WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:15.599 Welcome back to Join the Ranks, a podcast to the 2 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.280 Dinasty Guru network, where we're helping Dynasty managers win your leagues, 3 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:22.000 one player at a time. For more great content, be 4 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:24.719 sure to listen to The Dynasty's Child podcast and our 5 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:28.839 newest TDG podcast, The Prospect Showdown, hosted by Brian and 6 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.160 daniel Leboude. And you can also find all of our 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:35.280 rankings and articles on the Dinasty Guru website. I'm Drew Klin, 8 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:37.439 senior writer at The Dinasty Guru, and with me today 9 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:41.039 as our co host, TDG Senior writer Chris Knock. Today 10 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:43.439 is our last regular Joining the Ranks of the season, 11 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:45.719 and then two weeks will record and our end of 12 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:48.359 the year JTR thirty. You definitely don't want to miss that, 13 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.200 and then after a short off season, we'll be back. 14 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:53.600 I assume Chris and I didn't talk about this. I'm 15 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.799 coming back and I will find you because we're in 16 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:01.840 this together. And sometime in December and we'll start off 17 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:04.760 with our great twenty twenty five content, including our annual 18 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:09.079 review of the Dynasty Guru positional rankings. So, Chris, have 19 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:10.799 you been And today we're going to talk about some 20 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:12.000 post hype prospect? 21 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:13.920 Would you rather? You ready for that? 22 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.239 Oh? Yeah, I'm actually pretty excited because I you know, 23 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.439 I like to shop at Goodwill and this isn't quite 24 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:25.000 the good will discussion of prospects, but you know, bargain 25 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:25.799 beIN sort of deal. 26 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:28.079 Perhaps, Yeah, I think so. 27 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:30.280 And if you haven't figured out what we've done is 28 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.000 we've compiled a list of players who at one time 29 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.480 or another have been hyped up as prospects and maybe 30 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:38.680 didn't make the first impression we'd hoped for this year. 31 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.239 The question is will they still break out or is 32 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:45.000 this who they are? We've come up with we're going 33 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:47.400 to talk about hitters today. We've come up with fifteen 34 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:50.120 or sixteen names, and we're going to kind of pair 35 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:53.599 them off, and then would you rather format? And you know, 36 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.680 the big question being you've got two guys here. If 37 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:58.560 you have to keep one and cut one on your 38 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.840 dynasty roster, which one are you keeping? So we're gonna 39 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.400 jump right in and we're gonna start off with a bang. 40 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:07.760 These are two headliners. 41 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:08.039 There. 42 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:13.000 There was no question that they've been hyped and and 43 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.240 I'm not saying we're not saying it's undeserved by the way, 44 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:18.479 we're just saying maybe hype delayed. But these are two 45 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:21.639 names that you heard a lot about last year and 46 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.680 have not heard a lot about over the course of 47 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.639 the season in terms of their statistics. But they are 48 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.759 Victor Scott the second and noelbe Marte and noelve and 49 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.439 Marte missed part of the season due to his suspension, 50 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:41.439 and Victor Scott spent most of his season in the minors. So, Chris, 51 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:43.919 what do you think of these two guys and you 52 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:45.639 can only keep one in your roster for next year, 53 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:46.560 which one is it going to be? 54 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:53.120 You know, I don't want to say it's sunk cost fallacy, 55 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.319 but I have a lot of shares of Noelvie and 56 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:04.800 he's more of the profile I would say entering the 57 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.560 twenty four season, he's more of the profile that I like, 58 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.560 more known power in the bat and then the speed 59 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:17.439 to supplement as opposed to the VS. Two game of 60 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.960 a lot of speed and mostly a what noodle type 61 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:27.719 bat questionable. So noelv has been the bigger disappointment, I 62 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:32.319 would say, you know, you had the the PD suspension 63 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:37.159 the spring, and then he has not let the world 64 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.960 on fire since coming back. As we're obviously highlighting him here, 65 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.960 but I would still lean to his more complete game, 66 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:50.520 or what we assume to be a complete game going forward, 67 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:56.560 carrying the