WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.359 --> 00:00:09.119 This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me 2 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:17.039 covering Dungeon Crawler Carl book What is This? Seven Yes, 3 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:24.600 seven chapters eight, nine, ten, and eleven. In these chapters, 4 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:30.879 we have a kind of wedding, a pre wedding, a 5 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:37.600 first wedding, and also Carl gets very emotional when he 6 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:41.119 finds out everything that's been going on behind the scenes, 7 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:46.159 and he still doesn't even know everything yet. Welcome to 8 00:00:46.240 --> 00:01:07.640 spoil Me, Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha. 9 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.159 Thank you very much to Michael for commissioning this episode. 10 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:14.200 Michael's here in the chat with me as well as 11 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.920 Sarah and Jeff. Hi, Jeff and Rob. Delighted to have 12 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:24.640 all you guys today. So this section is a real 13 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:33.879 combination of highs and lows, and there was a point 14 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.400 that we will get to. I was reading this for once. 15 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:39.439 I was not listening to the audiobook. I was reading 16 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:42.879 on my kindle and I got I was sitting next 17 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:46.680 to my husband. I got to the spot and I 18 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:51.680 stopped and looked at the ceiling to like not cry, 19 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.480 you know that, Like I'm keeping my tears in my 20 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:57.719 eyes right now, I'm not gonna let them fall. And 21 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:00.280 they fell anyway, and he like looks at me and 22 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:02.599 is like, are you okay? And I'm just like really 23 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:13.159 sad part and then everybody arrives and it was like, 24 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:18.039 how dare you make me feel so sad and then 25 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:24.800 feel so hopeful like it's just a rollercoaster, and I, 26 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:29.240 as somebody who doesn't enjoy feeling resents it and I 27 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:34.719 hate you, Matt Denneman, so go fuck yourself. So chapter eight, 28 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:40.680 Dona is explaining about how the she's like planning on 29 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:42.639 singing at the wedding. She's talking about Mango being a 30 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:44.599 ring bearer. It turns out the whole way that this 31 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.400 is going to work is really different than the traditional 32 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:54.039 type of like Western American wedding that she's expecting. And 33 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:56.960 Carl tells her at this point to like put on 34 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:58.800 her glasses so that she can see if there's any 35 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.479 change lanes around, because she wants to make He wants 36 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:04.080 to make sure that they don't get tricked, because they're 37 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.319 going into all of this assuming that the NPCs are 38 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.240 on their side, and I think he pretty much does 39 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:12.159 trust that they are, but he's not an idiot. It's 40 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.039 always good to just what is it they say? Trust? 41 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:19.680 But verify. Oh my god, Sarah em says this at 42 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:26.879 the same time. Perfect. So they go out into the 43 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.719 center of this funnel so that he can see a 44 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:36.159 lot more of the rings and the architecture and everything, 45 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:40.840 and he is surprised at the fact that things look 46 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:45.759 more clean and more lived in than he was expecting. 47 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:51.000 It not as high. Was flooded and a lot of 48 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:54.080 it has been drained out since then. But as we 49 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:57.240 find out, there came a point where Juice Box was like, no, no, no, 50 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:59.719 leave the rest of this flooded. This is actually helpful 51 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:06.240 to us us and Jeff says, I hate that trust 52 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:09.960 woul Verify was a Republican slogan I parroted by Ronald Reagan. 53 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:14.599 Everything sucks always if you go back far enough. That's 54 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:20.959 just like the rule of life. My interface is beeping 55 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.040 with others getting recruited. The numbers were slowly, slowly rising. 56 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:26.839 We had just under three days to get them all, 57 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:29.600 which for the number of people they're talking about is 58 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.800 that's a lot that they have to I don't know 59 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.879 if we're gonna make it, and that's really worrying. I 60 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:41.120 don't you've got to make so many people. Sergeants to 61 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.759 be able to get them to recruit. And I'm not 62 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:46.360 sure what kind of other power that comes with, you know, 63 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.120 like how dangerous is it to do that? I really 64 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:55.560 don't know, but I want The over city had a 65 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.639 wooden floor that had seemed downright rickety. In some places, 66 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:03.240 the hunting grounds were jungle and had a solid physical ground. Hell, 67 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:05.480 there was a deep river running through as supposedly, if 68 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:07.639 one spent too much time digging up there, one would 69 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.680 break through and fall into this area. It was all fake, 70 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.600 but still it was important to know how it all worked. 