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Speaker 2: George Brockler filling in for Dan, the man Caplis who's
Speaker 2: in a courtroom right now crushing it on behalf of
Speaker 2: his client in front of a jury somewhere. This whole week,
Speaker 2: We've got a bunch of guests filling in. I'm just
Speaker 2: thankful to go first so that i don't have to
Speaker 2: be measured against the people that came before me. Dev
Speaker 2: Flora's coming in tomorrow with or without a point zero
Speaker 2: eight blood alcohol level. No one knows at this point.
Speaker 2: That's a joke. And then of course there's going to
Speaker 2: be hiding and all that's coming in here. I understand
Speaker 2: that she and Chrissy Burton Brown are going to do
Speaker 2: a show together. Oh yeah, and they're coming in as furries.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true at all. We've had
Speaker 2: some great texts here, and you can keep the text
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Speaker 2: that's how it gets here. Great questions, and I promised
Speaker 2: to get to these, but we've got to take somebody
Speaker 2: super awesome right now. Now Listen, if you were paying
Speaker 2: any attention at all to what was starting to take
Speaker 2: place on the Denver media, they were trying to catch
Speaker 2: up to the Colorado Springs media last week, which was
Speaker 2: trying to catch up with something that had been building
Speaker 2: in that is this. The current mayor's a guy named
Speaker 2: Yemi Mobilati. He won an election, a hotly contested election
Speaker 2: against a guy named Wayne Williams, back in May of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Now, in the final couple weeks leading
Speaker 2: up to that election, there was arguably a race based
Speaker 2: event that took place. Somebody burned across in front of
Speaker 2: a Yemy sign. There was a racial epithet put on
Speaker 2: the Yemi sign and it became a bit of a
Speaker 2: talking point. Well, of course, Colorado Springs PD and the
Speaker 2: FBI get involved. Fast forward, good grief, like eighteen months
Speaker 2: and in November three people got indicted, at least two
Speaker 2: of them black folks, and that matters. I'd say African American,
Speaker 2: but I don't know where they're from. That matters because
Speaker 2: it turns out that this was an effort by them
Speaker 2: to help Yemy get elected. In the fact, there had
Speaker 2: been some evidence of communications that had taken place between
Speaker 2: the main bad guy, who's a convicted killer by the way,
Speaker 2: an assaulter of police officers, and the mayor. And then
Speaker 2: there was a story that came out on the Daily
Speaker 2: Wire from an unnamed FBI official that accused Yemy Mobilatti
Speaker 2: of not only communicating with this person, but coming in
Speaker 2: and lying to the FBI about it. Now, there had
Speaker 2: been a weird series of non statement statements made by
Speaker 2: people not Yemy over the past couple few weeks. I
Speaker 2: wrote a column about it, saying, man, the mayor owes
Speaker 2: some explanation, and sure enough lacks. Last week, I think
Speaker 2: it was a Thursday or Friday, he fires up a
Speaker 2: little Facebook live action and in what I would describe
Speaker 2: as akin to almost a hostage video of sorts, he
Speaker 2: makes a series of statements and here's one of them.
Speaker 2: I double clicked on it. Is it doing so?
Speaker 3: Space bar oh Unequivocally, I fully and truthfully cooperated throughout
Speaker 3: this investigation. I had no knowledge, warning, or involvement in
Speaker 3: this crime.
Speaker 2: I did not lie to the FBI.
Speaker 3: I voluntarily provided all requested communication without a subpoena, and
Speaker 3: I received and will be releasing a document from the
Speaker 3: Department of Justice that reads that I was quote identified
Speaker 3: by law enforcement as a victim all potential victim during
Speaker 3: the investigation of the criminal case end of quote.
Speaker 2: With his reaction to that and further conversation. Is a friend.
Speaker 2: He's a big man. If you've never seen him, he's
Speaker 2: a big guy. I could play for the Nuggets, at
Speaker 2: least at a younger age. He's the guy that ran
Speaker 2: against Yemmy back in twenty twenty three. Former Secretary of State,
Speaker 2: former County Commissioner Wayne Williams. Wayne, thanks for joining.
Speaker 4: Us, George, thanks for having me on. And despite my
Speaker 4: letter in basketball from Warren County High School, the Nuggets
Speaker 4: have never contacted me. So let me just dispelled that rumor.
Speaker 4: At least there are.
