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Speaker 2: At a book.

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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for another

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livestream episode of the show. I really appreciate it. We've

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all had times where we were alone at night, no

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one else in the house, and something frightening happened. Well,

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depending on what happened to you, I'm sure what happened

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ranges from pretty mild to pretty wild. But I want

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you to imagine for a second whether it would be

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like to be a stay at home mom. You have

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your one year old with you, it's late at night,

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your husband's working because he works the third shift. Well,

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we've all heard those bumps in the night. Well, in

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almost every case it turned out to be nothing, But

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just imagine for a second being in that position. The

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nearest neighbor is really far away. All of a sudden

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you hear the doorknob jiggle. Well, yeah, thumps and bumps

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can happen in the house at night because the house

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is settling or whatever other reason, But doorknobs don't just jiggle.

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If they jiggle, obviously something turned it. Well, imagine how

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much worse it would be when at first you're afraid,

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you're terrified it's a burglar that's about to break in. Well,

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Imagine for a second how you would feel if that

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would have been the better option to what actually happened.

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Imagine for a second what it would be like for

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you to come to the terrifying realization that, no, it's

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not a burglar out there that jiggles the doorknob, it's

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a dog man and you're looking right at it through

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the window. Is it's looking in Well? I can't do

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what happened to tonight's eye, witness any justice or the

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other encounters that she's had. So let's bring her in

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here now. Tiffany, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Hello, good evening.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. You know we really

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appreciate it. Tiffany, please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I am just a country girl from Tiger County,

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born and raised here. I've been here my whole entire life.

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I've rarely, rarely gone out to see much of the world.

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I've been busy, you know, having family, raising my kids.

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Much beyond that. I mean, I don't think I've worked

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for a few places in my life. I've worked for

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an Orthodonos office, something boring, you know, exciting at the

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same time, it's always something new with the kids. And

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I've also worked for a military company, which has been interesting,

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and it's also been good for my family because my

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husband was in Marine Corps and so we get you know,

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it's nice when you have when you know each other's

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work and you can you're able to talk about that

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with the other person. So that's been really nice. Just

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these encounters that I've had throughout my life, they haven't

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been traumatizing. The first one was extremely traumatizing. After that,

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these encounters, they've been They've been a part of our life.

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We've either had to live with him or moved so,

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you know, I told Vic before. We haven't mentioned it

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to our kids. My oldest son, I think he kind

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of knows a little bit because he visits now and

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then you know, he's twenty two years old. He comes

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and goes. Maybe we see him six times the year

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when he comes back home, but he's not here long

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enough and we've never actually talked to him about that.

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There's a very few people that know about this situation,

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and I mean we've kept this in for for quite

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a long time. I mean, as of last week, I

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just told my mother and that's a conversation that I'll

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have a little bit later that ties into one of

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my encounters. But besides that, just small small town girl.

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Ra's in our family and that's about it.

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Speaker 1: It sure sounds to me like you've carved out a

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good life for yourself, so you and your family. But

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it really is a shame those dogmen are around. Of course,

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you said the first one was the only encounter that

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was so terrifying and over the top. But they're still around,

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and you still have concerns about them being around, So

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that definitely does act as a buzzkill to see the least.

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I'm wondering though, Tiffany, you describe yourself as having a

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love heat relationship with them. What do you love about

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dog men?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so I think for the people who

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have not been there, I spend them kind of like

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when I listened to her episode last night. It's a

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majestic thing. I'm telling you, when you see something that

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looks half human, half god, you're not sure what you're

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looking at, and you just want to stare at it

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for hours because you're not certain at what you're seeing.

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I feel like I'm kind of a little bit blessed

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to be able to witness that quite a bit. I

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this fairy tale, this all the crazy like what Heart

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Harry Potter, all that kind of stuff, And to be

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able to actually like witness and be around these things,

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I do find that, like very very interesting. The hate

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part is that I'm still scared to take my kids

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out into our woods. We don't side by side here.

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My husband loves it. We don't do it for a reason,

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and I'll get into that later, but yeah, there's love

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and hate.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that really is a shame here. You've got this

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nice property and everything, and you're hamstrung, Like you said,

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your husband can't go out there and hop in the

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side by side and tear things up out there because

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of the fear of the dog men being around.

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Speaker 2: And we've tried that. We've tried it. It doesn't go

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over very well. And I think, you know, I've always

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wanted to go down to my neighbors. You know, they're

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all half a mile from us, and I want to

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knock on their doors so bad. I wanted to do

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it before this, So you know, if somebody has something

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to add to this, I just I couldn't bring myself

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to it because I don't want to bring attention to,

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you know, to these creatures. I'm scared of what would

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happen to them.

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Speaker 1: Well that's admirable. Here you are you're intimidated buy them,

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but at the same time you're concerned about their well being.

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So yeah, that's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I don't want them in a lab somewhere.

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I don't want them who knows, like, who knows what

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would happen to them. I just they're a being, just

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like any other being, you know. Just let them as

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long as like things are peaceful, and they have been

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for the past, you know, ten years. I'm going to

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leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't need to tell you how unusual it

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would be for an eyewitness such as yourself to have

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that concern about their well being after having been so

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frightened by a dog man, especially when they had that

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first encounter. So yeah, that's really impressive. Touching on something

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you just said. You're concerned that talking about the dog

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men that you've had encounters with around your property will

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make them more likely to come around without telling to

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so any details about your encounters, Tiffany, how many dogmen

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have you seen around your property, and how many encounters

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would you say that you've had.

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Speaker 2: I want to say it would have to be excitse

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talking to my husband about this, including the first one.

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It has to be five total. And I think it's

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not a coincidence. He doesn't think it's a coincidence. I'm

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not saying when we're inside our home, you know, late

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at night, sitting in our bed talking about them, that

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they hear us. We have a beautiful wrapper on porch

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and we love to drink coffee in the morning. We

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love to drink coffee at night like that is what

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we're doing sitting outside when the kids go to bed.

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We have a lot of free time like that, especially me,

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and I've seen a lot. And I'm telling you it's

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after I get done with this, I just want it's

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not a coincidence. It's not like when we talk about them,

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things happen. They I think they hear us. It just

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can't be a coincidence because I don't think. I think

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the universe like you're supposed to look for signs, you know,

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like a lot of my prayers have been answered throughout

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the years, and I believe that you're supposed to look

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for signs, and when it seems it happens more than

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once more than twice more than three times, then it's

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not a coincidence anymore.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what a shame. And by the way, Mike from

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Long Island Bigfoot, thanks so much for the support for

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the done. But yeah, what a shame here. You want

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to sit on your porch and have coffee and just

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enjoy the view and the property, but you can't because

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of these guys being around. At any moment, you might

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have another one pop up. That's just horrible. I don't

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know what to do to stop all this from happening,

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other than telling you that I want you to get

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the best picture of one for me. If they do

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all themselves know, yeah, if you can get a great

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picture to send me, if they know what your thoughts are,

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if they know that's going through your head, they're going

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to be pretty sparse around there.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I was, like, I told my husband,

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I said, I do not want to do the show

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at our house. I said, We're going to your mother

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in lass. I said, I can't. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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I'm just so He's like, I really wouldn't have to

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stay home this weekend I said, I can't do it.

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I'm sorry, I said, we need to go there. I said,

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I just would feel way more comfortable if I wasn't

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at home talking about this.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you have to do to be comfortable doing this,

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you should do. So I'm glad that you did decide

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to leave home and do this. Whether it's going to

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make a difference on them coming back around, I don't know.

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But if they do have the ability to read your thoughts,

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like I said, if they know that Tiffany is actively

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trying to get a good photo of them, I'd be

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awfully surprised if you did have any good opportunities to

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snap a photo.

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Speaker 2: So I know, I always do want to ask my

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neighbors too, because we don't have trail cams up. I

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want to ask them, you know, at one point, like

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I mean, they've lived here just as long as I have, Like,

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have you seen you know, I'm sure at least my

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one neighbor I'm sure has trel cams up. I just

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wonder if he's ever done anything on them, you know,

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because he's an older gentleman. So I just I don't

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want to be that crazy person not counting there for

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asking ask questions.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, I can appreciate that concern, but between

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the two of you, only one of you knows true reality.