71 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:22.600 And he talks about like the dwarf Arif is saying, 72 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.600 you know, not all of the rings completely circle the city, 73 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:28.480 and that there are some that are homes, there's some 74 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.480 that's a college. There's an area that's like an outer 75 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.399 ring that's sort of a shanty town that's big enough 76 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:44.040 to ring everything. And let's see, we had water up 77 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:45.759 to fifteen for a bit, and now it's only up 78 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.680 to level three, just enough to cover the highest tower 79 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.399 of the castle. Anybody who wants to take that castle's 80 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:59.240 got to learn how to swim. And he like Carl's 81 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:03.720 looking and says about just jumping down the center, which 82 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.639 I always appreciate because, like you know, I don't think 83 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.680 anybody has ever gone into a big, old fashioned building 84 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:15.000 that's got like one of those staircases that circles and 85 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:17.240 that hasn't looked down and been like, what a great 86 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:19.399 shortcut to just jump down the center. And of course 87 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:23.480 that would definitely be on my mind here. And this 88 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.519 is when a Reef says there was another season where 89 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:33.720 they did do that, and Carl says, oh, another season 90 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:37.319 and realizes that like, not only is a Reef referring 91 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:41.920 to himself as an NPC, but he is referring to 92 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:47.759 the game the way that people who are not NPCs 93 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:52.519 usually do, and explains, I think I'm new, so I 94 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:56.720 don't have memories of the others, like not everybody does. 95 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.680 Some NPCs I think are different from each other. But 96 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:05.800 there are definitely NPCs who remember dozens of seasons, like 97 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:11.439 my uncle, and that was really interesting. There are so 98 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:16.480 many varieties of everything, you know, and there are I 99 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.120 think that's part of what I have found a little bit. 100 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.079 It's not, I say overwhelming, but not in a way 101 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.079 that's like a negative exactly. It's more that like it 102 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:29.759 contributes to this feeling like a larger world and feels 103 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.680 like there's a lot of potential for things that I 104 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:41.240 can't predict to happen later. But the the idea that 105 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:46.480 there are so many different types of NPCs. We've got 106 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:52.600 different crawlers who are still indentured. We've got crawlers who 107 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:57.439 are indentured with different types of deals also, and the 108 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:06.560 indentureships have different rules depending, Like there's so many like expectations, 109 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:10.879 rules and laws that we have to work within, and 110 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:15.480 different types of awareness and scope that we have to 111 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.680 function within. And that's the way it works. You know, 112 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:23.040 that is how the world is. But when you are 113 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:27.160 like encountering it in something like this that you instinctively 114 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:31.920 want to keep track of everything, it's definitely there's been 115 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:34.480 a few times where I've had to tell myself, Okay, 116 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.480 I can't get distracted by this because I don't know 117 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:40.879 what I need to know. When I know it, I 118 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:44.120 just have to trust that, Like the only reason to 119 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:47.120 really track anything is to try and predict what's going 120 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:50.279 to happen, and to a degree, I don't want to 121 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.360 do that. There are sometimes where I like to try 122 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:55.600 and figure things out, but it's like nice to just 123 00:08:55.759 --> 00:09:02.159 also let stuff happen, so it's fine, So let's see. 124 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:05.159 I thought of Harret, the cookbook author of the sixteenth edition, 125 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:08.399 who'd made Waking NPCs up his life's work. I thought 126 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.080 of his final heart wrenching entry in the cookbook, and 127 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:13.879 I wondered if he'd managed to survive, And if he had, 128 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.080 was he watching this right now? Probably not. If he 129 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.639 was alive, he'd likely still be working in the dungeons somewhere. 130 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.919 He'd wanted to be a game guide. I didn't know 131 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:25.720 if he'd made it, and I can't remember guys I 132 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.480 have heard. I feel like we heard from Harrot out 133 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:36.240 in an epilogue at some point, but I genuinely can't recall. 