profile. I can listen to a Victor Scott argument, though, 68 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:59.759 if that's what you're gonna come with, because you know, 69 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:06.080 the flashing red flag that avoid avoid signed for Marte 70 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:09.159 is the fact that he was busted for performance enhancing 71 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:12.840 drugs and since he got in trouble for that, he 72 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:17.360 has not been performing, so it seems like they were 73 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:23.319 adequately enhancing him. I just it's half a season, not 74 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:28.519 even of poor MLB performance, and I would rather chalk 75 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:34.720 that up to growth, you know, in an optimistic sense, 76 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.959 as opposed to Victor Scott, the second who maybe his 77 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:40.199 lost season where he's barely I mean, he's only I 78 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.199 guess he's almost played the same amount of games all 79 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:46.240 in all fifty for Victor Scott, where it's been like 80 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:51.680 sixty something for Noelvie. But in the majors. I'm just 81 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:54.000 more afraid of the fact that he's not able to 82 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:59.000 hit the ball with authority throwing in the Cardinals outfield 83 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.319 or just Cardinals development, you know, not to mock too 84 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:07.879 much about their outfield history. The Saint Louis Cardinals have 85 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.439 had with poor performing outfielders in their system who move 86 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:14.879 on to greener pastures and then start performing. But I 87 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:17.759 just all in all, I just trust the skill set 88 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.959 that Marte came with prior to his suspension, and I'm 89 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.879 hoping that all of that performance was not due to 90 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.360 his peds. 91 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.199 Okay, I think I'm going to give you a bit 92 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.879 of a Victor Scott argument, and I'm gonna say and 93 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.079 this is the only pairing where I'm gonna say this. 94 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:41.680 I was low person on both these guys last offseason. 95 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.480 With Marte, I even wrote him as a faller in 96 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:47.720 the third base write ups, which I took heat for. 97 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.160 I got a very scathing email about that from a 98 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:52.319 reader up in Maine. 99 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:57.160 According to his IP address, That's as far as I went. 100 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:57.639 I stopped this. 101 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.360 Sure, who was a fury that? But the thing about 102 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:05.240 Marte is you look at his scouting grades and you 103 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:07.680 look at his performance to the miners, and they don't 104 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:11.839 match up. And I just think that I've always wondered 105 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.319 if the drive has been there and then the PD happened, 106 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.759 and then you know, he's done nothing since coming back. 107 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:22.439 From the PD. Suspension, and I truly. 108 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:24.839 Hope the off season somebody sits down with him and 109 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:27.079 and he does turn it on. I mean, I've always 110 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:29.519 root for these guys and we talk about that, but 111 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.160 I just I haven't seen it in Marte yet, and 112 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:34.600 I just wonder if the if the inner drive is there. 113 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:39.639 And then with Scott, uh, I know somebody was saying, well, 114 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:42.720 at least he's not Billy Hamilton, because look what he's done. 115 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.279 And then I pulled up Billy Hamilton's Double A stats 116 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.879 and they were slightly better than Victor Scott. And those 117 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:51.279 of you who don't remember Billy Hamilton he was came 118 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.519 up with. Uh, I think he came up with Cincinnati 119 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.639 right and bounced around a couple of times, fastest man 120 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.319 on the planet. Practically just couldn't get on base, and 121 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.600 really at the major league level, wasn't able to put 122 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:06.879 the bat on the ball. But Billy Hamilton could in 123 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.800 double A just the same way that Victor Scott could. 124 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:11.720 And people said, well, we have we have more information 125 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.120 about Victor Scott, but we don't know how that more 126 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.000 information compared to Billy Hamilton. 127 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.800 Had we had that at the time. However, the reason. 128 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:23.160 I'm going to make a Victor Scott argument is looking 129 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.720 at you know, for a short time in the major leagues, 130 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:32.079 and I look at his his contact skills. It was 131 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.480 his zone contact and the Majors this year was eighty 132 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.959 six point six percent eighty eight point nine in TRIPAA. 