Speaker 1: Hey, we're gonna dive right back into the Vanity Fair
article by Gabriel Sherman and continue profiling the relationship between
Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner. Let's jump right back in.
Epstein claimed he could discern hidden patterns in financial markets,
but his true money making gift was reading people. He
surely recognized Wexner was deeply lonely. And for all of
the shit, I give Jeffrey Epstein for not believing he's
not a smart person like people said he was, or
not believing that he's this epic financial wizard like people
said he was. One thing I will say he had
an uncanny ability to collect people.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that now.
Speaker 1: He would find weaknesses in people and target them. He
would look at people's proclivities and target them. And at
the end of the day, Jeffrey Epstein was most certainly,
most certainly somebody who zeroed in on wealthy and powerful
people and did everything he could to bring them into
the web. That is for sure a hallmark of Jeffrey Epstein.
Business was less's life, said Wesner's childhood friend Peter Halliday,
whose Ohio bank prepared the limited his first stock offering.
Wexner was born in Dayton, Ohio, in nineteen thirty seven
to Russian Jewish parents who worked in the garment business.
And you know, you hear all of these stories, right,
and they are the typical American success story from years
gone by, you know, the same stories where people are
still trying to pitch it to you now that it's
the same way, right.
Speaker 2: Oh, go to work, work hard at your nine.
Speaker 1: Dollars an hour job, and one day you might have
yourself a twelve hundred square foot house too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, some American dream.
Speaker 1: But back then, when less Wexner was around, that dream,
well it was available. And unfortunately, this dickhead Les Wexner
could have had this fantastic story of nothing coming from
nothing to being this great businessman, but he squandered it. Instead,
he'd rather paler around with Jeffrey Epstein. Instead, he'd rather
enable Jeffrey Epstein's abuse. And according to Virginia, he also
likes to take part. So you remember in the movie
A Bronx Tale when Sonny says to Kolodjuno about wasted talent, Well,
that's what we're seeing here all over the game board,
folks with all of these rich, so called smart people
wasted talent instead of helping the world, instead of doing
some good in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, you all know what they were up to. Instead.
When Wexner entered high school.
Speaker 1: His family moved from Dayton to Columbus, where his father, Harry,
opened a small women's apparel store called Leslie's. It was
tough moving into a new community. Less didn't make a
mark for himself. Holladay said, Oh, did poor little Lessie
not fit in with the other kids in the neighborhood.
I mean, come on, really. Wexner hoped to become an architect,
like Howard Rourke, the libertarian protagonist of Anne Rand's The Fountainhead.
Harry insisted he studied business at Ohio State. Less briefly
enrolled in law school, but dropped out to work for
the family business. As the story goes, Less wanted Harry
to carry a limited inventory focused on casual clothes, and
when Harry did agreed, let's quit. In nineteen sixty three,
Less open the limited with a five thousand dollars loan
from his zan Eida. I built the business so I
could create my own world. Less later told The New
York Times. Within a year, Harry closed Leslie's and was
working for less. Now look again, I'm a big fan
of the American dream, right, I'm a big fan of
people coming from nothing, scratching and clawing their way to
get a little something. I've seen a lot of that
in my life, a lot of it with my own
family in fact. And there's nothing like getting to the
top of the mountain when you've been stuck at the
bottom for so long. You scratch and you claw, and
you think back to the days where you didn't even
know how you're gonna put food on the table. Got
some crying kids. They want some new nikeer Jordan's. They
want the new, latest, updated fads and trends. You're busy
just trying to make ends meet. But when you work
hard and you're diligent about your job, at least in
the past, you were able to scratch out a little
something something for yourself. Unless Wexner did a lot more
than that, but again, wasted talent, he squandered it. Wexter
may have been CEO, but it seemed that his mother,
Bella was the boss.
Speaker 2: All right. Let's be real.
Speaker 1: If you're Italian and you're listening to this podcast, Well
you know that your mother most certainly is the boss.
For thirty four years, she served as the Limited corporate secretary.
A former executive recalled that Bella belittled her son in
meetings when she didn't like his ideas. It'll never work,
don't do it. Bella would yell at him in front
of his staff. What is she the grandmother from The
Red Dragon, the Thomas Harris Hannibal Lecter movie. What is
she running around telling Francis dollar Hide that if he
wets the bed again, she's gonna cut it off. There's
always you know, you look at these people like Les Wexner,
and then you see like their parents, and you understand
completely why they're such lunatics, why they're such maniacs and
not well adjusted people. I remember sitting there thinking, how
dare this woman? The executive said. Less seemed to be
terrified of Bella. According to Measter, Less would sometimes stay
at Measter's house in Palm Beach, so that Bella, whose
Palm Beach house was near Less's, wouldn't know Less was
in town. He was afraid of her. She was running
his life. Measter said, And again, that's I've seen a
lot of that with a lot of Italian friends. Right, Look,
your mom plays a central role in your life when
you're a Paisano for sure, and I mean honestly, with
Italian parents. Italian moms, they want you to live home
until you're married.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You could be thirty five living home with your parents,
and that's a pretty normal thing for uber Italian families.
So I kind of understand the situation of mom's yelling
at them all the time, and shit, here, I get that.
So I don't know how that could be like a
impediment on Les Wexner. Let's be real, you're that soft
bro that your mom breaking your chops in front of
your coworkers is so tough that you have to go
and sleep at your friend's house. Get some backbone, bro,
He's lucky his mom didn't show up to those boardroom
meetings with a wooden spoon.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: If I was ever paling around with somebody like Jeffrey Epstein,
like I said, you won't have to worry about the cops,
you won't have to worry about the FBI, My mother
would beat the ever living shit out of me. And
that's not a guess that's a promise, folks. Okay, grown
ass man forty one years old would still get his
ass whooped by his mother with a wooden spoon as
she drags him to the FBI's office bya his ear. Factual,
Ask anybody who knows my mother, that is exactly what
would occur. By nineteen seventy six, the Limited operated one
hundred stores. Two years later, Wexner risked bankrupting the company
when he borrowed thirty million to acquire the logistics company
Massed Industries, which operated a dozen factories in Asia and
contracted with hundreds of others around the world. The Gamble
proved to be Wexner's genius move, akin to McDonald's revolutionizing
fast food. And it's not even hyperbole, right, what Limited did,
what Les Wexner did with his companies is pretty amazing
to start where he started and build it up to
what he build.
Speaker 2: It up to.
