Speaker 1: And here we are.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming by.
Speaker 1: Hi, how are you happy?
Speaker 2: Monday? Today is the eighth day of September, year of
Our Lord twenty twenty five. My name is Tom Sullivan.
So I got a busy week, and we'll start off
with what are they going to do in Chicago? Yeah,
people in Chicago are wondering too what they're going to do.
We're talking about ice and what they're going to be doing.
We've got vaccines still in the news. The auto pen.
This is getting to be interesting about the auto pen.
This starting to look like nobody knows those who said
to use the auto pin. So we've got all of that.
Let's start with Let let's start with ice and the
fact that Chicago is just one of the city. Boston
is another one, Baltimore another one. So but the focus
seems to be on the presidents that he'll make a
decision within the next one or two days about what
to do about going into Chicago. And I guess the
first place to start would be with Tom Homan. The
borders are when what he wants to do? Uh and
and his ideas about Chicago.
Speaker 3: Illinois Governor PRIs chosenovo pipe from day one, Ice agents
have been flooding the zone in Chicago for a while now,
so he's aware of what's going on. He knows we've
been there. We were there last week, we're there the
week before. Now we know again we're going to send
additional resources to all sanctuary cities. But this isn't new
to him. He knows we've been there, and he's failed
to work with us. The Mary Johnson has failed to
work with us. And when you release a public safety
thread back into the public, it makes the community unsafe.
It makes us unsafe for our agents had to go
into a community and try to find somebody give us
a public safety threat, and the safety and security of
Accounty Jail makes it safer for everybody.
Speaker 2: It does. I couldn't agree with him more. And this
is I think the head scratcher out of all of
this is that ICE is the Immigration and Customs Enforcement
They're a police agency of federal law enforcement agency. They're
just the same. They have different missions, but they're just
the same as another federal one you might have heard of,
the FBI. The FBI has offices in Chicago, they have
them in all major cities around the country. DEA atf
all of these are federal law enforcement agencies. Is just
another one of them. You don't hear them screaming about
the FBI being in their cities. You don't hear them
screaming about ATF or deea drug enforcement or alcohol, tobacco firearms.
They've been around in these cities for a long long time.
So this has to be a political motivated stunt to
get people riled up about the fact that the federal
government is enforcing immigration laws just like the FBI enforces
federal laws. It's fascinating. Then the other part about this is,
and the Boston mayor has been repeating this a lot
about she's standing up for the citizens. But I'm going
what Tom Homan talked about was if your police department, Chicago, Boston, Baltimore,
if they have arrested somebody out on the streets, because
the police have reasonable grounds to believe they committed a crime,
and they're in your jail and they're not here legally,
why can't you call us up and we'll come over
to the jail, and in the confines and privacy of
the jail, we will take your handcuffs off and we'll
put ours on, and we'll take the person to a
detention center and then to deportation. It's a process that
would be seamless. There wouldn't be ICE agents chasing people
through home depot parking lots. It would be safer for everybody.
If they are already arrested by your police department and
they're in your jail. Why do you resist not letting
the ICE agents know that you have them and turn
them over to them. I'm sorry, it just seems to
be common sense to do that, but they're not. It's
a weird time that we're in. But there's also a
big difference between sending ice A agents in there. Like
Tom Holman said, they've already been in Chicago for a
couple of weeks. It is different between that and the
National Guard. The National Guard is part of the military.
There's a posse commatatis law which says it was passed
in the eighteen hundreds that you can't use the military
for civilian law enforcement on US soil. They can fight
wars on foreign soil, but not they can't fight American citizens.
Elie Honig, former sd and Y prosecutor, kind of lays
out the difference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a really important distinction here between federal
law enforcement agencies on the one hand, and all the
agencies I just named, ice, FBI, DEA would fall into
that bucket that with respect to those agencies, the Feds
can do essentially whatever they want separately. And this is
the Judge Briar decision. There's the question of deployment of
the National Guard. Now, what Judge Briar is ruling out
in California and Federal court said is you cannot use
the military, including the National Guard, to conduct civilian law
enforcement operations or really even to go out into the
field and provide support and perimeters for law enforcement operations.
