1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: As anyone who's watched or listening to the program knows, 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,919 I become an absolute geek for healthcare. Always, always love 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,320 the pursuit of science, and I'm just endlessly fascinated with 4 00:00:12,359 --> 00:00:16,800 the change in healthcare, going back to healthcare, Stop making medicine, 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,280 go back to healthcare. I've been blessed to get to 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,719 know a guy who is the managing director of the 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,600 clinic I go to in Mexico, Renewed Healthcare, and I 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,519 wanted to check in with Steve. We've had a ton 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,240 of podcast family members head down there. I wanted to 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:33,920 check with them. We're going to talk with some of them. 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,119 You'll see some footage from some of them. And I 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,359 wanted to get an update from him on the clinic. 13 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:40,880 But also I just wanted to talk about what got 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,479 into the head of a mathematician and entrepreneur to say, Okay, 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,719 I'm going to leave what I'm doing and go start 16 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:50,520 this business. We'll talk with Steve Anderson on The Todd 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,159 Herman Show. With the help of God Almighty. 18 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:05,359 big pharma technocrats AND's everywhere from the high mountains of 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:11,799 free America. Here's the Emerald City Exile God her Man. 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made, and these 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,439 are the times so which God has decided we shall live. 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,799 And they are fascinating times, particularly if you love the 24 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,640 actual application of scientific rigor. Steve Anderson's with us. Steve, 25 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:32,280 so good to see you again, Welcome back to the 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,120 Todd Herman Show. 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 3: God, great to be with you. As always wanted to 28 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:37,879 ask you. 29 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to meet with you, and we're 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,640 gonna have some of these doctors on laters. John Figler, 31 00:01:43,079 --> 00:01:47,040 as a legendary hematologist, been on every humatology board that matters. 32 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:51,319 Richard Jacobe, author of Sugar Crush, got to meet with 33 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:53,799 those guys. You and I talked in the lobby with 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,079 them for a couple of hours, and we all agreed 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,120 the American medical system is broken anyways. But you saw 36 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:04,200 this as an entrepreneur, So what did you see as 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,239 an entrepreneur but also as a mathematician and investor. 38 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:10,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know a lot of your listeners 39 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:13,199 probably know that about twelve years ago I got diagnosed 40 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:18,159 with an awful degenerative disease that had found itself to 41 00:02:18,199 --> 00:02:21,800 my lumbar area, and I was lucky enough to get 42 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,560 into a FDA approved stem cell trial in the United States. 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,280 And when I came out of the r and I 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,400 met with the surgeon who had done the procedure, which 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,520 today we would consider to be incredibly old technology. But 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,800 he said, you know, next time, because there is the 47 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,439 next time for me. I'm just in remission and there'll 48 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:45,120 be an X time. And when that next time happens, 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,960 he said, let's do this in my office in Dubai. 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,400 And I questioned him about it over you know, about 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,120 an hour recepter and talked with each other, and I 52 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:54,240 found out that we could use donor cells outside the 53 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:57,360 United States, but not inside the United States. And that 54 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:01,520 really really was difficult for me to understand because at 55 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,840 that time I really thought that nobody outside the US 56 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,960 and Canada knew anything about healthcare. Only the people inside 57 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,879 the states, in the provinces in Canada knew anything about healthcare. 58 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:14,960 And then how could that possibly be true? And that 59 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:19,800 led me, honest, as you know, well, a journey that 60 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,680 led me to longevity and to really see the real 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:29,280 underbelly of the US healthcare system and how corrupt and unfortunately, 62 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,080 how not very helpful it is to patients these days. 63 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:36,159 Speaker 1: And it is, and there's so many causes when visiting 64 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:38,240 with your friends and some of the people who now 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,319 they're actually getting treatment. 66 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: And that was huge to me. 67 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,879 Speaker 1: That you got guys like doctor Figler going down to 68 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:46,000 get treatment and people like Richard Jakobe down there. And 69 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:48,360 I mean, these people know what they're doing with bodies. 70 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:51,719 They're pretty renowned physicians. There's a lot we've done to 71 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:54,120 beat our bodies up. I want to talk about that inflammation. 72 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,759 Some of the things they talked about were sugar and 73 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,159 the effects sugar have baking you from the inside out 74 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:02,039 and such an education. Talk to me about the math, 75 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,560 and this is what I mean is you guys have 76 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:08,080 had to do this out of a separate country, Mexico, 77 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,520 and you've do it in a very nice place, port 78 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,560 of Arta. But mathematically you're talking about infrastructure and movement 79 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,079 of people down there and investing in things like making 80 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:21,040 your own oxygen and having this huge hyperbaric chamber. And 81 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,600 yet you don't go out and charge people through the 82 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,920 roof for this. I mean, the treatments you'd get there 83 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:30,959 are comparable to not even comparable to they're less that 84 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,240 you would pay for a year of some drugs, less 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,319 than you'd pay for half a year or some drugs. 