WEBVTT 1 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.320 Hello everybody, and welcome back to That's Not a Metal. 2 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.039 We are your weekly rock and heavy metal podcast. We 3 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:35.240 come here every single Friday. We let you know what's up, 4 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.439 what's been going on this edition This week is our 5 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:41.280 biggest episode of the month because it is our reviews 6 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:46.320 bag episode for July. July traditionally, I always view it 7 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.960 this way is a lower key month. Less of the 8 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:55.200 big names are releasing their albums, but considering the couple 9 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.640 of very highly notable, long awaited releases the Absite to 10 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.119 drop in July, and a couple of records from just 11 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:03.479 like the end of June, for example, that we hadn't 12 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.079 got to yet, we have managed to piece together quite 13 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:09.920 a sizeable I suppose it's up for debate and question 14 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:12.879 that we will answer whether it is a tasty reviews batch, 15 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:16.359 but definitely some prime T and M names that we 16 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:18.200 have to be getting into. So later in the show 17 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.280 we are going to be reviewing the new albums from 18 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:24.879 Loathe Muse, the Mensingers, the excerpts Fuming Mouth, No Cure 19 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:28.439 and Arise from Worms. My name is Paren Haish and 20 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:30.879 with me to enjoy all of this stuff we had 21 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:33.599 ahead of us is Sam dign on here. Hello, Sam, 22 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:34.239 how are you doing? 23 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:34.719 Yeah? 24 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.359 Not it's a bad excited about some of the news. 25 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.239 You've got to talk about interest to chat about some 26 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:41.840 of these albums and kind of get into thinking. I say, 27 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.159 it feels like a big July batch actually compared to Yeah, 28 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:47.040 it usually is because normally, you know, it's the summer, 29 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:48.799 it's festivals, that's all that's really going on, and the 30 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.920 albums are a little bit sort of sparse. But I mean, 31 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:55.480 I've my summer album dropped last week and I haven't 32 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:57.760 stopped listening to it. No spoilers on what that might be, 33 00:01:57.760 --> 00:01:59.599 if anyone knows my taste, but I. 34 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:03.239 Wonder what could it possibly be. It's also it's the 35 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:06.040 oddyssey week, so I've been looking around for cyclopsters. I've 36 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.919 been being wary of any trojan horses left on my doorstep. 37 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:13.680 I'm absolutely might my surveillance levels, my wariness is up 38 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:14.280 to a peak. 39 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.759 I'm seeing it again on Saturday on like the big 40 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:20.159 seventy milimeters screen in London. I'm not I can't get 41 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.680 to like the Imax one because that's sold out until September, 42 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.479 but they're still like the massive seventy millimeters one, so 43 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:28.479 I'm seeing it again on that because yeah, that's a 44 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.319 movie that I want to see again on like as 45 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:33.400 big as thing, because like, yeah, good movie. 46 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:36.680 It is good, it's bonkers. It's also obviously very very metal. 47 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:40.120 I always feel like any sort of big, grand fantastical 48 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:42.919 mythology type spectacle we have gone on it always chimes 49 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:44.960 quite well with We've normally got some album or other 50 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.319 dealing with some of this stuff. But that's what has 51 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:53.039 been filling our weeks before we get into reviewing those albums. 52 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:54.960 We are, as you were saying, we have got some 53 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.919 news to run through, and our top story that we 54 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:00.560 are going to open up this week is not one 55 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.319 that I was anticipating, you know, arriving this time last 56 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.680 week when we were doing our last episode. The first 57 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:10.800 news story we've got to talk about comes courtesy of 58 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:16.000 some little band called Gallows, who we don't know what yet. 59 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:19.120 Maybe by the time that you're hearing us on Friday, 60 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.680 everyone will know. Obviously we're recording this Thursday night, so 61 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.680 if they have confirmed anything, we don't fucking know yet. 62 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:28.520 But we don't know what they're up to. All we 63 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.759 know is that they are up to something, and that 64 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:35.599 is considerably more than they have been up to for 65 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:39.280 a very long time. Actually, twenty nineteen was the last 66 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:43.360 time that Gallows were like a genuinely active band, when 67 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.120 they played a handful of shows, including the House of 68 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:49.000 Van show in London, followed by then Slam Dunk that 69 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.919 same weekend that you know, we attended. But that's the 70 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:58.719 last time Gallows actually concretely existed and seven years past. Right, 71 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.280 we're going to talk about some of the things that 72 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.479 have gone on in that time involving, you know, members 73 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:06.520 of Gallows that have made it seem like Gallows was 74 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:11.280 in no way really a top concern, but it looks 75 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:13.840 like something's going on. 76 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.279 It feels crazy to me because like when Gallows came 77 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:18.360 back in twenty nineteen, it felt like they'd been away 78 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.120 for age, yes, and it'd been like it really did, 79 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:22.839 like it has been like three four years. I can 80 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:24.720 remember exactly how it was, but it felt like they 81 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:26.680 they were done. And then they still had come back 82 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.079 and was like, yes, Gallows are back. And then COVID 83 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:31.959 because they had plans to tour like twenty twenties for 84 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:33.480 that as well. I think they were doing reading festival 85 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.120 or something. And then COVID happens, and then the Gallows 86 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.439 reunion just vanished off the face of the earth and 87 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:38.800 that was it. 88 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:40.360 No more, no more Gallows again. 89 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.560 And then as it eight year passed on and it 90 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.120 was like, I think Gallows are done. And I mean 91 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.279 we in our discord were having a discussion the other 92 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.319 week literally about Gallows and yes, the likelihood of them 93 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.480 ever coming back. What iteration of Gallows is it? Who's fronting, 94 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:59.680 who's doing what this and what and whoever? And like, 95 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.600 And the point we saw came to was like, regardless 96 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:06.399 of Gallo's come back and play shows, I just want 97 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:10.720 the Gallows catalog, all four albums, both ears, to get 98 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.040 the recognition it deserves again because it feels like Gallows 99 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:14.800 have kind of been lost to time a little bit, 100 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.279 like obviously definitely outside of the UK, but even in 101 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:19.240 the UK now where they were still you know, they 102 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:22.519 had a reputation, they had an aura to them that 103 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.959 just feels gone regards with whatever Gallows it is. So 104 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.879 it was really nice to sort of see initially just 105 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.800 a blacked out Facebook page and then an Instagram link 106 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.839 of sign up to get news, which I've signed up 107 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:36.000 for again. I don't well, I don't know when it's 108 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:37.519 dropping in or we could be tomorrow, it could be 109 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.279 a couple of time, but something's happening. I was just like, right, cool, Fine, 110 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:43.879 at least we're going at least we're getting Gallows back 111 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.079 in the conversation. And as a bunch of people to 112 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.279 and again that's what I like, a bunch of people 113 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.560 getting excited about Gallo's come back. And I was like, good, 114 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:52.839 this is what we need. If anything, just Gallows being 115 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:55.360 back in the conversation. Then we're kind of remembering what 116 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.000 a fucking great band they are. And again, right now, 117 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.480 I don't care who's running, who's doing what, what the is? 118 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:02.920 I just want Gallows back in the conversation. Everyone's kind 119 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:04.759 of go, oh, yeah, all four of those albums are 120 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:06.040 fucking awesome. Yeah. 121 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.600 I agree, because you know, we've been speaking for ages 122 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:13.439 really about what a you know, unprecedented place hardcore is 123 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:15.639 at right now as a cultural force and as like 124 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.839 a genuinely mainstream force, and the way you generations of 125 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.000 bands like Obviously Not Loose and Turnstile and you know, 126 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:23.720 Code Orangine their time and all that, you know, all 127 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.079 these kind of domino effects that have gone on where 128 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:33.120 hardcore is so ubiquitous right now, it does feel like Gallows, 129 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:37.480 for whatever reason, their part in that has fallen away 130 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.560 from major discussion. And when people talk about the greatest 131 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:42.920 hardcore bands of all time, I know, obviously there is 132 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.439 a absolutely a cult following that we would certainly count 133 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.879 ourselves as a part of who do regularly tout that. 134 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:52.000 But that when people talk about you know, hardcore on 135 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:54.639 Twitter all the time, which is as I said, all 136 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.399 the time, right because it's it's such a you know, 137 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:02.680 a unavoidable scene, Gallows do not come up anymore anywhere 138 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:05.480 near as much as I think they should. So I 139 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:07.759 agree that that is like, out of anything that could happen, 140 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:09.920 I just want, I just think they should be recognized 141 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.240 more so about what this actually you know, will be right, 142 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:15.879 because we have a little trail of evidence here, as 143 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.560 you said, started off with you know, blacked out social 144 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:20.639 media pages, which always just sort of a sign of 145 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:25.160 like you know, battle stations everyone, something is coming, but 146 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:29.199 the scale of what that might be is unknown. Then 147 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.040 we got the email link, which, like you said, which 148 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.399 to me at least indicates that that sort of you 149 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:37.439 know takes up or not right, that there is something coming. 150 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.000 Are we looking at you know, live shows being announced 151 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:41.839 like something like that, you know, tour dates, whatever it 152 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.439 could be. But also I want to touch on, like 153 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:49.360 you were saying, what form of Gallows could actually come 154 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.319 back if we assume that this you know, piece of 155 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:57.040 activity here is in fact the band again re emerging 156 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.199 from their slumber to play some shows. It's not just 157 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.959 a reissue or something like that. We obviously don't know 158 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:05.920 what that actually means in terms of Gallows because the 159 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.720 different version of Gallows that have existed, we have, like 160 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.600 you were saying, when we've had conversations kind of off 161 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.319 Mike about Gallows, I have said actually for a little 162 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:19.639 while that if Gallows were to come back soon, I 163 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:22.000 had started to believe it was more likely that we 164 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:25.839 would actually get the Frank reunion than the you know, 165 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:29.199 the last known active version of Gallows that was threatened 166 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:31.959 by Wade McNeil coming back. And the reason I sort 167 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:36.120 of felt that way is as the more time passed, 168 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:40.159 I suppose, the more again the WAYE version of Gallows 169 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:43.240 looked like it had run its course, in the way 170 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.639 that the original Frank version of Gallows had had run 171 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.840 its course. Obviously, you know the fact that there was 172 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:53.080 a hiatus after they released the second album with Wade 173 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.320 that then resulted in them coming out of you know, 174 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:58.480 hiding for those shows that we mentioned took like four years. 175 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:02.120 That was like, yeah, Gallows is of not the top, 176 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:04.039 you know that Again, the primary concern of all the 177 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:08.559 people involved right now, the fact that everything that's happened, 178 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:10.519 you know, since the turn of the decade really only 179 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:13.080 made me feel more that way. Where obviously we have 180 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:17.559 Alexa on Fire becoming you know, a much more active 181 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.440 band again after that with their new album and very 182 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:22.480 constant touring and stuff like that. On top of that, 183 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.480 Wades even during Thursday and has been playing with them. 184 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:28.440 He's got his you know, pig pen exactly like other 185 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.519 hardcore bands that he's been doing. So he's like he's 186 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.080 a very busy man, Like if I wanted to grab me, 187 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.679 always just's he's always somewhere. So I didn't know how 188 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:37.639 much time Gallas would have in the schedule. The other 189 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:40.480 members of Gallows, you know, Lags has been doing then records, 190 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:44.039 I know that, you know, Steph Carter's doing stuff, stuff 191 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.200 with Marshall, Like they just all seemed like they were 192 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:50.840 doing other things and the wide version didn't seem like 193 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.919 it had a you know, an immediate demand to exist, 194 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:56.600 I suppose, And the longer that drifted away, the more 195 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.759 I think the maybe the nostalgia call of getting the 196 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:02.919 original guys together. And I don't mean a nostalgia call 197 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:04.919 in terms of like trying to bank to an audience 198 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.559 or something. I meant in themselves, right, because we've seen 199 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.519 over the last however many years now, all these you know, 200 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:12.480 the great photos of like, oh, here's Frank Carter and 201 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:14.600 the Gallows guys. They're just hanging out, being buds at 202 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.840 a show or whatever. Clearly like all on good terms. 203 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:20.919 And I started to believe, like if Gallows were to 204 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.960 come back, which I was not convinced would happen prior 205 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.399 to this event that we are currently talking about, I 206 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.919 was not saying that it was a guaranteed thing, but 207 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.200 if it was to happen, I had started to believe 208 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.279 the Frank you know, incarnation of Gallows was the more 209 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.399 likely thing to re emerge then the way version. The 210 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:44.159 only you know counterside to that, obviously is Frank has 211 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.639 the matter in his you know, touring schedule of playing 212 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:48.799 with the sex Pistols, which I know because that's not 213 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.679 a creatively active band. Maybe that does leave room for 214 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:54.240 him to go and be, you know, the front man 215 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:56.919 of Gallows and the front man of the Sex Pistols, 216 00:10:56.960 --> 00:10:59.120 but obviously being with something busy also. I think it's 217 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:01.759 worth noting earlier today, I believe, as we're doing this, 218 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:06.000 Frank Carter posted on his Instagram story because I guess 219 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.159 people had seen the Gallows announcement and have just started 220 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:10.639 like reminiscing and posting stuff on social media, all this stuff. 221 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:13.840 He posted something basically recognizing how often he was being 222 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:17.399 tagged in things, and he said something along the lines 223 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:18.840 of like it was an old tour poster. And he 224 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:20.759 says something along the lines of, like, the best thing 225 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:22.799 about whatever the fuck Gallows are doing right now is 226 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.519 just me being reminded of all this great stuff we 227 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:28.559 did to get right. And the wording of that obviously 228 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:32.440 implies that Frank Carter does not know what Gallows are 229 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:36.799 doing now. Could he be doing a kerry king about this, right? 230 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.799 Could he be? He like he hasn't said I do 231 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:41.559 not know what Gallows are doing. He said the best 232 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:43.360 thing about whatever the fuck Gallows are doing, which he 233 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:45.440 could well be involved with, We don't know. He could 234 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:49.080 be Kerry King Slayer reunioning this. It's difficult to know. 235 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:52.159 So with all that in mind, let's speculate again. This 236 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.519 could happen tomorrow as this episode goes up, but we 237 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.639 don't know right now. What do you think and what 238 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:02.200 do you want to happen with this? Gallows And I. 239 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.679 Think this is initially going to be a tour. I mean, 240 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:10.000 like I love the way Hearer Gallows stuff. I want 241 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:11.799 to see Frank Carter Gallows because I've never got to 242 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.360 see Frank Carter Frank Gallows, Like I would love to 243 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:20.000 see those songs performed by him, because like I never 244 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.200 wanted to miss way from those songs because he was 245 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.919 fucking brilliant at doing none of his reason and misery. 246 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.080 But the idea of seeing Frank Carter perform them has 247 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:30.720 always had that kind of I mean, like Great Britain 248 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:32.240 is in my top twenty albums of all time. I 249 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.200 think that album is a masterpiece. It's one of the 250 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.600 most like brilliant stories in hardcore, one of the most 251 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.440 forward thinking, unique hardcore records that doesn't get nearly as 252 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.879 much praise as it deserves for fucking with the rules 253 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.120 of just about every genre and every kind of like 254 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:50.519 business practice in alternative music. It possibly could. I think 255 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:52.919 it's like one of the great kind of outlaw stories. 256 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:55.240 I think it stands next to Jane Doe is the 257 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:56.360 greatest hard grabbing full time. 258 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:02.279 Yeah, I would not disagree, and I would the idea 259 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.759 of seeing that is something that I've clung on too 260 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:07.759 so long. I've always goind of made peace of I probably. 261 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:10.080 I don't think he's gonna do it the whole whatever 262 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.840 gas anything. He's not gonna give away on an Instagram 263 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:15.519 story that he's coming back to Gallows. He's gonna play 264 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:20.840 it coy like regardless of what something happens. Like, I 265 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.960 think everyone deep down knows that the dream is to 266 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.120 see Frank Carter come back, and that's what would make 267 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:29.559 this Gallows reunion explode more than if it was just 268 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:32.279 another waveun Like. I think the Wave union would be 269 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.960 that same kind of like cult fan base who all 270 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:36.840 like rocked up to House of Vans and went fucking 271 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.440 meant like that gig and had the best time. But 272 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:41.480 I think the idea of like a Gallows of Frank 273 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.480 would be like a hope. I think Frank Carter needs 274 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:47.480 something like this as well. I think like him doing 275 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:50.240 the sex soff has been cool, but I like but 276 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.720 I think his reputation is one of like the incendiary 277 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:55.480 figures of UK music has diminished in the years, and 278 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.480 I think it like a return to Gallows could reignite that. 279 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:01.600 I would love this to be a tour that then leads. 280 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:02.080 Onto an album. 281 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:05.480 I again, like anything that's wrong that puts Gallows back 282 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.360 in the prompt position is what I want. Realistically, I 283 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:10.759 think we're getting a Gallows tour ten end of this 284 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:13.320 year or early next year, and then maybe into like 285 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.399 festival season next year, some extra eight and then that 286 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:17.120 might be it. It might kind of just be like 287 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:19.639 a one of those this is you know, the last 288 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.679 ride of Gallows, be it with Wade and Frank We 289 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:28.039 coming come back for one last actual like properly build final, right, 290 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.840 That's what I think is most likely to happen. What 291 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.480 I want to happen is tour, it go really well 292 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:35.000 album and then Gallows are back. 293 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:38.639 Yeah, And I just would say for the record, I 294 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:42.200 do agree. Obviously, I have seen the Wade incarnation of Gallows. 295 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.759 I have loved the Wad incarnation of Gallows, but like you, 296 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:47.200 I did not see the Franco Carnation of Gallows, and 297 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:49.919 as someone who loves those first two records as well 298 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:51.600 as the two with Wade, I would love to see 299 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.000 It's the dream, like you said, everyone would want to 300 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:55.919 see if they never saw it the first time out, 301 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:58.720 that to happen and it would be a feel good story. 302 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:00.639 The only thing I would all so add on to 303 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:04.080 that is the worst thing about Gallows fan base going 304 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:10.440 back over ten years, has been this tribal act about 305 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:14.320 even while the weighed version of Gallows was active and 306 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:17.240 around and people weren't fucking appreciating it because they were going, oh, 307 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:20.519 get Frank back, right, Yeah, if they post this you know, 308 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.879 teaser and get people excited, and they get those people 309 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:26.039 excited and then they come back and it's the Way 310 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.039 version of Gallows. Which if we got the Way version 311 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:29.919 of Gallows back, particularly if they were to then make 312 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:31.360 an album, right and if it wasn't just like twenty 313 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:33.360 nineteen and we got actual new music because the last 314 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:37.919 Wade record, fucking Desolation, sounds brilliant record. Barely anyone's heard 315 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:40.519 it because people are fucking stupid about that band, but 316 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:43.039 it's an incredible record there are very few punk wo 317 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.360 Hargo albums released in the decade since that are better 318 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.559 than that one. But like I said, if they post 319 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:51.679 all this and they get the Frank purist excited, who 320 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:55.399 have spent you know, the following fifteen years diminishing the 321 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:58.360 activity of that band, and then they come back with 322 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:01.799 the Way version of Gallows and those people start going, oh, 323 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:03.639 you got us all excited, when it's just for the 324 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.320 Way version coming back, I would just absolutely say once again, 325 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:11.879 fuck those people, and it would be tremendously excited. So 326 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.799 whichever version of Gallows does appear, I will be happy. 327 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:19.360 I agree that the one that would be more cause 328 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.480 for like, oh my God, would be obviously the Frank version. 329 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.440 But either way, like I said, prior to you know, 330 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:27.639 a couple of days ago, I did not we didn't 331 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:31.480 have any Gallus activity. Considering the esteem that we hold 332 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.559 that band in and all of their you know catalog, 333 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:38.039 that is absolutely cause for celebration. So maybe it happens tomorrow. 334 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:40.600 It certainly has to happen soon. Obviously we are waiting 335 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:42.440 to see what's going on with Gallows, but they seem 336 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.200 more alive than they were before, so good news. There 337 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:47.279 some bad news. To sort of trade off that with 338 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:51.000 talking about bands in the UK rock scene is Marmozettes 339 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:54.840 have announced that they have split with Sam McIntire. Sam 340 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:59.399 McIntyre obviously the sibling of Becker formerly McIntire now Becker Bottom, 341 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.919 leave the front women of the band. The Marmoset's comeback 342 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:06.200 has been like oddly, I don't know, it's it seemed 343 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.599 on and off, isn't it. Where they came back released 344 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:10.839 the album. We spoke about how the album maybe like 345 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.000 wasn't as tremendous as their their first two albums, but 346 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:15.839 it's still got a good amount of love. I know 347 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:17.359 that when they went and did the you know, some 348 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:19.440 shows for it, people talking about how great it was live, 349 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.599 and then they even like released I'd forgotten about this 350 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:24.599 until this announcement came out, But they released another song 351 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:26.440 like beyond the album, like a couple of weeks ago. 352 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:28.720 There was another extra single, so they seem to be, 353 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:32.000 you know, have a lot of material hanging around. But 354 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:34.839 then we've also had news like this where the kind 355 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:36.720 of you know, chemistry within the band and they've said 356 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.079 that it's due to the the you know the relationship 357 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.960 between these members of the band, by which I had 358 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.000 just been Sam and the other members, the other three 359 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.799 primarily of the band becoming unworkable seems to have you know, 360 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:51.839 had had its bumps already, even though it doesn't seem 361 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.200 like they've been that, you know, that long since they 362 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:54.720 have gone back. 363 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:57.200 Yeah, I mean obviously, like the film with this one 364 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:58.480 is like it was kind of known they were going 365 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:00.759 to be taking a break after the Simc Becker is 366 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.480 like several months pregnant again, so like that was coming 367 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:06.799 to But it just feels weird that that that, like 368 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.000 this has kind of been the sort of ending point 369 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.920 of this initial first one of their reunion is one 370 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.680 of the sort of members leaving. And again because it's 371 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:17.720 like Marmosets has always been like a family unit, it 372 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:21.279 feels extra odd then when you're like there is strong 373 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:25.400 creative or like like differences in how things are going, 374 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:28.240 and that's clearly caused the rift and the marmos Its 375 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:30.359 union's kind of like just been very much like yeah, 376 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:31.880 it's good, and then it's kind of stalled out and 377 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:34.000 then it's kind of got but going and the like 378 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.119 people say, like the two Thousand Trees set, the vibe 379 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.839 did seem off. I didn't, I can't come out. I've 380 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:43.720 just seen people say that, like you could. They felt 381 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:46.480 like there was tensions on stage, which might be what 382 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:48.960 then just led to this thing of kind of like 383 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.759 you know, I'm done and that's it. It's yeah, it's 384 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:53.480 just it feels like an odd kind of place to 385 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:55.720 leave this Marmots union at this point. 