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If you are knocking on their door, it's for a

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valid reason. Whether they see the validity in that or not,

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that's on them. But you know the truth, they don't.

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So if they do think you're crazy, that's a them problem,

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not a tising problem.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, and I don't want to bring if

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nothing's happened to them, like or they're property, I don't

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want to bring attention to it. But it would be

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really neat if I could get some kind of like

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night camera or something that could take pictures in our

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right at the like the tree line at our property,

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that would be really neat because that's when you can

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see in most of the time, that's when you can

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spot them.

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Speaker 1: Well, keep your head on the swivel. If that opportunity

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does present itself to get that million dollar photo, you

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know who wants to see it. So hopefully that knowledge

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will keep them away.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, I hope it does.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tiffany, please tell us about those encounters. Now,

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we're going back to two thousand and two.

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So I got married young at eighteen. We had our

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first child in two thousand and it would have been

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two thousand and one, and you know, very young, very

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young couple. We were doing what we could at the time,

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what we thought was right, you know, getting married, getting

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a little apartment. We both were working, you know. And

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then he's like, you know, I think it'd be great.

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We did afford daycare, say oh, with our chick, with

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our kid, and I said, sure, I think that would

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be great for now because things are overwhelming. So and

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saying we have the tiny apartment, Well, my uncle he

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worked for IBM at the time, and he was building

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this beautiful like he had these blueprints for this beautiful

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free story log heaven. Like it would be like a

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finish basement. You're talking like the the I guess the

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second floor, and then the third floor, and the third

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floor would have a wrap around balcony. And you know,

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it's out in the sticks of Tiber County. And if

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you go on any Google map and look that up

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a little bit, you can you can see what I'm

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talking about. So we're up probably fifteen miles from a

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rural town. Anyways, so our driveway is about a quarter

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of a mile long. And as you're my uncle Tim's driveway,

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as you're going up at it's beautiful, like the property

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is just beautiful. As you're going up that driveway, you

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look down and you can see the pond. It's a

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big pond and it's got like a fast flowing I

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guess you call it like a stream or a creek

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that kind of goes like, I don't know, ten or

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twenty feet next to it and then tree lined behind

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where you know the houses, and there's a garage that

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he had made. And he made this garage into like

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a home, and he it was like a cottage and

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then he called it the garagage. So that's where he

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lived while he was building the house. All the house

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is half built. And he called me up one day

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and he said me' tiff, He goes, do you want

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to do you want to come stay? He goes, and

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any you guys have happened on a hard time right now,

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you know all you would have to do is pay

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utilities and make me some food suntack. And I said

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that sounds amazing, So of course, you know, we took

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him up on the offer. I think we moved in

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June of two thousand and two, so husband work night shift.

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Everything was going great, you know, like I would take

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my son down to the pond. There was like a

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little like a little rowboat type thing. I never felt

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comfortable with putting him like in his car seat in

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that or whatever. Again, young mom, but he did. My

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Uncleton did have this little kitten and you know, like

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when the baby sleep and I run down to the

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pond and i'd you know, row around in the fish

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and grow do some fishing, rowing around in the pond

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with the little kitten and like in the in the rowboat.

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Never had a problem. And so this would have been October,

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a couple of days before Halloween, maybe a day or

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the day before. And it's around eleven o'clock at night.

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And I only know this because of like the minutes

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it took me before I had to call some somebody.

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I heard this crash, like I mean, it sounded like

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a car had rolled over into the house. And alls

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I'm thinking as that it happened, is the garagage is

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built like on in like a slope, so like half

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of the side of it is like on a hill,

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like a mini hill tiny, and I thought it like

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a deer head slipped down, had like fallen on like

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the wet leaves because it's all them, you know, and

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hit the side of the house and I'm like, oh

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my god. So I go and I, you know, want

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to check on the baby. I go. We don't. Again,

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just to let you guys know, we don't have any

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blinds in this house and feel that any that there

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was any need to have them, because so far out

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we had some curtains on some windows, and my son

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had curtains on his windows. They were They're always open though,

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so as I'm walking through these room, I have eyes

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on him and crib and as I'm walking on something,

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I don't know if it was like a movement from

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my right side or what. But as I turned to

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the right and I'm standing in the doorway, I see

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I'm thinking, I'm looking at my reflection in the window.

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And then as soon before I even registered in my head,

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I felt it in my chest, like I felt my

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heart pounding, and that's I'm like, oh my gosh, that's

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not my reflection and I'm looking at I must have

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turned my head a little sideways because it's like as

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soon as this creature noticed that I noticed him like

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or it like it, it went crazy. I'm not looking

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at a human, I'm looking at something with these like

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very right eyes huge. You knows. It's Harry. And that's

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all I see. When I'm in the window, and I'm like,

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oh my gosh. I crawl on the floor to my

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son's crib, crawl like army crawl like I don't know

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what that's gonna do, you know. And I hear this thing.

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It sounds like like a six hundred pound man trying

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to run a marathon. Is what it sounded like. That's

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the only way I can describe it. It sounded horrible,

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like very awful. And I grabbed my son and I

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run up like this this place is tiny, this grudge,

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it is tiny. So I run out to the where

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the kitchen counter is. We're not finished building that all

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the way yet. The well we had knocked it down.

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They made it like an L shape, so I'm hiding

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underneath it and I hear this thing and I'm like,

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oh my gosh. The phone. The phone at that time, Okay,

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so we're talking two thousand and two, I had like

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one of those phones that you like put on the charger.

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I didn't have a cell phone. I didn't have any

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of that then, So one like to the bedroom, grab

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the phone, and I'm run back to my son and

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he's said he's trying to crawl around, and I'm like,

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oh my gosh, no, please sit still, sweating profusely, like

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I don't think I've much like even giving labor to

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my kids. I'm like, sweat is pouring off my face.

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And I called my mom one and I can hear

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this thing and it's going around the house. It's going

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around the house, and all of a sudden, my door

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handle starts going up down, up, down, up down, and

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I'm like, oh my gosh, did I lock the door.

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I don't know if I lock the door. And I'm

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talking to the nine to one one this stature, and

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she's she can hear That's how loud this thing was.

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She could hear him. She could hear it. And I

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don't know why I keep saying him, because I'm still

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not sure if it was a male. But I guess

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when you're looking at these things and they don't look feminine,

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it's easy to call them and him, you know, just

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because it mails up bigger they're they're more masculine, and

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that's exactly what this thing looked like. So she's like,

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at first, she's like, Okay, yep, we'll get somebody up there,

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you know, like very like nonchalant. As soon as she

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hears like everything going on, her tone changed and it

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made me more nervous. And she was like, they're they're

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going to be there, They'll be right there, and she's

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trying to talk me through this, and I think it's

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a good idea to pop my head up over the

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countertop so I have a picture window that would be

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right to the left, not even seven eight feet away

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this thing. This thing had to have been nine feet

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or more tall, because that's how tall you would have

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to be for your head to be where his was.

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And I don't think he saw were I was because

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if he, if it did, it would have been looking

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right at me. I think I guarantee it. And it

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was looking past, like way past me, to like where

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my television was. The only light in the house that

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was on was the TV. And it's that I'm like,

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it's Halloween. It's almost Halloween. Somebody's playing a prank on me.

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It's got to be a prank. I keep saying this,

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and I had like, and I don't think my uncle

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would do something like this, but somebody's messing with me.

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And when I seen this creature move its eyes, move

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its mouth, the way it's the way everything his features

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were moving on its face, I absolutely was in the costume.

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It wasn't fake. It was real. And that's something I

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don't ever forget. I was scared at the time it happened.

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I'm glad I was very young when I happened, and

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that nobody really talked about it after the fact, so

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I guess it was kind of kind of easy to

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move on from it. But I as this this thing

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I couldn't really tell I couldn't tell you if it

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was brown black, It looked dark, looked like very dark fur.

