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Speaker 3: Ali Ward back with a watery historical episode of ologies.
Speaker 3: I've wanted to do this episode for so long. Truth
Speaker 3: be told I would love to revisit this ology again
Speaker 3: and again.
Speaker 2: Perhaps I will. Do you want that?
Speaker 3: I have a sinking feeling that you do. But first
Speaker 3: hear the episode. So this ologist is an ologite as well,
Speaker 3: and pitched the topic to me with such zeal and
Speaker 3: such passion that I just couldn't wait to dive in
Speaker 3: and hear all about it. She's so enthusiastic about the
Speaker 3: science and the culture, and her approach to what lost
Speaker 3: craft represent in terms of history and lives is really beautiful.
Speaker 3: I think you're going to dig this archaeologist, Okay, So
Speaker 3: maritime archaeology. Maritime archaeology comes from mare, which means sea
Speaker 3: in Latin, and archaeos, which is ancient in Greek. And
Speaker 3: there are very niche differences between marine archaeology, nautical archaeology,
Speaker 3: and maritime archaeology. But this guest is technically a maritime
Speaker 3: art archaeologist. And also this gives me an excuse to
Speaker 3: do more episodes on stuff that's underwater, So works for me. Now.
Speaker 3: She took a break from cleaning dive equipment and finishing
Speaker 3: up her master's thesis to hop on a call to
Speaker 3: chat about her love of the sea. The Bermuda, Triangle Atlantis,
Speaker 3: her favorite ship captain of all time, your new favorite
Speaker 3: ship captain, and the life that blooms around tragedy. So
Speaker 3: batten down your hatches and share your timbers for a
Speaker 3: chat with maritime archaeologist Chanel zaphyropolislogist, algy slogy knowlogies.
Speaker 2: Yes, a shipbreak expert.
Speaker 4: My name is Chanelle Zaphyropolis or zapp whatever is easier.
Speaker 2: And do you get seasick? I'm gonna guess no.
Speaker 4: I've been csick, oh like twice and once I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure it was food poisoning ships.
Speaker 2: So ahwai, let's go.
Speaker 3: Can you tell me a little bit about what maritime
Speaker 3: archaeologists do? Are they collecting samples? Do they raise the
Speaker 3: ships off of the seafloor?
Speaker 2: Or is that very verbotum? And it's like keep it there.
Speaker 4: Uh, You're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna say it
Speaker 4: depends very quick, explain his response. Institutions and governments have
Speaker 4: different practicing policies in different parts of the world, and
Speaker 4: then it also depends on your interests and your budget.
Speaker 4: But just a big thing. So there definitely have been
Speaker 4: wrecks that have been entirely surfaced. The mary Rose the
Speaker 4: Vasa is a big one.
Speaker 3: Just a quick aside some cliff notes. The mary Rose
Speaker 3: was a sixteenth century English tutor worship that capsized off
Speaker 3: the Isle of Right and was raised up in the
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy And the Vasa is a Swedish warship that
Speaker 3: sank in the Stockholm Harbor on its maiden voyage in
Speaker 3: sixteen twenty eight. Thousands of people had gathered to see
Speaker 3: her off and rounded a corner, hit some wind flooded sank.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of conservation issues even if you
Speaker 3: manage to raise the funds to raise the ship.
Speaker 4: And then it also like for me, there's the ethics
Speaker 4: of it. Some shipwrecks don't have a lot of marine
Speaker 4: life growth on it. They're not having a big ecological impact.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, maybe you can surface it. Some
Speaker 4: have a negative impact, and so you're like, yes, do
Speaker 4: surface it. And then some is just no, it's doing
Speaker 4: more good where it is, like it serves a purpose
Speaker 4: where it is. Everything in archaeology has an equilibrium in
Speaker 4: terms of decay, So it's going to reach a certain
Speaker 4: point where it's no longer going to decay underwater and
Speaker 4: underwater actually, depending on the environment, might be better for
Speaker 4: it than anything we can do on land. So if
Speaker 4: it's not in harm by shipping lanes, it's not in
Speaker 4: a site where there's going to be like development, maybe
Speaker 4: you're going to put an offshore wind farm there, you
Speaker 4: might want to just leave it because it's going to
Speaker 4: cost a lot and it's you know, it's doing some
Speaker 4: good where it is. So yeah, it's definitely a mixed bag.