So I think we certainly are going to see that
decision appeal that has been appealed up to the Ninth
Circuit Court of Appeals. But if and when Donald Trump
tries to send the National Guard into other cities, look
at some of those cities to point to Judge Briar's
ruling and saying there's very little that the National Guard
can do other than sort of passively protect federal assets.
Speaker 2: And that essentially is what the Guard did in Los Angeles.
They went and protected the federal building there and did
not go out with the LAPD to enforce laws. But
that was Elie Honey from earlier this morning. This afternoon,
we got ruling from the Supreme Court, and what the
Supreme Court said this afternoon was they loosened restrictions on
immigration raids in Los Angeles. We're not going now, we're
talking National Guard. This is about ICE going around LA
and chasing people down that are illegally here. So the
Supreme Court granted an emergency request by the Trump administration
to remove the limits with while the litigation continues. So
this isn't over. But ICE can go around LA doing
whatever they want to do. As LA pointed out, federal
police agencies don't have restrictions, but the Los Angeles tried
to restrict ICE. That'd be like restricting the FBI.
Speaker 1: So no, the.
Speaker 2: National Guard can only protect federal assets. They can't go
charging around doing law enforcement, but ICE certainly can. President
was asked about this earlier this morning, and Jeff Mason
from Reuters responded.
Speaker 5: Chicago is a very dangerous place, and we have a
governor that doesn't care about drive.
Speaker 1: I guess we.
Speaker 5: Could solve Chicago very quickly. But we're going to make
a decision as to where we go over the next day.
Speaker 2: Or two, okay, And Jeff Mason from Writers responded to that.
Speaker 6: Well, So then the question before that answer was do
you have plans for Chicago this week? And he was ambiguous,
And I think that has been kind of interesting to
watch the President go back and forth on whether he
wanted or when he plans to go into Chicago. He
said last week we're definitely going in that he pulled
back a little bit. The borders are, the immigrations are.
Mister Homan said over the weekend that it's going to happen.
So it's like they're kind of messing with people a
little bit. But as you know, you rightly said clearly
the plans are in place. But I think he's trying
to keep folks guessing a little bit, And I think
the politics of that are also clearly playing a role.
The fact that he brought up New Orleans last week
and is talking about now going into Republican states where
he thinks that they will be welcomed may show that
there is some legal wrangling going behind this, behind the.
Speaker 2: So to summarize, ICE can go wherever they want in
this country. They're a federal law enforcement agency. The National Guard, however,
is restricted unless a governor invites the National Guard in.
So at this point we'll see what they do in Chicago,
But it sounds like something's going to happen within the
next couple of days. If it's the just Ice, there's
nothing to worry about, nothing to do. And if it's
the National Guard that I'm sure the governor of Illinois
is probably going to run to the court. And speaking
of waiting, we're waiting to see what the President's going
to do about Russia. He says he talks to Putin
and he's going to talk to him again soon, and
all of that has been talked about over and over
and over. President said he's ready to hit Russia with
more sanctions. He'll speak to Vladimir Putin within the next
couple of days. There was a massive attack over the
weekend on Kiev, eight hundred drones and multiple missiles. I mean,
Vladimir Putin is not slowing down in any way, shape
or form. Scott Besn't, the Treasurer Secretary, had this to say.
Speaker 1: We are prepared to increase pressure in Russia, but we
need our European partners to follow us, because if the
US and the EU do this together. We are in
a race now between how long can the Ukrainian military
hold up versus how long can the Russian economy hold up?
And if the US and the EU can come in
to more sanctioned secondary tariffs on the countries that buy
Russian oil, the Russian economy will be in full collapse
and that will bring present putin to the table.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's great, And we keep talking about China is
buying Russian oil and India is buying Russian oil, and
we've slap fifty percent tariffs on India, but we've done
next to nothing on China, and China is buying much
more oil from Russia than India is. In fact, India
is complaining saying, how come you're being so tough on us,
what about China? So there's that question. The other problem
that nobody seems to be talking about. You know who
else is buying Russian oil. European countries are NATO friends,
our allies, They are buying oil from Russia. So we've
got to stop everybody, or slow down everybody from buying
Russian oil, and the Russian economy will collapse. That is
not exactly the same, but it's in the same paragraph
as what Ronald Reagan did to defeat the Soviet Union
without firing a bullet. He collapsed their economy over there
are one horse town. Russia only has oil to sell.
