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Speaker 1: Hudson River Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't turned down those jukeakes?

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Speaker 4: How does Sasa Jonnithan Diasberry jukes?

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Tom Chapin.

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Speaker 5: Hello, this is preaching in Rock and Roll History Show.

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Speaker 6: You're listening right now?

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Rock and Roll History

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Show on Hudson River Radio. I'm Brian Horowitz. Tonight we're

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talking about old stuff thanks to Mercedes, and of course

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I took a different interpretation than everybody else did. But

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you're just gonna have to sit and wait and see

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how that turns out. But before we hop in as always,

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allow me to introduce all the crambones who are joining

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us here tonight. First and foremost from the Richter Observatory.

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He has a fear of really tall people. It's called

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fee fi phobia.

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Speaker 4: E five four. How you doing, everybody?

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Speaker 2: And from paranormally yours, she figured out that pirates never

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finish the alphabet because they keep getting lost at sea. Gil.

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Speaker 3: I need to try to remember that one because I

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have a friend who's older.

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Speaker 4: He go as a pirate.

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Speaker 7: You need to center.

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Speaker 2: Well, that just opens up more questions, doesn't it. Yes,

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let's come back to that, all right, welcome back, and

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from the silver screen she saw a Buddhist walk into

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a bar until the bartender make me one with everything.

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Speaker 8: Mercedes here, Wow, that's a good one. Brian, Hey, everybody,

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very teep.

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Speaker 2: Brian, though right, we try to make you think around here.

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And our officially retired teacher, he wanted to try planting

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an apple tree, but he was nervous. He wasn't sure

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about it, so his wife told him to grow a pair.

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John Kelly is here.

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Speaker 9: Oh boy, ouch, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Everybody? At last, but not least, the host of shaving cream.

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She recently asked the toy store clerk where the Arnold

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Schwarzenegger action figures were. He said, I'll be back barbarveal.

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Speaker 3: Very good.

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Speaker 2: Brian, Hey, everybody, all right. So Mercedes came up with

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tonight's topic. I don't know how. It's just old. That

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was the one word to go on, was old.

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Speaker 4: Old.

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Speaker 2: So did something happen that kind of prompted that or.

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Speaker 8: There's no perspective none whatsoever. It just popped into my

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head and I was like, well, we haven't done that,

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so let's.

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Speaker 2: It's true we haven't done that. And yeah, so knowing

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what's coming. I don't know the stories. I know the

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tracks that everybody picked. Mineus so far the outlier for

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everybody that, yeah, bless you exactly we are.

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Speaker 8: We are all curious.

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Speaker 2: Well why don't we hop in? And this week, Neil,

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you're going to lead us off?

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Speaker 4: So it's age before beauty, right, Yes, indeed, And for

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this topic, no one here amongst the crambones is more

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qualified to speak on the subject of being old than

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I am myself. I am the septagenarian of the group

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that say that five times fast.

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Speaker 2: And you're the only one who uses s A T

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words in the whole group too.

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Speaker 4: Hey, it's the glorious results of a misspent youth. What

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can I say? Anyway? The song I picked is called

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The Old Man Down the Road by John Fogerty now

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John Cameron Fogerty born in nineteen forty five is an

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American musician, singer, and songwriter. Now Fogerty began his musical

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career way back in nineteen fifty nine. Now that's going

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that's old baby when he was a.

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Speaker 8: Junior and I remember it well.

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Speaker 4: Actually so do I. But anyway, his first band was

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in junior high school. It was a cover band that

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was inspired by the rock and roll pioneers, you know,

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Chuck Berry and all that. Elvis along with bassist Stu Cook,

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drummer Doug Clifford, and a little bit later on his

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brother Tom. So I think you can see where this

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might be going. They were originally called the Blue Velvets

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and they signed The band signed with Fantasy Records in

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nineteen sixty four. Now, unbeknownst the Blue Velvets, Fantasy Records

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changed their name to the Gollywogs against their better judgment

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or whatever. They recorded several singles that frankly were not

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all that successful, although they did have one called fight

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Fire that I've heard and I actually liked that. But

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that's neither here nor there. Because this, of course laid

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the groundwork, laid the foundation of what would become Creeden's

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Clearwater Revival, a band that lasted from nineteen sixty eight

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until nineteen seventy two. They would basically introduce what is

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known as swamp rock to the world. Would dominate the

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charts with ten top I'm sorry, nine Top ten singles

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and eight gold albums, and all of them with John

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Fogerty as lead singer, lead guitarist, and the primary songwriter.

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So moving along. After CCR parted ways in nineteen seventy two,

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moderate success, but he was pretty disillusioned with the whole

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music business. He was kind of beaten down by it.

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I think what I read. He wouldn't even perform CCR

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songs at concerts at that time.

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Speaker 4: Well we'll get to that in a minute. But after

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his hiatus of several years, he re emerged in nineteen

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eighty five with an album called center Field, and it

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went right to the top of the charts. The title

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track is frequently played on classic rock radio stations and

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at baseball games right to this day. The LP also

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included the critically acclaimed top ten hit The Old Man

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on the Road, which we'll hear a little bit shortly,

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and it also led to some big legal problems for Fogerty,

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which we will also talk about a little later. But first,

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why don't we hear the song?

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Speaker 10: You take um the problem the Mountains, You take a

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Langan problem scat, you bring a prong man to the bag,

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and you make the young mom crack.

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Speaker 6: You got the had it had You got the jump

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bare round.

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Speaker 7: You got the had.

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Speaker 9: The old man.

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Speaker 11: Down the road.

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Speaker 6: You got the voices beating riddles.

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Speaker 10: You got the hash black coat, you gotta foot tape coat,

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rasteak hat and staying right in the road.

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Speaker 6: You got the had it hat.

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Speaker 9: You got to jump up the way.

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Speaker 6: You got the hid it hide it half.

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Speaker 9: The old man.

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Speaker 6: Down row.

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Speaker 10: Stemaker rim call you love, you make the barget of

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the happen.

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Speaker 9: Put a shed up.

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Speaker 10: Across the window when the old man comes around.

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Speaker 11: You got the half of half.

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Speaker 6: You got the jump bare round you, you got the

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hid hide it half the old man. It's down a roup,

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the old man, it's down a rough.

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Speaker 4: That's an awesome song. I think it's cool now. Lyrically Lyrically,

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the song depicts a mysterious kind of supernatural figure or

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wizard or sorcerer or something like that who commands the

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forces of nature and strikes fear into the hearts of

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men with an almost demonic presence, kind of like a

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voodoo hoodoo that they do do so well, that kind

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of thing. But the lyrics are also analogous to kind

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of the ugly side of the music industry that Fogerty

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had been experiencing firsthand when he was with to See

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Records and its owner of Saul's Ants. Now, how do

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we get into this story?

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Speaker 2: Which story you got?

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Speaker 4: No, no, well basically, well, let me go, let me

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go back a little ways. That back when CCR broke up,

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Fogerty had to give up his copyrights and publishing rights

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for all the credence songs that he wrote to Saul's Ants,

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the president of Fantasy Records and Fancay Records themselves, in

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order to be released from his contract, which sounds like

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a pretty hefty price to pay. I mean, but you

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gotta do what you gotta do. So anyway, he lets

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you know, releases Old Man down the road and finds

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himself getting sued for plagiarism by pall z Ants and

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Fantasy Records. Accused of plagiarism for sounding like himself. How

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does that? How does that happen? Well, as I say that,

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I mean it's it's a pretty underhanded thing if you

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ask me for you know, but this is the music business.

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People they are not they are not good people. They

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are not nice people, not musicians. That's another story. But

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I'm talking about the suits. So yeah, he gets sued

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for ripping off himself. Basically the song was run through

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the Jungle that Fogerty had written for CCR many years before,

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and they said, no, it's just like that. But ultimately,

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ultimately Fogerty did prevail in the Landmark case and proved

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the two songs were distinctly different compositions by actually playing

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them on his guitar in court on the witness stand, which.

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Speaker 2: I think is I never get a jury duty for that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, for that, that would be the best concert ever.