86 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:38,759 So the math works in your favor, I guess. But 87 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,279 what did you see as a mathematician? 88 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: Well, I think well, first of all, it was a 89 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,199 forced right, right, you couldn't do it inside the so 90 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,639 we had we had to pick a jurisdiction. We looked 91 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,920 at a bunch the Bahamas, you know, Panama, Columbia, we 92 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:59,079 looked at, you know, all kinds of jurisdictions. Mexico had 93 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,040 some good regulatory infrastructure in place that we thought would 94 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:06,199 be would be great. Again, we're we're running towards that 95 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,879 regulatory infrastructure. We want the regulators watching us and looking 96 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,079 at us. We're not doing anything anybody can't watch, so 97 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,079 we're not running from them in any way. And Mexico 98 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,920 had some good regulatory environment and it was pretty close. 99 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:20,279 I mean, if you're gonna have to leave the States 100 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,560 to get treated, you know, we're a two hour flight 101 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,360 from Phoenix. There's forty eight non stops a day from 102 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,839 North America to porta Orta, and it's beautiful and we 103 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,439 really latched onto as you know, this idea of a location. 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,000 You know, people can come down, we get treated, and 105 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,959 they can enjoy you know, a beach vacation as as 106 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,279 they go along. So, but you're right, it's it's uh, 107 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:50,639 it's it is difficult. You know, we're not asking people 108 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,560 to jump in their car and drive an hour across 109 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,199 town and be treated and then drive back to their home. 110 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:58,519 You know, we're asking them to get a passports in 111 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:01,079 some cases, get on a plane, come see us, and 112 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:07,040 really invest in their health versus you know what they've 113 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,560 been doing. Right, We all traded our to generate wealth. 114 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:13,519 Once we finally do get a little wealth, we're willing 115 00:06:13,519 --> 00:06:15,199 to make that trade back the other way as we 116 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,800 get older, and so we're just trying to help accommodate that. 117 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: Yep, well said. And we'll continue to chat with this 118 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,160 a second. You gave me some discussion. I know we 119 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:25,639 can't use names, but a patient you saw that had 120 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,279 a catastrophic thing happened. There's those the patients you've met 121 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,800 that are family members of this podcast. I want to 122 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,480 go through and talk about some of these successes you've 123 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:36,160 seen because you get giddy, dude. I've been to dinner 124 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:38,680 with you and a bunch of times on your check, 125 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,959 and I said, next time I'm buying. So of course 126 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:43,800 I'm I'm not coming down for a little while. No, 127 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,199 next time I'm buying. 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But there 167 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:42,279 was a woman who had a really bad thing happened 168 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:44,720 to her, and effectively, you guys stepped in because the 169 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:48,480 US healthcare system wouldn't step in, couldn't, wouldn't do. 170 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,039 Speaker 4: What was necessary. Can you talk a little about this 171 00:08:51,159 --> 00:08:52,879 lady who got slammed by a. 172 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: Car novel case. We became aware of it about a 173 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,679 week and a half ago, and she actually is a 174 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,440 girlfriend of a friend of mine that I hadn't seen 175 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,360 for several months. And fifty five year old female was 176 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:11,960 crossing an intersection early in the morning. Car blew a 177 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,200 red light and ran her down at fifty miles an hour. 178 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,519 They estimate by the tracks of the of the skin 179 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,960 marks broke seventeen bones, had a tv I or traumatic 180 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,240 brain injury, laid in the median for about thirty minutes. 181 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:33,039 Finally had a Mexican National stop and had a landscape 182 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:35,279 truck and got out and went over to the media 183 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,200 and held her for about twenty minutes till the EMS arrived. 184 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,879 It's an awful story, but has since that was in February. 185 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:45,879 Really worked hard to get in the US healthcare system 186 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:47,559 and try to find somebody to help her figure out 187 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,120 what was happening. Lots of imaging done, nobody really could 188 00:09:51,159 --> 00:09:54,679 figure it out. She continued from a cognitive perspective to 189 00:09:55,399 --> 00:10:00,240 really slide in a real negative way, and so when 190 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:01,600 I became aware of it, I said, hey, you guys 191 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:03,960 got to come and we'll get you in front of specialists. 192 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,360 So in the first three days she saw six specialists, 193 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,120 including a really top flight neurologist, doctor Gas, who's really 194 00:10:12,159 --> 00:10:15,600 a skilled young man who's on our staff. And we 195 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:19,080 did three MRIs and he said, this is not complicated. 196 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,960 He said, she is leaking spinal fluid from right around 197 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,480 that L five S one area and then it was 198 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:34,159 included up near in the top of her circle. And 199 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,960 he said, hey, we gotta we got to go in 200 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:38,559 and we got to plug these holes. This pressure is 201 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,840 not going to come down in the brain and so 202 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,840 losing her sight, lots of really negative things happening, losing 203 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,799 kind of spatial awareness as to where she is. And 204 00:10:47,919 --> 00:10:52,080 so we went in. Let's see, would have been Monday 205 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:56,240 morning or no, I'm sorry, it would have been a 206 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,360 Friday morning. We went in and she was supposed to 207 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:04,039 be the know r three hours. At eight hours and 208 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,960 twenty minutes, he texted me and said that they just finished. 