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<v Speaker 5>Here's Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome again to another episode of Gun Talk. Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Gresham here. If you want to be part of it,

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<v Speaker 2>or give me a call it Tom Talk Gun. And

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<v Speaker 2>we had a lot of thanks to talking about. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got some cool guns to talk about. We've got an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible class we're going to be offering at our facility

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<v Speaker 2>where you actually walk away with this. Well, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>But when you take the clash, you will keep the

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<v Speaker 2>gun at the end. That way, we got so many

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<v Speaker 2>cool things to talk about, but I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>get into this right away. This is something I have

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<v Speaker 2>been saying for many, many years that people just get

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<v Speaker 2>not complacent, it's more normalized. And joining me to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that is Dan wils He is the author of

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<v Speaker 2>the Good Gun, Bad Guy series. There's a Second Amendment Advocate.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the host of the Loaded Micah and Dan. You

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<v Speaker 2>you have a different way of looking at things, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what your perspective or background is, but

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<v Speaker 2>you explain things to people very well in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that often they can't get to by themselves.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, well, thanks Tom, I appreciate that, and thanks for

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<v Speaker 5>having me on your show. It's always great talking with you.

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<v Speaker 6>When we talk about background checks, you said it, you

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<v Speaker 6>nail that people it's become normalized.

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<v Speaker 5>And when things become normalized, in other.

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<v Speaker 6>Words, they've been around for a while that people start

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<v Speaker 6>to people people they mistake the length of time something's

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<v Speaker 6>been around with legitimacy, and the reality is background checks

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<v Speaker 6>are not legitimate. Background checks are the antithesis to the

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<v Speaker 6>Second Amendment. Our founding fathers when they wrote the Second Amendment.

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<v Speaker 6>They wrote it because they didn't want the government to

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<v Speaker 6>decide who has a gun. And now, over the course

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<v Speaker 6>of time, we've given that, we've given that ability back

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<v Speaker 6>to the government to approve our god given right if

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<v Speaker 6>they choose.

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<v Speaker 2>So, if they choose, and it's a actually a reversal

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<v Speaker 2>of the innocent until proven guilty concept with a background check.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone is guilty until you go prove your innocence.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, And it's so it's so wrong, it's so

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<v Speaker 5>bad ackwards.

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<v Speaker 6>And and another problem with that is not only do

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<v Speaker 6>you have to prove your innocence, but when you get

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<v Speaker 6>denied ninety nine percent, depending on what study you look at, it,

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<v Speaker 6>between ninety five and ninety nine percent of the initial

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<v Speaker 6>player arm background check denials are false positives. In other words,

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<v Speaker 6>good people being denied for no good reason. Could be

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<v Speaker 6>any number of reason, mistakes, paperwork errors, whatever. But so

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<v Speaker 6>you're telling me now that over the course of time,

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<v Speaker 6>now I have it's come to the point where I

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<v Speaker 6>have to go to the government hat in hand and

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<v Speaker 6>ask them.

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<v Speaker 5>For my god given right.

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<v Speaker 6>And if I and and of all the people they

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<v Speaker 6>deny ninety nine percent of them or false denials you

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<v Speaker 6>got to be kidding me. This is this is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 6>But Tom, here's the here's the problem. It's been normalized. Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>and not only do people expect it, they you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they're okay with them, They're they're fine with it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. And I wanted to show one do I

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<v Speaker 2>want to explain to people where do we get the

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<v Speaker 2>nix the instant background check. It came out of the

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<v Speaker 2>Brady Bill way back, and the Brady Bill required a

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<v Speaker 2>waiting period, and so the instant background check was actually

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<v Speaker 2>put forward by the gun industry to say, look, waiting

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<v Speaker 2>periods are no good. You're you know, denying people their

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<v Speaker 2>ability to buy a gun. So let's put it a

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<v Speaker 2>system where you don't have to wait ten days for

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<v Speaker 2>the law enforcement to check them out. We'll make it instant.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, it was thought that this was a

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a less bad solution, you know. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to your point is that now it is completely We

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<v Speaker 2>have maybe two generations of people that have never known

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<v Speaker 2>anything but having to get a background check. But here's

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<v Speaker 2>the problem, and I want you to pick up on this.

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<v Speaker 2>We getting used to that. And then the gun banners

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<v Speaker 2>come in and say, oh, we have acclimated them to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's ratchet up a little bit. Let's throw in

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<v Speaker 2>something called a universal background check.

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<v Speaker 5>So frustrating, you know, Tom, it makes me, It gets.

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<v Speaker 6>Me annoyed when just to hear and hearing the words,

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<v Speaker 6>because it's so true. You give them an inch, she'll

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<v Speaker 6>take them while they're always looking for more. And you're right,

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<v Speaker 6>the universal background check. Some proposals have have wanted federal

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<v Speaker 6>investigations into people for sharing a gun with a friend

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<v Speaker 6>at the range, or handing a gun down to your

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<v Speaker 6>children after you die, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Learning to your neighbor to go past and hunting for

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend.

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly, it's so. And here's their justification. They try to

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<v Speaker 6>justify this by saying it'll keep people. Say, first of all,

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<v Speaker 6>it doesn't keep people safe because the bad.

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<v Speaker 5>Guys, they don't care about the background check system. They

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<v Speaker 5>laugh at it. But the thing is, if the legal.

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<v Speaker 6>System was working properly, you know, and people could just

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<v Speaker 6>go to the gun shop and buy whatever they.

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<v Speaker 5>Want, the government doesn't need to know about it, and

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<v Speaker 5>if the bad guys were in jail, there would be

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<v Speaker 5>no problem.

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<v Speaker 6>But they justify it by saying, well, we got all

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<v Speaker 6>these bad people out on the streets. Well, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 6>you keep storm early release.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if they're in jail, they're not committing crime

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<v Speaker 2>on the street. It's kind of a simple concept, but

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<v Speaker 2>it goes against what they want. Now, there's one other

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of this whole thing, as you mentioned, going to

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<v Speaker 2>a gun store. I am old enough to remember being

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<v Speaker 2>able to buy guns at hardware stores when before there

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<v Speaker 2>was such a thing as a Federal Firearms license nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight Gun Control Act, and so the Federal Firearms License,

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<v Speaker 2>a licensed gun store is put in there so the

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<v Speaker 2>government can control the flow of guns, who can buy them.

