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Speaker 2: on last Monday Night show. It took so long to
Speaker 2: share all of his experiences, and he's had quite a
Speaker 2: few that we didn't have enough time to go over
Speaker 2: the questions I wanted to ask him, so I asked
Speaker 2: him if he'd be interested in coming back for a
Speaker 2: part to you where I could do a Q and
Speaker 2: A with him, and luckily he agreed to do that,
Speaker 2: so he's back to answer all of my questions. Of course,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Brian. Brian, thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 1: Absolutely no problem.
Speaker 2: That's really appreciated. And Brian, for anyone who missed last
Speaker 2: Monday Night show, please tell us about your experiences and
Speaker 2: kind of a fly over a cliff Notes version of
Speaker 2: those experiences.
Speaker 1: Well, it happened in December of two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: sometime after midnight, when I heard my dog acting strangely
Speaker 1: outside and since this is a cliff Notes version, the
Speaker 1: howling that I heard that caused him to act the
Speaker 1: way he was was something that I'd never heard before.
Speaker 1: In my first first episode with you, I commented how
Speaker 1: it sounded like a Renaissance, how like a dog was
Speaker 1: trapped in a barrel. So I wanted to go investigate.
Speaker 1: I like animals, and I thought maybe I could help
Speaker 1: this dog out if it was trapped. So I took
Speaker 1: a spotlight and forty five with me, just in case,
Speaker 1: you know, something was in case the dog was beyond help,
Speaker 1: something was wrong. I walked about three hundred yards or
Speaker 1: so to the north when I realized that the howling
Speaker 1: that I was hearing was not coming from the culvert
Speaker 1: that the towns were putting in. The town was putting in.
Speaker 1: It was coming from the woods back behind the old
Speaker 1: Mayor's house. So I looked at the forty five in
Speaker 1: my hand, and I went home and grabbed a bigger rifle,
Speaker 1: something with night vision at Gen one night vision, went
Speaker 1: back across the went down the hill. As I said,
Speaker 1: it was about three hundred, three hundred and fifty yards
Speaker 1: from the house, and went down the hill, across the road,
Speaker 1: acrossed the ditchline, walked back and as I was shining
Speaker 1: the spotlight. This thing started tearing and tearing through the
Speaker 1: woods right towards me. Had no idea. I couldn't see
Speaker 1: anything because the woods are still thick. And I dropped
Speaker 1: the spotlight and slammed the boat shut the spirearm I
Speaker 1: was using as an HK ninety one. The boats on
Speaker 1: the side the boat release and when I slammed that
Speaker 1: thing shut, there pretty stout and they make a lot
Speaker 1: of noise. Whatever was running at me that I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was running at me, it stopped when it
Speaker 1: heard that sound. I bent down and I picked up
Speaker 1: the spotlight and I started shining across the area where
Speaker 1: I thought I could see what was coming through the woods.
Speaker 1: And having hunted before and been outside many times at
Speaker 1: night over the years, I was looking about four feet
Speaker 1: off the ground. I swept from left to right, and
Speaker 1: it went far enough right that I knew, okay, what
Speaker 1: I was hearing wasn't there. So I started coming back
Speaker 1: to the left. I shined up. For some reason, I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: i'll look up the tree. You know, I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was a raccoon, but hey, i'll look I shine,
Speaker 1: and I shined up a little higher, and that's when
Speaker 1: I hit it. I hit this thing that had for
Speaker 1: the better, better way of putting it. They were red eyes,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at something that shouldn't exist. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this. At the time, I didn't know how else
Speaker 1: to put it. Now I know to call it a
Speaker 1: dog man. It's standing there. It's got its hands pushing
Speaker 1: down on this limb and I say, hands not pause,
Speaker 1: and it's looking at me. I could see it breathing.
Speaker 1: I could see its chest heaving. It's breathing out, and
Speaker 1: you can see the steam coming out of its mouth,
Speaker 1: and it's staring at me, and I'm staring at it.
Speaker 1: And it felt like it lasted forever, but in reality
Speaker 1: was probably maybe fifteen twenty seconds. And then it turned
Speaker 1: and ran, and it moved so fast. It ran, like
Speaker 1: I said, probably between thirty and forty yards flat ground
Speaker 1: through the woods, then uphill for another I don't know
Speaker 1: a bit, and to it hit the main road. I
Speaker 1: can hear the gravel that was loose that had been
Speaker 1: put in up there, just kind of jar as it
Speaker 1: hit it. I made my way home, spent the rest
Speaker 1: of the night trying to determine what it is I
Speaker 1: heard and had no idea I talked to you a
Speaker 1: little bit about how about a month later that there
Speaker 1: were tracks in the snow. We had a snowstorm and
Speaker 1: my neighbor I asked him to come over. He's a
Speaker 1: bit older than me. He'd never seen that. I had
Speaker 1: met and talked with the man from the ODNR who
Speaker 1: was a new guy out and I belonged to the
Speaker 1: local gun club. So he came out and did some
Speaker 1: talk there, and I got his card and I called
Speaker 1: that number. He happened to be in the next town over,
Speaker 1: and he came out and he took some pictures and
Speaker 1: he said he'd never seen anything like that. He had
Speaker 1: no idea what they could be from. They looked like
Speaker 1: a dog's paw, but elongated much longer. So after everybody left,
Speaker 1: I turned around and looked. While they were all standing
Speaker 1: there were looking at these tracks, and they were the
Speaker 1: ones that I initially saw, were standing like shoulder with
Speaker 1: the part in the snow by the house, by the
Speaker 1: skywalk going up to the house. And then as I looked,
Speaker 1: you could see these tracks and they were they were
Speaker 1: eight feet apart by pedal. It looked like it hopped
Speaker 1: in the snow like one here. And then hopped to
Speaker 1: the next one, and hopped to the next one till
Speaker 1: it hit the railroad tracks. So after the guys left,
Speaker 1: I went in the house and grabbed my rifle again
Speaker 1: and my son he wanted to go with me, and
Speaker 1: he used twelve at a time. He later became a marine,
Speaker 1: so I'm pretty proud of him. Anyway, we hoofed it
Speaker 1: down the railroad tracks, following this track or these tracks. Now.
Speaker 1: When it snows and trains pass over the snow, there's
Speaker 1: a build up of snow between the two sets of
Speaker 1: railroad tracks, but in the track itself, where the railroad
Speaker 1: ties are, the snow gets blown each side to the
Speaker 1: rail But I could see a track here, in a
Speaker 1: track there, because it was in the snow, in the gravel,
Speaker 1: or sometimes i'd catch it just as it stepped down
Speaker 1: the snow on the tie, and we walked for about
Speaker 1: a mile. I tracked it and then just lost it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it just popped off the
Speaker 1: tracks into the woods, that would be my best guess,
Speaker 1: but again, being able to hop so far, I didn't
Speaker 1: even know where to start looking. We went back home
Speaker 1: at the time the howling that we heard because my
Speaker 1: then wife at the time had stepped out on the
Speaker 1: back porch on the deck and she heard it. The
Speaker 1: best way to describe that howl at the time was
Speaker 1: the howl from the American War with in London when
Speaker 1: it's on the moors. It had that kind of renaissance sound.
Speaker 1: And now I found something that is almost identical, and
Speaker 1: that was the sound that was heard up in Canada.
