Speaker 1: Well, hello friends. Coming up. In this episode, Laura and
Mark come face to face for the first time since
that awkward fortieth birthday sort of snub. I'll call it thing.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen you in a while, I don't.
Speaker 3: Insit each other three weeks three weeks ago plus.
Speaker 1: We dig into Mark's past to see what he's learned,
if anything. Was there a lesson that radio taught you? Yeah,
never going radio, and Laura gets kind of deep.
Speaker 2: I was like on the ground, crumbled in tears, and
then I built myself back up to where I was
like so content, happy by myself, like feeling successful, feeling
like I love where my life is right now. And
so I just don't think I could ever go back
down that far, you know what I mean. So I
would just never allow myself to get to that point.
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Chrysler Dots Jeep Ram. It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast. Well,
hello and welcome. I'm so excited. I wanted like we
had an incident earlier last week, and then I got
an incident. An incident.
Speaker 4: It was just in a little incident.
Speaker 1: And Laura's here and Marcus here. Yeah, I'm very excited
about this because you know, one of the big things
coming up is Laura's extravaganza fortieth birthday party.
Speaker 4: Oh there's a party going out. I didn't know about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean apparently you didn't. And I would like to, uh,
you know, I would like to away play for Laura.
Speaker 2: I love that park right away and knows where this
is going.
Speaker 1: I would like to play for Laura the part where
Mark realized he was not invited to your fortieth birthday
extravaganza and here we go.
Speaker 5: This is uh, this is the segment.
Speaker 3: Twins find a way to play a song?
Speaker 1: So why are you taking? My name is Mark? I
think we get him on.
Speaker 4: I think they should come on, yeah.
Speaker 1: It might be at Laura's party. Oh yeah, what about
that's what? Wait? What what a bunch of uh.
Speaker 4: People have on this show stirring the pot?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, now let it go. I was
literally texting with your buddy Matt right before this. I'm like,
this whole group is all pot stars. We love to
push each other.
Speaker 4: Do you know I want to go down different day?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 3: But see right here, this is a nice I have nothing.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing when someone made a remark to me
that Laura is talking about all this cool stuff and
you want to talk about and you want to talk
about a conspiracy theory about Helen Keller, who someone to work?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
Speaker 4: So what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But everyone here, Laura, Manton and Kevin together with the
me on And it wasn't meant to be an insult, wasn't.
I didn't I disliked anybody, you know, it wasn't met
LinkedIn but everybody you were but.
Speaker 1: Hurt not really, Let's keep it rolling, okay, Laura, Laura Watts,
Laura has thoughts. Yeah, we heard about that little world discussion.
It's gonna be one by is a and one breakfast
burrito for everybody, and it'll feed everybody. Well, you might
have to get Joe his own. Yeah, yeah, joking, jo
Joe's a big he's a big guy. Now we don't
mean that insultingly.
Speaker 2: Oh you know that man can just like.
Speaker 1: But I remember when Laura found out she had a
medical problem. But she's like, I'm putting on weight and
she goes and I always I think it's Joe. He
had not jos.
Speaker 2: He comes home and takes me at nine o'clock. On
his drive home, is like, I'm gonna stop at Tackle Bell.
I'm gonna stop and get a chicken sandwich. Do you
want something? And I'm like no, But then he comes
over and he's sitting on the couch with it, and
then I'm like, give me a bite.
Speaker 1: I need some stuff. That is gonna be a fun party.
I hope you're I hope you're there. That wasn't invited
just to fuck you work? Where Where was I invited?
You should gun in text? I got invite on Facebook?
A Facebook invite. You don't even know if you got to.
Speaker 4: We're going from Laura's to Greg's party and iron smoke.
Speaker 1: Greg I might have to just say what day is
that one?
Speaker 4: I'm going as you're going where I'm going to Gregg's party?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Not hang on, So first I gotta say Facebook. I
it's funny because a lot of my friends don't even
use Facebook anymore. But I was like, how do you
send a party invite anymore? Because some people are on
the internet. I can't text like fifty people. I don't
want to and I don't want to text.
Speaker 1: What well if you did, like okay, because I'm going
are we at an age where you think like an
evite is I don't know, too casual, but an engraved
mailed out invitation is too culty? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, evites. I've had friends who use them. I use
them a lot for my kid's birthday parties. But I
don't know. I don't have everyone's email addresses. I haven't
used them like that. But I was joking at my gym.
I was like, I wish I did like print out flyers.
Speaker 1: Or something flyers Like it's a rager. I just saw
old school when they did the flyers everywhere.
Speaker 2: Like friends, Yeah, did send invitations to via Facebook? They're like,
it's not even showing up for me. I don't know,
so I like asked some people. I'm like, have you
gotten it? And they're like nope. Even my one niece
who's twenty three. You think she'd be on social media.
She's like, I haven't gone on my Facebook in like
a year.
Speaker 1: Okay, here is Uh that was a good butt.
Speaker 2: It was a really nice ass that just walked by.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything seventeenth So what would it be
under They don't know the party. You don't even look
at your ship, so don't worry.
Speaker 4: I did look at my ship.
Speaker 1: Well maybe they didn't get an invite.
Speaker 4: I didn't get an invite it that'd be great.
Speaker 1: Now now here comes some some shit story. Man. You
could go there and probably see you picks galore, do
not you can see you in one of those bonus rooms,
and will we all watch that? Not be watch for free?
I'll put up open some stadium seating in there. Oh yeah,
actually I might let you watch for free. She got
a freaky he never know, Laura might, but that's true.
Yeah you you all right? Wait, now here comes the
ship stirring part. This this is what I thought. I'm
sure you got invited. I didn't. Okay, but you're you're welcome.
What well, No, she did say, hang on a second,
Hang on a second. She said she was only inviting
people that made her happy. Such a dick. Okay, Oh,
I forgot about you, sir.
Speaker 4: In the fire, I was thinking about Cavin and Madge.
Speaker 1: Come on, what a deck. Who's the one who could
always get it? What a deck? She did wrong? Yes, man,
I was surprised. But Matt, that's true. That's true. So
apparently you know. Of course, I'm sure you got invited,
and there's no way you didn't. I just sent her
a text because she likes you and I work that
worked on. I'm sure you do. I know seven days. Wait,
you get a plus one so you could bring Marianne.
Speaker 2: You ended it too early, yeah, because then then Kevin
texted me and it was like, hey, what's Holman invited?
And I wrote, no, there's gonna be too many personal
big personality.
Speaker 4: Which Matt, Matt love him dearly, stirring the pot because
I told him that be TB. I said, you guys, yeah, lord,
you guys, I'll go on another night. Seriously, I go
too many personalities And.
Speaker 3: It was a compliment. It wasn't an insult.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, oh my god, fucking bitch, I hate her.
I'm like, no, people would rather listen to her. When
my friends are telling me that they'd rather listen, I mean,
I really kind of think we should probably go put
me in another direction.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, but on a scale, on a
scale of one to full carry it prom how hurt
word are you that you wouldn't included I was you
feel no doubt?
Speaker 4: I did until the next day, and I didn't give
a fuck.
Speaker 5: Wow, I knew it.
Speaker 1: You knew it. I felt I kind of liked it.
It was good, it was great drama.
Speaker 2: Well, and then I just said I was so glad
because literally that night, Matt text me right away and
he's like, I am dying that you just use the
too many personalities card. I'm like, of course, I'm quick
like and I'm very thankful that Bill picked up on
my reference.
Speaker 1: Did No? I did it? Bill?
Speaker 4: Nobody understood what was you didn't how did you pick up?
Speaker 1: You didn't even know? I can't. I don't know. That
was like a week, but I remember the thing, and
I blamed you it first.
Speaker 4: I said, I said, geez, I tell you something, you
go back and fucking say something I didn't. I didn't
do it, right, I know who did?
Speaker 1: Yeah right? Yeah? But the but the personalities thing, it
was funny. I knew what she meant. I knew she
was just saying it was a funny thing. It was
too many persons. I just thought it was funny.
Speaker 4: You fucking douchebags.
