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<v Speaker 1>Meaning a light man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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<v Speaker 1>his wing big down in the forest. Man, it gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cause the tree fall, letting five thousand miles away.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, than nobody see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody see. You don't need no man like you followed

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<v Speaker 1>him this story and.

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<v Speaker 2>You got backed. Flect that that's still win.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't black and dag on the Panama man.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, you don't matter man anyway. All right, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be one hundred percent honest with you, guys. I ran

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<v Speaker 1>out of time. I've got a flight leaving at five

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<v Speaker 1>thirty tomorrow morning. It's about nine thirty when I record this,

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<v Speaker 1>I still haven't packed. So uh, you know what a

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<v Speaker 1>short monologue, So uh give me money. Episodes early in

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<v Speaker 1>ad Free Axios Remote Fitness and Coaching. Here's Kevin Deanna.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks guys. All right, Indiana, welcome to the Jay Burden Show.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing man, Great to be back? Great to

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<v Speaker 2>be back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here to discuss something relatively sobering, the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>a young man. Carmelo Anthony, obviously a name that has

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<v Speaker 1>become quite infamous in recent months, was just convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>murder sentenced to thirty five years and while there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of analysis over the forensic details of the case,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's some interesting trends we can observe in

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<v Speaker 1>the coverage. So before we get into that, Kevin, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>curious what were your initial thoughts when this incident occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been roughly a year now. Unfortunately this is all

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<v Speaker 1>but a rare occurrence. Was it something that hit your timeline?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think it hit mine in the same

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<v Speaker 2>way as it hit most people, which was essentially the fundraiser.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's why most of us know about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, unfortunately, a black on white murder is not

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<v Speaker 2>exactly rare in this country. You have seen something about

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<v Speaker 2>it when it first happened, But the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>raised about six hundred thousand dollars from blacks who seem

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<v Speaker 2>to adopt him as a kind of real champion like

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<v Speaker 2>this was seen as as almost like political victory. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth noting that it is precisely because of this

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<v Speaker 2>that when Shiloh Hendrix got into her bit of trouble

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<v Speaker 2>where she dropped a hard r on a Somali kid

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<v Speaker 2>who stole her own child's food, this was why she

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<v Speaker 2>was able to raise so much money. No Carmarlo Anthony,

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<v Speaker 2>no Shiloh Hendrix. And this is the pattern that we're

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<v Speaker 2>in now. And if I were inclined to be given

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<v Speaker 2>to censorship, I would blame social media. It is actually

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<v Speaker 2>social media. But of course I actually think this is

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing. We are actually now in a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of tit for tat situation where every single interracial not

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<v Speaker 2>even crime, but conflict of this sort becomes a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of competition, especially when it comes to these fundraisers. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was especially interesting as this thing developed where you

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<v Speaker 2>had Austin Metcow's father initially going with the line that

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<v Speaker 2>this has nothing to do with race. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go pray with the murderer's family, going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the press conference. Shouldn't we able to be all unite,

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<v Speaker 2>that this was a terrible thing that happened. And what's

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<v Speaker 2>happened since he got swatted six times, he got insulted,

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<v Speaker 2>he got chased out of the press conference, his kid

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<v Speaker 2>has been smeared from beyond the grave as essentially a

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<v Speaker 2>bully and a racist, and god knows what else. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is where we're going, and it's just going to

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<v Speaker 2>be like this forever now, until they basically try to

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<v Speaker 2>censor social media on the grounds of maintaining racial peace,

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<v Speaker 2>like Singapore style.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting you bring that up. Obviously, this has been

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<v Speaker 1>the week of ethnic knife crime, and just a few

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<v Speaker 1>days ago there's a savage attack in Belfast and African

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe a Sudanese migrant nearly decapitated a local

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<v Speaker 1>man purportedly don't know if this is true, a man

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<v Speaker 1>with special needs. And what's interesting is that the local

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<v Speaker 1>police have repeatedly instructed people not to share the video

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<v Speaker 1>on social media. It's not the direct censorship, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but when the police so telling you not to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>we understand that is only one short step away from

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<v Speaker 1>doing what the UK was this in Northern Ireland, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember whatever n.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Northern Ireland, so this is technically a Great Britain,

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<v Speaker 2>technically kingdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe I've probably caused some minor up.

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<v Speaker 2>The riots have actually just restarted just now, like as

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<v Speaker 2>you were talking, as you made that little flub, like

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seven people are dead and like the troubles have

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<v Speaker 2>begun again and it's all your fault. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you gonna go?

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<v Speaker 1>When I start my car tomorrow, it will explode. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I wish for every morning, But every morning

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<v Speaker 1>the car just starts and I'm disappointed again. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>really need to get on the you really need to

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<v Speaker 1>start antagonizing the Fenians and maybe someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Will uh make your wish.

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<v Speaker 1>But in all seriousness of course, one, uh, god speed

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<v Speaker 1>to the guys over there, if I can say that.

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<v Speaker 1>And two we see exactly that inclination. The issue is

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<v Speaker 1>not the issue, it's your reaction to it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think bringing up Shiloh Hendrix in relation to this was

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting because, I mean, you can look at the

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<v Speaker 1>OJ Simpson trial any other of these kind of large

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<v Speaker 1>racialized moments and see that Black America looks as it

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<v Speaker 1>looks at itself as a nation within a nation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they view themselves as being on a team. I wasn't alive,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've been told by reliable sources that during the

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<v Speaker 1>nineties there was a symbol for this, the crown. You'd

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<v Speaker 1>put a crown in your car to signal that you

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<v Speaker 1>were one of the brothers, the idea being hopefully no

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<v Speaker 1>one breaks in. Did it work? Probably not. I know

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI statistics as well as you do, but you

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<v Speaker 1>get the idea there's an ethnic solidarity there, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Shiloh Hendrix case particularly interesting because it's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first times where white ethnic solidarity, at least in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>hit the mainstream. One of the kind of secondary stories

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<v Speaker 1>in the Shiloh Hendrix affair was all of the normal

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<v Speaker 1>American public officials getting in trouble for donating to this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Volunteer firemen, police officers, things like that. Look, I get it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, edgy right wing politics are more popular than

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<v Speaker 1>they've ever been. But the amount of money she raised

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<v Speaker 1>means that hit the mainstream, that got out of our

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<v Speaker 1>little corner. Now it bears saying. I believe she is

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<v Speaker 1>still going through court troubles. I think her trial is

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled very soon. But point is, I think it feels

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<v Speaker 1>as if this information has sort of escaped the CD

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<v Speaker 1>quarters of the Internet. There's a growing realization that politics

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<v Speaker 1>is a team sport, oftentimes along to be honest racial lines. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can returning to this case, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things stuck out to me, which is one we see

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<v Speaker 1>information control right from the very beginning. The foot whether

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<v Speaker 1>the security camera footage or the body cam footage has

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<v Speaker 1>not been revealed to the public. We haven't seen it yet,

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<v Speaker 1>which noticers tend to assume that means it looks bad,

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<v Speaker 1>means it looks really bad for the defendant.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you mention the.

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<v Speaker 1>Princely sum, this kid's family raised interesting biographical detail. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they had already collected a lot of money from

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<v Speaker 1>a major legal settlement before, so it seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the family business, if you will. But pretty

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<v Speaker 1>quickly analysts started to point out that this kid was

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<v Speaker 1>probably screwed just due to the fact that his parents

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<v Speaker 1>did not seem particularly interested in helping him out here.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the same coverage I did on that issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's worth noting he ended up having to

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<v Speaker 2>rely on a quarter pointed attorney, which may explain why

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<v Speaker 2>the defense was so incompetent. I mean, he had his

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<v Speaker 2>own witnesses turning on him during this trial. It was

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be a particularly close verdict, which of

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<v Speaker 2>course makes the reaction of various Black Court analysts on

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<v Speaker 2>TV and Black House side the courtroom all the more extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>This was not a marginal case. There was more sincere

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<v Speaker 2>guilt that, like I possess over OJ Simpson than I

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<v Speaker 2>did about this one, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because at least in OJ's case, regardless of if

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<v Speaker 1>he did it or not, the prosecution messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd loved ton't do things exactly right. I mean you

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely yeah, yeah, exactly the bullshit theory. But like here, no,

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<v Speaker 2>and when your own witnesses are saying, yeah, he started it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Before when I said something, that was because I screwed

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<v Speaker 2>up and didn't see the surveillance footage correctly. What I'm

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<v Speaker 2>referring to is one of the witnesses said that he

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<v Speaker 2>was basically surrounded by a white mob. You can see

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<v Speaker 2>why he might think that. What the witness failed to

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<v Speaker 2>recognize is that he was referring to surveillance video where

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<v Speaker 2>this was after the sabbing, when of course everybody runs

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<v Speaker 2>over to see what had just happened. It's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>big change. And this just kind of kept happening over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again, with the defense falling into traps that

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<v Speaker 2>nobody had actually set for them. It was a catastrophe

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<v Speaker 2>for the Defense the entire time. But of course, no blacks,

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<v Speaker 2>and not even former congresswomen or outgoing Congresswoman Jasmine Crockets,

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<v Speaker 2>seem to care.