Speaker 1: Somebody was outside their home. You see a car off
Speaker 1: to the right and there was woods and stuff to
Speaker 1: the front of them. And to my knowledge, i've checked
Speaker 1: back there a few times. No one's been able to
Speaker 1: identify this thing, and that's what it sounded like. So
Speaker 1: we've had other encounters. My youngest son about a year ago,
Speaker 1: he and I went fishing at the pond at the
Speaker 1: gun club, and usually I take whenever I go outside,
Speaker 1: I carry a gun. This time I didn't, and I
Speaker 1: had my back to the the field and they had
Speaker 1: a we have a windmill that goes down and it
Speaker 1: pumps the air in the bottom of the pond. He
Speaker 1: was standing over next to the dock and I had
Speaker 1: my back to the field, and next thing I know,
Speaker 1: he throws his fishing pole down and runs over to
Speaker 1: sprints over and screaming, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, Did you
Speaker 1: see it? Did you hear? Well? I had heard this sound.
Speaker 1: It was just for a moment. It sounded guttural. But
Speaker 1: I really wasn't. I was trying not to catch the line.
Speaker 1: I was reeling in and I was fishing off the bottom.
Speaker 1: I really didn't want to catch the line that runs
Speaker 1: from the the windmill. Said. I said, no, buddy, I
Speaker 1: didn't see it. And his eyes were just huge, and
Speaker 1: it was a little pale. And he goes, Dad, it
Speaker 1: was so fast and it was so big. He goes,
Speaker 1: it was there, then it was there, then it was there,
Speaker 1: and he goes in just a second and he goes,
Speaker 1: it was like a giant dog. And he goes, it
Speaker 1: was like running, but not on all fours all the time.
Speaker 1: He said, like running bent over and it was just
Speaker 1: running and it was so fast. Well, he told me
Speaker 1: where it went in the There was an extra there's
Speaker 1: a quite a wide fence row. He goes, that's where
Speaker 1: it's superior at toward the corner there. So I went
Speaker 1: over and I told him to stay over there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's what the gun clubs within walking distance. I think
Speaker 1: we drove the car up there because we had our
Speaker 1: fishing poles and stuff. And I told him just to
Speaker 1: stay over there, and I went to the corner and
Speaker 1: I got there. He told me that's where he saw
Speaker 1: it go in. And you know how when you look
Speaker 1: in and you see something for a moment, then it's gone.
Speaker 1: That's what this was like. It was there and then
Speaker 1: it was gone. I have no doubt that I actually
Speaker 1: saw this thing again. And when he came and I
Speaker 1: grilled him on this like an interrogation, because I asked him,
Speaker 1: you know how, what did you see? How did you
Speaker 1: see it? You know, really, what did it look like?
Speaker 1: You know, where was it that when you first saw it?
Speaker 1: What where did it move to when you saw it again?
Speaker 1: How where did it stop? And I went over there
Speaker 1: with him. I went over with him that multiple times
Speaker 1: in the story. Number changed. I live in the same
Speaker 1: town that we had our I had my first encounter,
Speaker 1: and I don't the first time that I saw it.
Speaker 1: As much a time as I loved being outdoors and
Speaker 1: spending time in the woods hiking and walking, I didn't
Speaker 1: camp after the first encounter. I didn't go camping overnight
Speaker 1: camping for six years. And we take hikes in the woods,
Speaker 1: but I never never, even when I'm walking and it's dark,
Speaker 1: I never go unarmed. Ever. It changes your perception of reality.
Speaker 1: It changes your perception on everything. And there's nothing else
Speaker 1: I can say, but it's it's something that shouldn't exist.
Speaker 1: And now all the stories you've been told growing up,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as monsters. Well, I just saw one.
Speaker 1: I saw something that shouldn't exist, and you know, now
Speaker 1: what what else? What else could exist? So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: kind of my kind of my recap there. VIC.
Speaker 2: I think that whole idea, that whole question about what
Speaker 2: else is out there after you see a dog man.
Speaker 2: That's one of the questions that makes an experience like
Speaker 2: that so hard to deal with. Can you think of
Speaker 2: any other questions that have popped into your head as
Speaker 2: a result of all these experiences? That's even harder to
Speaker 2: deal with.
Speaker 1: You know. I had mentioned in the last in the
Speaker 1: first episode that I am dealing with a terminal diagnosis,
Speaker 1: and I'm okay with that, but I you know, I
Speaker 1: went to the not trying to lose track. I went
Speaker 1: to the dog Man's imposium, the first one. That's the
Speaker 1: first time I ever heard the word dog Man was
Speaker 1: in Defiance in twenty sixteen, met some wonderful people, and
Speaker 1: even before that, because we kind of touched on it
Speaker 1: with you know, burial and death. I was involved in
Speaker 1: an accident that should have killed me. There is no
Speaker 1: way I should have survived. It was, as you have,
Speaker 1: well put, a near death experience, and holding this in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind all this time, I often
Speaker 1: wondered if just perhaps perhaps these things or they can
Speaker 1: pick up on, you know, maybe death and having survived
Speaker 1: something I should not have, you know, having this near
Speaker 1: death experience, maybe that's what drew it to me. This
Speaker 1: is something that I've I've thought about many times, and
Speaker 1: it's I have no no way to go from there
Speaker 1: other than saying, perhaps, you know, that's something that maybe
Speaker 1: maybe possible. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Got to tell you, Brian, when it comes to NDEs
Speaker 2: and dogmen eyewitnesses, it seems like there's something to it.
Speaker 2: It really does. A lot of dogmen eyewitnesses have had NDEs,
Speaker 2: and what that connection is, I'm not going to pretend
Speaker 2: to know. That's anyone's guess, but yeah, it does seem
Speaker 2: like there's definitely some there there. It really does. When
Speaker 2: you were outside with your dog wolf the night of
Speaker 2: that eerie hal rang out. How do you respond?
Speaker 1: He was trying and he's a wolf malonw hybrid. He
Speaker 1: was a very big dog. He was on and he
Speaker 1: loved being outside. He loved being in the snow. That
Speaker 1: was just his thing. And that's what woke me up
Speaker 1: was he was snapping the end of his chain and
Speaker 1: when I went out, his hack was were up on
Speaker 1: the back of his you know, the hair on the
Speaker 1: back of his neck. His headed back all sticking up.
Speaker 1: He had his head down, his tail down. It wasn't
Speaker 1: between his leg, but it was down, and he was
Speaker 1: in a I don't want to say an aggressive stands,
Speaker 1: but pretty much. He didn't know what to think of this.
Speaker 1: He wasn't barking. He was pacing. He was pacing back
Speaker 1: and forth.
Speaker 2: He didn't frighten easily, did he.
Speaker 1: No, he did not. He did not frighten. He first
Speaker 1: time I'd ever seen him like that. We have coyotes,
Speaker 1: and you know, there have been bear in the area.
Speaker 1: I I caught pictures of a mountain lion that roamed
Speaker 1: through the area and I tracked it for about a month,
Speaker 1: maybe a little more so. It disappeared southeast of here.
Speaker 1: That's when I lost its track and it was out
Speaker 1: in the field. I had it on my flur and
Speaker 1: so I mean, these things were not uncommon. But he
Speaker 1: didn't frighten easily.
