WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:11.359 Tay my osiy like you just let me in my way. 2 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:17.519 Welcome world to Blaze listeners and now watchers. As promised, 3 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:21.120 I am doing video episodes, and as I stated previously, 4 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:23.640 for those who do listen to my audio only episodes, 5 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:28.839 I am primarily focusing on guest episodes and where those 6 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.160 will be video because I just believe it's better to 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.600 be able to see people's reactions for better context. You 8 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:39.200 can see people's faces, et cetera. Welcome to Episode eighty 9 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:44.359 and on today's episode, I have guest Evan Longen. Evan 10 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:47.719 Longen is a psychologist of forty five years. He used 11 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:51.039 to have his private practice. He also taught psycho therapy 12 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:54.039 and he's a published author. He wrote the book The 13 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:59.600 Root of Evil, and in that book he discusses how 14 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:04.000 it is possible that evil can creep into society without 15 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:07.920 us even knowing it. And of course this discussion definitely 16 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.200 goes in the direction of Trump. We discuss Trump as 17 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.480 many consider him to be evil or hitler or a dictator, 18 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.879 and so that discussion has had But then we shift 19 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:23.200 from domestic politics and talk about conflicts abroad. We talk 20 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:28.560 about Israel, Gaza, and of course we discuss Russia and Ukraine. 21 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:31.760 I really do hope you enjoy this episode. Evan's a 22 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:36.519 very intelligent person, and this is a great episode to 23 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:40.519 watch because in this episode you see that two people 24 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:43.519 that don't necessarily agree. I'm not a democrat of the 25 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:46.680 left and Devan is definitely not of the right, but 26 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.359 we were still able to come together, have a discussion 27 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.760 and even offer solutions that work, I mean, just makes 28 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:58.400 sense for everybody, for humans living on the planet in 29 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:00.239 a way that we can coexist in respec back to 30 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:06.319 each other. So, without further ado, here is Evan Longan. 31 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:09.919 So thank you for taking the time and coming onto 32 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.919 the show. And as we just discussed earlier before I 33 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:17.520 press record appropriate, giving what's going on in California, before 34 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:19.840 we move on, I want to go ahead, and I 35 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.240 mean the background that I see here on you had 36 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:28.280 You were a psychologists before the private practice. Is this true? Yes? Okay? 37 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.960 And you taught psychotherapy for over forty five years or 38 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:32.759 so is that correct? 39 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:33.120 Yes? 40 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:37.080 Okay, awesome? And then you became an author that book 41 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.360 The Root of Evil? And was that released in twenty 42 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.039 twenty two or twenty twenty three. 43 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:44.840 Twenty twenty At the end of twenty twenty two. 44 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:48.400 So right on that cusp of transitioning into twenty three. Yes, 45 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.280 and you're known for that. You sold a few copies 46 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:55.120 for sure, and you do discuss it and the subjects 47 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:57.759 in here. Now, I'm a politics and geopolitics show, but 48 00:02:57.800 --> 00:02:59.360 I do like to venture onto other areas. 49 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:00.360 Yeah. 50 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:02.599 That being said, I think a lot of what you 51 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:05.280 wrote in what you study is very appropriate to what's 52 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:08.039 going on today. I did want to ask you, though, 53 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:10.719 before we dive into that. Excuse me while I turn 54 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:18.599 this up, that that you mentioned something I'm reading here, 55 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.159 you your bio about how psychotherapy I believe, if I'm 56 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:26.599 getting this correct, can fail society or it can lead Yes, okay. 57 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:29.639 Yeah, Yeah, That's how I got interested in this whole 58 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:34.599 idea of the breakdown of institutions and the breakdown of 59 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:39.280 the body politic because in my own field we failed 60 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:40.520 people frequently. 61 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:42.000 Okay. 62 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:47.639 I originally was a fellow at the Nathan Ackerman Family Institute, 63 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:53.039 where I studied post doc and family therapy, and one 64 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:57.840 of the things we noted back then was that the 65 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:02.520 person who's the identified patient may in fact be the 66 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:07.599 person who is most likely to bring new perspective to 67 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:12.400 the family, and over and over again in my career, 68 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.879 I was given very difficult cases that were not responding 69 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.399 to treatment, and they found that they weren't responding to 70 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.399 treatment because they were treating the wrong person. That the 71 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.600 person that was the hospitalized or identified patient was not 72 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:33.360 the problem. And I have a case that I talk 73 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:36.399 about in my book that's the simplest one to understand. 