Speaker 2: At a book.
Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for another
livestream episode of the show. I really appreciate it. We've
all had times where we were alone at night, no
one else in the house, and something frightening happened. Well,
depending on what happened to you, I'm sure what happened
ranges from pretty mild to pretty wild. But I want
you to imagine for a second whether it would be
like to be a stay at home mom. You have
your one year old with you, it's late at night,
your husband's working because he works the third shift. Well,
we've all heard those bumps in the night. Well, in
almost every case it turned out to be nothing, But
just imagine for a second being in that position. The
nearest neighbor is really far away. All of a sudden
you hear the doorknob jiggle. Well, yeah, thumps and bumps
can happen in the house at night because the house
is settling or whatever other reason, But doorknobs don't just jiggle.
If they jiggle, obviously something turned it. Well, imagine how
much worse it would be when at first you're afraid,
you're terrified it's a burglar that's about to break in. Well,
Imagine for a second how you would feel if that
would have been the better option to what actually happened.
Imagine for a second what it would be like for
you to come to the terrifying realization that, no, it's
not a burglar out there that jiggles the doorknob, it's
a dog man and you're looking right at it through
the window. Is it's looking in Well? I can't do
what happened to tonight's eye, witness any justice or the
other encounters that she's had. So let's bring her in
here now. Tiffany, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Hello, good evening.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. You know we really
appreciate it. Tiffany, please give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh, I am just a country girl from Tiger County,
born and raised here. I've been here my whole entire life.
I've rarely, rarely gone out to see much of the world.
I've been busy, you know, having family, raising my kids.
Much beyond that. I mean, I don't think I've worked
for a few places in my life. I've worked for
an Orthodonos office, something boring, you know, exciting at the
same time, it's always something new with the kids. And
I've also worked for a military company, which has been interesting,
and it's also been good for my family because my
husband was in Marine Corps and so we get you know,
it's nice when you have when you know each other's
work and you can you're able to talk about that
with the other person. So that's been really nice. Just
these encounters that I've had throughout my life, they haven't
been traumatizing. The first one was extremely traumatizing. After that,
these encounters, they've been They've been a part of our life.
We've either had to live with him or moved so,
you know, I told Vic before. We haven't mentioned it
to our kids. My oldest son, I think he kind
of knows a little bit because he visits now and
then you know, he's twenty two years old. He comes
and goes. Maybe we see him six times the year
when he comes back home, but he's not here long
enough and we've never actually talked to him about that.
There's a very few people that know about this situation,
and I mean we've kept this in for for quite
a long time. I mean, as of last week, I
just told my mother and that's a conversation that I'll
have a little bit later that ties into one of
my encounters. But besides that, just small small town girl.
Ra's in our family and that's about it.
Speaker 1: It sure sounds to me like you've carved out a
good life for yourself, so you and your family. But
it really is a shame those dogmen are around. Of course,
you said the first one was the only encounter that
was so terrifying and over the top. But they're still around,
and you still have concerns about them being around, So
that definitely does act as a buzzkill to see the least.
I'm wondering though, Tiffany, you describe yourself as having a
love heat relationship with them. What do you love about
dog men?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so I think for the people who
have not been there, I spend them kind of like
when I listened to her episode last night. It's a
majestic thing. I'm telling you, when you see something that
looks half human, half god, you're not sure what you're
looking at, and you just want to stare at it
for hours because you're not certain at what you're seeing.
I feel like I'm kind of a little bit blessed
to be able to witness that quite a bit. I
And of course I grew up like you know, fairy tale,
this fairy tale, this all the crazy like what Heart
Harry Potter, all that kind of stuff, And to be
able to actually like witness and be around these things,
I do find that, like very very interesting. The hate
part is that I'm still scared to take my kids
out into our woods. We don't side by side here.
My husband loves it. We don't do it for a reason,
and I'll get into that later, but yeah, there's love
and hate.
Speaker 1: Wow, that really is a shame here. You've got this
nice property and everything, and you're hamstrung, Like you said,
your husband can't go out there and hop in the
side by side and tear things up out there because
of the fear of the dog men being around.
Speaker 2: And we've tried that. We've tried it. It doesn't go
over very well. And I think, you know, I've always
wanted to go down to my neighbors. You know, they're
all half a mile from us, and I want to
knock on their doors so bad. I wanted to do
it before this, So you know, if somebody has something
to add to this, I just I couldn't bring myself
to it because I don't want to bring attention to,
you know, to these creatures. I'm scared of what would
happen to them.
Speaker 1: Well that's admirable. Here you are you're intimidated buy them,
but at the same time you're concerned about their well being.
So yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I don't want them in a lab somewhere.
I don't want them who knows, like, who knows what
would happen to them. I just they're a being, just
like any other being, you know. Just let them as
long as like things are peaceful, and they have been
for the past, you know, ten years. I'm going to
leave it at that.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't need to tell you how unusual it
would be for an eyewitness such as yourself to have
that concern about their well being after having been so
frightened by a dog man, especially when they had that
first encounter. So yeah, that's really impressive. Touching on something
you just said. You're concerned that talking about the dog
men that you've had encounters with around your property will
make them more likely to come around without telling to
so any details about your encounters, Tiffany, how many dogmen
have you seen around your property, and how many encounters
would you say that you've had.
Speaker 2: I want to say it would have to be excitse
talking to my husband about this, including the first one.
It has to be five total. And I think it's
not a coincidence. He doesn't think it's a coincidence. I'm
not saying when we're inside our home, you know, late
at night, sitting in our bed talking about them, that
they hear us. We have a beautiful wrapper on porch
and we love to drink coffee in the morning. We
love to drink coffee at night like that is what
we're doing sitting outside when the kids go to bed.
We have a lot of free time like that, especially me,
and I've seen a lot. And I'm telling you it's
after I get done with this, I just want it's
not a coincidence. It's not like when we talk about them,
things happen. They I think they hear us. It just
can't be a coincidence because I don't think. I think
the universe like you're supposed to look for signs, you know,
like a lot of my prayers have been answered throughout
the years, and I believe that you're supposed to look
for signs, and when it seems it happens more than
once more than twice more than three times, then it's
not a coincidence anymore.