Speaker 2: I say, must not. You felt like your forty five
Speaker 2: was too small to get the job done after hearing that,
Speaker 2: how you said, But after you got out that h
Speaker 2: K ninety one, did you feel like it was big
Speaker 2: enough to actually pretend you? Or did he still feel undergun?
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't even have time to think about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know that, you know. I go back and
Speaker 1: think of that now, and having learned what I have
Speaker 1: from then until now, you know, having listened to other encounters,
Speaker 1: having read as many books as I have, you know,
Speaker 1: not knowing if it's a you know, is it a
Speaker 1: it is a UH and only a spiritual creature? No,
Speaker 1: because it was KRPOREO. I could see it breathing. I
Speaker 1: could see the steam coming out of its mouth. Can
Speaker 1: it be both? Perhaps? You know, I don't know that
Speaker 1: the HK would have done it, I would like to
Speaker 1: think so. I've heard stories of men shooting these things
Speaker 1: with shotguns thirty odd sixes and to no avail, nothing happens,
Speaker 1: They continue to move. So I don't I don't you
Speaker 1: know now, I don't don't believe it would have done anything.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have been enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably wouldn't have been. What caliber is in h
Speaker 2: K ninety one.
Speaker 1: It's a three to zero eight seven point sixty two
Speaker 1: by five to one. That's the military designation. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, I really doubt it would have
Speaker 2: been enough.
Speaker 1: Then I don't think so.
Speaker 2: When you finally saw it standing there steering at you,
Speaker 2: do you remember if its ears were standing upright or pinned.
Speaker 1: No, they were upright. The only thing I could see
Speaker 1: was about from a chest up and I could see
Speaker 1: the hands and I do mean hands pushing down on
Speaker 1: this limb on this this pine tree at about seven feet.
Speaker 1: But I could see its head and it just like
Speaker 1: a giant dogs. I commented the last time that there
Speaker 1: was a TV show on the early eighties, and I
Speaker 1: was wrong. It's not Jack Lance, it's Chuck Conners that
Speaker 1: start in the show called Werewolf, and it it put
Speaker 1: me in the mind of that thing's head. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing I had to compare it to because you know,
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day. It was Lone Chainey
Speaker 1: that was the wolf man, and I never had and
Speaker 1: silver bowled, but it was it was different than silver bullied.
Speaker 1: Of course. Werewolf was about the closest thing I could
Speaker 1: compare it to. And I they're not supposed to exist anyway, now,
Speaker 1: these things aren't supposed to be real. But the ears were.
Speaker 1: The ears were sticking straight up like a like a
Speaker 1: like a German shepherds on the when they're ready to
Speaker 1: do whatever they're going to do, when they're alert, their
Speaker 1: ears are sticking up. And that's this thing was ears
Speaker 1: were sticking straight up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was fully focused on you. It stared at you
Speaker 2: for about twenty seconds. He has said. Did it ever
Speaker 2: display any kind of emotion on its face?
Speaker 1: You know when it when it was looking at me,
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was just I don't think
Speaker 1: emotion other than its eyes. Its teeth were bared, you know,
Speaker 1: had its mouth open a bit, of course, and they
Speaker 1: looked formidable. Just the feeling that I got as a
Speaker 1: stared at me was that it was it was evil
Speaker 1: and it was sizing me up. But it why I
Speaker 1: didn't do anything else other than turn and run. I
Speaker 1: have no idea. I did not get a warm and
Speaker 1: fuzzy feeling from it, that's for sure. And when it
Speaker 1: stared at me, I all I could do was standard
Speaker 1: and stare back, trying to figure out exactly what it
Speaker 1: is I'm looking at and trying to understand how.
Speaker 2: Well I think I can answer that question. It didn't
Speaker 2: do anything else because it got what it wanted. They
Speaker 2: could clearly see a guy that's response out of you,
Speaker 2: that didn't more to find you, so it was happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I often thought that perhaps when we see these
Speaker 1: things and they don't attack, I often wondered if they
Speaker 1: fed off of fear. You know, I didn't have a
Speaker 1: chance to be afraid because it was too fast, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to determine what it is, you know, was it
Speaker 1: my adrenaline going oh yeah, But maybe that's what it
Speaker 1: feeds off of, you know, that heightened sense that you're
Speaker 1: in and you have this this this look of shock,
Speaker 1: because that's what it was, and basically shocked because you're
Speaker 1: seeing something that should not exist. And if I can
Speaker 1: get people to understand that these things are real, that's
Speaker 1: all I want. Just to be careful. These things do exist.
Speaker 1: And if you're going camping. That's great, that's fantastic. If
Speaker 1: you're hunting, if you're hiking, just be aware because of
Speaker 1: these things are real.
Speaker 2: They sure are. It's unfortunate though. After it left, he
Speaker 2: said that you went back home and told your wife.
Speaker 2: Did you have any misgivings about telling her or were
Speaker 2: you sure it was the right move.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell her right away. I just told her.
Speaker 1: She asked me if I had had seen anything, and
Speaker 1: I told her, I said, I'm not exactly sure what
Speaker 1: I saw. I went to bed and just I couldn't sleep.
Speaker 1: I thought about it. I did tell her the next
Speaker 1: day on what I saw, and her look was just
Speaker 1: this blank stare. Because she was born and raised in
Speaker 1: the city. She had never lived in the country, not
Speaker 1: something she did, no familiarity with some of the animals
Speaker 1: that we have out here, regardless, and it was just
Speaker 1: this blank, dumbfounded look. When I told her, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it was yeah. You know, you're supposed to share
Speaker 1: things with those that are close to you. I didn't
Speaker 1: tell the kids, you know, they they all saw the
Speaker 1: tracks that Saturday in January. They saw that. I didn't
Speaker 1: tell them, you know that that of what happened that night,
Speaker 1: you know, in December. I didn't tell them that, but
Speaker 1: when they saw the tracks, I kind of had to
Speaker 1: kind of had to spill the beans on what I
Speaker 1: thought it was. Yeah, I really wasn't even sure. Other
Speaker 1: than to tell them look like a werewolf. I had
Speaker 1: no idea that it was, you know, this term dog man.
Speaker 2: I'm sure the kids have plenty of questions, and understandably
Speaker 2: so the morning went outside to let wolf out of
Speaker 2: your garage and found those prints. Did you ever look
Speaker 2: up onto the roof of your garage to see if
Speaker 2: it might have been up there as well?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: I did not look up on the roof. My I
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at these tracks. Bewildered would be probably
Speaker 1: the best term thinking. You know, I'm looking at tracks
Speaker 1: that are elongated dog prints every bit of six eight
Speaker 1: inches long, and you know, and they were it was,
Speaker 1: you know, when I was standing right next to the sidewalk,
Speaker 1: and then as it hopped through and then up on
Speaker 1: the railroad tracks. I never thought about the garage. You know,
Speaker 1: they had walked back and forth like they knew he
Speaker 1: was in the garage because of you know, we had
Speaker 1: some snow come in. They were you know, the meteorologists
Speaker 1: had predicted a foot of snow or more and blowing,
Speaker 1: and we didn't get that much, probably about six inches maybe,
Speaker 1: and there wasn't much. And a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: that was around the house was thin because of bushes
Speaker 1: and stuff that I had planted and hedges. But the
Speaker 1: around the garage, the snow was all. That's what caught
Speaker 1: my attention at first, was the snow was all packed
Speaker 1: down from the whole side of the garage where the
Speaker 1: snow was, it was just all packed down and it
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been. And then when I took a step
Speaker 1: off the deck and started walking down the sidewalk and
Speaker 1: I saw the prints next to the sidewalk, That's what
Speaker 1: made me stop because I was just going to walk out.
