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<v Speaker 1>What the hell is this? What are we?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you playing on a Wednesday afternoon when you

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<v Speaker 2>really only had one one job to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do with the music?

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<v Speaker 2>I did punt on this one to our guest k

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<v Speaker 2>A little fairytale of New York here.

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm told that k joins us live from the

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<v Speaker 2>top floor of the New York Times building in Midtown Manhattan?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true? A fairytale of New York? If you will,

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<v Speaker 1>Big city guy over here, Chris, what's going on? Man?

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<v Speaker 3>Coming? See you? Live at the fifteenth floor, staring out

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<v Speaker 3>at forty first and eight. Big day in the Big Apple.

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<v Speaker 3>Forecast called for rain, not so much rain, but the

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<v Speaker 3>streets are starting to turn blue and orange. And I

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<v Speaker 3>wonder why love hearing that?

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<v Speaker 2>So? As I often say, I like to claim that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from the right coast, Chris, you are from the

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<v Speaker 2>left coast. How does a left coaster or digest being

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<v Speaker 2>what I've in what I like to call the right coast.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a great question, and I'm glad to know

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<v Speaker 3>that you accurately stated where we each lie on that

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<v Speaker 3>left coast. Best coast is going to be my firm argument.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would just say that being here. I would

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<v Speaker 3>probably summarize it best by saying, like this is America,

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<v Speaker 3>Like this is everything and anything you could possibly need

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<v Speaker 3>to know about this great, beautiful, complicated country is right here,

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<v Speaker 3>distilled into a very small piece of land between a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of random rivers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a great city. Man, I hate to be

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<v Speaker 2>that guy. I miss it so much, and I miss

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<v Speaker 2>it in the spring. Do you find yourself enjoying it?

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<v Speaker 2>Because most people from the left coach coast, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not the best coast, but we will not debate that

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<v Speaker 2>today do not find themselves enjoying the right coast because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little more claustrophobic, shall we say?

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<v Speaker 1>So, do you find yourself enjoy in the endeavor?

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<v Speaker 3>I do. I very much enjoy it, but unfortunately I

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<v Speaker 3>came at a very bad weather time. It is like

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<v Speaker 3>fifty five and piss and rain off and on. And

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<v Speaker 3>last year when I was out here it was like

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<v Speaker 3>eighty five and perfect, and I was riding the rentable

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<v Speaker 3>e bikes and all this stuff. And now I'm kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like it's late May. Like your city should be

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<v Speaker 3>giving me a little bit of a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>reason to sweat, you know, should be given me some humidity,

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<v Speaker 3>but instead it's windy, it's rainy, and it's cold. But alas,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to complain fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>One more thing here you referenced these streets are turning

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<v Speaker 2>orange and blue, and there really is not a city

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<v Speaker 2>that celebrates their sports teams and summarily dismisses them if

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<v Speaker 2>we're fair, quite like Manhattan and the surrounding borough.

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<v Speaker 1>So is there a palpable buzz?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell that the Knicks are about to play

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<v Speaker 2>in the Eastern Conference Finals?

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<v Speaker 3>The buzz is palpable. And in Times Square where I am,

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<v Speaker 3>people are already walking towards you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>the address off the top of my head, so I apologize,

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<v Speaker 3>but they are walking toward MSG. And I can tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that even just walking up to Central Park last night,

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<v Speaker 3>even Senthya photo, there was a party bus that was

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<v Speaker 3>painted blue and orange in honor of the Knix, and

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<v Speaker 3>there was a basketball hoop on the back, and people

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<v Speaker 3>were screaming into the microphone all sorts of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>celebratory mix information and words that I can't necessarily express

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<v Speaker 3>on air, even though I did mistakingly last week. So

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<v Speaker 3>for that, again, I apologize, But Yes, the city is

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<v Speaker 3>ready for the garden to go nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>The address is very simple. People overthink it. It's four

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<v Speaker 2>Penn Plaza, New York, New York. It is between seventh

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<v Speaker 2>and eight, between West thirty first and West thirty third.

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<v Speaker 1>But the address is four Penn Plaza. Ck. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's only like an eight minute walk from here. So

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<v Speaker 3>if it stops raining, I might have to walk down

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<v Speaker 3>and go check out some fellow big bombers. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe maybe maybe get on a side talk video.

