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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd

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love to hear from you. Molly. You're in New York.

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Speaker 2: It looks like yep up here doing some stuff for Fox.

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Speaker 1: I saw that Charlie Kirk was on Fox. I saw

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that Charlie Kirk was being given the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so today is was Charlie Kirk's birthday?

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Speaker 1: Your second birthday?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have been thirty two. Sorry, we're taping

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this on Tuesday night. It'll be you'll get first access

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to it on when day at some point, but we're

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taping on Tuesday nights. So he would have been thirty

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two today and Trump is giving him the Presidential Medal

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of Freedom. And I think that's just so fitting for

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someone like Charlie. It really is what the Presidential Medal

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of Freedom was designed for. These great Americans who conserve

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the country even though they are not eligible for military

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awards or commendations of that nature, but still have done

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great work for the country, and a lot of people

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honor Charlie for his work defending the Christian faith, and

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I think that's the most important thing, but he also

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is or they like his conservative politics, which were also important.

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But this is a guy who was killed for his

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support of free speech in particular, and so I think

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it's just fitting and appropriate that you would do this.

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And it's also interesting because President Trump has given fewer

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Presidential Medal of Freedoms than a lot of presidents do.

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Some hand them out like quite a bit to actors

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and sports folks and political leaders and leaders of organizations,

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and Trump gave about several during his first administration, again

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fewer than normal, But I loved when he gave one

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to Rush Limbaugh. I thought that was really important because

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Rush Limbaugh was the greatest radio person who ever lived,

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and also very important for conservatives, but just for Americans

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in general. He was the best at radio and did

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not receive the accolades that he should have sometimes because

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of his conservative politics. So it was nice that he

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got that before he died.

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Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh was massively important as well in American political history.

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He changed the whole dynamics of politics in the nineties.

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It was after the what was it called the fairness

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doctrine or whatever it was called, was lifted, so conservatives

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found the medium where they could, which was kind of

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a vast wasteland, and they dominated on there. He was

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the leader, and he was immensely talented. I hated, you know,

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when I was a kid. My dad used to listen

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to him, you know, and I would like hear it,

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and he was He would go on for hours, just

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be like, it's hard enough for the two of us

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to come up with, you know, a few hours let's

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say content.

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Speaker 2: Like we're done talking now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he would just do it on his own and

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it would be so funny and so interesting. So I

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think he really dictated the tone of conservatism for that general,

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you know, that generation coming up.

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Speaker 2: If you can. Let me also say that he was

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so great at taking high level concepts and making them

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easy to understand for normal Americans. So he was extremely

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well read and had some similarities to Charlie that way too.

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Charlie was a deep and regular reader and communicated to

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people at a level that, you know, was not a

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super academic.

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Speaker 1: I think that Rushlama benefited from being able to spend

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almost two decades or maybe two decades on the radio

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sort of polishing the craft before he was seen by

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a lot of people, whereas I think Charlie was kind

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of immediately, you know, seeing very at a very young age.

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In fact, I don't even know what age Rush Limbaugh

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was when he sort of broke, but he was probably

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in his mid thirties at least, right so when he

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broke in politics, I don't know if that's for sure,

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but he was polished when he went national, and he

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was pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: Although another thing they both have in common, you know,

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medium matters for America. All those groups they existed solely

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to listen to Rush Limbaugh for three hours a day

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and then selectively edit a clip that could make him

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look bad. And Mark, my husband always makes always comments

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how amazing it is that Rush was speaking for three

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hours a day and had so few examples that they

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could glom onto and try to blow up. Because if

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you and I were speaking live on the radio for

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three hours, we'd be you know, we'd probably be canceled

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within a half hour.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start this next part of the conversation

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in a bit of a weird way. But I read

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that Donald Trump had cut his Middle Eastern trip short

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to ensure that he came back to do this for

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Charlie Kirk today. So I was looking over his schedule

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and some because someone had put it up. It is

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that guy. I mean, listen, I'm just saying that I

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get I do if I had to do one thing

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at night or I'm beat right, I don't want to

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even go this. This schedule that he had over the

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last week. I don't remember all of it, but going

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to the Middle East, giving a speech at the Knesset,

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going to Egypt, you know, giving another speech, doing this,

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doing that, meeting with all kinds of world leaders. And

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it's a pretty rigorous schedule. How old is Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: He's in his late seventies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So when people try the I've noticed people trying

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to do, what, you know, to pretend he's like Biden,

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that he's lost a step, and listen, you're in your

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late seventies, probably has lost a step. But it's got

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that means that he was crazy busy, you know, a

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decade ago or whatever. And anyway, so his trip was

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I think it was an incredible moment. I think the

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piece deal is incredible. I usually try. I'm not saying

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it's going to work the way he says it is

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exactly or whatever, but I just think the it feels big.

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His speech to the Canesse was to me more you know,

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it's like ikmenig Berlin, or speech by jfk And in

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West West Berlin in nineteen sixty three, that sort of thing,

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but even bigger. You know, we were talking about Israel

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last week and just it hit me that that I

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believe Trump cares about Israel just because where he's from

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and the generation he's from. His children, you know, is

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his daughter, is his stepson and all that, but also

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because Israelis are very much the type of people he likes.

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You know, They're they're kind of tough, outspoken, merit based

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society there that that fights, you know, and all of that.

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I just I now, obviously it's a bit romanticized, but

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I just think he kind of respects that and likes it.

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M boy, the people there love that guy, and I

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mean he is I think easily the most beloved person

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in Israel that's an outsider that has ever existed. I'm

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going to go further. I think he might be more

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beloved than any actual Israeli politician has ever been loved

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by the Israeli people from what I can tell. I mean,

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that is a fractious society when it comes to politics.

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They hate each other, do you know what I'm saying.

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And obviously they only get the good part of Trump, right,

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They're not getting all of Trump, but they love that guy,

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and it was it was just I don't know, it

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made me feel good about that, really, you know, the

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relationship better than I have recently, though might not continue

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in that direction, but he is. I just thought that

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trip was amazing. What was your you know, feelings about it?

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Speaker 2: Were talking when you were talking about him being beloved

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by Israelis. I was watching a lot of videos on

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Monday of the hostage reunions which are just amazing, and

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Speaker 1: Sort of crying or crying right well.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm sobbing, but also I feel like should

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I be seeing this? But also I want to see it.

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We talked last week about how horrible it was to

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see what happened on October seventh, and it was such

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a cleanse of all that or to see these reunions,

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and just think about what these people went through, how many,

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how how much, how desperately they wanted this to happen,

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and how it finally happened. Of course, we also are

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waiting the return of the murdered hostages, who you know,

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their remains have not all been returned at the time

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that we were recording this, and how sad that would be,

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you know, but also the closure that that would give

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some people who need to be reunited with the the

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deceased the bodies of their loved ones. But I also

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enjoyed watching videos of people, comedic videos of people talking

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about how much they loved Donald Trump. It's just fun

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to see there's a humor there that again, I think

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you're just referencing that Middle Eastern humor that comes through

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and is so different than what Americans do. I think

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one of the reasons why Trump is successful in that

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region is because he isn't one of these you know,

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sais kind of educated globalist glob people blog people who

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think that they can achieve peace agreements by studiously applying

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the theories that they were taught. No matter how much

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those applied theories never seem to work out, and he

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has this, you know, it's what the left I think

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calls authoritarianism, but isn't quite that. It's more about you know,

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having power, using power, recognizing when you're a powerful person

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that I think a lot of people in the Middle

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East respect and that they understand better than you know,

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an Anthony Blincoln coming in mealy mouthed and mousey. And

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so I also think that he does a really good

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job of being friend to everyone but also a threat