Speaker 1: I was going to let him out. You know, he
Speaker 1: was in there at the Baylis Straw because they had
Speaker 1: predicted this big storm and heavy snow and heavy heavy
Speaker 1: wind gusts, and I just put him in there, and
Speaker 1: I put him in my loading shop and he was
Speaker 1: all hunkered down and fine. But you know, it took me.
Speaker 1: Took me an extra few minutes too, you know, as
Speaker 1: I'm looking at these tracks and then I went got
Speaker 1: him out, and I took him out so he could
Speaker 1: do his business, and I went and got my friend.
Speaker 1: Like I said, he was my neighbor, and he's he's
Speaker 1: an outdoorsman himself and a very good hunters. He's been
Speaker 1: around the he's been around a while, and he's had
Speaker 1: his own little you know, his hunting adventures, I should say.
Speaker 1: And he'd never seen anything like it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure he hadn't. No, No, it's not to
Speaker 2: say that it was up on that roof, but it's
Speaker 2: entirely possible because yeah, they're not above going up onto
Speaker 2: roofs or spending quite a bit of time up in trees. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, it's definitely a possibility.
Speaker 1: It could have been. I mean, I'm not gonna say no,
Speaker 1: because it very well could have been. I just didn't look.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's all right. Yeah, you can't be faulded for that.
Speaker 2: You didn't know when you and your neighbor walked the
Speaker 2: railroad tracks that day following the Prince. Did he seem
Speaker 2: to be spooked at the time or it seemed like
Speaker 2: he didn't realize the gravity of the situation you two
Speaker 2: were in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was me and my son that walked the tracks.
Speaker 1: I waited for my neighbor and the odn R guy
Speaker 1: to leave, and it was my son who wanted to
Speaker 1: go with me. So my son and I walked the tracks. Oh,
Speaker 1: he was twelve at the time. Yeah, he was twelve
Speaker 1: at the time, and he was just looking at the tracks.
Speaker 1: He had no idea what we were looking at, what
Speaker 1: we were following. And I had to tell him when
Speaker 1: we got back home, him and his sisters, and you know,
Speaker 1: tell him to you know, from now on, you know,
Speaker 1: there's not going outside anytime soon at night, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Definitely changes things when you have one of these
Speaker 2: things running around outside. Oh yeah, how old did say
Speaker 2: your oldest daughter was the day that she found that track?
Speaker 3: When let's see, she was probably seventeen anyway, sixteen seventeen
Speaker 3: right around there.
Speaker 2: How much did that freak her out.
Speaker 1: Somewhat? You know, she had a job, she worked a
Speaker 1: lot nights, and she'd drive home the side road. You know,
Speaker 1: when she got her card that she was always on
Speaker 1: the lookout for, you know, deer, especially because she seemed
Speaker 1: to be a deer magnet for a while. But she
Speaker 1: I mean, when I'm telling them what I see it's
Speaker 1: the same thing. And how do you how do you
Speaker 1: respond to something that shouldn't exist. You know, I've had
Speaker 1: people tell me that they'll believe it when they see it,
Speaker 1: and I've told him, I don't want you to see it.
Speaker 1: If you never believe me, that's fine, but I never
Speaker 1: want you to see it. My oldest daughter lives now
Speaker 1: next door to help out with things continue to slide
Speaker 1: for me, her and her husband and family. And this
Speaker 1: past spring she saw I had my I was on
Speaker 1: the deck talking with her and I had my back
Speaker 1: to the the fields and things, and she says, dad's
Speaker 1: something very big, twice the size of maybe three times
Speaker 1: the size of my dog Tony. She goes, they just
Speaker 1: topped in the brush back there, and she goes, it
Speaker 1: was big, and you saw the photographs I sent you,
Speaker 1: and she's she's very aware. She's very aware, and so
Speaker 1: are my grandkids. And I told them, you know, just
Speaker 1: no one goes anywhere alone. And you know, my son
Speaker 1: and grandson they that's funny because my son is a
Speaker 1: year younger than my grandson. So yeah, go figure that.
Speaker 1: They're like brothers. And they enjoy going down to the
Speaker 1: local creek and playing in the creek, fishing and just
Speaker 1: walking and it's like you guys, everybody stays together. You
Speaker 1: have X amount of time to be back. You have
Speaker 1: your phones on so I can call you, make sure
Speaker 1: the ringers on. If you see or hear anything that's
Speaker 1: doesn't sound familiar, get out, call me as you're leaving.
Speaker 1: There's no there is no hand zup robuts this is
Speaker 1: how it's done. So if she's been you know, when
Speaker 1: she at the time, when she was seventeen, it was
Speaker 1: more like most kids that are seventeen more questioning, like
Speaker 1: this is really what we're seeing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure she had all sorts of questions and
Speaker 2: she's awfully lucky to have such a great dad. A
Speaker 2: lot of parents I never would have told their kids
Speaker 2: exactly what it was they were dealing with. So in
Speaker 2: so many ways, you deserve a lot of credit, you
Speaker 2: really do. You didn't camp overnight for six years after
Speaker 2: all those experiences. When you finally did go back out
Speaker 2: though camping, could you enjoy yourself or were you so
Speaker 2: pure in a way that it just wasn't fun?
Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't seen as far as enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I tried to enjoy it as much as I could.
Speaker 1: You know, there was there was enjoyment there, But it's
Speaker 1: always in the back of your mind. There's not too
Speaker 1: many days that go by that I don't think about
Speaker 1: this thing. It's always in the back of your mind.
