Speaker 1: Hm, I walk street line, shackle change, Oh doesome gird
it's calling my name. There is no mercy and it's
been a tentery juice as the huge stream game Rango three.
Speaker 2: I'm here be.
Speaker 1: By Meda dies.
Speaker 2: Inside these walls, inside the wild and when the girls as.
Speaker 3: I'm hey everyone, and welcome back to Bloody Angola, a
podcast one hundred and forty two years in the making,
the complete story of America's bloodiest prison. I'm Jim Chapman,
and today I am going to bring you back to
the late summer in early fall of twenty seventeen, three
random shootings in the parish, along with one just across
the line in a rural area of East batman Bridge Parish,
seem to all be the work of one individual. The
four shootings resulted in the death of three men and
a fourth man miraculously survived. Now, the simularities in these
shootings were striking, to say the least. All were white men,
middle aged and up, and all were shot in front
of their homes. Eventually, Ryan Sharp would be arrested claiming
he was hunting people collecting hunting tags for the federal
government in a conspiracy involving the FBI, the US Navy,
the Louisiana State Police, and even the richest man in
America which I looked it up and in twenty seventeen,
that was Bill Gates. So the road to his conviction
would prove dawny as a trial, a conviction, and a
retrial would all have to be played out before these
families would get justice. And it all began on July
eighth of twenty seventeen when Tommy Bass, who was sixty
two years old, was found dead of a shotgun blast
in the driveway leading out from his carport of his home.
This was in rural East Feliciana Parish. This type of killing,
it just didn't happen in East Feliciana Parish. When you
saw homicide as a detective, it was usually tied to
a domestic dispute or a dispute in general, where you
had a suspect right off the bat. In this situation,
there were a lot of things going against the investigation.
For example, Tommy did not have any known enemies, He
was very well known in the community and very well light.
There was just no cause for the murder that police
could find. Also, the sheriff, Jeff Travis. He was newly elected.
This was his very first homicide since taking office nine
months prior. But fortunately Sheriff Trive had some pretty damn
good experience in these type of cases as it related
to one of his deputies. That was Chief Deputy Greg Ferries.
Greg was the former chief of police for the neighboring
capital city of Baton Ridge, and he was the very
first person that Sheriff Jeff Travis called to that scene.
But unfortunately, there was just not a lot to go
on with this shooting. Police knew that Bass was shot
with a shotgun at close range, it just seemed completely random.
So more than a month would pass before yet another
seemingly random shooting would occur in East Feliciana Parrish when
forty seven year old Buck Hornsby was shot twice while
exercising on his property. This was around seven point fifteen
in the morning, and this was on September twelfth of
twenty seventeen. Now, this particular shooting occurred just one and
a half miles from the murder of Tommy Bass. And
before I go into Buck Hornsby's situation for that day,
let me tell you a little bit about Buck because
I met him. He's a guy you can look at
and immediately say, this guy was an athlete in his
younger days. Heck of a high school football player, a
big guy, but not lineman, big, muscular, big, like a
running back. He was just a very strong country boy.
And he was also and still is very strong in
his faith. And these would both play a key role
in what's about to happen. So Buck wakes up and
as was typical for Buck, he was going to go
on a jog around his property, which on this particular
day when he woke up, his ankle was kind of
bothering him, and that would typically occur when the weather
would start to change. Maybe it was an overcast day
or something. And as we all know, you get a
little bit older and the bones start creaking a little
bit when you wake up, and sometimes they ache. And incidentally,
at this time, Buck is forty, I believe. But as
I said, his ankle was bothering him, and he almost
considered not doing his daily run at all. However, being
a guy who doesn't like to get out of a habit,
he just kind of said, heck with it. I'll walk
a little bit and I'll jog a little bit and
then walk a little bit when my ankle would start hurting.
And that's what he did, so a little bit of
a slower pace than what would be normal for Buck.
It was that slower pace that would ultimately save his
life here. So Buck takes off on his job and
he rounds the corner of his property, which is situated
right off the highway, and like most of us do,
he had headphones on. He was just kind of zoning
out on his jog slash walk right. The volume was
just low enough, however, that he hears the sound of
a vehicle seemingly pulling off the side of the highway.
Buck turns to his right when he hears boom, shotgun blast,
and Buck gets shot. He dives to his left and
boom another shot, this one hits him in the back.
And it's at this point that Buck kind of blacks
out for thirty seconds to a minute, and he comes
to realize a couple of things when he gets his
bearings about him, and he immediately realizes that he's struggling
to breathe, and his hearing was gone, and he noticed
he was covered with blood. Now he was shot near
a portable storage building that he had sitting near the
edge of his property by the road, and it was
fortunate that the building was even there. He was looking
to sell the building, so he puts it up for
sell by the highway so people would see it and
if someone's interested, they know he's selling it. But he
manages to roll underneath that storage building and it was
sitting a little bit off the ground on wooden blocks
or something. It was high enough sitting off the ground
that he could kind of roll underneath it. And at
that point he starts looking at although his sight was
not great to say the least, one of the pellets
had actually put his right eye out at this time.
So obviously Buck is fueled by pure adrenaline and he
goes into that survival mode and he makes his way
to a nearby house, but no one was home, and
somehow Buck manages to crawl nearly six hundred yards to
reach his uncle Leon's home. So his uncle hears someone
banging on the door and he goes to the door
and he sees Buck, who's yelling, somebody shot me. Get
me to the hospital, and that's exactly what they do.
His uncle loads him up, they head to the hospital
and when they get there. Buck gets taken back for
X rays and it ain't good. He was riddled with
shotgun pellets. Over fifty steel lodged after he had been
hit with one hundred and forty pellets all over his body.
To this very day, he still has some lodged in
the pleurisy of his right lung, which means those pellets
penetrated nearly four inches into his body. And an MRI
at that point gets ordered, and that's due to the
serious damage that was done to buck carteroid artery in
his neck. And later on, Buck would recall that he
requested the doctors not give him pain medication of any
kind because he wanted to be able to tell his
wife and kids that he loved them, and he wasn't
sure he would be able to do that if they
pumped him full of painkillers. The guy was a family
man right now. After that MRI was completed, it was
discovered that Buck came about a sixteenth of an inch
from bleeding out on that property. That's how close those
pellets came from penetrating that main artery. Now, being the
son of a pastor and a godly man himself, Buck
knew his survival was nothing thing short of a miracle
and was God's grace. He was actually quoted as saying
later on quote, sixty two feet that's how far the
assailant was for me when he shot me. And had
this person been just one sixteenth of an inch closer,
I would not be here.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Had I been in a constant jog in my ankle
was not hurting, I would have been only about twenty
feet from the road, and I would not be here.