209 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,440 So it was a very difficult case. Is based on 210 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:15,039 the architectural structure of her but plugged the holes. She 211 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,279 spent one night in the hospital. She came back to 212 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,960 her hotel on Saturday afternoon. I'm really pleased, yeah, that 213 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,480 she's only by God's grace is she is recovering and 214 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:30,320 the headaches have gone away, that we're debilitating, and the 215 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:33,360 cognitive gap is closing. She started to get some spatial 216 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,279 awareness back, and so really exciting stuff to be able 217 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,080 to help her. And then we'll be there, of course 218 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,720 to support her recovery as she goes home on Wednesday, 219 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,559 back to the US, and then she'll be back a 220 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,240 month later and be with us for about two or 221 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,000 three weeks as we help her. 222 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: This is one of the issues here as there are 223 00:11:53,159 --> 00:11:55,320 so many people who seek that help. 224 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 4: I can't tell you. 225 00:11:56,279 --> 00:11:57,879 Speaker 1: In our little tiny clinic on which I'm on the 226 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:01,480 nonprofit board, we have people show up who no other 227 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,120 doctor will listen, and they'll say things, for instance, after 228 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,960 I got the COVID injections and then the hands go 229 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,840 oh no, no, stop, wait, nope, nope, nope, nothing happened. 230 00:12:10,879 --> 00:12:16,240 You have forgot those injections. Nothing, nothing's wrong. Or you'll 231 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,159 get people coming in and saying I cannot feel my 232 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,759 right hand. I cannot, but there's nothing wrong with you. 233 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:26,759 There's nothing wrong, and they don't want to dig into this. 234 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:29,960 In this case, this lady had something catastrophic happen. You 235 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:33,080 guys have people coming down there who are being told 236 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:37,440 drugs surgery. In Richard Jacoby, this guy we'll talk to 237 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:40,879 eventually from wrote the book Sugar Crush, brilliant man. He 238 00:12:40,919 --> 00:12:44,480 has tracked inflammation from the body coming from this huge 239 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,799 amount of sugar about eighty pounds. I think them afaure 240 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:49,240 American needs refined sugar. Let's just refined sugar. It doesn't 241 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:52,039 count incidental sugars. They're being told, you know what, we've 242 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:54,480 got to scrape your tendons. And he used to do 243 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:56,600 that as a surgeon, right helping people. He was trained 244 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,919 to do this. You guys are attacking things that in 245 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,080 America either doctors won't touch or they will go and 246 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,519 say the only option is to open up your arms 247 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:12,120 scrape attendant. So like even neuropathy, these sort of diseases 248 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:15,159 that are annoying to some people but debilitating to others. 249 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,240 Talk about the difference in approach that you have with 250 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,480 the stem cells versus this scraping the way of tendons 251 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,480 for things like carpal ton or neuropathy and This is 252 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,919 the subtext of the question, Steve, is this stuff not 253 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:31,320 a looted up here because there's so much money made 254 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,399 scraping tendons versus what you guys do. 255 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, really, you've got to go back to the basis 256 00:13:38,039 --> 00:13:41,480 of the healthcare system, and you know, like everything else 257 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,639 is all the money, right, So the system is, unfortunately 258 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,399 is architected in the US for these physicians based on 259 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,320 the way that the financial model works, have to see 260 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,159 a lot of patients. The problem with that is that 261 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,159 these difficult cases get missed, get dropped, don't get it, 262 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,399 get the full inspection that they should. If you take 263 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,039 this this fifty five year old woman with a traumatic 264 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,320 brain injury, Nobody slowed down long enough to really understand 265 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,799 the case, to figure out what the problem really was, 266 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,559 even though they had the same images that we had. 267 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,480 Nobody ever, you know, said hey, I need to send 268 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,039 this to an interventional neurologist who can take a quick 269 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,200 look at these images with me, with our neurologists and say, hey, 270 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,039 what are you thinking here? They just they don't they 271 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,279 don't talk to each other. Everybody's in a silo in 272 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:40,399 the United States, and the financial model is just unfortunately 273 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:44,399 you know, in the US, the healthcare system just treat symptoms. 274 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,360 And we all know that, right, I mean, that's and 275 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:49,799 that's the part that shocking is even now patients know that. 276 00:14:50,279 --> 00:14:53,679 I mean, my gosh, if even when I have to 277 00:14:53,799 --> 00:14:56,399 enter the US healthcare system, which I do, I'm having 278 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,039 an issue with my kidney and and so I'm you know, 279 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,799 I've lived in Arizona and in Portboyana, and so I'm 280 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:04,799 trying to get with US doctors as well as like 281 00:15:04,879 --> 00:15:08,799 the doctors that we have in Mexico. And even I'm 282 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,000 on the inside of this system, I understand how it works, 283 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,600 and I am having a difficult time accessing and getting 284 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:18,799 somebody to pay attention long enough to help me. So 285 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:22,000 I think if you go back, I'm sorry. 