386 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.519 Yeah, very weird. Ghosts have confirmed the details of their 387 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.160 next concert film. We've already got a second one. It's 388 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.039 pretty crazy that where they haven't even taken you know, 389 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:07.519 a number of years between them, and they've just gone right, 390 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.400 next album, next tour. Immediately. It's almost becoming a regular thing, 391 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:14.200 the Ghost trip to the cinema. But their new film 392 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.200 is called Too Big, Too Rig and that is going 393 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:21.240 to be out in cinemas and imax as well August 394 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:24.759 the twenty sixth. This one obviously captures the Scaler tour 395 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:27.640 in the way that the previous right here, right now 396 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:31.839 film did the Emperor Tour. I guess the curious part 397 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:33.960 but this is how different will it be from the 398 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:35.759 previous film. Obviously, I know the tour is different, but 399 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:38.880 I mean from a filmmaking sensibility, the previous film famously 400 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:41.599 had a lot of the sort of skits and like, 401 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.920 you know, the comedic narrative elements and stuff around the 402 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:46.759 actual concert film part. I don't know if they will 403 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:49.519 be doubling down as much on that. Interestingly, I watched 404 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:51.440 the trailer for this, which is only like a you know, 405 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:53.440 one minute thirty seconds long. There's not a lot to 406 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.720 take from it, considering most of it is obviously going 407 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:58.039 to be you know, the concert footage of them playing 408 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:00.200 live and stuff. But there's nothing in there in that 409 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.759 trailer that you know, there's none of that usual you know, 410 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:05.680 fucking what's her name, Sister Imperator or like, you know, 411 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.480 the characters of the Ghost Universe. None of them are 412 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:10.960 in there. And there's actually more like little interviews and 413 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.200 stuff with what appears to be the crew and the 414 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:16.759 people like putting on the show, and there's more like 415 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:19.279 shots of again the assembly of the stage and stuff 416 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:20.960 like that. So I don't know if this film is 417 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:23.720 going to maybe have a little more more realism to 418 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:26.279 it in terms of like peeling back the curtain a 419 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:28.240 little bit and talking to like some of the you know, 420 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:31.440 the production side of what's gone into the Ghost stage show. 421 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.119 Maybe instead of the narrative elements I don't know, but 422 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:35.880 like that's all I can go on are really from 423 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:39.920 the again like the ninety second trailer, but that's that's 424 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:40.599 too big to rig. 425 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:42.599 Well when it's called two big rig that has a 426 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:45.720 kind of feeling, yeah, setting up the stage show and 427 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:47.720 that kind of like the production aspect of it. So 428 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:49.559 I do wonder if this is going to kind of 429 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:51.880 be you know, the concert film with the kind of 430 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:53.440 the behind the scenes sort of thing is quite a 431 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:55.200 popular thing at the moment. Again, like that that kind 432 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:58.680 of like peak behind the currency you're the artists like 433 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:02.400 off stage and like ghost through that, but actually doing 434 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.720 it seriously and not with these like with the silly 435 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:05.480 comedy skits. 436 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:06.920 I mean, that could be. That could be interesting. 437 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:11.000 It might justify this being you know, another concert film 438 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:12.720 really so quickly if they bring me different to it. 439 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:14.039 I wondered it and mind this thing. When I heard 440 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:16.480 that we're doing, sayone was like did they just realize 441 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:17.960 the skit thing were bad? And they were like, right, 442 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.480 when you just want a live document that has got 443 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:24.160 that without the comedy and the characters interrupting the flow 444 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:26.200 of the concerts. That was my again, biggest gripe with 445 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:28.440 right here, right now is like the con stuff is great, 446 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:29.640 and then every now and then you'd have to be 447 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:32.839 pulled away from that to have these like silly behind 448 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:34.599 the backstage sort of bits of all the characters that 449 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.279 I just wasn't invested in. But then, yeah, I think 450 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:39.960 like Ghosts are the band who can pull off multiple 451 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.759 concert films. I feel like that again because each tour 452 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:45.799 is such a different spectacle. So if you didn't like, 453 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:47.240 I didn't see I didn't see the skill of tour, 454 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:48.880 so I might go on to this just again to 455 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:49.680 get a glimpse of that. 456 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:52.079 But I think, yeah, it could be good fun. Yes, 457 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:57.000 here is an interesting stat for you, Sleep Tokens album 458 00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:59.480 Take Me Back to Eden, which was the twenty twenty 459 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.119 three there third album, and I think we would all 460 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:05.079 sort of largely say the album where the sleep token, 461 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:10.799 you know, rising cults became genuinely like the dominant global 462 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:14.920 metal force that they have been. That album has been 463 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:20.640 officially certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America, 464 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:23.559 so that means platinum in America. Obviously, there are other 465 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:24.920 countries around the world who have their own sort of 466 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:29.200 version of UK platinum whatever, but America obviously the biggest market, right, 467 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.200 That's that's the big one. This is, you know, obvious 468 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:36.400 a combination of sales, but also over two billion global streams. 469 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:39.759 And I saw this thing and I was just sort of, 470 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:41.880 you know, it occurred to me. I was like, I 471 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:44.839 don't know, off top my head, how many you know, 472 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:47.880 big metal releases or rock releases in the past. However 473 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.279 many years have actually been certified platinum because it's something 474 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:52.240 that we associate a lot more with, you know, the 475 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.400 kind of golden age of record sales. Right, yeah, I'm 476 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:56.599 just going to say a lot of older stuff, like you know, 477 00:22:56.599 --> 00:22:58.720 obviously you know, if you say that hybrid theory or 478 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:02.599 fucking you hysteria or whatever is however many times you 479 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:05.880 know certified, then it makes sense. But in the modern era, 480 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:08.039 when sales are not what they obviously used to be, 481 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.079 it's something you see less often. And I was like, 482 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.319 I don't know, like what other albums have done that 483 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.240 in recent times. And if anyone, like again I was 484 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:17.599 just doing a cursory google, that might be completely wrong. 485 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:20.799 So if anyone has like other knowledge or information on this, like, 486 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.200 do share it, because I would be interested but I 487 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:25.000 was just thinking like, Okay, what are the other recent 488 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:29.240 really big, like really like again prominent heavy bands, right, 489 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:31.759 so obviously a google Ghost, I was like, do Ghost 490 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:34.079 have like a platinum album? And as far as I 491 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:36.119 could tell, they have one in Sweden, but they do 492 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:39.440 not have an American certified platinum album in the way 493 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:40.880 that taken back to Eden's would be. And then I 494 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:42.440 was like, what about Bringing the Horizon, And as far 495 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:44.559 as I could tell, they do not have one. And 496 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:46.240 you might look at records like Send Paternal and that's 497 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:48.759 the Spirit which obviously be around way longer than sleep 498 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:50.799 Tokens albums, and as far as I can tell, they 499 00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:55.680 have not been either. So a genuine rarefied air thing 500 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.880 that that album from three years ago has gotten to do. 501 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:05.079 So that's again an interesting stat Nonetheless, otherwise, we have 502 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:07.400 got a whole bunch of just album announcements really to 503 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.440 rattle through. Chelsea Wolf, who obviously shared those two singles 504 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.559 the other week, she has shared a third one called Cold, 505 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:18.279 but also the news that her album is called The Dark, 506 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:20.720 sharing the name of one of the previous singles she 507 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:22.680 put out, and it's going to be out on August 508 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:25.079 the twenty first, which is the same week that she 509 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.079 headlines ARC Tangent and also plays a show in London, 510 00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.960 which I'm very fucking jealous of, you know you having 511 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:31.519 trying to. 512 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.240 Get tickets for that because I've not fingers and sell Tomorrow. 513 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:35.799 I'm gonna I'm gonna try that because I've not seen 514 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.160 Chelsea Wolf yet and her I think she's doing The 515 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.119 Dark in full in the Dome in like a time, 516 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.640 which is a small Yeah, that's going to that's going 517 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:45.200 to be a kind of a cool show to see 518 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:46.720 some you. I'm gonna try and get to that. 519 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.759 Yes, but just obviously know I don't want to talk 520 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:52.000 about too the song too heavily, but just to confirm 521 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:54.079 off the back of the previous two songs, which are 522 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:56.720 more of again the kind of the you know, earthy 523 00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:59.880 folk music type route of her material after obviously the 524 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.240 previous album was more like electronic. This new track cold. 525 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.000 I remember when we were talking about the previous singles, 526 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.400 it might have been The Dark, but Elliott compared one 527 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:09.119 of them to Florence in the Machine and we sort 528 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:10.599 of giggled a bit. And then I heard this one, 529 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.000 and I think this one is actually a little bit 530 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:16.079 more like definitely going that kind of alt folk, you know, 531 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:17.759 sort of direction for this one. 532 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:20.559 Yeah, I think it's it's it's one of the cool 533 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.240 things about Chelsea Wolf where she can kind of like 534 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:24.640 climb out for it and it still feels kind of considered. 535 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:26.640 But this is I said that that old folk thing, 536 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.640 that from Streme thing. It's probably the most she's ever 537 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.480 sounded that. I think it's cool, though, I'm down to 538 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:34.000 storp here. I wonder for again, the album will kind 539 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:37.240 of go into like sha like more shadowy trains with 540 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.079 this particular sound I'm guessing against versically they kind of 541 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:43.480 hint that that, but yeah, I'm I'm intrigued. It's I'm 542 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:44.920 glad it's going to be a very different vibe to 543 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:45.440 the last. 544 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.279 Album you always imagine it will be. I'm on a math. 545 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.079 I've announced their album. It's called The All Father Awakens. 546 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:53.519 It's out October the second, and yes, it does feature 547 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.279 that acoustic song that I briefly mentioned on I Think 548 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.599 last week's show. I Hate Breed have got their new 549 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:02.680 albums called Fatal Paradox and that is going to be 550 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:04.440 out later in the year. That was going to be 551 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.160 out in November. I believe as much as we love 552 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.000 Hatebreed right, and we do love Hatebred and we talk 553 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.920 about them regularly, I will say the last Hate Breed 554 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.839 album is the most like completely memory hold by the 555 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.319 world at large has happened. Like even when it comes 556 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.839 to their festival settlists. I know that some people say, oh, yeah, 557 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.440 everything passed two thousand and nine or whatever. It might 558 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.000 not be as good as the Glory Days, but you 559 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:26.680 can trust, like, you know, looking down the Barrel today 560 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:31.079 became their biggest song, like literally, whereas the last album 561 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.559 they don't play anything off it, like it completely came 562 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:35.079 and went. Yeah. 563 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.400 I think that last album was decent, but it was 564 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.319 it landed before Hatebreed kind of re cement themselves in 565 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.480 the hardcore scene fair yeah like, and they were just 566 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:47.720 kind of like riding off the wave of sort of 567 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.640 them in the melt scene. So I think this new 568 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:51.720 album might actually make more of an impact. I think 569 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.440 the lead single off It Killed Can Increase is a 570 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.160 fucking banger and ends with one like the sickest most 571 00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:59.880 parts Hatred have written in a long time. So I'm 572 00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:03.440 like they are channeling their hardcore side. They are getting 573 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.680 back in touch with that kind of vibe. It's like, 574 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.079 so I wonder if that's gonna make this album. Maybe 575 00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:12.000 won't do so well with you know, the download festival. 576 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.599 You're kind of like Fest of Masais crowd. But if 577 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.680 you want just kind of pure, like violent mosh anthems, 578 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:19.519 I feel like Hate we might actually delive on that. 579 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:21.880 I'm kind of excited. And you know, there's a John 580 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:23.960 Tardy guest spot on the album, on the track this, 581 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.359 there's a CC cover, So I'm like, I was just 582 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.319 uite like, I'm kind of down for this Hate We 583 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.359 record like I've got a good, good feeling and it 584 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.839 could be, could could come, and it's like, oh yeah, 585 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:37.960 that lead single is good, the John Tidy guess what's called, 586 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:38.920 and then the rest of it does get kind of 587 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:40.519 memory hold again. But I want to. 588 00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:44.400 Believe, all right. Also in that Vain Pain of Truth, 589 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.480 who had a pretty well liked Daily album a few 590 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.559 years ago, they have announced their second album, which is 591 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.079 self titled, and that's out on September the twenty fifth. 592 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.519 And also on the confirming album fronts, you know records 593 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:00.079 that we've already had music from, but now we have 594 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:01.880 news about the albums. Uncle Assen and the Dead Beats, 595 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:05.200 the Eternal Enemies of Damon, Albara and the Guerrillas. Their 596 00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.119 new album is confirmed. It's called Shapes of Midnight and 597 00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.680 that's coming out on September the eighteenth, again September. Shaping 598 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.839 up pretty well at this stage in time, employed to serve. 599 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.079 Speaking of bands we've had music from recently, they have 600 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:22.079 dropped another potentially I guess, standalone single. They had a 601 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.200 single called Dead Reckoning, which came out in May, and 602 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.519 obviously this is you know, they've had their their Fallen 603 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.359 Star album last year, wasn't it. So I don't know 604 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:31.880 if this seems like it would be quite soon to 605 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:34.960 be expecting another album, but they are dropping like a 606 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:39.200 series now of individual tracks. This one's called a Moment 607 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.039 Gone Too Soon. And when Mark and I were speaking 608 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:43.680 about on the show of the Week that they released 609 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.200 that previous record, and we were like, this is, you know, 610 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:49.240 considering fall and Star had experience more melodies and electronics 611 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.119 stuff like that. That track was like, oh suffocation, like 612 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:55.960 more of the brutal death, no influence, And this one 613 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:58.839 I was sort of expecting, you know, a second track 614 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:00.680 in a row to go in a differ direction, but 615 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.920 this one actually still very death metal influence, like very 616 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:08.119 clearly drawing on, you know, Sammy's love of death metal ripping. 617 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.039 And then there is a really fucking cool, like proper 618 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.319 naughties metal corese style heavy metal lead guitar flourish that 619 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.359 comes in the chorus as well, So full on, we're 620 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.640 back to like genuine ripping metal stuff after maybe the 621 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.160 previous record still had that for sure, but you know, 622 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.039 again explore some of the other shades as well. 623 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.279 Yeah, and again I liked that last Employed SEF but 624 00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:32.400 it was the first one I kind of had to 625 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.559 kind of like grap all of them doing things that 626 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.319 were again a bit more commercial leaning, and and I 627 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:38.559 was like, they do it work better than a lot 628 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.960 of bands, but it was kind of like a flavor 629 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.160 was going they had to adjust to them doing these 630 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:44.880 two songs. Again, I wasn't there to review the first one, 631 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.559 but I was like, this is like so fucking good, 632 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.119 and this new one, I think I prefer the previous 633 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.319 one to this new one, but I don't know if 634 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:53.599 this is going to be you know, just in between 635 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.079 alms out where we'll get there the sort of the 636 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.279 real gnally employed to stuff. And then the alms might 637 00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:59.599 again play in a bit more of the sort of 638 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.119 like modern metalcore thing that they were doing on the 639 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.400 last album. But I mean, this is a really fucking 640 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.319 cool single and if it's to go along with this tour, like, 641 00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.119 that's sick. If we get a new album an ounce 642 00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.279 soon off the back of these singles and they're on 643 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:12.920 it's that's sick as well. 644 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.119 So yeah, I'd love an EP, like, give me a 645 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.200 five to six track EP of the employees. 646 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:20.920 I'm just doing a deaf metal EP where it's. 647 00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:25.240 Just like blasting and slamming employees. Yeah, like twenty five 648 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.480 minutes of that. That would That's what I would manifest. 649 00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.160 And they are doing a UK and Europe co headline 650 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.680 tour with the Danish death core band Cabal going through 651 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:39.839 November as well, so they might well be coming somewhere 652 00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.799 near you. And finally, also on the touring front, Warning 653 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:47.240 have announced a UK headline tour around of five dates 654 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.839 supporting their new album, which came out a month or 655 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:52.880 so ago. And I'm really excited for this because I've 656 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.759 seen Warning twice and both times they've done Watching from 657 00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.240 a Distance in full, because that was basically the only 658 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.400 material that they had that people wanted to hear alive 659 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.920 and I as someone who I still fucking love that 660 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.400 new album they put out, and the idea of go 661 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:09.000 and see Warning like not at a festival, but headlining 662 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.400 their own show in a you know, a smallish venue 663 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.200 as they are doing with a combination of like you know, 664 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.359 tracks pulled from like a real proper band, you know, 665 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.200 like a just setlers drawn from you know, across their records, 666 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.039 old and you is really exciting to me. So in 667 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.400 December when they are playing Birmingham, Glasgow and Manchester, Bristol 668 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.279 and London, if you also want to share in that, 669 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:34.400 then Warning are coming around. So let us move on 670 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.079 with the show. And firstly I want to talk a 671 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.119 little bit about what we are doing over on the Patreon, 672 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.119 which is the place where we do our best stuff. Essentially, 673 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:46.920 like you want the best podcasts that that's not metal makes, 674 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.559 they're on the Patreon because that is where we designate 675 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.920 a topic and we go in deep. The most recent 676 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.880 thing that we completed last week was the final parts, 677 00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:02.599 the fourth concluding part of our band special on corn 678 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.079 a special that in its totality across those four parts 679 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.000 I think is something like a bit under sixteen hours 680 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:14.799 of diving into the band who invented new metal and 681 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.799 spread that across the world and the influence and the 682 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:21.279 long term effects for our world that has had, but 683 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.880 then also went off and made a whole string of 684 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.400 their own albums kind of in their own bubble to 685 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.480 all sorts of varying degrees, really really fascinating. This final part, 686 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:33.960 we were looking at the four albums that they have 687 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.519 made since Head returned to the band includes some real 688 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.519 like career highs records like the Nothing that we were 689 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.599 going in deep on, like why they were such standouts 690 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.519 for them at that point in time, and also summing up, 691 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.680 like I said, the strange last couple of years they 692 00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:50.400 had had where they haven't even put out an album 693 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.599 in the last couple of years, and yet the paradigm 694 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:56.759 has shifted, yeah, if you like, in terms of where 695 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:58.279 corn City we were trying to get to the bottom 696 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.079 of that and assessing that and where they overall sit. 697 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:02.799 And as I've said a couple of times, that was 698 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.079 a special of one of the most influential bands that 699 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.039 we were talking on the show, Like I think that 700 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:12.680 they are batting around the top five of the most 701 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:16.559 influential heavy metal bands of all time and the bands 702 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.599 of that statue that we had left to do. They 703 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:21.640 are the one that was like they were a specter 704 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.119 over us for many, many years. People wanted us to 705 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.000 do it, and having done it and having completed it, 706 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.359 I'm proud of the effort we've given it. So that 707 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:31.559 is out there over the next couple of weeks. Having 708 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.039 completed that, that obviously took a lot of our time 709 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.759 and attention working on that over the last few months. 710 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.119 But over the next couple of weeks, we've got some 711 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.599 other stuff that we want to be doing. We do 712 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.079 want to bring back T and M does Horror, which 713 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.799 has been essentially on you know, kind of a hiatus 714 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.599 slumber over the summer as we have been busy, Sam 715 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:51.440 was away, etc. But we do want to bring that back. 716 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.039 And it turns out it's been a crazy few months. 717 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:56.279 Like you dipped at a time when horror went fucking 718 00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:57.599 mental and. 719 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.480 Like the two movies coming out whilst I was away, 720 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.119 being like the two most like talking point horror movies 721 00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:04.720 of the year, I was like, great, cool, missing out 722 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:05.240 on all of it. 723 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:07.839 Yeah, but we're going to sort of, I suppose try 724 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:09.400 and sum up a little bit what's been going on 725 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:13.000 over the summer. Obviously, we have to talk about the 726 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.599 obsession of the season, right obsession, which has if you 727 00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:18.920 have been following just movies, let alone horror, but just 728 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.679 sort of movie numbers and stuff, it's been a genuine 729 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.719 phenomenon in a way that very few movies achieved. So 730 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:26.599 we're gonna have to talk about that. We also want 731 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.599 to talk about the new Evil Dead movie that's just 732 00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.079 come out, Evil Dead Burn as we always want to 733 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:32.599 talk about Evil Dead. So those will be the two 734 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:34.960 primary movies of discussion in our next episode there. But 735 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:36.639 I think we're also maybe a little you know, to 736 00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.400 just touch a little bit on again some of the 737 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:41.559 stuff that's happened over the last few months, movies like 738 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:43.519 you know, backrooms and so on, everything else has been 739 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:45.440 going on, so we have that to get to. But 740 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:47.239 we're going to be doing an album club episode. The 741 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:48.440 last one of these we did was a couple of 742 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.039 months ago when we looked at the likes of bringing 743 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.880 the horizons count your blessings ahead of what has now 744 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.599 happened with the twentieth diniversary celebrations and all of that. 745 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.679 But we are going to get back to it myself, 746 00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.760 Samon Elliott, and the four albums that we have got 747 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:05.400 assembled for this upcoming album Club Batch are a really 748 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.679 odd ball bunch in a way that has a loose 749 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.519 theming around it that I think is very interesting and 750 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:13.199 will be interesting for us to do and we can 751 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.960 get some stuff out of it. First of all, with 752 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.480 the news of the band's return and one of the 753 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:24.440 most acclaimed, enormous in stature albums that has never been 754 00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.599 on album Club, so we had to get around to 755 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.199 doing it. This is the right time, Faith No Mare's 756 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:34.480 Angel Dust. Then we have one of the most revered 757 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.519 but also one of the most unique, never really to 758 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.840 be quite replicated bands from the goth sphere. We're going 759 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.039 to be looking at Dead Can Dance and their eighties 760 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.920 album Within the Realms of the Dying Sun. Then we 761 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.239 are going to be having some cowboy punk, I guess, 762 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:56.400 with the self titled album from One Social Distortion. And 763 00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:59.519 then finally again another really weird album to throw in here, 764 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.760 but we're gonna have some fun with it. I think 765 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.760 we are going to be looking at Alva's healthcare themed 766 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.480 orchestral noise rock album Blood Inside, a proper weirdo album 767 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:14.840 that most people, I guarantee will have not heard, but 768 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.480 we're gonna have a discussion about it and see what 769 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:18.519 the hell they were cooking on that one. Those four, 770 00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:23.599 like I said, really eccentric records all over the shop 771 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.519 are gonna be going under the album club microscope next time. So, 772 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.320 like I said, if you want to hear that, as 773 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.079 those episodes go out live, you can hear them on 774 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:37.719 That's Not Metal Patreon, patreon dot com, slash That's Not 775 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:44.000 Metal right into the reviews today and looking at this bunch, 776 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:49.920 I'm gonna warn people up front, it's not smooth sailing. 777 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.719 I don't want people to sort of tune out of 778 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.119 that and go, oh, they're just gonna be negative nancies whatever, 779 00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:59.840 because we're not broadly painting with the brush right tar 780 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.480 this that or the other. But I think certainly I 781 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:04.239 can speak for myself even in some ways that maybe 782 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.960 you don't. I don't know, but I think collectively we 783 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.079 might have some difficult feelings about some of these albums. 784 00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.599 But these are some massive albums that are some of 785 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.119 the most again noteworthy in the T and M calendar 786 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.119 of this particular year. So let's get into them. And 787 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.639 the first one of those is Loathe with their new 788 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.960 album A Stranger to You, which is one of the 789 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.480 most anticipated heavy album releases of the decade. Actually because 790 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:35.519 finally after six years five if they count, and the 791 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.280 Little Ambient one. But yeah, after six years, we have 792 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.599 got the new Loathe album in twenty twenty, I let 793 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.119 it In and it took everything, became one of the 794 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:48.199 biggest breakout metal albums of this current decade, an album 795 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:52.800 that made them incredibly central to the modern metal conversation, 796 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.400 to the point that, like, I know, they did have 797 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.679 a debut album in twenty seventeen, but twenty twenty felt 798 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.480 like when Loathe blew up to the points of almost 799 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.679 leaving anything before that in ancient history. You know, It's 800 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.639 almost like Rose to Judah into sun Bath. Like they 801 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:09.000 were peripheral to the conversation in twenty seventeen, and in 802 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:14.159 twenty twenty, very suddenly they were unignorable. And that album, 803 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.320 in its reception and the way people continually down the 804 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.360 line have taken it to heart is one of what 805 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.840 I think you might call the gen Z metal classics, 806 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:26.880 where if you talk to people under the age of 807 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.199 I'll say under twenty nine because I'm twenty nine right now, 808 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:31.559 and I feel like this is something that I have 809 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.679 sort of distantly observed rather than being actively part of. 810 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.360 But what are you know that demographics favorite metal albums? 