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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome again to another episode of Gun Talk. Tom
Gresham here. If you want to be part of it,
just give me a call eight sixty six Talk Gun
or give me a call it Tom Talk Gun. And
we had a lot of thanks to talking about. We've
got some cool guns to talk about. We've got an
incredible class we're going to be offering at our facility
where you actually walk away with this. Well, it's a
gun we can't tell you about yet because it's not released.
But when you take the clash, you will keep the
gun at the end. That way, we got so many
cool things to talk about, but I do want to
get into this right away. This is something I have
been saying for many, many years that people just get
not complacent, it's more normalized. And joining me to talk
about that is Dan wils He is the author of
the Good Gun, Bad Guy series. There's a Second Amendment Advocate.
He's the host of the Loaded Micah and Dan. You
you have a different way of looking at things, and
I don't know what your perspective or background is, but
you explain things to people very well in a way
that often they can't get to by themselves.
Speaker 5: Well, well, thanks Tom, I appreciate that, and thanks for
having me on your show. It's always great talking with you.
Speaker 6: When we talk about background checks, you said it, you
nail that people it's become normalized.
Speaker 5: And when things become normalized, in other.
Speaker 6: Words, they've been around for a while that people start
to people people they mistake the length of time something's
been around with legitimacy, and the reality is background checks
are not legitimate. Background checks are the antithesis to the
Second Amendment. Our founding fathers when they wrote the Second Amendment.
They wrote it because they didn't want the government to
decide who has a gun. And now, over the course
of time, we've given that, we've given that ability back
to the government to approve our god given right if
they choose.
Speaker 2: So, if they choose, and it's a actually a reversal
of the innocent until proven guilty concept with a background check.
Everyone is guilty until you go prove your innocence.
Speaker 5: Of course, And it's so it's so wrong, it's so
bad ackwards.
Speaker 6: And and another problem with that is not only do
you have to prove your innocence, but when you get
denied ninety nine percent, depending on what study you look at, it,
between ninety five and ninety nine percent of the initial
player arm background check denials are false positives. In other words,
good people being denied for no good reason. Could be
any number of reason, mistakes, paperwork errors, whatever. But so
you're telling me now that over the course of time,
now I have it's come to the point where I
have to go to the government hat in hand and
ask them.
Speaker 5: For my god given right.
Speaker 6: And if I and and of all the people they
deny ninety nine percent of them or false denials you
got to be kidding me. This is this is ridiculous.
But Tom, here's the here's the problem. It's been normalized. Yes,
and not only do people expect it, they you know,
they're okay with them, They're they're fine with it.
Speaker 2: You know. And I wanted to show one do I
want to explain to people where do we get the
nix the instant background check. It came out of the
Brady Bill way back, and the Brady Bill required a
waiting period, and so the instant background check was actually
put forward by the gun industry to say, look, waiting
periods are no good. You're you know, denying people their
ability to buy a gun. So let's put it a
system where you don't have to wait ten days for
the law enforcement to check them out. We'll make it instant.
At the time, it was thought that this was a
maybe a less bad solution, you know. But you know,
to your point is that now it is completely We
have maybe two generations of people that have never known
anything but having to get a background check. But here's
the problem, and I want you to pick up on this.
We getting used to that. And then the gun banners
come in and say, oh, we have acclimated them to this.
Now let's ratchet up a little bit. Let's throw in
something called a universal background check.
Speaker 5: So frustrating, you know, Tom, it makes me, It gets.
Speaker 6: Me annoyed when just to hear and hearing the words,
because it's so true. You give them an inch, she'll
take them while they're always looking for more. And you're right,
the universal background check. Some proposals have have wanted federal
investigations into people for sharing a gun with a friend
at the range, or handing a gun down to your
children after you die, or.
Speaker 2: Learning to your neighbor to go past and hunting for
the weekend.
Speaker 6: Exactly, it's so. And here's their justification. They try to
justify this by saying it'll keep people. Say, first of all,
it doesn't keep people safe because the bad.
Speaker 5: Guys, they don't care about the background check system. They
laugh at it. But the thing is, if the legal.
Speaker 6: System was working properly, you know, and people could just
go to the gun shop and buy whatever they.
Speaker 5: Want, the government doesn't need to know about it, and
if the bad guys were in jail, there would be
no problem.