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<v Speaker 1>Sidebar. I will say, as an avid watcher of the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of low rent, corrupt politicians, my stable of favorite

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<v Speaker 1>politicians has been devastated by recent leaders. We lost Lorie Lightfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>now we lost Jasmine Crockett. I might actually have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay attention to politic legitimately if we don't elect more

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<v Speaker 1>comedically corrupt black women into positions of power. But setting

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<v Speaker 1>that aside, another interesting element in the coverage is a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks ago there was media coverage that said that

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<v Speaker 1>there were no black jurors, that they had all been

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<v Speaker 1>pulled out of the selection pool. I think that's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple reasons. One, we have this idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a jury of your peers, right who who represents you,

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<v Speaker 1>who can judge your conduct? And we on the right

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<v Speaker 1>have pointed out for quite a long time there's a

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<v Speaker 1>heavy ethnic component to this that white juries are generally

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<v Speaker 1>speaking pretty fair. They tend to treat people the same

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of their racial background, and this is not true

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<v Speaker 1>along other lines. For instance, black jurors tend to convict

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<v Speaker 1>white defendants at a much higher rate, whereas they tend

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<v Speaker 1>to let people off of their own race at a

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<v Speaker 1>much higher rate.

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<v Speaker 2>And Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That meme, if you will, was popularized in our circles.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the point where national media is saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's screwed. He can't depend on that, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have that going for him, it's sort of an interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It indicates that, however much people want to deny it,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these truths you and I are telling, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>already knows, they're just sort of ashamed to admit it. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>All politics are identity politics. Many people are saying it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone even created a show called it right some guy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some daego, though I don't watch it on white performers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's an interesting element to this. You

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<v Speaker 1>and I were speaking before we went live, and you

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<v Speaker 1>had brought up the point that this may well be

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<v Speaker 1>the avenue for appeal. He may argue I was convicted

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<v Speaker 1>by a non representative jury by people who aren't like me.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a specific example you brought up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right in twenty twenty one, there was a man named

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<v Speaker 2>Gilbert in Tennessee, a black man who was convicted, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>of aggravated assault, and he was actually granted a new

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<v Speaker 2>trial by a Tennessee Court of appeals and the grounds

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<v Speaker 2>a fair trial. Now a little different in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>because there were no blacks on the jury. However, we

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<v Speaker 2>are told that there were minorities on the jury. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no blacks. This I got from a Daily Caller article

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<v Speaker 2>about jury selection. It's one of these things though, where

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<v Speaker 2>you could see that being grounds. I mean, you certainly

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<v Speaker 2>on the jury, how could he get a fair trial?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is one of those things where we all

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves and everybody else when we have to do our jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've ever worked on a campaign, what is a campaign?

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<v Speaker 2>The entire purpose of the campaign is to turn out

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<v Speaker 2>want blacks on the jury, obviously, but it's essentially all

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<v Speaker 2>these workarounds to get the demographics that you want, and

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<v Speaker 2>the whole point of being an attorney, the whole point

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<v Speaker 2>of being a specialist in jury selection particularly, is to

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<v Speaker 2>on a jury. I mean, what is a jury other

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<v Speaker 2>than a small legislature. So this is one of these

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<v Speaker 2>things where we talk about a jury of your peers.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do we use the term fears that has a

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<v Speaker 2>very specific meaning Back in England during the Middle Ages

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<v Speaker 2>or during the time when the aristocracy really meant something

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<v Speaker 2>you could appeal to essentially be judge only by members

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<v Speaker 2>of your class. And so when we say a jury

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<v Speaker 2>of your peers, if you are a white professional man,

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't, now you're at the basically the

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<v Speaker 2>whims of a group that has far more racial tribalism

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<v Speaker 2>and far more collective power than your group does, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's particularly interesting when we examine the defense

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that this was a case of self defense.

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<v Speaker 1>The argument you saw from the protesters surrounding the courthouse,

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<v Speaker 1>which I realized are not exactly August political theorists. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that well, he said repeatedly, if you touch me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll kill you. Austin Metcalff touched him, he was killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Therefore it's self defense. And we can laugh about that

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<v Speaker 1>because it isn't particularly coherent. That's not what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we're seeing is a radically different cultural idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Now some of it is just pure ethnic chauvinism, right

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<v Speaker 1>that no matter what the defense would be, there would

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<v Speaker 1>be people that would pairrot it because he's one of ours, right,

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<v Speaker 1>simple team sports. But that's a major cultural breakdown. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea of self defense, at least in an English common

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<v Speaker 1>law sense, is a deeply cultural idea, ironically enough, not

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<v Speaker 1>a write you have in England anymore. But there's a tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a general social understanding of what that means, what

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<v Speaker 1>the barriers are. Well, different cultures have different assumptions, and

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<v Speaker 1>when you take a law designed for one culture export

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<v Speaker 1>it to another, as we learned in Afghanistan, as we've

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<v Speaker 1>learned in every one of these foolish nation building projects.

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<v Speaker 1>It falls apart. It's the same thing here as halfway

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<v Speaker 1>across the world. A constitution, a set of laws, is

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<v Speaker 1>an expression of a people, and when that people changes,

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<v Speaker 1>it falls apart. It's exactly the same reason why the

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<v Speaker 1>constitutional conservatives are wrong, or at least half wrong. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not wrong that the constitution is a particularly pleasant set

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<v Speaker 1>of laws to live under. That if we could wave

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<v Speaker 1>a magic wand and turn our country back to seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine, it would be a lot better. Well, that's true,

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is that constitution reflected a culture. It

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<v Speaker 1>reflected a people, and that people doesn't exist in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way it did. Then you need both one and

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<v Speaker 1>the other. Law absent cultural expression. I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of paper. Look at Liberia. They have the

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<v Speaker 1>same constitution we do and a remarkably different expression.

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<v Speaker 2>We should look at Liberia. I feel like Liberia could

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<v Speaker 2>hold the answer to a lot of these problems that

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm willing to admit that importing child soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>and turning them loose, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was thinking I was thinking more of exports than imports.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, if you want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Some have had this idea before, some have expressed it.

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<v Speaker 2>I admire Marcus Harvey for a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's interesting as well because I joked earlier that

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<v Speaker 1>this has been the week of melodated knife crime, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is of course a joke, but it is true.

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<v Speaker 1>And in both the case of Henry Novak who was

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<v Speaker 1>killed by a Sikh, and also the Sudanese man who

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<v Speaker 1>nearly sawed some random irishman's head off, the reaction has

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<v Speaker 1>been very telling. We see this exact same tribalism building,

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<v Speaker 1>where on one side the Sikh community is almost reflexively

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<v Speaker 1>coming to the defense of the murder of Novak, hiding

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<v Speaker 1>the weapon right obfuscating the situation from the police issuing

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<v Speaker 1>a technical condemnation of the murder, but again only slightly.

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<v Speaker 1>And the coverage from much of the media has been

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<v Speaker 1>the old Norm MacDonald joke when he said, imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>Isis were to detonate a nuke in downtown Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the bashlac to peaceful Muslims.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>He was clever for saying it, but fifteen years on

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<v Speaker 1>it sort of rings hollow. It's not funny anymore. There

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<v Speaker 1>are people dead and the media seemingly incredibly ethnically hostile.

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<v Speaker 1>Seemingly it's not, it's just obvious naked ethnic hatred for

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<v Speaker 1>the native population. See what I'm getting at, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's worse than that in some ways, because

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<v Speaker 2>what do you have. Look at the response, let's say England,

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<v Speaker 2>just because it's the obvious example. In the immediate aftermath

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<v Speaker 2>of what happened in Belfast, and that should be noted,

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<v Speaker 2>people were talking about like riots and oh Belfastest and

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<v Speaker 2>flames and everything else, and of course everybody has an

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<v Speaker 2>interest in exaggerating this. It's actually fairly localized. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you had some property instruction, but even by the standards

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<v Speaker 2>of Northern Irish history, not much to write home about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't think anybody's going to care in

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks. But the immediate source of blame

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<v Speaker 2>was not even so much the rioters but Elon Musk,

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<v Speaker 2>because they said no Elon Musk showed this video, talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Therefore, this is a problem here. Starmer was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this from the Florida Parliament. The Liberal Dems

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about this, saying, I think their party leader

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<v Speaker 2>was saying they need to do something about this. The

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party leader was also saying something about this. They

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<v Speaker 2>are going to use this to try to push more censorship. Earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned that police officer from Northern Ireland. I encourage

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<v Speaker 2>the audience to actually find that on YouTube. The comments

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<v Speaker 2>are disabled, but you find that guy's speech. And what

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<v Speaker 2>you'll find and probably be viscerally disgusted by, as I was,

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<v Speaker 2>is this kind of therapeutic language from the police officer.

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<v Speaker 2>Why shouldn't you show the video? Well, because it could

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<v Speaker 2>cause trauma and risk to the victims. I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>already past the point where risk and trauma has already

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<v Speaker 2>been given to this particular victim who almost had his

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<v Speaker 2>head sought off, and they always he falls back. You

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<v Speaker 2>said it, I think six times during the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the video, this phrase that you see everywhere, and you

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<v Speaker 2>see it throughout the Western world, and it's very ominous

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<v Speaker 2>and I want people to pay attention to it. Our communities.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never my fellow citizens, it's never my kinsman, God knows,

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<v Speaker 2>it's never even my fellow subjects. From a Northern Irish perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always our communities. We need to ensure the safety

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<v Speaker 2>of our communities. Well, what does that mean. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>implicit admission that there's not actually a people, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not a people that we are all a part of.

