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Dogmanencounters dot com forward Slash podcast. Tonight's guest was featured

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on last Monday Night show. It took so long to

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share all of his experiences, and he's had quite a

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few that we didn't have enough time to go over

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the questions I wanted to ask him, so I asked

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him if he'd be interested in coming back for a

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part to you where I could do a Q and

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A with him, and luckily he agreed to do that,

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so he's back to answer all of my questions. Of course,

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I'm talking about Brian. Brian, thanks so much for coming back.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely no problem.

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Speaker 2: That's really appreciated. And Brian, for anyone who missed last

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Monday Night show, please tell us about your experiences and

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kind of a fly over a cliff Notes version of

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those experiences.

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Speaker 1: Well, it happened in December of two thousand and five,

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sometime after midnight, when I heard my dog acting strangely

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outside and since this is a cliff Notes version, the

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howling that I heard that caused him to act the

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way he was was something that I'd never heard before.

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In my first first episode with you, I commented how

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it sounded like a Renaissance, how like a dog was

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trapped in a barrel. So I wanted to go investigate.

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I like animals, and I thought maybe I could help

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this dog out if it was trapped. So I took

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a spotlight and forty five with me, just in case,

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you know, something was in case the dog was beyond help,

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something was wrong. I walked about three hundred yards or

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so to the north when I realized that the howling

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that I was hearing was not coming from the culvert

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that the towns were putting in. The town was putting in.

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It was coming from the woods back behind the old

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Mayor's house. So I looked at the forty five in

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my hand, and I went home and grabbed a bigger rifle,

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something with night vision at Gen one night vision, went

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back across the went down the hill. As I said,

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it was about three hundred, three hundred and fifty yards

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from the house, and went down the hill, across the road,

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acrossed the ditchline, walked back and as I was shining

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the spotlight. This thing started tearing and tearing through the

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woods right towards me. Had no idea. I couldn't see

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anything because the woods are still thick. And I dropped

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the spotlight and slammed the boat shut the spirearm I

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was using as an HK ninety one. The boats on

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the side the boat release and when I slammed that

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thing shut, there pretty stout and they make a lot

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of noise. Whatever was running at me that I didn't

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know what was running at me, it stopped when it

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heard that sound. I bent down and I picked up

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the spotlight and I started shining across the area where

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I thought I could see what was coming through the woods.

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And having hunted before and been outside many times at

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night over the years, I was looking about four feet

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off the ground. I swept from left to right, and

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it went far enough right that I knew, okay, what

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I was hearing wasn't there. So I started coming back

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to the left. I shined up. For some reason, I thought, okay,

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i'll look up the tree. You know, I didn't think

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it was a raccoon, but hey, i'll look I shine,

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and I shined up a little higher, and that's when

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I hit it. I hit this thing that had for

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the better, better way of putting it. They were red eyes,

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and I'm looking at something that shouldn't exist. I'm looking

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at this. At the time, I didn't know how else

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to put it. Now I know to call it a

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dog man. It's standing there. It's got its hands pushing

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down on this limb and I say, hands not pause,

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and it's looking at me. I could see it breathing.

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I could see its chest heaving. It's breathing out, and

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you can see the steam coming out of its mouth,

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and it's staring at me, and I'm staring at it.

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was probably maybe fifteen twenty seconds. And then it turned

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and ran, and it moved so fast. It ran, like

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I said, probably between thirty and forty yards flat ground

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through the woods, then uphill for another I don't know

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a bit, and to it hit the main road. I

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can hear the gravel that was loose that had been

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put in up there, just kind of jar as it

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hit it. I made my way home, spent the rest

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of the night trying to determine what it is I

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heard and had no idea I talked to you a

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little bit about how about a month later that there

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were tracks in the snow. We had a snowstorm and

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my neighbor I asked him to come over. He's a

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bit older than me. He'd never seen that. I had

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met and talked with the man from the ODNR who

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was a new guy out and I belonged to the

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local gun club. So he came out and did some

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talk there, and I got his card and I called

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that number. He happened to be in the next town over,

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and he came out and he took some pictures and

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he said he'd never seen anything like that. He had

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no idea what they could be from. They looked like

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a dog's paw, but elongated much longer. So after everybody left,

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I turned around and looked. While they were all standing

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there were looking at these tracks, and they were the

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ones that I initially saw, were standing like shoulder with

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the part in the snow by the house, by the

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skywalk going up to the house. And then as I looked,

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you could see these tracks and they were they were

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eight feet apart by pedal. It looked like it hopped

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in the snow like one here. And then hopped to

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the next one, and hopped to the next one till

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it hit the railroad tracks. So after the guys left,

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I went in the house and grabbed my rifle again

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and my son he wanted to go with me, and

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he used twelve at a time. He later became a marine,

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so I'm pretty proud of him. Anyway, we hoofed it

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down the railroad tracks, following this track or these tracks. Now.

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a build up of snow between the two sets of

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railroad tracks, but in the track itself, where the railroad

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ties are, the snow gets blown each side to the

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rail But I could see a track here, in a

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track there, because it was in the snow, in the gravel,

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or sometimes i'd catch it just as it stepped down

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the snow on the tie, and we walked for about

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a mile. I tracked it and then just lost it.

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tracks into the woods, that would be my best guess,

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but again, being able to hop so far, I didn't

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even know where to start looking. We went back home

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at the time the howling that we heard because my

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then wife at the time had stepped out on the

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back porch on the deck and she heard it. The

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best way to describe that howl at the time was

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the howl from the American War with in London when

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it's on the moors. It had that kind of renaissance sound.

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And now I found something that is almost identical, and

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that was the sound that was heard up in Canada.

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Somebody was outside their home. You see a car off

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to the right and there was woods and stuff to

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the front of them. And to my knowledge, i've checked

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back there a few times. No one's been able to

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identify this thing, and that's what it sounded like. So

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we've had other encounters. My youngest son about a year ago,

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he and I went fishing at the pond at the

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gun club, and usually I take whenever I go outside,

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I carry a gun. This time I didn't, and I

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had my back to the the field and they had

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a we have a windmill that goes down and it

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pumps the air in the bottom of the pond. He

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was standing over next to the dock and I had

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my back to the field, and next thing I know,

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he throws his fishing pole down and runs over to

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sprints over and screaming, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, Did you

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see it? Did you hear? Well? I had heard this sound.

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It was just for a moment. It sounded guttural. But

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I really wasn't. I was trying not to catch the line.

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I was reeling in and I was fishing off the bottom.

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I really didn't want to catch the line that runs

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from the the windmill. Said. I said, no, buddy, I

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didn't see it. And his eyes were just huge, and

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it was a little pale. And he goes, Dad, it

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was so fast and it was so big. He goes,

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it was there, then it was there, then it was there,

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and he goes in just a second and he goes,

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it was like a giant dog. And he goes, it

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was like running, but not on all fours all the time.