Speaker 2: Times this season where I thought you could have been
Speaker 2: of some value. Yeah, we missed Aaron Gordon. I thought
Speaker 2: maybe we put in the ww's in there, the WW
Speaker 2: get him in there, get it going. Wayne, you probably
Speaker 2: watched this entire thing, and we have several clips that
Speaker 2: are here. Give me your reaction, So I.
Speaker 4: Think one of the let me react a series of things.
Speaker 4: So first when it happened, was shocked, mortified, and I
Speaker 4: knew that my campaign had nothing to do with it,
Speaker 4: and was hopeful that, you know, people would focus on
Speaker 4: the actual issues and instead, what they did manage to
Speaker 4: do is distract from the campaigns in a negative way.
Speaker 4: And of course the information that it came out from
Speaker 4: someone else's supporters, not mine, doesn't take place until the
Speaker 4: way after the election occurs. It is absolutely wrong to
Speaker 4: do things like this and predict, and I'm glad that
Speaker 4: ultimately it was investigated. The curious thing for me, George,
Speaker 4: I don't know how you know, you've been more on
Speaker 4: the criminal prosecution side. I've never been contacted by the
Speaker 4: FBI or the Department of Justice, even though i was
Speaker 4: the intended victim of the crime, and I've never gotten
Speaker 4: a letter. But having said that, you know, when the
Speaker 4: story appeared in the Daily Wire, a number of folks
Speaker 4: contacted me.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 4: My response was first on the indictment that was there,
Speaker 4: that this was you know, this is what law enforcement
Speaker 4: was supposed to do. So I committed those involved. When
Speaker 4: the report occurred from the Daily Wire, Ultimately, after waiting
Speaker 4: to see how it responded to, I contacted Merimobolatti and
Speaker 4: encouraged him to respond to the allegation, and I was
Speaker 4: pleased that eventually he did. You know, as you know,
Speaker 4: lawyers often tell people don't say anything. But there's a
Speaker 4: different role when you were in public office, and so
Speaker 4: your ability to say, well, the lawyers say not to
Speaker 4: say anything isn't doesn't carry the day in the way
Speaker 4: that it does for a private citizen.
Speaker 2: So well, let's talk about that. We're talking with Wayne Williams.
Speaker 2: He was a candidate for Colorado Springs mayor against Yummy.
Speaker 2: And let's sort of drug into this a couple things. One,
Speaker 2: you're right, if anybody was a victim of this, an
Speaker 2: intended victim, it was you and your campaign. And I
Speaker 2: just found it bizarre when Mayor Mobilatti takes to whatever
Speaker 2: he took to say I'm a victim of a hate crime.
Speaker 2: One what hate crime because it wasn't a real crime.
Speaker 2: In fact, you probably remember this early on back in May,
Speaker 2: when he's asked about this, he throws out at the
Speaker 2: time and nothing of a statement, says, we don't even
Speaker 2: know if this is a hoax, and I'm like, that
Speaker 2: hits a little close to home for a guy who's
Speaker 2: got contact with the dudes that ultimately pulled off this hoax.
Speaker 2: But the other one is when you said he ultimately
Speaker 2: comes forward and we're very pleased with that, and I
Speaker 2: give him credit for finally coming forward, but it's that
Speaker 2: ultimately part and your explanation that hey, this was on
Speaker 2: the advice of council. I don't buy it. And here's
Speaker 2: why I don't buy it. The guy did have statements
Speaker 2: released about this case. It's just he didn't address this
Speaker 2: issue of lying to the FBI right like. He comes
Speaker 2: out out and says I fully cooperated and this was
Speaker 2: a horrible thing. So he is commenting on the case,
Speaker 2: it just takes him weeks to get to the point
Speaker 2: of saying I did not lie. You're an attorney, Wayne,
Speaker 2: and I get you don't do what I do. But
Speaker 2: you're an attorney. In what universe is saying to your client,
Speaker 2: do not deny the thing you're being accused of publicly.
Speaker 2: You can talk about the case, but don't deny it.
Speaker 2: Where does that make sense?
Speaker 4: I don't think it does, particularly for a public official.
Speaker 4: And that's why my encouragement was that he addressed the
Speaker 4: issue squarely, which, as you pointed out, he eventually did.
Speaker 4: I wish you'd done it sooner. I think it would
Speaker 4: have dispelled the story more quickly. And at this point
Speaker 4: what we have is an unsourced or unnamed accusation and
Speaker 4: a named denial, and the hearsay evidence loses in my book. Now,
Speaker 4: if things were different, or if things become different later,
Speaker 4: that's a different story. But for now, the marriage done
Speaker 4: what he should have done initially, which is to address
Speaker 4: the issue and to do it unequivocably. He didn't say
Speaker 4: I was mostly truthful or something else like that. He
Speaker 4: said he did not lie, He communicated truthfully, and he
Speaker 4: didn't know in advance.