74 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:40.720 I get a call from a mother who tells me 75 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:46.439 that her doctor, her pediatrician, had referred her family to 76 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:50.920 me that her son had just been excluded from school 77 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:55.240 after he went back to school and knocked out all 78 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:58.120 the windows on the first floor of the school. This 79 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.319 is an eight year old boy. So I said to 80 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.079 the mother, well, okay, I'm more than happy to see you. 81 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.040 I want to see you tomorrow with your whole family 82 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:10.759 and with the boy and we'll all talk about what's 83 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.079 going on. And the first thing she says to me, no, no, no, no, no, 84 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.240 you don't get it. My son is the problem. We 85 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:20.720 don't need to come in. And I said, ah, well, 86 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.040 you have to humor me, because this is how I work. 87 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.519 I like to see a family together, get a feel 88 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:28.920 for what the dynamics are that are going on in 89 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:32.680 the family, and if you want to bring your son in, 90 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.759 I'm more than happy to see you. She said, well, 91 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:39.240 I'm not coming in. I said, well, listen, then go 92 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:43.879 back to your pediatrician and get a referral to someone else. 93 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:48.000 She said, well, the doctor said you're the best around. 94 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.199 I said, well, thank you, So if you want my help, 95 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:53.600 come in. So the next day she arrives her husband 96 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:57.120 and herself and her son, but she didn't bring her daughter. 97 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.959 And I said to her, where's your daughter? And she said, 98 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.759 my daughter's not a problem. My son's the problem, and 99 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.319 you've got to fix him. Well you see where this 100 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:11.759 is going obviously, absolutely yea. So they all come into 101 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.160 the office, the three of them, and I say to 102 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:16.680 this son, would you do me a favor, Take your 103 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:18.360 chair and bring it up next to me. I want 104 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:22.560 you to be my assistant therapist. And he goes really, 105 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.639 and I said, yeah, I'd like you to help me. 106 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.680 And the mother goes, when is this What are you doing? 107 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:32.720 You're rewarding him for being a bad kid. I said, no, 108 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:36.680 I'm getting him to participate and to feel safe and 109 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:41.639 to join me in exploring what's going on in the family. Well, 110 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:45.959 to make a long story short. Ultimately she's about to 111 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.720 leave when the father says, I can't take it anymore. 112 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:52.279 My wife was out cold on the floor when he 113 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:56.600 came home from school. She's drunk, she's out of control, 114 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.279 and he, in his own way, went looking for help. 115 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:07.959 I said, Wow, that's really impressive. Dead. So I've seen 116 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:11.800 so much of that. I've seen where it's so easy 117 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.879 to look at a situation and blame that person, and 118 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.600 so often if that kid had been treated in a 119 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:23.959 more traditional setting, he would have been in therapy forever 120 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:25.279 with no progress. 121 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:28.759 Well because the mother would to mask her own actions 122 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.920 and her own behavior. Yes, it's effective family units. 123 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:35.600 So those are the kinds of situations that's as blatant 124 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:39.439 one as I can can share. One of the we 125 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:41.199 worked with a team. We would have a team of 126 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.560 people who sat in the room with me, and the 127 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.199 family would sit with other members of my team being interviewed, 128 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:53.160 and then the family would we would talk amongst ourselves 129 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:56.600 about the things we heard. In this one instance, a 130 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:59.800 young man who had been in McLean's Hospitals, a famous 131 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.480 say chiatric facility, and had been removed because he wasn't 132 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:08.079 making progress, sat with us on our team, and the 133 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:11.079 mother and the father and the sister were talking on 134 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:15.560 the other side of the room, and after they finished talking, 135 