133 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:43.319 Those are very hot. You know, anything over nineties as 134 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.600 you considered very good. And then you've got Luis Arias 135 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.360 who's like ninety nine. That's off the chart. Could and 136 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:54.439 even his his chase rates not that bad. He's swinging 137 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:57.800 at about thirty percent of pitches outside the zone, so 138 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.399 that's not horrible. His his major league bad bit was 139 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:05.079 two twelve. That's not sustainable. And he wasn't hitting the 140 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:06.600 ball hard. He's got some things. 141 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:06.839 To work on. 142 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:10.720 I you know, the first to say that. But in 143 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.839 his triple A babbub this year is two thirty three, 144 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.279 and you look at average is you're going to be 145 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:17.319 around three hundred, and you know, unless you're not. I 146 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:20.879 was gonna say, robbin you out. Christian Yelich here he 147 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.199 brought up before you know who run particularly high babbots. 148 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:27.480 So you know his babbitts and the miners were over 149 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:31.800 three thirty three, sixty I it's a big jump. He's 150 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:34.240 twenty three years old. He's got some development to do. 151 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.279 You can't teach speed. He's got the speed. So that's 152 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:38.720 gonna give me the field hit. It's going to give you 153 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:43.000 the stolen bases. Can't get in either of these guys. 154 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:43.279 Heads. 155 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:45.279 You don't know which system is going to be better, 156 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:46.440 you know, for which player. 157 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:48.000 You know. 158 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.279 Somebody might say Cincinnati should have done a lot better 159 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.840 with a lot of different guys this year, but you 160 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:56.559 can say the same thing about Saint Louis too, So 161 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:00.399 I'm not I'm not quite sure organizationally, anybody's particularly helped 162 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:02.960 or hurt by where they are. But if I've got 163 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:07.200 both on my roster, I don't like cutting the Welby. 164 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:08.879 I think they both got a lot of potential, but 165 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.799 forced choice, I'm gonna go with Vs. 166 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.360 Two and see what he can do. 167 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.399 Yeah, I mean, I'm still gonna stick with the Welvy 168 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:21.480 based off of the pedigree, I guess more than anything, 169 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:27.480 you can hit the ball. 170 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.120 You can make contact, but if you're you know, if 171 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:34.200 you're hitting it softly up the middle or wherever, you 172 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:35.960 can be the fastest man in the world. As long 173 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.480 as the outfielder's able to got plenty of time to 174 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:43.759 run underneath it, you know. But that being said, since 175 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.360 Nowelvie's come back, his average exit velocity, you know, he's 176 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:51.559 got one hundred plus bat ated ball events. He's not 177 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.759 even in eighty seven eighty seven miles an hour. I 178 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.759 don't know that percentile, but that is not fast, you know. 179 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.600 I ideally we're looking for average X of the last 180 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:06.279 That he's eighty nine and above nineties is awesome. So 181 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.639 he's not hitting the ball hard. He's also not barreling 182 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.679 it a lot, and I like to chalk up the 183 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:17.200 humanity aspect. I guess again, it could be some sunk 184 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:20.679 cost fallacy on my end. On my part here, I'm 185 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:22.639 just saying there's got to be something that's not in 186 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:28.120 the numbers. But he's not making good contact, and I 187 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:33.720 think that hopefully with the proper offseason, hopefully then he'll 188 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:36.480 just you know, be put everything behind him and be 189 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:43.120 ready for his first full season, his first second full yet, 190 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.279 or however you want to jokingly say that. So I'm 191 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:49.360 gonna stick with Noelvie. But I I get I get it, 192 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:49.919 I get it. 193 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:53.480 I just want to quickly point out that we're only 194 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:57.039 one matchup in. We've already brought in some economic and 195 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.279 psychology philosophy into it, so uh, stay tuned. 196 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.200 For Greek literature and will geography coming up soon. 197 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.120 All right, our next pairing, let's go to the top 198 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:14.000 of our list, and uh, we're looking at Kyle Manzarto 199 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:19.159 and Curtis Mead. All right, who I think in terms 200 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:21.360 of hype and rankings in the past couple of years, 201 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:25.759 Minzarto was much higher, and in terms of performance, particularly 202 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:28.639 at the major league level, remarkably similar. 