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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Jewish History Uncensored with Mark Shapiro. This is

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<v Speaker 1>season sixteen, episode thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>This is class number thirty nine. I've been with you

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<v Speaker 2>people for a long time. You probably know all my

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<v Speaker 2>mannerisms and my expressions. It's amazing when you begin to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to people, you get that sense. Someone emailed me

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<v Speaker 2>thinks that we should take the first fifteen minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>combine them and make special shows just for that. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that means he only listens to the

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<v Speaker 2>first fifteen minutes, but apparently. But really, the truth is

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<v Speaker 2>that every time you listen to a show, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to the next week because, as you guys know, ready,

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<v Speaker 2>probably seven eighths of what I say, you're ninety percent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just off the top of my head, not reading anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And afterwards I start wondering, was I exact? I I'll

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<v Speaker 2>make a correction. I said something which was sort of correct,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm really the doc dake, so I have to

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<v Speaker 2>make it one hundred percent. But so they everything follows

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<v Speaker 2>following up that fifteen minutes that he liked so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Ruven's from Paris. Some of you were very interested in

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<v Speaker 2>the whole well b Michal Schabas for psychiatric reasons. He

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<v Speaker 2>calls my attention. I mean, I read this, but I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot about it. The masuris Mosha of Mosha Fleinstein instantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Volume four just came out. Volume one is the best

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<v Speaker 2>volume because there's no real no censorship of it if

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<v Speaker 2>you see the other volumes. But on page ninety three

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<v Speaker 2>he has that very question about going to a doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>a psychiatrist on Shabis and how we're Mosha was mater

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<v Speaker 2>if the psychiatrist thought that it was pikouachnefsh but not

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<v Speaker 2>as a general rule, so you can check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>He also, well, last week we spoke about how the

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<v Speaker 2>Ashkenazim they were so opposed to Hascala that the all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden you couldn't do. He called my attention

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<v Speaker 2>to another thing, which I knew, but he reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of it. In Kakira thirteen, there's an a letter all

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<v Speaker 2>article whereby Muskin whichcudes a letter from ra by Bluff

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<v Speaker 2>of tells who attended the Yomatsmode celebration whole thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>in there he speaks about the mistakes we've made that

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<v Speaker 2>we that is, the Uguddhists the Yeshiva world was not

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<v Speaker 2>able to find support among the people. He says, not

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<v Speaker 2>because of our stance against their incorrect views. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>that they opposed us because we oppose their wrong views. No,

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<v Speaker 2>listen to this. It's because of our negative position against

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<v Speaker 2>the correct views, such as learning Bible, speaking Hebrew and ritsistererral.

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<v Speaker 2>The populace cannot understand our concerns right Bo says, the

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<v Speaker 2>reason we have no influence is because we were in

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<v Speaker 2>opposition to things that we were wrong to be in

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<v Speaker 2>opposition too, namely Tanach speaking Hebrew and erisis terraul did

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<v Speaker 2>and he explains how the attitude was. If if they

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<v Speaker 2>religious are doing it, if the Misrakli are doing it

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<v Speaker 2>at Dafka, we have to be opposed to it, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes no sense, as he points out, So thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for that rouving. We're gonna be devoting today. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>in a minute, I have to return to this issue

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<v Speaker 2>of the lice eggs, because I got five emails about this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I began to respond very strongly defending my position

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<v Speaker 2>on the time I got to the fifth email. We

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<v Speaker 2>have Benny, we have Rebbe Mordechai, we have a VI,

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<v Speaker 2>we have rouving from Paris and one more. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>so sure. So we're gonna go through the Soggia and

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll explain to you why it's it's problematic. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we go to that, and that's gonna be the

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<v Speaker 2>last thing we do in introduction, we're gonna be spending

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<v Speaker 2>today's class in the very long letter of by Mazous

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<v Speaker 2>and believe me, I'm gonna make you from nineteenth century Lithuania.

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<v Speaker 2>Well wait, wait, do you see everything we cover? But

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<v Speaker 2>I since we are going to focus on him, I

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<v Speaker 2>just and we spoke last class about all the people

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<v Speaker 2>attacking him, and look, there's lots of attacks, and I

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny the attacks. They call him a moscule and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>All these attacks, incidentally, are they're not really about the issues.

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<v Speaker 2>The attacks are about who's going to lead the Spardic world. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, let me pull up my screen. Here is

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<v Speaker 2>the Sparta and so therefore, if you can delegitimize someone

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<v Speaker 2>for their views, uh, that's that's the best way to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Now, I want to pull up something on

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<v Speaker 2>the screen here, where is it? Okay? So is the

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<v Speaker 2>Sphardic world going to be led by these two Rabbi

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<v Speaker 2>Mazous and Rabbi Amar or is it going to be

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<v Speaker 2>led by the the other people? And if you attack

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby Massous as a mosco, the whole thing it makes

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<v Speaker 2>no sense. It's all stupid. What are you in, Moscule?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show you something in a minute. There was no

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<v Speaker 2>Hoscala in this Fardic world. So to say that if

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<v Speaker 2>you you have these like here, let me shall you something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I have a book here, can you see it?

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<v Speaker 2>Kazono safe And it's the says Hascalo, that's a duke,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's an attack against Rabimazus. What since wend svardhim

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<v Speaker 2>have anything to do with Hoscala? When they study Tanach?

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<v Speaker 2>They study Tanach because that's what you're supposed to do

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<v Speaker 2>and study Hebrew. But these Fardic rabbis, the extremist s,

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<v Speaker 2>Fardic rabbis who've gone to the Ashkenazi kyeshivas, they've brought

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<v Speaker 2>into this whole thing about Hoscala, which is not part

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<v Speaker 2>of their culture at all. It's so it's uh And

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<v Speaker 2>if anyone's interested in this, I can send you. I

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<v Speaker 2>have many other, many other pieces attacks calling him a

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<v Speaker 2>moscule and all this which is completely taking the Ashkenazic

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<v Speaker 2>opposition from the nineteenth century and putting it into the

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<v Speaker 2>s Fardic world. On another matter, in terms of criticism,

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<v Speaker 2>I played you reviewed Psychio Safe's attack last week, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of respect for Ezechio Safe. He

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<v Speaker 2>included letters in my book. He's obviously one of the

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<v Speaker 2>great post scheme but that's what he is. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>post sake, he's not I don't think it's an insult

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<v Speaker 2>to say he's not wide in terms of his range.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also don't think it's an insult to say

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't compare him to Rabbi Mazou's. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's like when the people would attack Rabbi Selivachik. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>the I mean, it doesn't, it's just we're dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>different leagues. If I may say so myself, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>And fundamentally, the question I think is in the Spardak world,

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<v Speaker 2>is it going to be a Haadi's Fardak society or

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<v Speaker 2>is it going to be a Startak society? For that

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, can play the following they play you Rabbi

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<v Speaker 2>Mazu's something that just play for thirty seconds, or is

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<v Speaker 2>it will be a Spartak where you can have the

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<v Speaker 2>rabbi say as follows and pay and listen carefully. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no ebro I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Hili three and the hammam shaloon yatom.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, are you going to have this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>religious Zionism from him, but it's a it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a recognition of the significance of the state, of the

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<v Speaker 2>importance of the soldiers. And that really is the old

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<v Speaker 2>Spardak way, that's the way of Akramavadios, vuzio, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Or are you gonna go the ashkenaze a radio world

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<v Speaker 2>which because of its history he doesn't want to have

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<v Speaker 2>any identification whatsoever with the the structure of Israeli government,

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<v Speaker 2>the army, all these sorts of things in the Spardak world.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying the prayer for the Hilim, what's the problem? Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you say the prayer. So why do I mention all this?

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<v Speaker 2>Because in this week's uh weekly sur last week number

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<v Speaker 2>two forty nine from Mamazus, he says something which they

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<v Speaker 2>can again use to attack him as being a moscuo.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is it? Okay? He talks about Parsha Zohar

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna have to tell you my form thing

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<v Speaker 2>in a minute as well. Parsha Zahar, and he points

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<v Speaker 2>out that none, none of the Spartak authorities in the

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<v Speaker 2>Sparda world, women never went as I mentioned, women never

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<v Speaker 2>went even in the ash world until recently. But he says,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big machocus the Spardak post scheme Rambam, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>They all assume that Parsha Zahara is durabonent. The only

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<v Speaker 2>people who hold it star reisata law are the medieval

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<v Speaker 2>Ashkenazak authorities. And he says as follows. This is in

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<v Speaker 2>Note fourteen. He says that Theshkas, because they lived such

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<v Speaker 2>difficulties under the Gazeero, the Crusades, et cetera, they were

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<v Speaker 2>very mahmir when it came to Parsha Zahar, and they

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<v Speaker 2>applied their current enemies, namely the Christians. They put them

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<v Speaker 2>under the category of amakak zahor. So basically they ve

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<v Speaker 2>the Christians that they were living in became a stand

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<v Speaker 2>in for a mulake. And because they wanted to stress

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<v Speaker 2>because they were having such difficult times how bad this was.