Speaker 1: Wow, what a shame. And by the way, Mike from
Long Island Bigfoot, thanks so much for the support for
the done. But yeah, what a shame here. You want
to sit on your porch and have coffee and just
enjoy the view and the property, but you can't because
of these guys being around. At any moment, you might
have another one pop up. That's just horrible. I don't
know what to do to stop all this from happening,
other than telling you that I want you to get
the best picture of one for me. If they do
all themselves know, yeah, if you can get a great
picture to send me, if they know what your thoughts are,
if they know that's going through your head, they're going
to be pretty sparse around there.
Speaker 2: So that's why I was, like, I told my husband,
I said, I do not want to do the show
at our house. I said, We're going to your mother
in lass. I said, I can't. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm just so He's like, I really wouldn't have to
stay home this weekend I said, I can't do it.
I'm sorry, I said, we need to go there. I said,
I just would feel way more comfortable if I wasn't
at home talking about this.
Speaker 1: Whatever you have to do to be comfortable doing this,
you should do. So I'm glad that you did decide
to leave home and do this. Whether it's going to
make a difference on them coming back around, I don't know.
But if they do have the ability to read your thoughts,
like I said, if they know that Tiffany is actively
trying to get a good photo of them, I'd be
awfully surprised if you did have any good opportunities to
snap a photo.
Speaker 2: So I know, I always do want to ask my
neighbors too, because we don't have trail cams up. I
want to ask them, you know, at one point, like
I mean, they've lived here just as long as I have, Like,
have you seen you know, I'm sure at least my
one neighbor I'm sure has trel cams up. I just
wonder if he's ever done anything on them, you know,
because he's an older gentleman. So I just I don't
want to be that crazy person not counting there for
asking ask questions.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I can appreciate that concern, but between
the two of you, only one of you knows true reality.
If you are knocking on their door, it's for a
valid reason. Whether they see the validity in that or not,
that's on them. But you know the truth, they don't.
So if they do think you're crazy, that's a them problem,
not a tising problem.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, and I don't want to bring if
nothing's happened to them, like or they're property, I don't
want to bring attention to it. But it would be
really neat if I could get some kind of like
night camera or something that could take pictures in our
right at the like the tree line at our property,
that would be really neat because that's when you can
see in most of the time, that's when you can
spot them.
Speaker 1: Well, keep your head on the swivel. If that opportunity
does present itself to get that million dollar photo, you
know who wants to see it. So hopefully that knowledge
will keep them away.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, I hope it does.
Speaker 1: All right, Tiffany, please tell us about those encounters. Now,
give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we're going back to two thousand and two.
So I got married young at eighteen. We had our
first child in two thousand and it would have been
two thousand and one, and you know, very young, very
young couple. We were doing what we could at the time,
what we thought was right, you know, getting married, getting
a little apartment. We both were working, you know. And
then he's like, you know, I think it'd be great.
We did afford daycare, say oh, with our chick, with
our kid, and I said, sure, I think that would
be great for now because things are overwhelming. So and
saying we have the tiny apartment, Well, my uncle he
worked for IBM at the time, and he was building
this beautiful like he had these blueprints for this beautiful
free story log heaven. Like it would be like a
finish basement. You're talking like the the I guess the
second floor, and then the third floor, and the third
floor would have a wrap around balcony. And you know,
it's out in the sticks of Tiber County. And if
you go on any Google map and look that up
a little bit, you can you can see what I'm
talking about. So we're up probably fifteen miles from a
rural town. Anyways, so our driveway is about a quarter
of a mile long. And as you're my uncle Tim's driveway,
as you're going up at it's beautiful, like the property
is just beautiful. As you're going up that driveway, you
look down and you can see the pond. It's a
big pond and it's got like a fast flowing I
guess you call it like a stream or a creek
that kind of goes like, I don't know, ten or
twenty feet next to it and then tree lined behind
where you know the houses, and there's a garage that
he had made. And he made this garage into like
a home, and he it was like a cottage and
then he called it the garagage. So that's where he
lived while he was building the house. All the house
is half built. And he called me up one day
and he said me' tiff, He goes, do you want
to do you want to come stay? He goes, and
any you guys have happened on a hard time right now,
you know all you would have to do is pay
utilities and make me some food suntack. And I said
that sounds amazing, So of course, you know, we took
him up on the offer. I think we moved in
June of two thousand and two, so husband work night shift.
Everything was going great, you know, like I would take
my son down to the pond. There was like a
little like a little rowboat type thing. I never felt
comfortable with putting him like in his car seat in
that or whatever. Again, young mom, but he did. My
Uncleton did have this little kitten and you know, like
when the baby sleep and I run down to the
pond and i'd you know, row around in the fish
and grow do some fishing, rowing around in the pond
with the little kitten and like in the in the rowboat.
Never had a problem. And so this would have been October,
a couple of days before Halloween, maybe a day or
the day before. And it's around eleven o'clock at night.
And I only know this because of like the minutes
it took me before I had to call some somebody.
I heard this crash, like I mean, it sounded like
a car had rolled over into the house. And alls
I'm thinking as that it happened, is the garagage is
built like on in like a slope, so like half
of the side of it is like on a hill,
like a mini hill tiny, and I thought it like
a deer head slipped down, had like fallen on like
the wet leaves because it's all them, you know, and
hit the side of the house and I'm like, oh
my god. So I go and I, you know, want
to check on the baby. I go. We don't. Again,
just to let you guys know, we don't have any
blinds in this house and feel that any that there
was any need to have them, because so far out
we had some curtains on some windows, and my son
had curtains on his windows. They were They're always open though,
so as I'm walking through these room, I have eyes
on him and crib and as I'm walking on something,
I don't know if it was like a movement from
my right side or what. But as I turned to
the right and I'm standing in the doorway, I see
I'm thinking, I'm looking at my reflection in the window.
And then as soon before I even registered in my head,
I felt it in my chest, like I felt my
heart pounding, and that's I'm like, oh my gosh, that's
not my reflection and I'm looking at I must have
turned my head a little sideways because it's like as
soon as this creature noticed that I noticed him like
or it like it, it went crazy. I'm not looking
at a human, I'm looking at something with these like
very right eyes huge. You knows. It's Harry. And that's
all I see. When I'm in the window, and I'm like,
oh my gosh. I crawl on the floor to my
son's crib, crawl like army crawl like I don't know
what that's gonna do, you know. And I hear this thing.
