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Speaker 1: We're Tame Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest. Hellok,

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and welcome back to another edition of the PSO. I

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am the team, You're Tilo, Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm here

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with the low and you'r til Lorenzo. Mark has my

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lovely husband. It is my lovely husband's birthday.

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Speaker 2: The birthday, thank you, uh and you've been wonderful. You

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made me cake, you made me ice cream and uh yeah,

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and cinnamon buns for buns for breakfast.

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Speaker 1: You know, very busy.

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Speaker 2: I got lovely cards from everybody, including the cat, each.

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Speaker 1: Cat and McCart. It is also the birthday of actor

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tab Hunter. Yes, yes, yes, I was an RB boyd

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tab Hunter. Our cat who was named after him, is

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sitting right in front of us.

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Speaker 2: No one love tab Hunter. Actually I love both tap Hunters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, I know I always say it's going to

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be a short one, but I do think it's going

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to be a short one. This is our second podcast

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of the week. We promised on Monday that we would

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get a second one else.

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Speaker 2: And we're thinking about having more than one. We can't

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promise anything.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see getting into that. We always try, We

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always try any or nothing, but tryers. Okay. So actually

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on Wednesday I said to Lorenzo, I was like, I

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don't know. We told everyone we were going to do

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a second podcast, but I don't have any topics for

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this week aside from and just like that. And then

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I said we could go and see Superman the night

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before and give our thoughts on that, because the thing

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is in our line of work, you know, being independent

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bloggers and that sort of thing. If there's any no

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one ever asks or advice anymore, because no one's trying

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to do a blog, no one's launching blogs in twenty

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twenty five. But back in the day when people used

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to ask advice for us, I used to always say,

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you know, find out what you're as close to an

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expert on and write about that or talk about that.

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And so when it came time to come up with

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topics for this week, I was like, well, there's that

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whole line about you know what, could you stand up

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in front of a TED and give a TED talk

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without any you know, any preparation. And definitely Superman is

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one of those things where it's like, yeah, I could

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get up and talk about for forty five minutes about

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that guy. I won't, but I will offer my thoughts

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on the film, you know, as someone who is a long, long,

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long time fan of the character and understands him pretty well.

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And of course we're going to talk about and just

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like that our favorite show are My God, that show.

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All right, let's talk about Superman.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: First off, I'm aware that you know we're gay, mostly

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fashion bloggers, so you know not our audience isn't necessarily

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prime to sit and listen to an entire discussion about

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a superhero movie, but we'll try and keep it.

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Speaker 2: Into However, can I just say what I thought about it?

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Because mine is quick? Quick? Yeah, absolutely and short. I

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don't know anything about Superman, but I actually I've always

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enjoyed the movies, especially the first one. I call it

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the first one with Christopher Ree because I think it

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was a beautiful movie. Uh and he was so perfect

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for the for to play Superman anyway, and this one

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was good too. I actually enjoyed it very much. I

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think they're both amazing. David what's his last name again?

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Speaker 1: A show Uh, a marvelous missus masel Oh.

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of Cards, Yeah, I think so Okay, Yeah, anyway, she

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was amazing. Uh And I actually said some on Twitter

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back then and she replied and she thanked me because

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I thought she would she was gonna hit big because

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she was really good and she is. I think she's

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a great actor anyway. So and she's perfect for the role.

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thought it was very good. I think he's a perfect Superman.

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idea about. I knew nothing about the dog. You had

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to explain to me the whole thing with the dog.

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I thought it was interesting. I was, you know, pay

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attention to everything, enjoying every minute of it. And Nicholas Ho,

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So that's my take someone who doesn't know anything

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about Superman. I really enjoyed and was entertained by the

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Speaker 1: As someone who knows everything about so I was also entertained.

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I don't think it's a perfect film. But then again,

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perfect superhero film, right. I don't think there's such a

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thing as a perfect film generally. But superhero films, just

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by nature or the genre, they are going to wind

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up becoming formulaic. It's almost impossible for them not to

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be formulaic. So it is a as a genre. It's

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a very enjoyable film genre, but it rarely leads to masterpieces.

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fun about Superman this film is that James Gunn he

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really thought about the influences on that character. He thought

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about the way the public reacts to that character, and

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then he tried to put that in the film. He

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tried to put certain aspects of that into the film.

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I'm not really making sense here, my point being, pardon me.

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There are aspects of the film that feel very much

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like picking up a DC comic in the middle of

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a storyline. It just there's all this stuff going on

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that just is not explain to you at all. You

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just sort of have to go with it. Similarly, there's

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very much a sort of Saturday Morning cartoon vibe to

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this film. I don't want to suggest that it's dumbed down.