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But and well, by the way, Yeah, Fogerty also wrote

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a couple of other songs directed directed towards Zance, which

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for defamation or something he was going to be so yeah,

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it was it caused a little bit of a problem.

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Speaker 2: But Zance Can't Dance was the track on there. Yeah,

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dance can't dance. But he'll steal your money watch them,

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or he'll rob you blind. And so I know he's

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threatened another lawsuit, so they chang instead of Zance it

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was Vance Can't Dance. But the video for that is

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a pig that's literally robbing the singer in the video.

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So yeah, there there was no ambiguity in that whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was another one called mister Greed. I think

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that was obviously maybe a little less uh, you know,

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it didn't mention him by name. But yeah, But anyway,

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aside from all that, in my opinion, the old Man

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down the Road is also a metaphor kind of for

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what's waiting for us all at the end of the line,

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at the end of the road. And I'm talking about

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you know, the grim Reaper missed the death that we

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all have to come down the end of the road

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and meet eventually. But on a lighter note CCR. They

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were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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back in nineteen ninety three. Fogerty was placed on the

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Rolling Stone magazine's list of the one hundred Greatest Songwriters,

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landing at number forty, and on its list of the

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one hundred greatest singers of all time, and that would

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be number seventy two for him. He was also inducted

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into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in two thousand and five. Now,

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believe it or not, and I full transparency here, I

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never saw Creeden's Clearwater Revival perform live in concert. It

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was well, they broke up in seventy two. I was

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going to stuff, but I don't even remember them playing

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anywhere particularly that was accessible to a sixteen or fifteen

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year old at the time. But I am going to

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see John Fogerty this fall, possibly twice, so I can

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make up for that. And back in two thousand and

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eight at the south By Southwest Festival in Austin, Texas,

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I actually got to sit and eat dinner at a

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restaurant with Creden's Clearwater Revival's bass player Stu Cook, who

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we've gelled as those all sorts of tales of you know,

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how much how.

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Speaker 2: Much dislike there is amongst Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that, And he was also with Doug Clifford. They

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had a group called I don't know, they may still

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be doing it Creden's clear Water Revisited, and they were

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doing that at the time, which apparently I didn't. I

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didn't see them, but apparently all I heard was good

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things that they almost sounded better than the originals. But

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I can't, I can't.

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Speaker 2: I think there were issue legal issues with the name too.

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I think they tried to take Creeden's clear Water Revival,

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and then that turned into a mess, so they wound

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up renaming the group.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I remember I was somewhere and they were in

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the area, but I didn't get to see them. I know,

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it was just not feasible. Anyway, That's that's my story

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for today. And now go see a concert.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you and I are going to be

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at the same show, at least one of them.

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Speaker 4: Uh huh, that's right. Yet at the site of Woodstock itself,

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the original festival in dethel Yep will be there, which

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they played at, and we're kind of overshadowed or undershadowed

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by the Grateful Dead, who took more time tuning their

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guitars than they did actually playing. Yeah, and by the

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time Creden's came on, if I'm not mistaken, it was

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like way you know, everyone in the morning, Yeah yeah,

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everyone had fallen asleep.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well he puts on a great show. His

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two sons are in the band, you know, they each

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play guitar and all that, So definitely worth going to

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see him.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to it. Like I said, I never

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saw him, so this is this will be a first

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for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's eighty now, I believe right.

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Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, if he was born forty five. Yeah, so

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he hated a birthday last year and all that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely a good show.

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Speaker 4: I'm catching up to him, but not not quite.

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Speaker 2: And the video for the Old Man down the Road

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is definitely eighties but it's worth watching. It was simple

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but kind of creative. It follows a guitar cable everywhere

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through the woods, down the road, blah blah blah, and

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it just snakes all over the place. And of course

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at the end of the cable is John playing and singing.

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Speaker 4: So he appears in it a few times as you

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travel through the you know, in different not disguises, but

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different different guys. Is I guess it's good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fun, excellent. All right, you got a thumbs up

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for me so far one of my favorites, so works

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for me. Good lead off, all right, thanks Neil, Gail.

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We're up to you.

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Speaker 4: You know me.

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Speaker 3: I'm always looking for something a little different. I didn't

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want to just pick, you know, anything too well known,

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although some of the people in this group might know

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some of these people's work. The band I chose is

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Bowling for Soup. Yes, did you, Barbara, didn't you do

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a Bowling for Soup song once.

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Speaker 6: On a while back?

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Speaker 13: But I don't remember which one I picked because I

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love them all.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I did one on this show also yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I knew somebody. Yeah yeah yeah. So apparently they

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are commonly abbreviated to BFS and they're an American rock band.

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Formed in Wichita Falls, Texas, in nineteen ninety four. They've

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had various member changes over the years, between people going

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to do solo projects and people having health issues, and

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it all ended up where following the lead guitarist, Chris

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Bernie's retirement in twenty twenty five, Jarrett Reddick is the

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only remaining original member now. Before they were Bowling for Soup,

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they were a band called Rubberneck, but they decided in

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nineteen ninety three to change the name of their group

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to Bowling for Soup, which was derived from the phrase

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bowling for and it's a word that begins with S

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but is poop from a comedy act by Steve Martin.

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And in nineteen ninety six, Bowling for Soup relocated to Denton, Texas.

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They have done some work with the Dolly Ruts. September

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eighth of ninety No September twenty fifth, twenty twelve, they

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released a split album with The Dolly Ruts and Patent

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Pending called One Big Happy, where the bands performed covers

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of each other's songs. Those three bands went on tour

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of the same name that year. In October twenty twenty.

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Bowling for Soup had planned and announced a Surf the

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UK tour in twenty twenty one with Litt and The

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Dolly Rots, but they were forced to cancel due to

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why what happened in twenty twenty COVID. It had to

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be rescheduled, and it got rescheduled to April of twenty

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twenty two. Now, the song I chose.

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Speaker 2: Is from.

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Speaker 3: Well, the song itself is getting old sucks, but everybody's

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doing it, which that's true in it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know I'm getting older. I'm kind of liking it.

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Speaker 4: You know, as the older you get, the more you

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like it too, because from what I'm told, it beats

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the alternative.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, when you're.

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Speaker 4: Young, you say, oh, I don't want to get old.

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I don't want to get old, and suddenly it's like,

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wait a minute, this doesn't sound like actually a bad idea.

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I think I'll keep signing up for this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's better than not getting old. So getting

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old sucks, but everybody's doing it. Is a catchy pop

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punk song I Didn't know that was a thing? Pop

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Punk released as a single on May seventh, twenty twenty one,

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and later featured on their twenty twenty two studio album

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Pop Drunk Snot Bread Now. The name of that album

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was a riff on uh, pop Punk's not dead.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha? Okay, that was a long walk, but I got

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you there.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 14: You may think it's funny, but it's not.

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Speaker 3: The song itself pokes fun at the physical and cultural

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realities of aging, such as going to bed early, guilty,

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hurting knees, got one, and not understanding TikTok. While I

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deal with is Facebook, I don't have the energy to

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deal with anything else. Also, the themes are complaining about

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loud cars, fading tattoos, early bedtimes, asking what's TikTok, and

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dealing with modern media and realizing that while aging hurts,

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everyone goes through it together. So let's have a listen.

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Speaker 15: He grew up three blocks away the same old neighborhood

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to do much time on is one, then there's no

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football on.

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Speaker 12: Where did the time go?

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Speaker 6: What's that on his face?

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Speaker 7: So we thought we live forever out of thing? We're

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up to that.

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Speaker 6: By nine?

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Speaker 7: Well, then the streets sound we come playing. When cons try,

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he said, saying the music is insanely love turn.

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Speaker 6: To No Wady and looking back, it was all worth it.

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Speaker 16: The truth is getting all suss, but everybody's doing it.

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Speaker 6: We were t on the Saint John.

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Speaker 15: We changed the same girls, we played in, all the

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same beads, each other's bestest.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 7: You had a heart attack.

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Speaker 6: I've got too bunnies.

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Speaker 7: We don't want to live forever? What the fuck is

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tip to child checkers.

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Speaker 15: In the streets, how we complained when cons try to say,

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saying the music is insanely not crazed, and looking.

