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Speaker 2: What's up everybody? Joeldenell Here. It is Sunday, July twelfth,

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twenty twenty six, and I have had wuite the weekend

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here with seeing two wrestling shows in person that I

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want to talk about with you guys today. I went

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Minnesota on Friday night, and then I went to the

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and driving five and a half hours to Illinois watching

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of that stuff this weekend. I had originally planned on

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Speaker 2: So I think I then I will start with just

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going in order by talking about the AW brawl in

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the ballpark, which Greg Canner and I on the Alli

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League Conversation Club podcast. I'd given this more conversation than

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because I was going to attend this in person. Very

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curious about what AW planned on doing in their collaboration

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with MLB and the Minnesota Twins. They originally announced this

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like a month or so ago, where they had Top

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Flight where the local wrestlers doing an angle with Jeff

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a foregone conclusion that they were going to have that

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match on this card in some shape or form, but

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instead Tony actually booked something that I think checks a

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lot of the boxes of who was at this event,

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at the event, as well as your casuals who just

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a mix of all sorts of different stuff. They announced

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a card on social media. I think it was the

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same day that they announced it. There were some promo

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videos with Anthony Bowen's. He has a history of playing baseball,

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association with the with AW. I know that Anthony Bowens

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did do it the day before, but I don't know

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who they had on Friday night. I did get there

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about thirty minutes early, and the game was pretty decently packed.

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a Cubs game or Yankees game, where you can expect

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every game to be pretty filled. But you know, you

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then you know, the wrestling fans and some more curiosity

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for this event. So they did have some beaming and stuff.

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where wore a mask mask and had like some boxing

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trunks with him, and he did a couple of gimmicks

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type blow up thing. A couple of little segments on

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the screens of like asking about who wrestler is born

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in Minnesota, a couple of promos for aw to stick

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so down the first baseline they have like this plaza

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area of target field where you can is one of

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the gates where you can walk in. I guess that

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would be considered the main entrance, and so that's where

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they set up the ring there, and then they had

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people if you bought the VIP ticket, you could have

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access to sit around the ring. Otherwise most people were

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either sitting in the stands trying to get an overview,

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or you could get down closer to the rig, which

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the game other than just that promo with Wheeler Yuda

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beating up TC Bear. I don't think TC Bear ever

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got his come up bits later, but they did promote

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that Wheeler would be in the match against Orange Cassidy

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to kick off that show. So the Twins game did

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run a little bit longer than expected. They said that

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this was about was approximately going to start at nine

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thirty and it definitely start after ten o'clock. People were

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lining up and getting into into their spots there, I

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mean pretty early on in the game where people are

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that area just kind of see what it was all

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looking like, and you know, beat them setting up, Just

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kind of very curious about the whole setup of it,

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where they did have like some staging area that's had

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brawl in the ballpark. If you've seen any of the pictures,

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it's like they had this stage of like two screens

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that did look fairly professional, and then then they created

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a barricade once they before they started the event for

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kind of the walkout of the wrestlers, because they were

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all kind of stationed in this first baseline area called

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the Truly Odd Deck, which was a spot where that

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you could actually hang out with some of the aw wrestlers.

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Speaker 3: So I did not do that event.

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Speaker 2: At any rate, things were a little bit later to

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get started there. As I mentioned, I think it was

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the Earth started the event, which kicked off with having

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Stephan Smith who refereed all of the matches, and then

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you got the biggest surprise of the night with Tony

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Kahan coming out there and basically saying the same stuff

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just kind of says the same stuff of being thankful

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Speaker 3: And then he actually did.

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Speaker 2: Come out a second time and he asked about, you know,

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how many people have been to AW before, and you know,

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I can't remember if there was anything else significant that

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because of you, etcetera, etcetera. So nothing huge, But what

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actually buy the Minnesota Twins franchise. They've been up for sale.

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Speaker 2: They kicked off the show with Orange Cassidy defeating Wheeler Yuda.

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he did some dives and some cool stuff there. Crowd

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but amused where they I think Orange Cassidy was definitely

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not what they had imagined when going to a post

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wrestling event at the Twins game, So that's really all

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there is to say on that one. But in the

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where we did get to the top flight, and crowd

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was clearly behind them as the local favorites here. And

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then Comban Dare making his aw return after getting the

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visa issues figured out. They went up against Action and

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Dretti and the ops at the Bones at Hook Anthony

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Bones did a lot of crowd work, you know, trying

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to get cheered and saying to the crowd and I

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can't understand why he's not getting cheered. Hook was just

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doing some meat mugging to the crowd actly, and Dretti

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kind of doing this thing as well. But Cobandair obviously

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was the highlight here. I've heard that he's been doing

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a lot of really great stuff in Mexico. Lately, So

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it's gonna be good to have him back on AW television.

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Speaker 3: Because it was hot outside.

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Speaker 2: Uh, and there was a moment where I think it

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was action and Dretty maybe slipped down the ropes when

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he was trying to do a move and uh, you

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can imagine from the humidity there. But Commander I was

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a little concerned about him doing walking the ropes and

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doing a flip off of there, and but he did

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so and it looked great and that really popped the crowd. Uh,

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so people really like this if I did mention Commander

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in Top Flight defeated actually Andretti in the ops. So

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this was probably the most exciting match that they had

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on the show. But it was just a lot of

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spots back and forth. Here. This was to kind of

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show off. Here's the spots where the first one was

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more of the character work and into the orange Cassidy.

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See if that appeals to the casuals. This was more

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of the action to show, hey, this is what we

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do in the ring and this is what we're really

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good at. Next one was Julia Hart versus Hyan. Julia

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Hart wins this one. Julia is the heel in AW

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but in Minneapolis. She is absolutely a babyface and the

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crowd wanted to see her wins so badly where she

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was actually dominating high end for most of this, So

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poor Hyan being booked as the babyface here, but Julia

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was just kind of beating on her. People were cheering

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for it, and then any hope spot that Hi would

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get the crowd with poo poo that. So Julia Hart

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wins this one in the end. She did take a

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nasty spot on the back of her head, but she

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seemed to be okay and finished out everything just fine.

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top or something off the top rope. But yeah, this

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was a crowd was very much behind Julie Hard I'd

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say even more so in the top flight as far

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as being a local favorite here that we also had

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Brian Cage defeating Sirpentaco. This match is exactly what you

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think it would be, Sir Pentago getting some hope spots,

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a lot of comedy here with how ridiculously larger Brian

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Cage is from Sir Pentaco. So this kind of gives

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you that more of that what I think some of

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these people would imagine as the wrestling show is seeing

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the big muscled up guy going up against the small

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guy in the mask and just throwing him around the

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ring for a few minutes. So nothing huge there, but

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also just good to see Brian Cage in general. Main

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event was the Hertz and Kim Populashley and Shelton Benjamin

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defeating the Shane Taylor promotions Lee Moriarty and Shane Taylor. Also,

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they had Carly Bravo with them, Carly Bravo doing a

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ton of crowd work on the ringside area, you know,

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getting in the face of kids and yelling back and forth,

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you know, telling people not to chant, that we hurt

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people stuff. So a lot of fun stuff here. I

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think definitely the crowd saw the Hurt Syndicate as the

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biggest stars on this show, even more so than Orange Cassidy.

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You know, I had said before about Tony Kin always

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has a thing for shell Benjamin in Minnesota, but you know,

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I think that this time Shelton did, you know, embrace that,

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and the crowd definitely was given some good shout outs

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to Shelton. I mean, like Minnesota people don't see Shelton

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as like one of their own. I mean he is

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like an adopted one. I mean similarly but different from

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Brock Lester, where like Brock, you know, continue to live

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on in Minnesota even after his his days as a

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gold Gopher. When he was in the WWE, he was

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actually living in Alexandria, Minnesota, so just further up north there,

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so he feels more in Minnesota than than Shelt Benjamin does.

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At anyway, the crowd was into it, and they had

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a standard you know, hurt send to get match where

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it's not it's more power moves, it's more kind of

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chasing the opponents than it is you know, I flying

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athletic action.

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Speaker 3: So all in all good stuff.

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Speaker 2: I was starting to head out before I saw heard

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the rest of Sut Benjamin's promo that he did after

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in the postmatch, I saw the Orage Cassidy also came out.

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I was able to see this kind of on the

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screens area, but I'm not sure what he said there.

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I'm sure just a version of thanking the crowd for

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coming out and supporting. This was absolutely a unique event

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and venue for AW and I'm certain that they will

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do it again for another team, probably not for the

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Twins again, even though I think that they could still

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draw a crowd for it. I would think that they'd

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probably try and sell this concept to try and go

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to some other stadiums and expand upon that.

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Speaker 3: I mean I've mentioned too.

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Speaker 2: I mean they did have some graphics I mean kind

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of all over the stadium, you know, on the big

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and on the faceas it rings areas with the AW

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and the brawl the park ballpark logo. They were selling

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merchandise there. I took some photos of that. They had

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like a T shirt that you could buy. They also

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had stickers, my nets, beer koozies, kind of like the

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standard MLB stuff Like this didn't look like it was

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AW manufactured. It looked like it was all the same

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branding that like MLB uses. So I think this was

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probably MLB merchandise with the AW logo on.

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Speaker 3: Top of it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really see anybody buying any of that other

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merch It's not like your typical AW pay per view

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or even you know, TV show or there's huge lines

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for merchandise. That did not seem to be the case

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here at all. They did give away like a Lucha

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mask hat, which is like a regular Twins hat, but

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in the back it's got eight drapes over of a

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mask and then they had the brawl the ballpark logo

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that was stitched on to the side of it, so

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again another thing that you had to buy, buy a

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little bit more to get that. But otherwise, if you

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had just had a ticket to the Twins game, you

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could also stick around for Broadland the ballpark. So I

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will transition over to the G one Climax thirty sixth

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Night one. So this took place at the Now Arena,

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which has become, like you know, one of aw's main

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home bases. They've had somebody at the all out pay

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per views there. They had the World's End pay per

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view last there in December, so this is pretty standard

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for AW. But this is the first time that New

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Japan has actually run this building. So this is the

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fourth time New Japan has run an event in the

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Chicago area. First time they did so was in twenty

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twenty two. I think it was called the Odium Expo Arena,

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and I want to say that was like the last

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event that they had there. So imagine like a field

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house that you would typically see like GCW in That's

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what New Japan started out in. Then they moved to

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the wind Trust which is closer to the downtown area

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or on the south side of things, which is like

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a like G League NBA or no, it's not Gleakuba

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that's what now Arita is. It's I want to say

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WNBA is there. Also, it's like a college arena at

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wind Trust at AW has brought their plenty. They've had

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a Revolution of twenty twenty was it that build aa

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that They've also had several Dynamites and other shows that they're.

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Speaker 2: Com and so New Japan ran that the first time

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was for in twenty twenty four IWGP Heavyweight Championship between

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John Boxley and Nito. That's where Moxley won the belt,

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and then last year they ran the same billity again

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with less attendance, and that was for ton of Hashi

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versus Takeshita in tana Hashi's final match in the United States.

