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it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over God.

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one one. You just called both to be be four.

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Speaker 6: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share

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their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had

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Speaker 5: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're

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all doing well. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the

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UFO Chronicles podcast. Our first guest tonight is Ryan in Arizona,

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sharing a couple with his body experiences. Ryan had a

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terrifying experience after hitting his head on the bathtub. He

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passed out and remembers traveling at insane speeds in some

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sort of weird, colorful tunnel. Then we move on to

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Angela in North Carolina sharing her story. She's a survivor

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military CIA family. Ryan is up next, but first, if

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Hello Ryan, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey Nick, how are you doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing pretty good. Thank you. It's great to have

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you with us. And you're calling from the state of Arizona.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Two on Arizona.

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Speaker 5: Two s on Arizona. Great stuff. Okay, now, Ryan, you

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have a bit of a strange experiences to share. Would

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you like to start the beginning please, sir?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I have about, you know, for what I consider to

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be out of body experiences. I don't know if they

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really are or not. I just know they're very strange

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things that have happened to me. I think i'll talk

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about two of them today. The first one it happened

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to me when I was about nineteen years old, so

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that was around nineteen ninety nine. I might have been twenty,

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I was working for my grandmother. It's a summer, I

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was home from college, and this job required me to

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tough for me. And uh so, I you know, I

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got up, it was very groggy, very out of it.

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they've used the bathroom while I'm waiting for this shower

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total darkness, kind of found myself in a in a

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completely dark place. And then I was hearing a ringing sound,

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very high pitched ringing sound. And then all of a sudden,

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this insanely fast wall. I call it like a wall

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of colors and lines. You know, if you imagine a

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imagine kind of spray painted on it, and they We're

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all going past the left side of my face, and

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as if like someone pushed my head up against the wall,

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thousand miles an hour. It was so fast and really

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that ringing sound as this is speeding up, you know,

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makes that really digital sort of sound. That's the closest

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and just woke me up. And I found myself on

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the floor of the bathroom in the weirdest position ever.

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surprised he didn't break my neck. My neck was bent down

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and my chin was dug deep into my chest, and

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head on the floor, and I had a giant knot

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of the bathroom. It was a really scary experience. I

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ended up going to the doctor that morning. The doctor

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said that apparently it's somewhat common for men to to

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my uncle. He told me that happened to him too,

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that in my mind when I started hearing a lot

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of stories about DMT and people that you know, would

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first part of a d MT trip. Where people say

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they travel through some sort of thing, you know, they

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you might snap out of it. And then they would

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of internal DMT trip or something by banging my head

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we had found his mom's letter opener that looked like

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a tiny little sword. It's really cool, and we said, oh,

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let's throw the letter opener at stuff. So we were

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throwing it at a box that he had in his room,

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my eight year old infinite wisdom, I was like, oh,

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the letter opener's sword went right through the box and

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right into my wrist, and so I had to kind

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of pull it out. And you know, I was eight

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and i'll ride home and I'll tell my mom. And

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block or so, and I go into the kitchen and

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me because I don't recall this, but she said, I

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just fell onto the kitchen floor. I wasn't bleeding from

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the room. Strangely, I had a lot of eight year

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old baby fat, I guess, and it sort of was

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the really tall ceilings in our living room, about two

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stories high, and I was up way up high above

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the ceiling fan even and I was looking down and

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with my arms crossed, kind of like you know you

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see people in a coffin, which is very strange. And

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screaming my name, and so that was scary for me

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top of me, and I was on the couch in

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the living room, and her face was right in front

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of min bawling, crying. It turns out she had had

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stopped breathing. Very strange. And yeah, that's the two stories

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I I told him. Yeah, very strange, you know. I

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you know, the fact that I didn't see my mom

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when I was floating, you know, it does kind of

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make me think it was just all in my head.

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I've always been fascinated with all these other stories I hear.

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saw yourself on the couch with your arms crossed. And

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imagine if you passed out and your mum had put

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you on the couch and she she would have crossed

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your arms before, you know, attempting to resuscitate you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I asked my mom actually a couple of days ago,

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to make sure, you know, I was remembering things, you know,

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that she had told me, and she said she didn't

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recall crossing my arms. And when I woke up, I

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don't remember my arms being crossed.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, very weird, correct, and all that from

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just from just a little letter open I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have the scar on my arm.

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Speaker 5: These aren't the only two occasions you've experienced something like this,

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that's right.

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Speaker 2: I've had two other ones that you know, I can

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kind of briefly talk about. I didn't plan on talking

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about them. They're a bit more personal, but in general,

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one of them, I found myself. This was in college

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and in my dorm room, and I was having a

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really personal moment of crisis and found myself in deep

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prayer for the first time, a real prayer to God,

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and I felt myself floating above my bed, and I

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felt a tingling sensation all over my whole body, as

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if God were comforting me and hugging me, and I

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immediately fell asleep. So that's a very general quick version there.

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I was having a just called a panic attack, and

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someone had had prayed for me in that moment, and

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I felt like I was being pulled into the ground,

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into the floor by It felt evil, no other way

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to say it. And the moment that I was prayed for,

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I instantly pulled back into my body and all my

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negative feelings instantly went away. And that definitely was an

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Speaker 5: Are you religious?

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Speaker 2: You know, my mom once when my grandmother died. Uh,

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And I'll explained this. So she was in the front

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driver's you know, she opened the driver's seat car door

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and was leaning in to get something, and she said

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the back door behind the driver's seat swung open and

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bumped her. And she's always felt that that was that

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was my grandmother kind of giving her a message like

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hey I'm here. Very strange moment, but we all actually

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kind of comfort in that, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Sure, it seems like You're very like, you're very

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able to just go somewhere else. You see what I mean.

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You're very easy to slip in and out.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. I'm I'm a creative person,

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that's my profession, and I'm to find myself pretty open

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to to the weirdness that maybe in the world. In reality,

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I'm fascinated, but always have been, which is why I

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love your podcast.

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Speaker 5: That is what it's all about. You know, your your

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first experience. I don't think I've ever heard that before,

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where you know, where someone gets up very early in

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the morning. I've been there when I was a teenager'

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getting up far too early and you know, you go

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pee and then you lose you lose consciousness or whatever.

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Since you know, since you've contact him, I have kind

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of looked it up, and it is a little bit

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of a common thing for men get up too early, yeah,

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and go to pee, you know, still have asleep. It's

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very f strange when to go on a little journey

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like that because I've been you know, I've fainted, I've

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been knocked unconscious before plenty of times, but I've never

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experienced anything because I don't remember anything, you know, But

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you seem to have gone on like a like a

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little journey of sorts.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, it certainly felt like I was going

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somewhere and I was somewhere. I didn't feel like I

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was just in my head. But you know, I don't know,

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but it felt like we're sharing, and hey, maybe maybe

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one of your listeners knows a lot more about that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what I'll do is because you you know, you've

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what I do is I'll leave I'll put them on

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the website underneath this episode. I won't play the sounds now,

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just in case people are driving, but I'll put them

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on the website and people can go and have a

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look and see if they, you know, experience anything very similar.

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You know that don't necessarily have to, you know, have

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fainted or anything like that, but maybe people have. Like

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you said, you are very creative and creative people, they're

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wired a little bit a little bit different. It could

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be something maybe related to that. Yeah, yeah, you know,

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because creative people they have you know, a whole world

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inside their brains, you know, creativity and stuff. This is

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all coming from someone that's not creative. How you can

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barely draw a stick man, but to see those colors

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and to hear those sounds and the digital sounds is

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very peculiar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean know, I don't know if I mentioned this,

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but the colors were also very They were so bright

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and so rich. There were colors that I don't really

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normally see, if ever really and so that was really

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strange and kind of frightening too. Like I said that,

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the one that you know wasn't like a d MT

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trip was not fun. You know, it wasn't at all

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something I'd ever want to do again. But yeah, I

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can remember it like it was yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I know it was a while ago. Now, would you

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have any idea how long you're right for?

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Speaker 2: I have absolutely no clue. But I mean, if I

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were to give a rough guess, no, I have no idea.

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It could have been two seconds. It could have been

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five minutes. I have no idea. But I will say

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that in the experience alone, it felt like maybe a minute.

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Speaker 5: Did you all just see and hear this from your eyes?

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You didn't, You didn't see your body in this place

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or anything like that?

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Speaker 2: No, No, I had nobody, no, Ok.

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Speaker 5: All, right, to our listeners, if this sounds familiar to you.

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Get in contact and you see if anyone else has

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had anything very similar to what Ryan has, it's an

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unusual one, and it's it's very it's obviously very strange

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to you, because else you wouldn't have gotten in contact.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it is comforting that, you know,

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when I started to hear about GMT, and like I said,

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and I started to read those stories, oh my gosh,

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other people have had those that same experience as me.