Speaker 1: And even when I went camping, I went armed. I
Speaker 1: was prepared, so if I did see or hear anything,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I've always been a very light sleeper, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: even today, my son said, it's a genetic thing that
Speaker 1: we have in our family. We can go long periods
Speaker 1: of time functioning at high levels with no sleep. So
Speaker 1: it's a gift and a curse because when you want
Speaker 1: to sleep, you can't. But going camping, it was the
Speaker 1: first The first time was a little less enjoyable. Each
Speaker 1: time was a little bit more enjoyable after that, but
Speaker 1: still it's always in the back of your mind. You
Speaker 1: have enough here that you carry with you that no
Speaker 1: matter where you're hiking, that if you need it, you've
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, after having the experiences that you've had, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure it always is in the back of your
Speaker 2: mind anytime that you're out there doing that. Did you
Speaker 2: start camping again? More so to prove a point the
Speaker 2: point that you weren't going to be frightened out of
Speaker 2: the woods, kept from doing what you love to do,
Speaker 2: I eat camping. Or did you just go out because
Speaker 2: you wanted to enjoy the woods again the way you
Speaker 2: used to enjoy the woods before you have these experiences.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit of both. You know, my son
Speaker 1: and I, as he got older, he would take a
Speaker 1: walk in the woods just so he could talk to me,
Speaker 1: tell me about school, tell me about his future plans,
Speaker 1: tell me about his dreams. And I always went armed,
Speaker 1: always forty four bag or bigger each time. And having
Speaker 1: done that, I thought, you know, the more we went
Speaker 1: out weekly and I kept thinking, you know, I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to live in fear. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I wasn't afraid, but it was something
Speaker 1: I was more concerned about the kids. And when he
Speaker 1: was you know, this was he was older. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well let's give it a try again. I think it
Speaker 1: was a senior year maybe that we decided to go
Speaker 1: back camping again. But yeah, no, I was prepared, and
Speaker 1: it was more more so so that I could keep
Speaker 1: enjoying what I loved because I said it was a
Speaker 1: little bit of both. Not going to live in fear.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be you know, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be concerned. I'm going to be aware. But I've got
Speaker 1: to keep doing what I do.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not lost on you. The most people
Speaker 2: wouldn't have ever been able to do that. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a testament to your bravery, it really is. You're
Speaker 2: convinced that the dog man you saw was corporeal. If
Speaker 2: it was corporeal, do you think that would preclude the
Speaker 2: chance that there's a connection somehow between it and all
Speaker 2: those cemeteries in your area?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it would preclude or occlude
Speaker 1: or I think that when I say corporeal, I could
Speaker 1: see it breathing. I know that. Linda Godfrey, when I
Speaker 1: spoke with her and some of the books I've read
Speaker 1: of hers, she spoke about a night watchman that on
Speaker 1: two occasions saw this thing digging in the cemetery. Could
Speaker 1: this be both? Could it be both partially? Could it
Speaker 1: be spiritual and real? Could it be coming from for
Speaker 1: better words? Could it be some kind of I don't
Speaker 1: want to come off sound and half crazy, but maybe interdimensional?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, I have no idea. The
Speaker 1: only thing I know is there are many cemeteries in
Speaker 1: this five mile radius from where I live. And I
Speaker 1: know that there was the five tribes Indians that lived here,
Speaker 1: and there's been in some of the roads and paths
Speaker 1: that are here, there have been now that was Indian
Speaker 1: Indian pass So I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's just one of those strange things about them. Another
Speaker 2: strange thing seems like there is some there there, like
Speaker 2: I said, between Indes and dog men, and it seems
Speaker 2: like there's something there between cemeteries and dog men. What
Speaker 2: that is. All we can do is guess. For some
Speaker 2: time now you've kicked around the idea of trying to
Speaker 2: bag a dog man. If you're actually able to successfully
Speaker 2: do that, what would you do with its corpse?
Speaker 1: Burn it, burn it, bury it. I'm not in it for,
Speaker 1: and I don't have to prove its existence to myself.
Speaker 1: I know they're real. It's not something I want, not
Speaker 1: something I want attention for. And I have come up
Speaker 1: with some a very good plan. I just have to
Speaker 1: be able to implement it. Night times aren't so good
Speaker 1: for me anymore. To find maybe, maybe find someone to
Speaker 1: kick around the idea with me, and other than I
Speaker 1: got my son and son in law, they'd go with me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I want to do it, just
Speaker 1: to make this area safer. That's it I have. You know,
Speaker 1: if it if it's the same one that's hanging around
Speaker 1: or a different one that's hanging around her. As I said,
Speaker 1: we have great waterways and a lot of food. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of deer, a lot of populations of smaller game.
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe if I destroy one, maybe it'll
Speaker 1: maybe they'll figure out that this is a no go place.
Speaker 1: You know, let's not go there.
Speaker 2: I sure hope that thing is long gone and never
Speaker 2: comes back, so you never have to cross that bridge.
Speaker 1: That would be fine with me.
Speaker 2: Were you disgusted when your son had his own encounter
Speaker 2: with you at the gun club that day, or would
Speaker 2: you say that another adjective would be a better descriptor
Speaker 2: for how you felt.
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't disgusted. I was afraid for him.
Speaker 1: You know. Maybe maybe it's you know, I said, it
Speaker 1: scented me. That's what I felt. That it why it
Speaker 1: showed up back at the house the first time, why
Speaker 1: I showed up at the house. And maybe since you know,
Speaker 1: he carries my DNA and perhaps my son, and I
Speaker 1: was there too. Maybe that's why. Because I was there,
Speaker 1: I just had my back to the to the field
Speaker 1: and I heard this. It was a just a guttural sound.
Speaker 1: It didn't last very long, but it was a guttural sound.
Speaker 1: I really wasn't paying attention, like I said, I was
Speaker 1: trying to realign without catching that underlying underwater line from
Speaker 1: the windmill. Until he comes running over and he sprinted
Speaker 1: over as quick as he could, and his eyes were
Speaker 1: you know, to say his biggest saucers is about the
Speaker 1: best way to describe it. But I was I was
Speaker 1: afraid for him.
Speaker 2: Oh I'll bet you were afraid. And the reason why
Speaker 2: I asked about you possibly be disgusted is kids at
Speaker 2: each of a lot of them their plate already as
Speaker 2: it is. If you add seeing something like a dog mean,
Speaker 2: on top of all what he was already going through,
Speaker 2: being a kid that young, that really does add to
Speaker 2: the load. So that's why I was asking about you
Speaker 2: possibly being disgusted by having that experience.
Speaker 1: He's had a lot on his plate, you know. As
Speaker 1: I started to get worse, I had to tell him
Speaker 1: about me, and he it's he and I have always been.
Speaker 1: It's always been he and I. It seems like we've
Speaker 1: always done just about everything together. When you know, teach
Speaker 1: as on how to play football or catch a baseball,
Speaker 1: taught him high ride dirt bikes, his bicycle, how to shoot,
Speaker 1: you know these things. It's always been him and I outside,
Speaker 1: hanging around, you know, taking walks, just like his older brother.
Speaker 1: He wants to be just like his older brother. He
Speaker 1: wants to follow in the same stuffs. And then when
Speaker 1: he sees this, he had this knowledge of me, which
Speaker 1: you know, there was a quiet there was over a
Speaker 1: year there. Over the past year, I want to say
Speaker 1: about every couple of weeks, he'd come running in and crying,
Speaker 1: just putting his head on me, just because of what's
Speaker 1: happening to me. And then he saw this thing. And
Speaker 1: I had told him before, why I didn't. You know,
Speaker 1: they wanted to play hide and go seek in the dark,
Speaker 1: out in the field, and I'm like, no, nope, not
Speaker 1: going to do it. My son and grandsons and granddaughters,
Speaker 1: they were all going to go do this, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: give your old grandpa break. Here. You play during the day.
Speaker 1: That's fine. Everybody sticks together. That's cool. Let's not go
Speaker 1: out there at night. It's just something that I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna you know, it's different than it's different now,
Speaker 1: and him knowing that, and then I just told him myself, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm the monster killer. I'll keep you as safe as
Speaker 1: I possibly can't. You know, you'll be fine. I'll take
Speaker 1: care of you. And he has, he has taken that knowledge,
Speaker 1: knowing that he can trust me to protect him the
Speaker 1: very best that I can and he'll be okay. And
Speaker 1: that's helped.
Speaker 2: Well, that's good, that's really good. It did help. And
Speaker 2: he might or might not realize this, but that doesn't
Speaker 2: change the fact that he really did hit the lottery
Speaker 2: when they're handing out dads, because his dad really is amazing.
