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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to spacing Out with BB and Jason this week

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<v Speaker 1>covering Foundation season two, episode seven, a Necessary Death.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to spacing Out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the

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<v Speaker 3>Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a

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<v Speaker 3>time and spoiler free. This is our first watch of

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<v Speaker 3>the series, and we're not watching ahead, so we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have any spoilers to give other than maybe occasionally a

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<v Speaker 3>reference of books, but that's it. In this episode, Salvor

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<v Speaker 3>begins to question the metallics motives, ober Mallow's proposal to

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<v Speaker 3>the Spacers meets Resistance, and brothers Constant and poly stand

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<v Speaker 3>trial started going with the These shorter descriptions kind of

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<v Speaker 3>leaves a lot out. But you guys watched the episode, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Vibe check? Did we like the episode overall?

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<v Speaker 2>I liked it. It was fun. We got to learn

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<v Speaker 2>more about those Spacers and the people who run those

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<v Speaker 2>jumping ships, and the scheme got exposed and the new

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<v Speaker 2>Queen was up to her own shenanigans.

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<v Speaker 3>It was good.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was. It maybe didn't leave me as excited

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<v Speaker 3>as the last one did, but I mean I definitely

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<v Speaker 3>get touched on all the storylines. And the tensions growing

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<v Speaker 3>and all of them. I feel like, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Trivia time, what facts or news could we uncover for

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<v Speaker 1>a Necessary Death?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? So Foundation Season two, Episode seven, Necessary Death

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<v Speaker 3>originally aired on August twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. Written

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<v Speaker 3>by Eric Carrasco and David Cobb, directed by Mark Conderai.

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<v Speaker 3>Both of these writers are kind of known for doing

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of DC Comics stuff, and Eric Carrasco is

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<v Speaker 3>known for the animated series of Twilight of the Gods,

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<v Speaker 3>which created alongside Zack Snyder. And then there's a when

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<v Speaker 3>the Clerics are on trial, so Polyverisov offers brother Day

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<v Speaker 3>and atomic astray as a gift. Like I said astray,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean ash tray. So in the books, in the

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<v Speaker 3>books they talk a lot about nuclear power, I think

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<v Speaker 3>because it was the nineteen fifties and that was like

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<v Speaker 3>a big talking point. And that's the reason that the

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<v Speaker 3>Foundation is so technologically ahead of the Empire is they

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<v Speaker 3>have the secrets of nuclear power and they have all

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<v Speaker 3>these little nuclear trinkets that they used when they're out

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<v Speaker 3>spreading the word of the Foundation. So I think that

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<v Speaker 3>was just kind of a little little easter egg to

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<v Speaker 3>that because the Empire has not seen that interested in.

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<v Speaker 1>It Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with

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<v Speaker 1>us through email or social media. We may use your

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<v Speaker 1>comments on an upcoming episode.

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<v Speaker 3>You ready to go into deep space.

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<v Speaker 2>To dive into the wondrous, cavernous vaginal opening of the

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<v Speaker 2>future Queen to be, because that's what happens in this episode, Adence, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell?

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<v Speaker 3>That's how those exams take place. I imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet that is a lot of it, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>is back in like the time of kings and queens

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<v Speaker 2>and women's honors and all that bullshit. They had a

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<v Speaker 2>check to make sure that the hymen was intact, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there was an audience. They even had like

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<v Speaker 2>a gallery for people to witness them consummating the marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not far fetched.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the Empire was just like, this is actually a

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<v Speaker 3>teaching hospital, so there's going to be students here.

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<v Speaker 2>What a privilege to learn about the the royal uterus.

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<v Speaker 2>And she like she's like celebrating this the first part.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like drinking and saying, ha ha, look at me.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so pissed that vein is popping out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so she's losing kind of this edge of

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<v Speaker 3>control that she seemed to have had through this season,

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<v Speaker 3>like emotionally, yeah, I'm definitely the stuff with her family.

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<v Speaker 3>When she kind of shows her hand with Demersal that

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<v Speaker 3>she knows who she is, I don't think she really

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<v Speaker 3>gained anything from that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, well kind of now Demersal is like aware of

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<v Speaker 2>what she's aware of. She's like, oh, you do know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, like you are well.