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And in a way it's comforting, of course, you know.

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Speaker 5: You know, I have had a couple of episodes that

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have been kind of drug related, whether it's a person's

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experience or they have had drug problems over the years.

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This place where people go to on on DMT. You know,

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obviously it's a place whether you get there via the

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use of drugs or or another way, but people definitely

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go somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't recommend the knocking your head on the

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bathtub route could.

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Speaker 5: Been quite serious. Mind, here's the way that you landed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I hurt my neck. It took

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about ten years from my neck to really kind of

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feel normal again. It wasn't severe, but it just was

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a thing where I could just kind of feel that

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anytime I turn my neck a lot. I always felt

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like it was a little different. But now it's back.

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I mean it took it took like ten years.

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Speaker 5: Cranky, you could have done some damage there. Good stuff,

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Ryan interesting.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Nick. I appreciate you letting me be on

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the show. It's one of my favorites, so it's a

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real pleasure.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad to hear you've been listening for a while.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, a couple of years now, I think.

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But I've been going through your back log. I may

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have listened to everything.

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Speaker 5: With no short of guess mind we it's actually had

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to keep on to other things because so many people

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reach out and I've got about fifty people I'm dealing

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with at the minute, like we're back and forth and stuff,

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and then I've got I've got two hundred in the

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in the inbox where they've either they've stopped contacting, or

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they've changed their mind, or they want to see again

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in about six months time or whatever. So I have

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to keep on constantly going back, and I do eventually

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filed us most of them through. In any case, there's

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one wom when she was about two years from the

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time she contact. I'd like to try and get people

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in and recorded as quick as possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was surprised how quickly you responded to me.

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So I figured out he probably once he has something

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he needs to move quickly or else people kind of

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maybe chicking out.

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Speaker 5: They do. And then there's some people where I talk

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to every week. I'm not true, you know I'm not.

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And I never forced people to come on. It's completely

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up to them. But I just say, listen, it's just

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me and you talking. It's not live, and when it

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does get released, it it's only listened to by light

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minded people.

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy that you responded, and like I said,

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it's quite a pleasure. So thank you.

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Speaker 5: Good stuff, No problem, Ryan, I really appreciate you coming

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on sharing that for our listeners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks a lot. That was fun.

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Speaker 5: You take care, all right, especially around a toilet area.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, appreciate it, Take care, no.

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Hello Angela, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: You're more than welcome and it's our pleasure. Thank you

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for coming on today. Now, Angela, you're going to be

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sharing your experiences. Would you like to start at the beginning, please.

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Speaker 1: Ma'am sure. So. I was born March fifteenth, nineteen eighty

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seven here in Hornett County, North Carolina. My birth mother's

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name is Kelly Williford. She passed on my birthday, March fifteenth,

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twenty eighteen, at UNC Chapel Hill. I'm not further along

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at the story, but my father, my adopted father, was

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handed a baby October twenty seventh, nineteen eighty seven, the

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day that he became a Green Beret. I know this

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for a fact because I have it on VHS tape. Well,

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he had no knowledge that there was going to be

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a baby at his house. He literally came back from

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you know, earning his Green Beret to a child already there.

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So I have no knowledge of where I was those

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few months before. You know that I was taken from

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my birth mother and how I ended up in his hands.

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I know that the adoption agency that I was adopted

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out of does not exist. It never existed in Lillington,

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North Carolina. My stealed adoption file, which is supposed to

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be in vital records. Nobody else was supposed to have

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access to it without a court order, and that's only

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supposed to be me. It's not there at all. It's

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not even in this state. Somehow my adopted mother was

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able to illegally obtain it. I'm not much of a

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surprise to me because that side of my family has

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a lot of money to pretty much do what they

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want when they want, because money speaks. So my adopted father,

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his name is Master Sergeant Stephen Maggard. He was a

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Green Beret here at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, third Generation

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Special Forces. His father, Sanders Maggard, was also a Green Beret,

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but he was a part of Operation Jedi Warrior, which

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was a psychic super soldier program here at Fort Bragg

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in the seventies. It was a project inside of the

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Stargate Project. My grandmother, her name is Anne Jutman. She

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was a psychic remote year for the CIA. She was

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a part of Grill Flames, Stargate, Sunstreak, and many others.

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Those are just the declassified one. She's still alive. There's

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a lot more I could talk about, but I have PTSD.

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I've gone through a lot of trauma, so bear with me.

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If I talk in circles, I apologize, but I'm trying

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to bring awareness that Wright Patterson Air Force Base does

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an ethical what's the proper way to say that experiments

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on children, you know, like I experienced it from nineteen

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ninety one through nineteen ninety nine. I have found documents

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from nineteen eighty four nineteen eighty six where they openly

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admit to these projects, and I've spoke to other individuals

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that worked there that were aware of these type of projects.

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My father, Master Sergeant Maggard, tried to go a wall

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with me in nineteen ninety one. He tried to take

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me out of the country. What would make a man

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of that caliber risk his entire military career for a

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child that he had just got, you know, custody just

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a few months before. That wasn't like him at all.

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He ultimately lost custody of me over that incident. And

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that's when I was moved up to Ohio with my

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adopted mother and where the abuse started and took place.

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I dealt with a lot of paranormal activity there. I

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didn't realize the historical significance of the town that we

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lived in, honestly until just a few years ago. I

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always knew that the mounds and stuff around there were special.

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You know, I dealt with a lot of stuff there,

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but I'd never really understood you know, the extent of it,

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let alone the type of abuse that I was dealing with.

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It had always been my normal, so I really didn't

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wake up and process that till you know, mid twenties,

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and I was already a mom myself, So it was

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really very difficult to unpack and process. You know, that

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pretty much everything I had learned my entire life was

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a lie. That the people that I thought I knew

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I really didn't know at all. And you know, I

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was stuck on trying to find my birth mom, which

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I did find her, I did have time with her,

475
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but ultimately, you know, she was electrocuted from the inside

476
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,799
out at UNC Chapel Hill, and I was refused in

477
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,400
autopsy because I had to prove that I was her daughter.

478
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:29,480
So instead of cremating her, which was her wishes, I

479
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,680
buried her so that way I could have her exumed.

480
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,960
I have contacted Fort Bragg numerous times to try to

481
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,000
get their help for this. They did not contact me

482
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,400
until after I spoke to an investigative journalist for Rolling

483
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,640
Stone Magazine, which I found it really really weird that

484
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,559
they contacted me shortly after speaking to this individual, especially

485
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:54,599
because the last individual that spoke to this journalist involving

486
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,480
this military base did wind up murdered. So it was

487
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:00,799
really kind of like, oh my god moment for me.

488
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,559
But I spoke to them. They offered to help me

489
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,319
with my father being handed a baby. They said if

490
00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:09,519
that truly happened, that they would that would be handled.

491
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,240
But they also said that if they helped me that

492
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:15,279
pretty much I should be satisfied. I had to turn

493
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:17,440
that down. I don't think that that's something that I

494
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,440
can morally accept, just because, like, yes, I want these

495
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,839
answers more than anything. But I currently know that there's

496
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,119
a certain group at Fort Bragg that's very high. I'm

497
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,960
just going to say it's special force of soldiers are

498
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,720
involved in human and drug trafficking at Fort Bragg. And

499
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,000
this is not something that's new. This has been going

500
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,480
on for a long time. It really sick the amount

501
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,279
of people that are complacement. There's a lot of bodies

502
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,359
that drop up missing around this military base, a lot

503
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,880
of soldiers, a lot of girls being drugged human and

504
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,079
drug trafficking is really really high out here. I'm not

505
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,079
the only person that was kidnapped and sold as a

506
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:59,279
baby out of this county. There's multiple others. I'm thirty

507
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,519
six years old, so, like I started writing my journals

508
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,799
at age seven, I'm thirty six, that's a lot written down.

509
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,799
As soon as I processed that, hey, you know, the

510
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,519
drugs that they were giving me, that something wasn't right,

511
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:13,279
you know, I wanted to document. I remember watching Matilda

512
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:15,440
and Harry the Spy, and what I got from those

513
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,319
movies was kids could hold adults accountable. You just had enough,

514
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,920
had to have enough proof, because you know, without the proof,

515
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,640
nobody's going to believe you, which is something unfortunately I've

516
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,880
had to learn the hard way as an adult because

517
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,519
with a story like this, a lot of people aren't

518
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,440
open to that, which is understandable. Honestly, a little bit

519
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,039
of me is kind of envious as that mentality. I

520
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:35,839
would love to be able to walk through life and

521
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:38,359
you know, have that kind of like peace of mind.

522
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,119
But at the end of the day, I've had this

523
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,640
same goal since age seven. I just want to hold

524
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,960
them accountable. I would like justice, and I would really

525
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,839
like answers. I'd like the truth more than anything, you know.