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<v Speaker 2>They therefore they turned it into a del Riisa and

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<v Speaker 2>Asvardak Sargine, who are living under a much more tolerant regime.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have that. So basically he's this is a

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<v Speaker 2>play well, this is from the Jacob katz Ii Moreba

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<v Speaker 2>Cimsoalavacic playbook interpreting haw A Hara based upon medieval Hallha,

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<v Speaker 2>based upon societal circumstances. He's saying that the Ashkenazi who

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<v Speaker 2>stressed that Parsha zuchler is toro law, it's because they

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<v Speaker 2>were viewing the Christians as a mulach and they were

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<v Speaker 2>so so present in their life that it had to

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<v Speaker 2>be del reisa. That that's the swort of thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I could see them saying. There you go again, all

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<v Speaker 2>that huscala, Ellie, Ellie Turkle, thank you. He called my

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<v Speaker 2>attention to uh to this. I didn't know about this

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<v Speaker 2>that Israel Public Radio two years ago played Wagner and

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<v Speaker 2>it had they had to apologize for it. This is

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<v Speaker 2>on the BBC. You can read it the whole story

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<v Speaker 2>here and at the end they quote someone whereas it

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<v Speaker 2>who's this Jonathan Livney. He's head of the Israel Wagner Society,

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<v Speaker 2>which I never could imagine this is an Israel Wagner society,

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<v Speaker 2>but he thinks it's important to listen to Wagner. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for that. I forgot. I've had the things

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<v Speaker 2>on the foe, So I have two more things. Those

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<v Speaker 2>who've listened to my since it's poor im, I'll show you.

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<v Speaker 2>Those who've listened to me for years know that a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of times I said, I love this ashkenazik, this

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<v Speaker 2>litfisha yamaka they wear, and I don't know where to

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<v Speaker 2>get it. Well, so I think two people sent it

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<v Speaker 2>to me. One I forget who, the other Juchsco Moskowitz.

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<v Speaker 2>So here it is everyone you can see it here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Dovid Lifshits wore. This is what Romotional Feinstein wore.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also every year for the last few years,

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<v Speaker 2>this has been my I hope I can still wear it.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been my keep on poor and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>extent of my costume. Here you go, make Schull great again.

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<v Speaker 2>And I picked this up at the few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the sixth three community Synagogue, So uh, make schol

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<v Speaker 2>great again? There you go. Well, Uh, by Shapiro in

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Heights and Broyers. This is how you go to

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<v Speaker 2>the omen and this is what the caption you laying in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not exactly what I have one, oh, same one, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>very nice. I I I listened to the tape over

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<v Speaker 2>and I just want to be clear. If you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the end, it was clear we spoke about the

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<v Speaker 2>word roots. I I didn't mean to say, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a biblical word. We know it's a biblical word.

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. In fact, here one of the famous verses,

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<v Speaker 2>where is it in You're Miyahu? I wrote it down

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<v Speaker 2>at ah yes and near me. I think I have

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<v Speaker 2>it here here MEO seven. We all know this right

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get back to that point because many

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<v Speaker 2>people who know me about and here I have the gamar.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's look at the gamar quickly. The gamar and this

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<v Speaker 2>establishes that unless something reproduces, there's no there's no prohibition

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<v Speaker 2>to kill the creature. And let me just read you

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<v Speaker 2>And they say that lice doesn't reproduce. So then here

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<v Speaker 2>we go. Abaye. You see the mark Abaye says to

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<v Speaker 2>revieo safe and lice do not procreate? Didn't the Master

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<v Speaker 2>it's I believe it's Rov who says it. The Holy One,

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<v Speaker 2>blessed be He sits and sustains everything from the horns

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<v Speaker 2>of wild oxento the eggs of lice. The zancarne mean

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<v Speaker 2>by say so based as it says, here there there's

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<v Speaker 2>ice eggs. God Uh takes care of everything from the

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<v Speaker 2>the the the the the wild oxen, and too the

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<v Speaker 2>eggs of the lice that would show you that how

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<v Speaker 2>could you say that the lice don't reproduce in a

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<v Speaker 2>what is the answer here? And by incidentally, thises, hold

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<v Speaker 2>Reberez says, if you kill lice on schabis, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>if you kill a camon shabis and Ravio Safe objects

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<v Speaker 2>to this, okay. So then it says, if you look

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<v Speaker 2>in the Gamara in English, it says, Ravio Safe answered him,

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<v Speaker 2>naming with real. Safe answered to Baye, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>species of insect that is called lice eggs, But lice

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<v Speaker 2>themselves do not lay eggs. So what it's saying is

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<v Speaker 2>that even when it says that God watches over and

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<v Speaker 2>takes care of the carna meme to bates Ki Nime,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean lice eggs. It means a species kenim

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<v Speaker 2>that's called life eggs. Strange. Yes, before I go further,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to point out this is the Koran. Koran says,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is gonna be important. Uh Abayas says, is

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<v Speaker 2>that true that keenim do not reproduce? Didn't Mar say

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<v Speaker 2>that God takes care of the the rams horns and

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<v Speaker 2>the bets keenim. Then it's the answer is minahu dimitri

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<v Speaker 2>beats baits say kenyim. It's not rivosef here. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>Gamara answering it, the stom whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be important in a minute for

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<v Speaker 2>when the gamar then it goes further and it says

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<v Speaker 2>the tanya to pull you in. Theyt se kmim. It

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<v Speaker 2>says again it was asked, wasn't it taught in the

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<v Speaker 2>brysa that they're life eggs? And then it's he answered

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<v Speaker 2>him again, it's no, this is the gamarra speaking. Now

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<v Speaker 2>why is it okay? And I'll explain to you why

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<v Speaker 2>that's important in a couple of minutes. But now let

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<v Speaker 2>me get to the question. So I said, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>mention this last week. I I I didn't get into

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<v Speaker 2>this idea that life's eggs. The Gamuri here doesn't interpret

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<v Speaker 2>him as being actual eggs. It's a separate species. What

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<v Speaker 2>I said was that in it refers to isix. And

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<v Speaker 2>Eli again told me that ravad Jose's grandson mentions this.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I saw it. He's citing Ravvadya. Maybe I first

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<v Speaker 2>saw that there and the Gamaris Perkes says that when

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<v Speaker 2>Navi males took Sara, all the nakaevos in his house,

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<v Speaker 2>all the females became barren until Bates kemim, so my

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<v Speaker 2>understanding and revvad Jose, for releast has passed on by

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<v Speaker 2>his grandson understood this to mean that, uh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>referring to reproduction. What I was asked by those four

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<v Speaker 2>or five people was why why not assume that perk

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<v Speaker 2>even if it says, how you calling the cavo space

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<v Speaker 2>so a carros when it says, I feel what baits say,

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<v Speaker 2>Kenim it means the creatures, not the eggs. So at

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<v Speaker 2>first I defended my reading, and now I'm saying, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>same way, in which case take back what I said.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is, what kind of answer is this that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a species that's called lice eggs. The gamara says

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<v Speaker 2>lace eggs. And this gets us into in fact, the

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<v Speaker 2>rouving from Paris said, recommended I look at Slifkin. So

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<v Speaker 2>I searched, and Sliffkin amazingly says that, uh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is extremely strange, and he offers a different explanation

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<v Speaker 2>of the gamarrow. So let me explain what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>here and why what I said before is so important

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<v Speaker 2>at least if you're an academic, that it's not. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the later Gamara. Let's say we had this gamarro also

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<v Speaker 2>in the Irishalmi, and I buy a sighted a source

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<v Speaker 2>and said that, well, what about the fact that we

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<v Speaker 2>even of the lice eggs. Let's say that you're shaw

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<v Speaker 2>me then made it machocus. Okay, so it's macocus. One

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<v Speaker 2>holds that there are lice eggs. The other holes it

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<v Speaker 2>the species. We wouldn't anything of it. But all we

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<v Speaker 2>have is the bovy. What Sliffkin is doing is basically

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing what some academic scholars are saying. What he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing is he's giving a different explanation. He's saying, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the Gamara says there's a species of insects that's called

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<v Speaker 2>lice eggs, But that doesn't make sense, and he's giving

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<v Speaker 2>another explanation. This is the way academics scholars off and

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<v Speaker 2>not just academics ares. If you look at the toasis

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<v Speaker 2>yomtovin Nuzzier parakee mishna, the Ramam does itk of Weinberg

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<v Speaker 2>does it, Vilnagone does it. There's this whole approach that

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<v Speaker 2>you can give an explanation of the Gamara different than

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<v Speaker 2>what the gamara does. In other words, if you read

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<v Speaker 2>the Gamara the way I said you should, ABAYI asked

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<v Speaker 2>this question, and then the the editor explains, no, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not really a stra because when mar says eggs of lice,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean eggs of lice. It means a species,

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<v Speaker 2>a separate species of insect. But who says that that's

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute answer. This could be even a savarrock answer.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have examples where we shown him I know today,

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<v Speaker 2>if you do this, I'll throw you the base major school.

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<v Speaker 2>We have examples of the rumbum, We have examples of

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<v Speaker 2>other reshown name where sometimes they don't feel bound by

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<v Speaker 2>the later explanations like this, and that's why Sliffkins says

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<v Speaker 2>he offers a different explanation. He after saying it's strange,

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<v Speaker 2>he says that when it's he says, it doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a species of insect called the eggs

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<v Speaker 2>of lice. Rather, it's referring to knits, actual lice eggs,

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<v Speaker 2>but not from which lice hatch. So the point is

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<v Speaker 2>that I really don't know what to make of this.