Speaker 3: Sunken treasure. Did one person find somenken treasure one time
Speaker 3: and then everyone's like a bunch of ships out there
Speaker 3: which rolled on it? Or was that an actual thing
Speaker 3: where their banks were like in the hull?
Speaker 4: I wish I knew. I wish I knew more about
Speaker 4: pirates and whatnot. I know a lot more about corsairs
Speaker 4: than I do about pirates.
Speaker 2: What's a corsairs?
Speaker 4: The corsairs are often called air quotes legal pirates, and
Speaker 4: that's not entirely true. Oh privateers, sorry, And then corsairs
Speaker 4: pirates do it for themselves, right, like they're the thieves
Speaker 4: of the high seat. They are looking after their own interests.
Speaker 4: Corsairs are acting in the name of a country or
Speaker 4: a religion. Yeah, they do pillage other vessels, and they
Speaker 4: do attack other boats, and they do collect literal treasure. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but they also did do actual trade, so it might
Speaker 4: be like jewels and coins that they plundered from other
Speaker 4: vessels they came across. They might have been like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this load of pottery is going to fetch a pretty penny,
Speaker 4: we'll take that please. So it wasn't like all treasure,
Speaker 4: but definitely they did have literal treasure chests, and they
Speaker 4: had three keys to these treasure chests. The captain, I
Speaker 4: think it was the priest, and then the doctor all
Speaker 4: had one key, so you couldn't open unless you've had
Speaker 4: all three keys to make sure that the captain didn't
Speaker 4: steal from it, because that was partially going to be
Speaker 4: your wages as your crew.
Speaker 3: Did you know that Florida has a whole coast called
Speaker 3: the Treasure Coast because eleven Spanish galleons sank in a
Speaker 3: seventeen to fifteen hurricane. There's millions of dollars worth of
Speaker 3: incredibly shiny gold and silver coins out there, and sometimes
Speaker 3: they just wash ashore like Vegas jackpot style, only it's
Speaker 3: Florida and it's pirate treasure. Before if a vessel sinks,
Speaker 3: someone's like where is it, You're like, oh, it's in
Speaker 3: the ocean. But when did we actually start getting to
Speaker 3: study these shipwrecks? And by we I mean people like
Speaker 3: you definitely not me. But was it when we developed
Speaker 3: sonar radar?
Speaker 2: Like, how did it work?
Speaker 4: Great questions studying shipwrecks themselves. It's happened for a while,
Speaker 4: Like we've been doing it in some way, shape or
Speaker 4: form for a while. Definitely, the advent of scuba gear
Speaker 4: and sonar just escalated it like crazy, because we used
Speaker 4: to have diving bells. We used to have these like
Speaker 4: great bag canisters we could lower down into the water
Speaker 4: and with like piped air from the surface and people
Speaker 4: would work and that's how they would work on like bridges.
Speaker 4: So we did have wasys to explore underwater. Before self
Speaker 4: contained underwater breathing apparatus was a thing, it was very limited. Definitely,
Speaker 4: sonar makes it so much easier to locate things now.
Speaker 3: Sonar as we know it came about after nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 3: It was developed around World War One, but some early
Speaker 3: uses are said to be in the fourteen hundreds, when
Speaker 3: Leonardo da Vinci like screamed into an underwater tube.
Speaker 4: But back on topic, communications, I would say, is the
Speaker 4: other big thing we know where that Titanic went down
Speaker 4: because we knew exactly how far into its voyage it
Speaker 4: was when it sank. We knew exactly what sort of
Speaker 4: latitude it was supposed to be traveling at, and we
Speaker 4: had communications via telegram if it had deviated versus before that. Okay,
Speaker 4: a ship didn't make it to harbor. You didn't find
Speaker 4: out about that until months later when it was supposed
Speaker 4: to have come back, and it still hasn't.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So it was supposed to go from England to New Hampshire,
Speaker 4: what latitude did it end up with? Did bad weather
Speaker 4: force it to take a farther selth trajectory? So it's
Speaker 4: like pretty much good luck trying, yeah, trying to figure
Speaker 4: that out.