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but James got really, really thought about what do we

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expect out of superhero in our movies? What do we

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want them to do, what do we want them to say,

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what do we want them to look like? And I

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feel like a lot of this film is him answering

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a bunch of other films, or responding to a bunch

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of other films about superheroes. I feel like he made

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deliberate choices so that this film was not going to

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look like other films or be like other films. Don't

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get me wrong, Especially in the third act of the movie,

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it's pure superhero slop. I mean, it's just people flying around,

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punching things, and it's a lot of digital effects, and

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you know, it's every climax of every superhero movie in

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the last twenty years. Will say that to me was

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the end it's just a big, punch him up kind

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of thing. And I mean it's Superman. Of course he's

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going to go around flying and punching things. If I'm

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complaining about that, I don't get Superman. I just feel

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that the first two thirds of the film are I

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mean I actually sat there going, huh, he's really trying

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to do something here, isn't he Like it's not It's

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not a Marvel film. It doesn't feel like a Marvel

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film at all, And it doesn't feel like prior DC

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films because the energy is so different. When you look

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was morose and ponderous and overly serious, and Cavell as

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beautiful as Henry cavill is. He basically looks like a

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blow up doll, and I never really liked him in

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that suit. I just was like, well, that's he just

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you think of the humanity and that characterization, and you

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think of he wasn't a marble statue. He grinned, and

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he he got frustrated, and he got embarrassed, and you

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comment on Henry Cavill's talent, but he was asked to

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do a certain version of Superman. In that version, was

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this sort of messianic marble statue very uninteresting to watch.

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Speaker 1: The thing about David corn Sweat's version is that it's

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it's very much the man in Superman. You won't You've

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never seen a version of Superman get so beat up.

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time in this movie because he is not some untouchable god.

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scene with Lois in the beginning of the movie where

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she interviews him and he expects they view to be

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friendly and it's not, and he gets very frustrated with

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her and they wind up having an argument and You've

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this on screen before. What's interesting is it's the choices

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that Gun made as to where he was going to

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start the story and everything. For instance, the Lois and

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Clark relationship is at a point where that we've never

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they love each other yet, and that's a really fertile

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dramatic period for those characters that has not been explored on.

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should have started off by saying this is a non

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spoiler review. We're just talking about minor stuff. I'm not

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of interesting because they're clearly hot for each other, but

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that's really fertile ground because you get a point where

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she's questioning whether or not this is really going to

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which again you've never seen them do in a Superman story.

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only message for Hims twenty five years ago because I

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used to say that I was like, Lois and Clark

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are two of the least ethical journalists in fiction because

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they make up their interviews or they don't. They don't

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tell people that they know their interview subject in interesting.

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you've noted, Crypto so much fun. The dogh God ridiculous,

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just like the baby Yoda of the DC universe. They

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the comics. He made a choice about Superman's origins. It's

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a big twist. I'm not going to get into it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about it. But I wasn't

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sure if he was in the comic books.

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comic books, and I think the the nerds are going

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I was like, you know what, it doesn't change anything

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about the character. It changes something about his origins, but

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it doesn't change the character at all. So and it

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which was very nice. And I won't get into that either.

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and they really got that. The thing is the Zack

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he was very obsessed with the the the alien ness

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of this character, the fact that he came from this

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other planet and he was like this messianic figure. And

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James Gunn is not interested in that at all. First

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of all, we never see Krypton. There's no origin on

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Krypton or anything like that. We never see them put

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a aby in a rocket, none of that stuff he

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was waiting for. He skiffs all of it, and it's refreshing.

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It's very refreshing. The movie starts off three years into

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Superman's career. Everybody knows who he is, he's been around

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for a while, nothing needs to be introduced, and honestly,

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I think all superhero films should start like that. The

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quote unquote origin story has been so.

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Speaker 2: Total so many times. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when it's a character that the public doesn't know, well, yeah, okay,

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you need to explain certain things, but you do not

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need to explain Superman or Batman or Spider Man or

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Captain America, anybody not anymore. So I did like that.

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Nicholas Holt got to say, there have been a lot

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of great Lex luthors, Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor is one

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of the all time greats. But I gotta say that's

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the best Lex Luthor I've ever seen on screen. He

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was despicable.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I wanted to kill him, Yes, And it felt

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very villainish, you know, like very cartoonish. Just loved it, Yes,

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very very comic book.

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Speaker 1: I agree. In the first third of the film, they

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really load a lot of shit on Superman. And it's

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not that it gets dark, but it just sort of

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gets like, oh, hell's our hero going to get out

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of this? Like they're just piling a lot of bad

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stuff on the character. And I was sitting there thinking that.

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I was like, oh right, I forgot. That's That's kind

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of James Gun's thing is that he really puts his

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heroes through the ringer so that when they get that moment,

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it's a fist pump moment. It's a total fist pump moment.

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And when Luthor gets that, I'm not going to give

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it away, but of course Luthor gets defeated and when

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Luthor gets defeated, it is a total fist pump moment,

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crowd pleasing moment, everybody burst out laughing. So he's good

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at that. Gun is very good at creating these sort

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of these these very basic good versus evil storylines that

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you wind up getting extremely invested in because he knows

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how to create likable, entertaining heroes when you think of

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like Guardians of the Galaxy and Chris Pratt and that

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whole crew, But he also knows how to create the

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most despicable that like people that you just cannot wait

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to see destroyed. And Nicholas Holt was great. I mean,

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every Lex Luthor hates Superman, but I don't think I've

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ever seen Alex Lutha that hated Superman as much as

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this guy hated Superman.

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Speaker 2: Some of his line talking about how much he hates

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him and all that, it was just beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he gives a monologue at the end where I'm like, well, damn,

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that's one of the all time great villain monologues. Yeah,

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he's really really good and also breath taking only beautiful

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in this Oh my god. I mean, his skin is

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like he has no pores, but what.

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Speaker 2: I love about him is that he can do anything,

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like the what is the Mad Max or whatever movie? Mad?