286 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:22,519 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. 287 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:25,399 Speaker 1: You're a man with resources, and this is this speaks 288 00:15:25,399 --> 00:15:30,039 to the brokenness of the model. There are a lot 289 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,039 of people down at renew who shouldn't be alive. One 290 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,240 of them is Adam. Adam has brittle bones. He's supposed 291 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:40,600 to be dead, and he's been told multiple times he's 292 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,879 going to be dead. He's a guy that can break 293 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:45,799 his leg standing up from a chair, but he continues 294 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,080 to seek health so he swims and there's other things 295 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,039 he does. He does very very careful ketabout work and 296 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,200 body weight work. If you saw him, he'd never know 297 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,200 that he has this disease. Is a young guy. So 298 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,159 what has kept them going, Well, it's the exercise, it's 299 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,480 God's design and it's the stem cells God designed. He's 300 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,639 one of the doctors down there. So the stem cells 301 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:10,679 ethically gathered from umbilical cords and placentas only is something 302 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,720 he's infused with on a regular basis because it keeps 303 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:17,639 growing back body parts that shouldn't be growing back muscle, tendon, 304 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,759 cartilage that's not allowed here. And this economy is being 305 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:25,240 set up in the safest city in Mexico, Porto Iarta. 306 00:16:25,399 --> 00:16:27,399 There's dental clinics that do things down there they're not 307 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,080 allowed to do up here that you can go in 308 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,720 fifteen minutes get done work down there that would take 309 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,919 you two or three hours up here. I've experienced with 310 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:38,120 the umbilical cords and stem cells from placentas two times. 311 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:40,200 I'm taking a group of friends down there. It looks 312 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,879 like we're going to go end of March, four men, 313 00:16:43,039 --> 00:16:44,799 all of them going to take advantage of this see 314 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,399 if they can help you. Go to renew dot Healthcare. 315 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,159 It's our e n U E dot healthcare. Back pain, neuropathy, 316 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,480 being told you have to have shoulder surgery. That might 317 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:55,600 not be true. You might be able to be healed 318 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:58,600 without the surgery. That happens on a pretty regular basis. 319 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:01,480 It's renew Healthcare. Please tell them you're part of the 320 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:07,119 Todd Hermanshew family. You're a man with resources. You're in 321 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,799 not an insider, but you know the system so well. 322 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,039 And you were saying you go back to being of 323 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:15,000 the model. You follow the money, this model of stacking 324 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,240 these patients up, seeing as many as possible that can't 325 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:21,160 possibly be sustainable. So then they start limiting the amount 326 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,519 of time they spend with people so they do not 327 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:25,680 get to the core of the issue. Where what I've 328 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,599 seen with you guys is you are so careful with 329 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,960 the cat scans before you go get stem cells to 330 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,960 make sure there's no cancer growth. Nothing cancer is going 331 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,720 to cause you. The amount of time you spend with patients, 332 00:17:35,839 --> 00:17:41,319 I mean that model that math, and you still are 333 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,599 spending less than a year of certain meds. That blows 334 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:47,559 my mind, Steve, that you can do that and get 335 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:48,279 those results. 336 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, have he taken in the case that you presented, 337 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,640 which is a neuropathy case, right, I mean there's several 338 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,119 reasons for neuropathy, right, I mean that's the first thing 339 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,200 that we should say. Not every neuropathy is the same, 340 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,599 but let's just take out just a standard case. You know, 341 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,039 you're talking about roughly forty eight one hundred to five 342 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:15,400 thousand dollars to address that issue. And neuropathy is one 343 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,960 of those what we would call high efficacy treatments, meaning 344 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,119 that I know, for a lot of listeners that are 345 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,480 out there, I know I hear it every day from patients. 346 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,559 We treat a lot of neuropathy. You know, when you 347 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:29,960 get in bed, you take those covers across your toes 348 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,240 and it feels like somebody's jam on a knife in 349 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:36,119 your foot. Yep. I know it seems daunting, like there's 350 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,359 never going to be a fix to this. The drugs 351 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,599 aren't working, the therapies aren't working. But I'm telling you 352 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,000 there's relief out there. We see it every day with patients, 353 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:50,599 and you can given the right understanding of how you 354 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,200 got it, how it sustained itself, and how it presents itself. 355 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:59,119 It's a relatively easy one of these what we would 356 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,559 call low hanging rude opportunities for people to feel better, and. 357 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:04,599 Speaker 1: The low hanging fruit opportunity. I want to talk about 358 00:19:04,599 --> 00:19:07,000 this is this role of inflammation. This was what blew 359 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:10,559 my mind is hearing John Figler, who comes at this 360 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:11,599 as a hematologist. 361 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 4: He's a blood doctor. He sees everything, blood goes everywhere. 362 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: In the nineteen seventies, I think he was involved in 363 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,200 the first ever stem cells transplant. He comes at this 364 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,880 from a h hematology direction. The inner workings of the 365 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,599 body the most key thing. I mean, there's a reason 366 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,519 that we are washed in the blood of Christ. 