God had his hand on me, and folks, I can't
argue with that at all. It is a blessing and
a miracle that he is still alive. So by this
point you have one person killed and another nearly killed
just a mile and a half away in that rural parish.
They were both white men, both middle aged and older,
and both incidents involved a shotgun that they were just
far enough apart. As far as the time frame, which
was a little over a month, that it was probably
long enough that police were not sure yet if these
were related incidents or not. Now, pretty much the same
as the murder of Tommy Bass, no motive was present.
Bug didn't have any enemies that he knew of, or
that anybody else knew of For that matter, there were
no witnesses to this other than Buck, just not a
lot to go on. Time passes, but not a lot
of time. Just a week later, on September nineteenth of
twenty seventeen, Carol Breeden, who was sixty six and also
the commissioner of Brack which is the Baton Ridge Recreation
District in Baton Ridge, Louisiana, he was shot and killed
outside of his home while spring we killer. So according
to his family, the day started out as a normal
day September nineteenth, twenty seventeen, but it would eventually become
anything but normal. He and his wife had just returned
from a cruise, and as is typically done when you
return from a vacation, there's a lot of work to do, right,
you got closed a wash, you've got unpacking to do,
and of course when you go on a cruise for
a week or two weeks or whatever it was, you've
probably got a lot of yard work to catch up on.
And that was the case with the breeding. Now, mister
Carroll Breeden, he just finished cutting the grass and he
was in the process of spring the ditch with that
weed killer, and Miss Breeden, she was inside. She had
their two year old granddaughter with her, and she hears
two loud pops. Now, initially she thought the lawnmower had backfired.
That was her first inclination. However, she quickly remembered, wait
a minute, he was not on the lawnmower. He had
already cut the grass. He was supposed to be springing
that ditch in the front of the house with weedkiller. Now,
at this time, her twenty five year old grandson was
also at the house. So she goes and she tells
him something's not right. Something happened that she heard two
loud bangs, And they all go out of that house
together and they see Carol Breeden lying on the ground
in that yard. He had been shot in the back
with a rifle. Now, the place where mister Breden's body
laid and where that pumps prayer was that he was
using to kill those weeds, they were about twenty yards apart,
and that likely meant that mister Breeden actually saw the
shooter and ran a pretty decent distance of way before
he got shot. This was the third shooting in the area,
and a couple things would create some difficulty for investigators
at this point in the investigation first mister Breeden, even
though he was really really close to the parish line
of East Feliciana, his property was located in East Baton
Ridge Parish. So different investigators, right, completely different team working
on this. Sometimes that can create some slight issues, although
in this case these folks did work together. The investigators
from East Feliciana actually contacted the investigators from East batnerg
Parish and said, hey, we've had some incidents, some shootings
and some front yards over here, and we would like
to get involved to make sure these aren't related. Now,
the second thing that was strange about this situation was
mister Breeden was shot with a rifle, not a shotgun,
which was used in the first two incidents. And that
is super rare in instances like this, where the same
person would completely change a murder weapon. You just did
not see that happen. Usually it's the same weapon every time.
Not unheard of, but rare. So even though these incidents
occurred really close together, and when I say these incidents,
I'm referring to buck Hornsby shooting and the shooting involving
mister Breeden, there were still questions as to whether they
were related. Or what seemed more likely at this point,
considering the murder weapon change, maybe a copycat was out
there somewhere. Police at this point just were not sure.
Hopefully you're keeping up. At this point, you have Tommy
Bass shot with a shotgun, and the load used in
that case was butck shot. Then you have Buck Hornsby,
also shot with a shotgun, but the load used was
not buckshot, it was a little lighter load. Then you
have the killing of mister Breeden, who was shot with
a rifle. Now what's most disturbing at this point is
that all these men are very well respected, very good people.
Everyone who knew these people just absolutely loved them. They
were family men, they were fathers, they were husbands. It
just didn't make any sense that any of them would
get shot, much less killed. And the randomness of all
of this made the investigation even more difficult. And that
brings me to October ninth of twenty seventeen, which was
just a couple of weeks after the murder of mister
Carall Breeden. And I'm going to tell you about forty
eight year old Brad di Franceski. So he was known
as Ranger Brad, and he was a camp rager at
Avondale Scout Reservation and just an amazing human being. This
guy served in the Navy. He was very beloved by
family and friends. Dedicated his life to scouting and teaching
young boys how to be men right. And he lived
at that camp, Avondale Scout Reservation in East Feliciana Parish,
And on October ninth of twenty seventeen, he was taking
care of lawnwork around that camp. Now, his wife was
just inside the home with one of their children, which
she homeschool, and she heard some loud pops and she
initially thought the weed eater had blown up, so she
runs outside immediately, so fast in fact, that she actually
sees her husband fall as well as seeing a car
speed away. And my heart just absolutely goes out to
this woman for what she must have seen. Ranger Brad
was shot at four times, with three shots hitting him,
and a rifle was used in this case as well.
Of course, investigators from everywhere flocked to Camp Avendale as
well as EMT's medics, etc. But sadly, it was just
too late to save Ranger Bread And it was at
this point in the investigation that investigators knew these killings
were related. Then just hours later, police in East Feliciana
Parish they receive a call and it was a man
on the other line and he was fully admitting to
these shootings and he told them his name was Ryan Sharp.
So that call ends and then police attempt to call
Ryan back. There's no answer that time. However, Ryan Sharp
calls the police back a second time and again identifies
himself as the one they were looking for in these
killings in shootings, and it was during these calls that
Ryan Sharp claimed he was collecting hunting tags for the
federal government. More on that later, but for now, it's
important to mention that the police had not released to
the public some things. They had gathered some information in
this investigation that they were holding close to their chest,
and this is common in all cases. There's some things
you don't release to the public until you absolutely have to.
And one of those things is that they had kind
of a rough description of the car they were looking for,
and it was a four door car, white in color,
and they were able to gather this information by reviewing
a bunch of surveillance video from businesses that were around
the areas where these shootings took place, so they kind
of had something to go off.
Speaker 2: Of at this point.
Speaker 3: So while some police were chasing down leads of cars
matching that description, several other investigators actually headed out to
the home of Ryan Sharp and they were able to
track down his address from motor vehicle records. And incidentally,
this is two days after the d Frienceskey killing, and
several officers were involved in this, including Chief Deputy Greg Ferries,
a lieutenant now John Johnson, who was the sergeant with
East Baton Rodge Parry Sheriff's Office at that time. And incidentally,
I have a connection to Lieutenant John Johnson. He and
I were high school buddies. We did some hunting together.
He used to pick me up for school every day
and drive me to school. Actually, and I can tell
you that when I found out he was involved in this,
my ear actually parked up. So if you're listening, John Johnson.