It sounds like like a six hundred pound man trying
to run a marathon. Is what it sounded like. That's
the only way I can describe it. It sounded horrible,
like very awful. And I grabbed my son and I
run up like this this place is tiny, this grudge,
it is tiny. So I run out to the where
the kitchen counter is. We're not finished building that all
the way yet. The well we had knocked it down.
They made it like an L shape, so I'm hiding
underneath it and I hear this thing and I'm like,
oh my gosh. The phone. The phone at that time, Okay,
so we're talking two thousand and two, I had like
one of those phones that you like put on the charger.
I didn't have a cell phone. I didn't have any
of that then, So one like to the bedroom, grab
the phone, and I'm run back to my son and
he's said he's trying to crawl around, and I'm like,
oh my gosh, no, please sit still, sweating profusely, like
I don't think I've much like even giving labor to
my kids. I'm like, sweat is pouring off my face.
And I called my mom one and I can hear
this thing and it's going around the house. It's going
around the house, and all of a sudden, my door
handle starts going up down, up, down, up down, and
I'm like, oh my gosh, did I lock the door.
I don't know if I lock the door. And I'm
talking to the nine to one one this stature, and
she's she can hear That's how loud this thing was.
She could hear him. She could hear it. And I
don't know why I keep saying him, because I'm still
not sure if it was a male. But I guess
when you're looking at these things and they don't look feminine,
it's easy to call them and him, you know, just
because it mails up bigger they're they're more masculine, and
that's exactly what this thing looked like. So she's like,
at first, she's like, Okay, yep, we'll get somebody up there,
you know, like very like nonchalant. As soon as she
hears like everything going on, her tone changed and it
made me more nervous. And she was like, they're they're
going to be there, They'll be right there, and she's
trying to talk me through this, and I think it's
a good idea to pop my head up over the
countertop so I have a picture window that would be
right to the left, not even seven eight feet away
this thing. This thing had to have been nine feet
or more tall, because that's how tall you would have
to be for your head to be where his was.
And I don't think he saw were I was because
if he, if it did, it would have been looking
right at me. I think I guarantee it. And it
was looking past, like way past me, to like where
my television was. The only light in the house that
was on was the TV. And it's that I'm like,
it's Halloween. It's almost Halloween. Somebody's playing a prank on me.
It's got to be a prank. I keep saying this,
and I had like, and I don't think my uncle
would do something like this, but somebody's messing with me.
And when I seen this creature move its eyes, move
its mouth, the way it's the way everything his features
were moving on its face, I absolutely was in the costume.
It wasn't fake. It was real. And that's something I
don't ever forget. I was scared at the time it happened.
I'm glad I was very young when I happened, and
that nobody really talked about it after the fact, so
I guess it was kind of kind of easy to
move on from it. But I as this this thing
I couldn't really tell I couldn't tell you if it
was brown black, It looked dark, looked like very dark fur.
But I can tell you what the eyes look like
for sure. And the eyes were like this this yellow,
this very bright yellow with like a red i'm gonna
say red or orange of ring right around the pupil,
like right where the pupil was. And I just remember
that because I remember it. I moving back and forth,
like looking at the TV, looking up, looking at the TV,
looking up. It's not looking at me, and I'm thinking, Okay,
it doesn't know where I am, and then it kind
of does, like every time it would breathe out, it
would move its mouth up a little bit, like the
one side of it's like like where its mount was.
It like it would move just a little bit, and
I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like, this is terrifying.
So it's like as soon as that happened and I
went back down and I'm like, it's gonna get me.
It's gonna come right through that picture window and it's
gonna get my baby. Because I was worried that like
maybe my son was crying and I didn't hear it
and that's what brought it. I wasn't sure. So she's
still talking and she goes, they should be there any minute.
They should be there any minute, and it had to
be taken them at least twelve fifteen minutes to get
to my house. Well, this this thing, I could hear
it leaving. I can hear the like the thump, like
I could hear stop. It sounded like it was stomping,
but I'm sure it was just walking away. And then
I can hear you can hear it like it was
like short short steps and then long, but like you
know when you can tell something going faster, and then
it wasn't even I'd say forty five seconds to thirty
to forty five seconds. After that that, I had four
State troopers in my driveway, two sheriffs and one game Morden.
And when I tell you that they went back there
with the dog, they had two dogs. They went back
there with the dog, and they said to my husband
at the time, we followed it back about two miles
and then we lost the scent, you know, face closed,
end of story. That's what I thought. Anyways, I left
that very next morning, and I promised myself I would
never go back there ever ever ever moved in with
my mom, which I said I would never do, also
moved in with my mom, and you know, I guess
according to my uncle, you know, they had people up
there for uh for weeks, you know, so if it
was just, oh, it's nothing like we lost the send whatever,
I'm sure they wouldn't have people up there for weeks
looking for whatever this may be.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I never got to ask, you know, my uncle
about that, because before I even knew about god manner
or anything, he you know had passed away. So you know,
here I am with my life, getting on with that.
Like it didn't take me very long to get up
to get on with that, because I've had, like I said,
I've had a lot of trum in my life, so
that compared to everything that's happened throughout the years, didn't
seem too bad at the time. And I am on.
I've been looking for houses roughly at this time in
my life for like a year or now, and all
of a sudden I see on our like realtor website
that my uncle's house just come up for sale, and
I am like, all a little too much. Then what
I can do? You know what I did? I wanted
that house so bad, like he was like, I didn't
have a dad growing up, so my uncle to me
was like my father, like he he raised me. So
I lost. I have a very short circle in my life.
I have two friends, you know what I'm saying. I
got six children, two friends, and I just he was
everything to me at one point in my life. And
as soon as I see this house book for sale,
I said to myself, I only make it my goal.
I will have this house. I need it. I need
it I want it. I want to be there. It's
what I want anyways, you know, I want to be
out in the I want to be out. It was
something familiar in my life that sounded good at that point.
So I'm working three jobs. I am able to get
the house. I get it. I'm raising my kids there.
Everything is fine. That incident comes up every once I
don't on like you know, a night that the kids
go to bed early and I have nothing going on
to do, where a scary show comes on or something.
You know that that always sticks with me a little bit.
