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Speaker 1: Hello friends, and welcome back to the rabbit Hole. I'm

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your host Danny, and today we have the pleasure of

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having Andy Hunt on the podcast. He is the host

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of the YouTube channel Control Alt History, which covers mysteries,

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government covered ups, the esoteric, and the unexplained. He does

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deep dives into odd things that just really don't add up. Today,

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we're going to talk about the Challenger explosion. Did the

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astronauts actually die? A lot of you have requested this

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from me. He has already covered this, so I asked

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him to come on the podcast and explain to it

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was this whole thing fake? And also how does this

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connect to the Iran contra scandal? Because it does. Hi, Andy,

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thank you so much for coming on the rabbit Hole.

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I'm really excited to talk about this Challenger thing. I

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don't even know what to call it, like a scandal, mystery.

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Speaker 2: I guess you could call it a conspiracy, but yeah,

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I think is probably a good word.

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Speaker 1: You run a YouTube channel, why? Okay? Yeah, I have

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a question. Actually, why do you only do it on

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YouTube and not also put it as a podcast.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I've actually had a couple of people

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ask me to do that. And I mean a lot

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of it's just kind of like a time thing. Yeah,

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I mean, it's just more work to I, you know,

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just even struggle with like posting on social media.

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Speaker 1: That's really funny that you say that, because like I

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was told that I should start posting on YouTube, and

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I was like, gosh, that's so much more work.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's like posted on Rumble, post it on YouTube,

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post it on Spotify. Do social media just only so

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many hours in the day, so I understand. And plus

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a lot of my videos, you know, they're kind of

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like visual, like I show a lot of like newspaper

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articles and things like that that kind of dot document

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what I'm talking about, So.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: You can't really see that on Spotify. But yeah, I've

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actually had requests to do it on just upload it because

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some people say they do like to just listen to

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Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't. I didn't think that people would watch

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the videos, and then they do, and so I was like, okay,

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well there you go. Yeah, so I have not dove

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into the Challenger explosion at all. So I'm really excited

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for you to explain this entire thing because it has

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been requested several times by so many people, and so

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I'm just gonna let you take it away, and I

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will ask questions as they come up, because I will

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have lots of questions.

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Speaker 2: I always okay, yeah, yeah, all right. So yeah, I

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mean everybody obviously probably knows the Challenger explosion. It was

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probably the defining event of the nineteen eighties. Happened in

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nineteen eighty six January nineteen eighty six, and uh, you know,

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there's seven astronauts who were supposedly on board who died

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and then like this didn't come out and for about

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twenty some years, I think it was around like two

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thousand and nine. It was just like a series of

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random Internet message board posts where people found basically like

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doppelgames like lookalikes for each one of the astronauts. In

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a lot of cases they had the exact same name.

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In every case, like the age matched up, where if

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you just added twenty years to the Challenger astronauts age,

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that added up to the person that was found. And

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a lot of people had just like really you know,

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obscure names like Richard Scobi, which is a very you know,

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obscure last name, and there was a Dick Scobi who

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was on the Challenger flight and a Dick Scoby who

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was found it looks exactly like I mean, a couple

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of them are.

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Speaker 1: Like they didn't even find that hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a couple were close, but like some of

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them are just identical. Then Dick Scoby want is just identical.

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odd name, and so, you know, people just kind of

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pointed this out and it was like, well, i mean,

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obviously the Space Shuttle exploded. I don't think that's in

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quite you know, there's video of it and everything, but

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the question is, what were these astronauts actually on board

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or you know, it was the whole thing a show,

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there's a lot of videos out there about it. It

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was a big deal when it was first found.

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Speaker 1: It's well then everybody, like everybody's watching this all around

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the world, right in the US because the teacher was

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on board, right, Yeah, they had like all the all

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the students in like schools were watching this.

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a professional like that. So they actually had a big,

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like nationwide contest where people submitted, you know, reasons why

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they should I guess, or there was like a questionnaire

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to fill out something like that, and she was actually

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just chosen out of everyone. I actually find it pretty

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suspicious because you know her name. There were supposedly just

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thousands upon thousands upon thousands. Her name is Krista mccauliffe. Okay,

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name is Terry mccauliffe, and he was like, he ran

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Hillary Clinton's campaign. He's really in tight with the Clintons. Yep.

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he like he has a military background as well.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you that if like she's got

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a family member that's in the military exact.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he graduated from Virginia Military Academy. He's a judge.

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was New Ham. Sure, you can find pictures of him

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with the Clintons and Joe Biden, so it's kind of

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a connected family. And so I found it a little

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odd that of all the people, she just happened to

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be the person who was you know, chosen at random.

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was just really publicized a lot because she was the

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first civilian in space, and you know, there's all these

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things with her training, all these features on her and everything.

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much every you know, school in the nation brought out

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TVs and you know, kids watched it and then the

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specially exploded and you know it was, like I said,

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it's kind of considered the defining moment of the eighties

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and so yeah, and it took about over twenty years,

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weird is like people say, oh, this is such a

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big thing, like there's no way they could have kept

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it a secret. But this was twenty years until anyone

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uncovered just and you know, the guys were using the

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same name, they look alike. Yeah, and you know it's

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not like it just people spotted this, right away.

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Speaker 1: It's so for it to well, and we didn't have

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the Internet, so like it was easy to find people, right,

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so they probably thought that they could hide them easier.

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without the Internet, you could easily easily hide people, Oh god,

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so easily. Yeah, yeah, I mean even back then, you know,

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like people just things happened and people just forgot about them,

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Challenger astronauts were, probably of them would have no idea.

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remember the names. Now you can just google it. But

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like why would you look for them?

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Speaker 2: Right exactly?

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Speaker 1: That all you've like all of sudden have been found, right.

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of died out. It was it was a really big

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deal for like right when it was discovered because It's

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interesting because you can find the original like internet thread,

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the message board thread when this was first discovered, and

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initially it was just one person finding there. They just

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found one person. Yeah, like this is really weird. Like

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there's this person who looks exactly like the Challenger Asternat

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who died twenty years ago, and he's got the exact

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same name. If you're like, yeah, that's really weird. And

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then somebody else searched for one of the other astronauts

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and found another one, like wait, here's another guy. And

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then someone's like, okay, these two are potentially still alive.