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He said, like running bent over and it was just

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running and it was so fast. Well, he told me

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where it went in the There was an extra there's

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a quite a wide fence row. He goes, that's where

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it's superior at toward the corner there. So I went

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over and I told him to stay over there. I mean,

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it's what the gun clubs within walking distance. I think

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we drove the car up there because we had our

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fishing poles and stuff. And I told him just to

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stay over there, and I went to the corner and

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I got there. He told me that's where he saw

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it go in. And you know how when you look

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in and you see something for a moment, then it's gone.

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it was gone. I have no doubt that I actually

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saw this thing again. And when he came and I

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grilled him on this like an interrogation, because I asked him,

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you know how, what did you see? How did you

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see it? You know, really, what did it look like?

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with him. I went over with him that multiple times

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in the story. Number changed. I live in the same

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town that we had our I had my first encounter,

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and I don't the first time that I saw it.

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spending time in the woods hiking and walking, I didn't

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camp after the first encounter. I didn't go camping overnight

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camping for six years. And we take hikes in the woods,

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but I never never, even when I'm walking and it's dark,

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I never go unarmed. Ever. It changes your perception of reality.

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It changes your perception on everything. And there's nothing else

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I can say, but it's it's something that shouldn't exist.

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there's no such thing as monsters. Well, I just saw one.

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I saw something that shouldn't exist, and you know, now

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what what else? What else could exist? So yeah, that's

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kind of my kind of my recap there. VIC.

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Speaker 2: I think that whole idea, that whole question about what

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else is out there after you see a dog man.

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that so hard to deal with. Can you think of

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any other questions that have popped into your head as

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a result of all these experiences? That's even harder to

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Speaker 1: You know. I had mentioned in the last in the

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first episode that I am dealing with a terminal diagnosis,

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and I'm okay with that, but I you know, I

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went to the not trying to lose track. I went

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to the dog Man's imposium, the first one. That's the

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first time I ever heard the word dog Man was

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in Defiance in twenty sixteen, met some wonderful people, and

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even before that, because we kind of touched on it

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with you know, burial and death. I was involved in

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an accident that should have killed me. There is no

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way I should have survived. It was, as you have,

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well put, a near death experience, and holding this in

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the back of my mind all this time, I often

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wondered if just perhaps perhaps these things or they can

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pick up on, you know, maybe death and having survived

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something I should not have, you know, having this near

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death experience, maybe that's what drew it to me. This

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it's I have no no way to go from there

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other than saying, perhaps, you know, that's something that maybe

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and dogmen eyewitnesses, it seems like there's something to it.

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and what that connection is, I'm not going to pretend

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to know. That's anyone's guess, but yeah, it does seem

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like there's definitely some there there. It really does. When

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that eerie hal rang out. How do you respond?

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Speaker 1: He was trying and he's a wolf malonw hybrid. He

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was a very big dog. He was on and he

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loved being outside. He loved being in the snow. That

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was just his thing. And that's what woke me up

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was he was snapping the end of his chain and

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when I went out, his hack was were up on

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the back of his you know, the hair on the

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back of his neck. His headed back all sticking up.

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He had his head down, his tail down. It wasn't

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between his leg, but it was down, and he was

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in a I don't want to say an aggressive stands,

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but pretty much. He didn't know what to think of this.

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He wasn't barking. He was pacing. He was pacing back

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and forth.

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Speaker 2: He didn't frighten easily, did he.

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Speaker 1: No, he did not. He did not frighten. He first

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time I'd ever seen him like that. We have coyotes,

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and you know, there have been bear in the area.

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I I caught pictures of a mountain lion that roamed

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through the area and I tracked it for about a month,

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maybe a little more so. It disappeared southeast of here.

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That's when I lost its track and it was out

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in the field. I had it on my flur and

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so I mean, these things were not uncommon. But he

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didn't frighten easily.

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Speaker 2: I say, must not. You felt like your forty five

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was too small to get the job done after hearing that,

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how you said, But after you got out that h

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K ninety one, did you feel like it was big

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enough to actually pretend you? Or did he still feel undergun?

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't even have time to think about it.

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I don't know that, you know. I go back and

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think of that now, and having learned what I have

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from then until now, you know, having listened to other encounters,

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having read as many books as I have, you know,

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not knowing if it's a you know, is it a

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it is a UH and only a spiritual creature? No,

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because it was KRPOREO. I could see it breathing. I

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could see the steam coming out of its mouth. Can

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it be both? Perhaps? You know, I don't know that

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the HK would have done it, I would like to

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think so. I've heard stories of men shooting these things

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with shotguns thirty odd sixes and to no avail, nothing happens,

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They continue to move. So I don't I don't you

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know now, I don't don't believe it would have done anything.

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I don't think it would have been enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably wouldn't have been. What caliber is in h

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K ninety one.

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Speaker 1: It's a three to zero eight seven point sixty two

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by five to one. That's the military designation. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If that's the case, I really doubt it would have

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been enough.

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Speaker 1: Then I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: When you finally saw it standing there steering at you,

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do you remember if its ears were standing upright or pinned.

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Speaker 1: No, they were upright. The only thing I could see

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was about from a chest up and I could see

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the hands and I do mean hands pushing down on

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this limb on this this pine tree at about seven feet.

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But I could see its head and it just like

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a giant dogs. I commented the last time that there

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was a TV show on the early eighties, and I

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was wrong. It's not Jack Lance, it's Chuck Conners that

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start in the show called Werewolf, and it it put

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me in the mind of that thing's head. That's the

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only thing I had to compare it to because you know,

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you know, back in the day. It was Lone Chainey

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that was the wolf man, and I never had and

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silver bowled, but it was it was different than silver bullied.

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Of course. Werewolf was about the closest thing I could

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compare it to. And I they're not supposed to exist anyway, now,

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these things aren't supposed to be real. But the ears were.

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The ears were sticking straight up like a like a

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like a German shepherds on the when they're ready to

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do whatever they're going to do, when they're alert, their

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ears are sticking up. And that's this thing was ears

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were sticking straight up. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was fully focused on you. It stared at you

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for about twenty seconds. He has said. Did it ever

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display any kind of emotion on its face?

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Speaker 1: You know when it when it was looking at me,

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I mean it was it was just I don't think

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emotion other than its eyes. Its teeth were bared, you know,

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had its mouth open a bit, of course, and they

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looked formidable. Just the feeling that I got as a

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stared at me was that it was it was evil

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and it was sizing me up. But it why I

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didn't do anything else other than turn and run. I

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have no idea. I did not get a warm and

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fuzzy feeling from it, that's for sure. And when it

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stared at me, I all I could do was standard

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and stare back, trying to figure out exactly what it

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is I'm looking at and trying to understand how.