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<v Speaker 2>How it all happens, there should not be an FFL system.

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<v Speaker 2>There should not be a licensed gun store system. Anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>any store anywhere should be able to sell a gun

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<v Speaker 2>without any government records.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, Tom, you're preaching to the choir, and I hope

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<v Speaker 6>some people are listening who need to hear this, because

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<v Speaker 6>it's absolutely right. This has become who started. You're started

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<v Speaker 6>with the Gun Control Act nineteen sixty eight. That was

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<v Speaker 6>the year I was born, by the way. But you know,

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<v Speaker 6>then we went to the Brady Act in ninety three,

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<v Speaker 6>and then we went to the Knick system in ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 6>This has been a progression. Can we see this, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>can people recognize what's going on here. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 6>unbelievable that we have just kind of said, oh okay,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, and we even have gun owners in our

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<v Speaker 6>own community kind of just accept it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, hey, I kick and scream. I'm one of

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<v Speaker 6>those guys. I hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know. And you also point out something I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to get your waigh in on this just a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You identify one of the key tactics of the gun

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<v Speaker 2>band industry, and that is to get you to look

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<v Speaker 2>at one hand like a magician while they're doing something

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<v Speaker 2>with the other hand. So we get all of our

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<v Speaker 2>people and they respond to the obvious whatever the obvious

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<v Speaker 2>gun control challenge of the day is, and they're spending

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<v Speaker 2>all their energy there, all of their angst on that

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<v Speaker 2>when the gun control movement is actually going back behind

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<v Speaker 2>kind of surreptitiously, quietly, out of sight and doing other things.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's how they do it.

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<v Speaker 6>And we, you know, we kind of go along, I

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<v Speaker 6>think most of the time innocently just expecting that our

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<v Speaker 6>Second Amendment will protect us.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know it's not enough. We need to we

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<v Speaker 5>need to protect it.

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<v Speaker 6>And a lot of times people we sit back and

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<v Speaker 6>we don't do the necessary work.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and then and people get killed for this stuff too,

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<v Speaker 5>Because you know, I was I just wrote an article

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<v Speaker 5>for Donnos in America. Carol Bown was a woman in

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<v Speaker 5>New Jersey who was stabbed to death by the guy

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<v Speaker 5>she was dating. Now, the Jersey government made her wait

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<v Speaker 5>forty three days while they decided whether or not she

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<v Speaker 5>could exercise her god given right. And in that forty

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<v Speaker 5>three days.

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<v Speaker 6>Even after having restraining orders, and the police knew about

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<v Speaker 6>this guy, and they knew he wanted to hurt her.

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<v Speaker 5>Forty three days she waited.

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<v Speaker 6>On the forty third day, he stabbed her to death

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<v Speaker 5>For the government to approve her background check.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the first time we've heard this story before, where

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<v Speaker 2>women apply for a permit to buy the gun, or

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<v Speaker 2>for Carrie permit, but generally even to buy a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>And during that period of time, because she wanted this

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<v Speaker 2>is she worthy of being able to protect her own life,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody murders her.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's a horrible thing, and I think I think

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<v Speaker 6>we have to look at it like, what would our

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<v Speaker 6>founding fathers say if they saw if they were able

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<v Speaker 6>to come back to two thousand, come up here to

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<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty six and see what's going.

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<v Speaker 5>On, what would they say. They would they would want

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<v Speaker 5>to they would want to slap.

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<v Speaker 6>Us because no doubt we are abusing our rights.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, kidd all right, So tell people about the

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<v Speaker 2>Good Gun, Bad Guy series.

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<v Speaker 6>Good Gun, Bad Guys a book series, three book series

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<v Speaker 6>that I have been working on, and it's it talks

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<v Speaker 6>about a lot of the stuff we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 7>It talks about a lot of other things related to

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<v Speaker 7>the more of the social aspects of the gun control crowd,

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<v Speaker 7>how they are able to convince society that we need

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<v Speaker 7>more gun restrictions, and how they use their propaganda in

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<v Speaker 7>the narrative.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's a it's a pretty in depth book series.

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<v Speaker 2>It's excellent. I mean, I would recommend to anybody who

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<v Speaker 2>if you're really interested in the Second Amendment and how

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<v Speaker 2>the gun control movement actually works, what they really are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan's books are terrific.

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<v Speaker 6>Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate what you do hosting the Loaded Mike. You're

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<v Speaker 2>working with goa. You got a lot of things going

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<v Speaker 2>my friend.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, thanks Tom, and if people want to check out

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<v Speaker 6>Good Gun, Bad Guy dot com and Tom, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Really appreciate what you're doing as well.

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<v Speaker 6>You are one of the staples of this of the

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<v Speaker 6>Second Amendment community, and we really appreciate you, and thanks

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<v Speaker 6>for having me on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely by take care all right, don't go far gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Two.

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<v Speaker 12>These aren't just guns.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. At that time of year when people are

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<v Speaker 2>going out to the range doing a bunch of shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the weather's good, well, sometimes it's hot, but

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously the indoor ranges are available all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're doing a lot of shooting. People are actually

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<v Speaker 2>buying guns because right now it's like they're having a

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<v Speaker 2>huge sale. Everywhere I look. The prices are down, gun

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<v Speaker 2>sales are down slightly. And when sales are down even

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit, the gun companies come up with

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<v Speaker 2>poke around, you'll find some pretty darn good sales out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So the question I have for you is what are

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<v Speaker 2>the range? I asked a question on X a little

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<v Speaker 2>while ago this morning. Essentially it was on average, how

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<v Speaker 2>many guns do you take to the range when you

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<v Speaker 2>go you're going out for the day, you're going out

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<v Speaker 2>for the morning. How many guns do you take to

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<v Speaker 2>go out to shoot? As soon? It's not just one,

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<v Speaker 2>but it might be just one and that's okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's more than one, and sometimes it's a bunch,

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<v Speaker 2>just curious wondering number. Here is Tom talk gun Brett

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<v Speaker 2>called in. He's in Wheatfield, Indiana. Hey, Brad, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your patients. You're on the air. Go ahead, all.

