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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to That's Not a Metal.

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We are your weekly rock and heavy metal podcast. We

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come here every single Friday. We let you know what's up,

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what's been going on this edition This week is our

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biggest episode of the month because it is our reviews

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bag episode for July. July traditionally, I always view it

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this way is a lower key month. Less of the

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big names are releasing their albums, but considering the couple

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of very highly notable, long awaited releases the Absite to

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drop in July, and a couple of records from just

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like the end of June, for example, that we hadn't

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got to yet, we have managed to piece together quite

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a sizeable I suppose it's up for debate and question

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that we will answer whether it is a tasty reviews batch,

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but definitely some prime T and M names that we

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have to be getting into. So later in the show

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we are going to be reviewing the new albums from

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Loathe Muse, the Mensingers, the excerpts Fuming Mouth, No Cure

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and Arise from Worms. My name is Paren Haish and

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with me to enjoy all of this stuff we had

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ahead of us is Sam dign on here. Hello, Sam,

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how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Not it's a bad excited about some of the news.

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Speaker 2: You've got to talk about interest to chat about some

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of these albums and kind of get into thinking. I say,

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it feels like a big July batch actually compared to Yeah,

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it usually is because normally, you know, it's the summer,

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it's festivals, that's all that's really going on, and the

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albums are a little bit sort of sparse. But I mean,

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I've my summer album dropped last week and I haven't

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stopped listening to it. No spoilers on what that might be,

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if anyone knows my taste, but I.

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Speaker 1: Wonder what could it possibly be. It's also it's the

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oddyssey week, so I've been looking around for cyclopsters. I've

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been being wary of any trojan horses left on my doorstep.

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I'm absolutely might my surveillance levels, my wariness is up

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to a peak.

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing it again on Saturday on like the big

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seventy milimeters screen in London. I'm not I can't get

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to like the Imax one because that's sold out until September,

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but they're still like the massive seventy millimeters one, so

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I'm seeing it again on that because yeah, that's a

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movie that I want to see again on like as

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big as thing, because like, yeah, good movie.

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Speaker 1: It is good, it's bonkers. It's also obviously very very metal.

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I always feel like any sort of big, grand fantastical

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mythology type spectacle we have gone on it always chimes

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quite well with We've normally got some album or other

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dealing with some of this stuff. But that's what has

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been filling our weeks before we get into reviewing those albums.

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We are, as you were saying, we have got some

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news to run through, and our top story that we

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are going to open up this week is not one

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that I was anticipating, you know, arriving this time last

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week when we were doing our last episode. The first

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news story we've got to talk about comes courtesy of

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some little band called Gallows, who we don't know what yet.

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Maybe by the time that you're hearing us on Friday,

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everyone will know. Obviously we're recording this Thursday night, so

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if they have confirmed anything, we don't fucking know yet.

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But we don't know what they're up to. All we

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know is that they are up to something, and that

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is considerably more than they have been up to for

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a very long time. Actually, twenty nineteen was the last

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time that Gallows were like a genuinely active band, when

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they played a handful of shows, including the House of

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Van show in London, followed by then Slam Dunk that

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same weekend that you know, we attended. But that's the

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last time Gallows actually concretely existed and seven years past. Right,

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we're going to talk about some of the things that

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have gone on in that time involving, you know, members

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of Gallows that have made it seem like Gallows was

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in no way really a top concern, but it looks

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like something's going on.

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Speaker 2: It feels crazy to me because like when Gallows came

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back in twenty nineteen, it felt like they'd been away

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for age, yes, and it'd been like it really did,

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like it has been like three four years. I can

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remember exactly how it was, but it felt like they

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they were done. And then they still had come back

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and was like, yes, Gallows are back. And then COVID

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because they had plans to tour like twenty twenties for

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that as well. I think they were doing reading festival

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or something. And then COVID happens, and then the Gallows

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reunion just vanished off the face of the earth and

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Speaker 1: No more, no more Gallows again.

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Speaker 2: And then as it eight year passed on and it

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was like, I think Gallows are done. And I mean

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we in our discord were having a discussion the other

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week literally about Gallows and yes, the likelihood of them

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ever coming back. What iteration of Gallows is it? Who's fronting,

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who's doing what this and what and whoever? And like,

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of Gallo's come back and play shows, I just want

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the Gallows catalog, all four albums, both ears, to get

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the recognition it deserves again because it feels like Gallows

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have kind of been lost to time a little bit,

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like obviously definitely outside of the UK, but even in

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the UK now where they were still you know, they

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had a reputation, they had an aura to them that

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just feels gone regards with whatever Gallows it is. So

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it was really nice to sort of see initially just

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a blacked out Facebook page and then an Instagram link

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of sign up to get news, which I've signed up

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for again. I don't well, I don't know when it's

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dropping in or we could be tomorrow, it could be

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a couple of time, but something's happening. I was just like, right, cool, Fine,

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at least we're going at least we're getting Gallows back

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in the conversation. And as a bunch of people to

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and again that's what I like, a bunch of people

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getting excited about Gallo's come back. And I was like, good,

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this is what we need. If anything, just Gallows being

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back in the conversation. Then we're kind of remembering what

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a fucking great band they are. And again, right now,

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I don't care who's running, who's doing what, what the is?

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I just want Gallows back in the conversation. Everyone's kind

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of go, oh, yeah, all four of those albums are

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fucking awesome. Yeah.

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really about what a you know, unprecedented place hardcore is

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at right now as a cultural force and as like

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a genuinely mainstream force, and the way you generations of

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bands like Obviously Not Loose and Turnstile and you know,

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Code Orangine their time and all that, you know, all

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these kind of domino effects that have gone on where

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hardcore is so ubiquitous right now, it does feel like Gallows,

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for whatever reason, their part in that has fallen away

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from major discussion. And when people talk about the greatest

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hardcore bands of all time, I know, obviously there is

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a absolutely a cult following that we would certainly count

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ourselves as a part of who do regularly tout that.

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Twitter all the time, which is as I said, all

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the time, right because it's it's such a you know,

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a unavoidable scene, Gallows do not come up anymore anywhere

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near as much as I think they should. So I

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agree that that is like, out of anything that could happen,

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more so about what this actually you know, will be right,

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because we have a little trail of evidence here, as

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you said, started off with you know, blacked out social

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media pages, which always just sort of a sign of

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like you know, battle stations everyone, something is coming, but

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the scale of what that might be is unknown. Then

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we got the email link, which, like you said, which

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to me at least indicates that that sort of you

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know takes up or not right, that there is something coming.

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like something like that, you know, tour dates, whatever it

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you were saying, what form of Gallows could actually come

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back if we assume that this you know, piece of

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activity here is in fact the band again re emerging

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from their slumber to play some shows. It's not just

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a reissue or something like that. We obviously don't know

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what that actually means in terms of Gallows because the

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different version of Gallows that have existed, we have, like

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Mike about Gallows, I have said actually for a little

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while that if Gallows were to come back soon, I

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had started to believe it was more likely that we

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would actually get the Frank reunion than the you know,

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the last known active version of Gallows that was threatened

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by Wade McNeil coming back. And the reason I sort

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of felt that way is as the more time passed,

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looked like it had run its course, in the way

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that the original Frank version of Gallows had had run

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its course. Obviously, you know the fact that there was

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a hiatus after they released the second album with Wade

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that then resulted in them coming out of you know,

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hiding for those shows that we mentioned took like four years.

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you know that Again, the primary concern of all the

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Alexa on Fire becoming you know, a much more active

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band again after that with their new album and very

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constant touring and stuff like that. On top of that,

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Wades even during Thursday and has been playing with them.

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hardcore bands that he's been doing. So he's like he's

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a very busy man, Like if I wanted to grab me,

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always just's he's always somewhere. So I didn't know how

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much time Gallas would have in the schedule. The other

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members of Gallows, you know, Lags has been doing then records,

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with Marshall, Like they just all seemed like they were

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doing other things and the wide version didn't seem like

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it had a you know, an immediate demand to exist,

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a show or whatever. Clearly like all on good terms.

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to this event that we are currently talking about, I

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was not saying that it was a guaranteed thing, but

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if it was to happen, I had started to believe

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the Frank you know, incarnation of Gallows was the more

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likely thing to re emerge then the way version. The

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only you know counterside to that, obviously is Frank has

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the matter in his you know, touring schedule of playing

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a creatively active band. Maybe that does leave room for

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of Gallows and the front man of the Sex Pistols,

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but obviously being with something busy also. I think it's

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worth noting earlier today, I believe, as we're doing this,

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Frank Carter posted on his Instagram story because I guess

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people had seen the Gallows announcement and have just started

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like reminiscing and posting stuff on social media, all this stuff.

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tagged in things, and he said something along the lines

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of like it was an old tour poster. And he

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says something along the lines of, like, the best thing

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about whatever the fuck Gallows are doing right now is

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just me being reminded of all this great stuff we

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did to get right. And the wording of that obviously

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implies that Frank Carter does not know what Gallows are

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not know what Gallows are doing. He said the best

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thing about whatever the fuck Gallows are doing, which he

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do you want to happen with this? Gallows And I.

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Speaker 2: Think this is initially going to be a tour. I mean,

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like I love the way Hearer Gallows stuff. I want

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to see Frank Carter Gallows because I've never got to

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see Frank Carter Frank Gallows, Like I would love to

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see those songs performed by him, because like I never

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wanted to miss way from those songs because he was

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fucking brilliant at doing none of his reason and misery.

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But the idea of seeing Frank Carter perform them has

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always had that kind of I mean, like Great Britain

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is in my top twenty albums of all time. I

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think that album is a masterpiece. It's one of the

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most like brilliant stories in hardcore, one of the most

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forward thinking, unique hardcore records that doesn't get nearly as

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much praise as it deserves for fucking with the rules

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of just about every genre and every kind of like

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business practice in alternative music. It possibly could. I think

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it's like one of the great kind of outlaw stories.

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Speaker 1: I think it stands next to Jane Doe is the

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greatest hard grabbing full time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would not disagree, and I would the idea

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of seeing that is something that I've clung on too

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so long. I've always goind of made peace of I probably.

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I don't think he's gonna do it the whole whatever

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gas anything. He's not gonna give away on an Instagram

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story that he's coming back to Gallows. He's gonna play

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it coy like regardless of what something happens. Like, I

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think everyone deep down knows that the dream is to

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see Frank Carter come back, and that's what would make

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this Gallows reunion explode more than if it was just

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another waveun Like. I think the Wave union would be

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that same kind of like cult fan base who all

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like rocked up to House of Vans and went fucking

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meant like that gig and had the best time. But

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I think the idea of like a Gallows of Frank

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would be like a hope. I think Frank Carter needs

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something like this as well. I think like him doing

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the sex soff has been cool, but I like but

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I think his reputation is one of like the incendiary

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figures of UK music has diminished in the years, and

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I think it like a return to Gallows could reignite that.

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I would love this to be a tour that then leads.

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Speaker 1: Onto an album.

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Speaker 2: I again, like anything that's wrong that puts Gallows back

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in the prompt position is what I want. Realistically, I

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think we're getting a Gallows tour ten end of this

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year or early next year, and then maybe into like

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festival season next year, some extra eight and then that

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might be it. It might kind of just be like

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a one of those this is you know, the last

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ride of Gallows, be it with Wade and Frank We

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coming come back for one last actual like properly build final, right,

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That's what I think is most likely to happen. What

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I want to happen is tour, it go really well

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album and then Gallows are back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just would say for the record, I

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do agree. Obviously, I have seen the Wade incarnation of Gallows.

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I have loved the Wad incarnation of Gallows, but like you,

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I did not see the Franco Carnation of Gallows, and

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as someone who loves those first two records as well

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as the two with Wade, I would love to see

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It's the dream, like you said, everyone would want to

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see if they never saw it the first time out,

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that to happen and it would be a feel good story.

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The only thing I would all so add on to

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that is the worst thing about Gallows fan base going

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back over ten years, has been this tribal act about

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even while the weighed version of Gallows was active and

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around and people weren't fucking appreciating it because they were going, oh,

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get Frank back, right, Yeah, if they post this you know,

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teaser and get people excited, and they get those people

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excited and then they come back and it's the Way

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version of Gallows. Which if we got the Way version

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of Gallows back, particularly if they were to then make

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an album, right and if it wasn't just like twenty

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nineteen and we got actual new music because the last

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Wade record, fucking Desolation, sounds brilliant record. Barely anyone's heard

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it because people are fucking stupid about that band, but

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it's an incredible record there are very few punk wo

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Hargo albums released in the decade since that are better

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than that one. But like I said, if they post

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all this and they get the Frank purist excited, who

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have spent you know, the following fifteen years diminishing the

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activity of that band, and then they come back with

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the Way version of Gallows and those people start going, oh,

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you got us all excited, when it's just for the

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Way version coming back, I would just absolutely say once again,

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fuck those people, and it would be tremendously excited. So

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whichever version of Gallows does appear, I will be happy.

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I agree that the one that would be more cause

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for like, oh my God, would be obviously the Frank version.

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But either way, like I said, prior to you know,

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a couple of days ago, I did not we didn't

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have any Gallus activity. Considering the esteem that we hold

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that band in and all of their you know catalog,

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that is absolutely cause for celebration. So maybe it happens tomorrow.

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It certainly has to happen soon. Obviously we are waiting

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to see what's going on with Gallows, but they seem

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more alive than they were before, so good news. There

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some bad news. To sort of trade off that with

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talking about bands in the UK rock scene is Marmozettes

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have announced that they have split with Sam McIntire. Sam

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McIntyre obviously the sibling of Becker formerly McIntire now Becker Bottom,

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leave the front women of the band. The Marmoset's comeback

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has been like oddly, I don't know, it's it seemed

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on and off, isn't it. Where they came back released

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the album. We spoke about how the album maybe like

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wasn't as tremendous as their their first two albums, but

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it's still got a good amount of love. I know

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that when they went and did the you know, some

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shows for it, people talking about how great it was live,

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and then they even like released I'd forgotten about this

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until this announcement came out, But they released another song

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like beyond the album, like a couple of weeks ago.

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There was another extra single, so they seem to be,

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you know, have a lot of material hanging around. But

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then we've also had news like this where the kind

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of you know, chemistry within the band and they've said

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that it's due to the the you know the relationship

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between these members of the band, by which I had

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just been Sam and the other members, the other three

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primarily of the band becoming unworkable seems to have you know,

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had had its bumps already, even though it doesn't seem

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like they've been that, you know, that long since they

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have gone back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously, like the film with this one

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is like it was kind of known they were going

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to be taking a break after the Simc Becker is

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like several months pregnant again, so like that was coming

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to But it just feels weird that that that, like

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this has kind of been the sort of ending point

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of this initial first one of their reunion is one

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of the sort of members leaving. And again because it's

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like Marmosets has always been like a family unit, it

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feels extra odd then when you're like there is strong

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creative or like like differences in how things are going,

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and that's clearly caused the rift and the marmos Its

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union's kind of like just been very much like yeah,

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it's good, and then it's kind of stalled out and

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then it's kind of got but going and the like

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people say, like the two Thousand Trees set, the vibe

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did seem off. I didn't, I can't come out. I've

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just seen people say that, like you could. They felt

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like there was tensions on stage, which might be what

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then just led to this thing of kind of like

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you know, I'm done and that's it. It's yeah, it's

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just it feels like an odd kind of place to

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leave this Marmots union at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very weird. Ghosts have confirmed the details of their

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next concert film. We've already got a second one. It's

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pretty crazy that where they haven't even taken you know,

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a number of years between them, and they've just gone right,

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next album, next tour. Immediately. It's almost becoming a regular thing,

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the Ghost trip to the cinema. But their new film

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is called Too Big, Too Rig and that is going

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to be out in cinemas and imax as well August

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the twenty sixth. This one obviously captures the Scaler tour

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in the way that the previous right here, right now

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film did the Emperor Tour. I guess the curious part

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but this is how different will it be from the

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previous film. Obviously, I know the tour is different, but

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I mean from a filmmaking sensibility, the previous film famously

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had a lot of the sort of skits and like,

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you know, the comedic narrative elements and stuff around the

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actual concert film part. I don't know if they will

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be doubling down as much on that. Interestingly, I watched

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the trailer for this, which is only like a you know,

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one minute thirty seconds long. There's not a lot to

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take from it, considering most of it is obviously going

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to be you know, the concert footage of them playing

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live and stuff. But there's nothing in there in that

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trailer that you know, there's none of that usual you know,

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fucking what's her name, Sister Imperator or like, you know,

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the characters of the Ghost Universe. None of them are

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in there. And there's actually more like little interviews and

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stuff with what appears to be the crew and the

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people like putting on the show, and there's more like

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shots of again the assembly of the stage and stuff

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like that. So I don't know if this film is

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going to maybe have a little more more realism to

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it in terms of like peeling back the curtain a

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little bit and talking to like some of the you know,

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the production side of what's gone into the Ghost stage show.

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Maybe instead of the narrative elements I don't know, but

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like that's all I can go on are really from

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the again like the ninety second trailer, but that's that's

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too big to rig.

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Speaker 2: Well when it's called two big rig that has a

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kind of feeling, yeah, setting up the stage show and

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that kind of like the production aspect of it. So

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I do wonder if this is going to kind of

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be you know, the concert film with the kind of

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the behind the scenes sort of thing is quite a

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popular thing at the moment. Again, like that that kind

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of like peak behind the currency you're the artists like

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off stage and like ghost through that, but actually doing

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it seriously and not with these like with the silly

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comedy skits.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that could be. That could be interesting.

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Speaker 2: It might justify this being you know, another concert film

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really so quickly if they bring me different to it.

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I wondered it and mind this thing. When I heard

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that we're doing, sayone was like did they just realize

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the skit thing were bad? And they were like, right,

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when you just want a live document that has got

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that without the comedy and the characters interrupting the flow

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of the concerts. That was my again, biggest gripe with

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right here, right now is like the con stuff is great,

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and then every now and then you'd have to be

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pulled away from that to have these like silly behind

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the backstage sort of bits of all the characters that

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I just wasn't invested in. But then, yeah, I think

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like Ghosts are the band who can pull off multiple

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concert films. I feel like that again because each tour

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is such a different spectacle. So if you didn't like,

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I didn't see I didn't see the skill of tour,

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so I might go on to this just again to

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get a glimpse of that.

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Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, it could be good fun. Yes,

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here is an interesting stat for you, Sleep Tokens album

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Take Me Back to Eden, which was the twenty twenty

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three there third album, and I think we would all

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sort of largely say the album where the sleep token,

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you know, rising cults became genuinely like the dominant global

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metal force that they have been. That album has been

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officially certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America,

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so that means platinum in America. Obviously, there are other

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countries around the world who have their own sort of

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version of UK platinum whatever, but America obviously the biggest market, right,

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That's that's the big one. This is, you know, obvious

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a combination of sales, but also over two billion global streams.

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And I saw this thing and I was just sort of,

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you know, it occurred to me. I was like, I

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don't know, off top my head, how many you know,

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big metal releases or rock releases in the past. However

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many years have actually been certified platinum because it's something

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that we associate a lot more with, you know, the

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kind of golden age of record sales. Right, yeah, I'm

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just going to say a lot of older stuff, like you know,

477
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obviously you know, if you say that hybrid theory or

478
00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:02,599
fucking you hysteria or whatever is however many times you

479
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,880
know certified, then it makes sense. But in the modern era,

480
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,039
when sales are not what they obviously used to be,

481
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,079
it's something you see less often. And I was like,

482
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,319
I don't know, like what other albums have done that

483
00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:15,240
in recent times. And if anyone, like again I was

484
00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:17,599
just doing a cursory google, that might be completely wrong.

485
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,799
So if anyone has like other knowledge or information on this, like,

486
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,200
do share it, because I would be interested but I

487
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,000
was just thinking like, Okay, what are the other recent

488
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,240
really big, like really like again prominent heavy bands, right,

489
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,759
so obviously a google Ghost, I was like, do Ghost

490
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,079
have like a platinum album? And as far as I

491
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,119
could tell, they have one in Sweden, but they do

492
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,440
not have an American certified platinum album in the way

493
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,880
that taken back to Eden's would be. And then I

494
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,440
was like, what about Bringing the Horizon, And as far

495
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,559
as I could tell, they do not have one. And

496
00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:46,240
you might look at records like Send Paternal and that's

497
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,759
the Spirit which obviously be around way longer than sleep

498
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,799
Tokens albums, and as far as I can tell, they

499
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:55,680
have not been either. So a genuine rarefied air thing

500
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,880
that that album from three years ago has gotten to do.

501
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,079
So that's again an interesting stat Nonetheless, otherwise, we have

502
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,400
got a whole bunch of just album announcements really to

503
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,440
rattle through. Chelsea Wolf, who obviously shared those two singles

504
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,559
the other week, she has shared a third one called Cold,

505
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,279
but also the news that her album is called The Dark,

506
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,720
sharing the name of one of the previous singles she

507
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:22,680
put out, and it's going to be out on August

508
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:25,079
the twenty first, which is the same week that she

509
00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:28,079
headlines ARC Tangent and also plays a show in London,

510
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,960
which I'm very fucking jealous of, you know you having

511
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:31,519
trying to.

512
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: Get tickets for that because I've not fingers and sell Tomorrow.

513
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:35,799
I'm gonna I'm gonna try that because I've not seen

514
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,160
Chelsea Wolf yet and her I think she's doing The

515
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,119
Dark in full in the Dome in like a time,

516
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,640
which is a small Yeah, that's going to that's going

517
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,200
to be a kind of a cool show to see

518
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,720
some you. I'm gonna try and get to that.

519
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,759
Speaker 1: Yes, but just obviously know I don't want to talk

520
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,000
about too the song too heavily, but just to confirm

521
00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:54,079
off the back of the previous two songs, which are

522
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,720
more of again the kind of the you know, earthy

523
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:59,880
folk music type route of her material after obviously the

524
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,240
previous album was more like electronic. This new track cold.

525
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,000
I remember when we were talking about the previous singles,

526
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,400
it might have been The Dark, but Elliott compared one

527
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,119
of them to Florence in the Machine and we sort

528
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,599
of giggled a bit. And then I heard this one,

529
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,000
and I think this one is actually a little bit

530
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,079
more like definitely going that kind of alt folk, you know,

531
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,759
sort of direction for this one.

532
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's it's one of the cool

533
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,240
things about Chelsea Wolf where she can kind of like

534
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,640
climb out for it and it still feels kind of considered.

535
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,640
But this is I said that that old folk thing,

536
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,640
that from Streme thing. It's probably the most she's ever

537
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,480
sounded that. I think it's cool, though, I'm down to

538
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,000
storp here. I wonder for again, the album will kind

539
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,240
of go into like sha like more shadowy trains with

540
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:40,079
this particular sound I'm guessing against versically they kind of

541
00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:43,480
hint that that, but yeah, I'm I'm intrigued. It's I'm

542
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,920
glad it's going to be a very different vibe to

543
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,440
the last.

544
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,279
Speaker 1: Album you always imagine it will be. I'm on a math.

545
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:51,079
I've announced their album. It's called The All Father Awakens.

546
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,519
It's out October the second, and yes, it does feature

547
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,279
that acoustic song that I briefly mentioned on I Think

548
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,599
last week's show. I Hate Breed have got their new

549
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,680
albums called Fatal Paradox and that is going to be

550
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,440
out later in the year. That was going to be

551
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,160
out in November. I believe as much as we love

552
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,000
Hatebreed right, and we do love Hatebred and we talk

553
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,920
about them regularly, I will say the last Hate Breed

554
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,839
album is the most like completely memory hold by the

555
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:18,319
world at large has happened. Like even when it comes

556
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,839
to their festival settlists. I know that some people say, oh, yeah,

557
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,440
everything passed two thousand and nine or whatever. It might

558
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,000
not be as good as the Glory Days, but you

559
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,680
can trust, like, you know, looking down the Barrel today

560
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,079
became their biggest song, like literally, whereas the last album

561
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,559
they don't play anything off it, like it completely came

562
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,079
and went. Yeah.

563
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: I think that last album was decent, but it was

564
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,319
it landed before Hatebreed kind of re cement themselves in

565
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,480
the hardcore scene fair yeah like, and they were just

566
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:47,720
kind of like riding off the wave of sort of

567
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:49,640
them in the melt scene. So I think this new

568
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,720
album might actually make more of an impact. I think

569
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,440
the lead single off It Killed Can Increase is a

570
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,160
fucking banger and ends with one like the sickest most

571
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,880
parts Hatred have written in a long time. So I'm

572
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,440
like they are channeling their hardcore side. They are getting

573
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,680
back in touch with that kind of vibe. It's like,

574
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,079
so I wonder if that's gonna make this album. Maybe

575
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:12,000
won't do so well with you know, the download festival.

576
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:14,599
You're kind of like Fest of Masais crowd. But if

577
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,680
you want just kind of pure, like violent mosh anthems,

578
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:19,519
I feel like Hate we might actually delive on that.

579
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,880
I'm kind of excited. And you know, there's a John

580
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Tardy guest spot on the album, on the track this,

581
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,359
there's a CC cover, So I'm like, I was just

582
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,319
uite like, I'm kind of down for this Hate We

583
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,359
record like I've got a good, good feeling and it

584
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,839
could be, could could come, and it's like, oh yeah,

585
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,960
that lead single is good, the John Tidy guess what's called,

586
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,920
and then the rest of it does get kind of

587
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,519
memory hold again. But I want to.

588
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: Believe, all right. Also in that Vain Pain of Truth,

589
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,480
who had a pretty well liked Daily album a few

590
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,559
years ago, they have announced their second album, which is

591
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,079
self titled, and that's out on September the twenty fifth.

592
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,519
And also on the confirming album fronts, you know records

593
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:00,079
that we've already had music from, but now we have

594
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,880
news about the albums. Uncle Assen and the Dead Beats,

595
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,200
the Eternal Enemies of Damon, Albara and the Guerrillas. Their

596
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:08,119
new album is confirmed. It's called Shapes of Midnight and

597
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,680
that's coming out on September the eighteenth, again September. Shaping

598
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,839
up pretty well at this stage in time, employed to serve.

599
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,079
Speaking of bands we've had music from recently, they have

600
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,079
dropped another potentially I guess, standalone single. They had a

601
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:25,200
single called Dead Reckoning, which came out in May, and

602
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,519
obviously this is you know, they've had their their Fallen

603
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,359
Star album last year, wasn't it. So I don't know

604
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,880
if this seems like it would be quite soon to

605
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,960
be expecting another album, but they are dropping like a

606
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:39,200
series now of individual tracks. This one's called a Moment

607
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,039
Gone Too Soon. And when Mark and I were speaking

608
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:43,680
about on the show of the Week that they released

609
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,200
that previous record, and we were like, this is, you know,

610
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,240
considering fall and Star had experience more melodies and electronics

611
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:53,119
stuff like that. That track was like, oh suffocation, like

612
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:55,960
more of the brutal death, no influence, And this one

613
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,839
I was sort of expecting, you know, a second track

614
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,680
in a row to go in a differ direction, but

615
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,920
this one actually still very death metal influence, like very

616
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,119
clearly drawing on, you know, Sammy's love of death metal ripping.

617
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,039
And then there is a really fucking cool, like proper

618
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:15,319
naughties metal corese style heavy metal lead guitar flourish that

619
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,359
comes in the chorus as well, So full on, we're

620
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,640
back to like genuine ripping metal stuff after maybe the

621
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,160
previous record still had that for sure, but you know,

622
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:28,039
again explore some of the other shades as well.

623
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I liked that last Employed SEF but

624
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:32,400
it was the first one I kind of had to

625
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,559
kind of like grap all of them doing things that

626
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,319
were again a bit more commercial leaning, and and I

627
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:38,559
was like, they do it work better than a lot

628
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,960
of bands, but it was kind of like a flavor

629
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:43,160
was going they had to adjust to them doing these

630
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,880
two songs. Again, I wasn't there to review the first one,

631
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,559
but I was like, this is like so fucking good,

632
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,119
and this new one, I think I prefer the previous

633
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,319
one to this new one, but I don't know if

634
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:53,599
this is going to be you know, just in between

635
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,079
alms out where we'll get there the sort of the

636
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,279
real gnally employed to stuff. And then the alms might

637
00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:59,599
again play in a bit more of the sort of

638
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,119
like modern metalcore thing that they were doing on the

639
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,400
last album. But I mean, this is a really fucking

640
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,319
cool single and if it's to go along with this tour, like,

641
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,119
that's sick. If we get a new album an ounce

642
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,279
soon off the back of these singles and they're on

643
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:12,920
it's that's sick as well.

644
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,119
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd love an EP, like, give me a

645
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,200
five to six track EP of the employees.

646
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm just doing a deaf metal EP where it's.

647
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: Just like blasting and slamming employees. Yeah, like twenty five

648
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,480
minutes of that. That would That's what I would manifest.

