Speaker 1: Welcome to dorky Out. My name is Sonya Mansfield and
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Speaker 1: of Dorkying Out, Margot d Hello, my.
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Speaker 1: all are. We are dorkying out about nineteen eighty six's Hoosiers.
Speaker 1: Of course. It stars Gene Hackman and Rip Rip we
Speaker 1: gotta pay our respects and Dennis Hopper so you know,
Speaker 1: also Rip all.
Speaker 2: Right pay and one of the cast members one of
Speaker 2: the boys I'll tell you about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get into that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I guess i'll just say the other cast too, Uh,
Speaker 1: Barbara Hershey, whom I love so happy day.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great and she's so good in this part.
Speaker 1: It's directed by David Anspaw and Ansbach Ansbach and written
Speaker 1: by Angelo Pizzo. Sure sure it's not pizza, It's Pizzo Pizza.
Speaker 1: Did you see Who'siers in the theater?
Speaker 2: No? My story is I saw it on a flight
Speaker 2: from SF to Hawaii and it's a great plane watch
Speaker 2: by the way like you could see that. But this
Speaker 2: is back when you know, they had the screens on
Speaker 2: at the end, like you watched that, you had nothing else.
Speaker 1: That's how I saw Hills, right, So we've so.
Speaker 2: I'm watching it and people by the end of it,
Speaker 2: like at the last shot, you know, people burst into
Speaker 2: applause on the plane, which I've never never happened before.
Speaker 2: And I've like loved this movie ever since. I was
Speaker 2: completely I feel like they screwed up the marketing with
Speaker 2: this movie, yeah, because they released it November of eighty six,
Speaker 2: but they opened it because I watched I don't know
Speaker 2: if you watched the Cisco At Ebert review.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I read Ebert's review, though.
Speaker 2: Ciskel thought it was just man because he was wrong
Speaker 2: about a lot of shit.
Speaker 1: He was wrong pretty often. I tend to be more
Speaker 1: more of an Ebert.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more aligned with Ebert, and that's.
Speaker 1: Not a wrong sometimes too, but oh yeah, he likes
Speaker 1: Speed too famously like Speed too.
Speaker 2: But anyway, what was I saying?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forget marketing.
Speaker 2: Right, they released it, sorry, thank you? So Ebert said
Speaker 2: they released it in November of eighty five or eighty six.
Speaker 2: They released it only in Indiana, and then they were
Speaker 2: going to wait till after January to release it nationwide.
Speaker 2: Go to New York, LA, and then release the nationwide,
Speaker 2: which is stupid. This would be a perfect move to
Speaker 2: see at Christmas time, Like, yeah, it's for families.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a super crowd pleaser. I don't understand why
Speaker 1: they didn't know what they had.
Speaker 2: I don't get it either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gene Hackman also apparently didn't know what he had
Speaker 1: on this movie, and he was like kind of rude
Speaker 1: to the director.
Speaker 2: Oh, he was a pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: Like a real grouch on the set, and I don't
Speaker 1: think he ever, like really really apologized for like a
Speaker 1: lot of the way he acted on the set. But like,
Speaker 1: I'm on, it's such a good movie and he is
Speaker 1: so good in it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot that's taken out, so I've I guess
Speaker 2: normally we don't go into the plot and everything will
Speaker 2: just kind of jump round, I guess. But yeah, the
Speaker 2: movie the original cut was three hours, and they were
Speaker 2: told it's got to be under two. So there was
Speaker 2: a lot of the relationship between Gene Hackman and Barbara
Speaker 2: Hershey and a couple of the other boys that the
Speaker 2: stuff that about their characters that didn't make it. And
Speaker 2: but apparently that Hackman was so unhappy filling this movie
Speaker 2: like only thirty nine days. And it's like, what are
Speaker 2: you bitching about, dude? But anyway, because he's from Indiana,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, just it's okay, dude, it's thirty nine days.
Speaker 1: You could do anything for thirty nine days.
Speaker 2: Try to live in my life, dude. It's but anyway,
Speaker 2: they needed him to come back to do some dubbing
Speaker 2: in La and he said, well, you have to send
Speaker 2: me a rough cut first. I need to see it
Speaker 2: because he's convinced it was garbage. And then he came
Speaker 2: the next day to record and he went wrent up
Speaker 2: to the director and said, how the fuck did you
Speaker 2: make that happen? Because he had no idea how good
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I mean maybe it wasn't on the page.
Speaker 1: I would love to see some of the scenes they
Speaker 1: cut out.
Speaker 2: It's on YouTube, so go, yeah, definitely check it out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I've been doing for like an hour now.
Speaker 1: Deleted scenes. And I would love documentaries the extra stuff
Speaker 1: with him and Barbara Hershey because I guess. The relationship
Speaker 1: is really really sweet and really well done in this movie,
Speaker 1: but I would have loved maybe like one more scene.
Speaker 2: I think they needed a couple more scenes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But I still really really liked this movie
Speaker 1: and I saw it absolutely. I saw it in the
Speaker 1: theater when it first came out. I saw your mom, Yes,
Speaker 1: definitely with my mom. And then I saw it like
Speaker 1: one more time maybe on TV, you know, TBS or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it was definitely like a crowd pleaser, and I
Speaker 1: liked it watching it again. Now the movie hits me
Speaker 1: in a different way. And we talked about this off
Speaker 1: mic right before we hit record, was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the barber Hershey character is like our age now, so.
Speaker 2: Right, we were relate to the teenagers then.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and now we relate to the adults. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've seen more, I've learned more. And
Speaker 1: the idea of these like armchair coaches, yes, that parents
Speaker 1: can be We saw it and we just did remember
Speaker 1: the Titans a couple of weeks ago. It's also that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. But you can, like I could go
Speaker 1: to a softball game right now and watch my niece play,
Speaker 1: and there are parents there that think they know better.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Yeah, hockey dad is a thing.
Speaker 1: Hockey dad, soccer moms or you know, are a thing
Speaker 1: where people, especially soccer for so strange reason, like parents
Speaker 1: lose their shit. Yeah, like get into brawls with people
Speaker 1: over that. So some of the things that are going
Speaker 1: on in this movie, yeah, ring true to me in
Speaker 1: a way that at the time I was like, dude, whatever,
Speaker 1: it's like high school sports. People don't care that much, dude,
Speaker 1: they do they super gar?
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. And I've been through Indiana. I had friends
Speaker 2: that got married in Chicago when you and I hung
Speaker 2: out in Chicago. Yes, I remember, And we drove through
Speaker 2: Indiana to go up there. And it is different in
Speaker 2: Indiana than it is in Illinois. It's got its own
Speaker 2: kind of flava. But I was saying to you off
Speaker 2: the air, just for really wait, I was like, I
Speaker 2: this time, I totally was paying attention to Barber. Her
Speaker 2: she's character because she's more my age, and I was like,
Speaker 2: get it, girl, He's cute, he's been places. He's been
Speaker 2: places too, like she traveled outside, so she has like
Speaker 2: a taste of what it's like not there.
Speaker 1: He's cute, he's from out of town. Come on, he's tall, tall,
Speaker 1: he looks like Gene Hackman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's funny, but he's not grouchy. He's fun Yeah.
Speaker 1: But these I think, you know, I live in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: You live in Brooklyn, Like it's easy to forget that
Speaker 1: a lot of other towns, cities, whole other states, y'all
Speaker 1: don't have their own Like they don't have national their
Speaker 1: own team, or their own.
Speaker 2: Right right, their own.
Speaker 1: Baseball team, right right, right, yeah right, And so they
Speaker 1: do soup that these are their opportunities to like see
Speaker 1: live sports, and of course they care. It's like, you know, gee, son,
Speaker 1: you look outside your bubble and you realize that, like
Speaker 1: that's why people super care. And for some people it's
Speaker 1: their ticket out of their town too. If they do that, well,
Speaker 1: they could get a scholarship and you know, go like
Speaker 1: actually leave this tiny little And when I.
Speaker 2: Was a kid, I couldn't understand that. Really, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: you go to college, what's the big deal. As an adult,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's your opportunity, Like, yes, get the fuck
Speaker 2: out of here, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's there's just all these The sports aspect
Speaker 1: of the movie is very well done, and there's a
Speaker 1: reason why sports writers are always like. Hoosiers is one
Speaker 1: of the best basketball movies, and it's it's held in
Speaker 1: very high regard. But there's all these different smaller things
Speaker 1: in the movie that I just never picked up on before.
Speaker 1: One is the relationship between between Gene Hackman and Barbara Hershey.
Speaker 1: Like she is very like standoffish with him because and
Speaker 1: she says, I've seen people like you before, right, she
Speaker 1: you know, they exchange words, and she asks him a
Speaker 1: lot of questions and he gets you know.
Speaker 2: Much like Zarena and Anthony and Bellow Tick down Under
Speaker 2: when he showed up and she started interviewing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yes, yeah, Like she's like, you know, do you
Speaker 1: have any experience teaching? And he's like, bitch, I already
Speaker 1: have a job. But right, he doesn't say it like that,
Speaker 1: but you know, so they don't they don't really get
Speaker 1: off on the right foot. And but there's also how
Speaker 1: he interacts with the Dennis Hopper character is like really
Speaker 1: really sweet and the way it's done is very subtle
Speaker 1: and not how you would see this in another movie.
Speaker 1: Because Dennis Hopper is playing the father of one of
Speaker 1: the players and he's an alcoholic. He has a substance
Speaker 1: of his problem. And you know, back in the day,
Speaker 1: like he was this movie set in the fifties. He's
Speaker 1: the town drunk basically, right, Like, you know, he shows
Speaker 1: up and everyone's like, oh, here comes you know. His
Speaker 1: nickname is Shooter, Like here comes Shooter, and you know
Speaker 1: he's the town drunk. But like he does know a
Speaker 1: lot about basketball and how Gene Hackman like approaches him
Speaker 1: and and he's very gentle about like, I would love
Speaker 1: for you to like be my assistant coach, but you
Speaker 1: have to clean up and yeah, you know, and he
Speaker 1: starts with like you need to shave and you need
Speaker 1: to wear suit.
Speaker 2: He's okay with projects, yes.
Speaker 1: And he's like, and you need to not drink. And
Speaker 1: he's like, oh that party, you know, And he clearly
Speaker 1: thinks about it. And but he the way he approaches
Speaker 1: it is like not Judgie at all. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you want to do this, here's what I need
Speaker 1: you to do. But if you can't do those things,
Speaker 1: peace be with you, basically, right, you know. And he
Speaker 1: he he's not shitty about.