Speaker 6: But they justify it by saying, well, we got all
these bad people out on the streets. Well, yeah, because
you keep storm early release.
Speaker 2: You know, if they're in jail, they're not committing crime
on the street. It's kind of a simple concept, but
it goes against what they want. Now, there's one other
aspect of this whole thing, as you mentioned, going to
a gun store. I am old enough to remember being
able to buy guns at hardware stores when before there
was such a thing as a Federal Firearms license nineteen
sixty eight Gun Control Act, and so the Federal Firearms License,
a licensed gun store is put in there so the
government can control the flow of guns, who can buy them.
How it all happens, there should not be an FFL system.
There should not be a licensed gun store system. Anybody,
any store anywhere should be able to sell a gun
without any government records.
Speaker 6: Well, Tom, you're preaching to the choir, and I hope
some people are listening who need to hear this, because
it's absolutely right. This has become who started. You're started
with the Gun Control Act nineteen sixty eight. That was
the year I was born, by the way. But you know,
then we went to the Brady Act in ninety three,
and then we went to the Knick system in ninety eight.
This has been a progression. Can we see this, you know,
can people recognize what's going on here. It's just it's
unbelievable that we have just kind of said, oh okay,
you know, and we even have gun owners in our
own community kind of just accept it. And you know,
I mean, hey, I kick and scream. I'm one of
those guys. I hate it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know. And you also point out something I'd
love to get your waigh in on this just a bit.
You identify one of the key tactics of the gun
band industry, and that is to get you to look
at one hand like a magician while they're doing something
with the other hand. So we get all of our
people and they respond to the obvious whatever the obvious
gun control challenge of the day is, and they're spending
all their energy there, all of their angst on that
when the gun control movement is actually going back behind
kind of surreptitiously, quietly, out of sight and doing other things.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's how they do it.
Speaker 6: And we, you know, we kind of go along, I
think most of the time innocently just expecting that our
Second Amendment will protect us.
Speaker 5: And you know it's not enough. We need to we
need to protect it.
Speaker 6: And a lot of times people we sit back and
we don't do the necessary work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and people get killed for this stuff too,
Because you know, I was I just wrote an article
for Donnos in America. Carol Bown was a woman in
New Jersey who was stabbed to death by the guy
she was dating. Now, the Jersey government made her wait
forty three days while they decided whether or not she
could exercise her god given right. And in that forty
three days.
Speaker 6: Even after having restraining orders, and the police knew about
this guy, and they knew he wanted to hurt her.
Speaker 5: Forty three days she waited.
Speaker 6: On the forty third day, he stabbed her to death
while she waited.
Speaker 5: For the government to approve her background check.
Speaker 2: Not the first time we've heard this story before, where
women apply for a permit to buy the gun, or
for Carrie permit, but generally even to buy a gun.
And during that period of time, because she wanted this
gun to protect herself, while the government's trying to decide
is she worthy of being able to protect her own life,
somebody murders her.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a horrible thing, and I think I think
we have to look at it like, what would our
founding fathers say if they saw if they were able
to come back to two thousand, come up here to
twenty twenty six and see what's going.
Speaker 5: On, what would they say. They would they would want
to they would want to slap.
Speaker 6: Us because no doubt we are abusing our rights.
Speaker 2: Oh no, kidd all right, So tell people about the
Good Gun, Bad Guy series.
Speaker 6: Good Gun, Bad Guys a book series, three book series
that I have been working on, and it's it talks
about a lot of the stuff we're talking about today.
Speaker 7: It talks about a lot of other things related to
the more of the social aspects of the gun control crowd,
how they are able to convince society that we need
more gun restrictions, and how they use their propaganda in
the narrative.
Speaker 6: So it's a it's a pretty in depth book series.
Speaker 2: It's excellent. I mean, I would recommend to anybody who
if you're really interested in the Second Amendment and how
the gun control movement actually works, what they really are doing.
Dan's books are terrific.
Speaker 6: Dan.
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you do hosting the Loaded Mike. You're
working with goa. You got a lot of things going
my friend.
Speaker 6: Well, thanks Tom, and if people want to check out
the book series, they can go to.
Speaker 5: Good Gun, Bad Guy dot com.
Speaker 6: Good Gun, Bad Guy dot com and Tom, I.