649
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:33,160
And they are doing a UK and Europe co headline

650
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,680
tour with the Danish death core band Cabal going through

651
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,839
November as well, so they might well be coming somewhere

652
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,799
near you. And finally, also on the touring front, Warning

653
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,240
have announced a UK headline tour around of five dates

654
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,839
supporting their new album, which came out a month or

655
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,880
so ago. And I'm really excited for this because I've

656
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,759
seen Warning twice and both times they've done Watching from

657
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,240
a Distance in full, because that was basically the only

658
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,400
material that they had that people wanted to hear alive

659
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,920
and I as someone who I still fucking love that

660
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,400
new album they put out, and the idea of go

661
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000
and see Warning like not at a festival, but headlining

662
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,400
their own show in a you know, a smallish venue

663
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,200
as they are doing with a combination of like you know,

664
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,359
tracks pulled from like a real proper band, you know,

665
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,200
like a just setlers drawn from you know, across their records,

666
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,039
old and you is really exciting to me. So in

667
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,400
December when they are playing Birmingham, Glasgow and Manchester, Bristol

668
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,279
and London, if you also want to share in that,

669
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,400
then Warning are coming around. So let us move on

670
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,079
with the show. And firstly I want to talk a

671
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,119
little bit about what we are doing over on the Patreon,

672
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,119
which is the place where we do our best stuff. Essentially,

673
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,920
like you want the best podcasts that that's not metal makes,

674
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:49,559
they're on the Patreon because that is where we designate

675
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,920
a topic and we go in deep. The most recent

676
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,880
thing that we completed last week was the final parts,

677
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,599
the fourth concluding part of our band special on corn

678
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:06,079
a special that in its totality across those four parts

679
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,000
I think is something like a bit under sixteen hours

680
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:14,799
of diving into the band who invented new metal and

681
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,799
spread that across the world and the influence and the

682
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,279
long term effects for our world that has had, but

683
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,880
then also went off and made a whole string of

684
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,400
their own albums kind of in their own bubble to

685
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:31,480
all sorts of varying degrees, really really fascinating. This final part,

686
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,960
we were looking at the four albums that they have

687
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,519
made since Head returned to the band includes some real

688
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,519
like career highs records like the Nothing that we were

689
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,599
going in deep on, like why they were such standouts

690
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,519
for them at that point in time, and also summing up,

691
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:48,680
like I said, the strange last couple of years they

692
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:50,400
had had where they haven't even put out an album

693
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,599
in the last couple of years, and yet the paradigm

694
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:56,759
has shifted, yeah, if you like, in terms of where

695
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,279
corn City we were trying to get to the bottom

696
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,079
of that and assessing that and where they overall sit.

697
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:02,799
And as I've said a couple of times, that was

698
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:07,079
a special of one of the most influential bands that

699
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,039
we were talking on the show, Like I think that

700
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:12,680
they are batting around the top five of the most

701
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,559
influential heavy metal bands of all time and the bands

702
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:19,599
of that statue that we had left to do. They

703
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:21,640
are the one that was like they were a specter

704
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,119
over us for many, many years. People wanted us to

705
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,000
do it, and having done it and having completed it,

706
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:28,359
I'm proud of the effort we've given it. So that

707
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,559
is out there over the next couple of weeks. Having

708
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:34,039
completed that, that obviously took a lot of our time

709
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,759
and attention working on that over the last few months.

710
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,119
But over the next couple of weeks, we've got some

711
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,599
other stuff that we want to be doing. We do

712
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,079
want to bring back T and M does Horror, which

713
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,799
has been essentially on you know, kind of a hiatus

714
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,599
slumber over the summer as we have been busy, Sam

715
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,440
was away, etc. But we do want to bring that back.

716
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,039
And it turns out it's been a crazy few months.

717
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,279
Like you dipped at a time when horror went fucking

718
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:57,599
mental and.

719
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: Like the two movies coming out whilst I was away,

720
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,119
being like the two most like talking point horror movies

721
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:04,720
of the year, I was like, great, cool, missing out

722
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,240
on all of it.

723
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're going to sort of, I suppose try

724
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,400
and sum up a little bit what's been going on

725
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,000
over the summer. Obviously, we have to talk about the

726
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:16,599
obsession of the season, right obsession, which has if you

727
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:18,920
have been following just movies, let alone horror, but just

728
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,679
sort of movie numbers and stuff, it's been a genuine

729
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,719
phenomenon in a way that very few movies achieved. So

730
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,599
we're gonna have to talk about that. We also want

731
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,599
to talk about the new Evil Dead movie that's just

732
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,079
come out, Evil Dead Burn as we always want to

733
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:32,599
talk about Evil Dead. So those will be the two

734
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,960
primary movies of discussion in our next episode there. But

735
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,639
I think we're also maybe a little you know, to

736
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,400
just touch a little bit on again some of the

737
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,559
stuff that's happened over the last few months, movies like

738
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:43,519
you know, backrooms and so on, everything else has been

739
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,440
going on, so we have that to get to. But

740
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:47,239
we're going to be doing an album club episode. The

741
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,440
last one of these we did was a couple of

742
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,039
months ago when we looked at the likes of bringing

743
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,880
the horizons count your blessings ahead of what has now

744
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,599
happened with the twentieth diniversary celebrations and all of that.

745
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,679
But we are going to get back to it myself,

746
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,760
Samon Elliott, and the four albums that we have got

747
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,400
assembled for this upcoming album Club Batch are a really

748
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,679
odd ball bunch in a way that has a loose

749
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,519
theming around it that I think is very interesting and

750
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,199
will be interesting for us to do and we can

751
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,960
get some stuff out of it. First of all, with

752
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,480
the news of the band's return and one of the

753
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,440
most acclaimed, enormous in stature albums that has never been

754
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,599
on album Club, so we had to get around to

755
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:29,199
doing it. This is the right time, Faith No Mare's

756
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,480
Angel Dust. Then we have one of the most revered

757
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,519
but also one of the most unique, never really to

758
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,840
be quite replicated bands from the goth sphere. We're going

759
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,039
to be looking at Dead Can Dance and their eighties

760
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:47,920
album Within the Realms of the Dying Sun. Then we

761
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,239
are going to be having some cowboy punk, I guess,

762
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,400
with the self titled album from One Social Distortion. And

763
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,519
then finally again another really weird album to throw in here,

764
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:01,760
but we're gonna have some fun with it. I think

765
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,760
we are going to be looking at Alva's healthcare themed

766
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,480
orchestral noise rock album Blood Inside, a proper weirdo album

767
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:14,840
that most people, I guarantee will have not heard, but

768
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,480
we're gonna have a discussion about it and see what

769
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,519
the hell they were cooking on that one. Those four,

770
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:23,599
like I said, really eccentric records all over the shop

771
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:28,519
are gonna be going under the album club microscope next time. So,

772
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:30,320
like I said, if you want to hear that, as

773
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,079
those episodes go out live, you can hear them on

774
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:37,719
That's Not Metal Patreon, patreon dot com, slash That's Not

775
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:44,000
Metal right into the reviews today and looking at this bunch,

776
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,920
I'm gonna warn people up front, it's not smooth sailing.

777
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,719
I don't want people to sort of tune out of

778
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,119
that and go, oh, they're just gonna be negative nancies whatever,

779
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,840
because we're not broadly painting with the brush right tar

780
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,480
this that or the other. But I think certainly I

781
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,239
can speak for myself even in some ways that maybe

782
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,960
you don't. I don't know, but I think collectively we

783
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:10,079
might have some difficult feelings about some of these albums.

784
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,599
But these are some massive albums that are some of

785
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:16,119
the most again noteworthy in the T and M calendar

786
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,119
of this particular year. So let's get into them. And

787
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:23,639
the first one of those is Loathe with their new

788
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:26,960
album A Stranger to You, which is one of the

789
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,480
most anticipated heavy album releases of the decade. Actually because

790
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,519
finally after six years five if they count, and the

791
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,280
Little Ambient one. But yeah, after six years, we have

792
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,599
got the new Loathe album in twenty twenty, I let

793
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,119
it In and it took everything, became one of the

794
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:48,199
biggest breakout metal albums of this current decade, an album

795
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,800
that made them incredibly central to the modern metal conversation,

796
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,400
to the point that, like, I know, they did have

797
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,679
a debut album in twenty seventeen, but twenty twenty felt

798
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,480
like when Loathe blew up to the points of almost

799
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,679
leaving anything before that in ancient history. You know, It's

800
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:05,639
almost like Rose to Judah into sun Bath. Like they

801
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:09,000
were peripheral to the conversation in twenty seventeen, and in

802
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:14,159
twenty twenty, very suddenly they were unignorable. And that album,

803
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,320
in its reception and the way people continually down the

804
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,360
line have taken it to heart is one of what

805
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,840
I think you might call the gen Z metal classics,

806
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,880
where if you talk to people under the age of

807
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:30,199
I'll say under twenty nine because I'm twenty nine right now,

808
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:31,559
and I feel like this is something that I have

809
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,679
sort of distantly observed rather than being actively part of.

810
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,360
But what are you know that demographics favorite metal albums?

811
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:40,320
I let it in and it's if everything I think

812
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,800
is an incredibly popular choice. And if you were to

813
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,000
look at, you know, the massive medical bands of that generation,

814
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,559
you might say that the kind of the big three

815
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,360
of that are like Sleep, Token, bad Omen, spirit Box,

816
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,159
Loathe or almost like the artistic favorite, like a little

817
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,119
bit of rung below those bands in terms of size,

818
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:57,159
but the love that people have for them and the

819
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,599
praise that they lavish upon them is kind of a

820
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,760
step beyond and in his own world to the point that,

821
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,480
like I said, back in twenty twenty one, we reviewed

822
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,679
an ambient album that they put out just because there

823
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,239
was so much interest in what Loath were going to

824
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,039
do next after le and it took everything and instead

825
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,639
of carrying on that momentum and striking while the eyron

826
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,679
is hot, they have taken six years to follow it

827
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,920
up properly. We have been talking for so long about

828
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,760
the next Loath album. Recently, when they played Outbreak, I

829
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,800
went back and I looked at some coverage of the

830
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,760
last time I went and they played, which was Outbreak

831
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,320
twenty twenty three, and their people were saying, let's not

832
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,400
wait too much longer for the new album now, and

833
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,880
that was that was half the time ago, and Sam,

834
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,800
you and I have had conversations in those six years.

835
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,039
How you know, interest has seemed to ebb and flow

836
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,360
in that time, as you know for everyone else musical

837
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,679
life has had to simply carry on.

838
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,599
Speaker 2: It's such a bizarre to me this in this amount

839
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,360
of time, like for so many people, that the interest

840
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,159
of low will have like come and gone because they

841
00:39:57,199 --> 00:40:01,000
took so long. But the idea that a new band

842
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,559
could take six years to follow up an album ten

843
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,000
years ago that would have been like Chris suicide taking

844
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:08,920
three years to follow up album was considered too long

845
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,400
and you were past there and you were thrones to

846
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,840
the side. The fact that there is now the patience

847
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,000
to let Loaf take this long is feels insane. And

848
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:19,840
the fact that actually in the long run it is

849
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:21,639
the smartest thing they could have done because it has

850
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,679
let their legend grow in the six years they like

851
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,840
Ireland and took everything was like a big deal in

852
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,800
the UK. I think when it came out, But over

853
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,599
that six years now this album has kind of like

854
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,880
spread and they are like it is earned its place

855
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,360
as like like as seen as like one of the

856
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,320
great metal albums of the like I said of the

857
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,159
twentifefth century, that crowd, that octane gen z, metal core

858
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,840
crowd whatever, like the sort of thing they look at

859
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,239
Eilean and like it is it's their white pony. It

860
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,079
has that level of like like And again I like,

861
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:56,400
I really like that a lot. It was in my

862
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,800
top twenty of that year. I don't I don't look

863
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,679
at that. I'm on that regard, but that younger audience do,

864
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,679
and I think fair enough because it was I mean

865
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,480
to me, it was now that exposed that metalcore crowd

866
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:11,199
to more sounds that were just metalcore and pop music

867
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,000
like that, that's all that sort of we're kind of

868
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,800
getting from their metalcore and love kind of like offered

869
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:18,880
additional flavors and that, and then you know, the ambient

870
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,239
album kind of showed that they could do more. And

871
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,239
again I was very much like, come on, guys, come on,

872
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,440
you just get the album. Like and I My interest

873
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,559
did wane over the years, but for a lot of

874
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,960
people taking so long, it's just meant that legend has grown,

875
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:34,320
that buzz and that e Simon has grown. And so

876
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,280
this this new album is this mythical like fear and

877
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:45,280
oculum style long awaited like biblical second coming album because

878
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:48,639
because that six year wait has allowed Loaves kind of

879
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:52,360
like stature within that Again, I'm insing that is within

880
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:57,559
this core like fan base, that is where this Loaves,

881
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,360
that is what Loath I'm mainly marketing to, and that

882
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,400
is where Low are going to have their most success now.

883
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,679
And they have kind of like deified Low in the

884
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,199
build up to this album, and it's meant the long

885
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,639
way it has meant the album is more exciting than

886
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:12,760
it could have possibly been if it had come two.

887
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,639
Speaker 1: Three years after after I let it in. It's covering.

888
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:19,400
I do agree about again the sort of you know,

889
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,559
tool esque mythical reputation, even in just six years compared

890
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:24,760
to you know, fucking thirty.

891
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the time rames are different and the scalars different,

892
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,199
and it is, but again I want to that's gonna

893
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,039
be saying the album in general is that. But for

894
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:35,639
again the metalcore crowd who are oh yeah yeah.

895
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: For that demographic, it's absolutely comparable, like you were saying,

896
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,280
and my relationship with Loathe is a bit of an

897
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,079
unsteady one, I would say, because this is here obviously

898
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:47,960
as lead review, because as we've said, this is one

899
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,360
of the most anticipated and I would say important albums

900
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,079
of this year. But it is also I think important

901
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:55,960
for us as people approaching this reviewing this to establish

902
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,559
that there is that bit of a disconnect in that

903
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,840
we are reviewing the new album from a band where

904
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:08,079
to their primary fan base they are a already legendary band.

905
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,599
They are, to their converge, their death tones, right, they are.

906
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,960
This album is everything to again that that demographic who

907
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,960
have been waiting for it in that way, and we

908
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:21,039
merely thought they were good to begin with, and I

909
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,239
let it take everything. I agree it is a good album.

910
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,559
I think one of the best of their contemporary scene,

911
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:28,960
even for the reasons that you were saying, But it

912
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:31,840
is not within one hundred miles of being in contention

913
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,320
what for what I think the best heavy albums of

914
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,800
this decade are right, and you again agree, very fine album,

915
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,480
But you've suggested, like you said, that you've maybe drifted

916
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:42,800
away from the little bit in that time when I

917
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,000
let it came out, I remember saying this, like they

918
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,960
are a clearly really talented and able musicians with a

919
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:53,280
dynamism way beyond what mostly passes for metal court these days.

920
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,239
I hope they can come out with something more original

921
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,360
next time, and to be fair, they have like this

922
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,039
album is less van fleet for Deftones than that record was.

923
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,039
This album does show I think the kind of creatives

924
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,159
that Loathes are primarily interested in being in what they

925
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,960
have made after six years is not just part two

926
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:16,320
of that record, nor is it even really an expansion

927
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,719
of the things that might make Loathe more sort of

928
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,599
broadly universally appealing, you know, like this is, whatever else

929
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,519
we might say about it's one of the densest, most

930
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,079
complicated albums made by a major metal band this year.

931
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,159
Speaker 2: For a commercial metalcore band to do an album like this,

932
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,320
I think is really admirable because this album it is

933
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,920
like I don't I'm not gonna say's slow band because

934
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,440
I don't think it's like a slow burn, but you're.

935
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: Right, it is dense.

936
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: It is weaving in so many different styles and elements

937
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,760
and even again not just playing to what the metalcore

938
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,679
crowd go for. I know, like obviously we've gone here.

939
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,000
Like Sleep Took can have somehow managed to sell kind

940
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,559
of like weirdly ambling long form of like gent instrumentals

941
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:04,079
with a pop vocal like that that do kind of

942
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:06,039
like go into weird places. They've managed to sell that

943
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:10,159
to a crowd, and Loath are like not doing exactly that,

944
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,280
but it is. It is just fascinating how the milicle crowd,

945
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,000
who I associate with some of the most just cookie cutter,

946
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,039
they will lap up anything sort of thing. And maybe

947
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,519
this is this is the why Loath have been so good,

948
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:24,599
because they fit in that sort of crowd, but they

949
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:27,079
offer they do offer more and again on this album

950
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:28,480
they offer even more.

951
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: So I think that's why this album.

952
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:33,079
Speaker 2: Might be like a mind daughtering, like oh my god,

953
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:35,440
there's so much more out there experience for all that crowd.

954
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,239
I do think that ambition is going to be the

955
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:42,039
is one of my sticking points with Loath on this album.

956
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:44,480
It's a really like my thing of this album are

957
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:48,679
really complicated because I admire the fuck out of the

958
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,239
swing Loath of Taken.

959
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,199
Speaker 1: And We'll get and I think there are things about

960
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:53,800
it that work.

961
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:56,199
Speaker 2: I think there are things about it that I've just

962
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,320
left me completely cold. But it is like again, like

963
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:03,360
someone who really likes I think this album for my

964
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,880
taste and what I think is and just in terms

965
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,159
of actually like for all its ambitions and sort of things,

966
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:09,400
I think it is a worse album because I don't

967
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,360
think it works nearly as well as that album, but

968
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,320
it is in a way a more interesting album.

969
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I'm very mixed on this. I think

970
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,360
this album is in many places very cool, and I

971
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,360
would like to say that, like I said, I admired

972
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,280
Loathe Dynamism compared to their peers on I Let It In,

973
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,840
and here they are continuing to stream in that direction.

974
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,320
Our biggest criticism of so many bands like that is

975
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,480
how interchangeable they are, and that's certainly not Loath At

976
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,440
this stage. They are like pretty wildly at times, striding

977
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:48,880
into their own direction of things, and quite a bit

978
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,360
on this album I would also say is really good.

979
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,360
I don't know if this album congeals and is able

980
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,719
to become more than the sum of all the different

981
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,280
things they've thrown in the pot together, and particularly how

982
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,639
they have tried to package and wrap up those things together.

983
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,719
It is a series of moments for me inside a

984
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,559
package that is just as often quite amusing, and I

985
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:18,800
think it would be maybe easy to go overcooked, right Obviously,

986
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,559
it is one of these really really fucking long in

987
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:24,519
the making, you know, Chinese Democracy esque albums. It could

988
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,599
be easy to say they've spent too long on it.

989
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,039
I can't say if that is the case. Overall, I

990
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:34,159
would like to applaud this album because, like we're saying,

991
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,079
there is very evident ambition on show. This is an

992
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:41,119
album that wants to innovate, and they have taken six

993
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:44,039
years from their breakthrough album with the intent of coming

994
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,480
out with something that goes far beyond what they had

995
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:49,280
done before. This is again it is a metalcore album

996
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,719
that it's base, but it contains hip hop music, industrial

997
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:57,320
shoe gaze, R and B dance music, and it can

998
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,320
be thrilling like the fact that Low with what already

999
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,639
a band who are aiming towards that kind of cinematic

1000
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:06,119
sort of appeal in their albums, and then they get

1001
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,880
to the first track on this entrance bringing you into

1002
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,719
the world of the album. It genuinely it sounds much

1003
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,920
more like the intro to a jazz rap album like Legitimately,

1004
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,840
and that alone is a massive statement and it sounds

1005
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,519
beautiful genuinely, and it's such a beguiling introduction to the album.

1006
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: I was like, right that immediate kind of opening gambit

1007
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:28,800
or entrance with like I say, like this like sort

1008
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,679
of like jazz club intro with a sort of spoken

1009
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,519
word poach you've been going on over it like it is.

1010
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:35,559
It is a way to sort of say that this

1011
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,760
is more like than just a sort of metcore intro track.

1012
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,920
We are that the soundscape stuff they were doing on

1013
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,119
the on the Ambient album, there's bits of that in there,

1014
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,239
and it is very kind of like classy sounding. I

1015
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,360
was kind of like I could see some people kind

1016
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,159
of bouncing off of this and maybe, oh, it's very

1017
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,400
pretentiou because I think is quite financial by taping album.

1018
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,079
But at the same time, I think there is a

1019
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,039
real conviction behind it. I don't know who it is,

1020
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,920
the guy they've got doing the prior's I know it

1021
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:03,119
is like a guest contributor, but like he like is

1022
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:05,800
doing it again with like a gravitas to his delivery.

1023
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:11,320
The backing music is like classy and more interesting than again,

1024
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,559
what any of Love's peers could could think to come

1025
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,960
out with, So I think it's a it's a cool

1026
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,599
way to start the AMP and it does grab your attention.

1027
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,239
I think it is a strong like even if it's

1028
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,320
one that I'm like I remember saund I might sometimes

1029
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,760
to skip over it just to sort of get the songs,

1030
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,679
but I think it is an interesting and I say

1031
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:31,760
bold way to kick off what is a bold album?

1032
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: I really like the way again just a meet. When

1033
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,039
I put this album on, the first few seconds of

1034
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:37,840
it makes me feel like I'm going to be, you know,

1035
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,320
really experiencing something. The album takes three minutes and forty

1036
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,400
seconds for a metal guitar riff to come into, and

1037
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,480
it's not you know, fust about attention spans. At the

1038
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:50,440
same time, there are parts like that I think again

1039
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,320
sort of particularly that the beginning of that second trackers

1040
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,519
into and then you look at the long outro of

1041
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:57,920
Gifted every Strength as well. There are quite a few

1042
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,599
parts of absolutely the superfluous extensions of things undercutting momentum.

1043
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:06,800
Eventually block of Flats, which is that second track comes

1044
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,159
in and it has this like other guitar riff that's

1045
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,679
much more like a really gleaming like shaft of light

1046
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,840
kind of refracting at you and odd angle. They are

1047
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,079
again clearly not from just the opening two minutes this

1048
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,159
album alone, not a diamond does a metical band. They're

1049
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,519
clearly amongst their scenes mostalented musicians. I don't know if

1050
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,039
they are as good overall across this album at being

1051
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:29,960
hyper experimental as they think they are. And we kind

1052
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,079
of felt this when when we had Gifted Every Strength

1053
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,559
came out as a single over a year ago. I'm

1054
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:36,480
kind of shocked it's on the album because it felt like,

1055
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:40,360
considering it came so long ago, like it was, you

1056
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,840
know again, almost to stand alone thing. And I wonder

1057
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,119
if the fact that that song came out over a

1058
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:49,000
year before the album does speak to the the overall

1059
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:53,480
tweaking and gestation. Yeah, the idea that they were working

1060
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:55,440
on this album even past that single coming out, you know,

1061
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:58,440
but when that track came out with that first big

1062
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,719
piece of new Loath music in year and a lot

1063
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,960
of people were like, what is this like big long

1064
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,800
chain of genres and experiments non song. And the thing

1065
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,039
that gets me about that song is it's got actually

1066
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,719
a massive riff. But I do come out the other

1067
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,920
end of it and I go, would it pain you

1068
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,639
to write a memorable tune, boys, and that is exacerbated

1069
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:22,519
by the production on this album is fucking baffling, and

1070
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,360
I am conscious that for regular listeners here we might

1071
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,360
just sound like old bitches at this stage, constantly yammering

1072
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,719
on about one key production jobs on particularly metalcore albums,

1073
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,159
going ooh the mastering. You know, there are albums coming

1074
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:36,800
up in this review show that are going to say

1075
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,360
some things about as well. But it is utterly bizarre

1076
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:43,159
some of the choices that have been made here, to

1077
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:45,119
the point that it has to be I think one

1078
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:47,280
of the major talking points about this album, like, it's

1079
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,719
not just us who are highlighting this, it's a clear

1080
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,559
stylist decision what's going on here, And it's not just

1081
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,719
the usual bad production that all metal bands have. Now,

1082
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,519
it's uniquely weird decisions going on with this album. And

1083
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,760
I think with Loathe right, their albums are done basically

1084
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,639
in house, like they are a quite fiercely dry about

1085
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:11,960
it actually self producing band, and in one element maybe

1086
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,239
you can respect that, but for the love of God,

1087
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,719
we've got to stop their guitarist from producing their records.

1088
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:21,559
Because when this album is heavy, it is the muddiest

1089
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:23,440
sound I've heard on a record. This side of My

1090
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:27,679
Name is mud by Primus, Like it is so oddly

1091
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,000
mixed where the bass drum is so dry and upfront

1092
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:35,079
where it sounds like it hasn't been mixed properly compared

1093
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,000
to then the guitars, which are like water logged. It's

1094
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:42,519
this weird thing of sounding underproduced and overproduced simultaneously, and

1095
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,800
it's not consistent. Right there are again, like we was

1096
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,280
saying about the cogestation of the album, it veers from

1097
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,960
track to track block of flats. When it comes in

1098
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,079
with the full on riff is like really overstimulating with

1099
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:54,920
the way it has this like dance feeling there as well.

1100
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,679
And I actually find that when the way that song

1101
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,360
hits you, it is quite exciting, I think. But then

1102
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,280
you've got songs like Fortress Down, which is this like

1103
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,760
higher end, quite dreamy song in the guitars, except you

1104
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,079
can't hear that because you've got this graceless, fucking wet

1105
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:13,199
hamhock of a bass drum all over the top of it,

1106
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,159
or Harder to Pretend, which is a shoe gay song

1107
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,639
except someone is flicking an elastic band against your ear

1108
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:23,719
approximately once every second. It's demented that portions of this

1109
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,119
album have gone out the way they have, like.

1110
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:29,199
Speaker 2: The heavy parts of the bits, where again that the

1111
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:32,159
production immediately jumps out to me is like and again,

1112
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:35,559
this isn't me going all the horribly overseused guitar tone

1113
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:36,519
the guitar.

1114
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: To on this is just different. Yes, it just there's

1115
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:39,960
something wrong.

1116
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,079
Speaker 2: Like it feels that they have pushed all them up

1117
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,199
to make it as loud as possible, but it just

1118
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,840
sounds like like there's like like blown out sound. It's

1119
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:53,119
like I like I I again, I think they're trying

1120
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:54,880
to avoid falling into the traps of a lot of

1121
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,360
like modern milcor production. They're not trying to do that

1122
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,920
kind of like pro guitar sort of jake sound that

1123
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,239
all these band's doing. But what they've hit is like

1124
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:08,079
something else that just sounds off that you're right with,

1125
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:10,559
like the drum thing where it's like drying wed Like

1126
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,360
I think, like the production with some of the melodic

1127
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,159
bits is really nice. There were something like the more

1128
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,119
like dancy riffs that sort of skip along and I

1129
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,960
think they sound really cool and I'm like, great, you're

1130
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,199
you're doing round this. But every time the distortion kicks in.

1131
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,519
There's distortion on like Kideam's focus at times where he's

1132
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,320
screaming and it like it's drowned down. I was like,

1133
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,920
I was like, what is the reason for these decisions?

1134
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,760
It's it just it takes me out so many of

1135
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,559
these songs and it isn't again, it's not consistent throughout

1136
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,599
the whole record. The production changes and like like they're

1137
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,039
clear trying to like play with different sounds depending on

1138
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:43,400
what they're doing on the songs. And I think that's

1139
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,000
a cool idea in practice, look in theory, but in

1140
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,519
practice and what they've actually come out with, I just

1141
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,199
don't think it works. Like the most parts in this

1142
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,440
album just sounds so like overwhelming, but not in a

1143
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:59,079
like oh my god, that's really heavywhere it's just like

1144
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:01,559
blowing out you speak, because in a way that doesn't

1145
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:05,199
sound cool to me. It's it's mean banging out. Production

1146
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,840
isn't my again, it's not my usual metalcord production complaints.

1147
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,719
I just think this album's production is just messy and

1148
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:15,679
weird and it and not conducive to getting the best

1149
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:16,440
out of these songs.

1150
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I say, it's uniquely odd in how the

1151
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,719
production because it does again fluctuate it you can clearly

1152
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,880
tell it's a kind of an in house job rather

1153
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,559
than just again the other extreme of what we were

1154
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:29,920
talking about, where everyone goes to the same producer and

1155
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:30,639
puts the same.

1156
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,519
Speaker 2: Same sim sound and the same guitar. Yeah right, name redacted. Yes,

1157
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,599
Like this is the other extreme end of it, where

1158
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,760
it's just like a bit of a car crash at times.

1159
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,360
And obviously there is there is a Code Orange link

1160
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,599
in that. There's the presence of Nowhere to Run on

1161
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:49,039
the song Revenant, which those you know very distinctive like

1162
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:50,639
noise squalls and stuff, and I do like that a

1163
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,760
fair bit. It's great to hear Jamie in there as well.

1164
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,840
But I was thinking about when when Under and Underneath

1165
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:58,280
by Code Orange came out, which is their densest record,

1166
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,719
when that came out, and they a lot of expectation

1167
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,199
off forever. Obviously there was a.

1168
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,079
Speaker 1: Vocal contingent of people who were saying this is so

1169
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,039
messily produced, like it hurts my ears, this doesn't work,

1170
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:11,400
And I didn't agree in that case, but this I

1171
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,360
can kind of hear what they were experiencing, and the

1172
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,000
school of like twenty twenty six, even what we were

1173
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,360
saying about the Static Dress album when we reviewed that.

1174
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,440
On the last episode, Rath reviewed Bag, which we will

1175
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:25,679
largely praise that album, but we were talking similarly about

1176
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,679
the kind of bespoke production from track to track and

1177
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:31,320
how it fl fluctuates. It doesn't. Not every song sounds

1178
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,079
as neat and tidy as the next song, and then

1179
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:36,239
lo and behold, I look, that's produced by the loathe guitarist. Right.