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<v Speaker 2>The shot in the gamara is obviously bates a a

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<v Speaker 2>key name referred to a separate species, and that's you

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<v Speaker 2>could read a contrary to what I said last week.

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<v Speaker 2>You could read picketeralizer that way, despite what ravad Yosiv's

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<v Speaker 2>grandson says. But if you want to be a little academic,

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<v Speaker 2>you can ask yourself, is the gomorrah is that really

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<v Speaker 2>what it's saying, or is that they have a tradition

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<v Speaker 2>that you can kill it and now you have a steira.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Ittsief says that sometimes the gomorrow would contort uses

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<v Speaker 2>that word came explanations in order to bring it in

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<v Speaker 2>line with the halaka. Is this an example where they're

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<v Speaker 2>offering an explanation, sort of a doka explanation just to

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<v Speaker 2>bring it into line with the halaka. There's a hallaja.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a tradition that for whatever reason, lice you

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<v Speaker 2>can kill on shabis and then you have your They

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<v Speaker 2>give a steerra because they say there's lice eggs and

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<v Speaker 2>you come up with it. He comes up with an

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<v Speaker 2>explanation in the Gamara. But this is and this is

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to offer an explanation. Last week, I gave

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<v Speaker 2>a different explanation that all this happens in a microscopic way.

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<v Speaker 2>Sliffkin doesn't like that. Sliffkin says that there are no

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<v Speaker 2>reshown him of earlier charonim who come up with this idea.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, but I I thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who wrote. And it could be that the pucatz

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<v Speaker 2>or should be understood the same exact way as everyone

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<v Speaker 2>as the Gamarin shabas. Okay with us, let us pick up.

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<v Speaker 2>If you recall we were speaking about Rabbi Mosha Kunitz.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned Rabbi Mosha Kunitz. If you recall, I told

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<v Speaker 2>you that he wrote, uh disappears in all the missionayas

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<v Speaker 2>till they censored it. Told us rabinu Hakodosh. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>next page, it continues. And then you go to the

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<v Speaker 2>next page, and right at the bottom of the next

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<v Speaker 2>page you get the mama al diktua Mishna that we

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about. He mentions the point about kohelas this passage

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<v Speaker 2>from Marmosha Kunitz. It comes out of a larger work.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see it on Hebrews that or called which

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<v Speaker 2>is a play. The the biography appears at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, you can see it here. Here's the biography

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<v Speaker 2>is at the beginning here told us rebinocados. But following that,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a play and it has all the characters.

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<v Speaker 2>You have Rebbi and Avigayo, and come with you, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, and you have a whole play here. So

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting. And I mentioned to you we'll get to

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned to you that he was he's buried right

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<v Speaker 2>next to shim and Oppenheim. Here. Let me show you

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<v Speaker 2>something I wasn't exactly correct. And with Shiman Oppenheim, how

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<v Speaker 2>I described. I have a picture of her. I took pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>I said that if you go to his grave, it

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<v Speaker 2>What it says is u. It says as follows, everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who comes to uh comes to my grave, you should

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<v Speaker 2>sayona it's it's say our kail malay Racha Mime is

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<v Speaker 2>an abridge version of this. This is found in the

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<v Speaker 2>day from ma Var Yabok, which has to do with mourning.

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<v Speaker 2>He says everyone should say and he says, uh vimia krasfashal.

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<v Speaker 2>And but Sarah, if you're in difficulty, you should pray

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<v Speaker 2>on my grave, and you should give something to Dacca

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<v Speaker 2>in behalf of my soul, and yeshima and uh shavasama

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<v Speaker 2>mank here its own, and God will hear your prayer.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not that I remembered it mistakenly that he

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<v Speaker 2>would intervene. No, no God. So here you have an

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<v Speaker 2>actual guarantee by the great schimen Appenheim, which is just

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<v Speaker 2>too glory him away from Mosha Kunitz, where he says,

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<v Speaker 2>if you pray here and you do this what I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you to do, God will hear. Of course you

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<v Speaker 2>could say gatto here. It doesn't mean no listen, but

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<v Speaker 2>at least you're guaranteed O hear. And because of that

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<v Speaker 2>this is then a stop for on all the cavoriantors,

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<v Speaker 2>because as far as I know, we have no other

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<v Speaker 2>kever where you're giving a guarantee that if you do this,

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<v Speaker 2>God will hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were.

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<v Speaker 2>What we're gonna do now is continue in my letter

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<v Speaker 2>to Roly Mazous. It's a long letter and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go back and forth. Would I say what he says?

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<v Speaker 2>And we're on Simon kok Mamal left page two ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just talking about I don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>repeat it, about remotion Kunitz and how he was asked

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<v Speaker 2>to uh, he was asked the questions in this book.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me show you another book. I got this ready.

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<v Speaker 2>The name of the book is where did I put

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<v Speaker 2>it here? Here is the name of the book is.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see on Google Books. That's where I found it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called no got Sdek, the first no god Stek,

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<v Speaker 2>the first generation of the reformers. They wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of justification for using an organ, changing to

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<v Speaker 2>a Spardic pronunciation, various things. And they have Italian rabbis

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<v Speaker 2>and then they have Mosha Kunitz. They have Ara Haran,

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<v Speaker 2>who at this time was not regarded as a reformer,

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<v Speaker 2>just a liberal Orthodox. He then becomes the big reformer.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get back to him later today. But I point

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<v Speaker 2>out that Ramosha Kunitz didn't know really what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just asked the question. So he answered, he

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<v Speaker 2>answers it. Okay, let's stop here. Oh, and I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, E was that a few years before that,

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<v Speaker 2>the book Beno High that I showed you wi is

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<v Speaker 2>Ramosha Kunitz's Defense against the Zoar, Defense of the Zoa

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<v Speaker 2>against the Ravakovenden's at criticisms was reissued. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>who reissued it, a Sotmar publisher.

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<v Speaker 3>So even in.

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<v Speaker 2>Satmar they read Ramosha Kunitz.

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<v Speaker 1>Sir.

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<v Speaker 2>On Maszou's replies to me, as follows, he says, this

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<v Speaker 2>is on page three hundred. He says, regarding Ramosha Kunitz,

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<v Speaker 2>meisa shahaya kahaya. This is what happened. He goes, until

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<v Speaker 2>a few years ago, I was a subscriber to yetman

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<v Speaker 2>Is the Karadi, the Litwa Shaharadi newspaper in Israel. They

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<v Speaker 2>also have it in America. And uh, he says. Then

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<v Speaker 2>agav aside, he says, very interestingly, there was an article

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<v Speaker 2>there titled he let us Go assimilate and among the

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<v Speaker 2>things it quoted from Bialyx work Ir Haariga, the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Slaughder. We're I have to do with the kitchen

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<v Speaker 2>of pg in nineteen oh three, and it says in

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<v Speaker 2>the Taid article that two lines were removed from that

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<v Speaker 2>when it was published because the Russian censor, who was

446
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<v Speaker 2>an apostate, he refused to allow it to be printed,

447
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<v Speaker 2>that he would not lose his share in the world

448
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<v Speaker 2>to come. And when Biallak went on and Ali, yeah,

449
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<v Speaker 2>he reprinted it, Sir and Mazus says man Jane, he's

450
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<v Speaker 2>a shirodela, which it's interesting to know which can you imagine?

451
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I saw that you would say it, but a

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<v Speaker 2>typical goddle uh Alredi type, Najaradi Aldi type, saying I

453
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<v Speaker 2>like to know what two things there? Well? I pointed

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<v Speaker 2>out in fact in the in the first version of

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<v Speaker 2>my book, I say, I think it's these because I

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<v Speaker 2>read the poem and it only it could only be those.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the reprint which is now in Israel and

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<v Speaker 2>in America, where I just corrected typos, but here I

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<v Speaker 2>actually said not that it appears to me it is,

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<v Speaker 2>And I cited two essays one memoir, actually in one

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<v Speaker 2>essay that speak about this whole incident. Bencion Katz, he

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<v Speaker 2>was involved in this whole thing. So let me show

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<v Speaker 2>you what's going on here with Bolk and what he's

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<v Speaker 2>referring to, because this is a safer that's found now

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<v Speaker 2>in Butte Midrash. I did not want to cite the lines.

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<v Speaker 2>If the lions are so heretical, I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>cite them. I just said, it's the two lines that

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<v Speaker 2>begin so holy, I live here they are. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>read it to you in Hebrew and English. So holy

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<v Speaker 2>or Biolic would have pronounced it so holy auve olam

471
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<v Speaker 2>any Commoslim honny hu jechem the kvamer. But Mostlim we

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<v Speaker 2>know he pronounced that way because he rhymes often with

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<v Speaker 2>the Ashkenaza pronunciation. Here's the translation, and he's speaking here

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<v Speaker 2>to the people who suffered a terrible bogram forgive ye

475
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<v Speaker 2>shamed of the earth. Yours is a pauper Lord poor

476
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<v Speaker 2>was he during your life and poor is still of late.