Speaker 2: Why so anyway, So I'm I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna go back to FM radio. No you're not. But
I was just forty. She forgets a few things, now,
yeah right, I mean she forgot to invite you, she
forgets passwords. It happens.
Speaker 4: Well, I haven't been here on Monday, so I forget.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen you in a while. I don't like
you saw each other.
Speaker 4: Three weeks three weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the week after that you said that
there's too many personalities.
Speaker 1: I said that. I said that the day after that.
Speaker 2: Well, then the week after is when Matt told me.
And I'm like cracking up because I know I'm a
lot like I always have that, but I was like, oh,
I was like, Mark hates me because he says too
many personalities. And then I was even telling Bill I
love reading some comments now and seeing how people are,
like I like Mark Moore, I go right back, So
do I love that?
Speaker 4: People say, you know, all the guys, all the guys
love I love you.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, I but then so.
Speaker 3: I Marianne actually mary Anne likes you.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 2: I was so joking around. I told Ma. I was like, well,
mari Anne's invited, so heurplus ones.
Speaker 1: Laura's fortieth were Eventually everyone's invited.
Speaker 2: I literally as long as people come and have a
great time.
Speaker 4: You've been dying to do this, Yes, you've been so
excited when you both agreed to come in, I was like,
this is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: I think it's great in a way. To get it out,
I did, though, take some time to write an invitation
to Laura's party to you, Mark, if you'd like to,
If you'd like me to read it to you, I'd
be happy to do that and Laura can hear it
as well, if that's all right. Okay, dearest Mark, it
has come to our attention, tragically late and with deep
emotional cost, that you were not formally invited to Laura's
fortieth birthday extravaganza. Please accept this hand delivered podcast a knowledge,
spiritually binding invitation as proof that you were always in
our hearts but not on the original guest list story
in my life. This grievous oversight is in no way
a reflection of your value as a friend, podcast contributor,
or occasional bringer of dirty stories. It's simply a result
of Laura turning forty in her memory, becoming less sharp
and more Google calendar dependent. And I saw her Google calendar.
It's color coded. It's color coded. We are thrilled, nay
honored to now formally invite you to Laura's fortieth birthday
people who make her happy and Mark Saturday, May seventeenth,
four o'clock unless you're mad, show up at five. Dress
code forgiveness, casual vibe, joyful chaos with hints of champagne
and low stakes emotional damage, and mark as a VIP
very ignored person your attendance. Your attendance includes one awkward
hug from Laura, unlimited shade, and the last slice of
birthday cake. If one no one's watching RSVP, by saying
something passive aggressive on the podcast, or just showing up
and pretending like it never happened with love, laughter, and
a mild amount of guilt.
Speaker 5: The birthday committee, which is just Laura fun It sounds.
Speaker 1: Like all three, all three of me on Monday, all
three on Monday.
Speaker 2: I wrote that time to write that I love that
I did just send you the invite. You are more
than invite.
Speaker 5: I invited. I knew you were invited.
Speaker 2: It was just so funny, Like I actually had to
go through it again this week because there I realized
that there had been people I meant to invite and
I just did it.
Speaker 4: You did invite on Facebook.
Speaker 2: I did it on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's saying that people weren't getting it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or if there were people who I was like,
oh my god, this is one of my good friends
that I forgot to even click on her when you're
going through it.
Speaker 1: Who deserves milestone birthdays? Like I've never really, I've never
had a milestone birthday party. I haven't. I didn't do
one for forty, I didn't do one for fifty. I
might throw.
Speaker 5: Myself a sixtieth if I make it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, if I make it
my thirtieth. I had just had my first kid, so
I tooty thirtieth. I like one of my friends was
like what are my mom was like, what do you
want to do today? I was like, shower, I had
a three week old, Like I literally there was nothing
I was doing in life, Like I loved it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, did you ever thirtieth? Yeah, it was
like a big bash.
Speaker 4: It was a change friends.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Oh you did too. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was at my brother's by dark Siders.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's when I proposed to my my girlfriend at the
time on my fucking birthday at my birthday party and
she said no no, she said yes.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you just you just avoided that divorce line.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, avoided a lot of divorces.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, we have not been as lucky, right.
Speaker 1: No, Well, who deserves to be like at your milestone,
because you did say it was people who make me happy,
which were honored that that we can be in that crew. Seriously,
but I think there are people that will be at
the party who don't make you happy. We had to
invite it? Who you kind of had to like me? No, no,
like you got well maybe I really.
Speaker 2: I I was honestly really intentional, Like there were some
people that where I was like yeah, and that was
like I don't think that they would be as fun.
I like, I have an inflatable pub, Like I'm gonna
have an inflatable pub in the front Like.
Speaker 1: An inflatable pub I don't even know about that. Yeah,
in the front of the house.
Speaker 2: In the front yard, because it won't fit in my back.
Speaker 1: How big is this thing?
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five?
Speaker 1: All right, I'm not gonna work next Saturday.
Speaker 4: We're going you got please?
Speaker 2: I'm getting I mean, Matt's doing that.
Speaker 1: I would love to hang out with you outside of here.
We haven't done that in fucking years. We went over
the No, we did, but I'm just saying, how do
you do that?
Speaker 4: Let me think about it. No, No, I don't think
about it. I just got to make sure that I,
you know, Marian's probably gonn won't be the one that
wants that's gonna get hammered.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I want to with Mary Anne.
Speaker 4: Oh you guys, she'll you you, She's she's fun. She
went out last night to go see a band and
I was home in bed by seven.
Speaker 1: We had a happy hour yesterday at.
Speaker 2: bTB catering the party for me.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, right.
Speaker 4: And everything BDB does is excellent. Yes, they do yes,
they did the little party room. And I discovered something
though about not being invited to things. I honestly think
because because last night was a it was an invite
for everybody. You know, everybody can see in. I think
they have parties and they don't invite me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that does, I have to admit, because I'll sit
here in my first reactions and asked, so what. But
it does. It depends on who it is for me,
whether it stings or not that truly, because there are
some people. I mean, you think of it this way.
It's like if someone calls you up and goes, hi,
I'm never calling you again, and you have no idea
who it is, and I you know, for the rest
of your life and slams the phone down the.
Speaker 5: Old school style, you wouldn't care.
Speaker 1: But if it's somebody that it's sort of like you've
gotten to know these people, people, you like them, you
hang out with them, you've opened up to them a
little bit, and all of a sudden you're not included.
That's stings.
Speaker 2: People that you like are going to be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you like look at it and see like, oh,
that's a good group of people, Like that's gonna be
a fun time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm going on my third year. I'll
be going on my third year there. Yeah, and there's
just people that just maybe because I'm older, I don't know,
because I'm a lot older than them than most of
the people that are there. Yeah, so I don't know.
There's just people that I don't know if it's because
they've heard about me, you know what I'm saying, if
they heard you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Greece.
Speaker 4: Greece is a very very very big small town, small
a little small you know, everybody knows each other. So
I just wonder what people what people really.
Speaker 1: Hear about you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want I'd love to hear it what they hear.
I did say one time that everything is that whatever
they heard about me is all true.
Speaker 2: People talk about me. I just don't care. I just say, like, I.
Speaker 7: Literally don't care who who says it about you, Like
outside of here, a jealous girl, the woman who.
Speaker 2: Called and tried to sue because I told the story
that was true.
Speaker 4: And that comes out all the time, and you just
get and you look. I like like that I didn't
he was that.
Speaker 5: I have no idea, but like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people will be like, yeah, Laura did this,
Laura did that, Like somehow some of it's true, some
of it's not. But I'm not going to let any
negativity affect me. Is that a word negativity?
Speaker 1: You said negativity? I was like, wait that, I kind
of like that better. I didn't mean to be like
that was a thing about my father. I just meant
it like, oh, that's an interesting way to say it.
Speaker 2: Or there's rumors and I just I don't even yeah,
engage in that.
Speaker 1: I've been the same way on radio everything. I just
didn't even care.
Speaker 4: It's just did in our whole life, for my whole life,
for six years, was on you know, it was on
the radio, just like yours was. Yeah, and it's like,
you know when we did fucked I did fucked up shit,
and it's like, but that was thirty years ago, right,
so you know a lot of people listening to this
and you know, yeah, I did fucked up shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but actually we all did know we could, we could.
