Speaker 1: Taddy, y'all, and welcome to the Deep Blue Sea the Podcast.
Speaker 1: On this a here show, we've been through the whole
Speaker 1: Deep Blue Sea trilogy, scene bass scene. We're doing it again,
Speaker 1: but not today. Today we're targeting about a Western. We
Speaker 1: don't get to do that much on this here show,
Speaker 1: so I get to start the show like this.
Speaker 2: And no more of that. Talk about Rango today. I
Speaker 2: am Ja Clow. I'm your host, Jake Cluer. I like
Speaker 2: doing Western voices when I can sometimes. What about Rango?
Speaker 2: It's our year of reptiles, and hey, Rango stars a chameleon,
Speaker 2: and I love Rango, so I wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 2: That's what we're doing. What is Rango? It was a
Speaker 2: twenty eleven film directed by Coorovinski, starring Johnny Depp, Ida Fisher, Abbigil, President,
Speaker 2: Alfred Molina, Bill Nye, Haroydine Stanton Ray Winston, timoth Yonovant,
Speaker 2: Stephen Root In like five roles stacked cast of people
Speaker 2: doing funny Western voices in this film about a hampered
Speaker 2: theatrical chameleon who gets ejected from his cozy but lonely
Speaker 2: lifestyle and stumbles onto the town of Dirt, where there's
Speaker 2: some water crisis. The water is the currency. The bank
Speaker 2: holds the water, the bank's run dry. It's a metaphor.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's. It's very vague. I just
Speaker 2: could be for anything. I don't know. We'll get into it.
Speaker 2: So no Mark today, but I have a wonderful guest.
Speaker 2: It's his third time on the show. He loves animated films,
Speaker 2: so he's the perfect guest for this one. From Blueprint Review.
Speaker 2: It's Andy Gording. Andy, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: Hi Jay, it's great to be back. During that on introduction,
Speaker 3: I was just weighing up my options as to whether
Speaker 3: I sho Western voice as well, but I'm I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I couldn't see myself getting away with it, so I
Speaker 3: decided to come on as knee.
Speaker 2: That's why early on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always it was a pleasure to talk to
Speaker 3: you day. It's a shame Mark couldn't be here. But
Speaker 3: when you said the email saying that that Mark can't
Speaker 3: make it today, honestly I was there was a slight disappointment,
Speaker 3: and then there was an element of relief because you
Speaker 3: just have to be so on your toes with Mark
Speaker 3: when it comes to unpredictable tangents. I've said before, I
Speaker 3: think I think you and Mark are one of the
Speaker 3: great comedy double acts when it comes to podcasting. And
Speaker 3: obviously I've got you both as Facebook friends now, so
Speaker 3: I know what you look like. But back before that,
Speaker 3: when I used to listen to you, I used to
Speaker 3: picture you as a sort of abane and sort of
Speaker 3: endlessly patient British dog owner and Mark as a sort
Speaker 3: of anthropomorphic labrador puppy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's there's some episodes where I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm just hanging on for your life. See where is
Speaker 2: this going? When it's just like just me. Then we
Speaker 2: tend to talk about the film where Marks marks and Yeah.
Speaker 3: You're more likely to ask something like what did you
Speaker 3: think of Deep Blue cy two? Mark is likely to
Speaker 3: have something like so if if a shark ever he've
Speaker 3: dropped on you, what would that conversation be about? And
Speaker 3: how would that shark use that information against you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which something we'll be talking about very soon because
Speaker 2: we are gearing up for our Deep Blue Seed to coverage.
Speaker 2: I am currently working on the script for it. It's
Speaker 2: going through line by line, listening to it and just
Speaker 2: just getting back into the deep Spirit of Things, but
Speaker 2: you watched it recently for the first time. I don't
Speaker 2: want to go into it too much because we will
Speaker 2: of course have you on as a guest for that season.
Speaker 2: But any initial thoughts, any regrets at this point that
Speaker 2: you'll be coming on to talk about, well.
Speaker 3: I looked onlikes. I've bought a copy of this from ourselves,
Speaker 3: as I did with the previous Deeply Uh. I looked online.
Speaker 3: I saw the strong feelings about this film online. It's
Speaker 3: got I think it's got like a one point eight
Speaker 3: on letterbox or something like that, and everyone talks about
Speaker 3: how what a disaster it is. And people kept saying
Speaker 3: that it's just dumb, and I thought that's the worst
Speaker 3: thing a film can be for me. It's just dulle
Speaker 3: So I went into it with very low expectations. But
Speaker 3: I comed through to try and find a positive review.
Speaker 3: First of all. One of that I found just said
Speaker 3: sharks are never done, and I agree. I actually had
Speaker 3: a fun time with Deep Blue C two. I think
Speaker 3: you've got it about right with your letterbox rating, which
Speaker 3: is two point five stars. It's not it's not a
Speaker 3: good film, but it's not boring at all.
Speaker 2: When when people ask us about the sequels, We say
Speaker 2: two is fun. Three is good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because because next time I come on here, I'll
Speaker 3: watch three and I see that that it's quite a
Speaker 3: lot of love.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think the main issue people have with
Speaker 2: two is it feels like it's trying to do one again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: likes it follows a lot of the similar beats, but
Speaker 2: on a much smaller budget and kind of sillier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with the whole plot's kind of B movie thing
Speaker 4: that there's a charm to that that that small scale
Speaker 4: version of the the original.
Speaker 2: Whereas three is its own beast. It actually follows directly
Speaker 2: on from two, but the only continuing characters are the sharks.
Speaker 2: In the two, there are some sharks out there, they
Speaker 2: don't solve the problem, and so three is like, well
Speaker 2: there's some sharks out there, what happens next. It's a
Speaker 2: different thing, it's a different beast, and it's well done.
Speaker 2: It's very good. And because we have the director and
Speaker 2: star on the.
Speaker 3: Show, I can listen now I've seen it, because there's
Speaker 3: a lot I liked about it. I like Michael Beach,
Speaker 3: like Nathan Lynn's performance, but he's good. I like some
Speaker 3: of the effects are quite cool. The partially eaten face
Speaker 3: at the window.
Speaker 2: And a guy gets perforated in half my little baby,
Speaker 2: that's very cool.
Speaker 3: In the man tan the shark to kiss his ass
Speaker 3: and then immediately getting his head bitteren off, that's cool
Speaker 3: and of course too early, which I imagine is a big
Speaker 3: talking point which she'd probably gone over in detail before.
Speaker 3: Is the deves dropping sharks?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is that it's the Limitless Juices? Mark always calls it. Uh,
Speaker 2: the it's that whole plot of like he's trying to
Speaker 2: make shark smarter so he can defeat the robot apocalypse. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: sure h is the film? Okay, so yeah, we'll listeners
Speaker 2: look in your feed soon for our second go around
Speaker 2: covering deep chapter chapter. But now we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about Wrango.
Speaker 3: Okay, brilliant.
Speaker 2: So you jumped this when when I send you the
Speaker 2: email that the list actually I had sent you weren't
Speaker 2: the first personal emailed to be on the rept hole
Speaker 2: charge just going through my list, but when I got
Speaker 2: to you, I was like, wait a minute, Rango, and
Speaker 2: I put Rango.
Speaker 3: In the list and.
Speaker 2: Then you think about it worked and I jumped for it.
Speaker 2: What is it about Rango that I predicted you in love.
Speaker 3: It's the animation, isn't it. It's obviously it's a it's funny.
