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and every bloody's safe. First off, women a black woman

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like she was too slow for school, but she came

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Speaker 2: That looks really good. Boy.

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Speaker 1: Then Friday put a bit stew boy. Then Friday and

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put him in stews boy. Them Friday and put him

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in a stew Oh. It's season three, episode eleven of

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the Wrestlings. To your official w w LFG review, present

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to you by the Wrestling Suit. Today we have the

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bodacious belly Boys of LFG and Kin Tanks Hong Kong.

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I'm former professional producer, trader graphic designer in the Wrestling

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Hall of Famer Lufistow and my go host is lawyer

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Shordeneric Gardner of Thought and multimedia pizza eater Jeff Flippman.

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How are you, Jeff? Doing?

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Speaker 2: Okay? What's going on? Everyone? Thanks for listening?

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Speaker 1: Hey, So this one starts with one of her favorite

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Serena Liddon, and she's added to the NXT loop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good in Nashville, which is a fun sitting.

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Speaker 1: Knoxville and Bringingham as well. She says like it shows

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that she's heading in the right direction. She's excited, I mean,

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and she even says like I'm meant to be on NXC,

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which sucks because she's been released since and with this vignette.

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I don't know if you feel the same, but I'm like,

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then why was she released? Like I keep asking myself

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questions when it comes to her, I don't know what

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about you.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm still waiting to see what I see on

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camera to tell me why she should be released. And

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we saw her, you know, she was talking to she

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was very excited to be working with PJ Vasa, and

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we saw some highlights, but not much more of the match.

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I was confused when they were showing us the NXT

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Loop Show. I wasn't sure if they just didn't tape

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and they were going to show us the Loop show

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matches in lieu of matches and the Performance Center. Turns

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out that wasn't the case, so we went back to

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our our regular format, which in fact we get PJ

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and Serena again. But yeah, I was confused. I'm still

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waiting to see what it is she did or didn't

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do to get there. Remember a few weeks ago, like

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you know, she seemed to cry over nowhere, and I

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was waiting to see if maybe, you know, maybe there

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was emotional issues or something, or at least that they

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perceived it. But then next time, no, not at all.

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So I'm in the dark. I don't understand it myself.

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And she's grinding. She's out there, she's I mean, as

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we're as we're recording today July eighteenth, she's at Maryland

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Championship Wrestling today.

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Speaker 1: Nice, very nice. So okay, back to Serena and actually

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PJ Wasasa, which will be the first match. It's the

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first match that they discuss at the morning meeting at

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the performance center with coaches of course, coaches in charge

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Matt Bloom, there's Booker t, there's Bubbaret, and there's Kevin Owins.

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Where is Natalia. I don't know, it's been a while

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since we haven't seen Natalia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, half the cast is female and the one female

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coach is not there.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, so anyway, uh, PJ and Serena are gonna

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work this time with Kevin Owens. PG has to be

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more comfortable as a big body working Linton. She needs

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to be able to listen to the people but stay

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in the fight. So since they're friends, they're expecting a

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physical fight because they explain it really well, like when

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you're friends, it's easier to hit harder, which is it

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sounds ridiculous, but it really It happened to me, Like

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when you're comfortable with someone, it's someone you know, it's

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like you get more into it. You're less afraid of

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hurting the other person because you know they're gonna they're

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gonna hit you as hard and you trust them. So

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expecting a physical fight. For the second match, we have

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Jamie Garcia Versus Braxton Tole Cole. Cole sorry yes, Boba

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raised in charge of this one. For Garcia, Matt Blum

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says that he needs to apply residual selling surrender himself,

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meaning like he I guess what he means is that

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sometimes it looks too much of a like a performance,

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it's not natural enough. So he has to let go

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and actually make people believe that he's in pain, that

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he's looking for help and as a baby face that

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he never gives up johns So and Cole. He must

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take ownership of using the book and in this whole match.

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the description of this match that you want to talk

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I think you said everything to this point.

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I mean, for whatever reason, they seem to be doing

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the stats now, like their heights and weights and telling

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athletic background was, which it seems to me they should

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have been doing at the beginning of the show to

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get us to know them. I have no problem with

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them doing it every time, but it seemed like it

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was a new thing. The only thing I would add

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to what and you might have said it is that,

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but I'll emphasize it is that Bubba who came up

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with the book idea for Braxton Cole really, you know,

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really wants Cole to take ownership of the book and

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start having ideas and pitching them around how to use

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the book better, and you know, you know, incorporate other

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people into ideas of how to use the book and

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incorporate all of that into the match. And he wants

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Jamie simply to find grit to move less and emote more,

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which is sort of a consistent theme we hear with

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some of the younger wrestlers, but also some of the

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wrestlers that come from the indie scenes, especially because you

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know they're trying to, you know, do flip flip, flip, move,

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move move, you know, and you always move. You know.

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we see from the coaches and whatnot that the w

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by showing on your face, by sometimes the lack of

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movement and the selling, and then the moves are sort

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of the crescendos, the high points. So you so the

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crowd reacts to both, and they will react more to

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moves if you just move, move, move, move, move, you know,

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they're sort of getting done to it, and.

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the right spot in the match. So it actually emphasized

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the whole story and whatever you were telling them through

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do appreciate you taking the the pause here

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in this because I know that you're worried that the

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next thing is going to cause me to do the

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rant that I've done several times before, and I'm not

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going to, I promise. I'm just going to say I

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continue to look for things like I was looking for

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Serena Linton, I'm looking for things out of Apollo Cruise

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as to why they would give up on this man,

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and spoiler, I don't see any still. I'm done. I'm

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done with the Pollo crews.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's that TNA right now, so hopefully it means

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he's gonna eventually head towards the B to B.

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Speaker 2: And he was allowed to sign there before for the

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full ninety days, which I have to believe was was

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an accommodation for this to a certain extent. I hope

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it was anyway, or maybe it was because of us

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and and it got back to them. But uh, you know,

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as someone who takes full credit for things that I

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deserve no credit for, I'm gonna do that again here

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and you and you.

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Speaker 1: Can a lot of people in wrestling do so it's

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nothing new. So for the third match, indeed, we do

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have the team again of Apollo Cruise in Elijah Hollywood,

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and now they're taking on veterans.

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Speaker 2: Feel not Hollywood, Holy Oh my.

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Speaker 1: God, Oh sweet.

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Speaker 2: Lord Glory predicting his heel turn in twelve years.

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Speaker 1: I think he's money already, that's why. That's why. So

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they're taking on the veteran team of egg.

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Speaker 2: Attack field will be awesome, I know.

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Speaker 1: Right, that would be the Tarnity changes his native blonde.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Stop it stop so a can Tanker Actually NXT veterans

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and former Tactic champions. Bookert's in g in charge of

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this one. And of course when we say Booker t

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we say money, chicks and championships. That's when he says

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when he talks about Elijah Hollifield. And I just thought

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it was really funny that Kevin Owens mentioned, like, hey,

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it's twenty twenty six, it's Direk Deposits, no more chicks.

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So of course here the goal is to gauge where

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Elijah is against people who know what the hell they

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are doing in the ring. So they want to see

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where he's at in his journey of becoming a WWE superstar.

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So let's go back to match one, which is PJ

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Vasa versus Serena Linton. PJ says that Serena has all

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the tools she will be a big star. She's her

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best friend. Of the PC Owens mentioned against that they

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want this match to be very physical, and I love

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that Jazz is right there in the ring with them

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when Kevin says that, because if you want physical, you know,

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involving Jazz in your planning is definitely something that can help.

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I wish we could hear some of the advice she's

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giving them, but obviously they're not letting us have her

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little taste and fix of jazz.

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Speaker 2: They don't pay a natty money for speaking on camera.

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Speaker 1: They should, yes, they should, They should totally com in.

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Speaker 3: So there.

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Speaker 1: It's also explained that as a babyface, you gotta show defiance,

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you gotta swing, you gotta you know, kind of fight back,

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and you know Pj's a bigger wrestler, so Serena as

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a smaller opponent, she needs to be all over PJ

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and show that, like give the energy that we'll kind

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of go against the strength that's right in front of her.

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bigger opponents, which you don't necessarily expect from a babyface.

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then you can try to take over such a bigger opponent.

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Speaker 2: I mean one, because I'm the institutional memory of LFG

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not wrestling itself. Last year, Bailey humphreyes with Serena Linton's

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best friend. Now it's PJ. Vas's a best friend, So like,

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was there some fallout between Serena and Bailey Humphrey's. I mean,

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what's what's the backstory there? But I mean that aside,

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Kevin Owen certainly understands the dynamics of best friends being

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you know, rivals and working best to go with Sammy Zain.

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needs to use every part of her little self to

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slay the monster, and Vasa's like acknowledges. I don't need

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to look pretty. I just need to look vicious. But

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other than that, that's that's pretty much all all. You know.

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as the face, which is good, but she's using like

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Speaker 1: Yes she did, but with the head banging, and I

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metal doesn't really scream spicy. I would I would go

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with something more Latina ish or.

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occupying that lane very comfortably.

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Speaker 1: And she's an actual real heavy metal girl with her

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uncle was the first drummer for Iron Maiden, and she's

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it's really who she is. She really listens to metal.

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it's it. It doesn't work for me. Yeah, it doesn't fit.

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Speaker 2: I felt like she had like you do you think

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that she actually loves heavy metal and she insisted on

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that character instead of the spicy latina and they're like,

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it doesn't fit, and she keeps want of things that

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don't fit. I mean again, I'm trying to solve this

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be a reason, but it seems like.