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Speaker 1: Oh right, right, right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was also crazy. He can do anything.

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I just love him. He's so good.

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Speaker 1: But his suits were in this film. I mean, he

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just was impeccably outfitted. And of course David Corinth Jesus

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Christ the legs on that boy. It's hard to focus

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on the boys cakes man. Oh my god, I'm like, Jesus,

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look at that. Yeah, it's hard. He's very cute, he's

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he's likable, he's full of personality, and he's really and

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that is so important. And that is what Henry Cavill's

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Superman really lacked. It was like you just you couldn't

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fall in love with that guy. It was very hard to.

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Speaker 2: The thing that the three of them have been promoting

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the movie like crazy, I'm on TikTok and Instagram. They're

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you know, they're doing all kinds of videos and this stuff.

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And they're so funny together.

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Speaker 1: They're cute together. Yeah, very smart to three of them. Yeah,

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now getting away from those three who are all great,

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and like I said, that is the best Lex Luthor

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of all time. And I would say this is the

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second best Clark and Lomis of all time, the first

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being Christopher Rieven Margot Kidder. To me, those are no

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one ever did it better than those two, but these

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two come close. I think they and they have potential

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that there are more Superman films, and I can't imagine

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there wouldn't be after this. There's real potential there. Because

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that's the other thing about this film. It's so overstuffed,

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and that is a criticism. There's too much in it.

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Gun just threw so much into it that at times

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I would never claim that this script is complex in

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a way you know it's not right, but it is.

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There's a lot of plot, there's a lot going on.

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There are a lot of people introduced into it. I

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don't think he does a very good job of introducing

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a lot of them. The thing is, I sat there

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and I knew every Easter Egg, every reference. And I

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even said to you when we walked out, I was like,

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did you get some of that?

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Speaker 2: No? I mean I actually asked you, who's this guy?

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Speaker 1: Right? But he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I don't want to spoil anything, but yeah,

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when we walked up, you know, I said, by the way,

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who's that guy?

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Speaker 1: Right? There was a I mean, it's Metamorpho. It's Anthony

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Kerrigan's character. A big part of the plot hangs on

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his belief or whatever. And I know who he is

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because of the comics, but they never explained that it is,

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and they never explained his motivations or anything. And that's

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kind of the other thing is that, as a Superman

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fan of decades and decades and decades, it's wonderful to

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get everybody who works at the Daily Planet on screen.

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But you didn't know who any of those people were,

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did you. Aside from Lewis and Jimmy, you had no

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idea who any of those other people were.

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Speaker 2: I kind of knew the photographer or whatever, that's Jimmy. Yeah,

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I kind of knew him, but it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: They were putting in like Steve Lombard and Kat Grant

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and Perry White, and I don't expect everyone to know

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those names, but they were not introduced as characters. They

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were just and then they you know, they were in

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the film, like they all got on that spaceship together

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with Lois and everything. But I'm like, damn, I know

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who these people are, but they have not said who

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these people are. So it's an overstuffed film, but it

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is a lot of fun, I have to admit, and

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it is amotional, not you know, obviously I'm not going

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to oversell it. But when it's a triumph, when he triumphs,

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you feel it. It's a total fist pump moment.

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Speaker 2: So I guess because he gets punched so many times

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so much, I guess you know you're route you feel it, Yeah,

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and then when it happens you of course you get

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excited about Yeah, I wanted to kill everybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the bad guys are really bad. I like

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the engineer.

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Speaker 2: I was like, why are they still standing up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, They'm all killed, the bad guys. You just want

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them all dead at the end. And then I think

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the one thing I did want to shout out are

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and I'm sorry I don't have the cast page in

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front of me. The actors that Gun cast as Superman's

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adoptive parents, the Kents. Listen. I'm a city boy. I

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can't claim to know exactly what rural farm life is like.

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But to me, I was like, that's the first time

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I find this casting belief, Like they look like farmers,

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they look like people who would live in the middle

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of Kansas. They sounded like farmers, like they just they

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were correct. As I said to you. In Man of Steel,

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the Henry Cavill film, his parents were played by Kevin

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Costner and Diane Lane. I mean, they were beautiful people

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with incredible bone structure. And sure, that's fine. I'm not

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saying you can't have that out in rural amera. But

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they gave him two parents. Actually, what I loved about

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the casting was when you put him next to those

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two people, it's very clear they're his adoptive parents, whereas

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with Kevin Costner and Diane Lane, they could have played

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Henry Cavill's biological parents.

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Speaker 2: Also likely that in this version they're they're not playing

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them as dumb people. You know, they're just you know,

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they're yeah, they're they're they're following the news, they know

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everything what's going on. Said, I mean, like you have

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a tendency.

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Speaker 1: To like dumb down rural people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but no, they're just they know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: I loved it. Their farm looked like a farm, not

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like some Norman Rockwell painting. It just looked, you know,

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there's like an interstate going by. Uh, it's just I

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think Gun thought about all of this about how do

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I correct or respond to other versions of this story.

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Like I said, that interview scene with Clark and Lewis,

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it's just a response to the rather iconic Christopher Reeve

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Marco Kidner interviews scene in Superman the movie. Ask because

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that scene was so romantic and charming, and this scene

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they wind up having an argument and almost breaking up.