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, the Titanic could send texts. Yes, So in
Speaker 3: the late eighteen hundreds, electromagnetic radiation was used to commune
Speaker 3: date Morse code wirelessly from ships and lighthouses, and it
Speaker 3: could travel about three hundred miles in the daytime, but
Speaker 3: double or triple after dark, so ships could send messages
Speaker 3: to each other. Another ship heard her calls and saved
Speaker 3: some of the seven hundred survivors, although fifteen hundred lives
Speaker 3: were lost to the sea off Newfoundland twelve thousand, six
Speaker 3: hundred feet deep and the world record for deepest dive
Speaker 3: of a human hits three hundred and thirty meters or
Speaker 3: around one thousand feet Hey twenty twenty three, Ali here,
Speaker 3: and with the recent shipwreck news, I thought this might
Speaker 3: be a good place to chime in about something that
Speaker 3: comes up a lot when we talk about being down
Speaker 3: where it's wetter, down where it's better under the sea,
Speaker 3: and that is pressure. Okay, So think about how heavy
Speaker 3: a pitcher of water is, right, which is probably less
Speaker 3: than a single gallon. Now, the deeper you go in
Speaker 3: the ocean, the more water is above you and around you,
Speaker 3: and all that water has a lot weight. So the
Speaker 3: deeper you go, the more weight is pressing on you,
Speaker 3: and the more pressure you feel. And pressure can be
Speaker 3: measured in what's called atmospheres. So one atmosphere measures fourteen
Speaker 3: point six pounds per square inch, and that's the amount
Speaker 3: of pressure we experience at the surface level of the
Speaker 3: Earth from air, just walking around, living our lives. For
Speaker 3: every ten meters below the surface of the water, the
Speaker 3: pressure increases by one atmosphere, and we can figure out
Speaker 3: how many atmospheres of pressure are at a given depth
Speaker 3: with some really simple division. So we take the depth
Speaker 3: of the meters and let's say the deepest a person
Speaker 3: can dive is a thousand feet. That's about three hundred meters.
Speaker 3: So we divide that number by ten. So three hundred
Speaker 3: divided by ten is thirty atmospheres of pressure. So can
Speaker 3: you figure out how many atmospheres of pressure you'd feel
Speaker 3: at the bottom of the ocean where the Titanic is,
Speaker 3: which is twelve thousand, six hundred feet underwater. You can
Speaker 3: divide that by ten. But don't forget to convert to
Speaker 3: meters first. So converted to meters by dividing by three
Speaker 3: and then divide that by ten. Okay, did you get it? Cool?
Speaker 2: Most ship wrecks do.
Speaker 3: They happen because of weather running around icebergs.
Speaker 2: What is sinking most of these vessels.
Speaker 4: Depends, So in some parts of the world icebergs are
Speaker 4: definitely more of a concern than they are in other
Speaker 4: parts of the world. Newfoundland, where I did my undergrad
Speaker 4: definitely has a lot more concern with icebergs. In Newfounland,
Speaker 4: you also have crazy fog, so that's definitely another weather condition.
Speaker 4: And there have been reports of vessels that just got
Speaker 4: lost in fog for days and couldn't navigate. And when
Speaker 4: you have this heavy fog, you don't have wind, so
Speaker 4: if you're relying on wind power, you can't really get anywhere.
Speaker 4: If you're relying on oil, if you happen to be
Speaker 4: going in the wrong direction, you're just going farther away
Speaker 4: from land. A lot of wrecks happen in zones of convergence.
Speaker 4: The channels things narrow out and you have to go
Speaker 4: through a potentially dangerous area. A lot of recks happen
Speaker 4: because of other recks. So some thing to say too,
Speaker 4: like really goes down. Yeah, Like if you if you
Speaker 4: think back to when ship's had masks, like one ship
Speaker 4: goes down because you navigated wrong or whether or whatever.
Speaker 4: You now don't have five meters beneath you till the rocks.