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to everyone, and both of those things worked here. I

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think the fact that the president's son in law and

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other people had worked on those massive financial deals the

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Abraham Accords laid the groundwork for these financial deals between

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Israel and their neighboring countries by being by treating those

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people like, yeah, you can be part of this you know,

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economy in a new way, it helped when those countries

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needed to pressure Hamas that the time was over, that

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their war was coming to an end. And then also

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he's obviously a very good friend to Israel but also

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knows when to apply pressure to say, okay, this is

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we're wrapping it up here. And so it's both you

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know both but also like don't take it too far

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in both cases, and I think that worked well for

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him or for the world. Really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jared Kushner accomplished more in this past decade in

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the Middle East than the Brookings Institution has accomplished ever

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by tenfold. Right because Donald Trump started his speech or

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he said in his speech that you've won the war

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and now it's time for peace, which one doesn't work

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with that the other in the Middle East, you cannot

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have peace without winning the war. I'm sorry, that's just

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how it is. And Israel won the war. And he

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opened the door not just to all Palestinians, to all nations,

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but to Iran. You know, he invited them to make

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peace and if they don't, you know that that's going

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to be a problem. But he proved all the Yeah, go.

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Speaker 2: On on that note too, because I was extremely worried

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that we would get in a war with Iran, and

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we didn't. We bombed. We bombed them to smithereens their

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nuclear capabilities, and I think that also helped contribute to

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the success that we saw this last week. And we

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did it without engaging in a long war with them,

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a long and costly war. And like the whole thing,

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his whole approach which started again in the first administration.

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We're pivoting away from Iran as the central powerholder of

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the region. We're pivoting towards Saudi Arabia, which is another

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country that's not the best country, right, but it made

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more sense to put them against Iran and kind of

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make them more the power brokers there. And then you know,

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during the Biden administration, we're going back to favoring Iran.

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So Trump has to actually like make up ground that

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he had already made up in the first administration. But

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it worked really well and it all worked together. Now

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it is the Middle East, so probably what we've got

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eighteen months before another catastrophe strikes. But it's nice for now, right.

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Speaker 1: Just going back to Iran, because of the Iraqi democracy

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building excursion and project and failures of that, there was

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an overcorrection. I believe on the right to treat every

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country as if they are super dangerous and that we

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couldn't deal with them with the United States, our technology

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and military technology is unmatched still and Iran is not

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as strong as everyone thinks. There was never going to

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be a world war over Iran. Russia abandoned them, China

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abandoned them, sorry, going no, I was going to say.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right, and I actually think it's not

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an overreaction even so much as a mirror image. There

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are people who think the solution to everything is US

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involvement in the lengthy war. But then there's this mirror

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the right, or occasionally they're on the right, which is

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a neo con derangement syndrome. And I am I mean.

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Speaker 1: From you, I'm very impressed by this.

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Speaker 2: On record as being strongly opposed to the neo kan

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approach to foreign policy, but that doesn't mean that you

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react to it by saying like any use of force

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is catastrophic. It's not true. I mean, you don't want

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to get involved in a Rock style wars, that's true,

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you don't have enough Afghanistan situation that sprawls for twenty years,

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particularly if you can do it like Trump does. This

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is what I hope people figure out in the like

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he did it in his first term, he also did

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it in this term, which is the I always joked

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that I thought what we should have done in Afghanistan

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is just bombed them and then like not landed the

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planes just turn them around and they land back. You know,

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at our basis, that's exactly what we did in Iran,

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contrary to what some people were pushing for, which was

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like more of a lengthy situation there. But he's done

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that with just taking out a bad guy and then

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not engaging in a long democracy building more or occupation.

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Speaker 1: That's the key, right, I agree, I agree in that situation.

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I think there are situations. And by the way, you know,

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Israel embarrassed, embarrassed Iran. I think people forget that this

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small country is incredibly advanced technologically and in weaponry. I

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know they rely in the US a lot, but they

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also come up with a lot of their own, you know,

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innovations as far as military stuff goes on to other stuff.

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So the embarrassed Iran and that was the key to

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all of this. Trump said, the bombing Iran was the

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key to this. Once Iran was neutralized. Generally, Hasbala fell

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before even Syria Asad fell, whotis aren't that big of

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a threat, and Israel could focus on Hamas. So here's

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my point, you can't just I mean, they did a

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job on Gaza for sure, but you can't. You know,

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at some point you have to go in and get

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the bad guys. Sometimes, right, you had to go and

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eliminate them, and I think the Israelis eliminated a lot

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of Hamas fighters. They're the only army someone pointed out

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that puts on their uniforms after the war is on,

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takes it off. During the war. You see them marching

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around executing other Palestinians. Because there's a lot of if

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Amas disarms, which I'm very skeptical they're actually going to

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do on their own. There's a good chance they'll be

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massacred by other clans. Like this is not the cohesive ethnicity.

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they do have a chance right now to have peace.

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Israel has neutralized somewhat Iran. It has now a bubble

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around Gaza. There's never going to be another October seventh.

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If anyone strays near the buffer zone, they're going to

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get killed, I think. And also because there's no Egyptian

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border anymore, there's no weaponry coming in. They will not

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have a missile an arsenal of missiles to fire at

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civilians in Israel, so either this place can be peaceful

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or can turn into Somalia. Trump says that, you know,

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they'll be disarmed if they don't, because they already have

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failed to live up to their part of the agreement

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by returning the dead, dead hostages. Who's going to do that,

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I don't know. Is it going to be you know,

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is France going to go in there and do it

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as the United States? I hope not. Israel's never going back,

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probably in any kind of real way, So worry about that.

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But overall, think about all the people that came to

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Trump like he was a king of the world at

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this at this Egyptian event. You know, all there's there's

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the Canadians, someone said, the French and the Canadians. It's

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like showing up when someone else has finished the project,

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you know, and taking taking partial credit like people do

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in college. But also the Indonesians, you know, the Pakistani government,

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like these people. I think there's there are rumors. I

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think they're credible that these people are thinking we're talking

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about the Abraham Accords, you know, and that's just amazing.

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If you told someone in nineteen sixty seven that Israel

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would be at peace with virtually every soon the Arab

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nation that the larger Islamic nation in the world, Indonesia,

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was thinking about making peace with Israel. I mean, that

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would be incredible, and I think there's a real chance

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for that to happen here, even if the Palestinians don't participate,

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because once everyone signed onto the Trump idea, which is

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to deradicalize Gaza, they have essentially admitted or signed on

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to a plan that says there can't be any kind

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of Palestinian state or even we can't even talk about

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that until there's deradicalization. It seems like Trump has rallied

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the world to that simple cause, and that is a

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huge step towards peace hopefully there.

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned Humas killing some resistance people.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there was no trial, it was summary executions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, well, okay, I actually don't. I have

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not read up on it. I've seen reports on that,

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but it reminds you how difficult it will be too.

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people support him on in the Kaza strip, It's also

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true that those who have bravely resisted it have faced

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unbelievable consequences, and so it's a very bad situation. And

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it was wonderful though to see how much celebration there

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was from the Israelis and the Palestinians after this happened.

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You just pray that things continue to go well for

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both of them.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a heavy lift over there, because, yeah,

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and I don't get too deeply into it, but you

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have a society that does, like I said, doesn't have

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a coherent kind of ethnic historical idea about themselves other

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than that they had been subjected to this catastrophe and

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that they hate the people who brought it on them.

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And you know, so they have to get over that

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or there's never going to be peace as a society.