1180
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,719
I think that's a guy who this is his approach.

1181
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,440
And I think if bands aren't going for the interchangeable

1182
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,320
plug in sounds, there's this other direction of bands who

1183
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,639
have this instinct for messier production. And I don't know

1184
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:51,679
if it's a thing of everyone who's got too many

1185
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:55,119
tools at their disposal now or what, but the big

1186
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:59,159
low genty guitars on this sound messier than the original

1187
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,039
mixed version of Much Sugar's Nothing from two thousand and two,

1188
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,920
and they were basically inventing that as they went. Like

1189
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,599
I said, that hard to pretend song is wildly aggravating.

1190
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,199
You cannot tell me that that song is served better

1191
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,000
by that mental bass groove that they've cranked up the

1192
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,519
way they have in that the guitars on Gemini, which

1193
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:18,719
is one of the heavier songs, are this like absurd

1194
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,400
computer regurgitated sludge, and I don't know if that is

1195
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,920
a case in that song of them trying to match.

1196
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:29,239
Later on, there's like a mad, like gabberish kind of

1197
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,440
hard bass bit that comes, but it's I don't know

1198
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,639
if they're trying to you know, match the heavy part

1199
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:36,280
of the song to when that part comes in, but

1200
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,519
it's a horrifically blown out sound, and to me, for

1201
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,760
as dynamic and involved as this album is with all

1202
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,119
its components, it's the thing that makes it sound amateurish.

1203
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,320
It's like it can't keep a grip on all of

1204
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,880
what it's doing. And I was thinking about like that song,

1205
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,800
for instance, I was thinking about AFI and their song

1206
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,480
Death of Seasons and it has this rave edm break

1207
00:57:56,719 --> 00:57:59,079
that comes in and like the middle of a punk song.

1208
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,000
And how with the grace of like proper high end producers, right,

1209
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:05,639
they pulled that off and it sounds seamless, and it

1210
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:08,960
seems a lot more impressive now after hearing something like this,

1211
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:12,559
which is you know, wild eclectic, I would say, almost

1212
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:13,800
completely graceless.

1213
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,119
Speaker 2: And this is again why I don't think that. Wheen

1214
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:17,719
of people think, you know, it's a slow Burn album.

1215
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:18,519
I was like, I don't think it is.

1216
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: I think it is.

1217
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: There's a long songs and the long one, but it's

1218
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:23,239
rushing to get some of these ideas out and it

1219
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,360
sort of froze them in there well, like I say,

1220
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,920
with a sort of a lack of grace, so that

1221
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:30,320
the transition between genres and styles it doesn't always hit

1222
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,360
with like these like the seamlessness that you would like,

1223
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,400
say that Death of Seasons one. Some of them just

1224
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:36,920
feel so jarring and it's kind of like, yeah, we're

1225
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,480
doing a heavy ban now and there's a pop bit

1226
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,559
and the shuegos ben it's a dance bit, and and

1227
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:42,559
they don't flow in the way that makes the song

1228
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:44,559
was kind of like, oh, this is a cool sort

1229
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:48,079
of industrial rave metal song. It's kind of like it's

1230
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,599
an industrial song, and then it's a metal so and

1231
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,079
it like and it just it leads to again a

1232
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:54,800
clunky stort thing. And again part of that is times

1233
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,320
of production. I think part of that is just down

1234
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,760
to the songwriting. And again, where they have I don't

1235
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,480
know if they've just quite kind of figure out how

1236
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,920
to sort of tastefully weave these ideas together. But it

1237
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,559
does just it does just make the songs kind of

1238
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,880
feel very slap dash at points and again just kind

1239
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,599
of rushing to show to show their hand. I think

1240
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:15,920
the second half the album is has problems in a

1241
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,000
different where I think it slows down then too much

1242
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:20,199
in the second half and we get songs that that

1243
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,159
languishing ideas for too long where they should maybe.

1244
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,559
Speaker 1: Tren sort of experiment things a bit too much.

1245
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:27,639
Speaker 2: Like the first half the album is kind of like

1246
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:31,639
overloaded with ideas and it's like impressive in a way,

1247
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:33,559
but it also then just it's none of it kind

1248
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:36,320
of flows into making the best songs. I think Revenant

1249
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,199
it's probably my first sorong there and they know where

1250
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:39,000
to Run sort of thing is there.

1251
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: But I think it's the most.

1252
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:43,599
Speaker 2: Cohesive song and kind of like just doing this kind

1253
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:48,280
of like stabbing electro hardcore kind of like what the

1254
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,800
code on is no where to run something within just

1255
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,760
think it kind of it hits on that for just

1256
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,079
the entire sort of thing of the song. It is

1257
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:56,679
the most abrasive, glitchy electro hardcore thing that Code Orange

1258
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:59,320
perfected and it's doing it, and the like the Demonic

1259
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,320
Jamie Guessp is like pierced on Fews, and that's one

1260
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,119
was like, You've delivered the most cohesive, considered song the record,

1261
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:07,920
and I'm like, that's do the heavy songs.

1262
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,039
Speaker 1: That's the clear standout.

1263
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:11,679
Speaker 2: And then other songs have like moments and ideas I

1264
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:13,360
think are great, but they never stick around for long

1265
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,679
or they kind of just clunkily collide into the next

1266
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:17,559
idea and.

1267
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,599
Speaker 1: It kind of makes me like, ah, you've kind of.

1268
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,079
Speaker 2: Spoiled the vibe I was enjoying there, and it just

1269
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:25,960
it just means I can never fully settle into the

1270
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,519
groove of what this record is going for.

1271
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, of the heavier songs, I agree about Revenant, but

1272
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:32,480
to swing it back to some of the stuff that

1273
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:34,679
I think really works, I think some of the better

1274
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:38,599
stuff is when they stop interfering with themselves and loathe.

1275
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:40,119
I think it was already kind of a thing in

1276
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:42,320
their identity that they were bringing in more of this

1277
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,440
kind of soul element into both their melodies and the

1278
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,639
instrumental textures as well. And because part of the problem

1279
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:52,800
is that the heavier stuff it's so overdone. There's barely

1280
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,280
any actual hooks, like for a major mainstream metal album,

1281
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,719
and considering their last album did have at least a couple.

1282
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: Two mirrors when they're best sort of vocal melodies that

1283
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:01,920
they've come out with.

1284
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it's everything their strongest suit, but choruses

1285
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,039
are swallowed up in the morass on this and ultimately

1286
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:09,519
coming out the other end of this album, I could

1287
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:12,159
barely sing you, certainly a vocal melody. I can't sing

1288
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:14,440
from you, which is a major problem. But when they

1289
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:17,719
throw themselves into some of those like more soulish textures

1290
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,239
while same simultaneously showing the you know, the restraint to

1291
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:24,199
let them breathe. I think some of the best stuff

1292
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,239
is the Way It Breaks, which is basically a shoegaze track,

1293
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,880
but it has both this sort of cybernetic trill that

1294
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,960
the record has, which is quite engaging sonically, and then

1295
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:37,159
gradually it brings in more of those things like those

1296
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,239
R and B derived bass parts and a guitar lead

1297
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,280
as well in that which cool flavored Oh yeah solo nice.

1298
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,719
I like this, this is this is good? Yeah, I

1299
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,920
said that mixture of like you know, they've taken shoegazy

1300
01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:51,599
ort rock, which is fucking again Diamond Dozen. All these

1301
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:53,360
bands want to do it, but at least they've given

1302
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,360
it again that kind of like soulish r and bish

1303
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,239
influence and texture, which to me makes that mixture feel

1304
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,039
soon per Low like that feels like a trick and

1305
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:04,920
a combination of things that is theirs. I don't really

1306
01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:07,920
like the song the Ladder, That kind of acoustic guitar

1307
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:09,480
rhythm feels a bit too.

1308
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:12,599
Speaker 2: I think it's, yeah, the one that's really misjudged in

1309
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:14,679
the back half of the record. I think this is

1310
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,400
like acoustic ballad sort of thing. Is it's sappy in

1311
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,000
a way that I don't think Loath have ever been,

1312
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:22,920
and it just it feels again, just a bit misjudged.

1313
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,519
Speaker 1: There's something about that kind of slightly sort of syncopated

1314
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:28,239
like again acoustic strumming that feels a bit too like

1315
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,840
quirky indie chirpy for me. But and again it has

1316
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,440
an absolute for a ballad type track, It has an

1317
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,000
absolute vacancy of a chorus. But I will say sonically

1318
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:38,119
again that song is more inlaring with what I'm talking

1319
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:39,280
about in terms of it does have a kind of

1320
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,920
more of control over itself, harder to Pretend, which I

1321
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,360
mentioned is a ghastly song sonically for the first two

1322
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,199
minutes of it. But the best bit of that song

1323
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:49,880
by A Miles is the outro where you get this

1324
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,519
little lounge break with the piano again chimes, that kind

1325
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,239
of that intro track that the album had, and then

1326
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:55,920
the interlue track that follows as well, and I think

1327
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,239
that element on this record, when again it's not being

1328
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,559
interfered with, those parts do sound actually fantastic and they

1329
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:06,320
give it some shine. And then you get Fangs, which

1330
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,760
is in a heavy sense, like because it's built off

1331
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,480
a big fuck off gent groove, right, but it's still

1332
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:16,599
basically are kind of R and B almost funk song,

1333
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,400
and it's almost like the kind of shit that I

1334
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:23,239
hate about Sleep Token, except Loathe are much much better

1335
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,880
and more authentic with it. It's not completely mortifying hearing

1336
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,360
them go there, and it actually complements what they do

1337
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,079
really well. I really like Fangs.

1338
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: I really like Thangs because I like that R and

1339
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,559
B mixed with down tune mosh grooves. It's one of

1340
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:37,920
the I think against one of the best songs in

1341
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:39,199
the sort of the second half of the record. I

1342
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:43,239
think Fangs and what's me and my makers? And when

1343
01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:44,679
you say that, those are the two that are like

1344
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,280
in the back off of the record, I think are like,

1345
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:49,679
this is cool you You've got an idea. And again

1346
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,159
in Fangs case, it is a genre mashing idea, but

1347
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,320
it's cohesive and consistent and you've kind of just zeroed

1348
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,360
in on doing this R and B kind of flavor

1349
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:00,000
over like I say, just like fuggish down tune mosh.

1350
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: And that like that works and I bet the Issues

1351
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,719
found in You is speaking to that as well. Exactly.

1352
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,559
Speaker 2: No, but that is exactly And when you said the

1353
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:10,519
Cio comparaison, it's like, yeah, but I think because again

1354
01:04:11,079 --> 01:04:13,119
it's the one time with the heavy thing doesn't actually

1355
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:15,920
totally sound awful, like I don't know getting the heavy

1356
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,079
productions on that song. Maybe maybe just because the vibe.

1357
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: Of the song is a bit more interesting. Could well

1358
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:22,679
it has a clear riff rather than just a fucking

1359
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:23,480
pile up right.

1360
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, exact, but yeah, no, that's it. And that's why

1361
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,280
I think that song works for me, because it is

1362
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:30,000
it is, like I say, there is a riff. It

1363
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:32,800
is big and chunky, but the vocal stuff is just

1364
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,039
more interesting and it's a it's a nice genre meld,

1365
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:37,360
whereas some of the other things that they mel and

1366
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,239
the genres they don't. They kind of just go one

1367
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,480
genenre wandrument and just sort of flip between the two.

1368
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:43,199
Speaker 1: This kind of puts the.

1369
01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: Two together on top of each other and like and

1370
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:47,039
they gel in a way that you wouldn't think they would,

1371
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:48,079
but it works really well.

1372
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that those couple of songs with

1373
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:52,159
Fangs and the way it breaks and stuff are the

1374
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:54,559
best tracks on the album for me, where they they

1375
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,639
balance all these things that they are doing the best

1376
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,559
on the album. I do wish even in some of

1377
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,559
those cases, I wish I actually loved the songs, and

1378
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:08,400
I think that's actually even more than the nightmare mixing

1379
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:10,559
job that's going on lots of this. I think that's

1380
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:12,199
my biggest thing that stops me coming back to Loath

1381
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,559
because on an intellectual level, and it's very tempting to

1382
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,039
do this when you're doing a review, right, you look

1383
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:18,679
at all the different things an album does and you

1384
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,039
go like, Wow, isn't this incredible. Look how dynamic and

1385
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:24,159
forward thinking and all the stuff it is. But even

1386
01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:26,400
some of the things that I think work, like particularly

1387
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,199
the soul element I was talking about on a track

1388
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,360
like Fangs, I don't actually go much love for them

1389
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,559
as songs because the record is mostly hookless, like the

1390
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:36,119
riff and Fangs is really big, but again, what's the chorus? Right?

1391
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:39,679
And in a way that stopped me loving. I let

1392
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:41,440
it in and took everything as an album because I

1393
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,239
had a couple of standouts. You know, is it really

1394
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,559
You is the one that I always think is really

1395
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:47,599
great on that album, But I don't think it's a

1396
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,880
phenomenal collection of songs, and this, while it is much

1397
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:55,519
less derivative and much more commendably like genuinely original for them,

1398
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,280
I think is worse in that regard because it's so

1399
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:03,280
again like like overstuffed, and it feels like the element

1400
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,559
that they've paid the least attention to is are these

1401
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:09,920
songs memorable? Are they impactful? Are they you know? Do

1402
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,960
they connect with the listener rather than just shoving everything

1403
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,880
into them? And I think it's worth saying that it's

1404
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:17,840
certainly it's one of the most more original amount of

1405
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,199
records this year. It's certainly among the most ambitious, and

1406
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:23,039
you always want to praise that, but yeah, maybe it's

1407
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:26,800
it's the amateur production. Maybe it's that they are experimenters

1408
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,159
more than they are great songwriters, which I will always

1409
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:32,360
say in the best bands, those are not mutually exclusive things.

1410
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:35,800
In the best bands, they're experimenters and they write great

1411
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,599
songs with those things. Either way, I'm left admiring some

1412
01:06:39,679 --> 01:06:41,880
of the swings this album takes more than actually connecting

1413
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,360
with very much of it, and my head wants to

1414
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,440
praise this album way more than my heart actually does.

1415
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,239
Speaker 2: I'm exactly in the same position with you on this

1416
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,480
one again, like I kind of like came in more

1417
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:55,159
negative and then kind of fumal listeners kind of like,

1418
01:06:55,159 --> 01:06:56,639
well that, okay, I can see where they're going with

1419
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:58,719
some of this, sure, but I do just like I

1420
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,159
mean again, like there is nothing on the level of

1421
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,039
Two Way Mirror, which again, Two Way Mirror is one

1422
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,719
of the most kind of like this is just a

1423
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,679
deaftone song, but it has a hook, It has that

1424
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,480
melody that's stuck with me for six years, and I

1425
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,320
think it's still Low's finest moment where that is the

1426
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,480
song that see him live. It is the standard moment

1427
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,320
of the set because it is that single or moment

1428
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,960
that that actually the song stands above just the kind

1429
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,480
of like vibe almost and that's what this album is missing.

1430
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:27,119
And I'm not saying, you know, they should ditch Experimentation,

1431
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:28,519
but just if they could have found a way to

1432
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:32,719
weave choruses and hooks and memorable sort of things I've

1433
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,480
been trying so hard to not make.

1434
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: Let's just say there's another band who achieved.

1435
01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: That that thing is there is and I'm like, they

1436
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,760
have hooks that have stuck in my head for so long,

1437
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,719
and I'm like, it is possible to do it. And

1438
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,679
that's again where that that experiment a great songwriter thing

1439
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:51,880
that you still mention that to not be meet excuse

1440
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,639
of that as an example, and again I want loath

1441
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,599
to carry on being experiment as being the sort of

1442
01:07:57,719 --> 01:07:59,719
these sort of mavericks they are, because I think they

1443
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,920
may the metal cores scene that again a huge by

1444
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,840
of this words, I'm just so I'm so tapped out

1445
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,320
of that metal cores scene. It is the commercial medical

1446
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,960
scene I like has lost me like and that that

1447
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,920
is one of the big differences between me and twenty

1448
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,760
twenty and me now is I'm so out of that.

1449
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:19,000
I feel like a lot of metalcore but the commercial

1450
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,079
out of it is just not for me anymore. I

1451
01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:24,680
want Loath to continue to push that scene and fuck

1452
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,239
around and ben the genres that and it's hopefully expose

1453
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:29,720
those fans to more into music and if they get

1454
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,800
into over and then they do broaden their horizons into

1455
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,479
more interesting mans. If they discover cool shoegay stuff off

1456
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,840
the back of this love record, great. I just think

1457
01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:42,239
as an album, it's ultimately not what I want to

1458
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,319
listen to, and I think that that's the simple st

1459
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,960
I think this album is worthy of praise in a

1460
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:50,600
lot of ways, but I think has huge issues that

1461
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,479
just mean I'm not gonna go back to listen to

1462
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,079
it in the way that I would the previous Loath album.

1463
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah Where Are You Sitting With It? A Stranger to

1464
01:08:59,079 --> 01:09:02,359
You by Loath And next up we are going to

1465
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,760
obviously the biggest band in this particular episode. I don't

1466
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,560
know how many people will have been awaiting this quite

1467
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,640
as feverishly as the lower one, but we have it. Nonetheless,

1468
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:15,880
it's Muse and the Wow Signal, the tenth album from

1469
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,640
one band that will always bring us together. Muse absolutely

1470
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,039
one of the biggest stadium rock acts in the world.

1471
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:26,000
I won't believer the intro beyond the point of laying

1472
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:27,840
out what Mews for anyone who might have come to

1473
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,359
us in the last couple of years since the last

1474
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,199
time we reviewed a news record what Mews particularly mean

1475
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:36,159
to us in that you and I Sam have a long,

1476
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:40,000
long relationship now of you know, following Mews together in

1477
01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:44,000
real time from different perspectives, and then every few years

1478
01:09:44,079 --> 01:09:46,840
we get our little state of the address together about it.

1479
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:51,159
They are to me one of them single most important

1480
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:53,560
bands in my musical life, Like they are the band

1481
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,399
that I was all consumingly obsessed with when I was

1482
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,039
eleven twelve years old. They're pretty much the band who

1483
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:01,279
taught me what the idea of progue was, for instance,

1484
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:07,439
and that basically clued me up that I would like bombastic, grandiose, ambitious,

1485
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,159
you know, forward thinking kinds of music. I know that

1486
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:12,520
they are muse and their long past being considered cool,

1487
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,319
but that to me was enormous and I think that

1488
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,039
makes them hall of famous. In the two thousands, they

1489
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:19,159
were one of the single best bands in the world,

1490
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,800
and I'm not interested in debating that with anyone who disagrees.

1491
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,760
They just were for that period of time, Sam, there

1492
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,079
was a point around the Resistance and the Second Law

1493
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,159
where you and I were at polar opposites on them.

1494
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,760
If we were to track ourselves on the graph, I

1495
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,159
was still up high, still loving those albums. You were

1496
01:10:38,199 --> 01:10:42,119
at a drastic low. And then over the following albums,

1497
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,920
our graph positions began to sort of invert and meet

1498
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,640
in the middle where I began to sink in my

1499
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,039
assessments of the albums, and you, I would say, primarily

1500
01:10:53,159 --> 01:10:57,000
through the sheer power of comedy and willful stupidity, began

1501
01:10:57,159 --> 01:10:59,720
to climb and warm on them. And so on. The

1502
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,319
lone last couple of albums, which have generally, I think,

1503
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:04,880
at large like they are perceived as the low's like

1504
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,560
simulation Theory and will of the People are overall the

1505
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:12,000
worst reviewed, I think, particularly one of the people of

1506
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,000
the worst reviewed MWS albums. We've sort of met in

1507
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:17,640
the middle. It's been a long journey together, but certainly

1508
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,960
in our time doing this podcast together our muse positions.

1509
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:24,039
Actually we're not so different after all, are we? No?

1510
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:26,039
Speaker 2: I think I think that's a fair assessment. I think again,

1511
01:11:26,079 --> 01:11:28,960
like I'm with you two thousands of mus I'm like

1512
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,279
I will not dare to say the two thousands of

1513
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:33,199
music albums are bad.

1514
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: I think they are.

1515
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:36,359
Speaker 2: Like I don't care so much for the debut, but

1516
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:41,159
like from the nineties anyway whatever, ARGI symmetry, great record

1517
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:44,119
for the record, but like, yeah, like it's not what

1518
01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:46,079
I'm as into, but it's a good I think it's

1519
01:11:46,079 --> 01:11:48,640
a good record. I think like like say obviosly symmetry,

1520
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,680
hysteria and backwards and relations like unbelievable records. They are

1521
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,640
as good as two thousands rock music gets.

1522
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: Like I won't dare.

1523
01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,279
Speaker 2: Say a bad word against those records. They are they

1524
01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:02,880
stand on their own. And then the resistance like began

1525
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,359
the downfall. I lost him from the album the second

1526
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,520
law killed it. I was like, this is fucking dreadful.

1527
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,279
Oh my good Drones of a rock band again, No,

1528
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,319
Drones is boring as shit and stupid. And then simulation

1529
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,800
theory just through sheer like darkness kind of like started

1530
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,119
to crack my like cold like icehold like news heart,

1531
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,119
and then the One of the People. It had the

1532
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:29,399
first MWS song that I would genuinely think, I like

1533
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,880
since like black holes in my revelations sort of muse

1534
01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:34,760
in you know, you feel like it's Halloween. I mean

1535
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,640
that song is fucking great. It's stupid, it's daft.

1536
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: I think that song is brilliant.

1537
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,279
Speaker 2: So yes, I am like generally, even if I think

1538
01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:46,920
though those museums aren't good, I can get enjoyment out

1539
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,800
of the last two music albums in the way I

1540
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,560
couldn't out of particularly the second Law and Drones.

1541
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: I would say, it's been this funny period of sort

1542
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,479
of throwing our arms together and going, you know what,

1543
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,640
at least we've got you make me feel like it's Halloween.

1544
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,640
At least we've got properand and these things that are

1545
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,960
so outwardly ludicrous that at least we could have a

1546
01:13:06,039 --> 01:13:08,399
laugh about them. I do think as a genuine News

1547
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,840
fan actually trying to find some real merit in those.

1548
01:13:11,239 --> 01:13:15,039
Both of those last two albums have moments and tracks

1549
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:17,520
here or there that have a bit of spark to them,

1550
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,239
but very clearly there is no comparing them to the

1551
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:23,359
period when News were credibly a brilliant band. And now

1552
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,199
here we are at the Wow signal And despite the

1553
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,039
stupid title, this one has been getting a different sort

1554
01:13:29,079 --> 01:13:31,960
of buzz to those last couple of News albums. Enemy

1555
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,960
called this their best album in twenty years. Kerrang have

1556
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:39,159
called it their best in a while, Louder called it

1557
01:13:39,239 --> 01:13:42,199
their best in a while. Athney Fantano gave it a

1558
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:44,119
four out of ten, but did say that makes it

1559
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:49,119
their best in a while. And there has been talk

1560
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:50,960
from several people kind of you know, in and around

1561
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,279
our community going, you know what, that New News album

1562
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,079
is actually pretty good. It's much more like the old days.

1563
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:00,359
And there is a world Sam where we come into

1564
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,920
this review. And as the historically hardcore MWS fan, that

1565
01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:08,319
is my view, and I cannot imagine a world where

1566
01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:09,960
that was your view. But there is a world where

1567
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,479
I come in and that is my view. And we

1568
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,119
have a big argument here about this album, like it's

1569
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,359
two thousand and nine and it's the Resistance all over again.

1570
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,439
That's that's not the world, but I'm in instead, I

1571
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,000
am going to be the voice of everything that is

1572
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:26,439
opposite to that particular view, where not only is this

1573
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,960
not any sort of return to form to the golden years,

1574
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:32,000
I actually think this mus album might have the least

1575
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:34,479
going for it of previous News albums.

1576
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 2: I think this could be the worst mus album, Like

1577
01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:40,520
I think this could be as bad as the second law.

1578
01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:44,239
Speaker 1: I think the second law is fucking dark side of

1579
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:45,239
the moon next to this thing.

1580
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:47,039
Speaker 2: I mean, I saw him, you.

1581
01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: Likes fair enough.

1582
01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 2: I think this album, like, I mean, firstly, it is

1583
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,199
the worst kind of mus album in that I think

1584
01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:55,680
it's boring. I think this album there are moments of

1585
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,560
kind of like bombast and all that, but for me,

1586
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,760
this is a band tasting the glory years and just

1587
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,720
sounding washed. Like this is my big one with this

1588
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,960
album is it's so clearly they're trying to recapture the

1589
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,560
peak years of Muse, But there's so much about this

1590
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,319
I think like is bad that Like it's got it's

1591
01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:19,920
all blust and bomb bass, but there's no actual drama.

1592
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,119
Like there's loads of like orchestra, and when I think

1593
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:25,079
that's like, you know, I don't like the resistance, but

1594
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:27,199
the orchestral stuff on the album, what's.

1595
01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: The the extra Genesis suite, which is fucking unbelievable. Brother

1596
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,399
the way, and if people ever dismissed that album, I

1597
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,800
go at least it has that and you can't fucking.

1598
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't know the album, but I can

1599
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:41,239
admire that as a kind of like exercise in maximalist

1600
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,359
insanity and I think that I can, I can kind

1601
01:15:44,359 --> 01:15:45,880
of go, well, you know, fair enough, there is that.

1602
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:48,079
Speaker 1: I mean, the or carera stuff on this sounds so.

1603
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,319
Speaker 2: Like just blur and just kind of like it's there,

1604
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,159
but it's not actually exciting and maximalist I think, I mean,

1605
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:57,680
I'm just gonna I'm gett all my negives out the

1606
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,159
way because like I'm just going in. Like my biggest

1607
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:04,039
is on this album is Matt Bellamy's vocals. I think

1608
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:06,640
he has It's the worst he's ever sounded. I like

1609
01:16:07,159 --> 01:16:09,199
he is trying so much this album to do this,

1610
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,000
to do the full set of thing that he's you know,

1611
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,159
always kind of been in a single thing, but like

1612
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:14,840
he can't actually hit it anymore. He sounds like he

1613
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,560
is straining through it. And maybe they're like they've tried

1614
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,239
to give him more human production sound on it, but

1615
01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:22,279
I'm like, it just sounds like he's struggling to sort

1616
01:16:22,279 --> 01:16:25,039
of sing like that anymore. I think it's all blustering melodrama,

1617
01:16:25,119 --> 01:16:28,079
but there's no actual like power to it. The songs

1618
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:31,640
don't stick around in my head that the best riffs

1619
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:36,159
are like like cryogen is if plugging baby or shit,

1620
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,800
like he is trying to tap into that kind of

1621
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,439
like classic wirdily kind of like alien music guitar if

1622
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:43,920
that like the plug Baby one is one of the

1623
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,640
greatest of it of its era, and then the Cryogen

1624
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,880
one is fucking rubbish Cryogen I can never cry again,

1625
01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:55,079
What the fuck are we doing? Like like like I

1626
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,319
think he is so bad on this album and outside

1627
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:01,800
of it, like there's no songs that are funny. The

1628
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,600
songs just like I've got a lot notes of some

1629
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,720
of the songs and other songs, I'm just like, it's there,

1630
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,800
it's the Muse song. It's it's I'm doing the thing.

1631
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:11,399
I'm sory as you'll go through it all kind of

1632
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,039
chiming and what my issues with some of these songs are.

1633
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:15,840
But I just I found this to just be the

1634
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,760
biggest chore of all the albums we're reviewing this week

1635
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,760
to actually get through. I was so bored and just

1636
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,159
kind of like struggling to find things to stay about.

1637
01:17:25,159 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: So many of these songs. Yes, Simulation Theory I actually

1638
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,800
think is half good. It has some awful bollocks on it,

1639
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,800
and it was significant to me as a Muse fan

1640
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:37,239
in terms of where my brain like finally fully divorced

1641
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:40,359
from the band in their current state, but there is

1642
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,720
a madman's streak to it that creates some brilliant material

1643
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,159
on it as well, Like if you've not heard it

1644
01:17:45,159 --> 01:17:46,399
in a long time and you can't remember the song,

1645
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,279
I mean, go back and listen to the song, break

1646
01:17:48,319 --> 01:17:51,319
it to me. What the fuck were they cooking? It's

1647
01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:54,720
delirious And then will of the people, even Patria, I think,

1648
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:56,680
but as well as a couple songs like kill or

1649
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,239
Be Killed actually being pretty straightforwardly satisfying, you know, heavy

1650
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:04,000
Muse riffers. It is where we fully decided together that

1651
01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:06,840
as long as Muse were making us laugh, we couldn't

1652
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,119
actually get mad at them because the moments of straight

1653
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:12,680
up nonsense, it's like trying to review, like trying to

1654
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,840
critique Crusty the clown. You know, it's just a level

1655
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,600
of silly that we accept it together. And Mews haven't

1656
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,640
made an album on the level of their elite tea

1657
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,239
for a long long time, but as long as they

1658
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:24,960
continue to make a smile, I did accept that the

1659
01:18:25,039 --> 01:18:27,359
wow signal of all of those publications I mentioned to

1660
01:18:27,399 --> 01:18:28,800
put out their reviews of it, the one that I

1661
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,560
actually chimed with the most believe it or not is

1662
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,800
the Pitchfork one who very neatly laid out the wow

1663
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,000
signal is defined by the meuse paradox, too sincere to

1664
01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:39,479
have fun and too obnoxious to take seriously, and that

1665
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,720
is the problem with this album. It's nowhere near either

1666
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:47,600
fun or actually good enough to exist on its own merits.