811 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.320 I let it in and it's if everything I think 812 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.800 is an incredibly popular choice. And if you were to 813 00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.000 look at, you know, the massive medical bands of that generation, 814 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.559 you might say that the kind of the big three 815 00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.360 of that are like Sleep, Token, bad Omen, spirit Box, 816 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.159 Loathe or almost like the artistic favorite, like a little 817 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.119 bit of rung below those bands in terms of size, 818 00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:57.159 but the love that people have for them and the 819 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.599 praise that they lavish upon them is kind of a 820 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.760 step beyond and in his own world to the point that, 821 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.480 like I said, back in twenty twenty one, we reviewed 822 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.679 an ambient album that they put out just because there 823 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.239 was so much interest in what Loath were going to 824 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.039 do next after le and it took everything and instead 825 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.639 of carrying on that momentum and striking while the eyron 826 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.679 is hot, they have taken six years to follow it 827 00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.920 up properly. We have been talking for so long about 828 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:24.760 the next Loath album. Recently, when they played Outbreak, I 829 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:26.800 went back and I looked at some coverage of the 830 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.760 last time I went and they played, which was Outbreak 831 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.320 twenty twenty three, and their people were saying, let's not 832 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.400 wait too much longer for the new album now, and 833 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.880 that was that was half the time ago, and Sam, 834 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.800 you and I have had conversations in those six years. 835 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.039 How you know, interest has seemed to ebb and flow 836 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.360 in that time, as you know for everyone else musical 837 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:48.679 life has had to simply carry on. 838 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.599 It's such a bizarre to me this in this amount 839 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.360 of time, like for so many people, that the interest 840 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:57.159 of low will have like come and gone because they 841 00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:01.000 took so long. But the idea that a new band 842 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:04.559 could take six years to follow up an album ten 843 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.000 years ago that would have been like Chris suicide taking 844 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:08.920 three years to follow up album was considered too long 845 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:10.400 and you were past there and you were thrones to 846 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:12.840 the side. The fact that there is now the patience 847 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.000 to let Loaf take this long is feels insane. And 848 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:19.840 the fact that actually in the long run it is 849 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:21.639 the smartest thing they could have done because it has 850 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.679 let their legend grow in the six years they like 851 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:26.840 Ireland and took everything was like a big deal in 852 00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.800 the UK. I think when it came out, But over 853 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:31.599 that six years now this album has kind of like 854 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:35.880 spread and they are like it is earned its place 855 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.360 as like like as seen as like one of the 856 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.320 great metal albums of the like I said of the 857 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.159 twentifefth century, that crowd, that octane gen z, metal core 858 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.840 crowd whatever, like the sort of thing they look at 859 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:51.239 Eilean and like it is it's their white pony. It 860 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:55.079 has that level of like like And again I like, 861 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:56.400 I really like that a lot. It was in my 862 00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:58.800 top twenty of that year. I don't I don't look 863 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.679 at that. I'm on that regard, but that younger audience do, 864 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.679 and I think fair enough because it was I mean 865 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.480 to me, it was now that exposed that metalcore crowd 866 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:11.199 to more sounds that were just metalcore and pop music 867 00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:13.000 like that, that's all that sort of we're kind of 868 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.800 getting from their metalcore and love kind of like offered 869 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:18.880 additional flavors and that, and then you know, the ambient 870 00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.239 album kind of showed that they could do more. And 871 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.239 again I was very much like, come on, guys, come on, 872 00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:26.440 you just get the album. Like and I My interest 873 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:28.559 did wane over the years, but for a lot of 874 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.960 people taking so long, it's just meant that legend has grown, 875 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.320 that buzz and that e Simon has grown. And so 876 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.280 this this new album is this mythical like fear and 877 00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:45.280 oculum style long awaited like biblical second coming album because 878 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:48.639 because that six year wait has allowed Loaves kind of 879 00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:52.360 like stature within that Again, I'm insing that is within 880 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.559 this core like fan base, that is where this Loaves, 881 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.360 that is what Loath I'm mainly marketing to, and that 882 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.400 is where Low are going to have their most success now. 883 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.679 And they have kind of like deified Low in the 884 00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.199 build up to this album, and it's meant the long 885 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.639 way it has meant the album is more exciting than 886 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.760 it could have possibly been if it had come two. 887 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.639 Three years after after I let it in. It's covering. 888 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:19.400 I do agree about again the sort of you know, 889 00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:23.559 tool esque mythical reputation, even in just six years compared 890 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:24.760 to you know, fucking thirty. 891 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:27.800 Yeah, the time rames are different and the scalars different, 892 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.199 and it is, but again I want to that's gonna 893 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.039 be saying the album in general is that. But for 894 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:35.639 again the metalcore crowd who are oh yeah yeah. 895 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.960 For that demographic, it's absolutely comparable, like you were saying, 896 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:43.280 and my relationship with Loathe is a bit of an 897 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:46.079 unsteady one, I would say, because this is here obviously 898 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:47.960 as lead review, because as we've said, this is one 899 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.360 of the most anticipated and I would say important albums 900 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.079 of this year. But it is also I think important 901 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.960 for us as people approaching this reviewing this to establish 902 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.559 that there is that bit of a disconnect in that 903 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.840 we are reviewing the new album from a band where 904 00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:08.079 to their primary fan base they are a already legendary band. 905 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.599 They are, to their converge, their death tones, right, they are. 906 00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.960 This album is everything to again that that demographic who 907 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:16.960 have been waiting for it in that way, and we 908 00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.039 merely thought they were good to begin with, and I 909 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.239 let it take everything. I agree it is a good album. 910 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.559 I think one of the best of their contemporary scene, 911 00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:28.960 even for the reasons that you were saying, But it 912 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.840 is not within one hundred miles of being in contention 913 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.320 what for what I think the best heavy albums of 914 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.800 this decade are right, and you again agree, very fine album, 915 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.480 But you've suggested, like you said, that you've maybe drifted 916 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:42.800 away from the little bit in that time when I 917 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.000 let it came out, I remember saying this, like they 918 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.960 are a clearly really talented and able musicians with a 919 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:53.280 dynamism way beyond what mostly passes for metal court these days. 920 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.239 I hope they can come out with something more original 921 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.360 next time, and to be fair, they have like this 922 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:03.039 album is less van fleet for Deftones than that record was. 923 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:06.039 This album does show I think the kind of creatives 924 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.159 that Loathes are primarily interested in being in what they 925 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.960 have made after six years is not just part two 926 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:16.320 of that record, nor is it even really an expansion 927 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:18.719 of the things that might make Loathe more sort of 928 00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:22.599 broadly universally appealing, you know, like this is, whatever else 929 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.519 we might say about it's one of the densest, most 930 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.079 complicated albums made by a major metal band this year. 931 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:33.159 For a commercial metalcore band to do an album like this, 932 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.320 I think is really admirable because this album it is 933 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.920 like I don't I'm not gonna say's slow band because 934 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:41.440 I don't think it's like a slow burn, but you're. 935 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:42.360 Right, it is dense. 936 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.840 It is weaving in so many different styles and elements 937 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.760 and even again not just playing to what the metalcore 938 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.679 crowd go for. I know, like obviously we've gone here. 939 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.000 Like Sleep Took can have somehow managed to sell kind 940 00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:01.559 of like weirdly ambling long form of like gent instrumentals 941 00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.079 with a pop vocal like that that do kind of 942 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.039 like go into weird places. They've managed to sell that 943 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:10.159 to a crowd, and Loath are like not doing exactly that, 944 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.280 but it is. It is just fascinating how the milicle crowd, 945 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.000 who I associate with some of the most just cookie cutter, 946 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.039 they will lap up anything sort of thing. And maybe 947 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.519 this is this is the why Loath have been so good, 948 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.599 because they fit in that sort of crowd, but they 949 00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.079 offer they do offer more and again on this album 950 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:28.480 they offer even more. 951 00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:29.840 So I think that's why this album. 952 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:33.079 Might be like a mind daughtering, like oh my god, 953 00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:35.440 there's so much more out there experience for all that crowd. 954 00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.239 I do think that ambition is going to be the 955 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.039 is one of my sticking points with Loath on this album. 956 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.480 It's a really like my thing of this album are 957 00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:48.679 really complicated because I admire the fuck out of the 958 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.239 swing Loath of Taken. 959 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.199 And We'll get and I think there are things about 960 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:53.800 it that work. 961 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:56.199 I think there are things about it that I've just 962 00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.320 left me completely cold. But it is like again, like 963 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.360 someone who really likes I think this album for my 964 00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:04.880 taste and what I think is and just in terms 965 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.159 of actually like for all its ambitions and sort of things, 966 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.400 I think it is a worse album because I don't 967 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.360 think it works nearly as well as that album, but 968 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.320 it is in a way a more interesting album. 969 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:20.320 Yeah, I agree. I'm very mixed on this. I think 970 00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.360 this album is in many places very cool, and I 971 00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:27.360 would like to say that, like I said, I admired 972 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.280 Loathe Dynamism compared to their peers on I Let It In, 973 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.840 and here they are continuing to stream in that direction. 974 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.320 Our biggest criticism of so many bands like that is 975 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:41.480 how interchangeable they are, and that's certainly not Loath At 976 00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:46.440 this stage. They are like pretty wildly at times, striding 977 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:48.880 into their own direction of things, and quite a bit 978 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.360 on this album I would also say is really good. 979 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.360 I don't know if this album congeals and is able 980 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.719 to become more than the sum of all the different 981 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.280 things they've thrown in the pot together, and particularly how 982 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.639 they have tried to package and wrap up those things together. 983 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:10.719 It is a series of moments for me inside a 984 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.559 package that is just as often quite amusing, and I 985 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:18.800 think it would be maybe easy to go overcooked, right Obviously, 986 00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:20.559 it is one of these really really fucking long in 987 00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.519 the making, you know, Chinese Democracy esque albums. It could 988 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.599 be easy to say they've spent too long on it. 989 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.039 I can't say if that is the case. Overall, I 990 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.159 would like to applaud this album because, like we're saying, 991 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.079 there is very evident ambition on show. This is an 992 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:41.119 album that wants to innovate, and they have taken six 993 00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:44.039 years from their breakthrough album with the intent of coming 994 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.480 out with something that goes far beyond what they had 995 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.280 done before. This is again it is a metalcore album 996 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.719 that it's base, but it contains hip hop music, industrial 997 00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:57.320 shoe gaze, R and B dance music, and it can 998 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:01.320 be thrilling like the fact that Low with what already 999 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:03.639 a band who are aiming towards that kind of cinematic 1000 00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.119 sort of appeal in their albums, and then they get 1001 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.880 to the first track on this entrance bringing you into 1002 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.719 the world of the album. It genuinely it sounds much 1003 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.920 more like the intro to a jazz rap album like Legitimately, 1004 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.840 and that alone is a massive statement and it sounds 1005 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:22.519 beautiful genuinely, and it's such a beguiling introduction to the album. 1006 00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:26.800 I was like, right that immediate kind of opening gambit 1007 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:28.800 or entrance with like I say, like this like sort 1008 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.679 of like jazz club intro with a sort of spoken 1009 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:33.519 word poach you've been going on over it like it is. 1010 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:35.559 It is a way to sort of say that this 1011 00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.760 is more like than just a sort of metcore intro track. 1012 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.920 We are that the soundscape stuff they were doing on 1013 00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.119 the on the Ambient album, there's bits of that in there, 1014 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.239 and it is very kind of like classy sounding. I 1015 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.360 was kind of like I could see some people kind 1016 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:51.159 of bouncing off of this and maybe, oh, it's very 1017 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.400 pretentiou because I think is quite financial by taping album. 1018 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.079 But at the same time, I think there is a 1019 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.039 real conviction behind it. I don't know who it is, 1020 00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.920 the guy they've got doing the prior's I know it 1021 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:03.119 is like a guest contributor, but like he like is 1022 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:05.800 doing it again with like a gravitas to his delivery. 1023 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:11.320 The backing music is like classy and more interesting than again, 1024 00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.559 what any of Love's peers could could think to come 1025 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.960 out with, So I think it's a it's a cool 1026 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.599 way to start the AMP and it does grab your attention. 1027 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.239 I think it is a strong like even if it's 1028 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.320 one that I'm like I remember saund I might sometimes 1029 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:25.760 to skip over it just to sort of get the songs, 1030 00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.679 but I think it is an interesting and I say 1031 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.760 bold way to kick off what is a bold album? 1032 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:34.400 I really like the way again just a meet. When 1033 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.039 I put this album on, the first few seconds of 1034 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:37.840 it makes me feel like I'm going to be, you know, 1035 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:41.320 really experiencing something. The album takes three minutes and forty 1036 00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.400 seconds for a metal guitar riff to come into, and 1037 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.480 it's not you know, fust about attention spans. At the 1038 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.440 same time, there are parts like that I think again 1039 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.320 sort of particularly that the beginning of that second trackers 1040 00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:55.519 into and then you look at the long outro of 1041 00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:57.920 Gifted every Strength as well. There are quite a few 1042 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:03.599 parts of absolutely the superfluous extensions of things undercutting momentum. 1043 00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.800 Eventually block of Flats, which is that second track comes 1044 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.159 in and it has this like other guitar riff that's 1045 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:13.679 much more like a really gleaming like shaft of light 1046 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.840 kind of refracting at you and odd angle. They are 1047 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:18.079 again clearly not from just the opening two minutes this 1048 00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:21.159 album alone, not a diamond does a metical band. They're 1049 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.519 clearly amongst their scenes mostalented musicians. I don't know if 1050 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.039 they are as good overall across this album at being 1051 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.960 hyper experimental as they think they are. And we kind 1052 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:32.079 of felt this when when we had Gifted Every Strength 1053 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:34.559 came out as a single over a year ago. I'm 1054 00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:36.480 kind of shocked it's on the album because it felt like, 1055 00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:40.360 considering it came so long ago, like it was, you 1056 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:41.840 know again, almost to stand alone thing. And I wonder 1057 00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:45.119 if the fact that that song came out over a 1058 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:49.000 year before the album does speak to the the overall 1059 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:53.480 tweaking and gestation. Yeah, the idea that they were working 1060 00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:55.440 on this album even past that single coming out, you know, 1061 00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:58.440 but when that track came out with that first big 1062 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.719 piece of new Loath music in year and a lot 1063 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:03.960 of people were like, what is this like big long 1064 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.800 chain of genres and experiments non song. And the thing 1065 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:10.039 that gets me about that song is it's got actually 1066 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.719 a massive riff. But I do come out the other 1067 00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:14.920 end of it and I go, would it pain you 1068 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.639 to write a memorable tune, boys, and that is exacerbated 1069 00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:22.519 by the production on this album is fucking baffling, and 1070 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.360 I am conscious that for regular listeners here we might 1071 00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.360 just sound like old bitches at this stage, constantly yammering 1072 00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:32.719 on about one key production jobs on particularly metalcore albums, 1073 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:35.159 going ooh the mastering. You know, there are albums coming 1074 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:36.800 up in this review show that are going to say 1075 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:41.360 some things about as well. But it is utterly bizarre 1076 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.159 some of the choices that have been made here, to 1077 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.119 the point that it has to be I think one 1078 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.280 of the major talking points about this album, like, it's 1079 00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:49.719 not just us who are highlighting this, it's a clear 1080 00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.559 stylist decision what's going on here, And it's not just 1081 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:55.719 the usual bad production that all metal bands have. Now, 1082 00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:00.519 it's uniquely weird decisions going on with this album. And 1083 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.760 I think with Loathe right, their albums are done basically 1084 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.639 in house, like they are a quite fiercely dry about 1085 00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:11.960 it actually self producing band, and in one element maybe 1086 00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.239 you can respect that, but for the love of God, 1087 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.719 we've got to stop their guitarist from producing their records. 1088 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:21.559 Because when this album is heavy, it is the muddiest 1089 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.440 sound I've heard on a record. This side of My 1090 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:27.679 Name is mud by Primus, Like it is so oddly 1091 00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:32.000 mixed where the bass drum is so dry and upfront 1092 00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:35.079 where it sounds like it hasn't been mixed properly compared 1093 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:38.000 to then the guitars, which are like water logged. It's 1094 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.519 this weird thing of sounding underproduced and overproduced simultaneously, and 1095 00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.800 it's not consistent. Right there are again, like we was 1096 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.280 saying about the cogestation of the album, it veers from 1097 00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:49.960 track to track block of flats. When it comes in 1098 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.079 with the full on riff is like really overstimulating with 1099 00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:54.920 the way it has this like dance feeling there as well. 1100 00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:56.679 And I actually find that when the way that song 1101 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:59.360 hits you, it is quite exciting, I think. But then 1102 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.280 you've got songs like Fortress Down, which is this like 1103 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:05.760 higher end, quite dreamy song in the guitars, except you 1104 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:09.079 can't hear that because you've got this graceless, fucking wet 1105 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.199 hamhock of a bass drum all over the top of it, 1106 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.159 or Harder to Pretend, which is a shoe gay song 1107 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.639 except someone is flicking an elastic band against your ear 1108 00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.719 approximately once every second. It's demented that portions of this 1109 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.119 album have gone out the way they have, like. 1110 00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:29.199 The heavy parts of the bits, where again that the 1111 00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.159 production immediately jumps out to me is like and again, 1112 00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.559 this isn't me going all the horribly overseused guitar tone 1113 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:36.519 the guitar. 1114 00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.280 To on this is just different. Yes, it just there's 1115 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:39.960 something wrong. 1116 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:42.079 Like it feels that they have pushed all them up 1117 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.199 to make it as loud as possible, but it just 1118 00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:48.840 sounds like like there's like like blown out sound. It's 1119 00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:53.119 like I like I I again, I think they're trying 1120 00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:54.880 to avoid falling into the traps of a lot of 1121 00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:58.360 like modern milcor production. They're not trying to do that 1122 00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.920 kind of like pro guitar sort of jake sound that 1123 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.239 all these band's doing. But what they've hit is like 1124 00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:08.079 something else that just sounds off that you're right with, 1125 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:10.559 like the drum thing where it's like drying wed Like 1126 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:12.360 I think, like the production with some of the melodic 1127 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:14.159 bits is really nice. There were something like the more 1128 00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:17.119 like dancy riffs that sort of skip along and I 1129 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:19.960 think they sound really cool and I'm like, great, you're 1130 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.199 you're doing round this. But every time the distortion kicks in. 1131 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.519 There's distortion on like Kideam's focus at times where he's 1132 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:28.320 screaming and it like it's drowned down. I was like, 1133 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.920 I was like, what is the reason for these decisions? 1134 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.760 It's it just it takes me out so many of 1135 00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:36.559 these songs and it isn't again, it's not consistent throughout 1136 00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.599 the whole record. The production changes and like like they're 1137 00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.039 clear trying to like play with different sounds depending on 1138 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:43.400 what they're doing on the songs. And I think that's 1139 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.000 a cool idea in practice, look in theory, but in 1140 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.519 practice and what they've actually come out with, I just 1141 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.199 don't think it works. Like the most parts in this 1142 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:56.440 album just sounds so like overwhelming, but not in a 1143 00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:59.079 like oh my god, that's really heavywhere it's just like 1144 00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.559 blowing out you speak, because in a way that doesn't 1145 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:05.199 sound cool to me. It's it's mean banging out. Production 1146 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.840 isn't my again, it's not my usual metalcord production complaints. 1147 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:11.719 I just think this album's production is just messy and 1148 00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:15.679 weird and it and not conducive to getting the best 1149 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:16.440 out of these songs. 1150 00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.719 Yeah, Like I say, it's uniquely odd in how the 1151 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.719 production because it does again fluctuate it you can clearly 1152 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:24.880 tell it's a kind of an in house job rather 1153 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.559 than just again the other extreme of what we were 1154 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:29.920 talking about, where everyone goes to the same producer and 1155 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:30.639 puts the same. 1156 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.519 Same sim sound and the same guitar. Yeah right, name redacted. Yes, 1157 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.599 Like this is the other extreme end of it, where 1158 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:41.760 it's just like a bit of a car crash at times. 1159 00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:44.360 And obviously there is there is a Code Orange link 1160 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:46.599 in that. There's the presence of Nowhere to Run on 1161 00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:49.039 the song Revenant, which those you know very distinctive like 1162 00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:50.639 noise squalls and stuff, and I do like that a 1163 00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:52.760 fair bit. It's great to hear Jamie in there as well. 1164 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:54.840 But I was thinking about when when Under and Underneath 1165 00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.280 by Code Orange came out, which is their densest record, 1166 00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:00.719 when that came out, and they a lot of expectation 1167 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:02.199 off forever. Obviously there was a. 1168 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.079 Vocal contingent of people who were saying this is so 1169 00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.039 messily produced, like it hurts my ears, this doesn't work, 1170 00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:11.400 And I didn't agree in that case, but this I 1171 00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.360 can kind of hear what they were experiencing, and the 1172 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.000 school of like twenty twenty six, even what we were 1173 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.360 saying about the Static Dress album when we reviewed that. 1174 00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.440 On the last episode, Rath reviewed Bag, which we will 1175 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.679 largely praise that album, but we were talking similarly about 1176 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:27.679 the kind of bespoke production from track to track and 1177 00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:31.320 how it fl fluctuates. It doesn't. Not every song sounds 1178 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:33.079 as neat and tidy as the next song, and then 1179 00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:36.239 lo and behold, I look, that's produced by the loathe guitarist. Right. 1180 00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.719 I think that's a guy who this is his approach. 1181 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:42.440 And I think if bands aren't going for the interchangeable 1182 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.320 plug in sounds, there's this other direction of bands who 1183 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.639 have this instinct for messier production. And I don't know 1184 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:51.679 if it's a thing of everyone who's got too many 1185 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:55.119 tools at their disposal now or what, but the big 1186 00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:59.159 low genty guitars on this sound messier than the original 1187 00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:02.039 mixed version of Much Sugar's Nothing from two thousand and two, 1188 00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:04.920 and they were basically inventing that as they went. Like 1189 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.599 I said, that hard to pretend song is wildly aggravating. 1190 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:11.199 You cannot tell me that that song is served better 1191 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.000 by that mental bass groove that they've cranked up the 1192 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.519 way they have in that the guitars on Gemini, which 1193 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.719 is one of the heavier songs, are this like absurd 1194 00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:23.400 computer regurgitated sludge, and I don't know if that is 1195 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.920 a case in that song of them trying to match. 1196 00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.239 Later on, there's like a mad, like gabberish kind of 1197 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:32.440 hard bass bit that comes, but it's I don't know 1198 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:34.639 if they're trying to you know, match the heavy part 1199 00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.280 of the song to when that part comes in, but 1200 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.519 it's a horrifically blown out sound, and to me, for 1201 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.760 as dynamic and involved as this album is with all 1202 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.119 its components, it's the thing that makes it sound amateurish. 1203 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.320 It's like it can't keep a grip on all of 1204 00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:49.880 what it's doing. And I was thinking about like that song, 1205 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.800 for instance, I was thinking about AFI and their song 1206 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:56.480 Death of Seasons and it has this rave edm break 1207 00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:59.079 that comes in and like the middle of a punk song. 1208 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:03.000 And how with the grace of like proper high end producers, right, 1209 00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.639 they pulled that off and it sounds seamless, and it 1210 00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:08.960 seems a lot more impressive now after hearing something like this, 1211 00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.559 which is you know, wild eclectic, I would say, almost 1212 00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:13.800 completely graceless. 1213 00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.119 And this is again why I don't think that. Wheen 1214 00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:17.719 of people think, you know, it's a slow Burn album. 1215 00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:18.519 I was like, I don't think it is. 1216 00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:19.400 I think it is. 1217 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:21.480 There's a long songs and the long one, but it's 1218 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:23.239 rushing to get some of these ideas out and it 1219 00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:25.360 sort of froze them in there well, like I say, 1220 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:26.920 with a sort of a lack of grace, so that 1221 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.320 the transition between genres and styles it doesn't always hit 1222 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:33.360 with like these like the seamlessness that you would like, 1223 00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:35.400 say that Death of Seasons one. Some of them just 1224 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:36.920 feel so jarring and it's kind of like, yeah, we're 1225 00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:38.480 doing a heavy ban now and there's a pop bit 1226 00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:40.559 and the shuegos ben it's a dance bit, and and 1227 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:42.559 they don't flow in the way that makes the song 1228 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:44.559 was kind of like, oh, this is a cool sort 1229 00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:48.079 of industrial rave metal song. It's kind of like it's 1230 00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:50.599 an industrial song, and then it's a metal so and 1231 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.079 it like and it just it leads to again a 1232 00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:54.800 clunky stort thing. And again part of that is times 1233 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:56.320 of production. I think part of that is just down 1234 00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:58.760 to the songwriting. And again, where they have I don't 1235 00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:00.480 know if they've just quite kind of figure out how 1236 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.920 to sort of tastefully weave these ideas together. But it 1237 00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:07.559 does just it does just make the songs kind of 1238 00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.880 feel very slap dash at points and again just kind 1239 00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:13.599 of rushing to show to show their hand. I think 1240 00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:15.920 the second half the album is has problems in a 1241 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.000 different where I think it slows down then too much 1242 00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:20.199 in the second half and we get songs that that 1243 00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:23.159 languishing ideas for too long where they should maybe. 