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:21.000 he looked at us and he said, holy cow, is 136 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:25.199 it possible that I did the things I did because 137 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.879 I knew my mother was so depressed and I needed 138 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.959 to do it to help the family? Is that? And 139 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:36.960 this came spontaneously from this twelve year old boy. So again, 140 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:41.000 over and over and over, I have been called into 141 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:44.120 difficult situations that don't get better because that's treating the 142 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:49.639 wrong situation, the wrong problem, right, That's how I got 143 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:50.159 into this. 144 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:57.360 Yeah, that's common in the medical industry in general. I mean, yes, yeah, 145 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:02.240 that's unfortunate. So with that that being said, is that 146 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:04.240 that is how why you got into doing what you're 147 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:05.879 doing and why you chose to get on the path 148 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:12.559 of researching. And in your book you do give you 149 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:17.200 your opinions on how evil can easily sneak into society. 150 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:22.080 Now does this tie into that? Do you think? 151 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:28.519 Yeah? Again, what I started to see in situations in 152 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.360 the families that work with. And by the way, I 153 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:37.559 also back back around nineteen twenty ten that era. For 154 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.879 five years I was in the Middle East, working with 155 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:45.759 Palestinian and Israeli children, bringing them together to talk with 156 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:49.200 each other and to learn about each other and to collaborate. 157 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:56.320 So my experience went from being a psychotherapist to working 158 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:00.840 in issues in the community. But what I saw over 159 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:07.919 and over again was one binary thinking us versus them 160 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:12.279 in the case of the Middle East, Israelis versus Palestinians. 161 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:22.840 In today's California, the weight majority versus minority immigrants, they're 162 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:29.840 seen as different, they're seen as other. The second thing 163 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:37.600 is power over behavior, where the psychiatrist or the teacher 164 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:45.679 or the politician uses power to control situations that should 165 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:53.320 come about in a more collaborative discussion between people. The 166 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:57.840 third piece is the control of information. Today, today a 167 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:00.919 blatant thing happened. I don't know if you saw. Senator 168 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:05.720 Padilla was tackled when he was trying to ask questions 169 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.320 of the Secretary of Homeland Security. 170 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:11.759 I did not see that today. Yet he was. 171 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:17.519 Thrown to the ground, he was handcuffed, And the story 172 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:21.399 that MAGA is putting out is that they didn't know 173 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:25.919 who he was, he didn't identify himself. Well, you can 174 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.279 watch the TV reporting of this, so you can see 175 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:33.159 he's going I'm Senator Padilla, I mean said and throwing 176 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:38.120 him to the ground. So again there's a distortion of information. 177 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:42.960 Information is corrupted, we don't get the truth. And the 178 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.799 final the final piece that I found was people come 179 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.320 up with simplistic solutions to complex problems. 180 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:51.759 Yeah, they do. 181 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:55.919 So instead of they're saying, Okay, this is going to 182 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.120 require some thought. We're going to have to work together. 183 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.799 Both sides have to come together and collaborate to come 184 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:08.159 up with a solution. Unfortunately, in all the instances that 185 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.519 I put in my book of Evil, in the community, 186 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:17.679 in the college, in psychotherapy, we come up with simplistic solutions. 187 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.679 This kid broke the windows. He needs to be the patient. 188 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:30.799 It's it's too often a simplistic approach to something that 189 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:36.960 requires more in depth discussion and collaboration. 190 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:40.440 Well, because punishment's not treating the cause right or the 191 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:45.120 root of why they behave that way right. So that 192 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:49.519 all being said, it's in society, I mean, we'll just 193 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:51.440 dive into because we're already talking about things that are 194 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:56.519 going on. Obviously, Trump administration repolarizing figure. Some people approve, 195 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:01.840 some people don't, but regardless of some people see him 196 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:07.080 as a dictator, fascist, evil person. Fine, so let's talk 197 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.000 about how or if you can explain rather because you're 198 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.759 the expert in this is from your viewpoint, How does 199 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:16.639 evil creep in? How does it get accepted to society? 