367 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 4: Blood is life. 368 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,839 Speaker 1: Then you have a pediatrist, and that's misunderstanding. People say 369 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:34,400 a foot doctor. 370 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:34,839 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 371 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: Also a guy who's one of the most specialized in. 372 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 4: Advanced nerve surgeons in the country. 373 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,559 Speaker 1: When I was down to Steve's clinic in Mexico, had 374 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:46,359 a conversation with two doctors down there, and doctor Figler 375 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,599 and I were talking before and after his treatment, and 376 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,720 doctor Jacoby and I got to talk on the van 377 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:53,400 and the way over. In fact, so did doctor Figler 378 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,240 and I in separate rides. I had breakfast with Richard 379 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,359 and talked about sugar. This is his expertise. Written a 380 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,880 book called Sugar Crush. He makes the case that with 381 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,400 the eighty to eighty five pounds of refined sugar that 382 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,839 Americans eat every year, with the help of our government, 383 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,839 by the way in the food pyramid, we are baking 384 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,759 our bodies from the inside out and in fact causing 385 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:18,680 a lot of these diseases with their tendons. Doctor Figler 386 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,480 talked about inflammation that he sees at a blood level 387 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:25,240 causing all sorts of mayhem within our bodies. We all 388 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:28,160 talked about the brokenness of the healthcare system. Steve, one 389 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,359 of the first things I noticed about the treatments I 390 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,240 got from you guys, and this was nuts. It still 391 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:35,359 blows my mind. I was down there, I think, nine 392 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,440 days after my last surgery, and I still hurt, my 393 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,480 arm still hurt. I saw the sling, I got the 394 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:45,160 stem cells in the hyperbaric chamber treatment. And in the 395 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,400 morning I woke up and I was rolling over and 396 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,440 I forgot which arm. 397 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: Was operated on. 398 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: So for just a second I had to stop in bed, 399 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,759 go wait, wait, wait, don't push off with a surgery arm. 400 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:56,200 And I had to wake up and go that's right, 401 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:58,440 right arm, right arm, because I had the left arm done. 402 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:01,480 Talk about the role of inflammation and how you see 403 00:21:01,519 --> 00:21:03,599 that help. And then let's bring into this some of 404 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,279 the cases you've had with some of our podcast family 405 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:08,200 members who've been down to see you and what you've 406 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,200 been able to do with them. And I know that 407 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,720 we're going to run some some videos of these little later, 408 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:14,400 but start start first of all that information that inflammation 409 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:15,799 front with the stem cells, do there? 410 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure? So the the Wharton's jelly derived so they're 411 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,839 technically called day zero Wharton's jelly derived and mazankomal stem 412 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,680 cells are the stem cells that we use. They come 413 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,119 from donors. They have been screened their their donors that 414 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,400 have not been vaccinated. That's a requirement. And they have 415 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:40,880 basically three properties that are associated with them, really four, 416 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,920 but the top three are they're in your body to 417 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:45,920 fight inflammation. That's why they're there. 418 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: Right. 419 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:48,279 Speaker 3: Remember when you were a kid and you fell down 420 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:51,279 and scraped your arm, two or three days later, it 421 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:53,599 was it was gone. You know, didn't it look like 422 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,920 nothing happened. That was that that was taking down the inflammation. 423 00:21:58,039 --> 00:22:01,039 And then the second the property is kind of regenitive 424 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,720 nature of it, so they assign themselves when they go 425 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:05,880 to the site of whatever that injury is. In your 426 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,839 particular case with your shoulder surgery, that they went and 427 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,920 they started to take that inflammation down that was caused 428 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,559 by the disruption or the manual fix in your shoulder 429 00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:21,240 where they're physically cutting and splicing together you know, the 430 00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:24,640 areas of your shoulder that were injured, and so that's 431 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,599 a huge red alarm. All the stem cells raised there. 432 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:31,680 Obviously we strategically position them with our orthopedic surgeon to 433 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,519 put them directly at the sight of the repair. First 434 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:38,039 thing it did was take that inflammation down. Inflammation and 435 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:42,000 pain our cohorts together. Right when you have inflammation, it hurt, 436 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,359 and so that's why you saw kind of a reduction 437 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,279 of the pain itself. And then over some period of 438 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:50,559 time generally kind of two to six months, you start 439 00:22:50,599 --> 00:22:53,440 to see this regenitive nature of it where they go 440 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:58,440 in and they start to really assign themselves as either 441 00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:01,680 cartilage cells or to sign themselves a soft tissue and 442 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,759 really start to repair those areas where in your case 443 00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:08,680 they put the fix together. They went in and cemented 444 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,359 that fix together. The great news is that the hyperbear 445 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:16,000 chamber is great and speeding up recovery. We do a 446 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,799 lot of what you did, which