1244 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:25.559 Tren sort of experiment things a bit too much. 1245 00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:27.639 Like the first half the album is kind of like 1246 00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:31.639 overloaded with ideas and it's like impressive in a way, 1247 00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:33.559 but it also then just it's none of it kind 1248 00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:36.320 of flows into making the best songs. I think Revenant 1249 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:38.199 it's probably my first sorong there and they know where 1250 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:39.000 to Run sort of thing is there. 1251 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:40.280 But I think it's the most. 1252 00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:43.599 Cohesive song and kind of like just doing this kind 1253 00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:48.280 of like stabbing electro hardcore kind of like what the 1254 00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:49.800 code on is no where to run something within just 1255 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:51.760 think it kind of it hits on that for just 1256 00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:53.079 the entire sort of thing of the song. It is 1257 00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:56.679 the most abrasive, glitchy electro hardcore thing that Code Orange 1258 00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.320 perfected and it's doing it, and the like the Demonic 1259 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.320 Jamie Guessp is like pierced on Fews, and that's one 1260 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.119 was like, You've delivered the most cohesive, considered song the record, 1261 01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:07.920 and I'm like, that's do the heavy songs. 1262 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:09.039 That's the clear standout. 1263 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:11.679 And then other songs have like moments and ideas I 1264 01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:13.360 think are great, but they never stick around for long 1265 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.679 or they kind of just clunkily collide into the next 1266 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:17.559 idea and. 1267 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:20.599 It kind of makes me like, ah, you've kind of. 1268 01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.079 Spoiled the vibe I was enjoying there, and it just 1269 01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:25.960 it just means I can never fully settle into the 1270 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:27.519 groove of what this record is going for. 1271 01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:30.840 Yeah, of the heavier songs, I agree about Revenant, but 1272 01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:32.480 to swing it back to some of the stuff that 1273 01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:34.679 I think really works, I think some of the better 1274 01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:38.599 stuff is when they stop interfering with themselves and loathe. 1275 01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:40.119 I think it was already kind of a thing in 1276 01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:42.320 their identity that they were bringing in more of this 1277 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:46.440 kind of soul element into both their melodies and the 1278 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:49.639 instrumental textures as well. And because part of the problem 1279 01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.800 is that the heavier stuff it's so overdone. There's barely 1280 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:56.280 any actual hooks, like for a major mainstream metal album, 1281 01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:58.719 and considering their last album did have at least a couple. 1282 01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:01.320 Two mirrors when they're best sort of vocal melodies that 1283 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:01.920 they've come out with. 1284 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:04.920 I don't think it's everything their strongest suit, but choruses 1285 01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:08.039 are swallowed up in the morass on this and ultimately 1286 01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:09.519 coming out the other end of this album, I could 1287 01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:12.159 barely sing you, certainly a vocal melody. I can't sing 1288 01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:14.440 from you, which is a major problem. But when they 1289 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.719 throw themselves into some of those like more soulish textures 1290 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:21.239 while same simultaneously showing the you know, the restraint to 1291 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:24.199 let them breathe. I think some of the best stuff 1292 01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:28.239 is the Way It Breaks, which is basically a shoegaze track, 1293 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:31.880 but it has both this sort of cybernetic trill that 1294 01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:33.960 the record has, which is quite engaging sonically, and then 1295 01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.159 gradually it brings in more of those things like those 1296 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.239 R and B derived bass parts and a guitar lead 1297 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:44.280 as well in that which cool flavored Oh yeah solo nice. 1298 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:46.719 I like this, this is this is good? Yeah, I 1299 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.920 said that mixture of like you know, they've taken shoegazy 1300 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:51.599 ort rock, which is fucking again Diamond Dozen. All these 1301 01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:53.360 bands want to do it, but at least they've given 1302 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.360 it again that kind of like soulish r and bish 1303 01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.239 influence and texture, which to me makes that mixture feel 1304 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.039 soon per Low like that feels like a trick and 1305 01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:04.920 a combination of things that is theirs. I don't really 1306 01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.920 like the song the Ladder, That kind of acoustic guitar 1307 01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:09.480 rhythm feels a bit too. 1308 01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:12.599 I think it's, yeah, the one that's really misjudged in 1309 01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:14.679 the back half of the record. I think this is 1310 01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:18.400 like acoustic ballad sort of thing. Is it's sappy in 1311 01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:20.000 a way that I don't think Loath have ever been, 1312 01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.920 and it just it feels again, just a bit misjudged. 1313 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:25.519 There's something about that kind of slightly sort of syncopated 1314 01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:28.239 like again acoustic strumming that feels a bit too like 1315 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:30.840 quirky indie chirpy for me. But and again it has 1316 01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:33.440 an absolute for a ballad type track, It has an 1317 01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:36.000 absolute vacancy of a chorus. But I will say sonically 1318 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:38.119 again that song is more inlaring with what I'm talking 1319 01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:39.280 about in terms of it does have a kind of 1320 01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:41.920 more of control over itself, harder to Pretend, which I 1321 01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.360 mentioned is a ghastly song sonically for the first two 1322 01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:47.199 minutes of it. But the best bit of that song 1323 01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:49.880 by A Miles is the outro where you get this 1324 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.519 little lounge break with the piano again chimes, that kind 1325 01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:54.239 of that intro track that the album had, and then 1326 01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:55.920 the interlue track that follows as well, and I think 1327 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.239 that element on this record, when again it's not being 1328 01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.559 interfered with, those parts do sound actually fantastic and they 1329 01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:06.320 give it some shine. And then you get Fangs, which 1330 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.760 is in a heavy sense, like because it's built off 1331 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:12.480 a big fuck off gent groove, right, but it's still 1332 01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:16.599 basically are kind of R and B almost funk song, 1333 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.400 and it's almost like the kind of shit that I 1334 01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:23.239 hate about Sleep Token, except Loathe are much much better 1335 01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:26.880 and more authentic with it. It's not completely mortifying hearing 1336 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:29.360 them go there, and it actually complements what they do 1337 01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:31.079 really well. I really like Fangs. 1338 01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:33.320 I really like Thangs because I like that R and 1339 01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:36.559 B mixed with down tune mosh grooves. It's one of 1340 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:37.920 the I think against one of the best songs in 1341 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:39.199 the sort of the second half of the record. I 1342 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:43.239 think Fangs and what's me and my makers? And when 1343 01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:44.679 you say that, those are the two that are like 1344 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.280 in the back off of the record, I think are like, 1345 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:49.679 this is cool you You've got an idea. And again 1346 01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.159 in Fangs case, it is a genre mashing idea, but 1347 01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.320 it's cohesive and consistent and you've kind of just zeroed 1348 01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:57.360 in on doing this R and B kind of flavor 1349 01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.000 over like I say, just like fuggish down tune mosh. 1350 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.800 And that like that works and I bet the Issues 1351 01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.719 found in You is speaking to that as well. Exactly. 1352 01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:08.559 No, but that is exactly And when you said the 1353 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:10.519 Cio comparaison, it's like, yeah, but I think because again 1354 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:13.119 it's the one time with the heavy thing doesn't actually 1355 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.920 totally sound awful, like I don't know getting the heavy 1356 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.079 productions on that song. Maybe maybe just because the vibe. 1357 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:20.480 Of the song is a bit more interesting. Could well 1358 01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:22.679 it has a clear riff rather than just a fucking 1359 01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:23.480 pile up right. 1360 01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:25.280 Yeah, exact, but yeah, no, that's it. And that's why 1361 01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:27.280 I think that song works for me, because it is 1362 01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.000 it is, like I say, there is a riff. It 1363 01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:32.800 is big and chunky, but the vocal stuff is just 1364 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.039 more interesting and it's a it's a nice genre meld, 1365 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:37.360 whereas some of the other things that they mel and 1366 01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:39.239 the genres they don't. They kind of just go one 1367 01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:41.480 genenre wandrument and just sort of flip between the two. 1368 01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:43.199 This kind of puts the. 1369 01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:44.960 Two together on top of each other and like and 1370 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:47.039 they gel in a way that you wouldn't think they would, 1371 01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:48.079 but it works really well. 1372 01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:50.119 Yeah, I would say that those couple of songs with 1373 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.159 Fangs and the way it breaks and stuff are the 1374 01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:54.559 best tracks on the album for me, where they they 1375 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:57.639 balance all these things that they are doing the best 1376 01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.559 on the album. I do wish even in some of 1377 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.559 those cases, I wish I actually loved the songs, and 1378 01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:08.400 I think that's actually even more than the nightmare mixing 1379 01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:10.559 job that's going on lots of this. I think that's 1380 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.199 my biggest thing that stops me coming back to Loath 1381 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:15.559 because on an intellectual level, and it's very tempting to 1382 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.039 do this when you're doing a review, right, you look 1383 01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:18.679 at all the different things an album does and you 1384 01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:21.039 go like, Wow, isn't this incredible. Look how dynamic and 1385 01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:24.159 forward thinking and all the stuff it is. But even 1386 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.400 some of the things that I think work, like particularly 1387 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:28.199 the soul element I was talking about on a track 1388 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:30.360 like Fangs, I don't actually go much love for them 1389 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:33.559 as songs because the record is mostly hookless, like the 1390 01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:36.119 riff and Fangs is really big, but again, what's the chorus? Right? 1391 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:39.679 And in a way that stopped me loving. I let 1392 01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:41.440 it in and took everything as an album because I 1393 01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:43.239 had a couple of standouts. You know, is it really 1394 01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:45.559 You is the one that I always think is really 1395 01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:47.599 great on that album, But I don't think it's a 1396 01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:51.880 phenomenal collection of songs, and this, while it is much 1397 01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:55.519 less derivative and much more commendably like genuinely original for them, 1398 01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.280 I think is worse in that regard because it's so 1399 01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:03.280 again like like overstuffed, and it feels like the element 1400 01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:06.559 that they've paid the least attention to is are these 1401 01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:09.920 songs memorable? Are they impactful? Are they you know? Do 1402 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:12.960 they connect with the listener rather than just shoving everything 1403 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.880 into them? And I think it's worth saying that it's 1404 01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:17.840 certainly it's one of the most more original amount of 1405 01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:20.199 records this year. It's certainly among the most ambitious, and 1406 01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:23.039 you always want to praise that, but yeah, maybe it's 1407 01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:26.800 it's the amateur production. Maybe it's that they are experimenters 1408 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.159 more than they are great songwriters, which I will always 1409 01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:32.360 say in the best bands, those are not mutually exclusive things. 1410 01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:35.800 In the best bands, they're experimenters and they write great 1411 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.599 songs with those things. Either way, I'm left admiring some 1412 01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:41.880 of the swings this album takes more than actually connecting 1413 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.360 with very much of it, and my head wants to 1414 01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:47.440 praise this album way more than my heart actually does. 1415 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:50.239 I'm exactly in the same position with you on this 1416 01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.480 one again, like I kind of like came in more 1417 01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:55.159 negative and then kind of fumal listeners kind of like, 1418 01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:56.639 well that, okay, I can see where they're going with 1419 01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:58.719 some of this, sure, but I do just like I 1420 01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:01.159 mean again, like there is nothing on the level of 1421 01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:03.039 Two Way Mirror, which again, Two Way Mirror is one 1422 01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:04.719 of the most kind of like this is just a 1423 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.679 deaftone song, but it has a hook, It has that 1424 01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:10.480 melody that's stuck with me for six years, and I 1425 01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:13.320 think it's still Low's finest moment where that is the 1426 01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:16.480 song that see him live. It is the standard moment 1427 01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:18.320 of the set because it is that single or moment 1428 01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:20.960 that that actually the song stands above just the kind 1429 01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:24.480 of like vibe almost and that's what this album is missing. 1430 01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:27.119 And I'm not saying, you know, they should ditch Experimentation, 1431 01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:28.519 but just if they could have found a way to 1432 01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:32.719 weave choruses and hooks and memorable sort of things I've 1433 01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:34.480 been trying so hard to not make. 1434 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:37.880 Let's just say there's another band who achieved. 1435 01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:41.480 That that thing is there is and I'm like, they 1436 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.760 have hooks that have stuck in my head for so long, 1437 01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:46.719 and I'm like, it is possible to do it. And 1438 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.679 that's again where that that experiment a great songwriter thing 1439 01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:51.880 that you still mention that to not be meet excuse 1440 01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:54.639 of that as an example, and again I want loath 1441 01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:57.599 to carry on being experiment as being the sort of 1442 01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:59.719 these sort of mavericks they are, because I think they 1443 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:02.920 may the metal cores scene that again a huge by 1444 01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:05.840 of this words, I'm just so I'm so tapped out 1445 01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:08.320 of that metal cores scene. It is the commercial medical 1446 01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:10.960 scene I like has lost me like and that that 1447 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:12.920 is one of the big differences between me and twenty 1448 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:16.760 twenty and me now is I'm so out of that. 1449 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.000 I feel like a lot of metalcore but the commercial 1450 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:21.079 out of it is just not for me anymore. I 1451 01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:24.680 want Loath to continue to push that scene and fuck 1452 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:28.239 around and ben the genres that and it's hopefully expose 1453 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:29.720 those fans to more into music and if they get 1454 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:32.800 into over and then they do broaden their horizons into 1455 01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:35.479 more interesting mans. If they discover cool shoegay stuff off 1456 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.840 the back of this love record, great. I just think 1457 01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:42.239 as an album, it's ultimately not what I want to 1458 01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:44.319 listen to, and I think that that's the simple st 1459 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:47.960 I think this album is worthy of praise in a 1460 01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.600 lot of ways, but I think has huge issues that 1461 01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.479 just mean I'm not gonna go back to listen to 1462 01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:56.079 it in the way that I would the previous Loath album. 1463 01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:58.960 Yeah Where Are You Sitting With It? A Stranger to 1464 01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:02.359 You by Loath And next up we are going to 1465 01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:05.760 obviously the biggest band in this particular episode. I don't 1466 01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:07.560 know how many people will have been awaiting this quite 1467 01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:10.640 as feverishly as the lower one, but we have it. Nonetheless, 1468 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:15.880 it's Muse and the Wow Signal, the tenth album from 1469 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:20.640 one band that will always bring us together. Muse absolutely 1470 01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:23.039 one of the biggest stadium rock acts in the world. 1471 01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:26.000 I won't believer the intro beyond the point of laying 1472 01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:27.840 out what Mews for anyone who might have come to 1473 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:29.359 us in the last couple of years since the last 1474 01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:32.199 time we reviewed a news record what Mews particularly mean 1475 01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:36.159 to us in that you and I Sam have a long, 1476 01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:40.000 long relationship now of you know, following Mews together in 1477 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:44.000 real time from different perspectives, and then every few years 1478 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.840 we get our little state of the address together about it. 1479 01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:51.159 They are to me one of them single most important 1480 01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:53.560 bands in my musical life, Like they are the band 1481 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.399 that I was all consumingly obsessed with when I was 1482 01:09:56.520 --> 01:09:59.039 eleven twelve years old. They're pretty much the band who 1483 01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:01.279 taught me what the idea of progue was, for instance, 1484 01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:07.439 and that basically clued me up that I would like bombastic, grandiose, ambitious, 1485 01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:10.159 you know, forward thinking kinds of music. I know that 1486 01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:12.520 they are muse and their long past being considered cool, 1487 01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:14.319 but that to me was enormous and I think that 1488 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:17.039 makes them hall of famous. In the two thousands, they 1489 01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:19.159 were one of the single best bands in the world, 1490 01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:21.800 and I'm not interested in debating that with anyone who disagrees. 1491 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:24.760 They just were for that period of time, Sam, there 1492 01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:28.079 was a point around the Resistance and the Second Law 1493 01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:31.159 where you and I were at polar opposites on them. 1494 01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:34.760 If we were to track ourselves on the graph, I 1495 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:38.159 was still up high, still loving those albums. You were 1496 01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:42.119 at a drastic low. And then over the following albums, 1497 01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.920 our graph positions began to sort of invert and meet 1498 01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.640 in the middle where I began to sink in my 1499 01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:53.039 assessments of the albums, and you, I would say, primarily 1500 01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:57.000 through the sheer power of comedy and willful stupidity, began 1501 01:10:57.159 --> 01:10:59.720 to climb and warm on them. And so on. The 1502 01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:02.319 lone last couple of albums, which have generally, I think, 1503 01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:04.880 at large like they are perceived as the low's like 1504 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.560 simulation Theory and will of the People are overall the 1505 01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:12.000 worst reviewed, I think, particularly one of the people of 1506 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:15.000 the worst reviewed MWS albums. We've sort of met in 1507 01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:17.640 the middle. It's been a long journey together, but certainly 1508 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.960 in our time doing this podcast together our muse positions. 1509 01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:24.039 Actually we're not so different after all, are we? No? 1510 01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:26.039 I think I think that's a fair assessment. I think again, 1511 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:28.960 like I'm with you two thousands of mus I'm like 1512 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.279 I will not dare to say the two thousands of 1513 01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:33.199 music albums are bad. 1514 01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:33.920 I think they are. 1515 01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:36.359 Like I don't care so much for the debut, but 1516 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:41.159 like from the nineties anyway whatever, ARGI symmetry, great record 1517 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.119 for the record, but like, yeah, like it's not what 1518 01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:46.079 I'm as into, but it's a good I think it's 1519 01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:48.640 a good record. I think like like say obviosly symmetry, 1520 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:51.680 hysteria and backwards and relations like unbelievable records. They are 1521 01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:54.640 as good as two thousands rock music gets. 1522 01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:56.880 Like I won't dare. 1523 01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:59.279 Say a bad word against those records. They are they 1524 01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:02.880 stand on their own. And then the resistance like began 1525 01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:05.359 the downfall. I lost him from the album the second 1526 01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:08.520 law killed it. I was like, this is fucking dreadful. 1527 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:11.279 Oh my good Drones of a rock band again, No, 1528 01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:15.319 Drones is boring as shit and stupid. And then simulation 1529 01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:19.800 theory just through sheer like darkness kind of like started 1530 01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:23.119 to crack my like cold like icehold like news heart, 1531 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:26.119 and then the One of the People. It had the 1532 01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:29.399 first MWS song that I would genuinely think, I like 1533 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.880 since like black holes in my revelations sort of muse 1534 01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:34.760 in you know, you feel like it's Halloween. I mean 1535 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:37.640 that song is fucking great. It's stupid, it's daft. 1536 01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:38.880 I think that song is brilliant. 1537 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:43.279 So yes, I am like generally, even if I think 1538 01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:46.920 though those museums aren't good, I can get enjoyment out 1539 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:48.800 of the last two music albums in the way I 1540 01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:51.560 couldn't out of particularly the second Law and Drones. 1541 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.720 I would say, it's been this funny period of sort 1542 01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:56.479 of throwing our arms together and going, you know what, 1543 01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:58.640 at least we've got you make me feel like it's Halloween. 1544 01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:01.640 At least we've got properand and these things that are 1545 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:05.960 so outwardly ludicrous that at least we could have a 1546 01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:08.399 laugh about them. I do think as a genuine News 1547 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:10.840 fan actually trying to find some real merit in those. 1548 01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:15.039 Both of those last two albums have moments and tracks 1549 01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:17.520 here or there that have a bit of spark to them, 1550 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:20.239 but very clearly there is no comparing them to the 1551 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:23.359 period when News were credibly a brilliant band. And now 1552 01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:26.199 here we are at the Wow signal And despite the 1553 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:29.039 stupid title, this one has been getting a different sort 1554 01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:31.960 of buzz to those last couple of News albums. Enemy 1555 01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:35.960 called this their best album in twenty years. Kerrang have 1556 01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:39.159 called it their best in a while, Louder called it 1557 01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:42.199 their best in a while. Athney Fantano gave it a 1558 01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:44.119 four out of ten, but did say that makes it 1559 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:49.119 their best in a while. And there has been talk 1560 01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:50.960 from several people kind of you know, in and around 1561 01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.279 our community going, you know what, that New News album 1562 01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:56.079 is actually pretty good. It's much more like the old days. 1563 01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:00.359 And there is a world Sam where we come into 1564 01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:04.920 this review. And as the historically hardcore MWS fan, that 1565 01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:08.319 is my view, and I cannot imagine a world where 1566 01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:09.960 that was your view. But there is a world where 1567 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:11.479 I come in and that is my view. And we 1568 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.119 have a big argument here about this album, like it's 1569 01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:16.359 two thousand and nine and it's the Resistance all over again. 1570 01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:20.439 That's that's not the world, but I'm in instead, I 1571 01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:23.000 am going to be the voice of everything that is 1572 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:26.439 opposite to that particular view, where not only is this 1573 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:28.960 not any sort of return to form to the golden years, 1574 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:32.000 I actually think this mus album might have the least 1575 01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:34.479 going for it of previous News albums. 1576 01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:37.920 I think this could be the worst mus album, Like 1577 01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:40.520 I think this could be as bad as the second law. 1578 01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:44.239 I think the second law is fucking dark side of 1579 01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:45.239 the moon next to this thing. 1580 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:47.039 I mean, I saw him, you. 1581 01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:47.920 Likes fair enough. 1582 01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:50.800 I think this album, like, I mean, firstly, it is 1583 01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:52.199 the worst kind of mus album in that I think 1584 01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:55.680 it's boring. I think this album there are moments of 1585 01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:58.560 kind of like bombast and all that, but for me, 1586 01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:02.760 this is a band tasting the glory years and just 1587 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.720 sounding washed. Like this is my big one with this 1588 01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:09.960 album is it's so clearly they're trying to recapture the 1589 01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:13.560 peak years of Muse, But there's so much about this 1590 01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:17.319 I think like is bad that Like it's got it's 1591 01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:19.920 all blust and bomb bass, but there's no actual drama. 1592 01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:22.119 Like there's loads of like orchestra, and when I think 1593 01:15:22.159 --> 01:15:25.079 that's like, you know, I don't like the resistance, but 1594 01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:27.199 the orchestral stuff on the album, what's. 1595 01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:30.720 The the extra Genesis suite, which is fucking unbelievable. Brother 1596 01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:32.399 the way, and if people ever dismissed that album, I 1597 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:34.800 go at least it has that and you can't fucking. 1598 01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:36.479 Yeah, Like, I don't know the album, but I can 1599 01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:41.239 admire that as a kind of like exercise in maximalist 1600 01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:44.359 insanity and I think that I can, I can kind 1601 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:45.880 of go, well, you know, fair enough, there is that. 1602 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:48.079 I mean, the or carera stuff on this sounds so. 1603 01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:52.319 Like just blur and just kind of like it's there, 1604 01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:56.159 but it's not actually exciting and maximalist I think, I mean, 1605 01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:57.680 I'm just gonna I'm gett all my negives out the 1606 01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:01.159 way because like I'm just going in. Like my biggest 1607 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:04.039 is on this album is Matt Bellamy's vocals. I think 1608 01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:06.640 he has It's the worst he's ever sounded. I like 1609 01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.199 he is trying so much this album to do this, 1610 01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:11.000 to do the full set of thing that he's you know, 1611 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:13.159 always kind of been in a single thing, but like 1612 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:14.840 he can't actually hit it anymore. He sounds like he 1613 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.560 is straining through it. And maybe they're like they've tried 1614 01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:19.239 to give him more human production sound on it, but 1615 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.279 I'm like, it just sounds like he's struggling to sort 1616 01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:25.039 of sing like that anymore. I think it's all blustering melodrama, 1617 01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:28.079 but there's no actual like power to it. The songs 1618 01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:31.640 don't stick around in my head that the best riffs 1619 01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:36.159 are like like cryogen is if plugging baby or shit, 1620 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:38.800 like he is trying to tap into that kind of 1621 01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:42.439 like classic wirdily kind of like alien music guitar if 1622 01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:43.920 that like the plug Baby one is one of the 1623 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.640 greatest of it of its era, and then the Cryogen 1624 01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:50.880 one is fucking rubbish Cryogen I can never cry again, 1625 01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:55.079 What the fuck are we doing? Like like like I 1626 01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:59.319 think he is so bad on this album and outside 1627 01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:01.800 of it, like there's no songs that are funny. The 1628 01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:04.600 songs just like I've got a lot notes of some 1629 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:06.720 of the songs and other songs, I'm just like, it's there, 1630 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:09.800 it's the Muse song. It's it's I'm doing the thing. 1631 01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:11.399 I'm sory as you'll go through it all kind of 1632 01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:13.039 chiming and what my issues with some of these songs are. 1633 01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:15.840 But I just I found this to just be the 1634 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.760 biggest chore of all the albums we're reviewing this week 1635 01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.760 to actually get through. I was so bored and just 1636 01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:25.159 kind of like struggling to find things to stay about. 