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<v Speaker 3>Could you imagine me?

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<v Speaker 2>You you should, man, I bet it's a spectacle, like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they haven't seen in twenty five years. If

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<v Speaker 2>you have an opportunity, you should walk down and check

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<v Speaker 2>it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your respect.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not quite you know, like what it's like outside

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<v Speaker 2>Delta Center when the Jazz are playing in the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just different in that city.

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<v Speaker 3>And the people watching is as a plus as it gets,

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<v Speaker 3>which is something that I love to specialize in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing there, young man? I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>not there for the Nick game? What are you doing

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<v Speaker 2>in midtown Manhattan?

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<v Speaker 3>Once a year, our college football staff has a big

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<v Speaker 3>annual summit is what you say in big time business

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<v Speaker 3>wig parlance. So where the staffers are getting together to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the year that was and the year that

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<v Speaker 3>lies ahead, and you know, just getting to see lots

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<v Speaker 3>of close friends and be the least smart person in

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<v Speaker 3>the room.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's that's a group of college football heavy hitters

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<v Speaker 2>on the media side of things.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're not a name dropper, but who are

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<v Speaker 1>in those rooms?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you know, the great Stu Mandel, Bruce Feldman, Chris Vanini,

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<v Speaker 3>David Euban, the list goes on and on. We've we've

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<v Speaker 3>had a very strong college football staff over the years,

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<v Speaker 3>and we've had some people move on to other endeavors.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, once upon a time you had the the

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<v Speaker 3>Nicole auerbacks and now Ari Wasserman's who are now at

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<v Speaker 3>other publications. But we still have some heavy hitters. And

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<v Speaker 3>again I'm not even in the ninth spot. I'm the

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<v Speaker 3>utility man on the bench.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's uh, I don't believe that's true. But I'll

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<v Speaker 2>allow your feigned humility on the program today. But let

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<v Speaker 2>me take advantage of this. What what are some of

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<v Speaker 2>the if you would care to share? I know these

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<v Speaker 2>are closed doors meetings with the athletic college football staff.

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<v Speaker 2>What are some of the big time college football storylines

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<v Speaker 2>and topics that are being bantered about in a room

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<v Speaker 2>such as that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, as you can imagine the house settlement that appears

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<v Speaker 3>to be close to being done, We've been waiting for

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<v Speaker 3>this ruling for a long time. One of my best

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<v Speaker 3>and favorite colleagues, Justin Williams, is the man who's been

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<v Speaker 3>tasked with sifting through these documents ad nauseum for the

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<v Speaker 3>last year plus and getting to know sources at the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the law, the judicial, you know, collegiate, all

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<v Speaker 3>these levels that are necessary that you need to learn

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<v Speaker 3>to try to distill this down into something that is

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<v Speaker 3>tangibly easy to digest. He does a way better job

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<v Speaker 3>than I ever could. We all make a joke that

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<v Speaker 3>we decided to get into this business to cover college football,

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<v Speaker 3>and we, in a weird way, turned out we had

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<v Speaker 3>to learn how to cover the court system in real time.

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<v Speaker 3>So lots of you know, house settlement stuff, the state

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<v Speaker 3>of nil transfer portal, lots of things that you could

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<v Speaker 3>easily imagine, and then you know, the interesting storylines this

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<v Speaker 3>upcoming season. You know, you can't get into a meeting

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<v Speaker 3>about college football without talking about Deon Sanders or Bill

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<v Speaker 3>Belichick at UNC or is Ohio State going to repeat

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<v Speaker 3>lots of very you know, typical things. But it's just

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<v Speaker 3>nice to be able to get together with colleagues once

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<v Speaker 3>a year and just kind of shoot the breeze.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, let's start with probably the hottest topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you conform or deny that Bill Belichick and Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Hudson are engaged?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? I cannot confirm that.