They don't have anything else. Reagan made sure that the
oil prices were so low that Russia Soviet Union collapsed.
And this is an opportunity for the European Union and
the European Union countries to get on board with stopping
funding the war against Ukraine. I can't believe it. Dan Hoffman,
former CIA station chief in Moscow response.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: President Trump rolled out the red carpet in Alaska. He's
offered Putin an off ramp and a commercial reset for
Russia with Europe and the United States, and Putin has
remained focused on his strategic objective of overthrowing the democratically
elected government of Ukraine and has increased the intensity of
Russia's barbaric strikes, missile and drone strikes on Ukrainian civilians.
So I think the question for the US government is
are the secondary sanctions enough Given the fact that Russia
has now highly dependent upon China and India for the
export of their hydrocarbons. Would our secondary sanctions really destroy
Russia's economy? For the intelligence community in the United States,
what are Putin's plans and intentions, How would he respond
to those secondary sanctions? And should we increase the input
of military assistance to Ukraine so they can better defend
themselves and continue to make this war a loser for
Vladimir Putin? Well, I think President Trump saw the larger
the picture where he could potentially break the Russian dependency
on China, break that alliance, and bring Russia back into
the fold. There's always been a tension in Russia between
its relationship with Europe and with Asia. But I think
the best way to do that is to win this
war and protect Ukraine's independence, protect Europe from any further
Russian attacks, and make it clear to Russia's benefactors China,
North Korea and Iran that whole alliance this century's access
of dict hatterships is a loser for them. That's going
to put a lot of pressure on Vladimir Putin as
a leader, because it's going to show that he made
this horrific mistake to invade Ukraine. It's cost him a
million casualties Sweden and Finland are NATO members, and as
we've pointed out, his economy is suffering.
Speaker 2: Well before we were too far away from Scott Bessant.
I'm impressed by our Troasury secretary. He's a very successful
hedge fund manager, but he seems to be the adult
in the room when it comes to the cabinet officers.
But he obviously he's a big guy. He doesn't take
any guff off of anybody. I forget how long ago,
this was three or four months ago. He and Elon
Musk got into it a shoving match with each other,
and Musk is a big, tall guy himself, but Scott
Bessant did not any sounds so so poised and anyway,
he's he's not a pushover. So he got into it
with Elon Musk a number of months ago. And now
over the weekend there was a private dinner that was
attended by It looked pretty much like all of the
cabinet members were there. It wasn't a cabinet meeting, but
all the big names were Actually this wasn't over the way.
It was actually a reporter over the weekend, but this
took place last Wednesday. There's a new exclusive Georgetown club
called the Executive Branch, and it was attended by Scott Besson,
but he also ran into Bill POULTI Bill Poulty is
the guy Scott bessnt made his own money. Bill Poulty
is the grandson of the founder of Poulty Holmes, and
so he grew up with a lot of money and
his dad had a lot of money, and he had
a lot of money. He's in his thirties and he's
the head of the Federal Housing Finance Authority. He's the
guy that's running around finding mortgage fraud on Lisa Cook
at the Federal Reserve. And you know, he's going after
a bunch of Democrats. But apparently he also has been
bad mouthing. He's a backstabber apparently, and he's been backstabbing
Scott Besson. So Besson walked up to him and everybody
was doing wonderful polite chit chat, and Besson said, why
the f are you talking to the president about me?
Fu On Pault He's responded and he said I'm going
to punch Well, Besson told him, I'm going to punch
you in your effing face. So this scene was described
by a number of people who Paulty appeared stunned and
a tense encounter out of the whole thing. But he
told he turned to the manager of this executive club
and said, it's either me or him. You tell me
who's getting the f out of here? And he said
Paulty said to do what to talk and Beston said no,
I'm going to beat your behind in more flowery words.
