WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.959 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.599 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:42.719 Dogmanencounters dot com forward Slash podcast. Tonight's guest was featured 6 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:46.079 on last Monday Night show. It took so long to 7 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:48.680 share all of his experiences, and he's had quite a 8 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:50.640 few that we didn't have enough time to go over 9 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.200 the questions I wanted to ask him, so I asked 10 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.040 him if he'd be interested in coming back for a 11 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:56.480 part to you where I could do a Q and 12 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:58.879 A with him, and luckily he agreed to do that, 13 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.879 so he's back to answer all of my questions. Of course, 14 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:06.959 I'm talking about Brian. Brian, thanks so much for coming back. 15 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:09.759 Absolutely no problem. 16 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.879 That's really appreciated. And Brian, for anyone who missed last 17 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.479 Monday Night show, please tell us about your experiences and 18 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:20.639 kind of a fly over a cliff Notes version of 19 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:22.199 those experiences. 20 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.840 Well, it happened in December of two thousand and five, 21 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:34.080 sometime after midnight, when I heard my dog acting strangely 22 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:39.520 outside and since this is a cliff Notes version, the 23 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:43.199 howling that I heard that caused him to act the 24 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:45.520 way he was was something that I'd never heard before. 25 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:51.319 In my first first episode with you, I commented how 26 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.759 it sounded like a Renaissance, how like a dog was 27 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:57.879 trapped in a barrel. So I wanted to go investigate. 28 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.000 I like animals, and I thought maybe I could help 29 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:03.120 this dog out if it was trapped. So I took 30 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:06.120 a spotlight and forty five with me, just in case, 31 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:10.280 you know, something was in case the dog was beyond help, 32 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:14.280 something was wrong. I walked about three hundred yards or 33 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:18.080 so to the north when I realized that the howling 34 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:23.439 that I was hearing was not coming from the culvert 35 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:25.759 that the towns were putting in. The town was putting in. 36 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.960 It was coming from the woods back behind the old 37 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:33.080 Mayor's house. So I looked at the forty five in 38 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:35.400 my hand, and I went home and grabbed a bigger rifle, 39 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.319 something with night vision at Gen one night vision, went 40 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.879 back across the went down the hill. As I said, 41 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:44.800 it was about three hundred, three hundred and fifty yards 42 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:48.319 from the house, and went down the hill, across the road, 43 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:54.599 acrossed the ditchline, walked back and as I was shining 44 00:03:54.639 --> 00:04:00.039 the spotlight. This thing started tearing and tearing through the 45 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.000 woods right towards me. Had no idea. I couldn't see 46 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.639 anything because the woods are still thick. And I dropped 47 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:12.159 the spotlight and slammed the boat shut the spirearm I 48 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:14.400 was using as an HK ninety one. The boats on 49 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.600 the side the boat release and when I slammed that 50 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:20.120 thing shut, there pretty stout and they make a lot 51 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:24.040 of noise. Whatever was running at me that I didn't 52 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.199 know what was running at me, it stopped when it 53 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:31.120 heard that sound. I bent down and I picked up 54 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:36.839 the spotlight and I started shining across the area where 55 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:40.680 I thought I could see what was coming through the woods. 56 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.600 And having hunted before and been outside many times at 57 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.000 night over the years, I was looking about four feet 58 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:53.279 off the ground. I swept from left to right, and 59 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.519 it went far enough right that I knew, okay, what 60 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:57.959 I was hearing wasn't there. So I started coming back 61 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:03.079 to the left. I shined up. For some reason, I thought, okay, 62 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:04.920 i'll look up the tree. You know, I didn't think 63 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:07.079 it was a raccoon, but hey, i'll look I shine, 64 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:11.160 and I shined up a little higher, and that's when 65 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:17.560 I hit it. I hit this thing that had for 66 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:21.199 the better, better way of putting it. They were red eyes, 67 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:29.240 and I'm looking at something that shouldn't exist. I'm looking 68 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:34.959 at this. At the time, I didn't know how else 69 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.480 to put it. Now I know to call it a 70 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:43.279 dog man. It's standing there. It's got its hands pushing 71 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.759 down on this limb and I say, hands not pause, 72 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:52.560 and it's looking at me. I could see it breathing. 