Speaker 3: I saw Rango there and it's it's a film that
Speaker 3: I'd see. I think I might have seen it twice before,
Speaker 3: even but I've kind of forgotten a lot about it,
Speaker 3: and I remember when it came out. It was a
Speaker 3: really good year for the animated feature Oscar category. Uh
Speaker 3: and this this broke. This won it and it broke
Speaker 3: a four year run by by Pixar. It's happened to
Speaker 3: be the year the Pixar submission was Cars two, so
Speaker 3: that wasn't going and Disney's submission was just there, so
Speaker 3: good but fairly modest. Winnie the Poo re Boots. So
Speaker 3: the big the big names were kind of out of
Speaker 3: the run. But the other the other nominees that years
Speaker 3: A Cat in Paris, which is a great little French
Speaker 3: animated film. There's Puss in Boots, which I really like,
Speaker 3: but I kind of had a grudge you get Trang
Speaker 3: because it beat two of my absolute favorites. There's a
Speaker 3: Spanish film called Cheeko and Rita, which is a film
Speaker 3: I love. And then there was also Kung Fu Panda Tu,
Speaker 3: which is my favorite dream.
Speaker 2: Works but oh wow, okay I did.
Speaker 3: I did a blueprint reviewer rundown of all the DreamWorks
Speaker 3: films and that that came out on top. And then
Speaker 3: also that that year, that's like I looked up the
Speaker 3: other submissions that yet, there's some good films. The Adventures
Speaker 3: of Tin Tins submitted for consideration ares a film called Wrinkles,
Speaker 3: a Spanish film setting old people saying, which I really like,
Speaker 3: and Arthur Christmas was also something. It's like, yeah, a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of good possibilities that year, But
Speaker 3: I thought, so, why is it about Rango that won?
Speaker 3: So I rewatched it and it's terrific. I really loved it.
Speaker 3: I've watched it twice in the last week in preparation
Speaker 3: for this, but also just because I wanted to watch
Speaker 3: it twice because I I don't know if I forgot
Speaker 3: how good it was or just that I didn't realize
Speaker 3: the first time around how good it was. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I really loved it. I don't know a lot about
Speaker 3: gor Vibinski as a as a director. I've seen The Ring.
Speaker 3: I think that's the first of Binsky, and I've seen
Speaker 3: the first Pirates of the Caribbean and Rango, so they're
Speaker 3: the only ones that I've I've seen, but this stands
Speaker 3: out as his best film to me.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask because he's a director that I've
Speaker 2: seen all but his most recent too. I missed a
Speaker 2: Cure for Wellness, and I really I really tried to
Speaker 2: see Good Luck, How Fun Don't Die, but it's just
Speaker 2: it didn't line up. So I will track down someone
Speaker 2: this year. But he's a director who I do really enjoy,
Speaker 2: and we've covered all of his Pirates films. We've had
Speaker 2: all of the Pirates films on this show, really, and
Speaker 2: I can't believe you haven't seen mouse Hunt. It was
Speaker 2: like a very andy film.
Speaker 3: I did see that when I was looking to her,
Speaker 3: and I thought, oh, he directed that, And then I thought, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've never seen Mason. You think I've enjoying Mason.
Speaker 2: It's been a little while since I've seen it. I
Speaker 2: recently put it on my list of top five films
Speaker 2: with brothers in on Movie Rob's Band of Brothers podcast,
Speaker 2: because it's got Lee Evans and Nathan Layton as brothers
Speaker 2: who like Inherit this textile factory and it's got a
Speaker 2: mouse in it, and like hilarity ensues and I'm trying
Speaker 2: to catch it. So it's like if it I think
Speaker 2: it relies a lot on Lee Evans as a comedian,
Speaker 2: and he's like physical comedy. So if you're if you're
Speaker 2: into that, which quite so I would recommend and I
Speaker 2: need to. We're we're debating like doing a Mammal Year
Speaker 2: at some point, and I've already like mid the list,
Speaker 2: it's got mouse on on it for Mammal Year, and
Speaker 2: now I'm thinking, should we do the Kung Fry Pounder
Speaker 2: Trojan of Quartette because I love the first one. The
Speaker 2: first one is is maybe my favorite dream Works film.
Speaker 3: I think the first one. I think it came third
Speaker 3: on my list of DreamWorks films, just after The Wild
Speaker 3: roboton number two.
Speaker 2: That's fair. I think I've only seen I have not
Speaker 2: seen Company Pounder four, but two and three i've seen
Speaker 2: once a piece and just kind of thought that's fine,
Speaker 2: but I definitely need to go back and give them
Speaker 2: another shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, four is okay, it's a I think I
Speaker 3: think I put four above three actually, but two has
Speaker 3: always been has always been my favorite. I absolutely love
Speaker 3: to that with instead of raptiles.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a snake in the and Master I
Speaker 2: think it is. Johan van Dam plays Master Croc.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's the two is the one with Gary Alban
Speaker 2: as a peacock.
Speaker 3: Gary hung through hating peacock.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, So we could do that for bird year
Speaker 2: who knows? So yeah, yeah, interesting phomography. And I feel
Speaker 2: like Rango has always like stood out, was like, wait,
Speaker 2: he did animated film, because there's not many, you know,
Speaker 2: there's tend to be you'll know this more than me
Speaker 2: live action directors, animated directors. There's not a lot of
Speaker 2: directors who like straddle that. You get your Andrew Stanton,
Speaker 2: who did John Yeah? Did John Carter?
Speaker 3: I think you did? Yeah, Wes Anderson the uh what's
Speaker 3: he called? Did the Pinocchio?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, you get, you get Occasionally they try
Speaker 3: their hand. Brad Bird, yes, yes, but he's got he's
Speaker 3: got a new one coming out this year, hasn't it.
Speaker 2: I I don't know. I didn't really have to think.
Speaker 3: I think he has. I think he has. I think
Speaker 3: it's a Netflix it is it called Reggae Gun.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have heard that it's not about The Australian
Speaker 2: A breakdowncer It's just something else. It follows Raymond Gunn,
Speaker 2: a human detective in a world inhabited by aliens. Good
Speaker 2: sold by Sam Rockwell, Hell and Tom Waits. Isn't it fantastic?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Yeah, that's who's the.
Speaker 2: Rango has stood out on his TV. To me has
Speaker 2: been like he did Rango, okay, and then you watch
Speaker 2: it and you haven't seen the rest of the Pirates films, but.
Speaker 3: It's no, no, but I can. I can get that
Speaker 3: that kind of vibe a little bit from it. I
Speaker 3: should go back and watch those those parts because I
Speaker 3: remember quite enjoying the first one. But that Johnny Depp's
Speaker 3: pumps gets on my nerves? Why?
Speaker 2: How how so I get it? And like that in
Speaker 2: the first film, that's the one that's got the least
Speaker 2: amount of him in it. Yeah, because he's a supporting
Speaker 2: character in the first one, and then he is the
Speaker 2: lead in two and three, and then he's very much
Speaker 2: the lead in four at five. Uh, I love one,
Speaker 2: two and three, I'll be honest, I really I think
Speaker 2: Babinski the first three he did and you can really
Speaker 2: tell there's a lot of cebrities between the third one
Speaker 2: At World's End and Rango like the the dream sequence
Speaker 2: or you know, the stuff with the Spirit of the
Speaker 2: West where he's like in a bleach bleached landscape. There's
Speaker 2: a dream sequence kind of thing in at World's End
Speaker 2: where Jack Sparrow is like just in this other world
Speaker 2: and it looks the same, it's all bleached. And the
Speaker 2: bit where all the little pillbugs carry him along the
Speaker 2: exact exact same thing happens in that Pirates film with
Speaker 2: like there's a stone that turns into a crab and
Speaker 2: then there's a million crabs and they're all like carrying
Speaker 2: him on a boat, and it's my favorite bit of
Speaker 2: like what is this doing at a Pirates fill? What
Speaker 2: are we watching here? Not at Weld's End doesn't get
Speaker 2: a lot of love, so bear that in mind if
Speaker 2: you are gonna watch more of that franchise. Get Long
Speaker 2: Ago as well as A Little Bit Too Long two
Speaker 2: has my favorite action sequence in the franchise, which is
Speaker 2: its giant wheel rolling around with people like fighting on
Speaker 2: the giant wheel, and you get Davy Jones introduced Bill Nye,
Speaker 2: one of the best CGI characters of all time, just
Speaker 2: the full time just of all time, there's enough in there.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they are for kids, so I think your
Speaker 2: son would probably be all right with them. I forget
Speaker 2: how old he is, he's six in a few years, yeah, yeah, two, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe give a give it four or five years.