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<v Speaker 1>How much was that? How much was that topic Dan

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<v Speaker 1>died about today?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't hear much about it, just because I think

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<v Speaker 3>we've been broken up into into different groups. But I

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<v Speaker 3>can guarantee you there will be reported very fascinating stories

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<v Speaker 3>on the topic of Bill Belichick at North Carolina at

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<v Speaker 3>the in the coming weeks and months.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, Fair enough?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Chris, My guess is I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>if you've seen this, but because it's a big news

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<v Speaker 2>here locally, I do need to ask you about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you want to punt until you can look

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<v Speaker 2>into it a little bit more, I totally understand. But

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Salt Lake Tribune, our friends of the trib,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Reynolds, and I don't know Jessica Shrifles. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, so Jessica Shrifles, Kevin Reynolds. This was

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<v Speaker 2>posted ten minutes before I cracked this microphone today BYU

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback Jake Rhetz. Laugh has been accused of sexual assault

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<v Speaker 2>in a new civil suit. Okay, so he has not

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<v Speaker 2>been criminally charged. And this alleged incident happened in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three. Jake had just transferred from Riverside in California,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was very new on campus. And look, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>has due process, well everyone should, but let's leave that aside.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll kind of see how this plays out.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you had a chance to dig into this, and

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<v Speaker 2>if so, what are your thoughts on the news that

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<v Speaker 2>broke about hour and a half ago today?

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<v Speaker 3>This is literally the first time hearing about it. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I apologize to you and your staff. We've been in

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<v Speaker 3>a closed door meeting just talking about story ideas for

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<v Speaker 3>the upcoming college football season. So this was basically the

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<v Speaker 3>last thing I was expecting you to tell me. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to have to get into my best punt

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<v Speaker 3>formation and fire away.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, fair enough, fair enough? So sltrip dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>For our listeners that are just maybe hopping in your car,

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<v Speaker 1>It's all over the socials.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, ultimately, Chris, when it comes to a situation

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<v Speaker 2>like this, we'll move away from the specifics because you

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<v Speaker 2>are not familiar with it and talk about more of

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<v Speaker 2>a macro viewpoint. You know, b YU as a track

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<v Speaker 2>record of having zero tolerance for anything like this, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, again I'm being very careful here, Jake deserves

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<v Speaker 2>do process.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a criminal charge.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a civil suit, and trying to be analogous

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<v Speaker 2>with any other situation feels a little up to sp

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<v Speaker 2>The Brandon Davies situation come to mind. Brandon was not

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<v Speaker 2>charged with a crime, nor was he sued. But that

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<v Speaker 2>was a really good basketball team that had a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to maybe even win a national championship with for debt,

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<v Speaker 2>and they suspended him for the NCAA tournament. BYU is

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<v Speaker 2>a team that most people have ranked in their top

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<v Speaker 2>ten top fifteen range and thought to maybe have a

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<v Speaker 2>really really good chance to have an excellent season. Based

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<v Speaker 2>off of your understanding and knowledge of the way that

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<v Speaker 2>BYU works. I mean, this feels like something that they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to mess around with. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>due process is needed, so we'll give the space for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But your thoughts on what could potentially go down with

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<v Speaker 2>BYU and how they're going to kind of traverse this space.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously Brian Santiago is a new ad, has a

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a tricky, complex situation, and my guess would

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<v Speaker 3>be that the University, Brian Santiago, the Athletic Department, they're

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Spence, if the if the core or if

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<v Speaker 1>It was filed today according to the Trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So this is obviously very brand new information for

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<v Speaker 3>everybody if it's just been today, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>And honestly, I think that's the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 3>certain outcomes may come about, especially considering the sensitive nature

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<v Speaker 3>of it. But you know you're right. Historically BYU has

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have a great answer for you right now,

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're you're right, and I mean, the last thing

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to tweet, put the phones away, move on,

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<v Speaker 1>There's no comfortable way of doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me ask you this, so you reference the

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<v Speaker 2>conversations you're having in the rooms about the house v

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<v Speaker 2>it might be far away and continues to be far

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<v Speaker 2>legislation that has been passed to protect member institutions from

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<v Speaker 1>So, what are some of.

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<v Speaker 2>The conversations you guys are having about where we're at

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<v Speaker 2>or House B NC double A and what do you

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you basically took the answer right out of my mouth,

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<v Speaker 3>man Like. It is so ironic that every time they

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<v Speaker 3>take a few extra steps back. The fact that states

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<v Speaker 3>could potentially make the kind of the blanket result that

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<v Speaker 3>the state of college athletics, for college football, and dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with the NC double A as a whole. If and

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<v Speaker 3>when this settlement gets done, it's going to be extremely

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<v Speaker 3>important for everybody to get their ducks in a row. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>but the fact that these states, I think Tennessee, maybe Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 3>muddy the waters. It is very unfortunate because I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like we're so close to having something like tangible to

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<v Speaker 3>be like, Okay, twenty point five million dollars is going

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<v Speaker 3>to go to each member institution and they will be

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<v Speaker 3>able to basically delineate that whatever way they want to,

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<v Speaker 3>whichever program they want, and we can go from there.