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Speaker 2: Well I think I can answer that question. It didn't

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do anything else because it got what it wanted. They

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could clearly see a guy that's response out of you,

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that didn't more to find you, so it was happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I often thought that perhaps when we see these

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things and they don't attack, I often wondered if they

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fed off of fear. You know, I didn't have a

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chance to be afraid because it was too fast, you know,

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trying to determine what it is, you know, was it

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my adrenaline going oh yeah, But maybe that's what it

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feeds off of, you know, that heightened sense that you're

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in and you have this this this look of shock,

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because that's what it was, and basically shocked because you're

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seeing something that should not exist. And if I can

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get people to understand that these things are real, that's

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all I want. Just to be careful. These things do exist.

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And if you're going camping. That's great, that's fantastic. If

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you're hunting, if you're hiking, just be aware because of

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these things are real.

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Speaker 2: They sure are. It's unfortunate though. After it left, he

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said that you went back home and told your wife.

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Did you have any misgivings about telling her or were

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you sure it was the right move.

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Speaker 1: I didn't tell her right away. I just told her.

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She asked me if I had had seen anything, and

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I told her, I said, I'm not exactly sure what

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I saw. I went to bed and just I couldn't sleep.

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I thought about it. I did tell her the next

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day on what I saw, and her look was just

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this blank stare. Because she was born and raised in

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the city. She had never lived in the country, not

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something she did, no familiarity with some of the animals

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that we have out here, regardless, and it was just

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this blank, dumbfounded look. When I told her, oh, I'm

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sure it was yeah. You know, you're supposed to share

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things with those that are close to you. I didn't

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tell the kids, you know, they they all saw the

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tracks that Saturday in January. They saw that. I didn't

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tell them, you know that that of what happened that night,

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you know, in December. I didn't tell them that, but

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when they saw the tracks, I kind of had to

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kind of had to spill the beans on what I

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thought it was. Yeah, I really wasn't even sure. Other

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than to tell them look like a werewolf. I had

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no idea that it was, you know, this term dog man.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the kids have plenty of questions, and understandably

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so the morning went outside to let wolf out of

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your garage and found those prints. Did you ever look

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up onto the roof of your garage to see if

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it might have been up there as well?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I did not.

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Speaker 1: I did not look up on the roof. My I

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I'm just looking at these tracks. Bewildered would be probably

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the best term thinking. You know, I'm looking at tracks

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that are elongated dog prints every bit of six eight

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inches long, and you know, and they were it was,

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you know, when I was standing right next to the sidewalk,

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and then as it hopped through and then up on

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the railroad tracks. I never thought about the garage. You know,

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they had walked back and forth like they knew he

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was in the garage because of you know, we had

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some snow come in. They were you know, the meteorologists

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had predicted a foot of snow or more and blowing,

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and we didn't get that much, probably about six inches maybe,

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and there wasn't much. And a lot of the stuff

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that was around the house was thin because of bushes

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and stuff that I had planted and hedges. But the

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around the garage, the snow was all. That's what caught

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my attention at first, was the snow was all packed

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down from the whole side of the garage where the

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snow was, it was just all packed down and it

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shouldn't have been. And then when I took a step

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off the deck and started walking down the sidewalk and

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I saw the prints next to the sidewalk, That's what

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made me stop because I was just going to walk out.

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I was going to let him out. You know, he

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was in there at the Baylis Straw because they had

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predicted this big storm and heavy snow and heavy heavy

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wind gusts, and I just put him in there, and

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I put him in my loading shop and he was

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all hunkered down and fine. But you know, it took me.

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Took me an extra few minutes too, you know, as

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I'm looking at these tracks and then I went got

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him out, and I took him out so he could

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do his business, and I went and got my friend.

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Like I said, he was my neighbor, and he's he's

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an outdoorsman himself and a very good hunters. He's been

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around the he's been around a while, and he's had

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his own little you know, his hunting adventures, I should say.

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And he'd never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure he hadn't. No, No, it's not to

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say that it was up on that roof, but it's

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entirely possible because yeah, they're not above going up onto

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roofs or spending quite a bit of time up in trees. So,

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like I said, it's definitely a possibility.

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Speaker 1: It could have been. I mean, I'm not gonna say no,

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because it very well could have been. I just didn't look.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's all right. Yeah, you can't be faulded for that.

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You didn't know when you and your neighbor walked the

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railroad tracks that day following the Prince. Did he seem

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to be spooked at the time or it seemed like

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he didn't realize the gravity of the situation you two

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were in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was me and my son that walked the tracks.

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I waited for my neighbor and the odn R guy

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to leave, and it was my son who wanted to

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go with me. So my son and I walked the tracks. Oh,

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he was twelve at the time. Yeah, he was twelve

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at the time, and he was just looking at the tracks.

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He had no idea what we were looking at, what

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we were following. And I had to tell him when

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we got back home, him and his sisters, and you know,

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tell him to you know, from now on, you know,

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there's not going outside anytime soon at night, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Definitely changes things when you have one of these

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things running around outside. Oh yeah, how old did say

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your oldest daughter was the day that she found that track?

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Speaker 3: When let's see, she was probably seventeen anyway, sixteen seventeen

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right around there.

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Speaker 2: How much did that freak her out.

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Speaker 1: Somewhat? You know, she had a job, she worked a

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lot nights, and she'd drive home the side road. You know,

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when she got her card that she was always on

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the lookout for, you know, deer, especially because she seemed

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to be a deer magnet for a while. But she

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I mean, when I'm telling them what I see it's

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the same thing. And how do you how do you

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respond to something that shouldn't exist. You know, I've had

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people tell me that they'll believe it when they see it,

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and I've told him, I don't want you to see it.

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If you never believe me, that's fine, but I never

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want you to see it. My oldest daughter lives now

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next door to help out with things continue to slide

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for me, her and her husband and family. And this

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past spring she saw I had my I was on

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the deck talking with her and I had my back

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to the the fields and things, and she says, dad's

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something very big, twice the size of maybe three times

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the size of my dog Tony. She goes, they just

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topped in the brush back there, and she goes, it

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was big, and you saw the photographs I sent you,

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and she's she's very aware. She's very aware, and so

476
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,039
are my grandkids. And I told them, you know, just

477
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,640
no one goes anywhere alone. And you know, my son

478
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,240
and grandson they that's funny because my son is a

479
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:45,880
year younger than my grandson. So yeah, go figure that.