Speaker 1: That from a business point of view as an entrepreneur,
and you look at that, you say, holy shit, that's
a quality job. Well, holy nice job. But that's where
it ends for me. That's where the praise ends for me,
because after he built it, well, that's when the exploitation began.
Why can't any of these people just be decent human beings?
Is it really that difficult. I'm not exactly what you
call the you know, the happiest guy in the room
by any stretch of the imagination. Right. I can be prickly,
I can be confrontational all of that stuff, But at
the end of the day, I want what's best for us,
everybody around me, not just myself. And that goes for
strangers as well. People like this, on the other hand, Well,
let me tell you what these kind of people. They
don't give a shit about nothing but themselves. By controlling
production and shipping, Wexner globalized the apparel business. Wexner's core
insight was that baby boomers viewed shopping as a form
of entertainment. The limited supply chain allowed Wexner to rapidly
roll out new clothing lines at lower cost and keep
customers coming back. Look, the business model was solid. How
many girls did you see growing up, people in my
age range, you know, forty years old or so. How
many times growing up when you were younger were girls
wearing stuff from Victoria's Secret pink et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Abercrombie and Fitch.
Speaker 1: When I was growing up, pair of those Jeenes were
like one hundred and twenty five bucks. So this guy's
business model was solid. Les Wexner had a good business model,
knew what he was doing as far as you know,
this whole globalizing of the clothing industry. And if he
would have just focused on that and stayed on course
and continued on building his empire and not getting in
bed literally with Jeffrey Epstein, well he wouldn't have any
of these problems. So again, just like everybody else who
has rolled into Jeffrey Epstein's life, I have no compassion,
no empathy, and I really don't care what happens to
these people at this point. I don't care if your
business goes bust, and I certainly don't care if you
go to prison, because honestly, with some of the accusations
we've seen leveled at some of these people, they all
be in prison. As shopping malls spread across the country,
the limited boomed, Wexner went on an acquisition spree. By
the nineteen eighties, he took over the Lane Brian and
Lerner chains, the department store Henry Bendel, and a struggling
Paulo Alto lingerie store called Victoria's Secret. At the time
he met Epstein, the limited had an annual revenue of
three billion dollars. Despite the success, Wexner remained little known
outside Ohio. Meister recalled a party in Aspen when Donald
Trump walked up to Wexter and said, nice to meet you. Now,
how did you get so e f and rich? That
sounds like something Trump would say, right, walk up to
some dude, disregard all sorts of uh, you know, courtesies
or whatever, Hey, asshole.
Speaker 2: And'd you get so Fen rich?
Speaker 1: As he's chomping on three McDonald's whopper, I mean three
McDonald's big Max. Wexner and Epstein soon became virtually inseparable.
Speaker 2: There were an odd pair.
Speaker 1: Websner was in his late forties with a round face
and big ears. Epstein was in his early thirties and
dashing from the right angle. He looked like Richard Gear.
What SAYSU Helen Keller, What do you mean, Richard Gear.
That's one of the funniest comparisons I've heard yet, Richard Gear.
Maybe if Richard Gear was Rocky Dennis from Mask, maybe
that's what we're talking about here, Richard gear Huh, okay,
all right? Les knows everything about me. He knows every
experience I've had, Epstein once told a friend Wesner's public
image continued to grow after his hiring Epstein. A nineteen
eighty nine Boston Globe profile that detailed Wesner's rock reported
that as September, first diary entry that year read.
Speaker 2: I finally like myself.
Speaker 1: In a film deposition featured in the Netflix documentary Filthy
rich Brad Edwards, a lawyer for some of Epstein's survivors,
asked Epstein if he had a sexual relationship with Wexner.
Epstein denied it, and again there we talked about this yesterday.
There are a lot of rumors to that effect, right,
that Wexner and Jeffrey Epstein were involved romantically, that there
was more there than a relationship.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't I can't call it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, folks, I didn't you know, I didn't
witness anything firsthand. All we could do is talk about
the speculation and the rumors. And it was a big
enough question that Brad Edwards asked it. So I don't
think that it's too out of line to wonder the
same thing. Was there something else going on with Epstein
and Les Wexner? Again with Epstein's psyche, it's not out
of the realm of possibility in my opinion, that he
would try and seduce somebody like Les Wexner.
Speaker 2: Remember who we're dealing with here.
Speaker 1: Merritt, the Limited Security chief, was unnerved by the sudden friendship.
Merritt recalled a weekend in the late nineteen eighties when
Wexner invited Epstein to shoot at targets on land Wexner
owned in rural Ohio. Lest It started collecting guns, but
less did know which end of a gun worked, Merritt said.
Merritt recruited a world class trap shooter named Jim Forsbach
to teach Wexner to shoot, but Merritt said Wexner relied
on Epstein. Epstein had this magnum p I gun. He
didn't know what he was doing. It looked like he
had never taken it out of the holster. Merritt recalled,
for sure, look these guys fake the funk all the time.
Speaker 2: Right when you got all that money.
Speaker 1: You can go out and get yourself a gigantic dirty
Harry kind of gun. If you want doesn't mean you
know how to use it. But for some reason, Les
Wexner thought that Jeffrey Epstein, along with all of his fantastic,
fashionable financial advice, was also the guy to go to
to become a marksman. This Jeffrey Epstein sure was a
jack of all trades, right, No, not really, Bobby, he
was really a jack off of all trades. Epstein was
a social connector who populated Wesner's introverted life with glittery people.
Novelist Christina Oxenberg remembered being invited by Epstein to a
dinner party at Wexner's Upper east Side townhouse not long
after Epstein took over Wexner's finances. Less seemed like this rumpled,
sweaty schlub. He was so ill at ease, and there
was Jeffrey facilitating the conversation. Oxenburgh told me, you know,
I'm not too sure about Christina Oxenberg. Honestly, folks, I'm
always a bit cautious about members of the so called
elite who come out and act like they're one of us,
you know, regular common people. Very hard for me to
at this point trust any of these so called elite.
So even when Oxenberg first came out, I had questions
about what she was talking about and stuff like that,
and those questions still remain. Dershowitz said, the first time
he met Epstein at the Martha's Vineyard home of Lynn
Forrester de Rothschild, Epstein invited him to be a guest
of honor at Wexner's upcoming birthday dinner. Jeffrey said something like,
for a present, my friend Leslie Wexner wants me to
invite the most important man I met this year. Dershowitz
recalled the flattery worked. Dershowitz attended. Other guests included astronaut
John Glenn and former Israeli Prime Minister Shimone Perez.
