Speaker 1: Welcome to spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
Speaker 1: covering Foundation season two, episode seven, a Necessary Death.
Speaker 2: Welcome to spacing Out.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Speaker 3: Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a
Speaker 3: time and spoiler free. This is our first watch of
Speaker 3: the series, and we're not watching ahead, so we don't
Speaker 3: have any spoilers to give other than maybe occasionally a
Speaker 3: reference of books, but that's it. In this episode, Salvor
Speaker 3: begins to question the metallics motives, ober Mallow's proposal to
Speaker 3: the Spacers meets Resistance, and brothers Constant and poly stand
Speaker 3: trial started going with the These shorter descriptions kind of
Speaker 3: leaves a lot out. But you guys watched the episode, right.
Speaker 1: Vibe check? Did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 2: I liked it. It was fun. We got to learn
Speaker 2: more about those Spacers and the people who run those
Speaker 2: jumping ships, and the scheme got exposed and the new
Speaker 2: Queen was up to her own shenanigans.
Speaker 3: It was good.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It maybe didn't leave me as excited
Speaker 3: as the last one did, but I mean I definitely
Speaker 3: get touched on all the storylines. And the tensions growing
Speaker 3: and all of them. I feel like, so.
Speaker 1: Trivia time, what facts or news could we uncover for
Speaker 1: a Necessary Death?
Speaker 3: All right? So Foundation Season two, Episode seven, Necessary Death
Speaker 3: originally aired on August twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. Written
Speaker 3: by Eric Carrasco and David Cobb, directed by Mark Conderai.
Speaker 3: Both of these writers are kind of known for doing
Speaker 3: a lot of DC Comics stuff, and Eric Carrasco is
Speaker 3: known for the animated series of Twilight of the Gods,
Speaker 3: which created alongside Zack Snyder. And then there's a when
Speaker 3: the Clerics are on trial, so Polyverisov offers brother Day
Speaker 3: and atomic astray as a gift. Like I said astray,
Speaker 3: I mean ash tray. So in the books, in the
Speaker 3: books they talk a lot about nuclear power, I think
Speaker 3: because it was the nineteen fifties and that was like
Speaker 3: a big talking point. And that's the reason that the
Speaker 3: Foundation is so technologically ahead of the Empire is they
Speaker 3: have the secrets of nuclear power and they have all
Speaker 3: these little nuclear trinkets that they used when they're out
Speaker 3: spreading the word of the Foundation. So I think that
Speaker 3: was just kind of a little little easter egg to
Speaker 3: that because the Empire has not seen that interested in.
Speaker 1: It Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our
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Speaker 3: You ready to go into deep space.
Speaker 2: To dive into the wondrous, cavernous vaginal opening of the
Speaker 2: future Queen to be, because that's what happens in this episode, Adence, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what the hell?
Speaker 3: That's how those exams take place. I imagine.
Speaker 2: I bet that is a lot of it, Like it
Speaker 2: is back in like the time of kings and queens
Speaker 2: and women's honors and all that bullshit. They had a
Speaker 2: check to make sure that the hymen was intact, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was an audience. They even had like
Speaker 2: a gallery for people to witness them consummating the marriage.
Speaker 2: So it's not far fetched.
Speaker 3: Maybe the Empire was just like, this is actually a
Speaker 3: teaching hospital, so there's going to be students here.
Speaker 2: What a privilege to learn about the the royal uterus.
Speaker 2: And she like she's like celebrating this the first part.
Speaker 2: She's like drinking and saying, ha ha, look at me.
Speaker 2: He's so pissed that vein is popping out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so she's losing kind of this edge of
Speaker 3: control that she seemed to have had through this season,
Speaker 3: like emotionally, yeah, I'm definitely the stuff with her family.
Speaker 3: When she kind of shows her hand with Demersal that
Speaker 3: she knows who she is, I don't think she really
Speaker 3: gained anything from that.
Speaker 2: No, well kind of now Demersal is like aware of
Speaker 2: what she's aware of. She's like, oh, you do know
Speaker 2: a lot, like you are well.