Speaker 5: Really appreciate what you're doing as well.
Speaker 6: You are one of the staples of this of the
Second Amendment community, and we really appreciate you, and thanks
for having me on the show.
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Speaker 2: All right. At that time of year when people are
going out to the range doing a bunch of shooting.
You know, the weather's good, well, sometimes it's hot, but
you can do an early morning session if you're going outdoors.
And obviously the indoor ranges are available all the time,
so they're doing a lot of shooting. People are actually
buying guns because right now it's like they're having a
huge sale. Everywhere I look. The prices are down, gun
sales are down slightly. And when sales are down even
just a little bit, the gun companies come up with
incentives and programs and sales and so if you look around,
poke around, you'll find some pretty darn good sales out there.
So the question I have for you is what are
you looking at? Anything gotten your attention recently, or maybe
something you bought, or what have you been taking to
the range? I asked a question on X a little
while ago this morning. Essentially it was on average, how
many guns do you take to the range when you
go you're going out for the day, you're going out
for the morning. How many guns do you take to
go out to shoot? As soon? It's not just one,
but it might be just one and that's okay, but
sometimes it's more than one, and sometimes it's a bunch,
just curious wondering number. Here is Tom talk gun Brett
called in. He's in Wheatfield, Indiana. Hey, Brad, I appreciate
your patients. You're on the air. Go ahead, all.
Speaker 13: Right, Well, last week you had a guest on talking
about to call the federal or go on line for
a federal register to you know, make a comment.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, where they got the public notices
and you can make a comment on here, right, So.
Speaker 13: I said, okay, but how how so I actually no,
I'm an old gun. Okay, so you know, computers aren't
my first thing, but any rate, I figured it out,
and I was wondering, maybe I'd like to path on
what I figured and maybe other people would have wouldn't
have to go to the route of just figuring up
out themselves. So if you're if you're interested, first you
go you go to Federalregister dot gov, right, okay. Then
you answer search and you can put in the term
or a citation, but you know, just put in atf
rules for instance, you know, and there's there's a craft load.
So what you want to do then now is hit Newest.
Otherwise you're getting stuff from years ago, you know what
I mean. So the comment period is over, so don't
waste your time even reading them. So once you're at Newest,
then you scroll down and you find one you want
to comment on, but you got to read it carefully
because you know many of them are in government ease,
so it can be confusing or maybe just me, I'm
an idiot, you know, Okay, well, thank you. Uh So
you pick one and then you make a comment. And
the thing is the timeands to be a start short.
As I agree with the rule, it should be changed
to this or I think it's a bad idea, you
know either, I mean super you don't have to write
a paragraph or a couple of sentences and that's all
you do, and then you pick one again, and pick
one and then pick another and another and rinse and repeat.
So I commented on I think two or three. And
then they give you an opportunity to put your email
in there so you can, they'll send you a confirmation
that you can put it in there. And it really
ended up to be pretty simple once I figured out
where to go, I guess the most confusing, hardest where
to go. And then you've got to really read them
carefully because they go on and on about this they have.
The other thing is like.
Speaker 2: What hush, you know, and let me throw out a
thought here. The other thing, you know, Yeah, you went on.
You went through the front door and drilled your way
through and all that, and good on you for having
the perseverance to do that. The other way to go
on that, of course, is to get on the mating
list of the NRA when they're sending out these things,
or to follow me on x which used to be Twitter,
where we actually are posting the link to say this
is the propose and here's the link. And when we
have the link, you click on that and it takes
you directly to that proposal so that you can comment
on it and you can eliminate all of that stuff.
Speaker 13: Wow, well that would have been easier. But well, I
am an endownment number of the NA but I don't
have a Twitter x xyz thing, so I can't get yourself.
Speaker 2: You know what, if you'll go over to the nra
ILA website, they've got a like a grassroots deal. You
get basically an email newsletter and they will send you
emails regularly and say, here's a proposal, here's the thing,
here's a comment period. It's just a way, and there
are other ways to do that. But yeah, but look,
congratulations for figuring it out and also for taking time
to come and share that with us. It's once you
figure it out, you've already gone through the learning curve
on this. It's not that difficult, is it.
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 13: No, it's then it's really easy. And again, you don't
have to make a book length thing. Just say I
think it's a good idea, or I agree or I
disagree with the change, and that's it. You know you're
in and out.