Speaker 2: Well, of course it did.
Speaker 1: We know how close Jeffrey Epstein was to a lot
of people in that realm, the Shimone Perezs of the world,
the Bill Clinton's of the world, the Donald Trumps of
the world. We know how close he was to all
of those people, the Ehud Baracks. So when you hear
about people like Shimone Perez being around, you hear about
all of these dignitaries and these people who had positions
in governments around the world. It shouldn't shock you, especially
when you look at what Epstein was building, at what
he was really trying to mold here. People like Wexner
were integral to his operations. All of these people, these rich,
powerful people, all had a part to play, and every
single one of them played their part in helping Jeffrey
Epstein run this criminal enterprise for this long, Wexner's physical
appearance changed. A former Victorious secret executive or called Wexner,
died his hair, he hired a live in personal trainer,
and adopted a new wardrobe. Less would wear the tightest
jeans you saw. I don't know how he didn't cut
off blood supply to his private parts, the former executive said.
Wexner's colleagues referred to this look as Chairman's casual. So
less Wexner went from being Captain Dorky dork Dorkington to
rock and tight jeans like he's machine gun Kelly, all
of a sudden hires a live in personal trainer. Him
and Jeffrey Epstein are inseparable.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The rumors stand were they engaged in a sexual relationship
with each other? Epstein and Wexner, I have to say,
I lean towards there might have been some sort of
seduction there, but I'm hesitant to go all the way
considering right, I need to have more tangible evidence, more
people coming out and saying that before I can, you know,
hitch my my cart to that horse. But it's certainly
something worth exploring. According to sources, Epstein took an interest
in Wesner's romantic life. In nineteen eighty five, New York
magazine put Wexner on the cover with the headline the
Bachelor Billionaire. Wechner dated, but the relationships didn't tend to last.
Around the time Wesner met Epstein, Wexner broke up with
a Columbus woman. According to Epstein, showed up at her
house with a multimillion dollar check and told her to
stay away from Wexner. The woman declined requests for comment.
Well again, you see it still to this day. Jeffrey
Epstein's lingering power Jeffrey Epstein's lingering shadow over people who
were involved. People don't want to talk about it, people
don't want to come forward, people don't want to go
on the record. And then you see people like this
woman who obviously got to pay out and you wonder
what sort of clause they had to sign, right, because
you know, people like Epstein, people like Wexner, they're gonna
make sure that they're in control of the situation no
matter what.
Speaker 2: The friendship vexed.
Speaker 1: Wexner's mother, Bella, Sources said she wanted Less to settle
down and get married. Bella hated it Epstein she was
so blunt, merit said. Around nineteen ninety, Wendy Measter introduced
Wexner to a corporate lawyer in her late twenties named
Abigail Coppel, who worked in the London office of Davis Polk,
the limited's outside law firm. Abigail was so secretive about it.
A friend from London recalled. She said, don't tell anyone.
I don't want to jinx it. I mean, what are
you twelve? Oh, don't tell anyone I'm dating Less Wexner.
I don't want you to jinx it. But up to
this point, until he met her, he was running around
with Jeffrey Epstein, right changed his whole lifestyle, rocking some
tight jeans, thinking he's in a boy band. What else
was he doing with Jeffrey Epstein at this time? We
know what Epstein was up to what exactly was good
old less Wexner up to while he was hanging out
with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: Well, we know what Virginia has had to say.
Speaker 1: I wonder what all of those unnamed girls from Eastern
Europe and elsewhere would have to say. I wonder what
sort of song they would sing. But Epstein stayed very
much in the picture. He reportedly arranged Wexner and co
A Copple's prenuptial agreement and was one of fifty attendees
at their January nineteen ninety three wedding ceremony. Wexner even
gave Epstein bellis seat on the board of the Wexner Foundation.
Speaker 2: Boy, isn't that nice? Huh?
Speaker 1: Boots his mom off the board. All right, Mom, you
gotta go fat enough for you. I'm gonna replace you
with good old Jeffrey Epstein, mister solid reputation, pillar of
the community, salt of the earth, Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 1: Epstein soon began traveling to Ohio with Gilann Maxwell, the
on off girlfriend, co conspirator, general all around scusbag, fellow
child abuser by people, serpent who had helped burnish his
society connections in Manhattan.
Speaker 2: She was with Jeffrey everywhere.
Speaker 1: Merritt said, to some it seemed like the age appropriate
Maxwell was a public front for Epstein's crimes involving underage girls.
It's a useful beard situation, said Oxenberg, Maxwell's former friend.
Epstein and Maxwell were also social with the Wexners outside
of Ohio. When the Wexners traveled to Europe, Epstein and
Maxwell joined them on their shopping trips, And Oxenburg is
not wrong about that. I've always made the point that
Maxwell and Epstein weren't in some kind of lovey relationship.
There weren't you know, love birds who were engaging on
this journey of love together. Hell No, calling a beard
is the perfect explanation, honestly, because that's what she was.
She was there to give Jeffrey Epstein credibility so he
didn't look like a middle aged man without a girlfriend,
without a wife, you know, those creepy types. So he
didn't look like that, and also so she could open
those doors to some of the more elite within that
world that Epstein and his gruff behavior didn't have access to.
By this point, Epstein was representing himself as something of
a problem solver for Wexner. One time, Epstein called Dershowitz
and asked if the lawyer knew someone in the Clinton administration.
Epstein claimed Wexner was in a panic because custom agents
at Teterborough Airport in New Jersey sees thousands of dollars
of Cuban cigars and fifty thousand dollars in cash from
his private jet. Dershowitz said he did not know anyone
who could help. A person close to Wesner's family with
knowledge of the allegation emphatically deny that any event occurred.
Vanity Fair has found no mention of the alleged incident
in court or law enforcement records. Well, just because you
can't find it in court records and law enforcement records,
well it doesn't mean it didn't happen. We know that
law enforcement in certain places, in certain situations are not
exactly above board, and especially when we're dealing with people
with this kind of money. The fact that they thought
they could call Dershowitz also cracks me up. And you know,
according to Dershowitz, well he didn't know anybody he can't help. Yeah, Okay,
Dershowitz is smarmy folks, and he's slick. He's gonna be
real careful what he says to people, especially journalists.
Speaker 2: When it came to Jeffrey Epstein. During the nineteen nineties, both.