Speaker 3: We've got about The Lone Ranger? Is that any good?
Speaker 2: No? The Lone Ranger is very much a This film
Speaker 2: is too long. This film is too long. It stars
Speaker 2: are cannibal And how long is it is? It's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's two and a half hours. It feels it. There's
Speaker 2: a good action sequence in it, but it's like quite
Speaker 2: near the end, I think, And it's been edited all
Speaker 2: to pieces, like when Helen Carter is in it as
Speaker 2: a character who I think in one draft was a
Speaker 2: were wolf and then she wasn't, and then what there's
Speaker 2: there's like some bits of the plot where she is
Speaker 2: a wolf when she's it's it's a mess. I've only
Speaker 2: seen it the once. I don't plan. I don't plan
Speaker 2: to go back and do it watch it again.
Speaker 3: And I'm intrigued by it because our mutual friend David
Speaker 3: Brooke has given it for Stars later Box amongst all
Speaker 3: the or the terrible reviews. So I'm interested to see
Speaker 3: what he sees in it.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he watched it on a weekend of trash.
Speaker 2: You just like a bit of track, doesn't he, David,
Speaker 2: We can't all be right all the time. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: that's gos an interesting career. I hope he keeps making
Speaker 2: films because they're always weird. I like that he makes choices,
Speaker 2: and the choice he made when he made Rango is
Speaker 2: to make all the characters look disgusting, and I love it.
Speaker 3: That was my first written down. Incredibly ugly characters.
Speaker 2: Some of the most off putting things you'll ever see
Speaker 2: in a film that's inherently for kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, straight away, the mole, the moral character called Boufa,
Speaker 3: that he might be the most distressing creation, enormous like phallic,
Speaker 3: drooping face stangler. It's I guess the nose would be
Speaker 3: the technical I'm sure. Yeah, creeping phallic face danglers. That
Speaker 3: it just you can picture it from that, that's exactly
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 2: And there's like there's a character with an arrow through
Speaker 2: his eye.
Speaker 3: Yes, one of the.
Speaker 2: Background characters is like a turkey that looks just appalling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's some very disturbing frug breasts, and there
Speaker 3: absolutely yes. Sure, Even even the merry Archie band consisting
Speaker 3: of small owls, which should be an intrinsically cute notion,
Speaker 3: they're not pretty.
Speaker 2: And there's one bit where they've seen singing while was
Speaker 2: being hung or perhaps like from nooses, which feels I
Speaker 2: don't know, I didn't really appreciate that bit. But yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a spider.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot about him. He does this big like
Speaker 3: tooth not toothless, but very strange tooth grin.
Speaker 2: The first character that Rango meets is called road kill
Speaker 2: yellow that's been run.
Speaker 3: Through, isn't he?
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah?
Speaker 3: And even not even the big like Rango himself. He's
Speaker 3: probably the most attractive character in it, which isn't insane,
Speaker 3: like even like the big like beans is pretty hideous.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean you're forgetting that, Like the mayor's assistant Fox,
Speaker 2: I'm a fan.
Speaker 3: Also, the the one character could sort of edge in
Speaker 3: towards cute. What's he called? He's one of the one
Speaker 3: of the ones that I have forgotten His names? Well Stephen,
Speaker 3: step yeah, of course is this the bank I love
Speaker 3: Stephen who who voice? Yeah, the banker, And he's he's
Speaker 3: like a squirrel character and he's he's not horrior like
Speaker 3: Abysmal Bucket, but he gets murdered.
Speaker 2: He gets drowned in the desert. Well mostly we don't
Speaker 2: see it. Yeah, and you know, there is a child character,
Speaker 2: Abigail Bresident voices Priscilla, who I'm not sure what animals
Speaker 2: she's supposed to be some kind of but she's like
Speaker 2: obsessed with death and being killed and taking their boots
Speaker 2: and things. So like she's the child surrogate of this film.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 3: She's not gonna know. She's not very cute. She looks diseased,
Speaker 3: a strange kind of a strange kind of sickness in
Speaker 3: her eyes.
Speaker 2: She is apparently a cactus smell a cactus mouse. Wikipedia. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all there's a bunch of like I love this one.
Speaker 2: It picks animals that a lot of us have never
Speaker 2: seen before. I think, like when he there's that rock
Speaker 2: creature that he just cann of. Oh yeah, those camouflage
Speaker 2: of the rock that tries to help me out that
Speaker 2: what is that thing? What is it? I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's a rock thing.
Speaker 3: I think I was predisposed to like because all of
Speaker 3: my favorite animals are ugly and awkward. There's something I've
Speaker 3: been drawn to that. I love the moose. They're really
Speaker 3: awkward looking turkeys. I've always loved turkeys Selena Dunn's They're
Speaker 3: they're weird looking things, and I love that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I can't imagine it's easy to get such hideous creations
Speaker 3: past studio executives. They must have given go O Verbinski
Speaker 3: quite quite free reign to to create this, because normally
Speaker 3: they in animated films, they're trying to push cute, pushing
Speaker 3: the toys. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's famously in Moonlan
Speaker 3: there's the character called Kricky, a little cricket who was
Speaker 3: forced on the production by Michael Eisner, and the mats
Speaker 3: hated Criky so much because they had to keep putting
Speaker 3: him in there and they had nothing to do with it. Apparently,
Speaker 3: there was a meeting where they went through a big
Speaker 3: they fleshed out like a big action scene with Milan everyone.
Speaker 3: They had it all covered, and then at the end
Speaker 3: of at the end of the big speech where they've
Speaker 3: got it all worked out, someone put the hand up
Speaker 3: and said, what's the cricket doing during all this? And
Speaker 3: the guy said, to hell with the cricket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just googled like Rango toys and there's not
Speaker 2: a lot, so I don't think or there's like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a three D printed thing. There's like a soft toy,
Speaker 2: like a plush thing, but it looks possibly homemade and
Speaker 2: it's like a three D printed figure.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if anyone's in like a knitted boucazar.
Speaker 2: Not yet, So Andy, you've got to fill that hole. Yeah,
Speaker 2: be the merchandise maker you want to see in the world.
Speaker 3: It would be like a sort of punishment you put
Speaker 3: it in your child's bed if they misbehave.
Speaker 2: And I've never heard of us of a Selena don
Speaker 2: so I've been googling. Ma like that that's new on me.
Speaker 2: Mole shrew venomous thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember it was. It was I first heard
Speaker 3: of it. It was in David Attenborough's Top ten Creatures
Speaker 3: of all Time. Okay, and it's its nose is on
Speaker 3: a born socket.
Speaker 2: Sure, prehensile nose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, we're a shark movie podcast.
Speaker 2: I love deep sea creatures, So if you want to
Speaker 2: see things that are ugly, head to the one other see.
