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thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on

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Speaker 5: Here's Tom.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome again to another episode of Gun Talk. Tom

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Gresham here. If you want to be part of it,

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just give me a call eight sixty six Talk Gun

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or give me a call it Tom Talk Gun. And

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we had a lot of thanks to talking about. We've

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got some cool guns to talk about. We've got an

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incredible class we're going to be offering at our facility

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where you actually walk away with this. Well, it's a

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gun we can't tell you about yet because it's not released.

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But when you take the clash, you will keep the

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gun at the end. That way, we got so many

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cool things to talk about, but I do want to

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get into this right away. This is something I have

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been saying for many, many years that people just get

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not complacent, it's more normalized. And joining me to talk

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about that is Dan wils He is the author of

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the Good Gun, Bad Guy series. There's a Second Amendment Advocate.

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He's the host of the Loaded Micah and Dan. You

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you have a different way of looking at things, and

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I don't know what your perspective or background is, but

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you explain things to people very well in a way

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that often they can't get to by themselves.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, thanks Tom, I appreciate that, and thanks for

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having me on your show. It's always great talking with you.

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Speaker 6: When we talk about background checks, you said it, you

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nail that people it's become normalized.

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Speaker 5: And when things become normalized, in other.

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Speaker 6: Words, they've been around for a while that people start

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to people people they mistake the length of time something's

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been around with legitimacy, and the reality is background checks

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are not legitimate. Background checks are the antithesis to the

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Second Amendment. Our founding fathers when they wrote the Second Amendment.

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They wrote it because they didn't want the government to

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decide who has a gun. And now, over the course

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of time, we've given that, we've given that ability back

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to the government to approve our god given right if

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they choose.

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Speaker 2: So, if they choose, and it's a actually a reversal

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of the innocent until proven guilty concept with a background check.

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Everyone is guilty until you go prove your innocence.

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Speaker 5: Of course, And it's so it's so wrong, it's so

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bad ackwards.

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Speaker 6: And and another problem with that is not only do

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you have to prove your innocence, but when you get

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denied ninety nine percent, depending on what study you look at, it,

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between ninety five and ninety nine percent of the initial

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player arm background check denials are false positives. In other words,

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good people being denied for no good reason. Could be

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any number of reason, mistakes, paperwork errors, whatever. But so

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you're telling me now that over the course of time,

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now I have it's come to the point where I

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have to go to the government hat in hand and

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ask them.

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Speaker 5: For my god given right.

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Speaker 6: And if I and and of all the people they

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deny ninety nine percent of them or false denials you

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got to be kidding me. This is this is ridiculous.

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But Tom, here's the here's the problem. It's been normalized. Yes,

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and not only do people expect it, they you know,

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they're okay with them, They're they're fine with it.

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Speaker 2: You know. And I wanted to show one do I

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want to explain to people where do we get the

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nix the instant background check. It came out of the

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Brady Bill way back, and the Brady Bill required a

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waiting period, and so the instant background check was actually

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put forward by the gun industry to say, look, waiting

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periods are no good. You're you know, denying people their

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ability to buy a gun. So let's put it a

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system where you don't have to wait ten days for

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the law enforcement to check them out. We'll make it instant.

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At the time, it was thought that this was a

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maybe a less bad solution, you know. But you know,

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to your point is that now it is completely We

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have maybe two generations of people that have never known

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anything but having to get a background check. But here's

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the problem, and I want you to pick up on this.

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We getting used to that. And then the gun banners

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come in and say, oh, we have acclimated them to this.

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Now let's ratchet up a little bit. Let's throw in

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something called a universal background check.

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Speaker 5: So frustrating, you know, Tom, it makes me, It gets.

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Speaker 6: Me annoyed when just to hear and hearing the words,

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because it's so true. You give them an inch, she'll

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take them while they're always looking for more. And you're right,

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the universal background check. Some proposals have have wanted federal

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investigations into people for sharing a gun with a friend

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at the range, or handing a gun down to your

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children after you die, or.

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Speaker 2: Learning to your neighbor to go past and hunting for

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the weekend.

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Speaker 6: Exactly, it's so. And here's their justification. They try to

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justify this by saying it'll keep people. Say, first of all,

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it doesn't keep people safe because the bad.

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Speaker 5: Guys, they don't care about the background check system. They

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laugh at it. But the thing is, if the legal.

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Speaker 6: System was working properly, you know, and people could just

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go to the gun shop and buy whatever they.

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Speaker 5: Want, the government doesn't need to know about it, and

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if the bad guys were in jail, there would be

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Speaker 6: But they justify it by saying, well, we got all

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these bad people out on the streets. Well, yeah, because

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you keep storm early release.

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Speaker 2: You know, if they're in jail, they're not committing crime

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on the street. It's kind of a simple concept, but

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it goes against what they want. Now, there's one other

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aspect of this whole thing, as you mentioned, going to

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a gun store. I am old enough to remember being

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able to buy guns at hardware stores when before there

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was such a thing as a Federal Firearms license nineteen

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sixty eight Gun Control Act, and so the Federal Firearms License,

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a licensed gun store is put in there so the

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government can control the flow of guns, who can buy them.