But getting back to these teams of detectives, they meet
outside the gate that leads into to the property of
Ryan Sharp, and they're kind of putting up a game
plan together of exactly what everybody's gonna do when they
go in there and when you know, as they are
doing this. What pulls out of the driveway of Ryan
Sharp's house but a four door white car. So the
detectives they see this and they give chase to Ryan Sharp,
and he actually eludes police for a bit, and you've
got like a legit high speed chase going on at
this time. Now, eventually Sharp ends up having a backtrack,
which he does and he runs car to car with
Chief Deputy Greg Ferries and some other police and everybody
pulls over and Fairies is the first person out of
the car. He draws his gun. He's issuing commands, you know,
get out of the car. Get out of the car,
firm commands. And it's important to note as of this
point there's a rifle on the passenger seat of Sharp's
car that Fairies can see. And according to Greg Fairies,
he could tell that Sharp was thinking about it, if
you will for a minute. And when when I say that,
I mean he's considering grabbing that rifle. But eventually he
figures there ain't no way he's gonna be able to
get that shotgun. And it's at this point Greg Fairies
cracks that door open, grabs him by the shirt to
pull him out. Jim did you see what happened in
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description of this podcast. Unfortunately, Sharp's shirt that he had
on was a tank top. So what happens when Fairies
grabs this shirt of this now known serial killer. He
goes to pull him out of the car, and the
freaking shirt slides right off of Ryan Sharp. So there's
Greg Fairies with the tank top in his hand and
no body behind it, which is kind of an O
shit moment for everybody. However, fortunately other police were there
and they were able to scoop up Sharp fairly quickly,
and they place him under arrest, and this nightmare is
finally over, right, they have this man in custody, and
it's all good from a policing perspective in this case,
at this point right now. Of course, you know it
always gets crazy from me, and what everyone would discover
was that in this case, this was just the beginning.
So I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna play you
the key points in the interrogation. And this is the
actual recording of the interrogation of Ryan Sharp, and you're
gonna hear the most bizarre story you have ever heard
in your life. Likely it's a little bit lengthy. It's
about forty five minutes in length, but you need to
hear this to understand the story from here.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, my name is Phil Cox, say missmill Yeah,
we're talking a little following and.
Speaker 5: So now we're in we're safely she headquarters. How I
didn't introduce this as Kevin Garrett. Uh, he's a detective
with each flicicityam share flowers.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: So so as I said before you follow me yesterday
morning listening and shouted you you were the uh son, uh,
the person who killed the man on how it shoot
you three mister different Chester, Yes, sir, and it wasn't
you go shot.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, why did you shoot it?
Speaker 6: When I fired into a big federal case and I
was supposed to feel so many times every year, every
so many years. Oh okay, I was given from permission
to state police during these times, I finally used eaily force.
Speaker 2: And by the navy.
Speaker 7: Okay, Uh when did when did you get the permission?
Speaker 6: I was on a phone call for two different you know,
two different age us to state leaves.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh the navy? What did you use to shoot
the man? My rifle? What kind of right? Just an
old salt rifle?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 2: What kind of old salt rock? Old three fifty three fifty? Oh?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 2: Uh? So what what brand is you know? Now? No,
it's old mm hmm, it's uh.
Speaker 6: But it's three fifty Yeah, I was supposed to when
when I feel it tag, I'm supposed to call and
turn it in.
Speaker 2: I'll pick the phone and call the sheriff for Oh
so that's why you called me? Yes, okay, I got you.
Uh uh? How many tags do you feel in the
last six eight months?
Speaker 6: I'm allowed to I'm allowed to shoot deer too through
the wild wife in fisheries, and I got a deer
down and they do qualify that as.
Speaker 7: Too, so, but what about people?
Speaker 2: Well, that's qualified as one get them.
Speaker 8: But I mean how many how many of you tags
you can filled on people?
Speaker 2: And I got a couple more? Who were those? I
can't tell you right this second.
Speaker 7: Uh I thought we were buddies.
Speaker 2: I don't have a long ducks on the road on them.
Speaker 8: Uh why not you get the report them like you're
supposed to or I'm supposed to the way all for
us to do it?
Speaker 2: Okay? Uh?
Speaker 8: Uh? If I were to ask you about specific events,
would you would you ask me truthfully?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 9: All?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: Well I was supposed I was supposed to. All this
goes back to this federal hotel. Okay, okay, Well, all
these people are on this big federal case. And when
I come on hooked, if I'm on hook h you know,
they start putting more people in there.
Speaker 2: This is agent in US, A big federal case. What
kind of federal case? Just a big one.
Speaker 7: You keep telling me what it's about.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just different agencies and stay police time into it.
Oh okay? And uh well in three fifty one rival years, Yeah,
did you ever shoot anybody else with it? Uh? Find
I pass? Okay, uh, and uh do.
Speaker 7: You remember how long ago that might have been just
a little while.
Speaker 2: I don't remember I shooting people just for the fillow? Yeah?
Where where was? Where was it at when you shut
him and get the trick the other other? Right? You
recall now, I don't wanna say right this saying okay, yeah,
you're supposed to call a lot of tags in one
at a time. Okay, I'm not from but if you ever.
Speaker 6: Tell you right now, I'm supposed to provide horses where
they call people or the horses that go out hotel.
If I tell you right now, I'm gonna lease two horses.
I don't know if you tie up. You familiar with
this case?
Speaker 2: So now.
Speaker 10: When you know he wor a safe police you know
that right he might he might?
Speaker 2: Uh did you ever every time you you fell a tag,
you've called it in? I have two? Or don't?
Speaker 7: Don't you don't get credit past?
Speaker 2: All right? When when was the last time of you
you shot you phil a tag? Know it's been a
little while, two three months? So okay? Uh?
Speaker 5: The uh?
Speaker 7: Well you know I mean we we're talking. M sure
you you be at forthcoming.
Speaker 2: I'm not going on from you. I know I'm on that.
I'm not.
Speaker 7: I'm just curious about about.
Speaker 6: The uh uh you know, I mean you put a
tea like this, you want let me ask, let me
tell you something.
Speaker 2: Sure not to cut you off.
Speaker 6: If you would have picked me up today in two
or three days, you were known about the rest of
the tags.
Speaker 2: I can't call in the tag.
Speaker 6: I got away twenty out, twenty out, twenty four hours
for plus to call in another tag.
Speaker 2: So I reported. I did report myself to the Sheriff's
bar m to call on a tag.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I took I took off.
Speaker 6: And you know if I if I wouldn't, wouldn't have
got picked up today. Two to three days from now,
all my tags were being filled.
Speaker 7: But you've already fiel some tags.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: What you said, you've already filed your tags. Yeah, so
did you call those in now?
Speaker 2: So why don't you let me know about them now
so I can put them down on you get credit
for him. Then I don't get my horses out of
the deal. Yeah you do, I do.