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So now Rina is a little bit bigger. I think

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New Japan was hoping to do better than what they

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did for tana Hashi's last match, which is still a

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hard sell given that tana Hashi is a is a

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really big star in the United States. And then when

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g One has come here this year, they just don't

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have the same star power like they have in the

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past years. The g One has not been the same

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for the last few years, I'd say, but they are

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now at a point where they are pivoting to focus

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on a lot of these younger stars. I mean, it

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took them long enough to fight get there, but here

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we are now. But they don't have the same like Okada,

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a ton of Hashi, Ibushi, Nito, Kenny, Omega, Ehi. They

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don't have those same wrestlers in the g One, so

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it doesn't have that same star power effect coming to

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the United States where if it was back in that

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era like they did when they ran Dallas. They did

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pretty well there where at this time around I'm seeing

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a number right now that says they were just over

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four thousand. That arena was not half full, it was

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there was a few sections that were like completely full

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that looked like they were maybe trying to condense, even

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though the camera was in the back pointed at the

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stage area, so it didn't really even matter. But there

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was nobody in the upper level areas. It was just

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kind of the floor, and then the back of the

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floor was pretty empty. But you know, all the first however,

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many rows around the rig were totally full, and then

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you know, all the good seats were pretty much taken

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up there, so anything that would be considered a really

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good or close seat was filled, but anything that was

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in the upper level was open or stuff that was

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far in the back area. But this is the out

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of all those New Japan shows, you know, I've attended

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all of them in the Chicago area, and this was

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the first one that really felt like it was a

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true New Japan presentation. All the other shows have had

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that mix of the New Japan world stuff where it's

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like the Americanized version of New Japan where you get

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a lot of the wrestlers who mostly just wrestle the

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United States here with a sprinkling of some of the

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New japan guys and not all the biggest stars, but

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you know, enough to draw in the United States or

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who people are familiar with. So the show had a

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lot of new names and people I don't specifically remember

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seeing on past shows in the United States. You know,

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Aaron Wolf is a rookie, so of course he would

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be on any of the other shows. Jake Lee is

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newer to New Japan. But you know Ice Callum Newman,

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Well he's done some stuff with A and W. But

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Rio Hey Oiwa yodas Suji. I mean yeah, I said,

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you know Ice an Oscar. But yeah, some of those

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names you don't have not seen typically on the United

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States cards. I mean, some of them may be sprinkled

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here there in the Battle of the Valley or some

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of the other events that they've had, But as far

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as for the Chicago market, you're getting newer people with

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you know, the names that people know are Zach Saber

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Junior Takeshna Hiroki Godo to a degree, but most people

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are pretty new. So I was curious to see this

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because you still in Chicago have a large New Japan

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fan base. I think that New Japan has figured out that,

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you know, they do have a fan base in the

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United States. It's you know, it's it's wrestling fans all over.

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But they've ran a lot of shows in California and

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they've really established who that differentiated New Japan fan base

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is in the Chicago market, where there is absolutely overlap

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of people who go to AW and New Japan, but

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there are certainly four events in here people who are

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just New Japan fans who I don't think necessarily are

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going to the AW shows. So they've really kind of

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built up their own base here with people, and people

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were very enthusiastic to see it in Japan, especially in

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authentic presentation of the product and not an Americanized version

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of it, where you saw a lot of the same

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crew that they had in Japan that was not typical

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for the other shows that they've had here. They had

481
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,480
the referees from Japan, a lot of the ringside officials,

482
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,680
they have the ring announcers from Japan, and they've always

483
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,880
had kind of a different presentation of it where this

484
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,079
just felt like this was something that was plucked right

485
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,640
out Japan, so I think people are very pleased about that.

486
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,920
What I will too is that people were thought it

487
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,039
was a big deal to come see The g One

488
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,599
despite the attendance not being you know, a sellout in

489
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,440
this arena. But I think there is an opportunity for

490
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:19,839
New Japan to build up some traction again. They need

491
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,839
to continue to build upon these younger stars that they have,

492
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:25,799
and I think that the show exemplified that they do

493
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,640
have a good cast of young people, but you know,

494
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:32,680
they need to tell stories with them, they need to

495
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,160
have excellent booking, and they need to have great matches

496
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,200
to get anywhere near to where they were at one

497
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,240
point in time with some of those stars. I mean,

498
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:46,960
that's that is a tall tall asque, especially money wise,

499
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,759
is that it's going to be really tough to compete

500
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,599
because when people get over that, you know there's AW

501
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,640
or even WWE who's right around the door to snatch

502
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,200
up those talents. But the new band product is unlike

503
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,839
anything else. It's very hard hitting the way they present it,

504
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,359
taking it seriously, but also it's a fun atmosphere that's

505
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,640
very different from the AEW and especially WWE. WWE is

506
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,279
nothing like it where you know, you can hear the

507
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,240
hard slaps here and you can see the sweat flying

508
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:24,279
off of people. It's it's just a whole different experience

509
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,880
see Get in person compared to any of those other shows.

510
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,680
So so I will go down the card here as

511
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:36,720
far as each of these matches. We had Aaron wolf

512
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,640
getting the first win in the B block over hanare Erin.

513
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,039
Wolfe debuted this year and he's been criticized quite a bit.

514
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:46,279
He's had a lot of matches with the House of Torture,

515
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,200
so we've not really been able to see what he's

516
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,160
able to do outside of that context, and I thought

517
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,640
that he did pretty good in this match. So it's

518
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,480
his first in the G one, He's gonna have a

519
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,880
lot of good opponents moving forward. Overall, I think that

520
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,079
every match that they had on this show was good,

521
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,799
and some of them were excellent, but the first four

522
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,519
here were We're just the good category where you know,

523
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,960
nothing ran on for too long, and they kept the

524
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,400
show moving at a good pace. So they did actually

525
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,920
start at seven o'clock and they ended at ten o'clock,

526
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,799
almost like right on the dots. So it is possible

527
00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:28,480
without a lot of fluff in between to do the entrances,

528
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:30,799
get in nine matches and get out of there on

529
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,519
time in three hours. So this was a perfect example

530
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,480
of showing that it can be done while still giving

531
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,799
plenty of time to each of these matches, I mean,

532
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,119
really as much time as they deserved with nine minutes

533
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,160
going into the first match. I'll also mention that the

534
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,519
crowd was really into the idea of Aaron Wolfe where

535
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,440
he's never wrestled in the United States before, but you

536
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,440
can see that there is something there where he's obviously green,

537
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,480
He's got a long ways to go. I think definitely

538
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,880
if he worked on is his physique too, just to

539
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,200
look more legitimate. I mean, he does have kind of

540
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,279
that thicker, you know, tough guy build to him, but

541
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,319
with some more experience, I mean, I think there is

542
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:16,599
something more to Aaron wolf He's not somebody that I

543
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,920
would give up on, and the American audience I think

544
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,640
felt the same here seeing him in his debut. So

545
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:25,839
moving on to the next match, we had Jake Lee

546
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:28,799
defeating Shinko Takagi in the A block.

547
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: Jake Lee is as.

548
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:35,759
Speaker 2: Advertised, he is not very good. He has a very

549
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:40,000
unique body type where he is kind of like more taller, leggy,

550
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,559
still muscular guy, but he plays this gimmick of kind

551
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:48,039
of like a petty wise clown. He does some of

552
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:50,799
the joker stuff, but he's more kind of a I

553
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:54,720
think they call it the silent gesture. So Shingo obviously

554
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,240
has done no favors here. I mean, this was, of

555
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,799
any of them, probably the worst match on the show.

556
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:04,240
I mean, that's that's tough to say when Chino Takagi

557
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:06,319
is involved. I mean, I think Chino did everything that

558
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,559
he could. But Jake Lee, I mean, just as far

559
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:12,119
as like his selling, his moves, it's just not that good.

560
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,519
I mean, it's just not on the level of some

561
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,880
of the other people who are on the roster, where

562
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,640
it just it really stands out that his skill is

563
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,640
not there. And then obviously the gimmick is very irritating,

564
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:31,559
very you know, that kind of influence of North American

565
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:35,680
WWE style into Japan is very much seen with Jake

566
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:39,480
Lee here. So the crowd was of course into Shino.

567
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,160
Good heat for Jake Lee. Jake Lee gets the upset

568
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,839
win where I think it was just like a boot

569
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:45,559
that he gave to Shino, So it was kind of

570
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,519
out of nowhere right around the ten minute mark. Very unexpected.

571
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,039
Not the dramatic stuff that you see, but there are

572
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:54,519
going to be upsets to this tournament.

573
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:55,359
Speaker 3: That's the way that's.

574
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: Booked, and they wanted to do one pretty quickly here

575
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:01,240
into this tournament, So it was pretty shocking. It did

576
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:06,559
get like a strong reaction from the crowd, but in general,

577
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,799
the crowd was really into everything. I wouldn't make that

578
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:14,000
point a few times here of how they There was

579
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:16,519
not as many people there as there have been for

580
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,480
other shows, but ma were they enthusiastic and they really

581
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:22,839
want this product to succeed, and they want to see

582
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,480
New Japan come back and they want to see it grow.

583
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,960
That this crowd definitely would come and see.

584
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,519
Speaker 3: New Japan again.

585
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: That this was not a like, ah man, this promotion

586
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,240
is not hot, We're not going to see this thing again,

587
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,160
or I could have spent my time doing something else

588
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:42,119
that they want to see these new wrestlers really get over.

589
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: You know that last segment you're just listening to and

590
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,759
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Speaker 2: And so I'm going to segue that into the B

605
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:33,319
block match with Oscar defeating Red Durta. So did they

606
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:35,960
have your typical house of torture stuff that you get

607
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,480
with Red Dorita, which was very nice to see, But

608
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:42,079
the crowd was super into Oscar, very much into his

609
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:45,599
gimmick of kind of that like almost like vampire horror

610
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,039
esque entrance that he has, kind of that nose Feratu

611
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,160
kind of feeling with it. Oscar also kind of a

612
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:58,759
unique body type, very tall guy. Just a lot of

613
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,480
good stuff with him. You know, again, not not a

614
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:05,400
tremendous match on the show. None of the first four

615
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:11,160
were blowaway but Oscar is a unique character and the

616
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,880
crowd wants to see him grow into something more with

617
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,960
this promotion, so this was a nice showing here for him.

618
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,920
Then the A bloc you have, you know, Ice defeating

619
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,160
the Great out Cod. You know, Ice has has gotten

620
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,920
a lot of recognition for his gimmick that he has.

621
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,759
The crowd was really into it. They seemed to be

622
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:33,000
very familiar with it, with the let's get hype and

623
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:39,000
and all of that stuff. So I was very impressed

624
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,599
with you know, Ice and the way that the crowd

625
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,799
was reacting to him. You know, just just some more

626
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,720
basic stuff here with Great Outcon. This wasn't set up

627
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:50,720
to be any phenomenal match, but you know, good goods

628
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:55,119
reactions throughout. Next one was where things started to really

629
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,400
kick into the next gear where the B block action

630
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,920
of Zach Saber Junior defeating showed up. So this was

631
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,680
a rematch from Russell Kingdom nineteen. I mean, just anything

632
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,840
with Zach is gonna be awesome, but he, you know,

633
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,360
he just doesn't He's not gotten over to the level

634
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,119
that New Japan is hoping for to the level I

635
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,360
think a lot of people would have thought because s

636
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,800
Ubuno is so good. He is such a really good wrestler.

637
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,039
I know he's had stinkers here and there, but he

638
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,360
oftentimes gets put into these bad spots to where he

639
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,639
is kind of in the middle of the card. Sometimes

640
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:33,800
they have tried to push him as a man inventor before,

641
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,079
but man, he can tell a good story and he

642
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,320
is a good babyface.

643
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: I think one of the things that does.

644
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: Hurt him is is being the son of Red Shoes,

645
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,920
and Red Shoes is such like I be loved person,

646
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,360
so you do have a little bit of that kind

647
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,800
of weird nepotism or a referee and his son is

648
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,159
on this card. I mean they love Red Shoes later

649
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,639
when they came out. So I'm just trying to understand

650
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,920
where things maybe have not gotten off to the right

651
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,159
start for showing Ubneh because he is such a skilled

652
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:03,920
guy and Zach Saber is just such a great opponent

653
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,480
for him, Zach Saber gets the win in this one.