is called it's post 447 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,480 surgery recovery protocols, where people come down. We just had 448 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:31,039 another big podcaster like you, Nico Veraza, and we used 449 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,720 to be a professional ultra marathon or so they around 450 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,920 one hundred miles in a race in the desert or 451 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,640 whatever that is. And so same thing had his fifth 452 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,960 surgery to Deadman Clinic, came down about the same roughly 453 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,079 same timeframe as you. We again support it by injecting 454 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,920 it at the same time, and he's doing incredibly well, 455 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:54,279 just like you did. Right. You add that hyperbaric oxygen 456 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,400 to the which generates ATP in your system, and then 457 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:02,640 we do that with the stem cells and you're off 458 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,119 and running. 459 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the recovery has been and I've talked to 460 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,599 this in the program with the labor but it's been 461 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,680 it's world's apart. It was a little bit of a 462 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,400 different injury. My left shoulder completely blew up. This was 463 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,000 a surgery choice. They just want to be fair there. 464 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,079 But I had my push ups back in twelve weeks. 465 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,119 I had my pull ups back in twelve weeks. 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These 490 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:45,039 are from renew, these are healthcare, these people are podcast 491 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:48,240 family members, and we're going to show these now neonimal 492 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:50,880 run days, and I want you to see some of 493 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,880 the work they've done. 494 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 4: And then we come back Steve, I want. 495 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: To talk about what you would do if you wanted 496 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,000 to fix the US healthcare system, and you you're an American, 497 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,759 you live here, you've had the problems trying to access it, 498 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:04,880 what you would do for that. Take a look at 499 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,640 some of the work that he's done with some of 500 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,200 our podcast family members. 501 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 4: He brought he brought it up. 502 00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:14,599 Speaker 5: Well, my name is Brent Wyman, and we came down. 503 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:18,920 We found out about this place. This from a person 504 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,640 that I listened to on podcast, Todd Herman. 505 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: That's it. That's the like, No, that's everything, that's it. 506 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 5: That's it. 507 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 3: Wait, what did I just get? I just got the PRP. 508 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:33,319 I was it? 509 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:38,759 Speaker 1: That's the census too, the whole Well, that's it. 510 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 5: And he talks about it a lot, and I know 511 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,200 that he had been down here recently and he'd had 512 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,240 some work done on his shoulder and ankle, and he 513 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,880 raved about the results and how much faster he healed 514 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,880 than you know, traditional medicine in the US. And I 515 00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:01,480 have arthritis and and all colitis, and I was looking 516 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:03,839 for something and I tried a lot of medications and 517 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,640 had problems with the side effects of those medications. So 518 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,759 we thought, you know, we would give this an opportunity 519 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,640 to see, you know, if you don't work for us. 520 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,160 And you know, the care has been spectacular. I mean 521 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,599 from from the minute we got picked up at the 522 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,880 airport and everywhere in between, it's been first class all 523 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,200 the way. 524 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:28,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, we've had a really good experience. It's been great, 525 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,079 and you know it's just you know, you can come 526 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,759 down and relax and take a little vacation while you're 527 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:39,400 doing it, and you know, there's nothing more important than 528 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,200 your health and us being fifty five, you know, if 529 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,480 we're doing that now, it's it's going to improve. 530 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,279 Speaker 4: Our later age, you know. 531 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 6: So that was kind of like we could spend it 532 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,960 on you know, toys or things, but what a better 533 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,559 way than to spend it on your. 534 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: Health incredible, incredible, and the fact that people will respond 535 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,200 to me word of mouth sending people to Mexico. I 536 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,319 take that as a huge voticonfidence. 537 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 3: Steve. 538 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: It's a mind blower that people do that. I'm so 539 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,519 thankful for that. We talked with the doctors, Jacoby and Fiegler. 540 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,559 We talked about some of the fixes, and you know what, 541 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,559 they've made their own fixes. Both these guys now operate 542 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,599 outside the insurance roll up and they now do direct 543 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,599 patient care. What do you think is the key to 544 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,119 correcting healthcare in America? 545 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:51,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's relatively simple. You know, you've got 546 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,119 to fix the financial market. You know, the way in 547 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,920 which the model is built. This you know, this idea 548 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,920 that we're kind of pushing toward a single payer, which 549 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,440 we're hearing from from some folks and running for office, 550 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:12,680 is kind of the absolute worst case scenario, right if 551 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,559 private insurance goes away, you know, you go the way 552 00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:20,000 of Canada. For instance, about forty percent of the patients 553 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,039 that we treat come from Canada, primarily because in a 554 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:25,640 single pair system like they have, they can't get access. 