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<v Speaker 2>So here you're you're saying about God, that God is

478
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<v Speaker 2>a pauper, that God is not I mean, that's a

479
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<v Speaker 2>heretical thing. Obviously, although you have like reve it'zuck and

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<v Speaker 2>Briditch of he would like scream out to God and

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<v Speaker 2>almost criticize God. But here you have a poem saying

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<v Speaker 2>that God is so weak he couldn't protect you. Who

483
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<v Speaker 2>is your God? So we understand why that was left out.

484
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<v Speaker 2>But then Rebet Mazous continues. He says, in this tamn,

485
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<v Speaker 2>he says, uh. Remember, he says, I used to be

486
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<v Speaker 2>a subscriber. He says, the editors attacked this essay. Ben

487
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<v Speaker 2>youo Bate Robbie of Ramosha Kunitz and they and one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things they point out Ourmosha Kunitz discusses it

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<v Speaker 2>speaks there that Rebby and Antoninus there was a tunnel

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<v Speaker 2>that they would go between and between Cephisi Poti and

491
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<v Speaker 2>Romy and Sir Amosha Kunit says, well, it must be

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<v Speaker 2>a magic tunnel. And he's not the first one that

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<v Speaker 2>they transferred. I even found online. Someone says that who knows,

494
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<v Speaker 2>maybe he was a miracle.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It shows you he's even though he's open minded, he's

497
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<v Speaker 2>really living in a pre modern sensibility. We actually know

498
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<v Speaker 2>this Romi is. It's referring to there's an Arab village

499
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<v Speaker 2>at to this day called ruma or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's must be what it's referring to. But what did

501
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<v Speaker 2>they say in the you taking them on? They said

502
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<v Speaker 2>that Ramosha Kunitz he interpreted as a magic tunnel. So

503
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<v Speaker 2>everyone's seeing this would see how idiotic the Gamar is

504
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<v Speaker 2>that they believe that you could have a magic tunnel.

505
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<v Speaker 2>And they think that Mosha Kunitz is doing it to

506
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<v Speaker 2>make fun of the Talmud. It's completely false. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>why he's doing He's doing it because he has a

508
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<v Speaker 2>simple view of that. Obviously there must be a miracle here.

509
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<v Speaker 2>And then it says, and you're taking them on. They

510
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<v Speaker 2>also mocked the picture of a certain rabbi who obviously

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know who he was. Who's the rabbi? Let me

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<v Speaker 2>show you the rabbi. Sometimes people are just so stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know how, you know. It's it's bad to

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<v Speaker 2>be It's one thing to be ignorant or to not know,

515
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<v Speaker 2>but it's another thing to not know. How much you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. We all know it. You see, you don't

517
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<v Speaker 2>know something that's bad, But to not know that you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know it, that's even worse. And that we can

519
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<v Speaker 2>say about this the Atata man saw up this guy

520
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<v Speaker 2>starts writing about this person dvid Sin sign that he

521
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<v Speaker 2>was on the French Son Hedron, and and they mocked him,

522
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<v Speaker 2>like who is this phony rabbi appearing on the Son

523
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<v Speaker 2>Hedern when you know, I guess son edroning quotes uh

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<v Speaker 2>with Napoleon all that. They didn't realize that this is

525
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<v Speaker 2>one of the godoliast thrower of David Sen sign that

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<v Speaker 2>he's the yacht David. The hawsom Sofa has oh eulogy

527
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<v Speaker 2>for him. He has like ten volumes of yaddvid and

528
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<v Speaker 2>also commentary on Talmon and also Mirasonia. Tell me the encyclopedia.

529
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<v Speaker 2>My best entry in Mirasoni is Ratoul. He has all

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<v Speaker 2>entry on on cats and rabbinic writings, Cats and rabbinic writings.

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<v Speaker 2>So then they were told who it is and then

532
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<v Speaker 2>they had to apologize. But you see, they're looking to

533
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<v Speaker 2>attack people. They don't realize they're attacking one of the Godolin.

534
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<v Speaker 2>He was in a difficult situation because the French Son Hedron,

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<v Speaker 2>which had secular risks and also Orthodox rabbis, where they

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<v Speaker 2>were asked all sorts of questions. I think I made

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<v Speaker 2>a copy of it here one of the questions they

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<v Speaker 2>were asked. Oh yeah, so they were asked by Napoleon.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the question I had to answer. Remember the circumstances.

540
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<v Speaker 2>Can a Jewish marry a Christian? You can't say that Jews.

541
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<v Speaker 2>The questions are you going to be French people or not?

542
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<v Speaker 2>Or are you going to be separate? Which means that

543
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<v Speaker 2>you have to be in the ghetto. So the difficult question.

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<v Speaker 2>So they sort of hedge it. Then they say that

545
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<v Speaker 2>although religiously it can't be done. It says here it says,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Talmud, you need to have a religious

547
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<v Speaker 2>ceremony qedution. So since Jews and Christians are of a

548
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<v Speaker 2>different religion, you can't have kidutions. So they can't be

549
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<v Speaker 2>a religious ceremony. They can only be civilly married. You

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<v Speaker 2>see what they're trying to do. They're trying to not

551
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<v Speaker 2>stress too much that intermarriage is really a terrible thing.

552
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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to make it to a technical thing. By

553
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<v Speaker 2>the way, Joe Auberman did the exact same thing. Go back,

554
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<v Speaker 2>he'll be on YouTube. I'm sure listen to him. On

555
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<v Speaker 2>Imus when he was asked about intermarriage and Joe Lieberman

556
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<v Speaker 2>punted it. He didn't answer honestly, he said, well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not it's a custom of longstanding. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>won't acknowledge that it's actually forbidden. And my friend I

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<v Speaker 2>remember said to me, he just should have said. It's

560
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<v Speaker 2>because after the Holocaust, you know, no one's gonna touch you.

561
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<v Speaker 2>You can't or you. But it's becomes a hard thing

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<v Speaker 2>in today's day and age, and it was a hard

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<v Speaker 2>thing two hundred years ago. But this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>good Delicero. There were other good deli throw who were

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<v Speaker 2>at the sun Hedron. This was the leaders of the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish community. He was the head of the sun Hedron

567
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<v Speaker 2>of Josef syn Seims. So they attack him, they mocked him,

568
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<v Speaker 2>knowing nothing about him. It's this reminds me. After my

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<v Speaker 2>book on the Rehreak of Weinberg came out, someone in

570
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<v Speaker 2>the algamyn Or Journal, who knew nothing about the Rehrek

571
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<v Speaker 2>of Weinberg wrote an attack on him like this, treating

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<v Speaker 2>Rebehreaka of Weinberg as if he's some left wing rabbi

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<v Speaker 2>and that he knew a little. He wrote some responds

574
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<v Speaker 2>and really degrading him. And I said to people, this

575
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<v Speaker 2>guy doesn't know who reverbriac of Weinberg is. He doesn't

576
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<v Speaker 2>know that he'd be put by moos Sternbach and Rai Shiner.

577
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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't know that in Nyeshiva world, you're supposed you're

578
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<v Speaker 2>supposed to respect the bhata Weinber. He's not the ruvslivchik.

579
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<v Speaker 2>This guy didn't He doesn't even know that, on the contrary,

580
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<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to grab or break of Weinberg and hold

581
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<v Speaker 2>on to him and push away people like me. So

582
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.519
<v Speaker 2>the same thing with Rabbi Sinzheim. And then Rebey Mozu says,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he says, listen to this, and they continue

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<v Speaker 2>to attack Rebbe avad your safe and Robuccshi do ron

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<v Speaker 2>or aden steinsos U add more Milo Bovich And of

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<v Speaker 2>course I mean that was the big attack against the

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<v Speaker 2>Labovich Rebbe. And he says, concerning these people, the sage

588
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<v Speaker 2>to say, who is your anger? Not your your evilness

589
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<v Speaker 2>not been upon And he says, has and I stopped this? Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know dornia this piercing. I guess this. Uh,

591
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<v Speaker 2>this bad newspaper and it is a bad newspaper, the

592
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<v Speaker 2>American newspaper's terrible newspaper. Either I remember years ago they

593
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<v Speaker 2>came out with treating or dove Schwartz like he was

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<v Speaker 2>some left wing open Orthodox rabbi, not one of the

595
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<v Speaker 2>great post scheme because he has a different view on conversion.

596
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<v Speaker 2>It's par for the course. And then he says, and

597
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<v Speaker 2>this is amazing from the Haskma of Ramosha Kunitz in

598
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<v Speaker 2>the book No God Said, has really the letter? He says,

599
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<v Speaker 2>I understand why the Hari diem Hashkenazim, Hay, why the

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<v Speaker 2>Ashkenazim today are not prepared to accept habitoi tien verghette.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not. You can teach them, but they refuse to

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<v Speaker 2>pronounce the eye in hte properly. And he says, and

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<v Speaker 2>he says the core emomissioner that tom a chorus apiciras.