134 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.600 So anyway, there's because there's a bunch of people later 135 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:42.840 that we see as well. And keeping track of everybody's 136 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.399 names is another thing that I'm gonna have to work on, 137 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.960 because there are so many folks that are getting added 138 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.360 into the mix now that we have seen their names 139 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:56.279 in entries from the cookbook. But I have never felt 140 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:58.879 any real inclination to keep track of who's who really, 141 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.039 you know, So now it's going to matter a little 142 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:05.120 bit more. And I am like, oh boy, because I'm 143 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:10.399 never good with that, but we're gonna try. Let's see. 144 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:14.159 He's uh. Juice Box says, they're different kinds of us. 145 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:16.360 Some shop keepers are different. Some of the patrons are 146 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:19.600 also different. The hands of Outworlders are everywhere when you 147 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:25.320 know what to look for, and at this point a 148 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.799 reflake when it's mentioned that Outworlders are no longer immortal. 149 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:32.879 He pulls his sword and he says, I will take 150 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:37.960 my revenge against Architect Houston, the leader of the madness, 151 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.200 a viceroy Outworlder. He caught my brother as he attempted 152 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:45.159 to sabotage their fortifications. They say my brother was tortured 153 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:50.639 before Juice Box infiltrated and ended his suffering. And Dona 154 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.200 is that the guy Juice Box decapitated during the pre 155 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:57.600 production meeting, which I appreciate that being mentioned, but good 156 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:03.600 love it that was one of his surgeons. The Dwarf said. 157 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.919 Nobody has managed to get into Houston's operating theater. That's 158 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.279 what they call his lair next to the throne room. 159 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:14.919 I really you, guys, if you aren't aware of this, 160 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.240 It's something that I've mentioned on so many of my 161 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:21.519 podcasts that I will lose track of where it's been 162 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:26.399 mentioned and where not. But I personally have a really 163 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:33.039 hard time with anything involving like medical torture, body horror, 164 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:40.919 that kind of specific type of horror movie, and the 165 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.399 fact that like that's one of his surgeons and his 166 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:48.759 lair is called the operating theater. I think this is 167 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:54.159 gonna be somebody I'm gonna really really hate dealing with, 168 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.080 and I hope y'all are prepared for me to just 169 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.399 be squigket the fuck out when the time comes, because 170 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:07.840 I just don't like it. It's hard, it's a It 171 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:10.759 comes up a lot in various things that I cover, 172 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.039 and there are times where I can sort of just 173 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.639 breathe and get through it, and then there are times 174 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:17.919 where I just completely lose my shit and I can't 175 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:21.519 take it. It really depends, and I'm not sure. I 176 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:23.919 think it depends partially on like my mood at the time, 177 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.399 which is not helpful. But I just have a really 178 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:32.440 it's too close to like the reality that we still 179 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:36.120 live with the way that we use medicine and the 180 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:40.399 way that many things have been discovered utilizing people with 181 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:46.879 no agency to experiment on, and it's just it really, really, 182 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.240 really really gets to me in a way that few 183 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:52.720 other things do. I can watch a slasher movie all day, 184 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.840 I don't that just does not you know, monster movie. Fine, 185 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.919 but when it comes to not us torture, but the 186 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:05.879 torture that is being done with the veneer of But 187 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:11.759 it's for the good of humanity oftentimes, you know, that's 188 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:15.360 the shit that I cannot or it's for your own good. 189 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.080 We're torturing you to make you better because there's something 190 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:21.720 wrong with you. Like, oh, hate it, hate it, hate it, 191 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:26.480 hate it. Rom says, would be helpful for us to 192 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:28.440 give you a content warning when you're going to have 193 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:33.480 a chapter with Houston in it. I don't think so. 194 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:42.120 Probably I appreciate the thought, but I don't think it will. 195 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:44.559 It's just one of those that I have to deal with, 196 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.639 you know. Sorry, Michael says, what about the Halloween episode 197 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:50.799 in Community where Troy and abb had got combined into 198 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.639 one super being. That's uh, they're just wearing flight suits 199 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.919 that are sewed together. So it really does not That 200 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.399 one doesn't get me at all. But uh, it's a 201 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:08.559 good episode though, we're only more awesome. So then the 202 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:12.799 nagas come up and we find out that like a 203 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:15.720 sort of a weird thing about the Nagas that first 204 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:19.759 of all, they function a lot more as like phantoms. 