1637 01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:28.760 So many of these songs. Yes, Simulation Theory I actually 1638 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:31.800 think is half good. It has some awful bollocks on it, 1639 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:33.800 and it was significant to me as a Muse fan 1640 01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:37.239 in terms of where my brain like finally fully divorced 1641 01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:40.359 from the band in their current state, but there is 1642 01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:43.720 a madman's streak to it that creates some brilliant material 1643 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:45.159 on it as well, Like if you've not heard it 1644 01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:46.399 in a long time and you can't remember the song, 1645 01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:48.279 I mean, go back and listen to the song, break 1646 01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:51.319 it to me. What the fuck were they cooking? It's 1647 01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:54.720 delirious And then will of the people, even Patria, I think, 1648 01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:56.680 but as well as a couple songs like kill or 1649 01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:00.239 Be Killed actually being pretty straightforwardly satisfying, you know, heavy 1650 01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:04.000 Muse riffers. It is where we fully decided together that 1651 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:06.840 as long as Muse were making us laugh, we couldn't 1652 01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:10.119 actually get mad at them because the moments of straight 1653 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:12.680 up nonsense, it's like trying to review, like trying to 1654 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:14.840 critique Crusty the clown. You know, it's just a level 1655 01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:18.600 of silly that we accept it together. And Mews haven't 1656 01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:20.640 made an album on the level of their elite tea 1657 01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:22.239 for a long long time, but as long as they 1658 01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:24.960 continue to make a smile, I did accept that the 1659 01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:27.359 wow signal of all of those publications I mentioned to 1660 01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:28.800 put out their reviews of it, the one that I 1661 01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:30.560 actually chimed with the most believe it or not is 1662 01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:33.800 the Pitchfork one who very neatly laid out the wow 1663 01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:37.000 signal is defined by the meuse paradox, too sincere to 1664 01:18:37.079 --> 01:18:39.479 have fun and too obnoxious to take seriously, and that 1665 01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:42.720 is the problem with this album. It's nowhere near either 1666 01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:47.600 fun or actually good enough to exist on its own merits. 1667 01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:50.640 And it's one of those albums where when it's described 1668 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:52.840 as like a return to form or the classic sound, 1669 01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:54.479 I've seen a couple people go like, oh, this one 1670 01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:56.399 actually sounds like mws instead of them just doing like 1671 01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.239 whatever silly bollocks comes into their heads, it is primarily 1672 01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:02.439 dealing in like thelassic mew sound. For me, it's one 1673 01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:05.000 of those that makes the gap of them doing that 1674 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:08.239 you know then and now much more transparently clear in 1675 01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:10.960 a way that's similar to whatever the fuck that last 1676 01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:13.479 Green Day album was called, where it came out and 1677 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:16.479 people weren't yeah, it's not Father of All Motherfuckers, But 1678 01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:19.039 if you're going, oh, it's classic green Day again, it 1679 01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:21.760 just makes it abundantly obvious how far they are away 1680 01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:24.039 from being that classic band that we knew them to be. 1681 01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:28.600 Because this album is limp and unwieldy in every place 1682 01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.600 where the Mews of twenty years ago were like powerful 1683 01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:34.920 and lively and dexterous. And I can see what people 1684 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:37.319 mean when they're saying old Muse are back, even if 1685 01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:39.880 it's unfounded, because it does as in it trades and 1686 01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:42.720 sounds that are familiar to a Muse fan's ear right. 1687 01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:46.439 The Dark Forest, the opening track, is the most absurd, pompous, 1688 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:49.239 queen bullshit they've done in about fifteen years, and it 1689 01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:52.000 starts the album in a similar manner to songs like 1690 01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:55.479 take About Starting Black Horle and Revelations, where you are 1691 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:57.960 brought in, you know, not with a big rock banger, 1692 01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:00.680 but are really like larger than life, larger than most 1693 01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:03.880 bands could conceivably in the studio, you know, pull off 1694 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:08.119 orchestral pop prog song basically, and that is the shit 1695 01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:10.640 that I once loved from you is like take about 1696 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:13.640 the United States of Erasure Survival. It's the shit that 1697 01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:16.279 turns off lots of people who have more delicate tastes, 1698 01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:18.560 but I would lap it up. This one. I don't 1699 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:20.439 think is bad, but it doesn't make me feel anything 1700 01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:24.760 like for how expensive it sounds and how elaborately arranged 1701 01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:27.439 all those strings and the choirs are and it feels 1702 01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:28.920 like it should have this sort of like you know, 1703 01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:32.159 nice of Sedonia esque space gallop rhythm that they do, 1704 01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:35.479 but it's so flabby and meek, and it somehow kicks 1705 01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:37.000 the album off not with a big bang like that, 1706 01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:38.720 but more more of a whimper. And I think that 1707 01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:42.039 it's so percussion light and driveless. It is that way, 1708 01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:44.039 but even when the actual rock beat does come in 1709 01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:47.640 towards the end, it's really stiff and graceless in the 1710 01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:50.720 way that again, News Are twenty years ago fucking walloped? 1711 01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:53.520 You like that NICs side, don't you Carason I've Got 1712 01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:54.960 My Notes' is the second half of that song where 1713 01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:57.000 they go into kind of like the space western kind 1714 01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:59.840 of like bit and like this you're trying to recapture 1715 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:03.159 that Knights of Sidonia magic, and like all you're doing 1716 01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:07.840 is you're like reminding me how good Knights of Sidonia is. 1717 01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:10.680 And I don't want to hear this limp, stiff like 1718 01:21:11.319 --> 01:21:13.000 reiteration of it coming off the back of this already 1719 01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:17.000 kind of like over the top but not amusing and 1720 01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:21.399 kind of like engaging orchestral intro and it's like the 1721 01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:23.279 topic that kind of just got me off on a 1722 01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:25.680 on a bad notework, kind of like you've kind of 1723 01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:27.840 like done this big intro and then gone into a 1724 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:31.239 worst version of one of my favorite Mews songs that 1725 01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:33.039 that that it was like, are you just kind of 1726 01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:35.159 like going like, look, remember the band wants where this 1727 01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:35.680 sounds like that? 1728 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:36.319 You like that? 1729 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:38.800 And it's where I'm going to go, like, sure, you're 1730 01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:41.159 you're you're training on sounds that are familiar, like I 1731 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:42.840 say that Green album is a really good passion where 1732 01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:45.199 you are trading on sounds that are familiar to what 1733 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.439 your classic sound was, but you can't deliver on that 1734 01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:52.239 anymore for whatever reason. And it stands out more when 1735 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:56.439 I'm hearing like this iteration of mus trying to do 1736 01:21:56.760 --> 01:21:59.000 Knights of Sidonia or as I said on Crouch and 1737 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:01.279 Plugging Baby, when I hear them trying to do it, 1738 01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:03.880 and it just doesn't sound anywhere near as convincing or 1739 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:06.800 and vigorating as it did on those albums, like I 1740 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:11.520 say in the two thousands, it does just make this 1741 01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:13.119 album feel even worse to me. 1742 01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:17.399 Yeah, and then quite hilariously, what they immediately follow that 1743 01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:21.279 big concerto shit Up with is the space dance floor song, 1744 01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:23.960 and this is how dire things are on this album. 1745 01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:26.279 I think night Shift Superstar is one of the best 1746 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:28.880 couple of songs on it. It's a song that I, 1747 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:31.520 if you were to tell me it's utter shit, I 1748 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:34.880 do not feel compelled to defend or disagree with you. 1749 01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:37.520 But I quite like it and in a statement that 1750 01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:40.960 I think equally would make as many people gag as 1751 01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:42.960 it would attract them to it. It reminds me a 1752 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.279 little bit of Automatic era Don Broco, that very particular 1753 01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:49.199 kind of like white Boy Funk with the big fat 1754 01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:52.359 bass line and Matt doing those hilarious falsettos where you 1755 01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:56.079 can perfectly envision in that song the stupid fucking novelty 1756 01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:58.520 sunglasses he is going to wear on stage when they 1757 01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:01.560 play that song, and the thing pointings strutting dance movies 1758 01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:03.479 he's going to do, which mus are not strangers too, 1759 01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:05.079 and they have they have a fewer songs like that 1760 01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:07.239 in their catalog. I don't think this is one of 1761 01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:08.840 the best ones, but it is one of the only 1762 01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:10.279 songs on the album where it has that little bit 1763 01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:11.640 of a viv to it and that little bit of 1764 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:13.960 like oh, mus you devil's kind of charm that we 1765 01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:15.399 were speaking about on the recent albums. 1766 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:18.800 My notes for Nightshift Superstar is KnightShift Superstar is the 1767 01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:21.600 eighties song, you know, the song, that eighties song, the 1768 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:22.239 eighties song. 1769 01:23:22.359 --> 01:23:25.279 Fine, yeah it is, And to be fair, it is 1770 01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:26.159 probably one. 1771 01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:29.039 Of the best songs on the record because like, like 1772 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:31.399 they're having that like I think they're probably it feels 1773 01:23:31.399 --> 01:23:32.640 a woman when you can look like, oh, they're having 1774 01:23:32.640 --> 01:23:34.239 a bit of fun with it, and and that that 1775 01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:37.239 automatic comparison. It is that that modern rock take on 1776 01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:40.239 us of an eighties funk thing, you know, like what 1777 01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:42.159 like some of like the ninety seventy five have done 1778 01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:44.079 a few times. It's that but with a bit more 1779 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.800 kind of like silliness to it because it's mus not 1780 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:50.800 taking it as po fa seriously. I just I mean again, 1781 01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:53.239 it's this is one of the false set of vocals 1782 01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.399 Matter is doing. They just sound really bad compared to 1783 01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:58.840 what he has done in the past. You can you 1784 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:03.039 can hear the cracks showing, and I'm just like I 1785 01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:05.359 would have scrubbed out in production, but I don't know, 1786 01:24:05.479 --> 01:24:08.880 like it's it's it's not the worst one on the record. 1787 01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:10.720 It is one of the least offensive songs. I can 1788 01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:13.439 kind of see it, but it also is just the song. 1789 01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:15.600 And then they follow it with Shimmering Scars, which is 1790 01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:17.720 the Bond theme, you know, the one the Bond. 1791 01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:21.760 Yeah, I actually think that Chris, just to go back 1792 01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:24.800 to Scond, I think Chris Wilson home is the player 1793 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:27.039 who gets out unscathed on this album, like he's the 1794 01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:29.439 star on it. Most of the best stuff, and even 1795 01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:31.239 on some of the bad stuff, he is at least 1796 01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:33.119 putting a shift in. He can come out with his 1797 01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:37.359 head held high. But the songs where they go you know, 1798 01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:39.600 classic news as in the more rocking end. You've already 1799 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:43.159 mentioned a couple of very prominent examples. The rock songs 1800 01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:45.760 on the last album were going much more for that, 1801 01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:50.359 like big distorted influence from modern seven string metal kind 1802 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:52.600 of sound, and there is a little trace of that here, 1803 01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:54.600 But there are much more songs on this that go 1804 01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:57.479 for like again a two thousands mus sort of rock sound, 1805 01:24:57.720 --> 01:24:59.720 And like you were saying, they're the ones that make 1806 01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:02.359 it clear to me how much better they used to 1807 01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:04.640 be at that. And there is a kind of uncannoness 1808 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:07.960 about hearing them reinhabit but so so meagerly, and you 1809 01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:10.039 know you've already said it, but just to address it, 1810 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:12.800 cry a Gin that riff might as well just be 1811 01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:15.960 plugging Baby played backwards, and I don't think cryogen apart 1812 01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:18.039 from that little you know, the chorus line that you 1813 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:19.960 mentioned is funny. I do quite like the little cray 1814 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:22.079 a Gin chorus like it's again it's one of the 1815 01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:24.359 better songs on the album, but it is weird and 1816 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:29.399 uncanny hearing them like borderline self plagiarized like that, and 1817 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:32.520 then in the process also remind me how much more 1818 01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:35.520 alive and explosive plug In Baby is. Very weird bit. 1819 01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:36.640 I don't know if you felt this as well as 1820 01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:38.439 a bizarre bit. In the last minute of that song, 1821 01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:43.600 they do a turnstyle break down like in the same 1822 01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:45.880 way that obviously he was talking about this that on 1823 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:47.840 the previous album. Matt has been paying attention to it, 1824 01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:50.840 listening to like, you know, newer gent metal course stuff. 1825 01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:52.920 I wonder if he's also heard a bit of Turnstile 1826 01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:54.359 on God, I gonna have a little cracker, because there 1827 01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:56.800 was a genuine mus does Turnstile riff at the back 1828 01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:58.600 end of that song, which is it is fine it's 1829 01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:01.439 just weird. But the rock songs, they are delivered with 1830 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:04.359 a sort of stiffness that again, they used to be 1831 01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:08.199 so much more fluid with Hexagons has that like galactic 1832 01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:10.680 space rock field that again, I can see why people's 1833 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:12.840 brains are being tickled, going that sounds like news to me. 1834 01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:17.279 My familiarity senses. They're going off and Hexicans is not 1835 01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:20.000 quite Bliss in the way that Cryogen is not quite 1836 01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:22.760 plugging Baby, and sonically I'm into it well enough. It 1837 01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:25.600 is one of the better songs. And again as those 1838 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:30.079 those fluttery space since are going along like I. Again, 1839 01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:31.960 I'm a muse fan, I'm trained to like that sound. 1840 01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:34.920 But you go back and listen to Bliss and how 1841 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:37.600 it fucking blasts you like you are stood near the 1842 01:26:37.640 --> 01:26:39.800 back of a jet engine. And this song is much 1843 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.479 more I don't know, sort of just well behaved about it. 1844 01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:44.439 And then you get the Sickness in You and I, 1845 01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:46.760 which is just more of a sort of like lump 1846 01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:48.800 and modern rock song that doesn't really have much much 1847 01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:51.840 going for it. It's much more like politely organized back 1848 01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:53.920 when they were wild. And then we flip over to 1849 01:26:54.399 --> 01:26:56.600 the ballads, and this is where I think I've said 1850 01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:59.439 this for a long time. Somewhere in the mid twenty 1851 01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:02.520 tens Matt singing approach. I think he must have obviously 1852 01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:04.319 got some vocal lessons or something, because if you go 1853 01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:07.800 back to listen to Origin and Symmetry or Absolution, that's 1854 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.399 not a trained guy. Like that's a shrieking, huffing ball 1855 01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:13.680 of electricity. And at some point he learned to sing properly, 1856 01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:16.039 but I think he sounds worse. It's just the game, 1857 01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:19.720 Like the mat of the last ten years. Is clearly 1858 01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:22.199 a very different singer to how he used to be, 1859 01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:24.560 and he has this much more composed quality to him 1860 01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:29.520 that also makes it sound just a lot more po faced. 1861 01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:32.000 And the ballads on this they are a world away 1862 01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:36.199 from the great Muse ballads like falling Away from Me 1863 01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:42.000 or Invincible or what have you. Shimmering Scars is very portentous, 1864 01:27:42.359 --> 01:27:45.399 but without really being impressive in the way it needs 1865 01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:47.039 to be. To get away with that and then be 1866 01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:50.680 with you is a fucking sleeper, My goodness, absolutely urgent. 1867 01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:51.199 That song. 1868 01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:54.880 That song is like Coldplayer, imagine Dragons Coded. I mean 1869 01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:56.760 that song is that might be the worst one on 1870 01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:00.000 the record for me. Oh maybe since down the Botto 1871 01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:03.000 Done Them part. I think that song is awful. I think, 1872 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:05.199 like I said, like Shami Scars like it, that to 1873 01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:08.000 me is trying to do the modern Bond theme kind 1874 01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:10.960 of the Presties bonds or themes or thing. I'm always 1875 01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:12.880 surprised mus have never done one because it feels like 1876 01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:13.439 the sort of thing that. 1877 01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:16.359 The Survival would have been the one if they missed Survival. 1878 01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:17.800 They never going to do one better than that, is 1879 01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:18.159 what it is. 1880 01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:20.159 But like Smiy Scars feels like he's trying to do that, 1881 01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:24.880 and you know, because supremacy, I mean not yeah, I 1882 01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:27.880 agree with you, but like those those ones like Beer 1883 01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:30.840 Review is the one that is like the absolute worst 1884 01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:33.479 of it in terms of the ballads on this Yeah, 1885 01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:35.279 and Space to It at the end of the record 1886 01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:36.439 actually is rubbish as well. 1887 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:39.439 Gospel matt In twenty twenty six is like, let's leave 1888 01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:40.800 that shit to cold By, like you're saying, and then 1889 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:44.880 say Space Debris quite boring. And then really bizarrely, mws 1890 01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:48.920 in over twenty five years have never had a guest 1891 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:52.000 feature or a duet or anything like that, or an 1892 01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:55.800 album of theirs, and they've decided to do one, and 1893 01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:58.319 they've gone. Who would be a particularly on the Pulse 1894 01:28:58.399 --> 01:29:02.640 twenty twenty six pick to put alongside Matt Ah, Yes, 1895 01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:09.800 Ellie Goulden with this really bizarre bass groove that sounds 1896 01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:12.279 like other than like heavy Portugal the Man or something, 1897 01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:16.920 and then even weirder vocal parts absolutely half inched from 1898 01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:20.279 Billie Eilish's Bad Guy. It's so weird, like what is 1899 01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:21.880 any of this? Why are we doing this? 1900 01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:26.039 Ellie Gordon doing that kind of breathy vogue against Matt 1901 01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:27.880 doing that. The full set of vocal is a nightmare. 1902 01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:30.520 Like I was like, oh my god, end my torture now, 1903 01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:34.920 like I'm raveling. It's just like, oh no, that's the one. 1904 01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:38.359 It is it hushes, the one with the hush, yeah 1905 01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:39.560 hush of the the duet one. 1906 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:40.600 It's yeah. 1907 01:29:40.640 --> 01:29:42.399 I was like, why in the twenty tens are we 1908 01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:45.560 doing this? Like this is a duet that should have 1909 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:50.439 happened like ten years ago at the latest, Like it 1910 01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:54.199 is a real and again it's it's a really unconvincing 1911 01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:56.199 rock song as it is anyway when it tries to 1912 01:29:56.239 --> 01:29:58.840 get a bit more riffy, but like the duet vogue 1913 01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:00.880 thing just really you put me off. 1914 01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:04.720 Yeah, I just because you mentioned Unraveling. That's my favorite 1915 01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:06.439 song on the album, and it's probably the one song 1916 01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:09.680 that I would unambiguously say as a Muse song that 1917 01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:13.039 I like, and that was one of the singles that 1918 01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:15.680 when we were released, we you know, weren't overly wowed 1919 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.960 by it. But I do think as a continuation of again, 1920 01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:20.560 there were those songs that won't stand down on the 1921 01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:23.520 last album where they were doing that like Mick Gordon influenced, 1922 01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:26.119 you know, down tune modern metal sort of sound. I 1923 01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:29.199 think on that one they fleshed that out into one 1924 01:30:29.239 --> 01:30:31.720 of the better songs that they have done in that lane, 1925 01:30:32.039 --> 01:30:34.880 and that great operatic lift as in the chorus I 1926 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:37.760 think is Matt at his best on this album. So 1927 01:30:38.199 --> 01:30:41.840 that song I think is good actually as just a 1928 01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:46.119 modern Muse song rather than them like impersonating themselves in 1929 01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:48.920 the past like they are on other bits of this album. 1930 01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:51.039 I do think, obviously I have a much higher tolerance 1931 01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:52.880 for mus bullshit than you do. I think most of 1932 01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:56.439 this album is merely okay rather than outright bad. It's 1933 01:30:56.560 --> 01:31:00.479 very listenable for the most part, but not having you know, 1934 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:02.840 what the fuck are you playing at here? Cartoonish lows 1935 01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:04.520 that their last two albums have had. Maybe that is 1936 01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:06.720 something in its favor overall where I could, at least 1937 01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:09.239 from that perspective understand where someone could say this is 1938 01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:11.399 a better album than will other people, for example. But 1939 01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:14.119 because of that, it is the one where I find 1940 01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:18.319 myself most lamenting the loss of the Muse of Old 1941 01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:22.399 because it's not filling in that space with something mental 1942 01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:24.359 and hilarious for you to look at. Instead, it's just 1943 01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:28.600 a fairly meek reminder that they used to be the 1944 01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:31.319 best in the business. And you know, part of this 1945 01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:33.600 is definitely me being a bit sad that mus aren't 1946 01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:35.119 making me feel the way that I did when I 1947 01:31:35.239 --> 01:31:37.319 was a literal child, which always has some element of 1948 01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:40.640 unfairness on the band to be doing that. But go 1949 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:44.119 put origin and symmetry on, or absolution or black holes 1950 01:31:44.159 --> 01:31:45.920 and revelations if you haven't a long time, and this 1951 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:48.760 album has reminded you, because it's easy to forget sometimes 1952 01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:52.239 in our contemporary news poisoned world. But those albums are 1953 01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:57.159 still unbelievable and this album, while not terrible, is not 1954 01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:00.720 up to them. So there you go, the wow signal Muse. 1955 01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:03.520 But there is salvation for you, Sam, because If there's 1956 01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:05.920 anything that you need to cheer you up after a 1957 01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:09.600 Muse album, it's the Men Singers with their eighth album, 1958 01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:12.840 Everything I Ever Saw Sam. Obviously it's the Mensingers. A 1959 01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:15.760 bigger question than asking if this album is good is 1960 01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:18.479 to ask, have you ever or do you think you 1961 01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:22.239 could ever not love a Mensinger's album I'm not crazy 1962 01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:23.159 about Like the first one. 1963 01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:25.399 I think they're cool, but I don't like love them. 1964 01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:28.119 But from on the Impossible Pass onwards, I love everything, 1965 01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:30.039 and I don't think I can not love everything because 1966 01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:33.439 the Mensingers just do my favorite thing in the world, 1967 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:38.079 how basically, and they're doing it again on this album, 1968 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:42.600 and guess what, I love it. I cannot be impartially 1969 01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:46.039 on this one. The Men's this is just this is 1970 01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:48.720 my shit. I'm so locked in. I think there are 1971 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:51.279 ancient discussions have around this album, and like I understand, 1972 01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:53.800 the last few Mensingers albums haven't been as kind of 1973 01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:55.399 like feverishly received. 1974 01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:56.279 I still really like. 1975 01:32:56.359 --> 01:33:00.439 Them, but I think this one it just I'm a 1976 01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:01.000 sucker for it. 1977 01:33:01.079 --> 01:33:01.479 I can't. 1978 01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:04.319 I can't help it. Like I'm going to just be 1979 01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:06.079 gushing about this record and it's going to be on 1980 01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:08.960 you to offer the more reasonable takes and I'll kind 1981 01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:11.039 of like and yeah along with them, I. 1982 01:33:11.079 --> 01:33:13.720 Guess, yeah, But please don't be offended by some of 1983 01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:15.520 the things I will say. And just for the record, 1984 01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:18.640 I also love the Men Singers. For me, they are 1985 01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:20.600 the best band to ever play this kind of music 1986 01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:22.960 that they are playing, by which I mean this sort 1987 01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:27.039 of heartland rock derived lighter strand of punk rock. To me, 1988 01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:29.279 they're the best to ever do that, and part of 1989 01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:32.039 that is their highs are I think better than anyone 1990 01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:33.920 else is in that lane. But also now at this 1991 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:36.479 stage you can start to say longevity as well. Like 1992 01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:40.079 it's nearly fifteen years since the record where they first 1993 01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:42.520 started to get real acclaim with On the Impossible Past. 1994 01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:45.359 Next year it will be ten since what we deem 1995 01:33:45.439 --> 01:33:48.479 to be their landmark classic album in After the Party, 1996 01:33:48.600 --> 01:33:50.039 and here they are, you know, a decade later, and 1997 01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:52.279 they are in fact still good and they have not 1998 01:33:52.479 --> 01:33:56.399 suffered any kind of cataclysmic drop off. I will say 1999 01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:58.439 for me, while that is true, and like I will 2000 01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:00.239 enthuse about the parts of this album that live are 2001 01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:02.199 the things that only the Mensingers can quite do. I 2002 01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:04.760 think we are quite comfortably in the sort of third 2003 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:08.319 phase of the Mensinger's career, which is being you could 2004 01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:11.199 kindly say over the peak of it. The twenty tens 2005 01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:13.840 run whichever is your favorite, and for the record, Hello Exile, 2006 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:15.760 I think is fucking brilliant as well. For me, there's 2007 01:34:16.399 --> 01:34:20.279 a four album run of Mensinger's being absolutely at the peak, 2008 01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:22.239 which is again from the possible pass onto that one, 2009 01:34:22.920 --> 01:34:25.119 but that twenty tens run is definitely them at their 2010 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:27.920 best right whichever your favorite is, and the twenty twenties, 2011 01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:31.279 I think we are certifiably entering more of that punk 2012 01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:33.680 rock middle age. The last album Some of It Was 2013 01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:35.720 True was the first album where I really started to 2014 01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:37.840 feel that and we reviewed it and you were a 2015 01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:40.079 little bristling a little bit at me when I came 2016 01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:42.800 forward with that. To be clear, I still really like 2017 01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:45.720 that album plenty. I've never said it was poor. Hope 2018 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:49.000 is a Dangerous Little Thing is honestly a top tier 2019 01:34:49.039 --> 01:34:52.479 Mensinger song for me, Like for the past three years 2020 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:53.960 since that album came out, that's kind of been my 2021 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:56.000 go to song of theirs, Like that's in the dream 2022 01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:58.520 set list, in the Mensinger setlist easily, and it's not 2023 01:34:58.560 --> 01:34:59.880 the only one on the record. Because you also have 2024 01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:02.159 There's no place in this world for Me a couple 2025 01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:04.520 of the deeper cuts as well. It's a very fine record, 2026 01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:07.560 but I did note that it was quite a bit 2027 01:35:07.640 --> 01:35:11.439 slower and lower energy and just less driven than them 2028 01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:13.399 at their best. And I don't see much point in 2029 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:15.840 ignoring that that is happening to them in the way 2030 01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:18.000 that happens to most bands like them, because if you 2031 01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:19.920 look at the generation of the bands before them, whether 2032 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:24.000 it be Right It's Against or Alkaline Trio or Against 2033 01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:26.159 Me or the drop Kick Murphy's whoever, they all have 2034 01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:28.960 that point where the records take a dip, even if 2035 01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:32.119 we still like them overall, the Mensingers aren't really a 2036 01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:34.079 band where we have a dramatic overhaul or you know, 2037 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:37.319 direction breathed into a record to record, you basically know 2038 01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:39.359 what you're getting. The main point of interest for this 2039 01:35:39.439 --> 01:35:41.800 one from a hardcore fans point of view, is that 2040 01:35:41.840 --> 01:35:44.560 they're back working with will Yip again. Is that right? Yes? 2041 01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:45.079 That is that. 2042 01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:47.560 That is the big kind of different differential factor between 2043 01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:49.479 this and the last records. 