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<v Speaker 2>And they call people who actually will pronounce the red

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<v Speaker 2>and ion properly and api chorus. And then he writes

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<v Speaker 2>in parentheses kasher kuta and dot dot dot what's the

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<v Speaker 2>dot dot dot? In his original letter to me, he

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<v Speaker 2>cites this person a well known Hasidic figure or semi

609
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<v Speaker 2>well known Hasidic figure in London who's also into TikTok.

610
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<v Speaker 2>But I thought that maybe he'd get in trouble because

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<v Speaker 2>he's saying he's making fun of all the people who

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<v Speaker 2>lives with that. If you pronounce it properly, they call

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<v Speaker 2>you not be chorus. So I actually got in touch

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<v Speaker 2>with him, found his email and I asked him. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>Rema Mazuza, mentions you by name that you said that

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<v Speaker 2>any among the Ashganazia Karadim, if you actually pronounce the

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<v Speaker 2>letters properly, they call you not be cis because you're

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<v Speaker 2>a Muscile. Should I mention you? He says, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>don't mention me. Take me out, he says, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to live with these people. So that explains

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<v Speaker 2>the three dots there. And uh, and he says, but

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why they don't like Ramosha Kunitz because this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the things the reformers wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, Ramosha Kunitz agreed. And if you look, I'll

625
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<v Speaker 2>show you right now what he's referring to is his fellows.

626
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<v Speaker 2>You think he's the only good who knows no God

627
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:05.079
<v Speaker 2>saidek who reads this stuff anymore? It's so, here's so,

628
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<v Speaker 2>here's the letter of Mosha Kunitz. And he says he

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the questions. He was asked with that

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<v Speaker 2>the New Reform Synagogue they started dobbning with a Sphardak pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says as follows. First of all, he says

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<v Speaker 2>that alta filos go to heaven. Then he says, he

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<v Speaker 2>says that of the Jews, a seven kla chim used

634
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<v Speaker 2>the Spardak pronunciation, and the the efreelek is the Ashkenazic pronunciation.

635
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where there's there's something about that in

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<v Speaker 2>the ire, but he certainly it's not numerical. And then

637
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<v Speaker 2>he says, there's no doubt of how how how many

638
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<v Speaker 2>there are. The truth is that in nineteenth century they're

639
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<v Speaker 2>more Ashconosic Jews than Sparta Jews. But whatever, he says,

640
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>he didn't know that. He says they they dwell in

641
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Tunis Tripoli. Anyone know what this word is? Pay iron

642
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 2>tech Sadi. It took me a while to figure out

643
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<v Speaker 2>what he was talking about. Then he says, afterward, Morocco

644
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and in all of Africa and Asia by money? What

645
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<v Speaker 2>is pets? What it's in Africa? What could it be?

646
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<v Speaker 2>And then I realized, you know what it is. It's fez.

647
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<v Speaker 2>This is one of your safe Missus's books mayam ray

648
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<v Speaker 2>and we'll see if anyone got I can't see the

649
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<v Speaker 2>chat at the moment, uh fez, So why does he

650
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<v Speaker 2>call it? Because he saw it written f e z

651
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and in German z is written like site like z

652
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<v Speaker 2>like if you want to say, for instance, the newspapers

653
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<v Speaker 2>on the zetenge, it's setong. So he's pronouncing f e

654
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<v Speaker 2>z as like the ashken sih and therefore he thinks

655
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<v Speaker 2>that fez. He didn't he never saw a book I

656
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<v Speaker 2>guess with spelled in Hebrew. It's not it's spelled with

657
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<v Speaker 2>a samer. So he's says that you can, and then

658
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<v Speaker 2>he goes on. He says that if you see over

659
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<v Speaker 2>here that the great rabbi in Frankfurt Ravnusson Adwer, he

660
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<v Speaker 2>actually prayed with the Spardak pronunciation. And that's true, Ramusson Adler.

661
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<v Speaker 2>There was a rabbi Jaya Moodai. He's he wrote a

662
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<v Speaker 2>volume of Soos and schuvos. He was a Machebach and

663
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<v Speaker 2>he lived in russ and his house and nuss and

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<v Speaker 2>I want learned how to pronounce in the Sardak way.

665
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<v Speaker 2>So ram Mosha Kunit says, there's nothing wrong with pronouncing sfardik.

666
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<v Speaker 2>This is the issue that came when the State of Israel,

667
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<v Speaker 2>or in early years before in the State of Israeli

668
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<v Speaker 2>and or Cooked dealt with it. All the cook all

669
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<v Speaker 2>the Ashkenazak crabbis say you can't change it, you have

670
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<v Speaker 2>to dive and watch Kenazak. And the Sarda crabbis all say,

671
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<v Speaker 2>of course you can, because the Sarda pronunciation is better.

672
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<v Speaker 2>Then we get these day schools, and because of the

673
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<v Speaker 2>State of Israel, and because of the Hebrew being spoken there,

674
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<v Speaker 2>we're all taught as children spardak. So our kids grow

675
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<v Speaker 2>up speaking mostly Spardak, we said, not completely, but mostly Spardak,

676
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<v Speaker 2>not with the pronunciation ain rhett but tough, no suff

677
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<v Speaker 2>things like that, And that's now become pretty uh standard

678
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<v Speaker 2>varro lets. He mentions in one of his essays that

679
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<v Speaker 2>when he moved to Israel, he began to dove in

680
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<v Speaker 2>that way because he figured going back to Israel, but

681
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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't, having grown up Dolvin in one way, you can't.

682
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<v Speaker 2>If you listen to Ashkenazi, you should rushi ashievo and

683
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<v Speaker 2>they give a sher in Hebrew. It's all eve reads.

684
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<v Speaker 2>But then when they start quoting Zooking. Then it's all ashkenazik.

685
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<v Speaker 2>So it's a real uh shot and it's a real mixture.

686
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<v Speaker 2>So that's the first thing in the letter. Now let's

687
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<v Speaker 2>go back in his answer. Now, let's go back to

688
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<v Speaker 2>my letter, because I continue with my questions that I'll

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<v Speaker 2>skip one thing. Well, actually, let me just say quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>He mentions in his book he has a book on Godoli,

691
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<v Speaker 2>and he has a lot on the Godoli, Montunis and Gerba.

692
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<v Speaker 2>And he says he discusses this Rabbi Kulflin moshak Cohing,

693
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<v Speaker 2>which I don't think any of you have heard of him,

694
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<v Speaker 2>because if you're an a Shanaza should say, because he's

695
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<v Speaker 2>not an arcanon. But he was a great, great Torist scholar.

696
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<v Speaker 2>And and I sent him something that appeared in a

697
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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifteen and Israeli Tower Journal Hay which mentions

698
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<v Speaker 2>things about him, including that he would read Mapu and

699
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:13.840
<v Speaker 2>also Shulman Colman Shulman. So and then I say, as

700
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<v Speaker 2>follows in opposition to Mapu, Mapu is considered like the

701
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.480
<v Speaker 2>first of these East European mosquille in. So he was

702
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 2>public enemy number one in the Yeshiva world. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a book called Avasion, and in one of the memoirs

704
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<v Speaker 2>memoir literature, he tells a story that because there was

705
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 2>another book called Avascil, the notab be Huda's son has

706
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>a book of Drussals called Avasion and the Masquilla, not

707
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.079
<v Speaker 2>the masquilla they didn't call a ma in Vlosion. But

708
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<v Speaker 2>the guy whose jaba was to make sure everyone was

709
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 2>on the straight and narrow. He sees the guy learning Avasion.

710
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.480
<v Speaker 2>He thought it was the Mapu's book. He was such

711
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 2>so ignorant, this guy, he couldn't tell the difference. He

712
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.360
<v Speaker 2>took it away and confiscated. I don't know if he

713
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:58.480
<v Speaker 2>destroyed it. I can't remember. But Savascillon is classic. And

714
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<v Speaker 2>when I decided I wanted to read a host of work,

715
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<v Speaker 2>I actually got a copy of Mapu. You can still

716
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<v Speaker 2>get it in Israel, although this is published I think

717
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<v Speaker 2>in the thirties. But I say that in opposition to Mapu,

718
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Schulmann was a hurrishamaim and Scholmar teramitsus. So who is Schulmann,

719
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Colmen Schulmann. Here is Colmen Schulman. Let me show you

720
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>a picture of him. There he is, and you can

721
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 2>read all about him in Wikipedia. Hebrew English looks like

722
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.760
<v Speaker 2>a schomer Shabas. And of course he is Colmin Shulman.

723
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<v Speaker 2>He's a he wrote all sorts of books on Jewish

724
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<v Speaker 2>history and other things. Remember he's Vilna Lithuanian MUSKILLI. Many

725
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<v Speaker 2>of them are what would they if you look who

726
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 2>used to be? For example, u Adar crowd. Do you

727
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Bernard Revel graduate school. We're talking lit fish, Muskellium. These

728
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 2>are telling me, but these are modern types. And I

729
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<v Speaker 2>say that he was he lived in Vilna. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>known that in Vilna there were many Muskili muskelm in

731
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<v Speaker 2>quote who were telling me to come him. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>close to Godoli stro And I don't need to mention

733
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a homar that they were strict on all matters

734
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 2>of halaha. And I said, one of these Musculi was Matisistras,

735
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<v Speaker 2>Matistras whose father was the Rashash. And he was it's

736
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<v Speaker 2>it's he left all this money. Was wealthy. They built

737
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<v Speaker 2>a great library, the Stration Library. I think I mentioned

738
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<v Speaker 2>to you about Dan Ribinwitz's book. Let me pull it

739
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>up for you here. Let me get to if if

740
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<v Speaker 2>anyone wants to see a good book I reckon on

741
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.719
<v Speaker 2>this the I showed it to you once. So here

742
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the lost there it is the lost library, the legacy

743
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 2>of the Nostrasian Library in the aftermath of the Holocaust,

744
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:59.599
<v Speaker 2>A whole book about the the stration library. So uh,

745
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.519
<v Speaker 2>I recommend uh. He was a u a great tourist scholar.