Speaker 2: It, No, he's very understanding. Yeah, and uh and and
Speaker 2: Dennis Hopper has a son that's on the team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that adds another layer of like, okay, because dad's
Speaker 2: the fuck up. He's always he's always he's an alcoholic,
Speaker 2: he's always drunk, and he lives in the shack. He's
Speaker 2: so but that's his dad at the same time, and
Speaker 2: he wants him to figure it out and turn his
Speaker 2: life around. Here's how's so much an eighteen year old
Speaker 2: can understand too totally and like.
Speaker 1: Right, there's you know. The whole thing is like, so
Speaker 1: he does get sober, and so for a while, like
Speaker 1: he sees his old dad again and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, and like his dad is on the sidelines
Speaker 1: and he's coaching, and he's smart. He is really smart,
Speaker 1: and he's clearly got a good sense of humor and
Speaker 1: like he seems like a lovely human. And then you know,
Speaker 1: he falls off the wagon and again, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's so this poor kid. It's like he had his
Speaker 1: dad back and now he's gone again. Right now, as
Speaker 1: an adult, I can see this and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: And you also know what happens. Yes, it is a
Speaker 2: part of it. Unfortunately, you do fall a few times
Speaker 2: before a lot of people do. They fall off the
Speaker 2: wagon before they figure it out again. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: alcohols grip on people, y'all. It's it's not easy.
Speaker 1: No, it is not no, but it's it's just such
Speaker 1: a good movie.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: I texted you when I was watching it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I love this movie, like I just love it, like
Speaker 1: I I we'll just we'll go through it, like he
Speaker 1: it's nineteen fifty one. It's you know, a little town
Speaker 1: in Indiana. It's Hickory is the name of the town.
Speaker 1: And like Gene Hackman has been through some shit. We
Speaker 1: don't know what happened for a little while because there
Speaker 1: is no Google machine to just like you know, people
Speaker 1: don't just like google.
Speaker 2: It or microfiche at the library.
Speaker 1: There's no microfiche.
Speaker 2: For people.
Speaker 1: So he just showed up, and like Barbara her, she
Speaker 1: figures him out pretty quickly, and that somebody like him
Speaker 1: is either like hiding from something.
Speaker 2: Or he's rebuilding his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or he's rebuilding. And she's not quite sure which
Speaker 1: one it is, and it turns out it's both. And
Speaker 1: she's pretty defensive, and she's very protective of a specific
Speaker 1: kid named Jimmy, who is like a basketball whizz kid
Speaker 1: like a savant. He's like insanely good at kid. By
Speaker 1: the way, I was like, does Jimmy ever talk in
Speaker 1: this movie? And I looked it up. Kid has four lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's like a big presence in the field
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: He does a really really good job. The actor is
Speaker 1: marn Maris Valinous. I think, I don't know, and he
Speaker 1: does have he's really tall, he's very cute. They're all
Speaker 1: cute and really cute. But he has a very strong presence.
Speaker 1: He has like four lines in the movie. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he is very good at basketball. They show him shooting
Speaker 1: hoops all the time. He rarely talks, and she's very
Speaker 1: protective of him at he's like his both his parents
Speaker 1: are dead. I think, yeah, And she's like, hey, maybe
Speaker 1: basketball isn't your way out of town. You should try
Speaker 1: to get into a good college with academics. So she's
Speaker 1: kind of pushing him in a different nudging him. Let's
Speaker 1: say that in a different.
Speaker 2: Direction, because we should be fair to her. I mean,
Speaker 2: the odds are astronomical. Yes, you have to have some
Speaker 2: respect for professional ballplayers, whatever the sport is, because they
Speaker 2: are overcoming a lot of odds. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 2: not easy.
Speaker 1: And they're taking a chance like you're gambling, like really,
Speaker 1: because the chances of making getting a college scholarship or
Speaker 1: that's not great odds. The idea that you would play
Speaker 1: professionally is even.
Speaker 2: Worse, more remote, I mean, just and then.
Speaker 1: To be successful at it, like your unicorn, right, you know,
Speaker 1: so she is, she's smart. She's trying to push because
Speaker 1: she was able to leave town based on you know,
Speaker 1: her academics and was able to you know, get out
Speaker 1: and see other things. She came back because her father
Speaker 1: died and her mother was sick, and her mother is great.
Speaker 1: It's uh. I love the scene where the mom runs
Speaker 1: into Gene Hackman and invites him over for dinner, like
Speaker 1: and it turns out that she just super loves basketball because.
Speaker 2: Right, she's a basketball freak, yes, And I really like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's very cute.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: So he chats with the principal. The principle is like
Speaker 1: his old friend, and there is this vague like your
Speaker 1: slate is clean here, and again we don't know like
Speaker 1: what he's they did, right, And he goes to like
Speaker 1: a meet and greet that's at a like barber shop
Speaker 1: or something, and it's all men, of course, and it's
Speaker 1: all these dads and other men who just live in
Speaker 1: the town and they just have strong opinions about how
Speaker 1: basketball is played there, and very strong opinions about making
Speaker 1: Jimmy rejoin the team. And yeah, they just want an
Speaker 1: armchair coach. Basically, they're very obnoxious about it, to tell
Speaker 1: you the truth. And one of them is the guy
Speaker 1: from a major league. Oh god, right to me, he's
Speaker 1: always that like grouchy old picture that is so shitty
Speaker 1: to Charlie Sheen and major league.
Speaker 2: He's a character at a bunch of.
Speaker 1: Stuff, and he's very good at playing those kinds of parts.
Speaker 2: You know, like the douchebags.
Speaker 1: He's a total yeah, douchebag guy like who maybe redeems
Speaker 1: himself a little bit at the end, but yeah, he
Speaker 1: plays a douchebag. But Gene Hackman tells them all like, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you mind your business? Then let me take
Speaker 1: care of this. He has his first practice and the
Speaker 1: kids are some of them are shitty, some of them
Speaker 1: are great. We meet one that's named Ali. Ali's so
Speaker 1: cute you could just put him in your pocket.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I think some of the people call him Big Ali.
Speaker 1: Poor Ali.
Speaker 2: He's like a spudweed sized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably he's probably like five six yeah, and
Speaker 1: everyone else is like six foot or taller.
Speaker 2: Hey, Prince played basketball, and apparently he was really fucking
Speaker 2: good at it.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what we learned from the Chappelle Show. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: according to Charlie Murphy. Charlie Murphy, Prince could really ball,
Speaker 1: so go go Allie, and he just really he tries
Speaker 1: to break them down and build them back up. It's
Speaker 1: a tale is old at time for sports movies. Basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we meet Dennis Hopper at one point as the town drunk,
Speaker 1: also the father of one of the players they meet.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of scenes where like Gene Hackman meets
Speaker 1: with Jimmy and again Jimmy never talks. It's shooting baskets
Speaker 1: the whole time, and Gene Hackman does all the talking.
Speaker 1: What's the other thing that happens, Oh, this scene is
Speaker 1: so frustrating. There's like a rally, like a pep rally
Speaker 1: at school and he brings the team out and the
Speaker 1: team just or the school just starts chanting like we
Speaker 1: want Jimmy.
Speaker 2: You know. It's so rude, it's so dude, you're not
Speaker 2: good enough for us.
Speaker 1: We want Jimmy.
Speaker 2: We have almost four hundred students in this school. We're
Speaker 2: a big deal.
Speaker 1: Like poor that poor team. And he gives them like
Speaker 1: a real you know, he gives them the whole Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you support who we are, not who we aren't.
Speaker 1: These boys have made the choice to put in the
Speaker 1: work and you know this is your team. And there
Speaker 1: and then it's like crickets tumbleweeds blow through. They're like, eah,
Speaker 1: they play their first game, it doesn't go well. They
Speaker 1: you know, we get a lot of angry dads on
Speaker 1: the sideline going on, you know, barging in during halftime,
Speaker 1: thinking they know best. It's so shitty, And I don't know.
Speaker 1: He just keeps doing what he's doing and he's breaking again.
Speaker 1: He's like breaking them down and building them back up.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing we just we saw it and
Speaker 1: remember the Titans. You see it right sports movies. So
Speaker 1: I think this movie doesn't give all the players their
Speaker 1: individual little moments and personality traits the way some other
Speaker 1: sports movies do.
Speaker 2: Right, what some of them do. I I don't feel
Speaker 2: like it's missing anything. I feel like I know them
Speaker 2: well enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Strap is the one who like he really
Speaker 1: loves the Lord.
Speaker 2: He loves to pray, love he's good at it.
Speaker 1: I really like I did laugh out loud where like
Speaker 1: they're all praying and like they're done and he's still
Speaker 1: just there praying and he's like, well make sure you're done,
Speaker 1: but tip On, Like he just he really loves the Lord.
Speaker 1: And when he's playing really well, he's like I feel
Speaker 1: the power of the Lord flowing through me. It's like, okay, Strap, Okay.
Speaker 1: You know Ali's thing is that he's short.
Speaker 2: You know, he's actually a good ballplayer. Yeah, he played.
Speaker 2: He was he was a senior in high school. He
Speaker 2: was really young, but he played basketball, so he was
Speaker 2: pretty good at it. It was the guy who played
Speaker 2: Jimmy who hadn't played ball. He didn't know right, so
Speaker 2: it was a big deal, like for him because he
Speaker 2: never misses, like he's like there's a whole scene with
Speaker 2: him in gene Ackman. Yeah, and he doesn't talk. He's
Speaker 2: just shooting the ball. He just he dunks it. Every
Speaker 2: doesn't dug but he just shoots it just NonStop, like
Speaker 2: he never misses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's it's pretty impressive. And so yeah, their first
Speaker 1: game doesn't go well, and at one point, like so
Speaker 1: he has no assistant coach, he has the principal as
Speaker 1: his assistant coach. Things get too stressful, the assistant principle
Speaker 1: has like heart issues and he can't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: And that's when Gene Hackman goes to visit Dennis Hopper
Speaker 1: and asks him to like kind of clean up and
Speaker 1: join him on the bench. And again, like fifteen year
Speaker 1: old me wasn't into this, but now I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: so cool to see a scene with Gene Hackman and
Speaker 1: Dennis Hopper.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so they're so good together. Sure,
Speaker 2: there's such great chemistry, and and I got Dennis Hopper
Speaker 2: was such a great actor. He was absolutely you just
Speaker 2: your heartbroken dealing with this guy, because yeah, right, it's
Speaker 2: like it's a part. It's you know, he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be a fuck up. He doesn't want to you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's just he's got a problem. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 2: throwing him a lifeline and helping him out. And they're
Speaker 2: such good actors, you totally buy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And again, I love how gently is about it.