526
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,960
That's why I use my real government name. That's why

527
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,200
I post my family. And I'm really thankful to my

528
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,720
adopted uncle, Mark Maggert. He's also on Twitter and Facebook. Hey,

529
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,880
He's helped me a lot with getting to the truth

530
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,599
that he has a different theory on when it comes

531
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,160
to all of this. He believes that my adopted father

532
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,160
is somehow my biological father. I do not know who

533
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,440
my biological father is. That is something that I am

534
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,960
actively really trying to find out. That's one of the

535
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,880
reasons I really wanted that file is just I can

536
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,920
get some answers because my birth mother before she passed

537
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,160
that she dealt with a lot of trauma. A lot

538
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,480
so when we would talk about certain topics, she was

539
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:28,920
shut down or she would get, you know, really upset

540
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,559
and reclusive, and I didn't understand it at the time.

541
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,319
I did now, but back then I was very frustrated

542
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,160
with her because I just didn't understand why she couldn't

543
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,079
just confront her problems. And that was just because you know,

544
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:42,039
the way I was raised, So honestly, I was a

545
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:44,440
little harsh on her and maybe more harsh than I

546
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,599
should have been, but she understood and instead of laying

547
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,720
it all out on me and telling me all the truth,

548
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:53,599
she kind of just let me think whatever I needed

549
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,599
to and let me just like learn, and honestly, it's

550
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,359
what I needed at the time. And I think that

551
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,880
was very brave of her to be a well to

552
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,319
just eat all that a bitter teenager, you have to think,

553
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,519
you know, like I respected my dad, I respected the military.

554
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,839
I was kind of like groomed from a very young

555
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,799
age to meet other people's needs. People that described me

556
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,759
as a child, they would say that I was very robotic,

557
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,640
like very obedient, but at the same time very angry,

558
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,720
you know, like they could see. That's why I'm upset.

559
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,720
A lot of these adults, they knew what was going on,

560
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,000
but nobody wanted to face the implications of speaking up

561
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,519
against people with that type of power. And that's one

562
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:31,240
of the reasons why I'm so nosy and so transparent

563
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,559
open about things, is because I feel like that was

564
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,519
the biggest issue, is the complacency. So many people could

565
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:39,200
have changed some things, They could have done something about it.

566
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:41,799
I started running away at age five. I got there

567
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,119
three miles away, barefoot, blisters on my feet. They took

568
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,880
me back, you know what I mean, Like that's that's

569
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,319
actual documents, you know, in these records of me begging

570
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,440
for help, telling them what was going on, and they

571
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,839
just took me right back to her. She even lost

572
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,039
custody of me, you know, because this woman tortured me.

573
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,240
And I'm not the only one, and she tortured I

574
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,039
had two stepsisters, but I will not say their names,

575
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:07,799
just for the simple fact that they are extremely traumatized.

576
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,440
They only have three years experience with her. But I

577
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,720
had to tell their father what was going on, just

578
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:16,119
because like I couldn't bear to watch them and go

579
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,160
through it. You know, I was the oldest, so I

580
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,359
felt morally responsible, so I told him that. You know,

581
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,279
she had burned our butts on a stove. She had

582
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:25,119
forced us to lay out naked in the snow. She

583
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,240
had put a butcher knife to my chest, and that

584
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,359
was over dishes. I was washing dishes and I guess

585
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:32,920
I had washed them wrong, and I got lippy with her,

586
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,200
so she put the butcher knife to my chest and

587
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,839
she's like, I could kill you now and nobody would

588
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:38,799
know it. And I was like well, your fingerprints they're

589
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:40,880
on there. Because I was really balky. If we're gonna

590
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,119
be honest, I'd never cussed, but I always had the

591
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,559
last words. And she so she took her sleeve and

592
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,200
she wiped the knife. She put it to my chest again.

593
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:50,400
I was like, well, I'll write your name in my blood,

594
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:52,240
and she's like, well, I'll clean it up. And I

595
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:53,720
was like, well, they have a light for that. And

596
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,279
that's when she stabbed me. She didn't cut me deep

597
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:58,640
enough to like hurt hurt, but it was enough for

598
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,839
me to plead. It was enough to scare me, because

599
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,079
anyone knows that wounds right there. You lead a lot.

600
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,920
It traumatized to me. I don't have any really good

601
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,160
memories from childhood. I have a few here and there

602
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,519
when my dad, you know, I was allowed to go

603
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:13,319
to my dad's, but the majority of it is traumatizing,

604
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,759
you know, and having to like face all that and

605
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,000
then learn all this stuff about your you know. I

606
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:20,400
never thought my grandparents would work for the CIA. I

607
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,599
always wondered, you know, what they did in the military,

608
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,960
just because all the secrecy. And then my grandpa moved

609
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,480
to Mexico and her, you know, my grandma living out

610
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:30,119
here is originally in Texas and then Georgia. Like, how

611
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:32,000
are you going to be married and live in two

612
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640
different countries, you know, let alone? Like I never knew

613
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,279
any of her family. I mean, you know, my dad's side,

614
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,759
but like she never had any other people around. Well,

615
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:42,920
there's a lot of stuff that goes on with Fort Bragg.

616
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:44,680
Like a lot of people don't know that there are

617
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,079
two underground, you know, bases there underneath the Fort Bragg

618
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:51,599
let alone, the Rockefeller estate that's on Fort Bragg property

619
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:54,319
that's called over Hills that's at the corner of Highway

620
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:58,599
eighty seven and Nursery Roads. There's a lacrosse field, there's

621
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:01,880
a golf course, there's stables, there's a main house. There's

622
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,680
actually quite a few different houses and cottages. One of

623
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,519
the houses that's been demolished will burnt down. But there's

624
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:10,920
also tunnel systems under there. It's pretty pretty crazy. There's

625
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,680
also tunnels of White Patterson Air Force Base that connect

626
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:18,000
up to Wright State University. And there's also tunnels under

627
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,200
there under Ohio that are from you know, natural case

628
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,960
systems and tunnels that the Adena tribe you know, used

629
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,640
to use, like a lot of people don't know about

630
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,039
the Adda tribe. But there's a pyramid in Miamisburg in Ohio,

631
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,960
let alone the mound of Enan, along with the tablet

632
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,839
that they said that correlated with Leebecci tepe and turkey,

633
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,960
and some type of ruins that they found in Halisco, Mexico,

634
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,720
in between Guadalajara and Jalapa. I'm not exactly sure what

635
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,279
all they found there, but that's where my grandfather moved.

636
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,319
I know that's where he worked for a very long

637
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,279
period of time until he disappeared. So I don't really

638
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,359
know what happened to him. I haven't talked to him

639
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,920
in a few years. He told me that he was

640
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,640
going to lay low for a bit in an email,

641
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,880
and that was the last thing I heard from him,

642
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,880
So I really don't know what's all going on with that.

643
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,839
I know that I did call my grandma about a

644
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,880
month or so ago, telling her, warning her that I

645
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,079
was going to be talking about all this stuff, and

646
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,480
I asked her for her help again for you know,

647
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,920
the million time. You know, because I've given my family

648
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,039
ample warning what I was doing. I don't think they

649
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:20,240
ever thought I would really do it, though, because honestly,

650
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,599
I have problems talking with people. I have a lot

651
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,480
of anxiety, and I have a lot of trust issues,

652
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:26,680
just because I've had people that came into my life

653
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,559
for you know, alterior motives and I didn't really realize it,

654
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,359
you know, because we're going to be honest. I think

655
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,440
I'm a little bit emotionally younger than my peers just

656
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,839
from trauma. I mean, I'm intelligent, I'm really smart, but

657
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,960
at the same time, I'm really trusting a little bit,

658
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000
you know, naive and gullible. I've taken up since then,

659
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,480
but you know, there are still aspects in time periods

660
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,720
where people can pull the wll over me. And I've

661
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:50,920
had whole freaking relationships that were absolutely fake and that

662
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,920
was really difficult to process. So, you know, having to

663
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,880
come to terms with you know, wow, Like I feel

664
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,400
like I'm a little fish. Not trying to be mean,

665
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,519
but I'm a civilian refused to join the military. I

666
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,319
just have family that's involved in a lot of stuff

667
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,240
that I know that's not okay, and then a lot

668
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,119
of stuff that I still don't even know about. So

669
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,119
I really just want answers. I want justice more than anything.

670
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,719
That's why I go to these different rooms, especially ones

671
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,159
with veterans, and ask if they knew my family. And

672
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,199
I've met a few different individuals that remember my father.