But for some reason, because I think I wanted this
house so bad, I pushed it to the back of
my head like it didn't really happen. It's not what
I thought I saw whatever. And it was like eight
months later after I moved in is when I saw
the first one. So I'm just thinking that I'm seeing
something in the free line. It's before I have to
go to work, and I keep seeing something go in
and out behind a tree, in and out behind a tree.
But I'm like, I'm like, it's not a person. I
can see ears, I can see hair, but it's tall
and it's not even clicking. Still it's not even clicking
to my encounter at all. And I'm like, what is that?
And I'm like, should I get in the car? Should
I go back in the house and maybe call somebody,
you know? And I'm looking and then it drops down.
It drops down to all fours, kind of just walks
back like this is in the tree line. So I
kind of want to give you guys a picture of
what this is like. So I have the house on
top of the hill. As you're looking down from that
wrap around porch, there's the pond and the stream after
if you look to your left, and it's about say
one hundred feet one hundred and twenty feet to the
to the tree line is where I'm looking. So I'm up.
You know, I'm up. Well, I'm like the second floor,
I guess you could call it, and I keep going
in and out like the floor to try to see
if I can see it. Has anybody ever done this
where like you're looking through a window and you're like,
I don't know, maybe I can see it better from outside.
So you go and you're looking at something you know
from or maybe you open up your window to see
something better and said, I'm I'm like that I go outside,
not even thinking and just thing, like I said, drops off,
of course, walks back into the tree line. Don't think
anything of it. Well, it's like a week later. I'm
I think it was my day off. I had to
have them my day off because it was in the
middle of the day. I'd say it was like two
thirty two. Yeah, it was two thirty or three. And
I'm sitting there, I mean, in a sandwich, drinking coffee,
doing something. I don't even remember what I was doing,
but I know I had my phone in my hand,
and I'm watching this deer, this little it must have
been a young deer, like just out of like little babyhood.
At the pond. They come there all the time, the
sun whatever, you know, everyone some mom glanceing at it,
and all of a sudden, it starts doing something I've
never seen an animal do on my property before. And
it starts like making like coffy noises and stop on
its feet, and I'm like, oh, I'm like, I wonder
if And even before I could even think, I wonder
if something's like in the water, like making it mad
or whatever, this this creature was on top of him
in no time like before I could put my coffee down,
like I couldn't even set my coffee down fast enough
for that'dn't happen. And when I say that it killed
this thing in probably three seconds, I don't know if
it broke it broke its neck. I don't know if
it broke its back. I don't know what it did
to it. It didn't even make a sound. It didn't
even make a sound. It just was limp and was done.
And I don't know like if it if the document
came from the tree line or if it came from
behind the garage or where. I don't know, because it
happened that fast. And when I say that, I've never
seen an animal, regular animal do this in my life.
It's not looking at me. I only see the back
of it, and it's like it kind of looks like
it's kneeling over the deer. The deer's limp and it
took this creature took a knee. It took a knee
like a football player would take a me. And that's
when I'm that's when everything from before is going back
and I'm like, oh my gosh, I wasn't crazy, this
is real. This is exactly what I thought it was
is exactly what I think it is. Now. This thing
doesn't look as scary and as ugly as the other
as what I seen a long time ago. But then again,
I'm young. I was young, you know. I'm not saying that.
Something kind of gotten twisted in my head a little bit,
and I'm seeing this one from further away. But it's black.
It's very black, like a black shepherd. It looked like
a big, big black shepherd with like a cross between
a wolf, kind of like just a tiny, tiny little bit.
And when it took the knee, it like looked like
it was having like a hard time, like trying to
get up on two legs, and then it got it.
It got it up on two legs. And when it
took that knee and then took that deer and it
stuck it underneath its right arm, looked right up at me.
I don't know if he knew I would it knew
I was there the whole time. He had like it
looked right up at me, looked right back to the
tree line, and nonchalantly just strolled strided. Now, when this
thing walked, it walked with oh gosh, I'm gonna call
it like if an old person has a cane like
when their hits hurt. It walked exactly like that, and
it walked right back to the tree line after it
got past the tree line. I think I sat there
on that porch for a good hour. I was waiting
for her to come back. Yeah, maybe processing what I
was saying. I'm not sure, but I forgot. I forgot
this part. But when it was coming up on that deer,
right before it got to that deer and got like
got to it, I like was on it and like
killed it in three seconds. It made this stopping and
made this noise. It was like a growl. It was
like but it was like something like have you ever
turned gotten in your vehicle and turned the music up
so loud that the base of like shaking everything and
you can hear it like in your chest and like
even in your back and your heartbeat and stuff. That's
exactly what this thing did. And it didn't stop until
that deer didn't move. The deer looked like it was
gonna run, but it didn't run, and then all of
a sudden, like it killed it in like three seconds.
Like I said, I don't even know how it killed it,
because it happened so fast. I don't and I've never
I've never had an encounter at our home like that since.
And I don't know, because when my husband first started
coming around to the house, it was like he'd stay over,
like I don't know, once or twice a week. Nothing
would happen, nothing would happen, you know, there was nothing
going on normal life. It's when he started staying like
the weekend in two days, and then he would start
bringing his like four wheelers and side by sides over.
We would set up stuff like in the trail marker,
and I was nervous. I was nervous to tell him anything.
I was like, I can't tell him that these things
are here. I can't or like he might not want
to be with me, he might want to, you know,
Like I'm just I was so paranoid and so nervous
about it because sometimes people just don't understand. And I
didn't want to lose something because they thought I was crazy.
And our stuff started getting torn down and everything, and
he's like, that's when Vic's channel got brought up because
we started having this conversation. I said, there's these creatures here.
I've got to tell you something, and I told them about,
you know, two thousand and two, I told them about
what I had seen, you know, since I've moved here.
I said, if you look for them, you'll see them.
I said that they don't make their self pronounced, but
they are right now. The reckon stuff they're they were
trashing all the stuff you put up for a side
by side out on the trail. They were the scratch
in the garage, they were we had some scratches on
the brand new truck that he had. And it's like, you,
do you really think that it's I said, yeah, I do,
I absolutely do. I said, what else would do that?
You know what I mean, You're not going to have
a IOI come up and do that to a kit.