Speaker 1: He's not a dick about it, And I love. I love,
Speaker 1: love love Dennis Hopper in this movie. Like I he
Speaker 1: could have played this person as like just a fucking
Speaker 1: dark cloud, like yeah, a real brooding asshole type or something,
Speaker 1: and he's not. He's actually really he's actually really sweet
Speaker 1: and like like you know, he has a lovely smile
Speaker 1: and like there seems like there's something amusing about him,
Speaker 1: but he just has this problem that's like more than
Speaker 1: he can handle. And I just thought he was so
Speaker 1: good and again, like fifteen year old me didn't appreciate it,
Speaker 1: and fifteen year old me was like, he should have
Speaker 1: been nominated for Blue Velvet, and I see why he's
Speaker 1: nominated for this movie now.
Speaker 2: He anchors the movie he does. Yeah, he's so good
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: And I think Gene Hackman should have been nominated too,
Speaker 1: but oh, absolutely, what are you gonna do? They had
Speaker 1: to make room for William Hurt and Children of a
Speaker 1: Lesser God.
Speaker 2: That movie. I never liked that movie of You. I
Speaker 2: did not.
Speaker 1: I thought Marley Mattlin was very good in it, by
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: I did too, but I just found it. I just
Speaker 2: it's not my it's it's a choice, a choice.
Speaker 1: I would rather have seen Gene Hagman in that category.
Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, I think this movie, I think more
Speaker 2: people should see it. I think it's uh yeah, you
Speaker 2: really do care about these kids. I mean, yeah, it's there.
Speaker 2: It's just a ballgame. And but they do get better
Speaker 2: and better as they go.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that the rules changed.
Speaker 2: They were saying, like in the fifties, you could still
Speaker 2: be a really small school and wind up playing a
Speaker 2: big team. Now they changed the rules, like you had
Speaker 2: to stick to different districts depending on the size of
Speaker 2: your school. So this was much more democratic, and that
Speaker 2: like you really did egalitary. Maybe you want to say,
Speaker 2: it's like you did have to earn that spot. But
Speaker 2: when you get there, and then when they get to
Speaker 2: their they get to the finals, they got their their
Speaker 2: final match, and it's the championships, the state championships, and
Speaker 2: they're from like Muncie or East Bend, Indiana, South South Bend. Sorry,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, those and those dudes are gigan to
Speaker 2: compare to these kids, and you're like, this is not
Speaker 2: gonna this is total you know, Davy and Goliath, k Yeah,
Speaker 2: and spoiler they make it.
Speaker 1: What what's funny is I know how the movie ends,
Speaker 1: and I was still like, go allie, make that best.
Speaker 1: Oh I still and I love Super Care. I care
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: And then the smart thing that Dennis Hopper did was
Speaker 2: that they in the original script he falls off the wagon,
Speaker 2: you know, once again he falls off the wagon. But
Speaker 2: then he comes back for the final game. And then
Speaker 2: he's there when they the f and Dennis Hopper, who
Speaker 2: had just quit drinking, said no, he would stay in
Speaker 2: the hospital because that's where he needs to be, because
Speaker 2: he's this is his last chance to really get sober
Speaker 2: and make it county. And so he's staying for his sobriety.
Speaker 2: And so then you have him in the hospital and
Speaker 2: it's much better having him reacting in the hospital with
Speaker 2: the radio that.
Speaker 1: It would have been him there with the world's most
Speaker 1: patient nurse.
Speaker 2: This nurse just working doing her paperwork in the room
Speaker 2: with the patients.
Speaker 1: I love this, and he's just like, you don't understand,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and she's just
Speaker 1: like whatever.
Speaker 2: But still it really it's it's it just rang true
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love And there's a whole thing too where
Speaker 1: they of course, a movie like this needs to have
Speaker 1: a town hall meeting where they're like, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: rid of him because he's an outsider and he's not
Speaker 1: doing it the way we want to do it. And
Speaker 1: this is where Barbara Hershey could have She really could
Speaker 1: have put the nail in the coffin here and like
Speaker 1: sent him on his way. She at this point has
Speaker 1: found out like why he got why he lost his
Speaker 1: old job, which was he actually like punch, punch, punch player.
Speaker 1: But you can't do you no, no, no, no, we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't punch kid.
Speaker 2: It's not okay.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a college coach, so I guess this
Speaker 1: kid would have been eight. We don't punch. We don't
Speaker 1: no hitting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no hitting, allow, You're not allowed to no hitt.
Speaker 1: And you know they have a very you know, they
Speaker 1: talk about it and he's like, this is my second chance.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why, you know, I wish I
Speaker 1: could go back and take it back. I think about
Speaker 1: it all the time.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And the truth is she likes him. And they go
Speaker 1: to the town hall and she it looks like she's
Speaker 1: gonna do it. She's brought the story. She stands up
Speaker 1: there and then she just says, like it would be
Speaker 1: a huge mistake if you guys let him leave. Like
Speaker 1: it's because she likes him.
Speaker 2: Because she likes him and she sees the potential and she.
Speaker 1: Sees the potential and like the team is getting better,
Speaker 1: and that's like the big moment, of course, is Jimmy
Speaker 1: comes in and he's like, I will join the team
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, see you told you you were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you'll play and he's like, no, I only play
Speaker 1: if the coach stays and everyone's like what.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 1: So that's when everything starts to click into place and
Speaker 1: they start winning and Dennis Hopper shows up and he's
Speaker 1: sober and he's he's doing the assistant coach thing. And
Speaker 1: I do love the scene where Gene Hackman purposely gets
Speaker 1: himself thrown out of a game so that Dennis Hopper
Speaker 1: has a moment to shine. And I what I love
Speaker 1: about it is he he tells Dennis Hopper like, Dennis
Speaker 1: Hopper's like, don't get thrown out of any more games,
Speaker 1: and he's all, I totally won't, basically, and yeah, next game,
Speaker 1: he's like, look, I just want to discuss it with
Speaker 1: the ref and he walks up to the rep and
Speaker 1: he's like, do you have pigeon shit?
Speaker 2: And you're just throw me out, now, throw me out,
Speaker 2: just throw me out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he tells him to throw him out and
Speaker 1: he does, and then he lets shoot her take the
Speaker 1: lead and he he does. He comes up with like
Speaker 1: a great play that they are able to use to
Speaker 1: like win the game, and you know, he gets some
Speaker 1: respect from his and it's like it's such a good moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of it so much.
Speaker 1: And then there's like a semi final game, and this
Speaker 1: is the game that I always think in my head
Speaker 1: is the final and that's the one with like Ali
Speaker 1: doing the like what they call a granny style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the free yeah, the free throw. But it's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they do it underhanded. I don't think they do that anymore.
Speaker 1: No, I looked it up. I don't think anyone's done
Speaker 1: that since like ninety, right, yeah, or maybe they said
Speaker 1: eighty or ninety. I forget. It's not really something that
Speaker 1: they do anymore.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: That's how I do it when I play with my son,
Speaker 1: because I'm because I am an old lady. That's that's why.
Speaker 1: But that's not even the final game. Like it's like
Speaker 1: this huge moment that like Ali makes these baskets and
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's like yay. But that's just the game
Speaker 1: that gets them. The championship game, which is in this
Speaker 1: like auditorium that's so huge to them. They've never been
Speaker 1: in a building that big before. And I love the
Speaker 1: scene where Gene Hackman measures.
Speaker 2: You're right, you know the distance?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like same size, you know as what
Speaker 1: we have at home. And and then they play and
Speaker 1: you have those kids are way bigger and it's a
Speaker 1: way bigger town and a way bigger school district and
Speaker 1: they probably have more resources than all of those things too.
Speaker 1: So right, it's a it's a big thing, and you know,
Speaker 1: like all sports movies, it's got a very exciting final game.
Speaker 1: I'm curious how they even shoot these kinds of movies,
Speaker 1: to be honest, because there's so much cutting. Do they
Speaker 1: just let them play and film it.
Speaker 2: I hate wonder.
Speaker 1: And like, I guess I should watch making of or
Speaker 1: something so I could get it.
Speaker 2: I saw one of the making of there's a little
Speaker 2: featurette and it's Gene Hackman and he said he's in India.
Speaker 2: They filmed this in Indiana. And then this really small
Speaker 2: town and There's a woman that's in one of the
Speaker 2: crowd scenes. She goes up to Gene Hackman and says,
Speaker 2: I knew your mother, your mom, your mom. My mom
Speaker 2: and your mom were friends. And she brings a picture
Speaker 2: to Gene Hackman. It's her mother with his mother, and
Speaker 2: then he tells us, my mother died in a house
Speaker 2: fire and all of her photos were in there in
Speaker 2: that house. He goes, I only have this photo now
Speaker 2: of my mother.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, right, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I gave you the chills.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would he be so shitty about this movie?
Speaker 2: I he just well, when you watch the extra clips,
Speaker 2: because the deleted scenes, they're not all jug up, they
Speaker 2: don't have the proper you know, they just looked kind
Speaker 2: of rough, and he's probably walking around like and it
Speaker 2: was rare, like there thirty nine days they said it
Speaker 2: rained like thirty one of them. Yeah, you know, in
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere in Indiana. You know, he's like,
Speaker 2: you're with a bunch of you know, amateurs that weren't actors.
Speaker 2: He had to teach these kids stuff, and he's probably like,
Speaker 2: what's going on here, Like, what's going to make it
Speaker 2: into the final film? Right?
Speaker 1: You know, it's go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, who knows what makes a movie good anyway, Like
Speaker 2: it's they're always taking a risk.
Speaker 1: They are absolutely and like he gene happened, he was
Speaker 1: a big star. But at this point he'd won afe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're all ready for the French connection, Like he's a
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And he was also filming Superman four, like write this,
Speaker 2: and he apparently was like super excited to do that
Speaker 2: one because it was an anti nuclear war. He did
Speaker 2: not have a big Dude, you didn't really you should
Speaker 2: really just go by script. Go by the script, dude,
Speaker 2: just go by the script. Okay. But he thought that
Speaker 2: would be the big movie. And he thought this, yes,
Speaker 2: which is a notoriously horrible Superman movie.