205 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:23.399 You know, they they're high on stealth, they do poison, 206 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:30.600 they do assassination, and like infiltrating them is a lot 207 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:33.919 harder than anybody else, even Juice Box, who's like pro 208 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.360 at this, does not try to get in there anymore. 209 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:43.440 And also Carl is like he has some information that 210 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.840 he has gathered that basically amounts to the fact that 211 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.879 the Naga seem to be sort of trying to just 212 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:57.919 keep the memory of their original like roots alive for 213 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.799 the sake of it. Seems to be almost like a 214 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:08.480 tourism gambit. I'm trying to find the bit here where 215 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:12.840 Uh yeah, they were basically LARPing the olden days, dragging. 216 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:14.919 I thought it was mostly for fun, but after reading 217 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.000 between the lines, I was starting to realize their continued 218 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:19.360 participation was a pr stunt, a way to keep people 219 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:25.000 interested in Naga history, which would drive tourism. And this 220 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:30.799 is an interesting idea. Like everything in the end in 221 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:37.039 the Dungeon is about making money, but the like using 222 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.600 it in this way to make money feels like something 223 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:44.799 that's definitely likely in our world as well. You know, 224 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.679 I wonder this sometimes about even things like Epcot Center, 225 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:52.600 where you've got little country areas that you can visit, 226 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:57.480 and are there people from those countries who are actively 227 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:02.120 invested in making those areas like appealing as possible to 228 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.919 drive folks to visiting. Like how does that? I have 229 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:13.320 to imagine, right, But anyway, the current leader was a 230 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:15.559 real life crown princess. I didn't know what her name 231 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.200 really was. In the old days, her identity would be 232 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:22.360 kept a secret. And there's a whole thing about like 233 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.039 how many children she's supposed to have. And I'm not 234 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:29.000 getting into all of this because it's just horrible, But basically, 235 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:34.279 there was only one time that one of these princesses 236 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:40.720 had had all of the female offspring to like kill 237 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:45.679 all off all of the males, and she is the 238 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:52.039 one who was deemed the sepsis horror. So good for her, 239 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.759 I don't know, I really that seems that seems pretty 240 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:00.240 solid to me. Despite the Naga team getting their just 241 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.919 kicked every single time, she'd never been killed, not once. 242 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.720 They'd have their throne room taken, usually at the great 243 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:09.440 expense of actual poor NPCs and mercenaries, but the Sultana 244 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.160 and her guard would be gone, only to reappear at 245 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:16.079 the end, safe and laughing. The problem was, these Nagos 246 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:18.920 weren't NPCs who believed in the story built around them. 247 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:20.920 They knew who I was, and they would know how 248 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:22.960 important it would be to me to get them out 249 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:25.880 of the game. And now that the protections were off, 250 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:28.319 I had no idea if they would keep the whole 251 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:34.799 Sultana charade up. And I'm going to assume that if 252 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:37.000 you want to keep the tourism thing going, you're going 253 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.759 to try to keep the sultana thing up. You're going 254 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:47.240 to try and prove something by maintaining that and trying 255 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.640 to handle Carl. Want to have your cake and eat 256 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.920 it too. I Am going to be interested to see 257 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:59.079 how that shakes out. I really wonder about where it 258 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:01.480 is that they always manage to escape to and come back, 259 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:04.279 because it almost feels like there's a secret area that 260 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.920 they only know about. And if we can find that, 261 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.559 maybe we will have part of our solution already. You know. 262 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:20.759 So Carl gets approached by somebody who gives him a 263 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:23.920 big kiss, and it's like you saved me and my 264 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:28.200 Heidi and for that, you get a kiss. The ground 265 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:31.559 remained wet and slimy, and the excess of dead sharks 266 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:35.559 littered the map. The floor contained the massive Piccadilly theater, 267 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.680 surrounded by bars, including a few true safe rooms, And 268 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:41.920 I feel like these theaters might come in handy. We 269 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.559 have to deal with a lot of people. You know, 270 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.359 we're gonna have like huge groups that we need to 271 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:54.079 plan with. And obviously this will mean that you have 272 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:56.559 to come up with like versions of plans, because there's 273 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:58.599 gonna be something that's very public, and then there's gonna 274 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.920 be like the real plan that you keep to yourself. 