Speaker 2: My favorite shark is the Goblin shark. Because it's it's
Speaker 2: the Sulena Don of sharks. It's weird, preposis thing, no
Speaker 2: one wants to see. It never been in a film,
Speaker 2: never will be in a film.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think when you say about live action directors
Speaker 3: and animation, I think Gilbovinski saw this is a chance
Speaker 3: to do a sort of smaller, easier film after like
Speaker 3: all the Pirates films and everything, And I think he
Speaker 3: said he didn't really quite understand the intricacy and expense
Speaker 3: of animation. It turned out to be a lot, a
Speaker 3: lot more difficult than he was expecting, but it turned
Speaker 3: out looking fantastics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the budget for this apparently is one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty five million dollars, which is quite a lot
Speaker 2: of money for a film. You know, it made more
Speaker 2: than that back, so I'm almost surprised. Yeah, because as
Speaker 2: much as this is great, it's also quite weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not. It's not very yet. It's not very
Speaker 3: It didn't seem commercially viable really, It's got a lot
Speaker 3: of very adult tendencies. I mean, I hate it when
Speaker 3: people judge animated films artistics success on how well it
Speaker 3: appeals to kids. But I don't see this is is
Speaker 3: having a lot of appeal to kids. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of dirty jokes, a lot of groupesome ones, like you said,
Speaker 3: the hanging oils and everything, and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: it's very sort of sinny litter film. It's it's absolutely
Speaker 3: crammed with references, and there's a lot of death, as
Speaker 3: we were saying, and the story line is quite convoluted
Speaker 3: for young kids as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and like you know, Vivinsky Is said an
Speaker 2: interview that he considers El Topo to be an inspiration
Speaker 2: for the film. That's not that's not a kid's film.
Speaker 3: Just imagine going to see Rango with a five year
Speaker 3: old and the kid just sitting in the audience, go half, I.
Speaker 2: See he's Rowski in this one. I see. I like
Speaker 2: what he's doing.
Speaker 3: Did you did you get any of the other references?
Speaker 3: Because I started writing down the ones that I recognized.
Speaker 3: I looked it up afterwards and there's there's loads more
Speaker 3: that I didn't get.
Speaker 2: Better. Well, the fear and loathing in Las Vegas is
Speaker 2: an obvious one because he's on the windscreen of their car. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got Clint Eastwood yea in it. And even saying
Speaker 2: like don't aren't you like a guy with no name?
Speaker 2: Ye spelled out a little bit. But I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: there's many, many others.
Speaker 3: The ones that I tried down, the ones that I noticed.
Speaker 3: This once upon a time in the West, when there's
Speaker 3: the shootout, there's the creaky old windmill making the sound
Speaker 3: in the background. That's once upon a time that I
Speaker 3: was still one of the again David Brook's favorite films
Speaker 3: than the I haven't seen The Lame Ranger, but it's
Speaker 3: better than The Loame Ranger.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: Good Band and the Ugly. There's that that moment where
Speaker 3: there's a toad and he gets picked up by a
Speaker 3: bird and it carries him away and he says you
Speaker 3: son over and that's the end of The Bad and
Speaker 3: the Ugly. Uh, and the Lee van Cleef from The Good,
Speaker 3: the Bad and the Ugly as well. Rattlesnake Jake sort
Speaker 3: of looks like even with like.
Speaker 2: It's a snake with a mustache, kind of it's kind
Speaker 2: of in the scales.
Speaker 3: Draw it looks cat Balu is a film about a
Speaker 3: gun fact with a sober nose, and that's like the
Speaker 3: Hawk has the sober tip beak. Uh. I think Rango's
Speaker 3: Western costume at one point later and looked a bit
Speaker 3: like the costume from The Three Amigos as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's it's a very kind of three
Speaker 2: and goes plot of like this guy coming in pretending
Speaker 2: to be yeah, a sheriff. He is, he's an actor,
Speaker 2: he's like theatrically minded, he's so, yeah, it's very three
Speaker 2: of me.
Speaker 3: And then they were just the Western ones, I mean
Speaker 3: a couple of There's some chase scenes with like a
Speaker 3: sort of yodling soundtrack which are very like the Raising
Speaker 3: Arizona scenes sound track. There's a bit at the beginning
Speaker 3: where Rango is sort of put a tear in a
Speaker 3: headless mannequin to keep putting its hand on his leg,
Speaker 3: and that's what Donald Dake Carnor does in the make
Speaker 3: Him Last sequence and sing.
Speaker 2: The does indeed yes uh.
Speaker 3: And then just the whole plot about water, it just
Speaker 3: seems very like Chinatown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ned Beaty. It feels like he could have
Speaker 2: been that role in Chinatown. Yeah, John Houston ll yeah,
Speaker 2: he's probably he's posibly playing JOHNN. Houston in this. I
Speaker 2: don't know, yeah, I mean so the clearest references is
Speaker 2: Timmy Golivant as the Spirit of the West. That's Clint
Speaker 2: east Wood. Yeah, yeah, I that might be my least
Speaker 2: favorite part of the film. Me too, Me too, because
Speaker 2: I I don't think it's a My main problem is
Speaker 2: I love Tim Olivant, I like Clint Eastwood, not his politics,
Speaker 2: and and but I feel like they've they've animated an
Speaker 2: old Clint Eastwood face and so he'll Olivant's doing a
Speaker 2: young Clint Eastwood voice. Yeah, and that disparity bothers me. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean honestly, if you if you took the
Speaker 3: clothes off it, I probably wouldn't recognize it as Clinice would. No,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I know what should have looked
Speaker 3: like naked. Don't think just the costume gives it why
Speaker 3: it's that it's it. But yeah, I did think that's
Speaker 3: not very well done. And the kind of that whole
Speaker 3: kind of spiritual side of it. I like some of it.
Speaker 3: I like some of the sort of Hallosiner Tory desert stuff,
Speaker 3: but but the whole Yeah, it was when it goes
Speaker 3: towards that Spirit of the West thing, it kind of
Speaker 3: lost me a bit. They have had something to make
Speaker 3: him go back didn't they have to have some sort
Speaker 3: of like turning point. But yeah, yeah, yeah it's and
Speaker 3: I think that would certainly lose. I mean, what I
Speaker 3: like about the references in this is that you don't
Speaker 3: have to get most of them, like the like the Good,
Speaker 3: the Bad, and the ugly one with the son of
Speaker 3: a squaw that just plays as like a joke.
Speaker 2: I've seen a good band. I didn't remember that as
Speaker 2: being the end of that film, So I just liked
Speaker 2: that as I wrote it down as a fun thing
Speaker 2: I liked about the film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, getting around when you remember when you see it's
Speaker 3: the good and the ugly, it makes it better. But
Speaker 3: you don't have to know. But if you don't really
Speaker 3: know anything about western or then this whole spirit of
Speaker 3: the West bit is a bit it will be completely
Speaker 3: lost on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't enjoy that scene. It doesn't. It
Speaker 2: doesn't sit well with me. It doesn't. It's just like
Speaker 2: no man can walk out of his own story kind
Speaker 2: of thing, Okay, I don't like.
Speaker 3: I think maybe if he just if you're going to
Speaker 3: go down that kind of spiritual route thing again, like
Speaker 3: maybe he could have just then counted roadkill again and
Speaker 3: have that similar sort of conversation with him. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just a bit too out there at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's at that point, like, so what is real?
Speaker 2: What is a dream? Because now we're talking about the
Speaker 2: cacti can move as well, which said is like it's
Speaker 2: a myth earlier in the film, but it's not. And
Speaker 2: they not only can they move, but they can also
Speaker 2: like turn a wheel on a pipe. Sure. Great, there's
Speaker 2: a film where like a comedian in the West closed
Speaker 2: So whatever, who gets It's these these films where like
Speaker 2: you can't you can't dig into the logic. You just
Speaker 2: have to go with it because like you're just thinking,
Speaker 2: why can't the road runners talk? Why can't the hawked
Speaker 2: and like beans has a boar as a horse? What
Speaker 2: none of these things can talk? But everything else can talk?