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<v Speaker 13>Right, Well, last week you had a guest on talking

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<v Speaker 13>about to call the federal or go on line for

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<v Speaker 13>a federal register to you know, make a comment.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, yeah, where they got the public notices

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<v Speaker 2>and you can make a comment on here, right, So.

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<v Speaker 13>I said, okay, but how how so I actually no,

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<v Speaker 13>I'm an old gun. Okay, so you know, computers aren't

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<v Speaker 13>my first thing, but any rate, I figured it out,

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<v Speaker 13>and I was wondering, maybe I'd like to path on

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<v Speaker 13>what I figured and maybe other people would have wouldn't

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<v Speaker 13>out themselves. So if you're if you're interested, first you

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<v Speaker 13>go you go to Federalregister dot gov, right, okay. Then

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<v Speaker 13>you answer search and you can put in the term

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<v Speaker 13>or a citation, but you know, just put in atf

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<v Speaker 13>rules for instance, you know, and there's there's a craft load.

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<v Speaker 13>So what you want to do then now is hit Newest.

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<v Speaker 13>Otherwise you're getting stuff from years ago, you know what

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<v Speaker 13>I mean. So the comment period is over, so don't

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<v Speaker 13>waste your time even reading them. So once you're at Newest,

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<v Speaker 13>then you scroll down and you find one you want

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<v Speaker 13>to comment on, but you got to read it carefully

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<v Speaker 13>because you know many of them are in government ease,

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<v Speaker 13>so it can be confusing or maybe just me, I'm

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<v Speaker 13>an idiot, you know, Okay, well, thank you. Uh So

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<v Speaker 13>you pick one and then you make a comment. And

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<v Speaker 13>the thing is the timeands to be a start short.

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<v Speaker 13>As I agree with the rule, it should be changed

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<v Speaker 13>to this or I think it's a bad idea, you

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<v Speaker 13>know either, I mean super you don't have to write

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<v Speaker 13>a paragraph or a couple of sentences and that's all

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<v Speaker 13>you do, and then you pick one again, and pick

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<v Speaker 13>one and then pick another and another and rinse and repeat.

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<v Speaker 13>So I commented on I think two or three. And

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<v Speaker 13>then they give you an opportunity to put your email

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<v Speaker 13>in there so you can, they'll send you a confirmation

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<v Speaker 13>that you can put it in there. And it really

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<v Speaker 13>ended up to be pretty simple once I figured out

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<v Speaker 13>where to go, I guess the most confusing, hardest where

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<v Speaker 13>to go. And then you've got to really read them

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<v Speaker 13>carefully because they go on and on about this they have.

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<v Speaker 13>The other thing is like.

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<v Speaker 2>What hush, you know, and let me throw out a

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<v Speaker 2>thought here. The other thing, you know, Yeah, you went on.

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<v Speaker 2>You went through the front door and drilled your way

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<v Speaker 2>through and all that, and good on you for having

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<v Speaker 2>the perseverance to do that. The other way to go

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<v Speaker 2>on that, of course, is to get on the mating

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<v Speaker 2>list of the NRA when they're sending out these things,

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<v Speaker 2>or to follow me on x which used to be Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>where we actually are posting the link to say this

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<v Speaker 2>is the propose and here's the link. And when we

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<v Speaker 2>have the link, you click on that and it takes

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<v Speaker 2>you directly to that proposal so that you can comment

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<v Speaker 2>on it and you can eliminate all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 13>Wow, well that would have been easier. But well, I

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<v Speaker 13>am an endownment number of the NA but I don't

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<v Speaker 13>have a Twitter x xyz thing, so I can't get yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, if you'll go over to the nra

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<v Speaker 2>ILA website, they've got a like a grassroots deal. You

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<v Speaker 2>get basically an email newsletter and they will send you

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<v Speaker 2>emails regularly and say, here's a proposal, here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a comment period. It's just a way, and there

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<v Speaker 2>are other ways to do that. But yeah, but look,

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations for figuring it out and also for taking time

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<v Speaker 2>to come and share that with us. It's once you

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out, you've already gone through the learning curve

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<v Speaker 2>on this. It's not that difficult, is it.

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<v Speaker 14>No?

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<v Speaker 13>No, it's then it's really easy. And again, you don't

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<v Speaker 13>have to make a book length thing. Just say I

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<v Speaker 13>think it's a good idea, or I agree or I

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<v Speaker 13>disagree with the change, and that's it. You know you're

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<v Speaker 13>in and out.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds good. Look, I appreciate it. They're very good.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are important because these comment periods are open.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to be responding to them because the anti

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<v Speaker 2>gunners do, they get organized, and they have actually taken

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<v Speaker 2>away some of the good measures that we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get through at ATF because they simply responded in greater

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<v Speaker 2>numbers than we did. So we got to once again

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<v Speaker 2>get off our rears. Speaking of which, we're one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>days away from midterm elections. The left is energized, the

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<v Speaker 2>right is not. Democrats are energized, Republicans are not. Predictions

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<v Speaker 2>are We're going to get hammered in the midterms, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's certainly true if we don't show up. Basically, the

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<v Speaker 2>world belongs to those who show up, as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I spent part of the morning this morning watching

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<v Speaker 2>Shooting Sports Life. That is the new television network that

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<v Speaker 2>we created. Somebody said on the line, said, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was just a network you guys were on. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's our network. We have created an entirely new television network.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about shooting and guns and the shooting lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Shooting Sports Life. If you go to Shooting

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<v Speaker 2>SportsLife dot org or dot com. Rather my mistake. You

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<v Speaker 2>can find it there Shooting SportsLife dot com. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>watching several of the episodes from First Person Defender, which is,

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<v Speaker 2>if I do say so myself, absolutely excellent some of

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<v Speaker 2>the best thought provoking shows you can watch in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of self defense with guns. What do I do?