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How it all happens, there should not be an FFL system.

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There should not be a licensed gun store system. Anybody,

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any store anywhere should be able to sell a gun

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without any government records.

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Speaker 6: Well, Tom, you're preaching to the choir, and I hope

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some people are listening who need to hear this, because

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it's absolutely right. This has become who started. You're started

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with the Gun Control Act nineteen sixty eight. That was

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the year I was born, by the way. But you know,

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then we went to the Brady Act in ninety three,

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and then we went to the Knick system in ninety eight.

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can people recognize what's going on here. It's just it's

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unbelievable that we have just kind of said, oh okay,

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you know, and we even have gun owners in our

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own community kind of just accept it. And you know,

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I mean, hey, I kick and scream. I'm one of

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those guys. I hate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know. And you also point out something I'd

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love to get your waigh in on this just a bit.

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You identify one of the key tactics of the gun

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band industry, and that is to get you to look

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at one hand like a magician while they're doing something

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with the other hand. So we get all of our

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people and they respond to the obvious whatever the obvious

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gun control challenge of the day is, and they're spending

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all their energy there, all of their angst on that

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when the gun control movement is actually going back behind

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kind of surreptitiously, quietly, out of sight and doing other things.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's how they do it.

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Speaker 6: And we, you know, we kind of go along, I

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think most of the time innocently just expecting that our

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Second Amendment will protect us.

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Speaker 5: And you know it's not enough. We need to we

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need to protect it.

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Speaker 6: And a lot of times people we sit back and

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we don't do the necessary work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and people get killed for this stuff too,

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Because you know, I was I just wrote an article

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for Donnos in America. Carol Bown was a woman in

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New Jersey who was stabbed to death by the guy

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she was dating. Now, the Jersey government made her wait

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forty three days while they decided whether or not she

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could exercise her god given right. And in that forty

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three days.

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Speaker 6: Even after having restraining orders, and the police knew about

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this guy, and they knew he wanted to hurt her.

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Speaker 5: Forty three days she waited.

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Speaker 6: On the forty third day, he stabbed her to death

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while she waited.

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Speaker 5: For the government to approve her background check.

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Speaker 2: Not the first time we've heard this story before, where

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women apply for a permit to buy the gun, or

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for Carrie permit, but generally even to buy a gun.

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gun to protect herself, while the government's trying to decide

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is she worthy of being able to protect her own life,

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somebody murders her.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a horrible thing, and I think I think

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we have to look at it like, what would our

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founding fathers say if they saw if they were able

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to come back to two thousand, come up here to

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twenty twenty six and see what's going.

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Speaker 5: On, what would they say. They would they would want

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to they would want to slap.

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Speaker 6: Us because no doubt we are abusing our rights.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, kidd all right, So tell people about the

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Good Gun, Bad Guy series.

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Speaker 6: Good Gun, Bad Guys a book series, three book series

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that I have been working on, and it's it talks

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about a lot of the stuff we're talking about today.

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Speaker 7: It talks about a lot of other things related to

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the more of the social aspects of the gun control crowd,

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how they are able to convince society that we need

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more gun restrictions, and how they use their propaganda in

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the narrative.

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Speaker 6: So it's a it's a pretty in depth book series.

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Speaker 2: It's excellent. I mean, I would recommend to anybody who

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if you're really interested in the Second Amendment and how

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the gun control movement actually works, what they really are doing.

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Dan's books are terrific.

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Speaker 6: Dan.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate what you do hosting the Loaded Mike. You're

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working with goa. You got a lot of things going

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my friend.

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Speaker 6: Well, thanks Tom, and if people want to check out

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the book series, they can go to.

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Speaker 5: Good Gun, Bad Guy dot com.

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Speaker 6: Good Gun, Bad Guy dot com and Tom, I.

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Speaker 5: Really appreciate what you're doing as well.

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Speaker 6: You are one of the staples of this of the

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Second Amendment community, and we really appreciate you, and thanks

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for having me on the show.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely by take care all right, don't go far gone.

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Speaker 12: Two hundred and fifty years of American Liberty. Ruger is

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Speaker 2: Two.

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Speaker 12: These aren't just guns.

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Speaker 2: All right. At that time of year when people are

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going out to the range doing a bunch of shooting.

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you can do an early morning session if you're going outdoors.

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And obviously the indoor ranges are available all the time,

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so they're doing a lot of shooting. People are actually

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buying guns because right now it's like they're having a

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huge sale. Everywhere I look. The prices are down, gun

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sales are down slightly. And when sales are down even

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just a little bit, the gun companies come up with

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incentives and programs and sales and so if you look around,

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poke around, you'll find some pretty darn good sales out there.

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So the question I have for you is what are

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you looking at? Anything gotten your attention recently, or maybe

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something you bought, or what have you been taking to

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the range? I asked a question on X a little

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while ago this morning. Essentially it was on average, how

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many guns do you take to the range when you

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go you're going out for the day, you're going out

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for the morning. How many guns do you take to

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go out to shoot? As soon? It's not just one,

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but it might be just one and that's okay, but

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sometimes it's more than one, and sometimes it's a bunch,

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just curious wondering number. Here is Tom talk gun Brett

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called in. He's in Wheatfield, Indiana. Hey, Brad, I appreciate

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your patients. You're on the air. Go ahead, all.