480
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,599
They're like brothers. And they enjoy going down to the

481
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,839
local creek and playing in the creek, fishing and just

482
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,920
walking and it's like you guys, everybody stays together. You

483
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,920
have X amount of time to be back. You have

484
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:05,880
your phones on so I can call you, make sure

485
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,720
the ringers on. If you see or hear anything that's

486
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:12,240
doesn't sound familiar, get out, call me as you're leaving.

487
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:18,519
There's no there is no hand zup robuts this is

488
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,440
how it's done. So if she's been you know, when

489
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,319
she at the time, when she was seventeen, it was

490
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,839
more like most kids that are seventeen more questioning, like

491
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,759
this is really what we're seeing.

492
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure she had all sorts of questions and

493
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,200
she's awfully lucky to have such a great dad. A

494
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,480
lot of parents I never would have told their kids

495
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,000
exactly what it was they were dealing with. So in

496
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,440
so many ways, you deserve a lot of credit, you

497
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:51,440
really do. You didn't camp overnight for six years after

498
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,880
all those experiences. When you finally did go back out

499
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,440
though camping, could you enjoy yourself or were you so

500
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,559
pure in a way that it just wasn't fun?

501
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:08,039
Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't seen as far as enjoying it.

502
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:12,920
I tried to enjoy it as much as I could.

503
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,359
You know, there was there was enjoyment there, But it's

504
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,759
always in the back of your mind. There's not too

505
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:20,720
many days that go by that I don't think about

506
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:22,920
this thing. It's always in the back of your mind.

507
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,680
And even when I went camping, I went armed. I

508
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:33,279
was prepared, so if I did see or hear anything,

509
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:36,920
I didn't. I've always been a very light sleeper, unfortunately,

510
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:43,680
even today, my son said, it's a genetic thing that

511
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,720
we have in our family. We can go long periods

512
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:49,759
of time functioning at high levels with no sleep. So

513
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,519
it's a gift and a curse because when you want

514
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:56,319
to sleep, you can't. But going camping, it was the

515
00:32:56,359 --> 00:33:03,440
first The first time was a little less enjoyable. Each

516
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:11,759
time was a little bit more enjoyable after that, but

517
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,759
still it's always in the back of your mind. You

518
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:18,400
have enough here that you carry with you that no

519
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,400
matter where you're hiking, that if you need it, you've

520
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:20,759
got it.

521
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, after having the experiences that you've had, Yeah,

522
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,400
I'm sure it always is in the back of your

523
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,039
mind anytime that you're out there doing that. Did you

524
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:33,200
start camping again? More so to prove a point the

525
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,279
point that you weren't going to be frightened out of

526
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,400
the woods, kept from doing what you love to do,

527
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,799
I eat camping. Or did you just go out because

528
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,759
you wanted to enjoy the woods again the way you

529
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,720
used to enjoy the woods before you have these experiences.

530
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,079
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit of both. You know, my son

531
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,440
and I, as he got older, he would take a

532
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,960
walk in the woods just so he could talk to me,

533
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,599
tell me about school, tell me about his future plans,

534
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,400
tell me about his dreams. And I always went armed,

535
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:16,079
always forty four bag or bigger each time. And having

536
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,119
done that, I thought, you know, the more we went

537
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,760
out weekly and I kept thinking, you know, I can't.

538
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,039
I'm not going to live in fear. I'm not gonna

539
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,639
And I didn't. I wasn't afraid, but it was something

540
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,119
I was more concerned about the kids. And when he

541
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:37,719
was you know, this was he was older. It's like, okay,

542
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,960
well let's give it a try again. I think it

543
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,239
was a senior year maybe that we decided to go

544
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:49,440
back camping again. But yeah, no, I was prepared, and

545
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,199
it was more more so so that I could keep

546
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440
enjoying what I loved because I said it was a

547
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,960
little bit of both. Not going to live in fear.

548
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,400
I'm not going to be you know, I'm going to

549
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,079
be concerned. I'm going to be aware. But I've got

550
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:07,960
to keep doing what I do.

551
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not lost on you. The most people

552
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,679
wouldn't have ever been able to do that. So, yeah,

553
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,559
that's a testament to your bravery, it really is. You're

554
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:21,840
convinced that the dog man you saw was corporeal. If

555
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,519
it was corporeal, do you think that would preclude the

556
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:29,039
chance that there's a connection somehow between it and all

557
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:30,599
those cemeteries in your area?

558
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,159
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it would preclude or occlude

559
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:43,760
or I think that when I say corporeal, I could

560
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,320
see it breathing. I know that. Linda Godfrey, when I

561
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,280
spoke with her and some of the books I've read

562
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,519
of hers, she spoke about a night watchman that on

563
00:35:55,559 --> 00:36:02,800
two occasions saw this thing digging in the cemetery. Could

564
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,400
this be both? Could it be both partially? Could it

565
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,719
be spiritual and real? Could it be coming from for

566
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,599
better words? Could it be some kind of I don't

567
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:19,119
want to come off sound and half crazy, but maybe interdimensional?

568
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:26,199
You know, I don't know, I have no idea. The

569
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,440
only thing I know is there are many cemeteries in

570
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,079
this five mile radius from where I live. And I

571
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:37,000
know that there was the five tribes Indians that lived here,

572
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,519
and there's been in some of the roads and paths

573
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:44,599
that are here, there have been now that was Indian

574
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,679
Indian pass So I don't know.

575
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: That's just one of those strange things about them. Another

576
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:56,599
strange thing seems like there is some there there, like

577
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:59,840
I said, between Indes and dog men, and it seems

578
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,519
like there's something there between cemeteries and dog men. What

579
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:06,800
that is. All we can do is guess. For some

580
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,239
time now you've kicked around the idea of trying to

581
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,800
bag a dog man. If you're actually able to successfully

582
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,360
do that, what would you do with its corpse?

583
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,599
Speaker 1: Burn it, burn it, bury it. I'm not in it for,

584
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,480
and I don't have to prove its existence to myself.

585
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:34,480
I know they're real. It's not something I want, not

586
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:38,920
something I want attention for. And I have come up

587
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,480
with some a very good plan. I just have to

588
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,039
be able to implement it. Night times aren't so good

589
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:49,360
for me anymore. To find maybe, maybe find someone to

590
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,199
kick around the idea with me, and other than I

591
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,519
got my son and son in law, they'd go with me.

592
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:01,400
But yeah, I just I want to do it, just

593
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,559
to make this area safer. That's it I have. You know,

594
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:08,199
if it if it's the same one that's hanging around

595
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,920
or a different one that's hanging around her. As I said,

596
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,840
we have great waterways and a lot of food. There's

597
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,199
a lot of deer, a lot of populations of smaller game.

598
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,719
But you know, maybe if I destroy one, maybe it'll

599
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,559
maybe they'll figure out that this is a no go place.

600
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,840
You know, let's not go there.