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It's it's very interesting how he looks at the iconography

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of Superman and tries to address it and modernize it

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without ever losing sight of who that character is. And

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I don't think he does. The whole point of Superman

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is that he is good, and that's the entire message

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of the movie. This guy is good and we should

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trust him because he's good.

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Speaker 2: What did you think of the costume?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I liked it. It's a different take. It's it

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has a more of a uniform take than a I

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absolutely hated the Cavil costume because it looked like it

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was spray painted on him. It was so tight and

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shiny and squeaky looking, and this looks like that's true

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actual clothing. Done did not. He didn't want a messianic

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figure carved out of marble. He wanted a dude. He

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wanted a guy. So his clothes have wrinkles in them,

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and it's a little loose fitting and everything. I actually

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really really like it. It doesn't have to be some

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skin tight spandex outfit. And I love the proportions on

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the trunks because that has always been something that is

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just very hard to get right on screen, even even

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Christopher Reeves version of the Really, I don't think they

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look all that good. This is more like they're like trunks.

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They're not like a speedo, they're not like underwear. They're

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more like boy shorts. And I actually think that's more

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flattering and more interesting than walking around in a pair

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of speedos over your pants, which never made sense to me. No,

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I like the costume. I liked how they simplified the s.

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I don't particularly need all that texture that they put

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on modern superhero costumes. But again, they're trying to get

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away from that whole spandex thing from the seventies and

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the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Can I imagine or the shade of the red that

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they use, it was a little dark or maybe I

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don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just like I think the blue is brighter. It's

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a lot brighter than Henry Cavill's blue, and it probably

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sets off the red differently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing is that his costume gets dirty

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all the time this film. Yes, he does get the

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crap beat out of him. Anyway, I think we've you know,

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is there anything else you want to add? I loved it.

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I don't think it's perfect, but it's the best DC

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film since the first wonder Woman film.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have a question for you before we in here,

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did you think the director had in mind when he

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made the film the whole thing about Superman coming from

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another place and sort of like the immigrant thing type

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of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is in the film, they talk

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about him being an immigrant, they talk about his origins

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and what it means, and they do play around with

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some of on like anti immigrant rhetoric in the storyline.

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You know, the film is receiving a lot of bullshit

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culture war stuff this week, because you know, everything is

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part of the culture war now, and I think, you know,

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Gunn actually drummed up a little bit of that because

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he talked about it in interviews about Superman being an

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immigrant and about this being a pro immigrant story. I

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just don't have anything to add to that. I don't

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think the film was we should Actually there is a

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couple stuff. There is a global conflict that is at

473
00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:37,000
the center of the story. There was a conflict between

474
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:41,119
two countries, and it is very, very nearly impossible not

475
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,640
to see you know, an Israel Gaza sort of, even

476
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,640
though they try their best to sort of their two

477
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:55,200
fictional countries. But as you noted, and this is you know,

478
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,359
you sometimes get into this with superhero movies. It's not

479
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,519
so great where it's just like, if you want to show,

480
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:06,039
you know, people who really need Superman, then show brown people,

481
00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:08,640
you know what I mean. Like, there's just a little

482
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,759
bit too much of brown people looking up at the

483
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,319
heavens and Superman come save us. And I get it,

484
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,319
I get what he was going for, but there's something

485
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,359
very there's like a colonialist sort of condescension in those scenes.

486
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: The close ups were a little too much, I agree,

487
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,599
but yeah, I even noticed it, and I'm like the

488
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,119
little boy, Yeah, it's just.

489
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: Like, oh, brown people in the desert begging for Superman

490
00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:33,799
to come and save them. And I'm like, okay, I

491
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,640
mean I get it, and you've got to root this

492
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,759
stuff in a believable world. And I don't mind that

493
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,279
he was making right, you know, I don't mind that

494
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,599
at all. I just feel like sometimes the whole a

495
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,720
dusty brown face looking up to the heavens for you know,

496
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:52,400
their superhero to come. That's not the greatest trope in

497
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,119
the world to be bringing into this. Like I said,

498
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,640
not a perfect film, but a smart one, an interesting

499
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,880
take on the character. Yes, he's an immigrant, and they

500
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,039
make that very clear. And but I don't feel that

501
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,880
the film. I don't feel the film is heavily political.

502
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,160
I just don't. I didn't get that sense that there

503
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,319
was political commentary being made here. There was stuff about

504
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:23,640
conflict and war and you know the the reasons behind

505
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:28,039
these things. But that's superhero comics generally is about good

506
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,039
versus evil, and I think that's that's.

507
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: The way to go in a way with with movies

508
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,119
like that. I mean, you can't always make the movies

509
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,559
about you know, airplanes and trains and saving people, you know,

510
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,759
like in the city. I mean you have to expand

511
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,000
a little and by that, you know, you start you

512
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,400
have to start saving people from all the countries and

513
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:47,400
doing all the things.

514
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,799
Speaker 1: I get one of the things I loved is that,

515
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,160
and I thought it was funny and it was subtle.

516
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,799
He didn't overdo it, but he made it clear that

517
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,000
this is a world in which this shit happens. So

518
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,279
there's a scene where two characters are having a very

519
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,559
very serious conversation at night, and outside the window is

520
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,519
this massive battle between superheroes and some massive space creature

521
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,400
going on, and it has nothing to do with the scene,

522
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,480
and it's just like, oh, well, that's just something that happens.