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<v Speaker 2>But we have different communities, We have different groups that

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<v Speaker 2>all live cheek by jel and they don't particularly like

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<v Speaker 2>each other. And the job of the government is to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of take money from the productive and spread it

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<v Speaker 2>around a little bit and hopefully they won't kill each other.

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<v Speaker 2>We get something out of this because diversity is our strength.

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<v Speaker 2>What that strength actually constitutes nobody is really sure. But

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose of government is to essentially be the head

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<v Speaker 2>arbitrator between these different factions. And part of that means

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<v Speaker 2>controlling speech. Part of that means not letting people find

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<v Speaker 2>out about what's really going on. And here's the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Woker Moore correct than the mainstream right. They're not wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not wrong that there would have been no reaction

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<v Speaker 2>had we not gotten that video. They're not wrong in say,

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<v Speaker 2>not releasing the Austin Metcalf murder video, that there would

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<v Speaker 2>be a stronger reaction if that video was released. Should

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<v Speaker 2>be noted that apparently some jurors were crying when that

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<v Speaker 2>video was shown in CORP. It's so harrowing. The issue

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<v Speaker 2>is that you actually can force a social consensus if

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<v Speaker 2>you are able to control the low of information. This

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<v Speaker 2>is why even people who are pretty old like me

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<v Speaker 2>express frustration with the boomers, because the boomers are so

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<v Speaker 2>wedded to this idea that what the TV tells me

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<v Speaker 2>must be true, that there is this authority, that there

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<v Speaker 2>are these institutions that we can trust. Millennials don't believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly gen Z does not believe that Jen Alpha is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely not going to believe that what's on the media

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<v Speaker 2>and what's aislop and what's completely made up, all of

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<v Speaker 2>that is just totally indistinguishable. Now, there are costs to

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<v Speaker 2>living in a culture where there's no guide for what

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<v Speaker 2>is true and what is not. Certainly, if we look

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<v Speaker 2>at the state of online debate with just random conspiracies

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<v Speaker 2>that we know not to be true and people saying

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<v Speaker 2>obviously untrue things for clickbait, we understand the cost of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But we have to weigh that against in this uncontrolled

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<v Speaker 2>information environment, we can actually find out what's going on. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of garbage you have to dig through,

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<v Speaker 2>But if you dig hard enough, you can find stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like this and you can actually see what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and that does destabilize a system that is leading to

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<v Speaker 2>our genocide. I mean, let us call it for what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It's not going to be pretty, and the

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<v Speaker 2>information environment is just going to grow more chaotic in

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<v Speaker 2>the days ahead. But what is the alternative? Because if

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<v Speaker 2>we go back to the way that the mainstream media

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<v Speaker 2>used to be, and clearly the kind of government media

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<v Speaker 2>partnership that cure Starmar is trying to take the United

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<v Speaker 2>Kingdom back to, there's really no way out because you

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<v Speaker 2>could very easily imagine a scenario where this video never

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<v Speaker 2>sees the light of day, and then where are we well?

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<v Speaker 1>And to that point, it's interesting that you and I, Kevin,

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<v Speaker 1>we have this desire for tradition, this desire for a

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<v Speaker 1>people with a myth that explains who we are, the

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<v Speaker 1>story we tell ourselves about ourselves, that creates a culture.

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<v Speaker 2>We want that.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, we're also in this position

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<v Speaker 1>of critiquing and tearing down a sort of horrible, like

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<v Speaker 1>moribund civic myth, right, that narrative that shoved us into

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<v Speaker 1>this horrible reality. We can debate exactly what that is,

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<v Speaker 1>where it came from, but we're sort of in this

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<v Speaker 1>position of both creating and destroying one at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>So on one hand, I think about this with the

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<v Speaker 1>media ecosystem, that if you and I lived in a

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<v Speaker 1>cohesive society, the internet would be the worst thing ever. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's clearly it's deranging people. It neutralizes the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>form a cultural cohesion. We even maybe that in our

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<v Speaker 1>own circles it nuked. It nukes romantic relationships for one.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this, like I've always said, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>was the last chopper out of non I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no friggin way when you look at the dating market

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<v Speaker 1>now and and people look at gen z and everything else,

431
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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's very easy to joke about it

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, oh, look at what's going on with this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, well, if the foundation of the country

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<v Speaker 1>is the family, and nobody's ever going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to form a stable family ever, again, now what do

436
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<v Speaker 1>we do? Oh one hundred percent. I mean it's a

437
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<v Speaker 1>silly example, and there are a lot of you know,

438
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<v Speaker 1>social conservatives that you love to try it out arguments

439
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<v Speaker 1>against porn, but like, uh, look at how many scripts

440
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<v Speaker 1>for rectile dysfunction medication they're writing for guys under thirty

441
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<v Speaker 1>and like, okay, some of that's diet. I would argue

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<v Speaker 1>that's another symptom of the cause we're talking about. But

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<v Speaker 1>also being exposed to literally everything and anything from age

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<v Speaker 1>eight to the point where you're jaded and sick of

445
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<v Speaker 1>it all by about age twenty seven. That's not good

446
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<v Speaker 1>for a society. But at the same time, right, this

447
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<v Speaker 1>incredible ecosystem, this erosion of narrative has from a certain perspective,

448
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<v Speaker 1>it's loosened to the rates, right at least enough one

449
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<v Speaker 1>that you and I can support ourselves, at least for now,

450
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<v Speaker 1>we haven't been thrown in a gulag or you know,

451
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<v Speaker 1>forced to basically live in a compound in woods.

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<v Speaker 2>But also speak for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fair, fair, But at the same time, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>that lets us cut through the narrative. And it seems

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<v Speaker 1>that our enemies have realized that, at least in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>they've realized that that is a huge liability. James Burnham

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<v Speaker 1>wrote The Managerial Revolution pre World War Two, talking about

458
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<v Speaker 1>this new system where ownership and control were separated. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>in an economic sense, you know, the way that a

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<v Speaker 1>company is run is not the same way it was

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<v Speaker 1>run pre FDR. But also in a political sense, our

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<v Speaker 1>leaders functionally are managers, and the relationship you're describing where

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<v Speaker 1>our leaders function as the referees between sort of extremely

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<v Speaker 1>combative units, sort of an atomized mass of different people

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<v Speaker 1>with no real ties together. If Burnham had been writing now,

466
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<v Speaker 1>he may well have the human resources revolution, right, the

467
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<v Speaker 1>idea that basically we live in an hr state and

468
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<v Speaker 1>the function of the government is well to make sure

469
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<v Speaker 1>that you know, no one starts a fight in the breakroom. Effect,

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<v Speaker 1>the state is an economic engine, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Paul Gottfried, I don't mean interrupt, but just

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<v Speaker 2>the term that comes find Paul Godfried, I think, calls

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<v Speaker 2>it the managerial therapeutic state. That's essentially I mean. He

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<v Speaker 2>also refers to it in his book Multiculturalism and the

475
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<v Speaker 2>Politics of Guilt, which I encourage everybody to read because

476
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<v Speaker 2>it gets to the core of why we're dealing with

477
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things we're dealing with. He called it

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<v Speaker 2>towards a secular theocricy, and if you think of journalists,

479
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<v Speaker 2>if you think of academics, if you think of hr

480
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<v Speaker 2>in some ways, if you think of what is the

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<v Speaker 2>clergy of today, who are the people who actually determine

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<v Speaker 2>what is moral and what is not, who is allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to have a hearing, and who is a heretic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>basically those people and even the actual clergy are much

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<v Speaker 2>more concerned with fitting in academia and journalism in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of those narratives than what somebody in their own church

487
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<v Speaker 2>tradition said half a millennium ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, certainly, and I mean to that point, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>reason I'm sort of mixing religious and political metaphor here.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Green, a thinker who's incredibly impactful on my thought,

491
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<v Speaker 1>has long said one that Logar was completely correct. Not

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<v Speaker 1>to go back into forty k autism, but the fact

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about really for all one thing, but this

494
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<v Speaker 1>is fundamentally a war of belief. We no longer share

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<v Speaker 1>enough to argue within the same frame. So look at

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<v Speaker 1>the protesters outside Carmelo Anthony's trial. They are arguing effectively

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<v Speaker 1>that it's okay to kill someone if they don't look

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<v Speaker 1>like you, which, okay, we can say beast mode based whatever,

499
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<v Speaker 1>but in all seriousness that is a stark departure from

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<v Speaker 1>the American Western tradition. We have not historically thought that

501
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<v Speaker 1>at least an illegal context. Those are two completely separate frames.

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<v Speaker 1>Jasmine Crockett said, of course, I don't think this was

503
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<v Speaker 1>an offensive weapon. The blade was quote only three and

504
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<v Speaker 1>a half inches long, arguing that somehow that justifies killing someone. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>some of this is just pure reactive ethnic politics. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you an ant from my hill or an ant from

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<v Speaker 1>another one? On that level, there's not a lot of

508
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<v Speaker 1>thought to it. But again we are seeing two different frames,

509
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<v Speaker 1>completely different understandings of the world. And when we look at,

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<v Speaker 1>as you've said, this sort of therapeutic mindset towards politics,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that there is no real connection between man

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<v Speaker 1>and culture, we are simply interchangeable economic widgets. You can

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<v Speaker 1>move a man from one country to another, and a

514
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<v Speaker 1>man is a man is a man, so who cares

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. And clearly one that is an idea that

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<v Speaker 1>you and I do not share any framing with. We

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<v Speaker 1>can't reason or logic our way to some sort of

518
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<v Speaker 1>synthesis between that position and ours. But also it's manifestly untrue, clearly.