Speaker 2: Tell of our story. It's what makes you you like
you learn from these things and it's I don't know,
it's insight into who you are.
Speaker 1: It is insight to who you are. And I think
that what I loved as I got further into my
radio career was developing the people not on air, showing
them is more of the three D that they are
versus the character on the radio kind of thing. I think,
to me, that is so much more relatable and authentic,
and that I would say if radio taught me the
value of being human, vulnerable, you know, and authentic and
it's okay to have these flaws because somewhere somebody's going
to relate to it. And I, you know, you can
say all the stuff about Laura, and I think Laura's
fantastic too. But I have had people say to me,
I didn't know Mark, and I love him. I love
when he gets himself all worked up and his hands
start going like I hear that, and I hope that's not.
Speaker 5: An insult to you.
Speaker 1: People really like you. And that's what I like, is
that because to me, this podcast, you know, people go, oh,
you do a podcasts. What's it about? Right?
Speaker 5: What's it about? Because everybody does a niche.
Speaker 1: Thing about nothing? Right, Well, I guess it is. I
guess it is about nothing. But I would say, like
it's about sort of yeah, eavesdropping on a on people's lives,
you know, get invested, learn something. Yeah, like you somewhere
along the line, you'll learn something. Mortgange Wing's going to
be there, one of them. Maybe, right, we didn't even
invite them. Oh I got a ship. I gotten what
We shouldn't say that in a mic.
Speaker 2: But like, I haven't seen them in a while, like,
and it's sort.
Speaker 1: Of that would have been awkward. I would have I.
Speaker 2: Would have blamed the invite to them right now.
Speaker 4: I would have blamed man. I would have said, freaking,
this is this guy talking all this ship about you guys,
and you guys agreed.
Speaker 2: I mean, I text them, but I haven't seen them
in a long time, honestly, Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, why don't we take a moment? I would I
have a lot of different angles to go today because
with Laura turning forty, and Laura has been very open
on this podcast, and I have some questions that she
knows exactly where I'm where thinking of going. But I
don't want to embarrass you. You can also say I
don't Yeah, I know you don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well do just Joe get pissed off?
Speaker 2: Though no Joe is so Joe has known this as
how I've always been like, I know, the first few
times he listened when I was on, He's like, whoa.
Speaker 1: Because then his boss was listening awesome.
Speaker 2: And he was like, maybe you shouldn't listen. But like,
I'm just I'm never gonna hold back. I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not ashamed of any part of my life.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's a really really, really really good way
to live. Yeah, yeah, right, that that is how it
should be. I'll ask you Mark to think about this too,
because you and I are similar aids. So what you've
learned in your fifties that you couldn't have grasped at thirty,
just think about that like something that you could I got,
I know, I figured, he did.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, so sorry.
Speaker 1: That is I'm sorry that was just Come on.
Speaker 2: Can we have a follow up from the last five minutes? Yeah,
that Mark has now accepted our apology invitation. Nice taken
off of work for next Saturday. Yes, and it's pretty
much booked. One of my guest rooms pretty much, or sleep.
Speaker 1: In the car. The pub, the inflatable pub. Yes, what
is this?
Speaker 2: Okay? So if you it's instapub on Instagram.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: My friends purchased this and they did. They do it
as a rental, like you can rent the inflatable.
Speaker 1: Pub and they'll come and set it all up.
Speaker 2: They come and set it up. There's picnic tables, you
can get a bar, there's a bar, there's you know.
Speaker 1: A little fence.
Speaker 2: It looks like a small like in Ireland.
Speaker 1: No, it looks like Fairport Brewery. Yeah, I mean that's
what it sort of looks like with the Yeah, but like.
Speaker 2: A small pub and Ireland, so they rented out.
Speaker 1: When you have a bar, is it a real bar,
it's not an inflatable bar.
Speaker 2: No, it's real bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And but everything else is inflatable with this structure.
Oh okay, so wow, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it won't fit in my backyard because it's twenty
five twenty five, So in my front yard. Do you
have a bartender or is it like, no, I'm not
gonna do liquor. Yeah, no, licker liquor is gonna.
Speaker 1: But like I was thinking, beer, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do beer and seltzer and then champagne.
And so I'm have a bartender.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I just know wine.
Speaker 2: Huh. I may have wine. I'll have champagne, but I
don't want to have to deal with mixing and everything.
But yeah, so we're just gonna I'll just have coolers.
Like I said, I'm gonna have McCarthy do some high tops.
So I just I literally want you to walk in
and just be like fuck yeah, here we.
Speaker 1: Go, Fuck yeah, here we go. You even talked about
putting a bounce house in the backyard.
Speaker 2: The bounce house, I'm gonna try that. I have like
an inflatable slide. I have a lifeguard.
Speaker 1: You had a lifeguard with no bartender. I love that.
Speaker 2: Well because I want my friends to be able to
party and not worry about their kids in the pool.
Speaker 1: There's any kids there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, but my kids are ten and eight.
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go streaking.
Speaker 2: Probably that's what Lucas would shrink with you along, we
can run. I live the street that I live on.
I live on a circle and it's like zero point
three miles. We could do like relay where you says
where you have to do a shot at the end.
Speaker 4: Or there's a video of a girl on mile I
amnue run around naked.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw. I think it was a hooker.
It was definitely trying to escape a situation, is what
it seemed like things got bad. She's running naked. I
saw that. Oh yeah, what does it say too? Because
since you brought up Instagram that I've been getting in
my feed lately, how like a Tito's bottle? Right, somebody
buys a Tito's bottle of vodka and you add kool
Aid packed to it. Mix it up, so you got
like a grape kool Aid and they and they say,
pour that, put in a little bit of like lime soda,
and you have like a summer drink, summer coacta. And
now I'm sitting there going.
Speaker 2: That sounds fantastic, but yeah, that would be really good.
Speaker 1: Right, or or let's say it's not. You don't need
kool Aid, all right, maybe kool Aid's two powers. I
don't know, but try it. Yeah, Like, buy the bottle,
add the stuff, mix it up, keep it in the freezer,
add some lime soda. They had like a little flour
a couple of blueberries drink.
Speaker 2: Have you seen that thing about Sauvignon blanc and frozen jalapenos.
They're saying that that's supposed to be like a fantastic mix.
Speaker 1: Wait, frozen halopenos in your savinil blanc in savin Blanc, Well,
Savignion blanc is pretty sugary, right.
Speaker 2: It's crisp. It's a crisp white.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it like it's I drank a lot in
the summer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. And I love I love like that
spice a female.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: But like I know you drink wine too, and I
mean I love wine.
Speaker 1: I've come to love wine. And I owe somebody in
an apology and I'll just say his name out there,
Chris Crowley, who I used to make fun of for
drinking wine all the time.
Speaker 5: I apologize now because I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm going on Webster today has this thing called the
Webster Wine Walk, and it's from four until seven.
Speaker 1: Is a bunch of wives bitching halfway there.
Speaker 2: I'm going with a group of couple couples and while
it's twenty five dollars, you get a glass and then
you go to at least ten vendors and they give
you drinks and like snaps samples of food and stuff.
Speaker 5: Wow yeah this so maybe I'll bring.
Speaker 2: My own jalapenos.
Speaker 1: It could be pretty good. Yeah, Mark, you have seen
people at their most raw and exposed from like being
a pub owner. You were co owner of pob while
in the DJ booth, I say DJ both, but in
the radio all the things you've done, like everything you've done,
and it's kind of like been watching from a one
way mirror sometimes I.
Speaker 5: Got a thing, but what is it?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't mean that, but but what have you
learned in your fifties now that you couldn't have grasped
in your thirties? Do you think?
Speaker 4: Well, let's put it this way. Let me use let
me use a movie and TV to explain the answer.
The other day we watched I was in the training
class about how to talk to you know, students and stuff,
and they showed us the clip on the Breakfast Club
where the teacher is saying the bender is giving him
all the detentions. Yeah, and I'm watching it and I
remember being thirteen years old watching it going, well, the
guy's a dick, you know. You know. Now i'm watching it,
I'm looking at Bendroom. What a fucking punk? Yeah, you know,
I look at that differently. When I watched Friends, for instance,
I hated Ross. I thought he was a dumb, stupid character.
