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<v Speaker 1>Oh, everybody, welcome Jumi Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony Gerdaman

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<v Speaker 1>here as always with Tom or Tom, how's it going, Tony?

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<v Speaker 2>Time for another one of your patented overreaction shows where

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about the offense and then Tony tells us

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<v Speaker 2>whether Ohio State should just cancel the season because they're

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna go oh to twelve, or whether the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the college football world should cancel the season because

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State is an unstoppable sixteen and oh juggernaut that

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<v Speaker 2>can be stopped. Tony, which one is it? Or do

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<v Speaker 2>we need to let people wait till the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We can go right now eighteen and zero. Good night, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>So take that Mercury Morris.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pop that champagne. Tom. We did a show where

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<v Speaker 1>I over reacted to the first two days seeing the defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this show is probably gonna air after day three,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still just based on the first two days.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that I'm going to overreact.

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<v Speaker 1>The fun stuff is the stuff that I'm overreacting to.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna downplay but then see it and have to

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<v Speaker 1>apologize for downplaying it. So I like the timing of

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<v Speaker 1>this one. The juxtaposition of timing and opinions and overreactions,

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<v Speaker 1>under reactions and then the media culpa coming from you

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<v Speaker 1>or the ua culpa. I guess it would be, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be fascinating theater.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the idea that this is theater because as

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<v Speaker 2>you were saying that, I was thinking of like those,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the theater masks that they have where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the one is the laughing face and the one

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<v Speaker 2>is the sad face, and it's like doing the YouTuber

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<v Speaker 2>face with me with one side is looking ah, one

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<v Speaker 2>side of his meeting hmmmm. And that's me overreacting or

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<v Speaker 2>underreacting to your overreactions, whether I was correct or you

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<v Speaker 2>were correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for giving me the image for the thumbnail.

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<v Speaker 1>My first overreaction is Tom, I think Isaiah West is

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<v Speaker 1>going for a thousand yards this year. Now. He was

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<v Speaker 1>running with the ones on Friday practice too, who knows

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<v Speaker 1>what he's gonna be doing practice three or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>not just because he's running with the ones, he looks

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<v Speaker 1>really really sharp, really really fast, big nimble. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, but Tony, there's no tackling and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>pads and I will say that's your opinion, but I

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<v Speaker 1>will also remind people you had them at like seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty or eight hundred yards this season. So

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<v Speaker 1>do you even think this is an overreaction? At this point?

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<v Speaker 2>I simultaneously think that we don't have enough information to

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<v Speaker 2>make any kind of real material change to our baseline

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<v Speaker 2>expectations for this season, because, as you correctly mentioned and

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<v Speaker 2>then try to disprove later, there is no tackling and

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<v Speaker 2>there is no pads, and you know, the camp setting

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<v Speaker 2>and the early you know, the June camp setting where

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<v Speaker 2>you're not tackling guys to the ground, or the early

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<v Speaker 2>fall camp setting where you're not tackling guys the ground

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<v Speaker 2>is a notoriously difficult time to evaluate running backs. That

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<v Speaker 2>being said, we've had people on our board for basically

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<v Speaker 2>since we launched sort of saying like, Okay, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>deal with Isaiah West? Why do you guys keep talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Isaiah West? And it's like, because people keep talking

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<v Speaker 2>to us about Isaiah. The people in the building keep

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<v Speaker 2>talking to us about Isaiah West, and that, yeah, bo

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson had a great freshman season. They're big expectations for

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<v Speaker 2>Bo Jackson, but Isaiah West, and my general trend on

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<v Speaker 2>all of these is I will probably I generally tend

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<v Speaker 2>to be a little on the low side with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the projections because it's like, this is the time

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<v Speaker 2>of year that everyone goes, Yeah, everyone's gonna throw for

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand yards and run for three thousand yards, and

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<v Speaker 2>the receivers are all gonna have two thousand yards and

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<v Speaker 2>they're all going to score fifty seven touchdowns and it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be the best yearbook ever. And it's like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not typically how these seasons work. There are gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>some people who exceed your expectations and some who don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Isay it was to someone I am firmly prepared to

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<v Speaker 2>have exceed my expectations this year, and he's someone who

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<v Speaker 2>I already have expectations that are probably out of alignment

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<v Speaker 2>with what we saw on the field last year. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's just again based on what we keep hearing about him.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about it about it, I think a day

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<v Speaker 1>or so ago on the buck Einsider's message board, which

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to talk to Iowa State Football, we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it there all the time. Great community, a not

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<v Speaker 1>a hostile community. I will also say, but The question

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<v Speaker 1>was posed, like what percent chance do you give Isaiah

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<v Speaker 1>West to lead the team in rushing? And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is after practice one. I'm like thirty