Speaker 1: Epstein and Wesner's profile grew on the world stage. In
nineteen ninety one, Wexner co founded a philanthropic organization of
Jewish billionaires known as the Megagroup, which uses some of
its vast resources to shape Middle East policy.
Speaker 2: Now, the Megagroup is a huge, huge, huge part of
this story.
Speaker 1: All of these people behind the scenes working hand in hand,
Wester Epstein, Ehud Barak, etc.
Speaker 2: Etc.
Speaker 1: We're talking about very, very, very powerful people, and Epstein
had access to all of them. In two thousand and three,
Wesner's foundation commissioned GOP messaging guru Frank Luntz to advise
American Jewish leaders on had to rally support for Israel
for a year, a solid year. You should be invoking
the name of Sodom Hussein and how Israel was always
behind American efforts to rid the world of this ruthless
dictator and liberate their people. Lunch recommendation stated, so again,
you have these people working in the mega group, people
like Jeffrey Epstein with a lot of pull, a lot
of push, and a lot of sway, and they're a
hammering this home about Saddam, this message home about Saddam
Hussein and how he's this big threat to Israel trying
to impact American foreign policy. That is terrifying. Epstein kept
close in that circle of influence. You an Ambassador Bill
Richardson and Middle East Envoy George Mitchell allegedly participated in
Epstein's sex ring, according to a lawsuit filed by Robert
one hundred percent glad that that was involved and put
into this story, because that's not mentioned enough. Those allegations
by Virginia are not mentioned nowhere near enough when it
comes to this story. We're talking about big time players here, folks,
Bill Richardson and George Mitchell. How is the legacy media
all over this? Richardson and Mitchell adamantly deny the allegations.
Israeli Prime Minister whod Barrock was an Epstein confidant. Epstein
invested one million dollars in one of Barrock's business ventures.
Barack reportedly visited the East sixty sixth Street condo building
Dershowitz told me he once arrived at Epstein's townhouse as
Epstein and Barack were wrapping up lunch. On a chalkboard,
Barack had drawn a map of how the West Bank
should be divided. Barack could not be reached for comment.
In twenty nineteen, he denied any wrongdoing related to the
condo visit. Now we've talked about Ehud Barack extensively here
on the podcast. In fact, I have a two part
deep dive into him and his relationship with Epstein in
the catalog if you're interested in checking that out as well.
But this is another high profile player on the stage,
another big time intelligence guy. Palin around with Jeffrey Epstein,
breaking bread with Jeffrey Ebstein, get a million dollars for
his business from Jeffrey Epstein. But he had no idea.
He didn't know who Jeffrey Epstein was or what he
was doing. Stop But how dare you asked that conspiracy theorist.
During his time as Wexner's financial guru, Epstein's holdings grew tremendously,
sometimes by acquiring properties formerly owned by Wexner, such as
the townhouse on East seventy first Streat Manhattan, one of
the largest private homes in Manhattan. While it has been
reported over the years that the home was transferred to
him in a dollar transaction, and Epstein may have led
people to believe that, documents show he paid Wexner twenty
million for it. In Columbus, Epstein owned a ten thousand
square foot house next to Wexner, and, according to Merritt,
paid a below market price for one of the limited's
private jets. So you see, Epstein was getting the Homi
hookup working with less Wesner right, he was reaping all
of the benefit. You know that Epstein was all over
the benefits package that came with being Less Wexner's friend.
And again, it was just all part of it for
Jeffrey Epstein, all part of the big game. I guess
he would call it. In Jeffrey Epstein's mind. Folks, remember
that's what all of this really was. Everybody was just
a piece on the chessboard, and to him it was
a game. Meanwhile, real people were suffering, real people were
having their lives ruined, all of these survivors, and to
Jeffrey Epstein and all of his friends, though people like
Ehud Barak, people like Les Wexner. It was just a game.
During his time as Wexner's financial guru, Epstein's holdings grew tremendously,
sometimes by acquiring properties formerly owned by Wexner. Sorry about that, folks,
we already covered that part. Let's skip back down to
where we were at. Epstein's predecessor, Harold Levin described a
possible scenario by which Epstein could have taken control of assets.
We didn't put a mortgage on any of those properties.
We used the limited stock to buy them, so there
were no leans, Levin said. In other words, because Wexner
didn't oh banks any money, his properties could be controlled
by Epstein and there would be scant public record of it.
So the hustle was on right, folks. These guys were
totally engaging in what they knew would be best for them,
as far as you know, taxes, paying their fair share,
paying off any sort of you know, maybe if they're sued,
there's no leans available because of the moves they're making.
So again, doing all of the things that these scuzzbag
billionaires love to do. And it happened over and over
and over again, year after year. Jeffrey Epstein was the
King of it. He was great at it. He was
one of these guys that had this hustle down like
it was nobody's business. You add that to the Gratz
hustle and all of the other things he was working on,
and boy, oh boy, you got yourselves quite the shit show.
And throughout the whole entire thing, Jeffrey Epstein and Les
Wexner were connected at the hip basically, as you can
see so far from this article, Jeffrey Epstein and Les
Wexner were very very close. Nobody else that was working
for Wexner had the keys to the kingdom. Nobody else
that was working for Wexner had full financial control about
what over the country, I mean, over the company. But
yet here's this Jeffrey Epstein character showing up out of nowhere,
knocking all of Les Wexner's top dogs off of their
perch and becoming the top dog himself. It's pretty amazing
when you think about it. And then when you start
to really get into the weeds and pull the kurt
and back, it's obvious that there is more going on here,
that there is more going on in the dark, dirty
room that has been hidden by this veil of secrecy
for so long, and piece by piece, story by story,
and day by day, things start to become much much
clearer about what was going on with Jeffrey Epstein, Les Wexner,
and the arrest of his gang that most certainly can't
shoot straight. Let's dive right back in and pick up
where we left off. As Epstein's wealth grew, his predatory
behavior became more brazen. He sometimes used his connections to
Victoria's Secret and his schemes a pattern at least some
executives at the company were aware of. There's no doubt
about it. Multiple people working with Victoria's Secret knew the deal,
and less Wexner put the kabash on all of it.