Now I watched it back, he's my favorite character. So
why is because he's fought me. His lines were funny,
which I didn't understand a twenty something, and he's just
you know, he was it was just as what he
was saying, how he was saying interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, so you appreciate some things differently.
Speaker 4: Because you just yeah, you you change and you see
things in a totally different way.
Speaker 5: Well, see, that's the thing I always I mean.
Speaker 4: I still don't get invited to parties. I didn'tet invited
the parties when I was you know, it was when
I was eleven and and I'm getting invited to did
he get invited to high school parties? Well, well they're
up the street, so I would just go up and myself, Yeah,
I could see.
Speaker 1: Well I always think, like, do we ever really change?
And I go, yeah, I think you're not the same
person you were like two three years ago. No, right,
all the experiences in life that you have and just
the way you see and you're right, you see things
maybe differently or for what they are, right, you know
what I mean. Do you have any regrets when you
look back or do you just go I was all
part of the evolution.
Speaker 4: I do have regrets. There's a lot of regrets, but
it's also things that I wanted to do right and
I did it, and it's you know, and uh, I
guess I shouldn't say regrets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like regrets. I wish I handled differently
that's a great way. Like I think regrets, you learn
your lessons. It's part of your growth. It makes to
who you are. But there are definitely things I wish
I handled differently.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of things I wish I had handled
differently too.
Speaker 4: I think I see a time warn on the way
too long. Okay, I hated I hated that job towards
the end, but I knew. I knew that they were
going to get rid of us and give us a severance.
So I hung I hung on for the last five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was common? Yeah, but I'm going man mark
poor drinks probably once in a while, you know, just
for managed. Bar was in radio, dabbled in radio sales,
which is I'll say dabbled. I don't know. I liked
radio sales.
Speaker 4: It was easy for me because I was selling something.
I was selling something that I was on. Yeah, you know,
I mean that was selling for you guys. I wouldn't
sell for Bill because I was mad at him.
Speaker 5: So it would be true.
Speaker 2: I have a friend who's in radio right now, and
she was saying, how a place that she was trying
to do like a deal with personally, They were like, well,
can't you just mention us on the radio, and she's like,
you don't understand how like radio works. And they're like, well,
why can't you just say us on the radio? She
was like, look, I'm just going to back out of
this agreement because you guys are not understanding.
Speaker 1: Only one person get away with doing that. Yeah you know,
yeah that's true. But you even dodge bullets literally yeah
yeah at the liquor store.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck yeah, I fucking place. But but if it
wasn't for that to happen, I wouldn't be where I
am right now.
Speaker 1: This is right, That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's
all part of the evolution, because it's Laura saying I
have no regrets. There are things with my older boys
I wish I had done differently, or I had more patience,
or I paid more something, and you go, but it's
all part of the evolution. You didn't know it then.
You weren't trying to do something that was gonna not
fully benefit everybody.
Speaker 5: You just didn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like even the things that you regret or
you know, wish you would have handled differently, you learn
things from them. They teach you stuff about yourself and
I don't know, like there's nothing that I would fully
take back. It's just yeah, you know, things taught me
what I want in life, you know, and what I'll
never stand for again.
Speaker 1: Wow. That's a powerful statement right there. That's very powerful,
like that I'll never stand for again. Wow. Are there
is there one thing and without prying to it to say,
you can say, are there several things you wouldn't stand for? Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1: What would be just one that's a little more innocuous,
but something that people could relate to.
Speaker 2: I would say having a passionate romance, like just having
passion in love with your partner, like and I sadly
see so many couples that there's no passion there and
whether and they're like, oh, it's because of the age
of the kids, and I you know, I don't know
if you can blame that on everything. Like I'll also
I'll never put myself in a position where I feel
like people are demeaning to me or talking down to me,
don't treat me as an equal or you know, respect what.
Speaker 1: I have respect in some way, right.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I think some people sometimes even with
my business, they look and they're like, holy shit, that's
what you do. Like they don't realize what I do
and what I have built, right exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there something you won't stand for? I'm trying
to think of like something I wouldn't stand for, because
I think, I just I think there's things I wouldn't
stand for. I just avoided. Like I.
Speaker 4: No, I don't even regret, but I wish did I went.
I wish I was a teacher. I wish I was
much Debt's where I went. I didn't realize that that's
what I liked, that I liked and wanted to do. Yeah,
I don't have kids. I thought I didn't even like kids.
Speaker 1: But you're you're more than that. Like you're giving emotional
support to kids who need support.
Speaker 4: You know, and these kids all you know, these kids
mean a lot. I mean they do, They mean a lot,
and it's like, you know, I just think. You know,
being in radio was so cool in the nineties, right
because we got to do everything. Yeah you know what
twenty something year ol didn't want to do?
Speaker 1: That? Was there a lesson that radio taught you? Yeah?
Never going radio? I loved my time in radio. I
didn't hate it. I didn't I didn't hate it. You know,
I had a different, slightly different path, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you get you know, they pay you as
little as they possibly could, you know, and.
Speaker 1: Well they do you start out. I mean, I think
my first year in radio, I made fifteen grand when
I was in my first Yeah, a long ass time ago.
It was my salary in nineteen ninety four of mid nineties. Yeah,
it's not much more than make it out and yeah,
so that was that's how it started. And when I left,
it wasn't It wasn't that at all. Yeah, but you knew,
I just I wanted to do it. I I didn't care.
I was just happy someone would pay me to do it. Yeah,
I didn't care.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like it's the goal that you set for yourself.
Speaker 1: That eventually you want it to be. That was it.
That's all I wanted. That was all I wanted. Yeah, Yeah,
I liked it for a lot of different reasons. And
then as I got in, Uh, I found out those
reasons weren't the ones I really you know, it evolved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in goals can I think people set goals for
themselves when they're younger, and then as you age, as
you get all these life experiences, your goals can change.
And yeah, I mean there was no looking at my
band aid? Is that what I did?
Speaker 1: Look at your band aid? Earlier? I liked that college
I was. I was. I was having a thought honestly,
like I didn't. I will tell you that, and then
maybe you can relate to that. I don't know if
you can, because did you You were part of shows?
Speaker 4: Well I did. I did on Saturday nights when no
one else until they decided to go automated, no one
else wanted. And Saturday nights from seven to midnight, no
one listens to the radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, except for my mom. There were people using radio.
Speaker 5: They called it.
Speaker 1: The PR levels was very low for this town. But
uh yeah, I think for I just lost my train
of thought because I had what we were talking something
that radio taught me.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was saying, when you set your goals, but
your goals can change as you go through life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think when I started in radio, I didn't
realize how boring it was.
Speaker 2: You had a glamorous picture in your head.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't that. It was like, I wasn't a
big music guy. My parents didn't play a lot of
music in the house. Occasionally there were a lot of
like show tunes and things. When my sister started doing
theater stuff, and so those would blast throughout the house
and I give a shirt, and there was some Simon
and Garfunkel, but my parents weren't like really kind of
into that stuff. And I liked the personalities I heard.
I liked the funny people. I liked the guys that
did these theater of the mind. I could see it.
I could see all of it. So when I started,
I started on the original hits, the forties, fifties, and sixties,
playing like the Frank Sinatra Hour and different stuff. And
then they had me do fill in for the morning guy,
and I had to be all serious and then if
I was good, they were going to put me on
their FM station, which was the rock station I wanted
to be on. And I started, and I was doing
for the summer between my junior and senior year at Fisher.
I was doing midnight to six for the summer, so
I would go in my shift would started midnight at
gustas well. In a way, it really was and I
wound up not going back to Fisher, and I stayed
for the rest of that year. I did midnight to
six and then I eventually went back to Fisher the
next year, and I would get bored. Man, I would
get so fucking bored playing music like I hated it.
So wow, yeah, well, I thought.
Speaker 2: You liked well because it was talk.
Speaker 1: No, I love talking to the listener. So I started
doing shit like I didn't know what to do. I'm nineteen,
twenty years old, twenty I must have been twenty one.