Speaker 2: That sounds good. Look, I appreciate it. They're very good.
And these are important because these comment periods are open.
We need to be responding to them because the anti
gunners do, they get organized, and they have actually taken
away some of the good measures that we're trying to
get through at ATF because they simply responded in greater
numbers than we did. So we got to once again
get off our rears. Speaking of which, we're one hundred
days away from midterm elections. The left is energized, the
right is not. Democrats are energized, Republicans are not. Predictions
are We're going to get hammered in the midterms, And
that's certainly true if we don't show up. Basically, the
world belongs to those who show up, as simple as that.
So I spent part of the morning this morning watching
Shooting Sports Life. That is the new television network that
we created. Somebody said on the line, said, well, I
thought it was just a network you guys were on. No, no, no,
it's our network. We have created an entirely new television network.
It's all about shooting and guns and the shooting lifestyle.
It's called Shooting Sports Life. If you go to Shooting
SportsLife dot org or dot com. Rather my mistake. You
can find it there Shooting SportsLife dot com. So I'm
watching several of the episodes from First Person Defender, which is,
if I do say so myself, absolutely excellent some of
the best thought provoking shows you can watch in terms
of self defense with guns. What do I do?
Speaker 14: If?
Speaker 2: What do I do afterwards?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: I never thought of that. Oh wow, there's this time
there was one attacker, this time there were three attackers.
Would I do you know?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: He could have gone through that door back there. So
I'm watching this and they're just all of these teachable
moments and they're just so good and to the we
keep seeing the same thing over and over again. Our
minds tend to be polluted with what we have seen
on TV shows and in movies. Specifically, if there's a
scenario where somebody gets attacked and they do, in fact
use a gun in self defense, and the bad guy
goes down, and these scenarios, about eight times out of ten,
the good guy in the scenario will then walk over,
very carefully walk over to pick up the bad guy's
gun or to kick the bad guy's gun away. And
then we ask him afterwards, why did you do that?
It's like, huh, just because that's all they've ever seen.
Because that's what happens after shooting. The cops go over
and kick the gun away. Why stay away from this guy?
He just tried to kill you. You can walk up
to him and he reanimates and picks up his gun
and shoots you. Why aren't you backing away and getting
behind cover. Why aren't you, you know, going behind a
building and calling nine one one. You have no reason
to walk up there and do that. The other one
that happened, and I just watched it today is a
guy actually succeeded in the second scenario when they redid
it by doing nothing. Multiple bad guys robin people. He
could have shot him, and he didn't let him go.
Nobody got shot. As simple as that, he wins. Everybody
wins on that one eight six six Talk gun or
Tom Talk Gun. That's our number here, be right back,
all right, it's time to talk about shotguns, because honestly,
I think maybe shotguns don't get as much attention as
they should these days. We're joined right now by Chris Serno.
He's the director of training for Gun Talk Headquarters, range
Ready Studios. Chris, glad to be here with you. Man.
Speaker 15: Oh Tom, this is great and it's good to see
you because we can see each other this.
Speaker 8: Time for once.
Speaker 2: I know it's crazy. So if listening to this on
the radio, they can actually go flip over and they
can watch the video we're doing. We're going to have
that on all our channels here shortly. So all right,
the reason I wanted to have you on, well, we're
going to talk about several things. But you're doing one
of our experience classes at range Ready Studios. You might
want to tell them what their experience thing is.
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 15: So experience is not like any other class we have.
And now that we have Shooting Sports Life our new
TV network, we're filming this for an episode of range
Ready TV.
Speaker 2: So if you're here, you get.
Speaker 15: A cameo appearance on that. Experience is a little bit
more than training. I mean, you get to be out
here with us. You get to see the inner workings.
We got people coming in from Benelli. We've got Greg
Ellifritz coming in to teach the class as our primary instructor.
With me, it's it's a lot more and Tom get
to keep the gun. You get the gun, you get
the gear, we provide all the AMMO.
Speaker 2: This is a big deal, all right. So this is
a brand new shotgun from Benelli and they're going to
do a shotgun class, the two day class Arrange Ready
Studios and Greg Alifertz is going to be teaching. And
here is the real deal. I mean, he is somebody
who really need to pay attention to. And at the
end of the class, you get to keep this brand
new shotgun. Which, by the way, there's a reason that
Chris is not holding the shotgun right now because we
can't release it yet. Right.