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Speaker 1: Though the way the way NXT works, like for the

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names they have, they have to come up with five names,

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and through the names that they've given, the coaches go

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through them and they kind of pick one or mitched

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mixed match or I don't know if it's the same

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way it comes to GEAR when it comes to music,

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like they kind of give suggestions and then coaches will,

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you know, put their little spice on whatever. I'm not

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sure I works.

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Speaker 2: But well, Serena came up with a spicy crew and

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they're like, nah, that's that ain't.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, or maybe they wanted it eavy

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metal girl. So they have one and then whoops, Lizzie

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Rayne showed up. I don't know exactly what happened, but

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but I mean overall with if that was given to her,

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I mean, she kind of did the best of it

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for this surance because I really saw a babyface when

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she came out so right there. As you know, you

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got to be loved or you gotta be hated, so

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when you see her, you're like, okay, I want to

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love her. So at least she did her job. As

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I was going to say, PJ. On the other end,

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I just thought it was a nonchalant posing entrance. She

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does her hands thing, but it's so small. If you're

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gonna do a hand gesture, make it big, So it's

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like almost intimidating. And I don't get this thing why,

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Like again, Chelsea Green is kind of using that. She

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was better at talking trash to the crowd when she

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was getting in the ring, and when she got in

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the ring, like her presence, I was like, my god,

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she needs like an entrance, an entrance gear, a jacket, feathers,

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something that makes her even bigger than she iss. So yeah,

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I didn't like the entrance much.

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Speaker 2: I haven't liked her entrance for a while, and I agree.

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Everything she does is in slow motion. I get it.

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She's supposed to be the methodical monster, but some things

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need to be sped up. Her little hand gesture, she

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only does it once. Now I think she should do

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it three or four times.

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Speaker 1: Fast, and it's to It needs to be bigger so

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everybody sees it. Like when Undertaker was, you know, would

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lift his hand to the sky for the urn. It

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was very slow, but it was like from the bottom

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to the top like it was big. So you can

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be slow and methodical, but it still needs to be big.

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So yeah, everything is close to her body and nothing

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stands out. And I was like, uh, whatever, I mean.

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Speaker 2: So if we go to the match, well, I I

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that's I don't mind the shush thing. I like the

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shush thing. If you're a mean, nasty heel. However, there

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has to be people booing. You are reacting in a

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in a negative but that's what the reaction you want

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to get way this It was just silent in the room,

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so who she shushing? It just seems stupid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if people were like, Okay, get the

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hell out, She's gonna kick your ass. Anyway, blah blah blah,

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and then she's like sh like you're disturbing me.

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Speaker 2: But as you say, it was silence, and I have

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a feeling that during the match. One of the criticisms

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is I think the person that listens to her saying

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was her.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, so the match. The start of the match

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was good, just like Kevin asked, like, the heel was

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tough and big, the baby face was energetic. There was

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a little bit of back and forth thing with a slam,

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a missile bow from PJ drop it, you know, from Serena.

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She had solid shots in the quarter too, so at

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least h PJ was missing moves, so Serena would take over.

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PJ then stop Serena with a big egg butt missus

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a leg drop again, so Serena could go with a

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low cross body. Where PJ was sitting, it was not

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in the middle of the ring, so it kind of

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looked clunky. I don't know if there could have been

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a way where Serena would place. I mean, you can't

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place a bigger opponent, but at least if we go

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with the missing leg drop, PJ should have kind of

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rolled into the middle of the ring selling so She's

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in the right position to get that low crossbody from Serena.

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I love the Serena was showing her gymnastic background, uh

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before she got caught thrown on her feet and then

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hit with a clothes line for the cutoff they eat.

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That's where I had like a problem with it. Pj's

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hits were again so small. She had a good corner

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smash splash, but there was not much like emotions like

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she got she she had like good arguments with the refs,

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but in between and even Kevin Owins mention it, it's

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like there's not much emotions going on there. Serena I

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felt on the selling was not vocal enough, especially when

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she was pulled by her hair and choking. She should

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be like screaming and you know, coughing and kind of

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and trying to push on the rope or something, selling

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that she wants to get out of this situation. But

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she just stayed there and there was nothing much going

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on for the hop spot. Serena fought back. I thought

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she had really good punches. Then it went into a

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duck duck into a black hole slam and again like

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PJ catches her and there's no sound at all like

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once she caught her and started swinging, there should have

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been like a or something, or even Serena screaming like

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like like I've been I've been caught, But there was nothing.

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It was like silent. There was a sunset where PJ

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like didn't budge, she jumped. Serena moved out of the way.

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Thing god, because she would have been squashed by the other,

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uh the opponent's ass. So she sells to a corner.

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She moves out of the way when PJ runs towards her.

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PJ hits the post and then Serena goes for her

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Molly go around, which looks fucking amazing. Once you three,

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she Serena rolls out. You know, she's surprised that she won,

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which is a good way to sell it because you

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just went through a bigger opponent. It was good. It's

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good to do that. But when you use your finish,

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I mean, you shouldn't be so surprised that you won.

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I mean, if you go out of nowhere and there's

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a quick one, two, three, then you roll out and

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you say, oh my god, oh my god, I did it.

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But she literally, you know, won with her finish, so yes,

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roll out because you don't want to get attacked by

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the bigger opponent again because she's upsessed. She lost, but

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I mean, she still has to stay it out for

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a wallet. You hit her with her, you're finish. So

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that was pretty much the match for me. Anything you

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want to go through when it comes to the descript

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well the you know, the overall match, anything that bothered you, whatever,

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or or we can go with the comments of the

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she want to go with the comments of the coaches,

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and then give your overall thoughts as you wish, My

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dear friend, I.

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Speaker 2: Think I think that my comments and those of the

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coaches are gonna there's gonna be a lot of overlap there,

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so I'm probably not gonna distinguish too much between them.

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I mean and and us as in the past, like

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we were big proponents of PJ Vasa last season, Uh,

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you know, she seemed to be doing everything great and

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then this season it's been like she's plateaued. And I

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think at this point, I don't I don't feel like

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she's plateaued anymore. I feel like she's stagnant.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the fact that I felt she was

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the winner last last season? Do you think the fact

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that they chose Danny Sakowski when I really think PJ

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was the winner of the season. Do you think it

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bothered her to the point where she's like, I kind

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of lost some of her excitement.

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Speaker 2: It might be, but since then, I've seen PJ Vasa

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on TV more than Danny. I mean, granted it's been

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Evolved and not NXT, but Danny's, you know, lately been

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showing up a little bit on Evolve, or at least

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teased to be. I don't know, maybe, but if that's

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the case, I mean, I think sometimes you have to

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humble some people as well. I mean, Keanu Carter has

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been losing to E K. Prosper on NXT, so I

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mean I think partly, you know, Jasper Troy has done

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a lot of losing, and then he's hasn't been on

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TV in a while. I wonder if they, you know,

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I hope he's not injured, but I wonder if they

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feel like he's stagnant too. But PJ is, whatever it is,

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whether it's stagnant or plateau, I feel like she's very

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one note. As you mentioned, she's still not loud at

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all during the empty space time, and I do feel

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that that I agree that Serena wasn't also, but I

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also think that when you're in a when two people

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are working together in a relatively small venue and one

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part person isn't being loud, the other person being loud

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probably feels very weird about it, and maybe it's something

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you have to overcome.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I can confirm that because I was always very

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loud and sometimes I was killing screaming, and it it

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feels I wouldn't say ridiculous, but it's it's weird. Yeah,

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it's weird, like you Sally scream whatever and the other

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person is silent. Yeah, not the best.

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Speaker 2: And these are kids, so you know, they're they're learning

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and and there's not much crowd to be enough to so.

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But mostly the coaches said they didn't feel the intensity,

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but actually I typed I didn't feel the intensity, and

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then the coaches says, I don't see any intensity. I

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didn't either. As far as Linton was concerned, I thought

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she was really good and I thought her finisher was perfect.

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I agree that she sort of did the Chelsea Green

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like heel surprised win look as opposed to sort of

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laughing in a little bit of relief, but still confident,

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like maybe you know, pointing to her head or or

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or going you thought you had me but I never

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gave up, or something I don't know, something that's more

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facious but confident. I agree, but that that is a

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nitpick thing I think, and I think that I think

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that she'll get that. But anyway, but you know, most

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of this match again, like I said, I'm looking for

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things to wonder why they cut Serena. I didn't see any,

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but I do see reasons to cut PJ.

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Speaker 1: Same. I mean, Kevin explained it really good. He says

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the execution was good, but PJ didn't look overwhelmed with anything.

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She was going through the motions. She definitely needed more presence.

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PJ agrees and says there's there's more work and this

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match was kind of a wake up call. But I'm like, girl,

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you gotta do something because it's night and day from

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what I saw from season two, and you know, Kevin

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mentions this Serena as miss spicy, she needs to be

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more aggressive like you, I felt there was not really

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intensity and emotions. I feel PJ as regressed and Serena

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I really love her better as a heel, but as

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a babyface she's she's she's close. She needs more fire though,

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like she needs fire in between the moves and or comeback.