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<v Speaker 14>If?

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<v Speaker 2>What do I do afterwards?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I never thought of that. Oh wow, there's this time

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<v Speaker 2>there was one attacker, this time there were three attackers.

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<v Speaker 2>Would I do you know?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>He could have gone through that door back there. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm watching this and they're just all of these teachable

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<v Speaker 2>moments and they're just so good and to the we

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<v Speaker 2>keep seeing the same thing over and over again. Our

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<v Speaker 2>minds tend to be polluted with what we have seen

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<v Speaker 2>on TV shows and in movies. Specifically, if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>goes down, and these scenarios, about eight times out of ten,

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<v Speaker 2>the good guy in the scenario will then walk over,

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<v Speaker 2>very carefully walk over to pick up the bad guy's

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<v Speaker 2>then we ask him afterwards, why did you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's what happens after shooting. The cops go over

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<v Speaker 2>and kick the gun away. Why stay away from this guy?

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<v Speaker 2>He just tried to kill you. You can walk up

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<v Speaker 2>to him and he reanimates and picks up his gun

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<v Speaker 2>and shoots you. Why aren't you backing away and getting

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<v Speaker 2>that happened, and I just watched it today is a

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody got shot. As simple as that, he wins. Everybody

424
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<v Speaker 2>wins on that one eight six six Talk gun or

425
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<v Speaker 2>Tom Talk Gun. That's our number here, be right back,

426
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<v Speaker 2>all right, it's time to talk about shotguns, because honestly,

427
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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe shotguns don't get as much attention as

428
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<v Speaker 2>they should these days. We're joined right now by Chris Serno.

429
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<v Speaker 2>He's the director of training for Gun Talk Headquarters, range

430
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<v Speaker 2>Ready Studios. Chris, glad to be here with you. Man.

431
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<v Speaker 15>Oh Tom, this is great and it's good to see

432
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<v Speaker 15>you because we can see each other this.

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<v Speaker 8>Time for once.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's crazy. So if listening to this on

435
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<v Speaker 2>the radio, they can actually go flip over and they

436
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<v Speaker 2>can watch the video we're doing. We're going to have

437
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<v Speaker 2>that on all our channels here shortly. So all right,

438
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<v Speaker 2>the reason I wanted to have you on, well, we're

439
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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about several things. But you're doing one

440
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<v Speaker 2>of our experience classes at range Ready Studios. You might

441
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<v Speaker 2>want to tell them what their experience thing is.

442
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<v Speaker 8>All right.

443
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<v Speaker 15>So experience is not like any other class we have.

444
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<v Speaker 15>And now that we have Shooting Sports Life our new

445
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<v Speaker 15>TV network, we're filming this for an episode of range

446
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<v Speaker 15>Ready TV.

447
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<v Speaker 2>So if you're here, you get.

448
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<v Speaker 15>A cameo appearance on that. Experience is a little bit

449
00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:39.119
<v Speaker 15>more than training. I mean, you get to be out

450
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<v Speaker 15>here with us. You get to see the inner workings.

451
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<v Speaker 15>We got people coming in from Benelli. We've got Greg

452
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<v Speaker 15>Ellifritz coming in to teach the class as our primary instructor.

453
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<v Speaker 15>With me, it's it's a lot more and Tom get

454
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<v Speaker 15>to keep the gun. You get the gun, you get

455
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<v Speaker 15>the gear, we provide all the AMMO.

456
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<v Speaker 2>This is a big deal, all right. So this is

457
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<v Speaker 2>a brand new shotgun from Benelli and they're going to

458
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<v Speaker 2>do a shotgun class, the two day class Arrange Ready

459
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<v Speaker 2>Studios and Greg Alifertz is going to be teaching. And

460
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<v Speaker 2>here is the real deal. I mean, he is somebody

461
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<v Speaker 2>who really need to pay attention to. And at the

462
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.440
<v Speaker 2>end of the class, you get to keep this brand

463
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<v Speaker 2>new shotgun. Which, by the way, there's a reason that

464
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<v Speaker 2>Chris is not holding the shotgun right now because we

465
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<v Speaker 2>can't release it yet. Right.

466
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<v Speaker 15>This thing doesn't even launch until sometime in August. And

467
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<v Speaker 15>I here's what I can tell you about the gun.

468
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<v Speaker 8>Tom.

469
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<v Speaker 15>It's a Binelli, it's a semi auto. It's a tactical shotgun.

470
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<v Speaker 15>It looks really really cool and it's a lot of

471
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<v Speaker 15>fun to shoot. And it's so cool that I'm actually

472
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<v Speaker 15>going to get one too.

473
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<v Speaker 2>That says a lot, because you got access to pretty

474
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<v Speaker 2>much all the guns out there, and for you to

475
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<v Speaker 2>say you want one of these, that tells me something.

476
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<v Speaker 15>Right, the way I see it, Tom, is this is

477
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<v Speaker 15>such a nice tactical shotguns it's so modern, so new,

478
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<v Speaker 15>so up to dates that I really don't have anything

479
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<v Speaker 15>like this in my safe.

480
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<v Speaker 2>I have.

481
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<v Speaker 15>I've probably got at least a half a dozen Banelles,

482
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<v Speaker 15>if not more. You know, I shot on the three

483
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:08.559
<v Speaker 15>gun circuit with Bonelli's for a long time, and of

484
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:09.279
<v Speaker 15>course I'm.

485
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<v Speaker 2>A fan they last they work.

486
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<v Speaker 15>This one is really cool.

487
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's back up. There seems to be I'm gonna

488
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<v Speaker 2>get your take on this. My thought is that a

489
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<v Speaker 2>lot of people now don't pay attention to shotguns because

490
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<v Speaker 2>they think, well, for home defense, I've got my ar

491
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<v Speaker 2>I got my pistol, and I think maybe the utility

492
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<v Speaker 2>of a shotgun is lost, particularly on a lot of

493
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<v Speaker 2>the younger, newer shooters.

494
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<v Speaker 8>I'll tell you what.