Speaker 5: Of what was going on.
Speaker 4: I remember the exact wording, and so for me, right
Speaker 4: this was the necessary responses should have taken place earlier,
Speaker 4: and he's fairly new to public office and so doesn't always.
Speaker 4: Perhaps you may not have had that conversation with counsel
Speaker 4: to say, hey, I need to be forthcoming. I can't
Speaker 4: just say no comment, or I can't just say I cooperated.
Speaker 4: And I of course don't know what was said was
Speaker 4: he and council, but That's why I reached out to
Speaker 4: him and I did it. I sent a text to
Speaker 4: him first before I sent it out, because I always
Speaker 4: think it's a little disingenuous one of public when someone
Speaker 4: says I am calling on so and so to do this,
Speaker 4: and you're going, well, did you actually call it? Did
Speaker 4: you actually come?
Speaker 2: And you did and you did it?
Speaker 6: Because I thought.
Speaker 4: That's the right way to approach it.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this last question before I know.
Speaker 2: You got to get back to your life. There's a pot,
Speaker 2: there's a chance here to do something called a Foyer
Speaker 2: Request Freedom of Information Act. It is super tough on
Speaker 2: a case that involves a guy who's considered a third party,
Speaker 2: a non suspect or non defendant, and that's the mayor
Speaker 2: right now, but he could request the reports and the
Speaker 2: statements that he made and make them public under FOYA.
Speaker 2: He has the ability to do that because he's that guy.
Speaker 2: Do you think you should?
Speaker 4: You know, I would have to look at it more, George,
Speaker 4: because I'm not sure how all of that works in
Speaker 4: the midst of a criminal investigation. Because I definitely want
Speaker 4: these three individuals, all of one of them already been
Speaker 4: convicted of murder, but to the extent that a jury
Speaker 4: finds them guilty. I want to make sure I don't
Speaker 4: do anything to jeopardize that prosecution, So i'd have to.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're the prosecutor, you're the expert.
Speaker 5: Is that.
Speaker 4: Is that something that could impair an investigation? And I
Speaker 4: ask you that because I don't know. That's not my
Speaker 4: area of law.
Speaker 2: It sounds like Wayne Williams is calling upon Yemmy to
Speaker 2: do a Floyer request release, So so I echo your sentiments.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. That is not at all what Wayne said.
Speaker 2: It was much more measured than that. But when we
Speaker 2: come back, that's how I'm going to announce it. Wayne
Speaker 2: William's former Secretary of State, County commissioner, candidate for mayor
Speaker 2: and all around good guy man. Thanks for taking time
Speaker 2: out of your data chat with us, George.
Speaker 4: Thanks and thanks for for also what you said publicly
Speaker 4: early on too, because I think coming from someone with
Speaker 4: your prosecutorial expertise, and the people of the new Judicial
Speaker 4: District are going to start out with an awesome DA
Speaker 4: to begin with, and let's just hope they continue from there.
Speaker 2: Wayne, thank you for that, and thanks for leaving open
Speaker 2: the door that I'll end poorly, but thank you for
Speaker 2: that all. Wayne Williams right here with George Brockler. Listen,
Speaker 2: do me a favorite call in? What did you hear that?
Speaker 2: We got some more clips to play of yummy and
Speaker 2: we'll do it. Do you believe him? Do you think
Speaker 2: that there's more ode here? Or was this it? You're satisfied?
Speaker 7: Move on?
Speaker 2: Nothing to see here? Text at five seven, seven three
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Speaker 2: two five five. George Brockler filling in for Dan Caple's
Speaker 2: on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 7: And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2: George Rogler back in for the big man. Dan Kaplis
Speaker 2: in trial right now doing the good work on behalf
Speaker 2: of his client. My thanks to Wayne Williams, former Secretary
Speaker 2: of State and candidate for mayor of Colorado Springs. He
Speaker 2: lost out to Yemi Mobilati. He was the kind of
Speaker 2: the person that we were talking about here for this
Speaker 2: event that I don't want to have to describe again,
Speaker 2: but I just want to say that the description of
Speaker 2: what he gave is the basis for why he delayed
Speaker 2: in coming forward and saying I did not lie a
Speaker 2: couple things, and I really love that Wayne took time
Speaker 2: out of his day to talk to us. At one
Speaker 2: point in this clip that I played the mayor where
Speaker 2: he says, I have an official document from the Department
Speaker 2: of Justice, he does. It is a form letter that
Speaker 2: is sent out to every potential victim in a case
Speaker 2: in which they're not really sure what's going on. It
Speaker 2: is sent out like that. He held it up on
Speaker 2: this Facebook live thing to have people take a look
Speaker 2: at it. And it doesn't prove a thing. It's not
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice declaring him to be a victim.