Speaker 1: He really directed his anger at the wrong movie. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a bad movie.
Speaker 2: Bad, It's an objectively terrible film.
Speaker 1: Like I get, I I there's things in Part three
Speaker 1: that I actually think are good. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I could say the same for Superman.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to like it because it had John
Speaker 1: Cryer in.
Speaker 2: It, exactly. And I was at the Alex Bennett show
Speaker 2: when John Cryer was there and he was promoting Hiding
Speaker 2: Out and Alex said, to which we did an episode
Speaker 2: of The One and Alex Wana was a radio show
Speaker 2: in San Francisco by the way back in the back
Speaker 2: in the eighties, and he was on the show and
Speaker 2: Alex said to him, you know what I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: Superman for and John Cryer looked because I know you're
Speaker 2: a liar. That's a terrible movie.
Speaker 1: He's also you're the one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was like, dude, it's okay, it's
Speaker 2: a terrible It's fine, it's not that's a horrible movie.
Speaker 2: He's like very much like right off the bat. And
Speaker 2: I was like, I like John Cryer, He's just very normal.
Speaker 2: He seems like good people, good people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they play in their big game. You'll never believe this.
Speaker 1: It comes down to like the last second of what's
Speaker 1: going to happen, and there is this moment where like
Speaker 1: Gene Hagmany calls the time out and they're like, we're
Speaker 1: going to do this. This is the play, this is
Speaker 1: what we're going to do, and the team just kind
Speaker 1: of takes a step back and takes a moment and
Speaker 1: he's like, what's wrong with you? What is it? And
Speaker 1: Jimmy says, I'll make it and he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do it. And it's like actually kind of a
Speaker 1: big moment.
Speaker 2: Like it's they're really well filmed. I mean, these guys
Speaker 2: are good ballplayers, so it is like watching a real game,
Speaker 2: and it is exciting. It's like really good players. Basketball
Speaker 2: is an exciting game to watch. I mean absolutely, their
Speaker 2: shit going on all the time. You have add it's
Speaker 2: perfect because just it's just boom boom boom. See.
Speaker 1: This is why I like, I love to go to
Speaker 1: basketball games, like we have we have a Warriors like
Speaker 1: Chase Stadium here now in San Francisco. I love to
Speaker 1: go to games. I don't watch basketball at home because
Speaker 1: I don't find that relaxing, like because it is like
Speaker 1: constant you have to pay attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like and hope the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I like baseball because it's it's because
Speaker 1: it's slow. It's yeah, I like that pace when I'm
Speaker 1: at home. But I love to go to baseball games too.
Speaker 1: But I love the he this movie, I'm like, I love,
Speaker 1: I love I love remember the same member.
Speaker 2: Remember You and the Beatles.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. He he's the one who's called the shots.
Speaker 1: You will do what I tell you you're in my
Speaker 1: army now, like all of this stuff. And then at
Speaker 1: the end there they very politely push back. They like
Speaker 1: take a pause, they take a breath, and Jimmy's like,
Speaker 1: I'll make it, and he changes his mind. He listens
Speaker 1: to them and he lets them do their thing, and
Speaker 1: I don't again, I don't think that at fifteen that
Speaker 1: hit me And now I'm like, oh, they made their
Speaker 1: own choice there and it worked, and he trusted them
Speaker 1: to make the call.
Speaker 2: And when he says I love you, guys.
Speaker 1: Go, that's where I cry.
Speaker 2: I bet you. I bet so many men cry at
Speaker 2: that moment because they don't like the guys that don't
Speaker 2: like to cry. I'm sure they watch this movie to
Speaker 2: cry so they can have that that and uh, what
Speaker 2: am I thinking of that? Of course, Dreams, Field of Dreams.
Speaker 2: It's got that kind of that kind of a sports movie.
Speaker 2: It's got that scene where you can kind of give
Speaker 2: yourself permission to cry, which I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, we we all have those movies that,
Speaker 1: yeah watch because we need to cry.
Speaker 2: When I have trouble accessing emotion. Yes, I've just put
Speaker 2: that on and that'll just make me cry and I'll
Speaker 2: get it out.
Speaker 1: A movie can do that for you, Yes, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: you know spoilers, but they totally win. They win, you know,
Speaker 1: they score just as the buzzer sounds. Of course they do.
Speaker 1: They're like the smallest school to ever win, like the
Speaker 1: Indiana State championship and we get the shot of them
Speaker 1: and they're like championship photo and the whole I love
Speaker 1: you guys, And I'm like, it's just.
Speaker 2: A perfect little movie. It really, there's nothing. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would add more to it. If anything else I would,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be I would be totally fine if they
Speaker 2: were like twenty minutes longer.
Speaker 1: The love I would love like a couple more scenes
Speaker 1: with him and Barbara Hershey, Yes, when he shows up
Speaker 1: at her house and like she's doing some gardening or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they take a walk and like they're chatting forbid
Speaker 1: and they kiss and she says like it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a while or it's been a long time, and
Speaker 1: he's like for me too, and I'm like it's.
Speaker 2: Just so sweet.
Speaker 1: It's yes, like you know it again, Like it's not
Speaker 1: like they could just go on the apps and fucking
Speaker 1: swipe around and meet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're in a town of like nineteen hundred, Like,
Speaker 2: you're going to meet everybody in no time you've dated everybody,
Speaker 2: or everyone's dated each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need someone to move to town in order
Speaker 1: to like, you know, get a little action. And you know,
Speaker 1: she finally has met someone that she likes. And I
Speaker 1: like there's a scene like right after it where people
Speaker 1: are he's answering questions for reporters and they're like, are
Speaker 1: you going to be staying in Hickory? And I love
Speaker 1: that she picks up the little bullhorn and she's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great question.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, of course he will, because he really
Speaker 1: likes her.
Speaker 2: I think he's finding his stride. He also likes the school,
Speaker 2: he likes the town, and yeah, he's ready to settle
Speaker 2: down there. He's good with it.
Speaker 1: I think so. And I just I read that originally
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson was going to play the Gene Hackman part.
Speaker 2: Right, and he was polite enough to tell the director
Speaker 2: that I thought everyone was terrific. He says, but if
Speaker 2: it were me, it would have been a mega hit.
Speaker 2: And he's not wrong. I mean, Jack Nicholson was a
Speaker 2: huge star in the eighties, Like yeah, but he was
Speaker 2: in some lawsuit and couldn't work for the time that
Speaker 2: they were filming it, so that's when they had to
Speaker 2: get Gene Hackman after that, who just complained the whole time.
Speaker 2: But it turns out it's like one of his best movies.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: I think so easily.
Speaker 1: And Harry Dean Stanton was supposed to play the Dennis
Speaker 1: Hopper part where I was.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say he would have been good too,
Speaker 2: by the way he was. That was his role to play.
Speaker 2: But I think there's something about Dennis Hopper. And also
Speaker 2: Dennis Hopper was good friends with James Dean. They made the.
Speaker 1: End and Rebel without a Cause together.
Speaker 2: Right, And James Dean paid basketball in the early fifties
Speaker 2: in Indiana and he played against the team that was
Speaker 2: from Milan or Millan, Indiana. So he like, it's based
Speaker 2: on a real story ish that happened in like nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty four in Indiana and it was two different schools
Speaker 2: and James Dean played against the school that won and
Speaker 2: it was like the school school it was a big
Speaker 2: story blah blah blah. So there's all kinds of places,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, that things kind of coalesce and are
Speaker 2: interesting but I think it's it's really well done. The
Speaker 2: script is good, the acting's great. It's very realistic. There's
Speaker 2: nothing anachronistic about it. Like I feel like I'm totally
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty two in Indiana, and not in a
Speaker 2: crazy way. I just feel like, I just I understand.
Speaker 2: And how much do you want to eat that food?
Speaker 2: I bet all that food was so good. When I
Speaker 2: see movies like in the fifties and diners, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's some damn good food.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good biscuit.
Speaker 2: Oh, I want good pie.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're eating pie in one of the scenes.
Speaker 2: Oh. And I'm like, you know, that's tasty.
Speaker 1: That's some damn fine pie. They would say in Twin Peaks.
Speaker 1: So Dennis Hopper was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for
Speaker 1: this movie, and.
Speaker 2: We're with Velvet, which he thought he would get aphoria.
Speaker 1: I get why he's not blue. Velvet is very very weird,
Speaker 1: and he's very very good in it. But this feels
Speaker 1: more like the kind of movie the Academy likes to
Speaker 1: get awards for.
Speaker 2: And also I just finkly like I find the character
Speaker 2: more relatable. I love David Lynch's movies. But there's nothing
Speaker 2: relatable about them. And that's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah for that, I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watch them because I want to look in
Speaker 2: a mirror at my life, like I I. But but
Speaker 2: the problem with it is it can be so strange
Speaker 2: that it's hard to re uh to connect with it
Speaker 2: on a human level. Whereas Dennis Hopper with Gen like
Speaker 2: you said, if that scene with Gene Hackman in his
Speaker 2: crappy house, you know, with barely electricity and anything, and
Speaker 2: this guy's like add his whitworst and Gene Hackman's like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you this lifeline. I'm gonna I
Speaker 2: want you to do this, and I bet you could
Speaker 2: do it. And he's like, I got a sue that's soon.
Speaker 2: I got married. In I you can see he's getting excited,
Speaker 2: like somebody believes in him. It's so warm, it's it's
Speaker 2: so good.
Speaker 1: He's he is at his lowest. He's living in like
Speaker 1: a house that's falling apart. It's yeah, no electricity probably,
Speaker 1: and he's still like trying to be a good host, like, yeah, here,
Speaker 1: sit at the fire. Do you want to do? You
Speaker 1: want to I think already you want to snort. I
Speaker 1: think and offers him the bottle and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: thank you, but like you can still see like his humanity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess, And I feel like playing in blue velvet
Speaker 1: that's just a it's not real.
Speaker 2: It's not real. It's a performance of material, and so
Speaker 2: is what he's doing here. But one, I just it
Speaker 2: seems natural to me and more grounded in reality, and
Speaker 2: the other is more of a movie, it's an art project.
Speaker 2: Which is they're both fine. I mean, they both serve
Speaker 2: their purpose. But if you're telling, like which one do
Speaker 2: I connect with more, I'm good. It has to be
Speaker 2: Hoosiers every time, And every time I watch Hoosiers, I'm like, god,
Speaker 2: damn it. Dennis Hopper was good. He was such a
Speaker 2: good actor. He was. It's so much charisma. He had
Speaker 2: so much. He really did.