I had turned twenty one that year that summer, so
I was twenty one and I would I started Who's
Up and Why at three o'clock and I would get
people to call up and they would tell us why.
And one lady was the shit shepherd at a local thing,
and I learned that there were blue laws, so you
could let a shit fly over the radio and that
get tagged by the FCC. If ever it was after
ten and before seven am or five am or something
like that. So I let that go. I thought that
was the coolest thing I could do on radio, right,
let her say shit. I had this one guy who
always called up talking about he couldn't sleep because his
girlfriend dumped him a couple months ago, and that he
would call so frequently that I started playing everybody hurts
underneath him. And then I would end am no yeah,
rim and then I would end the phone call because
it was taped.
Speaker 5: The phone call was taped.
Speaker 1: I would do this while the music's playing, right, and
I thought this was very high humor. At twenty one.
I ended it with a gunshot, just fucking and then
I would just have a dial tone play can't do that,
you can do that now. And so then he'd call back,
like the next day or sometime. I'm like, oh my god,
he's alive again. Oh what'd you miss? I did that?
I used to have aliens that would come down from
the space. I could not do straight radio. I fucking
hated it, man. And then when I came and I
CMF Stan, I sent Stan Maine a tape of me.
I had aliens landing and it was me through a
harmonizer and they're eating the yellow snow and I'm thrown
up and I've got callers and I've got all this shit.
And he calls me up and goes, hey, we do
five hours of funny radio day.
Speaker 5: Can you do straight radio?
Speaker 1: And I'm like yeah, And so I did for like
a month and he let me do it. Yeah, And
then he just let me kind of go after that.
But that I couldn't. I couldn't do the long music stuff.
That's why, like even afternoons and things, I love taking
the calls. I would just take call. I'd never listen
to the music that was playing. I would keep an
eye on.
Speaker 4: Oh you can get some really you get some really
fucked up people.
Speaker 1: Oh what late at night? You know? For sure? I
used to give out the lampshade a shame the people
who did something stupid during the week. I had these
kids call up once and told me they took a
ship in the town of Rynebeck Pool, And my father
was so mad at me because he heard that on
the radio and they they said, shit, and you're awarding that,
You're awarding that they're doing something disgusting in the town
that people have to clean that up. And now yeah yeah,
But to me, it was like, yeah, I found what
I wanted.
Speaker 2: You should have something like that here, What do you mean,
like callers call in and leave voicemails of the craziest
thing they did.
Speaker 1: That week, and then we could do the lampsade of shame. Yeah,
bring it back. That's a great idea.
Speaker 5: Actually, I never thought of it.
Speaker 1: I never loved that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, if every day you like tell a
different story or whatever, and then at the end we
all vote.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we just play them back. Yeah, just call
that five A five two O six eighty eight sixty six. Yes, calm,
we'll start doing the lampshade of shame. Give it's the wildest,
craziest thing that happened to you during the week. Yep, yeah,
whatever's going on? I love that.
Speaker 4: God, I have nothing. You asked me, what's the craziest
thing I did? Was I went to BTV last night?
Speaker 1: Oh for this week? Yeah, yeah, the craziest thing. I
don't know that I did anything crazy this week. It's
been stressful for me lately.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little stressful. So that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm out a different part point in life. It was
crazy a couple of years ago. It was fun.
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't do anything crazy this week. I
had some like very interesting things happened with work. But like, oh,
I just yesterday afternoon I looked at a forty four
hundred square foot house, complete horror, one point five million
dollars in Pittsford, Like it is going to take me
months and months. I quoted them fifteen thousand dollars and
they were like, yeah, we understand. Months months, I'll.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's what you quoted them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like this house is. But it was just like
it's one of the craziest homes I've ever seen. Wow, Wow,
this is the basement.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's just the basement. Can I hold
it up to that? Yeah, but it's it's somewhat organized.
Oh but you can move around in there.
Speaker 2: You can move around, but it's boxes and boxes. They've
lived in this house since nineteen eighty nine, and there
are boxes that we're never opened from their move in
nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Wow, time capsule man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even know what the hell's in down there.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's true. That's crazy. All right, Well
we'll uh, we'll take a moment. Laura turning forty hits
everyone differently. I don't think it's a bad thing for
Laura so far, but I would say what clarity certainly confidence,
and Laura does have a little curiosity.
Speaker 5: I like that. I know, I know we will get
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Speaker 5: All right, look into it?
Speaker 4: Are we doing the show?
Speaker 5: I wasn't going to do a show there. I think
it gets too crazy.
Speaker 1: I told you, I know, but I just I think
I think Kevin had a good point and lugging it out.
We'll do something taping earlier that day, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean you could always set it up
in like the dining room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, But I think I want
to go and just enjoy the party. I don't want
to be worried about did the camera's fall?
Speaker 5: Did I got lung? All this ship in.
Speaker 1: So we I think also, I will put pictures up
with your approval on the website. Things, but I would,
I would.
Speaker 5: I like to enjoy it. I don't want to get
too crazy.
Speaker 1: But I don't like to Okay, I gotta well, she's divorced,
she's a mom of two, she owns her own business,
she's crushing it. She's like one of the women to watch.
She's in a committed relationship, right, but I know that
Laura has and it's been talked about on this podcast.
The swinger lifestyle is is curious to you?
Speaker 4: And now explain what what you what you would curiosity
what your career eyes because there's different types of.
Speaker 1: Swing ycause okay, yeah, no, I'm sorry to interrupt. What
I would say to that Mark is it's it's a
great question, but what would your first ideal experience, if
you were to experience it be for you?
Speaker 2: It's not as much just your vision, no judgment, as
much of a swinger as the voyeurism. Okay, I I
would love to have somebody watch Joe and I.
Speaker 3: Joe wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Really not know.
Speaker 2: And I also think it would be so hot to
watch another couple like It's not as I'm not as
interested in the partner swapping like okay, okay, just like
the openness of it. It really turns me on.
Speaker 1: It does the op the openness of the voyeuristic aspect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I've said, my fantasy is literally like police
interrogation room and knowing that there's like two tons of people.
Speaker 1: Behind the yeah, one way mirror. Wow, So that makes
you what would make you Let's say there was something
like that. But see, this is where I am always afraid,
not afraid. I believe sometimes like if you're so turned on,
like there's a couple things. I think for a lot
of young guys, I think they get so turned on
in the moment and then they not and they go,
oh fuck, I gotta get out of here, like they're uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: What were they doing? They don't know?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're young, right, you don't have the
maturity on how to handle the situation young, yes, But
I think a lot of those guys, let's say it
does happen, they handle it better or they don't, you
know what I mean. It's like, I fuck it, reme,
I'm a human being shut off a little early today.
But what I'm saying is like in those situations, sometimes
you would lose and all of a sudden, like do
you find yourself with the another couple in some way,
or if someone comes over and starts I mean, who knows.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I don't judge it. I just
don't know what my levels would be. But like, I mean,
I've talked to some of my close friends about it too,
and they're like, Oh, I can see you doing this,
I can see you.
Speaker 4: In that, But would it be would it be with
someone that you know?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so I had a friend who.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, if I asked, so, if I asked
this question, I'm going to say, it has nothing to
do with me. It's just a question that I want
to ask because I think people.
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm going to jump all over you? Yeah, okay,
I can't wait.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, like the person because would you let someone
watch you that you know? And I'm asking a question,
that question because I because because he wants to.
Speaker 1: Well no, no, I'm kidding you.
Speaker 2: Finish yours, because then I'll I'll have a foul. I'll
tell you a follow up story.
Speaker 4: Well, I want. I always knew the girl.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the guy.
Speaker 4: I didn't really not every once in a while I
knew both, but it was always the girl.
Speaker 1: It was my it was my comfort zone.
Speaker 5: Okay, so that was right and not the not the guy.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It made it easier that way, sure, because guys can
also be territorial uncomfortable change her mind.
Speaker 2: Weird happened once I had a female friend asked to
watch me and someone Why wait.
Speaker 4: What don't she can't talk about this on I.
Speaker 2: Miss something a different name.