Speaker 15: This thing doesn't even launch until sometime in August. And
I here's what I can tell you about the gun.
Speaker 8: Tom.
Speaker 15: It's a Binelli, it's a semi auto. It's a tactical shotgun.
It looks really really cool and it's a lot of
fun to shoot. And it's so cool that I'm actually
going to get one too.
Speaker 2: That says a lot, because you got access to pretty
much all the guns out there, and for you to
say you want one of these, that tells me something.
Speaker 15: Right, the way I see it, Tom, is this is
such a nice tactical shotguns it's so modern, so new,
so up to dates that I really don't have anything
like this in my safe.
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 15: I've probably got at least a half a dozen Banelles,
if not more. You know, I shot on the three
gun circuit with Bonelli's for a long time, and of
course I'm.
Speaker 2: A fan they last they work.
Speaker 15: This one is really cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's back up. There seems to be I'm gonna
get your take on this. My thought is that a
lot of people now don't pay attention to shotguns because
they think, well, for home defense, I've got my ar
I got my pistol, and I think maybe the utility
of a shotgun is lost, particularly on a lot of
the younger, newer shooters.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 15: The shotgun is a great gun. It's funny because just
this week I saw something from like palettin press or something,
the old one of those old videos that I start
with a P.
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but probably Paladin. It was an old.
Speaker 15: Video, older guy talking about shooting through walls and different
guns and different loads with the shotgun, and he ultimately
said that the bird shot load and a twelve gage
shotgun was a great home defense round. Same day, Tom,
I see you on an old guns and Gear video
playing on SSL because we keep it playing around here
and there. You are going over and over about the
twelve gage and you had three targets out in front
of you, and you're like, yeah, it's not just a
room sweeper. You still got to aim and it still
delivers the payload. And you think you were at twenty
feet and you were just punishing those cardboard targets with
no problem to the targets next to them, And it
was just funny how this has all come together.
Speaker 2: Well exactly, And think about shotguns. The magic of shotguns
is that you have all these different loads. You have buckshot,
bird shots, slugs, and then knowing when to use which.
And I know there are people are going to lose
their minds whenever we talk about using bird shot for
home defense. And it's not ideal except when it is,
because there could be could be situations where it works,
and people go, that's not going to hurt anybody. I said, really,
walk up to five feet right, five feet from a
target and shoot it with bird shot and watch what happens.
Speaker 15: What's your average distance in a room? I mean, let's
talk about ten to fifteen feet in a house and
a load of bird shot. I can't tell you how
many people I've seen on the streets back in the
day that still had the wad stuck in that gaping
hole in their chest, lanked dead on the pavement.
Speaker 2: We you know, I you remember, I head head over
it at gun side. Ed would say, you know, you
could shoot people with a rifle or a pistol, he said,
but with a shotgun you disassemble.
Speaker 15: Them one hundred percent. And the great thing about a
twelve gage shotgun semi auto shotgun is you can hunt
with it, you can compete with it, you can protect
with it. I keep one. I keep a binlam two
on my side by side in my yard. I mean
it's magnetized, it's six right in there, and I've got
it loaded up for part of their control.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, just about a.
Speaker 15: Month ago, I had a coyote at high noon, thirty
feet from my chickens. I managed to get across the
porch out the door and it killed that sucker in
bird shot. I've granted it with six as high brass.
Six is because I want to be able to reach
out and touch something. But I killed that thing dead right,
that gun.
Speaker 2: Tell me about this class. This is for people to
understand the experienced class. You actually created it to kind
of mimic what gun writers and gun tubers get to
do when they go to a media event where a
new product is introduced, and that's actually what's going on here.
This is Banella. You're introducing a new product and there
will be some media people there. But you can sign
up for the class. If you go to range Readystudios
dot com you can sign up and you could have
that experience. Right.
Speaker 15: We just launched this one yesterday, yesterday evening. We've already
got people signing up. I don't think everybody's seen their
emails yet. Normally these things sell out in twenty four
to forty eight hours, and we're not at twenty four
hours yet and people are signing up, but it is.