There's no one that's going to be walking down here,
you know, doing that too. That's the only thing I
could associate it with. And I don't know if it's
because it was a new person that was around, you know,
the property, and you know, like, oh, they're staying, they're
going to be here for a while. Oh my gosh,
these things are noisy. I'm sure I can only imagine,
you know. And it got to the point where, you know,
we have you know his kids. We have my kids,
and you know, we do have an eighteen month old,
so we have very young children here, you know, And
I just I got very nervous. I started crying, and
I started getting really upset, and I said, I think
we might have to move. I think that that might
be the end of my journey for this property, a
place where I thought that I would live the rest
of my days out So he always very understanding, and
he's like, let's sleep on it, maybe give it a week,
you know, see how you feel after that. But I'm
behind you no matter what. He's like. I know, he's like,
I've seen a little bit here and there is like that.
I haven't had a bad encounter like you have, so
I don't think it's obviously. He doesn't think it's, you know,
that that much of a you know, big deal. He's like,
I've only heard stories and I've only you know, heard
about yours. He's like, I see the huge head, you know,
out in the tree line, I see the eyes at night,
I see this. I see that. He's like, but nothing's
ever come up to me, nothing's ever bothered me. Who
goes the truck? I'm mad about you? Know he goes
little stuff like that he goes, but it's nothing that
we can't work around. But in my home, I'm thinking,
maybe it's just gonna get worse. We should probably just
go and it's crushing my dreams, but I need my
family to be safe, so it wasn't. The very next day.
Every morning I take my trash out to the garage,
and I don't do it at night for a reason.
I don't do it at night because I'm scared. I
don't want to go out to the garage at night.
It's it's a little ways away from the house, not
too far, but far enough to where if I ran,
maybe I trip and fall. So I got too scared,
so I take the garbage out, put it in the
bend in the back of the garage. I'm coming back out.
As I'm coming back out of the garage, I hear
what sounds like a like a sneeze or like a sniff.
I know no one else is outside with me, and
so I turn and I turn to the left. It's
side of the garage where and like uh where like
the door is, and then the garage ends goes all
the way back and as I'm looking I see something brown,
dark brown coming out of behind the garage, and I
got a little bit of weeds there, like where he
didn't we reckon. I'm so mad about like because I'm
always like please, like just get the sides. And I
see this, this huge dog coming out. Now. This one
is not like the one that I seen before. The
one that I seen beforehead like the shepherd, like a
black shepherd mixed like a wolf. This one was like
rounded ears, dark brown, dark brown to the point where
I mean, this is a broad daylight, so I can
see this very good. And it's got like a little
bit of reddish to it, like really dark brown, like
maybe so dark brown that it's like reddish a little bit.
I don't know. It's hard to explain, but it's got
round of the ear is almost like a hyena, huge
ears off to the to the side of it's not
all the way to the side of its head, but
like kind of like on the top like where hyaenas
ears would be. And I'm staring at it and I'm
thinking in my head, how long do I have to
make it from where I am right now to my
front door because my kids are inside. I said, this
thing is three times the size of the biggest German
shepherd I've ever seen. And it's probably about fifteen feet
from me. And as it's moving, it's still moving, so
it's kind of like what you call like like an
army call, Like it's like laying down, but like has
its legs been underneath it, and it's moving, but it's
moving the side of its body. It's moving the side
so I can see its face. And then it kind
of like gets up a little bit, moves its arms
out and has its This is how I know that
it's not a dog. It's not a regular dog. It's
not a wolf. It's nothing like that. It had these
hands in the like raccoon looking hands, and their hands
its knuckles were like pointed inwards, so like it was
like I guess if you took your hand and you
pressed your fingers towards your body, It's exactly what it
looked like. And it had a thumb, and its thumb
was the same way, and it was like as it
was getting up, it like moved them forward and then
it would move them back. And I'm watching it do this,
and as I'm watching it, kind of get up on
it like a dog would say all of a sudden,
there's two eyes and a little snout that pokes out
from underneath it, like underneath its hind quarter, like pushed
right through, you know. And I'm like, oh my gosh,
it's a little one. It's a little one, like it's
a young one or a baby. But the size of
this thing was like a six month old German shepherd,
you know. It wasn't real tiny, but it was tinier
than what I was looking at. And I could tell
it was a female. And the way I could tell
it was a female it is because it had it
looked like four breasts, like so when you see like
a dog after it's had babies and it's been nursing
for a while. That's exactly what this looked like. But
way bit like the it was way bigger, and all
of a sudden, as I'm looking, i see another little
face poke like out behind it a little bit, and
I'm like, there's two. And I'm thinking, oh my gosh,
like I came out at the wrong time, like it's
going to get me. I'm near it's young, like a bear,
you know, and I'm scared. I'm terrified to look at
this thing's face because I feel like as soon as
I look up in this thing's eyes or whatever it's
going to become, it's going to get me. And I'm
looking and I kind of just like look sideways up
at it. And the look on this creature's face was pity.
I felt like it looked like a dog that's been scolded.
That's exactly what it looked like. And I don't know
how long it was. Could have been one to two minutes.
It felt like it was twenty minutes that I was
staring at this and it kind of just the two
little ones just like I don't know if they popped
back behind her and just like vanished because I was
staring at her. They were gone. And then she kind
of just moved herself over back over like she was.
She never moved like where her hind quarters were though
they kept they stayed in the same place. And then
the one like kind of just popped over and she
was gone. She was gone out the back side of
the garage. I ran to the house and I didn't
come out. I called my husband, I'll let him know
what happened, and I go, what do you think? I mean?
I think we've stayed up forever talking that night about it,
I said, what do you think do you think my
crazy mind is? I'm always like a you know, believer.
I'm always like a sign like I see. I want
to believe in all the signs that I see. You know,
I got to be a realistic but I want to
be like, maybe this is a sign. Maybe it's just
I'm supposed to stay here. Maybe she was showing me like,
look like you want to leave because don't get me
wrong here because I know, like he said, like my
husband said, no, Tiffany, I don't think that she was like,
look like I can you know, relate with you. We
both have kids. No, it wasn't like that at all.
But I told them, I said, I don't think it's
a coincidence that we were out on the porch again
talking last night. I'm crying. We're talking about leaving this
sent and the other thing, and then this happens. Why
they just, like Vick said, there's not one thing that
they don't do that does not have a reason behind it.