601
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,039
Speaker 2: I sure hope that thing is long gone and never

602
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,039
comes back, so you never have to cross that bridge.

603
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: That would be fine with me.

604
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: Were you disgusted when your son had his own encounter

605
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,920
with you at the gun club that day, or would

606
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,880
you say that another adjective would be a better descriptor

607
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:50,920
for how you felt.

608
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:55,639
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't disgusted. I was afraid for him.

609
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:04,480
You know. Maybe maybe it's you know, I said, it

610
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,920
scented me. That's what I felt. That it why it

611
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,559
showed up back at the house the first time, why

612
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:13,960
I showed up at the house. And maybe since you know,

613
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:18,199
he carries my DNA and perhaps my son, and I

614
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,559
was there too. Maybe that's why. Because I was there,

615
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,480
I just had my back to the to the field

616
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,920
and I heard this. It was a just a guttural sound.

617
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,400
It didn't last very long, but it was a guttural sound.

618
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,079
I really wasn't paying attention, like I said, I was

619
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:39,719
trying to realign without catching that underlying underwater line from

620
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,320
the windmill. Until he comes running over and he sprinted

621
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,920
over as quick as he could, and his eyes were

622
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,519
you know, to say his biggest saucers is about the

623
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:54,599
best way to describe it. But I was I was

624
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:56,119
afraid for him.

625
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: Oh I'll bet you were afraid. And the reason why

626
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,920
I asked about you possibly be disgusted is kids at

627
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,159
each of a lot of them their plate already as

628
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,519
it is. If you add seeing something like a dog mean,

629
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,639
on top of all what he was already going through,

630
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,239
being a kid that young, that really does add to

631
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,400
the load. So that's why I was asking about you

632
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,880
possibly being disgusted by having that experience.

633
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: He's had a lot on his plate, you know. As

634
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,280
I started to get worse, I had to tell him

635
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:31,280
about me, and he it's he and I have always been.

636
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,239
It's always been he and I. It seems like we've

637
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,360
always done just about everything together. When you know, teach

638
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,000
as on how to play football or catch a baseball,

639
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:44,519
taught him high ride dirt bikes, his bicycle, how to shoot,

640
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,599
you know these things. It's always been him and I outside,

641
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:51,199
hanging around, you know, taking walks, just like his older brother.

642
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,159
He wants to be just like his older brother. He

643
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,880
wants to follow in the same stuffs. And then when

644
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,719
he sees this, he had this knowledge of me, which

645
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:03,840
you know, there was a quiet there was over a

646
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,920
year there. Over the past year, I want to say

647
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,440
about every couple of weeks, he'd come running in and crying,

648
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:16,119
just putting his head on me, just because of what's

649
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:22,079
happening to me. And then he saw this thing. And

650
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:26,119
I had told him before, why I didn't. You know,

651
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:28,119
they wanted to play hide and go seek in the dark,

652
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:30,880
out in the field, and I'm like, no, nope, not

653
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,280
going to do it. My son and grandsons and granddaughters,

654
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,239
they were all going to go do this, and I'm like, no,

655
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,440
give your old grandpa break. Here. You play during the day.

656
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,679
That's fine. Everybody sticks together. That's cool. Let's not go

657
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,840
out there at night. It's just something that I'm not

658
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,440
even gonna you know, it's different than it's different now,

659
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,440
and him knowing that, and then I just told him myself, listen,

660
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,599
I'm the monster killer. I'll keep you as safe as

661
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,119
I possibly can't. You know, you'll be fine. I'll take

662
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:14,119
care of you. And he has, he has taken that knowledge,

663
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:18,440
knowing that he can trust me to protect him the

664
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:22,320
very best that I can and he'll be okay. And

665
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,000
that's helped.

666
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 2: Well, that's good, that's really good. It did help. And

667
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,559
he might or might not realize this, but that doesn't

668
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:33,440
change the fact that he really did hit the lottery

669
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:37,320
when they're handing out dads, because his dad really is amazing.

670
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: He really is, well I don't know how amazing, But

671
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:45,599
I sure do love my family. And you know that's

672
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,039
my job. It's my job and my it's not just

673
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:53,000
a job. It's something that I love doing and to

674
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:56,280
protect what is what has been given to me and

675
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,960
I will to my dying with I will protect my family.

676
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: Oh No, I don't doubt that whatsoever. Don't doubt that

677
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,719
at all. And that's just one of the many things

678
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,880
that makes it such a good man.

679
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: Thank you.

680
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Did you notice any profound changes in

681
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,159
his behavior after he had that sighting that were directly

682
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:18,559
connected to that sighting?

683
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: A few? You know, he was definitely more hesitant to

684
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,880
once it started getting once the sun was going down more,

685
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,679
and once the once it was past dusk, between dusk

686
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:38,960
that twilight time, he was less likely to go outside

687
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,599
and play around. You know, if if they were my

688
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,119
daughter and son in law, the family was out and

689
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:48,599
that we have a fire pit not too far from

690
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,599
the house, if they were all down there together, he'd

691
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,079
go out sit with them. That was different. But he

692
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,519
was not. He was not going to go down there

693
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,440
by himself. Not going to happen. There has been times

694
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,920
even that you know, he is, come and get me,

695
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,599
he says, Dad, I just uh, you want to We

696
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:10,559
have a I live in a barnaminium. It's rather big,

697
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,320
big rooms far apart. He come and get me. Hey, Dad,

698
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,159
I need to walk out to the kitchen. You want

699
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:18,599
to come with me? He said? I just don't. I

700
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,760
just don't. I just feel like something might be watching me.

701
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,760
You want to walk out there with me? He's never

702
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,960
been afraid, but he would like yeah, Well, I said, sure,

703
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,920
I'll walk out through it with you, you know, because

704
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,039
the lights are all off and you locked the back door. Yes,

705
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,840
I have a not only locked, it's also barred. There

706
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,360
is a yah. It's the uh those planks you put

707
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,400
in front of the door that keep anything from coming in.

708
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,400
There's three different locks on that door. Can't walk in.

709
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,199
Speaker 2: Well, I said it before and I'll say it again.

710
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,719
What a great dad. So many dads wouldn't do anything

711
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,519
close to what you're doing to help comfort him. So,

712
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:03,440
like I said, off, impressive. How about your fiance. You

713
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,960
told us about her sighting, But how well did she

714
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:07,280
handle it?

715
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:18,039
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, it is something that's on her state

716
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:23,960
of mind as well, when, like I said, when you

717
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,320
see this, it's something that you can't help but think about.