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Speaker 2: Hard to get over it when people who try to

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help them get over it get killed, and then also

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hard to get over it when you've got all sorts

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of money coming into the Palestinian territories from global corporations countries,

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and the political leadership of these areas needs these people

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to not live well to continue the whole scam, which

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is why I'm not Some people gone out of me,

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but I'm not super confident that this can truly continue

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because the people the Palestinian people are being unfairly constrained

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from contributing to the country, like they can't get normal jobs.

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any political weight according to the political leadership. And so

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when people are like, hey, here's a business we could

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form here, Hamas actually looks down on that rather than

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doing that as like a really good thing for their people.

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Speaker 1: No, for sure, they have Listen, they deserve a lot

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of the blame for the things that they do, and

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they do into violence quite often. But the truth is

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you're right. I mean, this goes back to the Soviets

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and the Arab States. They made sure that these people

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even when Egypt and Jordan ruled these places, to keep

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them in refugee camps. There are people in gods of

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living in refugee camps for seventy years, right, That is

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not normal. No other country does that to people. Everyone

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blames the Israelis, but Israelis cannot incorporate these people into

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their society because I'm sad to say, they act in

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very violent ways, nihilistic ways in my view, towards the people.

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So anyway, but there is no reason there can be

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peace and just quickly there's really no reason there can

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be peace between Iran and Israel. There is no real

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geopolitical problem between the two. Before the revolution, Israel and

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Iran were friendly. There's an Islamic problem in Iran that

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makes that impossible. So I don't know if they can

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get over it. Probably not, but there's no reason for

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this to be going on at all. Anyway. It's a

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good day after, as you know. You know, October seventh

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was traumatic, obviously for anyone who watched you as any

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kind of moral compass, but you know, especially I think,

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at least for me in Jewish people. So it's nice

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to see that Israel one. Frankly, they had a wide

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ranging victory against Iran. That's what this was. And now

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the hostages are back, were still alive. I feel so

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horrible for the people who didn't make it, but hopefully

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brighter horizons.

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Speaker 1: So let's move on to another story. I saw a

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lot of people on the left were angry about today.

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Pete Hexseth has instituted new rules at the Pentagon for

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the press. Only one network has signed this these set

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of rules, and that's like one America network, one of

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those conservative networks. But Fox Today said they would refuse

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to sign it as well. I find this well, Actually,

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let me ask you, what do you think of it?

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I saw you you talked about a little bit on Twitter.

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I think I don't.

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Speaker 2: Remember talking about it on Twitter, so forgive me. But sure,

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I did read the agreement, and I read it in

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part because I was reading all of these statements from

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people in the media, but they never quoted from the

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document that they were supposed to sign. Did you read

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the document?

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Speaker 1: I think I did. I don't know. I read the

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stories on it. I'm not sure if I read the

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actual document from the beginning to the end.

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Speaker 2: It's like a twenty page document.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well know is the answer on that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the vast majority of the document is going

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through policies for the employees, service members, or contractors of

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the Department of War. So it's not really about journalists.

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It's saying here are the rules for handling information to

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the press, and most specifically, it says that you need

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to have authorization to share basically any sensitive information with

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any member of the media or with anyone else. And

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then the thing that you sign as a media person. Okay,

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so this is about getting press credentials or renewal of

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press credentials. So a lot of it deals with stuff

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like where do you park, which parts of the building

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to have access to, which parts of the building do

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not have access to unless you have an escort, how

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many family members can you bring to fun events at

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the Pentagon if you have a press pass. You know,

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it's like a lot of just logistical stuff like that,

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you can't photograph anything, you know, in most of the

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areas you can photograph in the area where the press

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briefings are. How to get approval to photograph other areas

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or to get you know, top Department of War officials photographed.

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So do you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just

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focusing on stuff like that. And it says repeatedly and

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explicitly that nothing in the document should be read to

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constrain any First Amendment protected activity, and it also said,

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I mean, it has one part where it says like,

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if so, here are the rules that our people have

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to follow, and so if you are helping them violate

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those rules, they might get in trouble, which is again

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like okay. And then at the end it says what

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you sign. It's like signing when you download an app,

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and it says like, here are terms and conditions. Do

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you do you like understand them or whatever. So it

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just says do you acknowledge receipt of this? And that

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these are our policies even if you disagree with them.

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So the actual signing of this seems my Like I

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was trying so hard to find the part that you

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would have a tru you would have trouble with, and

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I couldn't really find it. It explicitly and repeat like literally,

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here's the last thing. Nothing in this document requires you

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to waive any constitutional rights. This in brief constitutes a

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description of Department of War policies. Here's another part, wait one,

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The receipt of unsolicited like sensitive information and its subsequent

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publication is generally protected by the First Amendment and would

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not on its own trigger denial, revocation or non referral

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of a press pass. And then it like also goes

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into like how if you're repeatedly doing it or you're

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publicly posting that, you're asking people to break the laws.

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information to WikiLeaks or whatever, then you might be in

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violation and you might have your press pass reviewed. So

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like the worst thing that can happen to you is

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that your press pass isn't renewed. And also you get

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due process for that, you get like thirty days, you

478
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get noticed, you can make your case for why it

479
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shouldn't be so like it'd be one thing. I guess

480
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if this were oh, it would be totally one thing

481
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for like Congress, But it's literally the Pentagon. And I

482
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don't know if it's because I used to work at

483
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a publication that covered the Pentagon, which had all sorts

484
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of restrictions on how you do information. But I was

485
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like trying to figure out the problem, and I was

486
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reading all these stories where they would make these claims

487
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about how awful it was, but they wouldn't actually have

488
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any quotes from the document to back it up.

489
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Speaker 1: You know, well, I saw many left wing journalist types

490
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exaggerate from what I saw. I didn't read the whole

491
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document like you did, so I don't exactly know the

492
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framing of how it worked, especially what you said about

493
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at the end that this wouldn't constitute a revocation of

494
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your credentials. But my problem was with the phrase you

495
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cannot commit or entice anyone to commit criminal acts, when

496
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the whole entire job of journalism wouldn't exist without criminal acts.

497
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There is no way to report on any useful story

498
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in the Pentagon if someone is not leaking information to you,

499
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if you do what they say, aren't you just writing

500
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press releases for whatever the Pentagons the way you do.

501
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Speaker 2: Here's the irony. What have our media been doing other

502
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than regurgitating press releases from the people that they're supposed

503
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to cover, Like that's all they do anyway?

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Speaker 1: So it's I agree, let's set that aside. Yeah, Well,

505
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I'm just saying that from my point of the.

506
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Speaker 2: New York Times. If they get access to sensitive information,

507
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they put this in their own stories. They will say,

508
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before we publish this sensitive information about the Pentagon or

509
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:35,160
the CIA, we notified the press office that we were

510
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going to do this, and they'll say that in the story,

511
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which is what the document says. If you have received

512
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sensitive information about troop deployments or whatever, the thing is,

513
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notify the PPO. Well, you might not like that, but

514
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:57,279
having access to the Pentagon is not in any way

515
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like a right that you're bestowed by being born American

516
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or something like that. It is where we plan our

517
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military operations. And so the idea that you could possibly

518
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lose your press pass for publishing information that gets soldiers killed, like,

519
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,799
do you honestly think that's a violation of First Amendment rights?

520
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,599
Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean the Pentagon papers were put out, or

521
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I think that's some journalistic institutions or outlets are irresponsible

522
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with that kind of information, And I definitely think they

523
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should be responsible if it doesn't have any real worth

524
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for people to read or see. But I think preemptively

525
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saying I will not I admit that, or I will

526
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not try to get any my hands on any leaked

527
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information and if I do, you can my Well, it

528
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:56,759
doesn't it say that they can revoke your No, No,

529
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I see you or you want to say something about that?

530
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So I have it or do I have it? On?