And I do think that that was the reason. Was like, oh,
you know what, we really don't want to relocate. Maybe
and I'm thinking in my head, how long have they
been there. I've never seen them. I've only seen the
one and then the one previously. I've never seen them.
How long have they been here? You know? And it's
like as soon as that happened, it wasn't even two
weeks later. That. Like when you're sitting out on the
back porch at night and it's pitch black dark, that's
why I like it. Sometimes on really cloudy nights, like
when it's dark and you can't see the moon, like
there's no light from the moon obviously, don't have street
nothing out here, you can see like, I don't know
what they have in their eyes to make them. I'm
not going to say they glow, but they're very right
to make them bright enough to where it looks like
I mean, you can see them. You can see them
when they're messing around in the trees. You can see
them when they're you know, down by the creek. They
never come to the pond though, they do not come,
not that I've ever seen, and I've never seen them
like peeking in windows anything like that. But like when
we're sitting out here late at night, we can see them.
I was telling Vic, I said, it's funny because the
first time I was talking about this in a while,
would have been a week or so ago when I
was talking a VIC and I said, my husband stands
up on the porch and kind of like see he
like takes like a like a like a breath back,
and he's like, oh, you know, and he goes turn around.
He goes look behind the cattails in the pond, and
you just see this massive, massive doghead. And I'm just like, yep, yep,
here we go, you know, And I just I get
so worked up a little bit about it and so paranoid. Now.
A funny thing is is my uncle always used to
tell me before I moved in, when I was a
kid and he had the garage the garagage, and also
when he was building his house and we moved in,
he would always say, Tiffy, don't go outside at night.
You know. There's bobcats. Bobcats. They're bobcats. There's two bobcats here.
They'll get you like you do not go outside. They
make horrible noises, they're awful, you know. And I always wonder,
I'm never going to be able to know this ever,
And I always wonder like did he know? Did he know?
And my mother you know, us talking about this this
week and me telling her I'm going to be on
the show, and hey, you know, remember that that thing
that happened back in two thousand and two, and she
was like, Tiffy, She's like, I got to tell you something.
She's like when that happened, She goes, we had two
She was like, I I'm guessing they were detectives or
you know, worked for the Shaff's office or whoever come
here to let us know, Hey, is this going to
be Tiffany's residence? Now? You know, what she saw probably
was like a neighbor's dog or coyote, and I think
she might be having a mental break, so just keep
like a real close eye on her. But my mom
never told me any of that, you know, until like
we would just were having this conversation about it, and
I you know, that upsets me a little bit. I'm
not gonna lie, but it just goes to show that
like these things are still like the like you can't
tell the wrong people. I guess that you've seen them
because I can't imagine if I decided to go. And
that's why I feel horrible, like absolutely awful for these
people who have encounters and just h they're not believed
and they're made to be like crazy and stuff. Because
if I was to go further with what I seem
back in two thousand and two, I don't know where
i'd be today. I guess, you know, and I guess
I can just think my lucky stars that things have
turned out the way that they are, and and that's
I guess. That's basically all I have to say. I'm
sorry if I've gone on a little too far.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. No, the more you tell us
about your experiences, the better I want you to remember something, Tiffany,
when something frightened has happened on your property, you felt
like you've been able to retreat back into the cabin
there or your home now. But that really is no barrier.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are people out there thinking, oh my gosh,
don't tell her that. Well, Tiffany's more than intelligent enough
to know that walls are not going to pose any
barrier to this to a dog me and that wants
to break into the home and get her its hands
on Tiffany. But the great news is that hasn't happened,
because none of the dog men that have been around
your property, have wanted to do that, like we talked
about in that first encounter or that first conversation that
we had. As long as you remember that when you
think about that first encounter and maybe you start to
think about things in the wrong way and the hairs
start to stand up on the back of your neck
and everything, well if you remember that fact right there,
that will help snap you back into reality, because that's
clearly the truth. But when you have the first encounter
that dog me in, it acted like it wanted to
get you, but what was stopping it. I mean, it
could have easily broken in and gotten you and your
son if that's what it wanted to do, but that
didn't happen because it didn't want to do that. So yeah,
please keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: It's so hard, Like like I said, who were just
saying like love and hate. I go back and forth
with it, like, yeah, I know, you're absolutely right, but
there's still that like human scare factor because there's so
many shows out there that are like they're killers, they're killers,
you know, like these horror stories, and it's of course
it's going to play in the back of your mind sometimes.
But I think you're right. I mean, you've said this.
It's like your motto. You know, if they wanted to
get you, they would.
Speaker 1: Well, that's right, if I had a nickel for every
time I told and I witnessed was having a hard
time coming to terms with their encounters or encounter this
next statement nine to nine point nine percent of the
time when an eye witnesses trouble coming to terms with
their experiences with dog men or an experience with a
dog man, it's not their fault. It's just due to
the inability to see the true nature of what happened
and to be able to consequently read into why the
dog and did what it did and why the dog
man didn't do what it didn't do. A perfect example,
Yef and eye witness tell you about how they decided
to go for a walk one day in the woods,
and they went ahead and parked the ranger, and they
grabbed a backpack off the seat, and they headed out
and across the green field and into the woods. Well,
they got about four hundred yards from the ranger and
all of a sudden, this big wearwolf flicking thing jumps
out and is right in front of them. So they're
just caught at a total loss trying to figure out
what they should do, and the only thing that they
can think of is because they were lightning fast as
a runner. And they go on to tell you how
in college they're actually an all state sprinter. They tell
you how they decided to bolt to the ranger to
save themselves from this dangerous monster. Well, you ask them,
did you look to see if it was chasing you?
And they tell you, oh, yeah, And every time I
looked over my shoulder, this dog man was about six
feet behind me. But thank goodness, I was just fast
enough to beat it all four hundred yards back to
the ranger. Of course, it was six feet behind me
every time I looked over my shoulder at it, at
the thing, but thank goodness, I was fast enough to
beat it back to the ranger. I mean, it's obvious
what's going on, but exactly it was messing with you.
And yeah, I mean, as long as you whatever, you're traumatized,
to the point that so many of these eyewitnesses are traumatized,
it's going to take you off your game. You're not
going to see through the forest and see the trees
because you're so off your game. You're so so taken
aback by your experience or experiences that you can't think
through it logically. But for someone who wasn't there and
they share with you a clear outside opinion of what happened,
then it all makes sense. And when you think about
what they're sharing with you and you think, you know what,
that's a really good point. Four hundred yards back to
the ranger, and it was six feet behind me the
whole time. Wow, I guess he's got a point there.