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Speaker 13: Right, Well, last week you had a guest on talking

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about to call the federal or go on line for

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a federal register to you know, make a comment.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, where they got the public notices

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and you can make a comment on here, right, So.

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Speaker 13: I said, okay, but how how so I actually no,

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I'm an old gun. Okay, so you know, computers aren't

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my first thing, but any rate, I figured it out,

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and I was wondering, maybe I'd like to path on

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what I figured and maybe other people would have wouldn't

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have to go to the route of just figuring up

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out themselves. So if you're if you're interested, first you

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go you go to Federalregister dot gov, right, okay. Then

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you answer search and you can put in the term

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or a citation, but you know, just put in atf

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rules for instance, you know, and there's there's a craft load.

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So what you want to do then now is hit Newest.

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Otherwise you're getting stuff from years ago, you know what

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I mean. So the comment period is over, so don't

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waste your time even reading them. So once you're at Newest,

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then you scroll down and you find one you want

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to comment on, but you got to read it carefully

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because you know many of them are in government ease,

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so it can be confusing or maybe just me, I'm

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an idiot, you know, Okay, well, thank you. Uh So

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you pick one and then you make a comment. And

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the thing is the timeands to be a start short.

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As I agree with the rule, it should be changed

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to this or I think it's a bad idea, you

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know either, I mean super you don't have to write

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a paragraph or a couple of sentences and that's all

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you do, and then you pick one again, and pick

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one and then pick another and another and rinse and repeat.

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So I commented on I think two or three. And

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then they give you an opportunity to put your email

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in there so you can, they'll send you a confirmation

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that you can put it in there. And it really

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ended up to be pretty simple once I figured out

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where to go, I guess the most confusing, hardest where

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to go. And then you've got to really read them

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carefully because they go on and on about this they have.

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The other thing is like.

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Speaker 2: What hush, you know, and let me throw out a

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thought here. The other thing, you know, Yeah, you went on.

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You went through the front door and drilled your way

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through and all that, and good on you for having

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the perseverance to do that. The other way to go

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on that, of course, is to get on the mating

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list of the NRA when they're sending out these things,

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or to follow me on x which used to be Twitter,

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where we actually are posting the link to say this

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is the propose and here's the link. And when we

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have the link, you click on that and it takes

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you directly to that proposal so that you can comment

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on it and you can eliminate all of that stuff.

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Speaker 13: Wow, well that would have been easier. But well, I

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am an endownment number of the NA but I don't

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have a Twitter x xyz thing, so I can't get yourself.

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Speaker 2: You know what, if you'll go over to the nra

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ILA website, they've got a like a grassroots deal. You

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get basically an email newsletter and they will send you

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emails regularly and say, here's a proposal, here's the thing,

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here's a comment period. It's just a way, and there

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are other ways to do that. But yeah, but look,

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congratulations for figuring it out and also for taking time

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to come and share that with us. It's once you

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figure it out, you've already gone through the learning curve

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on this. It's not that difficult, is it.

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 13: No, it's then it's really easy. And again, you don't

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have to make a book length thing. Just say I

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think it's a good idea, or I agree or I

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disagree with the change, and that's it. You know you're

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in and out.

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Speaker 2: That sounds good. Look, I appreciate it. They're very good.

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And these are important because these comment periods are open.

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We need to be responding to them because the anti

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gunners do, they get organized, and they have actually taken

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away some of the good measures that we're trying to

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get through at ATF because they simply responded in greater

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numbers than we did. So we got to once again

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get off our rears. Speaking of which, we're one hundred

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days away from midterm elections. The left is energized, the

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right is not. Democrats are energized, Republicans are not. Predictions

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are We're going to get hammered in the midterms, And

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that's certainly true if we don't show up. Basically, the

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world belongs to those who show up, as simple as that.

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So I spent part of the morning this morning watching

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Shooting Sports Life. That is the new television network that

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we created. Somebody said on the line, said, well, I

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thought it was just a network you guys were on. No, no, no,

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it's our network. We have created an entirely new television network.

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It's all about shooting and guns and the shooting lifestyle.

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It's called Shooting Sports Life. If you go to Shooting

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SportsLife dot org or dot com. Rather my mistake. You

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can find it there Shooting SportsLife dot com. So I'm

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watching several of the episodes from First Person Defender, which is,

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if I do say so myself, absolutely excellent some of

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the best thought provoking shows you can watch in terms

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of self defense with guns. What do I do?

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Speaker 14: If?

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Speaker 2: What do I do afterwards?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I never thought of that. Oh wow, there's this time

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there was one attacker, this time there were three attackers.

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Would I do you know?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: He could have gone through that door back there. So

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I'm watching this and they're just all of these teachable

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moments and they're just so good and to the we

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keep seeing the same thing over and over again. Our

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minds tend to be polluted with what we have seen

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on TV shows and in movies. Specifically, if there's a

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scenario where somebody gets attacked and they do, in fact

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use a gun in self defense, and the bad guy

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goes down, and these scenarios, about eight times out of ten,

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the good guy in the scenario will then walk over,

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very carefully walk over to pick up the bad guy's

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gun or to kick the bad guy's gun away. And

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then we ask him afterwards, why did you do that?