Speaker 7: I told you I weren't with state. Please, that's a
part of the deal.
Speaker 2: Wasn't me down for two more? All right?
Speaker 6: And if I have right now, I'm supposed to be
on a bureau right now, Okay, I don't use those
three letters. They don't like to use them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know you. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now I got two more, and once I get five tags,
it's supposed to be hooked.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: The bureau allowed me up to twelve. She gave me
four years, okay to fill them. But if I got
if I got five quick, they put it.
Speaker 2: You know, he would lock it in.
Speaker 6: I mean now, I didn't say it was one hundred
percent hue, but it would be locked in.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I want to get you credit for
him was uh what's the other two? I'll take the
other two? All right?
Speaker 7: What's the first one?
Speaker 2: Bass falls?
Speaker 6: And another fella uh on Pride on Pride Road, Yes, sir,
all right, I sir?
Speaker 2: What about that? What about the one on uh on
nine fifty nine down there horns be?
Speaker 7: You got shot a bird shot?
Speaker 2: I don't know buck? Did you shoot him? Now? And shit?
You just want you ain't gonna kill buck? Hunted with
buck with fine shot? Yeah? I didn't. I don't know
who I was shot around Pride yesterday. I don't know
what that was about that wouldn't nothing to do with me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well you told me that day on the phone
when you called him. Did you said that was bullshit
that you weren't involved in?
Speaker 2: Now now? I mean yeah, far than neardy. Yeah, well, at.
Speaker 7: Least you didn't try to take credit for somebody else
you'd work.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, ask you about Tommy pass?
What about it? Uh?
Speaker 7: How'd you how'd you do it? How'd you had you
feel tagged with him?
Speaker 8: You?
Speaker 2: I haven't called it in yet?
Speaker 7: Well, no, but I'm giving.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna You're gonna get credit for it because I
got it written down. Okay, how do I feel it? Yeah?
What's your mean for it?
Speaker 7: I mean, how'd you go about slipping up on it?
Speaker 2: Or whatever? I think I kind of have a little
work with It's a AGAs. I'm not sure. I rode
around nervous and I'll pull in there shot in hass Godwin?
How far away were you? Pirten? Close?
Speaker 7: Pretty close?
Speaker 2: And what did you use? Shot?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: Shot? What what was lovely with? You know? Buck shop?
What brand you know that? I don't know. I don't
have a good book shot sure? And then uh, what
what do you do afterwards you just left. Oh yeah,
I got out there. Where'd you go? I mean to loot?
Just went back home? All right?
Speaker 7: And then, uh what about in pride?
Speaker 8: I made the loop, went back down towards plank road,
back down toward But no, I mean, I meant, how
did you feel that time?
Speaker 2: I haven't called it in yet, I know, but God
got it written Down'm gonna give you credit for how
did I feel it? Yeah? What a rifle? Yeah?
Speaker 7: You just what you riding along?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, sir and seeing him out there?
Speaker 6: Okay, but to the best of my knowledge, I don't
know if you think knowing him aout the second lifetime
the next lifetime.
Speaker 2: Well, to the best of my knowledge, all these people, right,
I don't I don't know about it because i'd been
there so well, you know.
Speaker 6: But uh, let me ask you this, and I should
that that should be three. I shot a deer on
nine sixty on Homerosi's place. Now, I was supposed to
get qualified for two tags. You get two for deer, right,
That's what I'm supposed to get. Okay, I'll get it
two furth here.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put down arms benow. But deer on nine
sixty yeah, we get that times two now, so we're
gonna get credit for everything. The man on sixty three
by the boss Scout.
Speaker 2: Camp Helson.
Speaker 7: You were when you were coming down.
Speaker 2: The road, I mean, how did you find him? Okay? Truth?
Speaker 6: I had three on that roade, one close to bauck
Holmes's house. It was African American teuh man h the
telephone company. I wasn't gonna dare to shoot African American. Well,
we got no table right now with mis Mary Harris
with her aged sick, and UH. I went down further
between Nissan and Ahead head started school. They had another
guy there, but I was almost positive he's a cop.
He was cutting grass. I think I shot him years ago.
I think he was in the next lifetime. So I
passed him up, and well, if Austic had a old
man out there first, I think he's a vet. I
passed him up and then had another guy to cutting grass,
and I think he was a backer cop.
Speaker 2: I think I let him go, and I find I
went down there and picked the guy on him. He
was I was running out of town nor onally.
Speaker 6: What happens when I run out down on these tags,
they start picking people up close to him. I'm pretty
should have had one of my buddies already picked up.
I think state police had.
Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, I don't.
Speaker 8: Did you go with the man on shoot the tree?
He went, pasted him and passed him up two or
three times?
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah? Did you have anybody with you on anyone anything? Yeah?
I don't. I don't. I don't fill anybody in this
count Tennis. So how did you get that long gun
out the window while you're driving?
Speaker 3: Rolled?
Speaker 2: Running down? Start shooting?
Speaker 7: Did you you kept rolling or down?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm still moving pretty good shooting. I've shot out
helicopters before.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you used to really booting.
Speaker 2: In there, don't you? And it ain't the easiest thing
to do. So uh So nobody else gets any credit? No,
I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't put nobody. I don't even discuss this business
with anybody. Uh I was locked n the colonel, but
that was a new colonel. Now I'm probably not gonna
get locked on him again. I told I one told
you other letting stake please to get me out of here,
or either the Bureau or any agency. Only people I'm
getting me out of still the military, that's who you
been dealing with pretty much.
Speaker 2: I was under years ago.
Speaker 6: Uh, I kind of just I didn't show back up
while he's to other special forces.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: One time I was, Uh, I couldn't. I probably dirty,
been passing drug. Yes, I knew I'd be in the
brig six months. I didn't show up, and I did.
Speaker 9: I kind of ship mom serve with him. So you
now I'm trying to get back in with him, to
get back. You know, been back in Good Grace's room.
You were in the search, I guess not legally. We
were call it secret service.
Speaker 10: You use the same vehicle when you feel them, or
you use different ones.
Speaker 2: I used the truck on the first one in my
old lady's car and the rest of them.
Speaker 10: What kind of truck does she have?
Speaker 2: Because she just got that little white car. She didn't
have nothing to do with it. She was sleeping through
all of it.
Speaker 10: You what kind of truck do you have?
Speaker 2: My little Nissan to pick up? Okay? Orange?
Speaker 10: Is it Orange?
Speaker 7: Or town?
Speaker 2: Or town? Looking?
Speaker 11: Okay?
Speaker 6: Everybody everybody in town and notice me, I was supposed
to feel these tags I ever saw often. What I'm
trying to do right now is get back with the
military and when it's time to feel these tags because
I'm un hooked.
Speaker 2: I call on hooked every four years. Feel these tags.