Speaker 4: If you connect to Frank in blue velvet, yes, like
Speaker 4: he's huffing a tank, yeah, I have questions for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love Lynch but yeah he was weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super weird. So he's nominated for Hoosiers. I
Speaker 1: thought you might like to know.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, please.
Speaker 1: I also have a list of Gene Hackman movies for us,
Speaker 1: so other people nominated Denholm Elliott for A Room with
Speaker 1: a View Denham Denham, I've never seen a Room with
Speaker 1: a view? Should I It's fine, Okay? I mean I
Speaker 1: like those kinds of movies.
Speaker 2: I probably, yeah, yeah, it's fine. It's good.
Speaker 1: Two people from Platoon Willem Dafoe.
Speaker 2: I just saw a documentary about Platoon. It was a
Speaker 2: few years old. I didn't realize it, but those men
Speaker 2: fucking love each other, like they really went through the
Speaker 2: shit together.
Speaker 1: They went through like a boot camp together.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah in the Philippines.
Speaker 1: Damn yeah, no, thank you. And Tom Behringer was also nominated.
Speaker 2: And he's hot.
Speaker 1: Tots And normally the winner was Michael Caine for Hannah
Speaker 1: and her Sisters.
Speaker 2: He's really good in that movie. He is.
Speaker 1: And also I think it was like a it's his
Speaker 1: year kind of thing. Yeah, it was like it's his turn.
Speaker 2: Because he's always good. Like Gene Hackman, he's always good. Yep.
Speaker 1: And then some other Gene Hackman movies that we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about on the show because we've done a couple
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman movies. So if you're like, what about the
Speaker 1: Bird Cage, we already did The Bird Cage so uh
Speaker 1: not the French connection and the French connection and the
Speaker 1: Quicken the dead right, and maybe that's it. There might
Speaker 1: be one more in there that I'm not there.
Speaker 2: We should do the first Superman movie one of these
Speaker 2: days we have.
Speaker 1: I feel like we have done Superman. Really, I can
Speaker 1: look it up.
Speaker 2: You gotta look up in the files.
Speaker 1: Let's see Superman. I'm almost positive we did the door Key. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe we did it. Let's see. Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: and I have not done Superman.
Speaker 2: The seventy eight one. No, we gotta do that. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, because I saw the Christopher Reeve documentary a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago. You did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did Superman back when the show first started
Speaker 1: with my previous host. I would love to redo it,
Speaker 1: so we will do.
Speaker 2: We deleted those episodes.
Speaker 1: Those episodes are missing in action. So other other Gene
Speaker 1: Hackman movies. The Conversation, great movie, really great. Mississippi Burning,
Speaker 1: such a hilarious, hilarious, so fun. That played at my
Speaker 1: movie theater, and it played for quite a while too.
Speaker 1: I think it was supposed to win a lot of awards.
Speaker 1: It didn't, but it had that Oscar run to two
Speaker 1: courtroom movies. He did the Firm, which I think we covered.
Speaker 1: We have not it's on our list though.
Speaker 2: We did that.
Speaker 1: We did The Client, and we did a Time to Kill.
Speaker 1: But we did the Fir and the Pelican Brief and
Speaker 1: the Pelican Brief. That's right, we did that one with Adamirski. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was also in Runaway Jury.
Speaker 2: That's a good movie.
Speaker 1: That's an entertaining one too. And then of course Get
Speaker 1: Get Shorty.
Speaker 2: Get Shorty. I have not seen in so long and
Speaker 2: I'm dying to watch it again.
Speaker 1: Yep, we could put and we could bump any of
Speaker 1: these up to the top of the list if we want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Crimson Tide.
Speaker 2: Never seen it.
Speaker 1: I love Crimson Tie.
Speaker 2: I know people love it. I don't.
Speaker 1: It's an acquired not A submarine movie is not for everybody.
Speaker 2: My brother was in submarines too. He was in the
Speaker 2: Navy for eight years, so he.
Speaker 1: Was also an unforgiven obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good movie.
Speaker 1: I really like He's in Postcards from the Edge.
Speaker 2: Great fucking movie based on a really great book.
Speaker 1: Love Postcards from.
Speaker 2: The Edge rip Carrie Fisher.
Speaker 1: I saw that genius so many times in the theater
Speaker 1: because it played at my theater, and I would just
Speaker 1: go and see it because I loved it so much.
Speaker 1: Two more, the Royal ten in Bombs.
Speaker 2: Great movie.
Speaker 1: He's so good in that movie.
Speaker 2: He's good in that. I mean, if you like Wes Anderson,
Speaker 2: by the way, that is the caveat Yes.
Speaker 1: And then his last movie is Welcome to Mooseport.
Speaker 2: God bless him for doing that.
Speaker 1: But wow, it's fine. It's fine. It's like, hm, like,
Speaker 1: that's not how he well whatever, he made his choices,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's not he maybe after Royal ten in Bombs,
Speaker 1: like you could just cut the list, but whatever, Welcome
Speaker 1: to Mooseport is a thing that happened.
Speaker 2: No, and then he did all those commercials for years.
Speaker 2: He was the voice of what was the carrier, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, Sprint T Mobile. I think he's the T
Speaker 2: Mobile voice.
Speaker 1: Let's see, Gene Hackman, because he did it for years
Speaker 1: and that you make serious fucking money doing that over commercials.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 1: He did stuff for Lending Tree. Oh my god, he
Speaker 1: did Missed, he did like Doctor Clean, he did a
Speaker 1: whole bunch. Oh my gosh, who knew?
Speaker 2: Because I think he had a studio at his house.
Speaker 2: That the one that he unfortunately passed away in. But
Speaker 2: I think he had like a studio set up there.
Speaker 1: He did over for United Airlines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a lot of that. Dude.
Speaker 1: That's good money.
Speaker 2: It's great fucking money. But I think it's yeah exactly,
Speaker 2: we're here. I told you, like my book. They sold
Speaker 2: the rights for the audio, and then I said to
Speaker 2: my my editor, I'm like, oh, well, will I be
Speaker 2: doing it? He goes, well, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they're even gonna ask you. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: really like, oh, hello.
Speaker 1: I'm here. It's like, what I do?
Speaker 2: I have got hours and hours you could listen to.
Speaker 1: I can't even tell you how many work things I've
Speaker 1: been roped into just because of the fancy Mike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's not kidding. I I am not.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's hear some songs.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is the top ten. This movie came
Speaker 2: out November fourteenth, eighty six. Right, yep, alright, so number God.
Speaker 2: I love this list. Number ten it's Cidey Laupper, True
Speaker 2: Colors Love Cindy makes Me Cry. I love that song. This.
Speaker 2: I love this song the Rain Orange Juice Jones song
Speaker 2: You and Him and Him in the Rain. Number eight.
Speaker 2: This song The Next Time I Fall Peter Setara and
Speaker 2: Amy Grant.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're not escape that song.
Speaker 2: It's a mall song. It everywhere. Number six I didn't
Speaker 2: mean to turn you on. Robert Palmer. I loved Robert
Speaker 2: Palmer and I love that album so good. Number five
Speaker 2: bon Jovi, You give have a Bad Name.
Speaker 1: I love that song You Get a Bad Name.
Speaker 2: I love when Triumph the Dog went to see Bunch of.
Speaker 1: Everything Triumph does.
Speaker 2: He gets high on the tour bus with everybody. Oh
Speaker 2: it's hilarious. Okay. Number five sorry, Number four take Me
Speaker 2: Home Tonight, Eddie Money. Great song. Number three True Blue
Speaker 2: by Madonna when she was married to Sean Penn. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Number two that was three. Sorry. Number two Human League
Speaker 2: Human that's a good song.
Speaker 1: That's a good song.
Speaker 2: And number one Amanda by Boston. That was like, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, totally forgot about that song.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have one of my I remember one of my
Speaker 1: longest friends is his name Amanda, and one of our
Speaker 1: coworkers at the theater used to have this song on
Speaker 1: a t and I was like, he has a crush
Speaker 1: on Amanda, and that's why this song is honest.
Speaker 2: I think about that song. Hey, Delilah, do you remember that song, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Hey Delai La blah, And it was because the singer
Speaker 2: had a crush on a girl named Delilah and she
Speaker 2: told him no like a thousand times, and then he
Speaker 2: made a song that she had to hear for like
Speaker 2: a year and she yeah, And she did some interviews
Speaker 2: and she was kind of like, yeah, we just you know,
Speaker 2: there's no chemistry for me. I'm sorry. You know. The
Speaker 2: answer is still no. The answer is still no.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on your novelty hit, but no, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: Good try though, good try if he can go into
Speaker 2: what we're doorky out about. Yes, I have I have
Speaker 2: a Boston thing I have to talk about.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Because my thing on people on people have different things
Speaker 2: on YouTube. So my co host for Book versus Movie,
Speaker 2: Margo likes people taking things out of their bag, like
Speaker 2: the purse, your sack.
Speaker 1: Oh, I want to see what's in your purse?
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, that's her thing. And you know some people
Speaker 2: like unboxing things is their thing. For me, it's people
Speaker 2: reacting to music and it's it's my favorite. And there's
Speaker 2: one that I found it it's from if you just
Speaker 2: to do and react to Boston for play long Time,
Speaker 2: So it's a there's an instrumental and then it leads
Speaker 2: to a song called long Time. I haven't heard it
Speaker 2: in twenty years, thirty years, I don't know. It's from
Speaker 2: their first album, and it is so fucking amazing to
Speaker 2: watch all these people reacting to this song because it
Speaker 2: actually is like a really good song. It's got way
Speaker 2: over production and you know, guitar solos and it's got
Speaker 2: a spaceship looks, young people, all kinds of people. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's what I love about it. It's like there's a
Speaker 2: mixture of different kinds of people, different races, different genders,
Speaker 2: different places in the world that they live in, and
Speaker 2: they just react. They pick songs and then the person
Speaker 2: like edits it to see everybody's reactions to it, and
Speaker 2: they did that. They do that a lot with Kendrick
Speaker 2: Lamar because of the Super Bowl thing, right, But during
Speaker 2: COVID there were a lot of people who were doing
Speaker 2: putting these kinds of videos out on YouTube because everyone
Speaker 2: was bored and they were home, and so there was
Speaker 2: there's like there was this group of of vloggers that
Speaker 2: would just like they come up with a playlist and
Speaker 2: they would react to songs and then one of them
Speaker 2: would put them all together. And I've just been watching
Speaker 2: that like and it's it was so fucking good.