519
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<v Speaker 2>And they don't believe it. Either they don't believe it either.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are a number of points here. One

521
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<v Speaker 2>is we're told two things at once all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I hate using Orwellian right. I mean, every

523
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<v Speaker 2>time somebody says that, you just want to rip your

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<v Speaker 2>own head off because it's like, think of a better metaphor.

525
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<v Speaker 2>But as Christopher Hitchins said when he visited North Korea,

526
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<v Speaker 2>like your mind just automatically goes back to nineteen eighty

527
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<v Speaker 2>four sometimes just because it's too perfect. Think of the

528
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>concept of doublethink, because you simultaneously must believe, and you

529
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<v Speaker 2>must believe this that wherever people go, they are essentially

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<v Speaker 2>the same. And then if you have good laws and

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<v Speaker 2>human rights, and essentially that's what it is to be

532
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<v Speaker 2>in democracy. You have a bundle of rights, as one

533
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<v Speaker 2>scholar put it, and you get to kind of carry

534
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<v Speaker 2>them around wherever you go. And that's what it is

535
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<v Speaker 2>to be a citizen. You have to believe that you

536
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<v Speaker 2>can go anywhere and be productive. But at the same time,

537
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<v Speaker 2>non whites are also racialized by these oppressive cultures, and

538
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<v Speaker 2>therefore when it comes to the way the law treats them,

539
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<v Speaker 2>they have to be treated as members of a group,

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<v Speaker 2>not as individuals, and the law has to be very

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<v Speaker 2>careful and how it deals with these individuals, and politicians

542
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<v Speaker 2>need to liaison with community leaders and make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>these different groups are able to get along. Of course,

544
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<v Speaker 2>there is one great exception, which is where are the

545
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<v Speaker 2>white community leaders. British police, for example, have this. This

546
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<v Speaker 2>is now an institutional role where they have official liaisons.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you had this unrest recently with these Muslim neighborhoods,

548
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<v Speaker 2>they actually went in there and they would meet with

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<v Speaker 2>the leaders of mosques and various community leaders who have

550
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<v Speaker 2>a quasi paramilitary role now and basically say, look, this

551
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<v Speaker 2>is what we're going to do. You need to make

552
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<v Speaker 2>sure your guys don't do this. We will let you

553
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<v Speaker 2>do this and everything else, and they essentially do a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of peace settlement the way occupying American troops might

555
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<v Speaker 2>do with like a village in Iraq. After negotiating with

556
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<v Speaker 2>the elders, there's nobody from the white community who gets

557
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<v Speaker 2>to work with the liaison. There is no white community leader.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just kind of on your own. You're just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of an individual. And the underlying assumption is that we

560
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<v Speaker 2>either don't need this because there's the sort of liberal

561
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<v Speaker 2>white supremacy that's still there and lurks in everybody's head

562
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<v Speaker 2>or and maybe even at the same time, they don't

563
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<v Speaker 2>deserve it because they're scum. They're the problem, and we

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<v Speaker 2>need to actually suppress these people. Think of another thing.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at these riots in Belfast, it's an

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<v Speaker 2>obvious point, but because we're sort of like the fish

567
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 2>swimming in water, we don't recognize it. It's worth bringing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it incredible that nobody ever says, look at the

569
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<v Speaker 2>root causes of this, look at the grievances. Shouldn't these

570
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<v Speaker 2>people be getting more money for programs? Isn't it an

571
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<v Speaker 2>economic thing? Isn't this the cry of the unheard. Nonviolence

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<v Speaker 2>was called white supremacy if you were called during the

573
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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty elections. Now they're saying it needs to absolutely

574
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<v Speaker 2>be crushed. Now they're not saying, well, the oppressed can

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<v Speaker 2>use whatever tactics they need to for their own liberation.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is actually classist and supremacist to say that

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<v Speaker 2>nonviolence is bad or you know, given that what we're

578
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<v Speaker 2>talking about are basically natives using violence to drive out

579
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<v Speaker 2>foreigners that they feel are occupying them. One is reminded

580
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<v Speaker 2>of the tweet, what did you think decolonization would look like?

581
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<v Speaker 2>Vibes Papers essays.

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<v Speaker 1>To further that point, Kevin, it really drives home how

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<v Speaker 1>much of politics is basically fake. And when I say that,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean that laws don't create realities. Obviously you

585
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<v Speaker 1>and I living in Virginia are painfully aware of that fact.

586
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<v Speaker 1>Politics will make its presence known. But this whole liberal

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<v Speaker 1>conception of neutral institutions, of a marketplace of ideas, where

588
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>people debate, they have their minds changed, they strive for

589
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<v Speaker 1>some sort of consistent worldview. I mean, to be about it, it's horshit.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody believes it. Sam Francis was saying twenty years ago.

591
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<v Speaker 2>Nobody believes in liberalism as a coherent ideology. No one

592
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<v Speaker 2>has taken it seriously in decades. It's not a thing.

593
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<v Speaker 2>And yet, just like we talk about a stuck culture

594
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<v Speaker 2>in terms of pop culture, it's almost like how you

595
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>have a stuck political philosopher when we just keep recycling

596
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<v Speaker 2>these cliches over and over and over again, and nobody

597
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<v Speaker 2>believes in any of it, even the sorts of things

598
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<v Speaker 2>that distinguished liberalism, things like freedom of speech as a

599
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:32.640
<v Speaker 2>foundational right, that is just gone. It's already gone in Britain,

600
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<v Speaker 2>it's already gone in continental Europe, and of course if

601
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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats get back in, it'll be gone in America too.

602
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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing, and this is the interesting thing

603
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<v Speaker 2>about it. They'll get rid of it, and then in

604
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<v Speaker 2>the next breath they'll say, but we have freedom of speech,

605
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<v Speaker 2>and they'll seem to actually believe it. And you remember

606
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<v Speaker 2>when JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance went over to Britain and basically said, hey, stop

608
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<v Speaker 1>locking people up, give them freedom of speech, and Kers

609
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<v Speaker 1>Starmer said, we have freedom of speech with no and

610
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<v Speaker 1>there's seemingly no awareness in his head.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's because, and I hate to be

612
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<v Speaker 2>simplistic and crude about it, but we're essentially, again to

613
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<v Speaker 2>cite Paul Gottfried, we're in kind of the anti fascist

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<v Speaker 2>state post nineteen forty five. And so the only thing

615
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<v Speaker 2>that I think most people think of when they think

616
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<v Speaker 2>of free speech is the freedom to basically offend Christian

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<v Speaker 2>morality and be degenerated or something to show them that

618
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<v Speaker 2>what for, or to oppose authoritarianism. But authoritarianism has to

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<v Speaker 2>literally mean a militaristic guy in a uniform ordering people

620
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<v Speaker 2>to march around. If it's like a fat woman ordering

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<v Speaker 2>people like when their businesses can open, or what they're

622
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<v Speaker 2>allowed to say in the workplace, that's not authoritarianism, that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually freedom, that's actually defending our democracy. And so we

624
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<v Speaker 2>just keep hearing these same cliches over and over again,

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<v Speaker 2>even though the substance has been gone for at this

626
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<v Speaker 2>point what a century, and there seems to be no

627
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<v Speaker 2>indication that people are going to change it up anytime soon.

628
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<v Speaker 2>It's just this endless stuck pop culture, governmental culture, legal

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<v Speaker 2>culture going forward forever and regardless, so the facts on

630
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<v Speaker 2>the ground, nobody is going to change their mind, because

631
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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the people who rule us, they

632
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<v Speaker 2>garner their status from the credentials given by these institutions.

633
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<v Speaker 2>And so if you attack those institutions and you say

634
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<v Speaker 2>what you are teaching us is wrong, you're essentially stripping

635
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<v Speaker 2>these people of their identity. You're stripping them of their

636
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.079
<v Speaker 2>sense of status and of worth, and they'd rather die

637
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.079
<v Speaker 2>than give that up, or at least rather we die.

638
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<v Speaker 1>We were speaking earlier about the myths that bind these

639
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>sort of civilizational narratives, and again referenced Paul Gottfried, for now,

640
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.880
<v Speaker 1>what must be the tenth time in this podcast. But

641
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<v Speaker 1>anti fascism is functionally the religion of our empire correct,

642
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.320
<v Speaker 1>much more so than Christianity. I mean, just look at

643
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<v Speaker 1>the fact that, yeah, that Bonhoeffer has, in a weird

644
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>way become a Christian saint, at least for Protestants. There's

645
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.079
<v Speaker 1>a movie coming out about him. It may have already

646
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 1>come out. It may surprise you, Kevin, I was not

647
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<v Speaker 1>really waiting in line to see a Bonheffer movie whatever

648
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<v Speaker 1>in the past.

649
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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't he not even really a Christian in the sense

650
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<v Speaker 2>of orthodox belief.

651
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.559
<v Speaker 1>He didn't believe in the divinity of Christ, which, look,

652
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I realize that used to be pretty important.