I get hooked. If I get to go back with
the military, I go to ten of my business over there.
Speaker 6: I don't have to ride around my hometown and shoot anybody.
Right ten of my business over there. Whatever happens over there,
I come back. Nobody knows nothing. That's what I'm trying
to get back to.
Speaker 10: Did you know any of these guys that you feel
the tags?
Speaker 7: That you know?
Speaker 10: Anybody you ever ever shot it? You didn't want knew
a basketball, you knew him.
Speaker 2: It was buttered on for him to go.
Speaker 7: Okay, look at bureau.
Speaker 6: When we do the phone costs is the bureau. It's
another thing to say it's it's the richest man in
the country.
Speaker 2: It's uh, Special Forces, State Police is a ton of.
Speaker 6: People on the phone. I don't ask him to call out.
I just get a surprise call bad where it is
got you.
Speaker 8: Everybody's listening and they and they voted to bash needed
to go.
Speaker 6: Dal bath in these cases right here, in these big
federal cases, a lot of time, they don't want you
to kill a bad guy. They want you to kill
a good one. It's hard to believe Dale Bass was
the one they wanted. He's a good guy and he's got.
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong in his life. His brother, my cousin or whatever.
Kelly Bass, he's always been in out of trouble. He
probably should have been on it too. Uh. Two girls
from state police were stuck up for him, so that
time it was left.
Speaker 10: Have there ever been any more tags that that that?
Uh you feel not like I'm new to all this.
Speaker 2: Uh this is all raca. Uh nothing in the past
that slipt by the wait.
Speaker 6: We used to have this years ago before it was
just state police, not agents tied into it. They used
to pick me up and we used to go to
the federal hotel and.
Speaker 2: We pulled prisoners out. I'm telling my tags with prisoners.
Speaker 10: Is this the first non prisoners?
Speaker 2: No? No man?
Speaker 6: Once the agent's tied and as this has been the
wrong vivious, this is a daily case cop coming. I mean,
that's a serious But I'm trying to get right out
of there right now. In that hotel, some of my
family members are there, been in there a while.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: We got two families tied in Special forces in there.
When I'm trying to get special forces.
Speaker 11: Back on the.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: We also have a lampscope from the Marines in there. Ah,
this is one that uh, I was engaged to a
little girl about a year ago.
Speaker 2: Her daddy is in the Bureau, and uh this is
his grandson. Man.
Speaker 6: So uh this this hotel was? It was all right,
I guess you know nothing great about a federal president.
Speaker 2: But uh at they turned me in. Aht F I stick.
Speaker 6: What's happening on about straw one Bureau, one HC State place? Well,
I guess once after my I can start get tied
into it and I can't go home.
Speaker 2: Over one lady I didn't work with her, so she
went to show me who was the boss. She went
and got on her inmates. I ain't going and she
stuck them in a hotel.
Speaker 6: All the white men in the hotel have one leg
missing in their pencils. All the black men still upstairs
don't what they want to do. Were basically buy slaves.
Speaker 2: In that well.
Speaker 10: I mean.
Speaker 7: I got you down and getting your credit. You don't
care right now?
Speaker 2: You I mean I'm comfortably you need.
Speaker 11: Water now, I'm good, but you eat it all right?
Didn't put the way better than that heart bend man. Yeah,
well everybody treated you, okay, I ain't nobody bothered you. Hey,
I told you on the phone when I crossed.
Speaker 2: The past the tail, I ain't gonna give you no trouble.
When they pulled me over, I stopped out of the vehicle. Yes, sir, enough, sir,
I wan't work because that's exactly what you're talking. I'm
I'm gonna give you no trouble.
Speaker 7: Said you want gonna give the police truck?
Speaker 2: They won't do no good? It too well? Why did
you want to let's send the military?
Speaker 7: Huh a saist something? I want the military to come
get you.
Speaker 2: I was supposed to ask for the military to get
vick on Nathan.
Speaker 7: Oh, okay, I got you.
Speaker 2: I got you.
Speaker 8: So now that we picked you up, you you need
to talk to the military. What you're saying, I'm asking
for the navy first, Nathan?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 10: What today you said you when they got behind you,
did you did you know that.
Speaker 2: Was a police in rain or what? I had a
feeling but there wasn't a cop cars. They flying that
drone all around my house. How'd you know that?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: I used to help somebody couse Mica in the day.
Were you in the house, Yeah, I was underneath it.
I was out there hollering at it. Y'all get the
hell out of here. I thought it was the Bandidos
is what I thought it was, because they had one
years ago. I shot it down and I got they got.
Let's talk about man m.
Speaker 10: And then when when you got stopped and they and
they got you whatever you had that you had a
rifle in the vehicle with you? Then was you going
to fill a tag when when they stopped.
Speaker 2: You, I'm gonna getting ready to your cat for my trucks.
Speaker 10: Did you just keep your rifle in there at all times?
Speaker 6: Or you was going to the opportunity when my tags
are not failed, I'll list points.
Speaker 2: If I leave the house with out of gun, I
got you.
Speaker 6: Even if I take a old bitchy piece of shotgun
and throw the Nastcabra truck, I still got a.
Speaker 2: Gun, right, so you don't. You don't get any druggies. Now.
Speaker 6: If I'm going to my hunting ladies, wildie offishers don't
want me riding around with it on the seat.
Speaker 2: Let's talk. They want to put it in nastcaber truck.
When you get back on the road. Didn't you know
you put it on them?
Speaker 7: Where's your hunting lace?
Speaker 2: Donamond? Sat someone over there Livingston. They ain't watch to
brag about. But somewhere still to go. I just run
round the dollars. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 7: We'll let you ship here for a minute if you
get out.
Speaker 2: I want going Kevin.
Speaker 7: I gonna talk a.
Speaker 8: Minute down Shoe if you need to cut him, if
we think any more questions going, Yes, sir, all right,
sure anything now, I'm would y'all take your time go
on right to go on, man, I'm a little teddy more.
Speaker 2: Are you doing that shop please? Nature like some chew
lieutenants from Jerry's office Unity Bay in this parish.
Speaker 8: Yes, Uh, I wanna take you back so we'll be
sure we get all this right. Tommy pass Okay, he
was murdered back in.
Speaker 2: Uh June something like that. I don't know exactly. I
mean even you.
Speaker 7: Feel tagged when July or whatever? Uh do you remember
anything about that day?
Speaker 2: About the weather?
Speaker 7: Yeah, right right in uh June here and you you
said you went there in your pickup truck.
Speaker 8: Yes, casually you pulled up in there and Tommy driveway,
you said, and What did you see when you pulled
up there?
Speaker 6: When it just outside pulling with his truck? He was
we look like he was working on his truck, moving
stuff around. How did this truck look come in?