It's like a media event. You come in, you get
the VIP treatment. We treat you like family, which is
of course what we do here at range Ready. You
get the key, the gun, you get the sling, you
get the dumpouch, you get all your AMMO provided your
targets get hung for you. You don't have to do anything.
You get world class world class training. I got Greg
Elliferts coming in. I can't tell you how many people said,
are you going to.
Speaker 8: Bring in Elfrits for this?
Speaker 2: Are you going to bring in elforts for this?
Speaker 15: Of course I'm going to.
Speaker 2: You're going to get the training, work class training. The
AMMO is provided, the targets are provided, the accessories, all
this stuff is provided. And at the end of the class,
you get to keep the shotgun.
Speaker 15: That's right, And if you live here, we are going
to let you take it home. We're going to do
the NIXT checks right here. But if you live somewhere
out of state, we're gonna ship it to you to
your favorite FFL.
Speaker 2: It's going to get done, all right. So give me
a couple of tips about self defense or shooting shotguns
with people might know but might not know if they're
not real familiar with it.
Speaker 15: On my home defense shotgun, I've got buckshot in it,
but I also have a side saddle with slugs in it.
I love the idea of being able to reach out
and touch something need to, because predators aren't necessarily always
a two legged predator, so I like to have that versatility.
Speaker 5: But I also like to have some.
Speaker 15: High brass sixes something like that that I can reach
out and get those bad predators that are coming in
that I need to shoot on the move. That's a
lot easier for me. The twelve gage shotgun is just
an extremely versatile and legendary platform. I hate I like
to say firearms platform, Tom because I don't like to
say weapon because it's not a weapon.
Speaker 2: It's so useful.
Speaker 8: It's a tool.
Speaker 15: A shotgun is truly a tool.
Speaker 2: No, I like it. Now, do you have any accessories
on your personal home defense gun?
Speaker 15: On my home defense gun, I personally have a light
and a laser from Crimson Trace, one of our favorite companies,
because at night there is no faster way and more
accurate way to shoot a shotgun. I also have a
sling and I keep a side saddle on and mine
is one of those kinds that the thing sticks on,
but then at velcroz, so you can pull that side
saddle off if you need to.
Speaker 2: Right the laser. Of course, at night, you just put
the dot on it and the SHOT's going to go
where the laser is.
Speaker 15: Oh my gosh, I cheek the gun. I look over it.
I tracked the laser just like I would track the
beat on a shotgun site. And I can't tell you
how many armadillos have met their maker in my yard
in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: You are the predator getter. Bet you want them off
of your land, I know. And you got those chickens.
I know you're always looking for the fox and the coyotes. Absolutely.
Speaker 15: I mean, I've always got to be honestly, Tom, if
you walk in my house, you're going to see You're
gonna see one Banelli on that side by side right away.
There's another one in the living room, and there's another
one in my in my bedroom.
Speaker 5: I have three.
Speaker 15: Banelli's that are ready to go at all times. And honestly,
it's just kind of my go to weapon.
Speaker 2: All right. I got to tell you a story way
way back with Dad was writing for Sports the Field.
He pitch them an idea. He says, look, let's try
a bunch of semi automatic shotguns and just test them
and see how they run. Oh, that sounds great. So
we're at to the local range, invited everybody to come
out free m O shoot clay targets, have a bunch
of fun, put five different shotguns out and just put
a clipboard next to each one and make a note
if you get a malfunction and they just shot them
without clean you're shooting, shoot and shoot. And they just
just went on and one by one these shotguns went down,
and you know, the Banelli kept going until they finally
just had to give up with the test. It never
did stop.
Speaker 15: That is fantastic. I mean I've shot you know, I've
got m two Banelli's that were of course modified and
hopped up by Mark Roth from x Rail. I've shot
those guns and three gun for years. I love to
shoot the low recoil slugs, the three quarter ounce or
the seven I think there are seven a sounce slugs.
It runs like a sewing machine. And being able to
do that, mine holds twelve plus one. So we're talking
about a lot of slugs. It's a lot of fun,
right you know. You get your low recoil buck, you
get to your flight control buck. Those things are great
options in shotguns, you know. And and of course I
did a big segment last year with some shotguns, and
I did some breaching stuff. You can look it up
online undergun and I did some breaching stuff and I
used I used regular breaching rounds, but I also used
bird shot. Of course, with bird shot and breaching, you
gotta worry about secondary you know, projectiles. But a pinch
in an end times, man, you cannot disregard the shotgun
for so many tasks.