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It's like, huh, just because that's all they've ever seen.

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Because that's what happens after shooting. The cops go over

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and kick the gun away. Why stay away from this guy?

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He just tried to kill you. You can walk up

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to him and he reanimates and picks up his gun

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and shoots you. Why aren't you backing away and getting

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behind cover. Why aren't you, you know, going behind a

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building and calling nine one one. You have no reason

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to walk up there and do that. The other one

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that happened, and I just watched it today is a

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guy actually succeeded in the second scenario when they redid

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it by doing nothing. Multiple bad guys robin people. He

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could have shot him, and he didn't let him go.

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Nobody got shot. As simple as that, he wins. Everybody

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wins on that one eight six six Talk gun or

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Tom Talk Gun. That's our number here, be right back,

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all right, it's time to talk about shotguns, because honestly,

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I think maybe shotguns don't get as much attention as

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they should these days. We're joined right now by Chris Serno.

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He's the director of training for Gun Talk Headquarters, range

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Ready Studios. Chris, glad to be here with you. Man.

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Speaker 15: Oh Tom, this is great and it's good to see

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you because we can see each other this.

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Speaker 8: Time for once.

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Speaker 2: I know it's crazy. So if listening to this on

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the radio, they can actually go flip over and they

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can watch the video we're doing. We're going to have

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that on all our channels here shortly. So all right,

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the reason I wanted to have you on, well, we're

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going to talk about several things. But you're doing one

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of our experience classes at range Ready Studios. You might

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want to tell them what their experience thing is.

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 15: So experience is not like any other class we have.

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And now that we have Shooting Sports Life our new

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TV network, we're filming this for an episode of range

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Speaker 2: So if you're here, you get.

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Speaker 15: A cameo appearance on that. Experience is a little bit

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more than training. I mean, you get to be out

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here with us. You get to see the inner workings.

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We got people coming in from Benelli. We've got Greg

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Ellifritz coming in to teach the class as our primary instructor.

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With me, it's it's a lot more and Tom get

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to keep the gun. You get the gun, you get

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the gear, we provide all the AMMO.

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Speaker 2: This is a big deal, all right. So this is

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a brand new shotgun from Benelli and they're going to

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do a shotgun class, the two day class Arrange Ready

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Studios and Greg Alifertz is going to be teaching. And

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here is the real deal. I mean, he is somebody

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who really need to pay attention to. And at the

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end of the class, you get to keep this brand

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new shotgun. Which, by the way, there's a reason that

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Chris is not holding the shotgun right now because we

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can't release it yet. Right.

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Speaker 15: This thing doesn't even launch until sometime in August. And

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I here's what I can tell you about the gun.

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Speaker 8: Tom.

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Speaker 15: It's a Binelli, it's a semi auto. It's a tactical shotgun.

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It looks really really cool and it's a lot of

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fun to shoot. And it's so cool that I'm actually

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going to get one too.

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Speaker 2: That says a lot, because you got access to pretty

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much all the guns out there, and for you to

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say you want one of these, that tells me something.

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00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,559
Speaker 15: Right, the way I see it, Tom, is this is

477
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:56,119
such a nice tactical shotguns it's so modern, so new,

478
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:58,880
so up to dates that I really don't have anything

479
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,839
like this in my safe.

480
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:00,279
Speaker 2: I have.

481
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 15: I've probably got at least a half a dozen Banelles,

482
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,039
if not more. You know, I shot on the three

483
00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:08,559
gun circuit with Bonelli's for a long time, and of

484
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:09,279
course I'm.

485
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: A fan they last they work.

486
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 15: This one is really cool.

487
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: Okay, let's back up. There seems to be I'm gonna

488
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:19,200
get your take on this. My thought is that a

489
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,799
lot of people now don't pay attention to shotguns because

490
00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:24,039
they think, well, for home defense, I've got my ar

491
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,000
I got my pistol, and I think maybe the utility

492
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,680
of a shotgun is lost, particularly on a lot of

493
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,440
the younger, newer shooters.

494
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 8: I'll tell you what.

495
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:38,759
Speaker 15: The shotgun is a great gun. It's funny because just

496
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:42,559
this week I saw something from like palettin press or something,

497
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,839
the old one of those old videos that I start

498
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,079
with a P.

499
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but probably Paladin. It was an old.

500
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 15: Video, older guy talking about shooting through walls and different

501
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,039
guns and different loads with the shotgun, and he ultimately

502
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,920
said that the bird shot load and a twelve gage

503
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,319
shotgun was a great home defense round. Same day, Tom,

504
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:06,119
I see you on an old guns and Gear video

505
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,839
playing on SSL because we keep it playing around here

506
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,640
and there. You are going over and over about the

507
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,200
twelve gage and you had three targets out in front

508
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,640
of you, and you're like, yeah, it's not just a

509
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,039
room sweeper. You still got to aim and it still

510
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,559
delivers the payload. And you think you were at twenty

511
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:24,559
feet and you were just punishing those cardboard targets with

512
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:28,519
no problem to the targets next to them, And it

513
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:30,759
was just funny how this has all come together.