73 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.160 I could see its chest heaving. It's breathing out, and 74 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:57.680 you can see the steam coming out of its mouth, 75 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.639 and it's staring at me, and I'm staring at it. 76 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.480 And it felt like it lasted forever, but in reality 77 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:11.839 was probably maybe fifteen twenty seconds. And then it turned 78 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:17.319 and ran, and it moved so fast. It ran, like 79 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.319 I said, probably between thirty and forty yards flat ground 80 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:24.560 through the woods, then uphill for another I don't know 81 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.399 a bit, and to it hit the main road. I 82 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:31.759 can hear the gravel that was loose that had been 83 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.079 put in up there, just kind of jar as it 84 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:40.720 hit it. I made my way home, spent the rest 85 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.120 of the night trying to determine what it is I 86 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:48.519 heard and had no idea I talked to you a 87 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.040 little bit about how about a month later that there 88 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:55.839 were tracks in the snow. We had a snowstorm and 89 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.839 my neighbor I asked him to come over. He's a 90 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.920 bit older than me. He'd never seen that. I had 91 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.839 met and talked with the man from the ODNR who 92 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:06.720 was a new guy out and I belonged to the 93 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:08.639 local gun club. So he came out and did some 94 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:12.199 talk there, and I got his card and I called 95 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.319 that number. He happened to be in the next town over, 96 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:17.279 and he came out and he took some pictures and 97 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.399 he said he'd never seen anything like that. He had 98 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.160 no idea what they could be from. They looked like 99 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:28.480 a dog's paw, but elongated much longer. So after everybody left, 100 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:30.920 I turned around and looked. While they were all standing 101 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:36.480 there were looking at these tracks, and they were the 102 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.600 ones that I initially saw, were standing like shoulder with 103 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:43.800 the part in the snow by the house, by the 104 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.199 skywalk going up to the house. And then as I looked, 105 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:52.160 you could see these tracks and they were they were 106 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.920 eight feet apart by pedal. It looked like it hopped 107 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:56.839 in the snow like one here. And then hopped to 108 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:58.879 the next one, and hopped to the next one till 109 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:02.199 it hit the railroad tracks. So after the guys left, 110 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:04.639 I went in the house and grabbed my rifle again 111 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.839 and my son he wanted to go with me, and 112 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:14.279 he used twelve at a time. He later became a marine, 113 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:18.319 so I'm pretty proud of him. Anyway, we hoofed it 114 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:24.120 down the railroad tracks, following this track or these tracks. Now. 115 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.839 When it snows and trains pass over the snow, there's 116 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:31.199 a build up of snow between the two sets of 117 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:34.879 railroad tracks, but in the track itself, where the railroad 118 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.440 ties are, the snow gets blown each side to the 119 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:41.039 rail But I could see a track here, in a 120 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.799 track there, because it was in the snow, in the gravel, 121 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:47.240 or sometimes i'd catch it just as it stepped down 122 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:51.960 the snow on the tie, and we walked for about 123 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.919 a mile. I tracked it and then just lost it. 124 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.120 And I don't know if it just popped off the 125 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:02.480 tracks into the woods, that would be my best guess, 126 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.759 but again, being able to hop so far, I didn't 127 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.440 even know where to start looking. We went back home 128 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:16.039 at the time the howling that we heard because my 129 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:18.679 then wife at the time had stepped out on the 130 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:22.200 back porch on the deck and she heard it. The 131 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:28.519 best way to describe that howl at the time was 132 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:34.600 the howl from the American War with in London when 133 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.559 it's on the moors. It had that kind of renaissance sound. 134 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:44.279 And now I found something that is almost identical, and 135 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:46.679 that was the sound that was heard up in Canada. 