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But just like you, I feel of the two, she's

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the one that look better. And even Kevin said like

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he was impressed by how Serena handel herself. So I'm like,

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damn like you, like, if anything, I would cut PJ

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Vassa and keep Serena maybe started as a heel because

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I feel she was more comfortable, but even if you

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want to use her as a babyface, it's little things

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to fix. It's not major. But with PJ, it's just

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blah and everything is small. And when you look at

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the two big girls from last season and you see Bailey,

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like she's everything is big and she takes her time

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and and everything makes more sense and and I mean

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I always say, like it shows that she's worked with

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the Undertaker. Uh you know what, send PJ to Triple

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A because she needs to work with the Undertaker as well,

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because right now it's it's just not working. So yeah,

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so that's pretty much it's for match one for me. Yeah,

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I'm I'm disappointed because h.

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Speaker 2: Work with Booker more.

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Speaker 1: Same, Yeah, she needs she needs to go out there

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and get some ring time, and she needs someone to

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tell her like not even good execution, like fix this, this, this, this,

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or you're out like I there's no urgency probably on

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Like maybe she needs to be scared a little bit

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because she's just going through the right now.

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Speaker 2: And wee to make her intense. Now now you've got

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to do it on your own.

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Speaker 1: Well, people don't don't use cocaine, but I mean, especially

470
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:21,279
from a lawyer. But yeah, anyway, let's let's hope things

471
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:27,599
get better. Speaking of getting better, let's get to the

472
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:31,039
second match. Uh was it better? You'll know at the

473
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,000
end of this. So this one is, you know the coaches,

474
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:40,480
Baba Ray, we have Jamie Garcia and Braxton Cole. Bubba

475
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:46,000
is like, we've seen the book work and not work,

476
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:52,000
and how about today we see the baby face kind

477
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,440
of expecting like he sees the book coming. He like

478
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:59,039
he sees the the heel trying to use the book

479
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,759
as a weapon. I also want to mention, yes, I

480
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,559
also want to mention that bif music was there and

481
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,519
we didn't hear anything from him. It sucks, But yeah,

482
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,960
Braxton is the smart one, so he knows all the

483
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:18,559
reversals but the babyface needs to surprise him with quick

484
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:23,039
and athletic maneuvers like he has. He can't really surprise

485
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,000
him by being more technical because like the gimmick is

486
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,960
pretty much she knows everything, So you got to surprise

487
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:33,359
him with your abilities. The cutoff needs to be big.

488
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,640
So Bubba Ray suggests the flare bump, which we haven't

489
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,480
seen on LFG. And I mean, flare bumps always good,

490
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,720
so it always works.

491
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:43,759
Speaker 2: No.

492
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,759
Speaker 1: I love how Bubba explains why each things must be

493
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,519
the way they are. It's something we didn't see much

494
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,079
from Bubba, I think the previous season because it was

495
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,440
all I always felt it was more of his character

496
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:05,759
than the man itself. And now that I see him

497
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,759
with the kids and I you know, he explains also

498
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:15,319
that reactions, you must have reactions on your face at

499
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,839
all time. So I just love how Bubba explains things.

500
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I've been very impressed with the coaches

501
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,599
this season in their agency of matches are producing the

502
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,279
matches whatever it's called, the right term is. I've never

503
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:35,839
really understood the difference between the two, but yeah, I agree.

504
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,400
I mean he's he's obviously a much better coach and

505
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,079
as a shout out to Duke loves Wrestling to the

506
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,720
Devon on the Duke and Devon you know, basically said,

507
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,519
Bubba shows his baby face, you know when he needs to,

508
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:52,799
when he's coaching with the kids, and and he does.

509
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,559
You know, not everybody is one thing. And you know, Bubba,

510
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,119
who is hardly perfect and you know, has had you know,

511
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,640
but you know, people also change as they get older.

512
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,440
And but yeah, on this, I think we see the

513
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,200
best of him, or at least the good sides of him. Uh.

514
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,759
And we do see in fact that he has a

515
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,920
mind for the business. Whether he should be a head

516
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,200
booker or not, I have no idea. But as far

517
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,880
as working working with the young talent, I think he's

518
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,279
done some really great jobs. I think is one you know,

519
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,079
mistake he probably didn't think was a mistake at the time,

520
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,240
was the over indulgence of Zena. But he's still working

521
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,400
with the company, so hey, yeah, it is what it is.

522
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,279
Speaker 1: I mean, go Bubba. I love Bubba. I and I

523
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,119
just feel that when he he's working with people who

524
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,519
are respectful, who are listening and actually want to get better,

525
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,960
you see the best side of Bubba. Because he's he's

526
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,079
going to give them everything he knows and everything he has.

527
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: So you got two guys, the Bubba who used to

528
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,839
fight with people on the internet and you know threaten

529
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,519
fans of Ring of Honor shows like for real is

530
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:03,599
probably a guy of the past.

531
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: So let's go to the match. So I don't know

532
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,519
if you felt like it, but for brexton entrance, I

533
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:15,279
felt he had a better entrance, like reading the book,

534
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:17,400
but he was taking time to look at the crowd,

535
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:20,279
talk to them and look at them like if they

536
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,640
were like beneath him. And I don't know if you noticed,

537
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:26,640
but I felt like the start of his song sounded

538
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,880
like I of the Tiger. I don't know why, but

539
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,960
I was like, it really sounds like a survivor and

540
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,799
kind of song. But you know, I felt his entrance

541
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,000
was much better, muck, much better like at giving his character.

542
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,079
You could see it on his face, you could see

543
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:49,440
it in his body language. And he actually went in

544
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,720
the ring and had a little promo. Then you know what,

545
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:58,039
he started breathing his favorite path of the book, which

546
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,200
was like really good is that it annoyed people, which

547
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:04,720
is one of the main thing I heel what must

548
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,559
do And he got caught off by the Babyface song,

549
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,200
which is like always a good way to start things. Jamie,

550
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:19,759
he has great fire. His song sucks balls though, Oh

551
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,240
my god, like he has so much energy, he needs

552
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:28,759
like a something more upbeat, and he did a little

553
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,920
dense thing he also did again is what I call

554
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:36,559
the Spider Man sweep getting in the ring. I'm not

555
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:42,279
too into it, but the song doesn't help. And if

556
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,119
I would be going out on this song trying to

557
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,359
show energy and fire, oh my god, I would probably

558
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,799
would not feel it either. So for God's sake, please please, for.

559
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,519
Speaker 2: I was thinking to say, for a Braxton, I mean,

560
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,160
you can't use pomp and circumstance like Macho Man did.

561
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,000
But with Gunter there they have a ravel song. I

562
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,119
forget what it's called, but it's like like symphony number

563
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,719
of you know orn crap.

564
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,519
Speaker 1: It works perfectly with him.

565
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: Right, And I think that you could find something that's

566
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,079
snooty from the halls of academia. You can modern it

567
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:18,639
up if you want to, but you don't even have to.

568
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,719
Was it's public domain and use that for Braxton Coal

569
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,800
and I love the first of all, the book was

570
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,840
called Privilege without Apologies, So the perspect like we were

571
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,280
talking about finding snooty, snooty books and like ones that

572
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,280
are famous from literature. This is even better. Unfortunately it

573
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,599
was it's not that thick. It should have been thicker

574
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,840
and you know, hard bound with like hard black leather

575
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,679
or brown leather.

576
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:41,599
Speaker 1: But the title they'll makes up for it, and you

577
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,519
according it like I think so.

578
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:46,599
Speaker 2: And the reading thing reminds me of when Lanni Popo

579
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,760
used to come in and it's just I'm reading a poem,

580
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,079
or like when when Dean Douglas used to come in

581
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,679
and then like insist on so all that was perfect.

582
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,079
I totally agree with you. I'm starting to like Jamie's

583
00:34:58,119 --> 00:34:59,880
sort of Spider Man moves, but I agree with you.

584
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,199
What they should do is they should do a jazzed

585
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,679
up version or or or like a hip hop version

586
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,199
of like like the old Spider Man cartoon that was

587
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,039
on in the you know, the eighties. It was on

588
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:13,920
like Spider Man, Spider Friendly, Neighborhood Spider. See it I

589
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:17,679
public domain, but you can you can transform something that

590
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,719
says that somebody should be moving like that, because there

591
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,039
aren't a lot of people that move like that. I mean,

592
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:29,199
there's you know, there's Fraxium, there's Javon Evans for a

593
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:35,239
big man. There, there's Jacob Fattu. But but it's they're

594
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,599
not all low to the ground, and and and Jamie

595
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:41,079
Romeo was low to the ground. So I agree the

596
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,039
music wasn't right, But yeah, I mean braxt and Cole

597
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:47,519
interacting with the fans great. The face music interrupting was great,

598
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:48,599
you know.

599
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: Uh, and Gill came out first, and that's why it works.

600
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,039
Hill came out first, did a great job at pissing

601
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:02,960
off people. So autumn Jamie has nothing to do almost

602
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,679
for people to love him because they hate the other

603
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880
guy already. It's I don't know.

604
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,159
Speaker 2: And there were nerd chants spontaneously from the crowd. I

605
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,760
mean that's that's great. I don't know that Braxton Cole

606
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,039
was seeking that like on the fore front of his mind,

607
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,679
but that's what you're supposed to elicit. And when it

608
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,159
comes from the crowd spontaneously, that's the kind of thing

609
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,639
that sticks. That's the kind of thing the last that's

610
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:32,920
the kind of thing that carries over from LFG to

611
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:34,199
evolve to NX team.

612
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeh, you embrace it and you work with it.