203 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:31.559 You know, slash. 204 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.000 Mazardo's slash has been two twenty six sixty two three 205 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.360 eighty three in Mead two thirty eight to eighty two 206 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.759 to eighty seven. Quick note, I pulled these stats last 207 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.840 week last weekend, getting ready for this, and Minzarto's had 208 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:47.039 a really hot week, so his numbers a probably little 209 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.919 bit higher than that as we write, as we are 210 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:50.799 recording right now. 211 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.799 But who are you taking to that one, Chris? 212 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:59.159 Yeah, I'm gonna the man. I can never say the nickname, 213 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:07.480 but Manzil Larian Manzarto. I'm taking Kyle, mister Manzardo. You know, 214 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:13.240 he was all the rage after Vinnie was all the 215 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.679 rage kind of following in that same profile of on 216 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:26.960 base questionable power from your first baseman. But he's, as 217 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:30.360 you alluded to, he's been picking up with consistent playing 218 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:35.519 time in Cleveland the last couple of weeks, he's been 219 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:39.639 turning it on, and I think to me, that just 220 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.320 gives more faith that, yeah, he might not be a 221 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:48.919 top ten first baseman in his prime, but he may 222 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.639 He's gonna definitely be on a first basement or corner 223 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.000 infielder that should be rostered everywhere. Curtis Mead, on the 224 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:02.000 other hand, I have more concern with that just of 225 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:06.600 him being viable in a starting position on the fan 226 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:10.960 at fifteen teamer in the long run, just based off 227 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:15.320 of Tampa Bay and they always seem to have new 228 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.639 hot to trot prospects coming up, and we you know, 229 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:22.559 Xavier Isaac, Trey Morgan, no slouches. Who knows what their 230 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:27.720 future holds, but there's going to be competition, There's going 231 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.960 to be other people that they're going to prioritize with 232 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:37.639 their platooning and whatnot. So I just have more faith 233 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:43.000 that Manzarto will be a consistent first baseman and worthy 234 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:48.080 of fantasy rosters in our fifteen teamers that we focus on. 235 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:53.720 Yeah, I cannot argue with you on that one. I 236 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.120 think this is one where I do look a little 237 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.480 bit more at the organization. Something that picked up from 238 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.799 you earlier in the years is looking at how an 239 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:06.799 organization treats a player. And again, twelve months ago, I 240 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.639 would have thought Curtis Mead would have been pretty much 241 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:12.399 the full time first baseman h this year, and he 242 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:14.759 had again as last weekend, one hundred and thirty two 243 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:18.440 Major League played appearances, and he didn't. You know, he 244 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:19.919 had a two thirty eight to eighty two to two 245 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:21.720 eighty seven slash line with those, so he didn't seize 246 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.559 the job either when he had the opportunity. Uh, you know, 247 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.000 Manzarto had some some issues that kind of held him 248 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:27.879 back a couple of years ago. 249 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.679 I think he's really kind of breaking. 250 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.840 Into his own I think Cleveland does do a great 251 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.240 job of putting the young players in the position to succeed, 252 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.519 and when they're hot, they play him, and when they're not, 253 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.480 they don't really bench him per se, but they'll, you know, 254 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:45.799 they'll kind of cool them off, work with them, and 255 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.519 then then bring him back. They're not They're not forgotten. 256 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:52.240 I So for me, I think it's almost an easy. 257 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:52.360 One for me. 258 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.799 With Manzarto, I think Meat is sneaky one. I kind 259 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.039 of keep an eye on him because he's just the 260 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:02.759 kind of guy might be a good late breakout prosper 261 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:05.639 break up being a relative term, I think with his ceiling. 262 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.000 But you know, it could be there. 263 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:11.519 And you never know Tampa Moose players, and there's no 264 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:13.159 rhyme or reason that some of the trades they make 265 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.919 either that we can see. I'm sure the the organization 266 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.519 knows what they're doing. But you know, me could find 267 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.759 himself in a totally new situation next year and really blossom. 