673
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,400
I actually met another individual that remember my grandfather, so

674
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,440
it was kind of neat to hear their side. But

675
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:28,719
one was my grandfather said that my grandfather was a

676
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,960
great soldier, but he was kind of on the fence

677
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000
of doing what was right. And while I'm the man

678
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,000
that I talked to about my father though, said he

679
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:37,480
was very admirable and that you know, he would second

680
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,119
guess my dad being complacent to that type of stuff,

681
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,360
especially since the way my father died. He was ran

682
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,719
off the road by another vehicle and crashed into a

683
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,840
tree not even a minute up the road from our house.

684
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:50,199
And the crazy part about that is I had dreamed

685
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,599
that before it happened. The only thing that was different

686
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,079
in my dream is I had dreamed he had died

687
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,800
on his motorcycle and not in his truck. So it

688
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,000
was a little, uh. It was really difficult because I

689
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,400
felt like if I would have, you know, warmed him more,

690
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:04,880
maybe I could have changed that. I did email him

691
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,639
about it. He laughed at it, because you know, there's

692
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:10,000
been numerous other times that he should have been dead

693
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,599
and he didn't die, so he kind of at that

694
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,920
point thought he was invincible, which most special forces guys

695
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,920
I know do have that mentality. I think that like

696
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,360
a survival tactic. You know. It's like my dad always said,

697
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,400
you know, you can go without food, water, you can

698
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,039
live in the most deplorable conditions if you lose your brain. Though,

699
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,239
if you lose your mind, you lose everything. That's the

700
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,719
number one weapon, That's one thing that you need to

701
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,559
always keep, because if you lose that, it's in game.

702
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,679
You know. I feel like my dad knew what I

703
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,719
was going to have to prepare for you, just to

704
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,039
think he didn't have me for the first twelve years

705
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:43,639
of my life. He was fighting court systems trying to

706
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,639
get me free from my adopted mother, and he didn't

707
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:48,480
have a leg to stand on just because of who

708
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,760
my adopted mother's father was and how much money he had.

709
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,639
And you know, like I appreciate the lessons, like I'm sorry,

710
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,440
but it's a little ridiculous to make kid go do

711
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:01,119
pet every morning before school, and you know, why do

712
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:02,599
I need to know how to make a bow drill

713
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:04,320
and all this other stuff. But I get now that

714
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,519
he was teaching me discipline, He was teaching me how

715
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,920
to survive. He was teaching me to understand mind games.

716
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,400
You know, I would have never processed that day, and

717
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,360
I didn't process it then. It took me years to

718
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,280
understand what he was doing. But I didn't respect him

719
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,440
because he didn't just come out and say it. I've

720
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,840
talked to him. I remember telling you about some of

721
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,880
this stuff, but he shushed me about it. He told

722
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,880
me just I don't remember exactly what he said, but

723
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,320
he pretty much told me that that wasn't something that

724
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,199
I needed to deal with. This was here and now,

725
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,039
and you need to focus on your future. You know,

726
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:36,800
because when he got custody of me in nineteen ninety nine,

727
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,519
it was December. It was right after my adoptive mother

728
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,400
tried to unalive me. He came back from Africa and

729
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,480
he got full custody of me and they wrote away

730
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:46,840
her rights and so he moved me back to Fort

731
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,519
Bragg and they refused to put me in counseling. They

732
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:51,719
just threw me into public school. And this is after

733
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,159
being isolated, you know, my entire childhood, I hadn't hung

734
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:58,039
out with other kids. The only interaction I had was

735
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:01,440
with whoever my adopted mother deemed wasn't a threat against her.

736
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:05,480
That was pretty much doctors, her family, and my grandma

737
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,639
Beanie and my great aunt Diana from my dad's side,

738
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,039
were the only two people she allowed to see on

739
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,400
his side because she didn't they weren't a threat, They

740
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,639
wouldn't go stand up against her. They blocked my father

741
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,639
just to be able to see me. And I know

742
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,519
that they did that so that I had some type

743
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:24,199
of safety, you know, because my adopted mother drew the

744
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,280
line if you have anything to do with you know,

745
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:29,159
thieve my father. You know you can't have anything to

746
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,679
do with her. So my dad took him a long

747
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,119
time to be able to talk to his family. He

748
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,360
never talked to his father again. I remember that my

749
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,960
grandfather was here in North Carolina in nineteen ninety one

750
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,239
when my dad tried to go a wall. My uncle

751
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,519
thinks that my grandpa is the one who sold him

752
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,039
out and told on him and set him up. I

753
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:51,039
don't understand why he would do that, or why he

754
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,360
would be working with my adopted mother and my adopted grandfather.

755
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,840
I didn't understand why he would go against his own son.

756
00:37:58,119 --> 00:37:59,639
But now that I know that he had ties to

757
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:02,039
the sea, I don't know what I know anymore. It's

758
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,360
kind of, you know, like crap, what's true, what's not?

759
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,480
What's connected? You know, what's coincidence or circumstance. It's it's

760
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:15,199
very complicated to separate and pinpoint, you know, what is

761
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,840
the truth. So that's why I'm speaking about all this stuff,

762
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,719
trying to bring awareness to illegal adoptions, what adopted children

763
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,199
have to go through, trafficking children. My birth mother died

764
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,440
before she got a lick of justice. I live in

765
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,360
the town that I live in on purpose, because everybody

766
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,599
out here said she faked her pregnancy, that I didn't exist,

767
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:36,519
that I was never kidnapped, but it was all in

768
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:39,639
her head and it really hurt her on top of

769
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,440
whatever she went through, and you know, was running from,

770
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:45,679
because I mean, this woman was scared to get a

771
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,320
picture taken. She was always hidden, she wouldn't go out

772
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,239
and do things. She was legitimately scared, and I never

773
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,119
understood that because I didn't have that fear. And honestly,

774
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:57,000
that's probably a fall because I'm I'm talking about some

775
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:59,960
really big things. I have a lot of evidence. You know,

776
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,119
like I have. I'm in touch with a lot of

777
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:04,519
people that are actively still involved in this stuff, and

778
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,280
they are willing to come forward if I can get

779
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,800
into the courtroom. They just can't right now because they're

780
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,280
kind of actively working for the government. And so, like,

781
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,920
I'm really thankful that they would speak up, I'm just

782
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,440
really frustrated that they haven't so far. You know, I'm

783
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,480
thirty six years old. You had this so many years

784
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:22,119
to do it. I feel like the only reason why

785
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,000
they're speaking up now is because they don't want me

786
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:26,239
to tell the whole story. That seems to be the

787
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,119
biggest issue that I have with most of my family members.

788
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:31,239
And it's not that they don't support me speaking on

789
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,800
the trauma. They're just really worried about the way I

790
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,239
would portray them speaking about my story, not realizing that

791
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,719
it's okay to not understand trauma, it's okay to you know,

792
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,599
be frustrated with me for not getting over it. They

793
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:45,440
seem to think that I thought that they were the

794
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:48,239
villain of my story, not realizing that I'd gone through

795
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,800
way much more, you know what I mean. So, both

796
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,679
my biological and my adoptive families that were a little

797
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:57,559
bit complacent. I don't hate you, I love you. I

798
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,119
want you all to know that I'm not going to

799
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,199
I sit here and docks everybody. I just want to

800
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,480
talk about the root issues. You know, there are a

801
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,079
lot of illegal adoptions, there's a lot of kids that

802
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,719
are going missing, there are tunnel systems under a lot

803
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,960
of these spaces, and I think it all ties together.

804
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:14,280
I think it's been going on for a long time.

805
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,039
I think it has a lot to do with the

806
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:19,440
Finders Club. I think that that's just one aspect of

807
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,320
many different rabbit holes that are involved. I think some

808
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,920
of these people have been doing this for a very

809
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,679
long time, so the other people that are, you know,

810
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,079
working with them, are complacent to it or or know

811
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:32,440
if we speak up. You know, I think their currency

812
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:35,440
is secret, so if one person speaks up, there's going

813
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,599
to be a domino effect there. And I feel like

814
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:40,320
it's a big liability. That's why you don't see a

815
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,480
lot of whistleblowers, and the ones that you do see,

816
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:44,320
you know they're pointing out it's crazy or you know,

817
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,360
villain fied because you know they have nothing else to lose,

818
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:51,480
and you know, like that's a threat loose lifts, think ships,

819
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,760
so you have to be really careful. That's why I

820
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,920
try to be fully transparent. What are they going to

821
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,000
use against me? I don't bring the wall, I don't

822
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,920
do stupid stuff. I'm not slandering or to fame and character.

823
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,679
I try to stick to facts. I really want justice

824
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,880
in truth more than anything, So that's why I ask

825
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,760
for people's help, you know, like, hey, you know, I

826
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,480
give real names. I try to give dates and as

827
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:13,280
much information as I have. But I'm one person and

828
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,920
I'm really emotionally invested in this. So if anybody else

829
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,480
has the emotional capacity or the clearance help with this,

830
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,920
you know, I'd really appreciate it. And then I'd like

831
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,599
to implement some type of change because it was really

832
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,960
really damaging to have to waste ten, fifteen, twenty years

833
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,719
of my life chasing these answers just so I could heal.