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Speaker 9: Back it was all worthy.

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Speaker 6: The truth is getting all subs good. Everybody's doing it.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 7: I don't think we.

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Speaker 15: Can do bridges anymore.

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Speaker 6: We need a break.

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Speaker 16: Sounds like words original in here and old Milwaukee and Folgers.

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Speaker 12: For those new ballads, we.

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Speaker 7: Have to run with them the streets.

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Speaker 15: Now we complain when const she says him the music

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and anything.

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Speaker 7: Now the smoothies our car shots and remakes and ship

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down when we playing on music to our memories away

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and looking that she was all worth it, all worth

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the true is getting all sucks.

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Speaker 14: But everybody's doing it.

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Speaker 8: Everybody's doing it.

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Speaker 3: Everything that almost sounds like it could be a theme

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song for like a sitcom.

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Speaker 4: Totally definitely yeah, you know, yeah, growing old but doing

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it right reminds me of the phrase, you know, growing

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old disgracefully.

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Speaker 2: Didn't they do a theme for a was it a

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Nickelodeon show?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 3: So, Ricking No, rick and Morning.

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Speaker 2: No, Now it was a kids show. I know they

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did a theme for a kids show. I have to

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look it up. I don't remember which one.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I had never heard this song before I

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did the research for tonight's show. The album charted and

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this I don't know. I don't know if it didn't

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chart over here or what, but this is just the

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UK figures. UK album sales peak position was eighty. UK

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album downloads official charts peaked at twenty seven. UK independent

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albums official charts peaked at thirty seven, UK physical albums

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peaked at seventy three, and UK Rock and Metal Albums

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official charts peaked at number thirteen.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Their musical style has been described as pop punk, pop rock,

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alternative rock, and power pop. Wow, that's kind of a variety.

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AllMusic describes Bowling for Soups style as a feverishly catchy

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and humorous blend of power pop, ska punk, and hardcore,

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further characterizing it as a cheeky take on pop punk

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and melodic alt pop. Bowling for Soups influences include Green Day, Bad, Religion, Ramones, NFX,

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I have no idea who that is, descendants Elvis Costello

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and Willie Nelson.

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Speaker 2: Willie's the og.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think you might have something to do

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with habit ah, just one just guessing, you know.

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Speaker 3: Ultimate Guitar Senior editor David Slavkovich named Bowling for Soup

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the fifteenth weirdest band name of all time, highlighting a

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quote from one of the site's users who asked, are

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they bowling to obtain soup? Or are they bowling in

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the name of soup?

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Speaker 2: Too?

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Speaker 4: Deep?

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Speaker 3: Valid question, Yeah, very philosophical.

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Speaker 13: So they actually the theme song that we're thinking of

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is Phineas and Ferb and It's cold today is going

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to be a great day.

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Speaker 3: Yep ah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Disney, not Nickelodeon, Disney Disney yep. Actually

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does Disney own them yet?

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Speaker 4: I know? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows?

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Speaker 3: Well, considering since Disney owns the Star Wars, uh everything. Now,

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that makes Princess Leah a Disney princess.

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Speaker 2: You may have heard they bought you know, a lot

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of the Fox Yeah TV shows and all that, including

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mash So Corporal, And I.

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Speaker 14: Think that would make him very happy.

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Speaker 9: I really do.

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Speaker 2: Section eight all the way.

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Speaker 14: Ye, pibity bobbity boo.

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Speaker 17: Wasn't he the only one that actually served in the

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Korean War on that cast?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a veteran. Yeah. Interesting, All right, well done,

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I don't want to step on you if you're Yeah,

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that's a good one. That was cute. I like that one.

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I hadn't heard that one either. All right, we're gonna

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take a real quick break and then uh we'll be

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back with more.

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and find you and welcome back. We're talking about old

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stuff and mercedes, it's your turn, it is my turn.

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Speaker 9: I am up.

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Speaker 8: I was the one that picked this and when I

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picked the topic, I had no idea what I was

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going to pick for this song.

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Speaker 2: It was just vague enough that it could go in

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so many directions and that's great.

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Speaker 4: I love that. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So when I actually thought about this topic, my immediate

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thought was Aquilung. And I know it's a song that

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like everybody knows, so it's a little cliche, but it

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absolutely fits for me. It is a song that really

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personifies an aging, old homeless man for me. The lyrics

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are very vivid and detailed. I mean immediately when you

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hear the opening lines, sitting on a park bench eyeing

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little girls with bad intents, not running down his nose,

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creasy fingers, smearing shabby clothes, you get a very descriptively

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clear picture of where you are and who the person

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is that you're observing.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: It was written by Ian Anderson of the bandje Throtel

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and his then wife Jenny Franks. Anderson has said, and

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apparently she wrote those first two lines that I just recited.

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And Anderson has said Aqualung wasn't a concept album, although

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a lot of people thought so. The idea came from

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a photograph that my wife at the time took of

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a tramp in London. I had feelings of guilt about

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the homeless, as well as fear and insecurity with people

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like that who seem a little scary, and I suppose oh,

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that was combined with a slightly romanticized picture of the

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person who is a homeless but yet a free spirit,

475
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,359
who either won't or can't join in society's prescribed formats.

476
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:49,400
Although the album is not a concept album, it is

477
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:53,319
interesting to me that the Aquelon character is mentioned again

478
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,920
in another song on the album, Cross Eyed Mary, which

479
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,480
gives you an insight on the kind of person that

480
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:06,599
she is. Aqualung is on the album called Aqualung, released

481
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,840
in nineteen seventy one and never released as a single

482
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,199
because of its length six minutes and thirty four seconds.

483
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,599
At the time, there was a very clear divide between

484
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,400
AM and FM radio stations. AM played three minute pop

485
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:25,679
hits while FM played deep cuts. The album was Jethro

486
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,559
Tell's first American top ten album and reached number seven

487
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,559
in June of nineteen seventy one. The members are Ian Anderson,

488
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:40,760
David Goodear, John O'Hara, Scott Hammond, and Jack Clark, with

489
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:48,079
many more past members the Watercolor album. The Watercolor Album

490
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,239
cover art was created by the artist Burton Silverman. Jethro

491
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,000
Tell's manager, Terry Ellis, commissioned him after seeing his work

492
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,960
in Time magazine. Burton took some photos of Ian Anderson

493
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:04,480
wearing his old overcoat before he painted the cover, and

494
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,800
the resulting work looked a lot like a haggard version

495
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,400
of Ian, who was not pleased with the painting. Despite

496
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,599
his objections, the cover became, of course, an iconic image

497
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:22,239
in rock. The effect that you this is fascinating to me.

498
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,440
The fact that you hear when the song hits the

499
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:30,559
line sun Streaking Cold is called telephone burbles. Has anybody

500
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:35,559
heard of that hope where you remove all frequencies except

501
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,480
for a narrow band around the one thousand hertz mark.

502
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:42,119
This is to reproduce the sound of a telephone. Anderson

503
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,719
is quoted as saying, it's also like when you're a

504
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,880
dressing a crowd through a megaphone, or even perhaps the

505
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,840
tiny sound of a voice trumpet, which is a non

506
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,679
active megaphone. It's a form of address. It's a sound

507
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,519
that woke up young pilots in nineteen forty one and

508
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,920
sent them into the skies to battle the the hun

509
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,400
This is the sound of the Tonoi, the calling to

510
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,239
arms of young men going up in their hurricanes and spitfires.

511
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,480
It's something that's very much part of the blood of

512
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:13,280
an Englishman.

513
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:19,159
Speaker 3: Tony is what they call like a public good arrest system.

514
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,119
Speaker 8: Ah, thank you, I did not look that up. So

515
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,159
let's hear it and know we are not playing the

516
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,800
six minute version. You can thank me later.

517
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,599
Speaker 2: No, okay, really, we'll just fade it out at some

518
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:35,119
point then.

519
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 8: I guess I did send you the radio edit.

520
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: All right, Let's see how it goes.

521
00:36:46,440 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 5: Stung spunding down his nose, raising big.

522
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 6: Spirit, shabby flood.