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<v Speaker 3>But like I said, things aren't done easily in this realm,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think a lot of it honestly, Spence is

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<v Speaker 3>like I think people trying to capitalize on a murky situation. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 3>some people are probably trying to come off as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>pseudo want to be saviors, whether that's talking about individual

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<v Speaker 3>sooner this gets done or it is for everybody, because

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<v Speaker 3>once this gets done, then we can finally get onto

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<v Speaker 3>the bigger point of view, and that is, how is

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<v Speaker 3>this twenty point five million dollars going to be basically

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<v Speaker 3>chopped up and split up between each you know, major

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<v Speaker 3>division one university across the country, and then at that time,

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully for public institutions, we'll be able to get a

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<v Speaker 3>program by program breakdown and you'll get an actual, like

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<v Speaker 3>real life way to correctly decipher what these guys are

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<v Speaker 3>doing and why they're doing it. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>we haven't been able to get there yet is very frustrating,

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<v Speaker 3>and the fact that we could potentially be waiting even

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<v Speaker 2>So on May first, Bill Lee shout out Bill Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>who's the governor of Tennessee. He signed a six page

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<v Speaker 2>state bill bill number five thirty six, and Ross Dellinger

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<v Speaker 2>was able to get the details, and it paves the

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<v Speaker 2>way for the state schools at Tennessee, which of course

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<v Speaker 2>University of Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Memphis, et cetera, and their affiliated

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<v Speaker 2>collectives to break house settlement related rules and prevents college

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<v Speaker 2>sports quote New Enforcement entity from penalizing those schools. So

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<v Speaker 2>what the officials from the Power for Conferences have done

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<v Speaker 2>in response is they're circulating a draft of what's called

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<v Speaker 2>a groundbreaking and a first of its kind document intended

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<v Speaker 2>to prevent universities from using state laws to violate new

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement rules and essentially require schools to waive their right

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<v Speaker 2>to pursue legal challenges against the new enforcement entity, which

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<v Speaker 2>is known as the College Sports Commission. So you combine

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<v Speaker 2>that with what happened in February where power conferences simply

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<v Speaker 2>are seeking more control over NCAA championships, namely March Madness

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<v Speaker 2>men's and women's basketball tournaments, and obviously the CFP.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Feels like we are moving towards the shift where power conferences,

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<v Speaker 2>not the NCUBA, will control policing athlete compensation, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>not surprising anybody, Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we're moving into.

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<v Speaker 2>Now is the haves are now fighting amongst each other,

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<v Speaker 2>where some of the schools that exist in states that

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<v Speaker 2>are passing bills that literally say you do not have

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<v Speaker 2>to follow the guidelines that are given to you when

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<v Speaker 2>the House free NCUBA is actually settled. They're now being

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<v Speaker 2>warned by the P four institutions that you're not allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to use state rules to circumvent the actual rules that

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<v Speaker 2>are in place when the settlement comes down. Like somehow

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<v Speaker 2>they've managed to make it more convoluted. When it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like we were inching closer and closer to the finish line.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm in your city and I'm going to draw

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<v Speaker 3>the most perfect analogy possible severance.

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<v Speaker 1>I can feel it.

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<v Speaker 3>You knew it, You knew it. You We have to

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<v Speaker 3>we have to we have to figure out which conference

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<v Speaker 3>is Connor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know which conferences shive,

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<v Speaker 3>Which conference is the eldest boy? Like that's that is

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<v Speaker 3>what it feels like. And it makes sense because there

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<v Speaker 3>to try to grab power, and a lot of it

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<v Speaker 3>is grand standing and I get that. But again, until

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<v Speaker 3>there is a set, you know, firm, firm set of

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<v Speaker 3>rules in place, people are going to try to capitalize

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<v Speaker 3>on the quote unquote wild west of college athletics. So

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that the big boys are infighting now and