It was messing with me. There's a huge difference, Tiffany,
as you know, between being messed with me and the
boys was just funn in with you and actually having
something like that that's out to get you. You clearly
are not in a situation where any of these dog
men are out to get you, because if they were,
we wouldn't be having this conversation tonight.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I wanted to get back to the point
where like my husband can ride his book like side
by side back at the house, where he doesn't have
to drive thirty minutes to his friend's house and keep
his stuff there and ride there, you know what I mean.
So we have the property, like we should be able
to do it. Here, and the reason we don't is
because we feel like there would be repercussions for that.
But you know, that's where I feel like irritated. I
guess with the situation that we have going on.
Speaker 1: Here, Well, I can understand why you would be irritated
that you shouldn't have to go through all this. If
your husband wants to go out and have some side
by side fun, then he should be able to do that.
If you want to be able to sit on the
porch a three am and have some coffee without a care,
you should be able to do that. But you can't
because of what we're talking about tonight, which is just
ridiculous that they've decided to camp out there and do
these things.
Speaker 2: That's why I laugh when people see why do people
say that these creatures, these dogmen don't have like a
little bit of like human characteristic in them, like intelligence?
Absolutely do. No other animal is going to come here
and be like, uh, you know, we're mad that you're
doing this, so we're gonna mess with you this way.
This isn't besides like maybe like a sasquatch or a
dog man. I mean, that's you know, that's just the
logic of it, and I only know one side of it,
you know, I only know the dog man side of it,
and that's our life. That's our truth. So, like my
husband said, he's like, I don't care who believes us.
He's like, we know the truth. We know what's going
on here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. You do know the truth. You know
what's going on. It's unfortunate. There are things that you're
gonna know and when you try to share them with
people in your life, you're going to laugh at you.
But right, as long as you never lose sight of
the fact that you know the truth and them not
believing you has nothing to do with you. It's a
them problem, not you. As long as you keep that
in mind, then you're golden. There's no problem. It's only
when you start to let that affect you that the
problems start to creep in. But as long as you stay,
as long as you stick to the truth, you've got
this licked. So yeah, like I said, please remember that. Well,
I'll tell you what, Tiffany, Let's get to some listener
questions now. I'm pulling them from the list of the
live chat. The first one I want to ask is
from Sheery Rusk and sheery wants to know to feel
that it just wasn't meant to be because of what happened.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't understand the question what wasn't meant
to be?
Speaker 1: Well, I think if I'm reading into this right, I
think she wants to know if your dream home, your
your desire to be able to live in this dream.
Speaker 2: I always wonder that. I, like I said, a lot
of sleepless nights, been here many, many, many years. So
I've gone back and forth, and I think we both
think if something major was to happen, I guess that
was going to be bad for the family, hurting us,
anything like that, I'd feel like it wasn't meant to be.
But honestly, I don't think that at all. I think
it was meant to be for me to to find
us home again, you know, to have not a horrible encounter,
you know, not saying that it's easy, you know, with
them being around here, But I don't feel like it's
not meant to be.
Speaker 1: You're strong of character. I'm impressed. As you know, most
people couldn't do that. Most people, after the first encounter,
they would have headed for the hills.
Speaker 2: It's true, like I said, I've been through a lot,
a lot in my life, so this I can I
can deal with now. If what happened before was to
happen again or keep happening, I couldn't deal with that,
I don't think.
Speaker 1: Nope, yeah, that is a lot. I'm just so impressed
after having the experiences that you've had. Like I said,
most people would have been out of there yesterday, but no,
not you. The fact that you and your husband are
still there. It makes me wonder if maybe someday down
the road, you will be able to go back to
normal and he'll be able to have his side by
side moments and you'll be able to sit on the
porch with coffee and you won't have to worry about
them being around. I sure hope that wants that's the goal. Yeah,
that'd be wonderful, it really would. And this next one
is more of a comment than a question. Baby girl said,
so you may have a dog man clan around. Well, understand,
baby girl. There's a lot of talk out there about
dog men clans, and I'm one of those people that
doesn't believe in dogman clans because if you think about
their daily CLOrk requirements, I mean my daily cloric requirements
probably twenty five hundred, close to three thousand, maybe maybe
a little more. But with these guys being as big
as they are, their daily cloric requirements for a big
one would be ridiculous. Okay, imagine if you had a
group of dog men together. Well, the resources in any
particular area can only support so many predators. If you
have a group of huge predators in an area, they're
going to deplete those resources almost overnight. The reason why
large predators apex predators move around a huge home range
is to avoid depleting the resources in any of those
particular areas. It's like a self sustaining process. Stay here
for a little bit, move on, stay there for a
little while, move on, And by doing that, it's a
healthy balance. The areas that they left yesterday or the
area they left last week, it's still rebuilding by the
time they get back there, but it's at a healthy
level still when they come back with dog men, if
you had a group of them, they'd wipe everything out
in whatever area they stayed in, so it would be
a true hunter killer situation. They couldn't go back to
the areas that they lived in for any period of
time because that's now a depleted area. So yeah, that's
why I don't believe in this idea, the notion that
you can have dog men clans. I'm not saying that
they can't come together. I think occasionally they might come
together and be found in numbers, but I think that's
clearly the exception rather than the rule.
Speaker 2: The next ones, I think that you're right. I think
that that they can because it's been years, like from
seeing one to then like seeing the other ones. I
think that they move around and I think they're like
they maybe can sent sense that maybe was here before,
and it's like, oh hmm, this might be a cool
place to stick around for a little bit. I think
you're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that just might be what's behind it. It looks
like she has another question. She wants to know. Do
you think the dog men are sensing your fear?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do, I do, But I don't think it's
turned out bad this time around. Maybe if this was
to have happened six years ago, when that one document
encounter happened with the deer, I think it could have
turned out a lot worse. If I would have been
outside on my porch crying, upset that they were around
and here. But but for now, I'm paranoid, absolutely paranoid
about it. Yes, because I do feel that they can
sense my fear, because when I start talking about it,
I do have anxiety really bad, and I feel like
they start showing themselves. Maybe I'm just I'm looking for
them more after that, you know, it's like it's like
you're seeing bear out in the woods and you're not
used to seeing bear out in the woods. But then,
like you know, life goes out. You're taking care of kids,
you're doing your dishes, you're cooking, you're cleaning, you're you know,
just doing whatever, and you happen to see one outside
when you're looking. Now when you have anxiety and you're like,
oh my gosh, there is we're outside. There's they're outside,
and you're looking and you're looking, and you're looking like
you're bound to see one sooner or later. I definitely
think that they can sense my fear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pretty intuitive. I'm sure they do sense it
as well. Talking about the whole fear thing, This next
question from Richard Edwards touches on that he wants to
know do you think they likes scaring you. Do they
get pleasure from your fear?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm sure they probably do. I Like I said,
I've only had that one encounter where that has happened.