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these doppel games and look alikes for everyone, and like

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and same age and everything. But I did a video

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why they would, because you know, that's that's a good question,

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is like, well, if they did something this, if somebody

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was behind doing something this massive and faking these desks

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I kind of speculated that it could have been sort

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of tight end with Iran Contra, which Iran Contra was

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like this this massive, massive scandal in the eighties. Most

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people have probably heard of it, but I mean it

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involved the highest level of power in the government, George Bush,

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potentially even Reagan, all these CIA people. Naturally, I mean

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and I mean it was just it's just crazy how

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massive Iron Contra was. And a month before the Challenger

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crash happened, there was a crash of a US military

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flight in Gander, Canada, Okay, And so that's like Newfoundland,

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so it's kind of on the far east side of Canada.

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it's the worst air disaster in the history of the

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US military. Wow, And no one's ever even heard of it,

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the plane because it was in it was in the

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the mission that these people were on were guarding what

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a peacekeeping mission, and so they were guarding this border

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controversies with it is like, well, what exactly were these

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just like a peacekeeping mission, because you know, Iran's right

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up to you know, get rid of some witnesses or

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get rid of some people because the whole Iran Contra

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nineteen eighty six, and this plane crash happened in nineteen

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eighty five. And Iran Contra though, the thing that eventually

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like it took off and then instantly like it would

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have had to blow up to kill those people, because

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you take off, you can land right right back, like

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even if your landing gear is not working, like you

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can just like scoot that thing right across. You're gonna

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be fine.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, and I might be wrong on that twenty

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second number, but like it.

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Speaker 1: Happens, like but still you're not that far off the ground,

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like you can I know that.

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Speaker 2: Thing, I know. Yeah, there was all this evidence that

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it was broken, that it was blown up, like, uh,

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they're like the people on board were found with all

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this carbon monoxide in their lungs, which indicated that there

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was an explosion and they inhaled the smoke as opposed

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to the plane just lost control and air and then

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crashed into the ground, right because the impact would have

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killed them. They wouldn't have you know, breathed after dying

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in the impact bus the cabin, you know, the other

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thing of the cabin was filled with smoke and they

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inhaled that. Yeah, they were like charred bodies found in

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areas that weren't you know, burnt at all on the ground,

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and so that indicates too that they were charred in

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the air and they fell down. So there's all these

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I mean, it's a whole massive mystery. But yeah, it

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was the worst air disaster in the US military history.

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hell happened, Like you find out, like we don't believe

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this story. The government's covering something up and making all

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this noise. There was a ton of media coverage initially,

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like after it happened, because it was, you know, such

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a tragic thing. It was just right, just a day

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or two they're flying home for Christmas, so it's just

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like a day or two before Christmas. You know, they

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were all American soldiers, and uh so it was a

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big deal, like right after it happened, and then a

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lot of media coverage, newspaper articles, magazine articles, all that,

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and then what happened was like a you know, about

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a month later, the Challenger explodes and everyone just forgets

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about the Gander crash. You know, it just totally pushed

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it off the front page. They were like congressional investigations

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into those got totally buried by the Challenger investigation and

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the Challenger crash, like you know, it just totally. So

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I talked about the movie Wagged the Dog. I don't

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know if you're familiar with I haven't seen the movie. Yeah,

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but the movie is about like a president's facing a

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sex scandal right before the re election, right before the election,

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and so what he decides to do is declare a

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fake war on a foreign country to divert the media

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attention towards this war as opposed to the media focusing

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on his sex scandal. So he's basically like creating this

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you know, big elaborate story to push his sex sex

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scandal down in the news because especially back then, like

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we talked about, like before the Internet, you know, there

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was only newspapers and magazines and you know, nightly news

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broadcasts and you can only cover so many articles in

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the you know magazine that's one hundred fifty pages.

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton actually did that with his sex scandal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is there is, Like, yes, this I.

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Speaker 1: Mean I think it works for multiple instances because Bill

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Clinton actually actually did that with Monica Lewinsky.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean the exact literally the exact same thing.

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Because I did a video just about the movie Wag

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the Dog, and I called it the most important movie

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of all time.

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Speaker 1: I watched this video, and I like, I still have

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not watched Like I have not watched the movie. I

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need to go watch it. I need to just go

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watch the movie right, Like I just need to like

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take the time to do it right.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's crazy how how often I think

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like that. You can, like it's pretty blatant that it

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happens in real life. And I think there's a lot

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of instances like this Challenger thing that very well could

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be you know, instances like that where they're planned out

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to hog up a bunch of media attention and divert

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attention away from some other scandal or some other story

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that you know, the people behind them do not want

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the media and the public to focus on, right, because

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it's always usually public pressure or like media attention that

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really busts, like a scandal open and you make ensures

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that it doesn't just fizzle out and talked about for

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a day or two and then disappears. And uh so

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that's why what I kind of like speculated about the Challenger.

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like why would you know you just blow up a

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space shuttle. I speculated, like, well, you know, since it

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because the media coverage of the Challenger exploding was like

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unlike any event in the history of mankind, Like it

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was on the cover of every magazine. There was a huge,

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huge investigation into what happened, and there were like a

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million different explanations at one point.

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Speaker 1: And there's all this scandal following it, right because like, Okay,

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so I'm actually working on an Nostradamis episode which kind

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of has no connection to this. It does actually, so

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he may or may not have predicted this Challenger explosion,

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but there was all this scandal after the Challenger that

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like the military contractors messed something up and there was

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like oh rings or something rings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that was the story that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like this blows up and you're like, okay, what

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an o ring? And don't get me wrong, they're important,

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but like one thing caused the whole ship to blow up.

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah, it seems really hard to believe, but yeah,

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I guess it was just so it was like unseasonally

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cold in Florida on that day, Like you can kind

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of see them like icicles forming on the outside of

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the shuttle and everything. But but I think that was Yeah, they.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't make these o rings like able twist stand that

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because once you get into space, right, they would like

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it's cold. Yeah yeah, So it doesn't make any sense. Okay,

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Florida might have been cold that day, but they're going

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up into space where it's cold.