523
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,200
Now in this world. There's there's superheroes battle in the sky,

524
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:22,599
and people kind of pay attention to it, but they really,

525
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,599
you know, that's just it's sort of like living in

526
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,759
Tokyo when Godzilla was you know, it's just if you

527
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,519
live in Metropolis, you're sort of used to seeing these things,

528
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,240
and they don't overstate it. And for me, a lot

529
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,039
of that was very clever. Because it's a self contained film,

530
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,559
they don't set up any other storylines or anything like that,

531
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,640
but they give you enough of a world for you

532
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,079
to understand there's a lot going on here, and they

533
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,079
could they could go anywhere with any of this, So

534
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,599
it sets up a universe, but in a very open

535
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,319
ended way, there's only three other superheroes in the film,

536
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,240
and they only have small parts. But basically except for

537
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,400
mister Terrific, who lives up to his name, he has

538
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,279
some really fantastic scenes. And I'm glad because that's not

539
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:12,680
a really well known character, and I'm glad that he

540
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,759
got those moments. But the point is that this is

541
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,200
just a world where there's all this For all we know,

542
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,640
Wonder Woman's already out there, Batman's already in Gotham City.

543
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,880
It's just it's painted in such broad strokes, but it

544
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,000
lets you know that, yes, this is a pre existing

545
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,079
world full of superheroes. Anyway, that's it, right, Yeah, Yeah,

546
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:36,440
thumbs up on this. If you have any enjoyment of

547
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,359
these kinds of films, then yes, I would absolutely recommend it. It's,

548
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:45,160
like I said, the best DC film probably since Wonder Woman. Yeah, well,

549
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,880
there hasn't been many good DC films, and there hasn't

550
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,519
actually been any good Marvel films for a really long

551
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:52,720
time either, So this does feel like a breath of

552
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,680
fresh air. Like it or not. Superheroes are not going anywhere.

553
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:58,440
Those films are not going anywhere. They make way too

554
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:01,640
much money. So the best we can hope for is

555
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,319
good ones, interesting ones, non formulaic ones, and I feel

556
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,319
like Man of Steel, I mean, Superman actually gets hot done.

557
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:09,960
All right, shall we take a break and come back

558
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,240
and yell at Cary Bradshaw, Yeah, all right, we'll be

559
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:12,799
right back.

560
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: We're back.

561
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: Tab Hunter just yawned and made a little sound. I

562
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,119
don't know if you're going to pick it up on

563
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,440
the mic, but it's so cute.

564
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,839
Speaker 2: He wanted to say that we're back.

565
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. He is the whiniest little boy prize all the time.

566
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: He's wonderful.

567
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,799
Speaker 1: He is Oh he's rolling over now, Okay, so and

568
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,319
just like that whatever I mean, I just spoke about

569
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,319
thirty minutes about the Superman. I really don't feel like

570
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:37,160
talking about the stupidest show now.

571
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: The thing is that I mentioned that to you last

572
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,839
night as we were watching the episode, that you know,

573
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,279
the conversation now on on social media is not good

574
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,480
at about the show. People are really hating everything. Nothing

575
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,279
makes sense, and they just hate how the characters are acting,

576
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,359
and you know they just yeah, I mean, in the beginning,

577
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,119
it was a few people talking about it, but now

578
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:00,440
I feel like a lot more people were size of

579
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,759
the show, even though they say I'm gonna keep watching,

580
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,279
but they all hate what was even.

581
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,359
Speaker 1: Work up to the level of hate watching. Yeah, it's

582
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,799
just not interesting. So this whole thing, this whole episode

583
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:19,000
was about a party at Carrie's house and it was

584
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:24,079
to cheer up Charlotte. And I mean, what was the point.

585
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,039
What was the point of this episode? What was the

586
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:26,480
point of it?

587
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's no no, no, I mean the

588
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,039
whole thing with the writer downstairs, you know, the whole

589
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,880
thing with him thinking that her writing is amazing. I mean,

590
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,000
that's so not real.

591
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: It's so cringe where they were like, oh my god, Carrie,

592
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,799
it's the most amazing opening sentence I've ever read. And

593
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:43,720
I'm like, no, it's not.

594
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: First of all, that's the thing. They just use a

595
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:50,720
character to to tell carry about how wonderful she Yeah, exactly,

596
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:53,039
Like like, first of all, they introduced this guy as

597
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:54,480
an asshole.

598
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:57,839
Speaker 1: But now amazing thing he's ever met.

599
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's smoking a pipe the hell I.

600
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,839
Speaker 1: Don't care about. But it's just what does that have

601
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,240
to do with it? I know, it's just like what

602
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:10,359
else the bitch eating crackers mode? Yeah, that's that's the thing.

603
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,200
I mean God, how interesting would it have been if

604
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,119
he had come to her and said, listen, I don't

605
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,160
think it's right right right, Like that would have been

606
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,920
interesting right now. But it's amazing, amazing the most flow.

607
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:26,920
So first of all, if you're reading the first chapter,

608
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,720
you're not really getting the hook of any The best

609
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:32,440
you can get is is the language working? Is your

610
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,000
sentence structure working? But you can't give that kind of

611
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,279
critique on one chapter blah blah book.

612
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean Miranda's steak on the chapter with more real

613
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,559
than them when she said, well I didn't get to

614
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,279
read much.