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<v Speaker 1>leaving today. It's not thirty anymore. It's more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's fifty to fifty. But the the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a Trevon Henderson quinch On Judkins thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>don't talk to Carlos Loughlan about that saying hey, do

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<v Speaker 1>you have another one two punch, because he will remind

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<v Speaker 1>you I got this guy, I got that guy. I

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<v Speaker 1>got this guy. I got that guy. There's no one two,

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<v Speaker 1>there's one, two, three, four five. So don't even if

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<v Speaker 1>you see him if you're at practice one of these days,

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<v Speaker 1>don't even mention it to him. But the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>you've got these two guys. Either one could lead the

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<v Speaker 1>team into rushing any particular day. One could start any

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<v Speaker 1>particular day. But the thing that I've been saying to

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<v Speaker 1>Juck these last few days as well and to you

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<v Speaker 1>as well, I think it's not necessarily who leads the

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<v Speaker 1>team in rushing that is the thing to make the

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<v Speaker 1>most note of. It's who leads and carries that's the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that is, I think that's the real separator. If

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<v Speaker 1>somebody has to do it, That was quin Shawn Judkins

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty four. They both went for a thousand yards.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you could say what Travian Henderson did

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<v Speaker 1>was taking a back seat.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, Travian Henderson. I mean you go back through

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute highlights of that year, and Travian Henderson was

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of a whole lot of them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he had that long touchdown against Oregon, he had the

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<v Speaker 2>long touchdown on the screen against Texas, and then Quenchewn

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<v Speaker 2>Judkins he had his big day in the National Championship game.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that is That is a year where you cannot

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<v Speaker 2>tell the story of that year, even just that postseason

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<v Speaker 2>run without those two guys. Those two guys were crucial,

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<v Speaker 2>huge parts of both of those get you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>three of those games during that run, you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>even include the Tennessee game, And I think Trayveon had

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<v Speaker 2>a touchdown in the Tennessee game too, if I remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like thirty yards or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you know, you can't tell the story of

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<v Speaker 2>that run to the National Championship without either of those guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's going to be probably something similar

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<v Speaker 2>to this. This was I think there was a separate

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<v Speaker 2>thread about this a couple of days ago on the

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<v Speaker 2>UH on the board at Buckeye Insiders dot com and

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<v Speaker 2>someone asked, you know, the percent chance that Isaiah West

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<v Speaker 2>starts game one? And I said, I don't really care

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<v Speaker 2>who starts game one, but the percent chance that he

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<v Speaker 2>has more carries in game one, I think, or more

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<v Speaker 2>yards in game one. I think I was at about

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five maybe forty percent at that point, and I

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<v Speaker 2>nothing has happened since then to dissuade me from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>having that number sort of stay where it is, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe tick up a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom My second overreaction here and brace yourself, buckle in.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Ohire's State has a second first round pick

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<v Speaker 1>to go along with Jeremiah Smith right now, and his

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<v Speaker 1>name is Devin McEwen. And we did our Devin McEuen

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<v Speaker 1>expectation shows, or we're talked about other receivers and we're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe just you've got like three or four

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<v Speaker 1>guys that are gonna between like twenty five and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five receptions including him, and I'd have to go through

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<v Speaker 1>my back in my notebook to find all of the projections.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I have seen these first two days has

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<v Speaker 1>been all of the spring practices that we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>with Jackson Smith and Jigbat and Jeremiah Smith and Garrett Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>just like lighting everybody up, catching everything, doing all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of insane stuff. That's what Devin McEwen has done the

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<v Speaker 1>first days. The first day he looked good. Second day

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<v Speaker 1>he looked incredible. And he's making contested catch over the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>He's making contested catches in the end zone. He's getting open.

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<v Speaker 1>He had one catch where he's going over the middle

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<v Speaker 1>and goes way up high for it. He's six foot

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<v Speaker 1>but he went up and got it, immediately evaded attacker

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<v Speaker 1>with a spin move, and then kicked it into gear.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was like, if that's Garrett Wilson or Chris

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<v Speaker 1>O Lave or Jackson Smith and Jigbtes, I believe it

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<v Speaker 1>because they've done those same things. And so I am way,

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<v Speaker 1>way way in on Devin McEwan. Been you shoot a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand yarder, Like, I'm not saying he's sixteen hundred or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, based on what I've seen these first

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<v Speaker 1>few days, if I'm going to be asked asked to overreact,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremiah Smith has a running mate.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Devin McEwen gets a thousand yards receiving this season,

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<v Speaker 2>and Devin McEwan is a first round or first round

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<v Speaker 2>to Jason Wide receiver in the NFL Draft top forty

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<v Speaker 2>five fifty picks, whatever somewhere in that ring, what does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean for the Ohio State offense this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, that means feels like that was like one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of our big questions is who else is there? And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not you know, without having seen it, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pumping the brakes on this one a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 2>what does that mean for the offense if he is