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Speaker 2: You never have to pl So this is I've read

532
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,680
this Washington Post story. It says Pentagon demands journalists pledge

533
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to not obtain unauthorized material. I read it. I read

534
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,400
it like three times. I was like, there's no part.

535
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And even in the story itself, the only quote it says,

536
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and I'll say this is the quote that they give

537
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,000
to support their claim that the Pentagon demands that you

538
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:35,279
pledge not to obtain unauthorized material. Department of War remains

539
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:40,039
committed to transparency to promote accountability and public trust. However,

540
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Department of War information must be approved for public release

541
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by an appropriate authorizing official before it is released, even

542
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,039
if it is unclassified. Again, I want to read to

543
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you that thing I said at the end of the

544
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document where it says nothing in this document requires you

545
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to waive in any constitutional rights. This, in brief, constitutes

546
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a description of Department of War policies. So it's like

547
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:12,720
they're telling their own people you are not to release

548
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,240
information unless you're authorized to release information.

549
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Speaker 1: But that first thing, Oh sorry, I'm just saying that

550
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first quote you gave me essentially says that you have

551
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to run things by the Pentagon before you publish them,

552
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which is not something I would sign say that. Well,

553
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,079
that first quote that you said said that you needed

554
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to run and buy the Pentagon office. If you're going

555
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to disclose on unclassified information, I would not do.

556
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Speaker 2: Think I just read that from the Washington Post story.

557
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Speaker 1: Oh, you read it from the Washington Post story. I

558
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thought it was a quote from the.

559
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Speaker 2: It says, I mean, it's the quote they give actually

560
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has nothing to do with the press side of things.

561
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It has to do with the Department of War side

562
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of things, which is we want to be giving I mean,

563
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this is what they're claiming. I'm not saying you should

564
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trust the part War or anybody else in the government.

565
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But what they're saying is we want to be accountable.

566
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,519
We want to be transparent, but we must we won't

567
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,839
release information unless it's authorized to be released. Now, that

568
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,039
has nothing to do with what you publish, and obviously

569
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the whole job of a reporter may be to get

570
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information that well, it's not the whole job of reporter.

571
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But in the course of doing your job, which is

572
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to tell the truth to your readers or your viewers

573
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about what's going on, you may be getting information that

574
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people don't want released. It could be information that CBS

575
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News doesn't want released, or it could be information that

576
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the Pentagon doesn't want released. You have to think about

577
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the news value of.

578
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Speaker 1: Doing so, for sure.

579
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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that you're guaranteed access to every

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part of the Pentagon. I mean, clearly nobody thinks that,

581
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or maybe like only the most radical people think that.

582
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So putting constraints on where you can travel when you

583
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:58,920
have a Pentagon press pass is not a violation of

584
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,640
your First Amendment right. It's saying you can't publish something

585
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,519
would be a restriction on your First Ament rights. But

586
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,039
saying that if you publish classified information about Troup movements

587
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,800
you might not be renewed for your press past that

588
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,280
gives you, you know, access to lots of parts of

589
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:15,880
the Pentagon.

590
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Speaker 1: That's just but it's not just true movements. There are

591
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all kinds of secrets that they hide in the Pentagon

592
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that have been uncovered in the past by journalists who

593
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,119
are in essence breaking the law. And my assumption is

594
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that these outlets don't want to create a precedent where

595
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you're problem making promises you don't intend to keep, even

596
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,679
if they don't revoke your I mean, this is just

597
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,960
again I haven't read the whole document, but this is

598
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what at least these news organizations are saying. And you

599
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,519
have to concede that there's a lot of them, including

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some conservative you know, news organizations, that don't want to

601
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do it. Now, I don't know, are they just writing

602
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,960
with the herd and they you know, and they don't

603
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,400
want to be well.

604
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Speaker 2: So like I've read all of their statements, I've read

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their story worries about it, and I will just note

606
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:06,559
nobody's quoting from the actual document. And if they were

607
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to quote from the actual document, I think they would

608
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,159
have a lot harder time being in on their high horse,

609
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because I can understand that a lot of people have

610
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made careers out of, you know, getting selective. It's like

611
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,679
the Department of Justice is where I've done most of

612
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:25,519
my stuff, or CIA or DNI. So I understand how

613
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it works in those contexts more than I understand how

614
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,119
it works at the Pentagon, and so frequently what happens

615
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,239
is very very very bad. Actors will work with hungry,

616
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,039
hungry journalists to give them selectively snipped little things that

617
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they are not supposed to release, and then they release it,

618
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and then the people just regurgitate it and it can

619
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cause major problems. Let's think about the example. I always

620
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,920
like to talk about the Russia collusion hoax, and then

621
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also nobody who leaks that information in a selective way

622
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:58,159
to make it seem like Donald Trump stole the twenty

623
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,440
sixteen election and that everyone working with him as a

624
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,320
Russian asset. Nobody is never held accountable. So that also

625
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,719
we've seen problems with that at the Pentagon. You might

626
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,239
remember what happened with the post Iran strike, right, So

627
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,599
Donald Trump bombs the nuclear capabilities of Iran and it

628
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:24,360
is enormously successful, enormously and some bureaucrat in some agency

629
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:30,280
at the Pentagon leaks that a preliminary review says actually

630
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,280
it was a humongous failure, and then a bunch of

631
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,880
left wing media run with this claim that it was

632
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,440
a complete failure. I think the Pentagon is trying to

633
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:45,239
tell those people who leak flagrantly all the time to

634
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,039
left wing journals or right wing that they're cracking down

635
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:50,880
on that, and they're trying to do it in the format.

636
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,440
I mean, this all arose out of an actual policy

637
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:56,440
change that Pete Hegseth signed, you know, many months ago,

638
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and so I think what they're trying to do is

639
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,360
clarify for people who say, like, oh, I I didn't

640
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,360
know I wasn't supposed to leak this completely ridiculous report

641
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,320
to MSNBC. They're trying to make it harder or make

642
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,440
it easier for them to be able to crack down

643
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,920
on that. Now you can say, reporters can say, like,

644
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,239
we don't like that, because that's how we get our stuff.

645
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,599
We don't want people to be cracked down on. But

646
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:19,400
that's kind of a separate issue than whether it's a

647
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,480
violation of First Amendment rights.

648
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Speaker 1: Well, like Tom Wolfe has that quote that journalism isn't

649
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,199
a craft, it's an attitude, and the attitude is I

650
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,800
get to see things I'm not supposed to and I

651
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,079
don't If we had real journalists, they wouldn't want that undermined.

652
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,480
I just worried a little bit that, you know, you

653
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,480
create a precedent here which undermines transparency of government.

654
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: A little, So I just want to actually read the

655
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thing you sign. Okay, Yeah, I have received, read and

656
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,719
understand the Pentagon Reservation in Brief for Media Members, with

657
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Appendices A through E, including Appendix A, which addresses the

658
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standard and pons for denying, revoking, or not renewing a

659
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press pass. The in brief describes Department of War policies

660
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and procedures. My signature represents my acknowledgment and understanding of

661
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:18,039
Department of War policies and procedures. Even if I do

662
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,519
not agree with such policies and procedures. Signing this does

663
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not waive any rights I have under law.

664
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, when you publish classified information, you're breaking

665
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,960
the law, right, you know. I was why they hold

666
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,760
you in contempt a court when they want to get

667
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,559
to your sources and people, some of the journalists to

668
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,159
go to jail. I'm just saying, I mean.

669
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Speaker 2: This document doesn't deal with that. This is just saying

670
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that they could revoke your press pass that gives you

671
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,840
easy access to the Pentagon if you were to Actually

672
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,000
it doesn't even say if you were to print such things.

