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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome again to another episode of Gun Talk. Tom
Speaker 2: Gresham here. If you want to be part of it,
Speaker 2: just give me a call eight sixty six Talk Gun
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Speaker 2: we had a lot of thanks to talking about. We've
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Speaker 2: cool things to talk about, but I do want to
Speaker 2: get into this right away. This is something I have
Speaker 2: been saying for many, many years that people just get
Speaker 2: not complacent, it's more normalized. And joining me to talk
Speaker 2: about that is Dan wils He is the author of
Speaker 2: the Good Gun, Bad Guy series. There's a Second Amendment Advocate.
Speaker 2: He's the host of the Loaded Micah and Dan. You
Speaker 2: you have a different way of looking at things, and
Speaker 2: I don't know what your perspective or background is, but
Speaker 2: you explain things to people very well in a way
Speaker 2: that often they can't get to by themselves.
Speaker 5: Well, well, thanks Tom, I appreciate that, and thanks for
Speaker 5: having me on your show. It's always great talking with you.
Speaker 6: When we talk about background checks, you said it, you
Speaker 6: nail that people it's become normalized.
Speaker 5: And when things become normalized, in other.
Speaker 6: Words, they've been around for a while that people start
Speaker 6: to people people they mistake the length of time something's
Speaker 6: been around with legitimacy, and the reality is background checks
Speaker 6: are not legitimate. Background checks are the antithesis to the
Speaker 6: Second Amendment. Our founding fathers when they wrote the Second Amendment.
Speaker 6: They wrote it because they didn't want the government to
Speaker 6: decide who has a gun. And now, over the course
Speaker 6: of time, we've given that, we've given that ability back
Speaker 6: to the government to approve our god given right if
Speaker 6: they choose.
Speaker 2: So, if they choose, and it's a actually a reversal
Speaker 2: of the innocent until proven guilty concept with a background check.
Speaker 2: Everyone is guilty until you go prove your innocence.
Speaker 5: Of course, And it's so it's so wrong, it's so
Speaker 5: bad ackwards.
Speaker 6: And and another problem with that is not only do
Speaker 6: you have to prove your innocence, but when you get
Speaker 6: denied ninety nine percent, depending on what study you look at, it,
Speaker 6: between ninety five and ninety nine percent of the initial
Speaker 6: player arm background check denials are false positives. In other words,
Speaker 6: good people being denied for no good reason. Could be
Speaker 6: any number of reason, mistakes, paperwork errors, whatever. But so
Speaker 6: you're telling me now that over the course of time,
Speaker 6: now I have it's come to the point where I
Speaker 6: have to go to the government hat in hand and
Speaker 6: ask them.
Speaker 5: For my god given right.
Speaker 6: And if I and and of all the people they
Speaker 6: deny ninety nine percent of them or false denials you
Speaker 6: got to be kidding me. This is this is ridiculous.
Speaker 6: But Tom, here's the here's the problem. It's been normalized. Yes,
Speaker 6: and not only do people expect it, they you know,
Speaker 6: they're okay with them, They're they're fine with it.
Speaker 2: You know. And I wanted to show one do I
Speaker 2: want to explain to people where do we get the
Speaker 2: nix the instant background check. It came out of the
Speaker 2: Brady Bill way back, and the Brady Bill required a
Speaker 2: waiting period, and so the instant background check was actually
Speaker 2: put forward by the gun industry to say, look, waiting
Speaker 2: periods are no good. You're you know, denying people their
Speaker 2: ability to buy a gun. So let's put it a
Speaker 2: system where you don't have to wait ten days for
Speaker 2: the law enforcement to check them out. We'll make it instant.
Speaker 2: At the time, it was thought that this was a
Speaker 2: maybe a less bad solution, you know. But you know,
Speaker 2: to your point is that now it is completely We
Speaker 2: have maybe two generations of people that have never known
Speaker 2: anything but having to get a background check. But here's
Speaker 2: the problem, and I want you to pick up on this.
Speaker 2: We getting used to that. And then the gun banners
Speaker 2: come in and say, oh, we have acclimated them to this.
Speaker 2: Now let's ratchet up a little bit. Let's throw in
Speaker 2: something called a universal background check.
Speaker 5: So frustrating, you know, Tom, it makes me, It gets.
Speaker 6: Me annoyed when just to hear and hearing the words,
Speaker 6: because it's so true. You give them an inch, she'll
Speaker 6: take them while they're always looking for more. And you're right,
Speaker 6: the universal background check. Some proposals have have wanted federal
Speaker 6: investigations into people for sharing a gun with a friend
Speaker 6: at the range, or handing a gun down to your
Speaker 6: children after you die, or.
Speaker 2: Learning to your neighbor to go past and hunting for
Speaker 2: the weekend.
Speaker 6: Exactly, it's so. And here's their justification. They try to
Speaker 6: justify this by saying it'll keep people. Say, first of all,
Speaker 6: it doesn't keep people safe because the bad.
Speaker 5: Guys, they don't care about the background check system. They
Speaker 5: laugh at it. But the thing is, if the legal.
Speaker 6: System was working properly, you know, and people could just
Speaker 6: go to the gun shop and buy whatever they.
Speaker 5: Want, the government doesn't need to know about it, and
Speaker 5: if the bad guys were in jail, there would be
Speaker 5: no problem.
Speaker 6: But they justify it by saying, well, we got all
Speaker 6: these bad people out on the streets. Well, yeah, because
Speaker 6: you keep storm early release.