2044 01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:52.000 For the record, again, I agree they have slowed down. 2045 01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:55.960 I am just again I love Springsteen, like them showing 2046 01:35:55.960 --> 01:35:58.000 down means they're getting a bit more Springsteen, I would say, 2047 01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:00.720 and that is fine by me, and that I think 2048 01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:02.239 that's just where some people when we come up with 2049 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:05.119 different taste, I understand, like you're going to be really 2050 01:36:05.159 --> 01:36:07.399 worried about the same things and getting me upset. I 2051 01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:10.399 have made peace with people being less infused with the 2052 01:36:10.479 --> 01:36:13.039 Mensingers at this point, I think I get it on 2053 01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:16.680 the last album. I think this album has a lot 2054 01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.079 more to like. I think this like has a lot 2055 01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:21.000 more going for it than that last album does. I 2056 01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:23.119 think this album is like a step back in the 2057 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:27.199 right direction, or back in the right direction, a more 2058 01:36:27.399 --> 01:36:30.840 kind of Aners with more conviction behind it. I think 2059 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:33.640 that is a part of that might come down to 2060 01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:36.199 I think the will yet production job. I think Greg 2061 01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:40.439 is standing closer to the microphone, like like there are 2062 01:36:40.479 --> 01:36:42.479 things like that. I get a lot more of that 2063 01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:46.119 from this record. I think again, like I'm not going 2064 01:36:46.159 --> 01:36:48.479 to say this is a perfect album, but I also 2065 01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:51.239 have nothing I dislike about this album is as simple 2066 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:54.079 as that. I am just so this is my ship. 2067 01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:57.199 This is the sound of like one of my maybe 2068 01:36:57.239 --> 01:36:59.760 my favorite band at this point, doing the thing I love. 2069 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:02.199 And again I've got eleven songs of it that I 2070 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:05.000 think are all pretty much like. I really like all 2071 01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:08.720 those songs. I have one like, the one criticism I'm 2072 01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:11.079 willing to hear about this album is the first eight 2073 01:37:11.159 --> 01:37:12.760 seconds of it sounds like when we when You Were 2074 01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:15.479 Young by the Killers. The one like, the opening riff 2075 01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:18.399 on Chancing Counters is very similar to the riff when 2076 01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:18.800 You Were Young. 2077 01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:20.920 I don't think the whole song, the whole thing is rip. 2078 01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:23.359 I'm like, no, it's it's literally that opening riff, like 2079 01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:25.600 the rest of the song sounds nothing like When You 2080 01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:27.000 Were Young by the Killers apart from the fact that 2081 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:28.600 the Killers are ripping off springs and as well at 2082 01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:29.000 that point. 2083 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:30.840 But whatever. 2084 01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:33.800 But yeah, that's that's the one criticism I I I 2085 01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:36.279 will hobbs like, if you're saying that, I think that 2086 01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:38.119 is fair enough thing to point out that there is. 2087 01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:41.279 Believe it or not that that that did not occur 2088 01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:44.039 to me. I actually think the ceiling on this one 2089 01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:47.359 is lower than on the last one, in that the 2090 01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:51.319 first two tracks on Some of It Was True are unbelievable. 2091 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:53.399 And the way I was saying that hope is a 2092 01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:57.039 danger little thing is genuinely like a all timer men'sing 2093 01:37:57.079 --> 01:37:59.279 a song For me, I'm not actually getting anything to 2094 01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:01.039 quite that level here. But I think the trade off 2095 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:03.880 is what you're saying about the production is it is 2096 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:06.640 perhaps a more consistent listen. It does feel, you know, 2097 01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:10.439 the Mensingers supplying what they reliably supply a little more 2098 01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:13.359 than that record, and there isn't this large gap between 2099 01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:15.840 like the lead off singles and then the album tracks. 2100 01:38:16.039 --> 01:38:19.479 I think this album is really it's really nice, Like 2101 01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:22.800 it's a really good record. It's very cozy, it's very pleasant. 2102 01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:25.439 There's a couple of great songs on it. There's not 2103 01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:27.079 a lot to write home about. I think that it's 2104 01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:30.800 absolutely outstanding, but the thirty nine minutes of it do 2105 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:33.159 you breeze by? There are a couple of less tracks 2106 01:38:33.199 --> 01:38:34.600 on this as well compared to the last album. That 2107 01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:37.840 maybe helps. I think this is one that the absolute 2108 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:41.279 die hard Mensingers fans like yourself might take to heart. 2109 01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:43.000 But if you are a listener who you are a 2110 01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:45.520 little bit more like I go with the Mensingers when 2111 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:48.199 they are really world class, I don't think you might 2112 01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:50.159 be as interested on this one because it doesn't really 2113 01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:51.720 bring anything new to the table, and it is just 2114 01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:55.600 I think still in that like middle career Mensinger's sort 2115 01:38:55.640 --> 01:38:57.640 of mid ground, but it is still really good, right. 2116 01:38:57.720 --> 01:38:59.840 And the thing that gets me with this is maybe 2117 01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:04.640 this is because I don't love many of these bands anyway, 2118 01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:06.239 but even with what I was just saying about the 2119 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:08.439 Mensingers kind of being over the hill, they still sound 2120 01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:11.600 so much better at this than everyone else. Like if 2121 01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:13.920 we think about the Mensingers when they came along, they 2122 01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:16.000 were kind of picking up the baton that someone like 2123 01:39:16.039 --> 01:39:18.479 the Gaslan Anthem had put down right before it. And 2124 01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:20.239 if we look at the bands to have come after 2125 01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:22.960 the Menzingers who are doing this now, I guess Spanish 2126 01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:25.680 love songs. Even on the contemporary emo side, you've got 2127 01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:28.159 someone like Hot Mulligan who feel like they've sort of 2128 01:39:28.199 --> 01:39:30.039 filled the space at the Mensingers where maybe filling ten 2129 01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:33.399 years ago. That's what you know, this demographic of rock fan, 2130 01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:36.680 that's what they are into right now. And I don't 2131 01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:38.760 think the Menzingers, even at this stage in their career, 2132 01:39:38.840 --> 01:39:41.439 have been surpassed. Like they're just way better at this 2133 01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:43.640 kind of songwriting than anyone else around. And that is 2134 01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:46.279 evident to me from chance encounters, which I think does 2135 01:39:46.680 --> 01:39:50.000 if not again, as it's not a telling lies it's 2136 01:39:50.039 --> 01:39:51.920 not in America, You're freaking me out. It's not a 2137 01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:54.000 hope as a dangerous little thing. But it is continue 2138 01:39:54.039 --> 01:39:57.600 the tradition of great Menzinger's album openers, where it is 2139 01:39:58.199 --> 01:39:59.880 you know, it's not as purely energizing as though so, 2140 01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:02.920 but it is still fucking great and it is inspiring 2141 01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:04.720 with that Greg lift in the chorus where they may 2142 01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:06.479 never stand a chance, you know we still got to try. 2143 01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:10.800 I love that it's great, and I would say this 2144 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:13.359 album is very cozy and familiar to the point that 2145 01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:16.520 you know you are getting those Greg song Tom song, 2146 01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:19.760 Greg song Tom song flips in the track list in 2147 01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:25.439 just such a like expected order, like Better Angels coming 2148 01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:29.079 right after Chance Encounters. Tom adds that kind of blunter 2149 01:40:29.239 --> 01:40:32.319 approach without that tremble that Greg has and a punk 2150 01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:34.479 skip as his song to do, and you get that 2151 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:36.920 right as you are expecting it when Chance Encounters ends, 2152 01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:39.600 and then you know romanticism flicking back to Greg, which 2153 01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:42.359 is really trademark Menzingers with this kind of beautiful, vibrant 2154 01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:45.520 guitar lead before the vocal hits all the way down 2155 01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:49.119 to listing specific locations that he and this girl have 2156 01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:51.960 been at. It's a very like, you know, heart tied, 2157 01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:54.680 very besotted, you know, kind of song and paints that 2158 01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:57.760 into the canvas outwards. It's it's very very nice. 2159 01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:00.359 I mean the thing that I think this is the 2160 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:04.239 closest been to a literally like a fifty to fifty yeah. 2161 01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:05.239 Greg Tom Greg Tom. 2162 01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:07.560 Like I think obviously last album it lent a lot 2163 01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:09.199 more on the Greg side of things, and I think 2164 01:41:09.560 --> 01:41:11.640 in recent times Greg is obviously like the sound up 2165 01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:14.520 Menzing songs that everyone members are generally the Greg songs 2166 01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:17.479 because I think like he is the more immediately like 2167 01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:21.319 heart on sleeve. You're gonna get those mensingrisms that the 2168 01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:24.039 we were sixteen months we will never be again, lyric 2169 01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:25.840 and chancing counters the way he just sort of belts 2170 01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:29.399 that like it's irresistible. But I think the Tom song 2171 01:41:29.439 --> 01:41:31.319 of this, all of them just kind of like it 2172 01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:32.960 just means you get a nice percent point. You just 2173 01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:36.640 get the strong dynamic of like these two dident vocalists 2174 01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:39.399 who can bring different flavors. I think like Better Rangels 2175 01:41:39.439 --> 01:41:41.279 has that kind of like folk punk jaunt to it. 2176 01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:43.600 It's catchy and fun. It's got a nice sort of 2177 01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:47.159 sing along romantism, like you know your way around my dreams, 2178 01:41:47.279 --> 01:41:49.760 I know my way around yours. It seems it's like 2179 01:41:50.359 --> 01:41:54.680 just Greg doing it. The fact he sings for too long. 2180 01:41:54.720 --> 01:41:56.560 We were dancers in the dark. That was my Leo 2181 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:58.279 pointing me moment. 2182 01:41:58.399 --> 01:42:01.520 I was like Springsteen song. 2183 01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:04.720 He said it, like like, oh it is not everyways. 2184 01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:06.840 Don't mean ship to us now, like come to your 2185 01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:09.760 heart out with me. It's just these are just mensing 2186 01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:11.880 and sort of things that I want to hear. I 2187 01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:15.319 love hearing and I'm just so happy to hear. 2188 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:18.199 Other people's money. You get that kind of ease. 2189 01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:21.800 Off on there, and it's like this like Dusty Springsteen 2190 01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:23.119 kind of piano kicking in. 2191 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:25.680 Very fun little vocal hook on that one. That's one 2192 01:42:25.720 --> 01:42:28.439 of those ones that you know when you're singing those 2193 01:42:28.479 --> 01:42:30.680 fun little fucking tom vocal hooks. 2194 01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:33.359 Like yeah, it's got all that all over it, Like 2195 01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:36.079 I love that ship gasolinea matches. 2196 01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:38.600 When you were saying you were about to talk about 2197 01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:40.159 the intro of a song that sounds weird, I thought 2198 01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:41.279 you were going to say that one because for the 2199 01:42:41.319 --> 01:42:44.159 first ten seconds it sounds like I don't know a 2200 01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:47.800 ghost tracks by nine, Its Nails or something before suddenly 2201 01:42:48.159 --> 01:42:51.760 the Heartland Chords and the Spring The Spring. Yeah, after 2202 01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:54.000 this weird little synth indra, I was like, I was 2203 01:42:54.039 --> 01:42:55.640 gonna joe it. I was like, Oh, they're doing a simPRO. 2204 01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:57.399 I was like, oh no, No, they're just going the motion, 2205 01:42:57.920 --> 01:42:58.800 just a Springsteen song. 2206 01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:01.079 Yeah, sure, and Greg setting into that sort of story 2207 01:43:01.159 --> 01:43:03.960 tell a thing on gasoline and matches. It's so such 2208 01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:06.279 a natural sort of thing where I'm just happy to 2209 01:43:06.399 --> 01:43:08.920 sit there and he even gets that sort of Springsteen 2210 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:11.159 vocal quiver going on that. I was like, Ah, you 2211 01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:14.840 are going your most Springsteen on this track, and keep 2212 01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:15.560 doing it please. 2213 01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:17.920 Yeah. I do get a bit of a sense on 2214 01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:21.399 this one that I again, as every song comes out, 2215 01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:22.520 I listen to earlier today and I was like, you know, 2216 01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:25.359 these are you know, I'm enjoying all of these, but 2217 01:43:25.720 --> 01:43:27.520 I can't get away from the idea that the best 2218 01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:29.600 versions of all of these songs have been written by 2219 01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:34.119 these guys before, because better Angels and other people's money 2220 01:43:34.199 --> 01:43:36.760 and those songs were talking about. They have that coziness 2221 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:39.319 when they hit that formulaically swapping between the Greg songs 2222 01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:41.439 and the Tom songs. But they're not hall of fame 2223 01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:43.960 Tom songs, Like they're not fucking thick as fees, you know, 2224 01:43:44.039 --> 01:43:47.560 they're just they're just not. Nor do I think Gasoline 2225 01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:51.000 and Matches or Romanticism are hall of fame Greg songs 2226 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:52.560 because I think a lot of them they don't really 2227 01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:56.560 rise above themselves. Like they're very well tempered, very mild mannered, 2228 01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:58.000 even as they might swear in some of them, you 2229 01:43:58.039 --> 01:44:01.600 know songs, but them this album moves with it's lacking 2230 01:44:02.279 --> 01:44:05.920 that kind of that last ride desperation, you know, that 2231 01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:08.720 characterized something like after the party, that urgency about it, 2232 01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:11.119 and I do think maybe that had its last hurrahically 2233 01:44:11.199 --> 01:44:14.119 so far on a song like America You're freaking me 2234 01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:18.000 out from Hello Exile, that sort of like fizziness take 2235 01:44:18.039 --> 01:44:19.560 my hand, because this is the most important shit in 2236 01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:21.960 the world type feeling that those songs have. This is 2237 01:44:22.039 --> 01:44:25.279 much more leisurely than that. It's much more unconcerned with 2238 01:44:25.439 --> 01:44:28.359 doing anything above the tempo of life that it wants 2239 01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:31.199 to take it at. And every song hits with that 2240 01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:34.000 recognition of familiarity. This is the men's thing. Is it's 2241 01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:35.479 a thing that we like, you know, and they are 2242 01:44:35.520 --> 01:44:37.079 all good, But I don't think they're a great deal. 2243 01:44:37.560 --> 01:44:41.359 More than that, it is a really unhurried again sort 2244 01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:44.039 of leisurely album. I would say a majority of the 2245 01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:47.359 guitar riffs aren't especially memorable. I do like the one. 2246 01:44:47.439 --> 01:44:48.920 I do like the one and Breathe with Me that 2247 01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:50.720 go throughout the song as a sick, little kind of 2248 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:52.760 rock and roll silo in there as well. I do 2249 01:44:52.960 --> 01:44:54.560 really like In terms of the album tracks, I do 2250 01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:59.199 really like the Fool. I think that is Tom's best melody. Yeah, yeah, 2251 01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:03.239 of course self Deceiver, and it's got a weird sort 2252 01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:05.560 of like novelty trumpet answer to the chorus, which is 2253 01:45:05.600 --> 01:45:08.000 a fun part as well, and some like cool countermiloity 2254 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:10.279 arrangements in the final chorus. Well that is again I 2255 01:45:10.359 --> 01:45:12.159 am taking my song from this rank. I'm like, yeah, cool, 2256 01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:13.840 that's that's a really good one. I'm having the full 2257 01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:18.279 I'm having chance encounters, a couple of strange like party 2258 01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:20.439 instrumental touches that they've added into the mixt with that, 2259 01:45:20.600 --> 01:45:22.520 and there's a kind of organ that's at the start 2260 01:45:22.600 --> 01:45:26.560 of Nobody's Heroes as well. I think when you get 2261 01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:29.680 to the kind of last stretch of the album, it's 2262 01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:33.479 nice at that point to hear Greg finally, like nine 2263 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:37.000 or ten songs in he decides to put a little 2264 01:45:37.039 --> 01:45:39.479 bit more of a gusto into his voice and it 2265 01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:42.479 lifts above that sort of standard comfort zone for a 2266 01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:45.319 little while. You get that with when She Enters My Dreams, 2267 01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:48.119 when again he starts adding that little bit of kind 2268 01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:50.600 of urgency into it a little bit. Even of that 2269 01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:54.359 song is just like again pure heartland lushness. That song 2270 01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:56.239 reminds me a little bit of the kind of thing 2271 01:45:56.279 --> 01:45:58.960 the band we're about to review were really good at 2272 01:45:59.000 --> 01:46:01.439 previously a couple of our to go definitely one of 2273 01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:03.680 the best songs songs on the record. And then the 2274 01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:07.319 ending title track really like maintains that as well with 2275 01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:10.880 a really worthy kind of final you know, grace note 2276 01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:11.520 for the record. 2277 01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:13.520 So the ending the title track at then is the 2278 01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:15.600 is the exception. I said that that is Almo like 2279 01:46:16.359 --> 01:46:19.319 this is up there for me with like those I 2280 01:46:19.359 --> 01:46:22.479 think that that song like it has that kind of build, 2281 01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:27.840 that passion. That chorus is just like unbelievable kind of 2282 01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:31.880 just like Greg going at it. It is so good, 2283 01:46:31.960 --> 01:46:33.359 like you guys said, said the good and bad, the 2284 01:46:33.399 --> 01:46:36.520 half with the sad like it is again that because 2285 01:46:36.520 --> 01:46:38.079 that this ALP has a kind of feeling of like 2286 01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:40.560 kind of like they you know they are, they're getting 2287 01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:42.760 on there, that they're the Heartland punk unks at the moment, 2288 01:46:42.840 --> 01:46:44.520 and they they've kind of seen a lot of shit. Now, 2289 01:46:44.640 --> 01:46:49.199 like there's the paradeday before it is no Tom kind 2290 01:46:49.199 --> 01:46:52.279 of lamenting the loss for friends and kind of like 2291 01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:54.119 here's I see you again at the end of time. 2292 01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:56.000 Like so there is a feeling of the solum like 2293 01:46:56.439 --> 01:46:58.600 we have you know, we've been through stuff, We've seen stuff, 2294 01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:01.640 and that kind of like that feeling is all there 2295 01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:03.520 on the kind of like everything ever saw the I 2296 01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:04.840 don't want to real Lilyve, I just want to remember 2297 01:47:04.880 --> 01:47:07.720 everything I ever saw, kind of like going on these 2298 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:10.279 journeys and having these memories. I think that that closing 2299 01:47:10.359 --> 01:47:12.319 track is the kind of thing where that's maybe why 2300 01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:14.520 I'm so fond of this album, because the last thing 2301 01:47:14.560 --> 01:47:16.319 I hear on it is my favorite thing on the album, 2302 01:47:16.359 --> 01:47:18.000 and it ends on just such a kind of like 2303 01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:21.359 romantic note for what I love about the Mensingers, and 2304 01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:24.199 I'm just kind of like my heart is so so full. 2305 01:47:24.319 --> 01:47:25.960 By the end of that title track, I was like 2306 01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:27.199 I can't say it. 2307 01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:29.720 I can recognize again, I can recognize where you're, where 2308 01:47:29.720 --> 01:47:32.720 you're coming from. Where, Like this is a consistent Mensing record, 2309 01:47:32.720 --> 01:47:34.840 but it maybe doesn't have those those peaks as much. 2310 01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:37.560 But it ends on such a high note for me 2311 01:47:37.640 --> 01:47:41.119 that I'm just so I'm so enamored. I'm just so happy. 2312 01:47:41.399 --> 01:47:43.119 I'll put the album on again and just be like, 2313 01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:45.159 this is all I want to listen to right now. 2314 01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:47.119 Sam's come out in July. We're in a heat wave. 2315 01:47:47.159 --> 01:47:48.600 And then when I put it on, I don't mind. 2316 01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:51.359 I'm just like the sun is shining. I'm listening to 2317 01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:54.199 new Mensingers and I'm getting, you know, these moments that 2318 01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:55.520 just sort of fill me with joy. 2319 01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:58.640 I'm just sewing on this sort of thing. 2320 01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:00.840 And again, because it ends on such a high note, 2321 01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:03.520 that's the lingering memory of the record for me that 2322 01:48:03.600 --> 01:48:04.359 I'm just I'm happy. 2323 01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:06.920 Yeah, it's a really good song. Again, that sort of 2324 01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:10.119 desperation that I'm talking about that comes through in select 2325 01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:13.479 moments now for the Mensing. Yes, that like I just 2326 01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:16.000 want to hold onto everything I've ever experienced, you know, 2327 01:48:16.039 --> 01:48:18.960 I don't want to relive, I want to remember is 2328 01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:21.520 in that and it adds it's more driving than the 2329 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:24.119 majority of the album. I think part of what's happening 2330 01:48:24.239 --> 01:48:26.079 is you've reready said it is they've aged out of 2331 01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:30.760 being ragged Springsteen punks and in the process just more 2332 01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:33.600 into straight up Springsteen and I can take or leave that, 2333 01:48:33.800 --> 01:48:36.199 whereas you're having that pride out of your cold dead hands. 2334 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:39.359 But I think that that dichotomy between us does maybe 2335 01:48:39.439 --> 01:48:42.560 convey again to people listening to us what kind of 2336 01:48:42.640 --> 01:48:45.079 mensing As they're getting and what they might be interested 2337 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:46.239 in it. And I do think I think it's a 2338 01:48:46.279 --> 01:48:49.319 good album. It's a good album. It's got a few 2339 01:48:49.399 --> 01:48:51.720 great songs on it. It's way ahead of their peers, 2340 01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:55.359 and so if you love this music, even when it's 2341 01:48:55.560 --> 01:48:58.359 slow and old, you will probably love of this as well. 2342 01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:01.560 So everything I ever saw by the Mensingers, but onto 2343 01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:05.640 alluding to something a little bit there the excerpts and 2344 01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:07.479 their album I Think I Want to Go Home Now. 2345 01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:10.279 This is another of the bands like the Menzingers, who 2346 01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:13.520 we as a podcast would generally describe us as one 2347 01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:16.760 of our longtime, all time favorites when it comes to 2348 01:49:17.079 --> 01:49:20.800 like rush of blood to the head, emotionally urgent, heart 2349 01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:24.279 on sleeve, melodic rock songwriting, one of the straight up 2350 01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:26.840 best bands in the world at that throughout the twenty tens, 2351 01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:30.800 their first couple of albums, particularly then going into twenty 2352 01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:34.880 fourteen's There Is Only You, which is a fantastic, earnest 2353 01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:38.359 alternative rock sort of power pop album, and then my favorite, 2354 01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:40.880 twenty eighteen's Hold Onto Your Heart, where they took that 2355 01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:45.399 and further embellished it with these real timeless classic rock touches, 2356 01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:50.640 two absolute powerhouse albums there for a long time, criminally 2357 01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:53.680 overlooked as a band. Every time I'm out and about 2358 01:49:53.880 --> 01:49:55.640 and I hear like a Sam Fender song in a 2359 01:49:55.720 --> 01:49:58.680 shop or something, All the Killers, right, I'm like, why 2360 01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:00.640 the fuck couldn't this have happened? For the excerpts on 2361 01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:03.520 Daydream or Shaky in the Water or something like that, 2362 01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:05.439 Like no, you know, no shade against those artists, but 2363 01:50:05.960 --> 01:50:08.159 these are songs of that same caliber. Right, we have 2364 01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:13.479 this unbelievable world class classic rock songwriting band just kicking 2365 01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:16.560 about in our scenes, comparative underground for like fifteen odd years, 2366 01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:19.720 right who for whatever reason, they've built up, you know, 2367 01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:22.159 a passionate cult fan base, but they never seem to 2368 01:50:22.279 --> 01:50:25.880 be afforded any of the opportunities to break it much 2369 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.279 bigger than that, despite the fact that they are packing 2370 01:50:28.359 --> 01:50:31.960 songs that literally everybody in the world should like. Like 2371 01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:35.319 the excerpts I think are one of the biggest disproportions 2372 01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:39.920 in how big their audience is versus how universal their 2373 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:43.640 songs actually could be. Right when you look at first Kiss, 2374 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:46.359 Feeling and Drive Me Wild and you go these should 2375 01:50:46.399 --> 01:50:49.119 be fucking standards, like what is the world doing here? 2376 01:50:49.159 --> 01:50:50.960 Where these are just songs from some tiny rock band 2377 01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:55.239 from Scotland. The excerts in full Flight we have been big, 2378 01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:58.600 big champions off But their last album, Learning How to 2379 01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:01.279 Live and Let Go in twenty twenty three, there's not 2380 01:51:01.399 --> 01:51:02.920 too much more to be said about it being about 2381 01:51:02.920 --> 01:51:05.319 the rush. It was a catastrophe, wasn't it. Yeah, like 2382 01:51:05.439 --> 01:51:06.079 we we like. 2383 01:51:06.159 --> 01:51:07.439 I don't want to give album much more of a 2384 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:09.319 kicking we we we went and it. I was like 2385 01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:12.199 even slightly generous to it. But it just it like 2386 01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:15.199 in terms of like drop off from albums that I 2387 01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:17.640 will consider maybe my favorite album of the year, it 2388 01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:20.760 came out to an album that I just don't ever 2389 01:51:20.920 --> 01:51:24.039 go back to at all, Like this is like you 2390 01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:25.960 don't get bigger drop offs in that really like. 2391 01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:28.439 Yeah, we had to wait five years for it from 2392 01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:31.279 the previous record, and everything that was enjoyable about the 2393 01:51:31.359 --> 01:51:34.479 band had just been excised. And I don't even think 2394 01:51:34.520 --> 01:51:37.279 it's just the production, which is certainly one major point, 2395 01:51:37.279 --> 01:51:40.560 but the songwriting was way off that. Yeah, yeah, there's 2396 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:42.520 a song on there called Eke with Sam Carter, and 2397 01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:44.760 it's one of the more energetic songs on the album. 2398 01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:47.520 And then before it's actually allowed to like arrive and 2399 01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:50.000 deliver the big hook or whatever, it's just done because 2400 01:51:50.039 --> 01:51:54.520 these like bite size micro songs aren't their strength at all. 2401 01:51:54.800 --> 01:51:56.960 And then you've got the problem that half the track 2402 01:51:57.039 --> 01:52:00.840 list on it isn't actually those ZIP songs or those 2403 01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:03.840 big gearish experiments like Gimme for example, that became the 2404 01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:06.279 kind of you know, the stick to beat that album with. 2405 01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:08.960 But half isn't that. It's these wet ballads that aren't 2406 01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:12.279 complemented at all by the sonic approach of that album 2407 01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:16.039 and how it sounds. Everything about it was just creatively misjudged, 2408 01:52:16.079 --> 01:52:17.439 and like I said, I don't want to labor it 2409 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:19.840 or add too many criticisms onto it beyond what we 2410 01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:22.079 said at the time, because you know it's one bad album. 2411 01:52:22.399 --> 01:52:25.560 The Excerpts are a band who we historically love and even, 2412 01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:27.319 as I say, kind of feel a sense of injustice 2413 01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:29.239 for right so to trash all of that because one 2414 01:52:29.239 --> 01:52:31.600 album didn't work for us, it's not necessary. There's even 2415 01:52:31.640 --> 01:52:34.720 a song on this album, pretty Ugly, which very directly 2416 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:38.800 responds to that album's criticisms, which I think we often 2417 01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:42.560 say when you start writing songs about people commenting about 2418 01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:44.880 your music on the Internet, you should probably take a 2419 01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:48.039 step back a bit, because you're just creating a miserable 2420 01:52:48.079 --> 01:52:50.159 feedback loop at that point that no one's happy with. 2421 01:52:50.439 --> 01:52:52.840 But I can at least understand it a bit with 2422 01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:56.439 the Excerpts, because they're not this massive band who have 2423 01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:58.800 a comfort blanket like in a data remember for instance, 2424 01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:00.479 who have done that and it is the first time 2425 01:53:00.520 --> 01:53:02.680 in their career really where they've had to face that. 2426 01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:05.439 So I imagine as a small artist is quite alienating 2427 01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:07.920 to suddenly have so much backlash when they had only 2428 01:53:07.960 --> 01:53:10.199 really up to that point been love from your fan base, 2429 01:53:10.399 --> 01:53:11.920 and then be like, what the fuck am I doing 2430 01:53:11.920 --> 01:53:13.399 in my life? You know? Can I move on from this? 2431 01:53:13.520 --> 01:53:15.800 I don't like that song on this record, but I'm 2432 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:18.960 at least trying to relate to the headspace that Murray 2433 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:21.800 has wrote that song from. Anyway, I think I want 2434 01:53:21.800 --> 01:53:23.680 to go home now. We are all hoping for us 2435 01:53:23.720 --> 01:53:27.399 to be the return to form, essentially, Sam, to what extent, 2436 01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:29.119 in your opinion, have they done. 2437 01:53:29.159 --> 01:53:31.800 It depends on what you call a return to form, 2438 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:33.079 what is formed for the excerpts. 2439 01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:36.640 I think this is a film for the excerpts. Really 2440 01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:40.000 is there is there is any you? And how much 2441 01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:40.600 are we get into that? 2442 01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:42.960 Yeah, And if we're comparing it to that, we're not 2443 01:53:43.039 --> 01:53:45.239 getting there, like simple as that, we're not getting to 2444 01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:47.439 the heights of those records. I do think this is 2445 01:53:47.479 --> 01:53:50.600 a big improvement on the last record. And I think 2446 01:53:50.640 --> 01:53:53.039 this is you know, pretty comparative like three and quality 2447 01:53:53.199 --> 01:53:55.199 like not far off the the like the the very 2448 01:53:55.239 --> 01:53:57.560 early Excerpts records. I think what this album is is 2449 01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:00.760 it is more recognizably the exit. It's going back to 2450 01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:04.000 just doing the kind of like twenty tens power pop 2451 01:54:04.079 --> 01:54:06.319 Brit rock stuff that they kind of made their name on. 2452 01:54:06.399 --> 01:54:08.359 And I think for the most part, I think like 2453 01:54:09.279 --> 01:54:11.279 there are still some quibbles with the production I have. 2454 01:54:11.399 --> 01:54:13.079 I don't think it's it's the best production job they've 2455 01:54:13.079 --> 01:54:15.520 gone through. I don't think it's as garish as the 2456 01:54:16.119 --> 01:54:18.800 last album, and I think that, you know, there is 2457 01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:22.560 a steady stream of pop hooks across this area record 2458 01:54:22.640 --> 01:54:26.119 and kind of just stirring a motive, all rock songs 2459 01:54:26.159 --> 01:54:28.239 that I kind of get and go, Yeah, I like this, 2460 01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:29.800 this is this is the excesting way I want to do. 2461 01:54:30.560 --> 01:54:33.199 But again, I don't want to call this like a 2462 01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:38.760 return to form record because the the bath what I 2463 01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:41.520 know the excerpts are capable of, this doesn't cur And 2464 01:54:41.520 --> 01:54:43.640 maybe again that's really harsh to do this album, because 2465 01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:46.560 I do for the most part, I like this album. 2466 01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:49.720 I think it's it's good, but it's not. There is 2467 01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:52.520 only your hon chart. It's not delivered. Like again, there 2468 01:54:52.600 --> 01:54:54.880 is nothing on this album that even comes close to 2469 01:54:55.039 --> 01:54:59.279 like album tracks on those records. And again, those albums 2470 01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:01.960 are the best of their kind of era and that scene. 2471 01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:06.039 So it's mixed feelings. I come into this album with 2472 01:55:06.119 --> 01:55:06.520 what I do. 2473 01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:09.880 I am way more positive on this album than I 2474 01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:12.880 was the last album, but I'm not gushing about it 2475 01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:16.239 like I wanted a kind of like a oh my god. 2476 01:55:16.279 --> 01:55:18.159 The excerpts are back. They've never been more back. 2477 01:55:18.199 --> 01:55:21.279 This is it. We can all be celebrating again. Yeah, 2478 01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:23.960 I think the majority of excerpts, fans who you know 2479 01:55:24.039 --> 01:55:28.239 didn't like the last album are feeling like you on 2480 01:55:28.359 --> 01:55:32.199 this album in at least being you know, pleasantly, you know, 2481 01:55:33.039 --> 01:55:36.960 reassured that their band sounds like their band again. Right. 2482 01:55:37.039 --> 01:55:38.840 So I think that if that is to be the 2483 01:55:38.920 --> 01:55:42.520 overall sort of lasting legacy of this album, how it 2484 01:55:42.600 --> 01:55:45.560 lands to people, I'm okay with that. I suppose I'm 2485 01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:48.159 personally feeling quite down on it in a way that 2486 01:55:48.279 --> 01:55:50.560 I really don't want to be like. It makes me 2487 01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:53.479 unhappy where I'm sitting on this, because essentially where I'm 2488 01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:55.399 sitting is I don't like anything on it, and I 2489 01:55:55.399 --> 01:55:57.359 don't want to listen to it again, which I find 2490 01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:00.479 really disappointing, both on a musical but also a kind 2491 01:56:00.479 --> 01:56:02.760 of personal level, because if this was one of those 2492 01:56:02.760 --> 01:56:05.000 albums where we could go, all right, let's just put 2493 01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:07.520 that last album down to a failed experiment, doesn't matter, 2494 01:56:07.520 --> 01:56:09.640 We're all friends again. That would be the easiest thing 2495 01:56:09.760 --> 01:56:12.479 as a reviewer to do. It would make the audience 2496 01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:14.239 the happiest, it'd make the band the happiest. It would 2497 01:56:14.239 --> 01:56:16.560 make me the happiest because the excert seem like nice people. 