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Speaker 2: He hop it down.
Speaker 1: First with the limp bonius face, and now on the
Speaker 1: very next pitch he up and stole second things with
Speaker 1: gradest he wasn't born, he had, yes, YOUNI born?
Speaker 2: All right. Welcome to episode Esteban Lewisa of The Prospect
Speaker 2: B Sides Podcast, Episode forty eight. I am Nate handy
Speaker 2: with me as always the rook oh rook exclamation point.
Speaker 3: Today, we're excited to be back, Nate. It's been way
Speaker 3: too long, man. I missed talking to you, hearing you
Speaker 3: on all these other podcasts, but you can make time
Speaker 3: to talk to little old me. I see how it is.
Speaker 2: Man. I did not expect like a six week hiatus
Speaker 2: from recording with you, but so apologies for that. I've
Speaker 2: missed talking to you as well. Matt. But esb Wisa,
Speaker 2: you approve that's this desaturation number forty eight, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 3: He's b said enough he had.
Speaker 2: One one nice like cy young caliber year. Yeah, white sucks.
Speaker 2: You know. I actually have a signed baseball from Esteban Ewisa. Really,
Speaker 2: I gotta be careful though, I can't be taking that
Speaker 2: thing through customs. I had no idea what might be
Speaker 2: inside of it?
Speaker 3: He gives you from his personal stash.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know where it came from.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's inside of that. I don't know
Speaker 2: where mister Lewisa is these days. I think is he
Speaker 2: still in prison? I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm hopeful that the Braves number forty eight is
Speaker 3: going to make a bit of a comeback this year.
Speaker 3: Ian Anderson is such a key part of a couple
Speaker 3: of deep postseason runs and might be back from the
Speaker 3: dead from the proverbial fantasy wasteland.
Speaker 2: So you know, I got that where I could use that.
Speaker 2: I could use return to that sort of form. But Noah,
Speaker 2: before man, the Cosmos news. Have you have you heard?
Speaker 3: What is good?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean the hered events revolving around the most
Speaker 2: of these days is just such an up and down,
Speaker 2: such a whirlwind. It was so positive feeling after all
Speaker 2: the UAP stuff, and now I don't know. It turns
Speaker 2: out twenty thirty two might be it for us. Huh.
Speaker 3: We got to talk to some of our dynasty mates
Speaker 3: that are rebuilding for twenty thirty two and might need
Speaker 3: to recalibrate their competitive windows.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, like a DSL guy, like those
Speaker 2: might just be all out the window right now. Twenty
Speaker 2: thirty two might be the last year we get to
Speaker 2: play this game. Yeah, they say three point one percent chance,
Speaker 2: but they're not going to be able to observe it
Speaker 2: again or something like that until like another year from now. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, the way that it's been trending, the possibility
Speaker 2: has been like doubling from like every other day. So
Speaker 2: I hope that trend stops and we get better news
Speaker 2: than a year.
Speaker 3: But the other thing to consider is that even if
Speaker 3: that goes up to one hundred percent gonna intersect Earth's orbit,
Speaker 3: it's still really small even Earth scale of things, it's
Speaker 3: a very small. So if it hits the ocean, like
Speaker 3: basically nothing is going to happen. The chances that it
Speaker 3: hits like something significant is way way smaller even than
Speaker 3: the chances that it hits Earth. So you know, just
Speaker 3: like keep that in context. It's I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: it's crazy we know about it this far in advance,
Speaker 3: Like that's amazing. Science is incredible and the astrophysics of
Speaker 3: it all is incredible. But yeah, this is not high
Speaker 3: on my list of worries currently.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm orderline terrified. But it could be like the
Speaker 2: size of a minivan or something like it's going to
Speaker 2: hit my house for sure.
Speaker 3: No, their current prediction, I think is like the Pacific.
Speaker 3: That's that's what they're saying.
Speaker 2: O's yeah, all.
Speaker 3: Right, well, which I mean, I don't know. I haven't
Speaker 3: seen all of your house, so like maybe your house
Speaker 3: is as big as the Pacific. But I'm guessing not.
Speaker 2: No, no, definitely not. Well. We are in the middle
Speaker 2: of like draft season, right, I think I'm like legit
Speaker 2: snack dab right in the middle halfway through half of
Speaker 2: my off season. D You know, we don't get asked
Speaker 2: questions from listeners to too often, Matt, but a lot
Speaker 2: of them did reach out and want to know how
Speaker 2: we kind of prioritized our B side selections that we
Speaker 2: were talking about this off season. And I think that's
Speaker 2: probably a good question, and I thought maybe we should,
Speaker 2: you know, try to answer that for some of our listeners.
Speaker 3: I know, sounds great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know last year we did like a bit
Speaker 2: of a competitive draft sort of thing, and I think
Speaker 2: we'll probably do the same sort of thing here tonight.
Speaker 2: You get aside I get aside and we'll kind of
Speaker 2: see how it all lines up at the end and
Speaker 2: crowned champion. But since we are in the middle of
Speaker 2: draft season, some of our B siders, Matt are like
Speaker 2: gaining popularity or at least upping their roster percentages. Right,
Speaker 2: we were picking all these guys the roster percentages back
Speaker 2: in September. We're from not created in fan tracks yet
Speaker 2: to two percent. Right. Maybe a couple went a little
Speaker 2: bit over, like three percent, But for the most part,
Speaker 2: that was the demographic derange we were looking for. And
Speaker 2: now that we're you know, it's probably a lot more
Speaker 2: dynasty leagues are drafting now on fan track. This is
Speaker 2: roster percentage data. I don't it will change when a
Speaker 2: lot of redraft leagues get up and running, so I
Speaker 2: imagine a lot of these percentages will will come back down.
Speaker 2: But I did put a list together mad of all
Speaker 2: of our B siders and where their roster percentages were
Speaker 2: sitting at. I don't know how much you've looked at that,
Speaker 2: but I think they're.
Speaker 3: Just in the five minutes since since you sent it
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: But you've looked at it, though, yes, you've looked at
Speaker 2: the yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, scrolling through.
Speaker 2: No surprise to me who's on top. Nestor German is
Speaker 2: at fifteen percent right now. I know he was what
Speaker 2: zero percent when we first talked about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have not been able to get him in any
Speaker 2: drafts he's been going before I had a chance to
Speaker 2: pull the trigger on him that. I don't know about you,
Speaker 2: but I've.
Speaker 3: Gotten him a couple of times. Once did from last
Speaker 3: year as a waiver pickup, and once early in a draft.
Speaker 2: So the Nestor German train seems to be picking up
Speaker 2: a little bit of speed. Second on the list. This
Speaker 2: was kind of surprising to me. But your Mariner's arm,
Speaker 2: Brandon Garcia is at thirteen percent.
Speaker 3: Mm.
Speaker 2: Threck me if I'm wrong here, But I think he's
Speaker 2: moving to the bullpen right like, that's that's where he's
Speaker 2: going to be.
Speaker 3: I think the report that I saw was they're giving
Speaker 3: him the chance to make the Mariners out of camp
Speaker 3: in the bullpen. I did see something else that said
Speaker 3: they still think he might have a shot to be
Speaker 3: a starter long term, but they've done this before, kind
Speaker 3: of like said, hey, maybe you've got a shot to
Speaker 3: move to the pen, but we're going to keep the
Speaker 3: door open. They did this a bit with Matt Brash,
Speaker 3: where he was a starter in the miners. They said,
Speaker 3: we love your stuff. You don't have a spot in
Speaker 3: the rotation, but you could earn a spot in the
Speaker 3: bullpen and then we'll reassess. And he was just so
Speaker 3: good in the pen that they like said you're going
Speaker 3: to stick in the pen. And then obviously TJ and
Speaker 3: all that. But anyway, I wonder if Brandon Garcia is
Speaker 3: going to have that same kind of optional path where
Speaker 3: he starts as a reliever. Maybe maybe they don't think
Speaker 3: he's ready for the bullpen and they want to keep
Speaker 3: him developing as a starter and they send him back
Speaker 3: to double A or Triple A. But I guess we're
Speaker 3: going to see a lot of Brandon Garcia versus like
Speaker 3: some real minor leaguers in spring training, which is fun too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At the time, my Philly's arm is now with
Speaker 2: the Twins after the Rule five draft, Iberson Castillano is
Speaker 2: at twelve percent, your guy Lucas Browns at ten percent,
Speaker 2: Will Simpson's at ten percent, idol kemps at nine percent.
Speaker 2: I was surprised Juan Valera, who is probably at the
Speaker 2: bottom of my thirty arms.
Speaker 3: That is a surprise to me too, is.
Speaker 2: That eight percent? Yeah, Chad Patrick is that eight percent?
Speaker 2: R J. Shreks at eight percent, Tintawa seven, kind of
Speaker 2: the early seven, Jake Miller seven, kind of Benitez seven Yet,
Speaker 2: how do you say his first name? Yead here? Arianamo
Speaker 2: at seven percent, lizbel Diez at seven percent, Gusto at six,
Speaker 2: Darlin Saladine at six. Yeah. I won't go through the rest,
Speaker 2: but there's a good junk. There's probably about twenty more
Speaker 2: arms that are above two percent right now. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's necessarily a true jump in popularity
Speaker 2: or the ratio of dynasty leagues to redraft leagues right
Speaker 2: now on fan t rex. Yeah, I don't know any
Speaker 2: any takeaways, there any surprises for you.
Speaker 3: I think, like you said, Valera being at eight percent
Speaker 3: as a surprise to me. I think Chad Patrick is
Speaker 3: probably too low at eight percent, Like that's He's somebody
Speaker 3: that I think that could easily be twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: percent depending on how things shake out early this year.
Speaker 3: Jake Miller's another one that if any of the reports
Speaker 3: that we've seen are to be believed, he should be
Speaker 3: up there at fifteen right now with Nestor German, like
Speaker 3: that's he looks great and we obviously loved him coming
Speaker 3: into this offseason. Yeah, a couple others that kind of
Speaker 3: surprised me a little bit, but not too much. I
Speaker 3: mean again, like you said, it's an odd time in
Speaker 3: the dynasty calendar where some you know, I think a
Speaker 3: lot of fypds and unowned prospect drafts are happening for
Speaker 3: our deeper leagues, but the redraft stuff hasn't picked up,
Speaker 3: so and a lot of these guys too, Like there's
Speaker 3: a good chance that some of them could move significantly
Speaker 3: based on spring training news. You know, I saw down
Speaker 3: there that John rave is at one percent fine, but
Speaker 3: if he wins like the right field job for the Royals,
Speaker 3: like that's going to be ten percent minimum coming out
Speaker 3: of spring training. So some of these are make a
Speaker 3: lot of sense. And you know, we came into this
Speaker 3: doing a bit of prep for a mini draft between us,
Speaker 3: and I don't really think it's a surprise who has
Speaker 3: ended up at the top, like that group of ten
Speaker 3: or so at the top, Like that's probably the top
Speaker 3: of our prep list. I don't know about you, but
Speaker 3: pretty close, it looks pretty similar to mine, with the
Speaker 3: exception of a couple of others.
Speaker 2: I know, I chatted about this a little bit with
Speaker 2: Clegg and the Dynasty dugout discord, but I'm kind of
Speaker 2: surprised that Will Johnston is still only at two percent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of. I don't know. I don't think there's
Speaker 2: too much of a difference in a play between he
Speaker 2: and like a Jake Miller. I kind of kind of
Speaker 2: value both those guys similarly, Any surprises, any takeaways from
Speaker 2: from your drafts so far this season, anything on the
Speaker 2: first year player side or supplement prospects.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let me get this out of the way first.
Speaker 3: I think fypds are a scam and I would trade
Speaker 3: my picks away in my fypds every single time. And
Speaker 3: there's a few reasons for this one.
Speaker 2: We know way.
Speaker 3: Less about the first year players than we think we do,
Speaker 3: and there's some great lists out there, there's some great
Speaker 3: scouting out there. Teams are doing, I think, an even
Speaker 3: better job than they ever have at trying to sort
Speaker 3: the wheep from the chaff in the draft, and that's
Speaker 3: great and hat tip to the awesome work that the
Speaker 3: folks do at Baseball America, And you know, Chris obviously
Speaker 3: goes super deep into the FYPD lists, and there's a
Speaker 3: bunch of others really good, like Aaron Layton, the stuff
Speaker 3: that he puts out TJ. Nestico, Like, there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of people that are doing really good, interesting work and
Speaker 3: trying to analyze this stuff. But as a dynasty baseball player,
Speaker 3: if my goal is to win, I think taking the
Speaker 3: FYPD picks is almost always the wrong choice, especially if
Speaker 3: you're in an unowned prospects an FYPD draft, I don't
Speaker 3: think dynasty owners appropriately value the extra information that you
Speaker 3: have about the unowned prospects. This gives us two things. One,
Speaker 3: the valance, like the spread of risk is narrower even
Speaker 3: for a young guy who's just touching low A that
Speaker 3: you generally still have more looks and a better calibration
Speaker 3: of their talent even with two hundred and fifty low
Speaker 3: A plate appearances than you do from five hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty over three seasons in college. And I don't think
Speaker 3: we act like that in fypds. And I think this
Speaker 3: is where we get in trouble. When you look at
Speaker 3: like the historical performance of the you know whatever, top
Speaker 3: hundred picks in a draft or in an FYPD dynasty ranking.