555 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,920 It might take them to see a neurologist, could take 556 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:31,839 six or eight months. It could take four months to 557 00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:36,440 get an MRI. It's really a difficult structure. And so 558 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,079 for us, they can come down and they're absolutely shocked. 559 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,839 Tod They'll call and say, hey, how long will it 560 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,680 take us to get in? You know, do I need 561 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,720 to plan? You know, can I get an image and 562 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,880 you know I get an MRI or CT? And I said, well, 563 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:52,920 you could come tomorrow. We could get you a CEEC 564 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:58,079 tomorrow or an MRI tomorrow. And they're absolutely blown away 565 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,920 by this. They can't imagine how that's even physically possible 566 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,319 ye to do that. So I think that the fix 567 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640 is is that you've got to figure out how to 568 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:18,480 get physicians to stop focusing on treating symptoms and start 569 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:24,319 focusing on treating the core issue. Now, functional medicine physicians 570 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,559 have really made a lot of progress in that area. 571 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,599 But again, you know, functional medicine is one of those 572 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,880 things that falls outside of this kind of big pharma 573 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,960 funded you know, big pharma funds, medical schools, the FDA, 574 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,799 the NIH you know, it's as you well know, it's 575 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,400 a very very corrupt system where you you know, you 576 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,200 would say to yourself, there's conflicts of interest everywhere you 577 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,440 look in the system, you know, think about the they 578 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,759 hold what eight as I understand, eight out of ten 579 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,799 of the top spots on nightly TV selling a product 580 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,640 on TV that you can't directly buy from them on 581 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,480 TV you have to go through an intermediary or a physician. 582 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,599 I mean that is a clear attempt to control the 583 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,799 narrative of big media. I mean, you know, I can't 584 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,599 write bad things about people that pay my bills, and 585 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,920 I really think that's a conflict of conflict of interest. 586 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:31,000 There are several along the chain, but I don't think 587 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,000 until the amount of money the big pharma spends to 588 00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:38,720 fund medical schools, where if you look at the number 589 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,359 of courses that a physician has about how to write 590 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:49,160 prescriptions and how to versus nutritional classes, where you can 591 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,559 take this kind of big agriculture out of the system. 592 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:56,039 Speaker 1: And here's my thing, Steve, it is about the money. 593 00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,240 And here's where the money needs to go. It needs 594 00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:03,480 to go back into the hands of people. Corruption follows money. 595 00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:05,480 The love of money is the root of all evil. 596 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:08,400 The love of money. Now, my friend Zach Abraham, the 597 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,359 chief investments are borrowed capital management. He doesn't love money. 598 00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:15,039 He stewards it. What he loves is managing risk for people. 599 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:19,000 What he loves is seeing people enter into retirement with 600 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:23,559 a successful plan. And Zach has a unique way of 601 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,359 describing what a successful retirement means. It's not what some 602 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,319 other people would do. Other people will show you pictures 603 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:34,079 of beach vacations and two million dollar RVs and multiple homes, 604 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:35,839 and maybe that's what you want. 605 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 4: What is it what you could afford? 606 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: Zach engages in risk management by actively managing every single portfolio, 607 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,960 which can reduce risk and volatility. And he will look 608 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,799 at your accounts. They'll look at your equity and your home, 609 00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,799 your investment accounts, any sort of outstanding debts you have, 610 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,680 and he will tell you how exposed you are to 611 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,319 risk and how near you are to successful retirement. And 612 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:04,359 here's how Zach define success in retirement, knowing exactly how 613 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,079 much money you will have every month for the rest. 614 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 3: Of your life. 615 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,319 Speaker 1: And he'll look at these portfolios for free, no obligation. 616 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,440 Just call him an eight sixty six seven seven nine risk. 617 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:18,519 That's eight sixty six seven seven nine risk, or go 618 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,759 to Know your Risk radio dot com and he'll make 619 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,720 that happen for you well. Work Capital Managements and Investment 620 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,480 Advisor representative of Truk Financial LLC and sec Register Investment Advisor. 621 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,599 Investments involve risk and are not guaranteed. Past performance isn't 622 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:37,000 carentery future results Truck twenty four Dash three seven eight. 623 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,119 So I'm a big, big fan of this model of 624 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,720 it's not single payer, it is tax write offs for 625 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,960 using our money wisely. In regard to healthcare, there's an HSA. 626 00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,880 You know, you have the health spending accounts again, all 627 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,799 this stuff, But what about just a tax write off 628 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,680 for core healthcare needs, doctor visits, for wealth care, child visits, 629 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,839 fixing broken bones, core needs like this, graduating up into 630 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,880 when you have a real catastrophe, being able to choose 631 00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:11,039 a doctor based upon the fact that you know you're 632 00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,400 gonna get your money back on taxes. We're already giving 633 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,519 money to people who don't have enough income for this. 634 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 4: That's not going to stop Medicare, Medicaid that's there. 