523
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:19,639
Speaker 12: Hailove, crying in the full sun, watching over greeny pad

524
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:29,360
is love Love, feeling like a dead dock.

525
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 9: Smith out lobby, the.

526
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:39,079
Speaker 7: Love Manlove.

527
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:49,519
Speaker 18: Sunstreak and cold, a hold man mon drink lovely taking

528
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,960
time the only way.

529
00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,159
Speaker 9: Mad.

530
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 19: As it bends to pick Duggan, it goes down to

531
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:21,039
the bark and warns his feet feeling alone. The army

532
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:22,880
is up park road.

533
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:36,039
Speaker 12: Solihlam boat and a club teeth equal longer, friend, don't

534
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,880
just start away, leasing.

535
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 9: Your poor old sort.

536
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 6: You see it's only me. Do you still remember when.

537
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,519
Speaker 12: Decembers fucking freeze, when the ice the krings.

538
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 6: Onto your fill w a sqeak, make agony, making a

539
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,360
sat rattle.

540
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,519
Speaker 20: The glass threats with deep sea diam sounds, and the flowers.

541
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 7: Fill night lamps and the screaming.

542
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 11: Sunscreaming cold.

543
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:24,599
Speaker 6: An old man wanderloaded, taking time the only way heloads.

544
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 12: Leg turning bad events a pair to tucket. It goes

545
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:41,079
down to the bark and walk his feeling at home.

546
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:48,559
The army und salvation had bad covert.

547
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,159
Speaker 6: Aqualung.

548
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,559
Speaker 12: My friends, don't just got away unathing your brown son,

549
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,440
you see it.

550
00:39:57,599 --> 00:41:35,039
Speaker 21: Turn back along, my friend, don't just start away uneasy,

551
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,880
your poor old summat your seats.

552
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 9: Sitting on the monk bench.

553
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 14: I met the girls with fading heads.

554
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 20: And stop spuning down his nose, reasying a smearing, shabby.

555
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 12: Headlong trying in the full.

556
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,119
Speaker 9: Sun what tring have a brady pan?

557
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 6: Is long.

558
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 12: Headlong feeling like a dead duck, spending out cases of

559
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,880
his brow long.

560
00:42:47,480 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 8: Hackld Brian, thank you for playing the whole time. It's

561
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,360
so good, though it's so good. I really do get

562
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,400
lost in that song. So I don't think I have

563
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,800
to say much more about the band. They are John's

564
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,480
favorite band and he's done many of the songs. But

565
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,079
I do want to add that an aqualung is a

566
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,639
portable breathing machine, which Anderson had seen on the TV

567
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,760
show Sea Hunt, where there was a lot of heavy

568
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,960
underwater breathing. Anderson thought that. Anderson thought that's how people

569
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:44,880
might refer to this character in the song because of

570
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,360
his heavy breathing from being unhealthy. He didn't know that

571
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,599
it was a brand name, and the company Aqualunge sued

572
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,320
after the album came out. The case was eventually dropped.

573
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,920
I looked up a few of the terms that I

574
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:06,079
had never understood. So a dog end is a cigarette butt,

575
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:09,639
not what you always thought.

576
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:12,599
Speaker 2: Is that a British thing? A dog?

577
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 8: Not that I know, but maybe it's an old British thing.

578
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:16,599
I don't know.

579
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: It isn't It isn't the bad end of a dog,

580
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:21,320
you know?

581
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 12: You know?

582
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 9: No?

583
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: No, yeah, it's a cigarette yeah.

584
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 8: And going down to the bog to warm his feet

585
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:36,079
is probably about peeing on his shoes to warm his feet.

586
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,599
That's from a comment on song facts, so that's not verified, but.

587
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: That seems counterproductive in the long run.

588
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,199
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, But you never know what you're going

589
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,639
to do in a pinch either, so who knows. There's

590
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,760
a lot of comments about Aqualunge being a pedophile, which

591
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,360
some people say that it is actually the impression of

592
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,800
the people walking by him, not necessarily what he is.

593
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:09,119
So people are just assuming all kinds of things about

594
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,599
him as they see him sitting on the park bench.

595
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,880
Whether he is really all those things or maybe happy,

596
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,719
we don't know. Also, there was a comment on song

597
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:26,199
song what did I say? Song Facts from Jenny Franks

598
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,079
from Colorado saying this is all wrong. I was married

599
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:33,159
to Ian Anderson and I wrote the lyrics. Unfortunately, it

600
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,840
seems I'm being edged out of my credit. I'm going

601
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,480
to assume that that was his actual wife, but it's

602
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:42,360
hard to tell what she was referring to exactly the

603
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,360
way the comments landed. Oh and there is an official

604
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,320
video of the song that was released in Anybody No.

605
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:54,679
Twenty twenty one?

606
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: Wow really twenty twenty one?

607
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 9: Yeah?

608
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, free time during.

609
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 8: COVID huh I guess yeah, I mean, who knew? I

610
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,960
thought that was super interesting. I did watch it.

611
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:12,199
Speaker 14: It was it was good. It wasn't great, but.

612
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 8: That's aquaalum.

613
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,679
Speaker 4: All right. Well, I think that that opening riff that dead.

614
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:25,840
That that is like as iconic as like you as Beethoven.

615
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: M it's you know what it is the moment you

616
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:30,559
hear it.

617
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, Neil do knew anything about

618
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,760
the story about when they were in the studio and

619
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,519
they were recording it and they came to the riff

620
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,440
and apparently in those days you had to get a

621
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:52,159
riff sort of on first take. And oh my gosh,

622
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,599
now I can't remember what the other band was that

623
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,760
it was in the studio next to them, and they

624
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,960
came out somebody like really huge and they came out

625
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,079
out in there. They were like waving to the guitar

626
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:07,400
player is he was trying to lay down these tracks

627
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,480
and he was very stressed out. I didn't hear that one,

628
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,239
but I'm going to have to look up who it was.

629
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 14: But but it worked.

630
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 8: The riff is great.

631
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: I love that. Yeah. No, if I say that that,

632
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,440
you know, one hundred years from now people are going

633
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:28,079
to hear that and know what it is. Yeah, that's

634
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:31,239
what I think exactly the same thing with maybe like

635
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:39,519
the opening chords to uh Purple Haze by Yeah, yeah,

636
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:42,920
you know you can name that song in one you know,

637
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:43,679
one note.

638
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:50,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good one. All right, thank you, Mercedes, John,

639
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:56,599
You're up okay. Well, as Mercedes pointed out, jeth Rotell

640
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,800
certainly is just about my favorite band, but I also

641
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,440
have another favorite, and it's a decidedly different form of music,

642
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,920
Harry Chapin and his folk rock, and I have been

643
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,760
I've loved that man's story songs my entire life, you know,

644
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,800
ever since I was a kid. I remember having vinyl

645
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,039
with Harry Chapin on it, and you know, and it's

646
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:24,159
I don't know, it's just.

647
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:24,599
Speaker 11: Take to it.

648
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 17: And there's a lot of selections there. You know, this

649
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,360
is a great topic. It's an interesting topic. What's interesting

650
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,440
is you can go in so many different ways, the

651
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,519
way Mercedes went, you know, the way Neil had gone

652
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:38,360
and everybody. It's just so many different directions. My direction

653
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,199
was Cat's in the Cradle. Now everybody knows Cat's in

654
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,159
the Cradle. I know that, But a couple of little

655
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:47,599
bit interesting points about it.

656
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: It is from the.

657
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:54,519
Speaker 17: Album Verities and Bouldered ash from nineteen seventy four, when

658
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,280
Harry Chapin was about thirty one years of age, So

659
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,119
we're talking.

660
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,119
Speaker 2: About age and growing old.