654
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,239
I mean, this is where really it felt like here's

655
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,199
some big stars coming out, and the fans did react

656
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,400
in that way to all the submissions, all the different

657
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,119
stuff that they did.

658
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:20,519
Speaker 3: This match. This was really high level, your typical G

659
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:21,480
One stuff.

660
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,119
Speaker 2: I can't say the same for the next one, which

661
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:29,920
was a bloc action with Hiroki Godo defeating Sonata. The

662
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,239
reality is is that these guys haven't been into Japan

663
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,440
for a long time. Herokic Goto has actually won a

664
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:37,360
g One before, Sonata has been in the main events

665
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,400
holding the IWGP title, So you think that they'd be

666
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,239
super over but they just don't move the same way

667
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,280
that they used to. I mean, this type of style

668
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,199
will beat you up over time, and Sonata has gone

669
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,760
through a lot of injuries to where physically he looks

670
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,599
a lot different. His arms are really skinny, He's had

671
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,320
some neck issues and the issues doing those mood salts,

672
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,880
so you know, he's harder to watch. She's not as

673
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,639
smooth as some of the other guys, and unfortunately his

674
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,639
body has just you know, really taken a beating over time,

675
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,400
and same thing herroky Yodo. It's just really age is

676
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:16,079
a factor in this one. So not a great match

677
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,199
on this card, but I really wasn't expecting it to

678
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,760
be anything huge. Santa came out with wearing this like sombrero,

679
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,920
big hat and that was kind of like this gold reflecting,

680
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:32,039
so he got a big reaction for his entrance into this,

681
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:36,920
so that was a significant piece of it. And then

682
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,679
B block we had an excellent match here with Calum

683
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,400
Numan defeating Ubera, So we'll remember that newman. It was

684
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:46,800
kind of a mystery whether or not he would actually

685
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,800
be a part of this show because he had a

686
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,079
shoulder injury that was holding him out for a little

687
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,719
bit since Damidia that he suffered the match against Yodasuji,

688
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,840
so he did tough it out. That was a big

689
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:04,119
the story here, but has been getting a lot more

690
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,079
talk lately as he should that he is one of

691
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:10,639
the top babyfaces in the next coming years for Japan,

692
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:14,679
that he's been compared to people like Ricky Steamboat, and

693
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,320
I think that people are definitely recognizing that this guy

694
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,960
is going to be a super talent or or is

695
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,280
going to be further up the cards as a bigger

696
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,320
star for them because he is a super talent. So

697
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,880
this was a really good match on the show. This

698
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,039
is where the crowd really was getting into things. So

699
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,599
this was what you'd expect for a g one that

700
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,039
this felt like a big match between two of their

701
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,840
really young future stars, kalab Duben only twenty three. This

702
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:47,119
is the first time I saw him in person. I believe, man,

703
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,960
he is really he is really good. Here's there's some

704
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,119
things about it where he he sometimes with his look,

705
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,360
like maybe his look maybe he just because he's so young,

706
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,880
he can feel like he's a little green.

707
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,679
Speaker 3: But man, his intererig.

708
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,199
Speaker 2: Style is so good. I mean, I don't know how

709
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,679
many people at twenty three years old are as good

710
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:09,920
as Calum Numan is right now. And he's got charisma two.

711
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:13,679
I mean he is just these two guys Yuyah versus Calum,

712
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,119
I mean, two great opponents for each other. So there

713
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:22,719
was really good stuff back and forth between them. The

714
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,599
co made rio hey Wewa defeats only Bolton in the

715
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,920
A Bloc matchup. Ohiwa is the first time I've seen

716
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,159
him in person. I mean, just another example of that.

717
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,239
Dou Japan's got some young talent. They have some people

718
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,559
there and had the booking been in their favor in

719
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,639
previous years where Gato had you know, given them some

720
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,559
wins against some of the stars who have now since left,

721
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,760
I think it really would have done them some good

722
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,239
to start building them maybe a year or two ago,

723
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,239
maybe maybe even further back than that, because now they're

724
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,159
in the position where they have to go with them.

725
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,599
They have to put them in these positions to be

726
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,159
winning these matchups and take them seriously and be able

727
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,840
to draw money and fill up arenas.

728
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: And oi Wa.

729
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: Is definitely He's got his tag team with Zach Saber Junior,

730
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,800
and I mean those guys have been phenomenal in Japan

731
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,159
and now to see oi Wa here, I mean people

732
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,400
were chanting his last name. People were also into only

733
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:27,199
Bolton only also very good. But man Ohia is really

734
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:32,920
showing to be another big future star for Japan. The

735
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,840
main event a block was Yoda Suji, the iw GP

736
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:41,280
heavyweight champion, defeating Kenoski Da Keshaa. As you would imagine,

737
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,239
Takeshina was the biggest star on the show by far,

738
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,599
not even close, and the crowd really wanted to see

739
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,280
him win. They wanted to see him beat Yodasuji. And

740
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,480
I'll tell you that Yoda sug when he came out

741
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,719
did not get the reaction anywhere close to Takeshaa. Takesha

742
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,079
has got all that built up fanfare from b in

743
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:03,480
the United States especially in the Chicago market, and Yoda

744
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,320
Sunji hasn't done a ton of stuff in the US.

745
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,519
I mean he's done some stuff in the Battle of

746
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:13,400
the Valley, but except for maybe the first Windy City

747
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,840
Riot four years ago, Yoda Sunji hasn't been on any

748
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,119
of those shows, so they've not been able to really

749
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,440
establish that bond with him. So didn't give that reaction

750
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,920
coming out of the gate. But as the match started

751
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,079
and people were recognizing, man, we could get a really

752
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,480
awesome match here, because this is again a rematch from

753
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:38,800
Russell Kadum twenty with the exception of Tanahashi's retirement match

754
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,760
against Okada. I mean this was the main event of

755
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,639
that show. I mean they had an awesome, awesome match there,

756
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,880
so we knew that we were going to be in

757
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,480
for a treat. I mean the crowd was so loud,

758
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,880
they were engaged, they were into this, they were stopping

759
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,679
their feet, they were clapping. Also, shout out to Chris Charlton.

760
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,960
I mean Chris Charlton really did a good job of

761
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:00,199
There was times where he would stand up and look

762
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,079
at the crowd and really try and get them going

763
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,119
with clapping, really doing everything that he had it was.

764
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,519
It was cool to see Walker Stewart and Chris Charlton

765
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:12,159
there to be on the call because they've not always

766
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,440
been on the call for the for the US shows here,

767
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:18,199
so again more more legitimacy to this big and authentic

768
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:25,480
New Japan show. Some big spots of blue thunderbobs, but

769
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,039
Yotasuji hitting those three G blasts on Takeshaa, I mean,

770
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,480
very surprising. The crowd was very surprised that Yodasuji bw

771
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:35,559
though he's champion. You would have thought that in the

772
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,599
tournament here that you'd have Takeshaa getting the win, and

773
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,360
that's setting up a future title match between the two,

774
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,400
so you never know, maybe that could be that Takeshaah

775
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:49,239
later wins this tournament. But I would think that uh,

776
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,440
New Japan would be wise to go with somebody like

777
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,039
Yu you were up, would probably be number one. Also

778
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,000
Yo hey Oiwa probably number two for me, and then

779
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:03,639
elm Duman shoutout Ubuno, but he's been up at closer

780
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,280
at the top of the car. So really one of

781
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,760
those other three with Uimura, Ouwa, Calum Duban, I mean,

782
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,639
those are the types that I think really should shine

783
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,880
to this tournament, and they should make a point to

784
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,079
elevate them so that people can get used to seeing

785
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,000
them in the main events, so that they can continue

786
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,360
to draw within the United States and not rely upon

787
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,719
some of the other aw wrestlers who have been a

788
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,840
part of those shows. So after they're the really good

789
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,960
match between them. There was a post match promo from Yodasuji,

790
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,400
so Yosuji was able to do was able to say

791
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,800
some things in English. There really just thanking the crowd,

792
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,599
talking about how hot, how hot it is in Chicago

793
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,039
and how hot it is in in Japan. Uh and

794
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:51,880
you know, fighting through the tournament, so really turning himself

795
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,840
babyface for this crowd who was more skeptical of him

796
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,000
going into it and wanted to get behind Takeshita. Uh,

797
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,360
he really won them over by the end of it.

798
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,199
So crowd was surprised with the with the with the

799
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,400
Yodasugi way, but pretty quickly it was just, you know,

800
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,480
very satisfied with what they saw for the show.

801
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: Uh.

802
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: Again, it was even though it was all block matches,

803
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,119
which is not common for the g and climax.

804
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

805
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: They we everybody was very satisfied overall with the show.

806
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,000
They were into everything. They had different chants throughout, I

807
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,639
mean at times just chanting for the g one just

808
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,320
in general. But what did they give a chance to

809
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:30,159
the younger people that they don't always see? This was

810
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:33,800
a smart audience that follows the new Japan product and

811
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,079
goes to their shows. Like I said, not necessarily just

812
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:41,519
the aw fans who who are confused by some of

813
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:44,360
the other wrestlers if they don't get a promo on

814
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,039
them or somebody talking about them in advance. I mean,

815
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:48,960
they knew who Oscar was, they knew who You de

816
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:53,000
Ice was, Rio, all of these guys, they knew who

817
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:55,920
they were and they wanted to see them succeed in

818
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:56,760
this environment.

819
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,159
Speaker 3: So all of that was a positive of.

820
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: After the show, you know, Yoda Suji kind of did

821
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,280
his walk around the ringside area that got up posed

822
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,360
in front of the stage. People were getting photos and

823
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,079
stuff with with Walker Stewart, Chris Charlton, Rocky Romero was there.

824
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,840
I don't know if if Tanahashi was in the building

825
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,360
at all. He did not appear up here in front

826
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,280
of the crowd, nor did anybody expect him to. Pretty usual,

827
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,159
i'd say, for the for the merchandise line was quite long.

828
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,320
They only had one merch line. There was plenty of

829
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,280
people taking their videos just to show how long it was.

830
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:38,440
What I do know from people is that they did

831
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:42,159
sell out of things pretty quickly that they had, like

832
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:44,920
that towel that they that's typical for the New Japan

833
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,559
events that like sold out almost instantly. There were some

834
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,039
shirts and other merchandise, So it appears that they did

835
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:55,400
not bring enough to satisfy this New Japan audience. So

836
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:58,960
they should have consulted with a e W who in

837
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:03,400
Chicago always always always has the super long lines to

838
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,000
get those event specific items.

839
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,519
Speaker 3: For those types of things.

840
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:13,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, that's really all I have to

841
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,079
say on the event there is that it was a

842
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:20,400
very fun show overall, fun to see the g One climax.

843
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,559
But I think that this is the right formula for

844
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,880
New Japan to continue on rebuilding their brand and continuing

845
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,599
to stay relevant in the United States. Is you have

846
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:35,199
to bring events and build things that are authentic.

847
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,559
Speaker 3: To New Japan.

848
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: That is what people have been calling for for a

849
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:42,440
long time. But the New Japan strong stuff, while it's fine,

850
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,320
people just want to see the stars that they see

851
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,519
in Japan. They just literally want you to take that

852
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:51,199
New Japan show from Japan and PLoP it into the

853
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,639
United States and really not change much of anything. And

854
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,360
that's what people will appreciate, and they will come to

855
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,400
one to see again. And uh, you know, pushing these

856
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,079
pushing these new stars and ensuring that they are set

857
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,800
up in ways that make them feel important telling stories.

858
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:12,639
And then also, of course what people have come to

859
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:15,199
expect from New Japan is they've got to have good matches.