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<v Speaker 3>police the stuff makes a ton of sense because why

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't they Because they know that they can throw their

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<v Speaker 3>day of their brands are the things that shoulder the

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<v Speaker 3>load in college athletics. They know their brands are the

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<v Speaker 3>and meteorites and all of these things. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>reality of where we are right now, and it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to stay that way for a while until we get

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<v Speaker 3>some sort if we ever get that, if we ever

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<v Speaker 3>get to the point that somebody is going to draw

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<v Speaker 3>a line in the sand and say this is how

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<v Speaker 3>you operate within the confine of the rules. Otherwise these

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm gonna try to do this. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>Are we Are we allowed to include wom's gams in

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation or does it have to be the kids?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's got to be the Core four.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, because Shiv is married to Tom, they're the SEC.

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<v Speaker 2>They have the power. I'm going to say Logan Roy

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<v Speaker 2>is Mark Emerate no longer with us. Let's see here,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say Connor Roy is.

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<v Speaker 1>The PAC twelve. Okay, I'm gonna say he's the PAC twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Just hanging out.

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<v Speaker 3>How dare you you wrote off? You wrote off this

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<v Speaker 3>presidential campaign before it even started.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, we'll make uh, We're gonna make Kendall the

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<v Speaker 2>big ten because you know, the oldest boy, you cannot

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<v Speaker 2>deny the power. But ultimately he's not the SEC. So

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna give that to Shiv. We'll make let's see, we'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Make Roman is the Big twelve is a great fit.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go Roman Big twelve. Okay, and let's see that leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll make cousin Greg the ACC. No one really cares

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<v Speaker 2>about him with they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck great, great, great move. I mean, dude, I don't know, man.

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<v Speaker 3>This is sports talk radio, Edita Pecks. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 3>being funny either. This is and I'm on the fifteenth floor.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the city is alive. There's an ambulance driving

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<v Speaker 3>right by right now, like this is as real as

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<v Speaker 3>a kids.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to get a little succession soundtrack. We need

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<v Speaker 2>the piano in the background. We need get we need

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<v Speaker 2>to get that done. Okay, So there we go. So

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<v Speaker 2>Roman's the Big twelve, Shiv is the SEC. We're giving

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<v Speaker 2>Kendall the Big ten. We're given. We're giving conn Or

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<v Speaker 2>the Pac twelve, and we'll make cousin Greg the ACC.

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<v Speaker 2>And again Logan is Mark Emert because he's dead and

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>You said it, not me.

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<v Speaker 1>That all works.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh goodness, gracious, all right, let's move over to what

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<v Speaker 2>are we doing? What is going on today? I'm no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's wonderful, it's great, it's great. All right, let's move

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<v Speaker 2>over here. So I'm sure you guys discussed this today,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm honestly conflicted because you cannot debate that the

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<v Speaker 2>best football is not played in the Big ten of

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<v Speaker 2>the SEC consistently. It does not mean that there couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be a Clemson or a Florida State, or a Utah

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<v Speaker 2>or a Texas Tech or whatever that rises up, and

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<v Speaker 2>it belongs in the ranks of the College Football League

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<v Speaker 2>from time to time. But the expanded sixteen team CFP

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<v Speaker 2>proposal includes four auto bids four SHIV, four auto bids

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<v Speaker 2>for Kendall, two auto bids for Roman, two auto bids

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<v Speaker 2>for cousin Greg, one auto bid for our guy Connor Roy,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Group of six. So again, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>proposal that gives half of the sixteen team auto bids.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how many people are like, what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>are they talking about? This is a proposal to give

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen like half of the sixteen auto bids to the

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<v Speaker 2>Big ten of the SEC, two auto bids to the

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<v Speaker 2>Big twelve, and the ACC one auto bid to the

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<v Speaker 2>Group of six, and then three at large bids and

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<v Speaker 2>then ultimately that's how you land on the number sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently there's there's a lot of pushback on this.

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<v Speaker 2>But again I'm conflicted because at some point there's the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about the Big ten and the SEC taking their

426
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<v Speaker 2>ball and doing.

427
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<v Speaker 1>Their own thing. Anyway, how do you think this plays out?