746
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<v Speaker 2>Also his commentary is in the back of the Villaina

747
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Shas and uh Babasca. I can't remember where else. And

748
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<v Speaker 2>then I say that there's no connection and no similarity

749
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>between these Muskillium, that is the Villaina Moskuilline and the

750
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.519
<v Speaker 2>other Mousklium. Wou'd say, God, let's see, uh. You know

751
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<v Speaker 2>in Germany the only difference is the only similarity is

752
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.599
<v Speaker 2>the name Muscule, which in Lithuania, all it means is

753
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that you knew dicto partial nuts Shira Jewish history, just

754
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.039
<v Speaker 2>like Goudoway Sharad, the great Spanish ages in the days

755
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.039
<v Speaker 2>of Hutah lady and the Rambam and regard and I

756
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.880
<v Speaker 2>say regarding Musquelium again in quotes like from Matisstrashun and

757
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.239
<v Speaker 2>many like him who are not known today, you can

758
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:58.320
<v Speaker 2>say about them, the Moskillium, Yes, Hebrew Kizoa Hirakia. This

759
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:04.519
<v Speaker 2>is a passuk, and this pusuksculling, this hero Acazoa Hurrakilla.

760
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Let me get us again. Here we go. It appears

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<v Speaker 2>in the Book of Daniel, chapter twelve, verse three. There

762
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<v Speaker 2>you go the mosquille Ma's hero Cazoa Hurrakia. And they

763
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<v Speaker 2>then are wise shall shine as the brightness of the

764
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<v Speaker 2>firm mint. So we see that the word muskuille is

765
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<v Speaker 2>used in Tanach in a positive way. And I say

766
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<v Speaker 2>that those muskuille it's a very positive thing. And then

767
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<v Speaker 2>I say, and if these people are musculing in quotes,

768
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<v Speaker 2>then the rumbam and all the great torus stages of Spain,

769
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<v Speaker 2>and raff Shampshon not raf shimshon, raf shamp shown ralph

770
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<v Speaker 2>al Hirsch and rivers, reel Holdes, Sigmer and cook and

771
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 2>like a Weinberg and Robby Salivachik, and even the Rashash

772
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the father are also musculine. And even you, Rabi Masus,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a muscuelle, because in addition to your greatness and

774
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 2>shaws and post scheme, your bucky, you're knowledgeable in diktuk,

775
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.559
<v Speaker 2>in the songs of Spain, in piute and philosophy and

776
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:03.000
<v Speaker 2>partial note. And I say, therefore, there's no reason to

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<v Speaker 2>use the term moscile without explaining who it refers to.

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<v Speaker 2>What type of mosquel are we talking about? There are

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<v Speaker 2>people called mysovechka moskiel. And then I say, and regarding Biolok,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to point out that they were Godolin

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<v Speaker 2>who related to him very positive. I already mentioned this,

782
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:26.119
<v Speaker 2>and I say that Biolock was not a showmore tormentos. However,

783
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:31.960
<v Speaker 2>he was what we call mahabed Torah. He was a

784
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.559
<v Speaker 2>respector of Torah. When he came to Israel, he was

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00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 2>more became more traditional. He was not like ahd Am

786
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>or Betaschevsky and Schernikovsky. No, And then I point out,

787
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.199
<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned already, but I sent to him that

788
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Regresco Abramsky was a baki in Biollick's poetry. And it's

789
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<v Speaker 2>it's very different. So that's point four of Actually it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny here it's his zo point three of my letter.

791
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<v Speaker 2>But there's no point four is missing. I don't know

792
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<v Speaker 2>what happened to that, so okay, So let me tell

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<v Speaker 2>you his response to this. Now, he says, the works

794
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<v Speaker 2>of commen Shulman told us hachm Astro. He wrote a

795
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<v Speaker 2>whole thing about Kachne aestrol. He says, we had in

796
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 2>our home, that is in Tunis, and that's where I learned,

797
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, the dates of the different rabbis and parshoes

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<v Speaker 2>of Shiris Farad. And in one of the early volumes

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<v Speaker 2>he says that in his youth he learned in the

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<v Speaker 2>colais in Villna he did, he learned in the Klois.

801
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<v Speaker 2>The villain went back to the Villainagone, the little base madrish.

802
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<v Speaker 2>And to his credit, Ramai Mazou says, when he came

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<v Speaker 2>to write about Ramosha de Leone, he didn't attack him

804
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:46.760
<v Speaker 2>as as Gretz and the rest did. They all attacked him.

805
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Why because they said that he invented the zoar and

806
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.760
<v Speaker 2>all that. And he says that Shulman was much more

807
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:57.280
<v Speaker 2>sensitive to Orthodox sensibilities, and he even respected Kabalan the Rumba.

808
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>And then he says, and we see in the h

809
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.800
<v Speaker 2>you sent me. Let me show you the picture. I

810
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't even notice, but he calls attention to this the

811
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.079
<v Speaker 2>thing he's gonna He says, you see in this picture

812
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 2>that first of all, he has a beard, and pay

813
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 2>us okay, let's shame. Villino was a common and then

814
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 2>he says, and the right side of his jacket is

815
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>over the left side, like the hasidium. So let me

816
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.400
<v Speaker 2>explain to you what it's talking about here. First of all,

817
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Colmin Shulman, instantly he comes from a rabbad background. His

818
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 2>father was a talmudive of Iron of Starishella, who is

819
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:40.960
<v Speaker 2>a rabbad, not Lebovich, but rabbad in Hasidos. They have

820
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:42.960
<v Speaker 2>this concept b like for the not for the women.

821
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:46.440
<v Speaker 2>The women. I think your things are already different. Someone

822
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:52.000
<v Speaker 2>sent me something because women their shirts would go right

823
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.880
<v Speaker 2>over left because they'd have servants, the wealthy ones. And

824
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a lot easier for right handed. But just think

825
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.440
<v Speaker 2>of our jackets, all of us. We take our like

826
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:03.760
<v Speaker 2>our coat. The buttons are on the right side. I'll

827
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 2>show you the buttons are over here, and then we

828
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 2>would put the left side in and then we put

829
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.280
<v Speaker 2>it in and that's our shirts. Also. However, that's a

830
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.960
<v Speaker 2>problem because the left is over the right, and that's

831
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.159
<v Speaker 2>not supposed to be. On the contrary, right is supposed

832
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 2>to be over left. What do we say here, it's

833
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Russad over Gavoura right, Russ said, is the right and

834
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Gavura is the left, or it's the other way around.

835
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.199
<v Speaker 2>I here, remember, but in the general right is always

836
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:37.920
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be I think Russ is right, and it's

837
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.559
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be on over gavour Rah, and right is

838
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 2>always supposed to be over left. So sid him. Let

839
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 2>me show you a picture, for instance, let me show

840
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.480
<v Speaker 2>a picture little cher rebbe. For instance, where's my picture

841
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:50.360
<v Speaker 2>a little Bocher rebbe?

842
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I got.

843
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 2>And get rid of that. I have a picture here

844
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>of the rebbe. Do I have a picture of the rebby?

845
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:04.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

846
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Here he is. So look at the rebby. Let me

847
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:08.800
<v Speaker 2>enlarge it here for you. Can I enlarge it? Yeah?

848
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:12.039
<v Speaker 2>You see his jacket, and think about your jackets. Your

849
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.480
<v Speaker 2>jacket would be the other way. Your jacket the left side,

850
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the buttons would be on the right side. And here

851
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:21.920
<v Speaker 2>you see the buttons are on the left side, and

852
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 2>the jacket that goes over that's buttoned in, is on

853
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.519
<v Speaker 2>the right side. So all the jackets we have it's

854
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 2>the other way. I'm trying to think here now, Yeah, yeah,

855
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.199
<v Speaker 2>the buttons are on the right side, and you bring

856
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:40.519
<v Speaker 2>the left. This is such a big deal. And it's

857
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:44.320
<v Speaker 2>taken so seriously. I asked one of my silitic friends,

858
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 2>so what do they do? It seems complicated about jackets.

859
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I get it, but what about shirts? He said, there's

860
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 2>a whole market even for shirts. So here, for example,

861
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.119
<v Speaker 2>you buy you can't go into a regular store Nordstrom

862
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.519
<v Speaker 2>to get your shirts, so you can go and Burrow.

863
00:50:58.559 --> 00:50:59.880
<v Speaker 2>This is a place in Borough Park, so you can

864
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 2>get a regular white shirt. But here you have Hasidish.