834
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,039
I would love to see some type of organization or

835
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,199
a program in place to check on these adopted children,

836
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,360
these kids in foster care, not only them, but survivors

837
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,440
of humor and trafficking or you know, if there's a

838
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,039
trying to get those answers and having to you know,

839
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:48,000
literally sift through all this different data, all these different platforms,

840
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:50,280
you know, and I've been digging at this before Google

841
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,960
was around, you know, so it's really difficult when all

842
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,480
the information wasn't in one spot. And then when you

843
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,920
don't have the type of you know, like mindset, you

844
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,000
don't know what you're doing, it can be really overwhelm

845
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,440
and then having to walk off that trauma learn how

846
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,079
to heal, you know, while you know, still working and

847
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,800
raising kids, if you're doing that, that's hard. So I

848
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,760
would love to see a program made to you know,

849
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,400
maybe help these kids and these survivors get the answers

850
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,880
they seek so they're not wasting years of their life

851
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,239
just so they can, you know.

852
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,599
Speaker 5: Feel that's certainly a lot to unpack.

853
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: Now.

854
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:25,679
Speaker 5: The thing with child abuse, child trafficking, it's a big

855
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,119
elephant in the room. People know it goes on, but

856
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,800
people just don't want to know people are involved. There

857
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,679
are a lot in various different organizations. It's difficult getting

858
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,880
people to speak out, and as soon as people do,

859
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,559
they get labeled. And generally the people that come forward

860
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,280
are damaged individuals. So it's very easy to label someone

861
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,119
they're just making up, just fantasize and whatever. So it's

862
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:51,679
a very difficult thing. There's always been talk about Fort Bragg.

863
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,199
There's been allegations against them, whether it's for drug trafficking,

864
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,440
women trafficking. There's been death says, been people going missing.

865
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,639
I mean, the further you go back with RAG, the

866
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:01,079
more you.

867
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:05,119
Speaker 1: Dig go, Yes, people living underground. That was like twenty thirteen,

868
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:08,639
twenty fourteen. They were moving the old barracks to build

869
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:12,400
new barracks and they found people legitimately living underground, like

870
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,679
in a doomsday scenario.

871
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,679
Speaker 5: It's crazy. And there's even been recent mole There's a

872
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,599
woman found not so long ago. Was it a year ago?

873
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,199
A couple of years ago, she was found.

874
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: Dead, Yeah, the one that was murdered by the Delta

875
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Forest soldier.

876
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,159
Speaker 5: That's the one.

877
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:25,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

878
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:28,639
Speaker 1: She was actually working with the investigative journalist that I

879
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:31,239
was telling you about. That's why she was murdered, is

880
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,880
trying to expose the trafficking ring.

881
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 5: Okay, and how did you come into contact with the

882
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,679
guy from Rolling Stone on Twitter?

883
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: So he messaged me on Twitter, gave me his email,

884
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:42,280
told me the contact. Well, he said to send him

885
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,400
all the information, all my research to him. And I'm

886
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,480
not sorry. But I'm not doing that. I'm not doing

887
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,840
that to anybody just because this is my whole life

888
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,760
worth of research. That's a lot of stuff that I

889
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,719
have multiple contingency plans just in place, just because like

890
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,760
I've met some really crazy people that pretended, you know,

891
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,519
like they cared and they didn't. So, like I want

892
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,000
justice about this is going to be an exchange thing

893
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:03,880
if I'm going to give any names out to any

894
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,559
of these survivors, because I do know people that dealt

895
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:09,760
with this there, there needs to be in writing documents

896
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,559
that they're going to be protected, especially the female soldiers

897
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,880
that were reprimanded for speaking on this stuff. There's a lot,

898
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:18,360
there's a lot it for Brock. And the wonderful thing

899
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,400
about growing up there is, you know a lot of

900
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,400
these people knew me, A lot of these people respected

901
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,280
my father. So as many bad people there are, there

902
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,199
are equally as many good ones there. So I don't

903
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,880
really feel threatened just because you know, like I am

904
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,679
a local and I know my hometown. They're really solid.

905
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,639
And I know that sounds weird, but you know, when

906
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,519
you come from a really small town, everybody knows everybody

907
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:42,239
and they really do come together just because you're to

908
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,320
saying I'm not the only person in this hometown that

909
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,159
is going through this type of corruption. There are multiple individuals.

910
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,480
This goal is up higher than I think I can

911
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,119
even fathom. If we're going to be honest, Harnett County

912
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:55,519
is completely corrupt. But one of my really good friends,

913
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,760
his name was John Livingston. He was murdered by a

914
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,880
Hammer County Sheriff's office. The officer had a warrant for

915
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,039
another person a different house. I didn't even live there,

916
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,559
but he came into the house asking about that individual,

917
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:09,639
and you know, John told him that he didn't live there.

918
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,400
He said, can I come in and check? And John

919
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,039
said no, not without a search warrant. The officer put

920
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,280
his boot in the door when John tried to shut it,

921
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:20,800
and the officer pushed the door open, pulled his taser out,

922
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,199
tased them, and then shot him six times in front

923
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:27,000
of his children in his own home, without any problem, calls,

924
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,119
or reason to do so. Now I know why John

925
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:31,119
didn't want to earn his house. It's because he smokes

926
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,480
sweet which is not the worst thing in the world,

927
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:35,960
but in the state of North Carolina, it is not legal.

928
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,840
And you know, I understand that fear. However, this was

929
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,760
a hard working man, a great dad, a person that

930
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,360
I really respected. He was a little eccentric, he was

931
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,960
always dancing, you know, but it just it was really difficult.

932
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,960
And that was just one of many many victims out here.

933
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,639
There's a lot of implications with the three letters of

934
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,880
various law enforcement agents, you know, and elected officials are

935
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,119
part of this group. Our sheriff is a huge, huge issue.

936
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:07,800
There's a woman out here who I do not respect,

937
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,480
but her trauma is valid. I feel like she has

938
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:12,559
gone off the deep end. You know. Sometimes when you

939
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,559
go through these type of things, I look at it

940
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:16,559
like a triangle. You can go in to rescue r

941
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:19,760
mode or you go into repeat mode. And unfortunately she

942
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,679
has gone into the lady. And I don't think she's

943
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:24,519
a lost cause. I just think that the abuse that

944
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,960
she went through was so extensive that she is screaming

945
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,639
and begging for people to listen to her, and she's

946
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:34,880
getting told so much that she is now just nasty

947
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,480
to everyone as a defense mechanism. But her name is

948
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:41,480
Angela Scarborough. She was assaulted. She really went through a

949
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:43,800
lot of stuff in a Hnnah County jail out here

950
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,519
if anyone wants to look under her story. I don't

951
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,760
support her as a person, but what she went through

952
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,320
is disturbing and she's one of many. So we actually

953
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,280
have a Facebook group that's called Harnett County Exposing Police

954
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,119
Brutality and Corruption. And that's what we do is just

955
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,239
all the locals to share their information and try to

956
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,519
be as open and transparent as possible to maybe bring

957
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:13,000
awareness to this long line of corruption that's been going

958
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,719
on to generation. We grew up here. We didn't know

959
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,800
about the Rockefeller Estate and our high schools named after it,

960
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,440
you know, like the roads are named after it, and

961
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,440
it's right there, you know, and the whole time, you know,

962
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,599
we're sitting here playing all on this land, you know,

963
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,880
and there's tunnels underground, and you know, there's a lot

964
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,840
of stuff out there. There's the underground facility where they

965
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,840
made you know, like the Ministereric Coats, Operation Jedi Warrior

966
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,639
that's behind Fort Bragg in between the Rockefeller Estate, like

967
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,800
going towards southern Pines, like the vast area, Like if

968
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,960
you look on Google Maps, you'll see like an old

969
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:45,840
armory out in the middle of the woods back in

970
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,920
that triangle and they're literally underneath ground right there. That's

971
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,039
that's all an underground basically like beneath that. That's why

972
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,000
you don't see anything out there. It's just this one

973
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,239
building in the middle of the woods. And I've been

974
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,039
down there. I went down there with my dad a

975
00:47:58,079 --> 00:47:58,559
few times.

976
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 5: You know, where this stuff deep, You dig and the

977
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,480
hole just gets bigger and scarier.

978
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: I noticed that. All the times that I have investigated

979
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,840
my father looking into him, I have had people die

980
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:16,719
or you know, my house was broken into in Florida.

981
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,360
That's ultimately why I left and moved. I left everything

982
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,360
there and just left is because I had an unmarked vehicle,

983
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,719
police vehicle like SUV pull into my driveway and walk

984
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,679
into my house while I wasn't there. I was actually

985
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,639
at the gas station. Get nice, because me and my

986
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,599
kids were about to go swimming with the neighbors. My

987
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:33,760
kids were at the neighbor's house except for my oldest.