653
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but I mean that again, neither did Martin

654
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<v Speaker 2>Luther King, so exactly.

655
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<v Speaker 1>You know, again, I'm no theologian, but I figured that

656
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like a top light issue. But you

657
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:19.880
<v Speaker 1>know what, it turns out he hated Hitler, so I

658
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:25.039
<v Speaker 1>guess he's good enough. But in the same way that

659
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:29.519
<v Speaker 1>the Internet has acted as a cultural acid that has

660
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>both burned us and freed us, I wonder if we

661
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 1>will see a similar dynamic with the death of the

662
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 1>baby boomers. There's a lot of anticipation for that moment

663
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 1>among younger people, motivated by economic concerns, frustrations around the

664
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>dynamic you spoke about with believing everything on the TV.

665
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.480
<v Speaker 1>But fundamentally boomers are the only people who really believe

666
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.199
<v Speaker 1>in America anymore, on both the right and the left.

667
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.679
<v Speaker 1>And you see this even in the No King's protests,

668
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>which tend to be an older crowd. And they're gay,

669
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:08.800
<v Speaker 1>and they're cringe and they're embarrassing, but they're identifiably post

670
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 1>war American. They feel like what a seventy year old

671
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 1>would do if they were trying to live out their

672
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:18.719
<v Speaker 1>twenties again fighting the man, And of course it's goofy,

673
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 1>but look at their children, both literal and ideological, the

674
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>sort of pro Palestine rallies, the Larraza riots from Los Angeles. Okay,

675
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>we can argue our sympathies with those positions relative to

676
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.119
<v Speaker 1>the No Kings movement, that's not what we're talking about,

677
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 1>but they're identifiably different. We're seeing a breakdown in that

678
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.679
<v Speaker 1>civic religion, and just like the Internet, there's an advantage

679
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 1>with that, certainly that many of the sort of cultural

680
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.599
<v Speaker 1>chains we've been bound by are weakening.

681
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.199
<v Speaker 2>But also.

682
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Just like our culture got eaten in a sort of

683
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>pop culture sense with the Internet and other things that

684
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.159
<v Speaker 1>dating culture got eaten, well, America is kind of getting ethan.

685
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.280
<v Speaker 1>We don't have a myth to take the place of

686
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the post war consensus. No one's really settled on what

687
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:13.440
<v Speaker 1>comes next.

688
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Right right, and we The horrifying thing is at some

689
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 2>point we're probably going to miss the boomers because they're

690
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>able to create something functional. I mean this in an

691
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 2>economic way. In some senses, some people have pointed out

692
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.559
<v Speaker 2>there are all these like vast systems of infrastructure that

693
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.840
<v Speaker 2>nobody knows how they work anymore, and the only thing

694
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>keeping it going is like some sixty eight year old

695
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 2>guy living in Des Moines who hasn't like left his

696
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.760
<v Speaker 2>garage in ten years. I mean, like there are lots

697
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.480
<v Speaker 2>of things that they're still keeping it together because they

698
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>have the old school knowledge that never got passed on.

699
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Partially their fault, but they're the ones that have it,

700
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 2>but also because they're the ones who still believe in

701
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.400
<v Speaker 2>responsibility to the system as such, even the liberals believe

702
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>in that. To some sense, what I think is happening

703
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 2>is we are going to see the end of the

704
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.119
<v Speaker 2>left and the birth of many rights. I mean, one

705
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.079
<v Speaker 2>of the things that I always say is that everybody's

706
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>a blood and soil nationalist for the people they actually like. Now,

707
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:13.880
<v Speaker 2>to some extent, you could say that's a bit of

708
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.519
<v Speaker 2>an exaggeration. When you look at people in mostly white

709
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>states in this country, the way liberals behave in these areas,

710
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.880
<v Speaker 2>you could say, Okay, well, they're blood soil nationalists when

711
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.880
<v Speaker 2>it comes to their neighborhoods or something like that. Fine, maybe,

712
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.360
<v Speaker 2>but it's not quite the same thing, right, But once

713
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>you have a majority non white America, which we continue

714
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.039
<v Speaker 2>to move forward despite some of the demographic changes that

715
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration has been able to do. When you

716
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 2>see these anti ice protests in Los Angeles, when you

717
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 2>see the way the Palestine flag is used in England,

718
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.760
<v Speaker 2>it's not even really about Palestine so much as an

719
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>expression of territorial ownership over parts of England. When you

720
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:54.639
<v Speaker 2>see the way that the Mexican president talks about having

721
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.639
<v Speaker 2>sovereignty over the forty million Mexicans who live in this country,

722
00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:59.800
<v Speaker 2>and how they are the ones who made America great

723
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.360
<v Speaker 2>and we apparently did not. None of these are really

724
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 2>leftist movements. They're all essentially ultra right movements for their

725
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:11.440
<v Speaker 2>own kind, and white people are sort of left out

726
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of this because we basically have this cultural baked in

727
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.280
<v Speaker 2>assumption that well, no matter what happens, we're all basically

728
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.559
<v Speaker 2>going to stay in charge in some way. Like, Yeah,

729
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.239
<v Speaker 2>there are these colorful little neighborhoods, but they're sort of

730
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.480
<v Speaker 2>like Chinatown. You can go to them once in a while.

731
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they affect politics on the margins, but it's not

732
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.360
<v Speaker 2>fundamentally their country. We're still going to determine how it works.

733
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.239
<v Speaker 2>That is just not true anymore. That is what really

734
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.280
<v Speaker 2>goes with the boomers. And as a result, America is

735
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.119
<v Speaker 2>going to become far less high trust than even it

736
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>is now, far more dysfunctional, far poor, far less competent,

737
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 2>and you're going to see a lot more of these

738
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 2>cases that you see cropping up in government all the time,

739
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.639
<v Speaker 2>where you see people just giving away military or industrial

740
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 2>secrets to foreign powers, or just not doing their job,

741
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.519
<v Speaker 2>or engaging in this kind of brazen corruption that just

742
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have occurred to even a liberal boomer forty years ago,

743
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>just because that's not the kind of thing that you do.

744
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 2>And in that chaos, there's going to be a lot

745
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of opportunity, but make no mistake, we are still the

746
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>population that has the lowest ethnocentrism, and therefore, unless we

747
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 2>develop it very quickly, we're just going to get eaten.

748
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.000
<v Speaker 1>An example that springs to mind is sort of a

749
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess a rough analog to how we started the conversation.

750
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember what the judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse

751
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:33.639
<v Speaker 1>case looked like?

752
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Exactly? That's exactly what I'm talking about. I mean, I

753
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 2>was talking to somebody about who had been through some

754
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>various legal adventures, and we were talking kind of a

755
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 2>vanguard activist and everything else, but he had been through it,

756
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.199
<v Speaker 2>and we were talking about like, well, you know, given

757
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:49.880
<v Speaker 2>like your stance and everything else, what do you think

758
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.119
<v Speaker 2>about elections and this sort of thing? And he said, look,

759
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's one thing to say what politics doesn't

760
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.360
<v Speaker 2>matter and this party's compromise and there's nothing we can

761
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>do and everything else. But here's the thing. If you're

762
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 2>dragged before a judge, you better hope to god it

763
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 2>is a white guy appointed by the Republicans, because then

764
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the law still might matter the other side if they

765
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 2>screw up some filing, if they get evidence the wrong way.

766
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 2>If they do something wrong, he might just let you

767
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 2>go like the law still means something as such, you

768
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.320
<v Speaker 2>get brought before one of these Star Wars judges, you

769
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.719
<v Speaker 2>might as well not even show up. You'd probably be

770
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.000
<v Speaker 2>better off just fleeing the country. There is quite literally

771
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>no hope. There is nothing you can do because in

772
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.639
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the world, that is how government works,

773
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.360
<v Speaker 2>that's how the law works. It's essentially just a weapon

774
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.800
<v Speaker 2>that you use on behalf of your group. And that

775
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 2>is the world that we are moving toward. And if

776
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>you look at a lot of the judges that Joe

777
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Biden appointed, I mean a staggering number of them were

778
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.960
<v Speaker 2>black females. I mean, I'll put it to you directly,

779
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.840
<v Speaker 2>regardless of what you did or didn't do, if you

780
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 2>got dragged before a black female judge, you already know

781
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:00.760
<v Speaker 2>you're cooked. It doesn't matter what the facts are.

782
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think we've all seen this happen in the

783
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:09.159
<v Speaker 1>workplace where you see your boss and you already know

784
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:11.920
<v Speaker 1>how it's going to go, how you're going to be treated,

785
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 1>what the power dynamic is going to be like. And okay,

786
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're a particularly liberal person, you may

787
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:25.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of whip yourself over that conclusion, but you're not wrong. Again,

788
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 1>we see the same dynamic. Everyone understands this. It's just well,

789
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 1>do you want to say it or not? I mean again,

790
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.760
<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about this question of does politics matter,

791
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.599
<v Speaker 1>I think that, especially on the Internet, it's easy to

792
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:48.159
<v Speaker 1>adopt a certain tactical nihilism. I don't care. It won't

793
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 1>affect me, but to your point, well, it does affect you.

794
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Your life will change, particularly in a time of crisis.