Speaker 2: All right, what about mini shells?
Speaker 15: Oh well, this one's not going to shoot mini shells,
although we did already shoot.
Speaker 5: Some mini shells through it.
Speaker 15: You just got to hand cycle them, Tom, and they
did cycle when we hand cycle them, and it is just.
Speaker 2: Like a little power. It's so little powder buffaloads. So
we got the Banelli Shotgun class. The experience coming up
with this gun. We can't tell you any details about,
but it's going to be announced right before the class
actually happened, so people will see that. And if you
go to this thing, if you sign, if you're able
to get in, you're going to actually get to keep
the gun. Chris, this is phenomenal. I really appreciate you
telling us about this.
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is September seventeenth and eighteenth. The gun launches
first week of August, so if you've signed up for
the class, you're probably going to get to see what
the gun is. And I would venture to say there
won't be one person that says, oh, no, no, I
want to back out of that class because that's just
not my best.
Speaker 2: Now, once they see it, they definitely want to go. Chris,
thank you so much. I appreciate sir. Awesome.
Speaker 15: Thanks Tom.
Speaker 2: Always fun to chat with Chris. I mean, he is
the real deal. Guy's got tons of experience in law enforcement,
local and federal. A instructor at Fletsey, the Federal Law
Enforcement Training Center, Air Marshall done a lot of interesting stuff.
What guy. When you go to rains Ready Studios and
you take one of our classes, you get the full Chris,
the full treatment, and he is intimidating and funny as
a stand up comic at the same time. It is
just a fun deal to do that, and you definitely
come away with some good training. Shotguns, we did some testing. Boy,
it goes back ten plus years now. Everybody's always talking
about penetration, wall penetration. Will this thing shoot through walls?
We're to go out into the house, or we're to
go into the street. Where to hit your neighbor's house.
So we said, well, let's try this stuff. So we
built three walls. Each wall had two pieces of sheet rock,
a dry wall, on studs, and then the last one
had dry wall and then insulation and then exterior board
like you have on a house. And I think we
had them ten feet apart just to make it easy,
and we shot them with a lot of different things
just to find out what would go through how many walls,
from air fifteen's to hunting rifles to all manner and
different cartridges of handguns and shotgunloads. So what was interesting.
The basic takeaway is that most almost all handgun rounds
would exit the house, would go through all of the walls.
Forty five nine, three eighty I think three eighty went
through all three of them. Trying to remember twenty two
is noo. And then rifles yes, hunting rifles yes. But
you know what didn't go through all the walls. The
AR fifteen will a full metal jacket bullet over and
over you shoot it. Just the first wall goes through,
turn sideways, hits the second wall probably doesn't go through.
If it does, it doesn't go real far. It might
just hit the third wall. Generally penetrates less than other rounds.
Shotguns were interesting slugs you would expect, and they did.
They went through all three walls, exited the house. Buck shot. However, Oh,
it went through all three walls and exited the house. Also,
a lot of people think, yeah, buck shot, that's not
going to Yes, it will goes through all of them.
Bird shot. No one wall done, and it just spreads
out and it dimples the second wall. And I get it.
Bird SHOT's not ideal. It drives people crazy whenever you
talk about it. But again, I would say to this,
to this to you in certain circumstances, limited circumstances. So
you lived in a house trailer and you're concerned about
over penetration, and the rooms aren't going to be very large,
and you want a self defense rig, Well, honestly, how
far can it be away from you? Ten feet twenty feet?
I would ask you to go to the range with
your shotgun, with a load of sixes bird shot sixes,
and shoot cardboard targets at five feet not yards feet,
and then ten feet, and then fifteen and twenty feet,
and wash the holes that blows right through them, and
ask yourself would this stop an attacker? The answer is, well, yeah,
it would as a matter of fact, certainly would Let's
see a jem. We've got time to get brand in here,
not we don't okay, Brand, hold on, we're gonna get
to you after this break. I don't have quite enough
time to get you in, and it wouldn't be fair
to bring you in at this point. But if you
we're gonna get brand, we'll also have room for you
if you want to call us eight sixty six Talk
Gun or Tom Talk Gun. Shotguns are a really good option.