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<v Speaker 2>playing at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Level with because some of the stuff is coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of the play action and there's no safety over the

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<v Speaker 1>top to help, so it's like he's getting open one

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<v Speaker 1>on one routinely. He's also finding the open zones and

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<v Speaker 1>if that continues with an improved running game, I the

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<v Speaker 1>schedule is still going to be very difficult, though, So

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<v Speaker 1>you give them last year's schedule and you can start

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<v Speaker 1>being talking all of these grandiose things. But if he

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<v Speaker 1>can be that guy, then this offense really, what's the weakness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's kind of my question because going into

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<v Speaker 2>even over the summer, that was kind of my big

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<v Speaker 2>lingering question mark with the offense was I think the

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<v Speaker 2>offensive line they're gonna figure it out. I think Julian

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<v Speaker 2>Saying's gonna be better. I think the running backs are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be better. I think the tight ends are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be perfectly fine. You know what Jeremiah Smith is,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just you gotta find one more guy who

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, you're not looking for another Jeremiah Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>You're looking for another guy who can at least make

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<v Speaker 2>opponents have someone else they got to worry about in

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<v Speaker 2>the passing game other than Jeremiah Smith. If you can

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<v Speaker 2>check that box, then it's like you're really you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>really getting down to, you know, complaints about the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the temperature of your wine fridge on your yacht, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, that's a problem, but I mean that's

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<v Speaker 2>not really as far as problems go, that's not really

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<v Speaker 2>too bad. If you could if you have another wide

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<v Speaker 2>receiver who is in that thousand yard top round two

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<v Speaker 2>rounds of the NFL Draft. Kind of conversation. Boy, that

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<v Speaker 2>that checks one of the big big boxes that I

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<v Speaker 2>have kind of open right now for the offense. And

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<v Speaker 2>again Tony's saying, this kind of want to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see it on Saturday. But go back

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<v Speaker 2>to the intro of the show when Tony's saying, you

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<v Speaker 2>know this is gonna get released by the time you

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<v Speaker 2>hear this, I may already be on board. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm just I'm being the voice of reason

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<v Speaker 2>here once again saying I kind of want to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>But but but I have heard, I have heard the tales,

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<v Speaker 2>Tony from those who have been there, that that there

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<v Speaker 2>may be there may be some some happenings afoot there.

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<v Speaker 2>And the at the easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Position, I did like how you tried to slip in

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<v Speaker 1>the voice of reason once again the second time. Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>once again, I mean, technically you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, but that's the best kind of correct to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Go on, what's your third one?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me just finish on the first round.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing.

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<v Speaker 1>People are saying, well, he's too small this and that

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<v Speaker 1>he's listened to six foot one ninety five over the

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<v Speaker 1>last five years, twenty six wide receivers have been drafted

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<v Speaker 1>in the first round. The average height six foot and

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<v Speaker 1>a half, the average weight one hundred ninety seven pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>So if he can just throw a half an inch

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<v Speaker 2>and two pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and if you grow the right pounds, you got

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<v Speaker 1>the inch right there. I will also say eleven guys

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<v Speaker 1>six foot and under of those twenty six have been

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<v Speaker 1>first rounder. So definitely, Now this is way out with

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<v Speaker 1>this is way overreacting, because I know if he ends

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<v Speaker 1>up like sixteen catches this year, this show will be

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<v Speaker 1>deleted from the internet. It'll be the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>he's been he's been really really good these first two days.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing, I think the tight ends this year is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be better than the tight ends last year.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's true, Like we're not seeing anybody get mulled

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<v Speaker 1>in the running game, but it just they've got they know,

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<v Speaker 1>they played five different guys running with the ones on

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<v Speaker 1>day two, and I know the old saying, if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got five tight ends, you ain't got one. But they

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<v Speaker 1>are they're deep. I asked Nate Roberts if he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>they could be deeper this year, you think, He said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this year than last year. He said, he thinks they

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<v Speaker 1>will be. I said, are you more versatile? He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, this group is way more versatile than it

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<v Speaker 1>was last year. So I think there's some different things

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<v Speaker 1>that you can do with that. Arthur Smith and and

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Day and Keenan Bailey and all those guys can do.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't even know how much of an overreaction

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<v Speaker 1>that says, although you did have two NFL draft picks

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<v Speaker 1>at tight end last.

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<v Speaker 2>Year, yeah, they had. That was and that's that's a

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<v Speaker 2>really like an outlier tight end class to have two

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<v Speaker 2>guys drafted off your team as tight ends one season.