Would be my guess these people would bring complaints to
less Wexner. He'd listen to their complaints, probably, oh yeah,
I'll talk to Jeffrey. I'll take care of it, and
then everything would just continue going in the same direction
that it's been going. For these executives at Victoria's Secret
to act like they had no idea is laughable at best. Now,
I'm not saying they had an idea of the whole
scope of the criminal enterprise, but you have to have
an idea of the type of sick bastard that Jeffrey
Epstein is. One afternoon in the spring of nineteen ninety three,
an executive rushed into the office of Victoria's Secret Catalog
president Cynthia Fetus Fields with disturbing news. A model told
a hairdresser at a photoshoot that a man named Jeffrey
Epstein was running around New York presenting himself as a
Victoria's Secret scout. Now we know Epstein definitely used this ploy.
Speaker 2: We know that he.
Speaker 1: Used the relationship with Les Wexner, and in turn, the
relationship with Victoria's Secret to position himself and act as
if he was some sort of talent scout for Victoria's Secret.
That way, he could play into the dreams and the
aspirations of these young girls, who all they wanted to
do was model right, become the next face of insert
trendy jeens here, and instead what they got was their
whole entire life lives ruined by Jeffrey Epstein using Victoria's
Secret l brands and less Wesner as a vehicle. Fields
knew Epstein was problematic. Fields, then in her forties, had
met him the previous year and rejected several inappropriate propositions
from him to go out, one of which included a
weekend date to Wesner's house in Aspen. Fields declined Epstein's advances.
So obviously, Epstein and Wexner were close enough that Epstein
felt comfortable inviting her out to Aspen to Wexner's pad
for a weekend of according to her, an appropriate behavior.
Whatever that means. Now, again, as you all know, whatever
two adults do too, consenting adults do.
Speaker 2: In a bedroom. I really don't care about one way
or the other.
Speaker 1: What you know, as long as people are consenting, it's
really no one's business what happens in someone's bedroom. But
that certainly is not the case here. What she is
saying is that mister Epstein had some pretty inappropriate plans
that Miss Fields wanted nothing to do with. And you
see a pattern, right. Jeffrey Epstein's propositions and his fishing
schemes very rarely worked on super successful women. Women who
come from a confident place of you know, a home
life where they were you know, had both parents around,
where they had some sort of structure. A lot harder
for Jeffrey Epstein and people like Jeffrey Epstein to get
their hooks into people like that, and Epstein recognized that,
and that's why he went after the kind of girls.
Speaker 2: That he did.
Speaker 1: Field sow the executive to report Epstein to Wexner immediately.
According to a source briefed on the conversation, Less said
he would stop it. The source recalled and like I
just said a second ago, Yeah, right, he would. They
went to Less Wexner. Wexner says, oh, sure, I got this.
Don't worry. I'll take care of Jeffrey.
Speaker 2: You don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: I'll make sure he doesn't do that ever again. Meanwhile,
they're paling around having some white Castle that night or
whatever the hell it is. They're eating and yapping it
up about their conquests. That's my guess. Anyway, we know
that these people, the Leon Blacks of the world, the
Jeffrey Epstein's of the world, the Less Wexner's of the world,
aren't sitting around discussing world peace. They're not sitting around
at the table talking about the betterment of mankind. And
people like this, well, it's an exclusive club, folks, like
I always say, fellow travelers. Merritt remembered one lunch around
this time when Epstein boasted he was the personal director
for Victoria's Secret. In May nineteen ninety seven, an aspiring
model named Alicia Arden told the Santa Monica Police that
Epstein sexually assaulted her in a hotel room after he
posed as a Victorious Secret scout. So you look, the
profile has been there for a hot minute with Jeffrey
Epstein and trying to use his relationship with Les Wexner
to further his disgusting desires. What it really comes down
to at this point is what do you believe. Do
you think that there's enough evidence there to point you
in the direction that Les Wexner had no idea what
was going on, that Les Wexner was just you know,
a shrinking violet in all of this, or did Wexner
have an idea of what was going on? Did Wexner
have an idea that his good friend Jeffrey was a
sick bastard. All the telltale signs were there, all the
warning signs were there. In fact, according to this report,
his own executives were reporting what was going on, what
the situation was, and that they had serious concerns about
good old Jeffrey Epstein and What was Les Wexner the key,
the king, the man down in Columbus, the guy who
really set all the rules for the company. What did
he do about it? Did he stop it? Did he
get rid of Jeffrey Epstein? Did he initiate an investigation
with all of his money and all of his ties
to security? No, folks, he didn't do any of that.
He continued to paler around with Jeffrey Epstein, and he
continued to let Jeffrey Epstein have the keys to the kingdom. Again,
do you really believe less Wexner had no idea. According
to the harrowing story of accuser Maria Farmer, Epstein even
brought the abuse to Wexner's doorstep in Ohio. Look, everyone
listening to this podcast should be familiar with this story.
Speaker 2: By now.
Speaker 1: Maria came out and she really dished on what occurred
when she was around Epstein and certainly about what happened
at the house in New Albany. I had Maria on
the podcast twice and she discussed her experience here on
the podcast. You can find that in the catalog. She's
also been on a ton of other shows, and if
you're interested, you can just google Maria Farmer and interview,
and you can find a ton of them. But Maria's
story is, you know, it's a cautionary tale about these people,
and it certainly shines a light right on the FBI
and the limp wristed police services that are supposed to
protect people like Maria who instead were beholden to a
scumbag like Les Wexner. In the spring of nineteen ninety six,
Farmer was miserable working as Epstein's personal assistant in New
York when she received a dream assignment. Film producers wanted
the twenty five year old to create paintings that would
be featured in the Jack Nicholson movie As Good as
It Gets. Epstein begged Farmer not to quit and made
an incredible offer. His client, Les Wexner, wanted Farmer to
spend the summer working on the paintings at Wexner's three
hundred acre compound in the town Wexner was building from scratch,
as reported and filthy rich. Farmer spoke to Vanity Fair
reporters in two thousand and three, but the magazine did
not publish her accusations against Epstein. And when they say
Vanity Fair reporters, they mean Vicky Ward. So Vicky Ward
had all of this information, right, and this is directly
from Maria. Vicky Ward had all of this information. Maria
Dish gave it all up, told everything she knew about
Jeffrey Epstein to Vicky Ward. Vicky Ward and her editor
Graydon Carter, well, they decide they're gonna kill that story.
There's not enough there, We're not going to report on it.