988
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,559
He had gone in the back door and he was

989
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,320
in the laundry room getting a swimming trunks out of

990
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,960
the dryer. So there's a door that is like cracked shut,

991
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,440
but you can see into the living room from that

992
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,159
laundry room. So he heard the door open, he peeked

993
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,400
and he saw this guy come in, so he slipped

994
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,400
out the back went to the neighbors. The neighbor called

995
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,800
me and said, hey, I think there's a copy of

996
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,920
your house. So, you know, I went back to the house.

997
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,320
You know, he was like, okay, whatever. At that point

998
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,639
in time, my ex husband and I were separated. This

999
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,840
is a fake relationship that I was with, and so

1000
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,119
I thought they'd do with court papers or something real,

1001
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,360
you know, involving that I get there, No one's there.

1002
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,559
So I called the police department and they kind of

1003
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:08,760
like what because there's only one vehicle I guess that

1004
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,039
entire county that matches that description, and that's like the sheriff,

1005
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,280
and he was on the other side of the county

1006
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,039
going door to door trying to get in votes. So

1007
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:20,239
he wasn't even anywhere near me. So he came back

1008
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,320
in town and he actually came to my house in

1009
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,119
front of my works. Had explained to this tea it

1010
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,559
wasn't me, but there was a vehicle matching that description

1011
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:30,000
that was taken out of Jacksonville that morning. So I

1012
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,440
literally packed up my kids and I left. I freaked out.

1013
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,840
I didn't know what to do. I just came home

1014
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,840
to my birth mom because you know, like at least

1015
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,920
I felt a little safer, you know there. I just

1016
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,039
couldn't fathom why, like someone would want to scare me.

1017
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,280
And I understand a little bit now, just because I

1018
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,000
told you that investigative journalists. He looked into my father

1019
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,880
and apparently he has connections or a database that I

1020
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,199
don't have access to, because he did find a charge

1021
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,599
of my father and have seen any charged but had

1022
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:55,199
no He didn't give me any other detail. So I

1023
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,039
would love to be able to find what that was about,

1024
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,000
just for the simple fact that my dad was a

1025
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,760
part of that same unit had arrest back, you know,

1026
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,760
in February of this year for human drug trafficking, and

1027
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,800
I feel like there's a lot more of a story

1028
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,960
than is being told.

1029
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:18,880
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1040
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Speaker 5: You know when you start speaking out about this and

1041
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:11,840
you start digging into things. Now, you know, you see

1042
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,039
me managed about a fake relationship. Do you believe that

1043
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,239
your partner at the time was implanted to you.

1044
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,119
Speaker 1: I've read messages, so I found on this computer with

1045
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:22,280
him and his best friend where he was joking about it.

1046
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,079
That was really really hard to like swallow, because like

1047
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,000
I thought my relationship was perfect. I mean, I had flaws,

1048
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:30,639
but it wasn't bad per se, you know. I just

1049
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,800
he was always gone, He wasn't here, you know, he

1050
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,440
was always traveling. So that should have been a red flag.

1051
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,079
There's a lot of red flags, but I guess I

1052
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,679
saw a carnival. I didn't see him for what they were.

1053
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:43,199
I painted those roses red, all right. I think that

1054
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,880
was also a travel response. I didn't want to look

1055
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,559
at the bad, I thought. But you know what I mean,

1056
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,280
at that point in time, I had stopped chasing the truth.

1057
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:52,440
I was just going to try and live and be happy.

1058
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:55,920
And I wasn't going to take drugs though, and I

1059
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,599
wasn't going to talk about it. And that was one

1060
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,280
of the things that he kept always trying to get

1061
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,159
me to talk about thing I didn't want to. I

1062
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:02,880
was very shut down at that point in time. I

1063
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,280
had not processed my dad dying. I hadn't processed a

1064
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,119
lot of it, and I was walking it off. And

1065
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:09,719
that's very difficult to do when people are shipping information.

1066
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,400
You know, they're chipping at you and they just keep

1067
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,480
kind of poking and you're like, look, I can't process

1068
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,639
this currently. Ultimately, I think that was the end of it.

1069
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:19,519
Was like I'm not controllable. I've never been controllable. That

1070
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,599
was problem when I was kid. Doesn't matter how much

1071
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,599
drugs they gave me, it didn't work. I mean they tried,

1072
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:26,440
they used dated the shit out of me. There's no

1073
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,039
reason for a five year old to have seven to

1074
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,679
eight pills show down their throat at the time. Absolutely

1075
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,400
unethical as hell, and for you know, medical doctors. Because

1076
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,320
I've had try care in my whole life, and they

1077
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,440
refuse to give me my own access to my own

1078
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,519
medical records. That makes no sense whatsoever. I need those

1079
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:42,639
records so I can get those doctors name, so I

1080
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,239
can get, you know, all this stuff put together, because

1081
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,360
I'm able to prove the damage that it's happened to

1082
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,000
me long term due to my medical records. Now, I

1083
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:53,039
suffer from overactive adrenal glance. My body's in a constant

1084
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:56,320
stata fight or flight. I have fibroid issues just because

1085
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:02,199
living through such a long, you know, drawn out time

1086
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,360
of this type of abuse. It rewires your compounds, like

1087
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,280
your body structure, so you you literally think that those

1088
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,079
hormones are normal, so you don't produce the normal like

1089
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:16,039
serotonin and stuff. It's trauma bonding. It's literally I feel

1090
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,159
like they did that stuff on purpose, especially when I

1091
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,199
was a kid. They used the fear, and they used

1092
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,199
the scaring as a way to kind of like a

1093
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,000
guest pain or control me because I was scared of everything.

1094
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:28,000
If you want to be honest, I was really scared

1095
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:31,239
into still like my mid twenties, especially the paranormal aspect.

1096
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,800
It tormented me just because I did not understand it,

1097
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,639
and then they gas lit me. And then just to

1098
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:37,519
find out, you know, just a couple of years ago

1099
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:39,639
they worked for the CIA, getting a paycheck for it.

1100
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,719
That was just downright like wow, you guys really, you know,

1101
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:45,480
really really messed with me. Now. I have a photo

1102
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,000
of me at h five, and in this photo, some

1103
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,679
people say that's a sever childhood on the couch behind me.

1104
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,599
Other people don't think that. I'm not going to say

1105
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,239
it is or it isn't, because I don't know. I

1106
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,320
know what I think it is, but you know, it's

1107
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,360
up to everybody else's interpretation. What I noticed about the

1108
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,480
photo was the three spirits that are standing beside being

1109
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,360
around me in that photo. I really have never even

1110
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,000
noticed that other aspect until I posted it on Reddit

1111
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:12,760
and everybody over there saw it and they were like, yo,

1112
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,639
you didn't see that in the corner. And I was like, well, no,

1113
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,360
what and I zoom in and I saw it and

1114
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,480
I was like, oh, I can see that. That looks

1115
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,840
like a child's head. Honestly, it was very disturbing. I

1116
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,039
had that posted on my TikTok and my Twitter. It's

1117
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,159
very graphic. There's a Native American woman to my left,

1118
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400
and then there's a full blown apparition of a man

1119
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,679
to my right, his heads above the door knobs, and

1120
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,639
then directly to the right of him as a woman's

1121
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,599
kind of like loone hair and she has glasses on.

1122
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,320
Don't know who they are. I know him, I've seen

1123
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,800
him a few different times. I remember the Indian lady.

1124
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,920
She looks scary. She looks like like one of those

1125
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,679
characters from the Grudge, but she wasn't scary in real life.

1126
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:52,679
The guy terrified me. I feel like she was just

1127
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,360
around because you know, the way is Native American. It's

1128
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,159
really old, and you know, like they just kind of

1129
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,000
like cut everything down and just built house it on

1130
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:00,800
top of it. So I kind of made sense on

1131
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,679
why she was there. But like the guy, he just

1132
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,920
really creeped me out. And then having to deal with

1133
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,039
all this paranormal stuff and not understanding it, and then

1134
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:09,519
having kids and then them growing up and then them

1135
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:12,159
dealing with the stuff. It really that's when I opened up,

1136
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,239
because like when I started, when I had my kids,

1137
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,320
so I kind of like I cut off everybody. I

1138
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:18,559
didn't come back. I never went back and visited my

1139
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:21,079
adopted family. I haven't seen them at all since my

1140
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,559
adopted father died. I refused to go back into that state,

1141
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,679
not because I don't love them. I would love to

1142
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:30,559
see my adopted dad's side. I don't know how I

1143
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:34,039
could handle being in the same state with my adopted

1144
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:37,119
mother and my adopted step mother without showing my ass

1145
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,039
and probably going to jail, just because you know, like,

1146
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:41,400
I've never even talked about what my stepmother did to me.