860
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,559
You have to have good matches at AEW has raised

861
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,199
that bar so high, is that on every show you're

862
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,159
going to see, you know, the four star plus matches,

863
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,760
and New Japan has to be able to deliver that that.

864
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,519
I mean, they were, they were the ones in this

865
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:31,360
era of wrestling to to bring that to the forefront.

866
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,159
And somebody in them now are in aw and so

867
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,280
they need to continue to have that as one of

868
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,559
their colleague guards to stay relevant. So uh, that's all

869
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,840
I have on both of these shows. I mean, I

870
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,719
am exhausted. I appreciate you guys listening to this as

871
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,880
I am. As I mentioned before, I'm fighting through a

872
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,159
sinus infection, so it is very difficult to breathe at

873
00:46:55,159 --> 00:47:00,320
this moment in time, So yeah, I look for to

874
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:04,360
talking with Greg. Not this week, but the following week.

875
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,719
We will have a preview show to AW Redemption. Only

876
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,119
update I know now is that I believe it's will

877
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:14,559
O versus Tekla is still the only thing announced for

878
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:18,039
that show. The only other thing they have is a

879
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,159
celebration for the RUG show is being in Montreal, but

880
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:25,320
at this point in time, they need to get a

881
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,000
card together and announce that very soon, so we will

882
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:33,800
preview that in a week's time. So until then, I'm

883
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,880
Joldanal and thank you all for listening.

884
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,480
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885
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890
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893
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 6: Nicki's It's Nicki let me tell you, I'm coming to

894
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,280
your Thursday morning, six point fifty in the morning. Literally,

895
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,679
I woke up, I said, I gotta do Nicky's Club.

896
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:47,320
I gotta do Nikki's Club. And I've been putting it

897
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,519
off all week. Let me tell you why I've been.

898
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 7: Putting it off all week. I had a great week

899
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,039
last week, and we Shawn on the show.

900
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 6: Seemed to be that a lot of people were liking

901
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:59,159
some of the observations.

902
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 7: That I made.

903
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,119
Speaker 6: And then you know, I settled in nestled in to

904
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:04,599
watch for ro all this week, and I didn't really

905
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:06,960
like it. I didn't really not a lot of it

906
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,199
wasn't doing a whole lot for me, and I just said,

907
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,199
I don't really feel like to talk about this this week,

908
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,480
and there's not a whole lot going on and SmackDown.

909
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 7: I'm not a you know, a CM punk versus Cody

910
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:16,760
Rhodes lover.

911
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,559
Speaker 6: Although listen, when I watched that match at SummerSlam, I'm

912
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:20,880
gonna be excited for sure.

913
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not that I can't.

914
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,159
Speaker 6: Appreciate the gravity of it, but I just something and

915
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,599
I had a little conversation with myself. I said, what's

916
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:31,920
going on with you, and I realized I'm just not

917
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,159
a July wrestling baby.

918
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 7: There's a whole lot of July every year that I

919
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,079
don't really fall in love with.

920
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:44,519
Speaker 6: So but as ironic, because as if longtime listeners know that,

921
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:47,639
for my very first podcast here on PW Torch, my

922
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:49,639
favorite wrestling show ever was in July.

923
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,639
Speaker 7: It was fully loaded two thousand. So, you know, I

924
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,920
just thought, you know, I think I'm I think.

925
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 6: With the you know, bringing of SummerSlam back up to

926
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,559
the early August time period which it had been.

927
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 7: You know, like I think of nineteen ninety seven when

928
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:04,440
it was in.

929
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,039
Speaker 6: New Jersey, it was very early in August, but then

930
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,480
they were moving it very late into August, almost bordering

931
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,760
on like, isn't this fallfest at this point?

932
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:15,559
Speaker 7: But you know, we are.

933
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,519
Speaker 6: We've changed it up a little, so the dynamics of

934
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:19,000
the summer have changed, and now we have King of

935
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,199
the Ring back, and you know, I just think where

936
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,840
we're at right now seems to be an odd holding pattern.

937
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 7: But I thought this would be a.

938
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,159
Speaker 6: Good show to actually say, you know, Wade and some

939
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,960
others had really liked my comparison of Austin theory.

940
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:35,559
Speaker 7: Maxine de pre To Shane Douglas and Francine. So I said,

941
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:37,159
you know what, why don't I pick out.

942
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 6: A handful of WWE up and comers and say, who

943
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,039
I think maybe from history they could be booked to,

944
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,559
if not copy, but emulate and be inspired by, and

945
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:50,280
where I would take them in the future. And I

946
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,960
also just want to look at something that's going on

947
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,159
right now, which is the really poor Summer's lamb sales

948
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:56,800
and what I think that means for the two night

949
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,559
shows and how they're booking things all together.

950
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:04,199
Speaker 7: So let me take a sip with you, all right,

951
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,920
we're all nestled. Then Nicky has his coffee. It's not

952
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,760
very good. I got the cheap coffee.

953
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 6: The drop me off at a home goods and I'm

954
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,719
doing damage like it's never pleasant. I go there to

955
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,559
save money and I spend money. So I got this

956
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,960
terrible what is this thing? Krispy Kreme donut coffee? Oh

957
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,239
it's disgusting, but regardless, So summer slam sales way down,

958
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,239
like we're talking in the twenties, right, And here's what

959
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,320
I want to know, when are we going to go

960
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,719
back to arena shows? Like I understand the need for

961
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,760
two night shows. And I understand that there is an

962
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:48,800
obviously inferred major revenue in flux that comes in when

963
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,119
you do these stadium shows.

964
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,599
Speaker 7: But you know, if you had.

965
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:57,599
Speaker 6: Had booked let's say, even Madison Square Garden right for

966
00:51:57,679 --> 00:51:59,920
two nights in a row and sold it out immediately,

967
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:03,480
that's a much bigger story than struggling to get over

968
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:06,000
the finish line with some of these stadiums. And listen,

969
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,320
I know we're talking about major differences in money, but

970
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,320
what about being the hot ticket in town? Like, I

971
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,800
don't think WWE is too far gone at this point

972
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,199
to be able to say we're gonna do some of

973
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:24,519
these shows at the largest named arenas in the country, right,

974
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:28,039
Like when did like doing the Boston Garden and Madison

975
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:30,639
Square Garden or the United Center for.

976
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 7: A big show? Like when was that a problem?

977
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 6: Why does everything have to be a stadium show? I

978
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:40,159
just don't understand it. I, first of all, am tired

979
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:43,320
of the visual. I don't think they look all that

980
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,480
special anymore. I liked when you would do it, even

981
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,800
like I even struggled with doing the once a year

982
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,440
at WrestleMania. I liked every few years when it felt like,

983
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:54,920
oh okay, we're headed to a major, major show. So

984
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,559
as much as it's about the two night thing, for me,

985
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,519
I'm okay, I'll take the tonight. I like a Saturday

986
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,000
wrestling show, and I still like a Sunday wrestling show

987
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:04,519
at times.

988
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 7: My issue is we have to go through all of this.

989
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:14,079
Speaker 6: Now, this this this constant conversation each year of like,

990
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:15,199
what's going on with the tickets?

991
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,079
Speaker 7: What's going on with the tickets?

992
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,679
Speaker 6: As people are exhausted, Honey, they're exhausted, we're tired, and

993
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:20,159
we're broke.

994
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 7: How about that?

995
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,159
Speaker 6: So, yeah, you're right, I'm not spending thousands of dollars

996
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,519
to go sit in the upper decks. Maybe I'm not

997
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,119
doing that, but maybe I am doing that to sit

998
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:34,840
in a bowl of an arena. Maybe maybe I'll do that.

999
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,159
That sounds reasonable, That sounds good for me. Like where

1000
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,920
is that conversation.

1001
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 7: And is it? Is it? Because t KO is so

1002
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:47,800
money cash dependent on these tickets. It's like that we've

1003
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,679
sold everything.

1004
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,599
Speaker 6: We've sold the ring, we've sold, the commercials, we've sold

1005
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,679
basically we're getting it, but we've sold some attire, we've

1006
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,519
we're doing everything, Like give me this back.

1007
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,199
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1008
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:07,559
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1009
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:10,760
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1010
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1011
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:15,000
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00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:18,639
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1014
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1020
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,519
Speaker 7: So that's all.

1021
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 6: I think the card for Summer sam is looking really good,

1022
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,599
probably better than this year's WrestleMania. For me, let me

1023
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:48,400
just give you some quick hits on where I'm thinking

1024
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,719
of some of these these matches are for summerset. I

1025
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,280
I don't know what we're doing with this Hell in

1026
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,480
a Cell with Brock and Ova, Like, I really don't know.

1027
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:01,880
We can't be putting in all this effort of having

1028
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,960
the cell erected and hung and brought down and all

1029
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,199
this stuff for a five minute match, But anything more

1030
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,119
than a ten minute match, it's almost it feels impossible,

1031
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,639
impossible to imagine. And I don't know, there's just something

1032
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:25,159
about the cell and even cages in the open stadium environment,

1033
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:27,400
which I think takes away a lot of their majesty.

1034
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,800
Like when I think of Hell and a Cell back

1035
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,039
in nineteen ninety eight, remember the right after or was

1036
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,440
it before, I guess it was before when they would

1037
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:42,920
do before the Undertaker mankind match back in Cleveland, you know,

1038
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,239
when they would bring that cage up and down during

1039
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,840
raw as like a real.

1040
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,679
Speaker 7: Threat to you know.

1041
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 6: Get I just thought that looked so ominous because it

1042
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:57,159
felt so claustrophobic and intense and everything. When it looks

1043
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,519
like it's in a when it's in a stadium, it

1044
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:00,400
looks like a toy.

1045
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1046
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 6: I don't like this, Like I'm this stadium thing. I'm

1047
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,239
telling you guys, I'm struggling with I'm struggling with it.

1048
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,280
Like I think back to Wrestlvatia twenty when they did

1049
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,519
it at Madison Square Garden, like give me that, give

1050
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:17,760
me that, Like I don't again. I am really really

1051
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,440
not trying to go to a stadium ever again.

1052
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:25,199
Speaker 7: Like I've told you all my stadium experiences, I hate it.

1053
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 6: But you know what, I had a good experience at

1054
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:30,480
Royal Rumble two thousand and eight at Madison Square Garden.

1055
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 7: Love that. I mean, as fans, don't you want to

1056
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:34,960
super serve?

1057
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 6: And how many over the years, no matter what genre

1058
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:42,639
of business you're in, you always hear about the studio

1059
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:46,199
fifty four mentality of keeping people wanting to get the

1060
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,159
hot ticket in town.

1061
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 7: So I think this is a real misopportunity.

1062
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 6: But WWE has almost created So here's what I'll say.

1063
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 7: They've created a situation.

1064
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 6: Where anytime they drop down from stadiums, the conversation is

1065
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,719
gonna go, ah, they're a fail. You hear what they're

1066
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,760
doing there. They've left the stands.

1067
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 7: They can't sell them out. Like why they went all

1068
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:06,800
in on.

1069
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 6: This is really suspect because there's always going to be

1070
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,880
a day when they're not gonna want to be in

1071
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,760
a stadium, They're not going to be able to sell

1072
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,000
tickets or not whatever the what is that was always

1073
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:16,519
going to come.

1074
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,519
Speaker 7: So why did we set ourselves up for that?

1075
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:23,679
Speaker 6: Especially where if you are so dedicated, so so dedicated

1076
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:31,280
to attracting the millionaires, attracting the people with tons of

1077
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:36,800
disposable income that are willing to pay obscene dollars.

1078
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 7: To come see you, then then do that.

1079
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,719
Speaker 6: Do it more in the arenas, do it more in

1080
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,719
the Manhattan Center.