661
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 17: When he wrote this, he was thirty one, so I

662
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,199
think in a lot of ways, I think he's a

663
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,639
very old soul. You know, you could see a young

664
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,639
child sometimes and you can say they have a very

665
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,760
old soul. I really think Shapin had an old soul

666
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,480
if you go back to some of those original cuts

667
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:23,360
that he had done, and it just it just as

668
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,559
a certain sophistication to the songs themselves. The song itself

669
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:29,800
cats in the Cradle. It's narrated by a guy who

670
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,920
becomes a father. He's constantly too busy with his work

671
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,679
to spend time with his son, despite his son looking

672
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,199
up to him and promising he will grow up to

673
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,639
be just like him, and when the son graduates from college,

674
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,320
he declines his father's offer to relax with him and

675
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,000
instead ask for the car keys. In the final stanza,

676
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:53,039
the now retired father calls his adult son and asks

677
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:55,719
to spend some time together, but the son is now

678
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,519
too busy with his own work and family time. Obviously,

679
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,679
the son had grown up just like his old man.

680
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:05,480
So the song itself, I think is about the full

681
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:09,800
circle of life, you know. And I think no matter

682
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,000
what kind of past somebody might have, whether it's with family,

683
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:18,280
whether it's whatever it happens to be, life always seems

684
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,320
to have these these circles, as I think Harry Chapman

685
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,039
would say, So, why don't we play the song and

686
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:24,800
we'll talk a little bit.

687
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 9: After the child arrived.

688
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 22: Just the other day he came to the world and LEU,

689
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,199
you were way, but there were planes to catch and

690
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,199
bills to pay. He learned to walk while I was away,

691
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,119
and he was talking for and doing, and as.

692
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 23: He grew he'd say, I'm gonna be like you. And

693
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,719
you know, I'm gonna be like you and the cats

694
00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:01,639
and the man when you're coming.

695
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,199
Speaker 6: Home that or don't don't win?

696
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:05,199
Speaker 9: Who will get together there?

697
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 6: You know, we'll have a good time.

698
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 9: Man. My son turned in just the other day.

699
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 6: He said, thanks for the ball that tomorrow let's play.

700
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 9: Can you give me the throw?

701
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,599
Speaker 6: I said, or not today, I got a lot to do.

702
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,400
He said, that's okay.

703
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,679
Speaker 14: Then you want a way boy smile never tim and.

704
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 9: Said I'm gonna be like him.

705
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I'm gonna be like him and the

706
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,239
cats in the brail and the.

707
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:48,159
Speaker 2: Seas little ball with the man on the ball when.

708
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,559
Speaker 6: You're coming home that or don't don't win.

709
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 9: Will get together there? You know we'll have a good time.

710
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 6: Then.

711
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 4: Well it came from.

712
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:09,519
Speaker 12: Gollege just the other day, so much like a man

713
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:12,199
I just can't to say his son, am brown of you?

714
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 6: And you said for a while. He shook his.

715
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: Head and he said, with a smile.

716
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,639
Speaker 12: What I feeling like, Dad, is the power of the

717
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,840
car keys, see you laid again, have them breathe, and

718
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:25,719
the cats in.

719
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 14: The braider and the silverspoon, little boy, and the man

720
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:30,599
of the bone.

721
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 6: When you're coming home.

722
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,639
Speaker 12: Son, I don't know when we will get together there,

723
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,639
and you know we'll have a good time.

724
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 6: Then.

725
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 9: I've long since your time.

726
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,159
Speaker 6: My son has moved away. Call him up just the

727
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,639
other day. I said, I'd like to see you if

728
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:06,559
you don't mind. He said, I'd love to.

729
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,519
Speaker 9: Dad, if I can find the day you've seen. My

730
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:13,000
new jobs are hassled and the kids of the flood.

731
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 23: But it's your nice talking to you that if mature

732
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:18,159
nice talking to you.

733
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 8: And as a hung up the phone, it occurred to me.

734
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 9: He grown up just like me.

735
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,639
Speaker 6: My boy was just like me. And the Cats in

736
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,880
the Cradle and soon the little.

737
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 9: Warclue and a man on when you're coming home son.

738
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,599
I don't know, man, but we'll get together there that

739
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:56,719
we're gonna have a good time there, Okay.

740
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,599
Speaker 17: Cats in the Cradle from Veriteth and Balderdash teen seventy

741
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,280
four Harry Chapin, as we said, it was thirty one

742
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:07,000
when he wrote this particular song. A couple of interesting

743
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:11,280
facts about the song. The chorus itself references a children's

744
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,519
game called Cat's Cradle, silver Spoons and silver spoons Excuse

745
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:18,239
me as traditional baby gifts, as well as the nursery

746
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,719
rhymes little Boy Blue and the Man in the Moon,

747
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:24,559
and part of the beginning of the song was influenced

748
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:29,000
by Chapin's wife, Sandra, in a poem she wrote. Another

749
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:33,280
interesting point, Chapin himself is quoted as saying the song

750
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,719
was about his own relate. This song was actually about

751
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,920
his own relationship with his son Josh, and frankly it

752
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:43,960
scares him to death. So interesting points there. So it's

753
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,559
that whole first full circle of life that comes with

754
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:51,719
growing old. Sadly, Harry Chapin did not grow old, as

755
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,440
we know, at the age of thirty eight, in nineteen

756
00:54:56,519 --> 00:55:00,599
eighty one, he was in a violent automobile accident on

757
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:05,280
the Long Island Expressway in a New York state and

758
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,920
where he was heading westbound on the highway, and he

759
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,079
was in a rather bad accident with a truck and

760
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,639
was flown to Nassau County Medical Center in East Meadow,

761
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,119
New York, where he passed away. What I have always

762
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:23,760
found chilling and eerie about this story and the fact

763
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,960
that I've always loved his music, was in nineteen ninety five,

764
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,519
when I was twenty six, fourteen years after Harry Chapin,

765
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,360
I was also on the Long Island Expressway in the

766
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:37,480
very same stretch of roadway, in the same direction as

767
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,920
Harry Chapin. I was also in a violent accident. I

768
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:43,719
was also flown to Nasau County Medical Center by a

769
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,480
police helicopter, And I of course am here to talk

770
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,760
about it, and Harry Chapin is not. And I always

771
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,920
find that kind of eerie. So whenever I hear his

772
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:57,559
music that it just comes to mind, it really comes

773
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:57,920
to mind.

774
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 2: But sorry to be a real buzz killed everybody, but

775
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,760
it's just no more going along island. That's the end

776
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,679
of this. So I will say this this song is

777
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,519
about being old, or the topic of old and or

778
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,159
to get a ride in a helicopter.

779
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 17: Yeah, but it was all about the full circle of

780
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,920
life in Cats in the Cradle. So that is my

781
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:22,320
selection for this evening.

782
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, if it's If it is any consolation, there

783
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,840
is a hard rock version of the song that came

784
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,400
out in like ninety two by a band called Ugly

785
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:35,039
Kid Joe. So I mean it's this same message, I suppose,

786
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,559
but at least it's a little more you know, a

787
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:43,440
little more upbeat musically, but lyrically same, don't.

788
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 17: I'll make it up on the next show. I'll pick

789
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,960
out something that's just I don't know, happy, fastly, happy,

790
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,719
different whatever. I'm sorry, Mercedes, I stepped.

791
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 2: On you there.

792
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:52,639
Speaker 14: That's okay.

793
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 8: I was just going to say I actually met him

794
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:58,960
at a convention, like a national music convention for.

795
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 17: Like, what was he like?

796
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:04,159
Speaker 3: Oh, he was great, he was great.

797
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,079
Speaker 8: He was actually sitting on the dais behind me, so

798
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,880
we sat through dinner together. But you know, I didn't

799
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,719
really get my nerve up to turn around and like

800
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:20,679
like I was younger then, Okay, today would be different.

801
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, you've you've changed your way, I've changed.

802
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,199
Speaker 8: But I did turn around finally and start talking to

803
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,519
him because I had to. I mean, he's behind me

804
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,840
on the dais are you kidding me? So I actually

805
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,760
I got his autograph, and which I was not going

806
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,559
to do because how tacky is that? But I did

807
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:46,400
it anyway, And yeah, he was really nice. He was

808
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:50,719
very sweet. I mean, his brother is sorry. His brother

809
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,920
is Tom Chapin, who lives in Piemont. And Tom is amazing.

810
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:59,039
He's amazing. I just love him so much. And his

811
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:00,000
wife is amazing.