613
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

614
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,199
Speaker 1: So yeah, the start of the Master was like some

615
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,159
great Greco Roman wrestling going on. It was pissing off

616
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,320
the heel and he had to use the hair of

617
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,599
Garcia to take control of the headlock and going to

618
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:58,440
a takedown, so it was really technique versus speed. Bubba

619
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,079
was like the was really happy about the nerd thing,

620
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:05,039
but he was like, it should get under his skin

621
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,039
a lot more to be called a nerd. He should

622
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,519
really get pissed in the ring and sell it. And

623
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:15,559
I completely agreed. Jamie went into a shine fired up

624
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,039
like he was great at selling, like there was great

625
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,480
selling around by Braxton, meaning every time Jamie would give

626
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:25,880
him something, he would like go around the rig to sell.

627
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,119
So he would show people like the moves mean so

628
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,840
much more when you're selling to the whole crowd, you

629
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,599
show everybody that it freaking hurt. And Garcia has that

630
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,440
nice rolling drop kick as an exclamation point. Great great fire,

631
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,920
so change his freaking song because the guy he's got fire.

632
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,840
The cut off, Garcia went on the top rope Cole

633
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,239
cut him with a gut punch and we went into

634
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,519
the famous Flair bump, and I felt that from there

635
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,719
Braxton should have attacked like aggressively right there, but he

636
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,440
went into a corner a little bit too long, waited

637
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,840
for Garcia to get up, and then went for a

638
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,000
big running boot one two. I just still once the

639
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:21,440
heel takes over and from the cutoff, there needs to

640
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:25,360
be an attack or something, so the baby Face like

641
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,840
there's a reason for him to stay down because if

642
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,440
you get hit, take a bump, get up. You still

643
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:34,400
got hit by one thing. Yes it could be something big,

644
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:36,840
but it's still the first hit you get in the match,

645
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:39,800
so there needs to be a little bit something more

646
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,599
so the baby Face could stay down, so we go

647
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,760
into the heat. So that was like not the best

648
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,519
for me. The running book was great though, but maybe

649
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:53,239
it should have been flair bump right into the big boot,

650
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,119
one two, kick out, then a little bit, you know,

651
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,480
work on him and then you slow down things you

652
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,880
don't do, move wait, and then another one when you're

653
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,079
cut off, it needs to be bam and then it's over.

654
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:11,039
So yeah, flair bump, take the bump, roll up, walk

655
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,760
towards Cole. Cole comes in with the boot right away,

656
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,159
so it's like two big moves back to back, so

657
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:23,239
Babyface can stay down. The I love when heels are

658
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,320
attempting more pinfalls, like they go like there's a pinfall,

659
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:31,800
kick out another pinfall, like back to back. I love

660
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,400
that he did that, but there was like no emotions

661
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,480
in between, like you gotta be pissed offs, like hey,

662
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,599
like count faster, try again something. He grabbed Jamie's hair

663
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,719
to punch him down, looked at the book thinking about

664
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:52,079
using it, and then we went into a jump. I

665
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:57,559
mean Jamie's down, Braxton goes up and Jamie lifts his

666
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:02,360
knees right into the balls. So that's a good way,

667
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:05,800
Like the heel was really in control. But then when

668
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,320
you hit the balls and I mean knees up is

669
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,199
is not like getting kicked in the balls is not

670
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,199
something the referee is gonna disqualify you for. It's something

671
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,719
a babyface can use. So that was a good way

672
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,199
to completely stop the momentum at the heel knees up

673
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,440
right into the ball. Come back Garcia again with fire

674
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,840
punches shops. He just went a little bit too fast

675
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,679
on those because we could really see them. You know,

676
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:38,880
you gotta punches. Heel sells around shop punches like, slow

677
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,079
down a little bit. They would have looked a lot

678
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,639
better it's like the opponent is not in the best

679
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:48,679
position for him to sell and for you to go

680
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,920
through the motion completely so everybody sees it. Uh. There

681
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:56,280
was a running boot thing with a jump that looked

682
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,840
great again good fire from Jamie who was still you know,

683
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,239
he was still sitting though when he started his fire.

684
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,000
He needs to stand and I think Bubba is something

685
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:13,639
that he keeps on repeating, don't stay down. I mean

686
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,599
you can kind of hit a move, be down, clinch

687
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,480
your fists and then start the fire, kind of shaking

688
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,880
at the bottom. I think Old Cogan was doing it

689
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,000
this way, like would shake his fist at the bottom,

690
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,280
but he would stand up and then would make you know,

691
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,360
the fire big, big, big, so everybody sees it. Uh.

692
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,760
But you're don't stay down, stay.

693
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: Up a little guy. Not use the ropes to climb

694
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:42,400
up the.

695
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: God yet use use one hand to pull you up

696
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,000
and use the other end to get you know, your

697
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,960
end up in a fist and and towards the crowd.

698
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:57,760
It's it's it's telling them you need them, you need them,

699
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,679
clapping screaming without acting really say hey, scream for me,

700
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,880
like just showing that your fists and lifted up your hands.

701
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:09,760
It's it's a it's like an invitation to hey, I

702
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,559
need your help.

703
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: You're literally fighting from down below to come up.

704
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: Exactly, and you're asking for help without telling them. So

705
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,519
mm hmm. So he grabs Cole for a soup lex.

706
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:30,599
He cracks his neck, which I felt was I mean,

707
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,880
it could be part of the the stick, but he didn't.

708
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,679
It's it's not like, uh, Cole put pressure on his

709
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,719
neck the whole match. It's it's not like there was

710
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,519
something going on. So it kind of, uh, it looked

711
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:52,360
kind of weird and out of place for me because

712
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,639
because you know, he took the time to crack his neck,

713
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,840
Cole was able to reverse it an xplex, go for

714
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,519
of the book. But yeah, I would do something else,

715
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,559
especially if you're a babyface. Grab the heel, look at

716
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,920
the crowd and you know, ask them to cheer or

717
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,519
say something like you want him to go up. At

718
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:19,719
least it gives time for the heel to reverse things.

719
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,760
But the cracking neck is just look weird, especially if

720
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,840
nothing happened to your neck before. If it did, like

721
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,440
you go for the souplex, you try and your neck hurts,

722
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,639
you sell that it hurts you crack it, then you

723
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,239
go for it. It means it tells a story, but

724
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,880
there was no story about a neck being injured or

725
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:43,199
that Garcia had neck problems or was in pain. So

726
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,360
I just felt it was kind of weird to place

727
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:52,039
that here. So going back to Cole and the book,

728
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,840
he grabs the book, argues with the ref still selling

729
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:02,039
his nuts, which is great, still selling the us. He

730
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,320
moves towards Jamie with the book in front of him.

731
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:08,800
So going back to what Bubba was asking the book work.

732
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:11,639
It didn't work, but what if the baby face sees

733
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:17,039
it coming. It's right in front of him, So you know,

734
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,000
I just felt like you got a you got the

735
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:23,000
heel in front of you with the book in front.

736
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:29,519
Jamie goes into a spinning kick onto the book that

737
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,719
he that hits that hits cold right on the mush,

738
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,679
which makes sense, but I just feel that it kind

739
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:46,000
of needed a little bit more urgency. So kick to

740
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:50,559
the kick to the book on the face, spinning kick

741
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,719
and then grab. Like this whole segment. I don't know

742
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,679
if you feel the same. It could have been more

743
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:03,960
like you can see Jamie looking at Cole and seeing

744
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,559
the book coming. But I just feel like you should

745
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,079
have been like looking at the crowd, looking at the book,

746
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,760
looking like and then kind of fire up a little

747
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,639
bit just to know, like, oh my god, like I

748
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,559
see you coming, like I'm ready, just sell it a

749
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:21,639
little bit more and then hit the kick and then

750
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,920
right away one, two, three, because you're literally screwing the

751
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,880
guy that's supposed to be the smartest. So more urgency.

752
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,000
But I love this match.

753
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: It was good.

754
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: So anything you notice that bothered you or maybe.

755
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,559
Speaker 2: That you love, yeah, I'm going to try very hard

756
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,840
not to repeat things that you repeated. I grade these

757
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,800
guys very differently. I grated Braxton Cole as somebody who's

758
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:55,400
very new to this sport. I know he doesn't come

759
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,360
from an amateur wrestling background, or at least you know,

760
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,159
he's no for being a football player. Maybe he wrestled

761
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:05,079
in junior high school, highchol I don't know, you know,

762
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,400
So I grade him on I want to see improvement

763
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:13,480
in all aspects of wrestling, physical and psychological, and emoting

764
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,800
on Romeo, who comes from an indie background. I'm not

765
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,400
I'm grading him based on the quality of his moves,

766
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,559
but I expect them to be good. So I'm grading

767
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:28,760
him on his improvement in this type of style, and

768
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,119
so I think Braxton Cole needs to work on certain things.

769
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:35,519
But I think I think Romeo.

770
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,199
Speaker 1: I think in the ring, Romeo is Jamie's other names Jamie.

771
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:45,039
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he's Romeo. Moreno, now he's he's gotten a formally,

772
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,079
he's got his trademark name, his non government name. But uh,

773
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,480
I think Romeo's brain needs to slow down even while

774
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:00,239
his body is moving. Uh. And so what something I love?