1081
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,519
Speaker 7: Do it I.

1082
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 6: Really really think the W Towe if you're listening, mix

1083
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:51,760
it up, mix up the mix up the format, mix

1084
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:52,480
up the style.

1085
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 7: I think it'll help you.

1086
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 6: Help you in the long run, and I think it's

1087
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,960
you're going to reach that day the time always comes.

1088
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,800
What's that lyric from the news l Ees Girl? Everything

1089
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:07,440
fades away? The stadium shows will indeed one day and

1090
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:11,639
maybe one day soon fade away and go back.

1091
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,159
Speaker 7: To an arena show and.

1092
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 6: Make it look great, bring us back some of the

1093
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,239
more exciting sets, the mattic sets, like what are we

1094
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:18,800
doing here?

1095
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 7: So anyway, so there's that seeking.

1096
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 6: Madison Square Garden. We had a Saturday It's main event

1097
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:27,320
show coming up. Wow, Saturday Night's main event not been

1098
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:31,000
like any You would think there was a time when

1099
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,960
Saturday's main event would have been worth staying home and watching.

1100
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,440
That's not happening anymore. You would think that a Madison

1101
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,079
Square Garden show would be staying worth staying home and watching.

1102
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 7: That's not happening anymore.

1103
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 6: So it almost just feels like, ww we said, it's

1104
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,239
a summer Saturday, what are we doing here? Nobody's gonna

1105
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:52,280
watch this live, so move on. But you know, in

1106
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,360
terms of I do like the old school tag team

1107
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,400
match of you know, Cody Rhodes teaming with Sampunk versus

1108
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,199
Gunther and Sammy seaning like I can kind of get

1109
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:07,320
down with that being of a main event for the

1110
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,079
feeder for Summer Slam in two.

1111
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 7: Weeks that that's fine with me. But it just feels

1112
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,480
like overall, Saturday's.

1113
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:20,559
Speaker 6: Main event has been fully abandoned as any priority of WWE.

1114
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 7: And I'm okay with that.

1115
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,079
Speaker 6: But my question is, how many iterations of Saturday Night's

1116
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,159
an event where this exact situation.

1117
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 7: Happens are we gonna? Are we gonna keep trying?

1118
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:36,039
Speaker 6: Like I know there's a nostalgia with this show. Make

1119
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,400
it a pay per view then, like make it or

1120
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,840
a premium live event. Make it for one of these

1121
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:45,440
random shows that we have. Make that the title of it.

1122
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,039
If we're so in love with the title and the

1123
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,840
font like why do we need to do this quarterly

1124
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,639
special or however often we're having this if nothing really

1125
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:56,599
good is gonna happen and it just becomes a booking

1126
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,119
block for us.

1127
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,199
Speaker 7: So this that do I think?

1128
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,519
Speaker 6: You know, this feels in the spirit of the old

1129
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:07,480
Saturday's main events from the eighties that would again set

1130
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:09,039
up a major show coming up.

1131
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 7: So if a major happening, can you know take place there? Great.

1132
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 6: I think you're gonna see tension between Cody and Punk,

1133
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:21,840
maybe a significant physical altercation, a pull apart, something like

1134
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,320
that that will head us off to SummerSlam.

1135
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,159
Speaker 7: That's whine. They've got a lot of ground to make up.

1136
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:30,360
This is there is and this odd.

1137
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:33,239
Speaker 6: Feeling that we are now rushing to this match as summerset,

1138
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,079
which w TOW has done before. You know, they struggle

1139
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:40,719
with striking the balance of some of these big time matches.

1140
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,119
Speaker 7: You know, do you remember was it WrestleMania.

1141
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 6: I think it was twenty six, Yeah.

1142
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 7: Twenty six went out of nowhere.

1143
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,679
Speaker 6: It felt like we were rushing the the Batista versus

1144
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,719
Scena match when it was like, wait a minute, this,

1145
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,960
why is this not the main event of a big

1146
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,440
show like it always should have been like and now

1147
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,039
it's just like a.

1148
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 7: Mid card thing.

1149
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 6: And another one I remember was it scenea versus Bobby Lashley.

1150
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:09,599
Speaker 7: I forget which show. I want to say it was

1151
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,679
an unforgiven show or one of those things.

1152
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 6: But out of nowhere, like boom, we're rushing that and

1153
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:20,079
it's like, Okay, it feels big, this feels big.

1154
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 7: But there's something, there's like an ingredient missing.

1155
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 6: It's when like your mom makes your favorite dish and

1156
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,800
you take a bite and you're like, Okay, I don't

1157
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,159
know what's not in here, but someone's not in here,

1158
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:34,280
and I feel traces of my favorite versions of this dish,

1159
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,719
but this ain't favorite in So that's that's that's something.

1160
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,239
Speaker 7: That's where we're at with it.

1161
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 6: But again, just not feeling this month at WWA personally.

1162
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,320
Don't get all offended. Don't get offended. It's okay. So anyway,

1163
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:51,840
so last week, as I said, I made this flippant

1164
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,239
comparison when I was on with Sean Plicta about how

1165
01:01:56,119 --> 01:01:58,639
it was really really and I still remain very happy

1166
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:02,400
for Austin theory in that the heel turn of Maxine

1167
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:07,880
Dupres seemed to within seconds inspire a lot of energy

1168
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:13,480
that you couldn't have waited any longer for him to capture.

1169
01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:16,719
I mean suddenly, as I like to say in real life,

1170
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:18,000
and I'm going to bring it to the show, is

1171
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:21,039
the lights were on. His eyes were bright. You could

1172
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:25,480
see there's like an intensity and excitement and happiness behind them.

1173
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:28,440
And I said, oh, it reminds me of Shane Douglas

1174
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,920
and Francine And I still to this moment think that

1175
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,880
that is an active, accurate comparison to make.

1176
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 7: And here's where I would take it. I want to

1177
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:39,920
just be clear.

1178
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 6: WWE for a long time has needed to find the

1179
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,400
balance of you know, acts all over, but in the

1180
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,480
case of the women, find the balance of still having

1181
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,440
individuals that could serve as wrestlers, but also then others

1182
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:56,559
who were just put in.

1183
01:02:56,519 --> 01:02:59,159
Speaker 7: The lane of the valet just put in that vein.

1184
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:01,639
They don't need that.

1185
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,039
Speaker 6: It should be special and novel if those individuals get

1186
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:07,719
in the ring. Think of back to the women of

1187
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the eighties and nineties like.

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Speaker 7: That type, because there's just there's always.

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01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 6: Been male wrestlers in this case who have benefited from

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01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:20,320
having a female valet who wasn't some physical threat who

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01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,079
wasn't going to be in there and challenging for a

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01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,840
women's title. And there's a reason why those wrestlers through

1193
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,599
the eighties and nineties always did well.

1194
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:29,119
Speaker 7: You think back, that's how.

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01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,599
Speaker 6: Sean Michaels really really got started on his solo run,

1196
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:34,719
was having Sherry in his corner. And the fact that

1197
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,199
we've moved away from that means an entire multiple generations

1198
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:42,880
of wrestlers have missed out on the real possibility of

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01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,920
having that one missing ingredient of having a female counterpoint

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,639
to balance out their act from that could then get

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01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:52,280
them over a finish line of success.

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01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,239
Speaker 7: Well, sure enough, you put Austin.

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,639
Speaker 6: Theory with Maxine Dupree, and not only do they visually

1204
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,239
look like Shane and Francine, you think back to where

1205
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:03,679
Shane Douglass was at that point in his career. I mean,

1206
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:07,960
he had been floundering through attempts to get into the

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major organizations.

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01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 7: Sure, he had had early run.

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01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 6: In ECW where he was already the champion, he was married, married,

1210
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:21,079
managed himself by Sherry for a time, but then there

1211
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:24,920
was the failed WWF run as Dean Douglas and all this,

1212
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:27,039
So this was hardly a megastar.

1213
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 7: This was still a man on the come up and

1214
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,400
who really needed that extra edge to play off of.

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01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 6: And in this case it came from having the hot

1216
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:42,840
girl who could take bumps, who was snotty and arrogant

1217
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,800
and looked like the girl you wouldn't want to mess

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,440
with at the beachcomb or in the Jersey shore. Like

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01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:49,840
that was Francine.

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:50,519
Speaker 7: I grew up.

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01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:53,559
Speaker 6: And maybe I've said this before, I knew Franccene. Not literally,

1222
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:57,519
I don't know the actual individual Franccene, but I.

1223
01:04:57,519 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 7: Knew of her like every like she was every girl

1224
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:03,559
in Jersey in the summer.

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01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 6: And that's actually I mean that as a total compliment

1226
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,079
to her. There are times when certainly these wrestlers, you're like,

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01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:14,320
you have captured the essence of this time. In this case,

1228
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,719
we're talking about the nineties that MTV Spring Bay Break generation.

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01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,639
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know that I'm gonna say for Austin

1249
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:32,760
Theory and Maxine Dupre that they can do that. Like,

1250
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,800
I don't know that pop culture and style and everything

1251
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:39,599
on first of all matches what they're doing right now.

1252
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,119
But what does match is the chemistry and the like

1253
01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:47,039
I said, that edge, that tension, the odd sexual tension

1254
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,239
that they have now I think there was always like

1255
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,679
an insinuation that Shane and fran Scene were together physically,

1256
01:06:54,039 --> 01:06:57,079
but I don't know that they that was relied on

1257
01:06:57,159 --> 01:06:59,199
too much. And I don't know that for fran Scene

1258
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,599
in Austin in the to be like, sure they had

1259
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:03,719
their kiss and there are a couple and whatnot. But

1260
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,679
here's my advice and my desire, don't lean into the

1261
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:10,960
couple stuff. I don't want to hear of the tension

1262
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:14,079
between the couple. I don't want to hear too much

1263
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:17,880
other than the passing references of like, okay, they're doing

1264
01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:20,920
you know, they're they're in the probos, like all right,

1265
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,760
now we're gonna go do our thing, and we all

1266
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:23,920
know what the thing means.

1267
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:27,159
Speaker 7: I just think in general, then being.

1268
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,719
Speaker 6: A tough duo act that is geared towards getting to

1269
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,840
the top top of WWE, that's where the energy is.

1270
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:38,719
That's where Austin theory should be, and I think that

1271
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,360
will be an inspiring take. You know, I believe Austin

1272
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,000
theory has a separate, very separate personal life with a

1273
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:45,880
with another.

1274
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,159
Speaker 7: Woman is as I've come to understand it.

1275
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 6: So I don't know that you want to create anything

1276
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:57,079
that makes him uncomfortable on screen. And I think if

1277
01:07:57,079 --> 01:08:01,400
he does have a significant other outside wrestling, like I

1278
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,599
don't know how he'd act and things are going well.

1279
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,599
But again, him having a partner in there and someone

1280
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:09,280
to bounce off of that seems to do well by him.

1281
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 7: But in this case the chains are off, Austin.

1282
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,239
Speaker 6: Now is your time to get out there and really

1283
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,920
really shine and you know, bring back a lot of

1284
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,920
the arrogance and especially the confidence that was lost along

1285
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,239
the way. But there needs to be I think an

1286
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:36,239
investment in him having a signature finisher that feels in

1287
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,159
the and god knows, I don't want another cutter move

1288
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,640
out there, but in the vein of that something that

1289
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,680
feels dangerous can come out of nowhere that after a

1290
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:52,680
move by Maxine of her cheating then immediately can lead

1291
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,399
into him snapping into his finisher.

1292
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,359
Speaker 7: And I think this could take Austin all the way. Now,

1293
01:08:58,359 --> 01:08:59,960
what does all the way mean anymore?