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<v Speaker 3>Informed, and she's clocked the threat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then she clocked she like flapped back or

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<v Speaker 2>like countered with, well, you know, I know that your

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<v Speaker 2>family was taken care of the same way that I

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<v Speaker 2>would take care of them, and that was like eluding

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<v Speaker 2>that there's definitely Empire involvement. So she showed her hand

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that made her really upset. She was upset,

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<v Speaker 2>like to find that out for sure now and less

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<v Speaker 2>worse words, and she kind of let Empire know like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a family this, they were real people, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you indirectly had a hand in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like oh shit. And then she's like I

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<v Speaker 2>need a speak to brother Don because I ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have this motherfucker's old ass baby. She wants that young sperm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And she called it a bloodless coup and I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>But Don was not that on board either.

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<v Speaker 2>So but he did it. He smiled, he was like

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<v Speaker 2>into it. He's like, ooh, this is suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He doesn't had much else going on. He's not

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<v Speaker 3>going to be empire. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just I feel like I'm hopeful

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<v Speaker 2>for her endeavor of the stabilizing empire and getting her revenge.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody likes empire ring now.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no one that I could see.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Like they're loyal by default, Like even his soldier

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<v Speaker 2>that's like on his mission to go to the outer

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<v Speaker 2>reach is like we should like what like like overthrowing

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<v Speaker 2>the government is one thing. What he's like, there's consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only reason I don't do it. Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>entered his mind and he's thought about it. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can do it. I totally can. However, like what

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<v Speaker 2>about this? What about that he's thought of it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not that loyal. Yes's the best option? Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>well he could go hang out with the foundation instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and wow, Hobo mellow. I don't know his name.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he's traveler.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who is. What's his name hober Ober

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<v Speaker 2>with an r okay, marshmallow, marshmallow. Anyway, he goes to

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<v Speaker 2>these random coordinates and all of a sudden he's with

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<v Speaker 2>the spacers and he has something to offer them, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, freedom, girl, But the reality of it is, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just asking for another, like another person to be

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<v Speaker 2>dependent on. Real freedom would be we will give you

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<v Speaker 2>the recipe. We will give you access to the mines

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<v Speaker 2>or the the resource that you so desperately need, not

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<v Speaker 2>give you little ales here and there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It reminded me of Deep Space nine with the

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<v Speaker 3>those warriors that need the white stuff to live. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the dominion and their and their milk. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, real freedom would be to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>source it and distribute it, and to use it in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that you see fit and learn how to

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<v Speaker 2>live without it if possible, to slowly wean yourself off

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<v Speaker 2>of this like substance, whatever it is, so you're not

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<v Speaker 2>dependent on it.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't really pitch it that way. It's like, instead

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<v Speaker 3>of being dependent on the empire for it can be

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<v Speaker 3>dependent on us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's how they pitched it. And that's something like.

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<v Speaker 3>No way to guarantee that we won't do the same thing,

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<v Speaker 3>exercise control with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we will try to lord it over you or

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<v Speaker 2>control your your way of life in the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that was really silly, Like, we can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how to do it, we can show you,

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<v Speaker 2>we can give you the land or the whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 2>however it is that it is, like created, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>what you offered. So why would they take that offer?

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<v Speaker 2>You stay with the evil, you know, not the unknown

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she did the math and she's like, no, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a bad deal.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a bad deal. And if I back out

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<v Speaker 2>of the deal and I deliver you to my captors,

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<v Speaker 2>I get to see my daughter. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go see my daughter and I'll let them deal with you. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 2>Becky saved his bacon.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, a little pet. This a little pet.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he showed off what that with that ship

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<v Speaker 2>can do in a way that they've never seen. That

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<v Speaker 2>technology just blew their minds. I think that's got Empire

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<v Speaker 2>a little nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I like, did Harry Selden did this go

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<v Speaker 3>terribly wrong. Was it a bad calculation on him? Or

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<v Speaker 3>is this working out how he thought it would? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he so. The Harry Sulden that's orchestrating

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<v Speaker 2>all of this is the mirage, the illusion, the computer,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think that computer.