So they Faulty and Besant are getting into it, and
what Besson's upset about is people talking behind his back
to the President. We'll see how this works out. But
I would think, because I've heard the President talk very
highly of Scott Besant before, that Beston's going to win
this one. We'll find out if all of a sudden
Paulty decides to go find another career. The vaccine debate
hasn't gone anywhere. It's still alive and well there are
people that are now. Doctor Marty McCarey was talking earlier
today about the fact that some vaccines are very worthy
and very good, but the whole list of childhood vaccines
is what they're reviewing. Here's a little bit from doctor McCarey.
Speaker 8: Look, vaccines save lives and any death from a vaccine
preventable illness is a tragedy, but at the same time
we need to tell people here vaccines are tried and
true that are truly amazing, and if there's one where
the evidence does not support giving it on the day
of birth, like hepatitis B, and somebody wants to modify
it a little bit, we should listen to parents and
families and say, you know what, if you're going to
use the Japanese vaccine schedule or the German vaccine schedule,
you're not a fugitive. I wish that hearing would have
been more productive. We're doing so much at healthing Human
Services to address childhood chronic diseases, so much stuff, and
instead they were focused on whether or not a twelve
year old girl needs a seventh COVID booster. We're doing
stuff with SNAP and rewriting the dietary guidelines and removing
petroleum based food dies and talking about ultra processed food.
We're doing so much stuff, and I wish it had
been more collaborative. We're putting that decision back with a
doctor and the child, or the doctor and the patient.
Speaker 1: That's really where it belongs.
Speaker 8: The government is not your doctor now Look, we believe
in vaccines, and the new members of that ACIP committee
at at the CDC, these are solid scientific believers in vaccines.
Martin Koldorf, one of Harvard's top vaccine epidemiologists. Coding meiseners
on the committee, a pediatric infectious diseases chief from Teft's
Children's Hospital. So, look, there are vaccines that are tried
and true. But if we're going to ask, hey, can
the hepatitis be vaccine be modifile a little bit, that's
a question that America is asked personally. Don't believe that
the evidence is solid to say the shot needs to
be given at birth. It's a sexually transmitted infection you're
trying to prevent. Kids are not sexually active until they're
of sexual age. So a lot of parents say, I'm
going to wait until they're ten or eleven or twelve.
And if the mom's HEPT be positive, that's different. But
these are he wants issues now. It's a totally different
issue from polio and measles and some of these other
shots that are tried and true and been around for
a long time. You know, we believe in vaccines, but
does that mean people need the antrax vaccine. No, it
was a disaster. It was taken off the market. One
of the roadaviruses disaster taken off the market. We've got
tried and true vaccines, and we got vaccines like the
COVID booster and young healthy people that we can ask
questions about.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just me, but I think doctor Marty McCarey
is a much better communicator than RFK Jr. It's not
as combative. He's informative. He explains things so that the
layman can understand it.
Speaker 1: I like him.
Speaker 2: The President was also asked about vaccines. Let's see what
he said. You have some vaccines that are so amazing.
At the polio vaccine I happen to think is amazing.
A lot of people think that COVID is amazing. I
think you have to be very careful.
Speaker 7: When you say that some people don't have to be vaccinated.
Like you have vaccines at work.
Speaker 1: They just pure and simple work.
Speaker 2: So Jeff Mason over at Reuter's points out the differences
between RFK Junior and the President.
Speaker 6: So there's some distance between President Trump and his Health
and Human Service as secretary on this. But what's interesting
politically and from a policy perspective is even though there's
a little bit of distance there, and what one White
House official told me was less passionate about the subject,
he's not putting any guardrails around Kennedy. He's not stepping
in and saying, actually, this is not what I want.
This is not the legacy that I want on health.
I remember asking a White House official last week for
a story I was working on, does he really even
want this? I had no doubt that he wants to
kind of take a sledgehammer to the academia and to
the law firms and the media. Does he really want
that for health as well? And this person said, he's
less passionate, but he trusts Kennedy. So there you go.
But it's clear from that particular quote he doesn't feel
the same way about all vaccines that Kennedy seen.