1294
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:04,279
Speaker 6: Well, I certainly don't see him interacting with Romarines, which

1295
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,920
is the shame of having a character like Roman reigns

1296
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,840
at the top when you have other heels you're trying

1297
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,159
to develop and really fast tracked because there's so few.

1298
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 7: Worlds where a Roman reigns.

1299
01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 6: Can operate with people that really don't fit exclusively into

1300
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:23,760
that main event level.

1301
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,159
Speaker 7: Maybe it is early elements. Maybe in the early months.

1302
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 6: Of the Tribal Chief you had some more flexibility there,

1303
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,840
but by the end it was really settling into the

1304
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,039
usual suspects.

1305
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:37,359
Speaker 7: So there's not there but a.

1306
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:45,319
Speaker 6: Very franchise esque Austin theory I think plays extremely well

1307
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:48,119
with the Cody Rhodeses, extremely.

1308
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 7: Well with the CM punks. So maybe it is. Maybe

1309
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:51,560
it is the time.

1310
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 6: I'm not saying push him immediately to the top of

1311
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:55,439
the card, but.

1312
01:09:56,199 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 7: I think there's a path there.

1313
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 6: I genuinely, genuinely you do. Now what does that do

1314
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:03,920
for the path of bron Breaker.

1315
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 7: Now, bron Breaker for.

1316
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,319
Speaker 6: Me has gone in and out, in and out at

1317
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:15,119
times of being the shore fire or not even necessarily.

1318
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,560
But like if I was using my money, who would

1319
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,359
who I would pet money on? And I think we've

1320
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:22,760
suitably passed that time.

1321
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:24,319
Speaker 7: I mean, it's.

1322
01:10:24,079 --> 01:10:27,399
Speaker 6: Pretty wild how much time has gone by. And as

1323
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,720
I said, when you talk about lights on Frost and theory,

1324
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,239
this these most recent two weeks, lights are dimming on

1325
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,960
bron Breaker and you can feel it.

1326
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 7: I mean, we've all.

1327
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 6: Gone through life like this where when things when investment

1328
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,800
in us suddenly seems to diminish, or if we're in

1329
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,439
a work or friendship environment where we're not getting the

1330
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:53,279
recognition or you know, acknowledgment that we.

1331
01:10:53,159 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 7: Thought we would or thought we should.

1332
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, times change, and like your energy changes, and I

1333
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,119
think that that's going on with bron Breaker. Here's what

1334
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:07,159
I'm saying about bron Breaker right now, him looking like

1335
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:08,640
he is.

1336
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:15,319
Speaker 9: The least cool, the least investible, which I think at

1337
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:18,680
times when he's even in there with Logan and Austin

1338
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,720
at this point in the past two.

1339
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 7: Weeks, that even for a flirt is a moment too much.

1340
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 6: So something has got to change and has got to

1341
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:33,039
change immediately, and I think he needs to be separated

1342
01:11:33,079 --> 01:11:37,720
out immediately from the vision. I really think one of

1343
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,359
the long term damage points for bron Breaker was the

1344
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:42,600
fact that he had Paul Hayman walk away from him,

1345
01:11:43,039 --> 01:11:44,319
Like Paul Hayman should.

1346
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 7: Have never walked away for bron Breaker.

1347
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:52,399
Speaker 6: That is not inspiring that to me, like bron Breaker

1348
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,720
should have never at any point if they want him

1349
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:59,960
to be this next megastar, have lost a faith in anybody, anybody.

1350
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:03,479
I mean, watching him and his rise on the main

1351
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,520
roster has certainly not been as painful as watching Carmelo Hayes's,

1352
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:10,319
but it's like, if the result was always the same,

1353
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,560
who really is better off or worse.

1354
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 7: Off at this point?

1355
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 6: Because I leaves with Carmelo in a weird way, He's

1356
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:23,600
so laying under the radar at this point that it's like, oh, shoot,

1357
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:26,840
I forgot I'm even supposed to be thinking this guy

1358
01:12:26,359 --> 01:12:30,600
is nowhere near where he should be. But with bron Breaker,

1359
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,159
it feels like the de elevation has just been significant.

1360
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:36,359
Speaker 7: So what would I do with him?

1361
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,159
Speaker 6: Well, I think at this point I would lose anything

1362
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,760
that is reminiscent of the Steiners at this point, and

1363
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,840
I know, just follow me here, follow me here. So,

1364
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,880
first of all, any wrestler, for whatever reason, with the

1365
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:57,680
Sirens since since Scott Steiner has been like it just

1366
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,600
hasn't worked for I think they did it with Cizarro,

1367
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:02,520
They've definitely they used it with Saturn at one point

1368
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,319
and it's like, yes, it's an immediate eye catcher before.

1369
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:07,039
Speaker 7: Whatever reason, it ain't it.

1370
01:13:07,079 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 6: And I think bron Breaker's theme song after the sirens

1371
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:11,279
is a problem.

1372
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 7: Look at the theme song, is what I'm saying.

1373
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,079
Speaker 6: Don't you don't have to necessarily get rid of the

1374
01:13:17,119 --> 01:13:21,520
siren bit itself, but they rely on that as the

1375
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,600
the ind for the the entrance, and then from there

1376
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,159
the entrance I think goes to hell.

1377
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 7: I always liked when he would when he.

1378
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,520
Speaker 6: I guess as a result of his pairing of Paul Hayman,

1379
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,720
had the e CW for this ECW show.

1380
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 7: Now think about it on the.

1381
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,079
Speaker 6: ECW styling of his name and you know, the logo

1382
01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:41,520
and everything. But I would not be opposed to him

1383
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,439
leaning in on that, but I kind of would lose

1384
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,439
the singlet look it does.

1385
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:46,119
Speaker 7: It calls to.

1386
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 6: Mind his father and his uncle in their in his

1387
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,319
uncle's younger years, and I think, if you want him

1388
01:13:52,319 --> 01:13:54,239
to look big and you want him to be a start,

1389
01:13:54,319 --> 01:13:55,600
maybe put him in the same.

1390
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 7: Kind of trunks that that that Scott.

1391
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 6: Center had later in his career as a way of

1392
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,000
emulating him, but just to change up the look, because

1393
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,800
at this point the bron breaker look is is kind

1394
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,720
of just tattooed in people's minds of Okay, this is

1395
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,319
what he looks like. He's big, but it's kind of

1396
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:18,039
limiting and actually showing off of his physique. Of course,

1397
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:21,000
you keep the spear, but you gotta take the spear

1398
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:24,479
away from everybody else, like Roman Reigns does not need

1399
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:25,279
the spear anymore.

1400
01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 7: Guys.

1401
01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:28,399
Speaker 6: I'm just telling you, if you want to make bron

1402
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,359
Breaker a big, big star, take it that move away

1403
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,239
from the others who just simply.

1404
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 7: Do not need it. I don't want to see Jay

1405
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,279
Usso doing a spear. There's no they have.

1406
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,119
Speaker 6: There's no benefit to them using that move at this

1407
01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:45,399
point when there's a clear benefit to having that moment

1408
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,479
where bron Breaker runs the ropes, like, what are we

1409
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,880
doing here? Where is the money going? The money needs

1410
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,840
to be going on him in some capacity.

1411
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,760
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Speaker 6: So we just had this long blood feud with seth Rolls.

1429
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,520
Did do anything for either No?

1430
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 7: I think it.

1431
01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:03,159
Speaker 6: It normalized seth Rollins in a mid card level in

1432
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:08,239
a way that was hardly inspiring to his character. And

1433
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:11,399
it ultimately was a feud that bron Breaker lost. So

1434
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:16,640
they need to identify someone that bron Breaker can feel

1435
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:22,720
significant against and bap it out till the end where

1436
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,359
bron Breaker in a let's say a two month feud

1437
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:30,119
that is excellent from start to finish that bron Breaker wins.

1438
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 7: So who are some people that that could be. I

1439
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,640
mean put him in with Finn Balor for all I care.

1440
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,039
Speaker 6: I mean, it doesn't have to be someone like way

1441
01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:41,359
way up the card should be someone respected.

1442
01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 7: And I'm using Finn dismissively. I want, I want to

1443
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:44,800
say that.

1444
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 6: But you know, we're seeing how they can move folks

1445
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,319
in and out of the car. Like I love what

1446
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:51,960
they're doing with Gunther and Nick Alvis, Like that is

1447
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:52,600
a plane.

1448
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,239
Speaker 7: That is a player that you brought in that. Wow,

1449
01:16:56,279 --> 01:16:57,359
does that just work?

1450
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 6: And it had been made to work because of all

1451
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:04,840
the years of nick outs not being physical. So we

1452
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:09,239
need to find a comparable person for bron Breaker to

1453
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,920
get in there and absolutely destroy.

1454
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 7: You know, they had that.

1455
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 6: With him and Adam Pierce, but they they like almost

1456
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,159
like stepped away from it and then gave that storyline over.

1457
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,279
But you know, there's no reason why bron Breaker isn't

1458
01:17:24,359 --> 01:17:30,079
the the real looming threat for Roman reigns or you know.

1459
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 7: They they pulled the trigger. It's a shame they.

1460
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 6: Pulled that trigger all the way for Siampunk. But I

1461
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,279
if I were brom here's what I would do with

1462
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:40,880
bron Breaker, And again think I'm crazy and whatnot. I

1463
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,720
would have him set an early promo where he when

1464
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,600
he with a little bit of a new look and

1465
01:17:48,279 --> 01:17:53,000
not trying to just do that high intensity promo at

1466
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,720
all times, calls his shot you know, a long time

1467
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:01,880
out and says, Okay, I left the that's behind me.

1468
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,520
I am still the future, and I'm not gonna talk

1469
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,399
about it. I'm gonna live it every single day. And

1470
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:12,840
you know what, there's another person here who is living

1471
01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:16,960
my past but has the future that I want, and

1472
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,600
that is you, Cody Rhodes. We've come from the same streets,

1473
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,199
We've come from the same family lineage, we come from

1474
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:28,560
the same trajectory. And you know what, I'm tired of

1475
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:34,800
you being the quarterback because I am the quarterback. And

1476
01:18:35,399 --> 01:18:38,880
I might not have you right now, but one day

1477
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,039
I am gonna this or a year from now a

1478
01:18:42,079 --> 01:18:45,680
WrestleMania or whatever I'm telling you right now, I'm gonna.

1479
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 7: Be so in your face and so the star. And

1480
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,439
I don't mean like popular, you know what I mean.

1481
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,439
I am gonna be so the man here that you

1482
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,600
can't avoid me. Now check that and.

1483
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 6: Boom to me if he were to if if you

1484
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,319
then were to establish of, okay, this is the guy

1485
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,039
that the path that I'm gonna go one day, that's

1486
01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:14,199
the future that I want.

1487
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:15,279
Speaker 7: Because otherwise it's just show.

1488
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 6: But what is the future when everyone says, oh, that

1489
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,960
person's the future, that one's a future champion.

1490
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 7: But okay, that all works till it doesn't like it?

1491
01:19:23,119 --> 01:19:24,479
What is the what? Here?

1492
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 6: His?

1493
01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 7: What is?

1494
01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 6: He comes from the old school wrestling background, but he's this, this,

1495
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:40,039
this real athlete who has wants to carry that lineage

1496
01:19:40,079 --> 01:19:41,880
into a path where he's.

1497
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:46,239
Speaker 7: That dominant, dominant babyface or I guess even he know

1498
01:19:46,359 --> 01:19:48,159
in this case champion.

1499
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,119
Speaker 6: So I want that for bron Breaker, and I want

1500
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:52,520
them to literally sit down. I'm not gonna do this

1501
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,880
right now, but sit down. I come up with this

1502
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,520
list of how we get from bron Breaker versus Cody

1503
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,720
versus I do believe is the match to get to.