718
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,559
It's always in the back of your mind. It took

719
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:39,000
her several days basically just to calm down honestly, and

720
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:45,119
not calm down is not the right word, but to

721
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,639
get to the point to where her thinking rationally was

722
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:51,119
like you know, she came to terms with what she

723
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:54,960
saw because again she was in this this belief she goes,

724
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,360
I always believe you when we talked about it. She goes,

725
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,760
it's different when you have your own encounter, when you

726
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:07,079
see this thing for yourself, it's different. And she went out,

727
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,400
you know she's heard it. She heard a growl one night.

728
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:15,159
She went out, I have a basset hound that I

729
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,519
gave to my son, and it's red. It very, you know,

730
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:20,880
just it looks like a sawed off bloodhound. And that's

731
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,119
what she laughs about. Calls it a little sawed off,

732
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,440
calls her a little sawed off bloodhound because that's what

733
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,280
she looks like. And it was after it was before

734
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,400
the time changed back, so it was dark early. I

735
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:38,280
ate a clockish. She walked outside with the dog and

736
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:40,679
next thing I know, she comes running up the stairs

737
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,920
with a dog in through the door. I said, what wrong?

738
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,199
She goes, listen, She goes, we were outside. She goes,

739
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,559
I was letting the dog do its business. And she goes,

740
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:55,880
there was this sound, and she goes for better, for

741
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,559
the better way of putting it, It sounded like a

742
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,360
jake breake on a truck. And she said it was

743
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,440
not a truck. She goes, it grew in intensity, but

744
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,840
she goes, it was like surround sound. She goes, there's

745
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,960
something out there, and she goes the dog ran was

746
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,360
pulling her to get up the stairs. You know, she's

747
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,360
a little bit of a coward. And as I said,

748
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,880
being a basset hound, her tail was just about touching

749
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,440
her nose. That's off bar. She had it tucked under

750
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,639
her body and she was trying to get up and

751
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:26,480
get in the house as quickly as possible. This dog

752
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:30,119
was terrified. And when she goes out now she has

753
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,239
to go out at night. She carries a No. Three

754
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,079
fifty seven. When she came up and told me this,

755
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:41,400
I happened to have a magazine fed shotgun and I

756
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,719
put those dragon breath rounds that you've seen in john

757
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,360
Wick for the dragon's breath and buckshot in a drum

758
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,440
magazine and I told her, grabbed the spotlight and I said,

759
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:56,239
let's go. Let's walk out and find out what's there

760
00:47:56,639 --> 00:48:03,280
and probably see. I went back the next day with

761
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:09,159
my laser rangefinder. Turned out to be one hundred and

762
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,199
about one hundred and sixty yards. She saw eyeshine about

763
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,679
seven and a half feet off the ground and I

764
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,559
caught just a glimpse, just a glimpse. It was by

765
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:21,920
a tree, just a glimpse and she saw it before

766
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,440
I saw it, before she could tell me what she

767
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,679
was looking at. And then it was gone, just there

768
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,119
for a moment. The eyeshine was, she said, about a

769
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:35,199
and inches apart, So it was sizable. It wasn't something

770
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,119
small like a cat or a raccoon up in a tree.

771
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,280
This was something sizable. Didn't see anything else. But now

772
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,760
when she goes outside after dark, she's got that most

773
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,159
three fifty seven magnum with her.

774
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: It really is a shame that she has to worry

775
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,800
about all this. It really is, like I said before,

776
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,039
life is difficult enough as it is. I mean, you

777
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,039
had all this on top of everything else you have

778
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,679
to worry about in line on a day to day basis.

779
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,599
It just isn't right. It shouldn't be that way. That's horrible.

780
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,840
If you've had a Dogman encounter, I would like to

781
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,920
speak with me about it, whether I'm private or on

782
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,920
the show. Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit

783
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,639
a report. Did you almost feel guilty in a way

784
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,159
for your loved ones having their own encounters? Since it

785
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:24,199
would seem we don't know that it is, but it

786
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,880
would seem that there encounters are connected somehow, to you

787
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,079
having yours.

788
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I I've thought about that, and yeah

789
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,079
I have. What can I have done differently? You know,

790
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,280
this is this connected to me. All I can do

791
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,000
is tell them, hey, listen, I'm sorry this happened to you,

792
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,760
and I wouldn't wish this on anyone. And now I

793
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,719
have to prepare you for what comes next. You know,

794
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,280
this is what you have to do. You know, this

795
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:02,119
is what you have to realize. The monsters that we

796
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:07,360
are told aren't real, well in this instance they are,

797
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:11,239
and it opens up the doors to other possibilities of

798
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,639
things that aren't supposed to exist. So it's like knowing

799
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:19,800
that you prepare them the best you can. Let's go

800
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,400
out target shooting. This is what you grab. This is

801
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,719
what you get if something happens and I'm not here,

802
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,480
you know, when that time comes where I'm no longer here,

803
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,599
you know, these are the things you need to do,

804
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,679
and these are the precautions you need to take. Here's

805
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:39,440
phone numbers of people that you can call that I trust,

806
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,320
you know, there's not that many. I have this very small,

807
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,880
small circle, Like I said, my son all lives next

808
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,039
door and he's a bushcrafter and an excellent huntsman, and

809
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:54,679
I said, call him first, then we'll go from there.

810
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,800
I said, he has his own list as well of

811
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,880
people that he can call that he trusts, and I

812
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,599
have enough armament to take care of all of them.

813
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always good to have a really good circle

814
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,039
of friends and you can count on like that when

815
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:14,719
things go sideways. But unfortunately, you told us about the

816
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,159
people that you shared your experience with who told you

817
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,440
that they'll believe this when they see it. With that

818
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,480
in mind, does it frustrate you when those people told

819
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:26,199
you that or was a water off of a duck's back.

820
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:34,559
Speaker 1: At first, it frustrated me because I've never been a

821
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:39,760
person to lie. That's not who I am. But then

822
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,239
I thought about it, and I realized that if you

823
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,639
would have told me the same thing all these years ago,

824
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,559
you know, if you would have told me the day

825
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,559
before that these things are real, I would have just

826
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:56,000
laughed and said, yeah right, and I would have said

827
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,960
the same thing, I'll believe it when I see it. Well,

828
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,480
I did see it, and I do believe it. And

829
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:06,679
as I said in the past, you know, if that's

830
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,119
what it takes for you to believe, I hope you

831
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,880
never believe. I hope it's something you never see. I

832
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,800
just want to make you aware that way, if you

833
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,000
hear something when you're out camping, or unless you went

834
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,320
on a night hype or less, you're just out late

835
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,480
playing golf and you're just getting off the course as

836
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,199
the sun's going down, and you hear something that you

837
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:32,960
don't think you've ever heard before, that the story may

838
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:36,239
help you find the answer that you're looking for.