Speaker 2: Like does does Rango? What's the world? What's Wrango's world?
Speaker 2: Like is he aware of like other animals and like
Speaker 2: does he talk to them? Is he should? He be
Speaker 2: surprised at the existence of this town in the desert.
Speaker 2: There's just just animals because he's he's a pet. He's
Speaker 2: in he's in a tank, in a car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of questions there definitely is.
Speaker 2: He's got a little glass of water in the tank.
Speaker 2: That's that's him sized where that come from. You can't
Speaker 2: dig into it, you just have to go with it. Fine.
Speaker 3: Surprised that we didn't see as much of the you
Speaker 3: wind up Fish, because.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's all over the marketing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in fact that the marketing seems to play down
Speaker 3: the Western angle just it's all just a pictures of
Speaker 3: rango most of the time. Uh, what's he called the fish, mister, mister.
Speaker 2: Tims, Mister Tims, mister Tims. Yeah, he's got he's got
Speaker 2: wind up fish, a female like Barbie Torso. It's just
Speaker 2: a torso in an arm and like a dead book
Speaker 2: and that's his companions.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One one thing person we haven't mentioned is involved
Speaker 3: in actually is the writer John Logan. He wrote Gladiator.
Speaker 3: There's a bit like there's a hint of that kind
Speaker 3: of like hallucinatory stuff at the end of Gladiator with
Speaker 3: all the floating that sure thing here. I didn't know
Speaker 3: the name John Logan really, but he's written a lot
Speaker 3: of films that I've seen. Written Gladiator, you wrote Sweeney Todd, Hugo,
Speaker 3: The Aviator, a couple of Bond films, that don't really
Speaker 3: care about. And and he wrote another of my favorite
Speaker 3: DreamWorks films which is one of the ones that hardly
Speaker 3: anyone likes, Simbad Legend of the Seven Seats, which was
Speaker 3: the last hand drawn dream dream Works, but it does
Speaker 3: have some some like badly incorporated CG as well. Isn't
Speaker 3: it that the monsters are like computer animated amidst the
Speaker 3: hand drawn stuff? And he also apparently wrote Michael, the
Speaker 3: current controversial Michael Jackson by Picnic is doing the runds.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have I haven't seen that, nor will I.
Speaker 2: How much for credit that is to his name?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I will avoid that.
Speaker 2: I mean he wait, okay he a film that comes
Speaker 2: up all the time on this show he wrote, which
Speaker 2: is Bats. He wrote, Bats, I haven't happen. Yeah me
Speaker 2: neither Mark loves it. And we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: it when we do Mammals. We've already got a guest
Speaker 2: lined up for us. I haven't even worked out what
Speaker 2: year it's going to be. We've got a guest. So
Speaker 2: in ninety nine he wrote Bats and any Given Sunday
Speaker 2: with el On cool j So that's two deep with
Speaker 2: the adjacent films. The year he came out, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about this this guy again and Sinbad Legends
Speaker 2: of the Seven Seats feels like a deep with the
Speaker 2: adjacent film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: And yeah you might not care about for the Bond films,
Speaker 2: that's fair enough, but sky Fall is my favorite Bond film.
Speaker 2: And he wrote so good, I'll allow it. That's got
Speaker 2: Kimodo dragons in it, so relevant for this conversation. Good, okay,
Speaker 2: So what do you think of the metaphor in rank
Speaker 2: like the real, the real hidden? What is? What is?
Speaker 2: What is it really about? Is it capitalism? Yes, it's capitalist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be honest, yeah, I didn't really it didn't
Speaker 3: really even register with me. There's there's so much were
Speaker 3: not in it that I it didn't even occur to
Speaker 3: me to look for any kind of meaning.
Speaker 2: You don't, you don't need to look for it. I
Speaker 2: think it's just kind of it's very surface level of
Speaker 2: like the bad Guys all the Wall.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought you meant there was there
Speaker 3: was something a bit more than just the flat out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's it, because like, yeah, they it's fine.
Speaker 3: It's I knew, I knew who was who was who
Speaker 3: and what was what I really liked the idea of
Speaker 3: Rango as a as a character. It's because you get
Speaker 3: like the obviously, like the evil man and all that,
Speaker 3: and a lot of characters are sort of what you expect.
Speaker 3: But Rango is a really interesting character and that he's
Speaker 3: he's so dramatically theatrical that keep himself in harm's way
Speaker 3: just because he's committed to the part. I think the average,
Speaker 3: the average sort of script would have adding be theatric
Speaker 3: and dramatic until his cowardice took precedence. But he will,
Speaker 3: he will stay in the part even when he's in
Speaker 3: the harms.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, I was as a danger that being a
Speaker 2: Johnny Depp performance, it can be he can be a
Speaker 2: bit much sometimes, as we've talked about in the Pirates films,
Speaker 2: I did feel like the character of Rango was very
Speaker 2: Captain Jacksborrow esque in that he's just getting by on
Speaker 2: more u luck than judgment in every situation.
Speaker 3: Is it worked okay for me in this I think
Speaker 3: it's it allows Johnny Depp to unleash his hammy attendancies
Speaker 3: in the appropriate come do it. I was thinking about
Speaker 3: Johnny Depp in general. Actually, there's an episode of the
Speaker 3: TV series Community where they talk about they have a
Speaker 3: course at a community college, which is asking Nicholas Cage
Speaker 3: good or bad? Yeah, and obviously like they go through
Speaker 3: our bad goes through very must care that's the god. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But the lists he lists the actors and so he says,
Speaker 3: Robert down Danny Jr. Is good, Jim Belushi is bad,
Speaker 3: Jean clud Van Dam is the good kind of bad,
Speaker 3: Johnny Depp is the bad kind of good.
Speaker 2: And yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I totally get it, totally get that description.
Speaker 2: Room. You've got to wonder how long they spent dedicted
Speaker 2: those names come like, okay, bad good? Uh, found out
Speaker 2: how many al turns did they have for them? Who
Speaker 2: else is on that list? But yeah, it makes sense
Speaker 2: because he he's undeniably a good actor. Yeah, yeah, very
Speaker 2: good in many things.
Speaker 3: Writing down sort of what what I like him in
Speaker 3: what I don't say I really liked him. It's mostly
Speaker 3: Tim Burns I've had Wood said with to Dan's sweety.
Speaker 3: I think he's good in Dead Man, I like him
Speaker 3: in the Jim Jarmuchfield, but then like he could like
Speaker 3: Sleepy Harlem, I think is a film where he really
Speaker 3: started to go towards that that about those bad tendencies.
Speaker 3: Alice in Wonderland, he's awful and charleing the Chucolate Factory's
Speaker 3: awful and and like Parates of the Caribbean, he's probably
Speaker 3: if I go back and watch, he's probably bearable enough
Speaker 3: for what it is. But I think it's just that
Speaker 3: loads of people absolutely love him. In Parates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 3: He was Oscar nominated, wasn't he for that? He was
Speaker 3: keeping across people. I watched the film Mystic River the
Speaker 3: other day and I was looking up about Sean Penn
Speaker 3: won that year Best Actor, and the Internet is full
Speaker 3: of people saying it should have been Johnny Depp.
Speaker 2: I mean, now were late in Himes. Champagne has three oscars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does have three asks. Yeah, two leads and
Speaker 3: supporting thing, isn't that? Uh?
Speaker 2: I think it might be the way around. I don't
Speaker 2: could wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think Mystic River and lead, yes, sorry, I.
Speaker 2: Thought he was supporting a Mystic River, but he's lead.