673
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It says if you were to like repeatedly, willfully, like

674
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after do process, Like, it's not even to me that

675
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,960
big of a deal. It's sort of like a if

676
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,679
your WikiLeaks, we're not going to let you on the

677
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Pentagon campus.

678
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Speaker 1: Also, yeah, I mean I think that that's not real journalism.

679
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,840
That was just irresponsible. But go on what wiki leaks

680
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,000
does stuff like that? Yeah, I mean, when you're just

681
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,280
mass releasing and putting people's lives in danger and destroying

682
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,159
lives and just putting everything out there, I think that's

683
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,800
different than what a journalist should be doing. Not that

684
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,920
they do it right obviously most of the time, but I'm.

685
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Speaker 4: Sorry going It even says like, if you get access

686
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to this sensitive information and you're planning on publishing it,

687
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it doesn't say you can't publish it, or if you

688
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,079
publish it, you'll be you will lose your press pass.

689
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Speaker 2: It says you should share that with a PPO before

690
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you publish it. Should I mean, it's like, okay, I

691
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,960
mean it's also already the standard followed by every every

692
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major or even like non major media corporation that if

693
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you are about to publish sensitive information, you run it

694
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by the agency in question.

695
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Speaker 1: Do they really run it by the agency when they

696
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:11,400
publish sense of information that's the war stuff.

697
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Speaker 2: Yes, So New York Times will always do it for

698
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Pentagon related stuff, and they put it in their stories

699
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because they understand that when you're publishing this information, even

700
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the New York Times, which I have no regard for it,

701
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but even they understand. I think it's also the way

702
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they keep on the right side law for what you

703
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,280
just said, meaning people think they have the right to

704
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publish any information, no questions asked. But while you're probably

705
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,079
not going to be prosecuted for doing that, technically you

706
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,239
could be in violation of some laws. And so I

707
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think New York Times and other major media understand that,

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and so they will run it by people like, hey,

709
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we're about to out this, you know, confidential human source

710
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in their life could be in danger FYI, you know.

711
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But whether you have to do that or not, I

712
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guess it's a journalistic debate as well as goal debate.

713
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Speaker 1: I understand for wartime wartime incidents. But anyway, okay, I.

714
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Speaker 2: Just want to say two more things. One, it actually

715
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is helpful to talk to people when you're covering wars

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or other big things that you don't just get what

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their official statement is. But also if you are on

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the Pentagon campus. It enables you to have background or

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off the record conversations to provide context and understanding of strategy,

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or you know why something is becoming an issue, and

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you can you know, you can definitely this This document

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doesn't even deal with stuff like that. I still think

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that's the primary benefit for in person reporting. And again,

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it does not constrain the journalists. It constrains the Department

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of War employees, contractors, and service members. Now you might say, well,

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that's not cool. They should be free to leak anything

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they want, but that's a different issue than the First

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Amendment thing. The second thing I want to say is

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all these people being like, how dare Donald Trump say

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that you can't publish ossified information, which is not even

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what's being said here? Where were these people when our

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government targeted the Federalists for extermination? I mean, we have

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been in a battle, a First Amendment case against our government,

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the Biden administration, for trying to destroy us through censorship,

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and I never heard any of these people. Were almost

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done of these people even give airtime to what we've

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been going through, and we were not even given access

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to like we I had to do all of my

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Russia collusion reporting without the benefit of having like easy

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access to the Pentagon because they didn't give US press credentials.

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And so I just think people kind of pick and

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choose what they want to talk about, and they are

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complete and utter hypocrites. And if they really cared about

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the First Amendment and free speech, they would have been

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helping us in our battle.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, Yes, the left are hypocrites. I think that

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needs to be appended to every conversation we have about everything.

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So it's there. I agree, and it is not cool.

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Is definitely something I would say. But you know, I

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think journalists just listen. If things are healthy, if the

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environment is right, journalists are trying to get their hands

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on things that are not supposed to. Some people are

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leaking because they don't like what the administration's doing, and

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it sort of keeps people somewhat honest and usually and

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the administration should be trying to figure out who's leaking

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and then prosecute them, like this is the symbiotic relationship.

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I guess that these things should be having. But things

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are broken. I get it. Let's talk about journalism and

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broken journalism. Oh that's such a good segue. So paramount

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sky Dance, which owns CBS, bought a couple of weeks

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ago Barry Weise's publication The Free Press, and then made

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Wise the editor in chief of CBS News The Free Press,

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which I read, I subscribe. Sometimes I like the pieces,

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sometimes I disagree with them. It's I think I call

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it sort of a old old fashioned liberal publication that

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allows some Well we'll get into that in a minute.

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The left freaks out. John Oliver is as his name

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on HBO. You know, he's just going after everyone's going

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after her. I think it tells us too. We can

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discuss this more. I just want to preface it by

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saying it tells us two things I think about the

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state of modern journalism. One is that it's learnt so

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far to the left that centrist positions seem just like

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heterodox And the second thing is that the gatekeepers of

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journalism are simply incapable of hearing even mildly dissenting viewpoints

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without freaking out because their cultural supremacies on the line,

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Because these institutions are the crowns of that cultural supremacy still,

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even though they've lost a lot of viewership. So I

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don't know anyway, what was your take on Barrioece's.

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Speaker 2: I kind of agree with everything you're saying there. So

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people on the left are freaking out because they view

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CBS quote unquote news as an institution that they can

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reliably count on to deliver elections and other major political victories,

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and so they are freaking out that anyone who's not

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super hardcore propagandist on the left might have anything to

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do with their news quote unquote news gathering or news

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production operation. CBS is known for having what used to

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be considered like a flagship excellent program called sixty Minutes,

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And you think about just like, let's look at like

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three interviews with CBS sixty minutes. A lot of attention

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was drawn to the Kamala Harris one, and in fact,

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they ended up having to settle over their deceptive editing

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of that with the Trump Library. But I like to

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think about the one with Joe Biden that took place

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the same week as the October seventh launch of the war,

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where Joe Biden came in and I think it's Scott

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Pelly says, I'm right, who's interviewing him. I don't even remember.

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All these people kind of look alike to me. But

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first off, he's like he begins by being like it

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had been a hard week on President Biden, and he

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seemed tired. Well. I have talked with some people inside

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who say they had to perform an absolute, quote unquote

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monster edit on that interview to get it able to

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be aired. And when that woman who was part of

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the family that bought CBS, one of the reasons why

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she said that they settled was because I don't know

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red what is her name for, Sherdon Redstone, I don't know.

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She said that she was really worried that it would

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come out what they had done to that Joe Biden interview,

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which is the only public thing I have been able

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to find of what happened there. But that matches with

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my sourcing, which is that they had to edit the

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heck out of it to get it able to be

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viewed in a way that was not deeply alarming for

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President Biden. And they would never do that with Donald Trump.

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And we know that because do you remember at the

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end of his first term, there was that woman.

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Speaker 1: I don't know my name, she's a white.

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Speaker 2: Woman, I don't know who was saying that they Trump

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was saying something about how they should have reported the

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truth about Russia collusion hoax or the hunter Biden laptop,

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and she was like, we can't do what you're saying

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because we only traffic in the facts. It's like, well

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that's a lie. CBS News pushed the Russia collusion conspira

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theory that you pushed so many like going back to

826
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Dan rather and wasn't was Katy Kuirk. There I get

827
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confused again between which networks everybody's at where they're like, okay, sorry,

828
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and these are, you know, at public airwaves, which should

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have a higher standard and should have some you know,

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like thought about balance, and they're just routinely helping out democrats.