514
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,319
Speaker 2: Well exactly, And think about shotguns. The magic of shotguns

515
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,640
is that you have all these different loads. You have buckshot,

516
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:42,279
bird shots, slugs, and then knowing when to use which.

517
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:43,720
And I know there are people are going to lose

518
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,160
their minds whenever we talk about using bird shot for

519
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,480
home defense. And it's not ideal except when it is,

520
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:53,279
because there could be could be situations where it works,

521
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,559
and people go, that's not going to hurt anybody. I said, really,

522
00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:59,599
walk up to five feet right, five feet from a

523
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,759
target and shoot it with bird shot and watch what happens.

524
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 15: What's your average distance in a room? I mean, let's

525
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,119
talk about ten to fifteen feet in a house and

526
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,039
a load of bird shot. I can't tell you how

527
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:12,359
many people I've seen on the streets back in the

528
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,559
day that still had the wad stuck in that gaping

529
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,759
hole in their chest, lanked dead on the pavement.

530
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: We you know, I you remember, I head head over

531
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,400
it at gun side. Ed would say, you know, you

532
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,359
could shoot people with a rifle or a pistol, he said,

533
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,000
but with a shotgun you disassemble.

534
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,319
Speaker 15: Them one hundred percent. And the great thing about a

535
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:35,880
twelve gage shotgun semi auto shotgun is you can hunt

536
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,279
with it, you can compete with it, you can protect

537
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,519
with it. I keep one. I keep a binlam two

538
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,920
on my side by side in my yard. I mean

539
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,640
it's magnetized, it's six right in there, and I've got

540
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,119
it loaded up for part of their control.

541
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, just about a.

542
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,519
Speaker 15: Month ago, I had a coyote at high noon, thirty

543
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:57,000
feet from my chickens. I managed to get across the

544
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,160
porch out the door and it killed that sucker in

545
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,960
bird shot. I've granted it with six as high brass.

546
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,559
Six is because I want to be able to reach

547
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:07,720
out and touch something. But I killed that thing dead right,

548
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:08,200
that gun.

549
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,079
Speaker 2: Tell me about this class. This is for people to

550
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,759
understand the experienced class. You actually created it to kind

551
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,839
of mimic what gun writers and gun tubers get to

552
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,559
do when they go to a media event where a

553
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:24,720
new product is introduced, and that's actually what's going on here.

554
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,160
This is Banella. You're introducing a new product and there

555
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,000
will be some media people there. But you can sign

556
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:31,960
up for the class. If you go to range Readystudios

557
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,640
dot com you can sign up and you could have

558
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:35,680
that experience. Right.

559
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:40,039
Speaker 15: We just launched this one yesterday, yesterday evening. We've already

560
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:42,880
got people signing up. I don't think everybody's seen their

561
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,160
emails yet. Normally these things sell out in twenty four

562
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,880
to forty eight hours, and we're not at twenty four

563
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720
hours yet and people are signing up, but it is.

564
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,799
It's like a media event. You come in, you get

565
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,880
the VIP treatment. We treat you like family, which is

566
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,200
of course what we do here at range Ready. You

567
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,200
get the key, the gun, you get the sling, you

568
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,319
get the dumpouch, you get all your AMMO provided your

569
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:07,839
targets get hung for you. You don't have to do anything.

570
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:12,559
You get world class world class training. I got Greg

571
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,680
Elliferts coming in. I can't tell you how many people said,

572
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:16,319
are you going to.

573
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 8: Bring in Elfrits for this?

574
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: Are you going to bring in elforts for this?

575
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 15: Of course I'm going to.

576
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:24,319
Speaker 2: You're going to get the training, work class training. The

577
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,799
AMMO is provided, the targets are provided, the accessories, all

578
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,160
this stuff is provided. And at the end of the class,

579
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:31,960
you get to keep the shotgun.

580
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 15: That's right, And if you live here, we are going

581
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:36,400
to let you take it home. We're going to do

582
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,599
the NIXT checks right here. But if you live somewhere

583
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:40,519
out of state, we're gonna ship it to you to

584
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:41,519
your favorite FFL.

585
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:43,559
Speaker 2: It's going to get done, all right. So give me

586
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:46,799
a couple of tips about self defense or shooting shotguns

587
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,279
with people might know but might not know if they're

588
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:50,480
not real familiar with it.

589
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 15: On my home defense shotgun, I've got buckshot in it,

590
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,960
but I also have a side saddle with slugs in it.

591
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,119
I love the idea of being able to reach out

592
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,240
and touch something need to, because predators aren't necessarily always

593
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,400
a two legged predator, so I like to have that versatility.

594
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: But I also like to have some.

595
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 15: High brass sixes something like that that I can reach

596
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,079
out and get those bad predators that are coming in

597
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:16,000
that I need to shoot on the move. That's a

598
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:19,559
lot easier for me. The twelve gage shotgun is just

599
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,960
an extremely versatile and legendary platform. I hate I like

600
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,400
to say firearms platform, Tom because I don't like to

601
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,079
say weapon because it's not a weapon.