One other thing, by the way, you noticed that Chris
said at this class, you're gonna get the sling. All
these shotguns are gonna be equipped with slings, and people
are gonna get training in how to use a sling
with a shotgun. If you have a self defense shotgun
or if you have a self defense ar, it should
be wearing a sling and you should train with that sling.
And if you don't know what to do with the
sling on it. That's why we have classes, either ours
or somebody else's, and go get training and learn how
to do it, and then you can practice it. Shooting
by yourself is not training. Training involves having an instruction.
Simple as that. Don't go far. God talk with me
right now. I mean, I'm having way too much fun
over on X. I just posted a picture I created
out of artificial intelligence. Used AI to create a picture
of a nineteen eleven firing a bullet. Wanted to see
the bullet in the air out of the muzzle. AI
is not as smart as you think. The bullet has
two points at forward and backwards. It's just the weirdest thing.
And there's a rifle cartridge piece of brass coming out
of the top of a nineteen eleven. But it's clever,
it's cute. Okay, never mind so much for AI online too.
Whether it's ad of Wyoming brand, you gotta range report
for us, go for it.
Speaker 14: Uh you know that promo that you just ran about,
you know, put all your gear on and roll around
on the ground whatever you and then get up and
whatever you don't have you're not going to have in
a fight. Yes, well I kind of did that, and inadvertently.
I drive a truck for a living, and I have
to get underneath the trailer at times to lift an
axle when I'm light and in the course of doing that,
I my holster. I leaned on it and I pushed
the mag release button and I ended up losing the magazine.
So rather than go across country, depositing magazines at various
trucks up. I asked somebody what should I do. I
was gonna, you know, wait until I get home and
run a drill in where the mag where the leather
was pushing on the mag release button. And a friend
just said, launch, just cut it with a knife. And
I'm like, well, there's an idea. So I cut that
section out with a knife and I have not had
a problem since. And I roll all over the ground
with my holster on, and I am not suppositing magazines
across America anymore.
Speaker 2: You know. It's a great point you're making here, which
is test this stuff. You think, Yeah, I wear it
all the time, and people say, well, why would you
be on the ground? Trust me, I always ask people
in the classes, said how many people here have ever
been in a fight, even way back in grade school?
And hands go up, and I said, and during that fight,
how many have you ended up on the ground? And
everybody who's been in a fight ends up on the ground,
right right, So yeah, So if you're rolling around on
the ground and your gear is coming apart and you're
dumbing magazines or things are falling off of you, those
are things you're not going to have in the rest
of the fight.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 14: So, I mean I never I hear that promo and
I never tried it because I'm like, it's going to
hurt if I roll around on the ground. I don't
want to do this, but I had to do it
for work, and sure enough I learned the hard way
because I went like a day and a half thinking
I had a loaded gun, and all I had was
the equivalent of a contender on my weight, and all.
Speaker 2: That shot a single shot. All right, a little bit
time we got left. You got to talk about a
Browning M two machine gun.
Speaker 8: Louis.
Speaker 2: Oh, are you still there?
Speaker 14: Yep, I'm back.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Now we're losing. I tell you what we're
gonna Well do we do that another time? Brandt? I apologize,
but we're getting out of your getting our cell phone
range with losing you there, Sorry about that. By the way,
if you want to join us on the air here,
and it really doesn't matter if you want to talk
about guns in any former fashion, Second Amendment, pistols, rifle,
shot guns, I don't care. We'll talk about it. Just
give me a call it Tom talk gun. By the way,
the civilian Marksmanship Program CMP just announced they're going to
make IM fourteens available surplus IM fourteen's. Now, I know
what you're thinking. The M fourteen is a select fire,
it's a machine gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nah, we can't
be that lucky, right, I'd love to have one, But
they're going to go through the process and deactivate them
and make them semiauto. I don't think they've published a
price on them yet, but you can go over to
the CMP website and take a look Civilian Marksmanship Programs
website and you can register, go in and sign up
for the newsletters, and then when they have the information,
you can get in line to buy. And there's a
US Army surplus M fourteen rifle from the Civilian Marketmanship
Program semi auto. But still it's an M fourteen. Very
cool stuff. Okay, when I come back, let's talk about
cool stuff electronic optics. And also, two guys aren't you
about their place in line and end up shooting each
other