Speaker 2: Wasn't you know anything?
Speaker 7: Don't see anything about it?
Speaker 2: Shot ing that take off four whel drive? Was it
jacked up or into four drive? Kind of kind of top?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: I mean like it? Oh no, no, no, no, even
like road Worth. I mean he had the hood like I.
I didn't pull out. Was it was it edgy runner?
Speaker 7: He just run listen all right?
Speaker 2: And so then what you did? I mean, did he
know you?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 8: Y am?
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 7: What do you say when you can't walk it up?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 6: First apart to tennis driveway, I was having a sight
dots about it. I said, not other than I want
to do it? Mm and uh finally I backed up
in there. I just told hiant need some are retire.
Speaker 2: He just he him know the lady okay. When I
let him walk off from the cold, I shout him.
So he stayed near your truck and went back into
your truck and right got you down.
Speaker 6: He was walking back to his he walked he turning there.
He probably walked twenty steps they walked coming around and
shot him.
Speaker 2: Yeah you didn't you shot him? He standing up? Tell yeah,
what happened? He dropped? It was it was killed shodow?
Speaker 7: How how was he when he when he hit the.
Speaker 2: Ground where I didn't stare? I didn't when he hit
the ground, you didn't, So you don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know what kind of pattern he got frost palace,
but I would imagine the majority of the shot got him.
Did he he collapsed? Then he collapsed? We was he
like kind of down on his knees or something? Wow,
he dropped When he dropped, I got out of that.
Speaker 2: He fell back? What he feeling?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 2: I don't think he was probably in the middle of
falling when I was in the middle of laga was
uh what would he work?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 2: I said a T shirt. I always had suspenders on.
You have a ball cap on? You think.
Speaker 8: I think he may have h You said it was raining.
Was it raining when you were at his house? Or
just sh it rained before?
Speaker 2: After? It was in between stone but it was just
dress on life open him?
Speaker 7: Did you see anybody else around there?
Speaker 2: And just you just.
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 6: I let him pass twice that day I seen him
one time by the gravel pit. Its kind of whim deal.
Was he I was looking for something else?
Speaker 2: I guess the.
Speaker 7: Gravel pit up by powers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he walked OUTND I seen him then I could
have shot him fire six times a day.
Speaker 2: Was he walking or he was in his beating for
na he was standing up with He's standing around when well,
we're all the seame. I'm pretty familiar with that area.
Just I went down the Graive road by where his
bit is.
Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, what it did end?
Speaker 2: Well, I see him going in there, and then I
went down down there and see him coming out.
Speaker 7: Did you did you go have power store or that day?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: That's now flood gates Not okay, because you know, I
know Tommy used to hang out both of the places.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, every morning talking love to talk.
Speaker 7: I didn't know if you went in there after him.
Speaker 2: I was in the store after not not to build
a tag distri. Oh have I talked to him in
the store? You've been talking to in the store for
the past ten years? Okay, he's normally therefore they open
in the morning. What was the last time you you
talked to him prior to that?
Speaker 6: Who I mean maybe seeing him at the store and
they e's going, or see him at the auto parture so.
Speaker 2: Far from visiting, and I ain't never I never hung
anything like that. Did you see him at the auto
course that day?
Speaker 8: No, it's happened in the morning. Oh okay, well, uh
earlier you telling me on the the guy sixty three?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Uh different, chesty? Yeah you should. You had passed by
him several times that day.
Speaker 2: I passed by the several time in the last couple
of months. Okay, so you've been you knew he was
out there fairly often or whatever? I was the fighting.
They wanted me to shoot a woman? Tell the truth?
How come? Because it's just one of them traps.
Speaker 7: I think they didn't, Uh right?
Speaker 2: I told him fly it on the phone.
Speaker 6: I ain't shooting an African American. Let's go cause some problem.
And I ain't gonna kill the one, that's all. I
don't be a white many.
Speaker 2: How I did shoot a deer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it would have been nice if I had a
bunch of year and I heard, I could have shot
him off and filled all attacks.
Speaker 2: So uh.
Speaker 1: You uh.
Speaker 2: Mad?
Speaker 8: On sixty three that day, the day field attack, you
went behind and turned around and came back and were
shooting while you.
Speaker 7: Were headed back to home.
Speaker 2: Did I shot on the way back home? Yeah?
Speaker 8: You?
Speaker 2: So where did you turn around? About three or four
driveways past him? Do you remember? Uh?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 8: Do you remember any other cars around what you were
out there? No, that's that's another fact too. I tried
to shoud have no cars coming.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you remember any like when you're going
down the road going there? Oh? There cars up and
down the road all day.
Speaker 6: So you just make sure it's if I said two
cars going away behind me, I just pulled over away.
Speaker 2: Not the cars passed on that evening at on sixty three?
What vehicle you in? I was in love lace car, honestly?
Which one is that? A little white niece saw white
kness high? Alright? And uh.
Speaker 7: How many times did you shoot?
Speaker 2: I'll say three or four? Think I missed him in
the first shot three or four down, I was still rolling.
Speaker 6: I was probably still going fifteen miles up, So you was,
you was still mobile when you followed.
Speaker 2: It was still roller when you shoot.
Speaker 12: Okay, cause my pritle was a little different from the
hang out. I guess how were you How did you
position the wheel? He was holding him what you need
or I would.
Speaker 2: Full on the brake, slow him down and that shitting
like that?
Speaker 6: Okay, he just leaned out to one thing and just yes,
just shot out. And you think he fired privent three
to four times? I think four 'em and you missed
him once. I think I missed him first.
Speaker 2: Shit he did he those you were shooting at him,
He looked at you or I think of you gout.
Speaker 6: He was weeding and I don't think he knew where
the first shot come from. And another three hitting hard.
You saw him when he fell out here?
Speaker 2: Do you follow?
Speaker 6: It's fast phase down or I'll say probably clasped on
his side. Okay, there's one to deal a shot quick.
I had to grab you down with him. Yeah, he
was weed you so what it looked like to me?
Speaker 2: Okay? And I didn't stop, you know, you could just roll.
I was still.
Speaker 6: I probably want him thirty miles an hour, forty down
to about fifteen, slowed down quick throughout. The one that
missed the fire shot fired three more. You tell I
hit him and hit him up, hit him wrong on there?
Do you have a you have a scope on their rifle.
Speaker 2: And no open science? Yeah, he yet love. Yeah, a
bad shot.
Speaker 7: Should have hit him up in there. Where do you
get Tommy Toddy?
Speaker 2: You chest shot?
Speaker 7: He got him in the chairs?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Did you? Uh? Have you changed cell phone recently? Been
down the same phone for how long years? Ye?
Speaker 8: All right, Well, I don't know much about what happened
in Pride, but he's killing boored?