775
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:02,639
I love the fact that Braxton Cole's coming in and

776
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,760
he's he's the methodical heel, so you expect him to

777
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,880
move and wrestle slow. But Jamie's coming in with a

778
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,360
high energy thing, so you expect him to start with

779
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:12,840
you know, drop kicks and and things like that. And

780
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,960
he seems to consistently always start with technical matt wrestling,

781
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,039
which I think is great low key psychology going. You

782
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:23,079
think you're gonna slow this match down, but I just

783
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,719
slowed it down. I can fight that way too. Don't

784
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,639
don't judge me. I'm not just spider Man. I can.

785
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,840
I've got a little curd angle on me. Also, one

786
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:36,440
criticism of Jamie, other than everything that you said is

787
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,000
that his strikes are not consistently impactful. Now, nobody in wrestling,

788
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,559
or very there's a lot of people in wrestling where

789
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,519
this is the case. Very few people have the Jeff

790
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,760
Jarrett punch or you know, but like Booker said, if

791
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,519
you punch his stink, do something else, do a chop,

792
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,599
do a form. Do you know, John Moxley does more

793
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:58,800
elbows than anything else because that's what he knows how

794
00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:58,960
to do.

795
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:03,639
Speaker 1: Like I was explaining, the thing is, he's going so

796
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,440
fast that he doesn't place himself right and doesn't wait

797
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,719
for his opponent to be in the right position to

798
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,119
give a good punch. So as as long as he's

799
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:18,079
gonna go super fast instead of being precise and wait

800
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:21,159
for the right time, it's gonna look like shit, you

801
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,840
slow down, and I mean it's a thing in the

802
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:29,559
and D's I had it. Most people have it. Yeah,

803
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,000
too fast, like fucking slow down and everything will look better.

804
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: Right, some of them look like a bad slat fight,

805
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:40,119
you know, like a cartoonist slat fight. So he needs

806
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:43,920
to work on that. The finish, I think I think

807
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,760
it was great. As you said, it could have been

808
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,760
more dramatic, but I think that it was great, and

809
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,159
I think that they're getting there. So with Braxton Cole,

810
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,079
I see him getting there. Maybe it's slower than some

811
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,360
people want to see, but I see the improvement. I

812
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,239
see him getting it. I see him processing, I see

813
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,320
his computer working with Romeo. I'm not sure that I'm

814
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,000
seeing any move, but I absolutely see the raw time.

815
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:09,039
I mean, there aren't a lot of people who can

816
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:12,000
move like a jungle cat. He can't, you know, So

817
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,079
I absolutely see you know why he's advancing. I just

818
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,159
I just need to I just need to see more.

819
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,400
And I also see him on a valve, and I

820
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,480
see him on NXC, so I see him more often then,

821
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,039
and I've got to pay. You know, it's no accent.

822
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,159
They put him with no Amdar, who's you know, not

823
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,880
you know who's been both heel and face. But obviously

824
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,280
at you know, five foot four and one hundred and

825
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:38,519
twenty three pounds, is always fighting from the underneath, even

826
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:41,360
as a heel, So definitely a lot of psychology, so

827
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:44,519
I you know he's he's They have him basically with

828
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,960
a full time coach, which I think is good for I.

829
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: Really love what Bubba explained the Cole. I think it

830
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:56,320
goes along what you're saying, like there's there's improvement when

831
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,719
it comes to the wrestling, and he gets things that

832
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,840
other people don't like the way as a heel, he's

833
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,119
gonna slow down the pace once he's in the eat

834
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,840
that he takes time to you know, talk trash look.

835
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:11,199
Speaker 2: At the people.

836
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: Bubba says that there was a good bigoting and the

837
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:18,880
promo promo was good, but he should really go with

838
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,119
arrogance over being whiny because he's the smart guy, so

839
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,880
he needs to be arrogant about it and not cry

840
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:32,559
about things. So even like is between trash talking, he

841
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,519
needs to kind of put himself over as I'm smart.

842
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,760
Did you see that? See he can't follow me. He

843
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,639
needs to use like things like that to get himself

844
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,840
over and say like oh, like why don't you shut

845
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,559
up or whatever? Hey stay there or whatever, because he's

846
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,039
he's a smart guy who thinks he's got everything under

847
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:58,079
control and that's the gimmick. So that's where he needs

848
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:03,360
to work on. And here's one thing other that Bubba said,

849
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,280
like he he feels like he never felt like Cole

850
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,480
was frustrated at one point and when you got a

851
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:15,679
babyface like being quicker and you know, sending you to

852
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,719
the mat. You need to be frustrated and pissed off.

853
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,880
He's not selling that enough at the moment. And and

854
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:27,960
really that's what they were going forward to. And one

855
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,320
other thing he needs to do is use his whole

856
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,159
body to show frustration, to show his emotion, not just

857
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,800
you know, the yapping and the face, but everything, like

858
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,079
fucking like throwing a tantrug like Bubba was like explaining,

859
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:46,599
like maybe kick the ropes like it always were, kicked

860
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:51,760
the ropes, slap the top rope, you know, like hit

861
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,559
your chest like you're pissed or whatever, like something something

862
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,920
like use the whole body to show frustration or show

863
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,440
so you gotta sell it all the freaking way. And yeah,

864
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,440
I I mean Bubba was right about it. And just

865
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:11,679
to finish on Garcia like a lot of indie stars,

866
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:15,480
and I will include myself in there. For many many

867
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:23,239
years working for you know, you're working for spots. There's

868
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,679
working for spots or reactions. But sometimes you think the

869
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,840
spot is the reaction because they're gonna go ooh, but no,

870
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:35,920
it's it's a freaking it's a concept that's hard to

871
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:41,280
freaking grass. But there's a difference between reacting to a

872
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:47,199
spot and reacting to the actual story. What's going on?

873
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,679
What are you telling the people? And you gotta stop

874
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,599
going like, oh, they love the match, because when I

875
00:52:54,760 --> 00:53:00,599
did that, they went ooh, you gotta start thinking about Okay.

876
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,239
They were into the match the whole thing. They were

877
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,280
telling me, I'm an asshole. They get if you're the

878
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,400
baby face. They're like, they were behind me, they started

879
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:12,920
that chance for me or whatever. That's how you need

880
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,920
to see it. And it's really hard to make a difference.

881
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,280
And it's just the way it is. And because you

882
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,719
see so many people doing on indis, you automatically think

883
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,199
it's it should be that way. It's something I wish

884
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:31,840
I would have learned way earlier in my career. But

885
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:35,679
as coaches, like if you're teaching in a school, that

886
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,239
is something you got to push on your student. There's

887
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,880
a difference between ah, this move was great, and be

888
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,920
like having the crowd being in the match the whole time,

889
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:52,599
because whatever you're selling to them they're buying not the

890
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,320
same thing. So that's what Garcia needs to work on

891
00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:00,719
and anything else before we go to our main event.

892
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. I mean I think that, you know,

893
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,239
Bubba told Braxton, you need to work on your arrogance

894
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,760
and frustration. And I'm rewatching the sopranos now, so a

895
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:11,760
lot of my references.

896
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: Now.

897
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: He needs to complain less like aj soprano, like the

898
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,039
fifteen sixteen year old Petulan teenager, and more like like

899
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,679
Philly at HARDI complaint like sort of the under boss

900
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,400
or Johnny Sacramoni, you know, the the underbosses of New York.

901
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,039
You know they you know, you need to complain from

902
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:34,199
a place of entitlement and power and do that. And

903
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,960
as far as with I love his reading the book,

904
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,280
but he holds it underneath his chin. He needs to

905
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:43,480
memorize whatever the passage is, and he needs to hold

906
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,599
his arm out, extend it out, you know, to his

907
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,079
right side, and look up and raise his chin in

908
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:51,400
a study way, and his other arm needs to be

909
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,440
there gesticulating and pointing. And I think if he gets

910
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,760
used to using his body in the entrance, he'll get

911
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,039
used to making his body bigger in the whole. And

912
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,599
the kid is six foot four and so he's got

913
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:04,840
you know, so that means his armspan is six foot

914
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,880
four also, so use use all the space for Jamie.

915
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,480
One thing they told him is don't get nervous about

916
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:14,719
silence and don't waste movement, which I think are just

917
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,239
different ways of saying what I said earlier on what

918
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,840
you said at length during the breakdown, But that you know,

919
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,519
if there's two sentences for Jamie to write down, type up,

920
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:31,079
print up big, and post you know, over his bathroom mirror,

921
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,039
those are them and he should read them every day.

922
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: Let's go to the main event. This this is a

923
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,800
big one. This is a huge one. We got Apollo

924
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:49,599
Cruise and Elijah Hawley Field versus Hank and Tank. So

925
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,519
I first, I'm just gonna say I love that they

926
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,639
called himself the badacious belly buets of the next see.

927
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,360
I just think it's great. Uh you know you don't

928
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,679
have a six pact. That's fine, Embrace what you got.

929
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,519
That's what they're doing. They say, like they're very excited

930
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:11,400
about this match. The goal. Of course, everybody knows. Everybody

931
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:14,719
knows who Hank and think are they know who Apollo

932
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,599
Crous is? They have to know who Elijah is with

933
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,920
this match and how far they can get Elijah to reach.

934
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:30,000
I mean, he can't reach where they're at now, but

935
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:33,400
as veterans, is their job to make him look so

936
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:38,280
good that he doesn't feel out of place. They say

937
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:40,800
one thing that I love ankin Tank. They said they

938
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,440
were honored to be in the ring with Apollo. He's

939
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:50,199
a real pro. Again, like everybody's putting Apollo over's.

940
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:54,119
Speaker 2: And they aspire to be like him, is what this said.