615
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: You know that scene?

616
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:46,559
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

617
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: Again, are they trying to make carry into an asshole?

618
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000
I don't do you really not see the way she

619
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:54,480
went after Miranda.

620
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: Right delusion of now, I just felt.

621
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: Like I miss Miranda. I'm the Miranda who would have said,

622
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,720
you know, shut the fuck up, like who would have

623
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:05,480
gone back at her and said, why are you talking

624
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,079
to me this way? They used to have the best fights,

625
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:10,599
the two of them, best scripted fight.

626
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,119
Speaker 2: Now she's tiptoeing around Carrie all the time.

627
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:17,039
Speaker 1: Everybody's tiptoeing around Carrie all the time, And I'm like, why.

628
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,319
Speaker 2: Why Branda would not behave the way she behaved with

629
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:21,880
the whole the whole episode.

630
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, we're all over the map, he know.

631
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,039
All I can think of is the time that Miranda

632
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:33,359
gave a toast at Charlotte's engagement dinner or rehearsal dinner,

633
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,440
and at the toast accidentally caught on fire. Yeah, and

634
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,920
she screamed, and she turned to Carrie and said, Okay,

635
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,279
I've shown I've shown emotion in public. I'm ready to

636
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:45,400
go home now. To me, that's Miranda, right. So Miranda

637
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:47,720
like trying to get everyone to sing. Girls just want

638
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:49,319
to have I'm like, who the hell is this person

639
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:52,519
trying to get all her girlfriends to come up and sing?

640
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,640
And I'm like, okay, first off, who are you? Secondly,

641
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,119
have you met Carrie and Charlotte because they're not going

642
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,440
to do that. Why are you having these characters after

643
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,359
this way? Like Lissa's son just going on and on

644
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:09,799
singing like that's listen, I didn't and then Charlotte's daughter

645
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,279
acting like a jackass.

646
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,359
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing is like, why why are

647
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,640
we paying attention to these things?

648
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: They never developed these characters, so suddenly, you know, Lisa

649
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,200
Todd Wexley's son. I guess they're implying that he's gay

650
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:23,680
or something like he's at theater queen. Oh, it's fine.

651
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,599
I don't care. But and it was a lot of

652
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,920
time devoted to a kid that we haven't spent any

653
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:29,640
time exactly.

654
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, why is he singing NonStop?

655
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,559
Speaker 1: Like there were three songs? Yeah, I'm all right, this.

656
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: Kid never opened his mouth. So now we're listening to

657
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:37,920
him sing and.

658
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: We're watching like, oh, Carrie's I mean, Charlotte's co workers,

659
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,480
they they are they going in on a gift? Oh?

660
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,279
I only glat Candy? Who are you? You're on the

661
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,440
way background people? I don't know you? Why am I

662
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,359
supposed to care about it?

663
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,559
Speaker 2: There's you know, I'm watching the episode and I have

664
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:54,640
I get a little bit of a hope here. Okay, fine,

665
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,720
they're gonna develop, you know, uh, those carrots a little more.

666
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:01,240
I mean, you know, like but no, I mean the

667
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,279
whole thing with oh my god, the mother the coming

668
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,279
from Italy, Oh my god.

669
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,199
Speaker 1: She has an accent?

670
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: Why?

671
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: And then she's from Buffalo, and then occasionally she doesn't

672
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,840
have an accent? Like, what are you trying to do

673
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,159
with this?

674
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,639
Speaker 2: Character.

675
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,679
Speaker 1: Why didn't you just can't, Like, they just wanted Patty

676
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,639
Lapone and Sarah Jessica Parker having lunch together in a

677
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,239
restaurant because you know, they're two like iconic New.

678
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: York, so they need to have a scene together, and like.

679
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: Nothing about it made sense.

680
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,639
Speaker 2: Why are they having lunch?

681
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: They just met, They just met. Harrie's like, we love

682
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,039
your son, And I'm like, are there any scenes of

683
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:39,519
Carrie talking directly to that guy? Because yeah, what it's

684
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:43,639
just dolls, paper dog, just moving little dolls around. Nothing

685
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,079
makes any sense. None of the characters look or sound

686
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,199
like the characters from the previous season, you know, series.

687
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,000
It's just I don't know, there's nothing satisfying about watching

688
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,079
this show to mean nothing at all. I'm finishing out

689
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,239
this season, but I will not be doing it next year.

690
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: And the thing is that they will come back because

691
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,880
these people are delusional. They have They refuse to to

692
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:08,000
accept the criticism. Uh you know that you see out there.

693
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Does everyone's hate watching it? That's the thing.

694
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,159
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Yeah, people are watching it. That's all

695
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,599
they care. Yeah, they don't care if you don't like

696
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:18,360
the show. Uh, they always come back with some sort

697
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,559
of excuse why. You know, the characters behaved a certain way,

698
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,880
but they all I don't understand anybody like Sema, my god,

699
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,639
the woman suddainly has no money for anything.

700
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,639
Speaker 1: Right and her eyes, you know, she can't afford it.

701
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,519
You know what, what none of that makes sense? Come on,

702
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,000
she's not poor. No, she's not poor. She lost her

703
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:41,280
job or her career, but she and she had that

704
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,960
type of work like if you were a high powered

705
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,760
realtor in Manhattan. She's not unemployed like she would immediately

706
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,280
start working again. Everything about that storyline is dumb as hell.