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But I can tell you what the eyes look like

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for sure. And the eyes were like this this yellow,

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this very bright yellow with like a red i'm gonna

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say red or orange of ring right around the pupil,

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like right where the pupil was. And I just remember

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that because I remember it. I moving back and forth,

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like looking at the TV, looking up, looking at the TV,

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looking up. It's not looking at me, and I'm thinking, Okay,

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it doesn't know where I am, and then it kind

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of does, like every time it would breathe out, it

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would move its mouth up a little bit, like the

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one side of it's like like where its mount was.

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It like it would move just a little bit, and

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I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like, this is terrifying.

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So it's like as soon as that happened and I

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went back down and I'm like, it's gonna get me.

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It's gonna come right through that picture window and it's

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gonna get my baby. Because I was worried that like

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maybe my son was crying and I didn't hear it

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and that's what brought it. I wasn't sure. So she's

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still talking and she goes, they should be there any minute.

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They should be there any minute, and it had to

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be taken them at least twelve fifteen minutes to get

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to my house. Well, this this thing, I could hear

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it leaving. I can hear the like the thump, like

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I could hear stop. It sounded like it was stomping,

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but I'm sure it was just walking away. And then

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I can hear you can hear it like it was

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like short short steps and then long, but like you

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know when you can tell something going faster, and then

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it wasn't even I'd say forty five seconds to thirty

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to forty five seconds. After that that, I had four

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State troopers in my driveway, two sheriffs and one game Morden.

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And when I tell you that they went back there

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with the dog, they had two dogs. They went back

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there with the dog, and they said to my husband

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at the time, we followed it back about two miles

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and then we lost the scent, you know, face closed,

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end of story. That's what I thought. Anyways, I left

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that very next morning, and I promised myself I would

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never go back there ever ever ever moved in with

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my mom, which I said I would never do, also

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moved in with my mom, and you know, I guess

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according to my uncle, you know, they had people up

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there for uh for weeks, you know, so if it

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was just, oh, it's nothing like we lost the send whatever,

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I'm sure they wouldn't have people up there for weeks

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looking for whatever this may be.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I never got to ask, you know, my uncle

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about that, because before I even knew about god manner

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or anything, he you know had passed away. So you know,

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here I am with my life, getting on with that.

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Like it didn't take me very long to get up

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to get on with that, because I've had, like I said,

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I've had a lot of trum in my life, so

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that compared to everything that's happened throughout the years, didn't

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seem too bad at the time. And I am on.

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I've been looking for houses roughly at this time in

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my life for like a year or now, and all

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of a sudden I see on our like realtor website

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that my uncle's house just come up for sale, and

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I am like, all a little too much. Then what

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I can do? You know what I did? I wanted

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that house so bad, like he was like, I didn't

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have a dad growing up, so my uncle to me

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was like my father, like he he raised me. So

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I lost. I have a very short circle in my life.

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I have two friends, you know what I'm saying. I

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got six children, two friends, and I just he was

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everything to me at one point in my life. And

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as soon as I see this house book for sale,

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I said to myself, I only make it my goal.

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I will have this house. I need it. I need

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it I want it. I want to be there. It's

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what I want anyways, you know, I want to be

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out in the I want to be out. It was

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something familiar in my life that sounded good at that point.

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So I'm working three jobs. I am able to get

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the house. I get it. I'm raising my kids there.

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Everything is fine. That incident comes up every once I

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don't on like you know, a night that the kids

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go to bed early and I have nothing going on

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to do, where a scary show comes on or something.

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You know that that always sticks with me a little bit.

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But for some reason, because I think I wanted this

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house so bad, I pushed it to the back of

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my head like it didn't really happen. It's not what

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I thought I saw whatever. And it was like eight

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months later after I moved in is when I saw

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the first one. So I'm just thinking that I'm seeing

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something in the free line. It's before I have to

474
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:02,440
go to work, and I keep seeing something go in

475
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:04,559
and out behind a tree, in and out behind a tree.

476
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,519
But I'm like, I'm like, it's not a person. I

477
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,400
can see ears, I can see hair, but it's tall

478
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,759
and it's not even clicking. Still it's not even clicking

479
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:22,359
to my encounter at all. And I'm like, what is that?

480
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,319
And I'm like, should I get in the car? Should

481
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,519
I go back in the house and maybe call somebody,

482
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,079
you know? And I'm looking and then it drops down.

483
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,799
It drops down to all fours, kind of just walks

484
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:37,880
back like this is in the tree line. So I

485
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,480
kind of want to give you guys a picture of

486
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:43,920
what this is like. So I have the house on

487
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,359
top of the hill. As you're looking down from that

488
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,880
wrap around porch, there's the pond and the stream after

489
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:58,480
if you look to your left, and it's about say

490
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,279
one hundred feet one hundred and twenty feet to the

491
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:06,039
to the tree line is where I'm looking. So I'm up.

492
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,359
You know, I'm up. Well, I'm like the second floor,

493
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,839
I guess you could call it, and I keep going

494
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,960
in and out like the floor to try to see

495
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,240
if I can see it. Has anybody ever done this

496
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,039
where like you're looking through a window and you're like,

497
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:24,799
I don't know, maybe I can see it better from outside.

498
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,480
So you go and you're looking at something you know

499
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,000
from or maybe you open up your window to see

500
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,079
something better and said, I'm I'm like that I go outside,

501
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,880
not even thinking and just thing, like I said, drops off,

502
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,519
of course, walks back into the tree line. Don't think

503
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:47,960
anything of it. Well, it's like a week later. I'm

504
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,920
I think it was my day off. I had to

505
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,200
have them my day off because it was in the

506
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,240
middle of the day. I'd say it was like two

507
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:02,279
thirty two. Yeah, it was two thirty or three. And

508
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,920
I'm sitting there, I mean, in a sandwich, drinking coffee,

509
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,079
doing something. I don't even remember what I was doing,

510
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:11,680
but I know I had my phone in my hand,

511
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:16,799
and I'm watching this deer, this little it must have

512
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,759
been a young deer, like just out of like little babyhood.

513
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,079
At the pond. They come there all the time, the

514
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,680
sun whatever, you know, everyone some mom glanceing at it,

515
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,480
and all of a sudden, it starts doing something I've

516
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,400
never seen an animal do on my property before. And

517
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,839
it starts like making like coffy noises and stop on

518
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,839
its feet, and I'm like, oh, I'm like, I wonder

519
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,519
if And even before I could even think, I wonder

520
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,400
if something's like in the water, like making it mad

521
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:52,440
or whatever, this this creature was on top of him

522
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:56,359
in no time like before I could put my coffee down,

523
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,599
like I couldn't even set my coffee down fast enough

524
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:06,480
for that'dn't happen. And when I say that it killed

525
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:08,759
this thing in probably three seconds, I don't know if

526
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,880
it broke it broke its neck. I don't know if

527
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,799
it broke its back. I don't know what it did

528
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:15,319
to it. It didn't even make a sound. It didn't

529
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,640
even make a sound. It just was limp and was done.

530
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,839
And I don't know like if it if the document

531
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,640
came from the tree line or if it came from

532
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:29,599
behind the garage or where. I don't know, because it

533
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:36,440
happened that fast. And when I say that, I've never

534
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:41,240
seen an animal, regular animal do this in my life.

535
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,839
It's not looking at me. I only see the back

536
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,720
of it, and it's like it kind of looks like

537
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:53,279
it's kneeling over the deer. The deer's limp and it

538
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,160
took this creature took a knee. It took a knee

539
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,799
like a football player would take a me. And that's

540
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:06,960
when I'm that's when everything from before is going back

541
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,280
and I'm like, oh my gosh, I wasn't crazy, this

542
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,880
is real. This is exactly what I thought it was

543
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,519
is exactly what I think it is. Now. This thing

544
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:21,320
doesn't look as scary and as ugly as the other

545
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,079
as what I seen a long time ago. But then again,

546
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:27,440
I'm young. I was young, you know. I'm not saying that.

547
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,320
Something kind of gotten twisted in my head a little bit,

548
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,599
and I'm seeing this one from further away. But it's black.

549
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,000
It's very black, like a black shepherd. It looked like

550
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:44,599
a big, big black shepherd with like a cross between

551
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,960
a wolf, kind of like just a tiny, tiny little bit.