1504
01:20:04,279 --> 01:20:06,399
And wouldn't it be great if bron Breaker was the

1505
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:09,479
one calling Cody the phonio almost in that Bobby Heenan

1506
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,359
type capacity like he used to do with hal Cogan

1507
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:15,640
along and he's eventually a catalyst a year or whatever

1508
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,279
from now for Cody ros darting Hill and saying, see,

1509
01:20:18,279 --> 01:20:19,960
I told you that that guy's a phony.

1510
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 7: But I'm telling you that to me, in my head

1511
01:20:23,039 --> 01:20:25,359
is the feud for bron Breaker to aspire to be in.

1512
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:26,279
I don't see him.

1513
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 6: I don't get excited or feel naturally moved by the

1514
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,000
possibility of bron Breaker versus Roman Rines, or a bron

1515
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,159
Breaker of course versus Sampunk anymore. Like those days are

1516
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:37,199
quite a bit behind me.

1517
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,199
Speaker 7: A Breaker versus versus Cody Rhodes.

1518
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 6: That works for me again, I'm just giving you notes, guys,

1519
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:44,960
I know what I'm talking about.

1520
01:20:46,079 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 7: Another one I want. We're still in the vision, guys.

1521
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:53,079
Speaker 6: Logan Paul, Logan Paul, they have to make a decision with.

1522
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,560
So there was a realigning of Logan Paul at some

1523
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,159
point to make him more of a uh you know,

1524
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:03,680
it's like, Okay, he's gonna be a little bit more

1525
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,159
every day for us, So now we have to treat

1526
01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:07,720
him a little bit more every day.

1527
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 7: And he's still, in my mind a lot more special

1528
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,600
than that. I don't know much.

1529
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 6: About Logan Poll's like talk show, his radio show or podcast,

1530
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,600
whatever it is. I don't know much about his YouTube personality.

1531
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,720
I know what I see on the screen, and what

1532
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,560
I see on the screen is someone who still maintains

1533
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:31,960
a magnetic personality and magnetic draw for me as a viewer,

1534
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:35,880
and incredible athleticism, and there's a star quality.

1535
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,239
Speaker 7: That is so obvious there. So here's what I would do.

1536
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:41,279
Speaker 6: I would sit down and say, does this man? Is

1537
01:21:41,319 --> 01:21:45,319
this man a future world champion? Because if he is,

1538
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,199
we're off path and this isn't gonna be the type

1539
01:21:49,239 --> 01:21:51,960
of person that we naturally may go through the ebbs

1540
01:21:52,039 --> 01:21:56,760
and flows every day of wrestling and someday eventually becomes

1541
01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:00,560
you know that will he ever be that champion or

1542
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,560
not type guy? This is gonna be someone where if

1543
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,000
you don't keep him engaged, he's I mean, for me,

1544
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:10,840
he's gonna fly away. So I think he should be

1545
01:22:11,239 --> 01:22:14,760
when he comes back from this injury, held back and

1546
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,319
then fast past through and what I mean hell back?

1547
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 7: Is that storyline? Do the storyline.

1548
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,319
Speaker 6: I'm fine with it where everyone knows he's better, but

1549
01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:26,560
he's pretending that he's still injured.

1550
01:22:27,159 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 7: And but I would again maybe separate him out completely

1551
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:34,439
from from the vision if I just do that, Just

1552
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:35,560
do that. I kind of like.

1553
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:40,279
Speaker 6: Him with with Austin and Maxine still looming in the back,

1554
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,880
like that loose association as just you know, their friends

1555
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,880
and they never had a falling out. But I don't

1556
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,640
think you need to be like relying on that too much.

1557
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,840
But so anyway, so he's in the back, and he's

1558
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,239
constantly given promos about when I come back, when I

1559
01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:55,039
come back, But you know he's you can you know

1560
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:57,439
he's better, and like even have like one of the

1561
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:02,399
the the announcers saying, like, listen, this thing looks like

1562
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,000
it's getting worse. What's going on over here? Don't you

1563
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,439
worry about me? Don't you worry about me?

1564
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 7: Suddenly we've had a step back and he's got the

1565
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:09,319
cast and.

1566
01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:12,079
Speaker 6: All that kind of stuff whatever whatever means, or the

1567
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:16,000
heavy mechanical thing on the the the arm, the elbow,

1568
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,760
and then I would have him return in a big

1569
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,119
match in a big way, and I would have him

1570
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:24,359
let's say, let's let me use if he's still a

1571
01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:28,800
babyface at this time. Let's say CM punk go right

1572
01:23:29,119 --> 01:23:32,640
for him interrupting a cmpunk match and hit him in

1573
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:37,600
the head with the arm. The arm casing costs the

1574
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,199
MP punk a significant match. I mean, think of it,

1575
01:23:41,279 --> 01:23:43,520
not necessarily right now, but if it was a match

1576
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,319
like this head Night's main event tag match, So I'm

1577
01:23:46,359 --> 01:23:48,720
not saying he's costing him a title or something like that,

1578
01:23:49,119 --> 01:23:51,920
and then removing the arm and then waving it, waving

1579
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,359
it in his head and I'm back, and it kind

1580
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:59,439
of takes away all of the baggage of the okay,

1581
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,199
just making I'm a standard tag team wrestler, because he's

1582
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:04,720
not a standard tag team wrestler. He's the person who

1583
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:09,000
has the intangible it that everybody says they want. Well,

1584
01:24:09,039 --> 01:24:12,640
he has it, but we're trying to humble him, and

1585
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:13,399
I don't know that.

1586
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:17,119
Speaker 7: This is a business built on humility. So that's what

1587
01:24:17,119 --> 01:24:19,560
I would do with Logan Paul. I think of the

1588
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,039
three Vision guys, you know.

1589
01:24:22,119 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 6: I think it's a race to see who can get

1590
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,479
that title first, and it should be you, should they.

1591
01:24:28,119 --> 01:24:30,520
Speaker 7: I would love for each WWE.

1592
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 6: Booker to take one on as their project as a

1593
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,800
goal of which one can get there faster, and not

1594
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,479
at the detriment of the others. Like I don't want

1595
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,560
them to be sandbagging others, but I think there are

1596
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,399
there is such potential in those three, in particular.

1597
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,239
Speaker 7: Bronson Reid, I could take their leave. He's not He's

1598
01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:50,000
not someone that really does does a whole lot for me.

1599
01:24:50,119 --> 01:24:52,920
I think we're off on Trick Williams.

1600
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 6: By the way, I think that it's clear that we're

1601
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,199
taking a step back a little from Trick. But here's

1602
01:24:58,239 --> 01:24:59,920
what I hate. I hate what they did with the bell.

1603
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,640
I don't like fur in any capacity of my life,

1604
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,840
and I definitely don't like it on a championship bell.

1605
01:25:06,359 --> 01:25:09,840
And I think the things that make Trick cool are

1606
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,199
the things that could make him uncool very very fast.

1607
01:25:13,319 --> 01:25:16,319
Like we know the story about how he became so

1608
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:21,279
reliant to the bookers, at least on the styling.

1609
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 7: Of that white jacket. I don't mind it.

1610
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,199
Speaker 6: I think I think having a set look can only

1611
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:33,640
benefit him with people recognizing who he is, selling merchandise, you.

1612
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,039
Speaker 7: Know, all that that kind of stuff. But I would

1613
01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:37,119
also argue.

1614
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,279
Speaker 6: Leaning too much into the cartoon can bring in cheesy

1615
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:47,880
characteristics of somebody who was designed to be cool, and

1616
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:50,159
it's not look a whole lot.

1617
01:25:50,039 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 7: Cool to me.

1618
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 6: So with Trick, it's time for him to get rid

1619
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,560
of Little YACHTI there's no question about that. I don't

1620
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,640
think I'm setting breaking any any real here, but I

1621
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,560
don't I don't think it's such a bad thing that

1622
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,199
he keeps that association with hip hop and with anybody

1623
01:26:08,199 --> 01:26:11,600
culture like, I wouldn't have a problem if every time

1624
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,800
he made an entrance at a main show there was

1625
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:18,000
a different celebrity that was escorting him down or even better,

1626
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,039
introduced him. I don't need him to walk down with him.

1627
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,000
Just introduced him at some kind.

1628
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 7: Would be very very That would be cool for me.

1629
01:26:26,399 --> 01:26:29,319
I mean, I'm not cool anymore I used to be.

1630
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:34,079
Speaker 6: But if there was whoever the the the performer of

1631
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:39,239
the moment is have them introduce him at WrestleMania, SummerSlam,

1632
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,920
he maybe even Royal Rumble and.

1633
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,119
Speaker 7: Then walk away from it and that that's all you need,

1634
01:26:45,359 --> 01:26:45,720
and that.

1635
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,399
Speaker 6: Could be the stick of like, oh god, this is

1636
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,199
the guy, like he really does have these connections or

1637
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:54,279
they he there's these are real elevated moments.

1638
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,319
Speaker 10: Hey everyone, longtime PW George commist Sean Raddicky here to

1639
01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:03,600
let you know I've rebamped and renewed their Atticant Worldwide

1640
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:08,359
podcast for twenty twenty six, a weekly VIP exclusive. Every week,

1641
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,800
I break down four or five of the biggest trending

1642
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,840
topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis, providing

1643
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,680
insight that helps you understand the story better. Or see

1644
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,800
it another way, then maybe is the controversial takeout there.

1645
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,199
Then I bring on a special guest for the second

1646
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:26,239
half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone

1647
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:28,560
else who works in the business. Other times it's a

1648
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,640
guest analyst who brings their specialized point of view out

1649
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,720
a particular key topic in the news. Recent guests have

1650
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:38,039
included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. One of my

1651
01:27:38,079 --> 01:27:40,800
areas of specialty is the japan wrestling scene, so I

1652
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,920
often cover a big topic from Japan with PW Torture's

1653
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,840
own Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell. I don't

1654
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:49,960
just cover the news. I don't just riff on the

1655
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,279
news or give a standard hot take. I'll bring my

1656
01:27:52,359 --> 01:27:55,119
decades of studying this industry and talking one on one

1657
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:58,680
with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's show so

1658
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,920
you understand not just what's happening, but the context of

1659
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,520
why get ahead of the news, get ahead of the

1660
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:09,359
pack with Radking worldwide only at PW Torch VIP.

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Speaker 6: But I think that that would work for him in general.

1662
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,760
I mean, listen, we're still very very early in the run.

1663
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,840
There's more working for him than answer.

1664
01:28:21,159 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 7: Here's the other thing. He needs a great match. I

1665
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:24,520
really believe that.

1666
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 6: I know it's been said, but this most recent run

1667
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,159
of Premium LIVEE event matches has not been strong for him,

1668
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:32,399
and it doesn't when I see the matches now of

1669
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:33,119
him coming up.

1670
01:28:33,239 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 7: No, I'm not getting excited.

1671
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:38,319
Speaker 6: I'm really really not Carmelo Hayes. So I'm going to

1672
01:28:38,359 --> 01:28:42,119
go to bat for Carmelo Hayes one more time because

1673
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,159
when I think of somebody who truly truly looks the

1674
01:28:46,199 --> 01:28:49,199
part and for me, wrestles the part and is the part,

1675
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:53,800
and it's heartbreaking to watch, like we're there, we are

1676
01:28:54,079 --> 01:28:57,560
a thousand percent there with Carmelo Hayes, and this one

1677
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:02,880
feels like quicksand it feels like a almost near impossibility

1678
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,239
to get him where we want him to be. But

1679
01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:11,079
I'm not giving up hope. So there are limiting factors

1680
01:29:11,119 --> 01:29:14,880
for Krimlis. First of all, he wrestles in many ways

1681
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,520
like a babyface. Yes, there's heel.