Speaker 3: I just think we see some of the hurting that
Speaker 3: happens in list making. We get excited about the possibility
Speaker 3: of what could be, but that risk is actually way
Speaker 3: bigger than we think, and the small sample performance of
Speaker 3: guys in their fifty plate appearances after the draft or
Speaker 3: that they didn't pitch, I don't think we do a
Speaker 3: good enough job weighing that against real performance. Put my
Speaker 3: money where I'm matt mouth is here, Like I've in
Speaker 3: our thirty teamer that you and I are in. I
Speaker 3: traded away all five of my FYPD picks this year,
Speaker 3: and this is a deep thirty team league. This is
Speaker 3: a bunch of sharp owners. I don't think these people
Speaker 3: are bad at this, and by any means, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of really sharp minds in there. But I think
Speaker 3: from a roster construction and risk to reward evaluation standpoint,
Speaker 3: you're almost always better going for the prospect that you
Speaker 3: know more about than the mystery box that could be.
Speaker 3: And the example I'll bring up here, and again no
Speaker 3: shade on my trade partner, they're super sharp in dynasty
Speaker 3: and I think made a lot of good moves in
Speaker 3: this draft, a lot of good picks. But I traded
Speaker 3: my first overall pick, the twentieth overall pick in our
Speaker 3: FYPD and Tursou ornellis who I like, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: has a sh to play in the Big six year
Speaker 3: for Dylan Dingler and Chase my draft, and he took
Speaker 3: Carson Benge at that pick one twenty. And I think
Speaker 3: if you if you're the Mets and Carson Benge does
Speaker 3: what Chase my draft has done the last two years,
Speaker 3: you're fucking thrilled. You're like, Wow, we crushed that pick
Speaker 3: at what at whatever he went like at seventeenth or
Speaker 3: whatever it was in this draft, we crushed that pick.
Speaker 3: That's incredible. That's like a small chance, like maybe that's
Speaker 3: an eightieth percentile outcome for him, maybe seventy p It's
Speaker 3: definitely above average when you look at like the return
Speaker 3: on investment for second half of the first round pick.
Speaker 3: And my draft, while divisive, is considered a top one
Speaker 3: hundred prospect by a lot of outlets and certainly fantasy
Speaker 3: relevant ones, and the especially in a points league in
Speaker 3: that kind of format. Knowing your format, piece like to me,
Speaker 3: my drafts should have gone in the top five picks
Speaker 3: of this draft if people were like really ruthless about
Speaker 3: this and tired about like performance only. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: and maybe I'm wrong, and maybe all of the computers
Speaker 3: and the performance that he's had is going to completely
Speaker 3: collapse because he can't hit the ball super hard. Totally
Speaker 3: a possibility. There is that risk that the jump from
Speaker 3: Triple A to major leagues is too much for him.
Speaker 3: But I think this is indicative of we like the
Speaker 3: mystery box toys of the FYPD, and we should put
Speaker 3: a lot more stock in the performance and the tape
Speaker 3: that we see in pro ball, not what we see
Speaker 3: in college or underclass or in the perfect game stuff.
Speaker 3: So that's my like overall rant. That means that I
Speaker 3: generally lean pretty far away from taking any FYPD guys,
Speaker 3: you know, outside of like maybe the top couple, Like
Speaker 3: maybe I would take one of those really pretty boy
Speaker 3: guys at the very top of the draft. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm never at that position to see. I think people
Speaker 3: would be well served to take a good look at
Speaker 3: like are you in it for the excitement of maybe
Speaker 3: hitting on the mystery box guy or should you just
Speaker 3: go for the guy that you know a bit more about.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's your feeling on this, Nate. You're
Speaker 3: in that same draft and you've made some trades for
Speaker 3: and moving back, So what do you think about that.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because that league is pretty long standing, and
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people have the opinion that
Speaker 2: this first year player draft or this first year player
Speaker 2: class is maybe not their favorites. But yet this was
Speaker 2: the first time in the show that all thirty first
Speaker 2: round picks were first year players. I think it says
Speaker 2: a couple of things. I do think you know, in
Speaker 2: the past there'd be an unrostered prospect. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is easily a top ten guy for me. In
Speaker 2: this draft, those those guys are getting rostered more and more. So,
Speaker 2: I think it's says a compliment to the league as
Speaker 2: a whole that the good prospects are getting rostered a
Speaker 2: lot more. But I think I agree with a lot
Speaker 2: of what you said there. I'm much more inclined to
Speaker 2: take a player that I know more about than I
Speaker 2: do less. I think that's at the core of what
Speaker 2: you were kind of saying there. But I do also
Speaker 2: understand the Okay, I might know a lot about you know,
Speaker 2: I don't kempt, but how excited him I about his MLB,
Speaker 2: you know, potential and what his role might look like.
Speaker 2: And you know, depending on your roster and where you sit,
Speaker 2: maybe just taking a moonshot taking a guest on the
Speaker 2: guys is more up your alley, you know, or more
Speaker 2: of what you want to do. But I agree, I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of you know, shoot, we do
Speaker 2: the B side stuff, man. I think there's there's always
Speaker 2: some prospects out there that I value a lot more
Speaker 2: than some top one hundred guys. And I think that's
Speaker 2: kind of our whole point and what we're trying to
Speaker 2: share and discover who some of those guys might be.
Speaker 3: Right, I was just going to say on that point,
Speaker 3: like there's something of the curse of knowledge here where
Speaker 3: because we pay so much more attention to guys that
Speaker 3: just really aren't getting rostered in many dynasty leagues at all.
Speaker 3: That the kind of knowledge base or like, I know
Speaker 3: of another ten prospects that I would happily roster on
Speaker 3: this league even after this thing finishes, and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't have space for all of them. And that
Speaker 3: also plays into it too. Just I'm not looking at
Speaker 3: a list to tell me this is who's interesting, because
Speaker 3: we've got lists on lists, on lists that are a
Speaker 3: thousand prospects deep that we've evaluated, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you're ranting a little bit. So many
Speaker 2: times you hear somebody like, hey, I took Seth Halverson
Speaker 2: in my first year player draft. Can we call it
Speaker 2: something else because that wasn't a first year player draft
Speaker 2: if you drafted Seth Helverston. Yeah, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: do have a draft one league that's a true first
Speaker 2: year player nothing else. But I think the majority of
Speaker 2: the dynasty minor league draft. It's like a minor league
Speaker 2: supplemental thing with first year player. So I don't have
Speaker 2: a good name for it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the off season.
Speaker 2: A little confusing when people are off.
Speaker 3: Season prospect draft. No, that's a good point too. I
Speaker 3: think the other point, and this is something that I
Speaker 3: think we chatted about last week. I was in another
Speaker 3: points league draft and again that's an international free agent
Speaker 3: and unknown prospects and FYPD guys, and that first round
Speaker 3: was absolutely hilarious to me because this league is very specific.
Speaker 3: It is to shallow. I mean relatively, it's like fourteen
Speaker 3: or fifteen teams something like that, so kind of a
Speaker 3: shallow league. The roster limits are not super deep. I
Speaker 3: think it's like a was it thirty five roster or
Speaker 3: forty one total roster, so like max your minor leagues
Speaker 3: is like fifteen. So it's not very deep. And it's
Speaker 3: also a pretty different points format that is very very
Speaker 3: strikeout heavy penalty and pitching friendly. And everybody just went
Speaker 3: down the draft as if it was like you know,
Speaker 3: Chris Klegg's FYPD list. You know, Roki went first, makes sense,
Speaker 3: and then they just went like straight down the FYPD order.
Speaker 3: Not an appropriate enough weight on the format that we're
Speaker 3: playing in, and some of that, like maybe you just
Speaker 3: draft like the top couple names because they're still going
Speaker 3: to fetch something in trade value. But for me, like
Speaker 3: I took Caleb Durban in the first round ahead of
Speaker 3: like a whole host of dudes that like Durbin is
Speaker 3: way behind and most like Fantasy list, but it's because
Speaker 3: the guy's not going to cave very much. He's probably
Speaker 3: going to play decent amount this year, and he'll steal
Speaker 3: some bags, and all of those things are rewarded really
Speaker 3: well in this league, and I was like, most of
Speaker 3: my picks ended up being like that because I just
Speaker 3: don't think that a bunch of the other FYPD pretty
Speaker 3: boys fit that bill. A lot of them have strikeout
Speaker 3: concerns but decent power, and that's just not a thing
Speaker 3: that really plays in this league. So my other point
Speaker 3: is like, you should care a lot about your format
Speaker 3: and that should absolutely change how you decide to draft.
Speaker 2: Definitely, Like to your original point here, I think you
Speaker 2: can see it a lot when you know, what is
Speaker 2: it now at mid July or whatever, when folks will
Speaker 2: like update their prospect ranks, right, and they're now including
Speaker 2: this year's draftees. Right. I don't have any statistics to
Speaker 2: back this up, but been observing these things for a
Speaker 2: while now, and it feels like to me, when that happens,
Speaker 2: you'll get like a I don't know how many you'll get,
Speaker 2: like ten to twenty MLB draft. E's like put in
Speaker 2: someone's top top one hundred, but then a lot of
Speaker 2: those guys end up falling out of it, right. And
Speaker 2: I think it's the same phenomenon that you're talking about,
Speaker 2: but it's the new name we don't know that this
Speaker 2: guy sucks yet, right, So I'm going to take a
Speaker 2: stab here, but I think that I thought it.
Speaker 3: Was interesting that I thought it was interesting. In Eric
Speaker 3: Logenhingen's Top one hundred at Fangrafts this week, he mentioned
Speaker 3: and a couple of commentors noted, that there weren't a
Speaker 3: ton of the first year player from this past draft
Speaker 3: in his top one hundred. I think fewer than often
Speaker 3: get there, and some of that is maybe the relative
Speaker 3: weakness of the class, but some of that, too, I
Speaker 3: think is a reflection on when they've kind of been
Speaker 3: over enthusiastic on and put more weight on things that
Speaker 3: have turned out to be a little bit unreliable. And
Speaker 3: you know, one of my favorite sources for additional context
Speaker 3: and information is Denzenborski and his zips, and he put
Speaker 3: out his zip's top one hundred, and he basically ignores
Speaker 3: the first year players because he's like, the high school
Speaker 3: and college data that we get is not predictive, and
Speaker 3: their draft position is not predictive or not strongly enough
Speaker 3: predictive for me to include it in this sample. And
Speaker 3: I think that that represents a buying opportunity for most
Speaker 3: people that you can trade back ignore the top pretty
Speaker 3: boys like do kind of your own thing, and the
Speaker 3: opportunity cost is actually not that high. Like the bus
Speaker 3: rate is still super super high even for top five
Speaker 3: draft picks, and we just don't know. So I think
Speaker 3: that while teams and dynasty rankers and prospect rankers are
Speaker 3: definitely getting better, there are still such huge questions even
Speaker 3: from some of the top SEC performers. I think that's
Speaker 3: still relevant, Like the Charlie Condon came into the draft
Speaker 3: and just crushed it last year, was kind of bad
Speaker 3: as a pro and now he's like in dropping out
Speaker 3: of the top twenty five, top thirty in some places
Speaker 3: that I've seen in fypds, because again, we really don't
Speaker 3: know until they hit and perform or don't in pro ball,
Speaker 3: and so why not take the remove at least some
Speaker 3: of that risk by seeing how somebody has done against
Speaker 3: against real professionals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one true first year player draft that I'm in.
Speaker 2: It's five rounds. It's a fourteen team roto, I believe.
Speaker 2: But you have to drop anybody from your existing spec
Speaker 2: list if you want to house your first year player picks, right,
Speaker 2: So dude, I got like I got to the third round,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want any more of my picks.
Speaker 2: No one I'm gonna pick here is gonna boot somebody
Speaker 2: off my list. So I just kicked them down the
Speaker 2: road and got to pick next year or something like that.