275 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:08.599 But we're dealing with tens of thousands of troops, and 276 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:13.319 while we do have that group chat, I have to 277 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:18.279 assume that many people, it's probably gonna be tricky. And 278 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.599 there's also an energy to actually physically gathering people in 279 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.759 one space and talking to them that you don't get 280 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:29.759 in a group chat. That will hype people up, you know, 281 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:37.920 So I could see us using this in the near future. 282 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:43.000 Let's see the Desperado. It turns out also, we find 283 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:48.000 out later it's open, but it's not allowing any people 284 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:52.519 in any crawlers inside it all at first, Carl thinks 285 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:54.799 that it's because of the whole demon thing, but we 286 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.400 find out that that is not actually the case, that 287 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:04.759 it's all crawlers. So this is when we see juice Box, 288 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:10.400 who at first hunger hammy level thirty nole. And you know, 289 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.839 as much as I know that Juice Box is a 290 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.519 shape shifter, I am still not prepared whenever somebody turns 291 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:21.799 out to be Juice Box. So you know, she jumps 292 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:26.640 on Louis and starts kissing him and I'm like what 293 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.359 what And then it's like, oh, yeah, it's juice Box 294 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.799 changed to her human form, and I'm like, done, Natasha, 295 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:37.640 fucking stay stay with us, okay, girl, Like yeah, I'm 296 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:43.920 not great about this. So there's also the reminder that 297 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:47.000 the level that we see when she's in her human form, 298 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:50.720 when she's in her nole form, later when she's in 299 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:54.400 her blank form, like there's no saying what level she 300 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:58.319 actually is. Everything that we see in her descriptors are 301 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:08.480 part of the charade, you know. So this is kind 302 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:13.079 of a weird scene. So first off, Juice Boxes, like, Carl, 303 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:15.240 you didn't do what I wanted. We wanted everyone to 304 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:17.799 be protected, and I was kind of surprised that she 305 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:19.799 came at him with this energy because I was just like, 306 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.279 you had to know that wasn't going to happen, right, 307 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:26.079 And to her credit, when he's like, this was the 308 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:29.359 best we could do, she immediately lets it go and 309 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.640 just says it'll have to do. But I was like, 310 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.440 you know, still kind of going. The fact that he 311 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:38.039 managed to get what he got is a miracle. I 312 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:41.519 feel like you should be acting a lot more impressed 313 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.519 slash grateful that he pulled off what he has pulled off. 314 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:49.599 But you know, she hasn't got time for being grateful, 315 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:54.519 and I have to respect that to a point. And 316 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:59.319 there's also this like, you know, Louie is here and 317 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:04.480 he has not really reacted to Juice Box at all. 318 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:07.839 Like the fact the mention of them getting married in 319 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:10.799 the last section, I already was like pointing out the 320 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:16.240 fact that it seemed pretty He wasn't excited is the 321 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:20.599 that feels like the mildest way to say it. He 322 00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:25.000 just seemed to freeze up, and that freeze continues here 323 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:29.839 in a way. That's like got donut in his chat going, Louis, 324 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:33.920 you have got to start talking to her. She thinks, 325 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:36.559 like from your reaction that you don't even like her 326 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:41.599 anymore and she's super excited to see you, and I 327 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:47.400 was like appreciating donut. Donut is very much functioning according 328 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.440 to the like, of course you love her, so now 329 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:54.119 you have to show her that you love her now. I, 330 00:22:54.160 --> 00:23:01.599 of course am not of the opinion that he loves her. However, 331 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:06.880 I you know, Carl a couple times is just like, 332 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:10.000 you know, you don't have to do this, And I 333 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:13.720 just really wanted to be like Carl, Look, I understand 334 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:18.400 that you're trying to you're trying to give him agency 335 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.920 here and keep him from being pressured in a particular way. 336 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:25.960 And I really love about you that you care in 337 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:32.200 this way, but this is a fake wedding in a 338 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:37.359 fake world to an NPC, he has to do this. 339 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:43.640 I am so sorry. It's just not a negotiable thing. 