Speaker 4: You have a few meters before the mass, the superstructure,
Speaker 4: all of that stuff.
Speaker 3: I have so many questions from listeners, there so many,
Speaker 3: and they're such good questions. Can I lob some patren questions?
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Speaker 2: Okay, back to.
Speaker 3: Underwater Nautical Inquisition, A lot of folks all wanted to
Speaker 3: know what's the number one wreck you wish you could
Speaker 3: freely explore but you can't. Ruby asked, is there an
Speaker 3: El Dorado of shipwrecks? The mythical ship that has yet
Speaker 3: to be discovered? Is there one out there that people
Speaker 3: are like, where is it?
Speaker 4: Oh? My gosh. I feel like every ship is that
Speaker 4: until it becomes discovered, and like the thing is even
Speaker 4: when we discover a shipwreck, A lot of times we
Speaker 4: don't know exactly what ship it is until like years
Speaker 4: of study, right, really super cool. Oh yeah, it's not
Speaker 4: like when a flight goes missing. You've got the black
Speaker 4: box like radar for the last place. We don't have
Speaker 4: that for like older ships, So you do all this
Speaker 4: detective work before you can dive down to it. And
Speaker 4: the LaBelle is a classic case of one where this
Speaker 4: Archieologos spent most of his career looking for it, and
Speaker 4: I think like the year before he retired was when
Speaker 4: he finally found it. So like one of my personal
Speaker 4: heroes is this Greek naval captain. She actually went on
Speaker 4: to be like the first female lieutenant in the Russian Navy.
Speaker 4: Her name is Laskarina Buberlina, and she fought during the
Speaker 4: Greek War of Independence.
Speaker 3: Admiral las Karina Bobolina. So this lady was born in prison,
Speaker 3: her father was a revolutionary.
Speaker 2: She grew up.
Speaker 3: She had a seafaring husband who was killed by pirates.
Speaker 3: She took over his shipping business and had more boats built,
Speaker 3: including a giant warship called Armageddon, which is not a
Speaker 3: subtle name, and she died in a gun battle with
Speaker 3: her in laws. Paintings of her look like the teacher
Speaker 3: in high school you're terrified of, who also taught you
Speaker 3: the most and you liked the most.
Speaker 4: Part of me is like I would love to find
Speaker 4: any wreck that's associated with her. Probably not going to happen,
Speaker 4: and that's okay. But basically because like wooden shipwrecks when
Speaker 4: they're damaged in conflicts, so there's a few ways that
Speaker 4: can happen. You either would try to damage their mast
Speaker 4: or their rudder so that they can't navigate, and then
Speaker 4: you try to board a vessel and then you claim it.
Speaker 4: Because boats and the cannons on them are so expensive
Speaker 4: to make and so labor intensive. A good ship you
Speaker 4: can use for years on end, right, so you don't
Speaker 4: actually want to like just destroy it to smotherings, which
Speaker 4: you see in a lot of movies like Parts of
Speaker 4: the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: A ton of people asked about age of shipwrecks, like
Speaker 3: how far back can we date them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so it depends on the wreck, definitely, That
Speaker 4: annoying typical scientists answer depends And we've got a lot
Speaker 4: of different materials at our disposal, like resources at our
Speaker 4: disposal to age them. And the one that everybody knows
Speaker 4: is carbon dating. Can carbon date shipwrecks some of them.
Speaker 4: Depending on the age, you will decide how accurate that
Speaker 4: carbon date is, which is still super cool.
Speaker 3: Quick aside chemistry fun fact, So organic matter has carbon
Speaker 3: and see fourteen. Dating is only applicable to organic and
Speaker 3: some inorganic materials, but not applicable to metals. What I
Speaker 3: didn't even realize that. But you can use it on
Speaker 3: things like wood and bones and leather and pottery and such.
Speaker 4: Typically we can carbon date, but that's only one source
Speaker 4: that we'll use, because carbon dating has a pretty big
Speaker 4: error factor like plus or minus so many years, and
Speaker 4: then plus you add onto that the fact that the
Speaker 4: carbon date is not the date that the ship sank,
Speaker 4: it's the date that the tree was cut down. So
Speaker 4: depending on where in the world the timber is from,
Speaker 4: they have different methodologies for building ships and for harvesting timber.