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Speaker 2: It's very cold. Yeah, okay, I no, it's weird. And

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it was weird because there were just so many explanations afterwards,

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and like this person or this company or this person

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was to blame. No, this person was to blame, No,

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this person was. So it just the whole media coverage

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of like what caused it, it just dragged out forever. There

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was something called the Mitchell Uh I think that I

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might have the name wrong, but it was like the

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Warren Commission. Oh yeah, And it was like the Warren

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Commission always yeah yeah, And you know a bunch of

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important people were, you know, on the commission, and they

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investigated it and did this whole thing, and there were

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all these media updates and press conferences and so it

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really did just hog media coverage forever. And I mean,

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no one has ever even heard of the Gander crash,

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which you know, is wild to me because like I said,

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two hundred and fifty US soldiers died in it, and.

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Speaker 1: Under like what was happening in the days following the

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Challenger crash, Like everyone's focused on this, right, Like what

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other things were they like sneaking and like doing behind

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the scenes because they're like, oh, nobody's paying attention to

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us right now, so let's go ahead and do all

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these weird things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah past some legislation. Yeah, I know, yeah, it's it's crazy.

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So so that was kind of what I speculated. And

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I also did a video on the moon trips back

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in the oh yeah, sixties and seventies, kind of wondering

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there was a great video in like a similar vein

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as the Challenger one, because you know, there's always been

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a big controversy over where the moon landing's legit or

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were they faked?

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Speaker 1: Do you think they were legit?

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Speaker 2: I would lean towards no. No.

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Speaker 1: Why why is your opinion?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Because I know, I like obviously know my opinion, and

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I know a lot of people's opinions because people love

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to share it, but I'm curious about yours.

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Speaker 2: Well, So there's a couple of really interesting statistics about

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moon trips, and I talk about. One of the absolute

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most fascinating one to me is the Moon is I

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think it's two hundred forty one thousand miles from the Earth.

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I think that's the number if I recall correctly. And

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from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy two, we made

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that two hundred and forty thousand trip mile mile trip

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six times. It happen six times into three years. Forty

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thousand miles. Yeah, Allegedly, since nineteen seventy two, the farthest

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that anyone has been into space is about two hundred miles,

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So you're talking one to one thousand of the distance

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that we traveled three times from nineteen sixty nine to

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nineteen seventy two. In those fifty plus years, no one

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has gone one one thousand, and to me, the interesting

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thing about that is it's not just NASA, you know,

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because there's all these other space programs. Japan has a

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space program, China has a space program, Russia has a

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big space program. There's all these private companies, you know,

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SpaceX and whatever, the Jeff Bezos, Blue Thunder or Blue Origin.

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You know, there's all these space companies. You would think

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somebody would do whatever the whatever it takes to go

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back to the Moon for the first time in fifty years.

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You got all this money, I mean, every single.

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Speaker 1: Everybody putting money into it.

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Speaker 2: Right absolutely, and every you know, I mean, Russia would

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absolutely love to, you know, stick it to the United States,

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and they're China, stick to the United States go back

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to the Moon when we supposedly can't anymore.

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Speaker 1: And they came home and they destroyed all the blueprints.

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They're like, we're done, We're never going back there. Right

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Then all of a sudden, they're like, let's just destroy

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everything because we're never gonna want to go back there

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ever ever. Right, wait a second. I have two theories

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about this. Either we went to the Moon and we

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found something really horrific and they came back kind of

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like Antarctico, how like we can't agree on anything, but

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we agree on Antarchsica, and everybody's like, okay, we're not

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going to talk about that. Nobody's allowed to go there,

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only scientists, right, Like every nation agrees on that. It's

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like they came home they were like, let's get everybody

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together and we're gonna agree as a world that we're

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never going back, which is not the case. Everyone talks about, oh,

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we're going to go back to the moon, well or

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we never went in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, it's one of the two. Yeah, that

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makes the most sense. But what was interesting was, uh

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so I kind of talked about that in the video,

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how weird it was that, you know, no one's been

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one one thousands of the distance that we went six

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times back then. But what I talked about that I

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found interesting. And there's a writer his name is Dave McGowan.

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He's a pretty well known writer. Yeah, so he would

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did like a web series about the moon landings that's

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really really good. And what he kind of talks about

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and that is how every moon landing over that three

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year stretch just happened to really coincide with like a

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really major event in the Vietnam War and like a

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really controversial thing that was going on with the Vietnam War. Interesting,

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and so like you know, the Vietnam War was just

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total insanity, Like I mean, it's just crazy the stuff

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that was going on. And uh so, a lot of times,

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like you know, and and it's like every instance of

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a moonship there were seven moon tips because there was

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also a Paul thirteen that didn't make it there, right,

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Yeah it went yeah, but yeah, and every one.

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Speaker 1: Did it go up and then explode or it exploded.

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Speaker 2: On well it was in because it was the it

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was the movie. There was in it was somewhere in space.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I get confused between that one and

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the Challenger, and like one of them exploded right away,

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one of them didn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Challenger exploded right away.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm like, there's too many shuttles

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to keep druggings.

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Speaker 2: And but yeah, it's really interesting because all seven of

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the moon trips they coincide with like really controversial events

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that were going on in Vietnam. And there were even

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people at the time, like back in the late sixties

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early seventies when the moon trips happened that we're saying,

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like all these moon trips are is just bread and circus.

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All it is is just a way to distract people,

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like right, and because they were like you talk about

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the Challenger having a lot of media coverage, freaking the

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moon trips were just ridiculous, especially the first one. You know,

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the first one was just unlike any media coverage event ever.

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00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: Like how like everybody's talking about that, right, you go

474
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,920
to like a dinner party and people like, oh about

475
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,440
that moon landing though, Yeah, like that's like the thing

476
00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:10,279
to talk, not.