200 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:20.600 And how do these cults get formed where people are 201 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.919 just willingly, just blindly following the leader. How does this happen? 202 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.679 How does it happen? I just got back from Europe. 203 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:36.919 I was in Germany in Austria, and I was struck 204 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:45.440 by what a wonderful culture, historic culture, the German Austrian 205 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:53.279 culture has been over generations. How was it possible that 206 00:13:53.879 --> 00:14:01.960 people joined with Adolf Hitler in this horrendous movement that 207 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:10.080 was so inhuman, so evil, so dastardly. I don't know 208 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:10.799 whether the were to you. 209 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.080 That is the prime example of evil sneaking in and 210 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:15.159 become acceptable, right. 211 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:23.000 And being accepted. My senses, you need people to be frightened, 212 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:26.639 You need people to feel like they're not being heard. 213 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:30.440 I didn't spend enough time in my book talking about that. 214 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.480 The reason why Hitler took hold is the people of 215 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.039 Germany felt like they were mistreated after World War One. 216 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:44.759 They were poor, they were hungry, they wanted more opportunity, 217 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:49.120 and Hitler was giving them a sense of the power, 218 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.440 sense of being heard. Trump is doing exactly the same thing. 219 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:58.720 Trump listened to people who were feeling left out, feeling 220 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:04.399 like to peopleeople who felt like they weren't given the 221 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:11.440 same opportunities as others. Unfortunately, those people are not being 222 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:17.320 represented by Trump. He is not making it any easier 223 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.440 for them to buy eggs, He's not making it any 224 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.200 easier for them to have access. In fact, his whole 225 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:30.000 political economic strategy is he's going to give more money 226 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.559 to the rich and then ultimately that's going to seep 227 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:39.639 down to the poor people. So again they they they 228 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:44.679 think he's he is speaking to their hurt and their 229 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:51.720 anger and their receptive to it. That's how it happens, 230 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:52.080 I think. 231 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:57.240 I mean, he can't argue against that. That is that 232 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.559 is usually how most any leader who gets elected, though 233 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.320 it comes into power regardless. I mean, you're you're trying 234 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.759 to play it to people's sympathies, right, That's usually what But. 235 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:12.519 The problem the problem with with Trump, with Hitler, with 236 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:23.039 other meglomaniacs is that they really uh don't offer solutions 237 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.840 that will make the situation any better. They offer false 238 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.720 solutions that ultimately create more problems. 239 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:35.399 It's interesting do you think some of some of because 240 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:37.720 he is an interesting person to talk about. I mean, 241 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.000 he's never never had a president like this ever, and 242 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.159 it's it. I I will I will say that I 243 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.720 don't agree with how he acts in public, Like he's 244 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.720 not presidential, you know, and and the and the thing 245 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.240 that that he does, Like why are we airing out 246 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.720 grievances on social media? For example, that whole spat between 247 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:59.039 him and Elon Musk and whoever wants to speak up 248 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:02.799 against him, Like that's, let's kind of closed door conversation, right, 249 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.279 you work that out, You keep that, you keep that 250 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.440 out of the public. In my opinion, do you feel 251 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:10.759 Trump though, at times where he does have success, do 252 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.480 you think it's intentional or just accidental? Like things just 253 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:17.240 kind of half hal hazardly come together and he just 254 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:17.920 claims the win. 255 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:25.440 Look, Unfortunately, in each of these situations that I think 256 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:30.799 evil comes about, the person is not open to collaboration. 257 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:37.160 The person is not open to being in a discussion 258 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:43.440 that brings together multiple ideas and then work out as 259 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:48.400 best a solution as you can. Trump, unfortunately, besides being 260 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:56.559 vulgar and crass, doesn't respect. He speaks badly about anybody 261 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.759 who disagrees with him. He calls them communist, he calls 262 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.680 them we he calls them all kinds of names. But 263 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.880 he doesn't say, Okay, I want to talk with them, 264 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.799 let's sit down and talk about what's the best way 265 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.680 to go forward. And that was my sense when I 266 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:22.519 was in Middle East. Those people never understood that both 267 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:26.319 sides had reasonable claims to their position. 