941
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,159
And right now, don't pull my strength, don't.

942
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: I'll just say that they they're glad for all holy

943
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,159
feel that he's really under a learning tree at this moment.

944
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,360
And I'm not talking about Chris Jericho's learning tree or

945
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:15,360
talking about apollow And Booker says, make something out of nothing.

946
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,199
So it goes back a little bit with what we

947
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,320
were saying before, with the moves of the reaction. You're

948
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,719
supposed to make something out of nothing. There's nothing happening.

949
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:32,400
Makes something, you know, it's I One thing I love, love, love,

950
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:37,159
love love love is the body slam part you see.

951
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:41,079
You see ankin Tank war veterans. They've been there for

952
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:43,800
a while and you still have Booker t give him

953
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,360
them like tips on how to get better. You can

954
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,559
always get better in wrestling. There's somebody it's not that

955
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,800
your coach was bad, but maybe another coach as another

956
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,920
way to do things that's gonna work better for you,

957
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:02,480
plain and simple. And I loved how Booker t explained

958
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:07,320
how to shift gravity and getting light using the right toe.

959
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,760
One one thing that I do tell students also is

960
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:15,800
not everybody does that, but once you go up there,

961
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:19,320
sometimes I tell the students to shift their hands as

962
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,719
well so they can keep that straight line, you know,

963
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,840
with their legs, so the body slam looks actually look

964
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:30,639
even better. And I love that they were showing that

965
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,119
because if you're a wrestler, it's it's a free fucking

966
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:38,880
bookertsy seminar right in front of your face, the way

967
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,760
he explained how to make a slam work even better,

968
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,760
and he's and don't be a shame if you've been

969
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,239
wrestling for years and there's ways to get a basic

970
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,159
move better. And can tink. I've been on TV. They've

971
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:55,880
been again former nxt Tacting Champion, and they do hate

972
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:01,039
the criticism and they he's gonna remember remember like forever now,

973
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,360
like his slams are gonna be better. He's gonna go

974
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:08,920
up higher, lighter, and even if your experience, you always

975
00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:12,280
learn and it was a great, great way to show it.

976
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:17,119
And uh, I mean it's sinker swim for Elijah, that's

977
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:21,280
his biggest challenge. And Booker Tista is like, think about

978
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,519
all the new stuff we talked about, what's the new stuff?

979
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:29,079
It's all the little things in between. And one thing

980
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,800
I'll say again about Elijah. One thing that I always

981
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:36,840
love about him is when he's practicing going over his match,

982
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,480
he's also putting in the you know, the spots where

983
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:44,920
he's gonna sell. You'll see him screaming. You'll see him

984
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,679
lift his head pretending he's looking at the crown. He's

985
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:53,480
planning the in betweens as well, which is great, great, great.

986
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,079
So we're at the match now, anything about the preparation

987
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,519
you enjoyed or I wish you could have seen more

988
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:01,719
of it.

989
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: There were two things. One I absolutely echo everything you said.

990
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:10,199
Is then the right toe trick and the shifting gravity

991
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,360
was amazing. I mean that was just I felt like

992
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,239
I was saying magic in front of me. I like

993
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,400
when Booker asked the guys and in this case specifically

994
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,880
Hank in Tank because we never heard Apollo's answer, what

995
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,039
is the what's the goal of this match? And you

996
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:27,880
know hank In Tank. They both said things, but they

997
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,239
were basically the equivalent of h or giant question marks

998
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,480
over their head, and whatever their answers were were wrong.

999
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:39,760
And Booker's like to get Elijah over while still looking good.

1000
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:42,320
So and they're like, oh right, right, oh my god.

1001
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,360
So it's like, you know, I mean it should be

1002
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,880
basic stuff. But also told me a lot about what

1003
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:52,199
they see in Elijah, but I don't know that it

1004
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:55,760
would have been different if you know, it was any

1005
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,199
of the other candidates there. Also, they didn't tell us,

1006
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,079
i think, purposely, what the story of the match was.

1007
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:04,599
So I was paying a lot more attention to this

1008
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:06,400
match to see what the story is because I'm like,

1009
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,360
who's the heels, who's the face? I mean having machinery?

1010
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,199
Well they not have hank In Tank. The new having

1011
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,039
machinery feel like you know, they're they're you know, they're

1012
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:18,360
always faces and you know, but you know, no one's

1013
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,800
gonna boo Eliza or Apollo, So how are they gonna

1014
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,440
how they're gonna work this thing? So I was very

1015
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,159
interested in seeing that going forward.

1016
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:30,159
Speaker 1: So to the Bats and can Tank were out first,

1017
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,920
they are super over, like there's there's nothing to say

1018
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,800
about their entrance. They know what they're doing, they know

1019
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,519
how to get the people behind them. They got their

1020
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:43,119
shit going.

1021
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

1022
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: Next was only fielded cruise and I love the fact

1023
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,559
that first of all they came out like one after another,

1024
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:58,760
but Elijah came out not all the way though he

1025
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,079
stayed close. See the entrance they started Apollo's music, Apollo

1026
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:08,400
joined him and they had similar looks now both in

1027
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:13,960
black like they both look in tense as again money.

1028
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:16,599
The only thing I felt was missing from their entrance

1029
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,159
maybe like at tag team pose something that really tells

1030
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:24,239
me we are a team. But at least, I mean

1031
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:29,800
they look very similar like same again color. We could

1032
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,480
see Elija was nervous though we could literally see a

1033
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:34,239
little bit of his face that he was nervous.

1034
01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 2: But at they did have They were both wearing long

1035
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:40,559
black pants, which was cool. But they did have a

1036
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:43,519
coordinated handshake, you know, so like what Sam Zaan and

1037
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:48,119
Jimmy Usso used to do. And they did try to

1038
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:51,239
do a coordinating entrance. I just think they started it

1039
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,679
too late. Yeah, and you know so it didn't come

1040
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:58,000
out right, but I think next time, should there be

1041
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,239
next time, they'll get it right.

1042
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:03,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's you just could see. Maybe the

1043
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:07,000
difference was more obvious because of how Hank and Tank

1044
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,039
were so like coordinated together and they had their own

1045
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:12,559
pos and stuff, and then you see the other team,

1046
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:16,239
you see the difference. Maybe it would have been different

1047
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:21,199
if Apollo and Elijah came out first and then boom,

1048
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,119
you got the guys that are used together, and then

1049
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:25,440
they have the tack team boats. Maybe it wouldn't stand

1050
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:29,199
out as much if they did the reverse. But I mean,

1051
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,880
it's we're nitpicking right now. I love that they started

1052
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,199
the match face to face. They were intense, serious, but

1053
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,719
they showed respect. So right away it was telling me, Okay,

1054
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,239
we have two baby face tag teams right there. However,

1055
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,400
you know they both want to win. They both see that.

1056
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:54,280
You know they have first of all, looking on the

1057
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,599
other side of the ring, you got former NXT Tag champions.

1058
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:01,239
And when the former champions are looking on the other side,

1059
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,159
they got a veteran and a rookie that is a

1060
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:10,760
machine and that has a punch you have to avoid

1061
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,639
because he's already a menace. Even if it's new. It

1062
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,360
only takes one punch and you can go down. So

1063
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:23,079
I love the seriousness of it. It started with Cruise

1064
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:28,280
and Tank, great strong lock up. You know, it was

1065
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,960
tit for tat. Both looked strong.

1066
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: I like how they shook hands in the front to

1067
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,199
let us know this is essentially a face versus face

1068
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,079
match and it's one that's starting with respect. I thought

1069
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:44,119
that that was good. I also liked that the Hank

1070
01:04:44,199 --> 01:04:46,880
and Tank although they're you know, you think they're like,

1071
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,639
you know, good time, Charlie. I'm thinking, guys, they they weren't.

1072
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:54,519
They were working the surgically repaired arm and you know,

1073
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:56,679
and then once they finished doing that, they started working

1074
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,280
on the right arm. And commentary was right on the

1075
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,360
same page, saying smart to work on the surgically repaired arm.

1076
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:03,920
And then they were like, now they're working on that

1077
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:06,000
right arm to take that dangerous upper cut away.

1078
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was and I love that. You know, there

1079
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,960
was a blind tag which we don't see much like

1080
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:19,320
you know, push, Tank pushes, it gets pushed in the rope,

1081
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,599
sorry and ank, boom, slash, you know, tags as partner.

1082
01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:28,880
Then Elijah comes in. There's a double tackle and it's

1083
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,480
like the abs versus bellies, which is great. It sells

1084
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:37,159
the characters Cruise and tag go out the veteran. Just

1085
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,239
like you said, they isolate the less experience of the

1086
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:45,159
two and they work the arm that's been repaired. They

1087
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,880
cut the ring in half. They keep them away from

1088
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:53,800
Elijah once they whip holly Field. Then there's a black

1089
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:59,480
tag from Cruise. So the Babyface don't look weak like Apaulo,

1090
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:03,000
just has the experience to know to see an opportunity

1091
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:08,199
once it arises. Tags this partner in. So Elijah goes

1092
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,239
for the punch ang sells it in a way where

1093
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,519
he stops because he knows, no, I can't get hit.

1094
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:20,400
Crews coming hits him behind the head. There's a fly

1095
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,920
tackle from Ali Field. Then there's quick tag from Cruise

1096
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,760
and Olifield, which shows that even if there's there are

1097
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,760
a new team, there's coherence between them. There's good chemistry.