Speaker 3: Informed, and she's clocked the threat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she clocked she like flapped back or
Speaker 2: like countered with, well, you know, I know that your
Speaker 2: family was taken care of the same way that I
Speaker 2: would take care of them, and that was like eluding
Speaker 2: that there's definitely Empire involvement. So she showed her hand
Speaker 2: in a way that made her really upset. She was upset,
Speaker 2: like to find that out for sure now and less
Speaker 2: worse words, and she kind of let Empire know like, hey,
Speaker 2: I had a family this, they were real people, and
Speaker 2: I know that you indirectly had a hand in it.
Speaker 2: And he's like oh shit. And then she's like I
Speaker 2: need a speak to brother Don because I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: have this motherfucker's old ass baby. She wants that young sperm.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And she called it a bloodless coup and I love that.
Speaker 3: But Don was not that on board either.
Speaker 2: So but he did it. He smiled, he was like
Speaker 2: into it. He's like, ooh, this is suicide.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He doesn't had much else going on. He's not
Speaker 3: going to be empire. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I feel like I'm hopeful
Speaker 2: for her endeavor of the stabilizing empire and getting her revenge.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody likes empire ring now.
Speaker 3: No, no one that I could see.
Speaker 2: No, Like they're loyal by default, Like even his soldier
Speaker 2: that's like on his mission to go to the outer
Speaker 2: reach is like we should like what like like overthrowing
Speaker 2: the government is one thing. What he's like, there's consequences.
Speaker 2: That's the only reason I don't do it. Like it's
Speaker 2: entered his mind and he's thought about it. He's like,
Speaker 2: I can do it. I totally can. However, like what
Speaker 2: about this? What about that he's thought of it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not that loyal. Yes's the best option? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: well he could go hang out with the foundation instead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and wow, Hobo mellow. I don't know his name.
Speaker 3: Because he's traveler.
Speaker 2: I don't know who is. What's his name hober Ober
Speaker 2: with an r okay, marshmallow, marshmallow. Anyway, he goes to
Speaker 2: these random coordinates and all of a sudden he's with
Speaker 2: the spacers and he has something to offer them, and
Speaker 2: he's like, freedom, girl, But the reality of it is, no,
Speaker 2: you're just asking for another, like another person to be
Speaker 2: dependent on. Real freedom would be we will give you
Speaker 2: the recipe. We will give you access to the mines
Speaker 2: or the the resource that you so desperately need, not
Speaker 2: give you little ales here and there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It reminded me of Deep Space nine with the
Speaker 3: those warriors that need the white stuff to live. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the dominion and their and their milk. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like, real freedom would be to be able to
Speaker 2: source it and distribute it, and to use it in
Speaker 2: a way that you see fit and learn how to
Speaker 2: live without it if possible, to slowly wean yourself off
Speaker 2: of this like substance, whatever it is, so you're not
Speaker 2: dependent on it.
Speaker 3: They didn't really pitch it that way. It's like, instead
Speaker 3: of being dependent on the empire for it can be
Speaker 3: dependent on us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they pitched it. And that's something like.
Speaker 3: No way to guarantee that we won't do the same thing,
Speaker 3: exercise control with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will try to lord it over you or
Speaker 2: control your your way of life in the same way.
Speaker 2: So I think that was really silly, Like, we can
Speaker 2: tell you how to do it, we can show you,
Speaker 2: we can give you the land or the whatever it is,
Speaker 2: however it is that it is, like created, that's not
Speaker 2: what you offered. So why would they take that offer?
Speaker 2: You stay with the evil, you know, not the unknown
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she did the math and she's like, no, it's
Speaker 3: a bad deal.
Speaker 2: This is a bad deal. And if I back out
Speaker 2: of the deal and I deliver you to my captors,
Speaker 2: I get to see my daughter. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: go see my daughter and I'll let them deal with you. Thankfully,
Speaker 2: Becky saved his bacon.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a little pet. This a little pet.
Speaker 2: And then he showed off what that with that ship
Speaker 2: can do in a way that they've never seen. That
Speaker 2: technology just blew their minds. I think that's got Empire
Speaker 2: a little nervous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I like, did Harry Selden did this go
Speaker 3: terribly wrong. Was it a bad calculation on him? Or
Speaker 3: is this working out how he thought it would? Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think he so. The Harry Sulden that's orchestrating
Speaker 2: all of this is the mirage, the illusion, the computer,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that computer.