812
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,519
Speaker 17: So my uncle actually met him trying to sneak out

813
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,199
at the end of a show one night. My uncle

814
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:08,320
was a police officer in New York City and he

815
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:12,239
he was kind of in the back area, you know,

816
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,920
kind of guarding the back of the stage area, I guess,

817
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:16,920
and he actually caught shape and trying to climb a

818
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000
fence to get to his car.

819
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,599
Speaker 8: To leave Witch Chapin Harry, Oh, okay, yes.

820
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,079
Speaker 17: I'm sorry, not Tom but Harry, Yes, Harry Chapin. But yeah,

821
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:28,639
And in case anyone was wondering, another little piece of Trivia.

822
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:31,800
The car he was driving was a nineteen seventy five

823
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:37,360
Volkswagen Rabbit, and his wife got twelve million dollars in

824
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,880
a lawsuit against the company of the for the the

825
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,320
company that owned the truck that hit him.

826
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 8: Wow, yeah, Can I Can I just go back to

827
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:50,920
my topic for a second, please do.

828
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 9: So.

829
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 8: It was Jimmy Page in the next studio from obviously

830
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,840
from Led Zeppelin, and he was at the control room window,

831
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:03,559
and he was waving to him to say hi, and

832
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:05,199
he was waving madly at Barr.

833
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: That would be a little intimidating, I would say, yeah.

834
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,559
Speaker 8: So Barr was in the middle of recording his icond

835
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:16,039
of improvised guitar solo and simply turned his back to

836
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:16,719
keep playing.

837
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,639
Speaker 4: Martin is no slouch young guitar either, let's you know.

838
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,039
So I don't think I don't think he'd have anything

839
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:25,199
to be embarrassed about.

840
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,519
Speaker 2: But no, it's just nerds to get you. You know,

841
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:30,639
you're all balanced now something like that.

842
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:36,199
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I well, And at that point Jimmy

843
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:39,719
Page was actually established. He had been with the with

844
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,280
the Yardbirds, and Martin had just pretty much joined a

845
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,639
couple of years earlier. He was not the original Told guitarist,

846
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,239
but he was the longest standing and you know most

847
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:55,840
you know, he is the Jethro Tolds guitar player, let's

848
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,400
put it that way. But yeah, I could see him

849
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,519
being a little bit little rat.

850
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,199
Speaker 17: I saw a Tall at all enduring a thunder and

851
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,920
lightning storm at the Saratoga Performing Arts Center in upstate

852
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,719
New York, and it was like one of the best

853
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:10,679
shows I've ever been in my life because it was

854
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,920
a pretty violent storm with wind and rain and thunder,

855
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,239
and you know, that's an outdoor venue and they didn't

856
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:19,360
stop the show and he just played right right through

857
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,039
the lightning strike. It was just incredible, absolutely incredible.

858
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think there's a few groups I've seen,

859
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:28,000
like more than I can count, and obviously it would

860
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:31,639
be The Ramones, the Rolling Stones, the Who, and probably

861
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,800
Jethro Tall. And the first time I saw Jethrow Tall,

862
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,440
they didn't play acalone, no, because.

863
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:41,079
Speaker 9: I didn't see them.

864
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 8: It's their most played song in concert after.

865
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:50,159
Speaker 4: Locomotive Breath, and they didn't play that either.

866
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: You know why they They hadn't been written, written, It.

867
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,239
Speaker 4: Was nineteen seventy. They hadn't.

868
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: Happen Okay, you got us there, Neil, So Marvin Barry

869
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:10,360
wasn't backstage. Guess not guess not? All right, all right.

870
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 4: The times after that they played them Yester, yeah.

871
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,519
Speaker 2: Nice, all right. I think I think we need a

872
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:19,320
break after that one. That's yeah one, yeah, so, but

873
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,119
we have two more to go, so don't go anywhere.

874
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:21,880
We'll be right back.

875
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:33,039
Speaker 4: Hudson River Radio dot com. Hudson River Radio dot Com.

876
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: And welcome back, Barbara. We're up to you.

877
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:39,079
Speaker 14: Okay.

878
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 13: Well, I chose something a little more obscure, but believe

879
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:43,760
it or not, I played this on my show at

880
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,039
least three times because I keep getting requests for it,

881
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:51,760
and I happen to like this song a lot, and

882
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:56,800
it's a song that many folks of my age can

883
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:04,239
relate to. It's called I Look Good Naked Anymore and

884
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,679
it's by the Snake Oil Willy.

885
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 17: Band, Snake Oil Willie Band.

886
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 14: I'll get to. I'll get to how they call themselves

887
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:13,920
that in a bit.

888
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,119
Speaker 4: Is that on the same list as bowling for Soup

889
01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:20,920
being a weird top ten weird names? I think?

890
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 13: Well, I think this band formed, like you know, after that,

891
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:30,599
they actually formed a New Jersey in ninety Yes in

892
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:36,199
nineteen ninety five, and although they went through various lineup changes,

893
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:41,639
the core members consist of Tony Krusinski on drums and vocals,

894
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:45,840
and he also handles all their bookings because they do

895
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,840
perform live still Seth Fleischmann on lead guitar and vocals,

896
01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:55,679
and he does the songwriting. And after I wrote that line,

897
01:02:55,719 --> 01:03:00,440
I realized that they basically have two original songs and

898
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,960
the rest of us all covers, So I don't I

899
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,480
couldn't find anything else that was original, but and if

900
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:10,519
anybody does, please let me know. Also band member Frank

901
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,639
de Bonus on bass and vocals, and he handles the

902
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:18,800
band's social media and their repertoire includes classic rock of

903
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,719
the sixties through the nineties, and southern and country rock.

904
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 14: As you'll hear.

905
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 13: Some of their influences include Leonard Skinnyard, Johnny Cash, and

906
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,800
the Doobie Brothers, among others. I Don't Look Good Naked

907
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,199
Anymore was released digitally in twenty fourteen.

908
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:40,159
Speaker 14: So let's pause here and have a listen.

909
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 6: Will my body could use a little swimming?

910
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 4: I bet my shirt all when to go swim in?

911
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,440
And I ain't seen my feature.

912
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 6: It's nineteen eighty four. The old lady watch a roll

913
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:54,480
in the haye.

914
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:58,519
Speaker 16: We turned the lights down all the way because I

915
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:04,079
don't look good in a kid a anymore. No, I

916
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:10,480
don't up could naked anymore. I'm a deep fried, double

917
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,039
white version of the.

918
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 6: Man I was before.

919
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 16: If I keep on like I'm doing it, I won't

920
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:23,280
fit through the door, and I don't look good naked anymore.

921
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: Well, it used to be a hell of a man.

922
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 6: I chump wood with just one hand. But I can't

923
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,079
do the things I've done before.

924
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,679
Speaker 16: Well, it all happened kind of slow, but I guess

925
01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:43,000
I kind of let myself go. Now I don't You

926
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:50,559
couldn't naked anymore, No, I don't luck couldn't naked anymore.

927
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,360
I'm a deep fried, double white version of.

928
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 6: A man I was before. If I keep on like

929
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:03,599
I'm do it, I won't fit through the door or

930
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,920
and I don't look good naked anymore.

931
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,519
Speaker 16: With each and every passion year came a lot of

932
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:14,000
French fries and beer.

933
01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:20,239
Speaker 6: And Mabelly hung a little closer to the floor. Now

934
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:21,960
Mabella as big as a truck.

935
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 4: And the old lad he don't want to.

936
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 6: She don't want to because I don't look good naked annymore. No,

937
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,159
I don't look goodn't naked anymore.

938
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,679
Speaker 16: I'm a deep fried, double white version of the man

939
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:41,000
I was before.

940
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 6: If you keep on like I'm doing, I won't fit

941
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:50,440
through the door. And I don't look good naked anymore.

942
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 9: No, I don't look.

943
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 14: Goodn't naked anymore.

944
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 16: I'm a deep fried, double white verson of the man

945
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:02,599
I love before.

946
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 6: If on noon a long fade through the door, and

947
01:06:09,239 --> 01:06:15,480
I don't look good naked anymore. No, I don't look

948
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:17,440
good naked anymore.

949
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 13: Then I cannot tell you how much I love that song.

950
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,000
It's very catchy. It's a catchy tune.