268 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:28.880 Okay, it wasn't that. 269 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:33.200 The Israelis were correct or that the Palestinians were correct. 270 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:39.480 They both had legitimate claims that needed to be listened to, 271 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:46.200 and unfortunately the powers that be continue to vilify the other. 272 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:52.799 Side right right, Well that's not uncommon though. You know, 273 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.039 each side things they're right, each side things that they're owed, 274 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.920 whatever it is they believe is old to them. That 275 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:04.079 situation like that, that's that goes back a very long ways, 276 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:07.160 it really does. I don't I don't know if we're 277 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.599 ever going to come to a solution on as far 278 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:11.880 as that goes, I would hope. So, I mean, I 279 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:14.400 don't think that the Palestinian people themselves need to be 280 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:18.440 caught in the middle between what's allegedly happening between Hamas 281 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:23.319 and you know, Israel. But it's it's just it's just 282 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.079 sad that I think that those people have to go 283 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:26.720 through this and they're they're the ones being stuck in 284 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:29.599 the middle between the two fighting, and they're being used, 285 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.200 you know, they're being used not just as shields but 286 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:37.240 absolutely both they are. 287 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.759 Again, that's the problem. The problem is that's to me, 288 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:46.160 has all the makings of evil. Us versus them, power 289 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.240 over behavior. I'm stronger than you, so. 290 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:54.839 I'll fuck you up, right, Yeah. 291 00:19:55.359 --> 00:20:00.039 Simplistic solutions out below the hell out of Gaza and 292 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:01.640 the Hamas. 293 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.920 Will disappear, right, which is not the right place not 294 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:05.559 tell the. 295 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:11.079 Truth about the political realities that are governing why these 296 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:14.440 people are behaving this way, the powers are behaving this way. 297 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:21.640 Nettan Yahoo has all kinds of political agenda that have 298 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:26.759 nothing to do with Hamas, and yet that will be 299 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:32.599 his his calling card. I'm going to save israelis from Hamas. 300 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:35.839 So what do you think So what is his actual 301 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:39.519 political okay, example of his political agenda outside of He's 302 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:42.839 going to save Israel from Hamas? What what do you 303 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:44.519 think it is he wants to achieve? 304 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:46.119 He wants to maintain power. 305 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:48.400 Well, yeah, right, he. 306 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:53.279 Is in cahoots with the ultra Orthodox and he needs 307 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:58.160 their support. He has been much like Trump, he has 308 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:02.279 been indicted on a number of crimes that he does 309 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:04.880 not want to sit before the court. In fact, he's 310 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:07.799 trying to change the nature of the court. Right, So 311 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:13.039 those other agenda are part of what are driving him 312 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:14.799 to do what he does. 313 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:22.160 Okay, And so how do you feel about the sudden 314 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:25.200 thinning out or pulling out of you know, our embassies 315 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:26.279 in the Middle East? Right now? 316 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:29.200 Is it? 317 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:33.359 Is it? Basically you think the US or Trump saying, Hey, 318 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:35.480 I had nothing to do with this. Now, who's doing 319 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:37.279 whatever he's going to do. We can't stop them, we 320 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.559 can't control them. He's not listening. The reports are there 321 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:43.799 is a verge of well, they're on the verge of 322 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:47.240 attacking Iran for example, Yes, which is what the hot 323 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.640 topic is, which is a bad thing. Regardless, Yes, what 324 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:53.039 do you think the move was there? 325 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:53.279 Then? 326 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:59.440 As far as Trump administrations concerned, Trump. 327 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:04.519 Thought he had an easy solution to the situation in 328 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.960 the Middle East. He thought he had an easy solution 329 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:12.359 to the Russian Ukraine war. Right, Neither one of those 330 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.960 things are turning out to be easy solutions and require 331 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:24.240 a lot more in depth analysis and discussion than he understood. 