Speaker 2: It was Tim Robbins I think was nominating.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, he got the supporting for it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah, and I would be fine with Sempayne
Speaker 2: having two Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't. I don't think Mystic river Is
Speaker 3: is an arcoring performance is a bit over the top
Speaker 3: and place as well. But but it's better than Johnny
Speaker 3: dept in Grabean. Yeah, because I like it when a
Speaker 3: performance like Jacks Barry gets nominated because they're the sort
Speaker 3: of performances that do often get overlooked. I like it
Speaker 3: when something a bit more unusual like that gets nominated.
Speaker 3: But I just don't think that's a very good performance.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I'm happy to see that kind of
Speaker 2: thing be discussed. Like, you know, I don't. I didn't
Speaker 2: particularly enjoy Bridesmaids as a film. I thought, I think
Speaker 2: I'll take it back. It's fine. It was a little
Speaker 2: bit over hyped, but I enjoyed bits of it. But like,
Speaker 2: I'm happy that ms McCarthy was nominated yea for that
Speaker 2: because that's a different kind of performance. It wouldn't remally nominate.
Speaker 2: That's that's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a few of those unusual ones. Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 3: In Tropic Thunder, which is a controversial well now, but I.
Speaker 2: Don't think it should be. I still stand by that
Speaker 2: being very phenomenal performance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a Rubbert Downey junior cast was the was
Speaker 3: the example of a good actor given in community.
Speaker 2: There we uh yeah, I'm just trying to I'm trying
Speaker 2: to find what year. I'm trying to find who else
Speaker 2: was nominated that year, just to see if it shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been. Okay, So we also had Ben Kingsley for
Speaker 2: House of Salemon, for Jude Law for Cold Mountain, and
Speaker 2: Bill Murray lost in translation. Okay, Sean, So yeah, but
Speaker 2: then you know, oh no, that was sorry, that was
Speaker 2: nomicely for a lead performance. I thought, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: supporting Okaya hich.
Speaker 3: But you see you said that that's the that's the
Speaker 3: actual that's the parents of the Cambean film where he
Speaker 3: is the supporting character, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I would say, so, yeah, he is like the comic relief.
Speaker 2: It's it's well, it's cleary nightly story more anyone else.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and bloom is he for he just takes
Speaker 2: over power?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you get You get a lot about
Speaker 3: that that sort of people quite category for order that
Speaker 3: they were think people were nominated for. And it depends
Speaker 3: how you look at it. Like Marlon Brando in The
Speaker 3: Godfather is what people remember about the Godfather and he
Speaker 3: won for lead Actor, but he's in it far less
Speaker 3: than a Patino who was nominated for a supporting actor.
Speaker 3: And some of them are some of them are leaders,
Speaker 3: like Mahersha Relley in Green Book was supporting and that
Speaker 3: is clearly a lead lead performance.
Speaker 2: That's the film that has two lead acting perfore. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and he went back to back years, which fine. But
Speaker 2: I think if they had put Johnny Depp in supporting actor,
Speaker 2: I think he might have won.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Tim Robins.
Speaker 2: He might have been nominated over I don't know. Alec
Speaker 2: Baldwin for the Cooler A film is fine, but no
Speaker 2: one has watched it in a decade. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: if you asked me what film was Normage for, I
Speaker 2: would not have been able to guess the bare film.
Speaker 2: Uh good. We have drifted far far away from It's
Speaker 2: like Mark is here with us. So did you enjoy that?
Speaker 2: You're you're a music guy, did you enjoy the music
Speaker 2: of this film? Is maybe the four hour Mary Archie band.
Speaker 3: I do think it's cool. I like I like music,
Speaker 3: and I like a Greek chorus. Yeah, I enjoy the owls.
Speaker 3: I like the way they sort of bookend it. I
Speaker 3: always like that when a Greek chorus gets the last
Speaker 3: word there is a so you get that great like
Speaker 3: ending bit where it's a that speech about perhaps he'll die.
Speaker 2: In a household, surely he will die one day.
Speaker 3: I like that that little cheap that they that they
Speaker 3: keep keep teasing that he's going to die and that
Speaker 3: he just doesn't. That's a bit in the middle of
Speaker 3: where one of the owls just is, when's he going
Speaker 3: to die?
Speaker 2: You keep a certain demise, Well, it's it's going to
Speaker 2: happen when. I enjoyed that too, But.
Speaker 3: You get that big frorish at the end where they
Speaker 3: say rango and it ends. But on on the DVD
Speaker 3: that I got, there's a there's a whole alternate ending
Speaker 3: which goes on and on and he is dreadful.
Speaker 2: I was going to say that there was an extended
Speaker 2: cut on my DVD version, but I didn't have a
Speaker 2: time to have a chance to watch the extended version.
Speaker 2: I just I just watched.
Speaker 3: I just watched that fight. The final deleted scene. I
Speaker 3: don't I've seen the extended version is just just bungs
Speaker 3: on the deleted scenes back in does it? And I
Speaker 3: do not know.
Speaker 2: I will check.
Speaker 3: I guess I watched it. Like I said, I watched
Speaker 3: it twice. In the second time, it did occur to
Speaker 3: me or maybe should watch the extended version, But one,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to get mixed up, and two I
Speaker 3: didn't think it needed to be any longer.
Speaker 2: According to Wikipedia, the extended version adds a final scene
Speaker 2: in which the flooded town is now a beach resort
Speaker 2: renamed Mud and Rango rides out to deal with news
Speaker 2: that bad Bill is causing trouble elsewhere and gave his
Speaker 2: final speech before he falls off his road runner steed.
Speaker 2: Of course, the Geela Monster voiced by Ray Winston, who
Speaker 2: not in the film enough as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very short part, isn't he.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that, like first meeting where he liked him
Speaker 2: on the fire a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, Tray Winston in a minute he
Speaker 3: comes in drug Because there's certain voices in there which
Speaker 3: you wouldn't like. I would never have guessed that it
Speaker 3: was Bill NAII Ah, yeah, I mean that seems like
Speaker 3: a very strange piece of casting for rats like Jake,
Speaker 3: but it works well.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it's coming off of the Pirates films
Speaker 2: where he's David Jones, so they've worked together before, and
Speaker 2: he's excellent. The Pirates one was doing doing a voice,
Speaker 2: it sounds more Bill Nai, but there's a lilt, there's
Speaker 2: an accent to a kind I can't quite place it.
Speaker 2: But he's like a squid monster, like a humanoid octopus
Speaker 2: faced squid being who sounds like Bill Nye and so,
Speaker 2: and he's the bad guy. He's a bad guy in that.
Speaker 2: So I think just having him be a bad guy
Speaker 2: in this too. I love Bill night voice, so whenever
Speaker 2: he crops up and stuff, it's great, and just having
Speaker 2: him play just the whole character. The character of rattles
Speaker 2: Sneak Rattlesnake Jake is I think possibly my favorite character
Speaker 2: in the film. Just the design of him. He's a
Speaker 2: big snake, sure because everyone else is so small. When
Speaker 2: he's like attacking you, he's everywhere. There's just so much
Speaker 2: of him on the screen, and I just the time
Speaker 2: would have taken to animate just him, he would have
Speaker 2: been incredible. And the fact that his tail is gatling gun,
Speaker 2: he's got an adele and.
Speaker 3: I kind of like that's he's kind of a bad guy.
Speaker 3: He doesn't get a come upance. There's sort of a
Speaker 3: it's a teared bad guy thing, isn't it. So his
Speaker 3: role ends up being to meet out the come upance too,
Speaker 3: the worst bad guy.
Speaker 2: Who is the Yeah, and there's even like respect between
Speaker 2: him and Range at the end. You did it with
Speaker 2: one bullet. I tipped my hat to you.