Speaker 2: But it's tricky. I think I get more and more picky,
Speaker 2: selective first year player players that I'll actually want to like,
Speaker 2: sort of draft and commit to, and there's less and
Speaker 2: less every year, I think. Yeah, but I'm also getting
Speaker 2: to see less and less of them now hit full
Speaker 2: season ball and MLB dot TV, so that might play
Speaker 2: into it as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wish they would just film and showcase that dev
Speaker 3: league that they're doing or whatever they're calling it that uh,
Speaker 3: what's it called? What do they call it? I wanted
Speaker 3: to short season, but that's the Bridge League, that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Which is a ridiculous name to me. That's like my
Speaker 2: grandmother played in a Bridge league? Like what that's true?
Speaker 3: My uncle plays in a Bridge league?
Speaker 2: Yea? They should we draft it up here? Should we
Speaker 2: put some of our I don't know, I want to
Speaker 2: say money, but we're not betting anything, but some of
Speaker 2: our pride where our mouth is here?
Speaker 3: What are we doing like we're taking five hitters five
Speaker 3: pitchers each and talking about him and try and spread
Speaker 3: them around this ownership list. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, we broke down and got into all these
Speaker 2: players in previous episodes, so I don't I don't think
Speaker 2: I want to get like too too deep like we
Speaker 2: did there. If folks want to listen to his talk
Speaker 2: more about some of these players. I have all the
Speaker 2: players time stamped on the episodes and when we get
Speaker 2: into them. But yeah, I mean, I think we could
Speaker 2: briefly chat about them. You're supposedly the defending champ in this,
Speaker 2: so I guess I'll let you go first.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I'm going to leave the number one guy
Speaker 3: on the board again because you like you identified him.
Speaker 3: He's kind of your guy, but a huge coas on
Speaker 3: on me, and I think in a vacuum I would
Speaker 3: take Nesser German here.
Speaker 2: I would too. Let's just skip him. He's already getting popular.
Speaker 2: We're not going to take all right, that's like the
Speaker 2: most out of our list.
Speaker 3: It really had a tough time breaking this down because
Speaker 3: I genuinely think my like the top ten arms that
Speaker 3: I drafted, I love them. I would be like thrilled
Speaker 3: in a thirty team or if this was my set
Speaker 3: of arms that I'm rostering, I'll go with Ben Shields
Speaker 3: as my first one. You know, we didn't mention him
Speaker 3: in the intro, and while I've raved about him on
Speaker 3: the show, I'm still not seeing a ton of people
Speaker 3: pick him in FYPDS. I picked him in two because
Speaker 3: I really really love what he's doing and think he's
Speaker 3: the real deal.
Speaker 2: Only at right now, I know I.
Speaker 3: Saw that on the list only three percent, and I
Speaker 3: think that is criminally underrated. Shoot, I'm forgetting where I
Speaker 3: saw this now, but it might have been the robo
Speaker 3: Scout Top one hundred Baseball America Dylan White's robo scout tool.
Speaker 3: It put Ben Shields as a top one hundred arm.
Speaker 3: Right now, I fully agree this guy belongs in that
Speaker 3: like forty five plus to fifty tier of Like this
Speaker 3: guy in the next year could earn in a major
Speaker 3: league gaverage rotation spot and maybe he debuts and it's
Speaker 3: like a one point five war kind of guy or
Speaker 3: one war kind of guy and one hundred innings and
Speaker 3: at peak he's you know, a one seventy five kind
Speaker 3: of inning pitcher and is a kind of two point
Speaker 3: two to three war starter. Like, I'm not saying this
Speaker 3: guy is going to be Paul Schemes or anything, but
Speaker 3: his depth of rotation, quality of stuff, the comps that
Speaker 3: I had on him to a bunch of Max freed pitches,
Speaker 3: but with additional pitches on top of that. It is
Speaker 3: no wonder to me that this dude just crushed the
Speaker 3: Eastern League this year, and I think he's gonna continue
Speaker 3: to rise in the ranks, and I'm really hope that
Speaker 3: the Yankees just PLoP him in Scranton and just see
Speaker 3: what he does. I just think he is super talented
Speaker 3: left handed pitcher with a deep arsenal of quality pitches
Speaker 3: and velocity numbers aren't eye popping, but I think the
Speaker 3: shape and the pitchability and the command all are there
Speaker 3: and such the fastball itself plays up, and the depth
Speaker 3: of repertoire helps helps everything come together too. So Ben
Speaker 3: Shields is my would be my number one pick here
Speaker 3: and again I've put my money where my mouth is year.
Speaker 3: I've got him in a bunch of leagues now, and
Speaker 3: even the leagues where I don't have him, I've tried
Speaker 3: to trade for him, sometimes unsuccessfully, sometimes successfully. So Shields
Speaker 3: is my guy here.
Speaker 2: My only hesitation with Shields, And I've been sitting at
Speaker 2: the draft table thinking about him a few times as
Speaker 2: I and I just went with somebody else. Is the
Speaker 2: opportunity right now as things sit? How many innings is
Speaker 2: he going to get with the Yankees? Does it require
Speaker 2: that he moves, get traded whatever, So that has been
Speaker 2: a tiebreaker for me with him and a couple other
Speaker 2: guys this draft season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to that point, I don't know how many
Speaker 3: innings he gets. I hard to put in a confident
Speaker 3: over under on it. The Yankees they're super rich as
Speaker 3: an organization, both in talent and in money. So if
Speaker 3: some of their pitchers don't pan out, you know, Rodan
Speaker 3: gets hurt, Free blows out his elbow in his first
Speaker 3: year of his contract, Like, they do have some other
Speaker 3: depth that I think they'd look at to fill things in.
Speaker 3: You know, Will Warren notably probably ahead of him. I
Speaker 3: don't know if really anybody else is that much farther ahead.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not on the forty, So there's that.
Speaker 3: So I think that also this year, like if you
Speaker 3: really need the innings, this year is probably not his year.
Speaker 3: But just talent, like maybe he's eighth or ninth in
Speaker 3: their pecking order, and major league teams use like thirteen
Speaker 3: starters in the course of a year, and if somebody's
Speaker 3: really good, they'll keep giving him run. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 3: I don't think Brandon Lee Brandt and Alan Winan's and
Speaker 3: whatever thirty eight year old Carlos Carrasco have left are
Speaker 3: really that much of an impediment to Ben Shields ultimately
Speaker 3: getting innings. That's it's a fair tiebreaker to use to say, like,
Speaker 3: I need the innings this year, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if I'm going to get him from Shields, but I
Speaker 3: do re term that I'm pretty darn bullish on his
Speaker 3: his skills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't disagree with him as a pitcher as
Speaker 2: a player, valuing him at the top of our offseason
Speaker 2: work here. Yeah, draft season's fun because you get put
Speaker 2: to the fire and you have to make your choices
Speaker 2: and you find out who you like better than some others. So,
Speaker 2: at least my first handful here, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: kind of stick to what I learned and who I
Speaker 2: learned I liked the most out of our selections this year. First,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with my guy, Ryan Gusto nice.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, obviously he was supposed to debut
Speaker 2: last season. I don't know how much run he's going
Speaker 2: to get that fifth spot. I think it's kind of
Speaker 2: up for grabs at least right now in the Astros rotation.
Speaker 2: I'm not betting that he ends up breaking camp as
Speaker 2: their fifth starter, but I think a shot and a
Speaker 2: run is relatively quick here. And you know, like we
Speaker 2: talked about, I like him as a sum of all parts.
Speaker 2: I like him as a competitor as a person. Is
Speaker 2: he the flashiest sexiest picture on my list this year?
Speaker 2: Probably not, But I think Major League's success is very
Speaker 2: much an outcome for Gusta. So I'll stick with him
Speaker 2: and go with him first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that one a lot. I don't think
Speaker 3: I have any shares. I have definitely asked after him
Speaker 3: as like a balancer in a couple of trades that
Speaker 3: haven't gone through, but like he's somebody that I keep
Speaker 3: targeting to. All right, let's go to the athlete side
Speaker 3: of things. I'll highlight my number one here. You know,
Speaker 3: Nate and I both identified a bunch of guys that
Speaker 3: we were had in common that that we liked. The
Speaker 3: top of my list though, was Aaron Estrada, and again
Speaker 3: in our thirty teamer that we were just talking about,
Speaker 3: I traded for Estrata with what I thought was great
Speaker 3: price for my fifth round FIPD pick, which shows kind
Speaker 3: of how others view Estrata and I get it like
Speaker 3: he's on the smaller side. He's not. He's definitely overshadowed
Speaker 3: in the deep and highly talented Baltimore system. But Aerin
Speaker 3: Astrata just does so many things that I like, and
Speaker 3: he's young and keeps performing even at advanced levels. His
Speaker 3: worst season was the last little kind of month of
Speaker 3: the season that he spent at High A this year,
Speaker 3: and he was still a league average hitter as a
Speaker 3: nineteen year old. The guys that were younger at that
Speaker 3: level or higher, that list is vanishingly short, and ones
Speaker 3: that did better than him is like two guys. It's
Speaker 3: like Sebastian Walcott and who's the other one, Walker Jenkins.
Speaker 3: I guess like are the two that were younger than
Speaker 3: him went to the same level or higher and did better.
Speaker 3: So that to me, I do care a lot about
Speaker 3: h to level performance for a hitter. I think one
Speaker 3: of the things is he's just getting underrated for his size,
Speaker 3: and you know my feelings on that that if you're
Speaker 3: a performer, baller's gonna ball and I don't really care
Speaker 3: what your size is. So Aeron Estrada is my pick
Speaker 3: here is do a bit of everything, really talented as
Speaker 3: a youngster.
Speaker 2: Nice personally. If you want to take him, whatever, But
Speaker 2: I'm going to skip over Iverson Castillano just because of
Speaker 2: the rule five thing makes a little hairy. I did
Speaker 2: draft him again, I have been rastering him. If you
Speaker 2: want to value him this year, it's got to be
Speaker 2: in a spot where you got to he's gonna be
Speaker 2: a nothing burger to that much relief pitcher for you
Speaker 2: for a season and then hope that in i don't
Speaker 2: know a year or two years, you get a starter
Speaker 2: out of it. It's a good point, but I know
Speaker 2: there's a lot of formats that just make him that
Speaker 2: worth it. But I do like him in a sense
Speaker 2: just as much as done near anyway b side this year,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to draft. I'm kind of split
Speaker 2: and torn here between one of my guys and one
Speaker 2: of your guys, So I'll just let my guy win
Speaker 2: the tiebreaker. Here and I'll go with RJ. Shrek nice.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know he's a non roster invite
Speaker 2: this camp. Imagine he'll be getting a lot of decent
Speaker 2: run and outfield. I remember when we talked about him.
Speaker 2: I think this is just a guy who's got a
Speaker 2: real shot to carve out an MLB job. He's you know,
Speaker 2: he might not put out put up the monster evs
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but when it comes to like
Speaker 2: batted ball shape, he's just like kind of primo getting
Speaker 2: the most out of his batted balls. So RJ. Shrek,
Speaker 2: I think that was a great get by the blue Jays,
Speaker 2: and you know they I kind of feel like the
Speaker 2: blue Jays are it's kind of wide open there right now.
Speaker 2: It feels like with a lot of their their farm,
Speaker 2: what's going on at the major league level, Like there
Speaker 2: could very well be a lot of jobs up for grabs,
Speaker 2: you know, next year or two and if they're going
Speaker 2: to be kind of a whole new front office and
Speaker 2: stuff might be in the cards. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: RJ Shrek my favorite B side bat this offseason.
Speaker 3: So do you think Shrek can play center?
Speaker 2: I know he has some I think I haven't watched
Speaker 2: enough defense to know for sure things. The gist that
Speaker 2: I get from it all is like he's probably passable
Speaker 2: and serviceable and could play there from time to time.
Speaker 2: There's probably not where you want him all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that. The Santander signing for muddles
Speaker 3: the to me looking at their roster, just an in
Speaker 3: terms of opportunity, looks like a lot of corner outfield guys.
Speaker 3: You know, class A is the fastest, but I don't
Speaker 3: think he's a very good center fielder. Lit Berfedo, Alan Roden,
Speaker 3: Stuart Baroa, like all of those guys are corner guys
Speaker 3: to me. And that's on top of George Springer who's
Speaker 3: not going anywhere and Santander who's now signed for a while.
Speaker 3: And obviously there's some DH reps to go through too,
Speaker 3: but it's not like their infield is that freed up either.
Speaker 3: I actually, in one of my drafts, I hovered between RJ.
Speaker 3: Shrek and Alan Roaden, one of the other guys that's
Speaker 3: like Sue, similar kind of player, and I went Rodent
Speaker 3: just because the bat to ball skills for Roden, I
Speaker 3: think or a touch better.