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<v Speaker 3>Is as adaptable.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think it's as compassionate to the consequence

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<v Speaker 2>of horbor Mallow being captured. He's not compassionate about Homegirl

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<v Speaker 2>getting zapped out of a fucking existence. He's not compassionate

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<v Speaker 2>about anything that the consequences of, like me sending you

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<v Speaker 2>out to Empire and me sending you out on the

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<v Speaker 2>secret space mission that you have no idea what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but you imporalize it or maybe he did.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Did we ever find out if Hobomelo knew what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on or because we never saw him getting the instructions,

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<v Speaker 2>that was all whispered right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it was a cool reveal, But I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it would have sucked if he got captured.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Like, and then Homegirl getting tased to death?

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<v Speaker 2>Is she dead? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>I hope not, because she and Tober need to like

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<v Speaker 3>bang it out if not, like, what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? That's the only interesting love triangle anymore, because that

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<v Speaker 2>one guy with the scary blue eyes ended up being

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<v Speaker 2>another guy who was actually blocking his brain from Salvar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and poor Salvar. She's like, uh, just like

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<v Speaker 2>Suss Mountain. She's like, I don't trust anybody. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>feel anything. I don't like. They claim to be open,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't, like, there's nothing I can read from

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<v Speaker 2>these people. And then the shrimps dying and screaming, fucking horrifying,

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<v Speaker 2>fucking horrifying to boil them alive, that could like you.

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<v Speaker 2>That shows you how little compassion they have for living

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<v Speaker 2>things that aren't like them, Because if you had any

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<v Speaker 2>humanity in you for living things, you would like flash

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<v Speaker 2>freeze them or something so that they wouldn't like, so

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<v Speaker 2>they would die quickly at least, and not boiled to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine being boiled to death?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just like anything like lobster, some sort of device

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<v Speaker 3>that just like you know, punctures their brain real quick, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>before you throw them in the boiling water.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, they're little. You can chop off their heads,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do something. But she was eating the head first,

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<v Speaker 2>to fucking eel. I like that they cut so you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually see them eating them. You didn't see salve

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<v Speaker 2>War partaking in that food or not. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of up in the air whether or not she actually

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<v Speaker 2>took that bite or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Sal War's vegetarian now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I kind of do understand the the argument

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<v Speaker 2>that what about what about plants? Plants feel things, And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's kind of a valid point. You

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't need anything, you should just die of starvation, minerals whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's like the human existence. I don't know, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, is like a philosophical question that I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have right before dinner when I'm fucking hungry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that kid brought them over there because they were hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I don't know, I don't know. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there has to be a balance with things like if

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<v Speaker 2>this species is so rare and hard to find, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be fishing for it because that's like killing it.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that it's a it was almost fished out

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<v Speaker 2>of existence because of it's like color properties from one

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<v Speaker 2>of the emperors before them, Right, that's why they're so

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<v Speaker 2>hard to find.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like the tides, that's that's what they were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about at the boats. Then we switched themes and

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<v Speaker 2>they're at their little area and she's like, this place

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<v Speaker 2>was built by Emperor so and so and he was

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<v Speaker 2>fascinated by the pigment and he overfished them and they

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<v Speaker 2>almost that's why they're so hard to find. And maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's something else that they were talking about, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>so fucking hard to follow sometimes what the fuck they're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about because it's all aliens speak and animals and

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<v Speaker 2>bloody blah blah. But I don't know what makes you better?

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<v Speaker 2>Like and like I would have been, like, what are

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<v Speaker 2>we celebrating. We're they're obviously celebrating that they fucking killed

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<v Speaker 2>Homeboy and that they got Homegirl drinking their fucking kool aid.

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<v Speaker 3>And she didn't have that ship they have. They're supposedly

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<v Speaker 3>searching it. Yeah, somewhere else. I was hoping that's what

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<v Speaker 3>sal War is gonna find.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I knew she was gonna find Harry. I just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think he was gonna really be dead. He looked

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<v Speaker 2>so pale, Holy shit. I never thought he could look

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<v Speaker 2>whiter but he did, and then Homegirls right there and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like silence, and she's like fucking Saramon and like

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<v Speaker 2>straight up murders her. And that's where it ends. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, is this the death they're talking about? Or

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<v Speaker 2>was it the other Homegirl that got taste to death?