Speaker 1: He really is, well I don't know how amazing, But
Speaker 1: I sure do love my family. And you know that's
Speaker 1: my job. It's my job and my it's not just
Speaker 1: a job. It's something that I love doing and to
Speaker 1: protect what is what has been given to me and
Speaker 1: I will to my dying with I will protect my family.
Speaker 2: Oh No, I don't doubt that whatsoever. Don't doubt that
Speaker 2: at all. And that's just one of the many things
Speaker 2: that makes it such a good man.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Did you notice any profound changes in
Speaker 2: his behavior after he had that sighting that were directly
Speaker 2: connected to that sighting?
Speaker 1: A few? You know, he was definitely more hesitant to
Speaker 1: once it started getting once the sun was going down more,
Speaker 1: and once the once it was past dusk, between dusk
Speaker 1: that twilight time, he was less likely to go outside
Speaker 1: and play around. You know, if if they were my
Speaker 1: daughter and son in law, the family was out and
Speaker 1: that we have a fire pit not too far from
Speaker 1: the house, if they were all down there together, he'd
Speaker 1: go out sit with them. That was different. But he
Speaker 1: was not. He was not going to go down there
Speaker 1: by himself. Not going to happen. There has been times
Speaker 1: even that you know, he is, come and get me,
Speaker 1: he says, Dad, I just uh, you want to We
Speaker 1: have a I live in a barnaminium. It's rather big,
Speaker 1: big rooms far apart. He come and get me. Hey, Dad,
Speaker 1: I need to walk out to the kitchen. You want
Speaker 1: to come with me? He said? I just don't. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I just feel like something might be watching me.
Speaker 1: You want to walk out there with me? He's never
Speaker 1: been afraid, but he would like yeah, Well, I said, sure,
Speaker 1: I'll walk out through it with you, you know, because
Speaker 1: the lights are all off and you locked the back door. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have a not only locked, it's also barred. There
Speaker 1: is a yah. It's the uh those planks you put
Speaker 1: in front of the door that keep anything from coming in.
Speaker 1: There's three different locks on that door. Can't walk in.
Speaker 2: Well, I said it before and I'll say it again.
Speaker 2: What a great dad. So many dads wouldn't do anything
Speaker 2: close to what you're doing to help comfort him. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, off, impressive. How about your fiance. You
Speaker 2: told us about her sighting, But how well did she
Speaker 2: handle it?
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, it is something that's on her state
Speaker 1: of mind as well, when, like I said, when you
Speaker 1: see this, it's something that you can't help but think about.
Speaker 1: It's always in the back of your mind. It took
Speaker 1: her several days basically just to calm down honestly, and
Speaker 1: not calm down is not the right word, but to
Speaker 1: get to the point to where her thinking rationally was
Speaker 1: like you know, she came to terms with what she
Speaker 1: saw because again she was in this this belief she goes,
Speaker 1: I always believe you when we talked about it. She goes,
Speaker 1: it's different when you have your own encounter, when you
Speaker 1: see this thing for yourself, it's different. And she went out,
Speaker 1: you know she's heard it. She heard a growl one night.
Speaker 1: She went out, I have a basset hound that I
Speaker 1: gave to my son, and it's red. It very, you know,
Speaker 1: just it looks like a sawed off bloodhound. And that's
Speaker 1: what she laughs about. Calls it a little sawed off,
Speaker 1: calls her a little sawed off bloodhound because that's what
Speaker 1: she looks like. And it was after it was before
Speaker 1: the time changed back, so it was dark early. I
Speaker 1: ate a clockish. She walked outside with the dog and
Speaker 1: next thing I know, she comes running up the stairs
Speaker 1: with a dog in through the door. I said, what wrong?
Speaker 1: She goes, listen, She goes, we were outside. She goes,
Speaker 1: I was letting the dog do its business. And she goes,
Speaker 1: there was this sound, and she goes for better, for
Speaker 1: the better way of putting it, It sounded like a
Speaker 1: jake breake on a truck. And she said it was
Speaker 1: not a truck. She goes, it grew in intensity, but
Speaker 1: she goes, it was like surround sound. She goes, there's
Speaker 1: something out there, and she goes the dog ran was
Speaker 1: pulling her to get up the stairs. You know, she's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a coward. And as I said,
Speaker 1: being a basset hound, her tail was just about touching
Speaker 1: her nose. That's off bar. She had it tucked under
Speaker 1: her body and she was trying to get up and
Speaker 1: get in the house as quickly as possible. This dog
Speaker 1: was terrified. And when she goes out now she has
Speaker 1: to go out at night. She carries a No. Three
Speaker 1: fifty seven. When she came up and told me this,
Speaker 1: I happened to have a magazine fed shotgun and I
Speaker 1: put those dragon breath rounds that you've seen in john
Speaker 1: Wick for the dragon's breath and buckshot in a drum
Speaker 1: magazine and I told her, grabbed the spotlight and I said,
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's walk out and find out what's there
Speaker 1: and probably see. I went back the next day with
Speaker 1: my laser rangefinder. Turned out to be one hundred and
Speaker 1: about one hundred and sixty yards. She saw eyeshine about
Speaker 1: seven and a half feet off the ground and I
Speaker 1: caught just a glimpse, just a glimpse. It was by
Speaker 1: a tree, just a glimpse and she saw it before
Speaker 1: I saw it, before she could tell me what she
Speaker 1: was looking at. And then it was gone, just there
Speaker 1: for a moment. The eyeshine was, she said, about a
Speaker 1: and inches apart, So it was sizable. It wasn't something
Speaker 1: small like a cat or a raccoon up in a tree.
Speaker 1: This was something sizable. Didn't see anything else. But now
Speaker 1: when she goes outside after dark, she's got that most
Speaker 1: three fifty seven magnum with her.
Speaker 2: It really is a shame that she has to worry
Speaker 2: about all this. It really is, like I said before,
Speaker 2: life is difficult enough as it is. I mean, you
Speaker 2: had all this on top of everything else you have
Speaker 2: to worry about in line on a day to day basis.
Speaker 2: It just isn't right. It shouldn't be that way. That's horrible.
Speaker 2: If you've had a Dogman encounter, I would like to
Speaker 2: speak with me about it, whether I'm private or on
Speaker 2: the show. Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit
Speaker 2: a report. Did you almost feel guilty in a way
Speaker 2: for your loved ones having their own encounters? Since it
Speaker 2: would seem we don't know that it is, but it
Speaker 2: would seem that there encounters are connected somehow, to you
Speaker 2: having yours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I I've thought about that, and yeah
Speaker 1: I have. What can I have done differently? You know,
Speaker 1: this is this connected to me. All I can do
Speaker 1: is tell them, hey, listen, I'm sorry this happened to you,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't wish this on anyone. And now I
Speaker 1: have to prepare you for what comes next. You know,
Speaker 1: this is what you have to do. You know, this
Speaker 1: is what you have to realize. The monsters that we
Speaker 1: are told aren't real, well in this instance they are,
Speaker 1: and it opens up the doors to other possibilities of
Speaker 1: things that aren't supposed to exist. So it's like knowing
Speaker 1: that you prepare them the best you can. Let's go
Speaker 1: out target shooting. This is what you grab. This is
Speaker 1: what you get if something happens and I'm not here,
Speaker 1: you know, when that time comes where I'm no longer here,
Speaker 1: you know, these are the things you need to do,
Speaker 1: and these are the precautions you need to take. Here's
Speaker 1: phone numbers of people that you can call that I trust,
Speaker 1: you know, there's not that many. I have this very small,
Speaker 1: small circle, Like I said, my son all lives next
Speaker 1: door and he's a bushcrafter and an excellent huntsman, and
Speaker 1: I said, call him first, then we'll go from there.