Speaker 1: We'll go with Jake A friend.
Speaker 2: One of my female friends wanted to watch me and Jake,
and then she was like talking to Jake and was
like I would want to help Laura orgasm, like could
I touch her while you two are going at it?
And like the two of them made the plan without me, Yes,
but he won't unless we have the dart board. But yeah,
I was like, oh, I'm sort of intrigued by this,
Like but that was the two of them, like made
this plan?
Speaker 5: Did it happen?
Speaker 1: No? No, disappointed you were?
Speaker 5: You were into that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, look, just well I'll just say this, Just talking
about it as though it's not taboo is somewhat of
a turn on for Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I and like I just talk openly about it.
I mean it's so funny, like I have people. Matt
sent me a meme today. I was like, yep, that's me.
Speaker 1: And just be weird, like if you did go to
a party. Let's say you went to a party and
you were allowed to just be with your partner and
everybody knew this, they were all accepting of it, and
you just wanted to say, then it would be weird,
like if you're in the school drop offline and it's like, hey, Jessica, Well.
Speaker 2: That's why I was saying that I know someone who
went up to Toronto for these types of parties. Oh
they would, yeah, And I think that that's safer for honestly.
I also I'm like, if it was not good looking people,
I would be so turned off. I'd be so turned off.
And I think that that's what it most likely is.
It's probably not great looking people. Not great looking like
cleanliness or the smell, Like I feel like I would
be so turned off. And that's why it's like, is
it so much hotter to me? Because it's a it's
just this ideal or idea of like of what it
would be like, where if I actually experience, I would
be like gross, what.
Speaker 1: If there were people in your circle that felt the
same way and wanted to like that person? Yeah, I
don't know, yeah, Like then it would be different, like if.
Speaker 2: It was people that you if you even done anything
like this, Like yeah, Joe has been like, so are
you going to start your olding fans?
Speaker 1: I'm like, turning forty used to mean buying a wrinkled cream.
Speaker 2: Oh, I give both talks for that.
Speaker 1: Now now it means googling how to discreetly RSVP to
an orgy. It's like, you know what I mean, It's like,
wait a second, what's going on?
Speaker 2: But I think like another friend of mine who's a
couple of years older, who is a single woman. Her
and I have talked about it, and she's like, do
you think as many people are as like kinky as
we are? I was like no, She's like, I actually
think that they are. Just nobody talks about it. Where
are people who have no shame?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that in certain segments of the population.
I think people who maybe people who divorce or get
out of a relationship realize that there's an important maybe
that was missing, and I think they're much more forward.
Speaker 5: Now, will they change if you've got any commune?
Speaker 1: I don't have no idea, but I hear stories of stuff,
and I could see where that would be a big thing.
I don't know. I'm not sure that I like I
think I could be talked into going, and then I
get there and I'd fake an allergy.
Speaker 5: And have to leave.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I want tonight huh yeah, yeah,
well I do.
Speaker 4: But but when I just miss here.
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go to some to a galla, I
don't even know where it is.
Speaker 5: I have like a complimentary.
Speaker 1: Ticket and a table set up and where I don't know.
It's for an event. I don't want to see part
of this. No, no, no, So I'll tell you off, Mike.
But I said to Laura, I go, I have so
many things that I need to do, and I need to,
like I'm sorting in that mode today to get stuff done.
Speaker 2: But there are times that for my mental health, yes,
there are so much I need to do, and I
get that's when my like ADHD gets overwhelming, because then
I get that mental freeze and I can't focus, and
so I go and do something completely different, whether it's
going to yoga, read a book, like go out and
take myself out to dinner and have a glass of wine,
because I just know that I'm gonna sit here and
sit here and be so frustrated, and then I'd rather
wake up early the next day at five am and
get some of the work done.
Speaker 1: Then, right, I understand what you're saying. I have been
in that freeze. And what I'll do is, I'll watch
I'll just I'll rewatch old movies. I'll do something the
complete waste of time. I'll turn it into a slug
and melt into the couch. And I'm like, I gotta.
I have things that are so deep they're a giant
crater at the moment, and I gotta, I gotta hustle,
just work some stuff out. But that aside, I probably
should consider going. I should give them out. Oh yeah,
I don't know. You know what they say though, Curiosity
kill the cat.
Speaker 2: Right, that's when I'm afraid of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But satisfaction brought her back, and she had a
new safe word, so I guess that's a little different.
Speaker 2: And I were saying, like, you need to get someone
on here to talk about it.
Speaker 5: I yes, I want to do that.
Speaker 1: If there is anybody who is a swinger or in
the lifestyle and is willing to come in. You don't
have to be on camera, we can, but to have
you here to talk about the lifestyle and what it's
like and the what you need to navigate the pitfalls.
That sort of thing would be interesting how you got
into it, right, What was the first step? Because I
think like the number of people that are intrigued by
swinging but won't admit it could fill a stadium.
Speaker 2: Yeah right right, you know, not even just swinging, but
like intrigued in going beyond their partner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably going beyond their partner without wanting to not
be with their partners, which is another weird thing, but
there is that actual or the voyeuristic being.
Speaker 2: With your partner having that's more me like, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Can fill a stadium with then twelve people show up
and three of them are all named Rick. You know
what I'm saying? Mark, like that, that's what it would be. Yeah,
the safe word you Joe said to you he thinks
you're gonna start an only fans?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Like he like as a joke, as I would say,
is like he was.
Speaker 2: More like, are you gonna are you gonna do an
only fans? Laura?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: I think he wanted care, but you.
Speaker 1: Don't think he'd care. No, Mark, would you care if
you were with somebody that had another fans? I don't care.
Speaker 2: He was like, how much money. How much money? Who
are we making?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: How much money are we making?
Speaker 1: Oh? He would join you on it?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't think he would.
Speaker 1: He could put a bag over, said, he can be
bag man.
Speaker 2: That was brought up with someone too. What doing only fans?
Speaker 1: Would you do that? Really?
Speaker 4: You don't do neons? So do you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I mean no, I'm asking because we had we had
this conversation.
Speaker 1: Wait what we had this? Yes?
Speaker 4: I don't yeah about.
Speaker 2: Suggest suggest like yeah, if I was getting money for it?
Speaker 1: Okay, so they did this.
Speaker 2: I mean I enjoy yeah that, like I enjoy the sexiness.
I enjoy everything. Like you hear you hear on one
end how much money some people can make, and you
hear on the other end it's not really worth it.
It's like would it be worth it? Like my business
is successful, I'm fine, Like, but it's like, man if
I can make another like twenty thousand dollars a year
by uh you.
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, do what I do anyway?
Speaker 2: Exactly right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could do one called undercover of the night
and you could just have the night vision cameras.
Speaker 2: Don't see your face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck thing you could do you in jail.
Speaker 4: I think there are people who see that fucking paying
for it. I want to see you charge.
Speaker 1: You, all right, night vision.
Speaker 2: I've had friends be like, organize your health in the new.
Speaker 6: Yeah, ooh ooh, oh wait, oh my god, that I
bet would work.
Speaker 1: I know, I bet it would work. I think if
you did a straight up how to organize what, I
would do what you need. Here's the best way with
the closet.
Speaker 2: And that's not sexy to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1: How about that? They just did this thing in Australia
where they surveyed fifty four thousand people, so it's a
big sample. Ninety two percent of them said that they
would break up. They consider it cheating if their partner
starts to subscribe to somebody's only Fans page.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Well, well, and but take it this way, because we
could say there were people who said things about porn
right probably in the past too, like that that porn
is cheating or whatever.
Speaker 4: Oh Mary, I'm would be pissed if I was on
somebody's only fans.
Speaker 1: Well, because the only fans is a little bit different
in that I chose to spend money on you, and
to me, there's something like the loyalty economy, Right, I'm
loyal to this only fans person. I'm giving that person
of money. I like, you know, if we're low, I
like blonde chicks, whatever. I you know, So I don't know.
I just I wonder, like, is it could have not
for you? You'd be fine.
Speaker 2: I mean unless like someone that you're dating. So say
I found out Joe was spending link two hundred dollars
a month on one specific account, I'd be like, what the
fuck you?