1682
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:20,560
Speaker 7: Elements to him, but I think I think he's a heel.

1683
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:25,119
I do, and I think he.

1684
01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 6: Is someone that just needs a stable behind him and

1685
01:29:28,399 --> 01:29:30,920
he I think it always worked with him having Trick

1686
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:31,920
behind him in NXT.

1687
01:29:32,359 --> 01:29:34,239
Speaker 7: But that's that storyline, not.

1688
01:29:34,359 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 6: Dissimilar to what they did with Gargano and Choppa. Of like,

1689
01:29:38,399 --> 01:29:41,319
it went so too far gone in NXT to then

1690
01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:44,439
bring it in any form back. People were developed way

1691
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,079
too much in a way that then that you have them.

1692
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:48,119
Speaker 7: Go back in time.

1693
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,359
Speaker 6: But you know, there's there's no reason, specially with the

1694
01:29:52,359 --> 01:29:55,720
breakup of the Vision. I mean, what's the other one

1695
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,359
Judgment Day barely even existing at this point for me,

1696
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:05,560
definitely not in the men's division. Carmelo Hayes in a

1697
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:09,199
capacity that is designed to elevate him, and I don't

1698
01:30:09,239 --> 01:30:12,560
want schlubs behind him, like I want.

1699
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 7: A good cast of characters. I'm gonna come back in.

1700
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 6: A week or so with with when I like, with

1701
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,079
this intentional lens put behind him. But the man that

1702
01:30:21,119 --> 01:30:24,439
should be king is gonna need to bring his own

1703
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,199
build his own kingdom, and I want them to, by

1704
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:30,079
the way, lose any sense that he has been a

1705
01:30:30,079 --> 01:30:35,600
disappointment has been like, just write it off that he

1706
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,920
didn't live up to first draft pick.

1707
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:39,520
Speaker 7: And all all that kind of stuff.

1708
01:30:40,319 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 6: Get him to interact positively with the real stars.

1709
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,119
Speaker 7: Now, you know, I keep dropping the same names here

1710
01:30:47,159 --> 01:30:49,319
but that's not who I'm talking about.

1711
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:55,159
Speaker 6: Have him interacting with a guns, have him interrupting and interacting,

1712
01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:58,279
I say, interrupting, interacting with the Becky's and.

1713
01:30:58,239 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 7: The Charlottes and others like.

1714
01:31:00,199 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 6: Get him around other people that are well known, well established,

1715
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:11,239
and feels like he's in a conversation. Then little by little,

1716
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:18,439
build build, build build him, give him wins. Don't lose

1717
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:23,600
any aspect of this man. Hasn't hasn't done what we

1718
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,279
need him too. Heck, you can say he's a pass

1719
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,720
United States Champion, but don't even revisit that run too much.

1720
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:35,119
Time to go back to the elements of the dropping

1721
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,359
of the jerseys and all.

1722
01:31:37,239 --> 01:31:38,039
Speaker 7: That kind of stuff.

1723
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:42,079
Speaker 6: Give this man a good run more so than that,

1724
01:31:42,359 --> 01:31:44,319
give him somebody in the back who believes in him.

1725
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,079
That is what's missing with this guy. You can see

1726
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:54,039
the confidence just leaving every which way. So anyway, he's

1727
01:31:54,119 --> 01:31:55,920
one that I am.

1728
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,359
Speaker 7: Personally, personally most polling for.

1729
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,399
Speaker 6: And we're obviously focusing on the men's division today and

1730
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:02,000
then the last time I'm gonna talk about I want

1731
01:32:02,039 --> 01:32:05,520
to talk about Penta and Dominic. So Penta obviously, with

1732
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:09,800
Dominic there's the triple A and the components there. But

1733
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,359
these are just by the way, I'm just focusing on

1734
01:32:11,399 --> 01:32:14,880
some of my favorites. I'll do more and that are

1735
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,399
other of my favorites. But these are just the ones

1736
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:17,840
that came to mind this morning that I was just

1737
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,840
thinking about. Where again, someone else we're talking about being

1738
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,840
normalized a bit too much and being stagnant is Dominic.

1739
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,720
So what are what is left to do with Dominic?

1740
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 7: Well? I think a lot.

1741
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 6: You know what, You've been focusing a lot of Gino

1742
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,159
Hernandez lately. I mean, boy, if there's not a day

1743
01:32:35,359 --> 01:32:38,079
when there is super super money in a head shaving

1744
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:42,000
match with Dominic, I mean to me, that seems like

1745
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:44,560
one that would be or even a mustache shaving. Oh

1746
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,199
my god, oh my god, would that not be good

1747
01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:50,439
to then see that slappable face looking at you with

1748
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:55,479
the mullet. Ah. Fantastic, fantastic. But Donald, they get too

1749
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,119
much in the cartoon. It's time to shift gears with

1750
01:32:58,279 --> 01:33:02,840
Dominic and it's time for him to go from the

1751
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:06,680
comedy younger guy. He's not a young kid anymore, guys.

1752
01:33:07,079 --> 01:33:11,279
He time has certainly passed us by. It is time

1753
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,960
for him to be seen as more dangerous and you know,

1754
01:33:14,079 --> 01:33:16,840
other think about it, He's not someone who's terrible to

1755
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:18,800
pair necessarily with a Carmelo Hayes.

1756
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,279
Speaker 7: In terms of personalities. It's just friends again, Like this

1757
01:33:22,319 --> 01:33:25,520
is a quality that has been so lost in having people.

1758
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:29,199
Speaker 6: That just interact and elevate each other without being so

1759
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:32,399
explicitly storyline linked together.

1760
01:33:33,319 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 7: But with Dominic, do.

1761
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 6: That do the twist where he is, you know, a

1762
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,760
bit more serious, a bit more dangerous, and give him

1763
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:43,119
some legitimate wins.

1764
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 7: And I know he's still just always be Dominic.

1765
01:33:46,359 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 6: But guess what, Eddie was always still Eddie, even when

1766
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,760
he was still he was winning world titles.

1767
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:56,079
Speaker 7: There's there's pivots that certainly can can be taken there.

1768
01:33:56,600 --> 01:34:00,159
Speaker 6: And I actually think with Dominic it's the babyface n

1769
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:02,239
that's going to get him eventually to the world title,

1770
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,880
not dissimilar to Eddie Guerrero. And I think at some

1771
01:34:06,119 --> 01:34:10,800
point WW should map out within the year to try

1772
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,159
that run. I don't think he's a permanent heel. I

1773
01:34:14,199 --> 01:34:17,600
think there is such an appreciation for his healed them

1774
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,680
that when he turns babyface and makes that real, real

1775
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:24,880
run for the championships, there's a lot there to work

1776
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:28,159
with especially listen, if you have a heel seem punk

1777
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,800
you it is going to be so difficult to find

1778
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,039
babyfaces to go up against him that the fans I

1779
01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:36,560
think would be excited to see.

1780
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 7: I mean, in.

1781
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 6: Many ways, you must inherently expect them to cheer see

1782
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:41,600
him punk.

1783
01:34:41,359 --> 01:34:43,199
Speaker 7: Even as a heel, because they're just they'll be.

1784
01:34:43,079 --> 01:34:46,119
Speaker 6: So happy that of who he is and that he's

1785
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:48,600
in this character that people have been kind of dying

1786
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,960
to see that I think a babyface dominic in there.

1787
01:34:53,159 --> 01:34:54,600
Speaker 7: Kind of an interesting contrast.

1788
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,520
Speaker 6: Guys, don't think I'm crazy. I know it's early and

1789
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:00,920
I didn't have enough coffee yet. And then Penta, so guy, Penta.

1790
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,239
You know, it's funny when they announced Penta versus Chad

1791
01:35:05,279 --> 01:35:07,640
Gable versus Summer sentiment, that's so good. That's gonna be

1792
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:10,159
such a good match. I'm glad they're glad that these

1793
01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:12,279
guys were getting that moment. And then I stopped and thought,

1794
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,000
you know, but this is where we're just at with them,

1795
01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:18,119
like we need to at some point a decision needs

1796
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:20,520
he made for Pensa to keep him out of just

1797
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,680
being like so we've decided he's not the typical luchador.

1798
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,479
So he's elevated beyond where we've seen so many come before.

1799
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:31,479
But there's also this cap it feels like that now

1800
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,600
we're at where it's like, does it really get any

1801
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,079
higher than it is right now? And if we want

1802
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:40,279
it to be higher, a legitimate storyline that doesn't just

1803
01:35:40,359 --> 01:35:43,239
involve does he get his master removed or not needs

1804
01:35:43,279 --> 01:35:45,159
to significantly come into play.

1805
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,079
Speaker 7: And again, I so what.

1806
01:35:48,039 --> 01:35:51,359
Speaker 6: I want for Penta is just a storyline, just something

1807
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:52,680
that isn't.

1808
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,119
Speaker 7: Isn't hokey, that isn't soap opra.

1809
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,319
Speaker 6: E, but a person that again, when I would, like

1810
01:35:58,359 --> 01:36:03,359
what I said with a bron breaker, someone that becomes

1811
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,920
his long distance rival. And like, so when I think

1812
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:09,239
of Penda, is it is it a future I can know?

1813
01:36:09,359 --> 01:36:12,079
Speaker 7: A future, real, real good run with Gunther?

1814
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:15,159
Speaker 6: I mean that's to me like jumps off the pages,

1815
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:18,399
like a match that that would be special for me.

1816
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,319
Speaker 7: But heck again, Pensa versus versus Rhodes.

1817
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:27,319
Speaker 6: At one point that really works for me, Penca versus again,

1818
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,760
a babyface Penta versus A. He'll see him punk my God,

1819
01:36:31,079 --> 01:36:34,239
give it to me. But I would get him, get

1820
01:36:34,279 --> 01:36:36,840
him in there, get him in there, guys.

1821
01:36:37,359 --> 01:36:39,359
Speaker 7: So that's just what my thoughts.

1822
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 6: I think overall, what I'm really trying to say is

1823
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,960
with these a lot of these young guys they say young,

1824
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:47,520
maybe not age, young, inexperience and whatnot, there's a level

1825
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,159
of protection and care that just needs to start being

1826
01:36:50,399 --> 01:36:53,479
Like I would hire somebody at this point or have

1827
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,520
somebody whose designated role is once we get through the show,

1828
01:36:58,199 --> 01:37:00,319
how can we what extra steps can we you do?

1829
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:02,239
But we've written the show, but before we put it

1830
01:37:02,279 --> 01:37:04,479
on a screen, what extra steps can we do to

1831
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:06,560
protect this person and make sure it's getting to.

1832
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:10,039
Speaker 7: Where we're going? Listen. I don't watch Unreal, but I

1833
01:37:11,079 --> 01:37:15,199
for sure do not believe that is actively happening. So listen.

1834
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:17,479
I hope you enjoyed this. I kind of enjoyed this,

1835
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:19,479
but I love you guys.

1836
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:22,079
Speaker 6: Have a great week back next week so you get

1837
01:37:22,119 --> 01:37:24,079
closer and closer to the SummerSlam. Let's see how these

1838
01:37:24,119 --> 01:37:27,840
ticket sales and everything go. Is the enthusiasm for WWE

1839
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,000
getting stronger? I don't think so. So let's see how

1840
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:35,000
ww handles that. All Right, Nikki's take care of yourselves.

1841
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:35,079
Speaker 7: And each other.

1842
01:37:35,279 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 6: La Coda and I are going to wake up get moving,

1843
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,560
get to the gym, and get on with our lives.

1844
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:40,319
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1845
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:54,640
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