2498 01:56:16.600 --> 01:56:18.079 I want them to do well. I don't want to 2499 01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:20.800 be digitally knocking them down or whatever it was that 2500 01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:24.359 Whilst you Sleep said, But this album makes me feel nothing. 2501 01:56:24.720 --> 01:56:26.840 It is better than the previous album. I will not 2502 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:29.479 disagree with that, but I do have to put it 2503 01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:32.279 with that album in the excerpts albums I don't like 2504 01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:34.800 compared to the two for that, which are the experts 2505 01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:37.600 albums that I do like. Right, I don't think this 2506 01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:39.319 is a or at least they're back on it type record, 2507 01:56:39.319 --> 01:56:41.960 because that would imply that it has qualities that I 2508 01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:43.720 love about the old ones, and for the most part 2509 01:56:43.960 --> 01:56:46.439 it doesn't. To me. They sound a bit lost on 2510 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:49.600 this album, and I find that discouraging because the last 2511 01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:52.720 album what's wrong with it is so garishly obvious. You 2512 01:56:52.840 --> 01:56:55.319 can very easily go, well, you tried a big swing there, 2513 01:56:55.359 --> 01:56:57.840 it didn't work. Oh well, dust yourself off and move 2514 01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:00.760 on this. At least when we're I'm saying, it sounds 2515 01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:03.199 more like they've forgotten how to be that band that 2516 01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:05.760 we loved, which might be worse because it's more like 2517 01:57:06.319 --> 01:57:08.640 there is a void that isn't being filled. Rather than 2518 01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:11.800 it being filled with something blatant. You know, I want 2519 01:57:11.800 --> 01:57:13.960 to start positive first. For you, Sam, what are the 2520 01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:16.439 parts of this album where you can feel the excerpts, 2521 01:57:16.520 --> 01:57:18.760 you know, clicking into gear again. I think, you know, 2522 01:57:19.439 --> 01:57:20.560 do it to myself as an opener. 2523 01:57:20.760 --> 01:57:24.079 It's it's got that kind of fizzy, upbeat power pop 2524 01:57:24.359 --> 01:57:27.359 excerpts thing that that they that they do nail on 2525 01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:28.840 a lot of the tracks on something like there is 2526 01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:30.640 Only You that the sat propulments and that. I think 2527 01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:34.239 it just it feels a bit more natural. It has 2528 01:57:34.319 --> 01:57:36.079 a pep to it, which I think again the last 2529 01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:40.880 album didn't have. I think like there is some nice 2530 01:57:40.920 --> 01:57:43.399 sort of just touches again. I don't think it's my 2531 01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:45.159 from with the sound is I'm gonna just be saying 2532 01:57:45.159 --> 01:57:48.039 things like it's nice, it's good. There's nothing to like 2533 01:57:48.560 --> 01:57:51.920 really get excited about, rather than like, I I'm having 2534 01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:54.119 a pleasant I'm listening to this. I think, like I 2535 01:57:54.640 --> 01:57:56.479 like that song. I think Sinking Feeling has you know, 2536 01:57:57.039 --> 01:57:59.880 a bit more strike to it. I I think I 2537 01:58:00.039 --> 01:58:02.279 could have to just isolate hold onto Your Heart as 2538 01:58:02.399 --> 01:58:04.359 a one off kind of like they're doing this thing 2539 01:58:04.399 --> 01:58:06.000 on this album and I don't know if we're ever 2540 01:58:06.039 --> 01:58:08.439 gonna get that again, because they threw everything at it 2541 01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:11.319 and it didn't pay off, so they don't and this 2542 01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:13.439 is this This does just feel like them returning back 2543 01:58:13.479 --> 01:58:17.159 to a comfort zone of twenty tens or of power 2544 01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:19.680 pop or rock, and for the most part, I think 2545 01:58:20.359 --> 01:58:23.000 it is doing that pretty nicely. I think if you 2546 01:58:23.159 --> 01:58:26.079 go to the closer, which again we sort of mentioned 2547 01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:29.560 about the ballads on the last album, I think in 2548 01:58:29.680 --> 01:58:34.119 Your Eyes is like that stirring heartfelt actually sort of 2549 01:58:34.239 --> 01:58:37.960 sincere exits ballad. Again, it's not as good as the 2550 01:58:38.039 --> 01:58:39.880 title track on There Is Only You, which is which 2551 01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:42.800 it feels most closely comparable to whether again they're they 2552 01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:44.279 going for that, but at least I can kind of 2553 01:58:44.319 --> 01:58:46.960 get a real emotion from it, which again I couldn't 2554 01:58:46.960 --> 01:58:49.600 really get from the last album. I think just for 2555 01:58:49.720 --> 01:58:52.560 most places that like I'm just I'm having a nice 2556 01:58:52.600 --> 01:58:54.920 time when this is on, like and again this is 2557 01:58:55.000 --> 01:58:57.079 like the damning with faint praise or problem I have 2558 01:58:57.239 --> 01:59:01.800 with this album is that I think it is consistently good, 2559 01:59:01.920 --> 01:59:03.840 but like if anyone was a Gogin to sort of 2560 01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:06.720 come to something I can't reach, sort of like Mount 2561 01:59:06.800 --> 01:59:10.359 the Strongest defense because I think it rarely, it rarely 2562 01:59:10.439 --> 01:59:13.720 excels where in a way that I think exces albums should. Yeah, 2563 01:59:14.279 --> 01:59:16.239 that's what that's it. I'm having with this sad where 2564 01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:18.159 I don't dislike it like I like like the Last Aime. 2565 01:59:18.319 --> 01:59:21.279 I don't think there is like bad decisions, a bad songwriting. 2566 01:59:21.439 --> 01:59:23.840 I just think it feels like a retreat to kind 2567 01:59:23.880 --> 01:59:25.159 of like a safety sort of thing that the of 2568 01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:27.159 a sound they've done in the past. But at the 2569 01:59:27.199 --> 01:59:30.239 same time, it's not as good as that thing in 2570 01:59:30.279 --> 01:59:32.039 the past, So I guess I can see I mean 2571 01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:33.720 where it feels a bit lost as an album. 2572 01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:38.199 Yeah, and I actually have it's not so much for 2573 01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:41.159 me again, like you're saying that it's it's fine, but 2574 01:59:41.239 --> 01:59:43.359 there's nothing much to say about it. I actually have 2575 01:59:43.479 --> 01:59:46.399 do genuine abject criticisms of this record, about things about 2576 01:59:46.399 --> 01:59:47.439 it that annoy me, and I'll get on to those 2577 01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:50.720 in the moment. But they are definitely going for types 2578 01:59:50.760 --> 01:59:53.039 of songs that are more in the traditional spirit and 2579 01:59:53.079 --> 01:59:55.039 wheelhouse what the excerpts is right, Like you're saying the 2580 01:59:55.079 --> 01:59:57.600 slowest songs particularly, I think you know you've got Rinse Repeat, 2581 01:59:57.840 --> 02:00:01.199 which feels very trademark when it comes to the slower 2582 02:00:01.199 --> 02:00:03.560 stuff or dream you in when it goes ll gim 2583 02:00:03.640 --> 02:00:06.119 meet World Emo towards the back end of it are 2584 02:00:06.279 --> 02:00:08.880 really again, I think those are pleasant songs. I think 2585 02:00:08.880 --> 02:00:11.479 they're perfectly nice, and I don't doubt the sincerity of 2586 02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:13.399 any of these songs or what they emotionally mean to, 2587 02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:15.079 you know, those writing it. Like I was saying, even 2588 02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:17.760 a song like pretty Ugly, which falls into a type 2589 02:00:17.800 --> 02:00:21.159 of song that we usually find to be quite repugnant, 2590 02:00:21.279 --> 02:00:24.399 there is a clear vulnerability about that one, in an 2591 02:00:24.399 --> 02:00:27.720 almost Pinkerton ish way of like putting a sentiment out 2592 02:00:27.760 --> 02:00:30.319 there and showing people how you feel, even if they 2593 02:00:30.359 --> 02:00:32.399 were to perceive that feeling as quite off putting. Like 2594 02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:34.520 obviously the song is called pretty Ugly, right, and is 2595 02:00:34.560 --> 02:00:38.039 admitting essentially that it is shaken and unhappy, and it's 2596 02:00:38.039 --> 02:00:40.199 putting it out there. My major stumbling book with this, 2597 02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:42.560 and the thing that I think is keeping me totally 2598 02:00:42.560 --> 02:00:45.560 at arm's length from even the songs that I should 2599 02:00:45.600 --> 02:00:49.000 be okay with is it's much less obvious and garish 2600 02:00:49.039 --> 02:00:52.600 than last time, but I still think it's nonetheless suffering 2601 02:00:52.880 --> 02:00:57.840 under the weight of modernity in its constructure fair even 2602 02:00:57.880 --> 02:00:59.760 on like a shallow surface level. We were talking about 2603 02:00:59.760 --> 02:01:02.680 like yea, the all lowercase song title, we would all 2604 02:01:02.960 --> 02:01:05.319 you know, we describe that as like a hallmark of 2605 02:01:05.479 --> 02:01:07.399 like that came out and we were like, maybe this 2606 02:01:07.479 --> 02:01:08.960 isn't going to be so Ba's the Glory Days as 2607 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:11.159 we hoped, because it's such a trope of like zeitgeisty 2608 02:01:11.199 --> 02:01:14.520 twenty twenties rock music. But sonically this album is sort 2609 02:01:14.520 --> 02:01:17.520 of coarse and unpleasant in a way that I don't 2610 02:01:17.600 --> 02:01:20.359 find the excerpts to excel in. And maybe that's the point, right, 2611 02:01:20.399 --> 02:01:22.600 Maybe it's trying to be this sort of difficult, you know, 2612 02:01:23.520 --> 02:01:25.640 little brother record, you know, trying to bounce back and 2613 02:01:25.720 --> 02:01:27.600 find direction, and it's sonically meant to be a little 2614 02:01:27.680 --> 02:01:30.399 ugly and a little rough, but it's not an abrasiveness 2615 02:01:30.840 --> 02:01:33.640 that either suits them or sounds any good to begin with. 2616 02:01:33.800 --> 02:01:35.680 I think a lot of the power pop sensibility because 2617 02:01:35.680 --> 02:01:37.239 this record is sorry, sort of downcast a lot of 2618 02:01:37.239 --> 02:01:39.159 the time. A lot of the power pop sensibility that 2619 02:01:39.239 --> 02:01:42.359 was in their songs is gone, and there's there's no 2620 02:01:42.479 --> 02:01:44.479 fun in this at all, And again, it's not the 2621 02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:46.520 record for it. Maybe like maybe that's not where they 2622 02:01:46.560 --> 02:01:49.479 personally are right now. It does have this it feels 2623 02:01:49.520 --> 02:01:52.159 like a more emo in mindset approach of even having 2624 02:01:52.239 --> 02:01:54.520 like the things like the little voice notes, like the 2625 02:01:54.640 --> 02:01:57.399 intro track or losing it as well, where they have 2626 02:01:57.520 --> 02:02:00.479 that like you know, intimately recorded sort of snapshot of 2627 02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:02.159 a moment that finds its way onto a record that 2628 02:02:02.399 --> 02:02:05.199 I was associated with that Midwest emo, except it's on 2629 02:02:05.399 --> 02:02:08.880 a like quite unpleasantly produced twenty twenties UK rock band 2630 02:02:09.119 --> 02:02:10.880 and they sound at odds with the rest of it. 2631 02:02:11.000 --> 02:02:13.119 The first song, Do It to Myself is this like 2632 02:02:13.439 --> 02:02:16.520 up tempo, nervous energy kind of song that should be 2633 02:02:16.560 --> 02:02:19.159 the starting gun for the record. And then the vocal 2634 02:02:19.239 --> 02:02:21.960 processing or Murray comes in on the verses and I 2635 02:02:22.039 --> 02:02:23.880 don't know why they've done that to him, Like he 2636 02:02:24.079 --> 02:02:27.520 was perfectly capable of carrying these songs for years before this, 2637 02:02:27.840 --> 02:02:30.479 and he's one of those vocalists who works best when 2638 02:02:30.520 --> 02:02:32.319 there is no barrier between him and the listener, so 2639 02:02:32.399 --> 02:02:34.680 he can just reach right out of that mix and 2640 02:02:34.800 --> 02:02:37.000 you know, pluck into, you know, the heartstrings of the 2641 02:02:37.079 --> 02:02:39.279 listener and he comes out sounding like a fucking deep 2642 02:02:39.319 --> 02:02:42.600 fried jpeg version of himself. And it sounds gross, Like 2643 02:02:42.680 --> 02:02:44.560 the first time I'm hearing his voice on the record, 2644 02:02:44.600 --> 02:02:47.279 past that little intro track, my immediate reaction is just 2645 02:02:47.319 --> 02:02:50.079 to recoil and pull backwards because of how he sounds. 2646 02:02:50.159 --> 02:02:52.479 And once I'm over that again, it's not a bad song. 2647 02:02:52.560 --> 02:02:54.600 It is better than anything on the last one, and 2648 02:02:54.760 --> 02:02:57.319 it probably could be much better live, right, But why 2649 02:02:57.479 --> 02:03:00.600 is my first response to this being revulsion? Like why 2650 02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:02.560 does it have to be that? And it keeps going 2651 02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:05.880 all the way through. Wow sounds a bit like Feeder, 2652 02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:08.479 but with contemporary compression on it, and then particularly you 2653 02:03:08.560 --> 02:03:12.760 get sinking feeling afterwards. There's this sort of instrumental sound 2654 02:03:13.079 --> 02:03:17.840 that marks contemporary attempts at recalling nineties old rock radio hits. 2655 02:03:18.039 --> 02:03:21.119 It's like nineties rock as remembered by TikTok, you know 2656 02:03:21.159 --> 02:03:24.479 what I mean? That really regimented way the beat hits 2657 02:03:24.760 --> 02:03:27.000 and the guitars click on and off, the vocals going 2658 02:03:27.079 --> 02:03:29.600 tinny for the ah, can'd shake the sinking feeling. It 2659 02:03:29.680 --> 02:03:31.840 reminds me of a bit of machine Gun Kelly, which 2660 02:03:31.880 --> 02:03:35.039 is not the comparison I want to be making. And 2661 02:03:35.560 --> 02:03:37.039 as this sort of sound that I immediately in my 2662 02:03:37.079 --> 02:03:39.359 head associate with disposable, and it's not a song that 2663 02:03:39.359 --> 02:03:41.159 I'm gonna still want to be spinning in a year's time. 2664 02:03:41.399 --> 02:03:43.359 The guitar riff at the start of Bury You has 2665 02:03:43.439 --> 02:03:46.920 that same kind of tinny fiercely beaten squarely into its 2666 02:03:46.960 --> 02:03:49.520 box type presence in the mix, or like I said, 2667 02:03:49.560 --> 02:03:52.560 how sort of contrived to sound raw and underproduced like 2668 02:03:52.680 --> 02:03:54.840 losing it is when it sounds the opposite, And it 2669 02:03:54.920 --> 02:03:56.800 baffles me because when I read about what they've been 2670 02:03:56.840 --> 02:03:59.520 saying about this album and how it was then getting 2671 02:03:59.560 --> 02:04:02.239 back into with making a rock record and letting things 2672 02:04:02.319 --> 02:04:04.239 ring out and capturing the sound of them in the room, 2673 02:04:05.199 --> 02:04:06.680 and that's not what the record sounds like at all. 2674 02:04:06.960 --> 02:04:08.439 That's what I want you to do, Like that's what 2675 02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:10.439 you're desperately crying out for. You need to go and 2676 02:04:10.520 --> 02:04:13.920 find a proper analogue rock producer to go and do 2677 02:04:14.039 --> 02:04:17.319 this with. But this sounds that they are still working 2678 02:04:17.560 --> 02:04:20.600 for the twenty twenty standards of you know, rock radio 2679 02:04:20.640 --> 02:04:23.399 play still when as a band who clearly have never 2680 02:04:23.479 --> 02:04:25.560 had any real flirtations with the mainstream pain them any 2681 02:04:25.600 --> 02:04:27.239 real interest, I think they should be running as far 2682 02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:29.840 away from that to provide the alternative. 2683 02:04:30.600 --> 02:04:33.039 I think that's fair. Again, I definitely agree. I don't 2684 02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:35.640 like the production's record. I think I can get through 2685 02:04:35.720 --> 02:04:37.720 to the songs more on this one than when I could. 2686 02:04:38.560 --> 02:04:40.079 Why I couldn't really do on the last one, because 2687 02:04:40.079 --> 02:04:43.520 I think there is there is strength of songwriting that 2688 02:04:43.680 --> 02:04:46.079 is present here that wasn't therefore, But I do agree, 2689 02:04:46.239 --> 02:04:48.000 like the vocal processing is one of those things that 2690 02:04:48.079 --> 02:04:50.760 I've just I've just had to kind of like get 2691 02:04:50.880 --> 02:04:51.800 used to, and I'm kind of just. 2692 02:04:51.800 --> 02:04:53.960 Sort of like, Okay, I can kind of handle that now. Yeah, 2693 02:04:54.079 --> 02:04:55.600 I do think it doesn't have to be that way, 2694 02:04:55.720 --> 02:04:58.000 Like why should I have to do that? You could 2695 02:04:58.039 --> 02:05:00.199 just not do that and make a good record that 2696 02:05:00.319 --> 02:05:02.880 sounds good, please because. 2697 02:05:02.640 --> 02:05:05.159 The things I don't And then in a song and capacity, 2698 02:05:05.159 --> 02:05:06.439 I think they are trying to get back to that, 2699 02:05:06.680 --> 02:05:09.239 like say that kind of like rock songwriting things they're doing, 2700 02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:11.119 and I think they are showing it, and i'd say 2701 02:05:11.319 --> 02:05:15.279 in my capacity, it's then just kind of been smothered 2702 02:05:15.279 --> 02:05:17.319 a bit where yeah, I actually I have to put 2703 02:05:17.359 --> 02:05:18.760 in a bit more work to get to these songs. 2704 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:20.880 It's why I'm kind of like taking songs. 2705 02:05:20.960 --> 02:05:23.079 I think if produced different, I could probably be all 2706 02:05:23.159 --> 02:05:25.119 in on and I have to kind of go like, 2707 02:05:25.439 --> 02:05:28.119 I think they're fine because they're they're good songs that 2708 02:05:28.159 --> 02:05:29.119 have been compromised. 2709 02:05:29.560 --> 02:05:31.560 I mean, we've we think we don't have drawn a lot. 2710 02:05:31.479 --> 02:05:33.279 Of similar conclusions. I'm just kind of a bit more 2711 02:05:33.359 --> 02:05:35.239 kind of like, well, I can still kind of go 2712 02:05:35.479 --> 02:05:39.199 with the songs. I think you're like that, yeah, yeah, 2713 02:05:39.199 --> 02:05:41.119 And I think that's totally fair. And I again would 2714 02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:43.000 come up for the same points, but I just it's 2715 02:05:43.079 --> 02:05:45.319 why again, I can recognize this album is better and 2716 02:05:45.439 --> 02:05:47.000 it does do a lot while out with the excepts, 2717 02:05:47.000 --> 02:05:51.640 but it's why again I can't wholeheartedly throw myself behind it, 2718 02:05:51.680 --> 02:05:52.960 and I kind of have to just be a bit 2719 02:05:53.039 --> 02:05:55.479 more like, yeah, you know, I mean it's pretty good, 2720 02:05:55.600 --> 02:05:58.159 Like it's it's a shame that that's what I have 2721 02:05:58.199 --> 02:06:00.279 to feel about about the excepts again and not like 2722 02:06:01.199 --> 02:06:01.880 gush about it. 2723 02:06:02.800 --> 02:06:03.920 I can definitely see why. 2724 02:06:03.760 --> 02:06:05.479 I like again, I've seen some people like, no, this 2725 02:06:05.560 --> 02:06:07.439 is a return to form, Like no, it's it's it's 2726 02:06:07.520 --> 02:06:09.279 better than the last album. It's a return to them. 2727 02:06:09.319 --> 02:06:11.319 What you like what it's why I come back to 2728 02:06:11.399 --> 02:06:13.079 what is formed for the excerpts, and I have had 2729 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:15.800 to kind of like potentially just embrace her. That hole 2730 02:06:15.880 --> 02:06:18.720 onto heart is is it's the bubble, It's that it 2731 02:06:18.880 --> 02:06:20.439 was that time and place, and I'm glad I've got 2732 02:06:20.479 --> 02:06:23.079 to witness it. Look to this song's live, but I 2733 02:06:23.279 --> 02:06:26.000 just don't think it's I don't know they're going to 2734 02:06:26.039 --> 02:06:30.039 go back to writing those just amazing influence eighties influenced heartland. 2735 02:06:30.199 --> 02:06:33.119 Yeah, but like I said, I'm not going just make 2736 02:06:33.199 --> 02:06:34.560 hold on too Heart again, even though that is my 2737 02:06:34.640 --> 02:06:37.079 favorite record of theirs, and it's where I think they 2738 02:06:37.960 --> 02:06:40.680 I think they found on that record the thing that 2739 02:06:40.960 --> 02:06:44.720 makes their band sonically sing the most. But that's not 2740 02:06:45.319 --> 02:06:47.600 my exact complaint about this record. I mean, like pretty 2741 02:06:47.640 --> 02:06:49.000 ugly to go back to it, it's one of the 2742 02:06:49.079 --> 02:06:51.319 worst ones in terms of, you know, they've tried to 2743 02:06:51.359 --> 02:06:53.319 match the sentiment of that song by being spiky and 2744 02:06:53.359 --> 02:06:55.399 embrace it, but it sounds ugly in a cheap way. 2745 02:06:55.680 --> 02:06:57.119 It's not the worst song on the record. 2746 02:06:57.279 --> 02:06:58.880 I think that is like the worst on the record, 2747 02:06:58.880 --> 02:07:01.760 where again, the production really doesn't know where they're trying 2748 02:07:01.880 --> 02:07:04.800 to be spiking, and like if that song had like 2749 02:07:05.000 --> 02:07:09.560 a raw, like a rawer production, where that like anger 2750 02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:12.960 and kind of frustration could actually lash out for me. 2751 02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:16.640 Yeah. Really, it's like artificially distorted and it's got a 2752 02:07:16.840 --> 02:07:19.399 not quite the plot to bomb the Panhandle riff and 2753 02:07:19.479 --> 02:07:21.560 then a cheerleader chance towards the end. For some reason, 2754 02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:23.359 I'm just like, why do you, as a band who 2755 02:07:23.479 --> 02:07:27.159 work best when you are lush and you organic insist 2756 02:07:27.279 --> 02:07:29.600 on making your albums tinny? Like, why do you make 2757 02:07:29.640 --> 02:07:33.439 a singer as talented and charismatic as Murray McLeod sound 2758 02:07:33.520 --> 02:07:36.319 like a robot so often? And it doesn't feel like 2759 02:07:36.319 --> 02:07:38.520 they've learned the right lessons from learning how to live 2760 02:07:38.560 --> 02:07:40.439 and let go. They've learned that people didn't like Guinea 2761 02:07:40.640 --> 02:07:43.039 and Murray sounding like a literal chipmunk, even though still 2762 02:07:43.079 --> 02:07:44.479 not quite enough to not do it on do it 2763 02:07:44.560 --> 02:07:48.239 to myself, But they haven't had the real full reconnection 2764 02:07:48.279 --> 02:07:50.720 of identity, aside from easing off on some of the electronics. 2765 02:07:50.960 --> 02:07:52.920 They've got to remember, they're classic rock band, I think, 2766 02:07:53.159 --> 02:07:57.000 and that doesn't mean old or out of touch or whatever. 2767 02:07:57.159 --> 02:07:59.640 It's just about what kind of band you are spiritually 2768 02:07:59.680 --> 02:08:02.199 and what suits you. There is only you when it 2769 02:08:02.279 --> 02:08:04.000 was surrounded by all of the other brit rock bounds 2770 02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:05.840 who are all making there like Radio One, you know, 2771 02:08:05.920 --> 02:08:08.079 pop things. At that time, it stood out because in 2772 02:08:08.159 --> 02:08:11.079 parison it sounded timeless and like it was part of 2773 02:08:11.119 --> 02:08:14.359 a songwriting tradition that went back way further and you know, 2774 02:08:14.439 --> 02:08:17.760 hold onto your heart. They perhaps they doubled down more obviously, 2775 02:08:17.840 --> 02:08:20.039 and they made that comparison more overt, but that's essentially 2776 02:08:20.119 --> 02:08:22.239 what I want them to do, right Yeah, And it's 2777 02:08:22.399 --> 02:08:25.359 so frustrating. It's because I don't want to just make 2778 02:08:25.439 --> 02:08:27.119 that particular record again and again and again. I'm not 2779 02:08:27.159 --> 02:08:29.560 asking for fucking saxophone intros on every single track, but 2780 02:08:29.640 --> 02:08:33.920 it's mental to find your calling and then run as 2781 02:08:34.079 --> 02:08:37.000 feasibly far as possible from that right afterwards. No one 2782 02:08:37.039 --> 02:08:39.439 has ever gone, what if we took Tom Petty and 2783 02:08:39.520 --> 02:08:41.640 gave him to Travis Barker to produce, Because that's a 2784 02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:44.039 fucking stupid idea, And that's what it feels like we've 2785 02:08:44.079 --> 02:08:46.000 been stuck at with the excerpts, even if this is 2786 02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:48.880 a much less extreme example than last time. And I 2787 02:08:48.920 --> 02:08:50.560 don't think this is a horrible record, you know, to 2788 02:08:50.600 --> 02:08:52.119 bring us back down to earth a little bit more, 2789 02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:54.279 but it is more of a case of when I 2790 02:08:54.479 --> 02:08:57.960 know how brilliant this band can be hearing them not 2791 02:08:58.279 --> 02:09:00.359 capitalize on that potential. They have to be like a 2792 02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:03.720 genuinely timeless rock band who stand completely outside of any 2793 02:09:03.720 --> 02:09:05.880 trends of what's going on right now because of these 2794 02:09:06.079 --> 02:09:08.079 things that they do on a record that come out 2795 02:09:08.159 --> 02:09:10.600 unflattering to them and immediately a bit dated and just 2796 02:09:10.640 --> 02:09:12.119 having going like why have we done this? Like you 2797 02:09:12.199 --> 02:09:14.079 don't doesn't have to be this way, you know, And 2798 02:09:14.359 --> 02:09:16.720 I would love this to be the thing that they 2799 02:09:16.800 --> 02:09:19.319 get out of their system after the last thing that 2800 02:09:19.359 --> 02:09:20.920 they had to get out of their system, because a 2801 02:09:21.039 --> 02:09:24.199 step in the right direction. It is absolutely the majority 2802 02:09:24.199 --> 02:09:27.479 of this album is pretty all right, and maybe actually 2803 02:09:27.520 --> 02:09:31.039 at their core, you know, what they are is more 2804 02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:32.600 for other people than it is for me. And it 2805 02:09:32.640 --> 02:09:34.640 was almost a freak occurrence of how much they leant 2806 02:09:34.640 --> 02:09:37.960 into that timelessness I'm attributing them so much on those 2807 02:09:38.000 --> 02:09:40.399 two records in the twenty tens. Maybe I'm learning here 2808 02:09:40.479 --> 02:09:41.920 that they're not as much that band as I thought 2809 02:09:41.960 --> 02:09:45.399 they were. But I just think there's definitely still a 2810 02:09:45.520 --> 02:09:47.880 lot of work to do to really be fulfilling what 2811 02:09:47.960 --> 02:09:50.800 they're capable of rather than what's here, which is essentially 2812 02:09:50.880 --> 02:09:52.560 just not as horrible as the last one. 2813 02:09:53.399 --> 02:09:55.199 Yeah, I think that's fat. I feel like I said, 2814 02:09:55.239 --> 02:09:58.439 we are we are similar direction. But again, I just 2815 02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:00.800 is where I just can't go on, like I said, 2816 02:10:00.800 --> 02:10:04.479 the return to form narrative, because it is still they're 2817 02:10:04.520 --> 02:10:07.479 handicapping themselves for reasons I don' quite understand, and it 2818 02:10:07.560 --> 02:10:10.039 means that these songs that again, I having a lot 2819 02:10:10.039 --> 02:10:12.760 of these songs I could love, but I can't love 2820 02:10:12.800 --> 02:10:14.600 on this record, and it just means I'm kind of 2821 02:10:14.640 --> 02:10:16.560 having to just sell. And we're like, yeah, I think 2822 02:10:16.560 --> 02:10:19.520 we should know. This is a pretty good excess record 2823 02:10:19.560 --> 02:10:22.000 that's still probably like again, kind of in line with 2824 02:10:22.039 --> 02:10:23.600 some of the other stuff, but would we will probably 2825 02:10:23.640 --> 02:10:26.000 have to be their second worst record just through the 2826 02:10:26.039 --> 02:10:28.399 strength of the other catlo where there's again more to 2827 02:10:28.399 --> 02:10:30.479 pick apart on this record than there is the others. 2828 02:10:31.359 --> 02:10:33.479 Yeah, so there you go. But we are going to 2829 02:10:33.560 --> 02:10:37.000 move on to something a little bit harder edged, and 2830 02:10:37.119 --> 02:10:39.800 it's finally time for me to stop being a party 2831 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:43.119 pooper because we are going to Fuming Mouth and the 2832 02:10:43.319 --> 02:10:46.359 Ringing Bell. In all honesty, I have thought Fumi Mouth 2833 02:10:46.560 --> 02:10:49.560 up to date have been a pretty decent band, and 2834 02:10:49.680 --> 02:10:52.600 I think this is a perfect point to give this 2835 02:10:52.720 --> 02:10:55.800 band some of their flowers a bit, because they arrived 2836 02:10:55.840 --> 02:10:58.439 in twenty nineteen with their debut album, The Grand Ascent, 2837 02:10:58.720 --> 02:11:01.039 and at the time, at the very end of that decade, 2838 02:11:01.119 --> 02:11:02.920 it felt like a bit of a throwback or a 2839 02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:06.640 carrying of the torch of some of the hardcore slash 2840 02:11:06.680 --> 02:11:09.119 death metal bands from the beginning of that decade who 2841 02:11:09.159 --> 02:11:11.920 had gone by the wayside, like Trap Them and Black 2842 02:11:11.960 --> 02:11:14.880 Breath and Mammoth Grinder like that point. 2843 02:11:15.199 --> 02:11:18.399 At that time, that moment in Time Nails, they were 2844 02:11:18.439 --> 02:11:21.159 a well right full on like entombed core, you know, 2845 02:11:21.479 --> 02:11:22.920 hn two cruss death metal. 2846 02:11:23.520 --> 02:11:26.560 That wasn't the hardcore zeitgeist anymore by twenty nineteen the 2847 02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:30.159 way it had been in twenty twelve, and while not 2848 02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:33.600 to the obscene quality of those bands that we have mentioned, 2849 02:11:34.199 --> 02:11:36.600 it was enough to remind you of them and go, 2850 02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:39.000 I'm glad at least someone's doing that thing well, you know, 2851 02:11:39.199 --> 02:11:42.239 And that has mostly been my relationship with fuman Mouth, 2852 02:11:42.439 --> 02:11:44.399 but they have shown at times a little bit of 2853 02:11:44.439 --> 02:11:46.960 ambition beyond that base level. There was a point on 2854 02:11:47.039 --> 02:11:49.600 their last album, Last Day of Sun, when they started 2855 02:11:49.600 --> 02:11:52.439 to integrate these more like melodic doom influences, almost in 2856 02:11:52.520 --> 02:11:54.079 a similar way to like when we were speaking about 2857 02:11:54.239 --> 02:11:58.359 Gate Creeepinglack on the Black Curtain, which is something that 2858 02:11:58.439 --> 02:12:00.880 again at times does yet picked up here as anyway. 2859 02:12:00.920 --> 02:12:03.439 The Ringing Bell is the third four length album from 2860 02:12:03.479 --> 02:12:06.199 Female Mouth. It's out on Triple B Record, which is 2861 02:12:06.279 --> 02:12:11.279 absolutely like Capital HC, a hardcore label, but they like 2862 02:12:11.359 --> 02:12:13.399 a band that black breath. I think they're pretty much 2863 02:12:13.439 --> 02:12:16.640 equally positioned to appeal to like metal fans and hardcore 2864 02:12:16.720 --> 02:12:19.039 fans are like I will explain why I think this 2865 02:12:19.159 --> 02:12:22.119 album is perhaps their most noteworthy album so far in 2866 02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:24.479 a minute, but sam plain and simple, this is the 2867 02:12:24.560 --> 02:12:25.840 kind of thing that it would be a shock if 2868 02:12:25.880 --> 02:12:26.600 we didn't enjoy. 2869 02:12:27.439 --> 02:12:31.279 I don't trust people who wouldn't be immediately won over 2870 02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:33.840 by the intro to Cheap Death the moment you hear 2871 02:12:33.880 --> 02:12:34.520 that guitar tone. 2872 02:12:34.520 --> 02:12:36.159 If you don't like it, I don't trust you. 2873 02:12:36.520 --> 02:12:38.079 Like I'm not saying you have to love this record, 2874 02:12:38.560 --> 02:12:42.239 but if that hitting play and hearing that tone doesn't 2875 02:12:42.279 --> 02:12:44.399 just make you feel all giddy and like, ah yeah, 2876 02:12:44.439 --> 02:12:47.720 I like that, I can't trust a person because I yeah, 2877 02:12:47.840 --> 02:12:50.439 again I like femal Mouth. I've never been like that 2878 02:12:50.600 --> 02:12:52.880 the best of it, but their sound is just so like, 2879 02:12:53.439 --> 02:12:56.359 come on, guys, like, we can't not like this. 2880 02:12:56.560 --> 02:12:59.920 This is this is that good shit? Yeah, it's crust 2881 02:13:00.159 --> 02:13:03.159 death metal played by hardcore folks. Right. It's recorded by 2882 02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:05.439 Kurt Blue, which is the most obvious stamp approval that 2883 02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:07.399 you need for something that sounds like krusty death metal 2884 02:13:07.439 --> 02:13:10.319 play by hardcore folks. This album also features the talents 2885 02:13:10.359 --> 02:13:13.439 of one Jay Weinberg, formerly of Slipknot, on the drums. 2886 02:13:13.439 --> 02:13:15.399 I don't know if he's actually joined the band full time, 2887 02:13:15.560 --> 02:13:18.119 as in like will be touring or recording future albums 2888 02:13:18.119 --> 02:13:19.199 with them, or if this is just a one off, 2889 02:13:19.199 --> 02:13:20.840 but at the very least he has done this, and 2890 02:13:21.479 --> 02:13:24.279 from a metal historians perspective, it's great to hear him, 2891 02:13:24.279 --> 02:13:25.800 you know, coming out of Slipmark, where it did end 2892 02:13:25.840 --> 02:13:28.640 kind of badly for him, and then joining up with 2893 02:13:28.720 --> 02:13:30.520 something where he can just go full extreme metal and 2894 02:13:30.560 --> 02:13:32.560 fucking blitz it, you know. And obviously, yeah, he's tearing 2895 02:13:32.600 --> 02:13:34.880 up the kit on this thing. But for as big 2896 02:13:34.920 --> 02:13:37.279 a name as you know, Jay Weinberg and Kurt Blue are, 2897 02:13:37.760 --> 02:13:39.359 you know, they both contribute what they do to this 2898 02:13:39.439 --> 02:13:42.479 record admirably. This is an album that feels powered by 2899 02:13:42.880 --> 02:13:45.920 Mark Wheelan, who is the guitarist and frontman of this band. 2900 02:13:46.640 --> 02:13:48.279 And to fully get why, there is a little bit 2901 02:13:48.319 --> 02:13:52.199 of context. Mark Wheelan had a diagnosis of leukemia in 2902 02:13:52.279 --> 02:13:54.960 twenty twenty one. And he's a young guy, right, He's 2903 02:13:55.000 --> 02:13:56.960 in his mid thirties now, and so this was a 2904 02:13:57.000 --> 02:13:59.720 case where like someone in our scene could have, you know, well, 2905 02:13:59.720 --> 02:14:02.439 have been taken tragically early. He was able to come 2906 02:14:02.520 --> 02:14:05.880 through all of that cancer treatment, entered remission in twenty 2907 02:14:05.920 --> 02:14:07.520 twenty two. And this was something that was going on 2908 02:14:07.680 --> 02:14:09.880 around the time that their last album, Last Day of Sun, 2909 02:14:10.159 --> 02:14:11.640 came out, and that was dealing with you know, there's 2910 02:14:11.640 --> 02:14:13.720 songs and they're called like kill the Disease, right, it's 2911 02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:16.720 very much in there. But I guess that album, you know, 2912 02:14:16.880 --> 02:14:19.560 being written and coming out around twenty two twenty three, 2913 02:14:19.760 --> 02:14:21.920 it must have been sort of more in the midst 2914 02:14:21.960 --> 02:14:24.439 of it, I suppose. Whereas this album The Ringing Bell, 2915 02:14:24.960 --> 02:14:27.319 as well as having a title that perfectly matches a 2916 02:14:27.399 --> 02:14:29.600 scary nighttime photo of a church as you have on 2917 02:14:29.680 --> 02:14:33.920 the cover art in cancer treatment termology, the ringing of 2918 02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:37.600 the Bell refers to this little kind of ceremonial gesture 2919 02:14:37.880 --> 02:14:40.119 that is done when the treatment is complete in order 2920 02:14:40.159 --> 02:14:42.920 to kind of symbolize like a re entry into regular 2921 02:14:43.000 --> 02:14:45.560 life and a new dawn, so to speak. And the 2922 02:14:45.680 --> 02:14:49.479 album from the title of track one to the title 2923 02:14:49.479 --> 02:14:53.319 of track eleven is unavoidably I think about even if 2924 02:14:53.359 --> 02:14:55.199 it's not directly about, you know, his cancer, which I 2925 02:14:55.239 --> 02:14:56.520 think I've read that he's maybe pushed back on that 2926 02:14:56.560 --> 02:14:58.680 a little bit, it is undenoyably about a sort of 2927 02:14:58.800 --> 02:15:03.560 re emergence out of such a period into a reclaiming 2928 02:15:03.600 --> 02:15:07.760 of personal strength and essentially right, it's HM two and 2929 02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:09.720 tumbed core. You know what that sounds like. It's done 2930 02:15:09.760 --> 02:15:12.079 really fucking well. It kicks and rocks in all the 2931 02:15:12.159 --> 02:15:13.720 right places. We know what we're getting and we are 2932 02:15:13.840 --> 02:15:15.960 enjoying it. But I also find that this album has 2933 02:15:16.039 --> 02:15:20.479 this particular animating purpose about it that really brings it 2934 02:15:20.560 --> 02:15:23.399 to life. Where this album feels like a rush of 2935 02:15:23.479 --> 02:15:25.439 blood and a fuck you in the face of death 2936 02:15:25.840 --> 02:15:28.600 that just makes it like kick that little bit harder. 2937 02:15:29.199 --> 02:15:29.760 I think that's it. 2938 02:15:29.920 --> 02:15:32.640 I think, like again, the relative like the song way 2939 02:15:32.800 --> 02:15:35.399 isn't so far removed from what I think females are doing, 2940 02:15:35.760 --> 02:15:38.079 but there is an energy to this album that just 2941 02:15:38.159 --> 02:15:41.279 feels so invigorating, and again it's what makes it. It's 2942 02:15:41.279 --> 02:15:43.399 about that intro and cheap death. That tone is so good, 2943 02:15:43.960 --> 02:15:46.239 but the way they attack it, the way this album 2944 02:15:46.279 --> 02:15:48.399 just comes flying out at you and the first thing 2945 02:15:48.439 --> 02:15:50.319 you hear is him shouting live and cheat. 2946 02:15:50.199 --> 02:15:54.159 Death, Like, yeah, that's so invigorating, and it sounds like 2947 02:15:54.319 --> 02:15:56.840 the physical remains of like, you know, whatever has been 2948 02:15:56.920 --> 02:16:00.279 in his path are lying vanquished below him. He's just 2949 02:16:00.439 --> 02:16:02.640 leany and going hah in its face, you know, like 2950 02:16:02.720 --> 02:16:05.239 I Have Survived, I Refuse to Die is the lyric, 2951 02:16:05.279 --> 02:16:07.000 and it's a really great example of like this kind 2952 02:16:07.039 --> 02:16:08.960 of extreme metal, which is obviously it's dark and evil 2953 02:16:09.000 --> 02:16:10.920 and all that stuff, but it's empowering, right. It's a 2954 02:16:11.199 --> 02:16:16.199 massive show of resilience and strength. It's gone through this 2955 02:16:16.279 --> 02:16:18.279 kind of tribulation, but it's coming out stronger on the 2956 02:16:18.319 --> 02:16:20.520 other side. And that's what metal does, right. It makes 2957 02:16:20.560 --> 02:16:24.880 you feel strong, it makes you feel invincible. And channeling that, yeah, 2958 02:16:25.319 --> 02:16:28.359 channeling that chest puffing demeanor out of this like very 2959 02:16:28.439 --> 02:16:31.840 real brush with human mortality. It's just really genuine in 2960 02:16:31.960 --> 02:16:32.440 that feeling. 2961 02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:35.120 Yeah, I think that's what the hard thing of that, 2962 02:16:35.239 --> 02:16:37.840 like that community and that uned like that fighting back. 2963 02:16:37.879 --> 02:16:39.639 It's things that, again I love so much about hardcore. 2964 02:16:39.799 --> 02:16:42.200 Getting that in a kind of just more like crusty 2965 02:16:42.280 --> 02:16:45.079 death metals or thing. It just feels so like it 2966 02:16:45.280 --> 02:16:46.879 brings out the best in all of the hardcore and 2967 02:16:46.920 --> 02:16:49.319 the metal like this Some just captures all the best 2968 02:16:49.360 --> 02:16:50.760 of things about that and just sort of throws it 2969 02:16:50.799 --> 02:16:55.760 out there in this explosive, invigorating It is a heavi. 2970 02:16:55.600 --> 02:16:57.840 As balls album, but it's so uplifting. 2971 02:16:57.920 --> 02:16:59.840 There is just something about it where again, it is 2972 02:17:00.120 --> 02:17:03.559 dark in it, sound is heavy, is violent, but I 2973 02:17:03.680 --> 02:17:05.760 feel good that I feel good and I feel powered, 2974 02:17:05.760 --> 02:17:08.680 and I feel like the record wants to pick me 2975 02:17:08.799 --> 02:17:10.680 up with it and take me on. And at the 2976 02:17:10.719 --> 02:17:12.799 same time you're then getting that bendy riff on the 2977 02:17:12.920 --> 02:17:17.040 chorus to Cheat Death, which just sounds like so unbelievably hard, 2978 02:17:17.280 --> 02:17:19.920 and I think this is am though I've hit plowing it, 2979 02:17:19.959 --> 02:17:21.479 I've just been like, I this is my favorite thing 2980 02:17:21.520 --> 02:17:23.280 in the world right now, because it just is just 2981 02:17:23.360 --> 02:17:25.239 what I want to be hearing at this exact moment. 2982 02:17:25.479 --> 02:17:26.520 That isn't the Mensingers. 2983 02:17:26.639 --> 02:17:29.879 It's really this album has, like this week been my 2984 02:17:30.319 --> 02:17:32.360 sort of like alternating thing. If I don't want listen 2985 02:17:32.399 --> 02:17:33.840 to the Mensingers, I want to put this on, because 2986 02:17:33.840 --> 02:17:36.000 I've just pad this on and again. You know, it's 2987 02:17:36.120 --> 02:17:38.879 barely over thirty minutes. It's eleven songs. The songs are 2988 02:17:39.159 --> 02:17:42.799 punchy as hell, and it's just so invigorating to listen to. 2989 02:17:43.600 --> 02:17:46.920 Yeah, the next track is called Self Exhumed, like I 2990 02:17:47.159 --> 02:17:50.000 myself have climbed out of the grave that was meant 2991 02:17:50.120 --> 02:17:50.639 for me, you know. 2992 02:17:50.719 --> 02:17:53.639 And there's this middle Fearless, Like all the songs have 2993 02:17:53.840 --> 02:17:56.120 that kind of thing to them, there's. 2994 02:17:55.920 --> 02:17:57.680 This middle bit where it drops out for this just 2995 02:17:57.840 --> 02:18:01.079 eye popping raw of I'm Alive. It's just so fucking cool, 2996 02:18:01.159 --> 02:18:04.680 I say, uplifting through you know, extremity and violence and 2997 02:18:04.680 --> 02:18:06.200 all this stuff. You do have like a song like 2998 02:18:06.239 --> 02:18:09.639 a Blaze of Nihilism, which is obviously darker from the title. 2999 02:18:09.719 --> 02:18:12.159 It's crunching and destructive and that's tight on the death 3000 02:18:12.200 --> 02:18:14.360 metal end. On the hardcore front though. You've got the 3001 02:18:14.440 --> 02:18:18.479 opening riff of Finally, Fearless is like what HM two 3002 02:18:18.559 --> 02:18:21.479 pedal hate Breed would sound like. It's just spin kick 3003 02:18:21.559 --> 02:18:24.680 central and there are these classic gang vocals in the chorus, 3004 02:18:24.760 --> 02:18:26.479 you know, to match that feel and it's all about 3005 02:18:26.520 --> 02:18:29.920 you know, pushing forwards and moving onwards. The entire second 3006 02:18:29.959 --> 02:18:33.760 half of that song almost is a breakdown into the breakdown. 3007 02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:36.840 It's fucking like the solo basically being the mos call 3008 02:18:36.920 --> 02:18:40.319 for the breakdown as it like it's so hard and 3009 02:18:40.479 --> 02:18:43.239 like again that's when that is like more evil and 3010 02:18:43.440 --> 02:18:45.799 just kind of like chunk of it. But it like 3011 02:18:46.120 --> 02:18:48.239 it just hits the spot for me. And I mean 3012 02:18:48.280 --> 02:18:50.280 they like a feel blaze of nihilism, has that kind 3013 02:18:50.280 --> 02:18:52.680 of like scraping sort of antagonism on like this thing. 