495
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<v Speaker 15>The shotgun is a great gun. It's funny because just

496
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<v Speaker 15>this week I saw something from like palettin press or something,

497
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<v Speaker 15>the old one of those old videos that I start

498
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<v Speaker 15>with a P.

499
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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember, but probably Paladin. It was an old.

500
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<v Speaker 15>Video, older guy talking about shooting through walls and different

501
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<v Speaker 15>guns and different loads with the shotgun, and he ultimately

502
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<v Speaker 15>said that the bird shot load and a twelve gage

503
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<v Speaker 15>shotgun was a great home defense round. Same day, Tom,

504
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:06.119
<v Speaker 15>I see you on an old guns and Gear video

505
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.839
<v Speaker 15>playing on SSL because we keep it playing around here

506
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.640
<v Speaker 15>and there. You are going over and over about the

507
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<v Speaker 15>twelve gage and you had three targets out in front

508
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<v Speaker 15>of you, and you're like, yeah, it's not just a

509
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.039
<v Speaker 15>room sweeper. You still got to aim and it still

510
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<v Speaker 15>delivers the payload. And you think you were at twenty

511
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<v Speaker 15>feet and you were just punishing those cardboard targets with

512
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<v Speaker 15>no problem to the targets next to them, And it

513
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<v Speaker 15>was just funny how this has all come together.

514
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<v Speaker 2>Well exactly, And think about shotguns. The magic of shotguns

515
00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:38.640
<v Speaker 2>is that you have all these different loads. You have buckshot,

516
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.279
<v Speaker 2>bird shots, slugs, and then knowing when to use which.

517
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<v Speaker 2>And I know there are people are going to lose

518
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<v Speaker 2>their minds whenever we talk about using bird shot for

519
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<v Speaker 2>home defense. And it's not ideal except when it is,

520
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:53.279
<v Speaker 2>because there could be could be situations where it works,

521
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:55.559
<v Speaker 2>and people go, that's not going to hurt anybody. I said, really,

522
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 2>walk up to five feet right, five feet from a

523
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<v Speaker 2>target and shoot it with bird shot and watch what happens.

524
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<v Speaker 15>What's your average distance in a room? I mean, let's

525
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:08.119
<v Speaker 15>talk about ten to fifteen feet in a house and

526
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.039
<v Speaker 15>a load of bird shot. I can't tell you how

527
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 15>many people I've seen on the streets back in the

528
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.559
<v Speaker 15>day that still had the wad stuck in that gaping

529
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.759
<v Speaker 15>hole in their chest, lanked dead on the pavement.

530
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<v Speaker 2>We you know, I you remember, I head head over

531
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.400
<v Speaker 2>it at gun side. Ed would say, you know, you

532
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.359
<v Speaker 2>could shoot people with a rifle or a pistol, he said,

533
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.000
<v Speaker 2>but with a shotgun you disassemble.

534
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<v Speaker 15>Them one hundred percent. And the great thing about a

535
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:35.880
<v Speaker 15>twelve gage shotgun semi auto shotgun is you can hunt

536
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<v Speaker 15>with it, you can compete with it, you can protect

537
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.519
<v Speaker 15>with it. I keep one. I keep a binlam two

538
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<v Speaker 15>on my side by side in my yard. I mean

539
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:47.640
<v Speaker 15>it's magnetized, it's six right in there, and I've got

540
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<v Speaker 15>it loaded up for part of their control.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, just about a.

542
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<v Speaker 15>Month ago, I had a coyote at high noon, thirty

543
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<v Speaker 15>feet from my chickens. I managed to get across the

544
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.160
<v Speaker 15>porch out the door and it killed that sucker in

545
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<v Speaker 15>bird shot. I've granted it with six as high brass.

546
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<v Speaker 15>Six is because I want to be able to reach

547
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:07.720
<v Speaker 15>out and touch something. But I killed that thing dead right,

548
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 15>that gun.

549
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<v Speaker 2>Tell me about this class. This is for people to

550
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<v Speaker 2>understand the experienced class. You actually created it to kind

551
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:18.839
<v Speaker 2>of mimic what gun writers and gun tubers get to

552
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 2>do when they go to a media event where a

553
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<v Speaker 2>new product is introduced, and that's actually what's going on here.

554
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.160
<v Speaker 2>This is Banella. You're introducing a new product and there

555
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.000
<v Speaker 2>will be some media people there. But you can sign

556
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>up for the class. If you go to range Readystudios

557
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:33.640
<v Speaker 2>dot com you can sign up and you could have

558
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that experience. Right.

559
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<v Speaker 15>We just launched this one yesterday, yesterday evening. We've already

560
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.880
<v Speaker 15>got people signing up. I don't think everybody's seen their

561
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.160
<v Speaker 15>emails yet. Normally these things sell out in twenty four

562
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<v Speaker 15>to forty eight hours, and we're not at twenty four

563
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 15>hours yet and people are signing up, but it is.

564
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.799
<v Speaker 15>It's like a media event. You come in, you get

565
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<v Speaker 15>the VIP treatment. We treat you like family, which is

566
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 15>of course what we do here at range Ready. You

567
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 15>get the key, the gun, you get the sling, you

568
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:05.319
<v Speaker 15>get the dumpouch, you get all your AMMO provided your

569
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.839
<v Speaker 15>targets get hung for you. You don't have to do anything.

570
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 15>You get world class world class training. I got Greg

571
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.680
<v Speaker 15>Elliferts coming in. I can't tell you how many people said,

572
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:16.319
<v Speaker 15>are you going to.

573
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<v Speaker 8>Bring in Elfrits for this?

574
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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to bring in elforts for this?

575
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<v Speaker 15>Of course I'm going to.

576
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.319
<v Speaker 2>You're going to get the training, work class training. The

577
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 2>AMMO is provided, the targets are provided, the accessories, all

578
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>this stuff is provided. And at the end of the class,

579
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you get to keep the shotgun.

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<v Speaker 15>That's right, And if you live here, we are going

581
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<v Speaker 15>to let you take it home. We're going to do

582
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 15>the NIXT checks right here. But if you live somewhere

583
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 15>out of state, we're gonna ship it to you to

584
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:41.519
<v Speaker 15>your favorite FFL.