951
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,559
Speaker 14: I confess. I walk around the house singing it.

952
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:37,079
Speaker 13: And if you have like an earworm, a song that

953
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:39,400
got stuck in your head and you don't want it there,

954
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,360
sing this one. It'll get rid of it, which is

955
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,719
another reason why I like it. So The Snake Oil

956
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,639
Willy Band got their name from a Halloween party that

957
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,559
had a fake tombstone duration that had the inscription here

958
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:59,880
lies snake Oil Willy. So besides, I don't look good

959
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,360
naked anymore. They recorded another original song called Gift Card.

960
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:07,519
It's a Christmas song about receiving gift cards. According to

961
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:14,239
their official website, they describe themselves as seasoned professional musicians

962
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,119
with many years of dedication.

963
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 14: To their craft.

964
01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:22,119
Speaker 13: They go on to note that they are firmly implanted

965
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,199
in classic rock, but appeal to a variety of musical tastes.

966
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,119
Their website also provides a schedule of their appearances in

967
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:33,880
case anybody wants to go see live music, and links

968
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,159
to live videos of them performing both of their original

969
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,559
songs as well as their covers.

970
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 14: And I just love them.

971
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 13: It's crazy. People are always asking me to play this song.

972
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,920
They're just they're such an obscure band. But a lot

973
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,880
of people I know just know this song. And I

974
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,000
think that's really cool.

975
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:59,559
Speaker 4: And I love them a lot, so and now a

976
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:01,480
lot more people know them. So there you go.

977
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:03,079
Speaker 2: I see the appeal.

978
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,119
Speaker 14: Yes, all right, that's what I got.

979
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: That's a good one. That's a good one, all right.

980
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:12,960
So I'm gonna throw a monkey wrench in this whole

981
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:16,840
thing because I went in such a completely different direction.

982
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,399
Everybody went with, you know, songs about old people are

983
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,880
getting old, you know, the logical choices. But I went

984
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:27,520
with an old song. But crambones, I'm gonna I'm gonna

985
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,239
be picking your knowledge on this, so jump in. All right,

986
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:34,479
So we all know that the Star Spangled Banner is

987
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,319
the national anthem of the United States of America. Right,

988
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:43,319
So who wrote it? Scott Francis Scott Key. Do you

989
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,439
know what he did for a living? In his story?

990
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,359
Speaker 4: Wrote songs about flags?

991
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 2: You would think so, But no.

992
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,119
Speaker 14: Was he a journalist, no partian?

993
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 2: No, No, he was actually an attorney and an all

994
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,359
He was from Maryland. He wrote a poem called Defense

995
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,039
of Fort Mahenry. Now the fort's name is Mick Henry.

996
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,920
He took out the sea and put in the apostrophe

997
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,199
because you clearly saved a whole lot of time. I'm

998
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:15,159
sure that's why he did it.

999
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Well the copyright infringement thing, yeah.

1000
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:19,359
Speaker 9: It could be.

1001
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how copy was going on at

1002
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:21,960
the time.

1003
01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 4: Oh, you would be surprised.

1004
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. Could be. So his poem Defense

1005
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,880
of Fort ma Henry, which would become the Star Spangled Banner?

1006
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:39,359
Now during which war was it written? Eighteen twelve? Bonus

1007
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,760
point to Gale. I'm gonna keep track of bonus points

1008
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,439
because they might be worth something someday. I don't know.

1009
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,000
Very briefly, the War of eighteen twelve took place between

1010
01:09:51,239 --> 01:09:54,800
eighteen twelve and eighteen fifteen. England and France were at

1011
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,359
war over maritime rights in trade, and the US wound

1012
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,960
up joining because England was all so messing around with

1013
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:04,880
American trade as well while trying to interfere with French trade,

1014
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,600
so they were using blockades all that kind of stuff,

1015
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,159
So the United States wound up going back to war

1016
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:15,359
with England. A friend of Francis scott Key, doctor William Beans,

1017
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,000
was arrested and held by the British on the ship

1018
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:23,720
HMS Tunant, accused of detaining British soldiers who had been wounded.

1019
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,760
The President at the time, James Madison, sent Franciscott Key

1020
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,399
to meet Colonel John Skinner, an American colonel, and then

1021
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,800
proceed to negotiate with the British to try to gain

1022
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:40,760
Bean's release. They were invited aboard the British ship. They

1023
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,439
wound up having dinner with British Major General Robert Ross,

1024
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:51,079
who ultimately agreed to release Bean because the general had

1025
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:56,239
received letters that were written by injured British soldiers about

1026
01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:59,359
the compassionate care that they actually received. From American doctors.

1027
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:02,279
So it was a compassionate kind of thing. So the

1028
01:11:02,319 --> 01:11:06,439
American doctors treated British soldiers well. So the doctor was

1029
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,880
granted his release. But the three of them, Francis Scott,

1030
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,920
Keef Skinner and Bean, had overheard the British plans to

1031
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:18,439
attack Fort McHenry, so they were not allowed to return

1032
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,439
to land. They were transferred to an American ship that

1033
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,199
was actually lashed tied to a British ship, and they

1034
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:28,039
were held out on the water until after the attack

1035
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:31,560
was complete. So this is where the story comes from.

1036
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 4: Why didn't they just why didn't they text them?

1037
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 2: You would think everybody blow to cover all that kind

1038
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,039
of stuff.

1039
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 14: So so what I'm taking from this is the guy's

1040
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:45,880
name was Billy Bean.

1041
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 3: I know, I know he Does that mean he was

1042
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,399
mister Bean?

1043
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was doctor Bean, So he didn't go through

1044
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,840
four years of medical school to be mister Bean.

1045
01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:59,119
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1046
01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:01,279
Speaker 13: I know some people that that would fit the description

1047
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:02,319
fair enough.

1048
01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 2: All right. So at dawn on September thirteenth, eighteen fourteen,

1049
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,720
the British bombardment of Fort McHenry off the coast of

1050
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:15,000
Baltimore started. It went for twenty five hours straight. This

1051
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:19,880
is where Franciscott Key observed the rockets red glare bombs

1052
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:24,680
bursting in air. The British fired around eighteen hundred bombshells

1053
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,640
and seven hundred rockets at the fort, but they had

1054
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,079
to do so from a maximum distance, so they would

1055
01:12:32,119 --> 01:12:35,039
be out of range of the fort's cannon, which were

1056
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:38,720
superior weapons to what the British had, so the Americans

1057
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,199
could have knocked them out of the water if they

1058
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:42,439
got closer, so they had to stay far away, so

1059
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:48,159
they wound up sacrificing accuracy at the well. By the

1060
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:51,640
end of the battle, four American soldiers died and twenty

1061
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,760
four were wounded, which is a lot, but it could

1062
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,920
have been a whole lot worse, considering it was the

1063
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,159
whole fort under attack. At the start of the attack,

1064
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:01,840
the fort was flying what's known as their storm flag,

1065
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,239
the smaller version, which was twenty five feet by seventeen feet.

1066
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,319
That's the small flag that is roughly the size of

1067
01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:12,159
two full sized pickup trucks park next to each other.

1068
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,000
That's how big the small flag was. At the end

1069
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:17,880
of the battle, when they realized that they had come

1070
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,800
out on top, they lowered the storm flag and raised

1071
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,760
the garrison flag, which was forty two feet by thirty feet,

1072
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:30,039
just to make the statement that is a giant flag. Now,

1073
01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:33,600
this garrison flag is the actual star spangled banner that

1074
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,439
is on display at the Smithsonian in Washington, d C.

1075
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,399
Which is worth the trip. It's one of those displays

1076
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,520
that you walk in, you go around the corner and boom,

1077
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,279
it's laid out and very impressive, and you realize how

1078
01:13:45,319 --> 01:13:50,840
big that flag really was. So all patriotic, it all

1079
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,600
sounds good, right all you know, Americans came out on top, yay,

1080
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,279
and we write a poem about it. But you know,

1081
01:13:57,359 --> 01:14:00,840
I'm not leaving it there. It should be noted that

1082
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,840
Francis Scott Key was a slave owner. He owned eight

1083
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:10,640
when he died. He publicly would denounce slavery while owning them.