1147
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:43,559
She committed fraud. She did a lot of stuff, but

1148
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:45,840
she's not the biggest fish to fry like that woman.

1149
00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:48,440
When my dad died, used the will from when I

1150
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,880
was five years old to take my entire inheritance. She

1151
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,480
forged my adopted mother's tignature to sell the house. Her

1152
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:57,719
boss helped her do it. And the only reason why

1153
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,599
he helped her do it is because they were sleeping

1154
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,400
with each other. And I know he's threatened to assume me,

1155
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,039
but I didn't say your name, so you can kiss

1156
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:04,679
my ass. But you did sleep with my step mom.

1157
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,719
I walked in on you, and that's the reason why

1158
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,800
you bought my stepmoma Pete Cruiser and help my dad

1159
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,039
buy the moor Cycle. And I didn't respect my dad

1160
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:13,440
because I didn't understand why he didn't say anything, but

1161
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,840
I guess it was because he was terrified of what

1162
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,480
had happened to me, what happened to my little sister.

1163
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:20,800
And that's the only reason why I did not fight

1164
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:24,159
the will when my dad died, was because my little

1165
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:26,320
sister had just turned nine years old and she had

1166
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,440
just lost the father. And even though she doesn't know

1167
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,719
that that's not her real father, I will never let her.

1168
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,559
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna tell the whole truth.

1169
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,679
She could just continue to live off my inheritance and

1170
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,719
be fine, That's okay with me. It hurts, but at

1171
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,760
the same time, I just I want to have her

1172
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,760
best chance. That was the hardest thing I think I

1173
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,320
ever had a walk off with that image in my

1174
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,440
head that I could just wait till she was eighteen

1175
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,760
and we could just pick it up. And unfortunately, that's

1176
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,920
a really long time for her to be stuck in

1177
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,440
that pit. And you know, she went through it the

1178
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,800
abuse after I was no longer there to take the

1179
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,000
front of it, and I didn't realize the extent of

1180
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,599
the damage that it done to her, to the point

1181
00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:04,199
where she was trying to unlive herself they lost her

1182
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,559
in a facility, she got pregnant, the controlled her baby.

1183
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,760
It was a really big nightmare situation for a long time.

1184
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,639
But now she's happy. Now she's she has a good job.

1185
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,559
You know, she seems to be really good. I you know,

1186
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:18,559
will love her from a distance, but I just don't

1187
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,519
want her to get her involved in this type of scenario.

1188
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,639
I think it's safer for her to just be oblivious

1189
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:25,360
to it. I don't think her dad would have wanted

1190
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,000
her to have to go through all this drama that

1191
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:30,000
I've had to unpack. I mean, I've written it all

1192
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:31,880
down for her so she can read it. Just I

1193
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,440
would hope to have it solved before before it got

1194
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,159
to that. That's my biggest fear is you know that

1195
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,320
pouring onto my children and then my siblings, just because

1196
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:41,800
you know, that's the only reason why I took it

1197
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,320
all in the first place, so they didn't have to.

1198
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:46,719
Speaker 5: So what are you hoping to get out of all this?

1199
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,239
Are you trying to track down more people that that

1200
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,320
possibly knew your father.

1201
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to get more photos of that's possible.

1202
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,599
That's one little thing, but I would like to ultimately,

1203
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:58,559
I'd like to see this, say, North Carolina for my

1204
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:01,519
sealed adoption file from by the records. I'd like for

1205
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:03,920
them to have to prove why it's not there, and

1206
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,000
then I would like to get justice for my father

1207
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,559
being handed at baby the day became a Green Beret,

1208
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:11,159
where they'll ultimately just you know, I mean, I know

1209
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:13,360
my mom can't get an apology, but they could publicly

1210
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,320
apologize for it happening or maybe bring awareness to change it,

1211
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,000
because this is something that's that's continuing to happen. You know,

1212
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:22,400
there's children that are going missing, there are children that

1213
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,320
are being tortured. This is a really deep, disgusting rabbit

1214
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,239
hole to go down. But once you understand how big

1215
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:33,000
it is, you I feel like you kind of have

1216
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:35,599
like a moral obligation to not turn your cheek to it.

1217
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:37,760
So like that's why I tell people like tread Lay,

1218
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,519
don't start researching, don't start digging if you don't have

1219
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:44,199
the emotional capacity to finish it, because it'll finish you.

1220
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,000
It'll it'll really eat at you internally, just because you

1221
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:49,840
know that little bubble that you always lived in is

1222
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,920
no longer there. That safety that of you know, all

1223
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,119
the world really is is crushed and I think that's

1224
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:58,119
the hardest part for people to grasp. So I would

1225
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:01,119
like to change the narrative. I'd like to have awareness.

1226
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:03,039
I'd like for it to be safe for people to

1227
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:06,519
talk about uncomfortable stuff. Even if they thought I was crazy,

1228
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:08,679
I would respect them, you know what I mean, because, like,

1229
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,840
for one, even if I was crazy, which I'm not,

1230
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,039
I have an amazing therapist, But if I was, what

1231
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:15,639
if I was schizophrenic? People some of the things that

1232
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:17,800
they've said to me. I've been told to kill myself,

1233
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,039
or I should die on my birthday like my mom did,

1234
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:22,320
or did your mom even really die on your birthday?

1235
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,599
Like people are cruel on the internet. Like even if

1236
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:27,639
you didn't believe me, saying things like that are why

1237
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:29,800
people want to live themselves in the first place. So

1238
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,280
I would love to bring awareness to that stuff. You know,

1239
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,039
there's a difference between debating and calling people out and

1240
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:41,280
being an asshole, being sadistic, being part of the problem.

1241
00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:43,320
So you know, there's a lot of people on this

1242
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,199
on these apps that I don't fully agree with, that

1243
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:48,199
I don't fully believe in. But you're never going to

1244
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:53,000
see me just bullying them for that. That's absolutely not okay.

1245
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:55,559
The only people you will ever see me getting attitudes

1246
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:57,480
with are the ones that are acting like that to

1247
00:59:57,519 --> 00:59:59,880
others or the ones that think it's okay to be

1248
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,880
predators on this app. I have no problem taking down

1249
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,320
you knows at all. I will find any information I can.

1250
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,119
I will give it to the proper authorities, unapologetic. That's

1251
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:11,480
you know. I would just like to see transparency. I

1252
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,079
would like to get justice and maybe some answers, just

1253
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:19,320
so that I can just understand my roots, just process it. Why,

1254
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:20,599
you know, I'm not I don't think I'm ever going

1255
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,159
to get why it happened. I just want to know

1256
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:26,840
what all happened, who all was involved, and if these

1257
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,239
projects are stopped. I would like to know if that

1258
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,079
they're they're done, that no more kids are being affected

1259
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:33,679
by it, and if they are being affected by it,

1260
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,679
I want those to be brought to the light and

1261
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,639
I want them to be you know, taken down. I

1262
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:41,800
think that this needs to be full transparency all the

1263
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,440
way around the board. Politicians, doctors, teachers, you know, because

1264
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,719
you know that big old bust in Ohio where they

1265
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,679
got all those officials that were you know, involved in

1266
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:52,679
that human trafficking ring. Those are people that you trusted.

1267
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,360
That's where most of these individuals are people that you

1268
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,320
would not think twice about it. So honestly getting this

1269
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,880
stuff out here, getting these prep these corrupt politicians out

1270
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,599
of their seat, you know, and a lot of people

1271
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:05,400
need to be going to jail, a lot of people

1272
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,559
need to be apologized to. And even if we don't

1273
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:09,920
get to apology, it's just you know, getting that justice,

1274
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:11,679
making a difference so that other people don't have to

1275
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,800
go through this again. If that's all that I get

1276
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,960
is helping someone else so they don't have to live

1277
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,159
through that, I'll be okay, I'll be happy. But I

1278
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:21,400
think that people need to get comfortable with being uncomfortable

1279
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,559
in order to implement change. That's the best device I

1280
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:26,480
can give to them is you know, like there are

1281
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:28,960
people that are really hurting right now that have gone

1282
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,159
through this stuff or having to walk it off. That's

1283
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:32,800
the biggest thing I think I've ever had to deal

1284
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,039
with is the expectations that my peers have had for me,

1285
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,000
expecting me to walk and talk and be normal or

1286
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:40,840
stuck it up and walk it off, or why can't

1287
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,639
you just move past it? You know? I get that

1288
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:44,639
all the time, and I'm like, you're not understanding, Like

1289
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:46,599
this is something that I don't know anything else other

1290
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:48,639
than that, I don't know how to let go, like

1291
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:50,760
if we're going to be honest. And I've done years

1292
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,719
of therapy. I write, I do art, I've done burn books.