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And then it culminates with that Kamala Harris interview where

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they have one answer to a question that airs on

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their program and a different answer to the same question

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that aired on the teaser. And so it revealed how

835
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much they had edited to help her out a little

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bit of shading and helpful editing, little bit of democratic colleagues,

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and then a shading and editing against your republican interview subjects.

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Speaker 1: I mean that Kamala interview was not lightly edited. That

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was it was essentially edited in a way that would

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make the whole thing be be dishonest, right, because it

841
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didn't convey how she really was or what she was

842
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,840
really saying, and not just that. But then they use

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these this and the quotes that were cleaned up in stories.

844
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You know, her her swirling tautology is we're cleaned up,

845
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thrown into stories as cogent, you know, coherent phrases. So

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but but you mentioned Dan Rather. He said it was

847
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a dark Dan Rather who spread a fraudulent document about

848
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a sitting president to try to unseat him in an election.

849
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Said that it was a dark day in the halls

850
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of CBS News because Barry Wise is going to you know,

851
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oversee operations, not even you know, not not not dictate

852
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,960
how people report in a sense, but just tell just

853
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direct the ship a certain direction.

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Speaker 2: So on that note, I think that the people who

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bought CBS are trying to make it seem that by

856
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bringing on Barry Weiss, that they're bringing balance to their

857
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news operation, and that she's going to help provide balance.

858
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You said when you first introduce this topic that the

859
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Free Press is like an old school liberal publication. I'm

860
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this accurate. It's not in any way conservative. It's just

861
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anti some of the most extreme parts of the left,

862
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but not even all. And in twenty nineteen I said

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this Sun out Numbered today. But in twenty nineteen Vanity

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Fair ran this like beautiful, gauzy profile of Barry Wise,

865
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with beautiful pictures and so nice, and the very first

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line says that she's and I quote a Trump loathing

867
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theater nerd who was raised in a feminist Yeshiba Now

868
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CBS's new owners can act like having a quote unquote

869
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Trump loathing theater nerd balances out the CBS operation, But

870
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it actually doesn't. I mean it does a little bit.

871
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I guess, like she's certainly an improvement over some of

872
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the people who are there, but it's not even remote balance.

873
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:08,119
A majority of the country does not loathe Trump, like

874
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everyone who works at CBS plus Barry Weiss do not.

875
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You know, a majority of the country doesn't. Where do

876
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we go for balance in our news? Like you can

877
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,199
like her and think she's smart, and you know, wish

878
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,239
her the best in rooting out the corruption there. But

879
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,880
it's kind of like, okay, be nice to have I mean,

880
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,639
how much how much would it take to have a

881
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,960
single person at CBS who voted for Trump much less

882
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half of their staff.

883
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, I kind of disagree. I'm not

884
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,199
exactly sure specifically what I disagree with, but just in

885
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,880
your tone, I think that a Trump loathing this Trump

886
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,079
loathing theater major. First of all, I don't know if

887
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:55,519
that's still the case with her, but more than.

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Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen. So like it'd be one thing for

889
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twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen, but twenty nineteen is deep

890
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,679
into the first Trump administration that had been pretty successful

891
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,079
prior to COVID. So it's like, but things have changed,

892
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:10,360
arrangement syndrome.

893
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Speaker 1: Things have changed a lot for her since then, she

894
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left the time, since then she was pushed down all that.

895
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,360
But anyway, but she covers at least I read the

896
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Free Press and I listened to her speak. I don't

897
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,360
want you know, I'm not like fluent in all her positions,

898
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:28,360
but I think her she treats Donald Trump as she

899
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,599
would treat any other president and coverage, and I think

900
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that that is something admirable, especially when you don't like

901
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,320
the person. I mean, I think we have to take

902
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,679
baby steps here. You're not CBS isn't going to turn conservative.

903
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,760
This is a cultural problem that goes back into the

904
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,639
JA schools. You know, it's not going to be fixed overnight,

905
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,679
but here's what I like about it. For instance, the

906
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,639
free press as a debate I think it happened or

907
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:55,440
is coming up between Alan Dershowitz and Dana lash Right.

908
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,199
That is better than anything CBS has ever done on

909
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,360
guns ever, Like people are actually going to hear the

910
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,920
other side of things, And for me, that's a massive

911
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,960
victory considering what has gone on in media. I think

912
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,159
it's'll be very hard for her to be successful there

913
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,480
with considering what the culture is like. She's going to

914
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:19,159
be undermined by everyone there right under her. But I

915
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,000
think she deserves a little more credit than you're giving her.

916
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:23,280
And I do.

917
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: Listen, she literally just said I wish her well.

918
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:27,679
Speaker 1: I know, but what I know, people.

919
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: Should pretend she's conservative when she describes herself as a

920
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,920
you know, Trump loading theater nerd raised in a feminist yeshiva,

921
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:38,960
Like we should just be aware of what's happening there.

922
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,920
But do I wish her well? Absolutely do. I think

923
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,960
she's smart and capable.

924
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: So the year after that, she was pushed out of

925
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the New York Times.

926
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Speaker 2: Yeah, bullied out of it, and it was like a

927
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,679
completely hostile work environment because she stood up for Tom

928
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,039
Cotton op ed running right.

929
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,119
Speaker 1: Also because she didn't well when they had the time

930
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:00,639
story about why she left and how you know, they

931
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:04,679
couch everything in their euphemisms. But she was she was

932
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critical or did not wholly buy the story on Brett

933
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:12,400
Kavanaugh's rape pokes long the way away.

934
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Speaker 2: I remember this one too, Okay. Yeah, what she did

935
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,880
say some stuff in defense of Brett Kavanaugh not being

936
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,559
ousted over the allegations. She got a lot of pushback,

937
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,800
and then she immediately was like, oh, I'm so sorry,

938
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,679
like that was so wrong of me.

939
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well that was as someone who.

940
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:35,679
Speaker 2: You know suffered during that era for not going along

941
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,920
with the Washington Post smear job. You kind of remember

942
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,360
who stood strong and who didn't.

943
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Speaker 1: Okay, And her real sin was as a New York

944
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,880
Times quote quote here is that she she questioned aspects

945
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,559
of the social justice movements.

946
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Speaker 2: She's like, like you said, she's a good old school liberal, right.

947
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:57,000
I love old school liberals. See of my favorite people

948
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,440
I think of like Matt Tayibi in this way, or

949
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:01,480
Uri berl Or who she hired at the Free Press.

950
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I like those people. I love those people. Also, they

951
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:05,960
don't want to kill me, which is a huge step

952
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:08,079
up from most of the people who work at CBS

953
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:08,679
News Presuma.

954
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: But I also like you.

955
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, it's not the same as actually

956
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,199
hiring someone out.

957
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: No, I mean, but she can bring in people to

958
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,119
balance it out somewhat. But more than that, you know,

959
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,039
she doesn't treat. I don't think she treats, and maybe

960
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:24,280
her opinions were different in the past. I don't think

961
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,760
that that site talks about social conservatives like there are

962
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:33,000
a bunch of slack jawed yokels who worship a son God, right, they're.

963
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: What they do, use false pronouns, they're there. They I

964
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:41,079
don't know that everyone translology by using false pronouns. I

965
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:43,440
still remember the piece they ran, well, they run a

966
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,440
lot of like pro legal immigration pieces. They they ran

967
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,280
a thing saying that the Democrats who fled to Illinois

968
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,039
to avoid voting on redistricting were like Moses leading people

969
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,760
out of That's like they're they're fine, but they're not,

970
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,639
you know, they're not conservable school liberal, as you point out,

971
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:03,639
and they're certainly like, if you're not strong enough to

972
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:07,320
resist the trans cult, are you really going to be

973
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,960
strong enough to do what needs to happen at CBS.