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<v Speaker 2>So that this is another one where I'm a believer

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<v Speaker 2>in the tight ends this year. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Nate Roberts is the guy that I am expecting to

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<v Speaker 2>take a big, big step this year. I saw that

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<v Speaker 2>Hunter Wilson was named to the Mackie Award watch list,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, do they know something or are they

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of looking and going, Well, he did some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff at Northwestern and now he's playing at a school

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<v Speaker 2>that's on TV in bigger places, so maybe yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>he's a guy who has not been able to stay

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<v Speaker 2>healthy when he was on the field last year. We

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<v Speaker 2>saw him against Michigan. He had four catches for eighty

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<v Speaker 2>something yards against Michigan in that game they played at

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<v Speaker 2>Wrigley Field last year. And you watch that, you're like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>if he could do this every game, then yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>then he'd be a thousand yard receiver at tight end.

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<v Speaker 2>Now has he done that every game?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, that was his career high so and this

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<v Speaker 2>is his seventh season of college football, so you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of want to see it on an assistant basis, And

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<v Speaker 2>I he didn't do a ton this spring, but the

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<v Speaker 2>passing game on the whole of the spring was a

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<v Speaker 2>little wonky and a little just a little just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of rickety at times, which that happens in the spring.

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<v Speaker 2>That was one of the things that we were telling

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<v Speaker 2>you don't overreact to the fact that the passing game

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<v Speaker 2>looks a little wonky in the spring, because the passing

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<v Speaker 2>game always looks a little wonky in the spring. This

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<v Speaker 2>is one where I want to see it. Was there

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<v Speaker 2>anything that you've seen in terms of Welsing or Mason

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<v Speaker 2>Williams or Nate Roberts or any of the other guys

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<v Speaker 2>that jumped out to you just from the on field

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<v Speaker 2>portion of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and here's the thing. As I'm going through my notes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I take all kinds of notes as I'm watching

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<v Speaker 1>these practices, and I throw them on the Buckeyinsider's message board.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to see them, become a member

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll see all of this stuff. But as I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going through there, it's just like eighty six with a

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<v Speaker 1>nice catch, eighty four with a good grab in traffic,

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<v Speaker 1>eighty three with the ones, and it's just like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that, and that's why you take notes, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like they're making they're making catches now, no

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<v Speaker 1>catch and run necessarily at this point, but they're catching

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<v Speaker 1>the ball over the middle in traffic and getting tackled

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<v Speaker 1>or tapped or whatever. And first down, move the chains.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all you need really And then what the running

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<v Speaker 1>backs are looking good, So I think it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>give the tight ends some credit there as well. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're running under center quite a bit at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, and they're they're showing the physicality that is necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe I'm the only person in this year of

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<v Speaker 1>the tight end that thinks the tight ends are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be okay, But yeah, just going through my notes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, yeah, he had that, and he did that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did that, so yeah, they're they've been making

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<v Speaker 1>some plays all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, okay, I will keep an eye on that

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday and see. I am expecting some good production

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<v Speaker 2>out of the tight ends this year and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the some of that is really some of the the

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<v Speaker 2>tight end production may be dialed back a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>if they do have two really good wide receivers and

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<v Speaker 2>you do have two really good running backs, because then

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<v Speaker 2>you get into a situation where, well, if you've got

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand yard running backs as you just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>more or less said they were going to have, and

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<v Speaker 2>you have two thousand yard wide receivers as you more

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<v Speaker 2>or less just said they would have, there's only so

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<v Speaker 2>many snaps and so many passes and so many receptions

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<v Speaker 2>to go around with the rest of the team. But

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<v Speaker 2>that would be I am expecting whatever opportunities the tight

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<v Speaker 2>ends have this year for them to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>take advantage of them to whatever, you know, whatever, to

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<v Speaker 2>red they're available.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Brody Lennon had like a twenty five yard touchdown

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<v Speaker 1>down the seam, running with the twos, threes and ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just rotating. So those are my overreactions. Look

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<v Speaker 1>if all of these are crazy, like, I'm not doing

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<v Speaker 1>this for me. Unless I get it right, then I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>look what I did. I'm mainly doing this for the

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<v Speaker 1>people to have an idea of basically what players to

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<v Speaker 1>get mad at when they don't live up to the

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<v Speaker 1>to the to the the expectations. So I apologize for

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<v Speaker 1>feeding into the fear. That was not my intent. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just wanting to talk about some guys I had

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<v Speaker 1>watched and thought, you know what, I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>possibility here. So forgive me for thinking players, the student

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<v Speaker 1>athletes today have possibilities. Am I wrong for that? If

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong for that, then I don't want to be right.

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<v Speaker 3>Happen this time? What about you rushing through a way?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't no one tell me I wish it never then?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing where.

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<v Speaker 3>Where my fa. If you can tell me that's a boy,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all right. We could stee currently that