1293
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,599
I've even wrote messages to the people that abused me,

1294
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:01,159
and of course they left me unread. But everything, I'm like,

1295
01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:03,719
and I'm thankful. I have everything. I have all those

1296
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,639
screenshots and everything, so it's all time Stampton dated. I

1297
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,239
really fought hard just for these people to apologize. I

1298
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,960
had never gone public, I'd have lived my life out.

1299
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,880
I'd have been quiet. I'd you'd never know my name.

1300
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:19,679
But they wouldn't. They wouldn't say sorry. Nobody cared. They

1301
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,000
really After my mom died on my birthday, everybody thought

1302
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:25,360
that it was endgame, because I mean I spiled for

1303
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,920
a little bit. That was really difficult to process getting,

1304
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,239
you know, finding out on Facebook that your mom had

1305
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,400
died on your birthday while you were at work. That

1306
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:34,760
really ate me up. The fact that they they pulled

1307
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,920
the plug without my permission and I'm our only child,

1308
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,599
that really messed me up. But it also motivated me

1309
01:02:39,679 --> 01:02:42,239
because my mom she wanted justice too. She was just

1310
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,360
too scared to face them. But she wrote a book

1311
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,440
before she passed. She did the twenty three and me

1312
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:49,800
Dnahs that Christmas as well. She also had a Twitter account,

1313
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,559
which I didn't know, so I'm trying to get access

1314
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:52,840
to that because I would love to know who she

1315
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,760
was following. She also had files on people that I

1316
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,840
don't know what they were, how they were involved in

1317
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,360
her story, but she had the criminal record is where

1318
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,239
they lived that, so I would like to know, you know,

1319
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,719
why she was looking into these people and where you know,

1320
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,000
what role they play in I'm still missing like ten

1321
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:09,000
years of her wife. I have no clue what she

1322
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:11,000
was doing or what she was running. Well, I know

1323
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:12,920
who she was running from, but I don't know what

1324
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,159
she witnessed, you know. So there's still pieces of these chapters,

1325
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:18,519
but I don't know all of it. And I would

1326
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,280
definitely like to learn more control over these abilities, you know,

1327
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,039
because like I've have sad success stories like I found

1328
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:27,880
my mom through a dream, but I also helped find

1329
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,119
a thirteen year old that was kidnapped back in March.

1330
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,400
The FBI was involved, but they were treating it like

1331
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,880
a runaway case. She was groomed online by a twenty

1332
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,679
nine year old man from New York, and she lived

1333
01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:40,159
in Pennsylvania and he's heard her across state lines. The

1334
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,800
FBI was more involved with how I got his information

1335
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,360
than locating her. They took almost eight hours to go

1336
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,400
and get her. They did find her where we said

1337
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,639
she was, but she was already assaulted by that point.

1338
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,639
Or she is alive, she's okay. But I feel like

1339
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:54,960
that was a huge fail. The fact that they didn't

1340
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:58,480
issue an amber alert, they weren't even really actively searching

1341
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,960
for her, and the fact that I, what three four

1342
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,239
states away, just using his Xbox account name his first

1343
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,920
name in the states from was able to find him.

1344
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:10,599
Realized that his actual address is four and a half

1345
01:04:10,679 --> 01:04:13,039
hours away from where she was abducted. It's not logical

1346
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:14,920
for him to go there. So I started looking into

1347
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,280
his family members, anyone that had any criminal records. Came

1348
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,199
across an uncle that lived an hour and a half away.

1349
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,719
So looked in you know, Google maps, you know, trying

1350
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,519
to pinpoint, you know, see if this was it, And

1351
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:28,039
it looked like a compound, and I say, there's vehicles, cars, campers.

1352
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:30,199
It really looked like a sketch place and it was

1353
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:32,960
screaming at me. So I texted the FBI on the

1354
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,519
case workers I had his number, so I have all

1355
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:37,719
the screenshots from this whole interaction, which is funny. I

1356
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,960
let them take, you know, credit, publicly, but I can

1357
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,400
prove that they didn't solve this in text. But that

1358
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,480
wasn't the goal. The goal was getting her own founder.

1359
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:48,440
So she was the actual only surviving person that I've

1360
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,599
helped find. I did find three other missing people here

1361
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:54,440
in Harnett County, unfortunately, though by the time we found them,

1362
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:58,119
they were already deceased. So it's kind of interesting to

1363
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,639
get some validation on this type of stuff. But at

1364
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:02,559
the same time, I still don't know what I'm doing.

1365
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,119
This just comes. It hijacks my life, you know, and

1366
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:06,559
I would like to learn more control.

1367
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 5: Oh what did you stop doing that?

1368
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: Oh since I was a little girl, I've been able

1369
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,960
to do that for a very long time. I just

1370
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:13,960
I kind of shut it down for a little bit.

1371
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:16,239
Not really, I couldn't always shut it down. Sometimes you

1372
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,079
just do. But I was able to compartnervententilize it for

1373
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:21,599
for a long time. I saw I've always seen one

1374
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:27,199
USO and that was August second, twenty eleven, ten forty

1375
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,679
nine pm in Warsaw, North Carolina. There are videos all

1376
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:33,679
over YouTube from like Greensboro and Raleigh where they saw

1377
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:36,679
it flying, but we saw it land. It did not crash,

1378
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,159
There was no explosion. It landed. I was in the

1379
01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:41,599
middle of a calfield, like we're literally playing like hide

1380
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:44,239
and seeking, me and my cousin cow fields. Huge. This

1381
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,159
thing was huge, you know. And I didn't really believe

1382
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:47,920
in UFOs back then, even though I loved to rite

1383
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,360
pat and I saw some things I could not explain.

1384
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:53,360
I always associated everything as parallel. I don't know why.

1385
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,920
Maybe it was my brain. So they have coping, but

1386
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,440
everything was paranormal to me. So seeing that with my

1387
01:05:57,519 --> 01:05:59,920
own eyes, seeing it land and then you know, we

1388
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:02,440
had this humming noise and then right after that we

1389
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,239
saw this orange like Chloe ball come close. It was

1390
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,000
zipping and zooming and then it zoomed off. It landed

1391
01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:10,519
at a private airport and more saw in North Carolina.

1392
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,960
The military was in there within thirty minutes. They had

1393
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,159
already shut down the roads. There was no getting back

1394
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:17,639
in there. I assumed that it was military aircraft the

1395
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:20,079
simple fact that it landed at an airport. Why would

1396
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:21,960
it land at airport in the middle of nowhere. It's

1397
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,719
like forty five minutes either direction to a walmart. There's

1398
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,159
nothing out there in Duplin County, you know. And I'm

1399
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:29,039
not the only person that saw it that, Like, I

1400
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,199
just thought it was crazy, you know, to see that

1401
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,519
with my own eyes, That's not something that I'd ever

1402
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:37,599
ed or thought possible. Ghost spirits, that stuff that doesn't

1403
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:40,079
fade me, but that creeps me out. Especially the noise.

1404
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:42,079
The noise, I just can't. I don't understand it. It was

1405
01:06:42,119 --> 01:06:42,840
a weird home.

1406
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 5: It was so weird interesting stuff. What would do is

1407
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:48,440
if you give us your father's name again, because we've

1408
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,840
got a lot of listeners, which veterans that are retired,

1409
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:54,559
so maybe someone worked with your father at a time

1410
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:56,719
might have a little bit more information for you. Can

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01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,239
you give us his name again and where he was located.

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Speaker 1: Sure, his name was Master Sergeant Stephen Maggert. He was

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at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. I know he used to

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teach terrorism classes with INSCOM, so a lot of people

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will remember him from that. He also he did a

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lot of contract work too. And then my grandfather's name

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was Sanders Eugene Maggret. He went by Jean. And then

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my grandmother's name is Anne Elizabeth Jutman djup m A

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N and she was a psychic remote viewer for the CIA.

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So if you look up her name, you'll see that

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she pops up on CI dot gov and you can

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read her non disclosure agreement.

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Speaker 5: Wonderful. So if anyone out there has any information at all,

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reach out to me and I will pass it on

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to Angela and try and get you some few answers

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and hopefully, in the future, some closure.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you so much for having me Angela.

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Speaker 5: I really appreciate you coming on sharing all that for

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our listeners.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you giving me a space to talk.

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Speaker 2: About this stuff.

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Speaker 5: You're more than welcome. You enjoyed the rest of your week. Now, okay,

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and I will speak soon to you, all right, take

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care for now, thank good night, Okay, goodnight. That is

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all for this episode. Keep updated and connected with the

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show on x Facebook and Instagram, And if you have

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an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,

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you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,

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or you can reach out to me via the contact

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page on my website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A

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big thank you to Ryan and Angela for sharing tonight,

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and thank you all for listening. I will be back

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next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching Uskies. Goodbye,