477
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,599
Speaker 2: Talking about Vietnam War and people dying. And yeah, because

478
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,680
one of the crazy things about the Vietnam Wars, there's

479
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,200
like this program, it was called the Phoenix Program, which

480
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:26,160
is like this brutal, brutal program where US soldiers were

481
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,599
trained to like torture people for like prisoners for information.

482
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,920
And it was like a psychological thing where even they

483
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,920
were like instructed to like dismember bodies and put them

484
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,279
on display to like terrify people into not helping the enemy.

485
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,920
I mean, it's a whole complicated thing, but a lot

486
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,759
of the couple of the moon trips coincide with these

487
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,599
like really important because the Phoenix program was unknown for

488
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,920
a long time and then this couple people and it

489
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,960
came out and were like, you wouldn't believe the type

490
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,279
of thing we were being trained to do over there, like.

491
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: It's connected to Ultra and like.

492
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,799
Speaker 2: I imagine it is. Yeah, I mean it'd almost have

493
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,119
to be.

494
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: There's something about it that I recognize, but I can't

495
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,640
put my finger on it.

496
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,079
Speaker 2: I bet it yeah, yeah, I can almost guarantee it was.

497
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,039
But uh yeah, and then like the Phoenix program thing,

498
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:32,559
if you read about it, it's just absolutely horrible the

499
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,960
type of stuff that people were being trained to do.

500
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,160
I believe it, and I think, I mean, you would

501
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,480
almost have to be like mk ultra or messed up

502
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,440
in the mind to actually do, you know, like just

503
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:47,240
dismembering someone. Well, they're a lot like that's tame compared

504
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:49,640
to some of the other stuff, Like it's really bad.

505
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:56,039
And uh and so, but a lot of the Moon trip,

506
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,359
like three of the Moon trips just coincide almost perfectly

507
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:04,319
with these big revelations about the Phoenix program because the

508
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:09,279
Phoenix program was totally unknown, and then like you know,

509
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:12,599
the information just kind of started trickling out and people

510
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,799
started coming forward and talking about being involved in it. Yeah,

511
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,559
and and like every time some like big revelation about

512
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,680
the Phoenix program happened, just so happened that there was

513
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,400
a Moon trip like right away, and it you know,

514
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:34,240
hogged up the media attention and and the whole Phoenix program.

515
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:37,880
I mean it eventually became known, But I mean that

516
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,480
could have you know, all the information about the Phoenix

517
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,480
program came out right at the start of the war.

518
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,119
You know, it could have just ended the war because

519
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,759
it's just brutal. What what some of the soldiers were

520
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:49,079
up to.

521
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:52,759
Speaker 1: Okay, excuse my ignorance. I don't know a whole lot

522
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,839
about the Vietnam War because I've had a lot of

523
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,000
research into World War Two, but not Vietnam. Yeah, so

524
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,200
why were we even there, Like, what was the point

525
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,599
of being in Vietnam?

526
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: Communism? Yeah, supposedly, like to stop communism. The country was

527
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,319
divided in the northern and half northern and southern halves.

528
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:18,920
Half was communist, half wasn't. And yeah, I mean, I mean,

529
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,920
I think the real reason was drugs. You know there was.

530
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, drugs or oil.

531
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, And so that's kind of the the

532
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:36,200
actual reason. You know, it seems it seems to be

533
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,279
the actual reason. But yeah, the official reason is how

534
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:43,799
we know, stopping communism. And then Russia, you know, had

535
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:48,039
Soviet Union, had people they supported, we had people they

536
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,240
we supported, and of course, yeah, and dragged on forever,

537
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:55,359
like you know, dragged on for almost a decade, and

538
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:56,599
I mean issues.

539
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons they killed jfk Is because

540
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,319
he didn't want to go to Vietnam. There's other reasons too,

541
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:04,720
but that was one of the reasons.

542
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, supposedly that he wanted to pull the troops

543
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:13,279
out and kind of end it right away, and they

544
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:14,599
didn't want that.

545
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: So then what happened in nineteen seventy two that stopped

546
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,680
the Moon projects, Like.

547
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,559
Speaker 2: I mean supposedly it was scheduled. Supposedly it was scheduled.

548
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:31,319
So supposedly I think it was Apollo eighteen was always

549
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,920
scheduled as like the final Moon trip. That's what they claim.

550
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: At least that makes sense.

551
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,759
Speaker 2: And then in the Vietnam War, I mean, the Vietnam

552
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:47,240
War basically ended. It didn't officially end for another few years,

553
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,759
but there was a peace agreement signed like literally a

554
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,519
month after the final apolloition. It was like a couple

555
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:57,880
of weeks. Yeah, it was right in nineteen seventy two,

556
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,000
and I like the still kind of kept people over there,

557
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,480
but started bringing a ton of people home, and then.

558
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,359
Speaker 1: Like like slowed down the war until it like, yeah,

559
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:14,480
come to a conclusion, unlike the Afghanistan situation.

560
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, where they're.

561
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,599
Speaker 1: Just like we're all leaving right now, goodbye. Whoa Okay,

562
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,240
like we need to calm down. So I okay, that

563
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,640
makes sense. There's gonna be some reason that all a

564
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,200
Suddeny're like, oh, we don't need to go to the

565
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,119
Moon anymore, like.

566
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: We're yeah, yeah, I mean, like I said, they supposedly

567
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,640
claimed that, you know, Paula eighteen was going to be

568
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,920
the last one. But I mean it's weird how literally

569
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:46,359
this peace agreement was signed two weeks after the final

570
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,920
Moon trip, like just almost instantly.

571
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: So there, Now, what do you think about these Like

572
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,119
I think it's like private people that are like, we're

573
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,359
about to go to the Moon for the first time.

574
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,039
People are saying that you're saying the quiet part out loud.

575
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,599
Speaker 2: I know, Yeah, it's weird. I mean, like I said,

576
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,279
the weirdest thing about it is that I find is

577
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:15,200
just there's all these you know, smart people and rich

578
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,680
people and people like organizations like NASA with so much money,

579
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:25,960
and no one has been anywhere freaking near the Moon

580
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,640
for over fifty years, like not even like I said,

581
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,640
like one one thousandth of the distance that we need to.