Speaker 7: Does he asked you some question?
Speaker 2: That's pretty much why I hed hed, you know, on
the evening. Of course he was nineteen. Do you remember
that day how that went? I wasn't shoty, yes.
Speaker 6: Sir, really you don't understand past by standing out there,
had a green shirt on when I fired twice and
hit him.
Speaker 2: Did you what direction you were on?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 6: Touched plank road to watch plank road? Did you go
past past him, turned around, came up, shot him and
went on? Where'd you turn around?
Speaker 2: Probably up there and uh the last little road before
you get the Pride park Robinson? No, No, on the
other side of the road. Uh, jerk, jerk yet lat Yeah,
drinker lays some right in there. Okay, did you sit
there for a little while?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: I seen him when I heard around, spun around there.
Wasn't that come here? What?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: What vehicle. You were in that same little car, a
little white Nissan. Yeah, what did you do with h?
Be checked? Uh? Cases arsinoe?
Speaker 7: No, I don't have no legal But what what'd you do?
Speaker 2: Just thrown one so long? Yeah? Just throw on the bushes?
Where about on sixty three? You st they should have
been bouts all on the ground.
Speaker 7: Oh you threw him out of sixty.
Speaker 2: Three that should have been. I couldn't find any in
the car. I found one.
Speaker 8: The other three should have been on the road. I
could hear them hitting the road from the car. Wasn't
when you went? When they did fall in the car?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Where did you throw them? Somewhere around the house?
Speaker 6: Or I throw 'em in the bushes? Throw them out
the window as you were driving? Yeah, let's get it
right on.
Speaker 2: We're by the one on prior foot accent is the
one locations found mad. I didn't find a woman in
the car. H So you found one? Caught on you
fire twice? Yeah? Okay, he should have been should have
been a shevel. What can you Where was he standing
when you when you shot it?
Speaker 6: Standing numbers by his driveway, by the dish. He he
had anything in his hand or anything like that I
a pulfsprayer or something, a pump sprayer, black people's weed easy,
you know stuff like that. Yeah, sir, did you see
anybody near his house?
Speaker 2: Anything? Or did you stop with that one? Or you
kept wrong?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm still rolling.
Speaker 6: So you about the same thing about ten or fifteen
miles an hour, and you just he dropped.
Speaker 2: Flying on him and he dropped on his on his buck.
I said, well, so he dropped on his butt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then he leaned over to I guess his
right side, and it might have been his left cause
I was facing and I didn't when I shoot, I
don't stop. I don't I've been shot back at before.
I don't stick around stop.
Speaker 2: I don't stop. So when you when you saw him fall, well,
I don't know if you singing for you? We saw
a fall on his butt? Yeah, and then turn off?
So you just rolled and kept on? Were you speedy
or you just rolled out castle?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 2: I hopked up to about sixty real quick. About sixty?
Did you passed Pride one? Stop? No, I went to
the other way. I was going towards plank. Oh, so
you was going towards the plank?
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, So you just rolled on straight to your house. Yeah,
so you went to up Pride Fort that's room plank road. No, No,
I cut through one of them gravel roads. What you
remember which one morning? Scott Baro roads and all that. Oh,
you went to Skybald cut through all.
Speaker 2: Right, you didn't got back on the road. Okay, So
you went to Scott Boyd. Yeah, I didn't get on
a plane. About how long it took you went straight off? Yeah?
Did you stopped anywhere before you went there? None? None
of this time about shotow, I didn't stop anywhere. So
that morning this happened.
Speaker 6: My accident happened around about five thirty one around that time.
Do you remember that at the time, now right around there,
I'd say about six o'clock literally five thirty okay, But
prior to that, did.
Speaker 2: You know this guy? You knew who you were targeting
or you he had a green shirt on? Okay, so
you looked for somebody with a green shirt. Each side's
got a different colored shirt, whatever color, right hit that's
who gets a point. Oh okay, so you it's a book.
But the one one lady's got blue shirt, she's an
African American. If I see a blue shirt. I hope
you're kind of start up little better than you. Yeah, okay,
Now the guys that.
Speaker 6: Will use to these incidents, did you did you put
them better safe or if you're just basic, put 'em
on a palco around your house?
Speaker 2: There's dround my house? Yes? Right? Where was that? Where
was that? Three? Uh? Three point five? Over? Be leaning
against the wall in the house in the what room?
Then in the then? Yeah? So do you have boy
in one of 'em?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: Just one? Just one? What about the rights? Which where
would they be in the house? What was it in
the car when they started? Me? I mean the shot
down something. I'm leaning against the door front landing next
to the door, the front door. M is that your
wife or you? No, let's just take her out front
up move them. A few months ago and you said
she hadn't known anything that was going on. Yeah, she
ain't tired this at all. I did take her car.
Speaker 7: While she was sleeping. Is that that place in your place?
Speaker 2: Right? Yes? Sir? When did you get it? I bought it?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Three right the days that you were of these incidents?
Speaker 6: I know me, I don't I feel uncomfortable when I
leave my house without my phone?
Speaker 2: That you have your phone with you when you with
these incidents, you didn't bring it with it. If I
do pull the battery out of it, why you do that? Man?
We can't track it.
Speaker 6: So you can't track it. So that's that's one of
the reasons you don't take it. That's just the leader
at home. So if phone turns up, y'all, anybody tell
if you pull the battery out out and you don't,
better off, just leave the phone at home, just the
GPS to fix it.
Speaker 2: If there's a routine thing that you do all the
time when you leave the house, that just when you
what the fall, when you feel just the tags. If not,
I'm only working. I need my phone for business.
Speaker 6: Your business pretty look for Tippy make pretty good money
during the flood.
Speaker 2: I did pretty good.
Speaker 12: If you did any of these guys maybe Thomas House
or you know he's but the gal on private what else?
Speaker 2: And you didn't know him at all? Never made Did
you see it on the news? Oh yeah? How did
that feel? Serious? Bass? Did you ever feel like calling
prior to you calling this?
Speaker 6: Uh corte, I knew it was adding enough, specially turn
on my tag then, So today you you have a
rifle Lincoln in your car?
Speaker 2: Right where you going to champ to field? Tag? No,
I was going to I was going to uh the
all the parts to get a ready of their capt
for my truckle. But you you was coming up though,
right what that's another tag? Yes, sir? Once I got
these five and this says not to get me hooked.
Let me see you got three right now? The dear
count for two? Yeah, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 12: I got it down.
Speaker 2: I see you got that's fine. So you you got
five tass about five tasks? Hmm?
Speaker 12: So that you clean your cars out after this, so
you just what you may call it like when you
get home, you can go look for cations in the car.
If you wipe it down, I want to do you
wipe it down.
Speaker 6: Just look for the cases, maket you're in no cases?