428
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<v Speaker 2>What are some of the conversational pieces you guys are

429
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<v Speaker 2>having about the proposal on the table to expand this

430
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<v Speaker 2>thing to sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think what we've talked about and what everybody

432
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<v Speaker 3>realizes is that there may never be an endpoint to

433
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<v Speaker 3>this thing. I think it could be a moving target.

434
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<v Speaker 3>It could be twelve, it could be fourteen, it could

435
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<v Speaker 3>be sixteen, depending on the success each year, depending on

436
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<v Speaker 3>the amount of money they make with media rights deals

437
00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:08.000
<v Speaker 3>and on campus home games. You never know, man, Like,

438
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<v Speaker 3>never in any sense of reality did we think one

439
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<v Speaker 3>day we would leave the BCS system behind for you know,

440
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<v Speaker 3>a four team playoff. And never in you know, nobody

441
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<v Speaker 3>in their right mind ever thought it would go to twelve,

442
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<v Speaker 3>And here we are already talking about it expanding again. Don't.

443
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<v Speaker 3>I don't personally have an issue with the Big ten

444
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<v Speaker 3>and the SEC getting the bulk of the auto bids

445
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<v Speaker 3>mainly because they feature the best teams in the country.

446
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<v Speaker 3>And if you're talking about it, logically, even the most

447
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<v Speaker 3>casual of fans want to tune in to watch potentially

448
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<v Speaker 3>dominant teams that they don't really want to root for. Now,

449
00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:50.680
<v Speaker 3>that isn't great for a market like ours, where we

450
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<v Speaker 3>have a couple of Cinderellas who want to dance once

451
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<v Speaker 3>every decade or so. But if you think about it,

452
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<v Speaker 3>when was the last time a non on Big ten

453
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<v Speaker 3>or SEC team won a national title? And we can

454
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<v Speaker 3>take Clemson that like Clemson is the answer, but like,

455
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<v Speaker 3>when was the last time a non Big Ten, non SEC,

456
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<v Speaker 3>non Clemson team won a national title? I honestly couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>even tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's what makes it complex, because we're in

459
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<v Speaker 2>Big twelve countries, so we can yell as loud as

460
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<v Speaker 2>we possibly can, as we can yell as loud as

461
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<v Speaker 2>we want to, but it doesn't change the fact that

462
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<v Speaker 2>the majority of the blue bloods in college football exists

463
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<v Speaker 2>in the Big ten and in the SEC.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it feel like to you that we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Still moving into a world where college football win the

466
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<v Speaker 2>dust settles will look a lot like pro football, or

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<v Speaker 2>to your point, will this just be an ever living

468
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<v Speaker 2>organism that changes kind of year by year.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe it's going to be the latter. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that they've the powers that be have been

471
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<v Speaker 3>proven year in and year out that they can change the game,

472
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<v Speaker 3>they can move the goalpost, they can do it differently

473
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<v Speaker 3>and still make more money. It behooves them to be

474
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<v Speaker 3>able to maintain that flexibility rather than kind of putting

475
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<v Speaker 3>themselves in a box so I could be proven wrong

476
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<v Speaker 3>and it eventually one day they could be, you know,

477
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<v Speaker 3>deciding to do that super league model that has been

478
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<v Speaker 3>bandied about for a long time. But I think at

479
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<v Speaker 3>least in the very near future, it doesn't really benefit

480
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<v Speaker 3>them to constrain themselves that way because they've been proven

481
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<v Speaker 3>time to time again that they can make more money

482
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<v Speaker 3>even though changes can come.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Is the New York Times building somewhere where you find

484
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<v Speaker 2>that it's a nice safe space where you don't have

485
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<v Speaker 2>to pretend that you like Hamilton.

486
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I find it a safe space to pretend that

487
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<v Speaker 3>I don't like college football, because until people figure that out,

488
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<v Speaker 3>I have the ruises up. Man.

489
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<v Speaker 1>See, the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with these interviews is now I'm just thinking

491
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<v Speaker 2>about succession quotes that are just bouncing around in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Chris, before we set you loose, we'll let

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<v Speaker 2>you get back to what you have going on. I

494
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<v Speaker 2>still can't believe this conversation with the direction it did,

495
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<v Speaker 2>but you know, that's what makes it fun. I'm quite

496
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<v Speaker 2>sure you did not have a chance to listen to

497
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<v Speaker 2>the gaffer himself, Pablo Maschuni on the program yesterday.