552
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:56,400
And when it took the knee, it like looked like

553
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,719
it was having like a hard time, like trying to

554
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,639
get up on two legs, and then it got it.

555
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:04,400
It got it up on two legs. And when it

556
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,760
took that knee and then took that deer and it

557
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,000
stuck it underneath its right arm, looked right up at me.

558
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,920
I don't know if he knew I would it knew

559
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,119
I was there the whole time. He had like it

560
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:23,679
looked right up at me, looked right back to the

561
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:32,559
tree line, and nonchalantly just strolled strided. Now, when this

562
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:38,159
thing walked, it walked with oh gosh, I'm gonna call

563
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,000
it like if an old person has a cane like

564
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:48,000
when their hits hurt. It walked exactly like that, and

565
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:50,239
it walked right back to the tree line after it

566
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,159
got past the tree line. I think I sat there

567
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:57,519
on that porch for a good hour. I was waiting

568
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:01,840
for her to come back. Yeah, maybe processing what I

569
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:08,760
was saying. I'm not sure, but I forgot. I forgot

570
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,800
this part. But when it was coming up on that deer,

571
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,480
right before it got to that deer and got like

572
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,280
got to it, I like was on it and like

573
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,960
killed it in three seconds. It made this stopping and

574
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,119
made this noise. It was like a growl. It was

575
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:26,440
like but it was like something like have you ever

576
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,880
turned gotten in your vehicle and turned the music up

577
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:33,599
so loud that the base of like shaking everything and

578
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:37,280
you can hear it like in your chest and like

579
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,000
even in your back and your heartbeat and stuff. That's

580
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:43,679
exactly what this thing did. And it didn't stop until

581
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,840
that deer didn't move. The deer looked like it was

582
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,679
gonna run, but it didn't run, and then all of

583
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,360
a sudden, like it killed it in like three seconds.

584
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,079
Like I said, I don't even know how it killed it,

585
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,199
because it happened so fast. I don't and I've never

586
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:05,159
I've never had an encounter at our home like that since.

587
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:11,679
And I don't know, because when my husband first started

588
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:20,880
coming around to the house, it was like he'd stay over,

589
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,239
like I don't know, once or twice a week. Nothing

590
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,199
would happen, nothing would happen, you know, there was nothing

591
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,119
going on normal life. It's when he started staying like

592
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,960
the weekend in two days, and then he would start

593
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,440
bringing his like four wheelers and side by sides over.

594
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,679
We would set up stuff like in the trail marker,

595
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,599
and I was nervous. I was nervous to tell him anything.

596
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,719
I was like, I can't tell him that these things

597
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,880
are here. I can't or like he might not want

598
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,719
to be with me, he might want to, you know,

599
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,039
Like I'm just I was so paranoid and so nervous

600
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,559
about it because sometimes people just don't understand. And I

601
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:04,119
didn't want to lose something because they thought I was crazy.

602
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:09,440
And our stuff started getting torn down and everything, and

603
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,440
he's like, that's when Vic's channel got brought up because

604
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,840
we started having this conversation. I said, there's these creatures here.

605
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,679
I've got to tell you something, and I told them about,

606
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,599
you know, two thousand and two, I told them about

607
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,599
what I had seen, you know, since I've moved here.

608
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:28,199
I said, if you look for them, you'll see them.

609
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,559
I said that they don't make their self pronounced, but

610
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:37,719
they are right now. The reckon stuff they're they were

611
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,920
trashing all the stuff you put up for a side

612
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,760
by side out on the trail. They were the scratch

613
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,039
in the garage, they were we had some scratches on

614
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,760
the brand new truck that he had. And it's like, you,

615
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,159
do you really think that it's I said, yeah, I do,

616
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,320
I absolutely do. I said, what else would do that?

617
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,719
You know what I mean, You're not going to have

618
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,639
a IOI come up and do that to a kit.

619
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,559
There's no one that's going to be walking down here,

620
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,199
you know, doing that too. That's the only thing I

621
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,000
could associate it with. And I don't know if it's

622
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,519
because it was a new person that was around, you know,

623
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,920
the property, and you know, like, oh, they're staying, they're

624
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,559
going to be here for a while. Oh my gosh,

625
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,880
these things are noisy. I'm sure I can only imagine,

626
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400
you know. And it got to the point where, you know,

627
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,639
we have you know his kids. We have my kids,

628
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,239
and you know, we do have an eighteen month old,

629
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,800
so we have very young children here, you know, And

630
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,960
I just I got very nervous. I started crying, and

631
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,960
I started getting really upset, and I said, I think

632
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,719
we might have to move. I think that that might

633
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,119
be the end of my journey for this property, a

634
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,280
place where I thought that I would live the rest

635
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:07,239
of my days out So he always very understanding, and

636
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,079
he's like, let's sleep on it, maybe give it a week,

637
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,480
you know, see how you feel after that. But I'm

638
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,159
behind you no matter what. He's like. I know, he's like,

639
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:20,639
I've seen a little bit here and there is like that.

640
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,119
I haven't had a bad encounter like you have, so

641
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,760
I don't think it's obviously. He doesn't think it's, you know,

642
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,840
that that much of a you know, big deal. He's like,

643
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,679
I've only heard stories and I've only you know, heard

644
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,760
about yours. He's like, I see the huge head, you know,

645
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,239
out in the tree line, I see the eyes at night,

646
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,039
I see this. I see that. He's like, but nothing's

647
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:50,199
ever come up to me, nothing's ever bothered me. Who

648
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,480
goes the truck? I'm mad about you? Know he goes

649
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:57,920
little stuff like that he goes, but it's nothing that

650
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,119
we can't work around. But in my home, I'm thinking,

651
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,960
maybe it's just gonna get worse. We should probably just

652
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,719
go and it's crushing my dreams, but I need my

653
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,559
family to be safe, so it wasn't. The very next day.

654
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:19,000
Every morning I take my trash out to the garage,

655
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,639
and I don't do it at night for a reason.

656
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,440
I don't do it at night because I'm scared. I

657
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,960
don't want to go out to the garage at night.

658
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,599
It's it's a little ways away from the house, not

659
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,239
too far, but far enough to where if I ran,

660
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,760
maybe I trip and fall. So I got too scared,

661
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:43,079
so I take the garbage out, put it in the

662
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,280
bend in the back of the garage. I'm coming back out.

663
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,320
As I'm coming back out of the garage, I hear

664
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,159
what sounds like a like a sneeze or like a sniff.

665
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,440
I know no one else is outside with me, and

666
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:59,920
so I turn and I turn to the left. It's

667
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,159
side of the garage where and like uh where like

668
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:05,480
the door is, and then the garage ends goes all

669
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:11,440
the way back and as I'm looking I see something brown,

670
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,400
dark brown coming out of behind the garage, and I

671
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,320
got a little bit of weeds there, like where he

672
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,960
didn't we reckon. I'm so mad about like because I'm

673
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,559
always like please, like just get the sides. And I

674
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:32,199
see this, this huge dog coming out. Now. This one

675
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,039
is not like the one that I seen before. The

676
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:37,440
one that I seen beforehead like the shepherd, like a

677
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,880
black shepherd mixed like a wolf. This one was like

678
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,360
rounded ears, dark brown, dark brown to the point where

679
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,519
I mean, this is a broad daylight, so I can

680
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:50,320
see this very good. And it's got like a little

681
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,719
bit of reddish to it, like really dark brown, like

682
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,719
maybe so dark brown that it's like reddish a little bit.