Speaker 1: Well, well, you idiot. But but that's that's what they're saying.
Speaker 2: I would not.
Speaker 1: I would not be yeah cool with that, because there
is this thing when you know, when the affair is
a subscription, is it an affair?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're subscribed to five different girls and you're
spending one hundred dollars a month on porn, but watching
all different.
Speaker 1: Of them and a variety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if that's what floats your boat, go for it, like,
don't get overly involved with.
Speaker 1: Only eight percent of the people said it was normal
in a relationship to have somebody have a subscription to
an only fans page. But I'm not you watch porn? Yeah,
but that could be that's just nameless, faceless.
Speaker 4: Think about OnlyFans. Is that someone you can find somebody,
you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can find You're right, you could find somebody.
That's pot That is a possibility for sure. And the
other is I do wonder if you get.
Speaker 5: To know these people a little bit.
Speaker 1: Is there some a little bit of an emotional connection.
I know that sounds weird, but you know, all of
a sudden, like, hey, what a tough day I had,
you know, outside of here, I'm doing blah blah, and
you're like, oh, man, Sherry's a uh you know, Sherry's
a dentist. She's a dental hygienist. Yeah, and you know,
and she takes a water pick to herself.
Speaker 2: And or like you know what I mean if you
request like individual images and you're yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know, because it becomes like
emotional currency in a way that you're spending and I
could totally see where that would the argument could be
made that that's more cheating than oh I've heard yeah
the old playboy.
Speaker 2: I mean, emotional affairs are just this pretty much the
same as physical I think, in a toll on a marriage,
like it's just as painful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that that's probably true. I always
said that, like, I didn't really have any female friends,
especially when I was married, and I would have done
this with anybody mark uh, but I did. I always
thought like, because if you start bitching to someone of
the opposite sex about your marriage, I think I think
that erodes a little bit and all of a sudden
gives you a little bit of intimacy to that other person.
You know, she's treating like shit again, Come here, hey Bill,
let's meet opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Guys do that too. Though, guys, guys do that, I
think a way more.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 4: I might have done it one or two times.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did, I do. I think guys do that
way more. And I almost think it sometimes starts innocently, no,
you know thing, So I don't know. I'm just thinking,
like I think sometimes guys are dumb and then they're like,
you know, I think you're.
Speaker 2: A guy is complaining to a married woman. Yeah, maybe
it's innocent. When I had people knew I'm recently divorced
coming up to me talking to me about like problems,
I know exactly what they were, trying to call them out.
Speaker 1: Why do you think I'm a naive? And things.
Speaker 4: A guy a guy. Most guys, Yeah, we say this,
this is gonna come out the wrong way. A lot
of guys that have quote friends as girls. I have
a lot of friends and our girls. Yeah, but you
get that. You you know how to write. But most guys,
they're friends and girls daviould bang them?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's what I mean. And so
I always tried to just I was, I was just
you know, yeah, I try to be cool about stuff.
Speaker 5: To cool.
Speaker 1: Well you know, I mean that's all, that's just what
we do. All right. Well, take a moment. I don't
know whether to bring a swinger to your party.
Speaker 2: Or happy birthday?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, if they popped out of the cake.
Speaker 4: I mean, what if I'm thinking of something?
Speaker 1: If I bring a swinger and then you had to
watch me and her, I couldn't do it. I could not,
But I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I know someone else who would be busting on the door.
Speaker 1: No one is busting down doors, thank god. A legend.
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but he's a well known quarterback. And he announced he's
retiring today.
Speaker 2: What kind of story I f Yeah, what has he
been in the league for eleven years.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but what leads to that decision and how
hard is it? And this is where having a steady partner,
I think for most guys and having the female perspective
is super helpful. So when you're emotionally cheating or cheating,
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Speaker 3: How the fuck it did not happen, though I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't an I won't say it any again.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, yeah, geez yeah, so you know me hearing
the two of them talk about that, I'm like sitting there.
Speaker 1: Like hyper fenna. Ladies, I know, I know you can't.
There's not a lot you can say, right, really is
There's really not. We'll go in a different direction, but
sort of circle back to the fact that you don't
want to. I think men are more reliant on women
than women are on men for emotional needs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: I think women rely on women sometimes too, because you know,
you just don't get it anything. For guys, we don't
really talk. We won't open ourselves up to other guys.
So we open ourselves up to our woman, a woman
that we're close to, and that becomes our our thing.
I really do.
Speaker 2: Joe and I have joked around and he's like or
he's like, if you ever break up with me, I'm
gonna sell my house, I'm quitting my job and I'm
moving to like the Jersey Shore, and like, I'm like,
if you broke up with me, I'd be fine, just
like I'm resilt resilient.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, he's zil what's in that fucking cup? Yes?
Speaker 2: You know I could be okay by myself, Like I
love you, I don't want to it's water. I don't
know why I couldn't say the word resiliet.
Speaker 1: That's fine, you're three one five the uh, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I just I don't think I'll ever allow myself to
get hurt by another guy.
Speaker 1: Really, how do you?
Speaker 2: But it would hurt, It would hurt, it would be devastating,
My kids would be a mass But like, I know,
I prove to myself I can do it on my own,
and I know I would be okay. I'd be like, okay,
if you're not happy, you're not happy.
Speaker 1: Do you think if you talk about that sort of
stuff that you're either soothing the fear or it's kind
of out there, like I think somebody doesn't really see
this going long term.
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, no, not that I just think
I have a have a barrier that I'm never going
to fully allow someone else in again. Really, Yeah, as
much as I love him and everything, as happy as
I am, like I went through what I think was
still like the worst.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not a good way to live either though, right, No.
Speaker 2: Because I'm very open I love him, like, but I
don't think I'm ever going to be able or be
as hurt as I was.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, because we're going.
Speaker 2: To break me down as much as that day.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 5: Is that just your resilience, you're.
Speaker 1: Something you learned from that relationship that makes you's a
stronger person or is it like there's a section of
you that's just like you're not getting in here.
Speaker 2: I was like on the ground, crumbled in tears, and
I built myself back up to where I was like
so content, happy by myself, like feeling successful, feeling like
I love where my life is right now. And so
I just don't think I could ever go back down
that far, you know what I mean? So I would
just never allow myself to get to that point.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Interesting? Interesting look that mark? Right, Derek Carr is
retiring thirty four years old. I think he was going
to miss the entire season. He had a rotator cuff
entry and they something's labor. I think he was with
the Saints now okay, and he had an eleven year career,
and I don't know. It gives me a couple of things.
I always wonder, like you're always told play through the pain,
play through it, you know, and there are bonuses and
things like, oh god, that is such a brutal sport.
He was like I wouldn't put him as a top
tier quarterback, but he was a good quarterback. Yeah, he
was a good Like he was pretty good. I wouldn't
say great. He wasn't a josh Allen Mahomes level, but
he was like right under that. Yeah, and uh could
have won I guess a Super Bowl. I mean anything's possible,
but uh, yeah, he said that he did this whole
thing and it was a lot of talking to his wife,
right that, like that was his person to go to
and I go, Yeah, that makes sense. And I think
that's why a lot of guys who get divorced seem
to get in relationships faster than some women who get
divorced too, don't you think. Yeah, And I think it's
that that it's this. It's not so much this, this,
this sex and stuff like that, because it's this. I
think that's the more. And that's that's intimacy, which isn't
necessarily good either. No codependent, but there is that thing
where I feel most comfortable talking to and when you
listen to me, I feel as I feel loved or whatever.
I don't know, because I would think in a major
decision like that, Yeah, absolutely, because I feel stuck sometimes
and I've talked to the pillows and the walls and
I don't know. Cube, Yeah, I'd spin my Rubi's cube around.
I need a Lucky eight ball to help me make decisions.
Speaker 2: You're into cubes now?
Speaker 4: I have like thirty? Now, Holy, that's not hurting. Marianne
bought a shelf farm.
Speaker 2: Their collection Is it all different?
Speaker 1: One?
Speaker 4: Yeah? They have like some superhero ones they have, they
have like Disney ones. I didn't know stuff I didn't known.