Speaker 1: I said, he has his own list as well of
Speaker 1: people that he can call that he trusts, and I
Speaker 1: have enough armament to take care of all of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always good to have a really good circle
Speaker 2: of friends and you can count on like that when
Speaker 2: things go sideways. But unfortunately, you told us about the
Speaker 2: people that you shared your experience with who told you
Speaker 2: that they'll believe this when they see it. With that
Speaker 2: in mind, does it frustrate you when those people told
Speaker 2: you that or was a water off of a duck's back.
Speaker 1: At first, it frustrated me because I've never been a
Speaker 1: person to lie. That's not who I am. But then
Speaker 1: I thought about it, and I realized that if you
Speaker 1: would have told me the same thing all these years ago,
Speaker 1: you know, if you would have told me the day
Speaker 1: before that these things are real, I would have just
Speaker 1: laughed and said, yeah right, and I would have said
Speaker 1: the same thing, I'll believe it when I see it. Well,
Speaker 1: I did see it, and I do believe it. And
Speaker 1: as I said in the past, you know, if that's
Speaker 1: what it takes for you to believe, I hope you
Speaker 1: never believe. I hope it's something you never see. I
Speaker 1: just want to make you aware that way, if you
Speaker 1: hear something when you're out camping, or unless you went
Speaker 1: on a night hype or less, you're just out late
Speaker 1: playing golf and you're just getting off the course as
Speaker 1: the sun's going down, and you hear something that you
Speaker 1: don't think you've ever heard before, that the story may
Speaker 1: help you find the answer that you're looking for.
Speaker 2: You're a good man for feeling that way, because most
Speaker 2: people wouldn't feel that way. They would give anything for
Speaker 2: these doubters to have their own experiences so they could
Speaker 2: almost in a way rev it in. So, like I said,
Speaker 2: good man, you're not just a dog me and eye witness, Brian,
Speaker 2: you investigate them too. And with that in mind, what
Speaker 2: would you say has been the hardest lesson I've learned
Speaker 2: while you've been out on a field investigation.
Speaker 1: Just when you think that you you know, I've I
Speaker 1: have mapped out locations of sightings longitude and latitude, longitude
Speaker 1: and latitude, and then you know, penning these sights out
Speaker 1: and then going to see for myself, you know, knowing
Speaker 1: that these things, these things move very quickly, and they're
Speaker 1: not always in the spot you hope that they would be.
Speaker 1: You know, I spoke to you and told you about
Speaker 1: how fast they move. We've heard other stories, and I've
Speaker 1: read stories from other people and their experiences where they
Speaker 1: said it's kept pace with a car at fifty miles
Speaker 1: an hour. Kept pace with a car fifty miles an hour,
Speaker 1: it could have ran faster. I can tell you is
Speaker 1: when you break that down, that's twenty four point four
Speaker 1: yards per second. So even when I'm out in the
Speaker 1: field looking for these things, you get a little you're
Speaker 1: on edge. You know, you're hoping you see one. At
Speaker 1: the same time, you're hoping that you're prepared when you do,
Speaker 1: because for the average person to react like someone's in
Speaker 1: a car accident, the facet that they react is a
Speaker 1: second and a half. This thing's closer than twenty yards.
Speaker 1: I'm dead before I could even react. So I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that when I'm out there looking for these things, that
Speaker 1: I at least have a little bit of a chance
Speaker 1: and maybe I can see it a little further away
Speaker 1: than twenty four to twenty five yards. You know, it
Speaker 1: gives me a chance to set up and be ready
Speaker 1: and say are here a puppy?
Speaker 2: What you just touch that brings to mind something I
Speaker 2: keep pointing to and I shout to the heavens about
Speaker 2: there are so many people who take firearms out into
Speaker 2: the woods with them looking for these guys. And maybe
Speaker 2: they're heading into the woods doing something else, not actually
Speaker 2: looking for a dog man, but they've got this idea
Speaker 2: that by having a firearm they're protected. Like you said,
Speaker 2: I mean, think about how far they can go in
Speaker 2: the amount of time that it takes you to just respond.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, which it is, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what kind of a firearm you have on you. They
Speaker 2: can dispatch you at will before you could ever draw
Speaker 2: down on them. So I don't care how powerful if
Speaker 2: a firearm you have on you, If they want to
Speaker 2: really take you out, they can do so. Will you
Speaker 2: can't stop them?
Speaker 1: No, No, The only thing you can do is is
Speaker 1: the area around here is where I've had my own
Speaker 1: encounters and seen them more than once. As I have
Speaker 1: a couple of areas that I can actually have a
Speaker 1: natural funnel with a stone ridge behind me, and I
Speaker 1: have a couple of ideas want to draw them in.
Speaker 1: One is I've had people say they respond to dog
Speaker 1: whistle high pitch. The other one is infrasound, which I
Speaker 1: have an infrasound generator, and I can broadcast on a
Speaker 1: wireless a wireless speaker or wired it. Either way I decide,
Speaker 1: it's up to me. But then set up. My goal
Speaker 1: was to set up strobes, high intensity strobes at thirty
Speaker 1: five yards that had trip wires set at eight inches,
Speaker 1: three feet and six feet, so that way, you know,
Speaker 1: if I can draw them into this funnel. You know,
Speaker 1: if they hear this and they want to come that
Speaker 1: they'll trifty strobes. First, I have a flamethrower, a fifty
Speaker 1: BMG and a couple five hundred smiths. Nothing likes to
Speaker 1: be burnt, Nothing likes fire, and I can set this
Speaker 1: thing on fire and take the rest from there. That's
Speaker 1: if I can draw it in. That was my plan.
Speaker 1: Other than that, if you're just out looking for these
Speaker 1: things and you're hiking along, you're right, you don't have
Speaker 1: a chance. You don't have that opportunity having a couple
Speaker 1: of people with you. I sure wouldn't go alone. That
Speaker 1: would be helpful because someone else may hear something you don't.
Speaker 1: Someone else may see something that you don't. Someone else
Speaker 1: might be smart enough to say, hey, listen, the woods
Speaker 1: are now deadly quiet. Let's get out of here. And
Speaker 1: that's probably good too, because when the woods go quiet,
Speaker 1: there's no noise, there's no birds, there's no crickets, there's
Speaker 1: no nothing. You're not the biggest predator in the woods anymore. So,
Speaker 1: not only is your adrenaline running, it's you have a
Speaker 1: tendency to get something called tunnel vision when that happens,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times it's better off to pull
Speaker 1: out and go again another day. There's always another day.
Speaker 2: That's really good advice, Yes there is. Now. I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to judge you with this next question. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to pick your brain here to get a good
Speaker 2: feel where you're coming from on this. Randomly seeing a
Speaker 2: dog man is one thing, But how much thought have
Speaker 2: you put into the fallout that would resolve if things
Speaker 2: happen to go sideways on one of these investigations you go.