Speaker 2: So hopefully that is as clear as mud trying to
figure out what they're going to do about vaccines. In
any case, let's move on for now. More to come,
I'm sure, but the autopen is getting more and more attention.
Speaker 1: There was.
Speaker 2: The House Oversight Committee. James Comer's committee said his panel
is wrapping up the investigation into the use of the autopen,
But a new report has revealed some major concerns within
the former Biden administration itself. According to Axios, they say
new records reveal the President Biden's own administration raised concerns
about autopen use to grant thousands of pardons. This is
historic scandal with massive repercussions, according to James Comer. He
says that President Biden declined his age, carried out executive
actions without his approval, casting doubt on the legitimacy of
thousands of pardons and other executive actions. Who were the
people that were playing president? Even President Trump wants to
know that question.
Speaker 5: Well, I think the auto pendant is one of the
great scandals of our time.
Speaker 1: The Uto ben our was our president.
Speaker 5: Ought to put it in a different way, whoever operated
the auto ben was our president.
Speaker 2: It's not allowed.
Speaker 7: It's just not allowed.
Speaker 2: Remember, President Biden set a record for the number of pardons.
It was four thousand, four hundred plus pardons. And there
were emails they're finding now from people on the staff
to others on the staff asking about if President Biden
was even aware of some of the pardons that were
being dished out. There's Andy McCarthy weighing in on this, well, I.
Speaker 9: Think it's a profound scandal. I think President Trump is
right about that. And the reason I think that is
when former President Biden undertook to come out and defend himself,
what he basically did was, to my mind, convict himself,
because what he said was they had these broad categories
of people who he might get grant clemency to where
he was in on what the parameters would be, and
then he relied on underlings to fill in the names.
Speaker 7: Which is not the way presidents is supposed to grant pardons.
Speaker 9: I don't think it'll mean any of the pardons will
be retracted, but it's obviously a profound scandal, and it
goes to the question of whether we should have the
pardon power in the first place.
Speaker 2: Even Steve Scalise, who's the number two guy in the
House for the Republicans, doesn't like that.
Speaker 10: Biden went on TV and defendant and said, don't worry,
it was all these non violent offenders. It turned out
they found people who murdered people who were pardoned by
the auto pen. Biden didn't even know about that yet.
Speaker 2: It was yeah, they told us, nobody was violent, and
yet there were people that were pardoned that were convicted murderer.
So I don't know what they're gonna do about trying
to put a lock around the auto pen, but it
appears to be worse than anybody of what he thought.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: Another criminal making a bad name for criminals. This guy.
The crime happened in Charlotte. It was a month ago.
The video of it was just coming out, and that's
what's making it go viral today. There was a twenty
three year old young lady who was a Ukrainian refugee.
She came to this country for safety, to get away
from the war. She had a job in Charlotte, working
at a pizza parver and she got off work. It
was ten o'clock at night and they have a light
rail system in Charlotte. She got on the light rail system,
sat down in her chair, and right behind her his
video of all of this. Right behind her was a
guy with a white shirt and the hoodie, and he
started acting all nervous and he reaches down and you
can see he's pulling out a pocket knife that was
one of those that you unfold, and he just stood
up and just attacked her. Stabbed her internet three times,
she died, she passed out within thirty seconds, and that
was it. So now you take a look at the
guy and what happened to him. He's been he's got
a rap sheet of at least fourteen serious crimes, and
they just keep letting him out. Nothing happens to the guy.
Like I said, this thing's gone viral. So you put
in Google a Charlotte murder or Ukrainian refugee. Here's Ben
Dominich talking about the whole debate about crime, and it
goes back to the crime in cities and President Trump
trying to stop crime in Washington, DC, and now circling
back to the beginning of this episode of the podcast
about what they're going to do in Chicago, and some
people on the left are trying to defend criminals and
crime by saying you can't arrest your way out of
this criminal problem.