Speaker 2: It's not him actually being a victim. But as I
Speaker 2: watched this, and I watched it twice because I wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure I heard all this stuff, I do
Speaker 2: not understand the explanation. The explanation for the delay was well,
Speaker 2: I had to wait to speak with my attorney and
Speaker 2: I had to hear back from the US Attorney's office.
Speaker 2: That just can't be true. It can't be true because
Speaker 2: he already had comments about the allegations and the case
Speaker 2: in the public stream from his deputy chief of staff
Speaker 2: and from some other thing that got put out through
Speaker 2: social media or something where he talked about the fact
Speaker 2: that he fully cooperated. What's the difference between I fully
Speaker 2: cooperated and I didn't lie to the FBI? One is
Speaker 2: very specific, and that's the denial we needed, and I
Speaker 2: think we were entitled to. But if you're going to
Speaker 2: comment on I fully cooperated, why couldn't you say that?
Speaker 2: So I don't buy it. I don't buy it. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing, and this is the pressure that we
Speaker 2: should bring to bear on the mayor of the second
Speaker 2: largest city in the state of Colorado, and that is
Speaker 2: given your weird, tortured delay in coming forward with a
Speaker 2: denial that anybody would have made. I'm talking me too.
Speaker 2: I mean, if someone said, hey, Brockler words, you lied
Speaker 2: to the FBI, I would have said, there's no chance
Speaker 2: I lied to the FBI. And the only way I
Speaker 2: don't make that statement is if I'm worried that someone's
Speaker 2: going to find out that I lied to the FBI.
Speaker 2: So now the question is how do we get to
Speaker 2: the truth of it. Now I can take the mayor
Speaker 2: at his word, but given how weird and protracted this is,
Speaker 2: he has an arrow in his quiver, and that's called FOYA,
Speaker 2: and he can make a request on the FBI because
Speaker 2: he is this third party person. You and I could
Speaker 2: make a request, probably going to end up in a
Speaker 2: dumpster somewhere, right, but he could make a request and
Speaker 2: ask for the inn, even if they had to redact
Speaker 2: it out as to some other people, we could at
Speaker 2: least see what communications he had. We could at least
Speaker 2: see from that whether or not. In response to the
Speaker 2: question did you have contact with this guy? He was honest.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he do that? It's just weird. And by
Speaker 2: the way, Facebook Live, give me a break man, call
Speaker 2: a press conference. Look people dead in the eye, including
Speaker 2: the reporters, and say now, question me, ask me questions.
Speaker 2: When you're on Facebook Live. You ain't taken any questions.
Speaker 2: He didn't even take like text in questions or any
Speaker 2: of the happy bubbles that pop up, the little emojis.
Speaker 2: None of that guy made the quick hostage to video.
Speaker 2: It was a denial and then he cut loose. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna thank him for it, and I appreciate him
Speaker 2: coming for I'm not going to thank him for that.
Speaker 2: Face the media, Where is your sit down interview with
Speaker 2: Kyle Clark? Speaking of that, I'm pretty sure it was
Speaker 2: Jenna Griswold's PR team that advised, don't actually deny it,
Speaker 2: try to hide that information from the public, like that's
Speaker 2: in the playbook these days. Final thing, I want to
Speaker 2: tell you a little bit of a breaking news. I
Speaker 2: think it's a little bit of a breaking news, but
Speaker 2: it's a big deal. It also touches on New York
Speaker 2: because you know what they do in New York. Later
Speaker 2: on something called the Heisman Trophy Award. Travis Hunter is
Speaker 2: officially one of three finalists that's going to go there. Disappointingly,
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders did not make it. I gotta believe he
Speaker 2: was number four. I'm making that up. But the other
Speaker 2: two are cam Ward from Miami, yan Fest and Ashton.