795
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:00.559
<v Speaker 1>The medical system is a great example, right, Sometimes you

796
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.480
<v Speaker 1>don't get to choose when you interact with it. It

797
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>would enforce itself upon you. If you get in a

798
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.519
<v Speaker 1>car accident, you end up at the er, even if

799
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 1>you're unconscious. And a DEI doctor from Howard University, well,

800
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>guess what, you might not make it.

801
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Similarly in Indian Judge that happened the or Indian Judge

802
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Indian doctor that happened the other day where they they

803
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.320
<v Speaker 2>hooked up the heart backwards, then they put it in

804
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the wrong way and almost killed this person. And of

805
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:33.880
<v Speaker 2>course then a real doctor came in there. I was like, oh,

806
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:35.519
<v Speaker 2>you can't do that and put it back. And it's

807
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>just this is what just happened. I mean, god knows,

808
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>you see only these cases that come out of the

809
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 2>NHS and everything like that. I would say even more

810
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.679
<v Speaker 2>than the medical system, I mean, the legal system is

811
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.360
<v Speaker 2>really where you encounterpower. Because you can say I'm not

812
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 2>going to get involved in politics, I'm not going to

813
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 2>run for office, I'm not going to touch any of this.

814
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you can avoid a lot of trouble if

815
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>you say, like, look, I don't want to work with

816
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.360
<v Speaker 2>a compromise party because it's just going to bring me trouble.

817
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.119
<v Speaker 2>You're fundamentally right, like it is going to bring you trouble.

818
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Your life will be less stressful if you don't do

819
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:07.480
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. But that doesn't mean you're going

820
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.599
<v Speaker 2>to remain isolated from the legal system. There are all

821
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 2>sorts of reasons you might get dragged into that, and

822
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:14.840
<v Speaker 2>once you're in front of those judges, it's going to

823
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.360
<v Speaker 2>matter quite a bit whether it was a Republican or

824
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:18.920
<v Speaker 2>a Democrat who appointed that person.

825
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, to go back to the boomers, right, one of

826
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 1>the great lines from the protest movement was you don't

827
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.599
<v Speaker 1>care about the war, but the war cares about you.

828
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Politics doesn't particularly take your consent into the picture, it

829
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 1>will happen. Power will make itself known. Obviously on the

830
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.559
<v Speaker 1>most basic level, with the sort of an arco tyranny

831
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that Sam Francis talked about that say what you will. Okay,

832
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.280
<v Speaker 1>you know you and I are both physically fit men

833
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:55.440
<v Speaker 1>were not exactly prime targets. But there's a material difference

834
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<v Speaker 1>between living in a fairly rural part of our.

835
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.519
<v Speaker 2>State and.

836
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>More enriched areas. Right, that can make itself known. I

837
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.519
<v Speaker 1>mean again, Metcalf was.

838
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.039
<v Speaker 2>In pretty good shape, and what good did it do?

839
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>The exactly right And I understand the instinct right, the

840
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:21.760
<v Speaker 1>drive for purity, the drive to have something uncompromised. I

841
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 1>sympathize with that. But on a very basic level, Kevin,

842
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:30.039
<v Speaker 1>when we look at the demographic trends, the consequences for

843
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 1>losing even on a small local level, I don't know

844
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>if we have the luxury of purity anymore, at least

845
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.440
<v Speaker 1>in a political sense. I don't think we have the

846
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 1>luxury of setting it out waiting for the perfect opportunity

847
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.119
<v Speaker 1>to arise. Because even simply if we adopt this sort

848
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:54.719
<v Speaker 1>of Ben Garrison kind of boomer Tard Maga mindset, if

849
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:56.960
<v Speaker 1>you were only that far down the rabbit hole. You

850
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 1>understand that when things go blue, it sticks, they don't

851
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 1>like to lose. They will engineer the procedure so that

852
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 1>they don't really have to be a real political party.

853
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look at what's happened in La Yes, exactly right,

854
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly that you will not be afforded a position, at

855
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.119
<v Speaker 1>least easily through traditional means. I'll put that caveat on

856
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:26.320
<v Speaker 1>it to win that ground back, and that is uncomfortable

857
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 1>in certain instances. Right there are positions where I really

858
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>don't like xyz figure a failed governor in win some

859
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Earl sears a particularly relevant example. But nonetheless, politics has

860
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.760
<v Speaker 1>become existential, and one of the frustrations I think that

861
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>many people feel with the boomers is that they grew up,

862
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>they formed their political understanding in an era where politics

863
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.679
<v Speaker 1>was not existential. It didn't seem like it mattered that

864
00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:00.119
<v Speaker 1>much because we still had a cohesive culture.

865
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 2>We have an ethnic.

866
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Majority, we had a common understanding of how people are

867
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.559
<v Speaker 1>to act, and certainly there were radically different expressions of that.

868
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to pretend that the past was a

869
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, a sort of halcyon age of

870
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.800
<v Speaker 1>political good feelings, not at all.

871
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:19.960
<v Speaker 2>But to say, as.

872
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Politics becomes more and more nakedly identitarian, well we start

873
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to enter the Schmidian state of politics, where those two frames,

874
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:35.119
<v Speaker 1>those two mutually contradictory understandings of the world, they will

875
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:38.079
<v Speaker 1>not and cannot coexist, right.

876
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you look at Vietnam, the one thing

877
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I I would push back a little bit was when

878
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 2>they said, like, well, it didn't have the same high stakes.

879
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you did have Vietnam, but it should be

880
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>noted that, of course, who are the people who are

881
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.800
<v Speaker 2>most identified with the resistance of that war was precisely

882
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:53.719
<v Speaker 2>the people who were going to college and therefore didn't

883
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 2>have to worry about the draft as much. And also

884
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that went away once they got rid

885
00:48:57.239 --> 00:48:59.880
<v Speaker 2>of the draft entirely. If you look at what was

886
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 2>going on in the seventies, late sixties, early seventies, we're

887
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.079
<v Speaker 2>all familiar with the book Days of Rage. I mean,

888
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:09.440
<v Speaker 2>you had a level of political violence that is far

889
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.960
<v Speaker 2>beyond anything we can even imagine in the America of today.

890
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.760
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think that's because America is less divided today.

891
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I think America is more divided. It's just that we

892
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.119
<v Speaker 2>almost don't have the courage to actually fight in the

893
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.280
<v Speaker 2>way people did even a couple generations ago. It's all

894
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:28.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of a game of illusions. It's a game of media.

895
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:33.760
<v Speaker 2>We wield power indirectly. Nobody's planting bombs instead, people are

896
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:37.360
<v Speaker 2>getting unqualified people appointed to be district attorney and then

897
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.960
<v Speaker 2>locking them up in jail for thirty years under the

898
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:43.639
<v Speaker 2>guise of process. And in a way, it's far more

899
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.639
<v Speaker 2>difficult to sort of find your way through this because

900
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.639
<v Speaker 2>what's really remarkable, and this is the primary characteristic of

901
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.840
<v Speaker 2>power in our age, is that the system, the institutions,

902
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:58.159
<v Speaker 2>the way things are done has not changed very much

903
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>on the surface. American constitution still applies. Even if you

904
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.679
<v Speaker 2>look at an antaricho tyranny nightmare like the United Kingdom,

905
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the king is quite literally still on his throne. The

906
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.800
<v Speaker 2>British constitution in some way still functions. All the old

907
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:15.400
<v Speaker 2>forms are there, albeit with a couple changes, like the

908
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.840
<v Speaker 2>way they got rid of that traditional peers in the

909
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 2>House of Lords and that kind of thing. But you

910
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.440
<v Speaker 2>could be forgiven if you are a World War two

911
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 2>vet living out your last years and saying, yeah, Britain

912
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.039
<v Speaker 2>is still here. There will always be in England, and

913
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 2>yet we understand it's a complete one to eighty in

914
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:35.440
<v Speaker 2>substance for what existed before. I think what really distinguishes,

915
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:39.079
<v Speaker 2>I would say millennials and younger from the Boomers is

916
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 2>that the Boomers really confuse the form with the thing itself.

917
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 2>If you are still appealing to the Constitution, if the

918
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the formal rituals of process are still being obeyed, then

919
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 2>fundamentally nothing has really changed, regardless of what race the

920
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.280
<v Speaker 2>judge is, regardless of whether the district attorney is a

921
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.000
<v Speaker 2>communist to says that we should get rid of the

922
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.840
<v Speaker 2>police and that kind of thing. The process will still work,

923
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:06.760
<v Speaker 2>You can still expect justice. Everything is going to be fine.

924
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I think younger people understand that's just not true at all,

925
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 2>that power moves through institutions, and that the fundamental error

926
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Speaker 2>of our founders, although one I think they can be

927
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 2>forgiven for because how could they have anticipated this sort

928
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:24.719
<v Speaker 2>of thing. Is this idea that institutions can actually regulate

929
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.639
<v Speaker 2>the flow of power and the competition for power, when

930
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.440
<v Speaker 2>that is not true. Its networks, it's tribes, it's ethnic groups.

931
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 2>That is the way power is exercised, and that goes

932
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:38.880
<v Speaker 2>through institutions and even the barrier between what constitutes the

933
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.280
<v Speaker 2>government and the private sector these days, that's almost irrelevant.