582
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: Travel, and how long has SpaceX been working on this?

583
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah, I don't even really

584
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640
follow the moon stuff all that, like the space stuff

585
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,480
and everything. I don't even really follow plus like you know,

586
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,279
space is it's weird. Not because like with the AI,

587
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,440
I mean, faking a moon trip would be the easiest thing. Yeah, ever,

588
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:56,359
you know you can fake that so easily.

589
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: So when I see videos where people are like I

590
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,319
lose a phone call, Like I actually, this happens to me.

591
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,119
Outside of my house. There's like this like little it's

592
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,240
like this little goalie that I have to go through

593
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,840
to get into town. And every single time I go

594
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,719
into this little goalie, it I lose. I drop a

595
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,440
call every single time. Like I live literally the whole

596
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,320
rest of the trip. It's totally fine. I live twenty

597
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,119
minutes outside of town, so like it takes me a

598
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:23,239
minute ticket there. Well, I lose my call every single time. Well,

599
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,000
you're telling me that we had a phone call. All

600
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:30,159
the way to the moon is two hundred plus miles away.

601
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,079
Speaker 2: A thousand yeah, yeah.

602
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: Like and we're we're just in the nineteen sixties, we're

603
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,639
making those phone calls.

604
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 2: I know, it's it's hard to believe. Yeah, there's that

605
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,239
pretty well done picture. Like Richard Nixon, he's on like

606
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:50,639
a you know old school quartered phone. So yeah, it's

607
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,320
pretty ridiculous. But yeah, I mean just just the whole

608
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:01,159
like synchronicity with the line, the timing lining up the

609
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:06,719
Vietnam Wars is really interesting. And we another interesting thing

610
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,920
about the moon trips. We've only been to the Moon

611
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,760
with Richard Nixon as our president.

612
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:12,639
Speaker 1: Hm hmm.

613
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 2: Every single one of the trips happened with him as

614
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:21,400
the president. Never been up there this guy anyone else. Yeah.

615
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,880
And Richard Nixon, you know, he's always kinda known as

616
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,360
a pretty slick, pretty uh tricky fellow.

617
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:31,639
Speaker 1: Tricky dick is what they call him, right, Yeah?

618
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

619
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so what is you cover? All kinds of

620
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,159
different things? I asked you to come on and talk

621
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:42,000
about this particular topic, but there's a million topics that

622
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,239
you cover. What is one? I don' want to ask

623
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,719
your favorite because I hate when people ask me that

624
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,320
question because it's hard to pick, But like, what is

625
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,039
one that like really stands out to you?

626
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:58,079
Speaker 2: Oh? Boy? Well, I really like the Howard Hughes stuff,

627
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,960
But yeah, I don't know much about it.

628
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:04,559
Speaker 1: I don't know much about it at all, so I'd

629
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:06,199
love to hear it was fascinating.

630
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: I mean, it really is fascinating. It's like the ultimate mystery,

631
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,599
the ultimate conspiracy, Like it blows everything else out of

632
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:20,519
the water, blows the JFK assassination out of the water,

633
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,679
like everything, like how you stuff is crazy Because so

634
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,000
he was like you know, during like the nineteen forties,

635
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,719
the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties, he was like Elon

636
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,400
Musk crossed with Leonardo DiCaprio crossed with like Bill Gates.

637
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:43,719
He was one of the richest people on earth.

638
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: How did he get rich?

639
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: He so his father actually invented a drill bit and

640
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,719
he patented the drill bit. And these drill bits were

641
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:57,280
the best drill bits out there. They were basically required

642
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,519
to drill into like really hard rock, and so they.

643
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: Didn't actually do anything. He just inherited the money.

644
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,639
Speaker 2: He just inherited, well, he inherited the company, and he

645
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:12,400
grew the company. And and yeah, because he grew the company.

646
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,320
And I mean eventually there was like huge tool company,

647
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:21,679
Hughes Aerospace, He had like seven different huge medical foundation.

648
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,639
Like he had all these companies.

649
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: Wow, h for the girls, right yeah, yeah, yeah, and

650
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,320
so he I mean he dated if you if you

651
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,840
go to his Wikipedia page.

652
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,639
Speaker 2: It lists out like every famous actress he dated during

653
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,840
that decade or so, and it's like everyone. I mean,

654
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,800
it's every A list actress. And yeah, I mean he was.

655
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,840
They were doing all this advanced work with like lasers,

656
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,320
because they had another company, Huge Aerospace, which was really

657
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,320
involved with like a lot of cutting edge like going

658
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,880
back to space, like kind of space technology. There were

659
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,920
the massive government contractor they're involved in like lasers, which

660
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,920
was like the really major thing back then. But anyway,

661
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:12,840
all throughout the nineteen forties, you know, he was just everywhere.

662
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,480
He flew around the world multiple times, and he set

663
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,039
a world speed record for flying around the world. So

664
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:22,920
he was like an avid flyer. He was a scratch golfer,

665
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,199
and he was a like borderline good enough to become

666
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,960
a professional golfer. And he was just always in the news,

667
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:33,000
always dating every women. And then in about nineteen fifty

668
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:36,039
five or so, he just vanished off the face of

669
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:39,440
the earth and he was never once seen in public

670
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,960
until nineteen until he died in nineteen seventy two. So

671
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,199
for the last seventeen years of his life, he was

672
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,480
never seen in public once.

673
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:50,559
Speaker 1: Don't trust all that. I don't trust him. Yeah.