635 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: I would also take that money and apportion it to 636 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,360 the individual, because this is the studies that I've seen. 637 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,239 When you know you're paying the bill and the doctor 638 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,039 comes into the and you're in the hospital saying and 639 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:31,639 they bring you aspirin. You're going to say, wait a minute, 640 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,840 how much does the hospital aspirin cost? And this is 641 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,679 where the costs are so interesting. Oh, the hospital aspirin. 642 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 4: Is it's ten dollars per pill. Nope, I brought my own. 643 00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:42,159 I'll use my own. Thanks. 644 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: The studies show that when people are controlling their own money, 645 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,559 they ask questions like, wait a minute, am I paying 646 00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:49,920 for that sock you're putting on me. 647 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,599 Speaker 4: Truly, when I had my last surgery, they were putting 648 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:54,239 a nylon on my arm. I said, wait a minute, 649 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:54,840 am I paying. 650 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:55,159 Speaker 2: For that nylon? 651 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: I'll bring one next time. So if we were to 652 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,840 do that, I think that would be a monument shift. 653 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,840 And if there's an insurance model, let them compete, but 654 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,039 let the individual people actually shop for care. Last thing 655 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,159 is this, in direct patient care models they publish prices, 656 00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:13,039 which is to be legal. You couldn't publish the price 657 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,599 range of a surgery. Force them to do that. I think, Steve, 658 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:18,960 those are the big economic changes that could change healthcare 659 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,119 for the better in the United States. 660 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. You know, so in the 661 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,079 US system, you know, insurance is very difficult to get. 662 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:35,039 It's you know, it's expensive. Ye, and what I have 663 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:38,280 found in my understanding because I'm a little bit on 664 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,800 the inside, I understand how the system works. I understand 665 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,679 the difference between a hospital aspert and a regular aspirt. 666 00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:47,519 But if you just pay cash, it is surprising how 667 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:52,880 inexpensive so many ideas. See. Yes, it's telling me because 668 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,079 the first thing I say is can I have your 669 00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,280 insurance card? And even though I have insurance, I say no, No. 670 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,760 For this doctor's I want to pay cash, and it's 671 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,480 shocking how inexpensive it is in some cases to do that. 672 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:06,639 Or I want to get an MRI. Remember when MRIs 673 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,920 w fifteen one hundred and seventeen hundred dollars. Yeah, I 674 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,119 just sent one somebody to get a lumbar MRI here 675 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,679 in Phoenix to a big provider and it was two 676 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,480 hundred and fifty dollars. 677 00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: Cash, right right, they find out your cash. I did 678 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,760 the same thing for time's sake. When I was coming 679 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,400 down to see you and I got an MRI. I 680 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,719 needed to hurry it along, and before I couldn't see 681 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,559 you couldn't help me with the left shoulder. You said 682 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:37,639 come down afterwards, but you couldn't help me prior and 683 00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:39,880 so when we were going through that, I needed to 684 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,440 hurry and get that done. And I went in and oh, 685 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,679 we'll need insurance approval. I said, no, I'll pay cash 686 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,079 and insurance. In Idaho it was nine hundred bucks. They 687 00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:51,519 came back to me one hundred and fifty bucks and oh, 688 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,239 if you're going to pay cash. If people understood this 689 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,519 more and understood that insurance is simply a big way 690 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,639 for big companies to make more money because they're all 691 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,159 in on this, and I think things would change. I'm 692 00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:04,880 so blessed to have you as a partner and a friend, 693 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,119 and I look forward to seeing you. I'm planning on 694 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,920 coming down sometime in November to see you guys and 695 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,440 hang out and get some more stuff done. And thank 696 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,320 you for the testimonis. Thank you for by the way, 697 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,280 thank you for you do this with everybody. It's not 698 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,119 because they're podcast family members, but thank you and James 699 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,559 and your whole team for spending time with human beings. Man, 700 00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:25,599 that's a big deal that you guys do that. Thank 701 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:27,559 you for treating our podcast family member so well. 702 00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, happy to do it. It's it's, as 703 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,480 you rightly point out, it is a labor of love. 704 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:37,559 It's you know, how do we help people get better 705 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,159 or the higher quality of life which is really important. 706 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 4: Yep, appreciate it. 707 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: Thank you, Steve God, Thank you for the miracle of 708 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,000 stem cells. Thank you for people who will wisely steward 709 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:49,960 the resources you've given them, including intelligence. This is the 710 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,800 Todd Herman Show. Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, 711 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,199 Please make every effort to walk in the light of Christ.