Speaker 1: On, Yeah, you know, I've thought about that. I thought
Speaker 1: about that many times. You know, I can only I
Speaker 1: can only live by example. You know, when you when
Speaker 1: you fear, when you're afraid, is when you have to
Speaker 1: have the most courage to do things even when you're afraid.
Speaker 1: That's the testament I lead back to my family. You
Speaker 1: might be afraid, but you've got to you've got to
Speaker 1: push past that fear and if it gets me, so
Speaker 1: be it. You know, so that your dad was out
Speaker 1: there doing something that I believe to be the right
Speaker 1: thing to do, and you know, you guys may be
Speaker 1: able to take it to the next level. And if not,
Speaker 1: that's okay. Just don't let fear of your life. And
Speaker 1: that's you know, when you are the most afraid, that's
Speaker 1: when you have to let courage prevail. And that's what
Speaker 1: I would tell my family.
Speaker 2: Well, that's admirable. It'd be one thing if you're out
Speaker 2: there trying to look for dog men for trivial reasons.
Speaker 2: But you're doing this because he said, you want to
Speaker 2: protect your family. You want to just remove the threat
Speaker 2: if that dogman is still around. I don't think you're
Speaker 2: going to be able to do that, and I wish
Speaker 2: you would stop trying to do that because of the
Speaker 2: possible harm, well because of the definite danger you're putting
Speaker 2: yourself in by trying to do that. But you're a
Speaker 2: grown man. You can obviously do what you want to do,
Speaker 2: and I mean, God help you if things do go sideways.
Speaker 2: I really hope they don't. But like I said, you're
Speaker 2: a grown man. You can do what you want to do.
Speaker 2: You've got your own priorities. I'm not anyone. I'm not
Speaker 2: in any place to judge you for that, So right,
Speaker 2: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I appreciate your worrying about me. Pick
Speaker 1: you know, I I worry about myself half the time,
Speaker 1: doubt myself half the time too. Ah, you know, but
Speaker 1: you know, if we're if there is even a slim chance,
Speaker 1: a slim chance that I can stop this thing, just
Speaker 1: that there's if there's one, or if there's more than one,
Speaker 1: you know, especially if there's one, and maybe I can
Speaker 1: stop it and prevent others from coming, you know, when
Speaker 1: they find out that what they're looking for they're not
Speaker 1: going to find here, no, so to speak, Maybe I can,
Speaker 1: Maybe I can't, you know, And I said, I my
Speaker 1: my night times are becoming much more difficult. So how
Speaker 1: many more nighttime investigations I'll be able to do? Or
Speaker 1: even set up this trap the way I want to
Speaker 1: may not be something I even get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do somebody else. If I can, you know, if I
Speaker 1: can speak to somebody else and that's something that they
Speaker 1: want to try, well that's it. Have to have the
Speaker 1: same reasons behind it as I do. Have to have
Speaker 1: the same, the same understanding that I do, not for,
Speaker 1: not for anything else, but to d get rid of it.
Speaker 1: That's it. Anything else is anything else is self serving.
Speaker 1: So to speak, no, no, no publicity, no, none of
Speaker 1: that stuff. Just kill it, burn it, bury it, be
Speaker 1: done with it.
Speaker 2: I know it's not lost on you that I don't
Speaker 2: think you can do this. I don't think you can
Speaker 2: actually kill a dog man like that. My whole standpoint is, gosh,
Speaker 2: I hate the idea. I don't want anything bad to
Speaker 2: happen to you. I hate the idea of you putting
Speaker 2: yourself in a position where it will wind up possibly
Speaker 2: killing you because you're out there trying to kill it
Speaker 2: in a situation where it's a no win situation for you.
Speaker 2: There's no way you will be able to successfully kill
Speaker 2: this thing. So that's why I'm so concerned about you.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm coming from. If there was any doubt
Speaker 2: whatsoever in your mind, where I was coming from, on this.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no doubt at all. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: like I said, I have read many accounts. I have
Speaker 1: many many books on people's some people shooting it and
Speaker 1: taking direct fire. I don't know. I don't know that
Speaker 1: it can be code or not. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I'm using weapons that should kill anything and then some.
Speaker 1: But again, will I be able to maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll know it, maybe you will know that I'm
Speaker 1: out to kill it. Maybe it won't show up good possibility,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, A fifty BMG, Well they
Speaker 1: can go just buy anything on a planet. But I
Speaker 1: don't know why. And I said, if this is more
Speaker 1: of a spiritual or demonic type of creature than no,
Speaker 1: not at all. And it's very possible that's what these
Speaker 1: things are. I know the Indians have I have spoken
Speaker 1: of these things. As I said, I believe that they
Speaker 1: they may walk in and out of dimensions. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. You know, there's so many theories
Speaker 1: of thought, theories of their existence, theories of what they
Speaker 1: are and where they come from. You know, everybody has
Speaker 1: their own theory, and I have read many of them,
Speaker 1: and I don't even know where to begin. And as
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know that I'll be able to
Speaker 1: get out and do too many more. I said, night
Speaker 1: times are a bit more difficult. They're a little harder
Speaker 1: for me to be able to go out anymore. My
Speaker 1: mind starts to slide a bit. So you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'd be able to do it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know we're praying for you, We really are.
Speaker 1: I know that I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome, wouldn't have it any of the way. Well,
Speaker 2: I haven't said that, Brian. It's about time for us
Speaker 2: to get out of here. But before we do, do
Speaker 2: you have any closing comments you want to put out
Speaker 2: there for us.
Speaker 1: I would say that all those things you don't exist,
Speaker 1: that you don't think exist, give them at least the
Speaker 1: respect of the possibility that they exist. I can tell
Speaker 1: you with certainty, certainty that document exists. I can tell
Speaker 1: you that because I've seen it as anything else out
Speaker 1: there that could be real. Absolutely, especially when we have
Speaker 1: an understanding. You know, people don't spend as much time
Speaker 1: in the woods like they did, you know, one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty years ago when they hunted for their food.
Speaker 1: So just be aware, just be aware of your surroundings,
Speaker 1: be aware of what might be out there when you
Speaker 1: hear the If you're out hiking and you hear the woods,
Speaker 1: go silent, backtrack and just be careful. That's all I
Speaker 1: can say. Be careful, don't be you know, don't stop
Speaker 1: doing what you love, but just be aware that these things.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that dog wodn't exist, and there's
Speaker 1: a possibility of a lot of other things existing. So
Speaker 1: just be aware.
Speaker 2: That's all really good advice, it really is. And Brian,
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's no secret that I hope you never
Speaker 2: see that dog mean again, I really hope you never do.
Speaker 2: But if you do wind up seeing it, I hope
Speaker 2: things go to your I really do.
Speaker 1: I hope I never see one. I'd be fine with
Speaker 1: never see any one again, and saying with my family,
Speaker 1: I would be happy if they never saw another one.
Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would definitely be a good thing. But having
Speaker 2: said that, thanks again so much for your time, Thanks
Speaker 2: so much for coming back on to do this, Q
Speaker 2: and A. I really do appreciate it. Of course, I
Speaker 2: do wish you the best, and if you ever need
Speaker 2: my help for anything, please.
Speaker 1: Let me know all right. I well, thank you Vick
Speaker 1: oh you're welcome.
Speaker 2: Thanks again so much, and have a great night.