498
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I was on a Delta flight to JFK, so apologies,

499
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<v Speaker 3>I was not able to.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you watch anything on the plane? How did you

501
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<v Speaker 2>How did you pass the five hour flight?

502
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<v Speaker 3>I took a little bit of a fake nap, closed

503
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<v Speaker 3>my eyes for about an hour, and then watched a film.

504
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<v Speaker 1>Would you share the care? Would you care to share

505
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<v Speaker 1>which film you watch?

506
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<v Speaker 3>It's called The Bike Riders. It's a film with with

507
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<v Speaker 3>Tom Hardy and a couple other very handsome looking gentlemen.

508
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<v Speaker 3>It's about a motorcycle club in Chicago in the sixties.

509
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<v Speaker 3>I enjoyed it b plus interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Pablo, and this took three or four different follow

512
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<v Speaker 2>up questions where I definitely was blaboring the point because

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<v Speaker 2>the fact of the matter, Chris, is this like, once

514
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<v Speaker 2>upon a time in MLS, you didn't have to be

515
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<v Speaker 2>labored to point about economic confusion in your club. You

516
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.759
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to spend twenty thirty forty million whatever it is.

517
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<v Speaker 2>Hence two thousand and nine our guys lift the trophy

518
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<v Speaker 2>beating David Beckham and Landon Donovan, you know, with that

519
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:17.400
<v Speaker 2>club with Javier and Kyle and Nicky in the whole group. Well,

520
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<v Speaker 2>MLS is not on the level of the NBA or

521
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<v Speaker 2>the NFL, but it's grown to the point where it's

522
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<v Speaker 2>no longer even an option to build a club without

523
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<v Speaker 2>economic confusion. If you want to build a winner, and

524
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<v Speaker 2>if you want to be competitive, if you want to

525
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<v Speaker 2>be unserious about competing and simply develop young players and

526
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>then move them on for a premium so you can

527
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>satisfy your investors, you can do that. But that's such

528
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 2>an unserious approach, and that is what we've kind of

529
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<v Speaker 2>experienced over the past little bit, and I think it's

530
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<v Speaker 2>kind a lot of people off guard. Pablo yesterday dropped

531
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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a bomb on the program. It's a

532
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<v Speaker 2>little breaking news, accidental journalism that he was told this

533
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<v Speaker 2>week by the New ownership group that they are no

534
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<v Speaker 2>longer interested in selling any of their young players, namely

535
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<v Speaker 2>Diego Luna, who rumors flying that he might be gone

536
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<v Speaker 2>during the summer transfer Windo. Now, look if a La

537
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<v Speaker 2>Liga club or Bundesliga or EPL or whatever, if any

538
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<v Speaker 2>club in Europe calls Kurt Schmidt and says we will

539
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<v Speaker 2>pay you twenty five or thirty million dollars for Diego Luna,

540
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<v Speaker 2>I get it. But what do you make of what

541
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<v Speaker 2>I perceive to be a really massive change of direction

542
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.599
<v Speaker 2>and ethos by the Miller family now that they've taken

543
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.759
<v Speaker 2>taken over in forming Pablo in the front office. They're

544
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 2>not interested in this ethos of developing as a you know,

545
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:36.039
<v Speaker 2>developing players as a club and then moving them on.

546
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<v Speaker 1>They want to build something for the long haul.

547
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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is a multi layered conversation, and if we

548
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<v Speaker 3>take Diego as the prime example, it kind of makes

549
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<v Speaker 3>sense because if you haven't had that twenty to thirty

550
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 3>million dollar offer yet, unless he goes on to score

551
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:03.519
<v Speaker 3>twenty goals and have fifteen assists, maybe you're gonna get

552
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.480
<v Speaker 3>an offer from Aliga at Mcki's team in the ten

553
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:10.200
<v Speaker 3>to fifteen million dollar range. But is Diego Luna worth

554
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 3>that much to you as a club? I would argue yes,

555
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.039
<v Speaker 3>especially considering where you are with the state of the

556
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 3>franchise and the roster as a whole. There are some

557
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.920
<v Speaker 3>decent bones beyond Diego Luna. I know, you know a

558
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<v Speaker 3>Mecca and Ellie is a potential MLS you know, All

559
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:35.200
<v Speaker 3>eleven caliber player, and there are some nice bit pieces,

560
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:39.039
<v Speaker 3>but Diego Luna is a pretty damn good starting off point.