Speaker 2: I think it's based on my discussion with Ryan off
Speaker 2: Air and and he's giving me the squint Ashton, Johnty
Speaker 2: good Night from Boise State running back Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: Oregon quarterback Dylan Gabriel as well. But I think it's
Speaker 2: got to be it's got to be our buddy Hunter. Listen,
Speaker 2: when we come back, we're going to be joined by
Speaker 2: Miranda Devine. Check for the accent. She is from the
Speaker 2: deepest rurallest part of Mississippi. You'll hear it in her
Speaker 2: voice next year. George Broclare on The Dan Kaplass Show.
Speaker 7: You're listening to The Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Georg Brocker back in for the Dan Capliss. So much
Speaker 2: going on in the news, it's kind of hard to
Speaker 2: stay on top of it. We're going to try to
Speaker 2: actually get out in front of it. As you may recall,
Speaker 2: a guy named Joe Biden, who was well he's the
Speaker 2: President of the United States at the moment, granted a
Speaker 2: pardon to his son, and there was a lot of
Speaker 2: turmoil and gnashing of teeth over that, and rightly so,
Speaker 2: I've got a piece in the Denver in Colorado Springs
Speaker 2: Gazette right now talking about that. But then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden engendered a bunch of other questions about, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's just the pardon for now, what
Speaker 2: could possibly come next. I am thrilled to get to
Speaker 2: talk to her live on the phone. You don't need
Speaker 2: a Fifth Amendment for this, Miranda advisement. It's Miranda Devine.
Speaker 2: She has two big books, The Laptop from Hell, which
Speaker 2: you know, and then the follow on the big guy.
Speaker 2: This is right up her ally. She seems to know
Speaker 2: everything about the Bidens, probably at about the same time
Speaker 2: they do. Miranda Devine, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6: Oh thanks for having me, George. Good to do with you.
Speaker 2: Good to have you on. I told people before you
Speaker 2: got on you probably didn't hear this that, based on
Speaker 2: the accent, I thought you hailed from the most rural
Speaker 2: parts of Mississippi.
Speaker 5: True, you're a.
Speaker 6: Queen's New York. That's a queen's excent.
Speaker 2: Perfect. Listen, as you follow this, you've seen the same
Speaker 2: things I had, but you just have better access to
Speaker 2: information than anybody else out there. What is the potential
Speaker 2: here that this guy, and by this guy, I mean
Speaker 2: the President is going to exercise his very broad pardon
Speaker 2: powers to try to grab up a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: other people who could end up being prosecuted under a
Speaker 2: Pambondi Department of Justice.
Speaker 6: Well, I think just judging from his past conduct and
Speaker 6: then his pardoning of his son Hunter and giving him
Speaker 6: this extraordinary, unprecedented eleven year pardon for any crimes that
Speaker 6: he may have committed at any time, you know, during
Speaker 6: those eleven years, I think we can expect that he's
Speaker 6: going to be doing much more of that to protect
Speaker 6: the family, and so definitely Jim Biden, his brother, who
Speaker 6: has been under investigation of his own separate from Hunter.
Speaker 6: Jim Biden was also involved with Hunter in a lot
Speaker 6: of the China grift, so it would make sense since
Speaker 6: Joe Biden wants to hide his own involvement in the
Speaker 6: family influenced peddling scheme. Hence Hunter's broad ranging long pardon.
Speaker 6: I think we'll see a similar results for Jim Biden
Speaker 6: possibly other family members, because you know, the Republicans in
Speaker 6: the House who were investigating the I's had something like
Speaker 6: a dozen different family members who had received money from
Speaker 6: China and Russia and Ukraine. Hunter had sort of through cutouts,
Speaker 6: got it funneled through to various family members. So along
Speaker 6: with that, we also hear that the White House has
Speaker 6: been working on having other broad ranging presidential pardons for
Speaker 6: people who haven't been indicted for anything, and that includes
Speaker 6: Anthony Fauci and Adam Schiff, the Russia Gate hoaxer, General
Speaker 6: Mark Millie, Ali, Alexander majorcus So. I think Jack Smith
Speaker 6: has been mentioned as well, So anybody who might have
Speaker 6: come in conflict with Donald Trump who is responsible for
Speaker 6: the law fare or the Russia hoax or any of
Speaker 6: the other monstrosities that occurred against him. I think he's
Speaker 6: feeling guilty because you only accept a pardon if you're guilty,
Speaker 6: and is an admission of guilt. So it will, I think,
Speaker 6: be rash and stupid of them. It just gives Donald
Speaker 6: Trump a least a rumdoers.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Miranda Divine, author of the Laptop from
Speaker 2: Hell and the Big Guy, as well as someone who
Speaker 2: I just took a look on X. You have hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands of people that get the benefit of these
Speaker 2: insights every day. That is impressive when you look at this,
Speaker 2: and it could be a sum of column A, some
Speaker 2: of column be thing Randa, but you know, when you
Speaker 2: look at the motivations for him to grant these broad
Speaker 2: sweeping pardons, how much of it, in your mind, is
Speaker 2: to protect them from what Biden may think is some
Speaker 2: unjustified use of prosecutorial authority, and how much of it
Speaker 2: is to protect them from having their arms twisted into
Speaker 2: giving up evidence against him or someone else that could
Speaker 2: get to him exactly.