136 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:53.360 Somebody was outside their home. You see a car off 137 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:55.919 to the right and there was woods and stuff to 138 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.799 the front of them. And to my knowledge, i've checked 139 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:02.240 back there a few times. No one's been able to 140 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:08.159 identify this thing, and that's what it sounded like. So 141 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:17.440 we've had other encounters. My youngest son about a year ago, 142 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:20.759 he and I went fishing at the pond at the 143 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.240 gun club, and usually I take whenever I go outside, 144 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:27.240 I carry a gun. This time I didn't, and I 145 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:31.000 had my back to the the field and they had 146 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.519 a we have a windmill that goes down and it 147 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:36.279 pumps the air in the bottom of the pond. He 148 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:38.200 was standing over next to the dock and I had 149 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:40.639 my back to the field, and next thing I know, 150 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.480 he throws his fishing pole down and runs over to 151 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.399 sprints over and screaming, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, Did you 152 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:49.000 see it? Did you hear? Well? I had heard this sound. 153 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:55.840 It was just for a moment. It sounded guttural. But 154 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.000 I really wasn't. I was trying not to catch the line. 155 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.360 I was reeling in and I was fishing off the bottom. 156 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:05.080 I really didn't want to catch the line that runs 157 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:10.600 from the the windmill. Said. I said, no, buddy, I 158 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.240 didn't see it. And his eyes were just huge, and 159 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:14.600 it was a little pale. And he goes, Dad, it 160 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:17.000 was so fast and it was so big. He goes, 161 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:19.039 it was there, then it was there, then it was there, 162 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.039 and he goes in just a second and he goes, 163 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.600 it was like a giant dog. And he goes, it 164 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:26.759 was like running, but not on all fours all the time. 165 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:28.919 He said, like running bent over and it was just 166 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:34.639 running and it was so fast. Well, he told me 167 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:36.840 where it went in the There was an extra there's 168 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:41.240 a quite a wide fence row. He goes, that's where 169 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:44.679 it's superior at toward the corner there. So I went 170 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:48.840 over and I told him to stay over there. I mean, 171 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.919 it's what the gun clubs within walking distance. I think 172 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:53.559 we drove the car up there because we had our 173 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.320 fishing poles and stuff. And I told him just to 174 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:59.840 stay over there, and I went to the corner and 175 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.960 I got there. He told me that's where he saw 176 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.559 it go in. And you know how when you look 177 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.440 in and you see something for a moment, then it's gone. 178 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:11.480 That's what this was like. It was there and then 179 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:19.240 it was gone. I have no doubt that I actually 180 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:22.039 saw this thing again. And when he came and I 181 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:25.799 grilled him on this like an interrogation, because I asked him, 182 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.639 you know how, what did you see? How did you 183 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.000 see it? You know, really, what did it look like? 184 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:33.480 You know, where was it that when you first saw it? 185 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.120 What where did it move to when you saw it again? 186 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:39.919 How where did it stop? And I went over there 187 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:45.240 with him. I went over with him that multiple times 188 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:49.720 in the story. Number changed. I live in the same 189 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:53.960 town that we had our I had my first encounter, 190 00:12:55.240 --> 00:13:00.399 and I don't the first time that I saw it. 191 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.960 As much a time as I loved being outdoors and 192 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.240 spending time in the woods hiking and walking, I didn't 193 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:12.399 camp after the first encounter. I didn't go camping overnight 194 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:18.360 camping for six years. And we take hikes in the woods, 195 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:21.639 but I never never, even when I'm walking and it's dark, 196 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:28.480 I never go unarmed. Ever. It changes your perception of reality. 197 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.720 It changes your perception on everything. And there's nothing else 198 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:39.559 I can say, but it's it's something that shouldn't exist. 