683
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,000
I don't know. It's hard to explain, but it's got

684
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,960
round of the ear is almost like a hyena, huge

685
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:07,199
ears off to the to the side of it's not

686
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,800
all the way to the side of its head, but

687
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,519
like kind of like on the top like where hyaenas

688
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:17,880
ears would be. And I'm staring at it and I'm

689
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,559
thinking in my head, how long do I have to

690
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,920
make it from where I am right now to my

691
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:27,400
front door because my kids are inside. I said, this

692
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,519
thing is three times the size of the biggest German

693
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:38,760
shepherd I've ever seen. And it's probably about fifteen feet

694
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,719
from me. And as it's moving, it's still moving, so

695
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:50,760
it's kind of like what you call like like an

696
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,400
army call, Like it's like laying down, but like has

697
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,639
its legs been underneath it, and it's moving, but it's

698
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,159
moving the side of its body. It's moving the side

699
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,480
so I can see its face. And then it kind

700
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,599
of like gets up a little bit, moves its arms

701
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:12,639
out and has its This is how I know that

702
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,639
it's not a dog. It's not a regular dog. It's

703
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:19,960
not a wolf. It's nothing like that. It had these

704
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,320
hands in the like raccoon looking hands, and their hands

705
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:28,599
its knuckles were like pointed inwards, so like it was

706
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:33,760
like I guess if you took your hand and you

707
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,719
pressed your fingers towards your body, It's exactly what it

708
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,679
looked like. And it had a thumb, and its thumb

709
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,440
was the same way, and it was like as it

710
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,800
was getting up, it like moved them forward and then

711
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,480
it would move them back. And I'm watching it do this,

712
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,039
and as I'm watching it, kind of get up on

713
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:55,800
it like a dog would say all of a sudden,

714
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:59,760
there's two eyes and a little snout that pokes out

715
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,400
from underneath it, like underneath its hind quarter, like pushed

716
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,400
right through, you know. And I'm like, oh my gosh,

717
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,880
it's a little one. It's a little one, like it's

718
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,039
a young one or a baby. But the size of

719
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:19,880
this thing was like a six month old German shepherd,

720
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,719
you know. It wasn't real tiny, but it was tinier

721
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,679
than what I was looking at. And I could tell

722
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,079
it was a female. And the way I could tell

723
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:31,880
it was a female it is because it had it

724
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,960
looked like four breasts, like so when you see like

725
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,360
a dog after it's had babies and it's been nursing

726
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,440
for a while. That's exactly what this looked like. But

727
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:47,039
way bit like the it was way bigger, and all

728
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:51,800
of a sudden, as I'm looking, i see another little

729
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,400
face poke like out behind it a little bit, and

730
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,519
I'm like, there's two. And I'm thinking, oh my gosh,

731
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,960
like I came out at the wrong time, like it's

732
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,159
going to get me. I'm near it's young, like a bear,

733
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,599
you know, and I'm scared. I'm terrified to look at

734
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:15,039
this thing's face because I feel like as soon as

735
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:18,719
I look up in this thing's eyes or whatever it's

736
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,079
going to become, it's going to get me. And I'm

737
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:25,719
looking and I kind of just like look sideways up

738
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:32,440
at it. And the look on this creature's face was pity.

739
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:42,800
I felt like it looked like a dog that's been scolded.

740
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:49,320
That's exactly what it looked like. And I don't know

741
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,920
how long it was. Could have been one to two minutes.

742
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,880
It felt like it was twenty minutes that I was

743
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,199
staring at this and it kind of just the two

744
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,760
little ones just like I don't know if they popped

745
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,639
back behind her and just like vanished because I was

746
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:06,079
staring at her. They were gone. And then she kind

747
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:11,079
of just moved herself over back over like she was.

748
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,800
She never moved like where her hind quarters were though

749
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,000
they kept they stayed in the same place. And then

750
00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:19,840
the one like kind of just popped over and she

751
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,360
was gone. She was gone out the back side of

752
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,400
the garage. I ran to the house and I didn't

753
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,760
come out. I called my husband, I'll let him know

754
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,960
what happened, and I go, what do you think? I mean?

755
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,400
I think we've stayed up forever talking that night about it,

756
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,239
I said, what do you think do you think my

757
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,079
crazy mind is? I'm always like a you know, believer.

758
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:49,000
I'm always like a sign like I see. I want

759
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:51,320
to believe in all the signs that I see. You know,

760
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,199
I got to be a realistic but I want to

761
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,320
be like, maybe this is a sign. Maybe it's just

762
00:47:56,639 --> 00:48:00,079
I'm supposed to stay here. Maybe she was showing me like,

763
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,400
look like you want to leave because don't get me

764
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:08,039
wrong here because I know, like he said, like my

765
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:12,559
husband said, no, Tiffany, I don't think that she was like,

766
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:19,960
look like I can you know, relate with you. We

767
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:23,039
both have kids. No, it wasn't like that at all.

768
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,639
But I told them, I said, I don't think it's

769
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:28,519
a coincidence that we were out on the porch again

770
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,159
talking last night. I'm crying. We're talking about leaving this

771
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,199
sent and the other thing, and then this happens. Why

772
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:38,760
they just, like Vick said, there's not one thing that

773
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,719
they don't do that does not have a reason behind it.

774
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:47,280
And I do think that that was the reason. Was like, oh,

775
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,480
you know what, we really don't want to relocate. Maybe

776
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,039
and I'm thinking in my head, how long have they

777
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,719
been there. I've never seen them. I've only seen the

778
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:04,679
one and then the one previously. I've never seen them.

779
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,360
How long have they been here? You know? And it's

780
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,639
like as soon as that happened, it wasn't even two

781
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:15,320
weeks later. That. Like when you're sitting out on the

782
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,079
back porch at night and it's pitch black dark, that's

783
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,559
why I like it. Sometimes on really cloudy nights, like

784
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:25,480
when it's dark and you can't see the moon, like

785
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:28,400
there's no light from the moon obviously, don't have street

786
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,480
nothing out here, you can see like, I don't know

787
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:35,239
what they have in their eyes to make them. I'm

788
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,480
not going to say they glow, but they're very right

789
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,000
to make them bright enough to where it looks like

790
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:43,719
I mean, you can see them. You can see them

791
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,960
when they're messing around in the trees. You can see

792
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,760
them when they're you know, down by the creek. They

793
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,119
never come to the pond though, they do not come,

794
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,880
not that I've ever seen, and I've never seen them

795
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,360
like peeking in windows anything like that. But like when

796
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,719
we're sitting out here late at night, we can see them.

797
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:09,800
I was telling Vic, I said, it's funny because the

798
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,039
first time I was talking about this in a while,

799
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,239
would have been a week or so ago when I

800
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:23,440
was talking a VIC and I said, my husband stands

801
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:25,840
up on the porch and kind of like see he

802
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,079
like takes like a like a like a breath back,

803
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,840
and he's like, oh, you know, and he goes turn around.

804
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:37,400
He goes look behind the cattails in the pond, and

805
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:46,719
you just see this massive, massive doghead. And I'm just like, yep, yep,

806
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,280
here we go, you know, And I just I get

807
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:56,000
so worked up a little bit about it and so paranoid. Now.

808
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,840
A funny thing is is my uncle always used to

809
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:05,800
tell me before I moved in, when I was a

810
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,840
kid and he had the garage the garagage, and also

811
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,239
when he was building his house and we moved in,

812
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,320
he would always say, Tiffy, don't go outside at night.

813
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:21,920
You know. There's bobcats. Bobcats. They're bobcats. There's two bobcats here.

814
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,639
They'll get you like you do not go outside. They

815
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:28,679
make horrible noises, they're awful, you know. And I always wonder,

816
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,800
I'm never going to be able to know this ever,

817
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,599
And I always wonder like did he know? Did he know?

818
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:40,639
And my mother you know, us talking about this this

819
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,559
week and me telling her I'm going to be on

820
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:47,039
the show, and hey, you know, remember that that thing

821
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,920
that happened back in two thousand and two, and she

822
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,760
was like, Tiffy, She's like, I got to tell you something.