340 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:53.119 It's we've killed people, We've killed actual other human beings. 341 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:59.640 This is fucking nothing. It's fine, And I appreciate that 342 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.839 Louis gets with the program and immediately it's just like no, no, no, 343 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.319 I do have to do this, because like if we 344 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:07.319 were gonna have to browbeat him into it, I was 345 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:11.519 going to be really irritated when he had taken on 346 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:16.720 killing Sisternez at the end of the last book, so 347 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:18.799 that Carl and Donut don't have to shoulder that, and 348 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:23.319 then he's going to bulk at like this wedding. You know, 349 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:29.079 I just I can understand in theory, but in practice 350 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:31.799 I just did not have any patience for it. So 351 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:34.640 I'm glad in the end that this kind of winds 352 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.759 up being a non issue. But he really has to 353 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:43.240 like work to get his enthusiasm up to a point 354 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:49.119 that makes juice Box less self conscious, because it really 355 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.720 like what Donut is saying about how juice Box is 356 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:55.240 feeling self conscious and awkward is definitely true. The way 357 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:58.880 that she like kind of she jumps in his lap, 358 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:01.559 she's kissing him, and then she sort of like backs 359 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:04.279 away and slips out of his lap and takes a 360 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:07.119 seat by herself, and it's just like the body language 361 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:11.759 is very much her going, oh maybe this isn't you 362 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:19.960 know what I mean? So the shantytown is an issue. 363 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:26.559 There is a mayor there who stabbed somebody named Theora 364 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:33.359 in the back. The opponent cheated. We can't touch this guy, 365 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:40.000 I sighed, So Ferdinand Bingo Cowboy. Are any of the 366 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:43.480 outworlders coming into the regular city into the roccos. They 367 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:45.559 are starting to there's not much here for them, but 368 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:50.839 still they come mostly to Scout and the whole thing 369 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:57.480 with Ferdinand. Later. This guy he really sucks, and like 370 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.640 not in a fun way, you know what I'm saying. 371 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:07.279 He sucks in a real way. He may be a 372 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.440 cat and some of the ways in which he sucks 373 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:19.799 may be funny even but it's not. It's not fun, 374 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.480 you get what I mean. Like, I just ah, I 375 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:27.240 hate him a lot. I hate him a lot, But 376 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:33.200 we'll get there in a second. So it turns out 377 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.960 that he has like all of the controls, so he 378 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:43.559 can't be killed because they need him. He was given 379 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.920 power over the controlling system, including the city defense. The 380 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.119 ELF says it was a workaround to allow us to 381 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:52.680 participate because the cat isn't really an NPC but of 382 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.799 the same stock as you. If he dies, we lose control, 383 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.640 so he must be kept safe. And also he keeps 384 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:05.160 telling everybody that he's Donut's fiance, and Donut is disgusted 385 00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:12.880 by this. I will say, I'm quite proud of how 386 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:19.599 Donut has just completely dropped any affection for him of 387 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:23.039 any kind. You know. There comes a point later where 388 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:24.559 she's just like, I don't know what I used to 389 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:26.519 see in him, and I was like, good for you, girl, 390 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.599 This is growth. Everybody has a friend who was into 391 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:34.799 somebody that they We were all puzzled, what the fuck 392 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.799 is the draw? I don't get it. You know, it's 393 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.599 gotta be something chemical, like what the fuck? And it 394 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:48.720 probably was chemical? It probably was. But let's see, Drick 395 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:56.759 is the guy. He's a Valtae infected elf, and he's 396 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.440 the one that we're going to have to deal with. 397 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:02.440 And later on when we see him, Ferdan's like on 398 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:07.440 Drake's head and Drix's just walking around with him on 399 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:13.440 his head, really not looking happy about the arrangement. But 400 00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:22.240 it is what it is. So let's see. She thinks 401 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:24.200