602
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,359
Speaker 2: It's so useful.

603
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,119
Speaker 8: It's a tool.

604
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 15: A shotgun is truly a tool.

605
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,799
Speaker 2: No, I like it. Now, do you have any accessories

606
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:37,519
on your personal home defense gun?

607
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 15: On my home defense gun, I personally have a light

608
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,039
and a laser from Crimson Trace, one of our favorite companies,

609
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:47,119
because at night there is no faster way and more

610
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,559
accurate way to shoot a shotgun. I also have a

611
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,240
sling and I keep a side saddle on and mine

612
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,119
is one of those kinds that the thing sticks on,

613
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,279
but then at velcroz, so you can pull that side

614
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:58,720
saddle off if you need to.

615
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,319
Speaker 2: Right the laser. Of course, at night, you just put

616
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:03,759
the dot on it and the SHOT's going to go

617
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:04,599
where the laser is.

618
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,759
Speaker 15: Oh my gosh, I cheek the gun. I look over it.

619
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,799
I tracked the laser just like I would track the

620
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:13,000
beat on a shotgun site. And I can't tell you

621
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:17,079
how many armadillos have met their maker in my yard

622
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:18,079
in the middle of the night.

623
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,359
Speaker 2: You are the predator getter. Bet you want them off

624
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:23,400
of your land, I know. And you got those chickens.

625
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,279
I know you're always looking for the fox and the coyotes. Absolutely.

626
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 15: I mean, I've always got to be honestly, Tom, if

627
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,039
you walk in my house, you're going to see You're

628
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:37,480
gonna see one Banelli on that side by side right away.

629
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,240
There's another one in the living room, and there's another

630
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:43,559
one in my in my bedroom.

631
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 5: I have three.

632
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,839
Speaker 15: Banelli's that are ready to go at all times. And honestly,

633
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,519
it's just kind of my go to weapon.

634
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,559
Speaker 2: All right. I got to tell you a story way

635
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:53,640
way back with Dad was writing for Sports the Field.

636
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,960
He pitch them an idea. He says, look, let's try

637
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,960
a bunch of semi automatic shotguns and just test them

638
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,160
and see how they run. Oh, that sounds great. So

639
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,279
we're at to the local range, invited everybody to come

640
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,039
out free m O shoot clay targets, have a bunch

641
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,680
of fun, put five different shotguns out and just put

642
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,559
a clipboard next to each one and make a note

643
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,920
if you get a malfunction and they just shot them

644
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,920
without clean you're shooting, shoot and shoot. And they just

645
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,640
just went on and one by one these shotguns went down,

646
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,119
and you know, the Banelli kept going until they finally

647
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,119
just had to give up with the test. It never

648
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,839
did stop.

649
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 15: That is fantastic. I mean I've shot you know, I've

650
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,799
got m two Banelli's that were of course modified and

651
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,480
hopped up by Mark Roth from x Rail. I've shot

652
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,240
those guns and three gun for years. I love to

653
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:41,680
shoot the low recoil slugs, the three quarter ounce or

654
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,640
the seven I think there are seven a sounce slugs.

655
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,240
It runs like a sewing machine. And being able to

656
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,720
do that, mine holds twelve plus one. So we're talking

657
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,599
about a lot of slugs. It's a lot of fun,

658
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,359
right you know. You get your low recoil buck, you

659
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:57,319
get to your flight control buck. Those things are great

660
00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,920
options in shotguns, you know. And and of course I

661
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,480
did a big segment last year with some shotguns, and

662
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,400
I did some breaching stuff. You can look it up

663
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,720
online undergun and I did some breaching stuff and I

664
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:13,599
used I used regular breaching rounds, but I also used

665
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,599
bird shot. Of course, with bird shot and breaching, you

666
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,240
gotta worry about secondary you know, projectiles. But a pinch

667
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,240
in an end times, man, you cannot disregard the shotgun

668
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:27,480
for so many tasks.

669
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: All right, what about mini shells?

670
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,359
Speaker 15: Oh well, this one's not going to shoot mini shells,

671
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,200
although we did already shoot.

672
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,759
Speaker 5: Some mini shells through it.

673
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:36,839
Speaker 15: You just got to hand cycle them, Tom, and they

674
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,519
did cycle when we hand cycle them, and it is just.

675
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: Like a little power. It's so little powder buffaloads. So

676
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:49,759
we got the Banelli Shotgun class. The experience coming up

677
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,200
with this gun. We can't tell you any details about,

678
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,640
but it's going to be announced right before the class

679
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:58,839
actually happened, so people will see that. And if you

680
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,599
go to this thing, if you sign, if you're able

681
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:02,839
to get in, you're going to actually get to keep

682
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,559
the gun. Chris, this is phenomenal. I really appreciate you

683
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:06,400
telling us about this.

684
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:11,079
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is September seventeenth and eighteenth. The gun launches

685
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,719
first week of August, so if you've signed up for

686
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,599
the class, you're probably going to get to see what

687
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,159
the gun is. And I would venture to say there

688
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,079
won't be one person that says, oh, no, no, I

689
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:23,960
want to back out of that class because that's just

690
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,599
not my best.