934
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, to sort of paraphrase Nietzsche, God is

935
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 1>dead and we have killed the old civic religion. No

936
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.760
<v Speaker 1>one believes in it anymore. That old sort of cohesive

937
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:00.199
<v Speaker 1>fabric is well and truly gone. In both your in

938
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:04.360
<v Speaker 1>my life, the temple was empty, there were no miracles,

939
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>the God was dead. It was sort of this rote

940
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 1>sort of set of civic religious rights that everyone went through.

941
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:17.639
<v Speaker 1>And once that's done, well, that's well and truly done.

942
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:21.000
<v Speaker 1>It's over. There's no way to bring the magic back

943
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 1>to repair this. And I think that that's what makes

944
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Trump's kind of trying to do right. I mean, Trump

945
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.760
<v Speaker 1>in the end is a boomer oh one hundred percent,

946
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and the deep irony about that and maybe sort of

947
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a of sort of just Diddy in parallel here, not

948
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:44.440
<v Speaker 1>looking to defend anyone, but in striving to return, he

949
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.679
<v Speaker 1>has made it impossible to return. He's well and truly

950
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:50.639
<v Speaker 1>killed it. Like look, right, I'm not looking to drag

951
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.079
<v Speaker 1>this into a discussion about Israel and anti Semitism, but

952
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:59.400
<v Speaker 1>in that state religion of anti fascism, What is the

953
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:04.440
<v Speaker 1>central of what is the crucifixion exactly? And that has

954
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:09.679
<v Speaker 1>really in the Trump presidency been well and truly desacralized.

955
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 1>It is fully, at least for people under a certain age,

956
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.320
<v Speaker 1>out of the realm of the sacred, down to the

957
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.519
<v Speaker 1>point where you have And this is a stupid example,

958
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 1>but UFC champion Sean Strickland, a professional athlete, joking about this, right,

959
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.639
<v Speaker 1>editing the people he's beefing with, giving them curls in

960
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.920
<v Speaker 1>a prominent nose. And Okay, that's stupid, that doesn't matter.

961
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:36.639
<v Speaker 1>But even for an edgy figure, he's not getting demolished

962
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:40.440
<v Speaker 1>for this. He's not getting dragged through the mud. The

963
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.920
<v Speaker 1>general consensus is it's a bit edgy, but it's funny.

964
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.679
<v Speaker 1>It entered the realm of comedy. I mean, Dad died

965
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:49.719
<v Speaker 1>in the Holly and all that kind of thing. I mean,

966
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you see these sorts of jokes and songs and everything

967
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.599
<v Speaker 1>else everywhere. I mean, the question becomes, though, I mean

968
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.079
<v Speaker 1>that not to get into the whole debate, tired debate

969
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.440
<v Speaker 1>over Third worldism and whatever else. The question is, is

970
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the Jewish or Israeli exemption to anti fascism being revoked

971
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:10.800
<v Speaker 1>because as I'm sure we don't need to go over

972
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:14.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the left wing case against Israel is not that,

973
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.880
<v Speaker 1>oh they're chosen and special, and then you know there's

974
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.159
<v Speaker 1>this complicated thing around it. It's that, no, it's actually

975
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 1>just another white settler colonial state and they're behaving like

976
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 1>fascist and this is bad that they have. Essentially net

977
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and Yahoo is a Nazi, So we still have the

978
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.480
<v Speaker 1>same religion. It's just you don't get an exception to that.

979
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Now in some ways, that religion is still it's still there,

980
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:41.039
<v Speaker 2>it's still being reinforced in some ways. It reminds me

981
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:45.159
<v Speaker 2>of the way Russia tries to justify its attack on Ukraine.

982
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 2>What is the problem with Ukraine. It's governed by a

983
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Nazi regime. Western Europe is governed by a Nazi regime.

984
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.440
<v Speaker 2>This is the Great Patriotic War all over again. We

985
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.119
<v Speaker 2>are still trapped in the long twentieth century. We are

986
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 2>still refighting World War Two over and over again. But

987
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:01.800
<v Speaker 2>you can see the other side of it. I mean,

988
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:04.519
<v Speaker 2>even President Trump talks about this, talks in this way,

989
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:08.079
<v Speaker 2>talks about like this World War II style narrative. Nobody

990
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.440
<v Speaker 2>is going to think about World War Two with anything

991
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:13.239
<v Speaker 2>other than a war that happened in the past, and

992
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 2>insofar as people take a giant lesson from it now,

993
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 2>even something like anti fascism, it means something subtly different

994
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:22.599
<v Speaker 2>than what it meant to the people who fought it

995
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.559
<v Speaker 2>and the generations that came afterward. I think it's now

996
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.159
<v Speaker 2>going to be fought basically on racial lines. And now,

997
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 2>of course you would expect me to say that, right,

998
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.519
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of my job. But this is also how

999
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:36.119
<v Speaker 2>I think it's playing out in terms of where the

1000
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:41.159
<v Speaker 2>coalitions are. We don't really talk about totalitarianism anymore. If

1001
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you notice, nobody really talks about, like, well, the problem

1002
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.519
<v Speaker 2>with Nazism was really, in some way it's the same

1003
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:49.800
<v Speaker 2>as communism. This is a very boomer thing to say,

1004
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:54.400
<v Speaker 2>because it was restricting human freedom and government was overwhelming

1005
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:58.559
<v Speaker 2>and restricted what people could think and what they could say. Now,

1006
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.159
<v Speaker 2>pretty much every liberal says that the government should actually

1007
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:03.199
<v Speaker 2>tell you what you should think and what you should say,

1008
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.000
<v Speaker 2>and that is actually a criminal offense if you think

1009
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.119
<v Speaker 2>or say the wrong things. So we don't really talk

1010
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:11.960
<v Speaker 2>about totalitarianism anymore because to some extent that's just not

1011
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.400
<v Speaker 2>a debate. I mean, with the kind of technology that

1012
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.440
<v Speaker 2>we have now. To some extent, just about everybody except

1013
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:22.559
<v Speaker 2>a kind of primitivist, considers themselves essentially a tatalitarian. If

1014
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:26.840
<v Speaker 2>you think about the way anti fascism is set up now,

1015
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:31.400
<v Speaker 2>it has less to do with well, we're opposing militarism,

1016
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:35.000
<v Speaker 2>because even military action is something that's practically mandatory to

1017
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:38.199
<v Speaker 2>pit for some people, certainly for some liberals. I mean,

1018
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.360
<v Speaker 2>look how many Ukraine flags you see everywhere on these

1019
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 2>liberals on social media. But it has more to do

1020
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:49.039
<v Speaker 2>with what we're opposing white supremacy. We're opposing white institutions,

1021
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.280
<v Speaker 2>We're opposing ultimately the existence of white nations as such.

1022
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:58.639
<v Speaker 2>And so even something like Churchill or de Gaul, these

1023
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:03.679
<v Speaker 2>are fascist figures. They are morally indistinguishable from Hitler in

1024
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:07.199
<v Speaker 2>some ways. In fact, they may even be worse because

1025
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 2>of the Look at what Churchill did to the Indians.

1026
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Look at where de Gaul's you know, Free French Empire

1027
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:15.440
<v Speaker 2>was based. It was operating out of Africa, it was

1028
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.920
<v Speaker 2>dependent on on colonialism. Look at the Belgian Congo, look

1029
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.519
<v Speaker 2>at all of these horrible things. In fact, I think

1030
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.400
<v Speaker 2>it was joy Reid who said something along the lines

1031
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:26.679
<v Speaker 2>of well, the Holocaust was just a bunch of white

1032
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:29.480
<v Speaker 2>people killing a bunch of other white people. Now you

1033
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 2>can snicker at that, but I think for the new

1034
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.079
<v Speaker 2>American majority, that is how they think about it, and

1035
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 2>that is all they think about it. But that doesn't

1036
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>mean that the old civic religion is essentially going to

1037
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.800
<v Speaker 2>go away. It's almost like a heretical version of it

1038
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:48.199
<v Speaker 2>is being developed, and then that's going to become the

1039
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:48.760
<v Speaker 2>new faith.

1040
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I realized I've started about six different sectarian conflicts

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00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:56.559
<v Speaker 1>in this podcast alone, but you've.

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<v Speaker 2>Already kicked off like the Third Irish War, so we

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00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:00.599
<v Speaker 2>might as well start one in the Middle least too.

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<v Speaker 1>But functionally, we're witnessing the birth of Protestant anti fascism.

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<v Speaker 1>It's identifiably the same in a broad context. It's not Hinduism,

1046
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 1>but it's a stark departure. We see new figures. I

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00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:18.719
<v Speaker 1>think it's important to mention you and I were joking

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00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 1>earlier about MLK. MLKA has moved out of the pantheon.