707
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:58,880
And I didn't mind the flirtation with the gardener, but

708
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,920
then when it became real, I'm like, no, I don't

709
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,760
buy this at all. I don't really see her with

710
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,400
that guy. I just don't see it.

711
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: And he's a garden All of a sudden, he's a friend.

712
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,920
Now he's in the kitchen having conversations with him.

713
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: What I mean what they're not allowed to talk to

714
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,440
the help. I mean he's a professional working you know. Yeah,

715
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,840
that doesn't bother me. I don't care about that.

716
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: But he's a friend now in the kitchen.

717
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, what, I just don't get it. I just don't

718
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,440
see a lot of spark there. I guess they wanted

719
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,320
her to have a young guy. They wanted her to,

720
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,880
you know, someone who's a little you know, outside her

721
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,239
norm or whatever. We've seen the kind of men she dates.

722
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,159
So but I don't know. I don't think he's like

723
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,480
everybody else in this show. I don't think he's interesting,

724
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:40,320
like none of you.

725
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:44,679
Speaker 2: No money is interesting and nobody's interesting. Yeah everything he's like,

726
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960
I don't care about this. Why why are we spending

727
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,719
that much time here? I mean always, I know that.

728
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: I got to say she looked amazing though her her hair, makeup,

729
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,039
and costumes gorgeous. But I don't get this character like

730
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:01,000
we have. Her son on the show had like one

731
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:04,400
line the entire season. But for some reason, we're going

732
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,840
to spend time on his mother.

733
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,039
Speaker 2: And he looks like she's staying for well she said

734
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:09,960
she was, yeah, so, which means that we will have

735
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:10,760
another episode.

736
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just okay. So, now Anthony has a

737
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,320
storyline because his future mother in law doesn't like him,

738
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,480
and I mean, I guess it's just whatever. What else?

739
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:25,000
And Charlotte is allowed to talk about Harry's oh cancer. Now,

740
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,000
actually that line that it was fine.

741
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,599
Speaker 2: That was the only time that I was like, this,

742
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,960
this is good. When he says, you know, it's not

743
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:34,800
fair that I asked you to not mention that I

744
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,519
have cancer to your friends. Right that that scene was great.

745
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:41,039
I was like, all right, this is good, that's what

746
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:41,639
we want.

747
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,559
Speaker 1: But now everything that led to that scene was and

748
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:48,079
there was the whole thing Mark. You know, Carrie lied

749
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:51,599
to Miranda about her dog having cancer, and then Dolly

750
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,199
brought CBD treats for the and everybody in this scenario

751
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,360
was acting like an idiot. Every single person's acting dumb,

752
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,679
and you're I'm supposed to believe you're all sophisticated, intelligent

753
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,639
New Yorkers. I don't know.

754
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, I first of all, I don't get it.

755
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,079
I know so many New Yorkers and none of none

756
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,039
of them behave like that. None of it.

757
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:17,159
Speaker 1: I know adults, and none of them behave like that. Yeah,

758
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,639
I don't know. Going back to that thing with Miranda

759
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,679
and Carrie almost having a fight but not having a fight,

760
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,719
I don't understand what they're trying to do there. I

761
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,960
guess Carrie feels an attraction to this guy but doesn't

762
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,239
want to pursue and oh and that's the other thing,

763
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,760
the way they talk about Aiden.

764
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

765
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,519
Speaker 1: Well at one point she says, well, Aiden and I

766
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:41,760
have twenty years together. I'm like, no, you don't, No,

767
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,440
you don't. You had like a year together and then

768
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,320
twenty years apart, right, that's not a twenty year relationship.

769
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,199
And then now there was this really weird moment where

770
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:56,880
Anthony says at the party to Carrie, if it comes up,

771
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,239
I was never married, and she said neither was I,

772
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,519
And I'm what, Yeah, what the hell does that mean?

773
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,360
First off, who's asking about whether you were married, Carrie?

774
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,280
And why would you lie about that? They really want

775
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,199
to put the entire big relationship. Oh yeah, they just

776
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,199
it doesn't work, like you spent six seasons of a

777
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,960
show and two movies obsessing over that relationship. Like I

778
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,519
get that she's moved on, Like okay, she's a widow

779
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:25,039
and she's moved on. But they seem to want to

780
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:27,840
like write it out as some sort of mistake and

781
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,719
that Aiden was always the only one I love and

782
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,840
why did you do that? Why did you have to

783
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,079
do that? I get that Chrisnoth as problematic and he's

784
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,000
been canceled, and I understand it, and believe me, that

785
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,639
relationship was never a healthy one on screen. But you

786
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,159
can't just write it off like that with no explanation

787
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,239
to the to the audience and expect the audience to

788
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,039
be on board. You had us every step of the

789
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,280
way on this relationship. We struggled with you for years.

790
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're in this mansion because of his.

791
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: Money, actually exactly. Yeah, So it's very weird how they

792
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,559
never mentioned Big. You would never know that Carrie was

793
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,840
married for twenty years. You would never know it because

794
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,239
she doesn't act like someone who was.

795
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,079
Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna text her.

796
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: From beyond from the grave. Yeah, just no, this show

797
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,880
has to be written off. I'm sorry. We're going to

798
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,519
finish it out. I think there's four more episodes.