Speaker 1: I for a while loved watching these twin boys.
Speaker 2: The twins are the new trend or something. They broke up. Oh,
Speaker 2: they had a fight. They had an argument and they
Speaker 2: broke up, and then it was just one of them
Speaker 2: doing it and then he had to let it go
Speaker 2: because it wasn't the same. They were so cute because
Speaker 2: they they they were durable boys. And they also they
Speaker 2: were young kids. They're like teenagers and they were twins
Speaker 2: and they remember they listened to Uh in the Air tonight,
Speaker 2: Yeah when it gets to the drum fill and they
Speaker 2: freaked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were like, what.
Speaker 2: What is it? Yeah, it's that. It's basically that, and
Speaker 2: it's just different people. And there's one that one there's
Speaker 2: an opera singer in Scotland and.
Speaker 5: She's really but she's, oh, this is quite good threefold,
Speaker 5: and then there's like you get a guy that's totally
Speaker 5: high and baked in Detroit and just laying on his
Speaker 5: bed reacting.
Speaker 2: But he I could just tell you, guys, just just
Speaker 2: do it. It's just really great anyway, So that's something
Speaker 2: you won't be sorry. We brought up Boston, so I
Speaker 2: had to bring it back to Boston. That's why. So
Speaker 2: I'm freaking out paying attention to let's talk about. Amazon
Speaker 2: has a documentary about the Tragically Hip that I've waited
Speaker 2: for months to watch because it's called No Dress Rehearsal Okay,
Speaker 2: and it's three or four parts, and it's a band
Speaker 2: I love. They They're like they were the kings of Canada,
Speaker 2: like they're huge there. And then the lead singer, Gordon died.
Speaker 2: Gordon Downey died from brain cancer and his fuck cancer
Speaker 2: and oh got it so heartbreaking, like they did a
Speaker 2: final tour and then he died a few months but
Speaker 2: it happened super quickly, like and it's just there. He
Speaker 2: went to Europe to get to try to get cures
Speaker 2: for it, like he had millions, like he had he
Speaker 2: had all this access and he's free health care in
Speaker 2: Canada and he and his wife were going through a
Speaker 2: divorce at the time and then they got back together,
Speaker 2: but he had these tumors in his head and they
Speaker 2: just couldn't figure it out. And the one thing they
Speaker 2: could do to help him, and it was basically with
Speaker 2: the pain because he had just these headaches that were
Speaker 2: just blinding. Is they did this treatment, but it caused
Speaker 2: him to have memory loss, so he couldn't drive because
Speaker 2: he get lost. He couldn't remember the lyrics, he couldn't
Speaker 2: make it was it's so heartbreaking. But so it took
Speaker 2: me months to watch this and then I finally got
Speaker 2: to do it, and then it's really beautiful. But it's sad,
Speaker 2: but it also it's really nice and I hope they
Speaker 2: have like this renaissance of people kind of discovering them
Speaker 2: because their music is great. And he's just it's you know,
Speaker 2: fuck cancer man, what can I say? Especially Yeah, So
Speaker 2: that's on Amazon YouTube. They're oh, there's a documentary about
Speaker 2: this movie called for the Small Schools. And it's the
Speaker 2: guy that says that in this movie, the player that
Speaker 2: says that let's do this. Oh that line kills me.
Speaker 2: Let's do this for all the small schools that can't
Speaker 2: make it here that I'll never know what it's right
Speaker 2: and he unfortunately he died by suicide. Oh I know,
Speaker 2: And so it's like the it's very sad. So it's
Speaker 2: the cast, but the just meeting these actors, like twenty
Speaker 2: years later, like talking about the movie and what it
Speaker 2: meant to them.
Speaker 1: It was really yeah, because they weren't professional actors.
Speaker 2: These no only a couple of them had any kind
Speaker 2: of training, So like Gene Hackman had to teach them like,
Speaker 2: this is your light, this is your spot, this is
Speaker 2: your you know, your mark, and this is what you do.
Speaker 2: And he was he had to give them like this
Speaker 2: mini you know, training camp for acting. And think about it,
Speaker 2: these kids are like eighteen nineteen years old and Gene
Speaker 2: Hackman is teaching them to be in this movie that
Speaker 2: they're doing.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's Lex Luthor, right.
Speaker 2: They were like this is so fucking cool. And they
Speaker 2: all just seemed like really they're a nice, nice Midwestern people.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm max they have white lotuses in their
Speaker 2: third season. Are they doing incest? Is that what's going
Speaker 2: on here?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that it makes me very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's Patrick Schwartzenager. We've seen his schwartznaga. Uh. He's
Speaker 2: been naked a couple of times in this and he
Speaker 2: has a younger brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they the way he looks at him, he's like, yeah, Cleary,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's it is making me uncomfortable. When they
Speaker 1: finally make the Donald Trump Junior movie, I think Patrick
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger might be the natural.
Speaker 6: Choice, Like, my god, you're right, he's like this is practically.
Speaker 6: This is practically He's more handsome by like a thousand persons.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean that's what they do with movies. You
Speaker 2: get a handsome we're a better looking version of the person,
Speaker 2: because it just has to.
Speaker 1: Be just like Sebastian stan playing Donald Trump, like no.
Speaker 2: Exactly or.
Speaker 1: Yes, right never, but yeah, he would be good at.
Speaker 2: Parker Posey is in there, Jason Isaacs is in there.
Speaker 2: I miss Jennifer Coolidge. I'm just I'm curious where they're
Speaker 2: going to go with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that every season of the show.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just true.
Speaker 1: I'm like, where are we going with this? But I'm
Speaker 1: always along for the ride because the casting chef's kiss
Speaker 1: always yes. And I loved the scene in the most
Speaker 1: recent episode where they realized that Leslie Bibb is a trumper.
Speaker 1: Like the three girlfriends who have known each other since
Speaker 1: like grade school or on the right and they're having
Speaker 1: dinner and it's just it's to slowly come out that,
Speaker 1: like because one of them is an actress who lives
Speaker 1: in la and the other one is a lawyer in
Speaker 1: New York. And Leslie Bibbs's character with this like short,
Speaker 1: little blonde bob and she lives in Austin with her husband,
Speaker 1: and it just slowly starts to come out that like
Speaker 1: that she goes to this mega church and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: wasn't that awkward because you're probably surrounded by all these
Speaker 1: trumpers and she's like, doesn't really answer the question.
Speaker 2: And we've all had these questions, yeah, conversations like you
Speaker 2: start to talk to somebody like, oh wait a second,
Speaker 2: I've also lived this.
Speaker 1: I've lived this with people.
Speaker 2: And how do people do see on TikTok that are
Speaker 2: like I voted for him three times. I was very proud,
Speaker 2: But does anybody care about Kansas now? Like now, fuck y'all? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel bad for the people who voted
Speaker 2: differently in Kansas, but you no, I don't feel sorry
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: No, you fucked around and now you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna find out enjoy enjoy.
Speaker 1: I've said that, Yeah, I'm sad for people who didn't
Speaker 1: ask to fuck around. Right, But that scene is so
Speaker 1: well done about her, Right, they're obviously like they now
Speaker 1: it's starting to slowly come out the way. She tries
Speaker 1: to like like diffuse the situation with like are we
Speaker 1: really going to talk about Trump right now? Like it's
Speaker 1: fine like me, you know, because it doesn't affect her.
Speaker 1: She's like a rich white woman.
Speaker 2: Right and in Texas, and we have listeners in Texas
Speaker 2: and Florida, and they tell us, like a lot of
Speaker 2: them say like I want to leave or because yeah,
Speaker 2: but you just can't pick up and move.
Speaker 1: It's it's no defensive and hard.
Speaker 2: And it's also like you know somebody that you knew
Speaker 2: in your twenties and you're more idealistic of that. And
Speaker 2: then to talk to them twenty thirty years later her
Speaker 2: and I like to watch them give up basically those
Speaker 2: kinds of values. To trade them in for something more
Speaker 2: convenient is disappointing.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. But it's white. Lotus is always fascinating. I
Speaker 1: never know where it's gonna go. Yeah, and I and
Speaker 1: I do like super care about Oh gosh, what's her name?
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna have to look it up, the one
Speaker 1: from the first season.
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. And she had a
Speaker 2: great show on that you got me hooked.
Speaker 1: On How How Not to Die?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm gonna look up her name where's the
Speaker 1: cast because I want to give her her props? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you don't show her right away? What is
Speaker 1: wrong with you people? Natasha Rothwell, yes, she's so good.
Speaker 1: I super care about her character. I don't want anything
Speaker 1: bad to happen to her. And I really I really
Speaker 1: like Emmy Leewood, Amy Lee, Sorry, Amy? Who would? Who's
Speaker 1: playing Walter Goggin's like girlfriend. I think she's doing such
Speaker 1: a great job. I love Walter Goggins always. He's one
Speaker 1: of those people that's always great. Yes, like they're they're
Speaker 1: doing such such good work. I'm just I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 1: It's just do I understand what's happening?
Speaker 2: No? I do not. No same here, but I watch
Speaker 2: it every week, like I watch it real time, like
Speaker 2: I can't wait. Also, we need to talk about MATTLOCKOK. Look,
Speaker 2: I have to say I think this show is so good,
Speaker 2: and I think I like what they're doing with the
Speaker 2: Mattlock character. So Maddie who's played by Kathy Bates, I mean,
Speaker 2: of course it's good. I mean I'm I'm like, why
Speaker 2: is she doing a TV series. I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is why, because they probably her character is amazing. She
Speaker 2: plays this older woman in her seventies, sixties or seventies,
Speaker 2: and she's joining a law firm and she's telling them,
Speaker 2: my name is Maddy Mattlock.
Speaker 1: And just like the old TV show.
Speaker 2: She does like the TV show, and she really plays
Speaker 2: up like, you know, being the older lady. And I'm
Speaker 2: starting to pick up those cues like people just don't
Speaker 2: think you're dangerous, like you can kind of get away
Speaker 2: with more.
Speaker 1: You start to be invisible, you can, yes, yeah, And
Speaker 1: people aren't looking at you, they're not paying attention to you.