974
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,679
I'm worried about it. I still wish her well. I

975
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:17,599
think she's again very bright and capable. But if you're

976
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:19,800
not willing to resist the trans cult, it's a very

977
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:20,360
bad sign.

978
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:24,199
Speaker 1: I think that we make a mistake sometimes, and people

979
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,880
do it to the Federalist, and people did it, do

980
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,440
it to National Review, and people do it to the

981
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:32,880
Washington Examiner. They say this, publications saying this, and this

982
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,639
publication saying that when individual writers have their own viewpoints

983
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,000
usually and say the things that they believe. So I

984
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:45,840
don't know, honestly what the editorial standard for trans pronoun

985
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,039
stuff is there. And you're probably right about that, But

986
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,480
I don't know that everyone there. I mean, they do

987
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,360
have the writers, those left wing writers who are very

988
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:58,039
I like Jesse's signal is that his name? I forget,

989
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,920
but like and others who are very critical of that

990
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,000
movement writing for the free press. So you know, I'm

991
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,159
just saying, you know, there are different viewpoints there, I think,

992
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:10,440
So I don't know. Trying to be positive today, everyone's

993
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,480
moving in the right direction.

994
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,639
Speaker 2: It's certainly an improvement. Like I said, it's certainly an improvement.

995
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:18,840
I'm just worried about how much we'll actually improve here.

996
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:25,239
Speaker 1: We'll see culture. Yeah, I heard a rumor that you

997
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,519
actually have stuff to talk about as far as this

998
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,199
goes with, even with all your travels.

999
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: So well, I actually was home and I had all

1000
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,239
sorts of fun things to do, including I got to

1001
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:39,320
go to the Kennedy Center to see a ballet by

1002
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:45,320
the Stuttgart Ballet Company. On Again is how I'm saying it.

1003
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: I've done books.

1004
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:48,679
Speaker 2: I always hate that when you read something you have

1005
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:50,639
no idea how to pronounce it. So it's based on

1006
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,079
Eugene on Again, which is a great book and which

1007
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:59,639
is written in sonnet form. And I've only seen two

1008
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:02,559
ballet is in my lifetime and they were both fantastic,

1009
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:06,840
so this was no exception. Unsurprisingly, and there it's already

1010
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,400
gone from the Kennedy Center, so if you missed it,

1011
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,119
you snooze, you lose. But I really enjoyed it, and

1012
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,800
I'm I have a kid who's really in the theater

1013
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,280
and stuff, so I'm trying to go to more productions

1014
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,719
like that. Yes, yeah, so I was just going to say,

1015
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:31,199
I've started reading this other this book that is written

1016
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,719
by a visiting professor at Hillsdale, which is an homage

1017
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:43,480
to Eugene Onegan called Eugene Nadleman, and it's great. It's

1018
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:48,320
set in Pennsylvania, you know, about a young Jewish kid,

1019
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,440
and I'm only like at the early part. But it's

1020
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:55,599
also done in poetic form, and I would recommend it

1021
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:59,599
to people. Michael Weinrad Eugene Nailman.

1022
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,679
Speaker 1: I have a giant pile of books. I think I'll

1023
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:05,119
save that for like one episode. Probably maybe I'll mention

1024
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:07,280
a couple because it ties into what I'm going to

1025
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,840
talk about. The first thing. I saw a terrible movement.

1026
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,880
Terrible's harsh. I saw a movie called The Woman in

1027
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,320
Cabin ten. I did do what you think of it,

1028
00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:17,400
I already gave it.

1029
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: I was so excited at the beginning. I never read

1030
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,760
the book. I know it was like a huge bestseller, right.

1031
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,960
I always saw people reading it on the train or playing,

1032
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:28,400
but I never read it. So I was excited. It

1033
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,840
started out so great. I thought, really good actors, you know,

1034
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,400
star studed, cast, beautiful cinematography. Books for a Netflix thing.

1035
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks great, and then I just.

1036
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: Thought it fell apart completely and became really cheesy.

1037
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,079
Speaker 1: I think the problem was, and I am not a

1038
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:48,360
script writer or anything, but they basically gave it away

1039
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,239
in the middle, like it would have been I don't

1040
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:53,719
want to give away the spoilers, but they should have

1041
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,119
kept the big secret a secret to the end and

1042
00:59:56,159 --> 01:00:00,559
it would have been like whoa. Then once they gave

1043
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:02,360
it away, it was just like a Chase movie on

1044
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,760
a boat basically, right. Yeah, So I don't know, that's

1045
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,119
what That's what I felt the problem.

1046
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:11,679
Speaker 2: I think it was terrible, and I also liked that

1047
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:15,679
it wasn't totally overly long, which a lot of movies are.

1048
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,559
Speaker 1: Did you get a little bit of a me too

1049
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,360
sense here? Like all the men are bad and all

1050
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,880
the women are strong? And I just like, there's like,

1051
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,119
all the men on the ship are weasels, essentially one

1052
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:34,360
is a murderer, and all women are good and strong.

1053
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: So I was talking to someone who had read the

1054
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,679
book and she said that in the book, like the movie,

1055
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,360
did a change up on the character the woman in

1056
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:50,920
Cabin eleven, that she was not so good in the book.

1057
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:56,039
Speaker 5: She had the woman in Cabin ten sorry ten Okay, yeah,

1058
01:00:56,199 --> 01:01:00,880
not the women in Cabin eight, Okay, said I notice

1059
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,000
how the journalists smart.

1060
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: Also was more complicated in the book.

1061
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: So I would have helped, yeah, because you know, this

1062
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,239
was a journalist from the Guardian and all the you know,

1063
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,000
there's a goofy guy there, but all the women are

1064
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:19,039
running things and they're all smart and anyway, I just

1065
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:22,480
got a little sense of it nightly or yeah, she's

1066
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:24,880
so pretty, she's actually good. And Guy Pearce is in it,

1067
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,480
who I think is always good, and all the acting

1068
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:29,920
was fine and it looked really nice and and everything

1069
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,840
was fine in that regard. I actually think it was

1070
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:34,639
a slight script problem. The other thing I wanted to

1071
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:37,559
mention was that Diane Keaton died, which made me sad

1072
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,400
because obviously I'm a huge Woody Allen fan. In those

1073
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,519
early movies with her, I think she's better at being

1074
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:45,480
Woody Allen than Woody Allen in a way. I mean,

1075
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,519
she was just genius in those movies Love and Death.

1076
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:51,440
I think is just a great played against Sam whatever.

1077
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,599
I mean, she was just so fantastic and so young.

1078
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,400
I didn't realize how young she was in those movies.

1079
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,480
In her twenties. Anyway, it was sad. It's kind of

1080
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,079
sad as we grow older to these sort of icons

1081
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:04,000
or Hollywood icons of our youth are kind of going.

1082
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,559
Speaker 2: Well, I love Diane Keaton, so thanks for mentioning that.

1083
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,159
And I also love it when a director has a

1084
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:13,119
relationship with a muse, like with an actress who you

1085
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,719
really can cast and work with. And that was definitely

1086
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:19,119
the situation with Woody and her.

1087
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:23,639
Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't mention Annie Hall because Dan

1088
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:27,000
Kane's last name was actually Hall, so it's based on

1089
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:27,920
her bit Yeah.

1090
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:31,239
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah. So also it just kind of hit me

1091
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,639
because she reminds me of my mother, who's the same age,

1092
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:38,360
and so I just was like, whoa, you're not allowed

1093
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,760
to die at that age at least my mom's not.

1094
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,840
So yeah, she's great.