839
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: You're a good man for feeling that way, because most

840
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,920
people wouldn't feel that way. They would give anything for

841
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,519
these doubters to have their own experiences so they could

842
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,760
almost in a way rev it in. So, like I said,

843
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,880
good man, you're not just a dog me and eye witness, Brian,

844
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,679
you investigate them too. And with that in mind, what

845
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,440
would you say has been the hardest lesson I've learned

846
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,400
while you've been out on a field investigation.

847
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: Just when you think that you you know, I've I

848
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:19,880
have mapped out locations of sightings longitude and latitude, longitude

849
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,559
and latitude, and then you know, penning these sights out

850
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,920
and then going to see for myself, you know, knowing

851
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:32,840
that these things, these things move very quickly, and they're

852
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,159
not always in the spot you hope that they would be.

853
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,239
You know, I spoke to you and told you about

854
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,880
how fast they move. We've heard other stories, and I've

855
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,440
read stories from other people and their experiences where they

856
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,800
said it's kept pace with a car at fifty miles

857
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,639
an hour. Kept pace with a car fifty miles an hour,

858
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,880
it could have ran faster. I can tell you is

859
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,480
when you break that down, that's twenty four point four

860
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:09,280
yards per second. So even when I'm out in the

861
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:16,840
field looking for these things, you get a little you're

862
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:22,239
on edge. You know, you're hoping you see one. At

863
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,599
the same time, you're hoping that you're prepared when you do,

864
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,639
because for the average person to react like someone's in

865
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:32,599
a car accident, the facet that they react is a

866
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:35,960
second and a half. This thing's closer than twenty yards.

867
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,880
I'm dead before I could even react. So I'm hoping

868
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,760
that when I'm out there looking for these things, that

869
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,159
I at least have a little bit of a chance

870
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:49,280
and maybe I can see it a little further away

871
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,199
than twenty four to twenty five yards. You know, it

872
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:54,840
gives me a chance to set up and be ready

873
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,039
and say are here a puppy?

874
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: What you just touch that brings to mind something I

875
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,760
keep pointing to and I shout to the heavens about

876
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,440
there are so many people who take firearms out into

877
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,480
the woods with them looking for these guys. And maybe

878
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,400
they're heading into the woods doing something else, not actually

879
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,119
looking for a dog man, but they've got this idea

880
00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:21,159
that by having a firearm they're protected. Like you said,

881
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,639
I mean, think about how far they can go in

882
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:28,360
the amount of time that it takes you to just respond.

883
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:32,480
If that's the case, which it is, it doesn't matter

884
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,480
what kind of a firearm you have on you. They

885
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:37,559
can dispatch you at will before you could ever draw

886
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:41,000
down on them. So I don't care how powerful if

887
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,199
a firearm you have on you, If they want to

888
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:46,159
really take you out, they can do so. Will you

889
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,119
can't stop them?

890
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: No, No, The only thing you can do is is

891
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,320
the area around here is where I've had my own

892
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,480
encounters and seen them more than once. As I have

893
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,960
a couple of areas that I can actually have a

894
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:10,760
natural funnel with a stone ridge behind me, and I

895
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,960
have a couple of ideas want to draw them in.

896
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,599
One is I've had people say they respond to dog

897
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:18,400
whistle high pitch. The other one is infrasound, which I

898
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,360
have an infrasound generator, and I can broadcast on a

899
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,800
wireless a wireless speaker or wired it. Either way I decide,

900
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,760
it's up to me. But then set up. My goal

901
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,360
was to set up strobes, high intensity strobes at thirty

902
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,199
five yards that had trip wires set at eight inches,

903
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:43,320
three feet and six feet, so that way, you know,

904
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,480
if I can draw them into this funnel. You know,

905
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:47,400
if they hear this and they want to come that

906
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,840
they'll trifty strobes. First, I have a flamethrower, a fifty

907
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,639
BMG and a couple five hundred smiths. Nothing likes to

908
00:56:55,639 --> 00:57:01,079
be burnt, Nothing likes fire, and I can set this

909
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,760
thing on fire and take the rest from there. That's

910
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,719
if I can draw it in. That was my plan.

911
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,239
Other than that, if you're just out looking for these

912
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,360
things and you're hiking along, you're right, you don't have

913
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:16,960
a chance. You don't have that opportunity having a couple

914
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,840
of people with you. I sure wouldn't go alone. That

915
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,519
would be helpful because someone else may hear something you don't.

916
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:25,960
Someone else may see something that you don't. Someone else

917
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:27,920
might be smart enough to say, hey, listen, the woods

918
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,320
are now deadly quiet. Let's get out of here. And

919
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,320
that's probably good too, because when the woods go quiet,

920
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,679
there's no noise, there's no birds, there's no crickets, there's

921
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:41,239
no nothing. You're not the biggest predator in the woods anymore. So,

922
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:46,159
not only is your adrenaline running, it's you have a

923
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:48,920
tendency to get something called tunnel vision when that happens,

924
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,960
and a lot of times it's better off to pull

925
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:56,519
out and go again another day. There's always another day.

926
00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: That's really good advice, Yes there is. Now. I'm not

927
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,920
trying to judge you with this next question. I'm just

928
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,639
trying to pick your brain here to get a good

929
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:10,719
feel where you're coming from on this. Randomly seeing a

930
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,199
dog man is one thing, But how much thought have

931
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,920
you put into the fallout that would resolve if things

932
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,079
happen to go sideways on one of these investigations you go.

933
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:28,199
Speaker 1: On, Yeah, you know, I've thought about that. I thought

934
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:31,559
about that many times. You know, I can only I

935
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:36,920
can only live by example. You know, when you when

936
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:41,639
you fear, when you're afraid, is when you have to

937
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:45,480
have the most courage to do things even when you're afraid.

938
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:51,360
That's the testament I lead back to my family. You

939
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,280
might be afraid, but you've got to you've got to

940
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,920
push past that fear and if it gets me, so

941
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:59,239
be it. You know, so that your dad was out

942
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:02,199
there doing something that I believe to be the right

943
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:06,239
thing to do, and you know, you guys may be

944
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,199
able to take it to the next level. And if not,

945
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,000
that's okay. Just don't let fear of your life. And

946
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:18,519
that's you know, when you are the most afraid, that's

947
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,280
when you have to let courage prevail. And that's what

948
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,639
I would tell my family.

949
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,199
Speaker 2: Well, that's admirable. It'd be one thing if you're out

950
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:31,480
there trying to look for dog men for trivial reasons.

951
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,519
But you're doing this because he said, you want to

952
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,400
protect your family. You want to just remove the threat

953
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:40,360
if that dogman is still around. I don't think you're

954
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,760
going to be able to do that, and I wish

955
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,880
you would stop trying to do that because of the

956
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,199
possible harm, well because of the definite danger you're putting

957
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,880
yourself in by trying to do that. But you're a

958
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,519
grown man. You can obviously do what you want to do,

959
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:59,880
and I mean, God help you if things do go sideways.