691
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: Now, once they see it, they definitely want to go. Chris,

692
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:29,719
thank you so much. I appreciate sir. Awesome.

693
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 15: Thanks Tom.

694
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: Always fun to chat with Chris. I mean, he is

695
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,360
the real deal. Guy's got tons of experience in law enforcement,

696
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,320
local and federal. A instructor at Fletsey, the Federal Law

697
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,199
Enforcement Training Center, Air Marshall done a lot of interesting stuff.

698
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,239
What guy. When you go to rains Ready Studios and

699
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,880
you take one of our classes, you get the full Chris,

700
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:58,360
the full treatment, and he is intimidating and funny as

701
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,400
a stand up comic at the same time. It is

702
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,679
just a fun deal to do that, and you definitely

703
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:10,559
come away with some good training. Shotguns, we did some testing. Boy,

704
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:14,880
it goes back ten plus years now. Everybody's always talking

705
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,840
about penetration, wall penetration. Will this thing shoot through walls?

706
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,519
We're to go out into the house, or we're to

707
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,400
go into the street. Where to hit your neighbor's house.

708
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,800
So we said, well, let's try this stuff. So we

709
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,800
built three walls. Each wall had two pieces of sheet rock,

710
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:34,639
a dry wall, on studs, and then the last one

711
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:39,519
had dry wall and then insulation and then exterior board

712
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:41,800
like you have on a house. And I think we

713
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,639
had them ten feet apart just to make it easy,

714
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,039
and we shot them with a lot of different things

715
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:49,760
just to find out what would go through how many walls,

716
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:55,440
from air fifteen's to hunting rifles to all manner and

717
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:01,360
different cartridges of handguns and shotgunloads. So what was interesting.

718
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:09,400
The basic takeaway is that most almost all handgun rounds

719
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:15,519
would exit the house, would go through all of the walls.

720
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,400
Forty five nine, three eighty I think three eighty went

721
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,239
through all three of them. Trying to remember twenty two

722
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:30,000
is noo. And then rifles yes, hunting rifles yes. But

723
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,920
you know what didn't go through all the walls. The

724
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,639
AR fifteen will a full metal jacket bullet over and

725
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,920
over you shoot it. Just the first wall goes through,

726
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,800
turn sideways, hits the second wall probably doesn't go through.

727
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,800
If it does, it doesn't go real far. It might

728
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:53,679
just hit the third wall. Generally penetrates less than other rounds.

729
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,880
Shotguns were interesting slugs you would expect, and they did.

730
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:04,440
They went through all three walls, exited the house. Buck shot. However, Oh,

731
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:07,239
it went through all three walls and exited the house. Also,

732
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:09,599
a lot of people think, yeah, buck shot, that's not

733
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:11,559
going to Yes, it will goes through all of them.

734
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:16,719
Bird shot. No one wall done, and it just spreads

735
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,920
out and it dimples the second wall. And I get it.

736
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,920
Bird SHOT's not ideal. It drives people crazy whenever you

737
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,440
talk about it. But again, I would say to this,

738
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:33,000
to this to you in certain circumstances, limited circumstances. So

739
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:40,079
you lived in a house trailer and you're concerned about

740
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,639
over penetration, and the rooms aren't going to be very large,

741
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,000
and you want a self defense rig, Well, honestly, how

742
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:52,000
far can it be away from you? Ten feet twenty feet?

743
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,960
I would ask you to go to the range with

744
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,079
your shotgun, with a load of sixes bird shot sixes,

745
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,440
and shoot cardboard targets at five feet not yards feet,

746
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,639
and then ten feet, and then fifteen and twenty feet,

747
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:11,000
and wash the holes that blows right through them, and

748
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,840
ask yourself would this stop an attacker? The answer is, well, yeah,

749
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,599
it would as a matter of fact, certainly would Let's

750
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:20,440
see a jem. We've got time to get brand in here,

751
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,239
not we don't okay, Brand, hold on, we're gonna get

752
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,039
to you after this break. I don't have quite enough

753
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:26,320
time to get you in, and it wouldn't be fair

754
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,039
to bring you in at this point. But if you

755
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:29,840
we're gonna get brand, we'll also have room for you

756
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,000
if you want to call us eight sixty six Talk

757
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:37,199
Gun or Tom Talk Gun. Shotguns are a really good option.

758
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,239
One other thing, by the way, you noticed that Chris

759
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,280
said at this class, you're gonna get the sling. All

760
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,840
these shotguns are gonna be equipped with slings, and people

761
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,800
are gonna get training in how to use a sling

762
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,800
with a shotgun. If you have a self defense shotgun

763
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:58,119
or if you have a self defense ar, it should

764
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:02,400
be wearing a sling and you should train with that sling.

765
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,840
And if you don't know what to do with the

766
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,679
sling on it. That's why we have classes, either ours

767
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,559
or somebody else's, and go get training and learn how

768
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,719
to do it, and then you can practice it. Shooting

769
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,000
by yourself is not training. Training involves having an instruction.