865
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.920
<v Speaker 2>So what does Casseidish mean? Will you click on it?

866
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Let's see what it tells us. It says right here

867
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.960
<v Speaker 2>button Grasidish right to left. So if you're if you're

868
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.159
<v Speaker 2>in the hasidic world, you need your white shirt. You

869
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>have to go specially and buy a shirt at special places.

870
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:21.400
<v Speaker 2>There's a whole industry that's built up. Some people are

871
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.480
<v Speaker 2>more mock pd on just the jackets. Everyone is mock

872
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 2>pit on the capoto. Others are mock pit on jackets

873
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 2>but not on shirts, and others are mock bid completely

874
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:33.079
<v Speaker 2>on shirts. And my friend who sent me this crassidic

875
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.960
<v Speaker 2>guy in New York comes from England, told me that

876
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:37.840
<v Speaker 2>when they were they didn't have stories like this. When

877
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 2>he was in England. So what they would do is

878
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 2>they would buy women's shirts without ruffles or anything, and

879
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>they would wear that because the women's shirts go the

880
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.000
<v Speaker 2>other way. At least, he tells me, I never thought

881
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 2>of that before, but any of the women here can

882
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:49.840
<v Speaker 2>tell me if I'm wrong here. But apparently women's shirts

883
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.159
<v Speaker 2>do go the other way. And he says, it's funny

884
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 2>because you could say that this is a bagadisha in

885
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.440
<v Speaker 2>order to get for this superstition, or I shouldn't say superstition.

886
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:02.599
<v Speaker 2>It's my misnogdish approach for this Hasidic homera or whatever

887
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:05.880
<v Speaker 2>you want to call it. But so Roby Mazus points out,

888
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 2>if you look at Commin Shulman, he's wearing his jacket

889
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 2>in good Hasidic form right on top of left. And

890
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.639
<v Speaker 2>he says that his books were common in Gerba. And

891
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 2>he says, my father told me that one of the

892
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.480
<v Speaker 2>big rabbis in Gerba when he got mister a Paris,

893
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.559
<v Speaker 2>he was so entranced by it. He learned it all night.

894
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.280
<v Speaker 2>What is mister a Paris Schulman? He was like, what

895
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.519
<v Speaker 2>these people had their mind? One half one half of

896
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:36.039
<v Speaker 2>them was in Paris or London, and the other half

897
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:39.159
<v Speaker 2>was in Villain that he wrote a translation. He thought

898
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.639
<v Speaker 2>it was worthwhile to spend his time, maybe between night

899
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 2>and day. This is one of the most popular works

900
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.519
<v Speaker 2>that appeared in French in the nineteenth century, Mysteries of Paris.

901
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Very as it says, here founded the city. It spawned,

902
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:57.280
<v Speaker 2>I should say, the city's mystery genre. He wrote tom

903
00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.639
<v Speaker 2>and Schulman wrote in Hebrew nothing like this that ever

904
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:03.679
<v Speaker 2>before appeared in Hebrew, a Hebrew translation of the Mysteries

905
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:08.039
<v Speaker 2>of Paris. And it's funny because in places like Jerba,

906
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.760
<v Speaker 2>anything in Hebrew is thought to be special. So they

907
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 2>get that work, which today we'd say, this is just

908
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 2>how scolar work, and what do you want to waste

909
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.880
<v Speaker 2>your time on that? But they read it, and then

910
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.880
<v Speaker 2>he says, but one thing did not find favor in

911
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:24.639
<v Speaker 2>my eyes, the common. Shulman writes that the Rashbah the

912
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:31.239
<v Speaker 2>rosa on the study of philosophy and science for anyone

913
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 2>under twenty five years old, But he left out medicine.

914
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Medicine was always excluded the Herem in stantways for fifty years.

915
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.840
<v Speaker 2>And he says that Shulman says, the reason he didn't

916
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:46.880
<v Speaker 2>put a harem on ruful is because this is a

917
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:50.679
<v Speaker 2>people make money on being a doctor, and you can't

918
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 2>tell them that they can't study medicine. Kessef h everything

919
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.800
<v Speaker 2>money supies everything, and Ramazous says, this is schecker and

920
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:03.079
<v Speaker 2>and you can also make money on other things kreshbon

921
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and Vanda sah et cetera. But no, the real reason is,

922
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 2>he says, why medicine because they were worried in those

923
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.400
<v Speaker 2>days not to go to a non Jewish doctor. There

924
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.639
<v Speaker 2>was a fear that they would kill you. Even speaks

925
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.360
<v Speaker 2>about this, and therefore that's why medicine was important. Now

926
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 2>as for the mosquille him, he says, as follows. For us,

927
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.079
<v Speaker 2>the must the word mosculle is not ghanai. It's not

928
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:31.800
<v Speaker 2>a negative thing. And he quotes Samsukim and then he says,

929
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:34.360
<v Speaker 2>and what you sent me the letters of ROBERTA. Jesco,

930
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Abromski and bi Alick. He says, the same thing we

931
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.519
<v Speaker 2>saw a couple of weeks ago. It bothers me. If

932
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:42.239
<v Speaker 2>a vad Josef had lived in that generation, he wouldn't

933
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:44.440
<v Speaker 2>have thrown him out of the yeshiva. He would have

934
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:48.400
<v Speaker 2>brought him back. And he says, just like Ravadi Josev

935
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Speaker 2>did with the reporter from Marive. Apparently he's famous Adam Baruch.

936
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.760
<v Speaker 2>So he went to a tarboutra. He became irreligious and

937
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:57.760
<v Speaker 2>in the end of his life he returned. He was

938
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.599
<v Speaker 2>about Juva because of the influence of a You're safe.

939
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.039
<v Speaker 2>And then he says, I saw an article that says

940
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 2>that bialk knew all the toastos and truck take a

941
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.440
<v Speaker 2>two boat balpe. And he says, it's too bad that

942
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:17.679
<v Speaker 2>this person ended up as a heretic. What can we do? Uh,

943
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:21.519
<v Speaker 2>yesh yesha. And he had a very strong urge to smoke.

944
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.400
<v Speaker 2>We know he used to smoke on shabas and a

945
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.840
<v Speaker 2>says Milvadimahiriem. In addition to other inclinations, I guess he's

946
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:34.280
<v Speaker 2>employing sexual inclinations. So and he has two more points.

947
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.639
<v Speaker 2>This I'm gonna have to wait, even though it's just

948
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:41.239
<v Speaker 2>like five lines, because I think it we can get

949
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.719
<v Speaker 2>into the issue of Gilgal and Juda, Aria Modna and

950
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 2>some other things. So we're gonna finish up this. I'll

951
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.559
<v Speaker 2>just take us ten minutes or so, and then we

952
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.880
<v Speaker 2>have one more long long letter uh to Rebbi Mazou's

953
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:59.079
<v Speaker 2>which deals with everything uh from rush bomb and how

954
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:04.840
<v Speaker 2>to pronounce the sad and politics and Yeshiva University, Yeshiva University.

955
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:09.639
<v Speaker 2>What is that opening refrigerators on shabis? How to determine

956
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:14.280
<v Speaker 2>what a kosher bird is? Uh, Yashia micandia. That's the

957
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:18.920
<v Speaker 2>ravoce Rosen, the rubashov and juda Avi and et cetera,

958
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. All sorts of good stuff. And then we

959
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:25.719
<v Speaker 2>have more stuff. We have another We'll have probably of

960
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:28.639
<v Speaker 2>two more classes on Mazoo's all sorts of interesting stuff

961
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:33.000
<v Speaker 2>before we return to other figures, including the Obabachrebbi. The

962
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:37.679
<v Speaker 2>Obabachrebi is a lengthy letter in English, which we will

963
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:41.000
<v Speaker 2>get to. So you know, well, we we did like

964
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:43.360
<v Speaker 2>six pages, but we're still in the same simon. So

965
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:46.400
<v Speaker 2>let's stop here. Oh, one more thing I gotta tell you,

966
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:50.599
<v Speaker 2>okay before we start stop uh, because I see I

967
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 2>made I made a note of it here. You know what,

968
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Let me start next class. What does the zoeaar have

969
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:59.280
<v Speaker 2>to do with being a moscile. We'll pick up on

970
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.760
<v Speaker 2>that next class. I'll show you. I think you'll find

971
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>that of interest and the ba here and some other things.

972
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.320
<v Speaker 2>But we'll wait. We'll do that next class. Let me

973
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 2>take the questions. The hour goes by very fast. I

974
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:14.360
<v Speaker 2>am telling you I could sit here for two three hours.

975
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I think I'd be looking at it. Of the fifty

976
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:17.920
<v Speaker 2>people here, a few of you will be still be

977
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:20.280
<v Speaker 2>looking at the rest of you will be falling asleep.