Speaker 3: It's one thing that I made that is I've always
Speaker 3: been quite disturbed by endings or like endings of character
Speaker 3: arcs that involve people being dragged away screaming. It's then
Speaker 3: I just spend a lot of time imagining what happened
Speaker 3: off screen. So you see you see the I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously he's getting his come up and he dragged away screaming.
Speaker 3: But then it just we stay with the other characters
Speaker 3: and we get the sort of happy end and it's
Speaker 3: sort of lightings and the music gets bright and everything,
Speaker 3: and I think, I'm thinking, what's happening, like over there
Speaker 3: in the distance.
Speaker 2: How far is he going? And what's he going to
Speaker 2: do when he gets there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think of other examples of people
Speaker 3: being dragged away screaming at the end of films, but
Speaker 3: I couldn't think of that many a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing is coming to mind, but I'm sure whenever
Speaker 2: I see anymore again, it's gonna I'll be like haunted.
Speaker 3: Drag me to hell. This is one I thought.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, yeah, clear what Yeah? When Beans tells to
Speaker 2: hell is where do you think I came from? It
Speaker 2: is just a great retort.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there's one scene in this where the whole town
Speaker 2: had done like a water dance to come for water.
Speaker 2: It's a very odd sequence, like how how do they
Speaker 2: determine this was the dance to do? How many times
Speaker 2: they dance? Does it often work? But that scene turns
Speaker 2: into Mad Max Fury Road. I'm not the first person
Speaker 2: to say it, but it's it's the same scene. It's
Speaker 2: the bad guy up like the mayor of the town,
Speaker 2: up on an elevated platform, dishing out the water to
Speaker 2: this town that have come to It's the same. It's
Speaker 2: the same scene.
Speaker 3: When was When was? When was Mad Max?
Speaker 2: Four years after this?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: That was twenty fifteen and this is twenty eleven. But
Speaker 2: I know that George Miller was making Fury Road for
Speaker 2: like twenty years, so I think it's it is just coincidence.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's actually judgement is another example of live action
Speaker 3: directory A happy yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's I quite
Speaker 3: like that that water dancing because it's it's set to
Speaker 3: the sun cool water, which I've always really liked. It's
Speaker 3: on the on an album called what's it called? Gunfighter
Speaker 3: Bounds and Trail Songs by Marty Robbins, which is one
Speaker 3: of my favorite kind of Western themed albums.
Speaker 2: I don't have a favorite Western theme album.
Speaker 3: No, it's not something that a lot of people I was.
Speaker 2: Our brother, We're not though, maybe the soundtrack on on
Speaker 2: On Facebook, you you have a project where you're doing
Speaker 2: your like top one hundred albums from every.
Speaker 3: Decade, going on endlessly every time, every.
Speaker 2: Time you post one. My initial reaction was like, there's
Speaker 2: not one hundred albums. What are you talking about? Not
Speaker 2: for many just in general? How going to be a
Speaker 2: hundred albums? Surely not. I don't think I've listened to
Speaker 2: one hundred albums. I think, let alone my best a
Speaker 2: one hundred from this particular ten year. No, not a chance.
Speaker 2: I should definitely go and listen to some of the
Speaker 2: ones that you've you've suggested.
Speaker 3: I am always bang up to date now, I mean
Speaker 3: in the twenty twenties and become a top seventy list
Speaker 3: because I haven't had time to listen to one hundred
Speaker 3: this decade yet, but we are only seven years into
Speaker 3: the decade, so I think it fits.
Speaker 2: This episode is going to come out just after we
Speaker 2: did our final chapter of DC one where we went
Speaker 2: into the local j song in which our musical taste
Speaker 2: came up a lot on the episode. And I basically
Speaker 2: don't listen to music, so this will be a surprise
Speaker 2: to no one. Nick Rehag was one of the guests
Speaker 2: on that episode, and he was like, so, why do
Speaker 2: you like listen to new music? What do you do?
Speaker 2: And I don't. I've got that. There's the twenty songs
Speaker 2: that I listened to, and I've got the twenty songs
Speaker 2: I listened to, and I'm I'm good with the twenty
Speaker 2: songs that I listened to. I don't why do they
Speaker 2: make new mus I don't understand why they make new music?
Speaker 2: And I think I broke him a little bit.
Speaker 3: Is that why why you'll be avoiding the film? Michael?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: Just your general version to music, no other controversial elements.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. What else is there? I've heard those songs? Before,
Speaker 2: but I didn't hear them again. We're getting to the
Speaker 2: end of my notes. I just wanted to point it
Speaker 2: when they when they go underground. Yeah, and of my
Speaker 2: favorite romans. They're going there following this pipe on the
Speaker 2: ground and they walk past a giant eye. It's the
Speaker 2: giant I watching them never explained.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that is odd.
Speaker 2: What is it? What is this creature? So if they're
Speaker 2: going underwater, then it's a big squid, but I don't
Speaker 2: know what will be a giant eyed creature that's under
Speaker 2: the desert.
Speaker 3: No, no, I even like, momentarily I thought it was
Speaker 3: a Lord of the Rings reference.
Speaker 2: Yep, it could be.
Speaker 3: I mean it's chucked for a reference and so it
Speaker 3: could could have just been stick that in there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's preceded by one of my favorite jokes
Speaker 2: in the film was like what do you do now?
Speaker 2: It's like, now we ride and it cuts to the
Speaker 2: posse riding out, and then like what are we going?
Speaker 2: And then they just go back because I know where
Speaker 2: they're going.
Speaker 3: I think, I think my favorite, my favorite joke in
Speaker 3: the show and you the guy who killed the Jenkins brothers. Yep,
Speaker 3: with one bullet. Oh seven of them, and.
Speaker 2: Then he explains the whole how he killed seven people.
Speaker 2: He kills a from one bullet. He doesn't have everything
Speaker 2: with one bullet. The whole film. Yeah, like there's silly stuff.
Speaker 2: What's actual for it's it's yeah, it's very silly, and
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it quite a lot. And there's one of
Speaker 2: the townspeople is just like a bird of some kind
Speaker 2: of like a white scragger of the old bird. I
Speaker 2: loved his voice. I don't know what his character name is.
Speaker 2: I don't know who the actor is who did it.
Speaker 2: He sounds like Slim Pickens. It was not Slimpiggins, but
Speaker 2: I love Slim Pickens's voice. And anyone doing a Slim
Speaker 2: Pickens impression great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I know the one you mean that.
Speaker 3: I can't I can picture him. I can't quite see
Speaker 3: him as a bird. I can see the scraggliness, the
Speaker 3: sort of whiteness, but he's just sort of vague nightmare
Speaker 3: image in my head. Now it's just.
Speaker 2: Film. It's just a collection of vague nightmri images.
Speaker 3: That a cracking coat for the poster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think we've talked abou everything
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about is there anything else that
Speaker 2: you wanted to talk about about Wrango, Not really.
Speaker 3: I mean I had I have a note which just
Speaker 3: doesn't go anywhere. It just says a human spinal column
Speaker 3: in fecal matter, which is sure. I think I just
Speaker 3: wrote it down because I thought that is well, it's
Speaker 3: part of a conversation they have about what are they
Speaker 3: even talking about? Just grim things that they've.
Speaker 2: They've in there, I think, yeah, And.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think it comes. It comes immediately
Speaker 3: after a there's some sort of joke about a anal
Speaker 3: exam or something.
Speaker 2: Is probably sure.
Speaker 3: The doctor puts on a rubber glove and someone says
Speaker 3: awkward or something, and it was it was just a
Speaker 3: bit of a barrage of grim poo jokes at one point,
Speaker 3: which I got a bit weighed down by. There's a
Speaker 3: tendency for it to go a bit a bit grim
Speaker 3: and a bit too much in places. That's that's the
Speaker 3: only thing that I didn't really like about this wedding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because that's like one character says, they coughed up,
Speaker 2: and I coughed up an entire tribe of pygmies. They
Speaker 2: started looking at me weird. Yes, The character of Spoons says,
Speaker 2: like you found a human spoiler column.