823
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,400
She's like when that happened, She goes, we had two

824
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,000
She was like, I I'm guessing they were detectives or

825
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,480
you know, worked for the Shaff's office or whoever come

826
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,599
here to let us know, Hey, is this going to

827
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:13,719
be Tiffany's residence? Now? You know, what she saw probably

828
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,079
was like a neighbor's dog or coyote, and I think

829
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,400
she might be having a mental break, so just keep

830
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,320
like a real close eye on her. But my mom

831
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:26,760
never told me any of that, you know, until like

832
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,039
we would just were having this conversation about it, and

833
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:33,639
I you know, that upsets me a little bit. I'm

834
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:37,320
not gonna lie, but it just goes to show that

835
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:45,920
like these things are still like the like you can't

836
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,840
tell the wrong people. I guess that you've seen them

837
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,599
because I can't imagine if I decided to go. And

838
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:56,880
that's why I feel horrible, like absolutely awful for these

839
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,880
people who have encounters and just h they're not believed

840
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:07,719
and they're made to be like crazy and stuff. Because

841
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,440
if I was to go further with what I seem

842
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:13,000
back in two thousand and two, I don't know where

843
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:15,559
i'd be today. I guess, you know, and I guess

844
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:18,039
I can just think my lucky stars that things have

845
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:24,960
turned out the way that they are, and and that's

846
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,840
I guess. That's basically all I have to say. I'm

847
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,639
sorry if I've gone on a little too far.

848
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,039
Speaker 1: No, not at all. No, the more you tell us

849
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:39,199
about your experiences, the better I want you to remember something, Tiffany,

850
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,239
when something frightened has happened on your property, you felt

851
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,519
like you've been able to retreat back into the cabin

852
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:52,000
there or your home now. But that really is no barrier.

853
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:52,639
Speaker 2: Now.

854
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are people out there thinking, oh my gosh,

855
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,760
don't tell her that. Well, Tiffany's more than intelligent enough

856
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,679
to know that walls are not going to pose any

857
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,280
barrier to this to a dog me and that wants

858
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,320
to break into the home and get her its hands

859
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,119
on Tiffany. But the great news is that hasn't happened,

860
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,320
because none of the dog men that have been around

861
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,880
your property, have wanted to do that, like we talked

862
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,119
about in that first encounter or that first conversation that

863
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:24,239
we had. As long as you remember that when you

864
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,800
think about that first encounter and maybe you start to

865
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,119
think about things in the wrong way and the hairs

866
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:32,719
start to stand up on the back of your neck

867
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,920
and everything, well if you remember that fact right there,

868
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,519
that will help snap you back into reality, because that's

869
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:42,239
clearly the truth. But when you have the first encounter

870
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,320
that dog me in, it acted like it wanted to

871
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,039
get you, but what was stopping it. I mean, it

872
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,199
could have easily broken in and gotten you and your

873
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,760
son if that's what it wanted to do, but that

874
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,480
didn't happen because it didn't want to do that. So yeah,

875
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:56,920
please keep that in mind.

876
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,199
Speaker 2: It's so hard, Like like I said, who were just

877
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,599
saying like love and hate. I go back and forth

878
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:06,800
with it, like, yeah, I know, you're absolutely right, but

879
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,119
there's still that like human scare factor because there's so

880
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,920
many shows out there that are like they're killers, they're killers,

881
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,400
you know, like these horror stories, and it's of course

882
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,719
it's going to play in the back of your mind sometimes.

883
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:25,840
But I think you're right. I mean, you've said this.

884
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:29,320
It's like your motto. You know, if they wanted to

885
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,599
get you, they would.

886
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's right, if I had a nickel for every

887
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:36,639
time I told and I witnessed was having a hard

888
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:40,960
time coming to terms with their encounters or encounter this

889
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:45,119
next statement nine to nine point nine percent of the

890
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:47,519
time when an eye witnesses trouble coming to terms with

891
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,559
their experiences with dog men or an experience with a

892
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:53,679
dog man, it's not their fault. It's just due to

893
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,880
the inability to see the true nature of what happened

894
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,760
and to be able to consequently read into why the

895
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,599
dog and did what it did and why the dog

896
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:06,719
man didn't do what it didn't do. A perfect example,

897
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,079
Yef and eye witness tell you about how they decided

898
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:12,000
to go for a walk one day in the woods,

899
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:14,880
and they went ahead and parked the ranger, and they

900
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,880
grabbed a backpack off the seat, and they headed out

901
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,639
and across the green field and into the woods. Well,

902
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:23,400
they got about four hundred yards from the ranger and

903
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,239
all of a sudden, this big wearwolf flicking thing jumps

904
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,559
out and is right in front of them. So they're

905
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:31,840
just caught at a total loss trying to figure out

906
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,199
what they should do, and the only thing that they

907
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:39,239
can think of is because they were lightning fast as

908
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,440
a runner. And they go on to tell you how

909
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:45,480
in college they're actually an all state sprinter. They tell

910
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:48,199
you how they decided to bolt to the ranger to

911
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:53,360
save themselves from this dangerous monster. Well, you ask them,

912
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:55,239
did you look to see if it was chasing you?

913
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,320
And they tell you, oh, yeah, And every time I

914
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,119
looked over my shoulder, this dog man was about six

915
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:03,920
feet behind me. But thank goodness, I was just fast

916
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,400
enough to beat it all four hundred yards back to

917
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,960
the ranger. Of course, it was six feet behind me

918
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,480
every time I looked over my shoulder at it, at

919
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:16,119
the thing, but thank goodness, I was fast enough to

920
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:20,199
beat it back to the ranger. I mean, it's obvious

921
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:26,800
what's going on, but exactly it was messing with you.

922
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,840
And yeah, I mean, as long as you whatever, you're traumatized,

923
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:36,360
to the point that so many of these eyewitnesses are traumatized,

924
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,280
it's going to take you off your game. You're not

925
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,199
going to see through the forest and see the trees

926
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,440
because you're so off your game. You're so so taken

927
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,199
aback by your experience or experiences that you can't think

928
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:57,159
through it logically. But for someone who wasn't there and

929
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,320
they share with you a clear outside opinion of what happened,

930
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:04,599
then it all makes sense. And when you think about

931
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:06,599
what they're sharing with you and you think, you know what,

932
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:09,639
that's a really good point. Four hundred yards back to

933
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:11,559
the ranger, and it was six feet behind me the

934
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:15,159
whole time. Wow, I guess he's got a point there.

935
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,719
It was messing with me. There's a huge difference, Tiffany,

936
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,679
as you know, between being messed with me and the

937
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,719
boys was just funn in with you and actually having

938
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,119
something like that that's out to get you. You clearly

939
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,760
are not in a situation where any of these dog

940
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,360
men are out to get you, because if they were,

941
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,000
we wouldn't be having this conversation tonight.

942
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I wanted to get back to the point

943
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,079
where like my husband can ride his book like side

944
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,840
by side back at the house, where he doesn't have

945
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,639
to drive thirty minutes to his friend's house and keep

946
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:53,599
his stuff there and ride there, you know what I mean.

947
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:57,360
So we have the property, like we should be able

948
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,079
to do it. Here, and the reason we don't is

949
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,400
because we feel like there would be repercussions for that.

950
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:10,679
But you know, that's where I feel like irritated. I

951
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:14,280
guess with the situation that we have going on.

952
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,079
Speaker 1: Here, Well, I can understand why you would be irritated

953
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,400
that you shouldn't have to go through all this. If

954
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,239
your husband wants to go out and have some side

955
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:26,599
by side fun, then he should be able to do that.

956
00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:28,079
If you want to be able to sit on the

957
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:32,719
porch a three am and have some coffee without a care,

958
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:35,840
you should be able to do that. But you can't

959
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:39,079
because of what we're talking about tonight, which is just

960
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:44,039
ridiculous that they've decided to camp out there and do

961
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:45,000
these things.

962
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,079
Speaker 2: That's why I laugh when people see why do people

963
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:54,960
say that these creatures, these dogmen don't have like a

964
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:59,559
little bit of like human characteristic in them, like intelligence?

965
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:05,840
Absolutely do. No other animal is going to come here

966
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,119
and be like, uh, you know, we're mad that you're

967
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:12,679
doing this, so we're gonna mess with you this way.

968
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,840
This isn't besides like maybe like a sasquatch or a

969
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,719
dog man. I mean, that's you know, that's just the

970
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,920
logic of it, and I only know one side of it,

971
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,320
you know, I only know the dog man side of it,

972
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:32,039
and that's our life. That's our truth. So, like my

973
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:34,320
husband said, he's like, I don't care who believes us.

974
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,239
He's like, we know the truth. We know what's going

975
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:37,880
on here.