Speaker 4: You might have trees going into building a ship from
Speaker 4: fifteen different seasons, like fifteen different years. And then on
Speaker 4: top of that, you might have wood that sort of
Speaker 4: sits in a shipyard or it gets seasoned for X
Speaker 4: number of years before it actually gets built, and then
Speaker 4: the ship gets used for so many years before it
Speaker 4: actually sinks, so the date that you get might be
Speaker 4: one hundred years before the date that it actually sank. Anyways,
Speaker 4: So then there's all these other methods that we use,
Speaker 4: and so one of the big things would be looking
Speaker 4: at what's actually on the shipwreck, whatever was in the hull,
Speaker 4: the materials it was carrying. So things like amphoras and
Speaker 4: bottles and coins all have like very stylistic changes that
Speaker 4: are very unique to different places and time periods, and
Speaker 4: that's one way that we can track the age of
Speaker 4: a shipwreck. And then you get what I'm doing. So
Speaker 4: sea creatures, especially hard shelled sea creatures, grow at set rates, right,
Speaker 4: They've got sort of growth rings in their own shells,
Speaker 4: and so this is called sclerochronology. And this isn't exactly
Speaker 4: what I'm doing, but it feeds into that. So if
Speaker 4: there's this idea that the coral reef or the ecosystem
Speaker 4: that's growing on the shipwreck can help indicate how long
Speaker 4: it's been there for, we can sort of backdate it.
Speaker 4: So my site, I know it's only been there for
Speaker 4: seventy five years. I know that I have a rough
Speaker 4: estimate of the growth rate factors for all those organisms,
Speaker 4: you know, divide by seventy five.
Speaker 3: Years, so maybe the wreck is two hundred years old.
Speaker 3: But the coral is a spry fifty so she can
Speaker 3: find a shipwreck at a similar depth and compare notes
Speaker 3: on the living critters to get a rough estimate, kind
Speaker 3: of like a wreck detective a rectective.
Speaker 4: So you'll typically look at all these different factors as
Speaker 4: many as you can and crunch them together to figure out, like,
Speaker 4: you know, where as much overlap as possible within all
Speaker 4: your different dates is. And then that gives you a
Speaker 4: more narrow time period for the ship's actual sinking.
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's some detective work. Okay.
Speaker 3: A lot of people had a question about what is
Speaker 3: the most interesting find on a shipwreck in your opinion,
Speaker 3: So Amanda Chris says, first time question asker, longtime listener,
Speaker 3: what is the most fascinating discovery or item on a shipwreck?
Speaker 4: And why is it?
Speaker 2: The anti kathy or a mechanism?
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, Chef's kiss to you. I knew somebody was
Speaker 4: going to ask them. So the antikit theater mechanism is
Speaker 4: like often called the world's first computer. It's basically like
Speaker 4: four o' clocks I think there was one that they
Speaker 4: think was every four years instead of every twelve hours,
Speaker 4: and so they speculated that it tracked the Olympics. I
Speaker 4: don't know the validity of that, but it also has
Speaker 4: like evidence that might be linked to astrological or astronomical dyslexic,
Speaker 4: so I get them confused. But so it was theoretically
Speaker 4: something that helped navigate because in order to track where
Speaker 4: you are at sea, you need to know the time
Speaker 4: and where you are if you're looking at the night sky,
Speaker 4: if you're navigating via the sky, you need to know
Speaker 4: the time because that's going to decide where in the
Speaker 4: night sky certain things are. And then so depending on
Speaker 4: it the angles that they're at compared to the horizon.
Speaker 4: And if you know the time, you know how far
Speaker 4: you've traveled from your origin. You get into like the
Speaker 4: quantum physics of like knowing space, time and everything else.
Speaker 4: How they figure.