Speaker 6: I think that this is really a self preservation move
Speaker 6: for Joe Biden, because he was the big guy. He
Speaker 6: was the central figure in this influence peddling operation that
Speaker 6: his family was running during his vice presidency, in that
Speaker 6: they reaped millions of dollars from the countries where Joe
Speaker 6: Biden was given carriage to be sort of the number
Speaker 6: one American man. He was the most powerful person in
Speaker 6: the world in Ukraine and Russia and China and so on,
Speaker 6: because Barack Obama had outsourced foreign policy to him at largely.
Speaker 6: So I think that he knows that he's in trouble.
Speaker 6: He may give himself a pardon, although he may just
Speaker 6: rest on his laurels. And you know, giving himself a
Speaker 6: pardon is really an admission of guil for himself that
Speaker 6: goes against everything he's ever told us about himself. That
Speaker 6: he knows nothing about his son Hunters with his business dealings,
Speaker 6: and then he's not in business, which he's done, and
Speaker 6: then he changed the story too he didn't make any
Speaker 6: money from his son's business. But I do think that
Speaker 6: he will try to do whatever he can to protect himself.
Speaker 6: But remember he's now eighty one. Was he eighty two?
Speaker 6: And we had the special counsel Robert her say that, well, yes,
Speaker 6: you know there was good evidence that he was guilty
Speaker 6: of improperly storing classified documents, but that they wouldn't be
Speaker 6: recommending charges because he thought that any DC jury would
Speaker 6: not convict because they would see him as an elderly
Speaker 6: man with a poor memory. So he's not getting any younger,
Speaker 6: and I don't think his cognitive abilities are improving. So
Speaker 6: by the time I guess he figures by the time
Speaker 6: any trial would happen, after all the delays that I'm
Speaker 6: sure his lawyers would put up, he'd be far gone.
Speaker 6: So I don't think he's really in any trouble, but
Speaker 6: the rest of them are probably afraid that it's something.
Speaker 6: I don't think Donald Trump is on a retribution binge.
Speaker 6: I think he's got his hands full with all the
Speaker 6: problems around the world. He now has two more problems added,
Speaker 6: Syria and South Korea and so and he has to
Speaker 6: clean up the Justice Department, he has to clean up
Speaker 6: the FBI and the CIA, and also to port all
Speaker 6: those illegal migrants, So he's pretty busy. I don't think
Speaker 6: he's the type of person that's going to focus too
Speaker 6: much on the past and vengeance, but certainly if there
Speaker 6: are investigations, whether in Congress or the Department of Justice
Speaker 6: that are legitimate and lawful, and they uncover evidence against
Speaker 6: some of these people, I'm sure that the Department of
Speaker 6: Justice will pursue that vigorously. Might be lawfair, it will
Speaker 6: be lawful.
Speaker 2: I think it would have been more likely that President
Speaker 2: Trump would have pardoned Hunter himself, as if to use
Speaker 2: that as a platform to say, I'm I'm just tired
Speaker 2: of all of this nonsense going on, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to take that. I think it was more likely he
Speaker 2: would do that than pursuing these other people. But here's
Speaker 2: something interesting. There is within the United States Department of
Speaker 2: Justice an Office of the Pardon Attorney, and there's a
Speaker 2: website and you can look this thing up and on
Speaker 2: it they have frequently asked questions, And here's a question
Speaker 2: that is I didn't realize these would be frequently asked questions,
Speaker 2: But here it is, can the president pardon someone before
Speaker 2: they are indicted, convicted, or sentenced for a federal offense
Speaker 2: against the United States. Here's what DOJ says. It would
Speaker 2: be highly unusual, but there have been a few cases
Speaker 2: where people who had not been charged with a crime
Speaker 2: were pardoned, including President Gerald Ford's pardon of President Richard
Speaker 2: Nixon after Watergate. Now I've read the text of that pardon, Miranda,
Speaker 2: and the last paragraph is somewhat similar in terms of
Speaker 2: the language against the crimes against the United State, dates
Speaker 2: that he may have committed, and all that other stuff.