268 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.879 But I think Manzarto is the call there. I see 269 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:27.360 a little. I see a lot of NYP in Manzarto. 270 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:31.080 I mean, I, you know, today, for like, for a 271 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.960 roster for next year, I'll take vn ep. But for 272 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.360 roster for three years from now, I think they'd be 273 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.039 a toss up between the two of them. 274 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:40.559 Am I dreaming? 275 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.039 No? I don't think so. There there's a lot of similarities. 276 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:48.960 I think Vinnie has you know, the few years, although 277 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:51.600 he hasn't had any complete seasons. I think he's had 278 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:57.200 both of them cut short by injury, so he hasn't 279 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:01.320 started banging homers like we were hoping he would develop into. 280 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:07.120 But again, his Vinnie's careers very early on too. I 281 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:10.320 will say I was actually diving in and a little 282 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:11.919 bit as you were talking here. I do want to 283 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.559 mention that Manzardo has only played one game at first 284 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:20.039 base since he's been back up here. I mean, obviously 285 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:27.360 the Guardians have Naylor and Big Christmas who could potentially 286 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:32.720 play first base. David Frye probably is still getting rotated 287 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:37.240 in there, so you know, it'll be interesting to see 288 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:42.919 what happens as they maintain this roster for a while. 289 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:48.720 If Manzardo will finally move to first base and then 290 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:54.120 Naylor takes more of the DH opportunities. I don't know, 291 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:58.039 but I don't I shouldn't consider it a lock when 292 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.519 I when I look and see that that he's not 293 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.840 playing even fifty percent of the game since he's been 294 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:06.880 up there. He's been DH a lot this end of 295 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:11.640 the month of September, so, but comparing Manzarto to Vinnie, 296 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.400 hopefully that we're getting that twenties power from both of 297 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.000 them and as soon as next season would be great. 298 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:19.000 Yeah yeah. 299 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.279 I think one of at least one of Kyle's home 300 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.799 runs this week was a pinch it yeah appearance. And 301 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:30.319 so all right, our next grouping, uh, two guys who 302 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.519 we haven't seen a lot of at the major league level. 303 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:37.880 And I think that these are two they're going to 304 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:40.279 be able to if you're interested in them, you'll probably 305 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:41.920 be able to make a trade for him and get 306 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:43.759 a hold of them without giving up to too much. 307 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.559 One is Jonathan class A, recently traded to the Blue Jays, 308 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:51.720 and the other is Tyler Black the Brewers. 309 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.839 I'm a heugh first again, not like this. 310 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:01.400 You know, it's it's it's this is a toss of 311 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:02.359 this one's tough. 312 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:08.359 I probably with a you know, in a tough situation, 313 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:14.079 would probably go with class A. And that's because looking 314 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.240 at the organization they traded for him, whereas Tyler Black 315 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.759 and nothing against him. It wasn't like he was on 316 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.559 the marketers in hot Water by any means. But he's 317 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:32.240 still within the Brewers and and without a position, whereas 318 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.759 class A is pretty much you know, he's got he 319 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.880 can play a mean center field, left field even better. 320 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:42.279 And it's all about whether he can develop that the 321 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.319 pop enough thump in his back, kind of like our 322 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:51.759 discussion with Vs. Two. Probably only slightly slower than VS. Two. 323 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:54.279 I don't know his speed numbers, but you know, Class 324 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:58.079 A was a big, a big jumper. What was that 325 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:01.559 last year where he had the dominant it run in 326 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:05.400 the lower miners into double A and then he showed 327 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:07.640 some of that pop, the pop that we hoped for, 328 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:13.880 but then that really failed to materialize further, although it 329 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:16.720 looks as if he had twelve home runs this year 330 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:23.480 combined in the miners both Seattle and Toronto, So I 331 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:26.319 would lean. I would go lean Class A based off 332 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.480 of the fact that he has a true defensive position 333 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:34.680 and his team just acquired him, whereas Tyler Black is really, 334 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.759 you know, to borrow the term from the NBA, but 335 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.000 the tweener type where he doesn't have a defensive home 336 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:45.839 and will continually have other roadblocks with the org. They're 337 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:46.640 in Milwaukee. 