674
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he went from constantly being on the

675
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,000
cover of magazines. I mean like when he set the

676
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,360
world speed record flying around the world, they threw this

677
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,480
big ticker to parade in New York City for him,

678
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:05,239
and thousands of people showed up, and he's you know,

679
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,960
waving and everything, just always photographed with every you know,

680
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:13,559
A list actress. Because he bought a movie studio. I mean,

681
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,360
it's just crazy all the stuff that he did. But

682
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,559
he bought a movie studio too, and so he bought

683
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:21,880
this studio, Rko Pictures, and he started making movies. He

684
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,239
made like the original Scarface movie, the al Pacino movie

685
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,079
from the seventies was based on they made a Scarface

686
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:34,800
back in you know, the nineteen thirties or so, and

687
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,480
so yeah, I mean he was just like I said,

688
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,800
he was like Leonardo DiCaprio crossed with Elon Musk a

689
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,400
cross with like Bill Gates. He was doing everything, everything,

690
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:46,920
and he was always in the news. And then like

691
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:52,559
nineteen fifty five vanished off the face of the earth. Wow,

692
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:58,760
and was wild. That's the big Yeah. I mean it

693
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,559
was claimed that it It's interesting because like initially it

694
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,039
was claimed that, oh, well, he got married. So there

695
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:10,400
was this actress, Jean Peters was her name. He married her, right,

696
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,159
there's a lot of mystery surrounding this marriage of theirs.

697
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:17,960
It's really strange. But they were never once photographed in

698
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,480
public together and never once appeared in public together or

699
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,280
anything like that.

700
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,639
Speaker 1: Was she like a well known actress at the time she.

701
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: Was, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think she was like

702
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,440
super well known, but she was an actress, okay, And

703
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:34,599
so yeah, like right around that time he got married

704
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,960
to her. And initially the story was, oh, well, you know,

705
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,880
he's so happy in marriage and he you know, gave

706
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,239
up the lifestyle of going out in public, and so

707
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,719
that's why nobody ever saw him.

708
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,559
Speaker 1: I feel it feels like a drastic change from like

709
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,960
you're doing all these things, you're being photographed in all

710
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,519
these places, and all of a sudden you're like, I'm

711
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,960
married now, I'm never leaving my house again.

712
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: Like oh yeah, I mean it's it's really And then

713
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,639
the story became like, oh, he's just really bashful, like

714
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,599
he's shy, you know, he just doesn't like publicity. I know,

715
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,320
I know. There's even a book written about him during

716
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,199
that time. It's called The bashful billionaire just about how

717
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,079
he you know's it's scary and it's crazy because there's

718
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:27,719
things like where he had to appear before there was

719
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,000
this big, big case invall because he also owned an

720
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,119
air I mean, it's just crazy, but he also owned

721
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,559
an airline. He owned TWA Airlines, which was like the

722
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:36,719
biggest airline at the.

723
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 4: Time, and I know, it is just nuts, but there

724
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,039
there was like this kind of takeover attempt where this

725
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,239
group of bankers wanted to take over TWA or actually

726
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,360
they did kind of take it over, and then they

727
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,599
sued him because they claimed because he not only owned

728
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:55,559
the airline, but he.

729
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:59,199
Speaker 2: Owned the company that was making the planes that they bought,

730
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:01,599
you know, because he was aircraft.

731
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,079
Speaker 5: Company was making I know, yeah, And so they they

732
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:10,519
sued him, and he was being sued by this team

733
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:14,039
that took over TWA for like seventy I think it

734
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:18,679
was seventy million dollars okay, and a lot of money

735
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,920
especially back then, like tons of money.

736
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,639
Speaker 2: And so he had to appear in court. He went

737
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:27,519
to like the Supreme Court I think he had. He

738
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:32,000
was ordered to appear and the judge said, like, if

739
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,400
you don't, if he doesn't appear, and like his lawyers

740
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,639
would say, oh, well he'll, you know, just give a

741
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:40,599
statement or he doesn't want to appear, and they just said, okay,

742
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,440
the just said if he doesn't appear, they're going to

743
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,440
win by default and he's going to have to pay

744
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,960
this money. Oh man. He still didn't appear, and he

745
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,400
paid it.

746
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: He was he was killed, absolutely, yeah, he killed that guy,

747
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,039
and then that he he died seventeen years later. That

748
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,039
I'm surprised I keep him a lie for that long well,

749
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:01,400
like like fictitiously alive for that long.

750
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:03,039
Speaker 2: Well. I think they kind of had to because it

751
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,440
was just such a massive empire and there were so

752
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:09,960
many people who were making just tons of money off

753
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,239
of it. I mean there's like if you look like

754
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,920
the people who are involved with the Howard Hughes Empire,

755
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,599
like super duper powerful people, like people who were you know,

756
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,920
like directors in the CIA and like FBI and all.

757
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: These who took over after he died.

758
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it was just it's kind of a

759
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,000
murky thing. There's one guy in particular who ran it

760
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:39,400
for a while. His name was Bob Mayhew, and he's

761
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,800
just a fascinating guy that that whole era like around

762
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,719
then was like just full of just really really interesting guys.

763
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,800
But this Bob Mayhew was a former FBI agent and

764
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,159
then he opened up what he called like a cutout agency,

765
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,440
which is basically, if the FBI or the CIA or

766
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,960
you know, some government organization has a job that they

767
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960
want to get done, but they don't want to be

768
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,840
involved themselves because it involves some legal stuff, they go

769
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,960
to cutout agencies and they say, okay, we'll hire you

770
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,360
to and then they can you know, they're absolved of

771
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,159
being responsible, you know. And then if they're questioned about, oh,

772
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,880
did you you know we're involved in this, as they

773
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,480
know because they hired somebody else to do it. So

774
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:32,039
he hired up yeah, exactly. And so he started up

775
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:35,280
a company named Robert A. Mayhew and associates. So Rama

776
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,599
or Ama, and it was said that Bob Mayhew was

777
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:43,119
the guy that Easton hunt and Mission Impossible was based on.

778
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: I I've read about this guy or I've mentioned him

779
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,480
in an episode. I didn't go deep into him, but

780
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,920
I like he was He's important.

781
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:57,599
Speaker 2: He's really important. Well, he was pretty heavily involved in

782
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:03,320
JFK assassination too. Apparently hmmm, yeah, because he had he

783
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,760
was kind of like the liaison between the government and

784
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,840
the underworld. That's that's what it kind of seems like.

785
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,679
So he had all these connections with like Johnny Roselli

786
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,000
and like Sam g and Khanna and a bunch of

787
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:19,480
like the really major big time gangsters from that era.

788
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:25,079
And then so because like Bob Mayhew was really involved

789
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,400
in the plot to kill Fidel Castro as well.