Speaker 2: What do you see is the distinction between what Gerald
Speaker 2: Ford did back in seventy four and what Biden did
Speaker 2: some fifty years later.
Speaker 6: I think it's near identical. Both unprecedented. Well, you know,
Speaker 6: the Nixon one was certainly unpresident at the time. What
Speaker 6: unprecedented about this Hunter Biden pardon is just the length
Speaker 6: of time, because the Nixon pardon just lasted for the
Speaker 6: four years of his presidency, or went back four years anyway.
Speaker 6: And for you know, Hunter, it goes back to January first,
Speaker 6: twenty fourteen, which of course is when the Ukraine Grift started.
Speaker 6: When you know, in February of twenty fourteen was the
Speaker 6: May Done Revolution, and after that Joe Biden marched in
Speaker 6: and took over. I mean, he was the Grand Puba
Speaker 6: in Ukraine.
Speaker 2: He was the.
Speaker 6: Representative of America.
Speaker 5: Aaron.
Speaker 6: Ukraine very much depended on about the West for money.
Speaker 6: They were completely broke, and so Joe Biden used to
Speaker 6: go in there and fly into Kiev all the time
Speaker 6: and lecture them about corruption is a cancer, he would say.
Speaker 6: And they all knew that his son was sitting on
Speaker 6: the board of the most corrupt company in Ukraine, which
Speaker 6: is saying something, and was getting in a million dollars
Speaker 6: a year for it, despite having zero skills, he didn't
Speaker 6: speak the language. He never even went to Ukraine, so
Speaker 6: this was just money for jam It was money to
Speaker 6: curry favor with his father.
Speaker 2: Miranda Devine, I could talk to you for the rest
Speaker 2: of the hour, frankly, but it turns out I cannot
Speaker 2: talk to you for the rest of the hour. Author
Speaker 2: of Laptop from Hell and The Big Guy, which I
Speaker 2: am pleased to see there is an audible version of
Speaker 2: this book because for a guy like me, I drive
Speaker 2: so much, it is great to be able to listen
Speaker 2: to this. Thank you so much for being on the
Speaker 2: Dan Kepler Show.
Speaker 6: Oh thanks so much, George.
Speaker 5: Great to be with you.
Speaker 2: Great to be with you too. Good luck in Mississippi. Hey,
Speaker 2: when we come back, we're gonna I can't believe how
Speaker 2: quickly two hours goes Man. I used to be doing
Speaker 2: four and this would we would just be hitting this
Speaker 2: right like we would just be hitting our stride. Two
Speaker 2: hours not enough time. We're going to come back with
Speaker 2: a guy named Frank Cauley to talk about something near
Speaker 2: and dear to my heart. It's Colorado Gives Day coming up,
Speaker 2: and this guy's got a story. I want you to
Speaker 2: listen to stick around. George Brockler on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 2: Talk to you in a.
Speaker 7: Minute, and now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2: George Brockler back in for Dan Capla's final segment of
Speaker 2: the show. It goes so quickly. I would love to
Speaker 2: give our next guest a whole hour to talk about this.
Speaker 2: Colorado Gives Day is upon us. There is a cause
Speaker 2: that is near and dear to my heart is called
Speaker 2: the Homebuilder's Foundation. Proud to sit on the board of that.
Speaker 2: But I want to bring up if I can right now, Frank,
Speaker 2: Callie Frank, I wish I could give you more than
Speaker 2: a handful of minutes to tell your story and pitch
Speaker 2: Homebuilders Foundation because it matters to me. My son has
Speaker 2: muscular dystrophe and Homebuilders Foundation made a huge change for
Speaker 2: the positive in his life.
Speaker 5: But tell us your story, well, thank you, Georgie, and
Speaker 5: I'll take as much time as I can get. I
Speaker 5: appreciate the opportunity. I'm in a physical disability. I have
Speaker 5: a disease called inclusion body myocytis. In twenty twenty one,
Speaker 5: It's an extremely rare muscle disease. I was diagnosed with
Speaker 5: this and you know, it's a progressive disease that impacts
Speaker 5: my skull of the muscle structure. So I lost the
Speaker 5: use of my legs and I'm losing use of my
Speaker 5: arms as we speak. And what Home Builders Foundation did
Speaker 5: for us, we knew that this was going to happen,
Speaker 5: and like my doctor said, you're not going to die
Speaker 5: from this disease, which you're going to die with it,
Speaker 5: so we tried to stay ahead of it. We were
Speaker 5: looking to modify our home. We decided to we needed
Speaker 5: to get a new produgive house, so we bought a
Speaker 5: house out here in Kasserbuck that had been modified before.