799
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: Or something like that. They're definitely coming back, there's no doubt.

800
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. But I watch it, I

801
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,519
will not be now. It insults my intelligence. Yes, and

802
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,599
these are not the characters. These are just not the

803
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,880
characters that I followed for all those years.

804
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: And they're destroying all my memories of they actually are

805
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:47,960
thinking of that scene with Miranda's setting her toast on

806
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:51,920
fire accidentally while she was trying to and it's such

807
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,199
a funny scene, and she said, I showed an emotion

808
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,280
and I need to go home now.

809
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,119
Speaker 1: And then we see her like trying to get them

810
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:00,400
all to sing karay okiu. I'm like, who is this

811
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:03,800
bullshit bage? Oh bullshit bagels exactly?

812
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,639
Speaker 2: Come on, I mean so many great no now.

813
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,119
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, Carrie, you're the greatest writer ever. I know,

814
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:13,760
I know you Please. They just made her so unlikable.

815
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,599
Speaker 2: It, yeah, I don't understand. They're just there. It feel

816
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,760
it feels like they're they're they're telling certain stories and

817
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,000
using these characters to play them, you know what I mean.

818
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,639
Like it just they create these moments and then like

819
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,639
all right, let's let's have Carrie say that, Let's have

820
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,280
Miranda say that. Yeah, like, oh, play that even though

821
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,320
it makes no sense.

822
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: And just as another comparison, one of the funniest episodes

823
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,920
of the series of the original series was when they

824
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,559
all went to Atlantic City for Charlotte's birthday. Right, Oh

825
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,480
my god, so this is you know, you can't help

826
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,840
but make these comparisons because you're having another birthday party

827
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,559
for Charlotte, except this one is lame and I don't

828
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,880
know who any of these people are, and the other

829
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,800
one was actually really really funny, and there was all

830
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,840
this character stuff that you know, unpacked in that episode.

831
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,519
I believe that was the episode where where Samantha broke

832
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:05,760
up with Richard. I don't remember where sure were the

833
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,519
pearl Pong and she had to walk up all those

834
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:09,639
flights of side. Oh my god, it's been a pearl punk.

835
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,599
Speaker 2: That's the thing. There is no everything is so shallow,

836
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,480
there is no no like, there's.

837
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Nothing funny, there's nothing thought provoking, there's nothing interesting. Characters

838
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,719
don't from week to week like all right, at least

839
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,159
Todd Wexley's father died last week. Did she even have

840
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,320
a line this week? Did she? I mean, I think

841
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,239
she had a line about her annoying son and that

842
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,400
was that's it. That's that's her entire arc.

843
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: No, it's just what husband there.

844
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: For office? Like what happened to that? No, let's have

845
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:43,599
an entire thirty minutes about this stupid damn party, which

846
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,039
I don't even like any it's party and I don't know,

847
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:48,400
all right, I think we should wrap this.

848
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: Up thick of it. I mean, yeah, I mean that

849
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,480
that's pretty much it. They're not much to say, but

850
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,400
it's interesting to see. Like I said, uh, people talking

851
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,280
about it in a very negative way now, but they

852
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,199
still watch it, so and that's all they can.

853
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: I think it probably has one more season left. I

854
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,119
think the wheels have come off it, and I think

855
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:10,079
generally most people who watch it understand it's not a

856
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:13,000
good show. I think for the first couple of seasons

857
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,440
we were kind of hoping, you know, get its act together.

858
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:17,719
But this is the act. This is the show they

859
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,800
want to put out, and it really sucks. So yeah, done,

860
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,119
and as you said, they're they're coming close to ruining.

861
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,800
I think when this season is done, I need to

862
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,599
go and have a nice little sex industry rewatch. I

863
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,639
haven't really watched that series in.

864
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: The years, and I do want to say, if you

865
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,559
go back, it's it's a very problematic show.

866
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,559
Speaker 1: I mean there are certain yeah years.

867
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to say that everything is perfect.

868
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:45,119
It is, and especially if you watch now, but it

869
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:48,199
was very it was creative, it was interesting.

870
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: It asked questions. Yes, people in that show act like

871
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,880
recognizable adults with real problems and real fears and concerns

872
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:59,679
and that's not what this show is. It's people in mansions.

873
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: And if you watch Sex and the City, I mean,

874
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,280
things make sense. This is what people that age, you know,

875
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,840
go through. Now you have an opportunity here to show

876
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:18,360
people you know in their age doing interesting things, have

877
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:20,719
interesting discussion about things that they go through. But no,

878
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,559
they just have these very very very shallow lives, you know,

879
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:27,719
worrying about silly bullshit things, you know. And they're all

880
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,519
are wealthy a ton of money, and worry about silly things.

881
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:35,039
So yeah, there's nothing there.

882
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm nothing there, all right, and I'm tapped out. M

883
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,159
Do you have anything else you want to add? Well,

884
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,239
that's it, all right. Two podcasts in one week. Yeah, Hey,

885
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:45,480
we'll be back next week with whatever cross the Rise

886
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,159
across our Desks, which will probably be one another episode

887
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,320
of End. Just like that. Until then, take care of yourself,

888
00:44:52,480 --> 00:45:03,039
love you mean it. Bye bye. Include Advancing Link and

889
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,920
Advancing Week in Advance Tak to a Brasier Field to

890
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,119
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