And now, mind you, this is all the way back
in the mid nineties, okay, all the way back in
the mid nineties, and these people, if they would have
taken it seriously when Maria reported what was going on,
how many people's lives would they have changed, how many
people would not have had to go through the abuse,
if law enforcement would have taken things seriously, if Vicky
Ward would have done her job correctly. And now when
she runs around acting like she's some kind of champion
for these girls, it's honestly sickening. The grifting is just
out of control. Vicky Ward and Vanity Fair, to be
honest with you, are an embarrassment over that whole entire escapade. Now,
obviously Graydon Carter is no longer with Vanity Fair, and
Vanity Fair is doing a noble job here trying to
get back on track. Right, this is a good article,
this is good work, but we have to call it
out for what it was. It was straight trash, straight garbage,
straight propaganda, straight gas lighting, and in fact, it was
enabling of Jeffrey Epstein. So let's just call it what
it is, right, and let's name the reporter. Let's not
just say a Vanity Fair reporter. That's kind of the
punk way out right. Sometimes being uncomfortable is just part
of it. And even if you know it's the publication
that you're writing for or a company that you work for.
When they're out of line and they're wrong, they're wrong.
And Vicky Ward and Vanity Fair were way out of line.
And in fact, that's the kind of behavior and the
kind of negligence within a reporter that I can't ever forgive.
There is not a piece that Vicky Ward could write
that I could even bother reading. At this point, although
Farmer was broke and living in a tiny Greenwich Village apartment,
her instinct was to turn it down. Epstein's relationship with
Wexner seemed odd to her. Farmer recalled the first time
Epstein gave her a tour of his townhouse. Jeffrey said,
see all of this stuff. I don't need any of it.
I could live in a tent, but Less gave this
to me for a dollar. Less would do anything for me.
And like I said, it's one thing to read it
on the page here, right, and one thing to hear
me relate it to you. It's another thing when Maria
tells you in her own words. So I highly suggest
you check out those interviews, either here or elsewhere or
wherever you want to check them out, but you should
definitely hear her in her own words. And I highly
suggest you do that with all of the survivors because
reading it's one thing. Hearing it from me is one thing.
Hearing it from someone else is another. But when you
hear it right from them, from the girls themselves, when
they discuss what they went through, it has a much
more visceral effect, at least it does on me, because
there's no middleman there, right, there's no wiggle room. With
all of the stories that these girls have told and
the evidence that backs them up. I believe what they're
saying here, folks. I believe their stories, and I believe
that Jeffrey Epstein and all of these people named in
the court documents all had a hand in this. Farmer
was also unsettled by strange visitors coming and going at
the house. She recalled government officials making pilgrimages to meet
Epstein for unexplained reasons. And there was always a bevy
of government officials, powerful business magnates, academics, scientists, you name it,
buzzing around Jeffrey Epstein at his properties, hanging out at
his house down on the island, whatever it may be.
But they were always around him. What were they doing there?
Why were they always around? What could he possibly have
that they want? I don know rhetorical question, but obviously
it still needs to be asked because the legacy media
is not willing to take that leap when the writing
is on the wall. All of these people that were
hanging out over at Epstein's a level three sex offender's house,
especially after the first arrest, all of these people have
some explaining to do and to see them get off
the hook, like Chelsea Ham got off the hook. And
the way these people get treated with kid gloves over
their relationship with Epstein, straight up bs, and we shouldn't
be shocked obviously. I mean, Vicky Ward set the standard
back in the day, so why should we be shocked
when the rest of them follow suit. What frightened her most, though,
were the children. Farmer said she witnessed Maxwell escorting countless
high school age girls to meet Epstein, supposedly to interview
for modeling jobs. Every afternoon, Gilane would run out saying
I need to get new buyles. Farmer recalled. Maxwell's attorney
did not respond to a request for comment. Now, Maria
says that Gilan Maxwell would cruise places like Central Park,
There was a school right down the block, the mall,
you name it, any place that you can think of
where teenage girls could be hanging out. And according to Maria,
you know they were coming and going for modeling gigs,
and this, that and the other thing. Meanwhile, under the surface,
hidden just below, a whole entire scenario was unfolding. Nonetheless,
Farmer accepted Epstein's offer, and that May she packed her
supplies into a truck and drove west to Wexner's Ohio village.
But what seemed like a dream would turn into a nightmare.
This account is based on my interviews with Farmer and
a sworn affid David she submitted in federal court in
twenty nineteen. Now again, most of you here should be
familiar with all of this stuff already. If you've been
following this case, you know that Maria has been so
vocal about what went down on that in that farmhouse
at Wexner's property. Early in her stay, Farmer began to
feel like she was being watched at all times. Maxwell
called Farmer from New York, screaming at her because she
accidentally spilled Hannah dye on a white rug. Gilaane yelled,
You're going to have to leave right now. Jeffrey later
called and apologized. Farmer recalled and Epstein and Maxwell. They
really played good cop, bad cop off of each other,
according to the survivors. One day it would be Maxwell,
one day it would be Epstein. But they played good cop,
bad cop off of each other. And that was another
way to perpetuate the abuse, the mental abuse. Right, You
never knew who your ally was going to be. It
always kept you walking on eggshells with the both of them.
In interviews, Farmer said she needed Abigail's permission to go
jogging outside because the grounds were patrolled by armed guards
and dogs. In a twenty nineteen statement to The Washington Post,
the Wexner family said either Less nor Abigail knew who
Farmer was before her accusations were made public. And while
we don't know with whom Miss Farmer may have spoken,
who may have claimed to be Miss Wexner, it was
not Miss Wexner, a family spokesman set at the time.
So again it comes down to what do you believe.
Do you believe the Wexners or do you believe Maria's
story which she's been dishing since the mid nineties. I
know who I believe, but I'm not here to convince anybody. Right,
everybody out there listening to this show well within the
means of making up their own minds about what they believe.
I think there's too many people that are trying to
convince people of things when it comes to this case. Me,
I'm just calling it how I see it. This is
the Jeffrey Epstein shit show. From my perspective, that's all,
nothing more, nothing less. But from the evidence that I've
looked at the hundreds and thousands of articles that I've read,
it's obvious that these girls. These women are telling the truth.
Epstein and Maxwell were Farmer's only connection to the outside world.
They flew in on weekends and took Farmer to see
movies like Independence Day and go food shopping out Walmart. Now,
I'm not sure if you're familiar with artists in residence,
but it's usually a pretty solitary lifestyle. I have a
couple of friends who have had the uh the luck
to do similar things, but at like national parks and stuff.
But it's a very lonely lifestyle. You're not around anybody.