Speaker 2: I think he's probably had a Shrek in like the
Speaker 2: sort of pecking order right now too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I mean that's the thing though, is like,
Speaker 3: how are these guys going to get reps? I think
Speaker 3: this year it seems unlikely either of them will get
Speaker 3: a lot of run. Definitely think Shrek as a talent
Speaker 3: and his ability to get under a ball and hit
Speaker 3: it in the air no matter where it is, Like
Speaker 3: we talked about that, that's a fricking superpower and he's
Speaker 3: so good at it. Yeah, okay, let's go. Yeah, let's
Speaker 3: go back over to arms. And I mentioned this at
Speaker 3: the outset, but Chad Patrick is my second one I
Speaker 3: want to highlight here.
Speaker 2: That was my tie here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just he popped on was at the zips
Speaker 3: list where he was top seventy five or something for him?
Speaker 3: Am I making that up now? I'm saying that I
Speaker 3: can't remember where I saw this or was that also
Speaker 3: the robo scout thing might have been that, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think that was the robo Scout one as well. I
Speaker 3: don't think he was on the zip's top one hundred anyway.
Speaker 3: I think that Patrick is another one that he just
Speaker 3: led the International League in strikeouts, and that is I
Speaker 3: think we underrate how difficult that is to do both
Speaker 3: in the combination of the sheer quantity of innings that
Speaker 3: you have to throw, which I love having a platform
Speaker 3: that says your actual starter quality pitcher that can last
Speaker 3: deep into a game and do it for a whole season.
Speaker 3: It also showcases the way his arsenal actually plays and
Speaker 3: diving into the stat cast it's available in Triple A. Again,
Speaker 3: like Patrick showed that all of his arsenal is playable
Speaker 3: at the Triple A level, and especially that cutter first arsenal.
Speaker 3: Like I think he's he's adopted the kind of modern
Speaker 3: fastball heavy approach sort of. I think maybe lance Lynn
Speaker 3: kind of pioneered this where he throws, you know, ninety
Speaker 3: percent fastballs, but it's actually three completely distinct shapes and
Speaker 3: it's actually three separate pitches and is kind of a
Speaker 3: nightmare for hitters to know which of these fast pitches
Speaker 3: and which direction they're going, And Patrick does that exceptionally well.
Speaker 3: Also has a great change up. I mean, like, I
Speaker 3: just think that this arsenal is underrated because it's not
Speaker 3: ninety eight plus from alrighty, but we've seen that it's
Speaker 3: super effective. I think the numbers back that up and
Speaker 3: the visual evaluation does as well, and unlike some of
Speaker 3: these other picks, I do think there's a world in
Speaker 3: which he gets the opportunity to pitch significant innings this year,
Speaker 3: and I'm super excited to see it. So Chad Patrick's
Speaker 3: my other kind of top tier guy I wanted to highlight.
Speaker 2: I think I've drafted him three times this off season,
Speaker 2: hoping to get some utility out of him right away
Speaker 2: this season. Right, I think that's very much on the table.
Speaker 2: Who do you think will get Who do you think
Speaker 2: gets a shot first, Logan Henderson or Chad Patrick Patrick?
Speaker 3: I think, I mean he's just higher up in the
Speaker 3: pecking order. And look, I love Logan Henderson, you know it, everybody.
Speaker 3: I tried to yell about it so much last year,
Speaker 3: and were it not for his industry injury, I think
Speaker 3: Logan Henderson might be ahead in that pecking order. But
Speaker 3: just the amount of innings that Patrick threw and the
Speaker 3: platform that he gave him, Like, I think that they
Speaker 3: are going to see what Patrick has if they need
Speaker 3: to fill in. I also love Casey Hunt in that
Speaker 3: same kind of like those three to me, or the
Speaker 3: three most exciting arms for the Brewers, and that is
Speaker 3: definitely shaded on Jacob Misrawski. You know, I would not
Speaker 3: be surprised to see those three in the Milwaukee rotation
Speaker 3: for a long time to come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my next one here's gonna be a young arm
Speaker 2: or young bat, and both of them. I don't know
Speaker 2: if we would sat down and done this a month
Speaker 2: ago or something like that, before my drafts, I probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't have these guys up here. But trying to stay
Speaker 2: true to what I did when I sat down at
Speaker 2: the draft table, right, And I'm kind of surprised that
Speaker 2: I ended up going with both these guys before a
Speaker 2: couple more advanced, older arms and bats. But let's go
Speaker 2: with I'm gonna go with Jose or being a.
Speaker 3: Rays interesting interesting, like.
Speaker 2: I've been sitting there with with like him at the
Speaker 2: top of my pitching que and Jake Miller and like
Speaker 2: Will Johnston some of your guys. And maybe it's because
Speaker 2: it's later in drafts or whatever it might be, or
Speaker 2: maybe it's situational to the team, but I've been taking
Speaker 2: the kind of the home run more of a home
Speaker 2: run swing and taking Urbina over those guys, So I
Speaker 2: feel like I gotta keep it real and do it here.
Speaker 2: So Jose, being a young arm in the raised system,
Speaker 2: I like the look of a lot. Has a really hard, firm,
Speaker 2: good looking slider, good looking fastball. He's a young kid
Speaker 2: who went through like a crazy growth spurt last year
Speaker 2: or two years. Big frame, big frame that you can
Speaker 2: still fill out, I think, and uh yeah, just going
Speaker 2: for a bit of a boom here.
Speaker 3: And so I know that there are a couple of
Speaker 3: other folks that like him. I think he's pretty high
Speaker 3: up in Chris Klegg's latest list, So you're you're far
Speaker 3: from alone on this one. I looked long and hard
Speaker 3: at him in one of my drafts because I, you know,
Speaker 3: you shouted him and we had talked about him, and
Speaker 3: I hadn't watched him much, and man, I like didn't
Speaker 3: see it, you know what I mean, Like it's this
Speaker 3: is just one of these guys that why can't he
Speaker 3: punch anybody out if the stuff is so good? And yeah,
Speaker 3: he's young, but like even on the complex, he's punching
Speaker 3: out eight per nine and walking almost five per nine,
Speaker 3: and that's something.
Speaker 2: He knows how to pitch very well. Play Yet yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I know we talked about that when we when we
Speaker 3: did the Al East episode.
Speaker 2: But well, I mean, if you think about last year, Matt,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously I drafted arms in our thing, but
Speaker 2: I drafted a lot of the wrong ones, and a
Speaker 2: lot of the guys that I just had a little
Speaker 2: young guys that I had a little look at were
Speaker 2: the ones that blew up, like Gary Gale Hill and
Speaker 2: some others. So maybe it's dumb, but I don't want
Speaker 2: to make that mistake again. So I'm going to go
Speaker 2: with the guy that I thought was the most exciting
Speaker 2: young teenage got down at a ball b sider for
Speaker 2: me this year, and that was Urbina.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, all right, go back over to the
Speaker 3: hitter side for me, and this is the guy that
Speaker 3: we both really really like. So no surprise, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: highlight Logan Wagner here. Logan Wagner is and other of
Speaker 3: these guys that I think has a ton of talent.
Speaker 3: He's basically done nothing but Rake when he's on the field.
Speaker 3: He just hasn't been on the field that much. And
Speaker 3: I don't know whether it's the like I just like
Speaker 3: seeing such that top tier performance, but he's in this
Speaker 3: similar bucket to me. As an Emmanuel Rodriguez chased the
Speaker 3: latter like guys that have these incredible performance that they've
Speaker 3: showed when they've been on the field, but it's starting
Speaker 3: to get worrisome how little they're on the field. While
Speaker 3: my worry about him is twofold one that he keeps
Speaker 3: moving down the defensive spectrum. You know, he came in
Speaker 3: as a shortstop and it was third base, and I
Speaker 3: think now he's played some first and left and who
Speaker 3: knows if he's got a defensive home and so that
Speaker 3: might put additional pressure on the bat. But I also
Speaker 3: worry that these injuries are like he is a little
Speaker 3: more injury prone and that might eat into his viability
Speaker 3: as a fantasy player as well. But watching him, I
Speaker 3: really struggled to pick knits with the swing, with the performance,
Speaker 3: and just to me, I feel like he is massively underrated. Still.
Speaker 3: We were literally talking about it in the discord and
Speaker 3: then one of my buddies in the draft saw it
Speaker 3: and just took him, and I was totally plad I
Speaker 3: got taking in with one of my last picks because
Speaker 3: of course nobody's on him still, and he saw it
Speaker 3: and was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna take a look
Speaker 3: at Wagner. I was like, all right, yeah, fair, fair,
Speaker 3: so logan for me, he's a top tier B side bat.
Speaker 3: I would be shocked if he does not rise significantly
Speaker 3: in popularity this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just stay on the field. But he's definitely there's
Speaker 2: a clump of young switch hitters that I am just like,
Speaker 2: have been enamored with and watching of late, and he's
Speaker 2: definitely at the top of that list. For me, I'll
Speaker 2: go with the batman that I was between last pick
Speaker 2: and again, I'm kind of surprised that I find myself
Speaker 2: going him over some of the older, more advanced bats
Speaker 2: that we talked about this offseason. But Liz Bell Diez,
Speaker 2: oh love that one. I just think I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just liked the look of his technique and his
Speaker 2: swing so much. It's so easy and it's so simple,
Speaker 2: and he really turned it on the back half of
Speaker 2: last year as what eighteen year old and a ball.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's because in some spots I've been chasing
Speaker 2: after power a little bit more because I didn't. I
Speaker 2: was just feeling a little white there and my minor list.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I find myself I've popped him several times
Speaker 2: in drafts last season. So Lizbell, Diaz will be my
Speaker 2: second hitter, third or third hitter, second second hitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, great pick. And he's somebody that I've been
Speaker 3: targeting in trades where I'm trying to consolidate or get
Speaker 3: a get a kind of young bat throw in that
Speaker 3: I think is a little underrated. But for all reasons
Speaker 3: you said, like he has got some real power as
Speaker 3: a young guy, and I think a decent hit tool too,
Speaker 3: Like it's nothing to sneeze at as an eighteen year
Speaker 3: old and full season ball to have an eighteen percent
Speaker 3: k rate, like, especially when it comes with significant power,
Speaker 3: like that's pretty rare. So I'm I'm a big, big
Speaker 3: fan of his two. I think this is a great pick.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of those spots where I've gotten
Speaker 2: him too, I've paired it with a PJ. Orlando pick.
Speaker 2: He's he's my most drafted first year player guy so far.
Speaker 2: And it's you know, obviously Orlando's left handed, Diaz is
Speaker 2: right handed. But for me, I was chatting about this
Speaker 2: the other day, it's like, if I'm going to make
Speaker 2: a play like a power hitter, you know, a potential
Speaker 2: sixty seventy kind of guy or hope or dream I
Speaker 2: want to do that on a guy that I find
Speaker 2: to just be like mechanically and technique wise just super impressive.
Speaker 2: And both of those guys are that to me. So
Speaker 2: I found myself like taking Orlando earlier in an FYP
Speaker 2: first year players slash supplemental and then like down the
Speaker 2: road just as like a little backup, like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: take DS too. I have a couple of young power
Speaker 2: guys to dream on.
Speaker 3: Just on Orlando. I did see in Longen Higgins right
Speaker 3: up on him. I think he might have talked about
Speaker 3: him as a pic to click or maybe it was
Speaker 3: in the top one hundred chap that he did this week,
Speaker 3: but he noted something about the swing mechanics for Orlando
Speaker 3: that he's like really still almost unnaturally so and wondered
Speaker 3: if a pro program.
Speaker 2: He's just standing there and just hitting monsters, dude.
Speaker 3: And I wondered if a pro program gives him a
Speaker 3: little more rhythm, a little bit of like movement fluidity
Speaker 3: to the thing that I mean, he dropped down for
Speaker 3: a reason, right Like there are teams that were kind
Speaker 3: of scared off by the kind of what he showed
Speaker 3: because he came into the year the year as like
Speaker 3: in talks right up there with some of the top
Speaker 3: prep guys, right as like this might be a top
Speaker 3: five pick.
Speaker 2: He's like forever been the number one prep guy from
Speaker 2: his class, and he's still I number one guy. And
Speaker 2: I just did like some back issues and was a
Speaker 2: little hurt and didn't have a super impressive senior year
Speaker 2: of high school, I guess, And I think that that's
Speaker 2: that's like people are questioning like his his athleticism or
Speaker 2: his speed, or his ability to stick in the outfield
Speaker 2: or something that. To me, that's like would you measure
Speaker 2: Jordan Alvarez the same way? Like that's not the ruler
Speaker 2: to use for a guy like this. You're looking for power,
Speaker 2: that's you're looking for home runs. And I think he's
Speaker 2: a decent hitter too, where potentially can be a decent
Speaker 2: hitter too, And I just find him to be as
Speaker 2: just the biggest deal this year. He's going in like
Speaker 2: the pick thirty forty and to me, obviously different strokes
Speaker 2: for different folks, but to me, that's that's wild. I'm
Speaker 2: all over it.