Speaker 3: Is as adaptable.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it's as compassionate to the consequence
Speaker 2: of horbor Mallow being captured. He's not compassionate about Homegirl
Speaker 2: getting zapped out of a fucking existence. He's not compassionate
Speaker 2: about anything that the consequences of, like me sending you
Speaker 2: out to Empire and me sending you out on the
Speaker 2: secret space mission that you have no idea what it is,
Speaker 2: but you imporalize it or maybe he did.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Did we ever find out if Hobomelo knew what was
Speaker 2: going on or because we never saw him getting the instructions,
Speaker 2: that was all whispered right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was a cool reveal, But I mean
Speaker 2: it would have sucked if he got captured.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like, and then Homegirl getting tased to death?
Speaker 2: Is she dead? What's going on?
Speaker 3: I hope not, because she and Tober need to like
Speaker 3: bang it out if not, like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Right? That's the only interesting love triangle anymore, because that
Speaker 2: one guy with the scary blue eyes ended up being
Speaker 2: another guy who was actually blocking his brain from Salvar.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and poor Salvar. She's like, uh, just like
Speaker 2: Suss Mountain. She's like, I don't trust anybody. I can't
Speaker 2: feel anything. I don't like. They claim to be open,
Speaker 2: but I don't, like, there's nothing I can read from
Speaker 2: these people. And then the shrimps dying and screaming, fucking horrifying,
Speaker 2: fucking horrifying to boil them alive, that could like you.
Speaker 2: That shows you how little compassion they have for living
Speaker 2: things that aren't like them, Because if you had any
Speaker 2: humanity in you for living things, you would like flash
Speaker 2: freeze them or something so that they wouldn't like, so
Speaker 2: they would die quickly at least, and not boiled to death.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine being boiled to death?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like anything like lobster, some sort of device
Speaker 3: that just like you know, punctures their brain real quick, yeah,
Speaker 3: before you throw them in the boiling water.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, they're little. You can chop off their heads,
Speaker 2: you can do something. But she was eating the head first,
Speaker 2: to fucking eel. I like that they cut so you
Speaker 2: didn't actually see them eating them. You didn't see salve
Speaker 2: War partaking in that food or not. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of up in the air whether or not she actually
Speaker 2: took that bite or not.
Speaker 3: Sal War's vegetarian now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I kind of do understand the the argument
Speaker 2: that what about what about plants? Plants feel things, And
Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of a valid point. You
Speaker 2: shouldn't need anything, you should just die of starvation, minerals whatever.
Speaker 2: Let's like the human existence. I don't know, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know, is like a philosophical question that I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to have right before dinner when I'm fucking hungry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that kid brought them over there because they were hungry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know, I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: there has to be a balance with things like if
Speaker 2: this species is so rare and hard to find, maybe
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be fishing for it because that's like killing it.
Speaker 2: They said that it's a it was almost fished out
Speaker 2: of existence because of it's like color properties from one
Speaker 2: of the emperors before them, Right, that's why they're so
Speaker 2: hard to find.
Speaker 3: You don't remember that.
Speaker 2: She was like the tides, that's that's what they were
Speaker 2: talking about at the boats. Then we switched themes and
Speaker 2: they're at their little area and she's like, this place
Speaker 2: was built by Emperor so and so and he was
Speaker 2: fascinated by the pigment and he overfished them and they
Speaker 2: almost that's why they're so hard to find. And maybe
Speaker 2: it's something else that they were talking about, because it's
Speaker 2: so fucking hard to follow sometimes what the fuck they're
Speaker 2: talking about because it's all aliens speak and animals and
Speaker 2: bloody blah blah. But I don't know what makes you better?
Speaker 2: Like and like I would have been, like, what are
Speaker 2: we celebrating. We're they're obviously celebrating that they fucking killed
Speaker 2: Homeboy and that they got Homegirl drinking their fucking kool aid.
Speaker 3: And she didn't have that ship they have. They're supposedly
Speaker 3: searching it. Yeah, somewhere else. I was hoping that's what
Speaker 3: sal War is gonna find.
Speaker 2: No. I knew she was gonna find Harry. I just
Speaker 2: didn't think he was gonna really be dead. He looked
Speaker 2: so pale, Holy shit. I never thought he could look
Speaker 2: whiter but he did, and then Homegirls right there and
Speaker 2: she's like silence, and she's like fucking Saramon and like
Speaker 2: straight up murders her. And that's where it ends. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, is this the death they're talking about? Or
Speaker 2: was it the other Homegirl that got taste to death?