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<v Speaker 1>No one, yeah, functionally other than American conservatives care about

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00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.360
<v Speaker 1>him anymore, and why And they don't even care about

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00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:33.760
<v Speaker 1>the real moka. I mean, they care about the MLK

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00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that was sold to me when I was coming up

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<v Speaker 1>in the conservative movement. They care about Reagan's Yeah, He's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan's MLK.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. He was a patriotic American. He just

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00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:48.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted to fulfill the vision of the Founding Fathers. I mean,

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00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:51.360
<v Speaker 2>weirdly enough, this is one of the things that suggests

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00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.760
<v Speaker 2>that we're going to into a different era. If you

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00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:57.199
<v Speaker 2>talk to some anti fond for some reason, you're not

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00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.280
<v Speaker 2>in a fistfight or something. You'll both agree on what

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00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the Founding Fathers actually believed. Like, you're both going to

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00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.039
<v Speaker 2>agree that they were racist. You just have different opinions

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00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:09.000
<v Speaker 2>about what that might mean. But a boomer conservative and

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00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:11.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe even a boomer liberal, they're not going to understand

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00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:13.159
<v Speaker 2>what you're getting out with that. I mean, you're going

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00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:15.800
<v Speaker 2>to see that with the celebrations such as it is

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00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:18.360
<v Speaker 2>that's coming up for the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary

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<v Speaker 2>and some of the rhetoric that is being tossed around,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody buys any of it except the boomers. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Another just to put a coda on this, the same

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00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:41.719
<v Speaker 1>sort of set of cultural taboos around World War Two

1072
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<v Speaker 1>that are going away are also going away. With regards

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00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 1>to white ethnic chauvinism. We're in the early nation stages

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<v Speaker 1>of this. It's not done yet, certainly not.

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<v Speaker 2>Weirdly enough, it's much easier. Weirdly enough, it's easier to

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01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:03.039
<v Speaker 2>be antisemitic than it is to be pro white. Have

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01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.760
<v Speaker 2>you noticed this. You can be on you can be

1078
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.440
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube and it will be fine. You're still gonna

1079
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:13.280
<v Speaker 2>get censored. If you're like, Israel's bad because it's getting

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01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 2>in the way of white majority states, that'll.

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01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Get you kicked off. But if you're just like Israel's

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01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:19.800
<v Speaker 1>bad like that, that's kind of fine. You can get

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01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:23.679
<v Speaker 1>away with that, no problem. Well, you're entirely correct, But

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<v Speaker 1>in my mind, the primary thing you and I are

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01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:31.639
<v Speaker 1>interested in is trend lines. Where are things going? Because

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01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.400
<v Speaker 1>look like if we stayed in this eternal present forever,

1087
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:38.880
<v Speaker 1>we'd be screwed. But just as we look towards national

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01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.119
<v Speaker 1>birth rates right, the changing demography and say, well in

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01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:46.079
<v Speaker 1>twenty years, where does that leave us? In my mind?

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01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Shiloh Hendrix. The reaction to the Carmelo Anthony verdict, where look,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've seen even more bad behavior. A random

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01:00:56.920 --> 01:00:59.800
<v Speaker 1>old white guy was beat up outside the courthouse allegedly

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01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:02.079
<v Speaker 1>for being on the jury. It may surprise you that

1094
01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:05.840
<v Speaker 1>was not exactly a rigorous evaluation. It was just an

1095
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:09.400
<v Speaker 1>old white guy that got punched. But you were seeing

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01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:13.639
<v Speaker 1>more and more that as white people become a minority,

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01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:17.039
<v Speaker 1>they are starting to view themselves as a minority. There

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01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:19.400
<v Speaker 1>are pros and cons to that. Look, I would love

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01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.239
<v Speaker 1>to live under the demography of nineteen twenty two. We

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01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:26.840
<v Speaker 1>don't have that advantage, right, and so even in a

1101
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.360
<v Speaker 1>situation that's very, very grim, there's at least a spot

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01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of hope to it. I mean, it's not great, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's better than at least I would have expected.

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<v Speaker 2>Arguably necessary. I mean, even during the twenty sixteen campaign,

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01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 2>there was an interesting trend that was developing. Do you

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01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.320
<v Speaker 2>remember when it was basically down to Trump v. Cruz

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01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.000
<v Speaker 2>during the Republican Primer, And what they found was that

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01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:50.320
<v Speaker 2>in the more diverse areas, Trump won and in the

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01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:53.719
<v Speaker 2>less diverse areas, the wider areas cruise one. This makes

1110
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:57.480
<v Speaker 2>sense because Trump, especially the way he was interpreted in

1111
01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:01.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, was basically a white identity figure. He was

1112
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:03.960
<v Speaker 2>going to take a hard line on immigration. This was

1113
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:07.840
<v Speaker 2>smash mouth politics. This was ethnic politics, this was identitarian politics.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are more studies that back this up. When

1115
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:15.920
<v Speaker 2>whites are told that they are a minority or becoming

1116
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.159
<v Speaker 2>a minority, their political views subtly change. It's not like

1117
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:23.159
<v Speaker 2>a total reversal, but it's enough that it's measurable, sort

1118
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:24.840
<v Speaker 2>of the way you know, you've seen the study where

1119
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:27.760
<v Speaker 2>if like a moderate Democrat has given testosterone, they become

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<v Speaker 2>more conservative. It's not like an instant in oh, one

1121
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:34.800
<v Speaker 2>eighty and whatever, no, but it's it's something, it's significant,

1122
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.599
<v Speaker 2>it starts them down a certain road. This is what

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01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:41.239
<v Speaker 2>is happening to white people now. The problem is that

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<v Speaker 2>this is also I do not think the next great

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<v Speaker 2>wave is going to be pro white politics. I think

1126
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:49.760
<v Speaker 2>the next great wave is going to be what a

1127
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of conservative ink types called gay race communism, where

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<v Speaker 2>essentially it's this sort of vague anti white socialism, but

1129
01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.119
<v Speaker 2>weirdly enough, a lot of white people are going to

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<v Speaker 2>buy into it. This is what I think is happening

1131
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:02.920
<v Speaker 2>in Maine. This is what I think is happening in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these congressional races, because yeah, white people

1133
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.679
<v Speaker 2>are so beaten down. Young white people, especially people who

1134
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:14.599
<v Speaker 2>went to the universities and think they deserve a job

1135
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.400
<v Speaker 2>as a kind of elite, as a kind of manager.

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<v Speaker 2>But they can't get these kinds of things. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you are offered nothing but slop, if you are not

1138
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.639
<v Speaker 2>even slop, if you're offered nothing at all, you are

1139
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:28.039
<v Speaker 2>going to choose socialism because at least that offers you something.

1140
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.639
<v Speaker 2>You're still going to come out behind compared to everybody else,

1141
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:33.119
<v Speaker 2>but it's more than what you have now, and plus

1142
01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:37.559
<v Speaker 2>you get the resentful, spiteful pleasure of seeing your betters humbled.

1143
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a there's a line I think I've

1144
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:41.519
<v Speaker 2>quoted this dude before in Malcolm X, which I think

1145
01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:43.840
<v Speaker 2>is one of the great racial nationalist movies of all time,

1146
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.199
<v Speaker 2>where Elijah Muhammad is talking to Malcolm X, and he says, look,

1147
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:50.920
<v Speaker 2>he pours ink into a glass and a glass of water,

1148
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:53.199
<v Speaker 2>and he says, look, if you offer this to the

1149
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:57.000
<v Speaker 2>people and nothing else, like, they'll drink it if they're thirsty.

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01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.880
<v Speaker 2>This is basically what this kind of anti white socialism

1151
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.159
<v Speaker 2>is offering to struggling young white people right now. Their

1152
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.199
<v Speaker 2>patriotism has already shattered, They already don't believe in the

1153
01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:10.280
<v Speaker 2>oldness of American nationalism. A lot of them aren't quite

1154
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.920
<v Speaker 2>on board yet with what we might call pro white identitarianism.

1155
01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Why not get on board with this thing and try

1156
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.920
<v Speaker 2>to be a part of the winning team. I think

1157
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.480
<v Speaker 2>that's the next big political trend that we're going to

1158
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:24.159
<v Speaker 2>be facing, and it's triumph for at least the beginning

1159
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.679
<v Speaker 2>of its triumph may be at hand in the midterm elections.

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01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.239
<v Speaker 2>What happens between them and twenty twenty eight is a

1161
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:29.960
<v Speaker 2>separate question.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Kevin, this has been a great conversation. I really

1163
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:38.599
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it. We've mentioned, of course, your show Identity Politics,

1164
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.119
<v Speaker 1>which I know is on YouTube and Rumble. Do I

1165
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:41.760
<v Speaker 1>have that correct?

1166
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Correct? The livestreams are seven pm on Rumble seven pm Eastern.

1167
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:48.519
<v Speaker 2>We're going to be rolling them out on Mondays at

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01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the same time, probably in a couple weeks or so.

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01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I just got a lot of trouble I got to

1170
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:53.760
<v Speaker 2>take care of in the short term, and then we

1171
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:56.199
<v Speaker 2>do it a Tuesday and Wednesday during a recorded thing.

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01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:59.639
<v Speaker 2>If you go to Cofi Identity Politics, we do bonus

1173
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:01.559
<v Speaker 2>episode that you can sign up for, and of course

1174
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:05.239
<v Speaker 2>everything is available at amran dot com. It is fundamentally

1175
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:09.639
<v Speaker 2>a Project of American Renaissance. Well, of course, I think

1176
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.639
<v Speaker 2>y'all should head over there. Recently did an episode with

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01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Greg Bob Bavino. That's one of your people's names. I

1178
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:19.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I mispronounced that. Yeah, we'll say in America.

1179
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:22.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, like these the Romans, we are they now

1180
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:23.199
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at them.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that was a great episode. I'm not quite

1182
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.880
<v Speaker 1>done with it. Recommend that as a starting place again, Kevin.

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01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.320
<v Speaker 1>It was a ton of fun. Everyone at home, keep

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01:05:33.360 --> 01:06:05.559
<v Speaker 1>your head up. I can't last forever. Good Night.