Speaker 3: Cool. Well, that's good, good upside bet for sure. Let's
Speaker 3: stay on the hitter side still and another guy that
Speaker 3: I've just being drawn to that I don't see it
Speaker 3: a lot of love is Ricardo Olivar. He's not someone
Speaker 3: that I've ended up in any of my supplemental drafts
Speaker 3: or off season drafts, but I've traded for him once
Speaker 3: and have asked after him a couple of times in
Speaker 3: places as a throw in or a balancer in trade.
Speaker 3: I think he's another one that's getting a little bit
Speaker 3: underrated in that it's a pretty deep quality catching class
Speaker 3: in the minor leagues generally, Like people have been talking
Speaker 3: about how overall the talent might be down a bit,
Speaker 3: but I think the catching talent is pretty high. He
Speaker 3: catches and plays the outfield so has a bit of
Speaker 3: that Swiss Army knife flexibility. But I think is a really,
Speaker 3: really good hitter and was really surprised to see Zips
Speaker 3: very very much agreed projected him if they plopped him
Speaker 3: down in the middle of Minnesota's lineup, that he thinks
Speaker 3: he would be a slightly better than league average bat
Speaker 3: right now, so one oh two WRC plus Steamer generally
Speaker 3: agrees that an eighty nine WRC plus and for twenty
Speaker 3: three year old that hasn't sniffed triple A yet, really
Speaker 3: just got a cup of coffee in double A. That
Speaker 3: is a very very impressive translation. Finding myself drawn back
Speaker 3: to him, I think when I initially did my pref list,
Speaker 3: he was more around like nine or ten, but I
Speaker 3: kept asking after him in trades or having a high
Speaker 3: up on my queue in in drafts. So Ricardo Olivar
Speaker 3: to me is one that is super super underrated, and
Speaker 3: I would give him a long, long look and ask
Speaker 3: for him as a throwing in trade because you know,
Speaker 3: he's at what four percent now, like that's nothing at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of had a feeling you take him here,
Speaker 2: I will go with I guess what is my third
Speaker 2: favorite B side that this last season in tin Tawa.
Speaker 2: Nice Im. It's snagging him a lot, as you know,
Speaker 2: extending hopefully extending my MLB bench in some spots. He's
Speaker 2: got eligibility at first base and second base out the gates.
Speaker 2: You know, hopefully he's a guy who, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: he gets a shot as a little bit of a
Speaker 2: utility bench guy and he can like run with it
Speaker 2: a little bit, and maybe he's got some exciting offensive appeal.
Speaker 2: I think he's very strong. I know the evs aren't
Speaker 2: top of the scale, but as we talked about, our
Speaker 2: guy's choked up two inches on the bad every time
Speaker 2: he's up there and still lacing mine drafts everywhere and stuff.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, I liked Allan. Hopefully I don't know
Speaker 2: how many PAS he might get this season, but I'm
Speaker 2: hoping for as many as possible.
Speaker 3: Agreed with you, you know, coming in, Like we talked
Speaker 3: about this, he was one of my favorite bats coming
Speaker 3: in as well, a co sign from both of us,
Speaker 3: and still remains fairly high up on mine. But I
Speaker 3: found as I came into drafts, I kept pushing other
Speaker 3: people in front of him. And I think part of
Speaker 3: this was that I don't know if I had given
Speaker 3: enough weight to the offensive environments that he played in.
Speaker 3: His home park is one of the most insane parks
Speaker 3: in all of baseball, and while the performance was undoubtedly great,
Speaker 3: he's done nothing but hit all throughout his minor league career.
Speaker 3: I think that Arizona's affiliates are almost to he all
Speaker 3: of them really really positive offensive environments. And when I
Speaker 3: saw the major league translation, so when Steamer and Zips
Speaker 3: came out, they were all projecting him pretty low and
Speaker 3: like low enough that it's not really playable even if
Speaker 3: he was a plus defender up the middle. And I
Speaker 3: think he is a playable defender like second, third, laugh
Speaker 3: and can play first and right, like you could put
Speaker 3: him in kind of the four or five lower parts
Speaker 3: of the defensive spectrum and he'd be okay. He really
Speaker 3: needs his bat to carry him, and I'm not I
Speaker 3: think I wasn't in my evaluation putting enough weight on
Speaker 3: the offensive environment was looking a bit too much at
Speaker 3: the surface stats for him. Still like him, and still
Speaker 3: think there's a path to playing time and to fantasy success,
Speaker 3: but the minor league kind of translations I think definitely
Speaker 3: dampen my enthusiasm for Tala just a bit. It's been
Speaker 3: hard now there's just a lot of ways to go.
Speaker 3: Looking at my list here, we talked a little bit
Speaker 3: about Brandon Garcia and Will Johnson. We were recording when
Speaker 3: we talked about Johnson, right, yeah, okay, So we've touched
Speaker 3: on those guys. You know, Big co sign on those dudes.
Speaker 3: I think they're really good. Lucas Braun is up there
Speaker 3: for me. I think just every model that comes out
Speaker 3: like he gets noted as a guy that had an
Speaker 3: underrated season, And again I think there are likely to
Speaker 3: be some innings available for the Braves, And I don't
Speaker 3: really think it's clear whether Kristin Walderp or A. J.
Speaker 3: Smiths Shovor is better than Lucas Braun. They're certainly more
Speaker 3: highly regarded. Maybe their top end outcomes are better, but
Speaker 3: I think Lucas Brown has been better in the minor
Speaker 3: leagues and I put a lot of weight into that.
Speaker 3: So he's one that I definitely would consider here. But
Speaker 3: I wanted to go like farther down the minor leagues
Speaker 3: here because a lot of the guys that I gravitate
Speaker 3: towards are in Triple A or Double A and nearer
Speaker 3: to the big leagues. But it's fun kind of sticking
Speaker 3: out those positions on some of the ones lower down
Speaker 3: in the minor leagues. And so I was going to
Speaker 3: pick a couple of pick from a couple of A
Speaker 3: ball guys here, and when push came to chev, I
Speaker 3: didn't roster either of these guys in any of my
Speaker 3: fypds or a supplemental draft, just because proximity I think
Speaker 3: matters a lot you should play in for all of
Speaker 3: you guys too. But gotta shout Hose Gonzalez again. That guy.
Speaker 3: He turned in such an incredible season. I think the
Speaker 3: stuff is sweet. He bends it well, he's got great command,
Speaker 3: just dominated hitters at low A for the Rangers, and well,
Speaker 3: the Rangers are kind of a stacked tom. They got
Speaker 3: a lot of arms that I'd say are ahead of him.
Speaker 3: He still has time to prove that what he did
Speaker 3: at a ball is going to succeed at the higher levels.
Speaker 3: I'm of the belief that it is definitely going to
Speaker 3: and it was pretty hard for me not to draft
Speaker 3: him in a couple of places. The one team that
Speaker 3: I really really hovered over for a long time is
Speaker 3: a really competitive team, and I don't really have innings
Speaker 3: to spare at the major league level or the near
Speaker 3: major league level, So I'm trying to walk this line
Speaker 3: of like having some low really low in the minors
Speaker 3: upside shots with my old ass pitching staff and lineup
Speaker 3: in the major leagues. And so he was really tempting
Speaker 3: to me in that league, but I think I went
Speaker 3: for a more seasoned arm. But I could see myself
Speaker 3: flipping on that, like in the first week, because I
Speaker 3: really almost took Kose Gonzalez. Gonzalez is my favorite A
Speaker 3: ball arm that isn't one of the very very tippy
Speaker 3: top pretty boys, and performance wise he was right up
Speaker 3: there with Sikora Susanna like any of the top A
Speaker 3: ball guys like Juse Gonzalez was right freaking there.
Speaker 2: Ye, no, I agree. I think he's yeah, been at
Speaker 2: two percent still, you know at this junker maybe the
Speaker 2: best B side call from us this off season that
Speaker 2: isn't really getting much love in drafts. Maybe it's debatables,
Speaker 2: but one of them for sure. Yeah, all right, I
Speaker 2: am getting real sick of loser hitters named Jake Miller.
Speaker 2: I mean it's probably pretty maybe a yawner pick for
Speaker 2: us here, but yeah, Jake Miller, I'll go with, Yeah,
Speaker 2: should we just or should we just skip Jake Miller
Speaker 2: and I take.
Speaker 3: Somebody talked about him a lot, and I co signed
Speaker 3: like I drafted him and with my first pick in
Speaker 3: one of my leagues too, So like.
Speaker 2: I'll skip him. I like him just as much as
Speaker 2: you know any B side arm more or less. I
Speaker 2: gotta get Will Johnston on the list here. Several of
Speaker 2: my drafts that I ended. He's been the guy like
Speaker 2: that I would have taken next, so I haven't taken
Speaker 2: it yet, but he's been real close. But yeah, like
Speaker 2: I said, I know, as far as age and experience
Speaker 2: and level and production at the level, like he and
Speaker 2: Miller are basically the same guy, just very different pictures,
Speaker 2: you know, Like we talked about, I like Johnson's over
Speaker 2: the top delivery, more over the top delivery. I like
Speaker 2: his arsenal. He was absolutely just destroying high at the
Speaker 2: end of his run there and then shout out pretty
Speaker 2: well as one taste of double A. So I think
Speaker 2: and at two percent still, I think, still not really
Speaker 2: getting the love.
Speaker 3: I'm one of those two percent though I took him
Speaker 3: in one of those one of those drafts I would say,
Speaker 3: according to most people, way too early, but I was
Speaker 3: pumped to get him, like the third or fourth round
Speaker 3: something like that. So, and that's a league that you
Speaker 3: and I are going to talk about at some point,
Speaker 3: because with trades and offseason moves and the way that
Speaker 3: league works, you can be way over right up until
Speaker 3: opening day. I'm like twelve prospects over my limit. So
Speaker 3: I think you and I are going to talk about
Speaker 3: helping me trim that roster down. You can talk me
Speaker 3: off the ledge on some of them, but Johnson firmly
Speaker 3: lower man on that list. I'm almost positive, so big
Speaker 3: co sign here. All right, there's a bunch of guys
Speaker 3: that I still want to talk about. Okay, I'll actually
Speaker 3: take one of Nate's guy's first here, Austin Overn. You
Speaker 3: and I have talked about a bit. I wasn't super
Speaker 3: familiar with his game before you took him in the
Speaker 3: B side. I watched him a little bit, but like
Speaker 3: hadn't dived super deep, probably because my favorite B side
Speaker 3: guy was Aaron Estrada in the same organization. So I
Speaker 3: was like, no, I'm not going to pick anybody else.
Speaker 3: But I looked a little bit more into Baltimore's Austin
Speaker 3: Overn and was really impressed. He wasn't that good in college.
Speaker 3: He was also a football player, and so I think
Speaker 3: the reps there are he's like kind of undercook, but
Speaker 3: for that, he was really good in his pro debut.
Speaker 3: The reports on his defense are that it's plus in
Speaker 3: center field, and he's shown that he can make that
Speaker 3: speed work on the bases as well. I'm again forgetting
Speaker 3: which projection system. I think it was Zips just loved him.
Speaker 3: And anytime you see those big time outliers like you
Speaker 3: take up with a bit of grain assault. Sometimes it's
Speaker 3: a small sample, but usually they regress the small sample
Speaker 3: performers pretty hard. So when you do get one like that,
Speaker 3: I think you just pay a little more attention. And
Speaker 3: I went back and looked at the tape and I
Speaker 3: kind of I see, like the scouty view of it too,
Speaker 3: that he's fast, he's strong, he made decent contact with
Speaker 3: the baseball, and way underrated, especially for your rotor leagues.
Speaker 3: I think there are some leagues where I'd be a
Speaker 3: little skeptical about rostering him, But if stolen bases matter
Speaker 3: and average matters, I think he's like criminally underrated in
Speaker 3: the FYPD class and don't really understand why he's not
Speaker 3: like in the top twenty or so. Again, huge air
Speaker 3: bars around this, But for fantasy purposes, man, I think
Speaker 3: he's he's a steal where he's going, so I think
Speaker 3: over and should get a lot more love than he's getting.
Speaker 3: And I did find myself rostering him in one place.
Speaker 3: We'll see if he sticks. He's one of the ones
Speaker 3: that might be on the cutlist. In that roster. But
Speaker 3: I was intrigued enough to see to pay special attention
Speaker 3: in spring training and watch him a little closer. So
Speaker 3: Austin over and I was great pick Nate Handy.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did see somebody got him in my RAS
Speaker 2: thirty draft. I saw maybe in like the middle of
Speaker 2: our supplemental and first year players back draft there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's at four percent, had some fans out there. I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm not going to take either of these two guys,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna mention Will Simpson and Idol Camp. I
Speaker 2: would consider them right here at ten and nine percent.
Speaker 2: I think they're a little more popular, but that.