960
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,719
I really hope they don't. But like I said, you're

961
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:04,559
a grown man. You can do what you want to do.

962
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,800
You've got your own priorities. I'm not anyone. I'm not

963
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,119
in any place to judge you for that, So right,

964
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:11,960
it is what it is.

965
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,199
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I appreciate your worrying about me. Pick

966
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,639
you know, I I worry about myself half the time,

967
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:25,119
doubt myself half the time too. Ah, you know, but

968
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:29,519
you know, if we're if there is even a slim chance,

969
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,800
a slim chance that I can stop this thing, just

970
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,639
that there's if there's one, or if there's more than one,

971
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,960
you know, especially if there's one, and maybe I can

972
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,159
stop it and prevent others from coming, you know, when

973
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:49,199
they find out that what they're looking for they're not

974
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:54,559
going to find here, no, so to speak, Maybe I can,

975
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:58,199
Maybe I can't, you know, And I said, I my

976
01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:01,559
my night times are becoming much more difficult. So how

977
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,480
many more nighttime investigations I'll be able to do? Or

978
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,519
even set up this trap the way I want to

979
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,840
may not be something I even get the opportunity to

980
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:15,880
do somebody else. If I can, you know, if I

981
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,920
can speak to somebody else and that's something that they

982
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,119
want to try, well that's it. Have to have the

983
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,880
same reasons behind it as I do. Have to have

984
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,960
the same, the same understanding that I do, not for,

985
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,559
not for anything else, but to d get rid of it.

986
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:38,480
That's it. Anything else is anything else is self serving.

987
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:42,960
So to speak, no, no, no publicity, no, none of

988
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,119
that stuff. Just kill it, burn it, bury it, be

989
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:46,719
done with it.

990
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:50,519
Speaker 2: I know it's not lost on you that I don't

991
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,400
think you can do this. I don't think you can

992
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,960
actually kill a dog man like that. My whole standpoint is, gosh,

993
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,840
I hate the idea. I don't want anything bad to

994
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,920
happen to you. I hate the idea of you putting

995
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,360
yourself in a position where it will wind up possibly

996
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,000
killing you because you're out there trying to kill it

997
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,840
in a situation where it's a no win situation for you.

998
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,760
There's no way you will be able to successfully kill

999
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,599
this thing. So that's why I'm so concerned about you.

1000
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,519
That's where I'm coming from. If there was any doubt

1001
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:22,679
whatsoever in your mind, where I was coming from, on this.

1002
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:26,639
Speaker 1: Oh no, no doubt at all. And you know, I'm

1003
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,039
like I said, I have read many accounts. I have

1004
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:38,840
many many books on people's some people shooting it and

1005
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:45,840
taking direct fire. I don't know. I don't know that

1006
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,519
it can be code or not. I have no idea.

1007
01:02:48,519 --> 01:02:54,800
I'm using weapons that should kill anything and then some.

1008
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,440
But again, will I be able to maybe I don't know.

1009
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,360
Maybe it'll know it, maybe you will know that I'm

1010
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,119
out to kill it. Maybe it won't show up good possibility,

1011
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,440
you know, like I said, A fifty BMG, Well they

1012
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,039
can go just buy anything on a planet. But I

1013
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,159
don't know why. And I said, if this is more

1014
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:23,400
of a spiritual or demonic type of creature than no,

1015
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,760
not at all. And it's very possible that's what these

1016
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,800
things are. I know the Indians have I have spoken

1017
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:37,400
of these things. As I said, I believe that they

1018
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,400
they may walk in and out of dimensions. I don't know.

1019
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:46,280
I have no idea. You know, there's so many theories

1020
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,440
of thought, theories of their existence, theories of what they

1021
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,559
are and where they come from. You know, everybody has

1022
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:56,039
their own theory, and I have read many of them,

1023
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:59,679
and I don't even know where to begin. And as

1024
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:02,000
I said, I don't know that I'll be able to

1025
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,599
get out and do too many more. I said, night

1026
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:09,960
times are a bit more difficult. They're a little harder

1027
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,960
for me to be able to go out anymore. My

1028
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:18,079
mind starts to slide a bit. So you know, yeah,

1029
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:19,199
I mean I'd be able to do it.

1030
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: Well, you know we're praying for you, We really are.

1031
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,199
Speaker 1: I know that I appreciate that.

1032
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,679
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome, wouldn't have it any of the way. Well,

1033
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:31,719
I haven't said that, Brian. It's about time for us

1034
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,519
to get out of here. But before we do, do

1035
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:35,320
you have any closing comments you want to put out

1036
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:35,920
there for us.

1037
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: I would say that all those things you don't exist,

1038
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:50,159
that you don't think exist, give them at least the

1039
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:55,239
respect of the possibility that they exist. I can tell

1040
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,719
you with certainty, certainty that document exists. I can tell

1041
01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:04,280
you that because I've seen it as anything else out

1042
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,519
there that could be real. Absolutely, especially when we have

1043
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,039
an understanding. You know, people don't spend as much time

1044
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:14,440
in the woods like they did, you know, one hundred

1045
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,360
and fifty years ago when they hunted for their food.

1046
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,960
So just be aware, just be aware of your surroundings,

1047
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,320
be aware of what might be out there when you

1048
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,480
hear the If you're out hiking and you hear the woods,

1049
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:32,360
go silent, backtrack and just be careful. That's all I

1050
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,920
can say. Be careful, don't be you know, don't stop

1051
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,760
doing what you love, but just be aware that these things.

1052
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:42,480
You know, I know that dog wodn't exist, and there's

1053
01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:45,400
a possibility of a lot of other things existing. So

1054
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:46,239
just be aware.

1055
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,039
Speaker 2: That's all really good advice, it really is. And Brian,

1056
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:53,159
I'm sure it's no secret that I hope you never

1057
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,000
see that dog mean again, I really hope you never do.

1058
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,039
But if you do wind up seeing it, I hope

1059
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:01,599
things go to your I really do.

1060
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: I hope I never see one. I'd be fine with

1061
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,639
never see any one again, and saying with my family,

1062
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:08,559
I would be happy if they never saw another one.

1063
01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:09,480
I'd be okay with that.

1064
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would definitely be a good thing. But having

1065
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:16,280
said that, thanks again so much for your time, Thanks

1066
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,199
so much for coming back on to do this, Q

1067
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,400
and A. I really do appreciate it. Of course, I

1068
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,880
do wish you the best, and if you ever need

1069
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,440
my help for anything, please.

1070
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:28,079
Speaker 1: Let me know all right. I well, thank you Vick

1071
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:29,639
oh you're welcome.

1072
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:54,599
Speaker 2: Thanks again so much, and have a great night.