976
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. You do know the truth. You know

977
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:45,119
what's going on. It's unfortunate. There are things that you're

978
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:47,480
gonna know and when you try to share them with

979
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:49,440
people in your life, you're going to laugh at you.

980
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,800
But right, as long as you never lose sight of

981
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,480
the fact that you know the truth and them not

982
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:58,320
believing you has nothing to do with you. It's a

983
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,599
them problem, not you. As long as you keep that

984
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:06,280
in mind, then you're golden. There's no problem. It's only

985
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,079
when you start to let that affect you that the

986
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,199
problems start to creep in. But as long as you stay,

987
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:16,440
as long as you stick to the truth, you've got

988
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,960
this licked. So yeah, like I said, please remember that. Well,

989
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:24,559
I'll tell you what, Tiffany, Let's get to some listener

990
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:28,920
questions now. I'm pulling them from the list of the

991
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,199
live chat. The first one I want to ask is

992
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,239
from Sheery Rusk and sheery wants to know to feel

993
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,039
that it just wasn't meant to be because of what happened.

994
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: I guess I don't understand the question what wasn't meant

995
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:45,760
to be?

996
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:49,639
Speaker 1: Well, I think if I'm reading into this right, I

997
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:53,639
think she wants to know if your dream home, your

998
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:56,559
your desire to be able to live in this dream.

999
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: I always wonder that. I, like I said, a lot

1000
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:07,440
of sleepless nights, been here many, many, many years. So

1001
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,840
I've gone back and forth, and I think we both

1002
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:20,559
think if something major was to happen, I guess that

1003
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:25,320
was going to be bad for the family, hurting us,

1004
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,079
anything like that, I'd feel like it wasn't meant to be.

1005
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:36,440
But honestly, I don't think that at all. I think

1006
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,039
it was meant to be for me to to find

1007
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:44,880
us home again, you know, to have not a horrible encounter,

1008
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,920
you know, not saying that it's easy, you know, with

1009
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,519
them being around here, But I don't feel like it's

1010
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:53,679
not meant to be.

1011
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:59,159
Speaker 1: You're strong of character. I'm impressed. As you know, most

1012
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:02,079
people couldn't do that. Most people, after the first encounter,

1013
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:04,840
they would have headed for the hills.

1014
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,599
Speaker 2: It's true, like I said, I've been through a lot,

1015
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:11,960
a lot in my life, so this I can I

1016
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,519
can deal with now. If what happened before was to

1017
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,639
happen again or keep happening, I couldn't deal with that,

1018
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:21,360
I don't think.

1019
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:27,559
Speaker 1: Nope, yeah, that is a lot. I'm just so impressed

1020
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:30,480
after having the experiences that you've had. Like I said,

1021
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:33,880
most people would have been out of there yesterday, but no,

1022
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,119
not you. The fact that you and your husband are

1023
01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:39,159
still there. It makes me wonder if maybe someday down

1024
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:41,400
the road, you will be able to go back to

1025
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:44,559
normal and he'll be able to have his side by

1026
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,679
side moments and you'll be able to sit on the

1027
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:49,800
porch with coffee and you won't have to worry about

1028
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:55,199
them being around. I sure hope that wants that's the goal. Yeah,

1029
01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:01,000
that'd be wonderful, it really would. And this next one

1030
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:04,440
is more of a comment than a question. Baby girl said,

1031
01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:10,159
so you may have a dog man clan around. Well, understand,

1032
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:15,159
baby girl. There's a lot of talk out there about

1033
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:19,360
dog men clans, and I'm one of those people that

1034
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:24,360
doesn't believe in dogman clans because if you think about

1035
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:30,000
their daily CLOrk requirements, I mean my daily cloric requirements

1036
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:34,480
probably twenty five hundred, close to three thousand, maybe maybe

1037
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,119
a little more. But with these guys being as big

1038
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:41,960
as they are, their daily cloric requirements for a big

1039
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,519
one would be ridiculous. Okay, imagine if you had a

1040
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:50,000
group of dog men together. Well, the resources in any

1041
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:54,199
particular area can only support so many predators. If you

1042
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,000
have a group of huge predators in an area, they're

1043
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:02,039
going to deplete those resources almost overnight. The reason why

1044
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,159
large predators apex predators move around a huge home range

1045
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,519
is to avoid depleting the resources in any of those

1046
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:17,159
particular areas. It's like a self sustaining process. Stay here

1047
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:19,199
for a little bit, move on, stay there for a

1048
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:22,519
little while, move on, And by doing that, it's a

1049
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:27,519
healthy balance. The areas that they left yesterday or the

1050
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:32,000
area they left last week, it's still rebuilding by the

1051
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:35,280
time they get back there, but it's at a healthy

1052
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,639
level still when they come back with dog men, if

1053
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,280
you had a group of them, they'd wipe everything out

1054
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:45,719
in whatever area they stayed in, so it would be

1055
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,480
a true hunter killer situation. They couldn't go back to

1056
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:51,400
the areas that they lived in for any period of

1057
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:57,039
time because that's now a depleted area. So yeah, that's

1058
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:00,719
why I don't believe in this idea, the notion that

1059
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,480
you can have dog men clans. I'm not saying that

1060
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:06,840
they can't come together. I think occasionally they might come

1061
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,840
together and be found in numbers, but I think that's

1062
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,199
clearly the exception rather than the rule.

1063
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:15,519
Speaker 2: The next ones, I think that you're right. I think

1064
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:20,840
that that they can because it's been years, like from

1065
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:25,199
seeing one to then like seeing the other ones. I

1066
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:27,639
think that they move around and I think they're like

1067
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:34,000
they maybe can sent sense that maybe was here before,

1068
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:36,960
and it's like, oh hmm, this might be a cool

1069
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,599
place to stick around for a little bit. I think

1070
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,000
you're absolutely right about that.

1071
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:46,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that just might be what's behind it. It looks

1072
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,800
like she has another question. She wants to know. Do

1073
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,800
you think the dog men are sensing your fear?

1074
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do, I do, But I don't think it's

1075
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:09,280
turned out bad this time around. Maybe if this was

1076
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,559
to have happened six years ago, when that one document

1077
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:16,880
encounter happened with the deer, I think it could have

1078
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,880
turned out a lot worse. If I would have been

1079
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:26,079
outside on my porch crying, upset that they were around

1080
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:32,199
and here. But but for now, I'm paranoid, absolutely paranoid

1081
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:35,480
about it. Yes, because I do feel that they can

1082
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:38,159
sense my fear, because when I start talking about it,

1083
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:42,960
I do have anxiety really bad, and I feel like

1084
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,960
they start showing themselves. Maybe I'm just I'm looking for

1085
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,639
them more after that, you know, it's like it's like

1086
01:07:52,719 --> 01:07:55,519
you're seeing bear out in the woods and you're not

1087
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:57,880
used to seeing bear out in the woods. But then,

1088
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,440
like you know, life goes out. You're taking care of kids,

1089
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,800
you're doing your dishes, you're cooking, you're cleaning, you're you know,

1090
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,679
just doing whatever, and you happen to see one outside

1091
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:12,920
when you're looking. Now when you have anxiety and you're like,

1092
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,320
oh my gosh, there is we're outside. There's they're outside,

1093
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,439
and you're looking and you're looking, and you're looking like

1094
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,359
you're bound to see one sooner or later. I definitely

1095
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,079
think that they can sense my fear.

1096
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pretty intuitive. I'm sure they do sense it

1097
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,079
as well. Talking about the whole fear thing, This next

1098
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:34,800
question from Richard Edwards touches on that he wants to

1099
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,399
know do you think they likes scaring you. Do they

1100
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:38,840
get pleasure from your fear?

1101
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,159
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm sure they probably do. I Like I said,

1102
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:48,479
I've only had that one encounter where that has happened.

1103
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,640
And I don't even know if that would have happened

1104
01:08:52,119 --> 01:08:57,239
if he didn't realize that I've seen it. I think

1105
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,720
that it only went crazy. It was like, oh, I've

1106
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,439
been spotted. Who knows how many times it was looking

1107
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:09,439
in the window, you know. So I'm not sure. Only

1108
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:15,800
from my experience and my experience lately, I don't think

1109
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,000
that they get pleasure from my anxiety, or they'd be

1110
01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:21,279
out here knocking on my windows and stuff like that.