1667
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,640
And it's one of those albums where when it's described

1668
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,840
as like a return to form or the classic sound,

1669
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,479
I've seen a couple people go like, oh, this one

1670
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,399
actually sounds like mws instead of them just doing like

1671
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,239
whatever silly bollocks comes into their heads, it is primarily

1672
01:18:59,279 --> 01:19:02,439
dealing in like thelassic mew sound. For me, it's one

1673
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,000
of those that makes the gap of them doing that

1674
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:08,239
you know then and now much more transparently clear in

1675
01:19:08,319 --> 01:19:10,960
a way that's similar to whatever the fuck that last

1676
01:19:11,039 --> 01:19:13,479
Green Day album was called, where it came out and

1677
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,479
people weren't yeah, it's not Father of All Motherfuckers, But

1678
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,039
if you're going, oh, it's classic green Day again, it

1679
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:21,760
just makes it abundantly obvious how far they are away

1680
01:19:22,119 --> 01:19:24,039
from being that classic band that we knew them to be.

1681
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:28,600
Because this album is limp and unwieldy in every place

1682
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,600
where the Mews of twenty years ago were like powerful

1683
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,920
and lively and dexterous. And I can see what people

1684
01:19:35,079 --> 01:19:37,319
mean when they're saying old Muse are back, even if

1685
01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:39,880
it's unfounded, because it does as in it trades and

1686
01:19:40,039 --> 01:19:42,720
sounds that are familiar to a Muse fan's ear right.

1687
01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:46,439
The Dark Forest, the opening track, is the most absurd, pompous,

1688
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,239
queen bullshit they've done in about fifteen years, and it

1689
01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:52,000
starts the album in a similar manner to songs like

1690
01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:55,479
take About Starting Black Horle and Revelations, where you are

1691
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,960
brought in, you know, not with a big rock banger,

1692
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,680
but are really like larger than life, larger than most

1693
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,880
bands could conceivably in the studio, you know, pull off

1694
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,119
orchestral pop prog song basically, and that is the shit

1695
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:10,640
that I once loved from you is like take about

1696
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,640
the United States of Erasure Survival. It's the shit that

1697
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,279
turns off lots of people who have more delicate tastes,

1698
01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:18,560
but I would lap it up. This one. I don't

1699
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,439
think is bad, but it doesn't make me feel anything

1700
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,760
like for how expensive it sounds and how elaborately arranged

1701
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:27,439
all those strings and the choirs are and it feels

1702
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:28,920
like it should have this sort of like you know,

1703
01:20:29,319 --> 01:20:32,159
nice of Sedonia esque space gallop rhythm that they do,

1704
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:35,479
but it's so flabby and meek, and it somehow kicks

1705
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,000
the album off not with a big bang like that,

1706
01:20:37,119 --> 01:20:38,720
but more more of a whimper. And I think that

1707
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,039
it's so percussion light and driveless. It is that way,

1708
01:20:42,119 --> 01:20:44,039
but even when the actual rock beat does come in

1709
01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:47,640
towards the end, it's really stiff and graceless in the

1710
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,720
way that again, News Are twenty years ago fucking walloped?

1711
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,520
Speaker 2: You like that NICs side, don't you Carason I've Got

1712
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:54,960
My Notes' is the second half of that song where

1713
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,000
they go into kind of like the space western kind

1714
01:20:57,039 --> 01:20:59,840
of like bit and like this you're trying to recapture

1715
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,159
that Knights of Sidonia magic, and like all you're doing

1716
01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:07,840
is you're like reminding me how good Knights of Sidonia is.

1717
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,680
And I don't want to hear this limp, stiff like

1718
01:21:11,319 --> 01:21:13,000
reiteration of it coming off the back of this already

1719
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:17,000
kind of like over the top but not amusing and

1720
01:21:17,319 --> 01:21:21,399
kind of like engaging orchestral intro and it's like the

1721
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,279
topic that kind of just got me off on a

1722
01:21:23,399 --> 01:21:25,680
on a bad notework, kind of like you've kind of

1723
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,840
like done this big intro and then gone into a

1724
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,239
worst version of one of my favorite Mews songs that

1725
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:33,039
that that it was like, are you just kind of

1726
01:21:33,119 --> 01:21:35,159
like going like, look, remember the band wants where this

1727
01:21:35,239 --> 01:21:35,680
sounds like that?

1728
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:36,319
Speaker 1: You like that?

1729
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 2: And it's where I'm going to go, like, sure, you're

1730
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,159
you're you're training on sounds that are familiar, like I

1731
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:42,840
say that Green album is a really good passion where

1732
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,199
you are trading on sounds that are familiar to what

1733
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:48,439
your classic sound was, but you can't deliver on that

1734
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,239
anymore for whatever reason. And it stands out more when

1735
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:56,439
I'm hearing like this iteration of mus trying to do

1736
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,000
Knights of Sidonia or as I said on Crouch and

1737
01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:01,279
Plugging Baby, when I hear them trying to do it,

1738
01:22:01,359 --> 01:22:03,880
and it just doesn't sound anywhere near as convincing or

1739
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,800
and vigorating as it did on those albums, like I

1740
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:11,520
say in the two thousands, it does just make this

1741
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,119
album feel even worse to me.

1742
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then quite hilariously, what they immediately follow that

1743
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:21,279
big concerto shit Up with is the space dance floor song,

1744
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,960
and this is how dire things are on this album.

1745
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,279
I think night Shift Superstar is one of the best

1746
01:22:26,319 --> 01:22:28,880
couple of songs on it. It's a song that I,

1747
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,520
if you were to tell me it's utter shit, I

1748
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,880
do not feel compelled to defend or disagree with you.

1749
01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:37,520
But I quite like it and in a statement that

1750
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,960
I think equally would make as many people gag as

1751
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,960
it would attract them to it. It reminds me a

1752
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,279
little bit of Automatic era Don Broco, that very particular

1753
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,199
kind of like white Boy Funk with the big fat

1754
01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:52,359
bass line and Matt doing those hilarious falsettos where you

1755
01:22:52,399 --> 01:22:56,079
can perfectly envision in that song the stupid fucking novelty

1756
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:58,520
sunglasses he is going to wear on stage when they

1757
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,560
play that song, and the thing pointings strutting dance movies

1758
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:03,479
he's going to do, which mus are not strangers too,

1759
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,079
and they have they have a fewer songs like that

1760
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:07,239
in their catalog. I don't think this is one of

1761
01:23:07,279 --> 01:23:08,840
the best ones, but it is one of the only

1762
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,279
songs on the album where it has that little bit

1763
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:11,640
of a viv to it and that little bit of

1764
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,960
like oh, mus you devil's kind of charm that we

1765
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:15,399
were speaking about on the recent albums.

1766
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 2: My notes for Nightshift Superstar is KnightShift Superstar is the

1767
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,600
eighties song, you know, the song, that eighties song, the

1768
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:22,239
eighties song.

1769
01:23:22,359 --> 01:23:25,279
Speaker 1: Fine, yeah it is, And to be fair, it is

1770
01:23:25,399 --> 01:23:26,159
probably one.

1771
01:23:26,079 --> 01:23:29,039
Speaker 2: Of the best songs on the record because like, like

1772
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:31,399
they're having that like I think they're probably it feels

1773
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:32,640
a woman when you can look like, oh, they're having

1774
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,239
a bit of fun with it, and and that that

1775
01:23:34,359 --> 01:23:37,239
automatic comparison. It is that that modern rock take on

1776
01:23:37,359 --> 01:23:40,239
us of an eighties funk thing, you know, like what

1777
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,159
like some of like the ninety seventy five have done

1778
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:44,079
a few times. It's that but with a bit more

1779
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:46,800
kind of like silliness to it because it's mus not

1780
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,800
taking it as po fa seriously. I just I mean again,

1781
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:53,239
it's this is one of the false set of vocals

1782
01:23:53,239 --> 01:23:56,399
Matter is doing. They just sound really bad compared to

1783
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,840
what he has done in the past. You can you

1784
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,039
can hear the cracks showing, and I'm just like I

1785
01:24:03,079 --> 01:24:05,359
would have scrubbed out in production, but I don't know,

1786
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:08,880
like it's it's it's not the worst one on the record.

1787
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,720
It is one of the least offensive songs. I can

1788
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,439
kind of see it, but it also is just the song.

1789
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,600
And then they follow it with Shimmering Scars, which is

1790
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,720
the Bond theme, you know, the one the Bond.

1791
01:24:19,319 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually think that Chris, just to go back

1792
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,800
to Scond, I think Chris Wilson home is the player

1793
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,039
who gets out unscathed on this album, like he's the

1794
01:24:27,079 --> 01:24:29,439
star on it. Most of the best stuff, and even

1795
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,239
on some of the bad stuff, he is at least

1796
01:24:31,279 --> 01:24:33,119
putting a shift in. He can come out with his

1797
01:24:33,359 --> 01:24:37,359
head held high. But the songs where they go you know,

1798
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,600
classic news as in the more rocking end. You've already

1799
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,159
mentioned a couple of very prominent examples. The rock songs

1800
01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:45,760
on the last album were going much more for that,

1801
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,359
like big distorted influence from modern seven string metal kind

1802
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,600
of sound, and there is a little trace of that here,

1803
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,600
But there are much more songs on this that go

1804
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,479
for like again a two thousands mus sort of rock sound,

1805
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,720
And like you were saying, they're the ones that make

1806
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,359
it clear to me how much better they used to

1807
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,640
be at that. And there is a kind of uncannoness

1808
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,960
about hearing them reinhabit but so so meagerly, and you

1809
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,039
know you've already said it, but just to address it,

1810
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:12,800
cry a Gin that riff might as well just be

1811
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,960
plugging Baby played backwards, and I don't think cryogen apart

1812
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,039
from that little you know, the chorus line that you

1813
01:25:18,079 --> 01:25:19,960
mentioned is funny. I do quite like the little cray

1814
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,079
a Gin chorus like it's again it's one of the

1815
01:25:22,119 --> 01:25:24,359
better songs on the album, but it is weird and

1816
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:29,399
uncanny hearing them like borderline self plagiarized like that, and

1817
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,520
then in the process also remind me how much more

1818
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,520
alive and explosive plug In Baby is. Very weird bit.

1819
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:36,640
I don't know if you felt this as well as

1820
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,439
a bizarre bit. In the last minute of that song,

1821
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,600
they do a turnstyle break down like in the same

1822
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:45,880
way that obviously he was talking about this that on

1823
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,840
the previous album. Matt has been paying attention to it,

1824
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,840
listening to like, you know, newer gent metal course stuff.

1825
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,920
I wonder if he's also heard a bit of Turnstile

1826
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,359
on God, I gonna have a little cracker, because there

1827
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:56,800
was a genuine mus does Turnstile riff at the back

1828
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,600
end of that song, which is it is fine it's

1829
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,439
just weird. But the rock songs, they are delivered with

1830
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,359
a sort of stiffness that again, they used to be

1831
01:26:04,399 --> 01:26:08,199
so much more fluid with Hexagons has that like galactic

1832
01:26:08,319 --> 01:26:10,680
space rock field that again, I can see why people's

1833
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,840
brains are being tickled, going that sounds like news to me.

1834
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:17,279
My familiarity senses. They're going off and Hexicans is not

1835
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:20,000
quite Bliss in the way that Cryogen is not quite

1836
01:26:20,039 --> 01:26:22,760
plugging Baby, and sonically I'm into it well enough. It

1837
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,600
is one of the better songs. And again as those

1838
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:30,079
those fluttery space since are going along like I. Again,

1839
01:26:30,119 --> 01:26:31,960
I'm a muse fan, I'm trained to like that sound.

1840
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:34,920
But you go back and listen to Bliss and how

1841
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,600
it fucking blasts you like you are stood near the

1842
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,800
back of a jet engine. And this song is much

1843
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,479
more I don't know, sort of just well behaved about it.

1844
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,439
And then you get the Sickness in You and I,

1845
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,760
which is just more of a sort of like lump

1846
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,800
and modern rock song that doesn't really have much much

1847
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,840
going for it. It's much more like politely organized back

1848
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,920
when they were wild. And then we flip over to

1849
01:26:54,399 --> 01:26:56,600
the ballads, and this is where I think I've said

1850
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,439
this for a long time. Somewhere in the mid twenty

1851
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,520
tens Matt singing approach. I think he must have obviously

1852
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,319
got some vocal lessons or something, because if you go

1853
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,800
back to listen to Origin and Symmetry or Absolution, that's

1854
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,399
not a trained guy. Like that's a shrieking, huffing ball

1855
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,680
of electricity. And at some point he learned to sing properly,

1856
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,039
but I think he sounds worse. It's just the game,

1857
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:19,720
Like the mat of the last ten years. Is clearly

1858
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,199
a very different singer to how he used to be,

1859
01:27:22,319 --> 01:27:24,560
and he has this much more composed quality to him

1860
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:29,520
that also makes it sound just a lot more po faced.

1861
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,000
And the ballads on this they are a world away

1862
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:36,199
from the great Muse ballads like falling Away from Me

1863
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:42,000
or Invincible or what have you. Shimmering Scars is very portentous,

1864
01:27:42,359 --> 01:27:45,399
but without really being impressive in the way it needs

1865
01:27:45,399 --> 01:27:47,039
to be. To get away with that and then be

1866
01:27:47,239 --> 01:27:50,680
with you is a fucking sleeper, My goodness, absolutely urgent.

1867
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:51,199
That song.

1868
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 2: That song is like Coldplayer, imagine Dragons Coded. I mean

1869
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,760
that song is that might be the worst one on

1870
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,000
the record for me. Oh maybe since down the Botto

1871
01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:03,000
Done Them part. I think that song is awful. I think,

1872
01:28:03,039 --> 01:28:05,199
like I said, like Shami Scars like it, that to

1873
01:28:05,279 --> 01:28:08,000
me is trying to do the modern Bond theme kind

1874
01:28:08,039 --> 01:28:10,960
of the Presties bonds or themes or thing. I'm always

1875
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,880
surprised mus have never done one because it feels like

1876
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:13,439
the sort of thing that.

1877
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,359
Speaker 1: The Survival would have been the one if they missed Survival.

1878
01:28:16,399 --> 01:28:17,800
They never going to do one better than that, is

1879
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:18,159
what it is.

1880
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:20,159
Speaker 2: But like Smiy Scars feels like he's trying to do that,

1881
01:28:20,279 --> 01:28:24,880
and you know, because supremacy, I mean not yeah, I

1882
01:28:25,159 --> 01:28:27,880
agree with you, but like those those ones like Beer

1883
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,840
Review is the one that is like the absolute worst

1884
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,479
of it in terms of the ballads on this Yeah,

1885
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,279
and Space to It at the end of the record

1886
01:28:35,319 --> 01:28:36,439
actually is rubbish as well.

1887
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: Gospel matt In twenty twenty six is like, let's leave

1888
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:40,800
that shit to cold By, like you're saying, and then

1889
01:28:41,159 --> 01:28:44,880
say Space Debris quite boring. And then really bizarrely, mws

1890
01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:48,920
in over twenty five years have never had a guest

1891
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,000
feature or a duet or anything like that, or an

1892
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,800
album of theirs, and they've decided to do one, and

1893
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,319
they've gone. Who would be a particularly on the Pulse

1894
01:28:58,399 --> 01:29:02,640
twenty twenty six pick to put alongside Matt Ah, Yes,

1895
01:29:03,119 --> 01:29:09,800
Ellie Goulden with this really bizarre bass groove that sounds

1896
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,279
like other than like heavy Portugal the Man or something,

1897
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:16,920
and then even weirder vocal parts absolutely half inched from

1898
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,279
Billie Eilish's Bad Guy. It's so weird, like what is

1899
01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:21,880
any of this? Why are we doing this?

1900
01:29:22,399 --> 01:29:26,039
Speaker 2: Ellie Gordon doing that kind of breathy vogue against Matt

1901
01:29:26,079 --> 01:29:27,880
doing that. The full set of vocal is a nightmare.

1902
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,520
Like I was like, oh my god, end my torture now,

1903
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,920
like I'm raveling. It's just like, oh no, that's the one.

1904
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:38,359
It is it hushes, the one with the hush, yeah

1905
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:39,560
hush of the the duet one.

1906
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 1: It's yeah.

1907
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,399
Speaker 2: I was like, why in the twenty tens are we

1908
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,560
doing this? Like this is a duet that should have

1909
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:50,439
happened like ten years ago at the latest, Like it

1910
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:54,199
is a real and again it's it's a really unconvincing

1911
01:29:54,319 --> 01:29:56,199
rock song as it is anyway when it tries to

1912
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:58,840
get a bit more riffy, but like the duet vogue

1913
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:00,880
thing just really you put me off.

1914
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just because you mentioned Unraveling. That's my favorite

1915
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:06,439
song on the album, and it's probably the one song

1916
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,680
that I would unambiguously say as a Muse song that

1917
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:13,039
I like, and that was one of the singles that

1918
01:30:13,119 --> 01:30:15,680
when we were released, we you know, weren't overly wowed

1919
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,960
by it. But I do think as a continuation of again,

1920
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:20,560
there were those songs that won't stand down on the

1921
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,520
last album where they were doing that like Mick Gordon influenced,

1922
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,119
you know, down tune modern metal sort of sound. I

1923
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:29,199
think on that one they fleshed that out into one

1924
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:31,720
of the better songs that they have done in that lane,

1925
01:30:32,039 --> 01:30:34,880
and that great operatic lift as in the chorus I

1926
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,760
think is Matt at his best on this album. So

1927
01:30:38,199 --> 01:30:41,840
that song I think is good actually as just a

1928
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:46,119
modern Muse song rather than them like impersonating themselves in

1929
01:30:46,199 --> 01:30:48,920
the past like they are on other bits of this album.

1930
01:30:49,079 --> 01:30:51,039
I do think, obviously I have a much higher tolerance

1931
01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:52,880
for mus bullshit than you do. I think most of

1932
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,439
this album is merely okay rather than outright bad. It's

1933
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,479
very listenable for the most part, but not having you know,

1934
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,840
what the fuck are you playing at here? Cartoonish lows

1935
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:04,520
that their last two albums have had. Maybe that is

1936
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,720
something in its favor overall where I could, at least

1937
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,239
from that perspective understand where someone could say this is

1938
01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:11,399
a better album than will other people, for example. But

1939
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,119
because of that, it is the one where I find

1940
01:31:14,199 --> 01:31:18,319
myself most lamenting the loss of the Muse of Old

1941
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,399
because it's not filling in that space with something mental

1942
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,359
and hilarious for you to look at. Instead, it's just

1943
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:28,600
a fairly meek reminder that they used to be the

1944
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,319
best in the business. And you know, part of this

1945
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,600
is definitely me being a bit sad that mus aren't

1946
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,119
making me feel the way that I did when I

1947
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:37,319
was a literal child, which always has some element of

1948
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,640
unfairness on the band to be doing that. But go

1949
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,119
put origin and symmetry on, or absolution or black holes

1950
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:45,920
and revelations if you haven't a long time, and this

1951
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,760
album has reminded you, because it's easy to forget sometimes

1952
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,239
in our contemporary news poisoned world. But those albums are

1953
01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:57,159
still unbelievable and this album, while not terrible, is not

1954
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:00,720
up to them. So there you go, the wow signal Muse.

1955
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,520
But there is salvation for you, Sam, because If there's

1956
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,920
anything that you need to cheer you up after a

1957
01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:09,600
Muse album, it's the Men Singers with their eighth album,

1958
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,840
Everything I Ever Saw Sam. Obviously it's the Mensingers. A

1959
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,760
bigger question than asking if this album is good is

1960
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,479
to ask, have you ever or do you think you

1961
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,239
could ever not love a Mensinger's album I'm not crazy

1962
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:23,159
about Like the first one.

1963
01:32:23,159 --> 01:32:25,399
Speaker 2: I think they're cool, but I don't like love them.

1964
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,119
But from on the Impossible Pass onwards, I love everything,

1965
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:30,039
and I don't think I can not love everything because

1966
01:32:30,359 --> 01:32:33,439
the Mensingers just do my favorite thing in the world,

1967
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:38,079
how basically, and they're doing it again on this album,

1968
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:42,600
and guess what, I love it. I cannot be impartially

1969
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:46,039
on this one. The Men's this is just this is

1970
01:32:46,119 --> 01:32:48,720
my shit. I'm so locked in. I think there are

1971
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,279
ancient discussions have around this album, and like I understand,

1972
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,800
the last few Mensingers albums haven't been as kind of

1973
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:55,399
like feverishly received.

1974
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:56,279
Speaker 1: I still really like.

1975
01:32:56,359 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 2: Them, but I think this one it just I'm a

1976
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:01,000
sucker for it.

1977
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: I can't.

1978
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,319
Speaker 2: I can't help it. Like I'm going to just be

1979
01:33:04,399 --> 01:33:06,079
gushing about this record and it's going to be on

1980
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:08,960
you to offer the more reasonable takes and I'll kind

1981
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,039
of like and yeah along with them, I.

1982
01:33:11,079 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: Guess, yeah, But please don't be offended by some of

1983
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:15,520
the things I will say. And just for the record,

1984
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,640
I also love the Men Singers. For me, they are

1985
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:20,600
the best band to ever play this kind of music

1986
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,960
that they are playing, by which I mean this sort

1987
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:27,039
of heartland rock derived lighter strand of punk rock. To me,

1988
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,279
they're the best to ever do that, and part of

1989
01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:32,039
that is their highs are I think better than anyone

1990
01:33:32,079 --> 01:33:33,920
else is in that lane. But also now at this

1991
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,479
stage you can start to say longevity as well. Like

1992
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,079
it's nearly fifteen years since the record where they first

1993
01:33:40,119 --> 01:33:42,520
started to get real acclaim with On the Impossible Past.

1994
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,359
Next year it will be ten since what we deem

1995
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,479
to be their landmark classic album in After the Party,

1996
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,039
and here they are, you know, a decade later, and

1997
01:33:50,119 --> 01:33:52,279
they are in fact still good and they have not

1998
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:56,399
suffered any kind of cataclysmic drop off. I will say

1999
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,439
for me, while that is true, and like I will

2000
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,239
enthuse about the parts of this album that live are

2001
01:34:00,279 --> 01:34:02,199
the things that only the Mensingers can quite do. I

2002
01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:04,760
think we are quite comfortably in the sort of third

2003
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,319
phase of the Mensinger's career, which is being you could

2004
01:34:08,359 --> 01:34:11,199
kindly say over the peak of it. The twenty tens

2005
01:34:11,279 --> 01:34:13,840
run whichever is your favorite, and for the record, Hello Exile,

2006
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:15,760
I think is fucking brilliant as well. For me, there's

2007
01:34:16,399 --> 01:34:20,279
a four album run of Mensinger's being absolutely at the peak,

2008
01:34:20,279 --> 01:34:22,239
which is again from the possible pass onto that one,

2009
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,119
but that twenty tens run is definitely them at their

2010
01:34:25,159 --> 01:34:27,920
best right whichever your favorite is, and the twenty twenties,

2011
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:31,279
I think we are certifiably entering more of that punk

2012
01:34:31,359 --> 01:34:33,680
rock middle age. The last album Some of It Was

2013
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:35,720
True was the first album where I really started to

2014
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,840
feel that and we reviewed it and you were a

2015
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,079
little bristling a little bit at me when I came

2016
01:34:40,119 --> 01:34:42,800
forward with that. To be clear, I still really like

2017
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,720
that album plenty. I've never said it was poor. Hope

2018
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,000
is a Dangerous Little Thing is honestly a top tier

2019
01:34:49,039 --> 01:34:52,479
Mensinger song for me, Like for the past three years

2020
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:53,960
since that album came out, that's kind of been my

2021
01:34:54,039 --> 01:34:56,000
go to song of theirs, Like that's in the dream

2022
01:34:56,079 --> 01:34:58,520
set list, in the Mensinger setlist easily, and it's not

2023
01:34:58,560 --> 01:34:59,880
the only one on the record. Because you also have

2024
01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:02,159
There's no place in this world for Me a couple

2025
01:35:02,199 --> 01:35:04,520
of the deeper cuts as well. It's a very fine record,

2026
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,560
but I did note that it was quite a bit

2027
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:11,439
slower and lower energy and just less driven than them

2028
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,399
at their best. And I don't see much point in

2029
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,840
ignoring that that is happening to them in the way

2030
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,000
that happens to most bands like them, because if you

2031
01:35:18,039 --> 01:35:19,920
look at the generation of the bands before them, whether

2032
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:24,000
it be Right It's Against or Alkaline Trio or Against

2033
01:35:24,119 --> 01:35:26,159
Me or the drop Kick Murphy's whoever, they all have

2034
01:35:26,279 --> 01:35:28,960
that point where the records take a dip, even if

2035
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,119
we still like them overall, the Mensingers aren't really a

2036
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:34,079
band where we have a dramatic overhaul or you know,

2037
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:37,319
direction breathed into a record to record, you basically know

2038
01:35:37,399 --> 01:35:39,359
what you're getting. The main point of interest for this

2039
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,800
one from a hardcore fans point of view, is that

2040
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:44,560
they're back working with will Yip again. Is that right? Yes?

2041
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:45,079
That is that.

2042
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:47,560
Speaker 2: That is the big kind of different differential factor between

2043
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:49,479
this and the last records.

2044
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 1: For the record, again, I agree they have slowed down.

2045
01:35:52,279 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 2: I am just again I love Springsteen, like them showing

2046
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,000
down means they're getting a bit more Springsteen, I would say,

2047
01:35:58,399 --> 01:36:00,720
and that is fine by me, and that I think

2048
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,239
that's just where some people when we come up with

2049
01:36:02,279 --> 01:36:05,119
different taste, I understand, like you're going to be really

2050
01:36:05,159 --> 01:36:07,399
worried about the same things and getting me upset. I

2051
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,399
have made peace with people being less infused with the

2052
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:13,039
Mensingers at this point, I think I get it on

2053
01:36:13,119 --> 01:36:16,680
the last album. I think this album has a lot

2054
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,079
more to like. I think this like has a lot

2055
01:36:19,159 --> 01:36:21,000
more going for it than that last album does. I

2056
01:36:21,039 --> 01:36:23,119
think this album is like a step back in the

2057
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:27,199
right direction, or back in the right direction, a more

2058
01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:30,840
kind of Aners with more conviction behind it. I think

2059
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,640
that is a part of that might come down to

2060
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,199
I think the will yet production job. I think Greg

2061
01:36:36,319 --> 01:36:40,439
is standing closer to the microphone, like like there are

2062
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,479
things like that. I get a lot more of that

2063
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:46,119
from this record. I think again, like I'm not going

2064
01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:48,479
to say this is a perfect album, but I also

2065
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,239
have nothing I dislike about this album is as simple

2066
01:36:51,239 --> 01:36:54,079
as that. I am just so this is my ship.

2067
01:36:54,199 --> 01:36:57,199
This is the sound of like one of my maybe

2068
01:36:57,239 --> 01:36:59,760
my favorite band at this point, doing the thing I love.

2069
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,199
And again I've got eleven songs of it that I

2070
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:05,000
think are all pretty much like. I really like all

2071
01:37:05,079 --> 01:37:08,720
those songs. I have one like, the one criticism I'm

2072
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,079
willing to hear about this album is the first eight

2073
01:37:11,159 --> 01:37:12,760
seconds of it sounds like when we when You Were

2074
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,479
Young by the Killers. The one like, the opening riff

2075
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,399
on Chancing Counters is very similar to the riff when

2076
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:18,800
You Were Young.

2077
01:37:19,039 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't think the whole song, the whole thing is rip.

2078
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's it's literally that opening riff, like

2079
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:25,600
the rest of the song sounds nothing like When You

2080
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:27,000
Were Young by the Killers apart from the fact that

2081
01:37:27,039 --> 01:37:28,600
the Killers are ripping off springs and as well at

2082
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:29,000
that point.

2083
01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 1: But whatever.

2084
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's the one criticism I I I

2085
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:36,279
will hobbs like, if you're saying that, I think that

2086
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:38,119
is fair enough thing to point out that there is.

2087
01:37:39,399 --> 01:37:41,279
Speaker 1: Believe it or not that that that did not occur

2088
01:37:41,359 --> 01:37:44,039
to me. I actually think the ceiling on this one

2089
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,359
is lower than on the last one, in that the

2090
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:51,319
first two tracks on Some of It Was True are unbelievable.

2091
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,399
And the way I was saying that hope is a

2092
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:57,039
danger little thing is genuinely like a all timer men'sing

2093
01:37:57,079 --> 01:37:59,279
a song For me, I'm not actually getting anything to

2094
01:37:59,399 --> 01:38:01,039
quite that level here. But I think the trade off

2095
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:03,880
is what you're saying about the production is it is

2096
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,640
perhaps a more consistent listen. It does feel, you know,

2097
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:10,439
the Mensingers supplying what they reliably supply a little more

2098
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:13,359
than that record, and there isn't this large gap between

2099
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:15,840
like the lead off singles and then the album tracks.

2100
01:38:16,039 --> 01:38:19,479
I think this album is really it's really nice, Like

2101
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,800
it's a really good record. It's very cozy, it's very pleasant.

2102
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,439
There's a couple of great songs on it. There's not

2103
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,079
a lot to write home about. I think that it's

2104
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:30,800
absolutely outstanding, but the thirty nine minutes of it do

2105
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,159
you breeze by? There are a couple of less tracks

2106
01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:34,600
on this as well compared to the last album. That

2107
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,840
maybe helps. I think this is one that the absolute

2108
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:41,279
die hard Mensingers fans like yourself might take to heart.

2109
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,000
But if you are a listener who you are a

2110
01:38:43,039 --> 01:38:45,520
little bit more like I go with the Mensingers when

2111
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,199
they are really world class, I don't think you might

2112
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:50,159
be as interested on this one because it doesn't really

2113
01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:51,720
bring anything new to the table, and it is just

2114
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:55,600
I think still in that like middle career Mensinger's sort

2115
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,640
of mid ground, but it is still really good, right.

2116
01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:59,840
And the thing that gets me with this is maybe

2117
01:39:00,199 --> 01:39:04,640
this is because I don't love many of these bands anyway,

2118
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,239
but even with what I was just saying about the

2119
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:08,439
Mensingers kind of being over the hill, they still sound

2120
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,600
so much better at this than everyone else. Like if

2121
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,920
we think about the Mensingers when they came along, they

2122
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,000
were kind of picking up the baton that someone like

2123
01:39:16,039 --> 01:39:18,479
the Gaslan Anthem had put down right before it. And

2124
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:20,239
if we look at the bands to have come after

2125
01:39:20,359 --> 01:39:22,960
the Menzingers who are doing this now, I guess Spanish

2126
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,680
love songs. Even on the contemporary emo side, you've got

2127
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,159
someone like Hot Mulligan who feel like they've sort of

2128
01:39:28,199 --> 01:39:30,039
filled the space at the Mensingers where maybe filling ten

2129
01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:33,399
years ago. That's what you know, this demographic of rock fan,

2130
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,680
that's what they are into right now. And I don't

2131
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:38,760
think the Menzingers, even at this stage in their career,

2132
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,439
have been surpassed. Like they're just way better at this

2133
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:43,640
kind of songwriting than anyone else around. And that is

2134
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:46,279
evident to me from chance encounters, which I think does

2135
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:50,000
if not again, as it's not a telling lies it's

2136
01:39:50,039 --> 01:39:51,920
not in America, You're freaking me out. It's not a

2137
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,000
hope as a dangerous little thing. But it is continue

2138
01:39:54,039 --> 01:39:57,600
the tradition of great Menzinger's album openers, where it is

2139
01:39:58,199 --> 01:39:59,880
you know, it's not as purely energizing as though so,

2140
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:02,920
but it is still fucking great and it is inspiring

2141
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,720
with that Greg lift in the chorus where they may

2142
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,479
never stand a chance, you know we still got to try.

2143
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:10,800
I love that it's great, and I would say this

2144
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,359
album is very cozy and familiar to the point that

2145
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:16,520
you know you are getting those Greg song Tom song,

2146
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,760
Greg song Tom song flips in the track list in

2147
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:25,439
just such a like expected order, like Better Angels coming

2148
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:29,079
right after Chance Encounters. Tom adds that kind of blunter

2149
01:40:29,239 --> 01:40:32,319
approach without that tremble that Greg has and a punk

2150
01:40:32,399 --> 01:40:34,479
skip as his song to do, and you get that

2151
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:36,920
right as you are expecting it when Chance Encounters ends,

2152
01:40:37,359 --> 01:40:39,600
and then you know romanticism flicking back to Greg, which

2153
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,359
is really trademark Menzingers with this kind of beautiful, vibrant

2154
01:40:42,399 --> 01:40:45,520
guitar lead before the vocal hits all the way down

2155
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:49,119
to listing specific locations that he and this girl have

2156
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:51,960
been at. It's a very like, you know, heart tied,

2157
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:54,680
very besotted, you know, kind of song and paints that

2158
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,760
into the canvas outwards. It's it's very very nice.

2159
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,359
Speaker 2: I mean the thing that I think this is the

2160
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:04,239
closest been to a literally like a fifty to fifty yeah.

2161
01:41:04,199 --> 01:41:05,239
Speaker 1: Greg Tom Greg Tom.

2162
01:41:05,359 --> 01:41:07,560
Speaker 2: Like I think obviously last album it lent a lot

2163
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:09,199
more on the Greg side of things, and I think

2164
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:11,640
in recent times Greg is obviously like the sound up

2165
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,520
Menzing songs that everyone members are generally the Greg songs

2166
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,479
because I think like he is the more immediately like

2167
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,319
heart on sleeve. You're gonna get those mensingrisms that the

2168
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,039
we were sixteen months we will never be again, lyric

2169
01:41:24,119 --> 01:41:25,840
and chancing counters the way he just sort of belts

2170
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:29,399
that like it's irresistible. But I think the Tom song

2171
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,319
of this, all of them just kind of like it

2172
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:32,960
just means you get a nice percent point. You just

2173
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,640
get the strong dynamic of like these two dident vocalists

2174
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,399
who can bring different flavors. I think like Better Rangels

2175
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:41,279
has that kind of like folk punk jaunt to it.

2176
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:43,600
It's catchy and fun. It's got a nice sort of

2177
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:47,159
sing along romantism, like you know your way around my dreams,

2178
01:41:47,279 --> 01:41:49,760
I know my way around yours. It seems it's like

2179
01:41:50,359 --> 01:41:54,680
just Greg doing it. The fact he sings for too long.

2180
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:56,560
We were dancers in the dark. That was my Leo

2181
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:58,279
pointing me moment.

2182
01:41:58,399 --> 01:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I was like Springsteen song.

2183
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 2: He said it, like like, oh it is not everyways.

2184
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:06,840
Don't mean ship to us now, like come to your

2185
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:09,760
heart out with me. It's just these are just mensing

2186
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:11,880
and sort of things that I want to hear. I

2187
01:42:12,079 --> 01:42:15,319
love hearing and I'm just so happy to hear.

2188
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,199
Speaker 1: Other people's money. You get that kind of ease.

2189
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 2: Off on there, and it's like this like Dusty Springsteen

2190
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:23,119
kind of piano kicking in.

2191
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 1: Very fun little vocal hook on that one. That's one

2192
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,439
of those ones that you know when you're singing those

2193
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:30,680
fun little fucking tom vocal hooks.

2194
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:33,359
Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's got all that all over it, Like

2195
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:36,079
I love that ship gasolinea matches.

2196
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:38,600
Speaker 1: When you were saying you were about to talk about

2197
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,159
the intro of a song that sounds weird, I thought

2198
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:41,279
you were going to say that one because for the

2199
01:42:41,319 --> 01:42:44,159
first ten seconds it sounds like I don't know a

2200
01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:47,800
ghost tracks by nine, Its Nails or something before suddenly

2201
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:51,760
the Heartland Chords and the Spring The Spring. Yeah, after

2202
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:54,000
this weird little synth indra, I was like, I was

2203
01:42:54,039 --> 01:42:55,640
gonna joe it. I was like, Oh, they're doing a simPRO.

2204
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:57,399
I was like, oh no, No, they're just going the motion,

2205
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:58,800
just a Springsteen song.

2206
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, and Greg setting into that sort of story

2207
01:43:01,159 --> 01:43:03,960
tell a thing on gasoline and matches. It's so such

2208
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,279
a natural sort of thing where I'm just happy to

2209
01:43:06,399 --> 01:43:08,920
sit there and he even gets that sort of Springsteen

2210
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,159
vocal quiver going on that. I was like, Ah, you

2211
01:43:11,359 --> 01:43:14,840
are going your most Springsteen on this track, and keep

2212
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:15,560
doing it please.

2213
01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do get a bit of a sense on

2214
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,399
this one that I again, as every song comes out,

2215
01:43:21,399 --> 01:43:22,520
I listen to earlier today and I was like, you know,

2216
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,359
these are you know, I'm enjoying all of these, but

2217
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:27,520
I can't get away from the idea that the best

2218
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:29,600
versions of all of these songs have been written by

2219
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:34,119
these guys before, because better Angels and other people's money

2220
01:43:34,199 --> 01:43:36,760
and those songs were talking about. They have that coziness

2221
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,319
when they hit that formulaically swapping between the Greg songs

2222
01:43:39,319 --> 01:43:41,439
and the Tom songs. But they're not hall of fame

2223
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:43,960
Tom songs, Like they're not fucking thick as fees, you know,

2224
01:43:44,039 --> 01:43:47,560
they're just they're just not. Nor do I think Gasoline

2225
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:51,000
and Matches or Romanticism are hall of fame Greg songs

2226
01:43:51,079 --> 01:43:52,560
because I think a lot of them they don't really

2227
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:56,560
rise above themselves. Like they're very well tempered, very mild mannered,

2228
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:58,000
even as they might swear in some of them, you

2229
01:43:58,039 --> 01:44:01,600
know songs, but them this album moves with it's lacking

2230
01:44:02,279 --> 01:44:05,920
that kind of that last ride desperation, you know, that

2231
01:44:06,079 --> 01:44:08,720
characterized something like after the party, that urgency about it,

2232
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,119
and I do think maybe that had its last hurrahically

2233
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:14,119
so far on a song like America You're freaking me

2234
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:18,000
out from Hello Exile, that sort of like fizziness take

2235
01:44:18,039 --> 01:44:19,560
my hand, because this is the most important shit in

2236
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:21,960
the world type feeling that those songs have. This is

2237
01:44:22,039 --> 01:44:25,279
much more leisurely than that. It's much more unconcerned with

2238
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:28,359
doing anything above the tempo of life that it wants

2239
01:44:28,399 --> 01:44:31,199
to take it at. And every song hits with that

2240
01:44:31,359 --> 01:44:34,000
recognition of familiarity. This is the men's thing. Is it's

2241
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,479
a thing that we like, you know, and they are

2242
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,079
all good, But I don't think they're a great deal.

2243
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:41,359
More than that, it is a really unhurried again sort

2244
01:44:41,359 --> 01:44:44,039
of leisurely album. I would say a majority of the

2245
01:44:44,079 --> 01:44:47,359
guitar riffs aren't especially memorable. I do like the one.

2246
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:48,920
I do like the one and Breathe with Me that

2247
01:44:49,039 --> 01:44:50,720
go throughout the song as a sick, little kind of

2248
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:52,760
rock and roll silo in there as well. I do

2249
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:54,560
really like In terms of the album tracks, I do

2250
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:59,199
really like the Fool. I think that is Tom's best melody. Yeah, yeah,

2251
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:03,239
of course self Deceiver, and it's got a weird sort

2252
01:45:03,279 --> 01:45:05,560
of like novelty trumpet answer to the chorus, which is

2253
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,000
a fun part as well, and some like cool countermiloity

2254
01:45:08,079 --> 01:45:10,279
arrangements in the final chorus. Well that is again I

2255
01:45:10,359 --> 01:45:12,159
am taking my song from this rank. I'm like, yeah, cool,

2256
01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:13,840
that's that's a really good one. I'm having the full

2257
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:18,279
I'm having chance encounters, a couple of strange like party

2258
01:45:18,319 --> 01:45:20,439
instrumental touches that they've added into the mixt with that,

2259
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,520
and there's a kind of organ that's at the start

2260
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:26,560
of Nobody's Heroes as well. I think when you get

2261
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,680
to the kind of last stretch of the album, it's

2262
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:33,479
nice at that point to hear Greg finally, like nine

2263
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,000
or ten songs in he decides to put a little

2264
01:45:37,039 --> 01:45:39,479
bit more of a gusto into his voice and it

2265
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:42,479
lifts above that sort of standard comfort zone for a

2266
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:45,319
little while. You get that with when She Enters My Dreams,

2267
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,119
when again he starts adding that little bit of kind

2268
01:45:48,119 --> 01:45:50,600
of urgency into it a little bit. Even of that

2269
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:54,359
song is just like again pure heartland lushness. That song

2270
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:56,239
reminds me a little bit of the kind of thing

2271
01:45:56,279 --> 01:45:58,960
the band we're about to review were really good at

2272
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:01,439
previously a couple of our to go definitely one of

2273
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:03,680
the best songs songs on the record. And then the

2274
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:07,319
ending title track really like maintains that as well with

2275
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,880
a really worthy kind of final you know, grace note

2276
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:11,520
for the record.

2277
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:13,520
Speaker 2: So the ending the title track at then is the

2278
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,600
is the exception. I said that that is Almo like

2279
01:46:16,359 --> 01:46:19,319
this is up there for me with like those I

2280
01:46:19,359 --> 01:46:22,479
think that that song like it has that kind of build,

2281
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:27,840
that passion. That chorus is just like unbelievable kind of

2282
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:31,880
just like Greg going at it. It is so good,

2283
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:33,359
like you guys said, said the good and bad, the

2284
01:46:33,399 --> 01:46:36,520
half with the sad like it is again that because

2285
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:38,079
that this ALP has a kind of feeling of like

2286
01:46:38,199 --> 01:46:40,560
kind of like they you know they are, they're getting

2287
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:42,760
on there, that they're the Heartland punk unks at the moment,

2288
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:44,520
and they they've kind of seen a lot of shit. Now,

2289
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:49,199
like there's the paradeday before it is no Tom kind

2290
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:52,279
of lamenting the loss for friends and kind of like

2291
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:54,119
here's I see you again at the end of time.

2292
01:46:54,359 --> 01:46:56,000
Like so there is a feeling of the solum like

2293
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:58,600
we have you know, we've been through stuff, We've seen stuff,

2294
01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:01,640
and that kind of like that feeling is all there

2295
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:03,520
on the kind of like everything ever saw the I

2296
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:04,840
don't want to real Lilyve, I just want to remember

2297
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,720
everything I ever saw, kind of like going on these

2298
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,279
journeys and having these memories. I think that that closing

2299
01:47:10,359 --> 01:47:12,319
track is the kind of thing where that's maybe why

2300
01:47:12,359 --> 01:47:14,520
I'm so fond of this album, because the last thing

2301
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,319
I hear on it is my favorite thing on the album,

2302
01:47:16,359 --> 01:47:18,000
and it ends on just such a kind of like

2303
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:21,359
romantic note for what I love about the Mensingers, and

2304
01:47:21,399 --> 01:47:24,199
I'm just kind of like my heart is so so full.

2305
01:47:24,319 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 1: By the end of that title track, I was like

2306
01:47:26,359 --> 01:47:27,199
I can't say it.

2307
01:47:27,399 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 2: I can recognize again, I can recognize where you're, where

2308
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,720
you're coming from. Where, Like this is a consistent Mensing record,

2309
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:34,840
but it maybe doesn't have those those peaks as much.

2310
01:47:35,239 --> 01:47:37,560
But it ends on such a high note for me

2311
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:41,119
that I'm just so I'm so enamored. I'm just so happy.

2312
01:47:41,399 --> 01:47:43,119
I'll put the album on again and just be like,

2313
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,159
this is all I want to listen to right now.

2314
01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:47,119
Sam's come out in July. We're in a heat wave.

2315
01:47:47,159 --> 01:47:48,600
And then when I put it on, I don't mind.

2316
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,359
I'm just like the sun is shining. I'm listening to

2317
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:54,199
new Mensingers and I'm getting, you know, these moments that

2318
01:47:54,399 --> 01:47:55,520
just sort of fill me with joy.

2319
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm just sewing on this sort of thing.

2320
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 2: And again, because it ends on such a high note,

2321
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,520
that's the lingering memory of the record for me that

2322
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:04,359
I'm just I'm happy.

2323
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really good song. Again, that sort of

2324
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,119
desperation that I'm talking about that comes through in select

2325
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:13,479
moments now for the Mensing. Yes, that like I just

2326
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:16,000
want to hold onto everything I've ever experienced, you know,

2327
01:48:16,039 --> 01:48:18,960
I don't want to relive, I want to remember is

2328
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,520
in that and it adds it's more driving than the

2329
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:24,119
majority of the album. I think part of what's happening

2330
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:26,079
is you've reready said it is they've aged out of

2331
01:48:26,199 --> 01:48:30,760
being ragged Springsteen punks and in the process just more

2332
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:33,600
into straight up Springsteen and I can take or leave that,

2333
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:36,199
whereas you're having that pride out of your cold dead hands.

2334
01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:39,359
But I think that that dichotomy between us does maybe

2335
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,560
convey again to people listening to us what kind of

2336
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:45,079
mensing As they're getting and what they might be interested

2337
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:46,239
in it. And I do think I think it's a

2338
01:48:46,279 --> 01:48:49,319
good album. It's a good album. It's got a few

2339
01:48:49,399 --> 01:48:51,720
great songs on it. It's way ahead of their peers,

2340
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:55,359
and so if you love this music, even when it's

2341
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,359
slow and old, you will probably love of this as well.

2342
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,560
So everything I ever saw by the Mensingers, but onto

2343
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:05,640
alluding to something a little bit there the excerpts and

2344
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:07,479
their album I Think I Want to Go Home Now.

2345
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:10,279
This is another of the bands like the Menzingers, who

2346
01:49:10,319 --> 01:49:13,520
we as a podcast would generally describe us as one

2347
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:16,760
of our longtime, all time favorites when it comes to

2348
01:49:17,079 --> 01:49:20,800
like rush of blood to the head, emotionally urgent, heart

2349
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:24,279
on sleeve, melodic rock songwriting, one of the straight up

2350
01:49:24,359 --> 01:49:26,840
best bands in the world at that throughout the twenty tens,

2351
01:49:27,079 --> 01:49:30,800
their first couple of albums, particularly then going into twenty

2352
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:34,880
fourteen's There Is Only You, which is a fantastic, earnest

2353
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:38,359
alternative rock sort of power pop album, and then my favorite,

2354
01:49:38,399 --> 01:49:40,880
twenty eighteen's Hold Onto Your Heart, where they took that

2355
01:49:41,039 --> 01:49:45,399
and further embellished it with these real timeless classic rock touches,

2356
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:50,640
two absolute powerhouse albums there for a long time, criminally

2357
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,680
overlooked as a band. Every time I'm out and about

2358
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:55,640
and I hear like a Sam Fender song in a

2359
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:58,680
shop or something, All the Killers, right, I'm like, why

2360
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:00,640
the fuck couldn't this have happened? For the excerpts on

2361
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,520
Daydream or Shaky in the Water or something like that,

2362
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:05,439
Like no, you know, no shade against those artists, but

2363
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:08,159
these are songs of that same caliber. Right, we have

2364
01:50:08,319 --> 01:50:13,479
this unbelievable world class classic rock songwriting band just kicking

2365
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:16,560
about in our scenes, comparative underground for like fifteen odd years,

2366
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,720
right who for whatever reason, they've built up, you know,

2367
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:22,159
a passionate cult fan base, but they never seem to

2368
01:50:22,279 --> 01:50:25,880
be afforded any of the opportunities to break it much

2369
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,279
bigger than that, despite the fact that they are packing

2370
01:50:28,359 --> 01:50:31,960
songs that literally everybody in the world should like. Like

2371
01:50:32,199 --> 01:50:35,319
the excerpts I think are one of the biggest disproportions

2372
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:39,920
in how big their audience is versus how universal their

2373
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,640
songs actually could be. Right when you look at first Kiss,

2374
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:46,359
Feeling and Drive Me Wild and you go these should

2375
01:50:46,399 --> 01:50:49,119
be fucking standards, like what is the world doing here?

2376
01:50:49,159 --> 01:50:50,960
Where these are just songs from some tiny rock band

2377
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:55,239
from Scotland. The excerts in full Flight we have been big,

2378
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:58,600
big champions off But their last album, Learning How to

2379
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:01,279
Live and Let Go in twenty twenty three, there's not

2380
01:51:01,399 --> 01:51:02,920
too much more to be said about it being about

2381
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,319
the rush. It was a catastrophe, wasn't it. Yeah, like

2382
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:06,079
we we like.

2383
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 2: I don't want to give album much more of a

2384
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,319
kicking we we we went and it. I was like

2385
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:12,199
even slightly generous to it. But it just it like

2386
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,199
in terms of like drop off from albums that I

2387
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,640
will consider maybe my favorite album of the year, it

2388
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:20,760
came out to an album that I just don't ever

2389
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:24,039
go back to at all, Like this is like you

2390
01:51:24,359 --> 01:51:25,960
don't get bigger drop offs in that really like.

2391
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to wait five years for it from

2392
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,279
the previous record, and everything that was enjoyable about the

2393
01:51:31,359 --> 01:51:34,479
band had just been excised. And I don't even think

2394
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:37,279
it's just the production, which is certainly one major point,

2395
01:51:37,279 --> 01:51:40,560
but the songwriting was way off that. Yeah, yeah, there's

2396
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:42,520
a song on there called Eke with Sam Carter, and

2397
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:44,760
it's one of the more energetic songs on the album.

2398
01:51:45,239 --> 01:51:47,520
And then before it's actually allowed to like arrive and

2399
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:50,000
deliver the big hook or whatever, it's just done because

2400
01:51:50,039 --> 01:51:54,520
these like bite size micro songs aren't their strength at all.

2401
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:56,960
And then you've got the problem that half the track

2402
01:51:57,039 --> 01:52:00,840
list on it isn't actually those ZIP songs or those

2403
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,840
big gearish experiments like Gimme for example, that became the

2404
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,279
kind of you know, the stick to beat that album with.

2405
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:08,960
But half isn't that. It's these wet ballads that aren't

2406
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,279
complemented at all by the sonic approach of that album

2407
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:16,039
and how it sounds. Everything about it was just creatively misjudged,

2408
01:52:16,079 --> 01:52:17,439
and like I said, I don't want to labor it

2409
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,840
or add too many criticisms onto it beyond what we

2410
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,079
said at the time, because you know it's one bad album.

2411
01:52:22,399 --> 01:52:25,560
The Excerpts are a band who we historically love and even,

2412
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:27,319
as I say, kind of feel a sense of injustice

2413
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:29,239
for right so to trash all of that because one

2414
01:52:29,239 --> 01:52:31,600
album didn't work for us, it's not necessary. There's even

2415
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:34,720
a song on this album, pretty Ugly, which very directly

2416
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:38,800
responds to that album's criticisms, which I think we often

2417
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:42,560
say when you start writing songs about people commenting about

2418
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,880
your music on the Internet, you should probably take a

2419
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:48,039
step back a bit, because you're just creating a miserable

2420
01:52:48,079 --> 01:52:50,159
feedback loop at that point that no one's happy with.

2421
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:52,840
But I can at least understand it a bit with

2422
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:56,439
the Excerpts, because they're not this massive band who have

2423
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:58,800
a comfort blanket like in a data remember for instance,

2424
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:00,479
who have done that and it is the first time

2425
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:02,680
in their career really where they've had to face that.

2426
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:05,439
So I imagine as a small artist is quite alienating

2427
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:07,920
to suddenly have so much backlash when they had only

2428
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:10,199
really up to that point been love from your fan base,

2429
01:53:10,399 --> 01:53:11,920
and then be like, what the fuck am I doing

2430
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:13,399
in my life? You know? Can I move on from this?

2431
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,800
I don't like that song on this record, but I'm

2432
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:18,960
at least trying to relate to the headspace that Murray

2433
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,800
has wrote that song from. Anyway, I think I want

2434
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:23,680
to go home now. We are all hoping for us

2435
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:27,399
to be the return to form, essentially, Sam, to what extent,

2436
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:29,119
in your opinion, have they done.

2437
01:53:29,159 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 2: It depends on what you call a return to form,

2438
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,079
what is formed for the excerpts.

2439
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:36,640
Speaker 1: I think this is a film for the excerpts. Really

2440
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:40,000
is there is there is any you? And how much

2441
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:40,600
are we get into that?

2442
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if we're comparing it to that, we're not

2443
01:53:43,039 --> 01:53:45,239
getting there, like simple as that, we're not getting to

2444
01:53:45,319 --> 01:53:47,439
the heights of those records. I do think this is

2445
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:50,600
a big improvement on the last record. And I think

2446
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:53,039
this is you know, pretty comparative like three and quality

2447
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:55,199
like not far off the the like the the very

2448
01:53:55,239 --> 01:53:57,560
early Excerpts records. I think what this album is is

2449
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,760
it is more recognizably the exit. It's going back to

2450
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:04,000
just doing the kind of like twenty tens power pop

2451
01:54:04,079 --> 01:54:06,319
Brit rock stuff that they kind of made their name on.

2452
01:54:06,399 --> 01:54:08,359
And I think for the most part, I think like

2453
01:54:09,279 --> 01:54:11,279
there are still some quibbles with the production I have.

2454
01:54:11,399 --> 01:54:13,079
I don't think it's it's the best production job they've

2455
01:54:13,079 --> 01:54:15,520
gone through. I don't think it's as garish as the

2456
01:54:16,119 --> 01:54:18,800
last album, and I think that, you know, there is

2457
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:22,560
a steady stream of pop hooks across this area record

2458
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:26,119
and kind of just stirring a motive, all rock songs

2459
01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:28,239
that I kind of get and go, Yeah, I like this,

2460
01:54:28,359 --> 01:54:29,800
this is this is the excesting way I want to do.

2461
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,199
But again, I don't want to call this like a

2462
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:38,760
return to form record because the the bath what I

2463
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:41,520
know the excerpts are capable of, this doesn't cur And

2464
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:43,640
maybe again that's really harsh to do this album, because

2465
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:46,560
I do for the most part, I like this album.

2466
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:49,720
I think it's it's good, but it's not. There is

2467
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,520
only your hon chart. It's not delivered. Like again, there

2468
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:54,880
is nothing on this album that even comes close to

2469
01:54:55,039 --> 01:54:59,279
like album tracks on those records. And again, those albums

2470
01:54:59,319 --> 01:55:01,960
are the best of their kind of era and that scene.

2471
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:06,039
Speaker 1: So it's mixed feelings. I come into this album with

2472
01:55:06,119 --> 01:55:06,520
what I do.

2473
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 2: I am way more positive on this album than I

2474
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,880
was the last album, but I'm not gushing about it

2475
01:55:13,039 --> 01:55:16,239
like I wanted a kind of like a oh my god.

2476
01:55:16,279 --> 01:55:18,159
The excerpts are back. They've never been more back.

2477
01:55:18,199 --> 01:55:21,279
Speaker 1: This is it. We can all be celebrating again. Yeah,

2478
01:55:21,439 --> 01:55:23,960
I think the majority of excerpts, fans who you know

2479
01:55:24,039 --> 01:55:28,239
didn't like the last album are feeling like you on

2480
01:55:28,359 --> 01:55:32,199
this album in at least being you know, pleasantly, you know,

2481
01:55:33,039 --> 01:55:36,960
reassured that their band sounds like their band again. Right.

2482
01:55:37,039 --> 01:55:38,840
So I think that if that is to be the

2483
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:42,520
overall sort of lasting legacy of this album, how it

2484
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,560
lands to people, I'm okay with that. I suppose I'm

2485
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:48,159
personally feeling quite down on it in a way that

2486
01:55:48,279 --> 01:55:50,560
I really don't want to be like. It makes me

2487
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:53,479
unhappy where I'm sitting on this, because essentially where I'm

2488
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:55,399
sitting is I don't like anything on it, and I

2489
01:55:55,399 --> 01:55:57,359
don't want to listen to it again, which I find

2490
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,479
really disappointing, both on a musical but also a kind

2491
01:56:00,479 --> 01:56:02,760
of personal level, because if this was one of those

2492
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:05,000
albums where we could go, all right, let's just put

2493
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,520
that last album down to a failed experiment, doesn't matter,

2494
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,640
We're all friends again. That would be the easiest thing

2495
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,479
as a reviewer to do. It would make the audience

2496
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:14,239
the happiest, it'd make the band the happiest. It would

2497
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:16,560
make me the happiest because the excert seem like nice people.

2498
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:18,079
I want them to do well. I don't want to

2499
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:20,800
be digitally knocking them down or whatever it was that

2500
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:24,359
Whilst you Sleep said, But this album makes me feel nothing.

2501
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:26,840
It is better than the previous album. I will not

2502
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,479
disagree with that, but I do have to put it

2503
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:32,279
with that album in the excerpts albums I don't like

2504
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:34,800
compared to the two for that, which are the experts

2505
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,600
albums that I do like. Right, I don't think this

2506
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:39,319
is a or at least they're back on it type record,

2507
01:56:39,319 --> 01:56:41,960
because that would imply that it has qualities that I

2508
01:56:42,039 --> 01:56:43,720
love about the old ones, and for the most part

2509
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,439
it doesn't. To me. They sound a bit lost on

2510
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,600
this album, and I find that discouraging because the last

2511
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,720
album what's wrong with it is so garishly obvious. You

2512
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:55,319
can very easily go, well, you tried a big swing there,

2513
01:56:55,359 --> 01:56:57,840
it didn't work. Oh well, dust yourself off and move

2514
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:00,760
on this. At least when we're I'm saying, it sounds

2515
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:03,199
more like they've forgotten how to be that band that

2516
01:57:03,279 --> 01:57:05,760
we loved, which might be worse because it's more like

2517
01:57:06,319 --> 01:57:08,640
there is a void that isn't being filled. Rather than

2518
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:11,800
it being filled with something blatant. You know, I want

2519
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:13,960
to start positive first. For you, Sam, what are the

2520
01:57:14,039 --> 01:57:16,439
parts of this album where you can feel the excerpts,

2521
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:18,760
you know, clicking into gear again. I think, you know,

2522
01:57:19,439 --> 01:57:20,560
do it to myself as an opener.

2523
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:24,079
Speaker 2: It's it's got that kind of fizzy, upbeat power pop

2524
01:57:24,359 --> 01:57:27,359
excerpts thing that that they that they do nail on

2525
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:28,840
a lot of the tracks on something like there is

2526
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:30,640
Only You that the sat propulments and that. I think

2527
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:34,239
it just it feels a bit more natural. It has

2528
01:57:34,319 --> 01:57:36,079
a pep to it, which I think again the last

2529
01:57:36,119 --> 01:57:40,880
album didn't have. I think like there is some nice

2530
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:43,399
sort of just touches again. I don't think it's my

2531
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:45,159
from with the sound is I'm gonna just be saying

2532
01:57:45,159 --> 01:57:48,039
things like it's nice, it's good. There's nothing to like

2533
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:51,920
really get excited about, rather than like, I I'm having

2534
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:54,119
a pleasant I'm listening to this. I think, like I

2535
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:56,479
like that song. I think Sinking Feeling has you know,

2536
01:57:57,039 --> 01:57:59,880
a bit more strike to it. I I think I

2537
01:58:00,039 --> 01:58:02,279
could have to just isolate hold onto Your Heart as

2538
01:58:02,399 --> 01:58:04,359
a one off kind of like they're doing this thing

2539
01:58:04,399 --> 01:58:06,000
on this album and I don't know if we're ever

2540
01:58:06,039 --> 01:58:08,439
gonna get that again, because they threw everything at it

2541
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:11,319
and it didn't pay off, so they don't and this

2542
01:58:11,439 --> 01:58:13,439
is this This does just feel like them returning back

2543
01:58:13,479 --> 01:58:17,159
to a comfort zone of twenty tens or of power

2544
01:58:17,199 --> 01:58:19,680
pop or rock, and for the most part, I think

2545
01:58:20,359 --> 01:58:23,000
it is doing that pretty nicely. I think if you

2546
01:58:23,159 --> 01:58:26,079
go to the closer, which again we sort of mentioned

2547
01:58:26,079 --> 01:58:29,560
about the ballads on the last album, I think in

2548
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:34,119
Your Eyes is like that stirring heartfelt actually sort of

2549
01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:37,960
sincere exits ballad. Again, it's not as good as the

2550
01:58:38,039 --> 01:58:39,880
title track on There Is Only You, which is which

2551
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:42,800
it feels most closely comparable to whether again they're they

2552
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:44,279
going for that, but at least I can kind of

2553
01:58:44,319 --> 01:58:46,960
get a real emotion from it, which again I couldn't

2554
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:49,600
really get from the last album. I think just for

2555
01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:52,560
most places that like I'm just I'm having a nice

2556
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,920
time when this is on, like and again this is

2557
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:57,079
like the damning with faint praise or problem I have

2558
01:58:57,239 --> 01:59:01,800
with this album is that I think it is consistently good,

2559
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:03,840
but like if anyone was a Gogin to sort of

2560
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,720
come to something I can't reach, sort of like Mount

2561
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:10,359
the Strongest defense because I think it rarely, it rarely

2562
01:59:10,439 --> 01:59:13,720
excels where in a way that I think exces albums should. Yeah,

2563
01:59:14,279 --> 01:59:16,239
that's what that's it. I'm having with this sad where

2564
01:59:16,239 --> 01:59:18,159
I don't dislike it like I like like the Last Aime.

2565
01:59:18,319 --> 01:59:21,279
I don't think there is like bad decisions, a bad songwriting.

2566
01:59:21,439 --> 01:59:23,840
I just think it feels like a retreat to kind

2567
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:25,159
of like a safety sort of thing that the of

2568
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:27,159
a sound they've done in the past. But at the

2569
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:30,239
same time, it's not as good as that thing in

2570
01:59:30,279 --> 01:59:32,039
the past, So I guess I can see I mean

2571
01:59:32,079 --> 01:59:33,720
where it feels a bit lost as an album.

2572
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:38,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I actually have it's not so much for

2573
01:59:38,319 --> 01:59:41,159
me again, like you're saying that it's it's fine, but

2574
01:59:41,239 --> 01:59:43,359
there's nothing much to say about it. I actually have

2575
01:59:43,479 --> 01:59:46,399
do genuine abject criticisms of this record, about things about

2576
01:59:46,399 --> 01:59:47,439
it that annoy me, and I'll get on to those

2577
01:59:47,439 --> 01:59:50,720
in the moment. But they are definitely going for types

2578
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:53,039
of songs that are more in the traditional spirit and

2579
01:59:53,079 --> 01:59:55,039
wheelhouse what the excerpts is right, Like you're saying the

2580
01:59:55,079 --> 01:59:57,600
slowest songs particularly, I think you know you've got Rinse Repeat,

2581
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:01,199
which feels very trademark when it comes to the slower

2582
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:03,560
stuff or dream you in when it goes ll gim

2583
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:06,119
meet World Emo towards the back end of it are

2584
02:00:06,279 --> 02:00:08,880
really again, I think those are pleasant songs. I think

2585
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:11,479
they're perfectly nice, and I don't doubt the sincerity of

2586
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:13,399
any of these songs or what they emotionally mean to,

2587
02:00:13,560 --> 02:00:15,079
you know, those writing it. Like I was saying, even

2588
02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:17,760
a song like pretty Ugly, which falls into a type

2589
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:21,159
of song that we usually find to be quite repugnant,

2590
02:00:21,279 --> 02:00:24,399
there is a clear vulnerability about that one, in an

2591
02:00:24,399 --> 02:00:27,720
almost Pinkerton ish way of like putting a sentiment out

2592
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:30,319
there and showing people how you feel, even if they

2593
02:00:30,359 --> 02:00:32,399
were to perceive that feeling as quite off putting. Like

2594
02:00:32,399 --> 02:00:34,520
obviously the song is called pretty Ugly, right, and is

2595
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:38,039
admitting essentially that it is shaken and unhappy, and it's

2596
02:00:38,039 --> 02:00:40,199
putting it out there. My major stumbling book with this,

2597
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:42,560
and the thing that I think is keeping me totally

2598
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:45,560
at arm's length from even the songs that I should

2599
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:49,000
be okay with is it's much less obvious and garish

2600
02:00:49,039 --> 02:00:52,600
than last time, but I still think it's nonetheless suffering

2601
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:57,840
under the weight of modernity in its constructure fair even

2602
02:00:57,880 --> 02:00:59,760
on like a shallow surface level. We were talking about

2603
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:02,680
like yea, the all lowercase song title, we would all

2604
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:05,319
you know, we describe that as like a hallmark of

2605
02:01:05,479 --> 02:01:07,399
like that came out and we were like, maybe this

2606
02:01:07,479 --> 02:01:08,960
isn't going to be so Ba's the Glory Days as

2607
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:11,159
we hoped, because it's such a trope of like zeitgeisty

2608
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:14,520
twenty twenties rock music. But sonically this album is sort

2609
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,520
of coarse and unpleasant in a way that I don't

2610
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:20,359
find the excerpts to excel in. And maybe that's the point, right,

2611
02:01:20,399 --> 02:01:22,600
Maybe it's trying to be this sort of difficult, you know,

2612
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:25,640
little brother record, you know, trying to bounce back and

2613
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:27,600
find direction, and it's sonically meant to be a little

2614
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:30,399
ugly and a little rough, but it's not an abrasiveness

2615
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:33,640
that either suits them or sounds any good to begin with.

2616
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:35,680
I think a lot of the power pop sensibility because

2617
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:37,239
this record is sorry, sort of downcast a lot of

2618
02:01:37,239 --> 02:01:39,159
the time. A lot of the power pop sensibility that

2619
02:01:39,239 --> 02:01:42,359
was in their songs is gone, and there's there's no

2620
02:01:42,479 --> 02:01:44,479
fun in this at all, And again, it's not the

2621
02:01:44,600 --> 02:01:46,520
record for it. Maybe like maybe that's not where they

2622
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,479
personally are right now. It does have this it feels

2623
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:52,159
like a more emo in mindset approach of even having

2624
02:01:52,239 --> 02:01:54,520
like the things like the little voice notes, like the

2625
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:57,399
intro track or losing it as well, where they have

2626
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,479
that like you know, intimately recorded sort of snapshot of

2627
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:02,159
a moment that finds its way onto a record that

2628
02:02:02,399 --> 02:02:05,199
I was associated with that Midwest emo, except it's on

2629
02:02:05,399 --> 02:02:08,880
a like quite unpleasantly produced twenty twenties UK rock band

2630
02:02:09,119 --> 02:02:10,880
and they sound at odds with the rest of it.

2631
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:13,119
The first song, Do It to Myself is this like

2632
02:02:13,439 --> 02:02:16,520
up tempo, nervous energy kind of song that should be

2633
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:19,159
the starting gun for the record. And then the vocal

2634
02:02:19,239 --> 02:02:21,960
processing or Murray comes in on the verses and I

2635
02:02:22,039 --> 02:02:23,880
don't know why they've done that to him, Like he

2636
02:02:24,079 --> 02:02:27,520
was perfectly capable of carrying these songs for years before this,

2637
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:30,479
and he's one of those vocalists who works best when

2638
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:32,319
there is no barrier between him and the listener, so

2639
02:02:32,399 --> 02:02:34,680
he can just reach right out of that mix and

2640
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:37,000
you know, pluck into, you know, the heartstrings of the

2641
02:02:37,079 --> 02:02:39,279
listener and he comes out sounding like a fucking deep

2642
02:02:39,319 --> 02:02:42,600
fried jpeg version of himself. And it sounds gross, Like

2643
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:44,560
the first time I'm hearing his voice on the record,

2644
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:47,279
past that little intro track, my immediate reaction is just

2645
02:02:47,319 --> 02:02:50,079
to recoil and pull backwards because of how he sounds.

2646
02:02:50,159 --> 02:02:52,479
And once I'm over that again, it's not a bad song.

2647
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:54,600
It is better than anything on the last one, and

2648
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:57,319
it probably could be much better live, right, But why

2649
02:02:57,479 --> 02:03:00,600
is my first response to this being revulsion? Like why

2650
02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:02,560
does it have to be that? And it keeps going

2651
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:05,880
all the way through. Wow sounds a bit like Feeder,

2652
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:08,479
but with contemporary compression on it, and then particularly you

2653
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:12,760
get sinking feeling afterwards. There's this sort of instrumental sound

2654
02:03:13,079 --> 02:03:17,840
that marks contemporary attempts at recalling nineties old rock radio hits.

2655
02:03:18,039 --> 02:03:21,119
It's like nineties rock as remembered by TikTok, you know

2656
02:03:21,159 --> 02:03:24,479
what I mean? That really regimented way the beat hits

2657
02:03:24,760 --> 02:03:27,000
and the guitars click on and off, the vocals going

2658
02:03:27,079 --> 02:03:29,600
tinny for the ah, can'd shake the sinking feeling. It

2659
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:31,840
reminds me of a bit of machine Gun Kelly, which

2660
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:35,039
is not the comparison I want to be making. And

2661
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:37,039
as this sort of sound that I immediately in my

2662
02:03:37,079 --> 02:03:39,359
head associate with disposable, and it's not a song that

2663
02:03:39,359 --> 02:03:41,159
I'm gonna still want to be spinning in a year's time.

2664
02:03:41,399 --> 02:03:43,359
The guitar riff at the start of Bury You has

2665
02:03:43,439 --> 02:03:46,920
that same kind of tinny fiercely beaten squarely into its

2666
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:49,520
box type presence in the mix, or like I said,

2667
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:52,560
how sort of contrived to sound raw and underproduced like

2668
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:54,840
losing it is when it sounds the opposite, And it

2669
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:56,800
baffles me because when I read about what they've been

2670
02:03:56,840 --> 02:03:59,520
saying about this album and how it was then getting

2671
02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:02,239
back into with making a rock record and letting things

2672
02:04:02,319 --> 02:04:04,239
ring out and capturing the sound of them in the room,

2673
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:06,680
and that's not what the record sounds like at all.

2674
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:08,439
That's what I want you to do, Like that's what

2675
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:10,439
you're desperately crying out for. You need to go and

2676
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:13,920
find a proper analogue rock producer to go and do

2677
02:04:14,039 --> 02:04:17,319
this with. But this sounds that they are still working

2678
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:20,600
for the twenty twenty standards of you know, rock radio

2679
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,399
play still when as a band who clearly have never

2680
02:04:23,479 --> 02:04:25,560
had any real flirtations with the mainstream pain them any

2681
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:27,239
real interest, I think they should be running as far

2682
02:04:27,319 --> 02:04:29,840
away from that to provide the alternative.

2683
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:33,039
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. Again, I definitely agree. I don't

2684
02:04:33,159 --> 02:04:35,640
like the production's record. I think I can get through

2685
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:37,720
to the songs more on this one than when I could.

2686
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:40,079
Why I couldn't really do on the last one, because

2687
02:04:40,079 --> 02:04:43,520
I think there is there is strength of songwriting that

2688
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:46,079
is present here that wasn't therefore, But I do agree,

2689
02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:48,000
like the vocal processing is one of those things that

2690
02:04:48,079 --> 02:04:50,760
I've just I've just had to kind of like get

2691
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:51,800
used to, and I'm kind of just.

2692
02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:53,960
Speaker 1: Sort of like, Okay, I can kind of handle that now. Yeah,

2693
02:04:54,079 --> 02:04:55,600
I do think it doesn't have to be that way,

2694
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:58,000
Like why should I have to do that? You could

2695
02:04:58,039 --> 02:05:00,199
just not do that and make a good record that

2696
02:05:00,319 --> 02:05:02,880
sounds good, please because.

2697
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:05,159
Speaker 2: The things I don't And then in a song and capacity,

2698
02:05:05,159 --> 02:05:06,439
I think they are trying to get back to that,

2699
02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:09,239
like say that kind of like rock songwriting things they're doing,

2700
02:05:09,239 --> 02:05:11,119
and I think they are showing it, and i'd say

2701
02:05:11,319 --> 02:05:15,279
in my capacity, it's then just kind of been smothered

2702
02:05:15,279 --> 02:05:17,319
a bit where yeah, I actually I have to put

2703
02:05:17,359 --> 02:05:18,760
in a bit more work to get to these songs.

2704
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:20,880
Speaker 1: It's why I'm kind of like taking songs.

2705
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:23,079
Speaker 2: I think if produced different, I could probably be all

2706
02:05:23,159 --> 02:05:25,119
in on and I have to kind of go like,

2707
02:05:25,439 --> 02:05:28,119
I think they're fine because they're they're good songs that

2708
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:29,119
have been compromised.

2709
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we think we don't have drawn a lot.

2710
02:05:31,479 --> 02:05:33,279
Speaker 2: Of similar conclusions. I'm just kind of a bit more

2711
02:05:33,359 --> 02:05:35,239
kind of like, well, I can still kind of go

2712
02:05:35,479 --> 02:05:39,199
with the songs. I think you're like that, yeah, yeah,

2713
02:05:39,199 --> 02:05:41,119
And I think that's totally fair. And I again would

2714
02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:43,000
come up for the same points, but I just it's

2715
02:05:43,079 --> 02:05:45,319
why again, I can recognize this album is better and

2716
02:05:45,439 --> 02:05:47,000
it does do a lot while out with the excepts,

2717
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:51,640
but it's why again I can't wholeheartedly throw myself behind it,

2718
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:52,960
and I kind of have to just be a bit

2719
02:05:53,039 --> 02:05:55,479
more like, yeah, you know, I mean it's pretty good,

2720
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:58,159
Like it's it's a shame that that's what I have

2721
02:05:58,199 --> 02:06:00,279
to feel about about the excepts again and not like

2722
02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:01,880
gush about it.

2723
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:03,920
Speaker 1: I can definitely see why.

2724
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:05,479
Speaker 2: I like again, I've seen some people like, no, this

2725
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:07,439
is a return to form, Like no, it's it's it's

2726
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:09,279
better than the last album. It's a return to them.

2727
02:06:09,319 --> 02:06:11,319
What you like what it's why I come back to

2728
02:06:11,399 --> 02:06:13,079
what is formed for the excerpts, and I have had

2729
02:06:13,119 --> 02:06:15,800
to kind of like potentially just embrace her. That hole

2730
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:18,720
onto heart is is it's the bubble, It's that it

2731
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:20,439
was that time and place, and I'm glad I've got

2732
02:06:20,479 --> 02:06:23,079
to witness it. Look to this song's live, but I

2733
02:06:23,279 --> 02:06:26,000
just don't think it's I don't know they're going to

2734
02:06:26,039 --> 02:06:30,039
go back to writing those just amazing influence eighties influenced heartland.

2735
02:06:30,199 --> 02:06:33,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I said, I'm not going just make

2736
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:34,560
hold on too Heart again, even though that is my

2737
02:06:34,640 --> 02:06:37,079
favorite record of theirs, and it's where I think they

2738
02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:40,680
I think they found on that record the thing that

2739
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:44,720
makes their band sonically sing the most. But that's not

2740
02:06:45,319 --> 02:06:47,600
my exact complaint about this record. I mean, like pretty

2741
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:49,000
ugly to go back to it, it's one of the

2742
02:06:49,079 --> 02:06:51,319
worst ones in terms of, you know, they've tried to

2743
02:06:51,359 --> 02:06:53,319
match the sentiment of that song by being spiky and

2744
02:06:53,359 --> 02:06:55,399
embrace it, but it sounds ugly in a cheap way.

2745
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:57,119
It's not the worst song on the record.

2746
02:06:57,279 --> 02:06:58,880
Speaker 2: I think that is like the worst on the record,

2747
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:01,760
where again, the production really doesn't know where they're trying

2748
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:04,800
to be spiking, and like if that song had like

2749
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:09,560
a raw, like a rawer production, where that like anger

2750
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:12,960
and kind of frustration could actually lash out for me.

2751
02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, it's like artificially distorted and it's got a

2752
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:19,399
not quite the plot to bomb the Panhandle riff and

2753
02:07:19,479 --> 02:07:21,560
then a cheerleader chance towards the end. For some reason,

2754
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:23,359
I'm just like, why do you, as a band who

2755
02:07:23,479 --> 02:07:27,159
work best when you are lush and you organic insist

2756
02:07:27,279 --> 02:07:29,600
on making your albums tinny? Like, why do you make

2757
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:33,439
a singer as talented and charismatic as Murray McLeod sound

2758
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:36,319
like a robot so often? And it doesn't feel like

2759
02:07:36,319 --> 02:07:38,520
they've learned the right lessons from learning how to live

2760
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:40,439
and let go. They've learned that people didn't like Guinea

2761
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:43,039
and Murray sounding like a literal chipmunk, even though still

2762
02:07:43,079 --> 02:07:44,479
not quite enough to not do it on do it

2763
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:48,239
to myself, But they haven't had the real full reconnection

2764
02:07:48,279 --> 02:07:50,720
of identity, aside from easing off on some of the electronics.

2765
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:52,920
They've got to remember, they're classic rock band, I think,

2766
02:07:53,159 --> 02:07:57,000
and that doesn't mean old or out of touch or whatever.

2767
02:07:57,159 --> 02:07:59,640
It's just about what kind of band you are spiritually

2768
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:02,199
and what suits you. There is only you when it

2769
02:08:02,279 --> 02:08:04,000
was surrounded by all of the other brit rock bounds

2770
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:05,840
who are all making there like Radio One, you know,

2771
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:08,079
pop things. At that time, it stood out because in

2772
02:08:08,159 --> 02:08:11,079
parison it sounded timeless and like it was part of

2773
02:08:11,119 --> 02:08:14,359
a songwriting tradition that went back way further and you know,

2774
02:08:14,439 --> 02:08:17,760
hold onto your heart. They perhaps they doubled down more obviously,

2775
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:20,039
and they made that comparison more overt, but that's essentially

2776
02:08:20,119 --> 02:08:22,239
what I want them to do, right Yeah, And it's

2777
02:08:22,399 --> 02:08:25,359
so frustrating. It's because I don't want to just make

2778
02:08:25,439 --> 02:08:27,119
that particular record again and again and again. I'm not

2779
02:08:27,159 --> 02:08:29,560
asking for fucking saxophone intros on every single track, but

2780
02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:33,920
it's mental to find your calling and then run as

2781
02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:37,000
feasibly far as possible from that right afterwards. No one

2782
02:08:37,039 --> 02:08:39,439
has ever gone, what if we took Tom Petty and

2783
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:41,640
gave him to Travis Barker to produce, Because that's a

2784
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:44,039
fucking stupid idea, And that's what it feels like we've

2785
02:08:44,079 --> 02:08:46,000
been stuck at with the excerpts, even if this is

2786
02:08:46,039 --> 02:08:48,880
a much less extreme example than last time. And I

2787
02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:50,560
don't think this is a horrible record, you know, to

2788
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:52,119
bring us back down to earth a little bit more,

2789
02:08:52,279 --> 02:08:54,279
but it is more of a case of when I

2790
02:08:54,479 --> 02:08:57,960
know how brilliant this band can be hearing them not

2791
02:08:58,279 --> 02:09:00,359
capitalize on that potential. They have to be like a

2792
02:09:00,479 --> 02:09:03,720
genuinely timeless rock band who stand completely outside of any

2793
02:09:03,720 --> 02:09:05,880
trends of what's going on right now because of these

2794
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:08,079
things that they do on a record that come out

2795
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:10,600
unflattering to them and immediately a bit dated and just

2796
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:12,119
having going like why have we done this? Like you

2797
02:09:12,199 --> 02:09:14,079
don't doesn't have to be this way, you know, And

2798
02:09:14,359 --> 02:09:16,720
I would love this to be the thing that they

2799
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:19,319
get out of their system after the last thing that

2800
02:09:19,359 --> 02:09:20,920
they had to get out of their system, because a

2801
02:09:21,039 --> 02:09:24,199
step in the right direction. It is absolutely the majority

2802
02:09:24,199 --> 02:09:27,479
of this album is pretty all right, and maybe actually

2803
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:31,039
at their core, you know, what they are is more

2804
02:09:31,119 --> 02:09:32,600
for other people than it is for me. And it

2805
02:09:32,640 --> 02:09:34,640
was almost a freak occurrence of how much they leant

2806
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:37,960
into that timelessness I'm attributing them so much on those

2807
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:40,399
two records in the twenty tens. Maybe I'm learning here

2808
02:09:40,479 --> 02:09:41,920
that they're not as much that band as I thought

2809
02:09:41,960 --> 02:09:45,399
they were. But I just think there's definitely still a

2810
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:47,880
lot of work to do to really be fulfilling what

2811
02:09:47,960 --> 02:09:50,800
they're capable of rather than what's here, which is essentially

2812
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:52,560
just not as horrible as the last one.

2813
02:09:53,399 --> 02:09:55,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fat. I feel like I said,

2814
02:09:55,239 --> 02:09:58,439
we are we are similar direction. But again, I just

2815
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:00,800
is where I just can't go on, like I said,

2816
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:04,479
the return to form narrative, because it is still they're

2817
02:10:04,520 --> 02:10:07,479
handicapping themselves for reasons I don' quite understand, and it

2818
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:10,039
means that these songs that again, I having a lot

2819
02:10:10,039 --> 02:10:12,760
of these songs I could love, but I can't love

2820
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:14,600
on this record, and it just means I'm kind of

2821
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:16,560
having to just sell. And we're like, yeah, I think

2822
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:19,520
we should know. This is a pretty good excess record

2823
02:10:19,560 --> 02:10:22,000
that's still probably like again, kind of in line with

2824
02:10:22,039 --> 02:10:23,600
some of the other stuff, but would we will probably

2825
02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:26,000
have to be their second worst record just through the

2826
02:10:26,039 --> 02:10:28,399
strength of the other catlo where there's again more to

2827
02:10:28,399 --> 02:10:30,479
pick apart on this record than there is the others.

2828
02:10:31,359 --> 02:10:33,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go. But we are going to

2829
02:10:33,560 --> 02:10:37,000
move on to something a little bit harder edged, and

2830
02:10:37,119 --> 02:10:39,800
it's finally time for me to stop being a party

2831
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:43,119
pooper because we are going to Fuming Mouth and the

2832
02:10:43,319 --> 02:10:46,359
Ringing Bell. In all honesty, I have thought Fumi Mouth

2833
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:49,560
up to date have been a pretty decent band, and

2834
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:52,600
I think this is a perfect point to give this

2835
02:10:52,720 --> 02:10:55,800
band some of their flowers a bit, because they arrived

2836
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:58,439
in twenty nineteen with their debut album, The Grand Ascent,

2837
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:01,039
and at the time, at the very end of that decade,

2838
02:11:01,119 --> 02:11:02,920
it felt like a bit of a throwback or a

2839
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:06,640
carrying of the torch of some of the hardcore slash

2840
02:11:06,680 --> 02:11:09,119
death metal bands from the beginning of that decade who

2841
02:11:09,159 --> 02:11:11,920
had gone by the wayside, like Trap Them and Black

2842
02:11:11,960 --> 02:11:14,880
Breath and Mammoth Grinder like that point.

2843
02:11:15,199 --> 02:11:18,399
Speaker 2: At that time, that moment in Time Nails, they were

2844
02:11:18,439 --> 02:11:21,159
a well right full on like entombed core, you know,

2845
02:11:21,479 --> 02:11:22,920
hn two cruss death metal.

2846
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:26,560
Speaker 1: That wasn't the hardcore zeitgeist anymore by twenty nineteen the

2847
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:30,159
way it had been in twenty twelve, and while not

2848
02:11:30,399 --> 02:11:33,600
to the obscene quality of those bands that we have mentioned,

2849
02:11:34,199 --> 02:11:36,600
it was enough to remind you of them and go,

2850
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:39,000
I'm glad at least someone's doing that thing well, you know,

2851
02:11:39,199 --> 02:11:42,239
And that has mostly been my relationship with fuman Mouth,

2852
02:11:42,439 --> 02:11:44,399
but they have shown at times a little bit of

2853
02:11:44,439 --> 02:11:46,960
ambition beyond that base level. There was a point on

2854
02:11:47,039 --> 02:11:49,600
their last album, Last Day of Sun, when they started

2855
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:52,439
to integrate these more like melodic doom influences, almost in

2856
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:54,079
a similar way to like when we were speaking about

2857
02:11:54,239 --> 02:11:58,359
Gate Creeepinglack on the Black Curtain, which is something that

2858
02:11:58,439 --> 02:12:00,880
again at times does yet picked up here as anyway.

2859
02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:03,439
The Ringing Bell is the third four length album from

2860
02:12:03,479 --> 02:12:06,199
Female Mouth. It's out on Triple B Record, which is

2861
02:12:06,279 --> 02:12:11,279
absolutely like Capital HC, a hardcore label, but they like

2862
02:12:11,359 --> 02:12:13,399
a band that black breath. I think they're pretty much

2863
02:12:13,439 --> 02:12:16,640
equally positioned to appeal to like metal fans and hardcore

2864
02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:19,039
fans are like I will explain why I think this

2865
02:12:19,159 --> 02:12:22,119
album is perhaps their most noteworthy album so far in

2866
02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:24,479
a minute, but sam plain and simple, this is the

2867
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:25,840
kind of thing that it would be a shock if

2868
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:26,600
we didn't enjoy.

2869
02:12:27,439 --> 02:12:31,279
Speaker 2: I don't trust people who wouldn't be immediately won over

2870
02:12:31,439 --> 02:12:33,840
by the intro to Cheap Death the moment you hear

2871
02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:34,520
that guitar tone.

2872
02:12:34,520 --> 02:12:36,159
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, I don't trust you.

2873
02:12:36,520 --> 02:12:38,079
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying you have to love this record,

2874
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:42,239
but if that hitting play and hearing that tone doesn't

2875
02:12:42,279 --> 02:12:44,399
just make you feel all giddy and like, ah yeah,

2876
02:12:44,439 --> 02:12:47,720
I like that, I can't trust a person because I yeah,

2877
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:50,439
again I like femal Mouth. I've never been like that

2878
02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:52,880
the best of it, but their sound is just so like,

2879
02:12:53,439 --> 02:12:56,359
come on, guys, like, we can't not like this.

2880
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:59,920
Speaker 1: This is this is that good shit? Yeah, it's crust

2881
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:03,159
death metal played by hardcore folks. Right. It's recorded by

2882
02:13:03,239 --> 02:13:05,439
Kurt Blue, which is the most obvious stamp approval that

2883
02:13:05,479 --> 02:13:07,399
you need for something that sounds like krusty death metal

2884
02:13:07,439 --> 02:13:10,319
play by hardcore folks. This album also features the talents

2885
02:13:10,359 --> 02:13:13,439
of one Jay Weinberg, formerly of Slipknot, on the drums.

2886
02:13:13,439 --> 02:13:15,399
I don't know if he's actually joined the band full time,

2887
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:18,119
as in like will be touring or recording future albums

2888
02:13:18,119 --> 02:13:19,199
with them, or if this is just a one off,

2889
02:13:19,199 --> 02:13:20,840
but at the very least he has done this, and

2890
02:13:21,479 --> 02:13:24,279
from a metal historians perspective, it's great to hear him,

2891
02:13:24,279 --> 02:13:25,800
you know, coming out of Slipmark, where it did end

2892
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:28,640
kind of badly for him, and then joining up with

2893
02:13:28,720 --> 02:13:30,520
something where he can just go full extreme metal and

2894
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:32,560
fucking blitz it, you know. And obviously, yeah, he's tearing

2895
02:13:32,600 --> 02:13:34,880
up the kit on this thing. But for as big

2896
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:37,279
a name as you know, Jay Weinberg and Kurt Blue are,

2897
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:39,359
you know, they both contribute what they do to this

2898
02:13:39,439 --> 02:13:42,479
record admirably. This is an album that feels powered by

2899
02:13:42,880 --> 02:13:45,920
Mark Wheelan, who is the guitarist and frontman of this band.

2900
02:13:46,640 --> 02:13:48,279
And to fully get why, there is a little bit

2901
02:13:48,319 --> 02:13:52,199
of context. Mark Wheelan had a diagnosis of leukemia in

2902
02:13:52,279 --> 02:13:54,960
twenty twenty one. And he's a young guy, right, He's

2903
02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:56,960
in his mid thirties now, and so this was a

2904
02:13:57,000 --> 02:13:59,720
case where like someone in our scene could have, you know, well,

2905
02:13:59,720 --> 02:14:02,439
have been taken tragically early. He was able to come

2906
02:14:02,520 --> 02:14:05,880
through all of that cancer treatment, entered remission in twenty

2907
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:07,520
twenty two. And this was something that was going on

2908
02:14:07,680 --> 02:14:09,880
around the time that their last album, Last Day of Sun,

2909
02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:11,640
came out, and that was dealing with you know, there's

2910
02:14:11,640 --> 02:14:13,720
songs and they're called like kill the Disease, right, it's

2911
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:16,720
very much in there. But I guess that album, you know,

2912
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:19,560
being written and coming out around twenty two twenty three,

2913
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:21,920
it must have been sort of more in the midst

2914
02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:24,439
of it, I suppose. Whereas this album The Ringing Bell,

2915
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:27,319
as well as having a title that perfectly matches a

2916
02:14:27,399 --> 02:14:29,600
scary nighttime photo of a church as you have on

2917
02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:33,920
the cover art in cancer treatment termology, the ringing of

2918
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:37,600
the Bell refers to this little kind of ceremonial gesture

2919
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:40,119
that is done when the treatment is complete in order

2920
02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:42,920
to kind of symbolize like a re entry into regular

2921
02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:45,560
life and a new dawn, so to speak. And the

2922
02:14:45,680 --> 02:14:49,479
album from the title of track one to the title

2923
02:14:49,479 --> 02:14:53,319
of track eleven is unavoidably I think about even if

2924
02:14:53,359 --> 02:14:55,199
it's not directly about, you know, his cancer, which I

2925
02:14:55,239 --> 02:14:56,520
think I've read that he's maybe pushed back on that

2926
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:58,680
a little bit, it is undenoyably about a sort of

2927
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:03,560
re emergence out of such a period into a reclaiming

2928
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:07,760
of personal strength and essentially right, it's HM two and

2929
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:09,720
tumbed core. You know what that sounds like. It's done

2930
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:12,079
really fucking well. It kicks and rocks in all the

2931
02:15:12,159 --> 02:15:13,720
right places. We know what we're getting and we are

2932
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:15,960
enjoying it. But I also find that this album has

2933
02:15:16,039 --> 02:15:20,479
this particular animating purpose about it that really brings it

2934
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:23,399
to life. Where this album feels like a rush of

2935
02:15:23,479 --> 02:15:25,439
blood and a fuck you in the face of death

2936
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:28,600
that just makes it like kick that little bit harder.

2937
02:15:29,199 --> 02:15:29,760
I think that's it.

2938
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:32,640
Speaker 2: I think, like again, the relative like the song way

2939
02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:35,399
isn't so far removed from what I think females are doing,

2940
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:38,079
but there is an energy to this album that just

2941
02:15:38,159 --> 02:15:41,279
feels so invigorating, and again it's what makes it. It's

2942
02:15:41,279 --> 02:15:43,399
about that intro and cheap death. That tone is so good,

2943
02:15:43,960 --> 02:15:46,239
but the way they attack it, the way this album

2944
02:15:46,279 --> 02:15:48,399
just comes flying out at you and the first thing

2945
02:15:48,439 --> 02:15:50,319
you hear is him shouting live and cheat.

2946
02:15:50,199 --> 02:15:54,159
Speaker 1: Death, Like, yeah, that's so invigorating, and it sounds like

2947
02:15:54,319 --> 02:15:56,840
the physical remains of like, you know, whatever has been

2948
02:15:56,920 --> 02:16:00,279
in his path are lying vanquished below him. He's just

2949
02:16:00,439 --> 02:16:02,640
leany and going hah in its face, you know, like

2950
02:16:02,720 --> 02:16:05,239
I Have Survived, I Refuse to Die is the lyric,

2951
02:16:05,279 --> 02:16:07,000
and it's a really great example of like this kind

2952
02:16:07,039 --> 02:16:08,960
of extreme metal, which is obviously it's dark and evil

2953
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:10,920
and all that stuff, but it's empowering, right. It's a

2954
02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:16,199
massive show of resilience and strength. It's gone through this

2955
02:16:16,279 --> 02:16:18,279
kind of tribulation, but it's coming out stronger on the

2956
02:16:18,319 --> 02:16:20,520
other side. And that's what metal does, right. It makes

2957
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:24,880
you feel strong, it makes you feel invincible. And channeling that, yeah,

2958
02:16:25,319 --> 02:16:28,359
channeling that chest puffing demeanor out of this like very

2959
02:16:28,439 --> 02:16:31,840
real brush with human mortality. It's just really genuine in

2960
02:16:31,960 --> 02:16:32,440
that feeling.

2961
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what the hard thing of that,

2962
02:16:35,239 --> 02:16:37,840
like that community and that uned like that fighting back.

2963
02:16:37,879 --> 02:16:39,639
It's things that, again I love so much about hardcore.

2964
02:16:39,799 --> 02:16:42,200
Getting that in a kind of just more like crusty

2965
02:16:42,280 --> 02:16:45,079
death metals or thing. It just feels so like it

2966
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:46,879
brings out the best in all of the hardcore and

2967
02:16:46,920 --> 02:16:49,319
the metal like this Some just captures all the best

2968
02:16:49,360 --> 02:16:50,760
of things about that and just sort of throws it

2969
02:16:50,799 --> 02:16:55,760
out there in this explosive, invigorating It is a heavi.

2970
02:16:55,600 --> 02:16:57,840
Speaker 1: As balls album, but it's so uplifting.

2971
02:16:57,920 --> 02:16:59,840
Speaker 2: There is just something about it where again, it is

2972
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:03,559
dark in it, sound is heavy, is violent, but I

2973
02:17:03,680 --> 02:17:05,760
feel good that I feel good and I feel powered,

2974
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:08,680
and I feel like the record wants to pick me

2975
02:17:08,799 --> 02:17:10,680
up with it and take me on. And at the

2976
02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:12,799
same time you're then getting that bendy riff on the

2977
02:17:12,920 --> 02:17:17,040
chorus to Cheat Death, which just sounds like so unbelievably hard,

2978
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:19,920
and I think this is am though I've hit plowing it,

2979
02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:21,479
I've just been like, I this is my favorite thing

2980
02:17:21,520 --> 02:17:23,280
in the world right now, because it just is just

2981
02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:25,239
what I want to be hearing at this exact moment.

2982
02:17:25,479 --> 02:17:26,520
Speaker 1: That isn't the Mensingers.

2983
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:29,879
Speaker 2: It's really this album has, like this week been my

2984
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:32,360
sort of like alternating thing. If I don't want listen

2985
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:33,840
to the Mensingers, I want to put this on, because

2986
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:36,000
I've just pad this on and again. You know, it's

2987
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:38,879
barely over thirty minutes. It's eleven songs. The songs are

2988
02:17:39,159 --> 02:17:42,799
punchy as hell, and it's just so invigorating to listen to.

2989
02:17:43,600 --> 02:17:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the next track is called Self Exhumed, like I

2990
02:17:47,159 --> 02:17:50,000
myself have climbed out of the grave that was meant

2991
02:17:50,120 --> 02:17:50,639
for me, you know.

2992
02:17:50,719 --> 02:17:53,639
Speaker 2: And there's this middle Fearless, Like all the songs have

2993
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:56,120
that kind of thing to them, there's.

2994
02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:57,680
Speaker 1: This middle bit where it drops out for this just

2995
02:17:57,840 --> 02:18:01,079
eye popping raw of I'm Alive. It's just so fucking cool,

2996
02:18:01,159 --> 02:18:04,680
I say, uplifting through you know, extremity and violence and

2997
02:18:04,680 --> 02:18:06,200
all this stuff. You do have like a song like

2998
02:18:06,239 --> 02:18:09,639
a Blaze of Nihilism, which is obviously darker from the title.

2999
02:18:09,719 --> 02:18:12,159
It's crunching and destructive and that's tight on the death

3000
02:18:12,200 --> 02:18:14,360
metal end. On the hardcore front though. You've got the

3001
02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:18,479
opening riff of Finally, Fearless is like what HM two

3002
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:21,479
pedal hate Breed would sound like. It's just spin kick

3003
02:18:21,559 --> 02:18:24,680
central and there are these classic gang vocals in the chorus,

3004
02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:26,479
you know, to match that feel and it's all about

3005
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:29,920
you know, pushing forwards and moving onwards. The entire second

3006
02:18:29,959 --> 02:18:33,760
half of that song almost is a breakdown into the breakdown.

3007
02:18:33,879 --> 02:18:36,840
Speaker 2: It's fucking like the solo basically being the mos call

3008
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:40,319
for the breakdown as it like it's so hard and

3009
02:18:40,479 --> 02:18:43,239
like again that's when that is like more evil and

3010
02:18:43,440 --> 02:18:45,799
just kind of like chunk of it. But it like

3011
02:18:46,120 --> 02:18:48,239
it just hits the spot for me. And I mean

3012
02:18:48,280 --> 02:18:50,280
they like a feel blaze of nihilism, has that kind

3013
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:52,680
of like scraping sort of antagonism on like this thing.

3014
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:53,920
Speaker 1: But it's got that again, this.

3015
02:18:54,319 --> 02:18:57,479
Speaker 2: Big chunky groove and the spooky am shit at the

3016
02:18:57,520 --> 02:18:59,479
end that all the songs just cause hill and just

3017
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:03,319
that I want from this music. It's the constant stream

3018
02:19:03,440 --> 02:19:07,120
of the sickest sounds possible. Everything does it, and I

3019
02:19:07,159 --> 02:19:09,879
think like it's what it's meant. It has then been

3020
02:19:09,959 --> 02:19:12,559
like this is the best collection and I think ultimately

3021
02:19:12,600 --> 02:19:15,040
because of the vibe and the spirit of it that

3022
02:19:15,159 --> 02:19:16,200
fumal Mouth have come out with.

3023
02:19:16,680 --> 02:19:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's really admirable lead guitar work on

3024
02:19:19,680 --> 02:19:21,440
it as well. Like you're mentioning some of the solos

3025
02:19:21,479 --> 02:19:25,120
in a blaze of nihilism and such vivid revelations, opens

3026
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:27,719
with like a dive bomb, but then screams back up again.

3027
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:30,280
It's so fucking cool. But do you also start to

3028
02:19:30,319 --> 02:19:32,840
get some of those divergences I was talking about, like

3029
02:19:32,920 --> 02:19:36,040
into kind of the doom territory and like increased emphasis

3030
02:19:36,079 --> 02:19:38,280
on building atmosphere, which I think is one of those

3031
02:19:38,319 --> 02:19:41,600
touches that you know, it gives the music another dimension

3032
02:19:41,719 --> 02:19:43,120
beyond just being crunchy.

3033
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:45,360
Speaker 2: Hardcore all the way through, more like smack bang in

3034
02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:47,559
the middle of the record just leaps out to you.

3035
02:19:47,639 --> 02:19:49,680
Speaker 1: I think that legal guitar, That's.

3036
02:19:49,520 --> 02:19:51,920
Speaker 2: What I was like, Oh yeah, this sort of the

3037
02:19:52,479 --> 02:19:55,040
definitely hardcore bands going, We're going to throw some doom

3038
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:56,879
metal in there, and it's going to give us actual bangers,

3039
02:19:57,440 --> 02:19:59,440
Like and is that is that paradise lost kind of

3040
02:19:59,440 --> 02:20:01,520
strand of the throwing it into that sort of thing

3041
02:20:01,600 --> 02:20:03,520
gave him and Viewmale for both just kind of gone

3042
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:06,639
this actually, like is really conducive to writing bangers, Like

3043
02:20:07,239 --> 02:20:08,200
it's really cool, Like.

3044
02:20:08,639 --> 02:20:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that song, it's got that kind of anchor

3045
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:12,639
of a lead line that it always like returns the

3046
02:20:12,719 --> 02:20:14,280
song to it. And yet the type of drag as well,

3047
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:18,000
and that has that like a big booming melodic vocal

3048
02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:21,079
that's more classically like heavy netal on top of the

3049
02:20:21,159 --> 02:20:22,920
hardcore root of where they've come from. You know, it's

3050
02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:26,719
a brilliant combo. And Barbarian Scourge is the one that

3051
02:20:26,799 --> 02:20:28,680
to me really has that again a sort of gate creeper,

3052
02:20:28,680 --> 02:20:32,079
black curtain kind of grandeur of that like peace fill

3053
02:20:32,159 --> 02:20:34,799
type lead added on to a crusty death mold stomp.

3054
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:38,120
And then in the bridge it does what has to

3055
02:20:38,159 --> 02:20:41,600
be like an exact deliberate callback to in Left Hand

3056
02:20:41,719 --> 02:20:44,399
Path by Entombed. There is the mid section where it

3057
02:20:44,479 --> 02:20:48,120
interpolates the Phantasm score on the keyboard, and the same

3058
02:20:48,280 --> 02:20:50,879
thing happens here, like the exact melody line. It's like

3059
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:53,239
a nice homage to like I don't know where this

3060
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:55,440
all started, Like we're allw it's thirty five or eight

3061
02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:58,360
years later, we're still doing the Phantasm score on the

3062
02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:02,799
keyboards and it's still great. It's still sick. I mean, yeah,

3063
02:21:02,799 --> 02:21:03,680
I think that that song.

3064
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:06,159
Speaker 2: It's it's really cool that okay that you get that

3065
02:21:06,479 --> 02:21:08,760
like and you get so loo from out of that

3066
02:21:08,760 --> 02:21:10,239
as well, and all these sort of things they just

3067
02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:14,159
they're just good things to hear. And again, it's not

3068
02:21:14,719 --> 02:21:17,680
game changing. It is throwing back to literally like the

3069
02:21:17,959 --> 02:21:20,360
Bible of this sort of thing. But at the same time,

3070
02:21:20,879 --> 02:21:23,239
it's always going to feel good to hear those nods.

3071
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:25,719
And I think I've got to just like you know

3072
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:28,239
that and say, like, yeah, do that reference Left Hand

3073
02:21:28,239 --> 02:21:30,959
Path because that shit is the sickest, and hearing stuff

3074
02:21:30,959 --> 02:21:32,479
that sounds like that is still the sickest.

3075
02:21:33,239 --> 02:21:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you also have I really like the

3076
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:38,799
way on the last track, which is called respect Mortality.

3077
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:42,239
Like I said, You've had this incredible sense of like

3078
02:21:42,319 --> 02:21:45,079
you know, strength and resilience and determination all the way

3079
02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:46,920
through this record, but then it almost has like an

3080
02:21:46,959 --> 02:21:51,319
epilogue where it ends on this sort of recognition of mortality.

3081
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:55,120
And you know, even if it's not this particular time, right,

3082
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,639
there is the inevitability of the end, right, and it's

3083
02:21:57,680 --> 02:21:59,920
not yet, but it's coming. And I think there is

3084
02:22:00,200 --> 02:22:02,280
there's a cool arc to this record actually in a

3085
02:22:02,319 --> 02:22:04,680
way that like you know, gnarly death metal or hardcore

3086
02:22:04,719 --> 02:22:07,360
albums don't often have. You know, the way again, it

3087
02:22:07,479 --> 02:22:10,760
expands and grows from cheap death through to barbarian scourge

3088
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:12,079
and then like I say, it has a sort of

3089
02:22:12,120 --> 02:22:14,360
coder at the end, it's like quite well, you know,

3090
02:22:14,479 --> 02:22:17,920
just executed very good record. I still think that Feman

3091
02:22:17,959 --> 02:22:20,879
Mouth are essentially like a really good band rather than

3092
02:22:20,920 --> 02:22:23,440
necessarily like an elite one. You know, I'm not saying

3093
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:25,600
this is like a you know, Top twenty contender for

3094
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:27,159
me or anything like that, but I think just the

3095
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:32,200
really evident heart and like realness of intent that they've

3096
02:22:32,239 --> 02:22:35,000
put into this one really shines through. Like if you

3097
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:36,639
can't tell, it's been quite a poor release month for

3098
02:22:36,760 --> 02:22:38,959
me personally and my tastes, but this is one that

3099
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:42,239
I can like wholeheartedly recommend. The new Female Mouth record

3100
02:22:42,360 --> 02:22:42,600
is great.

3101
02:22:43,319 --> 02:22:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm completely with you on that. I think because

3102
02:22:47,440 --> 02:22:49,239
I just have such example as that. Maybe I'm just

3103
02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:52,399
coming out this even more fondly, but I just I

3104
02:22:52,479 --> 02:22:55,680
think if you like heavy music, it's such a like

3105
02:22:56,239 --> 02:22:58,239
I just couldn't imagine listening to this and not just

3106
02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:00,840
kind of getting swept up in the end the attack

3107
02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:03,319
and again, like it ends on the Dirge song that

3108
02:23:03,440 --> 02:23:06,239
all of these HATM two krusty hardcore records have to

3109
02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:08,639
end on nels did it? But as you say, there

3110
02:23:08,719 --> 02:23:10,840
is a there's a through line to respect more time

3111
02:23:10,840 --> 02:23:12,760
to where it's doing the dirge and kind of having

3112
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:15,280
a weighty message to kind of like match up to it.

3113
02:23:15,319 --> 02:23:16,719
I think it's a really cool end of the record.

3114
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:19,360
I think the whole record, front to back, like perfect

3115
02:23:19,399 --> 02:23:22,159
length of this sort of thing has actual songs beyond

3116
02:23:22,319 --> 02:23:25,200
just kind of like HM two guitar tone is sick.

3117
02:23:25,840 --> 02:23:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

3118
02:23:26,120 --> 02:23:29,360
Speaker 2: I think like this is like a real kind of

3119
02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:32,559
like like statement from Human Mouth that they that they

3120
02:23:32,600 --> 02:23:34,559
are kind of like seriously coming to play, like.

3121
02:23:35,159 --> 02:23:38,959
Speaker 1: Yes, let's keep the bruising going. Though No Cure it

3122
02:23:39,079 --> 02:23:42,479
is going to get dark. These guys are a hardcore

3123
02:23:42,840 --> 02:23:45,200
maybe a little sprinkling a death court as well, I

3124
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:49,440
suppose band from Alabama in the United States. Spiritually, I

3125
02:23:49,479 --> 02:23:51,000
think they do. Obviously they sit very much on the

3126
02:23:51,079 --> 02:23:54,120
hard core side of the spectrum, not least because they

3127
02:23:54,159 --> 02:23:58,520
are one of the most very like vocally confrontational straight

3128
02:23:58,559 --> 02:24:01,559
age straight edge messaging bands around at the moment. That

3129
02:24:01,719 --> 02:24:04,319
actually on their Facebook bio it reads the World's most

3130
02:24:04,399 --> 02:24:07,879
evil straight edge band. That's that's the self description of themselves.

3131
02:24:07,959 --> 02:24:09,840
I'd seen the name and the logo as well. No

3132
02:24:09,959 --> 02:24:11,840
Cure around so much I didn't realize that. I think

3133
02:24:11,879 --> 02:24:14,440
this is technically maybe dependent how you look on it.

3134
02:24:14,520 --> 02:24:18,159
Their first full length like this racks up a respectable

3135
02:24:18,239 --> 02:24:20,760
thirty two minutes long compared to their like their couple

3136
02:24:20,840 --> 02:24:23,520
of releases they put out in the past couple of

3137
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:26,639
years are like ten to twenty minute EPs, I suppose.

3138
02:24:27,360 --> 02:24:28,639
But this is the first time that we are talking

3139
02:24:28,680 --> 02:24:31,600
about them Sam No Cure in the hardcore world. Like

3140
02:24:31,639 --> 02:24:33,520
I said, I'd heard of them. They already had a

3141
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:36,079
bit of buzz before the release of this album, and

3142
02:24:36,159 --> 02:24:37,639
I think this album has only increased that.

3143
02:24:38,520 --> 02:24:41,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are like in the kind of like post

3144
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:44,799
not loose sort of world of like hardcore where that's

3145
02:24:44,879 --> 02:24:46,719
kind of something it's got a bit mainstreamed by being

3146
02:24:46,799 --> 02:24:49,440
kind of nastier. Nuku have kind of landed themselves in

3147
02:24:49,479 --> 02:24:49,959
that category.

3148
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:50,760
Speaker 1: It's been a weird one.

3149
02:24:51,479 --> 02:24:54,520
Speaker 2: I quite like Nucure because they just do bruising kind

3150
02:24:54,559 --> 02:24:57,360
of like death metal tinge like very sort of spring

3151
02:24:57,440 --> 02:24:59,319
of deafinal hardcore in the way that like we're not

3152
02:24:59,399 --> 02:25:01,680
loose with springs, but they kind of deliver on that,

3153
02:25:02,159 --> 02:25:05,360
but in a real kind of like antagonistic, straightage way.

3154
02:25:05,879 --> 02:25:09,319
And that's suddenly caught wind and got people who again

3155
02:25:09,360 --> 02:25:11,799
wouldn't go for any of these bands normally, like people

3156
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:14,399
probably never heard of Earth Crisis, like No Cure, and

3157
02:25:14,479 --> 02:25:17,000
I'm just kind of like, huh cool. And then and

3158
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:19,079
they said this, I think it's it's a it's one.

3159
02:25:19,239 --> 02:25:21,239
But like for me, like No Cure, it is just

3160
02:25:21,360 --> 02:25:25,239
angry marsh music. It like it's there's nothing here that's

3161
02:25:25,319 --> 02:25:28,680
kind of radical or I don't want to say not exciting,

3162
02:25:28,879 --> 02:25:31,840
like but like game changing. But if you want music

3163
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:34,319
that you are going to spin kick too and stomp

3164
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:36,959
on heads too and just kind of like get get

3165
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:39,879
really angry with, they kind of just serve up a

3166
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:42,920
very very nice helping of that sort of thing. And

3167
02:25:43,159 --> 02:25:46,440
this album doesn't really change up the formula much. But

3168
02:25:46,559 --> 02:25:48,719
if you're if you're down for what they're doing, I

3169
02:25:48,799 --> 02:25:51,879
think this is you know, this is a good time.

3170
02:25:52,760 --> 02:25:54,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the primary appeal I think of No

3171
02:25:54,680 --> 02:25:57,079
Cure as there is absolutely no subtlety about what their

3172
02:25:57,159 --> 02:25:59,399
vibe is and how they intend on delivering it. Like

3173
02:25:59,479 --> 02:26:02,360
this is sledge hammer music through and through. There is

3174
02:26:02,399 --> 02:26:03,760
a song on it that is less than a minute

3175
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:07,239
long called I Am Still Fucking Straight Edge, which is

3176
02:26:07,680 --> 02:26:09,120
it's almost like a line in the sand, or I

3177
02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:10,879
could see plenty of people deciding not to go with

3178
02:26:10,959 --> 02:26:14,200
them as well because of like the you know, very

3179
02:26:14,239 --> 02:26:16,520
little room for grace sort of straight edge messaging. You

3180
02:26:16,600 --> 02:26:18,399
know that people if maybe if they've had experience with

3181
02:26:18,399 --> 02:26:20,399
the adiction or whatever, they might be alienated by. But

3182
02:26:20,559 --> 02:26:23,200
that exact splitting of people, I think it's pretty much

3183
02:26:23,239 --> 02:26:26,159
what no curer about. Because if something is, as you know,

3184
02:26:26,479 --> 02:26:31,360
unrelentingly agro is what appeals to you, then this is

3185
02:26:31,399 --> 02:26:33,159
going to get your blood pumping right. And and some

3186
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:35,440
of the harder albums we reviewed on you know, previous episodes,

3187
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:37,840
when they have been a little one dimensional, they've not

3188
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:41,280
even been as like heavy or violent as needed to

3189
02:26:41,360 --> 02:26:43,559
kind of punch their way past that. This one the

3190
02:26:43,719 --> 02:26:46,680
name of the game is fucking punishment. And like, I

3191
02:26:46,719 --> 02:26:50,200
don't I don't think this album is essential listening or

3192
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:52,719
you know, spectacular, but it is for half an hour

3193
02:26:53,079 --> 02:26:56,719
just invigoratingly mean, And I can't say I didn't enjoy that.

3194
02:26:57,360 --> 02:26:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I mean, you know, when you've

3195
02:26:59,120 --> 02:27:04,040
got songs called Brain out of Displacement, like it's like slow, stompy,

3196
02:27:04,120 --> 02:27:07,440
mid tempo grooves, Like all the songs are violently like

3197
02:27:07,719 --> 02:27:09,319
the first song, even the song like the first song

3198
02:27:09,360 --> 02:27:11,479
being called when the Spasms come like that is like

3199
02:27:11,639 --> 02:27:14,879
a confrontational kind of like first song to put in

3200
02:27:14,920 --> 02:27:19,000
your album. It's just full on crush kill, destroy like music.

3201
02:27:19,440 --> 02:27:21,600
It has no like to say, no room for grace

3202
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:23,639
or I think the crazy thing is how they're crossing

3203
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:27,360
over without again putting in a single chorus or anything

3204
02:27:27,360 --> 02:27:29,600
like that. They have no interest in doing that. I mean,

3205
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:32,200
it's just that that because that sheer extremity of the

3206
02:27:32,680 --> 02:27:35,120
like the violent nature of it, that's what's kind of

3207
02:27:35,159 --> 02:27:37,239
got people in and and I think that I think

3208
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:40,479
that's cool that a band this violent and like this

3209
02:27:40,680 --> 02:27:44,440
confrontational can kind of like get a bit more traction.

3210
02:27:44,639 --> 02:27:46,399
And I think that is like really fun.

3211
02:27:47,079 --> 02:27:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will actually say that, why are you we

3212
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:51,319
right about that? There are a few points on this

3213
02:27:51,520 --> 02:27:55,879
where the vocalist is able to you know, deliver. There

3214
02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:58,559
are hooks like I'm not yeah, Like there are past

3215
02:27:58,639 --> 02:28:01,319
when they deliver a line with a little bit of

3216
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:03,399
like you know, charisma, basically like in that first track

3217
02:28:03,440 --> 02:28:07,360
when the spasm scene. Care Now, I would say we've

3218
02:28:07,399 --> 02:28:09,159
all been sold down the river, so you thank them

3219
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:11,840
with cirrhosis of the liver, like when he delivers that line,

3220
02:28:12,120 --> 02:28:14,760
it does like, you know, it hits your ear right

3221
02:28:14,799 --> 02:28:17,280
with a certain kind of zing to it, and it

3222
02:28:17,319 --> 02:28:19,079
has like a few little kind of heavy litt harmonies

3223
02:28:19,079 --> 02:28:20,559
at the beginning as well for good measure. But it's

3224
02:28:20,559 --> 02:28:23,639
it's just really obnoxious. I think the beat down riffs

3225
02:28:23,719 --> 02:28:26,920
are so sludgy and stupid on this. I was thinking

3226
02:28:26,920 --> 02:28:29,600
about like Desolated and that period of beat down bads.

3227
02:28:29,639 --> 02:28:33,600
We had a little bit like iron Clad the silly

3228
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:37,280
Walk riff going on in that is boundless in that

3229
02:28:37,399 --> 02:28:41,159
particular area. There are some great little like rallying call

3230
02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:43,879
and response bits, like at the start of Starved in Sanctuary,

3231
02:28:43,920 --> 02:28:45,879
there's that they want you sick, they want you fucked up,

3232
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:48,520
they want you feeling like you're oh of options. I

3233
02:28:48,600 --> 02:28:50,239
think that again, it carries the spirit of the am

3234
02:28:50,280 --> 02:28:52,760
pretty well in you know, trying to you know, bite

3235
02:28:52,799 --> 02:28:55,680
back against this idea of societal sickness. I am still

3236
02:28:55,760 --> 02:28:58,159
fucking straight edge, even as I am not straight edge.

3237
02:28:58,239 --> 02:29:00,399
That is a banger, right, I can see what you

3238
02:29:00,479 --> 02:29:02,920
look at that that album tracktlist and that song immediately

3239
02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:05,280
springs to mind, which is when you're reading the words

3240
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:07,239
before hearing it and then you put it on and

3241
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:11,680
it is about as again ferocious and sticky as a

3242
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:13,920
fifty second song called I Am Still Fucking straight Edge

3243
02:29:14,000 --> 02:29:15,799
needs to beat, I suppose, and like I said, without

3244
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:19,760
without having commercial elements, I think there are bits where

3245
02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:23,639
they are able to deliver, you know, in the wording

3246
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:25,840
and just how again those those those you know, those

3247
02:29:25,920 --> 02:29:28,840
vocal parts hit you a bit, you know some singers, right, I.

3248
02:29:28,879 --> 02:29:32,360
Speaker 2: Mean again, I was mentioned on bringing out displacement, shouting,

3249
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:34,959
smash of scoll over a beat down that's gonna stick

3250
02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:36,760
like that, that that that sort of thing like I'm

3251
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:38,920
showed being like a fifty second punk song where that

3252
02:29:38,959 --> 02:29:40,840
I Am Still fucking straight Edge, or of shouting look

3253
02:29:40,840 --> 02:29:43,559
at the end, they pepper those moments through the album

3254
02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:47,760
where again it like again, even it hasn't got like choruses,

3255
02:29:48,159 --> 02:29:52,840
as we said, like it does just deliver catchy, like

3256
02:29:53,120 --> 02:29:57,879
ear catching moments of pure violent confrontation and aggression.

3257
02:29:58,639 --> 02:30:00,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of some of the it's not even

3258
02:30:00,719 --> 02:30:02,360
being strictly about the straight edge stuff, but some of

3259
02:30:02,399 --> 02:30:05,120
the environmentalism as well. On a bliving crusade, there's another

3260
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:07,680
chemical spill and presses it to disaster. They shill again

3261
02:30:07,799 --> 02:30:09,040
it Yeah.

3262
02:30:08,959 --> 02:30:11,200
Speaker 2: No, that's what I think. Like there is a conviction

3263
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:13,920
to the delivery, but you know, they get the loads

3264
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:15,920
of guest spots and to add that kind of hardcore

3265
02:30:16,200 --> 02:30:18,760
gang kind of like vibe to it. I think it

3266
02:30:18,879 --> 02:30:21,479
just it hits something like I think my Wooden Flames actually,

3267
02:30:21,479 --> 02:30:23,280
you know, brings in a bit of drama. I think

3268
02:30:23,319 --> 02:30:25,079
that that's one of the songs where they do again

3269
02:30:25,600 --> 02:30:27,399
so build the scope a little bit where it's not

3270
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:31,200
just completely one note, Like I'm not like, I'm not

3271
02:30:31,280 --> 02:30:32,799
this is one of those arms I have a good honeson.

3272
02:30:32,920 --> 02:30:34,040
This is not probably going to be in my top

3273
02:30:34,079 --> 02:30:35,920
twe of the year. But at the same time, I've

3274
02:30:35,959 --> 02:30:37,799
got this on and I'm just like, yeah, I'm moshing,

3275
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:40,239
Like I think it just it just it hits the

3276
02:30:40,280 --> 02:30:42,280
spot in the way you want it to. I think

3277
02:30:42,280 --> 02:30:45,600
there's like cool evil definitely riffs on there, the sort

3278
02:30:45,639 --> 02:30:48,159
of panic cord bits that again I'm like, keep serving

3279
02:30:48,200 --> 02:30:50,399
that up and I'll always go for it. It's not

3280
02:30:50,879 --> 02:30:53,559
as sort of derivative and one note. And again it's

3281
02:30:53,639 --> 02:30:56,879
not They've not compromised their sound or their identity to

3282
02:30:56,959 --> 02:30:59,079
go along with their new found kind of popularity. That

3283
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:02,719
they are ading true to what they are and I'm

3284
02:31:02,719 --> 02:31:03,399
always down for that.

3285
02:31:04,159 --> 02:31:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I will just add as well to maybe

3286
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:07,799
sort of buck against a little bit of the idea

3287
02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:09,159
that this is just a really sort of, you know,

3288
02:31:09,239 --> 02:31:12,239
stupid beat down type album. I think these guys can play,

3289
02:31:12,559 --> 02:31:14,159
and I think I can tell that because there is

3290
02:31:14,559 --> 02:31:19,520
a little more flare in the guitars riffs like some

3291
02:31:19,559 --> 02:31:21,799
of these bands who there some of these bands who

3292
02:31:21,799 --> 02:31:24,040
are like just more basic and lumpen. You mentioned My

3293
02:31:24,120 --> 02:31:26,079
World in Flames or Everything I Love as Dead or

3294
02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:27,799
Dying has that as well. They're sort of like genuine

3295
02:31:27,920 --> 02:31:31,799
cool kind of metalcore riffage going on. They're convulsing in

3296
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:34,479
the Dark has the most big, bolt thorough riffs, and

3297
02:31:34,559 --> 02:31:37,639
I like those Slowly Turning Blue has these kind of

3298
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:40,479
wonky squeal riffs that do feel like ill and rotten,

3299
02:31:40,639 --> 02:31:42,520
like the subject matter. And then to go back to

3300
02:31:42,600 --> 02:31:45,040
you mentioned the guest verses as well. Again, it is

3301
02:31:45,079 --> 02:31:47,719
primarily hardcore, but they tag in these little bits of

3302
02:31:47,760 --> 02:31:51,239
death metal both in the riffing or Purity Spiral has

3303
02:31:51,280 --> 02:31:53,879
like Vincent from the Acasia Strain come in just you know,

3304
02:31:53,959 --> 02:31:56,000
bringing the demon on what is basically a two step

3305
02:31:56,079 --> 02:31:59,319
hardkore song, Brain Matted Displacement has that call and response

3306
02:31:59,719 --> 02:32:02,920
a all thing going on on a song that is

3307
02:32:03,159 --> 02:32:05,840
seemingly just about braining people over the pavement, and there

3308
02:32:05,959 --> 02:32:09,040
is I was also as a full hip hop guest

3309
02:32:09,159 --> 02:32:12,600
verse in there that it reminds me of when Iced

3310
02:32:12,639 --> 02:32:14,879
Tea turns up on the six feet Under song One

3311
02:32:14,920 --> 02:32:17,760
Bullet Left, which is a real compliment if you know song.

3312
02:32:18,399 --> 02:32:21,319
Speaker 2: The vocalist he's in the hardcore band Bayway, like who

3313
02:32:21,360 --> 02:32:23,399
are on those sort like like grid iroon kind of

3314
02:32:23,440 --> 02:32:25,639
hip hop fromview Tarkle band. But he's doing the full

3315
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:27,680
on wraps of thing on this and it is again

3316
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:30,280
it adds a load of character to that song. I mean,

3317
02:32:30,319 --> 02:32:32,319
that's one of the really fun moments on the record.

3318
02:32:32,959 --> 02:32:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you like the really you know,

3319
02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:37,559
brutal end of current hardcore, you can do a lot

3320
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:40,760
worse than giving this ago. So No Cure is going

3321
02:32:40,840 --> 02:32:42,920
to get dark. I've even said I've seen a few

3322
02:32:42,920 --> 02:32:45,879
people on Twitter saying like this album maybe you know,

3323
02:32:45,959 --> 02:32:48,079
younger people being like this album's encouraged me to try

3324
02:32:48,120 --> 02:32:49,719
giving straight edge ago and you know, you can never

3325
02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:51,280
be sure how many of those people are going to stick.

3326
02:32:51,360 --> 02:32:53,479
But if an album is already having that impact on people,

3327
02:32:53,559 --> 02:32:56,680
then you can only respect it. So they yeah, no cure. Finally,

3328
02:32:57,000 --> 02:32:59,639
we are going to pivot over into full death metal

3329
02:32:59,799 --> 02:33:01,959
for our underground pick of the month. It's a band

3330
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:04,600
called a Rise from Worms and the album title is

3331
02:33:04,600 --> 02:33:08,280
a fucking mouthful. It's a bleeding tree hanging self destruction

3332
02:33:08,559 --> 02:33:11,120
and it doesn't really get more sensible from there. This

3333
02:33:11,639 --> 02:33:15,159
is a debut album, but from a supergroup of sorts.

3334
02:33:15,719 --> 02:33:18,319
On the drums, a serial supergrouper but one of the

3335
02:33:18,360 --> 02:33:21,000
most legendary drummers of all time, Flow moon Air from

3336
02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:26,120
Cryptopsy on vocals is Morbid Angels vocalist Steve Tucker, the

3337
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:29,799
voice of such monstrous records as Formulas Fatal to the

3338
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:34,360
Flesh and Gateways to Annihilation. Pretty death metal, fair right.

3339
02:33:34,719 --> 02:33:36,159
But then we start to veer off a little bit

3340
02:33:36,200 --> 02:33:39,440
because the guitarist, and I believe the primary brain behind

3341
02:33:39,479 --> 02:33:42,360
this project, like it's his band, is a sort of

3342
02:33:42,719 --> 02:33:44,440
a guy who's played in death metal but also has

3343
02:33:44,479 --> 02:33:45,959
a lot of training in the world of jazz and

3344
02:33:45,959 --> 02:33:50,639
classical and stuff, a guitarist named Sunny Lombardozzie who's also

3345
02:33:50,680 --> 02:33:55,079
played an incantation, and then oh, what's this Derek Sherinian

3346
02:33:55,479 --> 02:34:00,319
keyboard player formerly of Dream Theater and Ingram Mounsteam and

3347
02:34:00,639 --> 02:34:04,319
Joe Bonamassa. What Clearly this is not the brutal death

3348
02:34:04,399 --> 02:34:09,680
metal which it first may seem. You scamp, you rascal

3349
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:11,079
care and making me listen to this.

3350
02:34:11,479 --> 02:34:15,920
Speaker 2: Uh you got me with a people tump. You had me,

3351
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:18,200
you know, in on the avn't gar death metal stuff

3352
02:34:18,200 --> 02:34:21,319
and you thought I'm gonna throw this at them, and like,

3353
02:34:22,079 --> 02:34:26,079
you know what, I I don't like this record at all,

3354
02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:32,040
but I also I kind of admire the like Shier

3355
02:34:32,600 --> 02:34:33,520
zero five.

3356
02:34:33,879 --> 02:34:35,600
Speaker 1: I find this album is so funny.

3357
02:34:37,159 --> 02:34:40,840
Speaker 2: That's the things I did. I laughed frequently on this album,

3358
02:34:41,399 --> 02:34:44,120
like some of the moments and the thing that there

3359
02:34:44,239 --> 02:34:46,120
there's there is actually thanks if I do like this album,

3360
02:34:46,159 --> 02:34:49,959
but at it's called this is like, we don't care

3361
02:34:49,959 --> 02:34:52,239
about songs. We're here to wank off our guitar and

3362
02:34:52,559 --> 02:34:55,879
keyboards and just play as technically as possible and like

3363
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:58,719
and if you are down with that, then I think

3364
02:34:58,760 --> 02:35:01,040
you will have a all with this record, if you

3365
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:03,159
just want to hear like some of the most insane

3366
02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:08,840
virtuoso guitar playing keyboard solos and then occasionally a little

3367
02:35:08,840 --> 02:35:11,680
bit of brutal death Moel tucked in there, like it

3368
02:35:11,840 --> 02:35:13,639
is there, but I have to throw I'm going to

3369
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:14,079
deferred to you.

3370
02:35:14,079 --> 02:35:16,319
Speaker 1: All of this one. I just like, I was just

3371
02:35:16,399 --> 02:35:18,680
kind of like, what do you expect me to say

3372
02:35:18,719 --> 02:35:19,559
about these songs?

3373
02:35:19,840 --> 02:35:21,440
Speaker 2: There? You know a little bit, so I like, there's

3374
02:35:21,440 --> 02:35:24,840
like the odd vocal I'm like, oh, that was pretty hard, actually, babe.

3375
02:35:24,920 --> 02:35:28,760
I was like, oh, yeah, he's tossing off his guitar again.

3376
02:35:28,799 --> 02:35:34,239
Speaker 1: Like, go have fun. It's achieved his purpose in the

3377
02:35:34,799 --> 02:35:36,879
You've called me a scamp for putting this, making listen

3378
02:35:36,920 --> 02:35:38,479
to this, and that was my that was my aim

3379
02:35:38,559 --> 02:35:38,840
for sure.

3380
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:41,559
Speaker 2: I knew it was I knew it was hit playing.

3381
02:35:42,840 --> 02:35:46,159
Speaker 1: You Rascal, you pairings. I can just imagine you being like, Okay,

3382
02:35:46,319 --> 02:35:48,440
arise from worms. The color looks pretty met. It's got

3383
02:35:48,440 --> 02:35:50,280
a more of an angel vocalist. I know. I'm probably

3384
02:35:50,360 --> 02:35:53,399
like yeah, and then and then hearing it be like

3385
02:35:54,079 --> 02:35:56,319
and again that that I wanted to achieve that impulse

3386
02:35:56,360 --> 02:35:58,159
when I say I find this album really funny. That's

3387
02:35:58,280 --> 02:36:00,799
not me saying that it's bad or like a laughing stock.

3388
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:04,959
It's just it is wickedly mischievous. I think yeah, because

3389
02:36:05,639 --> 02:36:07,959
it came my way, because this is on Church Road Records,

3390
02:36:08,280 --> 02:36:11,879
and Sammy Irwin was buzzing about having Steve Tucker and

3391
02:36:11,959 --> 02:36:14,399
you know, Flow from Cryptopsy on his label, as you would,

3392
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:17,280
but it was like, this is a weird progressive death

3393
02:36:17,319 --> 02:36:21,639
metal album and it's it's maddening, right. It is pretty heavy,

3394
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:25,600
like if you do like the tight, smothering approach of

3395
02:36:25,719 --> 02:36:28,360
like Steve Tucker's era more of an Angel albums, there

3396
02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:31,239
is certainly much to like about the nasty riffing on

3397
02:36:31,319 --> 02:36:34,280
a song like Forgotten Keys, Forgotten Kings, even that starts it.

3398
02:36:35,000 --> 02:36:38,479
Steve is sounding demonic and he's lurking in the belly

3399
02:36:38,559 --> 02:36:41,000
of this mix as he does. But you get those

3400
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:42,879
you know, those snaking sort of you know, az a

3401
02:36:42,920 --> 02:36:48,040
goth style riffs. You also then get mad Shred that

3402
02:36:48,280 --> 02:36:52,799
is actively comical in how widly it is, and I

3403
02:36:52,920 --> 02:36:54,840
understand that again the guitarists who wrote this saying he's

3404
02:36:55,440 --> 02:37:00,680
renowned for using like strange, unconventional note scales and stuff

3405
02:37:00,799 --> 02:37:03,239
like that, and stuff that I'm far too stupid to

3406
02:37:03,360 --> 02:37:06,079
really like, you know, fully, fully really comprehend, but that's

3407
02:37:06,120 --> 02:37:08,360
what all this is composed out of. And you also

3408
02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:12,479
get like piano stabs and then two minutes fifteen seconds in,

3409
02:37:12,719 --> 02:37:14,959
so that first song, it's been pretty overwhelming as a

3410
02:37:14,959 --> 02:37:16,200
start of a song, but you do it. You know

3411
02:37:16,360 --> 02:37:18,559
it's death metal. You're having a pretty good brutal time.

3412
02:37:18,600 --> 02:37:20,639
You go in with the blast beats all that, the

3413
02:37:20,920 --> 02:37:25,479
full dream theater keyboards come in and it like like

3414
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:29,399
full synth, and it is such a wild sound to

3415
02:37:29,479 --> 02:37:32,239
be hit with at that point, it is. It's ridiculous,

3416
02:37:32,280 --> 02:37:34,680
and it's almost like the song just unwinds over the

3417
02:37:34,719 --> 02:37:36,840
course of it, like it starts off death metal before

3418
02:37:36,959 --> 02:37:39,600
just losing the plot completely in the back half turns

3419
02:37:39,639 --> 02:37:43,239
as this like manic prog bullshit. All complimentary by the way,

3420
02:37:43,319 --> 02:37:45,200
I think. There are like grooves on this are pretty

3421
02:37:45,239 --> 02:37:48,000
sick like when it goes stinky and low and suffocating,

3422
02:37:48,840 --> 02:37:52,440
you get some like demented circle pit thrash rhythms on

3423
02:37:52,600 --> 02:37:55,319
like power Obsessed, but they are never more than a

3424
02:37:55,360 --> 02:37:58,079
few seconds away from having their feet yanked out from

3425
02:37:58,159 --> 02:38:00,760
under them as they fall down. Some like Won key

3426
02:38:00,840 --> 02:38:03,120
instrumental rabbit hole. Like if you have waited over twenty

3427
02:38:03,200 --> 02:38:05,760
years for a necrophagious record and you like the idea

3428
02:38:05,799 --> 02:38:08,879
of them resurfacing but coming back wearing a cape and

3429
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:12,639
having raided a nearby keyboard imporium for the largest, most

3430
02:38:12,719 --> 02:38:15,559
wizardly shit that they have, then this is the album

3431
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:17,040
for you. It also reminds me a little bit of

3432
02:38:17,079 --> 02:38:18,799
bad like Blotted Science for the sheer, sort of like

3433
02:38:18,879 --> 02:38:22,959
instrumental lunacy of it, but it is, it's pretty bonkers.

3434
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:26,319
And then you're going through the record, you're almost getting

3435
02:38:26,319 --> 02:38:28,399
into the flow of what's going on. You hit the

3436
02:38:28,440 --> 02:38:32,719
halfway point and there are two back to back instrumental tracks.

3437
02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:37,159
The first one Nine Walls. It is like the mid

3438
02:38:37,200 --> 02:38:39,239
album Divide in that it doesn't start straight away. It

3439
02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:41,440
has like the sort of desolate jazzy break at the start.

3440
02:38:42,319 --> 02:38:44,680
But then as well as being the longest one on

3441
02:38:44,719 --> 02:38:47,440
the record, again, it's a complete instrumental track, just playing

3442
02:38:47,520 --> 02:38:53,120
you with the most ridiculous like dueling, jarring, starting and stopping.

3443
02:38:53,600 --> 02:38:55,719
Got guitar and keyboard parts, which is the other thing, right.

3444
02:38:55,760 --> 02:38:57,520
It rarely just hits the rhythm and stays on. It's

3445
02:38:57,520 --> 02:39:00,319
always blocking you off. It just always goes over the like.

3446
02:39:03,159 --> 02:39:06,520
Speaker 2: Power obsessed, right, you get it. There's that genuinely sick

3447
02:39:06,600 --> 02:39:09,360
riff and then after a couple of seconds and then

3448
02:39:09,559 --> 02:39:12,120
back and then just like I was like, can you

3449
02:39:12,239 --> 02:39:15,159
please just keep the rib going for more than a

3450
02:39:15,239 --> 02:39:18,079
few seconds before doing that? I can't like this is

3451
02:39:18,200 --> 02:39:20,920
me Like yeah, I know you said, this is me

3452
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:24,239
being like extremely stupid. I am way too simple for

3453
02:39:24,360 --> 02:39:29,200
this sort of stuff. But it was like, come on, Wolves.

3454
02:39:28,920 --> 02:39:30,879
Speaker 1: Has a perremine in there as well, and when that

3455
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:33,280
starts coming, I'm like, you are off your rocker mate.

3456
02:39:34,719 --> 02:39:35,600
Like that was it.

3457
02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:38,120
Speaker 2: It was no more something like like like kind of

3458
02:39:38,159 --> 02:39:41,319
like jazz kind of like evil jazz Matthew sort of thing.

3459
02:39:41,399 --> 02:39:44,079
And then going from space with the like pherom and

3460
02:39:44,120 --> 02:39:47,959
I was like, right, yeah, all bets are off. I'm

3461
02:39:48,319 --> 02:39:51,479
I surrender myself to your madness. Arise from worms and

3462
02:39:51,559 --> 02:39:53,280
these are like that long too is again it's like

3463
02:39:53,559 --> 02:39:56,440
this runaway train kind of like instrumental sort of thing

3464
02:39:56,479 --> 02:39:58,479
where it's again throwing so many different things that I

3465
02:39:58,559 --> 02:40:00,600
was just like, why have we got who's was it?

3466
02:40:00,639 --> 02:40:01,000
Speaker 1: In a row?

3467
02:40:01,040 --> 02:40:04,000
Speaker 2: And then the more baffling thing is so when you

3468
02:40:04,040 --> 02:40:07,040
get to then Axes of the Violode Part one and two.

3469
02:40:07,399 --> 02:40:09,079
Speaker 1: Why not just have it as one long song?

3470
02:40:09,360 --> 02:40:11,680
Speaker 2: Why parts?

3471
02:40:13,319 --> 02:40:14,000
Speaker 1: It's so weird.

3472
02:40:14,319 --> 02:40:16,840
Speaker 2: But again, that song has my favorite part of the album,

3473
02:40:16,879 --> 02:40:18,600
which is the Avenges in the Name of My Father,

3474
02:40:18,840 --> 02:40:19,600
my brothers and I.

3475
02:40:20,040 --> 02:40:20,600
Speaker 1: That is hard.

3476
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:22,280
Speaker 2: That bit goes hard. I'll give the album that.

3477
02:40:23,559 --> 02:40:25,319
Speaker 1: There are some hard moments in there. I think the

3478
02:40:25,399 --> 02:40:29,200
breakdown in Psionic being near the end is pretty tough,

3479
02:40:29,639 --> 02:40:32,120
you know. And like I said, Acts of the Voivode

3480
02:40:32,840 --> 02:40:36,559
begins with this sort of like epic classical instrumentation, which

3481
02:40:36,680 --> 02:40:37,760
I think it's a little bit of again of a

3482
02:40:37,760 --> 02:40:39,319
sort of an Asian influence going on. If you look

3483
02:40:39,319 --> 02:40:40,760
at the cover right, it looks sort of like, you know,

3484
02:40:40,799 --> 02:40:43,000
sort of Samurai s, doesn't it. They drag a little

3485
02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:47,280
bit of that. Yeah, a welcome divergence at that point

3486
02:40:47,319 --> 02:40:48,920
to give it a little bit more solid variety than

3487
02:40:48,959 --> 02:40:53,399
just but it does then indeed return to that past

3488
02:40:53,479 --> 02:40:57,520
that you're after the races once again, I think because

3489
02:40:57,559 --> 02:40:59,559
the death metal element, right, you know, when Steve Tucker's

3490
02:40:59,559 --> 02:41:01,639
growling and it's doing the dirty riffs, it is so

3491
02:41:01,840 --> 02:41:05,120
dirty and evil. This album definitely avoids the problem for

3492
02:41:05,239 --> 02:41:08,639
me of full tech death that I don't vibe with

3493
02:41:08,719 --> 02:41:11,040
because it's kind of polished and devoid of any fun.

3494
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:13,559
Like this is a mad man's album, which is why

3495
02:41:13,559 --> 02:41:16,600
I wanted to review it. It's so fucking odd and surprising.

3496
02:41:17,040 --> 02:41:20,399
I am not anywhere near as much of like the

3497
02:41:20,520 --> 02:41:23,440
shred wank maniac as the guy who wrote this album.

3498
02:41:23,639 --> 02:41:25,680
So I can't say that this is my favorite death

3499
02:41:25,719 --> 02:41:27,920
metal record of this year, but it made me smile

3500
02:41:28,200 --> 02:41:31,799
a lot hearing these sounds colliding into each other. Every

3501
02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:35,559
time that daft Dream Theater keyboards since sound came in

3502
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:38,360
over like a slimy death metal riff. I just couldn't

3503
02:41:38,360 --> 02:41:40,799
help being dear to it, you know, I.

3504
02:41:40,840 --> 02:41:43,319
Speaker 2: Mean that that keyboard sound is again Wow, it's like

3505
02:41:43,360 --> 02:41:44,719
we should destroy all keyboards.

3506
02:41:46,200 --> 02:41:47,799
Speaker 1: Well it was in dream Theater, so it makes sense

3507
02:41:47,799 --> 02:41:48,440
that you feel that way.

3508
02:41:48,639 --> 02:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Again, Like I have my beef with this record,

3509
02:41:52,719 --> 02:41:55,639
but I do like I can kind of admire just

3510
02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:59,959
the sheer mad scientist approach to just throwing every other

3511
02:42:00,079 --> 02:42:02,680
and not and again like this is this is now

3512
02:42:02,799 --> 02:42:04,479
for a very particular type of person. But if you're

3513
02:42:04,520 --> 02:42:08,079
that person who is down for just the most obnoxious

3514
02:42:08,239 --> 02:42:11,200
kind of like guitar virtue to keep up virtue, So

3515
02:42:11,639 --> 02:42:12,239
we don't.

3516
02:42:12,079 --> 02:42:13,479
Speaker 1: Care about classic song structures.

3517
02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:14,680
Speaker 2: We want to just do what we want to do.

3518
02:42:15,719 --> 02:42:18,959
Like I could see people really liking this record. For me,

3519
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:21,639
I again, outside this review, I'm never going to go

3520
02:42:21,760 --> 02:42:23,760
back to this. But I didn't hate this.

3521
02:42:24,079 --> 02:42:26,360
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't have a bad time with this record.

3522
02:42:26,920 --> 02:42:29,879
Speaker 2: It is not my least favorite record that we reviewed

3523
02:42:30,040 --> 02:42:34,040
this week. Like is not the worst thing, even if

3524
02:42:34,079 --> 02:42:36,799
it's like something that in the past, maybe two three

3525
02:42:36,879 --> 02:42:39,120
years ago, I'd have been pulling my hair out. I'm

3526
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:42,760
threatening to quit the podcast over having to Now now

3527
02:42:42,799 --> 02:42:44,200
I can kind of go like, well, you know what

3528
02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:48,719
it is mental and daft, and I mean because it's mischievous.

3529
02:42:49,200 --> 02:42:51,840
It gets away with doing things that I hate, because

3530
02:42:51,840 --> 02:42:53,600
there's is a kind of like mischievous that or like

3531
02:42:54,120 --> 02:42:56,600
twinkle to it that I'm willing to give the album

3532
02:42:56,760 --> 02:42:58,840
a bit of a bit of leeway. But I still

3533
02:42:59,239 --> 02:43:01,479
never ever planned to this ever again. So like you

3534
02:43:01,639 --> 02:43:04,239
got me, you had a good rib on my behalf,

3535
02:43:04,559 --> 02:43:06,280
you got me, well done? Yeah played.

3536
02:43:07,280 --> 02:43:09,239
Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun, like you know, messaging

3537
02:43:09,559 --> 02:43:11,840
some of my friends who love Morbid Angel and being

3538
02:43:11,879 --> 02:43:13,360
like if you heard this new Arise from Worms album

3539
02:43:13,360 --> 02:43:14,879
Steve Tucker's on it and be like, oh okay, and

3540
02:43:14,959 --> 02:43:16,600
then coming back two minutes into the first rap, but

3541
02:43:16,600 --> 02:43:22,879
you're like, what the fuck It's brought me joy this album? So, Elliott,

3542
02:43:22,879 --> 02:43:24,840
if you're listening, this is the one album this time

3543
02:43:24,879 --> 02:43:30,159
I want to hear so Arise from Worms, a bleeding tree,

3544
02:43:30,280 --> 02:43:32,639
hanging self destruction. I'm sorry if we, you know, were

3545
02:43:32,680 --> 02:43:35,319
a little bit DeBie downer during some of those album reviews.

3546
02:43:35,479 --> 02:43:37,799
I do trust that next month will be a bit

3547
02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:40,840
there for us, but still some really good stuff in there,

3548
02:43:40,879 --> 02:43:42,559
and absolutely even some of the albums that we were

3549
02:43:42,559 --> 02:43:45,479
maybe warm on, interesting discussions to be had about them.

3550
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:48,799
So do let us know what you think about all

3551
02:43:48,840 --> 02:43:51,840
of these albums we've spoken about, from Loath to Muse

3552
02:43:52,200 --> 02:43:55,159
to the excerpts to Arise from Worms, A lot still

3553
02:43:55,319 --> 02:43:59,719
to get your teeth into their next time. Obviously, in

3554
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:02,559
August we will have our next reviews. Batch can't top

3555
02:44:02,600 --> 02:44:04,000
Hendry remember what's in it, But I know there is

3556
02:44:04,040 --> 02:44:08,360
some pretty high profile awesome stuff to come next week

3557
02:44:08,440 --> 02:44:10,840
here on the you know, the regular weekly show. I'm

3558
02:44:10,840 --> 02:44:12,799
going to be an awful fest this week so I'm

3559
02:44:12,879 --> 02:44:15,280
continuing to get down and dirty. I guess I'll be

3560
02:44:15,319 --> 02:44:19,159
back with a report from that, speaking about wading through

3561
02:44:19,280 --> 02:44:23,040
the slam rivers as will be doing. But we will

3562
02:44:23,079 --> 02:44:25,719
see you once again for that, So cheers everyone, Bye,