1098
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,280
Holy Field is also like putting the ring in half,

1099
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,760
they go into tag moves. So even again if there's

1100
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,920
a new team, you could see that they've been working

1101
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:45,159
on getting this team together and they have ideas and

1102
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:50,000
they're going they take this seriously. The Face are fighting

1103
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:54,000
back Elijah missus and elbow tank goes to the outside.

1104
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:03,119
Then Punch Outside tries to go to tag Tank, but

1105
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,760
Elijah pulls him back. Ank ducks of clotheslines hit crews

1106
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:12,639
on the apron, and then Ank moves out of Allifield's corners,

1107
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:16,559
splash tags in Tank. There's a lot of action going on,

1108
01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:22,199
back and forth tags. Everybody's getting involved. It's exciting and

1109
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:27,840
once there's an actual tag the tank boom, big babyface comeback.

1110
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:31,360
Tank fires up. He hits Holly Field on the apron.

1111
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:36,079
There's a bumping feet on Cruise, lots of fire, springboard tackle,

1112
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,320
big big, big fire like he's he's hitting his own

1113
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,079
head like going like trying to wake himself up, just

1114
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:49,440
to Bigger selling the the crazy kind of tag team

1115
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,880
they are like the characters are in the way I

1116
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,280
mean they introduce the character into the moves, into the

1117
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:04,599
sequence and to everything they're doing, so people are reacting

1118
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:10,119
to everything in between. The moves are cool, but everything

1119
01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:13,760
that they do around it like. The crowd is into

1120
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,119
it from start to finish. There's not a dead freaking

1121
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,920
spot in this match where you don't hear the crowd.

1122
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:27,760
There's a big fallaway slam on Cruise. He rolls to

1123
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,720
the corner where he can tag Elijah, Tanks bumps, Ali

1124
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,560
Fiel Crew breaks the tag because there's a big move there.

1125
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:41,079
Then all four men in the ring again, lots of

1126
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:45,800
action back and forth, there's a waterfall. Waterfall is then

1127
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,800
when you hit big moves, but there's no actual like pinfall,

1128
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,199
and if there's one, there's one of the partner is

1129
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,159
breaking the count of the person that is legal. Of course,

1130
01:08:57,319 --> 01:09:01,000
both people need to be legal. When you do a waterfall,

1131
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:04,520
it's move, move, moved, it doesn't matter really, Uh, there's

1132
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,079
no pins. It's that's where the referee like shows confusion

1133
01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:10,800
and he's lost control a little bit of the match,

1134
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,239
which is always like a fun spot when it comes

1135
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:17,239
to tag teams. Then everybody following all those moves the waterfall,

1136
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,079
they're selling to the outside. So there's this big spinebuster

1137
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:25,399
from Elijah. So after that he's up and you know

1138
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,640
it's spinebuster up calls for the punch. Both Hank and

1139
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,359
Tank are in the ring. They run towards hollyf Field.

1140
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:38,039
Hollyfield knocks out Aank, but Tank is right behind him

1141
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:42,159
rolls him up one, two three. Tank was the legal men,

1142
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,479
but holy Field, which is you know, he's the rookie,

1143
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,960
has less experience went for the punch on on the

1144
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,680
Hank who wasn't the legal man, so he got surprised.

1145
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,800
So not only like both BB Faced team, they look

1146
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:03,399
right even in defeat. They don't look stupid. It's just

1147
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,640
a matter of you know, there was a rookie mistake.

1148
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,520
The wrong guy got punch. And I love how Elijah,

1149
01:10:12,079 --> 01:10:15,359
you know, he was selling that he was surprised, could

1150
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,520
not believe it. He was frustrated, and you had Cruise,

1151
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:23,279
which he was the voice of reason, trying to calm

1152
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:27,319
him down, try and explain the mistake. They never went,

1153
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,239
you know, towards the babyface celebrating because they're still babyfaces

1154
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:36,600
or they're not gonna attack. They will accept the feat.

1155
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:39,359
And you know, the way they were selling it, it

1156
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,399
was like, okay, we need to go back to the

1157
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,439
drawing board. Like they did everything right when it comes

1158
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:50,199
to this match anyway, according to me, and I love

1159
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:53,520
that Ank was out. It was like still out while

1160
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,600
all this was happening, and it shows the importance of

1161
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,439
the knockout punch the commentators. The commentator was also like

1162
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,840
selling it like oh my god, he might not wake

1163
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:09,640
up until next week, so everything was like important, Like

1164
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,560
I love love, love this match. Anything else you want

1165
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,000
to add to this schmase of.

1166
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 2: Of action, I mean, yeah, you know, it's just like

1167
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,640
the great philosophers have taught us. And by the great philosophers,

1168
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,760
I mean TLC. They've advised don't go chasing waterfalls, sticks,

1169
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,079
the rivers and lakes. So you're used to I know

1170
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:33,880
you're gonna have a your away or nothing at all,

1171
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,239
but I think you're moving too fast. And I think

1172
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,239
and I think that when you're becoming a professional wrestler,

1173
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:43,880
actually you can't take that advice. You have to chase

1174
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,000
the waterfalls sometimes, and I think in some cases. Listen,

1175
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,399
I absolutely love the sequence where Hank backed away from

1176
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,000
the punch faint, but Apollo was not Apollo. Elijah wasn't

1177
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:56,720
going to do the punch. He just fainted or maybe

1178
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,239
he saw that Hank was back in the way and

1179
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,279
he didn't waste the effort, and that that led to

1180
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,359
a kick from the outside from Apollo that it turned

1181
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:07,199
into that great tackle. I thought it was a fantastic sequence.

1182
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,720
I love the fact that that Hank shoved Hank out

1183
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,560
of the way. He knew that the punch was coming,

1184
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,119
but he took it. He took it for his partner,

1185
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:18,119
who's the legal man God, he took the apple. He

1186
01:12:18,279 --> 01:12:22,279
gets absolutely knocked out as you put put it protects

1187
01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:24,720
the finisher and Tank gets the roll up win. Which

1188
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,399
is this was great booking. This was a TV quality match.

1189
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,479
The only criticism I have is that there was one

1190
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,760
time where I called them the heels, but it was

1191
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,840
Apollo and Elijah, not for.

1192
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: Who his babyface.

1193
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: We usually yeah, the grace of baby faces. That when

1194
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,119
they were trying to do a transition to a tag

1195
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:50,439
into the corner, they weren't quite ready for it. It's

1196
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,359
I think Elijah got to the corner too soon or

1197
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,960
Apollo was crawling up too slowly. I think it was

1198
01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:59,119
more the former than the latter, just based on experience level.

1199
01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:01,720
I think that Elijah needed to move back more slowly,

1200
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,359
maybe fall against the ropes and then work his way

1201
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,439
to the corner, and then he could have seen Apollo

1202
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,359
out of the corner of his eye or maybe in

1203
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:11,119
this direct vision, and then the tag that it was

1204
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:14,479
a little awkward. It was. It's probably only a second

1205
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,000
and a half or two seconds, but it did, you know,

1206
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,279
it did? It needed to be sped up a little

1207
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:23,640
bit or kept at the same pace, but more acting.

1208
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,640
And I'm not sure that throughout the entirety of the match,

1209
01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:30,640
I felt the constant threat of Elijah, and I think

1210
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,800
that that was the one thing that was missing that

1211
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,079
that I feel like at at all points we could

1212
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:37,920
have thought that Elijah at any time could have done it.

1213
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:41,039
I understand that your faces can't be afraid of their

1214
01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:44,399
opponents the entire time, so you know, I might have

1215
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,560
been looking too much, but I definitely appreciate the end

1216
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,800
that Shawn and Matt were congratulating everyone. We don't see

1217
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,560
Sean on the on the camera very much. We certainly

1218
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,920
don't see Sean and Matt. We don't see them congratulating everyone.

1219
01:13:57,319 --> 01:13:59,000
I know that they're high on Hank and Tank and

1220
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,680
and why I don't really want to like those guys.

1221
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,359
They're big guys who don't present particularly big. I do

1222
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,560
like them, I can't help myself. And I think that

1223
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:07,319
that's the thing.

1224
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,399
Speaker 1: They're doing their job then, and.

1225
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: They did it here, and I think everyone did their

1226
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,439
job here, and the crowd already loves holy Field. They

1227
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,039
just do they just they just I know I could

1228
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:20,960
go on holly Field, holy Field. I've had this problem

1229
01:14:21,119 --> 01:14:25,520
ever since you bandal, Yeah, it's holy Field, right, I

1230
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,920
think I think it is holy Field. And even if

1231
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,439
it was Hollyfield, at some point they I'm sure it's

1232
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,600
been changed to holy Field. And guess what that family

1233
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,159
gets to tell me how to pronounce their name.

1234
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,039
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know what, I'm French, so I have

1235
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:40,079
a way out. I feel.

1236
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 2: That's right. And Booker says holy Field passed the test. Yeah,

1237
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:48,359
he absolutely. I don't think it was sink or swim

1238
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,640
for holy for you know, holy Field. By the way,

1239
01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:53,039
I you know, I think they were trying to make,

1240
01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:55,800
you know, drum up a little bit of drama. I

1241
01:14:56,119 --> 01:14:59,600
think that I think that he's a made man unless

1242
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,880
he does some really bad uh, and he's not going to.