Speaker 2: And there's this there's a power in that if you
Speaker 2: use it correctly, and that's what she's doing. But she's
Speaker 2: her I love this show. Her her daughter died, her
Speaker 2: daughter was a drug addict and died. And then there's
Speaker 2: this she works for this law firm that represents this
Speaker 2: pharm pharmatological company that released some kind of medication that
Speaker 2: they knew could cause harm. And so she's the whole
Speaker 2: thing is so somehow it's tied to her daughter dying
Speaker 2: and this, and so she's go to find out who
Speaker 2: at the law firm knew what was going on and
Speaker 2: hid it from the public because it caused all this,
Speaker 2: all these deaths, and so you're like, is it Jason Ritter,
Speaker 2: Is it Lloyd Bridge not Lloyd bow Bridges. Is it Olympia?
Speaker 2: Is it? Like? Who is it? And that that she's
Speaker 2: becoming friends with, and it's like you're getting to Maddie
Speaker 2: and at first she's playing kind of this daffy older
Speaker 2: lady to get in with good with everybody, but then
Speaker 2: you realize, then you get to see her previous to this,
Speaker 2: and she was really hard on her daughter, like for
Speaker 2: being an addict and really was doing the tough love thing,
Speaker 2: like I think a little too hard, and so does
Speaker 2: her husband, which is an interesting dynamic. But the daughter's gone.
Speaker 2: She's raising the sun her her grandson. But she's lying
Speaker 2: to these people at this firm. So anyway, it's really cool.
Speaker 1: But she's and she's starting to really care about a
Speaker 1: lot of people at the law firm. So she's developed
Speaker 1: like a really sweet friendship with a Lympia who's her
Speaker 1: boss played by sky P Marshall, and they are starting
Speaker 1: to like be really close and like she's at a
Speaker 1: certain point she's like it couldn't be her, she wouldn't
Speaker 1: do this, right, but but it keeps swinging back around
Speaker 1: where it's like maybe she did, maybe she was involved.
Speaker 1: So there is all of that that this most recent episode,
Speaker 1: they introduced Julie Haggarty as Kathy Bas's sister, who's so good.
Speaker 2: Julie Haggerty does also daffy really well, so good.
Speaker 1: She's so good, so good.
Speaker 2: So I'm honest, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was just gonna say, I love that Kathy
Speaker 1: Bates' Mattlock based some of her quote unquote Mattlock character
Speaker 1: on her sister, so like her husband's all, just think
Speaker 1: of it as more research for your character that you're playing,
Speaker 1: because she's the one that's like I just keep buying
Speaker 1: all these words originals and I don't know why, and
Speaker 1: like she is, she's so daffy, Like, I just love it.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 2: So I was saying, I did a Reddit group about Mattlock,
Speaker 2: and I said, I think the last shot of this season,
Speaker 2: it's the first season, it's gonna be Olympia showing up
Speaker 2: at Maddie's reelhouse. Yeah, that's how I think it's going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: Could be, could be, Like the creators behind this show
Speaker 1: are the same people who did Jane the Virgin, which
Speaker 1: I never wanted, but I have a friend who, my
Speaker 1: friend John loves Jane the Virgin, and that show had
Speaker 1: like its original like hook, you know, and then it
Speaker 1: turned into something else. So the Mystery of Mattlock can't.
Speaker 1: It's not sustainable. They can't do it forever, right, At
Speaker 1: a certain point, it's going to have to turn into
Speaker 1: something else, and I'm very curious what that's going to be.
Speaker 2: It's really well done.
Speaker 1: It is super well done, and I love the support cast.
Speaker 1: I look, Jason Ritter's killing it. He's I just I
Speaker 1: have such a soft spot for him because because of
Speaker 1: his dad.
Speaker 2: His dad was John Ritter, yeah, who I got to
Speaker 2: meet once a Good Morning America.
Speaker 1: And I bet he was lovely.
Speaker 2: He was so lovely and really tall, very handsome, yeah,
Speaker 2: but nice to everybody. Like he showed up on the
Speaker 2: set and it was one of those things like everybody
Speaker 2: kind of just stopped to look at him for a
Speaker 2: second because it's.
Speaker 1: J Yeah, and he has he has it. He had it.
Speaker 1: He's like he had arithma man. Yeah. I saw some
Speaker 1: tiktoks going around where So Jason Ritter is married to
Speaker 1: Melanie Lynskey Lynsky and they went to the Critics' Choice Awards,
Speaker 1: I guess. And she looks beautiful, right, She's like in
Speaker 1: a gorgeous like red sequin dress, and like all the
Speaker 1: commenters are like, can Jason Ridder fight, like, because I
Speaker 1: want to take your woman? And then he's been making
Speaker 1: all these videos of him like trying to fight.
Speaker 2: He's, oh, that's what that is, Okay, we're wondering what
Speaker 2: that was about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like he's got like a mustache and
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, like trying to like fight, Like he's
Speaker 1: like you, you know, trying to defend his wife, you know,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like lol. All the comments are from lesbians
Speaker 1: that want you like he's going to be fighting all
Speaker 1: these win but they've been married for quite a while.
Speaker 1: It's very sweet, wholesome stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems very sweet and wholesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope that is true. I yeah, I
Speaker 1: hate to be wrong about him, but he's doing a
Speaker 1: good job on that show. Anything else on your list?
Speaker 2: No, that's it.
Speaker 1: Shall we talk about below? Deck down Under? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Such a great show, so good.
Speaker 1: So they got rid of the Sioux chef, like he's
Speaker 1: like Anthony, yeah, I don't like washing dishes or taking orders,
Speaker 1: and Jason's like, bitch bye. So they kick him off,
Speaker 1: and then shall we talk about that fuck boy? What's
Speaker 1: his name? Wihan Wiehan who?
Speaker 2: Like is he south African? I don't know. They usually
Speaker 2: the fuck boys are South African on below deck just
Speaker 2: to say, well, Zarina, they tend to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, I've got a little crush and she
Speaker 1: she tries real hard. She did this in the other
Speaker 1: season that she was on, right, like she likes wrapping
Speaker 1: her legs around him. She's doing everything.
Speaker 2: I love you. Yeah, she was like I love Sorry,
Speaker 2: that's a clip for next week, Like hello, I love you.
Speaker 2: How are you? It's like play it more chill, Yeah,
Speaker 2: nobody wants I mean she yeah, she really is. They
Speaker 2: I loved. Laura said on the ship they were on
Speaker 2: before that that Serena had a crush and a guy.
Speaker 2: So she took candy one day and like led this
Speaker 2: candy to her room, like laid it on the floor
Speaker 2: like hansoling Gretel with breadcrumbs, and Lara was like rolling
Speaker 2: her eyes. Yeah, She's like, dude, come on.
Speaker 1: Play a little hard to get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have some Yeah, I have some self respect.
Speaker 1: So she's like throwing herself at him. They play Truth
Speaker 1: or Dare and they kiss and all of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Then it turns out that Marina, one of the one
Speaker 1: of the billion, yeah, one of the stews, also like
Speaker 1: has a crush on him, so she like makes her
Speaker 1: move and then Zorena's like, she broke girl code and
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's not.
Speaker 2: Yours, he's not yours.
Speaker 1: It's exactly, there's no code to break here, right, And
Speaker 1: they go on a date and they come back and
Speaker 1: they make out and she's.
Speaker 2: All like, yeah I did that, blah blah blah, and
Speaker 2: we Hunt's like, yeah, that was fun. But I think
Speaker 2: I like a Dare, and a Dare is somebody who
Speaker 2: works for him.
Speaker 1: She's just underlings. Yes, it's not appropriate, and she looks.
Speaker 2: I love her because she is so wants to get daffy,
Speaker 2: like she's Southern and like everyone saile, like she sniffs
Speaker 2: her armpits and makes a sound or she's she's just goofy.
Speaker 2: But she's also like this gorgeous face, like she's really
Speaker 2: beautiful but doesn't play that up at all. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's part of but she's also somebody who
Speaker 2: works for him. But at the end of the episode, Johnny,
Speaker 2: who's the Greek guy who lost lost his temper but
Speaker 2: and he think he gets somebody gets kicked off pretty soon.
Speaker 2: But Johnny and Adare are looking at a jet ski
Speaker 2: and they're both like, oh, this has got water in it.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's got a leak or something, and we
Speaker 2: Hank goes, nah, that's fine. Yeah, And so Johnny takes
Speaker 2: one of the passengers out who's afraid, who doesn't know
Speaker 2: how to swim, and he takes her. In the end,
Speaker 2: it like they basically eat shit in the water. This
Speaker 2: jet ski clips, it flips over, and then they showed
Speaker 2: if they if you go on YouTube, they showed like
Speaker 2: a few minutes for the next episode, and he basically
Speaker 2: we Haun is like, so Johnny and a Dare like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this stupid thing like was leaking. We shouldn't have given
Speaker 2: it to somebody, And we Haunt is very snaky and
Speaker 2: trying to make it sound like he had this idea
Speaker 2: of like, oh, I know what to do to fix it.
Speaker 2: When it sucked up because of you, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, well, and he took like Laurie's idea of
Speaker 1: the check list for the day, and he just took
Speaker 1: credit for it like it was his idea when it
Speaker 1: was her idea to come up with it. And Harry
Speaker 1: is the one who like told him what would actually
Speaker 1: go on the checklist, Like.
Speaker 2: He's a real he didn't know that. Yeah, he's a snake,
Speaker 2: so it'll be of.
Speaker 1: Course, And of course he wants the one girl who's
Speaker 1: like not interested, right, like but just just move by
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: It's yeah you can't and yeah, no it's not okay,
Speaker 2: but yeah, exactly, like that's his immediate reaction.
Speaker 1: What a fucking creep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fun boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're not watching. You started the new season
Speaker 1: of Severance and you're like, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't get into it, So I said to so,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm going to give it a few more
Speaker 2: maybe a couple more episodes, and then do a binge. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I know people are really into it. I liked
Speaker 2: it last year very much. But it is kind of
Speaker 2: weird and slow too, Like it's just a pace that
Speaker 2: the show has that you kind of have.
Speaker 1: To be in the mood for I loved the first season.