Speaker 2: You know, if they're in jail, they're not committing crime
Speaker 2: on the street. It's kind of a simple concept, but
Speaker 2: it goes against what they want. Now, there's one other
Speaker 2: aspect of this whole thing, as you mentioned, going to
Speaker 2: a gun store. I am old enough to remember being
Speaker 2: able to buy guns at hardware stores when before there
Speaker 2: was such a thing as a Federal Firearms license nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty eight Gun Control Act, and so the Federal Firearms License,
Speaker 2: a licensed gun store is put in there so the
Speaker 2: government can control the flow of guns, who can buy them.
Speaker 2: How it all happens, there should not be an FFL system.
Speaker 2: There should not be a licensed gun store system. Anybody,
Speaker 2: any store anywhere should be able to sell a gun
Speaker 2: without any government records.
Speaker 6: Well, Tom, you're preaching to the choir, and I hope
Speaker 6: some people are listening who need to hear this, because
Speaker 6: it's absolutely right. This has become who started. You're started
Speaker 6: with the Gun Control Act nineteen sixty eight. That was
Speaker 6: the year I was born, by the way. But you know,
Speaker 6: then we went to the Brady Act in ninety three,
Speaker 6: and then we went to the Knick system in ninety eight.
Speaker 6: This has been a progression. Can we see this, you know,
Speaker 6: can people recognize what's going on here. It's just it's
Speaker 6: unbelievable that we have just kind of said, oh okay,
Speaker 6: you know, and we even have gun owners in our
Speaker 6: own community kind of just accept it. And you know,
Speaker 6: I mean, hey, I kick and scream. I'm one of
Speaker 6: those guys. I hate it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know. And you also point out something I'd
Speaker 2: love to get your waigh in on this just a bit.
Speaker 2: You identify one of the key tactics of the gun
Speaker 2: band industry, and that is to get you to look
Speaker 2: at one hand like a magician while they're doing something
Speaker 2: with the other hand. So we get all of our
Speaker 2: people and they respond to the obvious whatever the obvious
Speaker 2: gun control challenge of the day is, and they're spending
Speaker 2: all their energy there, all of their angst on that
Speaker 2: when the gun control movement is actually going back behind
Speaker 2: kind of surreptitiously, quietly, out of sight and doing other things.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's how they do it.
Speaker 6: And we, you know, we kind of go along, I
Speaker 6: think most of the time innocently just expecting that our
Speaker 6: Second Amendment will protect us.
Speaker 5: And you know it's not enough. We need to we
Speaker 5: need to protect it.
Speaker 6: And a lot of times people we sit back and
Speaker 6: we don't do the necessary work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and people get killed for this stuff too,
Speaker 5: Because you know, I was I just wrote an article
Speaker 5: for Donnos in America. Carol Bown was a woman in
Speaker 5: New Jersey who was stabbed to death by the guy
Speaker 5: she was dating. Now, the Jersey government made her wait
Speaker 5: forty three days while they decided whether or not she
Speaker 5: could exercise her god given right. And in that forty
Speaker 5: three days.
Speaker 6: Even after having restraining orders, and the police knew about
Speaker 6: this guy, and they knew he wanted to hurt her.
Speaker 5: Forty three days she waited.
Speaker 6: On the forty third day, he stabbed her to death
Speaker 6: while she waited.
Speaker 5: For the government to approve her background check.
Speaker 2: Not the first time we've heard this story before, where
Speaker 2: women apply for a permit to buy the gun, or
Speaker 2: for Carrie permit, but generally even to buy a gun.
Speaker 2: And during that period of time, because she wanted this
Speaker 2: gun to protect herself, while the government's trying to decide
Speaker 2: is she worthy of being able to protect her own life,
Speaker 2: somebody murders her.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a horrible thing, and I think I think
Speaker 6: we have to look at it like, what would our
Speaker 6: founding fathers say if they saw if they were able
Speaker 6: to come back to two thousand, come up here to
Speaker 6: twenty twenty six and see what's going.
Speaker 5: On, what would they say. They would they would want
Speaker 5: to they would want to slap.
Speaker 6: Us because no doubt we are abusing our rights.
Speaker 2: Oh no, kidd all right, So tell people about the
Speaker 2: Good Gun, Bad Guy series.
Speaker 6: Good Gun, Bad Guys a book series, three book series
Speaker 6: that I have been working on, and it's it talks
Speaker 6: about a lot of the stuff we're talking about today.
Speaker 7: It talks about a lot of other things related to
Speaker 7: the more of the social aspects of the gun control crowd,
Speaker 7: how they are able to convince society that we need
Speaker 7: more gun restrictions, and how they use their propaganda in
Speaker 7: the narrative.
Speaker 6: So it's a it's a pretty in depth book series.
Speaker 2: It's excellent. I mean, I would recommend to anybody who
Speaker 2: if you're really interested in the Second Amendment and how
Speaker 2: the gun control movement actually works, what they really are doing.
Speaker 2: Dan's books are terrific.
Speaker 6: Dan.
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you do hosting the Loaded Mike. You're
Speaker 2: working with goa. You got a lot of things going
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 6: Well, thanks Tom, and if people want to check out
Speaker 6: the book series, they can go to.
Speaker 5: Good Gun, Bad Guy dot com.
Speaker 6: Good Gun, Bad Guy dot com and Tom, I.
Speaker 5: Really appreciate what you're doing as well.
Speaker 6: You are one of the staples of this of the
Speaker 6: Second Amendment community, and we really appreciate you, and thanks
Speaker 6: for having me on the show.
Speaker 2: Absolutely by take care all right, don't go far gone.
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Speaker 2: All right. At that time of year when people are
Speaker 2: going out to the range doing a bunch of shooting.
Speaker 2: You know, the weather's good, well, sometimes it's hot, but
Speaker 2: you can do an early morning session if you're going outdoors.
Speaker 2: And obviously the indoor ranges are available all the time,
Speaker 2: so they're doing a lot of shooting. People are actually
Speaker 2: buying guns because right now it's like they're having a
Speaker 2: huge sale. Everywhere I look. The prices are down, gun
Speaker 2: sales are down slightly. And when sales are down even
Speaker 2: just a little bit, the gun companies come up with
Speaker 2: incentives and programs and sales and so if you look around,
Speaker 2: poke around, you'll find some pretty darn good sales out there.
Speaker 2: So the question I have for you is what are
Speaker 2: you looking at? Anything gotten your attention recently, or maybe
Speaker 2: something you bought, or what have you been taking to
Speaker 2: the range? I asked a question on X a little
Speaker 2: while ago this morning. Essentially it was on average, how
Speaker 2: many guns do you take to the range when you
Speaker 2: go you're going out for the day, you're going out
Speaker 2: for the morning. How many guns do you take to
Speaker 2: go out to shoot? As soon? It's not just one,
Speaker 2: but it might be just one and that's okay, but
Speaker 2: sometimes it's more than one, and sometimes it's a bunch,
Speaker 2: just curious wondering number. Here is Tom talk gun Brett
Speaker 2: called in. He's in Wheatfield, Indiana. Hey, Brad, I appreciate
Speaker 2: your patients. You're on the air. Go ahead, all.
Speaker 13: Right, Well, last week you had a guest on talking
Speaker 13: about to call the federal or go on line for
Speaker 13: a federal register to you know, make a comment.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, where they got the public notices
Speaker 2: and you can make a comment on here, right, So.
Speaker 13: I said, okay, but how how so I actually no,
Speaker 13: I'm an old gun. Okay, so you know, computers aren't
Speaker 13: my first thing, but any rate, I figured it out,
Speaker 13: and I was wondering, maybe I'd like to path on
Speaker 13: what I figured and maybe other people would have wouldn't
Speaker 13: have to go to the route of just figuring up
Speaker 13: out themselves. So if you're if you're interested, first you
Speaker 13: go you go to Federalregister dot gov, right, okay. Then
Speaker 13: you answer search and you can put in the term
Speaker 13: or a citation, but you know, just put in atf
Speaker 13: rules for instance, you know, and there's there's a craft load.
Speaker 13: So what you want to do then now is hit Newest.
Speaker 13: Otherwise you're getting stuff from years ago, you know what
Speaker 13: I mean. So the comment period is over, so don't
Speaker 13: waste your time even reading them. So once you're at Newest,
Speaker 13: then you scroll down and you find one you want
Speaker 13: to comment on, but you got to read it carefully
Speaker 13: because you know many of them are in government ease,
Speaker 13: so it can be confusing or maybe just me, I'm
Speaker 13: an idiot, you know, Okay, well, thank you. Uh So
Speaker 13: you pick one and then you make a comment. And
Speaker 13: the thing is the timeands to be a start short.
Speaker 13: As I agree with the rule, it should be changed
Speaker 13: to this or I think it's a bad idea, you
Speaker 13: know either, I mean super you don't have to write
Speaker 13: a paragraph or a couple of sentences and that's all
Speaker 13: you do, and then you pick one again, and pick
Speaker 13: one and then pick another and another and rinse and repeat.
Speaker 13: So I commented on I think two or three. And
Speaker 13: then they give you an opportunity to put your email
Speaker 13: in there so you can, they'll send you a confirmation
Speaker 13: that you can put it in there. And it really
Speaker 13: ended up to be pretty simple once I figured out
Speaker 13: where to go, I guess the most confusing, hardest where
Speaker 13: to go. And then you've got to really read them
Speaker 13: carefully because they go on and on about this they have.
Speaker 13: The other thing is like.
Speaker 2: What hush, you know, and let me throw out a
Speaker 2: thought here. The other thing, you know, Yeah, you went on.
Speaker 2: You went through the front door and drilled your way
Speaker 2: through and all that, and good on you for having
Speaker 2: the perseverance to do that. The other way to go
Speaker 2: on that, of course, is to get on the mating
Speaker 2: list of the NRA when they're sending out these things,
Speaker 2: or to follow me on x which used to be Twitter,
Speaker 2: where we actually are posting the link to say this
Speaker 2: is the propose and here's the link. And when we
Speaker 2: have the link, you click on that and it takes
Speaker 2: you directly to that proposal so that you can comment
Speaker 2: on it and you can eliminate all of that stuff.
Speaker 13: Wow, well that would have been easier. But well, I
Speaker 13: am an endownment number of the NA but I don't
Speaker 13: have a Twitter x xyz thing, so I can't get yourself.
Speaker 2: You know what, if you'll go over to the nra
Speaker 2: ILA website, they've got a like a grassroots deal. You
Speaker 2: get basically an email newsletter and they will send you
Speaker 2: emails regularly and say, here's a proposal, here's the thing,
Speaker 2: here's a comment period. It's just a way, and there
Speaker 2: are other ways to do that. But yeah, but look,
Speaker 2: congratulations for figuring it out and also for taking time
Speaker 2: to come and share that with us. It's once you
Speaker 2: figure it out, you've already gone through the learning curve
Speaker 2: on this. It's not that difficult, is it.
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 13: No, it's then it's really easy. And again, you don't
Speaker 13: have to make a book length thing. Just say I
Speaker 13: think it's a good idea, or I agree or I
Speaker 13: disagree with the change, and that's it. You know you're
Speaker 13: in and out.
Speaker 2: That sounds good. Look, I appreciate it. They're very good.
Speaker 2: And these are important because these comment periods are open.
Speaker 2: We need to be responding to them because the anti
Speaker 2: gunners do, they get organized, and they have actually taken
Speaker 2: away some of the good measures that we're trying to
Speaker 2: get through at ATF because they simply responded in greater
Speaker 2: numbers than we did. So we got to once again
Speaker 2: get off our rears. Speaking of which, we're one hundred
Speaker 2: days away from midterm elections. The left is energized, the
Speaker 2: right is not. Democrats are energized, Republicans are not. Predictions
Speaker 2: are We're going to get hammered in the midterms, And
Speaker 2: that's certainly true if we don't show up. Basically, the
Speaker 2: world belongs to those who show up, as simple as that.
Speaker 2: So I spent part of the morning this morning watching
Speaker 2: Shooting Sports Life. That is the new television network that
Speaker 2: we created. Somebody said on the line, said, well, I
Speaker 2: thought it was just a network you guys were on. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's our network. We have created an entirely new television network.
Speaker 2: It's all about shooting and guns and the shooting lifestyle.
Speaker 2: It's called Shooting Sports Life. If you go to Shooting
Speaker 2: SportsLife dot org or dot com. Rather my mistake. You
Speaker 2: can find it there Shooting SportsLife dot com. So I'm
Speaker 2: watching several of the episodes from First Person Defender, which is,
Speaker 2: if I do say so myself, absolutely excellent some of
Speaker 2: the best thought provoking shows you can watch in terms
Speaker 2: of self defense with guns. What do I do?
Speaker 14: If?
Speaker 2: What do I do afterwards?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: I never thought of that. Oh wow, there's this time
Speaker 2: there was one attacker, this time there were three attackers.
Speaker 2: Would I do you know?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: He could have gone through that door back there. So
Speaker 2: I'm watching this and they're just all of these teachable
Speaker 2: moments and they're just so good and to the we
Speaker 2: keep seeing the same thing over and over again. Our
Speaker 2: minds tend to be polluted with what we have seen
Speaker 2: on TV shows and in movies. Specifically, if there's a
Speaker 2: scenario where somebody gets attacked and they do, in fact
Speaker 2: use a gun in self defense, and the bad guy
Speaker 2: goes down, and these scenarios, about eight times out of ten,
Speaker 2: the good guy in the scenario will then walk over,
Speaker 2: very carefully walk over to pick up the bad guy's
Speaker 2: gun or to kick the bad guy's gun away. And
Speaker 2: then we ask him afterwards, why did you do that?
Speaker 2: It's like, huh, just because that's all they've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Because that's what happens after shooting. The cops go over
Speaker 2: and kick the gun away. Why stay away from this guy?
Speaker 2: He just tried to kill you. You can walk up
Speaker 2: to him and he reanimates and picks up his gun
Speaker 2: and shoots you. Why aren't you backing away and getting
Speaker 2: behind cover. Why aren't you, you know, going behind a
Speaker 2: building and calling nine one one. You have no reason
Speaker 2: to walk up there and do that. The other one
Speaker 2: that happened, and I just watched it today is a
Speaker 2: guy actually succeeded in the second scenario when they redid
Speaker 2: it by doing nothing. Multiple bad guys robin people. He
Speaker 2: could have shot him, and he didn't let him go.
Speaker 2: Nobody got shot. As simple as that, he wins. Everybody
Speaker 2: wins on that one eight six six Talk gun or
Speaker 2: Tom Talk Gun. That's our number here, be right back,
Speaker 2: all right, it's time to talk about shotguns, because honestly,
Speaker 2: I think maybe shotguns don't get as much attention as
Speaker 2: they should these days. We're joined right now by Chris Serno.
Speaker 2: He's the director of training for Gun Talk Headquarters, range
Speaker 2: Ready Studios. Chris, glad to be here with you. Man.
Speaker 15: Oh Tom, this is great and it's good to see
Speaker 15: you because we can see each other this.
Speaker 8: Time for once.
Speaker 2: I know it's crazy. So if listening to this on
Speaker 2: the radio, they can actually go flip over and they
Speaker 2: can watch the video we're doing. We're going to have
Speaker 2: that on all our channels here shortly. So all right,
Speaker 2: the reason I wanted to have you on, well, we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about several things. But you're doing one
Speaker 2: of our experience classes at range Ready Studios. You might
Speaker 2: want to tell them what their experience thing is.
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 15: So experience is not like any other class we have.
Speaker 15: And now that we have Shooting Sports Life our new
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Speaker 15: Ready TV.
Speaker 2: So if you're here, you get.
Speaker 15: A cameo appearance on that. Experience is a little bit
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Speaker 15: We got people coming in from Benelli. We've got Greg
Speaker 15: Ellifritz coming in to teach the class as our primary instructor.
Speaker 15: With me, it's it's a lot more and Tom get
Speaker 15: to keep the gun. You get the gun, you get
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Speaker 2: This is a big deal, all right. So this is
Speaker 2: a brand new shotgun from Benelli and they're going to
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Speaker 2: here is the real deal. I mean, he is somebody
Speaker 2: who really need to pay attention to. And at the
Speaker 2: end of the class, you get to keep this brand
Speaker 2: new shotgun. Which, by the way, there's a reason that
Speaker 2: Chris is not holding the shotgun right now because we
Speaker 2: can't release it yet. Right.
Speaker 15: This thing doesn't even launch until sometime in August. And
Speaker 15: I here's what I can tell you about the gun.
Speaker 8: Tom.
Speaker 15: It's a Binelli, it's a semi auto. It's a tactical shotgun.
Speaker 15: It looks really really cool and it's a lot of
Speaker 15: fun to shoot. And it's so cool that I'm actually
Speaker 15: going to get one too.
Speaker 2: That says a lot, because you got access to pretty
Speaker 2: much all the guns out there, and for you to
Speaker 2: say you want one of these, that tells me something.
Speaker 15: Right, the way I see it, Tom, is this is
Speaker 15: such a nice tactical shotguns it's so modern, so new,
Speaker 15: so up to dates that I really don't have anything
Speaker 15: like this in my safe.
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 15: I've probably got at least a half a dozen Banelles,
Speaker 15: if not more. You know, I shot on the three
Speaker 15: gun circuit with Bonelli's for a long time, and of
Speaker 15: course I'm.
Speaker 2: A fan they last they work.
Speaker 15: This one is really cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's back up. There seems to be I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get your take on this. My thought is that a
Speaker 2: lot of people now don't pay attention to shotguns because
Speaker 2: they think, well, for home defense, I've got my ar
Speaker 2: I got my pistol, and I think maybe the utility
Speaker 2: of a shotgun is lost, particularly on a lot of
Speaker 2: the younger, newer shooters.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 15: The shotgun is a great gun. It's funny because just
Speaker 15: this week I saw something from like palettin press or something,
Speaker 15: the old one of those old videos that I start
Speaker 15: with a P.
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but probably Paladin. It was an old.
Speaker 15: Video, older guy talking about shooting through walls and different
Speaker 15: guns and different loads with the shotgun, and he ultimately
Speaker 15: said that the bird shot load and a twelve gage
Speaker 15: shotgun was a great home defense round. Same day, Tom,
Speaker 15: I see you on an old guns and Gear video
Speaker 15: playing on SSL because we keep it playing around here
Speaker 15: and there. You are going over and over about the
Speaker 15: twelve gage and you had three targets out in front
Speaker 15: of you, and you're like, yeah, it's not just a
Speaker 15: room sweeper. You still got to aim and it still
Speaker 15: delivers the payload. And you think you were at twenty
Speaker 15: feet and you were just punishing those cardboard targets with
Speaker 15: no problem to the targets next to them, And it
Speaker 15: was just funny how this has all come together.
Speaker 2: Well exactly, And think about shotguns. The magic of shotguns
Speaker 2: is that you have all these different loads. You have buckshot,
Speaker 2: bird shots, slugs, and then knowing when to use which.
Speaker 2: And I know there are people are going to lose
Speaker 2: their minds whenever we talk about using bird shot for
Speaker 2: home defense. And it's not ideal except when it is,
Speaker 2: because there could be could be situations where it works,
Speaker 2: and people go, that's not going to hurt anybody. I said, really,
Speaker 2: walk up to five feet right, five feet from a
Speaker 2: target and shoot it with bird shot and watch what happens.
Speaker 15: What's your average distance in a room? I mean, let's
Speaker 15: talk about ten to fifteen feet in a house and
Speaker 15: a load of bird shot. I can't tell you how
Speaker 15: many people I've seen on the streets back in the
Speaker 15: day that still had the wad stuck in that gaping
Speaker 15: hole in their chest, lanked dead on the pavement.
Speaker 2: We you know, I you remember, I head head over
Speaker 2: it at gun side. Ed would say, you know, you
Speaker 2: could shoot people with a rifle or a pistol, he said,
Speaker 2: but with a shotgun you disassemble.
Speaker 15: Them one hundred percent. And the great thing about a
Speaker 15: twelve gage shotgun semi auto shotgun is you can hunt
Speaker 15: with it, you can compete with it, you can protect
Speaker 15: with it. I keep one. I keep a binlam two
Speaker 15: on my side by side in my yard. I mean
Speaker 15: it's magnetized, it's six right in there, and I've got
Speaker 15: it loaded up for part of their control.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, just about a.
Speaker 15: Month ago, I had a coyote at high noon, thirty
Speaker 15: feet from my chickens. I managed to get across the
Speaker 15: porch out the door and it killed that sucker in
Speaker 15: bird shot. I've granted it with six as high brass.
Speaker 15: Six is because I want to be able to reach
Speaker 15: out and touch something. But I killed that thing dead right,
Speaker 15: that gun.
Speaker 2: Tell me about this class. This is for people to
Speaker 2: understand the experienced class. You actually created it to kind
Speaker 2: of mimic what gun writers and gun tubers get to
Speaker 2: do when they go to a media event where a
Speaker 2: new product is introduced, and that's actually what's going on here.
Speaker 2: This is Banella. You're introducing a new product and there
Speaker 2: will be some media people there. But you can sign
Speaker 2: up for the class. If you go to range Readystudios
Speaker 2: dot com you can sign up and you could have
Speaker 2: that experience. Right.
Speaker 15: We just launched this one yesterday, yesterday evening. We've already
Speaker 15: got people signing up. I don't think everybody's seen their
Speaker 15: emails yet. Normally these things sell out in twenty four
Speaker 15: to forty eight hours, and we're not at twenty four
Speaker 15: hours yet and people are signing up, but it is.
Speaker 15: It's like a media event. You come in, you get
Speaker 15: the VIP treatment. We treat you like family, which is
Speaker 15: of course what we do here at range Ready. You
Speaker 15: get the key, the gun, you get the sling, you
Speaker 15: get the dumpouch, you get all your AMMO provided your
Speaker 15: targets get hung for you. You don't have to do anything.
Speaker 15: You get world class world class training. I got Greg
Speaker 15: Elliferts coming in. I can't tell you how many people said,
Speaker 15: are you going to.
Speaker 8: Bring in Elfrits for this?
Speaker 2: Are you going to bring in elforts for this?
Speaker 15: Of course I'm going to.
Speaker 2: You're going to get the training, work class training. The
Speaker 2: AMMO is provided, the targets are provided, the accessories, all
Speaker 2: this stuff is provided. And at the end of the class,
Speaker 2: you get to keep the shotgun.
Speaker 15: That's right, And if you live here, we are going
Speaker 15: to let you take it home. We're going to do
Speaker 15: the NIXT checks right here. But if you live somewhere
Speaker 15: out of state, we're gonna ship it to you to
Speaker 15: your favorite FFL.
Speaker 2: It's going to get done, all right. So give me
Speaker 2: a couple of tips about self defense or shooting shotguns
Speaker 2: with people might know but might not know if they're
Speaker 2: not real familiar with it.
Speaker 15: On my home defense shotgun, I've got buckshot in it,
Speaker 15: but I also have a side saddle with slugs in it.
Speaker 15: I love the idea of being able to reach out
Speaker 15: and touch something need to, because predators aren't necessarily always
Speaker 15: a two legged predator, so I like to have that versatility.
Speaker 5: But I also like to have some.
Speaker 15: High brass sixes something like that that I can reach
Speaker 15: out and get those bad predators that are coming in
Speaker 15: that I need to shoot on the move. That's a
Speaker 15: lot easier for me. The twelve gage shotgun is just
Speaker 15: an extremely versatile and legendary platform. I hate I like
Speaker 15: to say firearms platform, Tom because I don't like to
Speaker 15: say weapon because it's not a weapon.
Speaker 2: It's so useful.
Speaker 8: It's a tool.
Speaker 15: A shotgun is truly a tool.
Speaker 2: No, I like it. Now, do you have any accessories
Speaker 2: on your personal home defense gun?
Speaker 15: On my home defense gun, I personally have a light
Speaker 15: and a laser from Crimson Trace, one of our favorite companies,
Speaker 15: because at night there is no faster way and more
Speaker 15: accurate way to shoot a shotgun. I also have a
Speaker 15: sling and I keep a side saddle on and mine
Speaker 15: is one of those kinds that the thing sticks on,
Speaker 15: but then at velcroz, so you can pull that side
Speaker 15: saddle off if you need to.
Speaker 2: Right the laser. Of course, at night, you just put
Speaker 2: the dot on it and the SHOT's going to go
Speaker 2: where the laser is.
Speaker 15: Oh my gosh, I cheek the gun. I look over it.
Speaker 15: I tracked the laser just like I would track the
Speaker 15: beat on a shotgun site. And I can't tell you
Speaker 15: how many armadillos have met their maker in my yard
Speaker 15: in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: You are the predator getter. Bet you want them off
Speaker 2: of your land, I know. And you got those chickens.
Speaker 2: I know you're always looking for the fox and the coyotes. Absolutely.
Speaker 15: I mean, I've always got to be honestly, Tom, if
Speaker 15: you walk in my house, you're going to see You're
Speaker 15: gonna see one Banelli on that side by side right away.
Speaker 15: There's another one in the living room, and there's another
Speaker 15: one in my in my bedroom.
Speaker 5: I have three.
Speaker 15: Banelli's that are ready to go at all times. And honestly,
Speaker 15: it's just kind of my go to weapon.
Speaker 2: All right. I got to tell you a story way
Speaker 2: way back with Dad was writing for Sports the Field.
Speaker 2: He pitch them an idea. He says, look, let's try
Speaker 2: a bunch of semi automatic shotguns and just test them
Speaker 2: and see how they run. Oh, that sounds great. So
Speaker 2: we're at to the local range, invited everybody to come
Speaker 2: out free m O shoot clay targets, have a bunch
Speaker 2: of fun, put five different shotguns out and just put
Speaker 2: a clipboard next to each one and make a note
Speaker 2: if you get a malfunction and they just shot them
Speaker 2: without clean you're shooting, shoot and shoot. And they just
Speaker 2: just went on and one by one these shotguns went down,
Speaker 2: and you know, the Banelli kept going until they finally
Speaker 2: just had to give up with the test. It never
Speaker 2: did stop.
Speaker 15: That is fantastic. I mean I've shot you know, I've
Speaker 15: got m two Banelli's that were of course modified and
Speaker 15: hopped up by Mark Roth from x Rail. I've shot
Speaker 15: those guns and three gun for years. I love to
Speaker 15: shoot the low recoil slugs, the three quarter ounce or
Speaker 15: the seven I think there are seven a sounce slugs.
Speaker 15: It runs like a sewing machine. And being able to
Speaker 15: do that, mine holds twelve plus one. So we're talking
Speaker 15: about a lot of slugs. It's a lot of fun,
Speaker 15: right you know. You get your low recoil buck, you
Speaker 15: get to your flight control buck. Those things are great
Speaker 15: options in shotguns, you know. And and of course I
Speaker 15: did a big segment last year with some shotguns, and
Speaker 15: I did some breaching stuff. You can look it up
Speaker 15: online undergun and I did some breaching stuff and I
Speaker 15: used I used regular breaching rounds, but I also used
Speaker 15: bird shot. Of course, with bird shot and breaching, you
Speaker 15: gotta worry about secondary you know, projectiles. But a pinch
Speaker 15: in an end times, man, you cannot disregard the shotgun
Speaker 15: for so many tasks.
Speaker 2: All right, what about mini shells?
Speaker 15: Oh well, this one's not going to shoot mini shells,
Speaker 15: although we did already shoot.
Speaker 5: Some mini shells through it.
Speaker 15: You just got to hand cycle them, Tom, and they
Speaker 15: did cycle when we hand cycle them, and it is just.
Speaker 2: Like a little power. It's so little powder buffaloads. So
Speaker 2: we got the Banelli Shotgun class. The experience coming up
Speaker 2: with this gun. We can't tell you any details about,
Speaker 2: but it's going to be announced right before the class
Speaker 2: actually happened, so people will see that. And if you
Speaker 2: go to this thing, if you sign, if you're able
Speaker 2: to get in, you're going to actually get to keep
Speaker 2: the gun. Chris, this is phenomenal. I really appreciate you
Speaker 2: telling us about this.
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is September seventeenth and eighteenth. The gun launches
Speaker 15: first week of August, so if you've signed up for
Speaker 15: the class, you're probably going to get to see what
Speaker 15: the gun is. And I would venture to say there
Speaker 15: won't be one person that says, oh, no, no, I
Speaker 15: want to back out of that class because that's just
Speaker 15: not my best.
Speaker 2: Now, once they see it, they definitely want to go. Chris,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. I appreciate sir. Awesome.
Speaker 15: Thanks Tom.
Speaker 2: Always fun to chat with Chris. I mean, he is
Speaker 2: the real deal. Guy's got tons of experience in law enforcement,
Speaker 2: local and federal. A instructor at Fletsey, the Federal Law
Speaker 2: Enforcement Training Center, Air Marshall done a lot of interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: What guy. When you go to rains Ready Studios and
Speaker 2: you take one of our classes, you get the full Chris,
Speaker 2: the full treatment, and he is intimidating and funny as
Speaker 2: a stand up comic at the same time. It is
Speaker 2: just a fun deal to do that, and you definitely
Speaker 2: come away with some good training. Shotguns, we did some testing. Boy,
Speaker 2: it goes back ten plus years now. Everybody's always talking
Speaker 2: about penetration, wall penetration. Will this thing shoot through walls?
Speaker 2: We're to go out into the house, or we're to
Speaker 2: go into the street. Where to hit your neighbor's house.
Speaker 2: So we said, well, let's try this stuff. So we
Speaker 2: built three walls. Each wall had two pieces of sheet rock,
Speaker 2: a dry wall, on studs, and then the last one
Speaker 2: had dry wall and then insulation and then exterior board
Speaker 2: like you have on a house. And I think we
Speaker 2: had them ten feet apart just to make it easy,
Speaker 2: and we shot them with a lot of different things
Speaker 2: just to find out what would go through how many walls,
Speaker 2: from air fifteen's to hunting rifles to all manner and
Speaker 2: different cartridges of handguns and shotgunloads. So what was interesting.
Speaker 2: The basic takeaway is that most almost all handgun rounds
Speaker 2: would exit the house, would go through all of the walls.
Speaker 2: Forty five nine, three eighty I think three eighty went
Speaker 2: through all three of them. Trying to remember twenty two
Speaker 2: is noo. And then rifles yes, hunting rifles yes. But
Speaker 2: you know what didn't go through all the walls. The
Speaker 2: AR fifteen will a full metal jacket bullet over and
Speaker 2: over you shoot it. Just the first wall goes through,
Speaker 2: turn sideways, hits the second wall probably doesn't go through.
Speaker 2: If it does, it doesn't go real far. It might
Speaker 2: just hit the third wall. Generally penetrates less than other rounds.
Speaker 2: Shotguns were interesting slugs you would expect, and they did.
Speaker 2: They went through all three walls, exited the house. Buck shot. However, Oh,
Speaker 2: it went through all three walls and exited the house. Also,
Speaker 2: a lot of people think, yeah, buck shot, that's not
Speaker 2: going to Yes, it will goes through all of them.
Speaker 2: Bird shot. No one wall done, and it just spreads
Speaker 2: out and it dimples the second wall. And I get it.
Speaker 2: Bird SHOT's not ideal. It drives people crazy whenever you
Speaker 2: talk about it. But again, I would say to this,
Speaker 2: to this to you in certain circumstances, limited circumstances. So
Speaker 2: you lived in a house trailer and you're concerned about
Speaker 2: over penetration, and the rooms aren't going to be very large,
Speaker 2: and you want a self defense rig, Well, honestly, how
Speaker 2: far can it be away from you? Ten feet twenty feet?
Speaker 2: I would ask you to go to the range with
Speaker 2: your shotgun, with a load of sixes bird shot sixes,
Speaker 2: and shoot cardboard targets at five feet not yards feet,
Speaker 2: and then ten feet, and then fifteen and twenty feet,
Speaker 2: and wash the holes that blows right through them, and
Speaker 2: ask yourself would this stop an attacker? The answer is, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: it would as a matter of fact, certainly would Let's
Speaker 2: see a jem. We've got time to get brand in here,
Speaker 2: not we don't okay, Brand, hold on, we're gonna get
Speaker 2: to you after this break. I don't have quite enough
Speaker 2: time to get you in, and it wouldn't be fair
Speaker 2: to bring you in at this point. But if you
Speaker 2: we're gonna get brand, we'll also have room for you
Speaker 2: if you want to call us eight sixty six Talk
Speaker 2: Gun or Tom Talk Gun. Shotguns are a really good option.
Speaker 2: One other thing, by the way, you noticed that Chris
Speaker 2: said at this class, you're gonna get the sling. All
Speaker 2: these shotguns are gonna be equipped with slings, and people
Speaker 2: are gonna get training in how to use a sling
Speaker 2: with a shotgun. If you have a self defense shotgun
Speaker 2: or if you have a self defense ar, it should
Speaker 2: be wearing a sling and you should train with that sling.
Speaker 2: And if you don't know what to do with the
Speaker 2: sling on it. That's why we have classes, either ours
Speaker 2: or somebody else's, and go get training and learn how
Speaker 2: to do it, and then you can practice it. Shooting
Speaker 2: by yourself is not training. Training involves having an instruction.
Speaker 2: Simple as that. Don't go far. God talk with me
Speaker 2: right now. I mean, I'm having way too much fun
Speaker 2: over on X. I just posted a picture I created
Speaker 2: out of artificial intelligence. Used AI to create a picture
Speaker 2: of a nineteen eleven firing a bullet. Wanted to see
Speaker 2: the bullet in the air out of the muzzle. AI
Speaker 2: is not as smart as you think. The bullet has
Speaker 2: two points at forward and backwards. It's just the weirdest thing.
Speaker 2: And there's a rifle cartridge piece of brass coming out
Speaker 2: of the top of a nineteen eleven. But it's clever,
Speaker 2: it's cute. Okay, never mind so much for AI online too.
Speaker 2: Whether it's ad of Wyoming brand, you gotta range report
Speaker 2: for us, go for it.
Speaker 14: Uh you know that promo that you just ran about,
Speaker 14: you know, put all your gear on and roll around
Speaker 14: on the ground whatever you and then get up and
Speaker 14: whatever you don't have you're not going to have in
Speaker 14: a fight. Yes, well I kind of did that, and inadvertently.
Speaker 14: I drive a truck for a living, and I have
Speaker 14: to get underneath the trailer at times to lift an
Speaker 14: axle when I'm light and in the course of doing that,
Speaker 14: I my holster. I leaned on it and I pushed
Speaker 14: the mag release button and I ended up losing the magazine.
Speaker 14: So rather than go across country, depositing magazines at various
Speaker 14: trucks up. I asked somebody what should I do. I
Speaker 14: was gonna, you know, wait until I get home and
Speaker 14: run a drill in where the mag where the leather
Speaker 14: was pushing on the mag release button. And a friend
Speaker 14: just said, launch, just cut it with a knife. And
Speaker 14: I'm like, well, there's an idea. So I cut that
Speaker 14: section out with a knife and I have not had
Speaker 14: a problem since. And I roll all over the ground
Speaker 14: with my holster on, and I am not suppositing magazines
Speaker 14: across America anymore.
Speaker 2: You know. It's a great point you're making here, which
Speaker 2: is test this stuff. You think, Yeah, I wear it
Speaker 2: all the time, and people say, well, why would you
Speaker 2: be on the ground? Trust me, I always ask people
Speaker 2: in the classes, said how many people here have ever
Speaker 2: been in a fight, even way back in grade school?
Speaker 2: And hands go up, and I said, and during that fight,
Speaker 2: how many have you ended up on the ground? And
Speaker 2: everybody who's been in a fight ends up on the ground,
Speaker 2: right right, So yeah, So if you're rolling around on
Speaker 2: the ground and your gear is coming apart and you're
Speaker 2: dumbing magazines or things are falling off of you, those
Speaker 2: are things you're not going to have in the rest
Speaker 2: of the fight.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 14: So, I mean I never I hear that promo and
Speaker 14: I never tried it because I'm like, it's going to
Speaker 14: hurt if I roll around on the ground. I don't
Speaker 14: want to do this, but I had to do it
Speaker 14: for work, and sure enough I learned the hard way
Speaker 14: because I went like a day and a half thinking
Speaker 14: I had a loaded gun, and all I had was
Speaker 14: the equivalent of a contender on my weight, and all.
Speaker 2: That shot a single shot. All right, a little bit
Speaker 2: time we got left. You got to talk about a
Speaker 2: Browning M two machine gun.
Speaker 8: Louis.
Speaker 2: Oh, are you still there?
Speaker 14: Yep, I'm back.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Now we're losing. I tell you what we're
Speaker 2: gonna Well do we do that another time? Brandt? I apologize,
Speaker 2: but we're getting out of your getting our cell phone
Speaker 2: range with losing you there, Sorry about that. By the way,
Speaker 2: if you want to join us on the air here,
Speaker 2: and it really doesn't matter if you want to talk
Speaker 2: about guns in any former fashion, Second Amendment, pistols, rifle,
Speaker 2: shot guns, I don't care. We'll talk about it. Just
Speaker 2: give me a call it Tom talk gun. By the way,
Speaker 2: the civilian Marksmanship Program CMP just announced they're going to
Speaker 2: make IM fourteens available surplus IM fourteen's. Now, I know
Speaker 2: what you're thinking. The M fourteen is a select fire,
Speaker 2: it's a machine gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nah, we can't
Speaker 2: be that lucky, right, I'd love to have one, But
Speaker 2: they're going to go through the process and deactivate them
Speaker 2: and make them semiauto. I don't think they've published a
Speaker 2: price on them yet, but you can go over to
Speaker 2: the CMP website and take a look Civilian Marksmanship Programs
Speaker 2: website and you can register, go in and sign up
Speaker 2: for the newsletters, and then when they have the information,
Speaker 2: you can get in line to buy. And there's a
Speaker 2: US Army surplus M fourteen rifle from the Civilian Marketmanship
Speaker 2: Program semi auto. But still it's an M fourteen. Very
Speaker 2: cool stuff. Okay, when I come back, let's talk about
Speaker 2: cool stuff electronic optics. And also, two guys aren't you
Speaker 2: about their place in line and end up shooting each
Speaker 2: other