790
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,679
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I read about it in a book.

791
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be that because he was the one

792
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,559
they went to and said, Okay, we want to put

793
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:37,800
together a team to take out Castro, and then he

794
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,519
reached out to you know, the mafia, and they kind

795
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,920
of put together a team. And but yeah, he uh

796
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,920
jfk Castro. And then he just happened to be the

797
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,320
guy who take took over the Howard Hughes Empire. And

798
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,599
then he worked with this team. They were called the

799
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:04,599
Mormon Mafia, and these were seven Mormon guys who no

800
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:08,400
one really knew anything about, and they were the only people,

801
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,480
it was said, they were the only people who ever

802
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:15,440
saw Howard Hughes during these final seventeen years of his life.

803
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,039
Because Bob Mayhew was running the Howard Hughes Empire. He

804
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:24,320
never met Howard Hughes a single time. They never met

805
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,239
him a single time. Yes, I mean, it's it's so

806
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:32,679
weird when you look back on it now, it's like, wow,

807
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,239
this is so obvious, Like how did people?

808
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,119
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder what he did to get murdered,

809
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,239
Like was he gonna pull out from like like contracting

810
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,000
with the government or something. Was he gonna like something?

811
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean what's interesting is there's another video

812
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,000
I did that kind of got me into the Howard

813
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:57,079
Hughes thing, and it's about this document called the Gemstone File.

814
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

815
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 2: The Gemstone File is this document from it was written

816
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,519
in like the mid nineteen seventies, but it kind of

817
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:11,280
covers the era from like the nineteen forties up until

818
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:15,840
like the late nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies, And so

819
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,039
what the Gemstone File. It talks a lot about the

820
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:23,400
Howard Hughes disappearance, like that's one of the main he

821
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,480
talks about the JFK assassination. Basically, it was this Gemstone

822
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,960
File was a document written by a guy who claimed

823
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:36,039
he was like majorly connected to some very rich, powerful

824
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:40,159
people who would feed him information about the true story

825
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,440
of what was going on in the world, and so

826
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:45,599
he would kind of relay that information and put it

827
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:48,519
into this this thing that he called the Gemstone File,

828
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,280
and supposedly this guy who wrote it was also he

829
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,119
was he could create, He learned a way to create

830
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,000
artificial gemstones and lab and these gemstones that he would create,

831
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:05,760
these diamonds basically that he would create, were like the

832
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,639
utmost quality, like they're really way better than everything else.

833
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,119
And the Howard Hughes Empire was really heavily into lasers

834
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:19,119
at the time, and so one of the really main

835
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:23,519
components of lasers and laser beams is diamonds. You need

836
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,960
diamond you need really cure diamonds. And so he started

837
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,400
working with the Hues Organization, and that's how he met

838
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,000
a lot of really high up people in the huge

839
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,159
organization who started telling him like, hey, something really weird

840
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,199
is going on here.

841
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: Without it, he is, it feels scientology of them.

842
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well they're.

843
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, you're gone now, but you're not dead yet.

844
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,360
Well is convenient for us?

845
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. There's there's a number of like really rich, billionaire,

846
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,239
powerful people who've kind of vanished it's kind of I

847
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,960
have a list of a few I was thinking about

848
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,199
making a video just kind of a compilation of billionaires

849
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,840
who haven't been seeing in like thirty years. It's there's

850
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,239
a couple like that. It's weird.

851
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: It's the same thing like when they do that with

852
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:21,800
like like uh artists and like actors and people that

853
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,920
are making them a lot of money, like Tupac right

854
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:26,679
or like like Tupac one of the and I did

855
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,400
like a whole series on like fake deaks like Elvis

856
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:31,679
Michael Jackson like that. You have these people that are

857
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:35,199
like making them a lot of money, and so they're like, well,

858
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,079
how can we make more money off them if we

859
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:41,960
kill them? Yeah, and we make like we make their

860
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:43,280
music more valuable.

861
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have that.

862
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

863
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. But going back to the Gemstone file, then, so

864
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,639
what the guy wrote his name is Bruce Roberts. But

865
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,239
what he talks about with the Howard Hughes thing, what

866
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:03,760
he says happened was that Howard Hughes was kidnapped and

867
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,719
his empire was taken over by this guy Aristotle on

868
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,519
Nassas and Aristotle Asses is the guy who married Jackie

869
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:16,880
Kennedy after JFK died, and yeah, and Aristotle on I mean,

870
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,840
this whole era is like full of these really fascinating people.

871
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,599
Aristotle on Asses is like he might be the most

872
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:26,400
fascinating one. Like he is. He lived on a private

873
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:32,119
island in the Mediterranean Sea, just this amazing, amazing island.

874
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:37,400
He owned the biggest yacht in the world, just dated

875
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:43,519
all these women and then then married Jackie Kennedy. And

876
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:45,639
then so what the gem Stunt file says is what

877
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,000
him marrying Jackie Kennedy was was it was almost like

878
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:55,639
a flex because he was behind the jfk assassination because

879
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,079
JFK was how Onassis made all his money. He was

880
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:02,400
opium and so if JFK wanted to pull out of

881
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,079
you know, Vietnam, it would have cost a Nassas a

882
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:10,280
lot of money. So he had him killed. And then

883
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,719
I guess, I mean, the Gymson file claims it's an

884
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,400
old mafia rule where if somebody screws you on a deal,

885
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:19,639
because apparently on Nassas and Kennedy had a deal where

886
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,159
you know, they would allowed to happen, and then Kennedy

887
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,119
screwed him over on the deal and welched on it.