You're pretty much just involved in your artwork, trying to
hit that elusive flow. Those of you out there who
were artistic or who play sports, you know exactly what
I mean about the flow. So when you're there by
yourself and you're an artist or a musician or whatever
it is, it's easier. So they say, to hit that flow.
So it's a life of solitude, Farmer thought. Epstein and
Maxwell acted more like kids than adults. They would do
things like pants each other while waiting in line to
buy movie tickets. Farmer recalled, so, no imagine this Oxford
educated woman and mister Jeffrey Epstein financed mogul himself sitting
around there and pantsing each other. Now, don't get it twisted.
I like a good pantsing around the campfire every now
and then, right, might be hammered out by the pool
your cousin rolls by, and you can't help yourself because
you grew up watching Beavis and butt Head. I get it.
But when you're out at a movie theater and you're
some big business professional and you're some Oxford trained and
studious person like get that Maxwell, you probably shouldn't be
pulling each other's pants off in public. Over time, socializing
with a couple nearly twice her age felt almost normal.
Farmer invited her two elementary school age brothers to live
with her at Epstein's Ohio house. Les knows everything about me.
He knows every experience I've had, Epstein once told a friend.
And that's significant, right. It goes to the heart of
it all, the fact that Wexner intimately knew Jeffrey Epstein.
No matter what he tries to say, there are way
too many people on the record, on the books who
have said that this relationship was way tighter than Wexner's
trying to let on one night about two months after
she arrived in Ohio, Farmer said Epstein and Maxwell invited
her to their bedroom and sexually assaulted her. Farmer said
she fled, locked herself off in her room, and called
nine to one one she set The sheriff's dispatcher responded,
we worked for Wexner. Now imagine that. Huh you call
the sheriff's department and you're greeted with that response. I'm
terrified I've been sexually assaulted. H Okay, ma'am. What's your location. Oh,
I'm over at Less Wexner's house in New Albany. Well, ma'am,
we work for Less Wexner. What sort of dystopian handmaiden
tails type shit is that? Terrified Farmer called her father
in Kentucky. He agreed to drive overnight to pick her up.
A spokesman for the Frankly County for the Franklin County,
Ohio Sheriff's office confirmed to The Washington Post that its
officers had been contracted for Wexner's security detail at the time,
but said it had no remaining records of such a call.
They never have any records remaining, right, and why did
les Wester need a bunch of cops guarding him. What
else was he up to? What was the Mega group
up to? Is the legacy media ever going to ask
these questions? Or are they just going to hint and
walk around and make pretend that they're digging deep, Because
there's a lot of glaring questions here, folks, that definitely
need to be answered. Farmer said that when she returned
to New York, her sixteen year old sister Annie, whom
Epstein was also helping financially, revealed that Epstein and Maxwell
had touched her inappropriately at Epstein's New Mexico ranch. Oh well,
you know, I'll never pass up an opportunity to go
harden the paint on Zoro Ranch and New Mexico. Anybody
out there in New Mexico ever gonna raid this place?
Maybe guy's ever gonna, you know, kick in an investigation
perhaps and bring some people in to question them, anything,
anything that even resembles an investigation. Nah, we're not gonna
see that. I guess Bill Richardson still has way too
much pull there. I guess the Santa Fe Institute still
has way too much pull there. Very unfortunate that they're
gonna let what happened in New Mexico die on the vine.
At least they hope that's what's going to happen. Well,
they might be in for a surprise. Officers said they
had no jurisdiction in Ohio and instructed her to talk
to the FBI instead. Farmer said she did, but the
FBI never followed up. Now that shouldn't shock anybody. If
you're listening to this podcast, you already know how I
feel about the FBI. And I'm not talking about the
rank and file guys. You know, ladies and men who
get up every day and go out and try and
cat that's real bad guys. My hat's off to people
like that. It's a hard ass job. I certainly would
never do it, but hey, hats off to you. My
big problem is with the bureaucratic assholes, the morons who
kill these cases, the people who have higher aspirations than
just being oh, I'm going to be an FBI agent. No,
these guys want to be politicians and judges and all
the other nonsense. So things become highly politicized. And that's
what happens with the FBI. What you think when things
get kicked up, it doesn't just get lost in the
Sauce magically disappear. In September nineteen ninety seven, Wexner celebrated
his sixtieth birthday with a dinner at his Ohio estate.
Meister says he used the occasion to once again tell
Wexner how untrustworthy Epstein was. My wife and I told
him and Abigail hundreds of times to stay away from Epstein,
Measter said, in front of guests, including former Senator Joe
Lieberman and real estate developer Marshall Rose. Meister said he
begged Wexner to sever ties with Epstein. Less wouldn't listen.
Measter said it was the last time Measter visited Wexner's house.
It was obvious to anyone at that point that Les
Wexner had made his decision on who his guy was,
who his right hand was, who his you know, his
number one confidant was going to be Jeffrey Epstein, and
nobody was going to tell him any different. And nobody
was able to tell a guy like Les Wexner any different.
Nobody was twisting his arm. He chose Jeffrey Epstein as
a confidante, as a best friend, as basically a brother. Meanwhile,
Epstein was driving a wedge between Wexner and the executives
at the Limited. Executives didn't stand why Wexner, a brutal
boss and famous control freak, allowed Epstein such latitude. Less
berated people. I once saw Less smack an executive on
top of the head. A former victorious secret executive said
Less could be a complete asshole. Recalled another former executive.
His favorite thing was to yell, you have shit for brains.
But with Epstein he took a more sympathetic stance. Less
would defer to him in any meeting. Less would put
his hand on Epstein's shoulder. So they had like this
father's son, creepy type of you know, Jamie Lanister, Circe
Lanister type of relationship. Right, and again it goes back
to the rumors and the whispers about them perhaps being
involved romantically. And it's certainly something that I give some
weight to. Definitely don't put it out of the realm
of possibility. Epstein often invoked Wesner's authority to make employees
feel as if they work for him. Epstein would call
you and wouldn't give his name. He'd just start talking
and expect you to know who it was. A former
senior executive said he was becoming more and more active
in the business. It was really upsetting people. In nineteen
ninety six, as the Limited was preparing to spin off
Abercrombie and Fitch into a separate company on the New
York Stock Exchange, Epstein flew to Columbus and told executives
that he would decide the share price. Imagine that. Imagine
you were one of the executives from the Limited and
Jeffrey Epstein's bitch ass gets off the plane and starts
hooting and hollering about he's making up share prices. I
don't know how one of these executives didn't just haul
off and crack them one. Oh you are are you well? First,
you're going to the dentist, and I suggest you bring
all of these teeth that I'm about to knock out
with you so you can get them.