199 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.919 And now all the stories you've been told growing up, 200 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.320 there's no such thing as monsters. Well, I just saw one. 201 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:51.960 I saw something that shouldn't exist, and you know, now 202 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:59.639 what what else? What else could exist? So yeah, that's 203 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.639 kind of my kind of my recap there. VIC. 204 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.879 I think that whole idea, that whole question about what 205 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.320 else is out there after you see a dog man. 206 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:12.399 That's one of the questions that makes an experience like 207 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:14.919 that so hard to deal with. Can you think of 208 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:17.279 any other questions that have popped into your head as 209 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:20.919 a result of all these experiences? That's even harder to 210 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:21.480 deal with. 211 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:30.879 You know. I had mentioned in the last in the 212 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.799 first episode that I am dealing with a terminal diagnosis, 213 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:40.360 and I'm okay with that, but I you know, I 214 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.279 went to the not trying to lose track. I went 215 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.080 to the dog Man's imposium, the first one. That's the 216 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.039 first time I ever heard the word dog Man was 217 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:54.960 in Defiance in twenty sixteen, met some wonderful people, and 218 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.279 even before that, because we kind of touched on it 219 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:02.559 with you know, burial and death. I was involved in 220 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:04.840 an accident that should have killed me. There is no 221 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:08.120 way I should have survived. It was, as you have, 222 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:11.679 well put, a near death experience, and holding this in 223 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.360 the back of my mind all this time, I often 224 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:21.440 wondered if just perhaps perhaps these things or they can 225 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:27.279 pick up on, you know, maybe death and having survived 226 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:31.279 something I should not have, you know, having this near 227 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.360 death experience, maybe that's what drew it to me. This 228 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.759 is something that I've I've thought about many times, and 229 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:45.279 it's I have no no way to go from there 230 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:51.519 other than saying, perhaps, you know, that's something that maybe 231 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:53.679 maybe possible. I don't know. 232 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.279 Got to tell you, Brian, when it comes to NDEs 233 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:00.879 and dogmen eyewitnesses, it seems like there's something to it. 234 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:05.720 It really does. A lot of dogmen eyewitnesses have had NDEs, 235 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.600 and what that connection is, I'm not going to pretend 236 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.960 to know. That's anyone's guess, but yeah, it does seem 237 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:17.000 like there's definitely some there there. It really does. When 238 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.440 you were outside with your dog wolf the night of 239 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.080 that eerie hal rang out. How do you respond? 240 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:29.360 He was trying and he's a wolf malonw hybrid. He 241 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.759 was a very big dog. He was on and he 242 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:35.720 loved being outside. He loved being in the snow. That 243 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:39.879 was just his thing. And that's what woke me up 244 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:42.480 was he was snapping the end of his chain and 245 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.679 when I went out, his hack was were up on 246 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:46.879 the back of his you know, the hair on the 247 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.679 back of his neck. His headed back all sticking up. 248 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:53.320 He had his head down, his tail down. It wasn't 249 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:55.200 between his leg, but it was down, and he was 250 00:16:55.720 --> 00:17:00.399 in a I don't want to say an aggressive stands, 251 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.039 but pretty much. He didn't know what to think of this. 252 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:06.359 He wasn't barking. He was pacing. He was pacing back 253 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:06.920 and forth. 254 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:09.599 He didn't frighten easily, did he. 255 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:14.200 No, he did not. He did not frighten. He first 256 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.759 time I'd ever seen him like that. We have coyotes, 257 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.720 and you know, there have been bear in the area. 258 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:27.119 I I caught pictures of a mountain lion that roamed 259 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:29.640 through the area and I tracked it for about a month, 260 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:33.920 maybe a little more so. It disappeared southeast of here. 261 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.559 That's when I lost its track and it was out 262 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.359 in the field. I had it on my flur and 263 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:44.359 so I mean, these things were not uncommon. But he 264 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:45.839 didn't frighten easily. 265 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:50.240 I say, must not. You felt like your forty five 266 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:52.960 was too small to get the job done after hearing that, 267 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.799 how you said, But after you got out that h 268 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.839 K ninety one, did you feel like it was big 269 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:02.400 enough to actually pretend you? Or did he still feel undergun? 270 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:06.960 You know, I didn't even have time to think about it. 271 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:09.880 I don't know that, you know. I go back and 272 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:14.799 think of that now, and having learned what I have 273 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:22.480 from then until now, you know, having listened to other encounters, 274 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:26.680 having read as many books as I have, you know, 275 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.359 not knowing if it's a you know, is it a 276 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.279 it is a UH and only a spiritual creature? No, 277 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.039 because it was KRPOREO. I could see it breathing. I 278 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:37.920 could see the steam coming out of its mouth. Can 279 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:41.039 it be both? Perhaps? You know, I don't know that 280 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:44.160 the HK would have done it, I would like to 281 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.640 think so. I've heard stories of men shooting these things 282 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:54.279 with shotguns thirty odd sixes and to no avail, nothing happens, 283 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:58.960 They continue to move. So I don't I don't you 284 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:01.240 know now, I don't don't believe it would have done anything. 285 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:02.440 I don't think it would have been enough. 286 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.920 Yeah, probably wouldn't have been. What caliber is in h 287 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:08.119 K ninety one. 288 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:12.079 It's a three to zero eight seven point sixty two 289 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:16.240 by five to one. That's the military designation. Yeah. 290 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:17.880 If that's the case, I really doubt it would have 291 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:18.359 been enough. 292 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.160 Then I don't think so. 293 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:24.960 When you finally saw it standing there steering at you, 294 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.559 do you remember if its ears were standing upright or pinned. 295 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:32.279 No, they were upright. The only thing I could see 296 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:35.839 was about from a chest up and I could see 297 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:39.000 the hands and I do mean hands pushing down on 298 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:43.480 this limb on this this pine tree at about seven feet. 299 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:46.880 But I could see its head and it just like 300 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:51.559 a giant dogs. I commented the last time that there 301 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:53.640 was a TV show on the early eighties, and I 302 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.279 was wrong. It's not Jack Lance, it's Chuck Conners that 303 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:01.400 start in the show called Werewolf, and it it put 304 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:03.039 me in the mind of that thing's head. That's the 305 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.519 only thing I had to compare it to because you know, 306 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:08.759 you know, back in the day. It was Lone Chainey 307 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.319 that was the wolf man, and I never had and 308 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:15.559 silver bowled, but it was it was different than silver bullied. 309 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:18.720 Of course. Werewolf was about the closest thing I could 310 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:24.039 compare it to. And I they're not supposed to exist anyway, now, 311 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:28.079 these things aren't supposed to be real. But the ears were. 312 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.440 The ears were sticking straight up like a like a 313 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:35.200 like a German shepherds on the when they're ready to 314 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:39.079 do whatever they're going to do, when they're alert, their 315 00:20:39.079 --> 00:20:41.160 ears are sticking up. And that's this thing was ears 316 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.240 were sticking straight up. Yeah. 317 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:47.079 It was fully focused on you. It stared at you 318 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.720 for about twenty seconds. He has said. Did it ever 319 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.240 display any kind of emotion on its face? 320 00:20:54.519 --> 00:21:01.319 You know when it when it was looking at me, 321 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:08.880 I mean it was it was just I don't think 322 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:14.039 emotion other than its eyes. Its teeth were bared, you know, 323 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:16.720 had its mouth open a bit, of course, and they 324 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:21.359 looked formidable. Just the feeling that I got as a 325 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:25.119 stared at me was that it was it was evil 326 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:31.559 and it was sizing me up. But it why I 327 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:33.880 didn't do anything else other than turn and run. I 328 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.720 have no idea. I did not get a warm and 329 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:40.759 fuzzy feeling from it, that's for sure. And when it 330 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:43.240 stared at me, I all I could do was standard 331 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:47.440 and stare back, trying to figure out exactly what it 332 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:50.400 is I'm looking at and trying to understand how. 333 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:53.720 Well I think I can answer that question. It didn't 334 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.079 do anything else because it got what it wanted. They 335 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:58.920 could clearly see a guy that's response out of you, 336 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:02.480 that didn't more to find you, so it was happy. 