Speaker 3: Picture a box with brassy cogs and wheels and astrological symbols,
Speaker 3: but corroded and fused into one rocky blob. So after
Speaker 3: its discovery by some sponge divers in nineteen oh one,
Speaker 3: it sat around for a few years because no one
Speaker 3: really knew or cared that this was possibly the first
Speaker 3: analog computer to predict eclipses and such.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so that's a very very cool mechanism. That's
Speaker 4: cool because it's the only one that we've found like it,
Speaker 4: and it's sort of standalone in space and time. The
Speaker 4: coolest things, I think are always the things that show
Speaker 4: us about their daily lives. It's always going to be
Speaker 4: the things that you don't expect, but anything that tells
Speaker 4: you about the daily life, because like as an archaeologist,
Speaker 4: we are interested in people's culture and like how they
Speaker 4: spend their time. So absolutely, like whatever the captain has,
Speaker 4: whatever fine china he might have in his cabin, is neat.
Speaker 4: But when you find gambling dice on a ship, like
Speaker 4: a shipwreck from a period and a time that you
Speaker 4: know that gambling was prohibited, that's pretty neat too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, what about the Bermuda Triangle. I feel like it's
Speaker 3: not fair to Bermuda to be mostly associated with all
Speaker 3: this drama. What do you think about the Bermuda Triangle
Speaker 3: and all the ships that have disappeared there? Is it
Speaker 3: a magnetic force or is it aliens? Is it really dangerous?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I have theories.
Speaker 3: I like to entertain the idea of spookiness, so I
Speaker 3: read into it, and this terrifying thing that the area
Speaker 3: between Miami, Bermuda and Puerto Rico is a rerec magnet
Speaker 3: originated from nineteen fifty one Paranormal magazine. But experts say, nope,
Speaker 3: it's just a heavily trafficked shipping lane with the weather.
Speaker 3: It would be like saying a freeway interchange in a
Speaker 3: snowy city is haunted by space goblins. It's a fun
Speaker 3: way to live, but it's flim flam bella treesa. The
Speaker 3: first time question asker, do you entertain theories of the
Speaker 3: Bermuda Triangle or Atlantis or other fun nautical conspiracies.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, Atlantis, let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: I hate it.
Speaker 3: I love that, I hate it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Atlantis probably doesn't exist. And people like to say, like, oh,
Speaker 4: but every myth has some proof, so I have to
Speaker 4: stress Atlantis. There's one actual record of Atlantis existing, and
Speaker 4: it was from a Plato fable. So something that he
Speaker 4: openly admitted was like fiction. It's not like a recount
Speaker 4: of some war. It's like his fables were very well
Speaker 4: known to be fiction. They were supposed to be narratives
Speaker 4: that people could learn from, and so the whole theory
Speaker 4: was that this Poseidon worshiping city angered Poseidon somehow and
Speaker 4: was dashed, like destroyed and sent into the abyss. There's
Speaker 4: no mention in Plato's story of people actually living underwater,
Speaker 4: Like it's just not there. I'm sorry to anybody whose
Speaker 4: dreams I dashed.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's good. I think that this is
Speaker 3: necessary flim flam that needed debunking. So what is your
Speaker 3: favorite thing about maritime archaeology?
Speaker 4: So two things, I guess because I definitely love being
Speaker 4: around the sea and like even just getting to look
Speaker 4: at videos from like marine life, I pretty much am
Speaker 4: doing my dream that I had as a kid, So
Speaker 4: that is like the best thing ever. But then the
Speaker 4: other thing is getting to work with communities and giving
Speaker 4: back to them. Because I did get to sit with
Speaker 4: someone while they saw the shipwreck that their grandfather had
Speaker 4: died on, which was a submarine wreck, like for the
Speaker 4: first time, first time it's being seen in seventy five years,
Speaker 4: Like that is amazing. And getting to do skype a
Speaker 4: sign is like getting to actually make something accessible to
Speaker 4: people is probably the bestlogies.
Speaker 3: So ask aquatic experts great questions such as what are
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Speaker 3: than perfect. So better to do something when you can
Speaker 3: do it, then put it off hoping it'll be perfect,
Speaker 3: because done is better than perfect, So remember that next
Speaker 3: time you're intimidated by something.
Speaker 2: Okay, bye bye knowledge, its poligated alogy, knowlogilgies, knowledges,