1095
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also read Woody Allan wrote his first novel,

1096
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:51,480
What's What's with Baum? It's called and uh, it was

1097
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:54,039
pretty good, and you know, I'm you know, I'm a

1098
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:55,840
big fan. I know a lot of people aren't. But

1099
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,119
another book I just want to quickly mention right that

1100
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:00,960
I reread for the first time in a long time.

1101
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,400
In the movie's fantastic it's from the sixties. Have you

1102
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,760
ever seen The Mouse That Roared? With Peter Sellers playing

1103
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:07,719
all the many of.

1104
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: The characters, Yeah, I have been.

1105
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,519
Speaker 1: I read it because it reminded me of Godza. The story,

1106
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:15,239
of course, is that there's this little duchy that has

1107
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,519
no money and nothing in Europe. So they noticed that

1108
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,079
the Americans, whenever they win a war, literally just make

1109
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:24,000
the country they've beaten rich, so that we should attack America.

1110
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,880
But they attack when there's a kind of a national

1111
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,199
nuclear test shutdown, so they actually win the war. It's

1112
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,880
a very funny book. Yeah, and there's some sequels. It's

1113
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,400
very funny but great. Okay.

1114
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,559
Speaker 2: I also watched a documentary that I'm Want to do Ookat,

1115
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:44,480
which was so good everybody should stop this podcast and

1116
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:48,199
immediately go watch it, which was I.

1117
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,119
Speaker 1: Like me, Oh yes, I started in and stopped because

1118
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:52,519
I thought my wife would want to watch it.

1119
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, how could you stop it? It's so good?

1120
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what really blew my mind that this.

1121
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,239
Speaker 2: Amat John You'd explain this about John Kins?

1122
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe I had thirty years ago over

1123
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,039
thirty years ago. It just feels like he's always around,

1124
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,519
you know, in movies.

1125
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, it did. See I thought I actually just

1126
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:17,239
honestly thought he died about ten years after he did. So. Yeah,

1127
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,840
but the documentary itself was really well done. Usually I

1128
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,519
am sad that there's not more information about someone like

1129
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:25,559
who they really are, and it felt a little bit

1130
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:28,800
that way. But it was so well done with such

1131
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,920
excellent interviews of great and funny people, and the light

1132
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:36,280
that was within him, the love that was within him,

1133
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,079
just shone through so completely that it was a It

1134
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:43,400
was a beautiful thing to watch. I really enjoyed it,

1135
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,599
and I was surprised that Colin Hanks, Tom Hanks's kid,

1136
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,519
did it because it was so good.

1137
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,039
Speaker 1: The Hanks don't do good work. Yeah, it's getting really

1138
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:58,559
great reviews, you know, people love it. And he was again,

1139
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:02,039
I'm always like nostalgia, nostalgia, nostalgia, But I have to say,

1140
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:04,639
John Candy was in like half of the movies that

1141
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:06,760
really meant something to me growing up. You know, a

1142
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,480
lot of them were goofy, but I forgot that he

1143
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,199
was like in Stripes and Blues Brothers, like he was

1144
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:15,880
in just so many of those movies, and he wasn't.

1145
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:18,320
He was a relatively young man, you know, he just

1146
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,880
had this kind of like he could play younger, he

1147
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,960
could play older. He was just really great.

1148
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 2: So I also really liked how I liked the mcaulay

1149
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:31,119
culkin interviews in there, and I didn't see oh sorry, yeah, sorry,

1150
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,119
well you'll get you'll get to it. But where he's

1151
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,800
talking about the love that John Candy showed him because

1152
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,199
he could kind of tell that mcaulay Culkin's father was

1153
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:45,559
a monster. Yeah, and what that meant Uncle Buck, just

1154
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:48,039
as a young young man, what that was like to

1155
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:51,079
go through. Also, another thing I like about it, and

1156
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:55,239
which I what I really want is a John Hughes documentary.

1157
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:59,199
This guy is such an important filmmaker and he's almost

1158
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,159
never talked about, and we don't know that much about him,

1159
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:05,000
and he also died pretty young he worked. One of

1160
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:07,119
one of the points that macaulay Culkin makes is, you know,

1161
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:10,639
people sometimes associate him or Molly Ringwald with John Hughes,

1162
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:13,079
and he's like, you know, we each did three films.

1163
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:15,360
John Candy did.

1164
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: Nine, Yeah, Vacation for instance, Yeah.

1165
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: And you know, and some of those were roles written

1166
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:23,599
for him, So they really again had a bond, like

1167
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:27,599
we were just talking about with Woody Allen and Van Keaton,

1168
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,599
John Hughes and John Candy had a bond. And the

1169
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:34,480
best thing ever, I think is The Planes, Trains and

1170
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:38,599
Automobiles Raw, which just such a great cuts me every time.

1171
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, such a great movie.

1172
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: And that's what the name of the documentary comes from,

1173
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,079
right because he gives that great speech. Oh yeah, Steve

1174
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:48,840
Martin character just like tears into him and just keeps

1175
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,159
going and saying like what an awful person he is

1176
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:54,480
and how annoying he is. And then John Candy responds with,

1177
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:57,239
I like me so beautiful.

1178
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,559
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's okay. That movie has such a big heart.

1179
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:02,960
You know, that's just a really great movie. John Hughes

1180
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,360
like define the aesthetic of the eighties, you know what

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I mean. Like his movies were such a big deal

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to teenagers, but probably to people in their twenties and stuff.

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It's just amazing.

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Speaker 2: Oh so, also on that I watched, there's like so much.

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I've been for months being like I haven't seen anything,

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and now I'm like, oh, go go, Mark and I

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watched a single episode of a TV show called Platonic, which.

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Speaker 1: Has do you know who is that seth Rogen and

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Rose Bayer or.

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Speaker 2: Her name, so that's her name, and it was like fine,

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it was better than I thought it would be. We're

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definitely not watching any more episodes of it for a

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variety of reasons. But at the end, Mark said something

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about how the left's art just has no moral core

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and how it frequently puts people up who I just

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have there's like nothing to their life. And to compare

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that with John Hughes, who, even in a traveling salesman,

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brings out this just world of emotion and meaning and

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depth and like support for the sanctity of marriage and

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friendship and treating everybody that you encounter in a good way.

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Like it's a big difference, and we don't have that

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happening in a lot of art right now.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. At some point in my life

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I hit my fill of Seth Rogan. I was like, beep,

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that's it, Like I don't want to hear it anymore.

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We've had enough because it's always the same tenor and

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the same kind of jokes and the same person Like

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there's no range there. I don't think, at least I've

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never seen him do anything that impressed me that he

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is out of his comfort zone. So anyway, and that's fine.

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It's fine people like him and that's fine, all right. Great,

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I bashed on Seth Rogan. Seth Rogan followed me on

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Twitter for like five minutes once, and he was like, out,

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I've made a horrible mistake. Great, look forward to more

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of your cultural takes next week, Molly. Until then, everyone

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be lovers of freedom and anxious for the FRAY.

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Speaker 2: So sorry. I just wanted to remind everybody that we have,

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in addition to the Federalist Radio our podcast, we also

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have a new podcast, the Kylie Cast, which you can

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both watch and listen to anywhere you watch and listen

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to podcasts, so you can watch it on Rumble or

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YouTube and then also listen to it on the Normal Thing,

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So make sure you check it out. She's awesome. We

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already know Federalist Radio Hour is great, but Kylie is

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awesome and has great insights on all cultural and political events.

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Speaker 1: Kylie is great. I can vouch for her. I don't

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know if I agree with everything she says, but she's

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definitely great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need to agree with her.

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Speaker 1: She too is a lover of freedom and anxious for

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the FRA. She is definitely anxious for the fray. She's

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a fray all right, see you next week. Bye.

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Speaker 4: The upper of the plants sus s plats, and still