338 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.599 Black has played mostly at first base this year. In 339 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:51.880 my mind, I thought he's really a third base. When 340 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:52.920 he was coming up. 341 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:56.200 He was second base and third base, I believe mostly 342 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:57.480 until this year. 343 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:00.759 Yeah, they don't bring the both bring a lot of 344 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.519 speed to the game, and so if Tyler Black is 345 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.200 playing first base, you don't often get a lot of 346 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.519 stolen bases out of the first base position. Goldschmid used 347 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.400 to get you a bunch when he was younger, So 348 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:15.559 there may be a kind of a nugget of value 349 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:18.720 there in terms of positionally and your roster composition. 350 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:21.640 You know, neither of them. 351 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.240 Put the bat on the ball a whole lot this year. 352 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:29.640 Blacks got better on base percentage and kind of walks 353 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:32.720 a little bit more. Neither of them have a hard 354 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:34.920 hit rate that it's awesome, But you're right, class A 355 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.599 is I thinks he is going into himself. He is 356 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:39.960 very young. He was I thought he was hyped quite 357 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.839 a bit when he was signed, and he signed at seventeen, 358 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.279 so we've been talking about the guy for five years. 359 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:48.720 But he's still only twenty two years, you know, and 360 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:50.720 Blacks and old man of twenty three, so they're both 361 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:53.119 in the same boat that way. But so I think 362 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.519 I think class A, you're right. I think his ceiling 363 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.680 is a little bit higher in terms of power and 364 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.640 bringing you kind of what you're looking for across the 365 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:04.240 most statistics we were playing with and we'll probably get 366 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:05.920 a lot of playing time in the outfield. 367 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:07.519 I know I've said this before. 368 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:09.640 Everything I keep reading is that Toronto is just gonna 369 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.160 make a lot of moves this offseason. And I don't 370 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:16.160 know if that means signing in veterans and pushing these 371 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:18.839 guys out or just saying, you know, we want to 372 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.279 look like Houston in twenty seventeen to Detroit in twenty 373 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:25.480 four and you know, see what our youth can bring us. 374 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:27.400 And you're laughing. 375 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:27.720 You know. 376 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:32.920 They'll be talking about him for decades. 377 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.880 So but but Toronto may you know, there may be 378 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:39.480 a clean sleep and then and again, I don't have 379 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:42.000 inside information. I'm kind of reading the same things everybody else, 380 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:43.839 But just kind of what I'm picking up and seeing 381 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:47.319 is aside from Vladdie, I don't think they're happy with 382 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:50.079 a lot of their guys, but Shatt is talking and 383 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:52.640 playing his way out of town. Anyhow, I agree with 384 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:54.279 you in terms of the playing time and the power, 385 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:59.519 but I'm not sleeping on Tyler Black and so fourth choice, 386 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:02.160 I'm taking Class A, but I don't love it because 387 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.480 if I had, if I had to hold on to 388 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:06.279 Tyler Black, and I do have Tyler Black roster in 389 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.079 a few teams, and I am holding on to him. 390 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:10.799 You know, it wouldn't break my heart to have to 391 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:13.400 hold onto Tyler Black. But I think claus A has 392 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.799 got a more immediate path, higher ceiling. 393 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:18.400 I have more hope for the power there. Right. 394 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:21.279 Oh, I said it's a tough one. 395 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:25.920 Oh yeah it is. Now the next one is interesting, 396 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:27.519 and I'll let you off the hook. I'll go first 397 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:32.240 on this one, not just because Parker's there, but Parker 398 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:38.079 Meadows and Evan Carter. I was very low on Parker 399 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:42.079 Meadows in the off season. I was right at that time, 400 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:46.359 at the time last year, last last fall, he was 401 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:49.960