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<v Speaker 2>Who died? Who's dying in this episode? A necessary death?

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<v Speaker 2>Is the name of the fucking episode? What? Or is

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<v Speaker 2>it Harry Selden?

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<v Speaker 3>I hope it's Harry, and I hope the others are

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<v Speaker 3>not dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I'm thinking that, like the psychic link between

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<v Speaker 2>salv War and Gail is so strong that Gail's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>know something's amiss. I hope, you know. I'm hoping that

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that can like save Selve War because she's

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<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite characters in this in the seat

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<v Speaker 2>in this universe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she's part of that vision with the mules.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, Gail, what kind of visions are you having?

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't you visualize her drowning in a pool next

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<v Speaker 2>to a dead body? But I think this Island is

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<v Speaker 2>like putting their powers out of whack, So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see very interestine episode A lot's happening. I didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>And I like that the women are driving the story

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways because I hate seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>men do it. They just suck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I feel like this was a lot more

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<v Speaker 3>women led than any other episodes, especially Becky Becky girl Power.

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<v Speaker 3>So most of this series pulls from the original Foundation

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<v Speaker 3>trilogy from the late fifties, but I've been reading some

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<v Speaker 3>of the sequel books and a big so the spacers

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<v Speaker 3>have been mentioned in there. They haven't shown up in

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<v Speaker 3>the book, but they've been referenced. So I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>that that's where those people came from. And then also

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<v Speaker 3>the idea that the Foundation has a ship technology that

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<v Speaker 3>other people want has also come up in the later

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<v Speaker 3>books as well as well as robots. Right, And we

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<v Speaker 3>even mentioned the Three Laws of Robotics in this, which

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<v Speaker 3>is from Yeah, Isaac Gotzimov's other series that he eventually

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<v Speaker 3>tied in the Foundation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of scary that she doesn't go by

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<v Speaker 2>those rules anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she definitely said she used to be governed by

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<v Speaker 3>them m meaning she can now kill your family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she will do it with the precition precision,

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<v Speaker 2>precision precision that she is known for that is what

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<v Speaker 2>she said, the precision, I am known for crazy crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a good episode. I like this one. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like wanting to watch the next one now, just.

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<v Speaker 3>Three more to go in this season. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 3>an Astral queen.

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<v Speaker 1>Astral queen, who was the standout character in the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna give it to sal War. She smelled something

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<v Speaker 2>fishy and it wasn't the shrimp. Sorry, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>going for? The cloud queen? It was loos moves. I

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<v Speaker 2>think she had some boss moves while she was on

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<v Speaker 2>a table with her vagow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. She definitely didn't allow herself to seem humiliated.

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<v Speaker 2>No, which is hard because you're just sitting there with

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<v Speaker 2>your fagile. At least they didn't make her wear a

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<v Speaker 2>paper dress.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I want to pick the spacer.

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<v Speaker 2>Woman, the negotiator. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, trying to remember what they called her.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's like big mama spacer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It was like homeship one something of something home. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the way she handled that.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was cool that she could communicate telepathically

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<v Speaker 2>somehow with her daughter. Yeah, that's crazy and I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>The guys that have been working with her for all

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<v Speaker 2>this time. Were like, I didn't know you could do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they should take more of an interest in her then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, Like what's your home life like? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>miss out where you live, where your parents? You have

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<v Speaker 2>a boyfriend, her a girlfriend, her a partner. Very interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, I think that wraps up our coverage

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<v Speaker 3>of this episode. The next one will be called The

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<v Speaker 3>Last Impress. I don't like the sound of that, and

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for spacing out with us. Remember, sometimes a

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<v Speaker 3>little death is necessary. It's tell them right at the

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<v Speaker 3>very end.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, she's still worse.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so scary.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder the link are so bad. Okay, we're all done. Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>does Gil really like?

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<v Speaker 3>Sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for spacing out with BB and Jason. You

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<v Speaker 1>episode eight, The Last Empress.