561
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<v Speaker 3>If you want to say, like, this is the guy

562
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.119
<v Speaker 3>we want to build our team around. And maybe I'm

563
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<v Speaker 3>gonna get lazy here and I'm going to do the

564
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.839
<v Speaker 3>sports radio thing and say, like, does it make sense

565
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.480
<v Speaker 3>to compare having a Diego Luna to a Donovan Mitchell

566
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.759
<v Speaker 3>type figure perhaps in the MLS RSL soccer realm. I

567
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.519
<v Speaker 3>don't think it's that far off. If you talk about

568
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:05.119
<v Speaker 3>a young, dynamic, very you know, tantalizing player that has

569
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<v Speaker 3>captivated the heart and soul of your fan base, that

570
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 3>has been through the ringer in the last five years,

571
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 3>if he wants to stay and you can pay him

572
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 3>the wages that he will eventually deserve if his star

573
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.200
<v Speaker 3>continues to climb, then it makes sense to build around him.

574
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.799
<v Speaker 3>Now their problem isn't you know, the potentially ditching that ethos.

575
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.240
<v Speaker 3>Their problem is is they have to figure out that

576
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.880
<v Speaker 3>the new ethos is going out and spending a lot

577
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:38.039
<v Speaker 3>of money, more money than RSL historically ever has. And

578
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.640
<v Speaker 3>I know last year they sold Andra Skomas for reported

579
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.759
<v Speaker 3>twelve to fourteen million and the Barajas Kid went to

580
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 3>achieve us for like four to five. But really, if

581
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 3>you think about it, in the annals of RSL history,

582
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.640
<v Speaker 3>those are really kind of the two big transfers. RSEL

583
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:59.119
<v Speaker 3>hasn't really developed any other players, at least especially out

584
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 3>of their academy system, that have gone on to become

585
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 3>big time purchases from clubs overseas or I'm a continent.

586
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 3>So great on you on you know, getting Pablo to

587
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:17.119
<v Speaker 3>divulge some accidental journalism. I know that's your your secret superpower,

588
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 3>but it's listen, man, this summer is going to be

589
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:25.480
<v Speaker 3>big and they regardless, I think RFL is kind of

590
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 3>firmly out of the playoff spot. I think they've already

591
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 3>lost more games so far this year than they have

592
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 3>than they did in the entirety of twenty twenty four.

593
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>But if if the Millers say they want to hold

594
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 3>onto players and not sell them. That's great, but you

595
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 3>have to be willing to spend a whole lot of

596
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.640
<v Speaker 3>money to bring in players as good or better than

597
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Diago Luna. If you want to prove to your fan

598
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 3>base you're serious about winning. There it is.

599
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Had to do it, had to do it. I really

600
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.079
<v Speaker 2>don't know what's my favorite? Which one is? My favorite?

601
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Ship?

602
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Is the SEC rules? If I'm on yuh? Roman is

603
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 2>the Big twelve is incredible? But you know Connor is

604
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>the Pac twelve seems to work? Yeah, do you have

605
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:08.839
<v Speaker 2>a favorite? Before I set you this?

606
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.799
<v Speaker 3>Connor is the pack full? For sure? An independent you know,

607
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 3>living off the grid on the West coast, you know

608
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Connor living in that New Mexico you know mansion you

609
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.759
<v Speaker 3>know north of Santa Fe. It just plays that hits

610
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:22.359
<v Speaker 3>for me the most.

611
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Give me a Nixon six k.

612
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Are are we are? We are? We are? We worried

613
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:33.160
<v Speaker 3>about what Tyres Haliburton and Miles Turner can do in

614
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:34.759
<v Speaker 3>the pick and roll? Are we worried about?

615
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Look at you? Look at you? We are not? But

616
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.599
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate the ball breakdown? All right?

617
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<v Speaker 2>Let me know if you need any restaurant Rex. I'm

618
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.160
<v Speaker 2>sure you're well taken care of, save travels. Thanks for

619
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the time, Bud, appreciate you. Chris com Roddie from The

620
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<v Speaker 2>Athletic Got Lou says it always does