585
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<v Speaker 2>It's going to get done, all right. So give me

586
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.799
<v Speaker 2>a couple of tips about self defense or shooting shotguns

587
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 2>with people might know but might not know if they're

588
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<v Speaker 2>not real familiar with it.

589
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<v Speaker 15>On my home defense shotgun, I've got buckshot in it,

590
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 15>but I also have a side saddle with slugs in it.

591
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<v Speaker 15>I love the idea of being able to reach out

592
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Speaker 15>and touch something need to, because predators aren't necessarily always

593
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<v Speaker 15>a two legged predator, so I like to have that versatility.

594
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<v Speaker 5>But I also like to have some.

595
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 15>High brass sixes something like that that I can reach

596
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:14.079
<v Speaker 15>out and get those bad predators that are coming in

597
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 15>that I need to shoot on the move. That's a

598
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 15>lot easier for me. The twelve gage shotgun is just

599
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:24.960
<v Speaker 15>an extremely versatile and legendary platform. I hate I like

600
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<v Speaker 15>to say firearms platform, Tom because I don't like to

601
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<v Speaker 15>say weapon because it's not a weapon.

602
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.359
<v Speaker 2>It's so useful.

603
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:31.119
<v Speaker 8>It's a tool.

604
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 15>A shotgun is truly a tool.

605
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<v Speaker 2>No, I like it. Now, do you have any accessories

606
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 2>on your personal home defense gun?

607
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<v Speaker 15>On my home defense gun, I personally have a light

608
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.039
<v Speaker 15>and a laser from Crimson Trace, one of our favorite companies,

609
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.119
<v Speaker 15>because at night there is no faster way and more

610
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 15>accurate way to shoot a shotgun. I also have a

611
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.240
<v Speaker 15>sling and I keep a side saddle on and mine

612
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 15>is one of those kinds that the thing sticks on,

613
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.279
<v Speaker 15>but then at velcroz, so you can pull that side

614
00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:58.720
<v Speaker 15>saddle off if you need to.

615
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Right the laser. Of course, at night, you just put

616
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:03.759
<v Speaker 2>the dot on it and the SHOT's going to go

617
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 2>where the laser is.

618
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<v Speaker 15>Oh my gosh, I cheek the gun. I look over it.

619
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:09.799
<v Speaker 15>I tracked the laser just like I would track the

620
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 15>beat on a shotgun site. And I can't tell you

621
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 15>how many armadillos have met their maker in my yard

622
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 15>in the middle of the night.

623
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<v Speaker 2>You are the predator getter. Bet you want them off

624
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 2>of your land, I know. And you got those chickens.

625
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I know you're always looking for the fox and the coyotes. Absolutely.

626
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<v Speaker 15>I mean, I've always got to be honestly, Tom, if

627
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.039
<v Speaker 15>you walk in my house, you're going to see You're

628
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.480
<v Speaker 15>gonna see one Banelli on that side by side right away.

629
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<v Speaker 15>There's another one in the living room, and there's another

630
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<v Speaker 15>one in my in my bedroom.

631
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<v Speaker 5>I have three.

632
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.839
<v Speaker 15>Banelli's that are ready to go at all times. And honestly,

633
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.519
<v Speaker 15>it's just kind of my go to weapon.

634
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<v Speaker 2>All right. I got to tell you a story way

635
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<v Speaker 2>way back with Dad was writing for Sports the Field.

636
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<v Speaker 2>He pitch them an idea. He says, look, let's try

637
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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of semi automatic shotguns and just test them

638
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<v Speaker 2>and see how they run. Oh, that sounds great. So

639
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 2>we're at to the local range, invited everybody to come

640
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 2>out free m O shoot clay targets, have a bunch

641
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 2>of fun, put five different shotguns out and just put

642
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 2>a clipboard next to each one and make a note

643
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.920
<v Speaker 2>if you get a malfunction and they just shot them

644
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 2>without clean you're shooting, shoot and shoot. And they just

645
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<v Speaker 2>just went on and one by one these shotguns went down,

646
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the Banelli kept going until they finally

647
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<v Speaker 2>just had to give up with the test. It never

648
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<v Speaker 2>did stop.

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<v Speaker 15>That is fantastic. I mean I've shot you know, I've

650
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<v Speaker 15>got m two Banelli's that were of course modified and

651
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.480
<v Speaker 15>hopped up by Mark Roth from x Rail. I've shot

652
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 15>those guns and three gun for years. I love to

653
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<v Speaker 15>shoot the low recoil slugs, the three quarter ounce or

654
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.640
<v Speaker 15>the seven I think there are seven a sounce slugs.

655
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.240
<v Speaker 15>It runs like a sewing machine. And being able to

656
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 15>do that, mine holds twelve plus one. So we're talking

657
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:51.599
<v Speaker 15>about a lot of slugs. It's a lot of fun,

658
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.359
<v Speaker 15>right you know. You get your low recoil buck, you

659
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.319
<v Speaker 15>get to your flight control buck. Those things are great

660
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 15>options in shotguns, you know. And and of course I

661
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 15>did a big segment last year with some shotguns, and

662
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:06.400
<v Speaker 15>I did some breaching stuff. You can look it up

663
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 15>online undergun and I did some breaching stuff and I

664
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.599
<v Speaker 15>used I used regular breaching rounds, but I also used

665
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<v Speaker 15>bird shot. Of course, with bird shot and breaching, you

666
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 15>gotta worry about secondary you know, projectiles. But a pinch

667
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<v Speaker 15>in an end times, man, you cannot disregard the shotgun

668
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 15>for so many tasks.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, what about mini shells?

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<v Speaker 15>Oh well, this one's not going to shoot mini shells,

671
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Speaker 15>although we did already shoot.

672
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:34.759
<v Speaker 5>Some mini shells through it.

673
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<v Speaker 15>You just got to hand cycle them, Tom, and they

674
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 15>did cycle when we hand cycle them, and it is just.

675
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Like a little power. It's so little powder buffaloads. So

676
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.759
<v Speaker 2>we got the Banelli Shotgun class. The experience coming up

677
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.200
<v Speaker 2>with this gun. We can't tell you any details about,

678
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 2>but it's going to be announced right before the class

679
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 2>actually happened, so people will see that. And if you

680
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 2>go to this thing, if you sign, if you're able

681
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.839
<v Speaker 2>to get in, you're going to actually get to keep

682
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:05.559
<v Speaker 2>the gun. Chris, this is phenomenal. I really appreciate you

683
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<v Speaker 2>telling us about this.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, this is September seventeenth and eighteenth. The gun launches

685
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.719
<v Speaker 15>first week of August, so if you've signed up for

686
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.599
<v Speaker 15>the class, you're probably going to get to see what

687
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<v Speaker 15>the gun is. And I would venture to say there

688
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.079
<v Speaker 15>won't be one person that says, oh, no, no, I

689
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 15>want to back out of that class because that's just

690
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:24.599
<v Speaker 15>not my best.

691
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<v Speaker 2>Now, once they see it, they definitely want to go. Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much. I appreciate sir. Awesome.

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<v Speaker 15>Thanks Tom.

694
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<v Speaker 2>Always fun to chat with Chris. I mean, he is

695
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the real deal. Guy's got tons of experience in law enforcement,

696
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>local and federal. A instructor at Fletsey, the Federal Law

697
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Enforcement Training Center, Air Marshall done a lot of interesting stuff.

698
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>What guy. When you go to rains Ready Studios and

699
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>you take one of our classes, you get the full Chris,

700
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:58.360
<v Speaker 2>the full treatment, and he is intimidating and funny as

701
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>a stand up comic at the same time. It is

702
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.679
<v Speaker 2>just a fun deal to do that, and you definitely

703
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 2>come away with some good training. Shotguns, we did some testing. Boy,

704
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Speaker 2>it goes back ten plus years now. Everybody's always talking

705
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.840
<v Speaker 2>about penetration, wall penetration. Will this thing shoot through walls?

706
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:19.519
<v Speaker 2>We're to go out into the house, or we're to

707
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 2>go into the street. Where to hit your neighbor's house.

708
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.800
<v Speaker 2>So we said, well, let's try this stuff. So we

709
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>built three walls. Each wall had two pieces of sheet rock,

710
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.639
<v Speaker 2>a dry wall, on studs, and then the last one

711
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:39.519
<v Speaker 2>had dry wall and then insulation and then exterior board

712
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>like you have on a house. And I think we

713
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.639
<v Speaker 2>had them ten feet apart just to make it easy,

714
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 2>and we shot them with a lot of different things

715
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 2>just to find out what would go through how many walls,

716
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 2>from air fifteen's to hunting rifles to all manner and

717
00:35:55.480 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>different cartridges of handguns and shotgunloads. So what was interesting.

718
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:09.400
<v Speaker 2>The basic takeaway is that most almost all handgun rounds

719
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.519
<v Speaker 2>would exit the house, would go through all of the walls.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty five nine, three eighty I think three eighty went

721
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.239
<v Speaker 2>through all three of them. Trying to remember twenty two

722
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>is noo. And then rifles yes, hunting rifles yes. But

723
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:33.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what didn't go through all the walls. The

724
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 2>AR fifteen will a full metal jacket bullet over and

725
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.920
<v Speaker 2>over you shoot it. Just the first wall goes through,

726
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.800
<v Speaker 2>turn sideways, hits the second wall probably doesn't go through.

727
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 2>If it does, it doesn't go real far. It might

728
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 2>just hit the third wall. Generally penetrates less than other rounds.

729
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Shotguns were interesting slugs you would expect, and they did.

730
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>They went through all three walls, exited the house. Buck shot. However, Oh,

731
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.239
<v Speaker 2>it went through all three walls and exited the house. Also,

732
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people think, yeah, buck shot, that's not

733
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 2>going to Yes, it will goes through all of them.

734
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Bird shot. No one wall done, and it just spreads

735
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 2>out and it dimples the second wall. And I get it.

736
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Bird SHOT's not ideal. It drives people crazy whenever you

737
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 2>talk about it. But again, I would say to this,

738
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 2>to this to you in certain circumstances, limited circumstances. So

739
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:40.079
<v Speaker 2>you lived in a house trailer and you're concerned about

740
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:44.639
<v Speaker 2>over penetration, and the rooms aren't going to be very large,

741
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and you want a self defense rig, Well, honestly, how

742
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:52.000
<v Speaker 2>far can it be away from you? Ten feet twenty feet?

743
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I would ask you to go to the range with

744
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.079
<v Speaker 2>your shotgun, with a load of sixes bird shot sixes,

745
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>and shoot cardboard targets at five feet not yards feet,

746
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.639
<v Speaker 2>and then ten feet, and then fifteen and twenty feet,

747
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and wash the holes that blows right through them, and

748
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:15.840
<v Speaker 2>ask yourself would this stop an attacker? The answer is, well, yeah,

749
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 2>it would as a matter of fact, certainly would Let's

750
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.440
<v Speaker 2>see a jem. We've got time to get brand in here,

751
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.239
<v Speaker 2>not we don't okay, Brand, hold on, we're gonna get

752
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 2>to you after this break. I don't have quite enough

753
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:26.320
<v Speaker 2>time to get you in, and it wouldn't be fair

754
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.039
<v Speaker 2>to bring you in at this point. But if you

755
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:29.840
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get brand, we'll also have room for you

756
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>if you want to call us eight sixty six Talk

757
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Gun or Tom Talk Gun. Shotguns are a really good option.

758
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<v Speaker 2>One other thing, by the way, you noticed that Chris

759
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:45.280
<v Speaker 2>said at this class, you're gonna get the sling. All

760
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>these shotguns are gonna be equipped with slings, and people

761
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 2>are gonna get training in how to use a sling

762
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 2>with a shotgun. If you have a self defense shotgun

763
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 2>or if you have a self defense ar, it should

764
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.400
<v Speaker 2>be wearing a sling and you should train with that sling.