And I don't even know if that would have happened
if he didn't realize that I've seen it. I think
that it only went crazy. It was like, oh, I've
been spotted. Who knows how many times it was looking
in the window, you know. So I'm not sure. Only
from my experience and my experience lately, I don't think
that they get pleasure from my anxiety, or they'd be
out here knocking on my windows and stuff like that.
Just like Vic said, with like any creature that's got
some kind of intelligence for us human beings, like you've
got the good people and you've got the bad. You know,
you're going to have bad actors and you're going to
have good actors, and I think we have good ones
at the moment. Thank God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank God is right. Although, like I've said countless times,
these guys are not wired to be dangerous to people.
Can they be dangerous to people? You better believe it,
But they're not wired to be that way. A cat
is wired to be dangerous to mice and rudents in
general period the things as well. That's just how they're wired.
If the opportunity presents itself in almost every case, yeah,
they are going to try and kill the rodent. But
with dog men it's clearly not the case. I've had
tons of people over the years say, well, Vic, you
don't know about the people. You've never spoken with the
people who've been killed by dog men, And that's true
for anyone who's been killed by a dog man. No,
I haven't spoken with them, but I'll tell you what
I have spoken with. Who I have spoken with thousands,
thousands and thousands. Think about it, thousands and thousands of
people who are caught dead to rights by the dogmen
they encountered, and could have been dispatched easily by the
dogmen they encountered, but they're allowed to go without a
single scratch. Now, if I spoke with five people who
could tell me that, five credible eyewitnesses, that'd be one thing.
But a pool of thousands upon thousands of people who
were caught again dead to rights, dead to rights, but
allowed to leave without a single scratch, without a single
hair in their heads being harmed, That right, There is
clear proof that these guys are not wired to be
deadly and dangerous to us. They're not gonna harm us
as soon as the opportunity presents itself in most cases.
That's not to say Again, that's not to say that
there aren't deviant ones that will kill you as soon
as they get the opportunity. Because any critter out there
in the woods, I mean, you are gonna have deviant ones. Horses, pigs, kimels, goats, elephants,
you name it. People. There are examples of deviant people.
All these animals you name it, and the air devient examples.
So why should dogmen be any different? But there's a
reason why I say that these guys are not wired
to be that way. And that's the reason. This next
question is from Mike's Surda, and Mike wants to know
have you had any of it pure normally experiences?
Speaker 2: No, I can't say what I have. I mean I
did tell VIC about one time me and my daughter,
I used to take her to daycare. Like where we
live in Taga County. Even the highway is rural like
it's around woods most of it is. So I was
taking her to the daycare one morning, I think it
was like five five point thirty in the morning, and
there's like a bend in eighty one on the highway
and it's right next to a golf course and there's
like a swampy area there, you know, lots of woods,
lots of trees. It's not like this high class thing.
I mean you're talking like in the sticks golf course.
So as I'm driving, I see like this. It looks
like a big Harry bent over creature black and it
looks like it's down in the ditch by the highway.
And this is like a seventy seventy five mile per
hour highway, so it's fast, it's not slow, and this
thing is running bent over like trying to hide itself,
but it's not being very good at it, because like
anybody driving by that looked over to the left would
be able to see it, you know. And I started
slowed down a little bit because I see it the
ears and in my head I'm like, oh my gosh,
I've seen this before, you know, And have my daughter
with me and she's like, what's that And I'm like, oh,
I'm like I'm not sure. I go it might have
just been a bear or something. I'm like, I don't
know what it is. It's got long hair, you know,
and we kind of slowed down, and then I'm like,
maybe we should just keep going. You know, I have
her with me. I don't know what this is. I'm
just going to keep going. And honestly, besides that, I
have not had any other paranormal activity in my life.
Besides what's what I've told you guys.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you've had enough between the dog men
and that, I'd say you have. Have you ever played
with a Wiji board at any time in your life?
Speaker 2: No? I haven't.
Speaker 1: I See the reason why I asked that is almost
every time I asked that question. Well, I guess I'm
getting ahead of myself here. If I had a nickel
forerdh tell, I asked, and I witness that question and
they said no. Well other than the one time when
I was in college and we played with one for
about an hour.
Speaker 2: No, and my sister wanted two so bad, so bad.
Like we were at a Thanksgiving dinner at my mom's
you know, family's house, and they got out the Ouiji board,
the kids did, and my mom she must have came
in right at the right time because she pulled us
girls upstairs and she was like, if I catch you ever,
you know, playing with that. She was like, that'll be
the end of your summer that we never played with one.
Speaker 1: Well, good for her, I'm glad she set you straight. Yep, yeah,
you don't want any part of that sort of thing. Well,
it looks like we're about a quarter past now, so
we're going to get ready to shut this down for
the night. But before we do, I just want to
thank you so much for coming on and sharing the
details of all those experiences with this Tiffany. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome and off down the road. If you
start having encounters that you do have trouble with, then yeah,
please let me know. I'll always be there for you
and I'll be ready.
Speaker 2: To help absolutely.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, yeah, thanks again so much, and have
a great night. And as always, everyone, all of you
out there listening, thanks again so much for listening to
the show and supporting it. More important than that, like
I always say, thanks so much for supporting the eyewitnesses
who'll never know much you help their lives. But if
you've had a dogman encounter and would like to speak
with me about it, whether in private or on the show.
Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report.
If you do that, then I'll be more than happy
to contact you and schedule times we could talk about
your encounter. But having said that, thanks again so much
for listening, and have a great night.
Speaker 2: As English