Speaker 3: Both have been pretty consistently taken in my leagues. I
Speaker 3: think both have got Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love yeah, Yeah. But I don't think that any
Speaker 2: bat that I go with for these next two picks here,
Speaker 2: I value that much less than those two, or maybe
Speaker 2: even more. But I think I am gonna go with
Speaker 2: maybe I'll hold off on a bath. Yeah. This is
Speaker 2: a I don't know, maybe a little bit risky because
Speaker 2: I don't know how often a minor league free agent
Speaker 2: pans out super well for you in fantasy. But I'm
Speaker 2: going to go with one Mercedes on the arm side.
Speaker 2: I've been close to taking him in the deepest of
Speaker 2: my leagues, but have not yet with the thought that
Speaker 2: maybe I'll just see how it goes and I'll be
Speaker 2: at the top of my watch list. But you know,
Speaker 2: I came over from Seattle was just dominant his second
Speaker 2: half or whatever, jump to the k rate like freaking
Speaker 2: doubled from the first half. I don't really even know why,
Speaker 2: you know, like we talked about with the Giants and
Speaker 2: maybe their situation that there's a decent chance that he
Speaker 2: gets a big league opportunity fairly soon. So yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: take a dice roll on one Mercedes.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I'll stick on the arms here, and
Speaker 3: I'll go with the guy that I took over Gonzales
Speaker 3: when I was kind of late FYPD supplemental draft picks,
Speaker 3: and I'll go with Logan Workmen. The Rays have a
Speaker 3: ton of arms and they tend to use them until
Speaker 3: they break, and that leaves lots of opportunity for folks,
Speaker 3: and I think Workmen is one that could step into
Speaker 3: that role as like for or five inning starter as
Speaker 3: soon as this year. Those kinds of guys. I took
Speaker 3: him as the tiebreaker over Jose Gonzalz because that kind
Speaker 3: of shuttle performer can be really useful in this league,
Speaker 3: and especially if it's like mid season or late season
Speaker 3: and he's doing that. It's a bit of a kind
Speaker 3: of gaming my system kind of play, and I think
Speaker 3: that that's again drafting four your system and knowing your
Speaker 3: league rules is absolutely paramount. But I also believe in
Speaker 3: the arm. I just think that again, he's another of
Speaker 3: these guys that performed at Triple A. Yes, the jump
Speaker 3: to from Triple A to the majors is challenging, but
Speaker 3: I also could see him being in shorter stints, an
Speaker 3: elite set up kind of guy logan workman. He's not
Speaker 3: the highest upside kind of pitcher, but he's one that
Speaker 3: I really believe in his talent and think that he
Speaker 3: could get a look with the big league squad soon.
Speaker 3: He's not on the forty man and so maybe there's
Speaker 3: a couple other guys that are ahead of him, but
Speaker 3: he is eligible for the Rule five this year, so
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna get put on the forty man
Speaker 3: at some point. And the way that the Rays ripped
Speaker 3: through arms like I could see, I could see him
Speaker 3: getting some runs. So Logan Workmen is my pick here.
Speaker 3: Is not a super high upside kind of guy, but
Speaker 3: I think there's enough here to be interesting, and especially
Speaker 3: in those leagues where you need a lot of arm depth,
Speaker 3: you know, thirty teen points leagues. Like I rostered him
Speaker 3: in Logan Workmen, you could do a lot worse than
Speaker 3: and as a flyer late in a draft, I was
Speaker 3: happy to grab.
Speaker 2: Him nice the Workmen and Mercedes both at one percent
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I wanted to pick someone lower down. Yeah,
Speaker 3: some people say we don't get muddy enough, you know,
Speaker 3: like we sometimes got to get real, real money for it.
Speaker 2: All right, I will take my last arm here. And
Speaker 2: this is tough because there's there's like ten dudes that
Speaker 2: I think are all worthy of this last spot. I
Speaker 2: already ROSTEREDO in a couple of leagues, but he's been
Speaker 2: getting plucked in some kind of benitez. I think could
Speaker 2: could really blow up the popularity this year.
Speaker 3: Both those guys got taken in in one of my
Speaker 3: drafts in the same round that I was like, Yeah, besides.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Adrian Bajorkaz Nico Zeglein super interesting to me.
Speaker 2: I always nd these things with a giant shot, a
Speaker 2: big swing, and I'll go with my guy Wellington Arisenia
Speaker 2: all right, who is at zero percent still, which I
Speaker 2: don't push back against too much. But as we talked about,
Speaker 2: this is a guy with throws very hard. It's very
Speaker 2: a lot of movement on his cutter, big fastball, big frame,
Speaker 2: and walks have been the major problem for him. But
Speaker 2: like we talked about, there wasn't a whole lot of
Speaker 2: a ball innings to watch, like a lot of guys
Speaker 2: that I kind of go with, and I didn't think
Speaker 2: it looked that all that awful to me, and impossible
Speaker 2: get some sort of like Justin Martinez vibes from him,
Speaker 2: not necessarily like totally one for one, but could go
Speaker 2: that kind of route and that sort of path very much.
Speaker 2: Could just be a reliever. But maybe they start to
Speaker 2: give him some innings, and I think he's just the
Speaker 2: kind of guy that the stuff is overpowering enough, but
Speaker 2: if you can just throw strikes, he's gonna like put
Speaker 2: up some big K percentages and get more popular. And
Speaker 2: I saw I think long and Hagens has him as
Speaker 2: like fifteen on the Mets list. Oh nice, whatever that's worth,
Speaker 2: But it's you know, it's it's big stuff, gotta harness
Speaker 2: it sort of play. But Wellington Airsenia. I thought about him.
Speaker 2: I thought about him in one draft. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe just see how the first week goes, and if
Speaker 2: he's you know, walks a bunch of dudes, I don't
Speaker 2: I don't mind having some empty spec spots to the
Speaker 2: first couple of weeks or months of the mL MiLB season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. And I in some of
Speaker 3: my drafts I skewed really for the teenager upside shots.
Speaker 3: You know. I went like Josh war Day's consolidations went
Speaker 3: for him in one im paired him with Johnny Level
Speaker 3: and they're both seventeen and we're not going to see
Speaker 3: anything from them for weeks of the season, so you know,
Speaker 3: those kinds of picks, like you know you're hanging on
Speaker 3: to him for a long time. But I do agree
Speaker 3: like sometimes having those picks at the back of the
Speaker 3: roster to be like, okay, I need to turn this
Speaker 3: four a pop up, that's the startup.
Speaker 2: But I did I use my last like five six
Speaker 2: spec picks on just like teenage bats. I was most
Speaker 2: anxious to see this year. It's a nice aspects in season,
Speaker 2: and so if they don't, don't. I'm not married to them,
Speaker 2: like I can truffle them, no problem. But if they
Speaker 2: come out of the gates swinging it real, well, we'll
Speaker 2: hang on to them. All right.
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the bats here, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to talk about two guys and use them to illustrate
Speaker 3: part of this point about like knowing your format. So
Speaker 3: the two guys are Yader Arianamo and Nick Simio or Samilo.
Speaker 3: They could not be more different. I have been back
Speaker 3: to back on this preference list that we'd made. I
Speaker 3: guess one guy TAAs in between them, but it's Arianamo,
Speaker 3: Tawa and then Samilo, and those three guys really couldn't
Speaker 3: be more different. Taua is a bit of do everything,
Speaker 3: play all over kind of guy. Arianamo is contact first
Speaker 3: up the middle, decent defense. Similo's first base only probably
Speaker 3: I think he's played other spots, but he really only
Speaker 3: looks playable at first and hits the absolute snot out
Speaker 3: of the ball. They're all pretty low ownership, I think,
Speaker 3: like Similo, I think is like one percent. Would you say.
Speaker 2: Tawa was at tin Talas at seven percent.
Speaker 3: And Aeronamas around seven percent too, right, Okay, so you
Speaker 3: know those two are maybe a little more owned. But
Speaker 3: in this league I had these one. Yeah, So in
Speaker 3: this league I had those three guys on my list. Again,
Speaker 3: this is super late. I had the last three PICKXE
Speaker 3: of this draft, and I was like lining up who
Speaker 3: I wanted to take, and I went back and forth,
Speaker 3: and these guys were all on this list, and the
Speaker 3: format dictates Nick Similo was the pick by far slam
Speaker 3: dunk in this draft, even though he's the one percenter,
Speaker 3: even though my preference list has aeronamo on Taua above him.
Speaker 3: But this league is a K penalty league. But our
Speaker 3: K penalty is one point. You know how much how
Speaker 3: many points you get for one home run in this league?
Speaker 3: Eight double it, that's the single one home run is
Speaker 3: sixteen points, and you know what, that's just for the
Speaker 3: home run. You also get a run in an RBI
Speaker 3: with it. So you know how many points you actually
Speaker 3: get for a home run twenty four twenty four points
Speaker 3: for a home run one minus one strikeout. So power
Speaker 3: fucking plays in this league. And that's what Samlo brings.
Speaker 3: And so because his profile, while you know, narrow path
Speaker 3: to the major leagues and the bar for him to
Speaker 3: hit is going to be really high. I went with Similo,
Speaker 3: and yeah, because he's one percent, he's still in Double A,
Speaker 3: and he's a right handed first baseman. All of those
Speaker 3: things are working against him to make the major leagues
Speaker 3: and be successful. But if he makes it in this format,
Speaker 3: he is for sure going to be a better performer
Speaker 3: than the other guys, And so I use that as
Speaker 3: a tiebreaker in this in this instance of just like,
Speaker 3: know your format, know why guys are ranked places, either
Speaker 3: for yourself or for other people, and use that to
Speaker 3: draft accordingly. So I'll highlight Samilo, but with a head
Speaker 3: nod towards Arianamo as well, whom in another league like Similo,
Speaker 3: not even a consideration. But Arianamo, if he keeps doing
Speaker 3: what he does, he might be someone that I target
Speaker 3: in the off season list because his contact skills are
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 2: All right, So for your hitters, I got Aaron Estrauta,
Speaker 2: Logan Wagner, Ricardo Olivar, Austin overn and Nick Simillo. Yep, okay, oh,
Speaker 2: I got to pick two more losers on two more
Speaker 2: loser bats here. Hmmm, I think'm gonna take one of
Speaker 2: your guys. I haven't drafted him yet, but I've been
Speaker 2: close a few times. You kind of sold me on
Speaker 2: Sevin Sebos that how you say it.
Speaker 3: I say it Saban Sabaios, But I don't.
Speaker 2: Know saving Sabaios. I'm gonna go with Saves. I think
Speaker 2: I think it's a you know, a thirty teamer only league.
Speaker 2: It's a It's a nice play because, like you talked
Speaker 2: about the likelihood of him being a major leaguer because
Speaker 2: of the glove, but we you noted how you know,
Speaker 2: I think he's the reputation was like a defensive contact
Speaker 2: first third baseman sort of, but think we're you at
Speaker 2: least you were wondering if there was a little bit
Speaker 2: more punch in the bat, and he was showing that
Speaker 2: after his trade to the Giants. So yeah, I kind
Speaker 2: of you kind of sold me there. And you know,
Speaker 2: since you stole over and from me, I gotta steal
Speaker 2: one from you.
Speaker 3: Only fair. Yeah, I like I like Sibios too. I
Speaker 3: think he's got a lot going from He's one I
Speaker 3: haven't rostered, but on my prefer list here he was
Speaker 3: top ten.
Speaker 2: You know, he's five percent at the moment on fan tracks.
Speaker 3: Nice nice. I do want to play in one of
Speaker 3: these leagues where it's just like an insane prospect pool.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's like each team in the thirty
Speaker 3: teamer rosters one hundred and fifty prospects or something like that,
Speaker 3: you literally have the entire minor league pool available or
Speaker 3: something like. I think that would be really really fun and.
Speaker 2: Fun and no in season pickups. It's just all draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah that I mean again more like the major leagues
Speaker 3: in the professional systems like that, I would certainly put
Speaker 3: more emphasis on the draft and on those throw ins
Speaker 3: and trades. I told you that I picked up out
Speaker 3: of the park baseball OTP and I have been playing
Speaker 3: that in like all of my spare time, you know,
Speaker 3: to scratch this fantasy baseball itch over the course of
Speaker 3: the off season. It's super fun. Like, yeah, I get
Speaker 3: why people love this thing for us baseball siccos Yeah,
Speaker 3: I almost take as much as much enjoyment about managing
Speaker 3: my minor leagues and making these like trades for terrible
Speaker 3: prospects to see if there's something more in them than
Speaker 3: I do managing the major league roster. So that that tracks.