765
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't know what to do with the

766
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 2>sling on it. That's why we have classes, either ours

767
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 2>or somebody else's, and go get training and learn how

768
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.719
<v Speaker 2>to do it, and then you can practice it. Shooting

769
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>by yourself is not training. Training involves having an instruction.

770
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Simple as that. Don't go far. God talk with me

771
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 2>right now. I mean, I'm having way too much fun

772
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.280
<v Speaker 2>over on X. I just posted a picture I created

773
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.679
<v Speaker 2>out of artificial intelligence. Used AI to create a picture

774
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.679
<v Speaker 2>of a nineteen eleven firing a bullet. Wanted to see

775
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 2>the bullet in the air out of the muzzle. AI

776
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.320
<v Speaker 2>is not as smart as you think. The bullet has

777
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:48.960
<v Speaker 2>two points at forward and backwards. It's just the weirdest thing.

778
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.960
<v Speaker 2>And there's a rifle cartridge piece of brass coming out

779
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>of the top of a nineteen eleven. But it's clever,

780
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 2>it's cute. Okay, never mind so much for AI online too.

781
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Whether it's ad of Wyoming brand, you gotta range report

782
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:03.400
<v Speaker 2>for us, go for it.

783
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 14>Uh you know that promo that you just ran about,

784
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 14>you know, put all your gear on and roll around

785
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 14>on the ground whatever you and then get up and

786
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.000
<v Speaker 14>whatever you don't have you're not going to have in

787
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<v Speaker 14>a fight. Yes, well I kind of did that, and inadvertently.

788
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<v Speaker 14>I drive a truck for a living, and I have

789
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<v Speaker 14>to get underneath the trailer at times to lift an

790
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<v Speaker 14>axle when I'm light and in the course of doing that,

791
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<v Speaker 14>I my holster. I leaned on it and I pushed

792
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<v Speaker 14>the mag release button and I ended up losing the magazine.

793
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<v Speaker 14>So rather than go across country, depositing magazines at various

794
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.159
<v Speaker 14>trucks up. I asked somebody what should I do. I

795
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.559
<v Speaker 14>was gonna, you know, wait until I get home and

796
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<v Speaker 14>run a drill in where the mag where the leather

797
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.760
<v Speaker 14>was pushing on the mag release button. And a friend

798
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 14>just said, launch, just cut it with a knife. And

799
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<v Speaker 14>I'm like, well, there's an idea. So I cut that

800
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 14>section out with a knife and I have not had

801
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.199
<v Speaker 14>a problem since. And I roll all over the ground

802
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:17.239
<v Speaker 14>with my holster on, and I am not suppositing magazines

803
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:18.679
<v Speaker 14>across America anymore.

804
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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's a great point you're making here, which

805
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>is test this stuff. You think, Yeah, I wear it

806
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:26.639
<v Speaker 2>all the time, and people say, well, why would you

807
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 2>be on the ground? Trust me, I always ask people

808
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 2>in the classes, said how many people here have ever

809
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 2>been in a fight, even way back in grade school?

810
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 2>And hands go up, and I said, and during that fight,

811
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 2>how many have you ended up on the ground? And

812
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.360
<v Speaker 2>everybody who's been in a fight ends up on the ground,

813
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:45.760
<v Speaker 2>right right, So yeah, So if you're rolling around on

814
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.199
<v Speaker 2>the ground and your gear is coming apart and you're

815
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.760
<v Speaker 2>dumbing magazines or things are falling off of you, those

816
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:53.679
<v Speaker 2>are things you're not going to have in the rest

817
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:54.159
<v Speaker 2>of the fight.

818
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

819
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<v Speaker 14>So, I mean I never I hear that promo and

820
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.239
<v Speaker 14>I never tried it because I'm like, it's going to

821
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:04.960
<v Speaker 14>hurt if I roll around on the ground. I don't

822
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 14>want to do this, but I had to do it

823
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:10.519
<v Speaker 14>for work, and sure enough I learned the hard way

824
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<v Speaker 14>because I went like a day and a half thinking

825
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.239
<v Speaker 14>I had a loaded gun, and all I had was

826
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<v Speaker 14>the equivalent of a contender on my weight, and all.

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<v Speaker 2>That shot a single shot. All right, a little bit

828
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.159
<v Speaker 2>time we got left. You got to talk about a

829
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<v Speaker 2>Browning M two machine gun.

830
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<v Speaker 8>Louis.

831
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, are you still there?

832
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<v Speaker 14>Yep, I'm back.

833
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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, Now we're losing. I tell you what we're

834
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<v Speaker 2>gonna Well do we do that another time? Brandt? I apologize,

835
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 2>but we're getting out of your getting our cell phone

836
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<v Speaker 2>range with losing you there, Sorry about that. By the way,

837
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<v Speaker 2>if you want to join us on the air here,

838
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and it really doesn't matter if you want to talk

839
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 2>about guns in any former fashion, Second Amendment, pistols, rifle,

840
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 2>shot guns, I don't care. We'll talk about it. Just

841
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<v Speaker 2>give me a call it Tom talk gun. By the way,

842
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.239
<v Speaker 2>the civilian Marksmanship Program CMP just announced they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>make IM fourteens available surplus IM fourteen's. Now, I know

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<v Speaker 2>what you're thinking. The M fourteen is a select fire,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a machine gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nah, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>be that lucky, right, I'd love to have one, But

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to go through the process and deactivate them

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<v Speaker 2>and make them semiauto. I don't think they've published a

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<v Speaker 2>price on them yet, but you can go over to

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<v Speaker 2>the CMP website and take a look Civilian Marksmanship Programs

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<v Speaker 2>website and you can register, go in and sign up

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<v Speaker 2>for the newsletters, and then when they have the information,

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<v Speaker 2>you can get in line to buy. And there's a

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<v Speaker 2>US Army surplus M fourteen rifle from the Civilian Marketmanship

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<v Speaker 2>Program semi auto. But still it's an M fourteen. Very

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<v Speaker 2>cool stuff. Okay, when I come back, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>cool stuff electronic optics. And also, two guys aren't you

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<v Speaker 2>about their place in line and end up shooting each

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<v Speaker 2>other