Speaker 3: In that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I looked up and the the bird guy
Speaker 2: that I like is voiced by Lou Temple, So shout
Speaker 2: out to Lou Temple, who was Adam Banjo in The
Speaker 2: Devil's Rejects, like Unstoppable, and he's been he's one of
Speaker 2: those guys who's do a lot of things.
Speaker 3: Unstoppable, the Train, yes, which.
Speaker 2: They stopped the train. Yeah, it's a lie. The film
Speaker 2: was a lie. But great, So I think it's I
Speaker 2: can't even see why it's anymore because it is now dark,
Speaker 2: so that's talking so long. I can't see. It's so good.
Speaker 2: But I I if you've got this far and I
Speaker 2: haven't watched Ranger, then what are you doing? Go watch Rang?
Speaker 2: Ranger's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if if we will have convinced
Speaker 3: people to or not with our conversation.
Speaker 2: Really, it's like a nightmare. It's a nightmare of hideous screechers.
Speaker 2: Go watch it with your kids.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm surprised in retress fact that it won
Speaker 3: the Oscar. It's I think probably it was just it
Speaker 3: was the lack of a Pixar or Disney big hitter
Speaker 3: that year that opened up the opportunity for it.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that Tintin didn't get the nomination. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: love that tint film.
Speaker 3: Tin Tintin is a great film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently they're making it. They're finally making another one.
Speaker 2: I heard recently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I'm surprised After Christmas didn't
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Actually, I love After Christmas is in our house. It's
Speaker 2: it's our Christmas film. We watch it. It's Christmas tradition.
Speaker 2: Christmas a tradition is after Christmas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like if they were nominating now, after
Speaker 3: Christmas would be in that. I don't know what it
Speaker 3: is about the changing time, which makes me think maybe
Speaker 3: after Christmas would get nominated now.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, who knows. Well, Listeners, if this is your
Speaker 2: first time listening to the show, welcome we when we
Speaker 2: talk about shark films, but because this is Deep Blue
Speaker 2: Sea the podcast, every film that we watch, I go
Speaker 2: through and work out how deep the action on screen is,
Speaker 2: how much of it takes how blue everything on screen is,
Speaker 2: and how much it takes place at sea. So, of
Speaker 2: course Deep Blue Sea or an average fourteen and a
Speaker 2: half meters of forty seven and a half feet deep,
Speaker 2: thirty one percent blue, and eighty nine per cent of
Speaker 2: it takes place at sea. And do you think Rango
Speaker 2: is deeper, bluer, and more at sea than deep blue Sea.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing no, no, of course not, of course not.
Speaker 2: The only part where they go deeper to was when
Speaker 2: they go under the ground to follow a pipe, and
Speaker 2: it's not very deep. Also, I factored in that this
Speaker 2: these are all animals, and like Rango, would be about
Speaker 2: ten to twenty centimeters high, So basically everything is at
Speaker 2: ground level. There's some stuff up in the air. There's
Speaker 2: like aerial battles with bats, which actually one thing I
Speaker 2: do really enjoy is when the bats go into a
Speaker 2: wall they explode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a good scene. That is a good
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's any any reference to the film
Speaker 3: Bats in that scene.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe have to I'll let you know once I
Speaker 2: watched Bats. Yes, ain't no, harg it's nothing but bats.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's our depth Wise, this works out being
Speaker 2: eighteen and a half centimeters or point six feet up
Speaker 2: in the air, which means it's slightly higher than the
Speaker 2: reef stalked and slightly lower than Orca seventy first on
Speaker 2: our ranking list. Blue Nus This is fourteen percent blue
Speaker 2: because the sky is very blue throughout it is.
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, that's all the skies, though.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of clouds in this film. And I
Speaker 2: think beans Is clothes are blue as well, so it
Speaker 2: means it's slightly bluer than Sea Fever and slightly less
Speaker 2: blue than conn Air of course, and Fever.
Speaker 3: Sounds like it would be a very blue films it does.
Speaker 2: I think it was more green anythink is a green film,
Speaker 2: and yet never at sea for a single second. This
Speaker 2: film zero percent and five point seven percent of it
Speaker 2: is in or around water, So that's when they're in
Speaker 2: the water bottle and like the opening scene where he's
Speaker 2: like by the pool acting that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 2: then or at the end when the town's flooded, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's water. So five point seven cent of water, which
Speaker 2: is slightly more than Boa versus Python, slightly less than
Speaker 2: Mega Python versus Gatroid. So good company on the list.
Speaker 2: A lot of reptile films all clubbing together near the
Speaker 2: bottom of the sea ranking as expected. Really good, So
Speaker 2: I think that's going to do it for a discussion
Speaker 2: of Rango Andy. Do you have anything that you would
Speaker 2: like to plug, No, you can.
Speaker 3: Just just my usual writing can be found over at
Speaker 3: a Blueprint review. I think my latest article was a
Speaker 3: full chronological watch of all the films by George Cukor
Speaker 3: and these ranked them and reviewed old. There's also I've
Speaker 3: just mentioned it briefly. Yeah, we're not giving away any
Speaker 3: details ready yet, but myself and Todd Lebanow have Forgotten
Speaker 3: Films are working on a new podcast, which is we're
Speaker 3: hoping to debut this July. I mean it's it's not
Speaker 3: much of a trailer for it because I can't really
Speaker 3: tell you anything about it at the stage. But if
Speaker 3: you like me, and if you like Todd Lebanou, or
Speaker 3: if you like one of us and think that we'll
Speaker 3: cancel run out, tune in for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Todd, friend of the show has been on seven times.
Speaker 2: We'll have them on again soon, I hope. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: will listen to any podcast that he or you do,
Speaker 2: so that you're doing one together. It's great, can't wait. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's I'm looking forward to it. Excellent. So yeah, you
Speaker 2: can follow this show all over social media at Deep Blue,
Speaker 2: seapod or email us Deep SPoD at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Next week is the show that we recorded three years ago.
Speaker 2: It's finally coming out. It is our full Deeply Cy
Speaker 2: script reading a little palette cleanse before. It's the opposite
Speaker 2: of palate lens, which is diving straight back into it
Speaker 2: before we get into Deep C two. You can hear
Speaker 2: the full script, the full script reading of Deeply Cy
Speaker 2: with the Deeply C players that's been chapped by chapter
Speaker 2: all through this season. It's all pieced together in one
Speaker 2: long thing. So come back next week for that, plus
Speaker 2: all the little silliness that happened before, after and during
Speaker 2: that I cut out of the individual episodes. It's all
Speaker 2: going to be in there next week because that was
Speaker 2: a silly, fun time that we all had recording that show.
Speaker 3: And he's playing the role for Ronnie Cox in that reading.
Speaker 2: I think you played Ronny Cox if you listen carefully.
Speaker 2: He listened carefully before he was ever on the show
Speaker 2: for an episode Andy Gordon playing Ronnie cos I of
Speaker 2: course played the bird because why not. Because I was
Speaker 2: screeching into the microphone. A lot of it didn't get
Speaker 2: picked up, so that was good.
Speaker 3: But he tied it just as someone was calling someone
Speaker 3: as son of a bitch so it was.
Speaker 2: A screech great so yes, that will do it for Rango.
Speaker 2: Thank you once again to my wonderful guest, Andy Gordon,
Speaker 2: thank you for having me. I have been to Jay
Speaker 2: Kluer and will deep Blue. See you next week.