Speaker 2: Put your head.
Speaker 1: You're making the share price while lo angol, you're making
the share price.
Speaker 2: That would be my answer.
Speaker 1: Anyway. Executives worried Epstein was committing insider trading because days earlier,
someone they assumed Epstein had sold an unusually large chunk
of Limited stock. There was so much concern that One
of the lawyers looked around the room and said, are
we going to have to go to jail for this?
We're called an executive who attended the meeting. According to
the executive, Epstein got his way. So that's the kind
of power this scumbag was wielding their folks. I want
to drive that point home. Epstein was such a powerful
figure in Wexner's life that he could get away with
shit like this, basically insider trading. And he probably was
involved in some insider trading here. Do I have the
evidence for that? No, but Ockham's razor, and all right,
we know that this guy was up to his forehead
and insider trading, working on the Gratz hustle, you name it.
The Limited's vice chairman, Tom Hopkins, told Wexner that Epstein
was a con man. Sources said Wexner brushed aside the
complaints less thought he knew more than the people around him.
A former executive said, yeah, guess not. How's that working
out for you now? Oh? Less you know, the saying
you should dance with the girl that you brought. Well,
Wexner forgot all about that. He abandoned the people that
helped make him successful. He abandoned the people who helped
make l brand successful and instead started riding shotgun with
Jeffrey Epstein instead, Merritt said, Beginning in the early aughts,
Epstein spent less and less time in Ohio, but publicly
Wexner still had glowing things to say about his money manager.
In two thousand and three, Wesner told a journalist that
Epstein had excellent judgment and unusually high standards, adding he
was always the most loyal friend. So, according to Wexner,
Epstein had excellent judgment and unusually high standards. High standards
for who exactly, high standards for Djankis Khan. Again, it
just goes to show you that all the bs Les
Wexner wants to pitch about how Epstein deceived him and
stole from him and all of that stuff, I don't
buy it for a second. It's all straight garbage, straight trash,
and every single thing that they talk about when it
comes to the relationship between Les Wexner and Jeffrey Epstein
needs to be examined. On the face of it, these
two men were vastly different in temperament. Epstein was about
flamboyant and not private at all. About his sexual appetites,
even if most everyone was unaware of the age of
his survivors. Oh yeah, okay, sure. Epstein filled his house
with erotic art and displayed a copy of Nabakhov's Lolita
and a book by the Marquise de Sad on his desk.
Sounds like a fantastically well adjusted guy, right, because that's
the kind of thing that's on everyone's desk when you
walk into their house. Wexner was a preshy billionaire who
literally built his own fiefdom in the middle of an
American rust belt. It's hard to ultimately define their dealings,
but I am certain that the vast sums Epstein earned
from Wexner were the source of his power. One of
the tragic ironies of this story is that Wexner's teenage
customer base was made up of the kinds of girls
that Epstein preyed upon. Epstein used the money and legitimacy
has worked for Wexner and others afforded him to bring
about unspeakable human suffering. Fair enough, he sure did. He
most certainly did, and the disgustingness of it. The whole
young girls and the pink brand that victorious secret and
all of it when you look at it through this scope,
is so disturbing that it is it almost takes your
breath away, honestly, with how disturbing the whole entire thing
is when you look at it all as one. Since
Epstein's death in August twenty nineteen, Wexner's professional life has
been in a tailspin. The board of L Brands, the
Limited was renamed in twenty thirteen, hired Davis Polk to
conduct an investigation into Wexner's relationship with Epstein. The investigation
was never made public, but months later Wexner stepped down
as CEO, ending his run as the longest serving chief
executive in the S and P. Five hundred. He remained
chairman of the board. So that investigation whatever right Again,
anytime they have one of these so called independent investigations,
I roll my eyes. You want to be impactful, you
want to do the right thing, Go and speak to
the FBI, willingly, go under oath and talk to them
about all the things you saw well you were around
Jeffrey Epstein. Short of that, it's all bs. In my opinion,
Wexner's problems only deepened. Shareholders sued L Brands, alleging the
Davis Polk investigation was a whitewash. L Brands retained the
law firm walked Ol Lipton to conduct a second investigation
into Wexner and Epstein's dealings. This past May, Wexner stepped
down from the L Brands board, ending his last official
role in the company he founded more than a half
century ago. So we know that he's still, you know,
friendly with people on that board. We know that he
still has some sympathy on that board. But at least
he had to suffer stepping down, right. I know it's
a small victory, but at least it's showing some progress
that there's going to be some sort of penalty for
these people, because, like I said earlier, I am not
too confident in people like Wexter getting charged by the
government or anything like that. All right now, I'd love
to be wrong, and I'd love to see the government
go hard, but their track record is not great. Meanwhile,
Dershowitz has subpoenaed Wexner to testify as part of his
defamation lawsuit against Virginia Roberts, who alleged Epstein effect her
to Dershowitz. Dershowitz denies Robert's allegations. L Brand shareholders are
suing board members, including the Wexners, in a Delaware court,
accusing Abigail Wexner of not doing enough while Epstein and
Gilain Maxwell sexually assaulted Maria Farmer in the New Albany compound.
Now imagine that shareholders are suing board members over what
happened to Maria. That's putting a stamp on Maria's story.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: The shareholders believer her, Obviously their lawyer's believer. Obviously, It's
too bad the FBI didn't. The Wexners have declined to comment,
citing pending litigation. Maxwell's sex trafficking trial is scheduled for
the fall. She has pleaded not guilty. Wexner's name is
bound to be discussed during testimony. Those who have known
Wexner longest have experience the range of emotions as they've
watched his fall. It's not the less I knew, and no,
former Columbus Mayor Greg Les Shutge told me Harold Levin,
the former financial advisor who feuded with Epstein, feels a
small measure of vindication. When Epstein was arrested, my ex
wife called me and said you were right, he told me.
Wesner's childhood friend, Peter Holliday thought that the full extent
of what Epstein's trail of destruction has yet to be told.
I know the story isn't finished, he said. When the
whole story does come out, I just hope Less is dead. Wow.
That's powerful stuff from his buddy Peter Holliday, powerful stuff
about Les Wexner and an indictment in my opinion, on
him and his long long relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Folks,
that concludes the Vanity Fair article detailing the relationship between
Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner. If you'd like to contact me,
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