3014 02:18:53.000 --> 02:18:53.920 But it's got that again, this. 3015 02:18:54.319 --> 02:18:57.479 Big chunky groove and the spooky am shit at the 3016 02:18:57.520 --> 02:18:59.479 end that all the songs just cause hill and just 3017 02:19:00.200 --> 02:19:03.319 that I want from this music. It's the constant stream 3018 02:19:03.440 --> 02:19:07.120 of the sickest sounds possible. Everything does it, and I 3019 02:19:07.159 --> 02:19:09.879 think like it's what it's meant. It has then been 3020 02:19:09.959 --> 02:19:12.559 like this is the best collection and I think ultimately 3021 02:19:12.600 --> 02:19:15.040 because of the vibe and the spirit of it that 3022 02:19:15.159 --> 02:19:16.200 fumal Mouth have come out with. 3023 02:19:16.680 --> 02:19:19.600 Yeah, I think there's really admirable lead guitar work on 3024 02:19:19.680 --> 02:19:21.440 it as well. Like you're mentioning some of the solos 3025 02:19:21.479 --> 02:19:25.120 in a blaze of nihilism and such vivid revelations, opens 3026 02:19:25.200 --> 02:19:27.719 with like a dive bomb, but then screams back up again. 3027 02:19:27.840 --> 02:19:30.280 It's so fucking cool. But do you also start to 3028 02:19:30.319 --> 02:19:32.840 get some of those divergences I was talking about, like 3029 02:19:32.920 --> 02:19:36.040 into kind of the doom territory and like increased emphasis 3030 02:19:36.079 --> 02:19:38.280 on building atmosphere, which I think is one of those 3031 02:19:38.319 --> 02:19:41.600 touches that you know, it gives the music another dimension 3032 02:19:41.719 --> 02:19:43.120 beyond just being crunchy. 3033 02:19:42.840 --> 02:19:45.360 Hardcore all the way through, more like smack bang in 3034 02:19:45.360 --> 02:19:47.559 the middle of the record just leaps out to you. 3035 02:19:47.639 --> 02:19:49.680 I think that legal guitar, That's. 3036 02:19:49.520 --> 02:19:51.920 What I was like, Oh yeah, this sort of the 3037 02:19:52.479 --> 02:19:55.040 definitely hardcore bands going, We're going to throw some doom 3038 02:19:55.040 --> 02:19:56.879 metal in there, and it's going to give us actual bangers, 3039 02:19:57.440 --> 02:19:59.440 Like and is that is that paradise lost kind of 3040 02:19:59.440 --> 02:20:01.520 strand of the throwing it into that sort of thing 3041 02:20:01.600 --> 02:20:03.520 gave him and Viewmale for both just kind of gone 3042 02:20:03.680 --> 02:20:06.639 this actually, like is really conducive to writing bangers, Like 3043 02:20:07.239 --> 02:20:08.200 it's really cool, Like. 3044 02:20:08.639 --> 02:20:10.879 Yeah, like that song, it's got that kind of anchor 3045 02:20:10.920 --> 02:20:12.639 of a lead line that it always like returns the 3046 02:20:12.719 --> 02:20:14.280 song to it. And yet the type of drag as well, 3047 02:20:15.120 --> 02:20:18.000 and that has that like a big booming melodic vocal 3048 02:20:18.200 --> 02:20:21.079 that's more classically like heavy netal on top of the 3049 02:20:21.159 --> 02:20:22.920 hardcore root of where they've come from. You know, it's 3050 02:20:22.920 --> 02:20:26.719 a brilliant combo. And Barbarian Scourge is the one that 3051 02:20:26.799 --> 02:20:28.680 to me really has that again a sort of gate creeper, 3052 02:20:28.680 --> 02:20:32.079 black curtain kind of grandeur of that like peace fill 3053 02:20:32.159 --> 02:20:34.799 type lead added on to a crusty death mold stomp. 3054 02:20:35.000 --> 02:20:38.120 And then in the bridge it does what has to 3055 02:20:38.159 --> 02:20:41.600 be like an exact deliberate callback to in Left Hand 3056 02:20:41.719 --> 02:20:44.399 Path by Entombed. There is the mid section where it 3057 02:20:44.479 --> 02:20:48.120 interpolates the Phantasm score on the keyboard, and the same 3058 02:20:48.280 --> 02:20:50.879 thing happens here, like the exact melody line. It's like 3059 02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:53.239 a nice homage to like I don't know where this 3060 02:20:53.360 --> 02:20:55.440 all started, Like we're allw it's thirty five or eight 3061 02:20:55.520 --> 02:20:58.360 years later, we're still doing the Phantasm score on the 3062 02:20:58.479 --> 02:21:02.799 keyboards and it's still great. It's still sick. I mean, yeah, 3063 02:21:02.799 --> 02:21:03.680 I think that that song. 3064 02:21:03.760 --> 02:21:06.159 It's it's really cool that okay that you get that 3065 02:21:06.479 --> 02:21:08.760 like and you get so loo from out of that 3066 02:21:08.760 --> 02:21:10.239 as well, and all these sort of things they just 3067 02:21:11.000 --> 02:21:14.159 they're just good things to hear. And again, it's not 3068 02:21:14.719 --> 02:21:17.680 game changing. It is throwing back to literally like the 3069 02:21:17.959 --> 02:21:20.360 Bible of this sort of thing. But at the same time, 3070 02:21:20.879 --> 02:21:23.239 it's always going to feel good to hear those nods. 3071 02:21:23.360 --> 02:21:25.719 And I think I've got to just like you know 3072 02:21:26.200 --> 02:21:28.239 that and say, like, yeah, do that reference Left Hand 3073 02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:30.959 Path because that shit is the sickest, and hearing stuff 3074 02:21:30.959 --> 02:21:32.479 that sounds like that is still the sickest. 3075 02:21:33.239 --> 02:21:35.440 Yeah. And then you also have I really like the 3076 02:21:35.760 --> 02:21:38.799 way on the last track, which is called respect Mortality. 3077 02:21:39.360 --> 02:21:42.239 Like I said, You've had this incredible sense of like 3078 02:21:42.319 --> 02:21:45.079 you know, strength and resilience and determination all the way 3079 02:21:45.120 --> 02:21:46.920 through this record, but then it almost has like an 3080 02:21:46.959 --> 02:21:51.319 epilogue where it ends on this sort of recognition of mortality. 3081 02:21:51.520 --> 02:21:55.120 And you know, even if it's not this particular time, right, 3082 02:21:55.280 --> 02:21:57.639 there is the inevitability of the end, right, and it's 3083 02:21:57.680 --> 02:21:59.920 not yet, but it's coming. And I think there is 3084 02:22:00.200 --> 02:22:02.280 there's a cool arc to this record actually in a 3085 02:22:02.319 --> 02:22:04.680 way that like you know, gnarly death metal or hardcore 3086 02:22:04.719 --> 02:22:07.360 albums don't often have. You know, the way again, it 3087 02:22:07.479 --> 02:22:10.760 expands and grows from cheap death through to barbarian scourge 3088 02:22:11.000 --> 02:22:12.079 and then like I say, it has a sort of 3089 02:22:12.120 --> 02:22:14.360 coder at the end, it's like quite well, you know, 3090 02:22:14.479 --> 02:22:17.920 just executed very good record. I still think that Feman 3091 02:22:17.959 --> 02:22:20.879 Mouth are essentially like a really good band rather than 3092 02:22:20.920 --> 02:22:23.440 necessarily like an elite one. You know, I'm not saying 3093 02:22:23.520 --> 02:22:25.600 this is like a you know, Top twenty contender for 3094 02:22:25.600 --> 02:22:27.159 me or anything like that, but I think just the 3095 02:22:27.280 --> 02:22:32.200 really evident heart and like realness of intent that they've 3096 02:22:32.239 --> 02:22:35.000 put into this one really shines through. Like if you 3097 02:22:35.000 --> 02:22:36.639 can't tell, it's been quite a poor release month for 3098 02:22:36.760 --> 02:22:38.959 me personally and my tastes, but this is one that 3099 02:22:39.040 --> 02:22:42.239 I can like wholeheartedly recommend. The new Female Mouth record 3100 02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:42.600 is great. 3101 02:22:43.319 --> 02:22:47.399 Yeah, I'm completely with you on that. I think because 3102 02:22:47.440 --> 02:22:49.239 I just have such example as that. Maybe I'm just 3103 02:22:49.280 --> 02:22:52.399 coming out this even more fondly, but I just I 3104 02:22:52.479 --> 02:22:55.680 think if you like heavy music, it's such a like 3105 02:22:56.239 --> 02:22:58.239 I just couldn't imagine listening to this and not just 3106 02:22:58.319 --> 02:23:00.840 kind of getting swept up in the end the attack 3107 02:23:01.120 --> 02:23:03.319 and again, like it ends on the Dirge song that 3108 02:23:03.440 --> 02:23:06.239 all of these HATM two krusty hardcore records have to 3109 02:23:06.360 --> 02:23:08.639 end on nels did it? But as you say, there 3110 02:23:08.719 --> 02:23:10.840 is a there's a through line to respect more time 3111 02:23:10.840 --> 02:23:12.760 to where it's doing the dirge and kind of having 3112 02:23:13.120 --> 02:23:15.280 a weighty message to kind of like match up to it. 3113 02:23:15.319 --> 02:23:16.719 I think it's a really cool end of the record. 3114 02:23:17.040 --> 02:23:19.360 I think the whole record, front to back, like perfect 3115 02:23:19.399 --> 02:23:22.159 length of this sort of thing has actual songs beyond 3116 02:23:22.319 --> 02:23:25.200 just kind of like HM two guitar tone is sick. 3117 02:23:25.840 --> 02:23:26.040 Yeah. 3118 02:23:26.120 --> 02:23:29.360 I think like this is like a real kind of 3119 02:23:29.680 --> 02:23:32.559 like like statement from Human Mouth that they that they 3120 02:23:32.600 --> 02:23:34.559 are kind of like seriously coming to play, like. 3121 02:23:35.159 --> 02:23:38.959 Yes, let's keep the bruising going. Though No Cure it 3122 02:23:39.079 --> 02:23:42.479 is going to get dark. These guys are a hardcore 3123 02:23:42.840 --> 02:23:45.200 maybe a little sprinkling a death court as well, I 3124 02:23:45.280 --> 02:23:49.440 suppose band from Alabama in the United States. Spiritually, I 3125 02:23:49.479 --> 02:23:51.000 think they do. Obviously they sit very much on the 3126 02:23:51.079 --> 02:23:54.120 hard core side of the spectrum, not least because they 3127 02:23:54.159 --> 02:23:58.520 are one of the most very like vocally confrontational straight 3128 02:23:58.559 --> 02:24:01.559 age straight edge messaging bands around at the moment. That 3129 02:24:01.719 --> 02:24:04.319 actually on their Facebook bio it reads the World's most 3130 02:24:04.399 --> 02:24:07.879 evil straight edge band. That's that's the self description of themselves. 3131 02:24:07.959 --> 02:24:09.840 I'd seen the name and the logo as well. No 3132 02:24:09.959 --> 02:24:11.840 Cure around so much I didn't realize that. I think 3133 02:24:11.879 --> 02:24:14.440 this is technically maybe dependent how you look on it. 3134 02:24:14.520 --> 02:24:18.159 Their first full length like this racks up a respectable 3135 02:24:18.239 --> 02:24:20.760 thirty two minutes long compared to their like their couple 3136 02:24:20.840 --> 02:24:23.520 of releases they put out in the past couple of 3137 02:24:23.600 --> 02:24:26.639 years are like ten to twenty minute EPs, I suppose. 3138 02:24:27.360 --> 02:24:28.639 But this is the first time that we are talking 3139 02:24:28.680 --> 02:24:31.600 about them Sam No Cure in the hardcore world. Like 3140 02:24:31.639 --> 02:24:33.520 I said, I'd heard of them. They already had a 3141 02:24:33.600 --> 02:24:36.079 bit of buzz before the release of this album, and 3142 02:24:36.159 --> 02:24:37.639 I think this album has only increased that. 3143 02:24:38.520 --> 02:24:41.319 Yeah, they are like in the kind of like post 3144 02:24:41.520 --> 02:24:44.799 not loose sort of world of like hardcore where that's 3145 02:24:44.879 --> 02:24:46.719 kind of something it's got a bit mainstreamed by being 3146 02:24:46.799 --> 02:24:49.440 kind of nastier. Nuku have kind of landed themselves in 3147 02:24:49.479 --> 02:24:49.959 that category. 3148 02:24:50.040 --> 02:24:50.760 It's been a weird one. 3149 02:24:51.479 --> 02:24:54.520 I quite like Nucure because they just do bruising kind 3150 02:24:54.559 --> 02:24:57.360 of like death metal tinge like very sort of spring 3151 02:24:57.440 --> 02:24:59.319 of deafinal hardcore in the way that like we're not 3152 02:24:59.399 --> 02:25:01.680 loose with springs, but they kind of deliver on that, 3153 02:25:02.159 --> 02:25:05.360 but in a real kind of like antagonistic, straightage way. 3154 02:25:05.879 --> 02:25:09.319 And that's suddenly caught wind and got people who again 3155 02:25:09.360 --> 02:25:11.799 wouldn't go for any of these bands normally, like people 3156 02:25:11.920 --> 02:25:14.399 probably never heard of Earth Crisis, like No Cure, and 3157 02:25:14.479 --> 02:25:17.000 I'm just kind of like, huh cool. And then and 3158 02:25:17.040 --> 02:25:19.079 they said this, I think it's it's a it's one. 3159 02:25:19.239 --> 02:25:21.239 But like for me, like No Cure, it is just 3160 02:25:21.360 --> 02:25:25.239 angry marsh music. It like it's there's nothing here that's 3161 02:25:25.319 --> 02:25:28.680 kind of radical or I don't want to say not exciting, 3162 02:25:28.879 --> 02:25:31.840 like but like game changing. But if you want music 3163 02:25:31.920 --> 02:25:34.319 that you are going to spin kick too and stomp 3164 02:25:34.399 --> 02:25:36.959 on heads too and just kind of like get get 3165 02:25:37.040 --> 02:25:39.879 really angry with, they kind of just serve up a 3166 02:25:40.120 --> 02:25:42.920 very very nice helping of that sort of thing. And 3167 02:25:43.159 --> 02:25:46.440 this album doesn't really change up the formula much. But 3168 02:25:46.559 --> 02:25:48.719 if you're if you're down for what they're doing, I 3169 02:25:48.799 --> 02:25:51.879 think this is you know, this is a good time. 3170 02:25:52.760 --> 02:25:54.559 Yeah, I mean the primary appeal I think of No 3171 02:25:54.680 --> 02:25:57.079 Cure as there is absolutely no subtlety about what their 3172 02:25:57.159 --> 02:25:59.399 vibe is and how they intend on delivering it. Like 3173 02:25:59.479 --> 02:26:02.360 this is sledge hammer music through and through. There is 3174 02:26:02.399 --> 02:26:03.760 a song on it that is less than a minute 3175 02:26:03.840 --> 02:26:07.239 long called I Am Still Fucking Straight Edge, which is 3176 02:26:07.680 --> 02:26:09.120 it's almost like a line in the sand, or I 3177 02:26:09.120 --> 02:26:10.879 could see plenty of people deciding not to go with 3178 02:26:10.959 --> 02:26:14.200 them as well because of like the you know, very 3179 02:26:14.239 --> 02:26:16.520 little room for grace sort of straight edge messaging. You 3180 02:26:16.600 --> 02:26:18.399 know that people if maybe if they've had experience with 3181 02:26:18.399 --> 02:26:20.399 the adiction or whatever, they might be alienated by. But 3182 02:26:20.559 --> 02:26:23.200 that exact splitting of people, I think it's pretty much 3183 02:26:23.239 --> 02:26:26.159 what no curer about. Because if something is, as you know, 3184 02:26:26.479 --> 02:26:31.360 unrelentingly agro is what appeals to you, then this is 3185 02:26:31.399 --> 02:26:33.159 going to get your blood pumping right. And and some 3186 02:26:33.280 --> 02:26:35.440 of the harder albums we reviewed on you know, previous episodes, 3187 02:26:35.600 --> 02:26:37.840 when they have been a little one dimensional, they've not 3188 02:26:37.920 --> 02:26:41.280 even been as like heavy or violent as needed to 3189 02:26:41.360 --> 02:26:43.559 kind of punch their way past that. This one the 3190 02:26:43.719 --> 02:26:46.680 name of the game is fucking punishment. And like, I 3191 02:26:46.719 --> 02:26:50.200 don't I don't think this album is essential listening or 3192 02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:52.719 you know, spectacular, but it is for half an hour 3193 02:26:53.079 --> 02:26:56.719 just invigoratingly mean, And I can't say I didn't enjoy that. 3194 02:26:57.360 --> 02:26:59.120 Yeah, I think that's I mean, you know, when you've 3195 02:26:59.120 --> 02:27:04.040 got songs called Brain out of Displacement, like it's like slow, stompy, 3196 02:27:04.120 --> 02:27:07.440 mid tempo grooves, Like all the songs are violently like 3197 02:27:07.719 --> 02:27:09.319 the first song, even the song like the first song 3198 02:27:09.360 --> 02:27:11.479 being called when the Spasms come like that is like 3199 02:27:11.639 --> 02:27:14.879 a confrontational kind of like first song to put in 3200 02:27:14.920 --> 02:27:19.000 your album. It's just full on crush kill, destroy like music. 3201 02:27:19.440 --> 02:27:21.600 It has no like to say, no room for grace 3202 02:27:21.680 --> 02:27:23.639 or I think the crazy thing is how they're crossing 3203 02:27:23.680 --> 02:27:27.360 over without again putting in a single chorus or anything 3204 02:27:27.360 --> 02:27:29.600 like that. They have no interest in doing that. I mean, 3205 02:27:29.680 --> 02:27:32.200 it's just that that because that sheer extremity of the 3206 02:27:32.680 --> 02:27:35.120 like the violent nature of it, that's what's kind of 3207 02:27:35.159 --> 02:27:37.239 got people in and and I think that I think 3208 02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:40.479 that's cool that a band this violent and like this 3209 02:27:40.680 --> 02:27:44.440 confrontational can kind of like get a bit more traction. 3210 02:27:44.639 --> 02:27:46.399 And I think that is like really fun. 3211 02:27:47.079 --> 02:27:49.520 Yeah, I will actually say that, why are you we 3212 02:27:49.680 --> 02:27:51.319 right about that? There are a few points on this 3213 02:27:51.520 --> 02:27:55.879 where the vocalist is able to you know, deliver. There 3214 02:27:55.920 --> 02:27:58.559 are hooks like I'm not yeah, Like there are past 3215 02:27:58.639 --> 02:28:01.319 when they deliver a line with a little bit of 3216 02:28:01.440 --> 02:28:03.399 like you know, charisma, basically like in that first track 3217 02:28:03.440 --> 02:28:07.360 when the spasm scene. Care Now, I would say we've 3218 02:28:07.399 --> 02:28:09.159 all been sold down the river, so you thank them 3219 02:28:09.200 --> 02:28:11.840 with cirrhosis of the liver, like when he delivers that line, 3220 02:28:12.120 --> 02:28:14.760 it does like, you know, it hits your ear right 3221 02:28:14.799 --> 02:28:17.280 with a certain kind of zing to it, and it 3222 02:28:17.319 --> 02:28:19.079 has like a few little kind of heavy litt harmonies 3223 02:28:19.079 --> 02:28:20.559 at the beginning as well for good measure. But it's 3224 02:28:20.559 --> 02:28:23.639 it's just really obnoxious. I think the beat down riffs 3225 02:28:23.719 --> 02:28:26.920 are so sludgy and stupid on this. I was thinking 3226 02:28:26.920 --> 02:28:29.600 about like Desolated and that period of beat down bads. 3227 02:28:29.639 --> 02:28:33.600 We had a little bit like iron Clad the silly 3228 02:28:33.680 --> 02:28:37.280 Walk riff going on in that is boundless in that 3229 02:28:37.399 --> 02:28:41.159 particular area. There are some great little like rallying call 3230 02:28:41.200 --> 02:28:43.879 and response bits, like at the start of Starved in Sanctuary, 3231 02:28:43.920 --> 02:28:45.879 there's that they want you sick, they want you fucked up, 3232 02:28:46.000 --> 02:28:48.520 they want you feeling like you're oh of options. I 3233 02:28:48.600 --> 02:28:50.239 think that again, it carries the spirit of the am 3234 02:28:50.280 --> 02:28:52.760 pretty well in you know, trying to you know, bite 3235 02:28:52.799 --> 02:28:55.680 back against this idea of societal sickness. I am still 3236 02:28:55.760 --> 02:28:58.159 fucking straight edge, even as I am not straight edge. 3237 02:28:58.239 --> 02:29:00.399 That is a banger, right, I can see what you 3238 02:29:00.479 --> 02:29:02.920 look at that that album tracktlist and that song immediately 3239 02:29:03.120 --> 02:29:05.280 springs to mind, which is when you're reading the words 3240 02:29:05.280 --> 02:29:07.239 before hearing it and then you put it on and 3241 02:29:07.520 --> 02:29:11.680 it is about as again ferocious and sticky as a 3242 02:29:11.760 --> 02:29:13.920 fifty second song called I Am Still Fucking straight Edge 3243 02:29:14.000 --> 02:29:15.799 needs to beat, I suppose, and like I said, without 3244 02:29:15.840 --> 02:29:19.760 without having commercial elements, I think there are bits where 3245 02:29:19.760 --> 02:29:23.639 they are able to deliver, you know, in the wording 3246 02:29:23.760 --> 02:29:25.840 and just how again those those those you know, those 3247 02:29:25.920 --> 02:29:28.840 vocal parts hit you a bit, you know some singers, right, I. 3248 02:29:28.879 --> 02:29:32.360 Mean again, I was mentioned on bringing out displacement, shouting, 3249 02:29:32.399 --> 02:29:34.959 smash of scoll over a beat down that's gonna stick 3250 02:29:35.120 --> 02:29:36.760 like that, that that that sort of thing like I'm 3251 02:29:37.120 --> 02:29:38.920 showed being like a fifty second punk song where that 3252 02:29:38.959 --> 02:29:40.840 I Am Still fucking straight Edge, or of shouting look 3253 02:29:40.840 --> 02:29:43.559 at the end, they pepper those moments through the album 3254 02:29:43.600 --> 02:29:47.760 where again it like again, even it hasn't got like choruses, 3255 02:29:48.159 --> 02:29:52.840 as we said, like it does just deliver catchy, like 3256 02:29:53.120 --> 02:29:57.879 ear catching moments of pure violent confrontation and aggression. 3257 02:29:58.639 --> 02:30:00.639 Yeah, and some of some of the it's not even 3258 02:30:00.719 --> 02:30:02.360 being strictly about the straight edge stuff, but some of 3259 02:30:02.399 --> 02:30:05.120 the environmentalism as well. On a bliving crusade, there's another 3260 02:30:05.200 --> 02:30:07.680 chemical spill and presses it to disaster. They shill again 3261 02:30:07.799 --> 02:30:09.040 it Yeah. 3262 02:30:08.959 --> 02:30:11.200 No, that's what I think. Like there is a conviction 3263 02:30:11.360 --> 02:30:13.920 to the delivery, but you know, they get the loads 3264 02:30:13.920 --> 02:30:15.920 of guest spots and to add that kind of hardcore 3265 02:30:16.200 --> 02:30:18.760 gang kind of like vibe to it. I think it 3266 02:30:18.879 --> 02:30:21.479 just it hits something like I think my Wooden Flames actually, 3267 02:30:21.479 --> 02:30:23.280 you know, brings in a bit of drama. I think 3268 02:30:23.319 --> 02:30:25.079 that that's one of the songs where they do again 3269 02:30:25.600 --> 02:30:27.399 so build the scope a little bit where it's not 3270 02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:31.200 just completely one note, Like I'm not like, I'm not 3271 02:30:31.280 --> 02:30:32.799 this is one of those arms I have a good honeson. 3272 02:30:32.920 --> 02:30:34.040 This is not probably going to be in my top 3273 02:30:34.079 --> 02:30:35.920 twe of the year. But at the same time, I've 3274 02:30:35.959 --> 02:30:37.799 got this on and I'm just like, yeah, I'm moshing, 3275 02:30:38.000 --> 02:30:40.239 Like I think it just it just it hits the 3276 02:30:40.280 --> 02:30:42.280 spot in the way you want it to. I think 3277 02:30:42.280 --> 02:30:45.600 there's like cool evil definitely riffs on there, the sort 3278 02:30:45.639 --> 02:30:48.159 of panic cord bits that again I'm like, keep serving 3279 02:30:48.200 --> 02:30:50.399 that up and I'll always go for it. It's not 3280 02:30:50.879 --> 02:30:53.559 as sort of derivative and one note. And again it's 3281 02:30:53.639 --> 02:30:56.879 not They've not compromised their sound or their identity to 3282 02:30:56.959 --> 02:30:59.079 go along with their new found kind of popularity. That 3283 02:30:59.200 --> 02:31:02.719 they are ading true to what they are and I'm 3284 02:31:02.719 --> 02:31:03.399 always down for that. 3285 02:31:04.159 --> 02:31:06.000 Yeah. And I will just add as well to maybe 3286 02:31:06.040 --> 02:31:07.799 sort of buck against a little bit of the idea 3287 02:31:07.840 --> 02:31:09.159 that this is just a really sort of, you know, 3288 02:31:09.239 --> 02:31:12.239 stupid beat down type album. I think these guys can play, 3289 02:31:12.559 --> 02:31:14.159 and I think I can tell that because there is 3290 02:31:14.559 --> 02:31:19.520 a little more flare in the guitars riffs like some 3291 02:31:19.559 --> 02:31:21.799 of these bands who there some of these bands who 3292 02:31:21.799 --> 02:31:24.040 are like just more basic and lumpen. You mentioned My 3293 02:31:24.120 --> 02:31:26.079 World in Flames or Everything I Love as Dead or 3294 02:31:26.120 --> 02:31:27.799 Dying has that as well. They're sort of like genuine 3295 02:31:27.920 --> 02:31:31.799 cool kind of metalcore riffage going on. They're convulsing in 3296 02:31:31.840 --> 02:31:34.479 the Dark has the most big, bolt thorough riffs, and 3297 02:31:34.559 --> 02:31:37.639 I like those Slowly Turning Blue has these kind of 3298 02:31:37.680 --> 02:31:40.479 wonky squeal riffs that do feel like ill and rotten, 3299 02:31:40.639 --> 02:31:42.520 like the subject matter. And then to go back to 3300 02:31:42.600 --> 02:31:45.040 you mentioned the guest verses as well. Again, it is 3301 02:31:45.079 --> 02:31:47.719 primarily hardcore, but they tag in these little bits of 3302 02:31:47.760 --> 02:31:51.239 death metal both in the riffing or Purity Spiral has 3303 02:31:51.280 --> 02:31:53.879 like Vincent from the Acasia Strain come in just you know, 3304 02:31:53.959 --> 02:31:56.000 bringing the demon on what is basically a two step 3305 02:31:56.079 --> 02:31:59.319 hardkore song, Brain Matted Displacement has that call and response 3306 02:31:59.719 --> 02:32:02.920 a all thing going on on a song that is 3307 02:32:03.159 --> 02:32:05.840 seemingly just about braining people over the pavement, and there 3308 02:32:05.959 --> 02:32:09.040 is I was also as a full hip hop guest 3309 02:32:09.159 --> 02:32:12.600 verse in there that it reminds me of when Iced 3310 02:32:12.639 --> 02:32:14.879 Tea turns up on the six feet Under song One 3311 02:32:14.920 --> 02:32:17.760 Bullet Left, which is a real compliment if you know song. 3312 02:32:18.399 --> 02:32:21.319 The vocalist he's in the hardcore band Bayway, like who 3313 02:32:21.360 --> 02:32:23.399 are on those sort like like grid iroon kind of 3314 02:32:23.440 --> 02:32:25.639 hip hop fromview Tarkle band. But he's doing the full 3315 02:32:25.680 --> 02:32:27.680 on wraps of thing on this and it is again 3316 02:32:28.000 --> 02:32:30.280 it adds a load of character to that song. I mean, 3317 02:32:30.319 --> 02:32:32.319 that's one of the really fun moments on the record. 3318 02:32:32.959 --> 02:32:34.840 Yeah, I think if you like the really you know, 3319 02:32:35.040 --> 02:32:37.559 brutal end of current hardcore, you can do a lot 3320 02:32:37.600 --> 02:32:40.760 worse than giving this ago. So No Cure is going 3321 02:32:40.840 --> 02:32:42.920 to get dark. I've even said I've seen a few 3322 02:32:42.920 --> 02:32:45.879 people on Twitter saying like this album maybe you know, 3323 02:32:45.959 --> 02:32:48.079 younger people being like this album's encouraged me to try 3324 02:32:48.120 --> 02:32:49.719 giving straight edge ago and you know, you can never 3325 02:32:49.760 --> 02:32:51.280 be sure how many of those people are going to stick. 3326 02:32:51.360 --> 02:32:53.479 But if an album is already having that impact on people, 3327 02:32:53.559 --> 02:32:56.680 then you can only respect it. So they yeah, no cure. Finally, 3328 02:32:57.000 --> 02:32:59.639 we are going to pivot over into full death metal 3329 02:32:59.799 --> 02:33:01.959 for our underground pick of the month. It's a band 3330 02:33:02.000 --> 02:33:04.600 called a Rise from Worms and the album title is 3331 02:33:04.600 --> 02:33:08.280 a fucking mouthful. It's a bleeding tree hanging self destruction 3332 02:33:08.559 --> 02:33:11.120 and it doesn't really get more sensible from there. This 3333 02:33:11.639 --> 02:33:15.159 is a debut album, but from a supergroup of sorts. 3334 02:33:15.719 --> 02:33:18.319 On the drums, a serial supergrouper but one of the 3335 02:33:18.360 --> 02:33:21.000 most legendary drummers of all time, Flow moon Air from 3336 02:33:21.040 --> 02:33:26.120 Cryptopsy on vocals is Morbid Angels vocalist Steve Tucker, the 3337 02:33:26.600 --> 02:33:29.799 voice of such monstrous records as Formulas Fatal to the 3338 02:33:29.840 --> 02:33:34.360 Flesh and Gateways to Annihilation. Pretty death metal, fair right. 3339 02:33:34.719 --> 02:33:36.159 But then we start to veer off a little bit 3340 02:33:36.200 --> 02:33:39.440 because the guitarist, and I believe the primary brain behind 3341 02:33:39.479 --> 02:33:42.360 this project, like it's his band, is a sort of 3342 02:33:42.719 --> 02:33:44.440 a guy who's played in death metal but also has 3343 02:33:44.479 --> 02:33:45.959 a lot of training in the world of jazz and 3344 02:33:45.959 --> 02:33:50.639 classical and stuff, a guitarist named Sunny Lombardozzie who's also 3345 02:33:50.680 --> 02:33:55.079 played an incantation, and then oh, what's this Derek Sherinian 3346 02:33:55.479 --> 02:34:00.319 keyboard player formerly of Dream Theater and Ingram Mounsteam and 3347 02:34:00.639 --> 02:34:04.319 Joe Bonamassa. What Clearly this is not the brutal death 3348 02:34:04.399 --> 02:34:09.680 metal which it first may seem. You scamp, you rascal 3349 02:34:09.760 --> 02:34:11.079 care and making me listen to this. 3350 02:34:11.479 --> 02:34:15.920 Uh you got me with a people tump. You had me, 3351 02:34:16.000 --> 02:34:18.200 you know, in on the avn't gar death metal stuff 3352 02:34:18.200 --> 02:34:21.319 and you thought I'm gonna throw this at them, and like, 3353 02:34:22.079 --> 02:34:26.079 you know what, I I don't like this record at all, 3354 02:34:26.360 --> 02:34:32.040 but I also I kind of admire the like Shier 3355 02:34:32.600 --> 02:34:33.520 zero five. 3356 02:34:33.879 --> 02:34:35.600 I find this album is so funny. 3357 02:34:37.159 --> 02:34:40.840 That's the things I did. I laughed frequently on this album, 3358 02:34:41.399 --> 02:34:44.120 like some of the moments and the thing that there 3359 02:34:44.239 --> 02:34:46.120 there's there is actually thanks if I do like this album, 3360 02:34:46.159 --> 02:34:49.959 but at it's called this is like, we don't care 3361 02:34:49.959 --> 02:34:52.239 about songs. We're here to wank off our guitar and 3362 02:34:52.559 --> 02:34:55.879 keyboards and just play as technically as possible and like 3363 02:34:56.000 --> 02:34:58.719 and if you are down with that, then I think 3364 02:34:58.760 --> 02:35:01.040 you will have a all with this record, if you 3365 02:35:01.200 --> 02:35:03.159 just want to hear like some of the most insane 3366 02:35:03.920 --> 02:35:08.840 virtuoso guitar playing keyboard solos and then occasionally a little 3367 02:35:08.840 --> 02:35:11.680 bit of brutal death Moel tucked in there, like it 3368 02:35:11.840 --> 02:35:13.639 is there, but I have to throw I'm going to 3369 02:35:13.680 --> 02:35:14.079 deferred to you. 3370 02:35:14.079 --> 02:35:16.319 All of this one. I just like, I was just 3371 02:35:16.399 --> 02:35:18.680 kind of like, what do you expect me to say 3372 02:35:18.719 --> 02:35:19.559 about these songs? 3373 02:35:19.840 --> 02:35:21.440 There? You know a little bit, so I like, there's 3374 02:35:21.440 --> 02:35:24.840 like the odd vocal I'm like, oh, that was pretty hard, actually, babe. 3375 02:35:24.920 --> 02:35:28.760 I was like, oh, yeah, he's tossing off his guitar again. 3376 02:35:28.799 --> 02:35:34.239 Like, go have fun. It's achieved his purpose in the 3377 02:35:34.799 --> 02:35:36.879 You've called me a scamp for putting this, making listen 3378 02:35:36.920 --> 02:35:38.479 to this, and that was my that was my aim 3379 02:35:38.559 --> 02:35:38.840 for sure. 3380 02:35:39.000 --> 02:35:41.559 I knew it was I knew it was hit playing. 3381 02:35:42.840 --> 02:35:46.159 You Rascal, you pairings. I can just imagine you being like, Okay, 3382 02:35:46.319 --> 02:35:48.440 arise from worms. The color looks pretty met. It's got 3383 02:35:48.440 --> 02:35:50.280 a more of an angel vocalist. I know. I'm probably 3384 02:35:50.360 --> 02:35:53.399 like yeah, and then and then hearing it be like 3385 02:35:54.079 --> 02:35:56.319 and again that that I wanted to achieve that impulse 3386 02:35:56.360 --> 02:35:58.159 when I say I find this album really funny. That's 3387 02:35:58.280 --> 02:36:00.799 not me saying that it's bad or like a laughing stock. 3388 02:36:01.040 --> 02:36:04.959 It's just it is wickedly mischievous. I think yeah, because 3389 02:36:05.639 --> 02:36:07.959 it came my way, because this is on Church Road Records, 3390 02:36:08.280 --> 02:36:11.879 and Sammy Irwin was buzzing about having Steve Tucker and 3391 02:36:11.959 --> 02:36:14.399 you know, Flow from Cryptopsy on his label, as you would, 3392 02:36:14.600 --> 02:36:17.280 but it was like, this is a weird progressive death 3393 02:36:17.319 --> 02:36:21.639 metal album and it's it's maddening, right. It is pretty heavy, 3394 02:36:21.840 --> 02:36:25.600 like if you do like the tight, smothering approach of 3395 02:36:25.719 --> 02:36:28.360 like Steve Tucker's era more of an Angel albums, there 3396 02:36:28.479 --> 02:36:31.239 is certainly much to like about the nasty riffing on 3397 02:36:31.319 --> 02:36:34.280 a song like Forgotten Keys, Forgotten Kings, even that starts it. 3398 02:36:35.000 --> 02:36:38.479 Steve is sounding demonic and he's lurking in the belly 3399 02:36:38.559 --> 02:36:41.000 of this mix as he does. But you get those 3400 02:36:41.040 --> 02:36:42.879 you know, those snaking sort of you know, az a 3401 02:36:42.920 --> 02:36:48.040 goth style riffs. You also then get mad Shred that 3402 02:36:48.280 --> 02:36:52.799 is actively comical in how widly it is, and I 3403 02:36:52.920 --> 02:36:54.840 understand that again the guitarists who wrote this saying he's 3404 02:36:55.440 --> 02:37:00.680 renowned for using like strange, unconventional note scales and stuff 3405 02:37:00.799 --> 02:37:03.239 like that, and stuff that I'm far too stupid to 3406 02:37:03.360 --> 02:37:06.079 really like, you know, fully, fully really comprehend, but that's 3407 02:37:06.120 --> 02:37:08.360 what all this is composed out of. And you also 3408 02:37:08.479 --> 02:37:12.479 get like piano stabs and then two minutes fifteen seconds in, 3409 02:37:12.719 --> 02:37:14.959 so that first song, it's been pretty overwhelming as a 3410 02:37:14.959 --> 02:37:16.200 start of a song, but you do it. You know 3411 02:37:16.360 --> 02:37:18.559 it's death metal. You're having a pretty good brutal time. 3412 02:37:18.600 --> 02:37:20.639 You go in with the blast beats all that, the 3413 02:37:20.920 --> 02:37:25.479 full dream theater keyboards come in and it like like 3414 02:37:25.680 --> 02:37:29.399 full synth, and it is such a wild sound to 3415 02:37:29.479 --> 02:37:32.239 be hit with at that point, it is. It's ridiculous, 3416 02:37:32.280 --> 02:37:34.680 and it's almost like the song just unwinds over the 3417 02:37:34.719 --> 02:37:36.840 course of it, like it starts off death metal before 3418 02:37:36.959 --> 02:37:39.600 just losing the plot completely in the back half turns 3419 02:37:39.639 --> 02:37:43.239 as this like manic prog bullshit. All complimentary by the way, 3420 02:37:43.319 --> 02:37:45.200 I think. There are like grooves on this are pretty 3421 02:37:45.239 --> 02:37:48.000 sick like when it goes stinky and low and suffocating, 3422 02:37:48.840 --> 02:37:52.440 you get some like demented circle pit thrash rhythms on 3423 02:37:52.600 --> 02:37:55.319 like power Obsessed, but they are never more than a 3424 02:37:55.360 --> 02:37:58.079 few seconds away from having their feet yanked out from 3425 02:37:58.159 --> 02:38:00.760 under them as they fall down. Some like Won key 3426 02:38:00.840 --> 02:38:03.120 instrumental rabbit hole. Like if you have waited over twenty 3427 02:38:03.200 --> 02:38:05.760 years for a necrophagious record and you like the idea 3428 02:38:05.799 --> 02:38:08.879 of them resurfacing but coming back wearing a cape and 3429 02:38:09.040 --> 02:38:12.639 having raided a nearby keyboard imporium for the largest, most 3430 02:38:12.719 --> 02:38:15.559 wizardly shit that they have, then this is the album 3431 02:38:15.680 --> 02:38:17.040 for you. It also reminds me a little bit of 3432 02:38:17.079 --> 02:38:18.799 bad like Blotted Science for the sheer, sort of like 3433 02:38:18.879 --> 02:38:22.959 instrumental lunacy of it, but it is, it's pretty bonkers. 3434 02:38:23.040 --> 02:38:26.319 And then you're going through the record, you're almost getting 3435 02:38:26.319 --> 02:38:28.399 into the flow of what's going on. You hit the 3436 02:38:28.440 --> 02:38:32.719 halfway point and there are two back to back instrumental tracks. 3437 02:38:33.000 --> 02:38:37.159 The first one Nine Walls. It is like the mid 3438 02:38:37.200 --> 02:38:39.239 album Divide in that it doesn't start straight away. It 3439 02:38:39.280 --> 02:38:41.440 has like the sort of desolate jazzy break at the start. 3440 02:38:42.319 --> 02:38:44.680 But then as well as being the longest one on 3441 02:38:44.719 --> 02:38:47.440 the record, again, it's a complete instrumental track, just playing 3442 02:38:47.520 --> 02:38:53.120 you with the most ridiculous like dueling, jarring, starting and stopping. 3443 02:38:53.600 --> 02:38:55.719 Got guitar and keyboard parts, which is the other thing, right. 3444 02:38:55.760 --> 02:38:57.520 It rarely just hits the rhythm and stays on. It's 3445 02:38:57.520 --> 02:39:00.319 always blocking you off. It just always goes over the like. 3446 02:39:03.159 --> 02:39:06.520 Power obsessed, right, you get it. There's that genuinely sick 3447 02:39:06.600 --> 02:39:09.360 riff and then after a couple of seconds and then 3448 02:39:09.559 --> 02:39:12.120 back and then just like I was like, can you 3449 02:39:12.239 --> 02:39:15.159 please just keep the rib going for more than a 3450 02:39:15.239 --> 02:39:18.079 few seconds before doing that? I can't like this is 3451 02:39:18.200 --> 02:39:20.920 me Like yeah, I know you said, this is me 3452 02:39:21.040 --> 02:39:24.239 being like extremely stupid. I am way too simple for 3453 02:39:24.360 --> 02:39:29.200 this sort of stuff. But it was like, come on, Wolves. 3454 02:39:28.920 --> 02:39:30.879 Has a perremine in there as well, and when that 3455 02:39:31.000 --> 02:39:33.280 starts coming, I'm like, you are off your rocker mate. 3456 02:39:34.719 --> 02:39:35.600 Like that was it. 3457 02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:38.120 It was no more something like like like kind of 3458 02:39:38.159 --> 02:39:41.319 like jazz kind of like evil jazz Matthew sort of thing. 3459 02:39:41.399 --> 02:39:44.079 And then going from space with the like pherom and 3460 02:39:44.120 --> 02:39:47.959 I was like, right, yeah, all bets are off. I'm 3461 02:39:48.319 --> 02:39:51.479 I surrender myself to your madness. Arise from worms and 3462 02:39:51.559 --> 02:39:53.280 these are like that long too is again it's like 3463 02:39:53.559 --> 02:39:56.440 this runaway train kind of like instrumental sort of thing 3464 02:39:56.479 --> 02:39:58.479 where it's again throwing so many different things that I 3465 02:39:58.559 --> 02:40:00.600 was just like, why have we got who's was it? 3466 02:40:00.639 --> 02:40:01.000 In a row? 3467 02:40:01.040 --> 02:40:04.000 And then the more baffling thing is so when you 3468 02:40:04.040 --> 02:40:07.040 get to then Axes of the Violode Part one and two. 3469 02:40:07.399 --> 02:40:09.079 Why not just have it as one long song? 3470 02:40:09.360 --> 02:40:11.680 Why parts? 3471 02:40:13.319 --> 02:40:14.000 It's so weird. 3472 02:40:14.319 --> 02:40:16.840 But again, that song has my favorite part of the album, 3473 02:40:16.879 --> 02:40:18.600 which is the Avenges in the Name of My Father, 3474 02:40:18.840 --> 02:40:19.600 my brothers and I. 3475 02:40:20.040 --> 02:40:20.600 That is hard. 3476 02:40:20.760 --> 02:40:22.280 That bit goes hard. I'll give the album that. 3477 02:40:23.559 --> 02:40:25.319 There are some hard moments in there. I think the 3478 02:40:25.399 --> 02:40:29.200 breakdown in Psionic being near the end is pretty tough, 3479 02:40:29.639 --> 02:40:32.120 you know. And like I said, Acts of the Voivode 3480 02:40:32.840 --> 02:40:36.559 begins with this sort of like epic classical instrumentation, which 3481 02:40:36.680 --> 02:40:37.760 I think it's a little bit of again of a 3482 02:40:37.760 --> 02:40:39.319 sort of an Asian influence going on. If you look 3483 02:40:39.319 --> 02:40:40.760 at the cover right, it looks sort of like, you know, 3484 02:40:40.799 --> 02:40:43.000 sort of Samurai s, doesn't it. They drag a little 3485 02:40:43.000 --> 02:40:47.280 bit of that. Yeah, a welcome divergence at that point 3486 02:40:47.319 --> 02:40:48.920 to give it a little bit more solid variety than 3487 02:40:48.959 --> 02:40:53.399 just but it does then indeed return to that past 3488 02:40:53.479 --> 02:40:57.520 that you're after the races once again, I think because 3489 02:40:57.559 --> 02:40:59.559 the death metal element, right, you know, when Steve Tucker's 3490 02:40:59.559 --> 02:41:01.639 growling and it's doing the dirty riffs, it is so 3491 02:41:01.840 --> 02:41:05.120 dirty and evil. This album definitely avoids the problem for 3492 02:41:05.239 --> 02:41:08.639 me of full tech death that I don't vibe with 3493 02:41:08.719 --> 02:41:11.040 because it's kind of polished and devoid of any fun. 3494 02:41:11.280 --> 02:41:13.559 Like this is a mad man's album, which is why 3495 02:41:13.559 --> 02:41:16.600 I wanted to review it. It's so fucking odd and surprising. 3496 02:41:17.040 --> 02:41:20.399 I am not anywhere near as much of like the 3497 02:41:20.520 --> 02:41:23.440 shred wank maniac as the guy who wrote this album. 3498 02:41:23.639 --> 02:41:25.680 So I can't say that this is my favorite death 3499 02:41:25.719 --> 02:41:27.920 metal record of this year, but it made me smile 3500 02:41:28.200 --> 02:41:31.799 a lot hearing these sounds colliding into each other. Every 3501 02:41:31.920 --> 02:41:35.559 time that daft Dream Theater keyboards since sound came in 3502 02:41:36.000 --> 02:41:38.360 over like a slimy death metal riff. I just couldn't 3503 02:41:38.360 --> 02:41:40.799 help being dear to it, you know, I. 3504 02:41:40.840 --> 02:41:43.319 Mean that that keyboard sound is again Wow, it's like 3505 02:41:43.360 --> 02:41:44.719 we should destroy all keyboards. 3506 02:41:46.200 --> 02:41:47.799 Well it was in dream Theater, so it makes sense 3507 02:41:47.799 --> 02:41:48.440 that you feel that way. 3508 02:41:48.639 --> 02:41:52.680 Yeah, exactly. Again, Like I have my beef with this record, 3509 02:41:52.719 --> 02:41:55.639 but I do like I can kind of admire just 3510 02:41:55.760 --> 02:41:59.959 the sheer mad scientist approach to just throwing every other 3511 02:42:00.079 --> 02:42:02.680 and not and again like this is this is now 3512 02:42:02.799 --> 02:42:04.479 for a very particular type of person. But if you're 3513 02:42:04.520 --> 02:42:08.079 that person who is down for just the most obnoxious 3514 02:42:08.239 --> 02:42:11.200 kind of like guitar virtue to keep up virtue, So 3515 02:42:11.639 --> 02:42:12.239 we don't. 3516 02:42:12.079 --> 02:42:13.479 Care about classic song structures. 3517 02:42:13.520 --> 02:42:14.680 We want to just do what we want to do. 3518 02:42:15.719 --> 02:42:18.959 Like I could see people really liking this record. For me, 3519 02:42:19.200 --> 02:42:21.639 I again, outside this review, I'm never going to go 3520 02:42:21.760 --> 02:42:23.760 back to this. But I didn't hate this. 3521 02:42:24.079 --> 02:42:26.360 I didn't. I didn't have a bad time with this record. 3522 02:42:26.920 --> 02:42:29.879 It is not my least favorite record that we reviewed 3523 02:42:30.040 --> 02:42:34.040 this week. Like is not the worst thing, even if 3524 02:42:34.079 --> 02:42:36.799 it's like something that in the past, maybe two three 3525 02:42:36.879 --> 02:42:39.120 years ago, I'd have been pulling my hair out. I'm 3526 02:42:39.200 --> 02:42:42.760 threatening to quit the podcast over having to Now now 3527 02:42:42.799 --> 02:42:44.200 I can kind of go like, well, you know what 3528 02:42:45.520 --> 02:42:48.719 it is mental and daft, and I mean because it's mischievous. 3529 02:42:49.200 --> 02:42:51.840 It gets away with doing things that I hate, because 3530 02:42:51.840 --> 02:42:53.600 there's is a kind of like mischievous that or like 3531 02:42:54.120 --> 02:42:56.600 twinkle to it that I'm willing to give the album 3532 02:42:56.760 --> 02:42:58.840 a bit of a bit of leeway. But I still 3533 02:42:59.239 --> 02:43:01.479 never ever planned to this ever again. So like you 3534 02:43:01.639 --> 02:43:04.239 got me, you had a good rib on my behalf, 3535 02:43:04.559 --> 02:43:06.280 you got me, well done? Yeah played. 3536 02:43:07.280 --> 02:43:09.239 I had a lot of fun, like you know, messaging 3537 02:43:09.559 --> 02:43:11.840 some of my friends who love Morbid Angel and being 3538 02:43:11.879 --> 02:43:13.360 like if you heard this new Arise from Worms album 3539 02:43:13.360 --> 02:43:14.879 Steve Tucker's on it and be like, oh okay, and 3540 02:43:14.959 --> 02:43:16.600 then coming back two minutes into the first rap, but 3541 02:43:16.600 --> 02:43:22.879 you're like, what the fuck It's brought me joy this album? So, Elliott, 3542 02:43:22.879 --> 02:43:24.840 if you're listening, this is the one album this time 3543 02:43:24.879 --> 02:43:30.159 I want to hear so Arise from Worms, a bleeding tree, 3544 02:43:30.280 --> 02:43:32.639 hanging self destruction. I'm sorry if we, you know, were 3545 02:43:32.680 --> 02:43:35.319 a little bit DeBie downer during some of those album reviews. 3546 02:43:35.479 --> 02:43:37.799 I do trust that next month will be a bit 3547 02:43:37.840 --> 02:43:40.840 there for us, but still some really good stuff in there, 3548 02:43:40.879 --> 02:43:42.559 and absolutely even some of the albums that we were 3549 02:43:42.559 --> 02:43:45.479 maybe warm on, interesting discussions to be had about them. 3550 02:43:45.520 --> 02:43:48.799 So do let us know what you think about all 3551 02:43:48.840 --> 02:43:51.840 of these albums we've spoken about, from Loath to Muse 3552 02:43:52.200 --> 02:43:55.159 to the excerpts to Arise from Worms, A lot still 3553 02:43:55.319 --> 02:43:59.719 to get your teeth into their next time. Obviously, in 3554 02:44:00.000 --> 02:44:02.559 August we will have our next reviews. Batch can't top 3555 02:44:02.600 --> 02:44:04.000 Hendry remember what's in it, But I know there is 3556 02:44:04.040 --> 02:44:08.360 some pretty high profile awesome stuff to come next week 3557 02:44:08.440 --> 02:44:10.840 here on the you know, the regular weekly show. I'm 3558 02:44:10.840 --> 02:44:12.799 going to be an awful fest this week so I'm 3559 02:44:12.879 --> 02:44:15.280 continuing to get down and dirty. I guess I'll be 3560 02:44:15.319 --> 02:44:19.159 back with a report from that, speaking about wading through 3561 02:44:19.280 --> 02:44:23.040 the slam rivers as will be doing. But we will 3562 02:44:23.079 --> 02:44:25.719 see you once again for that, So cheers everyone, Bye,