1084
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:14,720
He represented both enslaved people who were fighting for their

1085
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,479
freedom and slave owners in court cases. I'm guessing it

1086
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,319
was whoever wrote the check got represented. Maybe maybe not.

1087
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,840
His poem Defense of Fort ma Henry has four stanzas.

1088
01:14:28,039 --> 01:14:30,760
We only sing the first one as the US anthem.

1089
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,000
The other stanzas have some pretty racist language in them.

1090
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:37,880
If you care to go ahead and read them yourself.

1091
01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:39,800
I'm going to leave that to you. Make that your

1092
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,800
homework assignment, because we're not going to read them here.

1093
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:43,920
I will leave that to you.

1094
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:45,319
Speaker 12: Now.

1095
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,119
Speaker 2: The words that he wrote happened to fit a popular

1096
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:52,960
tune called the Anacreontic Song, which was the official tune

1097
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:58,439
of the Anacreontic Society, which was an amateur musician gentlemen's

1098
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,880
club in London, England. Nowadays we would just call it

1099
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,520
like a garage band, but they didn't have garages back then.

1100
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:11,079
A horse barn, a carriage house, ben.

1101
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 4: A garage, a garage.

1102
01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 2: I stay corrected, You are absolutely correct. You know we

1103
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,680
could call it a bro jam. How about that. There

1104
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,800
you go, so you get the idea. Things were a

1105
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,399
little bit more formal back then. The society was named

1106
01:15:27,399 --> 01:15:31,520
after the ancient Greek poet Anacreon, who wrote drinking songs

1107
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:40,560
and erotic poems. Rock and roll. So at their yeah.

1108
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:43,319
Speaker 4: Awesome.

1109
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,119
Speaker 2: So at their meetings they would have a guest, either

1110
01:15:47,159 --> 01:15:50,640
a composer or a performer, come in, often quite famous,

1111
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,079
like Hiding the composer Hyden, who was still famous to

1112
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,800
this day. He was famous in his day. He would

1113
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,920
come in, speak, perform, do his own songs and then

1114
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,479
and the members of the group would perform their own songs,

1115
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,239
have their little jam sessions themselves. Now the Society seems

1116
01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:10,439
to have fallen apart because in seventeen ninety two they

1117
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,279
had a duchess attend as a guest, and their subject

1118
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:17,479
material was questionable, to say the least at the time,

1119
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,119
and would not have gone over well with a duchess

1120
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:23,560
being present. So I think everybody kind of side eyed

1121
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,680
it and everything fizzled out after that.

1122
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,399
Speaker 8: Prior to that, were there women, there no.

1123
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,079
Speaker 2: Gentlemen's club, Nope, nope, nope, nope. So yeah, that kind

1124
01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:37,239
of burst the bubble just a little bit. But the

1125
01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:41,239
Society's theme was composed by John Stafford Smith, who was

1126
01:16:41,279 --> 01:16:44,039
a well known composer and music historian at the time.

1127
01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:46,119
Speaker 14: Why do these guys always have three names?

1128
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 4: Who?

1129
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 2: Because they had a lot more time. The lyrics are

1130
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,199
attributed to Ralph Tomlinson two names, who was president of

1131
01:16:57,319 --> 01:17:00,000
the Society at the time. The whole thing was ritten

1132
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:04,680
around seventeen seventy three. Nobody's entirely sure of exact timeframe,

1133
01:17:05,319 --> 01:17:08,319
but the melody became so popular that people would write

1134
01:17:08,399 --> 01:17:11,239
new lyrics over it and there were just countless versions

1135
01:17:11,279 --> 01:17:13,319
over and over. Like folk songs. They knew the melody

1136
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:15,520
and they would just write lyrics to fit whatever occasion

1137
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:15,800
they want.

1138
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 3: Mike, that's like one of the most unsingable pieces on

1139
01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:19,680
the planet.

1140
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, why do.

1141
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:21,239
Speaker 4: You hear it?

1142
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:22,039
Speaker 3: Uh?

1143
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: So our national anthem is actually a spoof on a

1144
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,000
body British drinking song.

1145
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,319
Speaker 14: Yea, I love it.

1146
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 2: So let's go over the first verse of the original song.

1147
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:39,039
The idea of the tune is the society is asking

1148
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,680
an Acreon to basically be their party bro, come join us,

1149
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,439
be the group leader, and he agrees to it. So

1150
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,960
the lyrics to an Acreon in heaven, where he sat

1151
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:53,079
in full glee, a few sons of harmony sent a

1152
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:58,520
petition that he there inspirer and patron would be all right.

1153
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:03,600
So the sons of harmonies are asking him to come

1154
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,520
join us. When his answer arrived from the jolly old

1155
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:12,680
Grecian voice, fiddle and flute no longer be mute. I'll

1156
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,800
lend you my name and inspire you to boot. And besides,

1157
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,800
I'll instruct you like me to entwine the myrtle of

1158
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,960
Venus with Bacchus's vine. Now the Myrtle of Venus is

1159
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:28,159
a plant dedicated to Venus, the goddess of love, and

1160
01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:32,119
was thought to be an aphrodisiac at the time. Bacchus

1161
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:35,920
was the Roman god of wine and agriculture, so Bacchus's

1162
01:18:36,039 --> 01:18:39,479
vine would be the wine that they're talking about. So

1163
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,800
this song is sex and alcohol.

1164
01:18:43,319 --> 01:18:44,319
Speaker 4: I thought Bacchus was.

1165
01:18:46,399 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: And mister Magoo, yeah he's a few generations later. Oh yeah,

1166
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,159
he's coming back. So all right, so that is the

1167
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:58,119
song that our national anthem is based on. We're going

1168
01:18:58,199 --> 01:19:02,800
to hear the original song. And this recording was done

1169
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,039
by a group called the Star Spangled Music Foundation, which

1170
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:09,800
was a nonprofit back in twenty thirteen. I went digging.

1171
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:11,800
I wanted to find out more about them, but their

1172
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,239
website is down, so I don't know what their status is.

1173
01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:16,520
I don't know if the group disbanded or what happened.

1174
01:19:17,279 --> 01:19:19,880
But when they did this recording, they used the harpsichord,

1175
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:25,039
which would have been accurate for seventeen seventy three. Harpsichord

1176
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:27,359
has a very distinctive sound. You've heard it before, even

1177
01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:29,399
if you didn't know what it was. If you've never

1178
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:33,039
seen one, they look like a little grand piano, but

1179
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they're often embellished with a lot of artwork and brighter

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colors and figures.

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Speaker 3: And it's what Lurch plays.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Lurch plays yep, yep, but you only see

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that in black and white. You don't actually see how

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fancy that they would make these harpsichords. They really they

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would deck these things out. You know Eddie van Hilen's

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Franken guitar kind of thing, same idea, that's nothing new.

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The difference is that in a piano, the strings are

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struck by a hammer, so the player presses a key,

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the key moves a hammer, the hammer hits the string,

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so you can play loudly, you can play softly, depending

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on how hard you hit the key. On a harpsichord,

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the keys are a little bit smaller. The scale of

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the keys is smaller. So it's funny if you see

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an experienced piano player sit down and try to play

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a harpsichord, because they invariably mess it up because their

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fingers are hitting the wrong keys because the scale is

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a little bit smaller. And when a key is pressed

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on a harpsichord, it lifts up a strip of void

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called a jack, and the jack is attached to a plectrum,

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which is usually the tip of a quill, and the

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string is actually plucked instead of hit with a hammer,

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so it's actually plucked upward with the tip of a quill.

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So no matter how hard you hit the keys on

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a harpsichord, the volume remains the same. It's always plucked

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with the same same amount, so it's the same volume.

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So if you wanted to make something louder on a harpsichord,

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they would play octaves, so you'd get the same note,

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but you'd hear, you know, two notes at the same time,

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so it would be a little bit louder. Yeah, gotcha,

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all right, So we went over the lyrics. It's a

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song in more of an operatic style with the harpsichord,

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but it's still sex and drugs and alcohol. So here

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you go the Anacreontic song from seventeen seventy three. