WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:13.199 Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join 2 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:15.759 us as we dive into the deep end of the 3 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:18.719 unexplainable and try to piece together what happened. 4 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:54.479 And you are listening to Locations Unknown. What's up, everybody? 5 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:58.600 Welcome back to another episode of Locations Unknown. I am 6 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:01.920 your solo host, Mike van de Bogart. Know Joe this 7 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:06.120 week he is out taking his daughter to college, So 8 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.439 very special moment for Joe and we're really excited for him. 9 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.599 So we don't actually have a new episode this week. 10 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:16.640 So last week, Joe and I went on the Crime 11 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.760 Off the Grid show, So they're are show on our 12 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.120 Unknown Media Group network. If you're not familiar with the show, 13 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:27.280 it's hosted by two ladies who have spent over thirty 14 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:31.480 years in the National Park Service as law enforcement rangers. 15 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:35.959 So really cool background. Nancy was a captain in the 16 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.599 US Forest Service at one point two entires spent most 17 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.959 of her career in Yellowstone National Park. So Joe and 18 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:44.480 I went on their show and we brought with us 19 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:48.359 three cases that we've covered years ago. So these cases 20 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:51.959 are really interesting. If you're familiar with our cold case episodes, 21 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:53.840 we did it, you know, three of them in a row, 22 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:58.400 very high level, super high level, and then we let 23 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:01.879 we sat back in, let Tara Nancy tell us their 24 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.519 theories on what they think happened, because these cases are 25 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.599 very bizarre. So one of them was the case of 26 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:11.240 the guy who was working on a Discovery Channel show 27 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.680 and just ran off into the woods, just up and 28 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:17.120 ran off, and everyone was kind of like, where do 29 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:20.080 you go? Never found them? So yeah, we went on 30 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.319 their show and we went through these three cases and 31 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.520 then listened to their theories and it was a really 32 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:28.639 cool episode. They published it to their feed this Monday, 33 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.080 and we thought it would be really cool to we're 34 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:34.199 going to republish it to our feed for all of 35 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.159 those people who have never heard of their show, don't 36 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.800 listen to their show. Their show is true crime, but 37 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.039 it's different than what we do. So they cover actual 38 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.360 crime in the National Park Service, so murders and things 39 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.400 like that, whereas we cover you know, somebody went hiking 40 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:53.599 down this trail and just vanished, So they don't really 41 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:56.039 cover stuff we do, and we don't really ever cover 42 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.400 murders like that in the National Park Service. So two 43 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:02.400 different shows, still true crime, but their show is great. 44 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.719 I recommend you go give them a listen, go subscribe, 45 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.520 and they have an amazing amount of experience from actually 46 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:14.240 working in the National Park Service and actually one of 47 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:18.159 the cases we covered on their show earlier this week, 48 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:21.000 they were able to speak with people in the Park 49 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.479 Service that were actually on the search and rescue. That's 50 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.120 the kind of access they still have with the National 51 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:29.639 Park Service. So really cool episode. We're going to post 52 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.639 it to our feed ad free so you can listen 53 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:35.360 to the whole episode uninterrupted, and we really hope that 54 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:37.280 you like it and you go over there and subscribe 55 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.039 to their show. They're great, and we're going to do 56 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.199 more collaborations together because they have so much experience. Joe 57 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.759 and I love talking to them every time because every 58 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.840 time we speak there's new stories we hear about which 59 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:51.680 are just fascinating. Hope you like this episode. Joe and 60 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.719 I will be back next week with a brand new episode. 61 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:58.000 We'll be back before you know it, and without further ado, 62 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.639 please enjoy an episodeode from Crime Off the Grid. 63 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.879 Hey there, if you like true crime stories and you 64 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:21.040 love being in the great outdoors, you have come to 65 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:29.480 the right place. Welcome to Crime Off the Grid. Hey, 66 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:33.680 welcome everyone to a special episode of Crime Off the Grid. 67 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:35.920 I'm Tara and I'm Nancy. 68 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:39.920 And joining us today are the dynamic duo behind the 69 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:45.360 Locations Unknown podcast, Mike vander Bogert. Do I pronounce that right? 70 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:46.639 That's pretty good? 71 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.480 Okay? And Joe Eroto did I pronounce that right? 72 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:51.079 You did? 73 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:55.879 Awesome? Two guys who spend their free time wandering in 74 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:58.959 the woods and asking, Hey, where'd everybody go? And they 75 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:04.279 turned getting lost. They've turned getting lost into an art 76 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:08.399 form and a podcast, and so Mike and Joe used 77 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:13.879 their decade of backcountry experience to explore mysterious unsolved disappearances 78 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:18.920 within North America's wilderness. The show blends elements of true crime, 79 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:23.879 such as unsolved mysteries, with the adventurous survival focus style 80 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.000 of survivor. Man, is that still a show? I don't 81 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:33.639 even know? And oh that's a guy? Okay? 82 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:36.279 All right? 83 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.800 Do you guys delve into cases of people who have 84 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:43.319 vanished literally without a trace, in remote and treacherous environments. 85 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.000 So grab your compass and your best conspiracy theory. We're 86 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:50.720 going off the Grid with Locations Unknown, So welcome to 87 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:51.079 the show. 88 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:57.000 Mike and Joe thanks about what we've been doing. 89 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.439 I know, well, no kidding, Yeah. 90 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:00.439 You're big time. 91 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:02.759 So we're very honored to have you here on the 92 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:03.519 show with us. 93 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.040 Okay, guys, before we get started, though, what what made 94 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:10.199 you guys want to do this? Start this podcast? Locations 95 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:11.879 on that Well. 96 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.120 It started back when Joe and I did a lot 97 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.079 of hiking together. We would be out in the woods 98 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:23.720 and you would sometimes come across a missing person sign 99 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:28.399 or okay, someone in the ranger station would say something 100 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:31.120 about keep an eye out, you know, if you're out there, 101 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:33.600 and we would always there's not a lot you don't 102 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.360 you know, you don't get cell phone reception at night. 103 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:38.639 When you're around, you know, the tent. You kind of 104 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:43.120 start talking about different stuff, different disappearances. And I actually 105 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.319 kind of got into the Missing four or one books 106 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:47.879 years ago, which kind of smarked my interest. Initially, I 107 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.720 started a website that just kind of tracked missing persons. 108 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:52.199 Oh wow. 109 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:54.160 And then Joe and I were at a bar one 110 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:54.480 day and. 111 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:57.839 We're just talking about it, and I think Joe's like, hey, 112 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.120 maybe we should try just doing a podcast and no 113 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:01.600 one might listen, but we'll have fun. 114 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:05.319 I always call this thing Mike's Baby, because you started 115 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.560 the website and you were telling me all about it 116 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:09.639 because you were really excited about that, And I wasn't 117 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:11.639 even into the four one one books until you told 118 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:15.000 me after that. I mean, it was definitely based off 119 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:16.720 of when we go hiking, like, oh, you're gonna be 120 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:19.959 on this trailing glacier. Well, three people went missing last time, 121 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.199 so if you see anything, let us know right what 122 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:25.519 the heck happened to these people? Yeah, or, as you 123 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:27.600 so eloquently put it, we walk out there and go 124 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:28.600 where is everybody? 125 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.319 Well, as we dug into the cases, more and more 126 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:36.600 we kept getting cases where it was beyond just someone 127 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:39.480 went out into the woods and got turned around and 128 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.360 wasn't found again. It was cases where someone would be 129 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.959 in a group of people, they might be lagging behind 130 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.079 on the trail twenty feet someone looks back, they're there 131 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.319 one second, five ten seconds later, they look back again 132 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.759 and they're gone. Yeah, and they never find any gear, 133 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.079 they don't find any tracks, nothing. 134 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:00.959 So those cases are really kind of what wild. They're wild? 135 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:03.480 I mean, they're still you can't, I can't. A lot 136 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:05.439 of cases we see they were like what could have 137 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:06.560 possibly happened? 138 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:08.360 They were there and then gone. 139 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:12.360 Like so it's some of these cases are so fascinating, 140 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:15.680 and I think that's why you've seen an explosion in 141 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:16.600 these kinds of shows. 142 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:18.639 When Joe and I started, there was no one really 143 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.920 doing it. Yeah, we were like the first outdoors true 144 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:24.839 crime specific in the genre, blending that together. 145 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.920 Yeah, now it's really grown into a huge part of podcasting. 146 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:32.399 It's kind of surprising that people do continue to like 147 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.519 and want listen and watch our show because the end 148 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:37.360 is usually the same, Yeah. 149 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:40.480 And it's we don't know what happens. 150 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:41.159 We don't know. 151 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:44.720 Yeah, what do you think exactly? 152 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:45.559 Yeah. 153 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.240 So, Yeah, they're fascinating cases and I love talking about them, 154 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:52.240 and Joe and I we've been doing this now since 155 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:54.720 twenty eighteen and. 156 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:57.440 A long time six years. 157 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:04.320 Yeah, no, more than that, Carrie's one. 158 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.679 We're good at math, Yeah, good at math counting kind 159 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:08.000 of good. 160 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.840 But no, Yeah, we enjoy doing it, and we love 161 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:14.679 all the new shows that are crapping up, especially a 162 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.159 show like yours that comes from more of a perspective 163 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.799 of people that have worked in the park, which is 164 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:24.279 really interesting. That's obviously something we we bring a different 165 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.440 perspective to a lot of these cases. But we're excited 166 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:29.440 to be here with you both of you today because 167 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:31.919 you bring you both bring a very unique perspective to 168 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:33.200 cases like this. 169 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.720 Absolutely well, thanks, Hey, can you share while we're we're 170 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:40.200 actually affiliated in some way, can you explain while we're 171 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:41.879 sort of affiliated now, what you mean? 172 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:47.039 So part of us, part of our growth is we've 173 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:51.600 been trying to bring shows like ours together to form 174 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:53.080 kind of like a co op in the in the 175 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:56.960 podcast space. So we create an unknown media and essentially 176 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.879 we host you guys and help potentially bring more ad 177 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.320 revenue to your show and to the network. But just 178 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:06.080 in hopes of we believe in game theory and that 179 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:08.799 is there's more than enough room in this space, so 180 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:10.679 we don't need to be fighting each other for listens. 181 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:12.919 We can share it because what we found is people 182 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.720 who like these styles of shows, they listen to all 183 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:17.679 of them. You know, they'll listen to National Park After 184 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.799 Dark and our show and your show. So we're trying 185 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.919 to figure out ways to bring everybody together and see 186 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.840 if we can't all profit off of a much bigger 187 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:29.240 pie than going independently. So yeah, we're still in the 188 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.440 beginning phases of it. But it seems to be going 189 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:33.600 pretty well right now. I don't know, you guys seen 190 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:34.879 a bump in your numbers. 191 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.039 Yeah, yeah, actually we have thanks to you guys. Well, 192 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:42.240 what are the other shows that our brothers and sisters 193 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.799 who are they share with everybody? What other shows should 194 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:45.519 they be listening to? 195 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:47.159 We have a right go ahead? 196 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:48.840 Oh no, I would say we have Off the Trails, 197 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:51.879 which is a it's a similar show to ours, but 198 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:56.120 it's with two female hosts, so you know, sometimes people 199 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:00.960 prefer male hosts, sometimes people prefer female hosts, and they 200 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:04.240 have their own angle on it. So it's it's a 201 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.559 similar show, but it's not the same. And people that 202 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.840 have liked our show have kind of also gravitated towards 203 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.919 their show because it offers kind of a different listening experience. 204 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:18.240 And we have Peanut Butter and Mountain Podcast. That's another 205 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:21.519 great he's actually got a pretty big following on YouTube. 206 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:25.240 Yes, and then Weirdos. 207 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:28.080 We know that one is kind of more of a 208 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:32.159 historical not exactly in our wheelhouse, but it's a really 209 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:37.080 interesting show about strange stuff famous people in history kind 210 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:40.759 of did behind closed Doors, very fascinating. A lot of 211 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.279 I'm surprised at some of the weird stuff people do. 212 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.879 Yes, so yeah, that shows not for kids. 213 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.679 Yeah. 214 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:47.639 And then. 215 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:51.080 And then Who Runs This Park? 216 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.200 Which is a really it's kind of an interview style 217 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:57.919 show where she interviews lots of you know, park superintendents 218 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.320 and people that are in the outdoor space that either 219 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:02.840 run organizations or. 220 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.159 Outdoor companies or are involved in the park. 221 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:08.240 So it's a really informative show if you want to 222 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.039 learn about kind of what goes on in these parks 223 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.080 and in that space. 224 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.080 Yeah, I'm surprised she gets people to talk to her. 225 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.639 Yeah. Yeah, well I will. 226 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:25.360 Say Nancy and I, we generally only cover cases that 227 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:27.320 have been adjudicated or have an ending. 228 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.679 So smart, weird Gray, Well. 229 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.440 That's my brain is really hard to wrap around, you know, 230 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:37.679 like researching. So that's kind of hard what you do. 231 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.960 I think researching cases that where people are actually missing, 232 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:43.720 and it's actually a really good thing that you do, 233 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.919 and you know, it makes people think and maybe we 234 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.200 especially go to a park and yeah I just heard 235 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.320 about this one guy that's been missing for two years. 236 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:54.039 And anyway, it's hard for me to wrap my head 237 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.480 around the research for that, So thank you for doing that. 238 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:58.480 And we'll just stick to our conclusions. 239 00:12:58.720 --> 00:12:59.320 Yeah. 240 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:01.960 In one of the the cool byproducts of Joe and 241 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.759 I covering cases like this is every so often we 242 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:07.480 might cover a case that happened ten years ago or 243 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:10.440 fifteen years ago, and out of the blue, we'll get 244 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:15.080 contacted by the spouse or one of the person's kids 245 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.559 or another family member and they'll just, you know, they'll 246 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.240 thank us for continuing to get the message because a 247 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.879 lot of the cases, most of them are unsolved, and 248 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.480 the family really just wants anyone in everyone to talk 249 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.799 about them as much as possible because they're hoping maybe 250 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.360 somebody hears it and is hiking out there and find something. 251 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:37.360 That was actually the most surprising to me. Yeah, because 252 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.320 we talked about when we were first starting, you kind 253 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:42.360 of get nervous. You're like, we're telling the stories of people, Yeah, 254 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:45.960 especially families that have had tragedy. You don't know how 255 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.120 they're going to react, and we're kind of like waiting 256 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.480 with baited breath, like, yeah, a bunch of hate mail 257 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:54.120 from family members and it's not always friendly, it's not over. 258 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.279 But I mean I can think of one or two 259 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:58.600 out of a one hundred and fifty cases I mean, 260 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:02.000 normally we don't hear anything, but the majority of them 261 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:05.399 not only reach out, they've sent us gifts sometimes like 262 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:08.519 it's really neat. It makes us feel better that we're 263 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:11.120 doing it. I think the big thing is too we 264 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.840 try and not disparage people, even if there's people that 265 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.679 have made some dumb mistakes, because we all make really 266 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:19.519 dumb mistakes, and I think a lot of us are 267 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:23.240 lucky enough to get out of our dumb mistake, So 268 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.679 we're not the type of people we're gonna just crap 269 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:29.159 all over somebody screwing up and then becoming missing in 270 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:32.480 the woods or having a tragedy. No, being respectful is 271 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:36.799 always key, but yeah, it's been overwhelmingly supportive, and that's 272 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:37.480 been surprising. 273 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:40.360 Yeah, it's a real fine line when you're talking about 274 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:44.120 someone's loved one who's still missing and they have no closure, 275 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:47.080 no remains even found. There's a real fine line you 276 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:51.919 have to walk to not be disrespectful. But also at 277 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.320 the end of the day, you know, we're providing entertainment. 278 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:57.440 Kind of sounds dark, but so Joe and I try 279 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:01.879 to always be respectful about the sub but also Joe 280 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:04.759 and I also we tell people how we act like 281 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:06.519 in the podcast is authentic. 282 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:07.720 That's how we are in real life. 283 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.879 So we try to just be kind of you know, 284 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:13.879 who we are, and so some you know, sometimes we'll 285 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:17.000 get comments from listeners that we're joking around too much 286 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:19.879 during an episode, and I think people miss the point, 287 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:24.480 like these are really dark topics and subjects, and uh, 288 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:26.360 you know, if we're talking about a location, we might 289 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.200 crack a few jokes, but when we get into the 290 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.399 timeline and talking about the missing person, we were never 291 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:32.919 you know, we. 292 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:33.600 We try our best. 293 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:35.320 You know, once in a while probably happens, but we 294 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:40.440 try really hard to be respectful of right and you know, 295 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:42.679 if we talk about things like suicide, we try to 296 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:45.799 provide we you know, we provide the numbers people can 297 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:49.639 call if someone's experiencing that. And so, yeah, it's a 298 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:51.960 real fine line, especially in this kind of topic, because 299 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:56.320 it's understandable people can be real uh mad at you 300 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.399 and talking about you know, one of their close family 301 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.639 members that went missing, and you know, they're emotional about it. 302 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.919 It's understandable, and so yeah, it's that's probably the nicer 303 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.879 thing about doing cases that have been have gone through 304 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:16.320 the legal system. You're it's you know, emotions are probably 305 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.600 cooled off once the whole case is done. There's closure, 306 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:21.200 there's some kind of closure, I. 307 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.440 Guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, And the same with Nancy and I. 308 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:26.480 We you know, I feel like we come at this 309 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.120 like you, you guys do with humor, and a lot 310 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:32.200 of people I think, gravitate to these types of shows 311 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.840 because there's humor in it, because they are dark topics 312 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.000 and you can just you just it's too hard to 313 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:39.840 get through this day after day and listen all the 314 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.960 time if all you were listening to was the dark, 315 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:47.000 depressing aspect of it. And we never make fun of victims, 316 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:50.600 and we try to actually provide information about victims of 317 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:54.039 crime and things because we've both worked with them. But 318 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:58.360 we have no problem, you know, given a hard time 319 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.480 to the dirt backs that create. 320 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:04.279 The new tongues so mean. 321 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:10.160 And w W and D what would Nancy do? 322 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:12.839 Still? I tell that story to so. 323 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:20.240 Much it's totally legitimate. But on that note, you guys 324 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:27.200 came prepared with three stories that are locations unknown, full 325 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.559 on typical stories that you tell, and you've already told 326 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.240 this maybe the full version previously. I don't know about 327 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.359 all of them. But it's maybe one or two of them. 328 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.319 I don't know. But you're giving us an abbreviated version 329 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:42.359 of three stories. So we're pretty excited, and so maybe 330 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:43.920 we'll just let you go ahead and get started. 331 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.079 Yeah, all right, are we? Are we going to do 332 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:48.400 like music and everything. 333 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:55.480 I can add that in because I note you have 334 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:58.319 to share with me your your file, your MP three 335 00:17:58.359 --> 00:17:59.799 file for that your intro music. 336 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.440 Oh I could do them, no, Like, this is how 337 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.400 we do the show. I do the music live, yea. 338 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:06.480 Every time you hear that music, I'm actually controlled. 339 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:08.279 Wow. 340 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.039 I'll do the breakdown music just for fun, and I'll 341 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:12.240 love everybody's mic on it. 342 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:12.839 Wow. 343 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:17.400 Yeah, I do it because real quick, there was a 344 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:19.559 couple episodes where he was gone and I was running 345 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:21.759 it all myself and trying to do the episode, and 346 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.079 I was pressing all the wrong buttons. 347 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:23.720 And. 348 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:27.119 So, like, I get Joe a lot of credit because 349 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:30.279 he is manning the mother over there and still talking. 350 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:32.599 That's like flying a helicopter. 351 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:38.160 It's it's a very important skill. The supersedes all all 352 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:42.079 their skills in my life. All right, So we're gonna 353 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.319 do Terrence Woods Pierce. Is that the first one. 354 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.079 Yep, that's the first one. So all three of these 355 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.759 we have done on our show before. Usually we do 356 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:53.319 about an hour for an episode. We've condensed these down 357 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:54.799 so we can get through three of them. 358 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:57.319 I'll do the breakdown. He's going the first one just 359 00:18:57.319 --> 00:18:59.039 for fun and though, okay, we don't have to continue. 360 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:02.680 Are you guys ready, I'll do the whole thing. All right, everybody, 361 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:06.160 let's gear up and get out to explore locations unknown. 362 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:12.200 I just got chills. See now we have to wait 363 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:14.680 for a specific part where I start talking. This is 364 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:15.440 behind the scenes. 365 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:17.480 This is how the sausage is made. I can't believe 366 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.160 we get to see it. Nancy, look at this, I 367 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:19.799 know right. 368 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.799 On October fifth, twenty eighteen, twenty seven year old freelance 369 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.599 filmmaker Terrence Woods abruptly ran down a steep slope near 370 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.240 the Penman Mine during a TV shoot and vanished into 371 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:38.319 the dense mountain forest. A large multi day search found 372 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:43.680 no trace. Conflicting accounts, terrain challenges, and investigative gaps at 373 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:47.720 fueled debate over what happened. Join us this week as 374 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:53.119 we investigate the disappearance of Terrence Woods. There it is 375 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.519 the music. As we start talking about the location information. 376 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.440 So this story takes place in the Penman Mine in 377 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:08.759 the Oral Grande area within the Nez Pierce Clearwater National Forest. 378 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:13.160 It's in Idaho County, Idaho. The base of operations is 379 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:17.359 in Elk City, Idaho, which is approximately elevation of near 380 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.519 the near sight of six thousand and real quick, is 381 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:23.319 it Pierce or Purse Perse Per? 382 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:29.079 I say Purse. We have miss Purse in person. Person. 383 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:31.039 We have experts on with us. 384 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.759 Oh, my gosh, we edit so much. 385 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:36.480 We met. 386 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.119 Hey like you, we've been getting We get emails about 387 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:41.240 mispronouncing things. 388 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:44.519 Hey, hold on, This is how you know you're starting 389 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:49.759 to make it when you start getting all the hate mail. Yes, yes, haters. Yeah. 390 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.160 So we're talking about the Nez perse National Forest. It 391 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.319 is two point two million acres roughly and administratively combined 392 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:04.480 with Clearwater National Force in twenty twelve. Land span from 393 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.359 the Oregon border to the Montana border, bounded by the 394 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.480 Salmon River to the south and Idaho Panhandle and a 395 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:14.759 National forest to the north. A heritage so it's the 396 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:19.559 traditional homeland of the I can't pronounce this Nimipooh. The 397 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:22.480 Nez Perce Forest name reflects this history. I think I 398 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:23.000 got that right. 399 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:24.200 I think that sounds good. 400 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:28.200 Yeah, yeah, good, yeah. Yeah. It's extremely mountainous. The mountains 401 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.640