1111
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,800
Just like Vic said, with like any creature that's got

1112
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,800
some kind of intelligence for us human beings, like you've

1113
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,479
got the good people and you've got the bad. You know,

1114
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:34,359
you're going to have bad actors and you're going to

1115
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,359
have good actors, and I think we have good ones

1116
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:38,800
at the moment. Thank God.

1117
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank God is right. Although, like I've said countless times,

1118
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:48,840
these guys are not wired to be dangerous to people.

1119
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,880
Can they be dangerous to people? You better believe it,

1120
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:55,159
But they're not wired to be that way. A cat

1121
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:58,239
is wired to be dangerous to mice and rudents in

1122
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:02,720
general period the things as well. That's just how they're wired.

1123
01:10:03,119 --> 01:10:06,680
If the opportunity presents itself in almost every case, yeah,

1124
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,479
they are going to try and kill the rodent. But

1125
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,000
with dog men it's clearly not the case. I've had

1126
01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:15,239
tons of people over the years say, well, Vic, you

1127
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:17,600
don't know about the people. You've never spoken with the

1128
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,680
people who've been killed by dog men, And that's true

1129
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,720
for anyone who's been killed by a dog man. No,

1130
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,279
I haven't spoken with them, but I'll tell you what

1131
01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:28,760
I have spoken with. Who I have spoken with thousands,

1132
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:34,800
thousands and thousands. Think about it, thousands and thousands of

1133
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,319
people who are caught dead to rights by the dogmen

1134
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:42,560
they encountered, and could have been dispatched easily by the

1135
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,159
dogmen they encountered, but they're allowed to go without a

1136
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:49,239
single scratch. Now, if I spoke with five people who

1137
01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:52,479
could tell me that, five credible eyewitnesses, that'd be one thing.

1138
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,840
But a pool of thousands upon thousands of people who

1139
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:02,720
were caught again dead to rights, dead to rights, but

1140
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,520
allowed to leave without a single scratch, without a single

1141
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,600
hair in their heads being harmed, That right, There is

1142
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,600
clear proof that these guys are not wired to be

1143
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,800
deadly and dangerous to us. They're not gonna harm us

1144
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,520
as soon as the opportunity presents itself in most cases.

1145
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,880
That's not to say Again, that's not to say that

1146
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,640
there aren't deviant ones that will kill you as soon

1147
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,760
as they get the opportunity. Because any critter out there

1148
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:34,600
in the woods, I mean, you are gonna have deviant ones. Horses, pigs, kimels, goats, elephants,

1149
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:39,880
you name it. People. There are examples of deviant people.

1150
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:43,159
All these animals you name it, and the air devient examples.

1151
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,680
So why should dogmen be any different? But there's a

1152
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,920
reason why I say that these guys are not wired

1153
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:55,279
to be that way. And that's the reason. This next

1154
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:58,439
question is from Mike's Surda, and Mike wants to know

1155
01:11:59,079 --> 01:12:03,479
have you had any of it pure normally experiences?

1156
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 2: No, I can't say what I have. I mean I

1157
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,760
did tell VIC about one time me and my daughter,

1158
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,800
I used to take her to daycare. Like where we

1159
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:23,359
live in Taga County. Even the highway is rural like

1160
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,920
it's around woods most of it is. So I was

1161
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,560
taking her to the daycare one morning, I think it

1162
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,439
was like five five point thirty in the morning, and

1163
01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:39,600
there's like a bend in eighty one on the highway

1164
01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:44,000
and it's right next to a golf course and there's

1165
01:12:44,079 --> 01:12:47,680
like a swampy area there, you know, lots of woods,

1166
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,520
lots of trees. It's not like this high class thing.

1167
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,399
I mean you're talking like in the sticks golf course.

1168
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:00,840
So as I'm driving, I see like this. It looks

1169
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,960
like a big Harry bent over creature black and it

1170
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:08,800
looks like it's down in the ditch by the highway.

1171
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,399
And this is like a seventy seventy five mile per

1172
01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:18,319
hour highway, so it's fast, it's not slow, and this

1173
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:22,439
thing is running bent over like trying to hide itself,

1174
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:25,840
but it's not being very good at it, because like

1175
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,720
anybody driving by that looked over to the left would

1176
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,159
be able to see it, you know. And I started

1177
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:33,920
slowed down a little bit because I see it the

1178
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,479
ears and in my head I'm like, oh my gosh,

1179
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,239
I've seen this before, you know, And have my daughter

1180
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:45,760
with me and she's like, what's that And I'm like, oh,

1181
01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:50,560
I'm like I'm not sure. I go it might have

1182
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,560
just been a bear or something. I'm like, I don't

1183
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,880
know what it is. It's got long hair, you know,

1184
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,920
and we kind of slowed down, and then I'm like,

1185
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:03,520
maybe we should just keep going. You know, I have

1186
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,239
her with me. I don't know what this is. I'm

1187
01:14:06,279 --> 01:14:09,600
just going to keep going. And honestly, besides that, I

1188
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:14,159
have not had any other paranormal activity in my life.

1189
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:19,279
Besides what's what I've told you guys.

1190
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: Well, I think you've had enough between the dog men

1191
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:28,039
and that, I'd say you have. Have you ever played

1192
01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:31,680
with a Wiji board at any time in your life?

1193
01:14:32,039 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 2: No? I haven't.

1194
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: I See the reason why I asked that is almost

1195
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,880
every time I asked that question. Well, I guess I'm

1196
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,680
getting ahead of myself here. If I had a nickel

1197
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,560
forerdh tell, I asked, and I witness that question and

1198
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,920
they said no. Well other than the one time when

1199
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,199
I was in college and we played with one for

1200
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:53,880
about an hour.

1201
01:14:55,439 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 2: No, and my sister wanted two so bad, so bad.

1202
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:06,520
Like we were at a Thanksgiving dinner at my mom's

1203
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,520
you know, family's house, and they got out the Ouiji board,

1204
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,000
the kids did, and my mom she must have came

1205
01:15:13,039 --> 01:15:16,239
in right at the right time because she pulled us

1206
01:15:16,279 --> 01:15:19,600
girls upstairs and she was like, if I catch you ever,

1207
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:22,640
you know, playing with that. She was like, that'll be

1208
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,560
the end of your summer that we never played with one.

1209
01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: Well, good for her, I'm glad she set you straight. Yep, yeah,

1210
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,720
you don't want any part of that sort of thing. Well,

1211
01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:39,000
it looks like we're about a quarter past now, so

1212
01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:41,560
we're going to get ready to shut this down for

1213
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,000
the night. But before we do, I just want to

1214
01:15:44,039 --> 01:15:46,640
thank you so much for coming on and sharing the

1215
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,880
details of all those experiences with this Tiffany. I really

1216
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:50,680
appreciate it.

1217
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1218
01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:56,039
Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome and off down the road. If you

1219
01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:59,119
start having encounters that you do have trouble with, then yeah,

1220
01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:01,479
please let me know. I'll always be there for you

1221
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:02,800
and I'll be ready.

1222
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 2: To help absolutely.

1223
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,159
Speaker 1: All right, Well, yeah, thanks again so much, and have

1224
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:15,640
a great night. And as always, everyone, all of you

1225
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,119
out there listening, thanks again so much for listening to

1226
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:20,960
the show and supporting it. More important than that, like

1227
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,119
I always say, thanks so much for supporting the eyewitnesses

1228
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:27,439
who'll never know much you help their lives. But if

1229
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,920
you've had a dogman encounter and would like to speak

1230
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,399
with me about it, whether in private or on the show.

1231
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,600
Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report.

1232
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,119
If you do that, then I'll be more than happy

1233
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:42,640
to contact you and schedule times we could talk about

1234
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,359
your encounter. But having said that, thanks again so much

1235
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:48,399
for listening, and have a great night.

1236
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Speaker 2: As English