337 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:08.359 Yeah. I often thought that perhaps when we see these 338 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:11.359 things and they don't attack, I often wondered if they 339 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:16.559 fed off of fear. You know, I didn't have a 340 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:20.720 chance to be afraid because it was too fast, you know, 341 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:25.599 trying to determine what it is, you know, was it 342 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:30.680 my adrenaline going oh yeah, But maybe that's what it 343 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.480 feeds off of, you know, that heightened sense that you're 344 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:41.240 in and you have this this this look of shock, 345 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:45.599 because that's what it was, and basically shocked because you're 346 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:50.880 seeing something that should not exist. And if I can 347 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:54.079 get people to understand that these things are real, that's 348 00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:58.359 all I want. Just to be careful. These things do exist. 349 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:02.000 And if you're going camping. That's great, that's fantastic. If 350 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:05.200 you're hunting, if you're hiking, just be aware because of 351 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:07.119 these things are real. 352 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:12.799 They sure are. It's unfortunate though. After it left, he 353 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:14.920 said that you went back home and told your wife. 354 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:18.240 Did you have any misgivings about telling her or were 355 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:19.359 you sure it was the right move. 356 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:22.680 I didn't tell her right away. I just told her. 357 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.880 She asked me if I had had seen anything, and 358 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:30.440 I told her, I said, I'm not exactly sure what 359 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.519 I saw. I went to bed and just I couldn't sleep. 360 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:36.440 I thought about it. I did tell her the next 361 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:41.240 day on what I saw, and her look was just 362 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.359 this blank stare. Because she was born and raised in 363 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:48.160 the city. She had never lived in the country, not 364 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.759 something she did, no familiarity with some of the animals 365 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.400 that we have out here, regardless, and it was just 366 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:03.519 this blank, dumbfounded look. When I told her, oh, I'm 367 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:09.599 sure it was yeah. You know, you're supposed to share 368 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:11.680 things with those that are close to you. I didn't 369 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:14.839 tell the kids, you know, they they all saw the 370 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:20.319 tracks that Saturday in January. They saw that. I didn't 371 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:25.759 tell them, you know that that of what happened that night, 372 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.880 you know, in December. I didn't tell them that, but 373 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:31.839 when they saw the tracks, I kind of had to 374 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:34.920 kind of had to spill the beans on what I 375 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:39.519 thought it was. Yeah, I really wasn't even sure. Other 376 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:42.079 than to tell them look like a werewolf. I had 377 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:44.880 no idea that it was, you know, this term dog man. 378 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:49.480 I'm sure the kids have plenty of questions, and understandably 379 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:53.119 so the morning went outside to let wolf out of 380 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:56.079 your garage and found those prints. Did you ever look 381 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.200 up onto the roof of your garage to see if 382 00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:59.680 it might have been up there as well? 383 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:02.759 No? 384 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:03.519 I did not. 385 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:06.880 I did not look up on the roof. My I 386 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:14.039 I'm just looking at these tracks. Bewildered would be probably 387 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:18.640 the best term thinking. You know, I'm looking at tracks 388 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:24.559 that are elongated dog prints every bit of six eight 389 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:28.400 inches long, and you know, and they were it was, 390 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:32.200 you know, when I was standing right next to the sidewalk, 391 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.440 and then as it hopped through and then up on 392 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:40.279 the railroad tracks. I never thought about the garage. You know, 393 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:43.880 they had walked back and forth like they knew he 394 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.640 was in the garage because of you know, we had 395 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:50.160 some snow come in. They were you know, the meteorologists 396 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.880 had predicted a foot of snow or more and blowing, 397 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:58.519 and we didn't get that much, probably about six inches maybe, 398 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.519 and there wasn't much. And a lot of the stuff 399 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.319 that was around the house was thin because of bushes 400 00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.039 and stuff that I had planted and hedges. But the 401 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.880