Speaker 1: Loved the first season, thought it was so good, couldn't
Speaker 1: wait for it to come back. And now it's back,
Speaker 1: and I am very much into I'm very interested in
Speaker 1: the part of the idea that somebody would choose to
Speaker 1: like put an implant in their brain so that they
Speaker 1: could go to work and not be really themselves for
Speaker 1: like eight hours, to be a totally different person for
Speaker 1: eight hours and then go home and not know what
Speaker 1: you did all day. I think the idea of like
Speaker 1: separating they you know, they talk about its like in
Speaker 1: Ease and outis you know. I think all of that
Speaker 1: stuff is super interesting. But this second season, and I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not spoiling anything for you, is spending a
Speaker 1: lot of time on why that company exists and like
Speaker 1: the history of that company and all of the and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not as really into that hart
Speaker 1: as everyone else seems to be, and they're spending a
Speaker 1: lot of time on that stuff, and so I'm finding
Speaker 1: myself less engaged this season. But everyone I know, everyone
Speaker 1: around me is obsessed. And I love a show that
Speaker 1: it's like you can be as obsessed or not obsessed
Speaker 1: as you want to be right, Like, I don't excuse me.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do homework to watch a show,
Speaker 1: like I just want to watch it. But I know
Speaker 1: other people who love that, Like they love to like
Speaker 1: dig in and watch all the TikTok takes and you know,
Speaker 1: go in the reddit forums and did you know about
Speaker 1: this and that and all. I love that that's a
Speaker 1: thing that people can take from a show. I just
Speaker 1: want to watch it. But the like history of the
Speaker 1: company they work for is less interesting to me than
Speaker 1: the I guess am emotional component of the show. So
Speaker 1: I've been finding myself. Yeah I'm not as connected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I I think I might be a outlier, an
Speaker 1: outlier on this one, because everyone else I know is
Speaker 1: quite obsessed. So that's why I was asking you about
Speaker 1: it earlier, because I was like, maybe maybe maybe it's
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's just me. I'm not that special.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other people who are like, fuck that show,
Speaker 1: it's up its own ass. But hmm, there are parts
Speaker 1: about that. I really I love John Taturo. And by
Speaker 1: the way, John Taturo is like my favorite part.
Speaker 2: He's so great he's so great.
Speaker 1: We just watched The Big Lebowski last weekend.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm thinking of, right.
Speaker 1: And he's just so fucking good.
Speaker 3: He's she's so good and playing like people and people
Speaker 3: who are just a little off like, he's just so
Speaker 3: he's so good.
Speaker 1: I love him. He was in a HBO limited series
Speaker 1: called The Night of Do you remember that one? He
Speaker 1: plays like a lawyer and Riz Ahmed is a guy
Speaker 1: who is like wrongly accused of something, and John Taturo
Speaker 1: is the lawyer that represents him. It's the first episode
Speaker 1: of it gave me anxiety. It was so fucking good.
Speaker 1: Highly recommend. The other thing I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: was the movie Heart Eyes, which just it's called heart
Speaker 1: Eyes like Hearts, like Hearth Heart Heart, and it's like
Speaker 1: a romantic comedy slasher movie. It doesn't think it might
Speaker 1: include a few people, you know. Actually it's got in
Speaker 1: supporting roles. It's got Jorddane, a Brewster from I'm Sure.
Speaker 2: Dana, Sorry, sorry, now I go somebody his friends with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's in there from the Fast and Furious movies.
Speaker 1: And then Beautiful She is beautiful. And then Devin Sawah
Speaker 1: was in he's in it too, both of them in
Speaker 1: supporting roles. Is like the cops investigating. But basically it's
Speaker 1: about like there's a there's a slasher running through towns
Speaker 1: and he wears a mask and the mask has like
Speaker 1: heart eyes, and he kills people on Valentine's Day, people
Speaker 1: who are out and like in love, and part of
Speaker 1: me is like, I fucking get it whatever, but he
Speaker 1: like mistakes this like these two co workers who actually
Speaker 1: don't really get along, he mistakes them for a couple
Speaker 1: and he targets them, and that's kind of the whole
Speaker 1: gist of the movie. And then there's like a big
Speaker 1: reveal at the end that's like really fucking stupid. And
Speaker 1: I just actively hated it in a way that I
Speaker 1: haven't hated a movie what wow like. And it was
Speaker 1: one where I was like, I can't believe I rented this,
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to like it because I think
Speaker 1: there's a really good idea here about like the fact,
Speaker 1: like there is a romantic comedy slasher that could be
Speaker 1: made here, but unfortunately the two leads. It's like the
Speaker 1: lead woman is like she plays an ad executive who
Speaker 1: works for like a jewelry company, and she designs this
Speaker 1: whole jewelry ad around like like infamous couples who die,
Speaker 1: and then her boss is like, how dare you because
Speaker 1: there's this murderer going around killing all these couples. And
Speaker 1: she's like and I'm like, girl, read the room, like
Speaker 1: did you do any Like she's stupid, She's so stupid,
Speaker 1: and we're supposed to feel sorry for her. And then
Speaker 1: they bring in some and I'm sorry. His name is
Speaker 1: Mace Gooding, that's the actor, and he's just like so
Speaker 1: like he could be in a Hallmark holiday movie. It's like,
Speaker 1: so there's like no chemistry between them. You don't believe
Speaker 1: them as a couple, you don't believe them as adversaries.
Speaker 1: Like I just never believe them at any point. If
Speaker 1: it was like a real if these were like movie
Speaker 1: stars that you wanted to get together, this movie might
Speaker 1: have worked. But instead I was like, she's an idiot
Speaker 1: and he's nothing. So I was like, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care. Devin sa Yes, that's so. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: playing one of the cops, so three cops. Yes, that's yes,
Speaker 1: it's just and I really wanted to like it, really
Speaker 1: really wanted to like it. Because I do think there's
Speaker 1: a really good idea here, and I think the casting
Speaker 1: let it down and it's got a real dumb ending,
Speaker 1: Like real dumb.
Speaker 2: Did you pay nineteen ninety nine for it?
Speaker 1: I did? And I hate myself?
Speaker 2: You hate? Do you hate yourself? Now? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do hate myself now. I give myself no
Speaker 1: heart eyes. I did not rent it on Amazon, just
Speaker 1: in case anyone is wondering, because I'm trying not to
Speaker 1: do that. So I watched it on Apple, which is
Speaker 1: better or not? Do you decide? But yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: I rented it, and I was like, well, that was
Speaker 1: a fucking mistake, So lesson learned. I have a friend
Speaker 1: who tried to warn me I should take her advice
Speaker 1: in the future, so I cannot recommend. I'm sorry everybody.
Speaker 1: I usually like to give us stuff that it's good
Speaker 1: to watch, but there's always.
Speaker 3: Madlock and Elsbeth Yep and Hoosiers.
Speaker 2: Yes, there you go. It's a perfect night. Last night,
Speaker 2: I have to say I went to bed in a
Speaker 2: really good mood.
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, it's because it's it's so entertainment. It's
Speaker 1: so good. Did you start the Charles Manson documentary at all?
Speaker 2: Oh, what's that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's some new Charles Manson documentary. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I have the stomach for it, to
Speaker 1: be honest.
Speaker 2: So, but they're kind of over Manson. I've I've watched
Speaker 2: so much Manson in my life. It's like who else
Speaker 2: is left to talk to? Yeah, you know, once they
Speaker 2: found Gypsy, I was totally I was totally fine.
Speaker 1: They started. I started it and they were like opening
Speaker 1: it with like they were playing one of his songs,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I don't want to music.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, if you're going to try to like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess. I'm like if they're trying
Speaker 1: to like make him like interesting or like people are
Speaker 1: like I think his music is really great, like fuck off,
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I'm like, I guess, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, I don't give a shit of his music.
Speaker 2: It's good or not, that doesn't mean anything to me.
Speaker 2: He was a fucking murderer. He beat women, he he
Speaker 2: was a misogynist, He killed people, He had people kill
Speaker 2: other people on his behalf. Fuck him. He was a loser,
Speaker 2: a totally huge, fucking loser. And yeah, I'm over it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well. Also, they're like, why why do you think
Speaker 1: people followed him? Why do you think he you know,
Speaker 1: why would they do his bidding? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, why don't you interview some fucking
Speaker 1: Trump supporters right now and find out why exactly? I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't have time for you to go
Speaker 1: back and talk to fucking Charles Manson people. I'm like,
Speaker 1: do one on these weirdoh's right?
Speaker 2: The people who actually vote against their interests? Yes, so
Speaker 2: many people once again, like I was on TikTok, and
Speaker 2: it's people like I voted for him three times. I
Speaker 2: worked for the Defense Department. I worked from home, and
Speaker 2: this was my job, and then I got fired and
Speaker 2: I'm really upset about it because I didn't want that.
Speaker 2: Like who did you want to hurt with your vote?
Speaker 2: By the way, yeah, you wouldn't mind other people being bactly.
Speaker 2: So that's why if we're laughing and you're wondering why
Speaker 2: that's it. Yeah, you did it because you thought you
Speaker 2: liked him being a bully. You like the fact that
Speaker 2: he's a bully. Yep. You think he's smart, So you're
Speaker 2: not very smart, you know, you think he's a good businessman,
Speaker 2: you don't. You know, you lack that. I mean you
Speaker 2: lack empathy. That's a problem. You really lack.
Speaker 1: Empathought he was going to hurt other people.
Speaker 2: He was going to hurt the gays, the trans kids,
Speaker 2: not me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, fuck you seriously, fuck you. Did you
Speaker 1: see that? My governor has a new podcast and he
Speaker 1: had Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2: On, and then he's also like, yeah, trans.
Speaker 1: It's not fair to have trans people playing and sport.
Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck you, No, not voting for
Speaker 1: you now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, Like, if your platform is hey, let's throw vulnerable, let's.
Speaker 2: Have a conversation with Charlie Kirk, the duest human being alive.
Speaker 1: Way, we don't need to convince that asshole of shit.
Speaker 2: Why do we have to bridge with him? Why? Why? Why? No,
Speaker 2: he's wrong, he's fucked up and wrong. No, I don't
Speaker 2: have to bridge with that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't have to either.
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: And if your political strategy is like I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: like vulnerable communities under the bus right so I can
Speaker 1: win elections, fuck no, no, yeah, I want to throw
Speaker 1: you into the ocean, like hell no, that is a
Speaker 1: no for meat dog. I'm not going to vote for you.
Speaker 1: And I've been a newsome defender. I have been a
Speaker 1: big like people talk a lot of shit and I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's a desire for public service there, like he's doing
Speaker 1: the best he can and the political no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. So anyway, and that is I'll
Speaker 1: just get off my soapbox now and put this aside.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: political rant, you might like our other podcast called what
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