888
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:28,360
And so apparently it's an old mafia rule where if

889
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,199
a guy Welch was on a deal, you kill him

890
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:37,079
and you take his girl. So that's what because Oasis

891
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,679
they claim is like really he was like the head

892
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:41,800
of them wafia, like the world wide head of the mafia,

893
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,920
the most powerful guy, and so that anyway, they claimed

894
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,840
that what happened with the Howard Hughes Empire was that

895
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:55,440
Onassas took it over. He kidnapped Howard Hughes. He became

896
00:51:56,199 --> 00:52:01,599
basically the front guy for the huge organization, and he

897
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:05,679
kept him as the Gymstone file claims Aristotle nass kept

898
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,280
him as a prisoner on his island. Wow, Yeah, for

899
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,440
like decade, for like a decade, which is crazy because

900
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,679
they needed they needed to keep him around in case

901
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,840
like the whole thing blew up and people demanded to say, hey,

902
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,400
we have to see evidence that Howard Hughes is alive.

903
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:26,400
He kept him as a prisoner, kept him alive.

904
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: It's not a time for that would have been like

905
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,960
when he was called for in front of the judge,

906
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,880
like for the court case that he didn't show up for,

907
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,199
Like that would have been the time for them to

908
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,119
be like, look he's still but yeah.

909
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,119
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you would have spilled

910
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:46,960
the beans and told everything or But what's funny is

911
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,480
like the whole this whole thing with Howard Hughes and

912
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:58,559
on asses, it really mirrors the plot of a Bond movie. Boy,

913
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,320
I think it's uh, Edmonds are Forever. I believe it's

914
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,599
that one because that has to do because then, like

915
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,840
later in life, one of the straight just aspects of

916
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,719
the Howard Hughes thing is he moved to Las Vegas.

917
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,800
Howard Hughes quote unquote moved to Las Vegas. This was

918
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,559
in the seventies, so this was the point where no

919
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:20,360
one had seen in him for you know, fifteen years.

920
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,800
But supposedly Howard Hughes moved to Las Vegas and he

921
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,119
just started buying up every casino in Vegas. And so

922
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,320
you know, most likely what it was was he was

923
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:36,280
being used as a front for like mobsters buying it up.

924
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,840
But yeah, well yeah that too. But yeah, there's a

925
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,119
there's a Bond movie where there's a Las Vegas billionaire

926
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,920
named Willard White, so you know, the same initials, and

927
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,480
he's kidnapped by Blofeld who's the main bad guy, and

928
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,599
blowfelt has all these similarities with a Nassis. Blowfold also

929
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,639
lives on a private island. He has this really high

930
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:06,320
tech yacht fleet. On Nassis had this high tech yacht fleet.

931
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,880
They were both oil man like. They got a lot

932
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,000
of similarities. And then and then yeah, it is weird.

933
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,400
And then like you know, there's always been rumors that

934
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,800
like Ian Fleming actually here he wasn't in my sixth

935
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,000
agent like he but there's rumors that like because he

936
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:26,960
was so high up, it's a you know, well connected spy.

937
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,480
He based the plots of the Bond movies on like

938
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:35,199
what was actually going on in the world, right, and

939
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,400
so oh yeah, oh yeah. And then the guy there's

940
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,480
this guy, Cubby Broccoli, Albert Broccoli. He was the producer

941
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,440
of the Bond movies. He was a close friend to

942
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,679
Howard Hughes for a long time as well before he disappeared.

943
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,760
So there's like kind of these connections. And really like

944
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the plot of the Diamonds Are Forever, I mean, it

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just mirrors the Gemstone File. It's it's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: That's so odd. Yeah, I mean everything's so odd. I

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feel like we keep finding odd things.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, especially that era, like the nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 1: Like they were getting away with everything during that time,

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the sixties, the seventies, like even into the eighties a

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little bit, like they were really it was the Internet

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really screwed them.

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Speaker 2: Up, it did. Yeah, but then they.

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Speaker 1: Also like kind of screwed themselves up with like COVID,

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Like they brought so many people into the conspiracy world

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with COVID right now, Yeah, you guys really stumbled, didn't you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, That's kind of what I focus on on

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my channel because I feel like there's just so many

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stories from like the seventies and the eighties and the

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sixties that like happened, and then they just kind of

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got forgotten about because there wasn't an Internet to kind

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of dissect them or talk about them more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there was was, you know, news broadcasts and even

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back theniel like CNN only started broadcasting in like nineteen

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seventy nine, I think it was or nineteen eighty. So

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even like in the seventies, there was a half hour

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news broadcast at night. That was it. There wasn't a

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twenty four hour news channel, right.

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Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is like twenty four hour

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news channels did not exist like you did. Not have

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access and you didn't have access to world news either,

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no coming in real time as they are now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, it's nuts and uh yeah, basically magazines,

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newspapers and a half hour news broadcast every night, and

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that was like it. So there's so many like just

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really bizarre things that happened back then that have kind

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of been forgotten about. And I like, you know, just

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kind of finding obscure things like that to kind of

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focus on on my channel. And you know, I'll do

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big things like moon landings and things like that occasionally,

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but I liked the little obscure ones as well.

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Speaker 1: So I do too think like the big the big

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things bring people in, but they stay for the little things,

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the things that, like you won't you want to think

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to look into or like to look up. Oh totally yeah, yeah,

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I call them. I call them little conspiracies because like

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in my mind, I'm like, you got the big ones

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and then you got the little ones, and the little

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ones are not like smaller, yeah, less known.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what's crazy is how many, how how

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they're all connected? Yes, all the same people popping up

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like that Bob Mayhew I was talking about that guy.

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Speaker 1: Is in everything. I swear I know him from something

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and it's not what you're talking about. It's something completely different.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah he was. He's got a crazy story.

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There's so many other other people like that too, so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's wild. So where can people find you?

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Speaker 2: Uh well, primarily YouTube, so control alt history, like control

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all delete control histories and the channel, and then I'm

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on Instagram and Twitter as well, and on Rumble, but

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I not the best about posting on there as of

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right now that I'm on Patreon as well, so yeah,

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YouTube just kind of yeah, yeah, all the major ones.

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Speaker 1: Perfect, go on. Thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, this is a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot and so I really appreciate it.

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I like, I like not knowing everything, especially when I'm

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talking to something. I'm like, oh yes, like tell me

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so much about that, like I want to. Oh yeah,

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So I really appreciate it. Thanks so much. We'll have

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you back for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to come back until next week.

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Speaker 1: My friends, stay skeptical and we will see you all then. Hey. Friends.

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