978
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:23.400
<v Speaker 2>But let's go back to the questions. Not because it's

979
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.400
<v Speaker 2>not interesting, but it's late. You've had a long day,

980
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.199
<v Speaker 2>David Eisen, says Ahadi Fellow once argue with me that

981
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:31.480
<v Speaker 2>this community will not say the prayer for the state

982
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:35.199
<v Speaker 2>of Israel or for the soldiers until the religious Zionist

983
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:38.519
<v Speaker 2>community will say it's field for the Aeshiva students. In response,

984
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:40.599
<v Speaker 2>I asked him if he understood the text of your

985
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.679
<v Speaker 2>comb pork on, which is for everyone, including them, the leaders,

986
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:52.280
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Again, the thing makes no sense this guy,

987
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 2>because they're not saying the high La the prayer for

988
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:57.519
<v Speaker 2>the soldiers. Leave this state out for a minute. They're

989
00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 2>not saying the prayer for the soldiers as a fan

990
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:03.840
<v Speaker 2>to the ruler of deusionists or anything like that. They

991
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:07.119
<v Speaker 2>should be saying the prayer for the soldiers because of

992
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.000
<v Speaker 2>what the soldiers are doing for them. Rebbemazou's on another

993
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.320
<v Speaker 2>tape which you can listen to I can send anyone,

994
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:14.719
<v Speaker 2>says that the whole thing is idiotic. He says, if

995
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:18.159
<v Speaker 2>someone lends you ten dollars, you say thank you, So

996
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:20.440
<v Speaker 2>some guy's gonna take three years out of his life

997
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 2>to protect you, You're not gonna say thank you. It's

998
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 2>all uh, but we understand it. It's all tied up

999
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 2>with this hate, this anti Zionist extremism that has infected

1000
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.199
<v Speaker 2>the Ashkenazic world. Unfortunately, that they'll give legitimacy. I don't

1001
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.079
<v Speaker 2>know whose they is. But if if you if you

1002
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.320
<v Speaker 2>say the prayer for the soldiers, it's as if you

1003
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.760
<v Speaker 2>recognize the state Hospasholem, and therefore you can't do even

1004
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:49.559
<v Speaker 2>though the two are totally separate. Ah, So we heard

1005
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Lorch tells us that every canter wears it the same

1006
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<v Speaker 2>motto as the vermost of fine, same word of de

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<v Speaker 2>regliptious Ravuntermann. So now I have it and I could

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<v Speaker 2>wear it. David says, huts meaning aside from becomes a

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<v Speaker 2>hootzi in Rabbinic Hebrew, which is indeed similar to outside of.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we're almost thirty days from the Sator. It's

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<v Speaker 2>worth noting that the opposite of Laotzi is lejave is

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<v Speaker 2>in Benzema's teaching javigli Mosamachia, that is, including the days

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<v Speaker 2>of the Machia, and not to bring Ah very nicelytus David,

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<v Speaker 2>so very very very nice, as we saw, though, the

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<v Speaker 2>point of Levinson is that it goes to bar Bar

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<v Speaker 2>means both outside as rutz but also as in Levad

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<v Speaker 2>apart from and he says that comes back into Hebrew,

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<v Speaker 2>but only into very late Hebrew, as we he says cohlis,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we see it in Mishnea Hebrew. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>when I first studied Biblical Hebrew. That's the first time

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<v Speaker 2>I learned. I had no idea that the word hazar

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<v Speaker 2>it's not biblical Hebrew. You come until you learn biblical Hebrew,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't realize that in terms of return in Biblical

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrew at shuv, there's so many words that we use

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<v Speaker 2>that we it's all mixed up. We don't realize that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not really Biblical Hebrew. David says Apropos. The introduction

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<v Speaker 2>of Sparta pronunciation bear from Judaism. I always wonder why

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<v Speaker 2>the newspaper is called in English, yet nem on instead

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<v Speaker 2>of on. I I don't know. I wondered that as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll I'll tell you something else that I was

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<v Speaker 2>told by Nelson Kamenetsky that he says, you're wondering. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to check this. I believe it's uh uh, it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Ranusson Komeneski said to me. He was, of course put.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that, uh, they don't even know the grammar

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<v Speaker 2>that ye tate is feminine in Tanach it should be emma. Nah,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe some of which. I believe that of the

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<v Speaker 2>few times it appears, most of the times it's feminine,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think once it's masculine. But you're right it

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<v Speaker 2>should be I I don't know why, because these people

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<v Speaker 2>won't say the coattail, it will be the kaiso. So

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<v Speaker 2>uh ah, David got it right, Fez very nice. Someone

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<v Speaker 2>privately emails me, there have an article by Rev. Hamburgers

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<v Speaker 2>in the Journal your shirt. You were just saying, nor

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<v Speaker 2>of Nusson Adler and Spardak pronunciation. If anyone's interested, it's

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating because they all cite of Nusson Adler and in

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<v Speaker 2>my classes on the hustle sofur that you cannot see

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube, but you can see on you can listen

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<v Speaker 2>to them on the torn Motion website which has all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of great stuff to listen to in the car

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<v Speaker 2>and other times that we deal with from Nusson Adler,

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<v Speaker 2>Barack said, the more conservative still, yeah, they're in the

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<v Speaker 2>Haaradi world and more conservative. They teach Ashkenazik. I was

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<v Speaker 2>taught Spardak, but when I turned from my bro midside,

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<v Speaker 2>decided to learn the tow Ashkenazik, and because I figured

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's what my father did, and that's the tradition

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<v Speaker 2>in JC, where I didn't go for elementary school. I

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<v Speaker 2>went for high school, they did teach Ashkenazick, as I recall.

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<v Speaker 2>But my school and my kids they all learn Spardak

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<v Speaker 2>and yes common Shulman wears the couple and Burrough cites

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<v Speaker 2>some other psuchi masre mosco, mosque Aldal. That's actually that's

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<v Speaker 2>the name of the safer over Phila Weetenstein, who's the

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<v Speaker 2>most extreme of the extremists. So Mark says, that's how

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<v Speaker 2>the buttons are in kittles. Yes, that is I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Barro says, someone commented that buttoning right over left is

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<v Speaker 2>a shilah for men coppying female buttoning matter. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how they could say how far back does

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<v Speaker 2>that go? They What this person sent me was that

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<v Speaker 2>this is because the servant girls they they would since

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<v Speaker 2>they're right these most of them. That's why the women

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<v Speaker 2>did it that way. They didn't addressed themselves. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're right. Maybe we should say it's if we

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<v Speaker 2>do the Hasidic way, it's still busch. Gever David says

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<v Speaker 2>apropos sexual urges and will probably apocryphal, and again as

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<v Speaker 2>Pesacker's approaching biolic is quoted as referencing the GM equating

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<v Speaker 2>eating mats on arab pesach with having relations with one's

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<v Speaker 2>fiance and when's father in law's home. Biauk noted as

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<v Speaker 2>one who has done both, I can attest that they

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<v Speaker 2>are not the same. Okay, I've heard that. Actually, uh

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<v Speaker 2>Bar says ray yatad versus yasaid. Pronunciation also depends on

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<v Speaker 2>how you see the name. Okay, that's too complicated here,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, were yah ted is the stand for yadus

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<v Speaker 2>tora das and the stiper said to add on namon.

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<v Speaker 2>So if it's an acronym, then it's correct. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that by Nisson Kamenetsky was alive, that I

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<v Speaker 2>would tell him this. He had much anger against Yate

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<v Speaker 2>d'amon because they're the ones who apparently, he says, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's true, but the hrim on him

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<v Speaker 2>was not supposed to be public. It was supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be sent to him, and uh yeah, Tad got a

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<v Speaker 2>copy of it and a plastered on the front page,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it became official before it was actually given

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<v Speaker 2>approval from Alyoshev to be made public. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that's true, but being that Yat N'aman was the

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<v Speaker 2>organ that destroyed him and attacked him on its front

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<v Speaker 2>page every day for a few weeks and published all

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<v Speaker 2>the rairems on him, you can see that from nothing Kamenetsky,

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<v Speaker 2>as with a rabbi not Don Sliffkin, they would not

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<v Speaker 2>be too happy about your tatnem on. So years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>when my book on the Thirteen Principles came out, someone

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel asked me, and I'm not sure if he

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<v Speaker 2>was being serious or sarcastic or joking. He says, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be put in reiram. I can arrange

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<v Speaker 2>it because and that will increase sales and make it

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<v Speaker 2>make it. I said, no, thank you. I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to be to be put a harem. And he says,

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually quite easy. All you do is you you

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<v Speaker 2>write up a letter saying that so and so was

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<v Speaker 2>spreading bad ideas you can say about anyone, and you

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<v Speaker 2>bring it to a few rabbis. Hey, they don't read English,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you say that someone's spreading bad ideas, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>sign on to it. And he says it's quite easy

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<v Speaker 2>to get anyone to sign on to a rairam. And

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<v Speaker 2>that says Rabbi Komenski pointed out, so with this, Rabbi Kelman,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought we had more questions. I would have gone

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<v Speaker 2>a couple more minutes, but I see not how someoney

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<v Speaker 2>texts me there's a lecture on YouTube ness in the

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<v Speaker 2>making of a rerem. Yes, he spoke. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was like university gave that talk. But I'll give it

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<v Speaker 2>to you. Rabbi Kellman, and wish first, wish everyone a

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<v Speaker 2>nice porum. It's been a year. Remember last year this

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<v Speaker 2>time is when we first recognized and some people didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go to show it was so Hopefully we're nearing the end.

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