770
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,840
Simple as that. Don't go far. God talk with me

771
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:31,840
right now. I mean, I'm having way too much fun

772
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,280
over on X. I just posted a picture I created

773
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,679
out of artificial intelligence. Used AI to create a picture

774
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:39,679
of a nineteen eleven firing a bullet. Wanted to see

775
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:43,800
the bullet in the air out of the muzzle. AI

776
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,320
is not as smart as you think. The bullet has

777
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,960
two points at forward and backwards. It's just the weirdest thing.

778
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,960
And there's a rifle cartridge piece of brass coming out

779
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,480
of the top of a nineteen eleven. But it's clever,

780
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:59,599
it's cute. Okay, never mind so much for AI online too.

781
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,519
Whether it's ad of Wyoming brand, you gotta range report

782
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:03,400
for us, go for it.

783
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 14: Uh you know that promo that you just ran about,

784
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,480
you know, put all your gear on and roll around

785
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:11,400
on the ground whatever you and then get up and

786
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,000
whatever you don't have you're not going to have in

787
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:19,039
a fight. Yes, well I kind of did that, and inadvertently.

788
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,800
I drive a truck for a living, and I have

789
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,039
to get underneath the trailer at times to lift an

790
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:31,039
axle when I'm light and in the course of doing that,

791
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,280
I my holster. I leaned on it and I pushed

792
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,440
the mag release button and I ended up losing the magazine.

793
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:47,159
So rather than go across country, depositing magazines at various

794
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:52,159
trucks up. I asked somebody what should I do. I

795
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,559
was gonna, you know, wait until I get home and

796
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,800
run a drill in where the mag where the leather

797
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,760
was pushing on the mag release button. And a friend

798
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,559
just said, launch, just cut it with a knife. And

799
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:07,320
I'm like, well, there's an idea. So I cut that

800
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,760
section out with a knife and I have not had

801
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,199
a problem since. And I roll all over the ground

802
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,239
with my holster on, and I am not suppositing magazines

803
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,679
across America anymore.

804
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: You know. It's a great point you're making here, which

805
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,360
is test this stuff. You think, Yeah, I wear it

806
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,639
all the time, and people say, well, why would you

807
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,320
be on the ground? Trust me, I always ask people

808
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,360
in the classes, said how many people here have ever

809
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,519
been in a fight, even way back in grade school?

810
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:36,760
And hands go up, and I said, and during that fight,

811
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,760
how many have you ended up on the ground? And

812
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,360
everybody who's been in a fight ends up on the ground,

813
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,760
right right, So yeah, So if you're rolling around on

814
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,199
the ground and your gear is coming apart and you're

815
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,760
dumbing magazines or things are falling off of you, those

816
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,679
are things you're not going to have in the rest

817
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,159
of the fight.

818
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:57,559
Speaker 6: Yeah.

819
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:01,119
Speaker 14: So, I mean I never I hear that promo and

820
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:03,239
I never tried it because I'm like, it's going to

821
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,960
hurt if I roll around on the ground. I don't

822
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,559
want to do this, but I had to do it

823
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,519
for work, and sure enough I learned the hard way

824
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,199
because I went like a day and a half thinking

825
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,239
I had a loaded gun, and all I had was

826
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,239
the equivalent of a contender on my weight, and all.

827
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: That shot a single shot. All right, a little bit

828
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,159
time we got left. You got to talk about a

829
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,159
Browning M two machine gun.

830
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 8: Louis.

831
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: Oh, are you still there?

832
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 14: Yep, I'm back.

833
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Now we're losing. I tell you what we're

834
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,599
gonna Well do we do that another time? Brandt? I apologize,

835
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:44,440
but we're getting out of your getting our cell phone

836
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,480
range with losing you there, Sorry about that. By the way,

837
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:49,519
if you want to join us on the air here,

838
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,320
and it really doesn't matter if you want to talk

839
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,519
about guns in any former fashion, Second Amendment, pistols, rifle,

840
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:56,599
shot guns, I don't care. We'll talk about it. Just

841
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,880
give me a call it Tom talk gun. By the way,

842
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,239
the civilian Marksmanship Program CMP just announced they're going to

843
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,960
make IM fourteens available surplus IM fourteen's. Now, I know

844
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,760
what you're thinking. The M fourteen is a select fire,

845
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,719
it's a machine gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nah, we can't

846
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,880
be that lucky, right, I'd love to have one, But

847
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000
they're going to go through the process and deactivate them

848
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,719
and make them semiauto. I don't think they've published a

849
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,920
price on them yet, but you can go over to

850
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,840
the CMP website and take a look Civilian Marksmanship Programs

851
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,159
website and you can register, go in and sign up

852
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,639
for the newsletters, and then when they have the information,

853
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,320
you can get in line to buy. And there's a

854
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:44,039
US Army surplus M fourteen rifle from the Civilian Marketmanship

855
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,599
Program semi auto. But still it's an M fourteen. Very

856
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:51,199
cool stuff. Okay, when I come back, let's talk about

857
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,119
cool stuff electronic optics. And also, two guys aren't you

858
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:59,039
about their place in line and end up shooting each

859
00:43:59,079 --> 00:43:59,280
other