Oh lady get pulled over and they looking at her cars.
She don't overtail's going home? You you think you remember
where you next throwing the cases? So you're throwing out
of the way.
Speaker 2: I throw them down. Thrown a couple out there't wanna driveway,
so you think you may ask them down? You drive away.
There might be a couple throwing around there from what's
swimming from? Uh?
Speaker 13: My den from dancing in on the nineteen on five collection. Uh,
I don't know my problem of us and we're drawn today.
I throw them out on the drive away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's probably a couple of right now. Way all
you look for him or to the waves is pretty high.
Let me ask you this, what about a comic bash?
Hou h? I got rid of that shell? What to
do with it? Burn it? How come it landed him
back of my truck? Oh? Did it? Yeah? I didn't
know til a couple of days later.
Speaker 7: Uh stuck by the tail game?
Speaker 2: Where'd you burning it? Uh? This firepower? Hudhu s so
that she be in the firepower? Our thirty brass? Or
what in the trash? H? Because I stung? Got it?
You say you had nothing to do with the honer shoot?
Uh both corn me? I was probably ain't bout fire
una killing his ass. I know that you have anything
to do with that. You say he's your friend. I
get ah, I I ain't your friends. I know him.
Did you shoot at Yeah? I shot at him? So
you did shoot that? Yeah? I want to mess him.
You ain't aim it?
Speaker 6: The Yeah, you really didn't wanna hear it, cause I
could tell him, no good, I missed him right, I
shot tell her right twice he got ricocheted cause a
I can tell the whey you the way you shoot?
Speaker 2: I didn't want to say.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to say that first because I got
a feeling that might be a tagg if the woman
a filling on.
Speaker 2: Well, we're not gonna you mentioned that, and that's that's
the that's the federal people too. I'm not gonna mention
any So how many times did you fire him? Twice?
What you were driving? You little car?
Speaker 6: Same thing, the white car. So he wasn't in the
truck this time. No, don't tell me Bass of them
than the car. So explain here too, shot the deer
have the call, So explain explaining the situation with Thomas Bass.
Speaker 2: I mean that Toimey Bass buck hop humpy. What happened?
That is out there walker in the morning with a
green shot on and he got close to a road.
Did he see you? Yeah? Twice he hit the ground.
He'd tell it wasn't a good shot. But I missed him.
You pretty much tried to scare him. He saw me.
He ain't gon kill anye noo shot though he didn't
killing rifle. But why why you weren't trying to fill attack? Oh?
I was trying to feel attacked, so you look. I
was trying to feel that you were looking for him
at that so he was a target. It was how
long you have been looking for so as a singing
that day prior to now? Not for your son of
the sing? How did you make some passive mind or
one or two?
Speaker 8: Did we have a long plans of short mans? He
had short song and on short Yeah? And uh was
he right there by that h ain't right here by
that trainer by training?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What happened in that case? I don't know. Probably
on the roads or you lost out and you didn't
go back. So you basically how you should you? Basically
the same deal? Still rolling and shot pint of style
pace only.
Speaker 7: Got him, he thought, uh, he thought, uh, he missed
and got him rick ship, you come.
Speaker 2: Here to be these nailed the tent on the trailer. Okay.
Then he dropped. Now I figured I figured he might
have got hit once or twice? Did did he did
he drop? He dropped and took out my first rocket shot?
Speaker 6: I think that I think the first one I shot
twice so fast. The first one you already heard hit
to ten. I think he was spinning around. And that's
when the second one fire too quick when I shot.
Speaker 2: Him do one?
Speaker 7: And then what happened?
Speaker 6: Oh, he hit the ground and then he was running
like a football player on the ground getting running the trailer.
Why you did shoot again? Too much time? Too much time?
It was morning time on the traffic.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I was a little nervous. When
which ride did you take on that day? Straight back
down sixty three? Once it out, you didn't you headed
toward the flint Kitts when shut no, I went, I
wasn't got gas that Paradise up. The gas light was
on the car. What about to run out? So I'm
gonna fill up with gas? And all the way back
he was gonna spot it. So you want to fill
up gas? Yeah?
Speaker 8: First, Terri show you went to Paradise truck stop out
there on sixteen, Yes, sir, I saw it. You got
gas yes, in a little white car.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 7: And then did you use a Casher credit card?
Speaker 2: Uh? Probably cash? Yeah?
Speaker 8: And then you uh when you when you came back,
you coming east on nine fifty five.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's say it runs east or west. I
guess I was going west if I was going home?
Speaker 8: Okay, and you saw Tom, I mean, uh, but hey,
but passed him turn around, passed him, turn around and
then shot Yes twice.
Speaker 2: Twice back to pie. Dumb, dumb, what' set up? You
just curious when you when you shoot, do you wing
for at the passenger's side?
Speaker 8: I was on you.
Speaker 2: You pulled it out. The woman wire about the wonder
I want a barrel might be out to wander. My
humble is still stuck in the court. My hand might
be out to one. Just say no stuff and prop
up on the window. Yeah, they take a shot on
you trying to so you take them away. This is
a quick ordeal. You're shooting off the road. This is
another thing too.
Speaker 6: If I would shoot somebody every couple of years, I
wouldn't have come on hooked.
Speaker 2: I came on hook because I didn't shooting nobody in
like five years. This is why I came on Hope.
And I have a certain quick amount of time before
fatal agents make me. They don't want me pull They
want me to shoot straight off the highway. No slip
up on no body's house, nothing like that. It's got
to be shooting for a blacktop, shot for the count.
Speaker 6: That would be more. Yeah, so that it gets way horder.
It ain't like you pull down there and catch somebody
in the country and you of course not to cut
you off. You say you hadn't filled tag prior to
this in five years probably so you might have you
five years ago?
Speaker 2: What happened? Anything happened? You feel any tags? I feel
tags over the years when you touch it? Can you
name up? Now? You have to take that up? Yeah?
That year that's ternal or something. I don't know.
Speaker 6: So I used to get my tags, like I told you,
out of the federal hotel. Get some presidents, take care
of business.
Speaker 2: Yup. You have to feel the.
Speaker 6: Tag using a hangout if it hasn't been a long time,
don't I have a hangdoun you don't want to hang up?
Do whatn't want at all?
Speaker 2: What the last time you want? Last time I had one?
I shot my packer off with it. H forty girls
at State Place can come to my house and get
my pecker?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 2: Uh so I took my gun. Well, it's coming to
get it anyhow. What kind of gun was it?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember it spent on while I told
you it was strange, and it's really about to get
wild in this case once this goes to trial. So
I'm gonna go ahead. I'm going to wrap up this
episode and we'll peek it up next week with the trial,
the conviction, and the retrial of Ryan Sharp. And if
that confuses you, don't worry. I'm going to fill you
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