Speaker 3: Given this podcast and my interest in playing in a
Speaker 3: you know sixty one hundred eight, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: minor league slot dynasty room, So we need to we
Speaker 3: need to make one of those, Nate, when we do
Speaker 3: our next startup. Well, it's going to be aggressive on
Speaker 3: the minor league rossers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then what do we gotta love? You got
Speaker 2: to pick a picture and I got to pick a hitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's some fun ones still here.
Speaker 2: The pictures are so much more fun than the hitters
Speaker 2: right now on that and you can't deny that.
Speaker 3: I mean, not more fun. There are just more of
Speaker 3: them that I really like. I mean, the two I'm
Speaker 3: debating between here are Gabriel Reis and Connolly Early. I
Speaker 3: love both of them. Reis, I think is just a
Speaker 3: little farther away. He's been hidden by the way that
Speaker 3: Detroit has deployed him. So again he should be on
Speaker 3: people's watch list, like he's one of the guys that
Speaker 3: I'm most excited to see. A. Where does Detroit assign him?
Speaker 3: And b how do they deploy him? Because he was injured,
Speaker 3: came back and then did a lot of his rehabbing
Speaker 3: appearances in relief, so he'd piggyback and do three, four
Speaker 3: or five innings in relief. And so if people are
Speaker 3: just scrolling through Fangraft's leaderboards, he wasn't a starter for
Speaker 3: a lot of them, and if your filters weren't right,
Speaker 3: you might have missed him. But he's definitely being developed
Speaker 3: as a starter and has three great pitches, so reyes
Speaker 3: like super exciting, but he's only done it in nable.
Speaker 3: We haven't seen a lot of track record of performance.
Speaker 3: He's still pretty young, so I'm so excited to see
Speaker 3: him next year, but I'm instead gonna take Connelly early,
Speaker 3: who I see is already up to seven percent like
Speaker 3: and I think, as I mentioned, after I dove into
Speaker 3: him and I was just gobsmacked with how good he was.
Speaker 3: He's another one for me that I would not be
Speaker 3: shocked that he's like a number three starter over the
Speaker 3: next you know, five six years, like our legit major
Speaker 3: league starter, just given the depth of repertoire. I think
Speaker 3: he manipulates the shape of his fastball, which is the
Speaker 3: thing that I love. And even though the velocity isn't there,
Speaker 3: I think the approach angle and the shape are plus
Speaker 3: maybe bordering on double. And I think that his secondaries
Speaker 3: make his fastball play up as even more so. I'm
Speaker 3: just way way in on Connolly Early, and unfortunately I've
Speaker 3: not been able to get him anywhere. Whoever rosters him
Speaker 3: is excited about it, for sure. Yeah, and I've been
Speaker 3: bummed because I've, like you know, in trades, often don't
Speaker 3: ask for the guy that I want first, like or
Speaker 3: I'll ask for a major league piece and then negotiate
Speaker 3: from there and see if I can get the minor
Speaker 3: leaguers that I like offered in his balance or throw
Speaker 3: in some trade. I've not been able to pry Early
Speaker 3: away from anybody in my leagues yet, so but I'm
Speaker 3: super excited about him, and I'll take him as my
Speaker 3: last official draft arm here.
Speaker 2: On several bets, I think you can make a good
Speaker 2: case for here, so some are yours too, Like I
Speaker 2: think Aaron Parker would be, yeah, an excellent choice here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we wrecked him for that, the guy that was
Speaker 3: asking about the super Deep league and it was an
Speaker 3: OPS league. And while Parker has contact concerns and wasn't
Speaker 3: that highly regarded coming out of the draft, like, his
Speaker 3: performance was so loud and hit the ball so fricking
Speaker 3: hard that if it clicks, that's that's impressive.
Speaker 2: Tell me if I'm crazy here, But I'd have a
Speaker 2: hard time, Like if one of my beasts of Carson,
Speaker 2: McCusker and Parker is sitting here and I'm just like
Speaker 2: I want home runs, Like, I would just go with McCusker,
Speaker 2: right and get it over with, find out if there's
Speaker 2: ever gonna be any home runs in the majors from
Speaker 2: him or not? Right. So that would be a tough
Speaker 2: internal debate for me between those two if this was
Speaker 2: like a real draft here. But I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with gotta go with my favorite minor leader, being
Speaker 2: close to drafting him, but he's not popular. Nobody likes
Speaker 2: rack Reggio that much. After Clegg shared like some of
Speaker 2: his hard hit data stuff, it was it was way
Speaker 2: harder than I had anticipated. But I love Riggio. I
Speaker 2: think we're gonna see him in the bigs at some point,
Speaker 2: probably not with the Yankees, But how can you not
Speaker 2: like this guy. Man just plays the game so freaking hard.
Speaker 2: He's super aggressive at the plate, not very big, but
Speaker 2: he can you can pack a punch, and I just
Speaker 2: I just love him as a player, and I think
Speaker 2: there is a big leaguer there, and who knows maybe
Speaker 2: this is the year that he puts up some gaudy
Speaker 2: numbers and gets some more attention.
Speaker 3: But I like this pick. He's super fun. Like you said,
Speaker 3: his minor league highlights are incredible. He plays the game
Speaker 3: super hard, and according to very sane and calm Yankees Twitter,
Speaker 3: they think he should be the headliner in a Louis
Speaker 3: Robert trade. So maybe he's the Yanks Luis Robert and
Speaker 3: he'll be back on your favorite squad, the White Sox.
Speaker 2: Oh God, I hope, I hope he should doesn't end
Speaker 2: up a White Sox. He does not deserve that. So
Speaker 2: it's real quick. We'll run down the rosters here. The
Speaker 2: Rooks five pitchers are Ben Shields, Chad Patrick, Jose Gonzalez,
Speaker 2: Logan Workman, and Kindery Early. Now, we did have some caveats.
Speaker 2: There are some that we like more than these from
Speaker 2: our list, but it's kind of obvious now at this point,
Speaker 2: so we just passed on those. I'm going with Ryan Gusteau,
Speaker 2: Jose Urbina, Will Johnston, Jan Mercedes and Wellington Arisania. We
Speaker 2: picked some guys that are still not getting popular. So
Speaker 2: if you're looking for some more names in your deep leagues,
Speaker 2: maybe there's some arms hit her side. Rook went with
Speaker 2: Aaron Destrauda, Logan Wagner, love It, Ricardo Olivar, Austin Overne,
Speaker 2: Nick Samillo, and I went with r J. Shrek, lizbel Diaz,
Speaker 2: Tim Tawa, Saving Sebaos, and Rock Reggio. All right, Matt,
Speaker 2: let's talk some first year players. I know, we love
Speaker 2: our B siders and our unrostered prospects, and we like
Speaker 2: to pluck those in our drafts here, but there are
Speaker 2: some first year players that I like, and I think
Speaker 2: you like. You talked about Austin Overn and apologies to listeners.
Speaker 2: I really liked the first year player episode that we
Speaker 2: did last year, but we didn't do one like that
Speaker 2: this year, And in part because I don't know, Matt,
Speaker 2: my first year player research, you know, watch them a lot,
Speaker 2: just wasn't quite as intriguing to me as last year.
Speaker 2: And I didn't have like videos of a lot of
Speaker 2: guys that I thought were super interesting to share like
Speaker 2: I did last year on social media.
Speaker 3: Well, what was the research that you did? I'm putting
Speaker 3: you on the spot here, but you looked into the availability,
Speaker 3: So who debuted after the draft? Right?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: How many arms how many hitters and how that your
Speaker 3: hair from past years and our stupid Bridge League's kind
Speaker 3: of ruined our FYPD research, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think so? For me, Yeah, I think definitely. I
Speaker 2: know I don't have it in front of me, and
Speaker 2: I don't remember what the breakdown was, but we I
Speaker 2: was looking at that with Clegg and sharing some of
Speaker 2: the info, and I was just tackling all the late
Speaker 2: appearances and innings pitched, the number of draftees that got
Speaker 2: some full season run from like last year to this year.
Speaker 2: There was I think a few less players on both sides,
Speaker 2: but not by much. At least on the hitter side.
Speaker 2: It wasn't by much. I think the pitchers were a
Speaker 2: little bit more signific as far as just number of players,
Speaker 2: but the played appearances and the innings pitched took a
Speaker 2: significant cut from last season, so that less innings and
Speaker 2: less at bats to watch these guys this year. And
Speaker 2: I think too, just the player pool, there weren't as
Speaker 2: many on the bat side as many guys that impressed
Speaker 2: me as last as last year. You know we were
Speaker 2: talking about there wasn't really like Will Simpson or Jonathan
Speaker 2: Long types like we were getting into you know that really.
Speaker 3: Maybe they were not getting suckered into the Trevor Warner
Speaker 3: of this year.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, perhaps perhaps it's a good thing too. Like
Speaker 2: last year, I think I put out there and cut
Speaker 2: up videos what was like forty bats that caught my attention,
Speaker 2: you know, this year, I think there was maybe like
Speaker 2: twenty that I would have done something like that, similar
Speaker 2: to you know, but yeah, I don't know who you've
Speaker 2: been taking.
Speaker 3: Well, we talked a little bit about this when we
Speaker 3: weren't recording, But I really haven't taken many first year
Speaker 3: players in these drafts because my drafts tend to be
Speaker 3: the supplemental version, not a strict FYPD. That doesn't mean
Speaker 3: like there are still some that late in the draft.
Speaker 3: I found myself gearing towards and playing a couple of
Speaker 3: different namesake type teams where you get one pick automatically
Speaker 3: just by virtue of your team. So I have a
Speaker 3: couple of shares of THEO Gillan because of that, not
Speaker 3: because I liked him in particular. I'm just the Rays,
Speaker 3: and so I've got got a couple of THEO Gillen shares.
Speaker 3: As far as like names that I actually took, I
Speaker 3: took one share of Cole Mathis in a power focus league.
Speaker 3: That's Cubs supposed to see the third render, fourth render
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 2: I believe third y.
Speaker 3: I think that's right, just as like Upside power Bat.
Speaker 3: Watched a little bit of the tape. I think this
Speaker 3: was a Jeff Ponce he kind of stuffed in the
Speaker 3: Baseball America FYPD list and fit.
Speaker 2: He took Mathis in a draft that was in with
Speaker 2: him in.
Speaker 3: At first, I thought that was a Punce. I might
Speaker 3: have heard him talking about him on one of one
Speaker 3: of his podcasts too. Think he was a bit of
Speaker 3: a Punce target. And I, you know, targeted a bunch
Speaker 3: of these outfielders in like the late ranges in a draft,
Speaker 3: and A had trouble separating them from each other. So
Speaker 3: Zach Erhard for the Red Sox, Mike Sirota drafted by
Speaker 3: the Reds traded to the Dodgers, Carter Frederick Royals drafty,
Speaker 3: Joseph Sullivan Astro's drafty. And there was one other in
Speaker 3: this group that I was looking at, Casey Sock for
Speaker 3: the White Sox. Those like five outfielders, I was like
Speaker 3: stacking them up with like the early first round or
Speaker 3: the mid to late first round guys of Caldwell, Tibbs, Honeycut,
Speaker 3: even Walt Schmidt and Bene, all of them sort of
Speaker 3: different in some ways. But I was really struggling to
Speaker 3: see why people so preferred benj Walschmidt, TIBs to that
Speaker 3: to the lower grouping, And I ended up taking Joseph
Speaker 3: Sullivan because I think he hits the ball pretty hard,
Speaker 3: showed some good plate skills, like he could a walk,
Speaker 3: and the knock on him is maybe that he hits
Speaker 3: the ball in the ground a bit too much, but
Speaker 3: it seemed playable to me. It was like a forty
Speaker 3: percent range in his first taste of pro ball. So
Speaker 3: I went with Sullivan and he was one of the
Speaker 3: kind of later round guys and intrigued by it, like
Speaker 3: he's showed some stuff. His left handed stroke looked pretty
Speaker 3: nice to me. So and that the Astros really do
Speaker 3: have a knack for taking guys that other people underrate
Speaker 3: and turning them into useful big leaders. So I wonder
Speaker 3: if they've done something like that targeting.
Speaker 2: They like hard hit data guys.
Speaker 3: So Sullivan's a guy that I've been I've been into.
Speaker 2: He's curious to me. I have to say I know
Speaker 2: a ton about him, but I know he's getting lauded
Speaker 2: for for this, you know, potential power and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But like, I think his home run high watermark in
Speaker 2: college was like fifteen, yeah.
Speaker 3: Which is still decent. I mean, it's not like the
Speaker 3: crazy SEC numbers that some of the guys have put up,
Speaker 3: but in that grouping was better than Sock, who's like
Speaker 3: high water mark was like twelve or something and some
Speaker 3: of the other so there's some power in there. I
Speaker 3: don't think he hit one after he was drafted. I
Speaker 3: don't have his numbers in front of me, but I think.
Speaker 3: But he also didn't have a ton of played appearances either.