Speaker 11: Well, first off, I have to say that everything that
you hear when people say that you can't arrest your
way out of these problems flies in the face of
all the research that we have about the success, including
by the way in the past in New York City,
about the fact that what we see when we actually
start to arrest people for these crimes and have them
actually held for them, actually held to account for them,
as opposed to letting them go through these early release
processes as played out in North Carolina where you had
bail reduced all the way down to five hundred dollars
in this instance, sadly resulting in this man being out
on the street and doing this evil act. You can
actually arrest your way out of this problem. When it
comes to all of these different evidence that we have
that those level of crimes can lead to increasingly violent crimes.
We see this play out all across America. It's the
research that the Manhattan Institute in particular has done over
the years, and so for anyone to make that claim,
it flies in the face of the facts that we know.
And that's something that I think unfortunately for the Democratic Party,
they've so rapped themselves for years in this ideology that
they're not going to be able to get out of
it overnight. And I think that it is only smarter,
more honest Democrats, including by the way, DC Mayor Muriel Bowser,
who understand that they need all the help that they
can get when it comes to getting cities safe again.
Where was all this hesitancy when people jump to conclusions
based on police footage without getting the full body cam images,
Like I didn't hear anybody complaining about that on the
left or in the legacy media back during the Summer
of Love and everything around that, and so often when
we dig into those cases, and that's the kind of
thing that I think just exposes the hypocrisy. This is
not a situation where we should be complaining about knowing
the truth, even if the truth is hard and something
that we have to deal with in our communities. It's
just inconvenient for the left to have this treative out
there and have it provoked the kind of visceral response
that it does in any human being who sees this
tragic video. I just think that this is a scenario
where until the Democratic party in the left that is
in control in so many of these cities comes to
grips with the fact that they need help. They need
to put the people's interests first. They need to restore
public safety, and they shouldn't be upset if that comes
from a Republican or a Democrat administration. They should be
grateful for it. They should accept it and they should
view it as a benefit to their people, which is
what they ought to put first, as a priority, not
a political weapon.
Speaker 2: Just makes so much sense to me, so much sense.
Nobody's for crime, So why have the cities and the
mayors not crack down on crime they could wanted to.
They just have their priorities are they spend their money
on everything but police and the criminal justice system. Speaking
of that, today they started the jury selection in Florida.
This is the case of the guy who was laying
in wait to try to shoot Donald Trump on the
golf course. What's his name? Rouse is his name? And
the jury selection began today. The latest I got is
Ryan Routh is his name that they have. Apparently they
got four jurors selected today from twenty seven people. Twenty
people were excused. But this is a guy who wants
to represent himself, and they did the check to make
sure that he was mentally okay. This guy's being charged
with attempting to murder a presidential candidate and he's just
lost in his head. Andy McCarthy weighs in on this
idea of him thinking that he can represent himself better
in court.
Speaker 9: Well, it'll be an attempt to sow chaos. I'll have
to say attempt, because I would assume that if Routh
was not capable of forming coherent thoughts, he wouldn't be
on trial, and they would have had a legal finding
against his capacity to stand trial. You have a constitutional
right to represent yourself, but it doesn't change the rules
of the trial. So he will try to make it chaotic,
make it incoherent, make it very hard to proceed. The
judge will have to try to keep that reined in
while allowing him to represent themselves or himself, and the
Justice Department prosecutor is going to have to be very
professional and just play it by the book. Can sanction
him if he operates outside the rules. But presumably his
capacity to stand trial is something that should have been
litigated before the trial because that would have been a
defense to a charge of attempted murder. So we're now
at the point where the court has found that he's
capable of standing trial, he's capable of representing himself. The
lawyers are there to be consulted with and to do
things like if he decides to testify in his own behalf,
they can put the questions to him as he directs,
but their role in the case is really consultation. It's
not to actually defend him.
Speaker 11: As lawyers.
Speaker 2: Well, he has his rights, so we wish him good luck,
but I don't think he's going to get very far. Meantime, Monday,
on Wall Street, let's see what happened today. The market
was positive. The Dow was up one hundred and fourteen
to close a forty five five fourteen, the S and
P up thirteen, the NASDAK up ninety eight to all
green arrows there green arrows for gold up twenty four
dollars to thirty six seventy seven, and oil went up
half a buck sixty two dollars and some change for
a barrel of oil. Thank you for coming by today.
We're going to be back here again tomorrow. I hope
to see you them