Speaker 5: And then I lost my job on top of everything else.
Speaker 5: And to make a long story incredibly short, the modifications
Speaker 5: that were done to our home originally were done for
Speaker 5: a lady that I never met, but she was significantly
Speaker 5: smaller than I am. I'm six to four, about two fifty,
Speaker 5: and so we contacted home Builders Foundation and what they
Speaker 5: do is they came out and they made no cost
Speaker 5: to me as a client, some modifications to the home
Speaker 5: that honestly, as you know, George, they've completely changed my life. Ramps,
Speaker 5: grab bars, you know, just little things like thresholds, you know,
Speaker 5: and they do things like scare lift and bathroom modifications
Speaker 5: and all of these things allow people with physical disabilities
Speaker 5: in their families to live safely and to live independently.
Speaker 5: And it's just it's life changing, Georgia.
Speaker 2: It's world expanding too. It's like it gives you back
Speaker 2: a freedom that you don't have. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: think people get this. I mean, my son's in a
Speaker 2: wheelchair and that is a single stare is it could
Speaker 2: be a forty foot high wall. I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: a barrier to your ability to exist.
Speaker 5: Before it was diagnosed, since I was going through this process,
Speaker 5: you know, just a little crack in a sidewalk, George,
Speaker 5: I sell countless times just just walking and you know,
Speaker 5: you're you're right, even a curve. I can't do curbs.
Speaker 5: I can't do anything anymore. And honestly, it changes your
Speaker 5: whole outlook on everything you do. And so to have
Speaker 5: a wheelchair ramp or a threshold or you know those
Speaker 5: kinds of things, it just it makes you feel like
Speaker 5: you're part of society. Again.
Speaker 2: These are folks who hail from really every I mean
Speaker 2: you can count me as one of them. But these
Speaker 2: are people from the home building business who just give
Speaker 2: and give and give, and they ask for nothing in return,
Speaker 2: and they end up finding people like Frank Cawley, like
Speaker 2: my son, and they say, let us help you find
Speaker 2: a way to get some dignity back, to get some
Speaker 2: autonomy back, and to live with greater freedom. And so,
Speaker 2: if you're looking to do something for Colorado Gives Day,
Speaker 2: you can't do much better than Homebuilders Foundation. Go to
Speaker 2: Colorado Gives Day, HbF Denver, look up HbF Denver. Frank,
Speaker 2: any parting words there, I got a few seconds for you.
Speaker 5: Well, I just want to point out that this is
Speaker 5: not a fly by night organization, no way, been around
Speaker 5: for ever. Since nineteen ninety three, they've done over two
Speaker 5: hundred to two three hundred individuals have been impacted positively,
Speaker 5: and most importantly, it helps people disabilities. But as you know,
Speaker 5: George would also helps start family because cuss reavers need
Speaker 5: this help as much or more in some cases than
Speaker 5: those of us with disability. So it's just a life
Speaker 5: changing organization that helps people every single minute of every
Speaker 5: single day. And I can't I can't say enough to
Speaker 5: thinks about them about their work.
Speaker 2: Same God, bless you, Frank. Thanks for making time for
Speaker 2: us tonight.
Speaker 5: Thank you for the time, George, I appreciate the chance.
Speaker 2: Thanks her. That's Homebuilders Foundation and check it out at
Speaker 2: Colorado Gibbs Day HbF Denver. Listen, I can't believe we've
Speaker 2: run out of time, Ryan, this is crazy. Tomorrow filling
Speaker 2: into this very seat, it'll probably be a little taller
Speaker 2: is deb Flora. Of course. Flora is Italian for feet.
Speaker 2: Last point of personal privilege. Thank you to Kelly, thank
Speaker 2: you to Ryan, Thanks for Dan for the chance. And
Speaker 2: tomorrow big big birthday for the Brocler household. Thank you,
Speaker 2: and happy birthday to Amanda. She is the first bestest
Speaker 2: thing I think that I ever did. Happy birthday, a man.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see you again. George Brockler filling
Speaker 2: in Dan Caplis