Speaker 2: Right, Sarona, what's your take on? Serona? Don't I don't
Speaker 2: really have much of opinion. I haven't paid much attention.
Speaker 3: So this was a little bit of like the Orlando
Speaker 3: deal for you. I think like he was talked about
Speaker 3: coming into this year as a mid major kind of
Speaker 3: cold weather performer that might sneak into the top ten
Speaker 3: with kind of what he had done as an underclassman,
Speaker 3: and then underwhelmed. I think, had some injuries, didn't perform
Speaker 3: quite as well. This I took him in one draft
Speaker 3: pretty late. This was my and i'll only fourteen teamer,
Speaker 3: so you know, plays like almost like a thirty teamer.
Speaker 3: But I felt like the NL portion was much shallower
Speaker 3: as I was stacking it up, like for those either
Speaker 3: play in deep NL or ale onlies. So I didn't
Speaker 3: love the pick, Like wasn't super enamored by Seroda or anything.
Speaker 3: It's more that sometimes down draft year for a cold
Speaker 3: weather mid major guy has like outside impact, but maybe
Speaker 3: he bounces back in pro ball and shows the skills
Speaker 3: that I think were like pretty well rounded, like that
Speaker 3: he had some power, had some hit, had some speed,
Speaker 3: like kind of a do everything outfielder, and that the
Speaker 3: Dodgers also liked him in trade, and so that was
Speaker 3: maybe another appeal to authority here of like hey, if
Speaker 3: those smart guys liked him, maybe they're seeing the potential
Speaker 3: to get back to that kind of skill set. So
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't have a lot of conviction
Speaker 3: about this one, Like this is one that it was more,
Speaker 3: hey he slipped, maybe there was something going on and
Speaker 3: let's bet on a bounce back.
Speaker 2: I already mentioned Orlando. I got him in every draft,
Speaker 2: but I could there was one that I just didn't
Speaker 2: have a high enough pick. I didn't pick the like
Speaker 2: the third round of a large league or something like that.
Speaker 2: Anytime I've had a real high pick and couldn't trade it,
Speaker 2: I took Chase Burns. I got two shares of Chase Burns.
Speaker 2: I've gotten Griffin Burkholder twice and I think way later
Speaker 2: than I imagined, like in the thirties, So I thought that
Speaker 2: was a good deal. I don't know if you watched
Speaker 2: late and.
Speaker 3: I watched a bit of him, but he went pretty
Speaker 3: late in the show draft, didn't he like. I was
Speaker 3: a little surprised he wasn't taking it.
Speaker 2: And again before yeah, I got one share of JD. Dix,
Speaker 2: good look and switch hitter from Wisconsin. I like quite
Speaker 2: a bit, and I do buy that if it were
Speaker 2: not for a shoulder injury his senior year high schools,
Speaker 2: that's a first round sort of talent. I do buy
Speaker 2: that narrative. You got to share Jared Thomas fairly late.
Speaker 2: I think that was in my true first year player draft.
Speaker 2: I think that was my last pick. Got a share
Speaker 2: of Trey Gregory Alford as the last pick in one
Speaker 2: of these drafts. We've talked about him a little bit
Speaker 2: I think before right, but from out of here in Colorado, Yep.
Speaker 2: It was a fast riser his senior year high school.
Speaker 2: And you know, hopefully his developmental path can look something
Speaker 2: like Cayden Dana and get that trade value up there
Speaker 2: and I will send you and then by one league
Speaker 2: that we don't have prospect pickups in, which is really
Speaker 2: makes for a really fun draft too. Write I mean
Speaker 2: the first round we had Campbell and Made and stuff
Speaker 2: like it makes for a loaded first round. But I'm
Speaker 2: just super interested in Conrad Cason, who I think what
Speaker 2: the Red Sox took in the eighth round if I
Speaker 2: remember right, highly rated prap player. I think Perfect Game
Speaker 2: has had him in their top ten. I think the
Speaker 2: tricky part with him is you don't really know what
Speaker 2: he's gonna be. He's drafted as a two way player.
Speaker 2: I had a big arm. The bat really came on
Speaker 2: his senior year of high school. I kind of like
Speaker 2: the landing spot for a bat with the Red Sox
Speaker 2: these days with the stuff that they're doing increasing bat
Speaker 2: speed and things like that. But I thought, in this format,
Speaker 2: I think it was my last pick, it's going to
Speaker 2: force me to hang on to him right, can't drop him,
Speaker 2: can't pick anybody out. So I snagged the share there
Speaker 2: just I will be forced to be married to him
Speaker 2: for a little while and see what happens. But like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, just an interesting guy, can throw hard,
Speaker 2: can run, can hit. I don't know. I'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: Well, Cason made it into a real solid big leaguer
Speaker 3: in my In one of my OTP leagues, it was
Speaker 3: my he was my utility backup infielder for like his
Speaker 3: whole controllable seasons, and not because he wasn't good. I
Speaker 3: just ended up having like absolute studs all around the
Speaker 3: infield and he could play all for infield positions, so
Speaker 3: like anytime anybody needed a rest, he was the backup
Speaker 3: for everybody, and he was super useful, like really really
Speaker 3: good player. So if OTP is to be believed, then
Speaker 3: there's a real shot that he's a big league regular.
Speaker 2: Any first year of players that you have not gotten
Speaker 2: yet that you really wish that you had to share of, no, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, like I like we talked about right at the
Speaker 3: after the draft last year, I think Bizana was the
Speaker 3: best guy you know, non Rokie division in the draft.
Speaker 3: I think that that's still true, you know, after all
Speaker 3: the cutting things up, after everything, I still think I
Speaker 3: like him the best. I will a little surprised that
Speaker 3: his strikeout rate ticked up to what it did, but
Speaker 3: everything else looked like the guy that I got to
Speaker 3: see live a couple of times, like that dude really
Speaker 3: really can rake. So that was still be the guy
Speaker 3: that I would take first if it was just the
Speaker 3: true draft eligible guys. A couple other guys that I like.
Speaker 3: Oh the one other guy I didn't mention that I
Speaker 3: took late in a draft was Wyatt Sandford. He's seems
Speaker 3: somewhat divisive.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I asked Jeff Ponts about him in the Dynasty dug
Speaker 3: at Discord, and Jeff said that he just really didn't
Speaker 3: think the bat was going to be a carrying tool
Speaker 3: and maybe he sticks it short, maybe not. So I
Speaker 3: think he was down on him a bit for fantasy,
Speaker 3: just like weren't fantasy friendly tools there, and that might
Speaker 3: be true. I have only seen a bit of the
Speaker 3: high school tape that we've seen, but I know other
Speaker 3: folks have ranked him as like a top thirty ish
Speaker 3: kind of guy. So where I got him at like
Speaker 3: ninety something. I was like, Okay, fine, I'll snag him there.
Speaker 2: I got a few more drafts left, maybe it'll happen.
Speaker 2: But I would kind of like a share of Trey's
Speaker 2: Savage or yes and didche or however.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's one then I think looks interesting. I watched
Speaker 3: a bit of him. And the other one that I
Speaker 3: was gonna mention in the same breath was Hagan Smith. Like,
Speaker 3: I think Hagan Smith looks top here pitcher material to me,
Speaker 3: Like I love what he did in college, and so
Speaker 3: I think his slider is ridiculous. So I was a
Speaker 3: big fan of and I liked you Yes Savage as well.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I just kind of one of
Speaker 2: our guys, like it's gonna have a lot of offerings,
Speaker 2: gonna mix it up, well, maybe some of all parts
Speaker 2: you know better sort of guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also the other the only other arm that
Speaker 3: I took was Ryan for Kucci. He said, Ryan for
Speaker 3: couci Astro's arm was injured. Good traits on the fastball
Speaker 3: and slider. I mean kind of was like Johnny right
Speaker 3: hinder to me, but then had TJ and fell and
Speaker 3: so maybe it's like actually first round talent and I
Speaker 3: just sit on him for a year and see if
Speaker 3: it comes back in a good development. Pitching organization didn't
Speaker 3: feel strongly about it. He's likely cutable for me at
Speaker 3: some point. I actually, in that draft took him and
Speaker 3: then immediately regretted it because there were like four other
Speaker 3: guys that weren't on my Like I had farther down
Speaker 3: on my pref list and I was just on my
Speaker 3: phone doing something else. I was like, oh, yeah, he's
Speaker 3: near the top, Like we'll take an arm here, And
Speaker 3: in retrospect, wish I would have taken some other guys,
Speaker 3: but I ended up with a sheriff for Couccie, and
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. I'll also shout out again. I know we've
Speaker 3: talked about him before, but Nick Brink and Sam Sturr,
Speaker 3: my two buddies from University of Portland. Brink was the
Speaker 3: only of the two that got into a game last year,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't televised and it was a bad kind
Speaker 3: of like inning and two thirds or whatever. Outing But Brink,
Speaker 3: I just love his stuff and his pitch ability and
Speaker 3: his competitiveness, and he's a cerebral pitcher, but like he's
Speaker 3: still got a really great stuff. I think he's going
Speaker 3: to be a fun one to watch this year. And
Speaker 3: Stir he's like, could be up to ninety eight ninety
Speaker 3: nine on the fastball, we'll see, you know, the protein
Speaker 3: might even unlock that that extra couple of ticks. Like
Speaker 3: it's impressive stuff and could be really a really good
Speaker 3: slider cutter combo too. So he's one that could be
Speaker 3: really really fun. The command isn't as good with Stir,
Speaker 3: but the arm talent or the like, the velocity and
Speaker 3: pitch shapes are maybe a touch better than Brink. But Brink,
Speaker 3: I just think it's a fantastic pitcher. So I'd watch
Speaker 3: those two. I didn't draft either again, I think neither
Speaker 3: are rostered more than zero or one percent, but definitely
Speaker 3: put them on some watch lists and try and watch
Speaker 3: some of their early starts. If they're chopping up as
Speaker 3: advanced college arms. I could see both moving pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: And you like them both a lot. We've seen a
Speaker 3: lot of like pretty great pitchers come out of the
Speaker 3: West Coast Conference in the last few years and are
Speaker 3: reigning alsy young winner. Just he's a Seattle you guy,
Speaker 3: so Northwest guy. So anyway, these kinds of college Armsnesser
Speaker 3: Jerman also Seattle you one of our very favorite B
Speaker 3: side arms. So I could see these guys following that
Speaker 3: in that footsteps because as far as like their performance
Speaker 3: in college goes, these guys were better than those guys.
Speaker 2: So the one guy I haven't gotten the shareff yet
Speaker 2: that I would like to, but I'm not too stressed
Speaker 2: about it because nobody seems to be a fan. But uh,
Speaker 2: Devin Fitzgerald of the Rangers. I know mentioned him in
Speaker 2: the discord. But if there's like kind of a prep
Speaker 2: bat B sider for me, it would be him right now.
Speaker 2: I don't think he deserves to be a B sider,
Speaker 2: But like I said, if you want like a JD.
Speaker 2: Dick sort of switch hitter, athletic strong infield, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe you can stick a short stop. I don't think
Speaker 2: fitzgerald is is much different of a play than JD. Dick's.
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit smaller, But I know the Rangers
Speaker 2: liked him a lot and prioritized him and popped him
Speaker 2: in the fifth round and got him signed. And other
Speaker 2: than Dan being dickhead, Dan.
Speaker 3: I was funny.
Speaker 2: Else You're welcome, Yeah, you guys.
Speaker 3: I was complicit in that one, and he specifically said,
Speaker 3: come on, let me snipe handy here, and I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, I mean whatever.
Speaker 2: He likes to play us against each other like that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: all in good fun, all and good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean our other buddy, Maddy Backpack just took
Speaker 3: a pick in our in our the show draft. Do
Speaker 3: we want to rip that pick apart? And it was
Speaker 3: Harlan and Dodgers like fourth rounder Chase Harden.
Speaker 2: He loves Dodgers, doesn't he?
Speaker 3: Yeap who doesn't? They all turn out so well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hall of famers, all of them. All right, match,
Speaker 2: we wrap this one up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it, all right? Chatting with you again,
Speaker 3: my dude, this was awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Yeah, appreciate it. We'll call that episode forty
Speaker 2: eight of the Prospect B Side Podcast. You can follow
Speaker 2: me along on Twitter at Pitching Specs. You can follow
Speaker 2: me on Blue Sky at Muddy Looks. I know it's
Speaker 2: been a minute since I've dropped some videos and we've
Speaker 2: recorded and stuff like that, but I will say I
Speaker 2: have not been lacking on my homework. Got some things
Speaker 2: in the works and just trying to compile some videos
Speaker 2: and we have to share that Hopefully I'll get to
Speaker 2: share that with folks at some point in the future here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well I think we'll let Chicago Farmer take
Speaker 2: us out and be well, we'll talk to you next time.
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