Speaker 2: How quick can you do it, then.
Speaker 4: I can do one. I can't do it very quickly,
but I can only do one. I can only stop
one so far.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's all black.
Speaker 2: Well have you show. I'll show you my son the
next week. You can do it in a minute.
Speaker 4: He kind of the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lucas is obsessed.
Speaker 4: You must be good at math.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's brilliant. He's yeah, incredibly intelligent because the kid.
Speaker 4: How old is he?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That sounds about right. Because the kids, the kids are
selling in class, they're just you know, like nothing to it.
Speaker 2: I think his best time is fifty three seconds.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't even get it one side in fifty
three seconds.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could either.
Speaker 4: Yea, well I gotta, yeah, I gotta. They're all different.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I could be doing worse things, right, absolutely,
you have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, spending money on Rubik's cubes is PG.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but maybe even g But she jumped in that
that's hoarding. What what is hoarding? When are you a hoarder?
Speaker 2: Well, if you are collecting items that you're not really using,
So are you using them or they're like them? They're
decoration there, I.
Speaker 1: Use some I use some some some. Some of them
are now out of the are going to stay in
the box.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I bring him to school with me.
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess you're interacting with kids.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I guess that's how it all started.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think thirty is a lot.
Speaker 4: I'm still done. And it has to be a Ruby's cube.
It can't be a knockoff.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, what about like different shapes, because Lucas has
a triangle one too.
Speaker 4: Right, But yeah, I have that one, but it's not
a Ruby's cube. There's a triangle Ruby's cube. It's smaller,
so there has to be.
Speaker 2: Actually, you, you will fit in great with the ten
year old.
Speaker 1: I do. But ten year old he is one that
you put in the freezer and it's all black. It's
all black, and then as it warms up, the colors appear.
Speaker 4: It's called the it's called the phantom.
Speaker 1: It's the fan.
Speaker 4: Can't even do it at first, You can't do it first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta do it to warm it up.
Speaker 2: Lucas will mess it up as much as possible. He
looks said it for like five seconds and then he'll
be like, go, yeah, he's consistently right around a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good. That is pretty good. That's uh.
But I'm stuck in this horror thing. Like I wonder
if I'm a horror horder.
Speaker 2: Well, I just showed you a video.
Speaker 4: Being a being a hoarder. My mother was ad, what
like in my closets?
Speaker 2: Are aman can get rid of things you have? Do
you have a hard time getting rid of things? Or
if you're like saving something that's broken or not useful
and you're like, oh, well, maybe I'm going to fix this,
or maybe you know, I'll use this in the future,
or I could there's this one project I've been meaning
for this far, and you're just unwilling to get rid
of things. Yeah, is it tipping over in your house?
Do you have piles?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean I have some piles. Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1: But what about like, okay, so I'm not into collecting anything.
But I'm learn what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's also a difference between hoarding. There's five
levels of hoarding, but then there's just clutter that everyday clutter,
and a lot of people that's all that it is,
is just having a lot of clutter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you have a lot of clutter that
you haven't got rid of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of times you just need a boost.
If you're a hoarder, you have a hard time getting
rid of stuff. A lot of my clients just have
a lot of clutter and they don't know where to start,
and so they need me to come in and sort
of sort, purge and then organize them. Where the hoarders
are the ones who are like, oh, I can't get
rid of that. I can't get rid of that. I
have to say that, like, you know there's the this
is a missing tupperware top, but I know that the
bottom is somewhere in.
Speaker 5: The Yes, yeah, you just throw it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, just fucking throw it out, use tupperware.
It's stained, it's stayed mic yeah, melted plastic, Like, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's me. That would be me. I'm like that when
you move, I'm gonna have togu. Yeah that's true. I am.
Speaker 2: Yes, set you up for success.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, like I have so many areas
right now, like everything is just coming at you at
once and I and I'm like, fuck dude, but the
yeah I do that? What about like kids? Art projects?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what do you do the kids do
not want their art projects. So I tell people to
keep a bin for your year, like and if the
kids go I call them purgatory piles. Like the kids
put their stuff in a purgatory pile for the week.
The weekends, you go through it, you look through it
with them, maybe you save one item out of it,
and then it goes in like their file for the year.
Then I love filing cabinets. I think that they're great.
You can do little Manila folders and have like like
to me, I have cam kindergarten cam first, cam second
like and I'm saving. I only say I don't really
care about their homework. I don't care as much about
like their little doodles. Anything that's a creative mind when
he writes a story, when he's like doing something that's
truly him is what I save. And you know, it's
very very minimal, because the kids aren't gonna want to
look through their shit when they're thirty.
Speaker 1: No, no, they're gonna tell you see how much goes home?
Oh yeah, yeah right, oh yeah, And so it's like,
what do you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah. You can also get like art folders where it's
like a frame. It's a large frame and then you
can they're deep though, so you can put some really
cool art projects in there and then sort of rotate
what's towards the front and have it hung up where
it's like displayed and appreciated but preserved. I think things
like that are really cool. But you do not need
to save onto everything. But then I do tell people
to get like I can't even think of the name,
but the boxes and things that your kid may want
for their lifetime. Keep that, but it should just be
one like small canvas box that's pretty sturdy and you
can do like you know, first communion things, anything that's
really really worthy that when they go to move on
and our adults and have their home, they can keep
that box to show their children. But their schoolwork they
are not going to give a shit about.
Speaker 1: There's many layers to Laura, you know what I mean.
There's layers.
Speaker 2: There's my business layer.
Speaker 1: Theyah the business layer, the organizing that's those are great tips.
Those are great to have.
Speaker 4: Definitely, yeah, I would never have I think like I
can't get rid of my shirts.
Speaker 2: I don't see my kids are they they are so
much like they got gifts for Christmas that last week
and we went through their bonus room and they're like, Mom,
we're never going to use these. I'm like, okay, so
we'll get rid of them. Like whereas moms would be like,
use that. You just got that as a gift. We're
going to say that, and then it's just gonna stay
stay there because the kids aren't gonna want to use
it and you're gonna get frustrated. Instead, No, go sell it,
like sell it on Facebook marketplace if you want, and
just get the money and then give your kid that
money if you feel bad and have them purchase what
they want with it.
Speaker 1: You know, just don't tell And Carol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I woantn't even care. I'm like, that's not
what Lucas is really into right now. Right now, he's
more interested in Jan's gift or gift gift.
Speaker 1: Gift gift. You know it's coming up next week, regift Birthday.
Speaker 2: I hear that I'm getting a mug of a coffee,
mug of Bill Falling asleep on Kevin's Scouts.
Speaker 1: I went to Kevin's house again, and I fell asleep
in this chair that was massaging me. And I've been
exhausted lately and working a lot well yes, but and
that's why I need to change some things. And I've
been stressed to the max lately. Take over the show.
Speaker 5: Yes, fine, we uh, we'll close.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the party though. I can't wait
to see this. I am the pub. I'm excited to see. Yeah.
I didn't even know that was a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I've seen instapub on Instagram and
it's just like they rented it out. I think this
summer for like a winter party or last winter.
Speaker 4: And wah, how many bathrooms do you have?
Speaker 2: Four?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: Where the do you live?
Speaker 2: I have a big house.
Speaker 1: That was the greatest four.
Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna waitach bedroom has its own mark.
Oh no, no, no, no, we're just kidding. This should
be fun. I'm excited. You're going now, Yes, now that
we got the official Marianne's coming. Yes, yeah, I've got
a chambong with her shambong.
Speaker 5: This is the what is that again?
Speaker 1: Chugging champ.
Speaker 4: She's a Laura fan. She looks Laura.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Laura's it here Team Laura. Yes, Laura. All right,
I gotta go deal with some drama for Laura. For Laura,
who's celebrating her. I can't wait for the review of
the party, the whole thing for the soldier. Great job
as always coming in. I like it on on a day.
Speaker 4: Like I think we should think we should do it again.
Speaker 5: We'll do it again.
Speaker 1: I'm Bill Moran. We'll see you Tomorrow's.
Speaker 4: California baby, Things of god Worth.
Speaker 1: He's a landa opportunity for me. Is just a curse
that judging make us be