Speaker 2: Who died? Who's dying in this episode? A necessary death?
Speaker 2: Is the name of the fucking episode? What? Or is
Speaker 2: it Harry Selden?
Speaker 3: I hope it's Harry, and I hope the others are
Speaker 3: not dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm thinking that, like the psychic link between
Speaker 2: salv War and Gail is so strong that Gail's gonna
Speaker 2: know something's amiss. I hope, you know. I'm hoping that
Speaker 2: that's something that can like save Selve War because she's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite characters in this in the seat
Speaker 2: in this universe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's part of that vision with the mules.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Gail, what kind of visions are you having?
Speaker 2: Why didn't you visualize her drowning in a pool next
Speaker 2: to a dead body? But I think this Island is
Speaker 2: like putting their powers out of whack, So I don't know,
Speaker 2: we'll see very interestine episode A lot's happening. I didn't,
Speaker 2: And I like that the women are driving the story
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways because I hate seeing the
Speaker 2: men do it. They just suck.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like this was a lot more
Speaker 3: women led than any other episodes, especially Becky Becky girl Power.
Speaker 3: So most of this series pulls from the original Foundation
Speaker 3: trilogy from the late fifties, but I've been reading some
Speaker 3: of the sequel books and a big so the spacers
Speaker 3: have been mentioned in there. They haven't shown up in
Speaker 3: the book, but they've been referenced. So I didn't know
Speaker 3: that that's where those people came from. And then also
Speaker 3: the idea that the Foundation has a ship technology that
Speaker 3: other people want has also come up in the later
Speaker 3: books as well as well as robots. Right, And we
Speaker 3: even mentioned the Three Laws of Robotics in this, which
Speaker 3: is from Yeah, Isaac Gotzimov's other series that he eventually
Speaker 3: tied in the Foundation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of scary that she doesn't go by
Speaker 2: those rules anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she definitely said she used to be governed by
Speaker 3: them m meaning she can now kill your family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she will do it with the precition precision,
Speaker 2: precision precision that she is known for that is what
Speaker 2: she said, the precision, I am known for crazy crazy.
Speaker 2: It was a good episode. I like this one. I'm
Speaker 2: like wanting to watch the next one now, just.
Speaker 3: Three more to go in this season. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: an Astral queen.
Speaker 1: Astral queen, who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to sal War. She smelled something
Speaker 2: fishy and it wasn't the shrimp. Sorry, what are you
Speaker 2: going for? The cloud queen? It was loos moves. I
Speaker 2: think she had some boss moves while she was on
Speaker 2: a table with her vagow.
Speaker 3: Yeah. She definitely didn't allow herself to seem humiliated.
Speaker 2: No, which is hard because you're just sitting there with
Speaker 2: your fagile. At least they didn't make her wear a
Speaker 2: paper dress.
Speaker 3: I think I want to pick the spacer.
Speaker 2: Woman, the negotiator. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to remember what they called her.
Speaker 2: But she's like big mama spacer.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was like homeship one something of something home. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like the way she handled that.
Speaker 2: I thought it was cool that she could communicate telepathically
Speaker 2: somehow with her daughter. Yeah, that's crazy and I like that.
Speaker 2: The guys that have been working with her for all
Speaker 2: this time. Were like, I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker 3: Well, they should take more of an interest in her then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like what's your home life like? Do you
Speaker 2: miss out where you live, where your parents? You have
Speaker 2: a boyfriend, her a girlfriend, her a partner. Very interesting?
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I think that wraps up our coverage
Speaker 3: of this episode. The next one will be called The
Speaker 3: Last Impress. I don't like the sound of that, and
Speaker 3: thank you for spacing out with us. Remember, sometimes a
Speaker 3: little death is necessary. It's tell them right at the
Speaker 3: very end.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's still worse.
Speaker 1: She's so scary.
Speaker 2: I wonder the link are so bad. Okay, we're all done. Bill,
Speaker 2: does Gil really like?
Speaker 3: Sir?
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Speaker 1: episode eight, The Last Empress.