332 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:28.279 Now he sees that Netta Yahoo is as crazy as 333 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.799 he is, and that Neta Yahoo can't be dealt with 334 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.079 in a way that he anticipated Netta Yahoo would be. 335 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:39.599 And it scares him to think that all of a sudden, 336 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.400 the Middle East is going to blow up into a 337 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:44.960 major conflagration. 338 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:49.200 I mean, they were always in the verge since the 339 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:53.400 beginning of time, it seems as well. So let's talk 340 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.200 about that Ukraine piece then, So does the world really 341 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.519 seem you know, both the world blames the US for 342 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.799 that situation for whatever reason? Do you think that Trump 343 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:08.400 is really the blame for this situation? And is it 344 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:09.200 solely fall. 345 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:13.440 Name for which situation? I mean, he certainly wasn't Ukraine Russia? Yeah, 346 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:19.799 I think the one to blame. There is another egomaniac 347 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:26.079 named Putin, right, and Putin was determined to make a 348 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:31.119 greater Soviet Union again, Yeah, and he's thought he again 349 00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:36.559 misread simplistic solution to a complex problem. He misread the 350 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:41.160 situation in the Ukraine that they would be easy marks 351 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:43.720 for him to march in and him take over a 352 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:49.680 part of their territory. So again it starts, I think 353 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:55.079 with Putin. Unfortunately, again, Trump, being who he is and 354 00:23:55.440 --> 00:24:02.279 his his sense that he has this charisma that can 355 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:07.440 make other people bend to his ways. Thought that Putin 356 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.319 would come around and he would come up with an 357 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:17.359 alliance and they would solve the Russian Ukraine problem, just 358 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:23.599 like he did with Netanyahu. Unfortunately, he's dealing with people 359 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.480 who are much the same as he is. And then 360 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:33.640 you got guys like Erdawan and Turkey and Orebon and Hungry, 361 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.480 all these people that he aligns himself with that are 362 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:42.359 also of the same ilk. So I mean, think about 363 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:45.440 the simplistic solutions that he's coming up with while he's 364 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:54.880 alienating NATO, our historic allies, making like they have robbing us. 365 00:24:55.839 --> 00:25:01.480 That's such misinformation. Again, it's so interesting. Have you been 366 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:02.680 in Europe recently? 367 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.000 No, I have not. 368 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.440 Europe is so far ahead of us in their lifestyle. 369 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.400 They have buses that don't give off missions. They have 370 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.240 lights when you go into the room to go on 371 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:18.880 and off. They have escalators at the airport that shut 372 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:23.119 down if there's nobody running on them. They have streets 373 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:28.759 that are paved. We are becoming a third world country. 374 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:31.599 He's telling everybody we're the greatest country in the world. 375 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:36.160 My eyes tell me that you go to a place 376 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:43.240 like Spain or France. They live so much healthier lifestyles. 377 00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.079 They take breaks in the middle of the day, they 378 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.039 don't work the number of hours we work. They get 379 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.359 all these benefits that he calls the socialist conspiracy. They 380 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.920 get their they get their medicine paid for, they get 381 00:25:55.960 --> 00:26:00.519 their education paid for, they get their home googling and 382 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:04.640 paid for it for their children. And we're talking about 383 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:09.559 them like they're crazy people. We aren't getting the facts 384 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:11.599 out there for us to listen to. 385 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:17.519 Yeah, but our situation has gone This is years in 386 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:20.920 the making. This isn't specific to any Republican or Democratic 387 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.680 president regardless. It's been going on for quite some time. 388 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:26.920 But it's been taken to an extreme. 389 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.200 Well, it has because people tend to not like Trump. 390 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.640 And you know, call it what you will, but you know, 391 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:38.079 when everybody is doing everything they can to focus the 392 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.880 messaging on Trump. Bad, Hey, Trump, he's going to be 393 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:42.880 the scapegoat of everything. 394 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:43.039 Now. 395 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.400 He's not perfect. I've already admitted that, and he does 396 00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:48.720 do some stupid things. I mean, we can't. I'm not 397 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:49.960 gonna sit here and pat him on the back all 398 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.319 day because I can't. You know, we can't deny. It's 399 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:54.759 like I scratch my head constantly, like what are you doing? 400 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.400 You know? Sometimes I'm like, okay, you got something, but 401 00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.119