1243
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,159
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's his attitude too, because I've

1244
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:10,399
seen people doing great in little matches, and once you

1245
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,279
put them in them with somebody who had like a

1246
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,720
name or bigger name, they would ship the bed, which

1247
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,600
he did not. Like he remembered everything. There was little mistakes,

1248
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,279
but as you said, Booker says, like he passed the test,

1249
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:29,239
and I do believe. So, yeah, maybe be more threatening,

1250
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:33,720
like maybe try the punch more often, you try it once,

1251
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,359
the other the Babyface ducks, or the second time the

1252
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:43,880
Babyface stops, or one thing they did which was really

1253
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,960
cool is I think they did that in another match

1254
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:53,640
where they're outside Babyface moves and Elijah hits the posts,

1255
01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:58,840
like there's different ways to duck the move, and maybe

1256
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,760
like since it's the move to avoid, maybe if you

1257
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:06,119
tried more than once, it gets more important. And once

1258
01:16:06,199 --> 01:16:09,399
he hits it, you absolutely though it's over because he's

1259
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,039
been trying to hit that move the whole match. Uh,

1260
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:14,159
you can't do it in every match though, because it

1261
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:19,840
gets redundant. But yeah, I mean I love that. Hank

1262
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,119
and Tank were saying like it's you know, not too

1263
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:27,039
long ago. They were the ones at you know, in

1264
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,720
Elijah's place, like it's it shows a perspective on how

1265
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,239
fast time goes in this business. It's stumbling, it's it's exciting,

1266
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:41,079
and they thought that Elijah kicked ass. And one thing

1267
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:43,199
I love about Hank, he was like, oh man, I

1268
01:16:43,319 --> 01:16:45,800
hope I sold good for that punch. Oh I love

1269
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,640
the bump. It's just like crumbles like it was a

1270
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,159
great cel. So don't worry about that. It was a

1271
01:16:51,239 --> 01:16:57,800
great sel. They're still putting over how great Apollo is

1272
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,920
and what it honor it is to be in the

1273
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:05,319
ring with him. So hopefully, you know, Apollo is only

1274
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:08,800
in TNA for a short period of time until Elijah

1275
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,279
is ready, and there he's actually back. And their team said,

1276
01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:12,720
you weren't going.

1277
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,399
Speaker 2: To pull my strength. He said, you aren't going to

1278
01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:16,279
and now you're pulling my strength.

1279
01:17:16,399 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's my wish. It's my wish. I think

1280
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,000
their money. You know, you don't have anything privilege, you

1281
01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:26,680
know what, you don't have anything for Apollo right now,

1282
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,199
It's fine, you're trying. You're putting other people over. Now

1283
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:35,840
you want to rebuild your tag team division. So here's

1284
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,880
a team that's money. So you're letting Apollo do his things.

1285
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,159
So he's busy, he has work. Elijah's working on this

1286
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:48,640
stuff on you know, his side, and while you're building

1287
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:53,720
that tag team division, once you feel it's time Apollo

1288
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,960
and Elijah bring them back, I mean.

1289
01:17:56,079 --> 01:17:58,399
Speaker 2: It's now you're going to get me on entire side

1290
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,680
round with the whole bilding enough tag team division. They

1291
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,720
absolutely don't want to build their tag ting divisions.

1292
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 3: But I'm going with what was said. I'm not saying

1293
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:15,399
it's but if if that's what's.

1294
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,199
Speaker 1: If that's the point, then Apollo and Elijah are a team.

1295
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:23,520
You want to have money? Do you want money? Tko

1296
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,880
wants money at the and there's money so many shirts

1297
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,399
you could do with a knockout punch or whatever. I mean,

1298
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,560
they're like Booker tisays like two twenty six could be

1299
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,960
a breakout the year for Elijah Holyfield. Why not? Why not?

1300
01:18:39,079 --> 01:18:42,800
There's still time. It's only July. If it's not this year,

1301
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,199
I mean it's as time is coming, uh, crossing my finger,

1302
01:18:47,359 --> 01:18:51,119
So there's no more injuries. And but the kid is smart,

1303
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:56,800
he knows how to work, he doesn't overdo things. So

1304
01:18:57,199 --> 01:19:01,560
overall I love this episode. Like match it really went

1305
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:05,199
from Match one being hand to second being good to

1306
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:08,399
the last one being great for TV. So there was

1307
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:13,399
a nice like evolution of the episode. Good stuff from

1308
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:20,439
the coaches. Yeah, it went by fast, which is a

1309
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,199
good I mean, it's a good.

1310
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree, this is a very enjoyable episode and

1311
01:19:29,119 --> 01:19:32,800
the quality of the matches while nice, I mean sometimes

1312
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,880
there to be things to complain about. Our pick on

1313
01:19:35,079 --> 01:19:40,119
makes this show more interesting. But aside from my little nippicks,

1314
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:42,760
I absolutely loved the final match. I thought the other

1315
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,159
two matches were okay, they were fine. We talked about it.

1316
01:19:46,279 --> 01:19:49,399
But yeah, this episode, I mean, if everyone's doing well,

1317
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,680
the coaches has nothing to say. We have not to

1318
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,119
say everyone did great. That's a boring show. But I mean,

1319
01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:58,319
you and I are both very honest about our opinions

1320
01:19:58,359 --> 01:20:01,600
on this show, and and our opinions can change based

1321
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,119
on what we've seen, like you know, last year, cheerleaders

1322
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:09,920
for VASA, this year FASA, get your shit together. But yeah,

1323
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:16,760
great show. And spoiler, we both already watched episode twelve

1324
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,680
or whatever it is because we're we're a little bit behind.

1325
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,479
But you all know that who listened to the show,

1326
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:26,279
Miss actually dropped the our episode on on ten twice,

1327
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,600
so you have no excuse for also being current on

1328
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:34,239
this show. We'll try to do better, but anyway, just

1329
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,039
you know, it's not too hard to count to twelve

1330
01:20:37,119 --> 01:20:38,720
and you'll figure out which show to go to.

1331
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:42,520
Speaker 1: Hey, it's the vacation, so you know we are on

1332
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,960
vacations too. But for the upcoming, the upcoming.

1333
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,199
Speaker 2: Show, which permanent, I'm talking right over here, I.

1334
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,199
Speaker 1: So FORMACL twelve. We're gonna hear from Mike the Ruder,

1335
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,840
Arlem Lewis Daily, I'm free Santel Monroe, Nathan Cranton, and

1336
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:04,560
our favorite cowboy at Tat Wilder, So we'll be back

1337
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:09,439
for this episode number twelve. I don't have anything special

1338
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,239
going on this week besides the fact that I'm on vacation.

1339
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,920
I'm very much needed. I'm going to watch some more wrestling,

1340
01:21:17,359 --> 01:21:20,800
and I don't know do you have anything special, oh,

1341
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:21,800
my dear Jeff.

1342
01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: Well, other than I know that you did a pre

1343
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:27,319
record of our normal socials and things like that. Just

1344
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:30,840
say that tonight, which you won't hear this tonight, but

1345
01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:34,600
I'm on Soup d Joor on Rams Fans YouTube channel

1346
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,760
that will be nine o'clock Saturday, July eighteenth, if you

1347
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,960
happen to be looking for that show so you can

1348
01:21:40,359 --> 01:21:43,600
see it or of course hear it. And you'll also

1349
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,640
be on Wrestling Super Frindos in audio form. And my

1350
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,199
guest this week for Garden Thought, which is Sunday the

1351
01:21:50,319 --> 01:21:54,239
nineteenth at one o'clock or thereabout. The guest will be

1352
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:59,920
Alex Coquitoqia from the podcast for the Unappreciated Wrestling Fan.

1353
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,680
And they also are kind enough to do the Evolve

1354
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,159
Effect podcast for us on the Wrestling super and Frindos.

1355
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,319
He also does weak and Reactions. So he's going to

1356
01:22:10,359 --> 01:22:13,000
talk about is reality an illusion? But before we do

1357
01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:14,800
into that, I'm going I Am going to surprise him

1358
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,800
by asking about just to give us some current events,

1359
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,880
what's going on in Puerto Rico, like that we need

1360
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,239
to know about or should know about here. But looking

1361
01:22:22,279 --> 01:22:24,840
forward to that and trying to expand things with the family.

1362
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,000
Had rams Fan on Garden and Thought Reason recently the

1363
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:31,319
Minority Report guys have all been on. So yeah, I'm

1364
01:22:31,319 --> 01:22:33,600
trying to mix in some friends along with you know,

1365
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,640
my scholars and stuff. So you know, that's it.

1366
01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:40,199
Speaker 1: That's it. So if you want to know where to

1367
01:22:40,319 --> 01:22:42,279
find us, we're actually going to put everything in the

1368
01:22:42,359 --> 01:22:45,920
description now, so it's going to be easier for you

1369
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,359
to find us. So just look at the description to

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01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,720
find us on x on Instagram, on YouTube and all

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these good freaking places. Of course, follow the Wrestling Suit,

1372
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:04,239
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1373
01:23:04,359 --> 01:23:07,479
will see you suit for episode twelve. I am Lofisto

1374
01:23:08,079 --> 01:23:11,720
and he is the wonderful Jeff Flippman. We will see

1375
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,439
you well, see you here you You will hear us

1376
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,800
again for episode twelve on Boye Them Friday but Amin

1377
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,880
Steve Bite them Friday, but Amin Steve very soon. Thank

1378
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:21,760
you for listening.

1379
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,079
Speaker 2: My friends stay Oh my friend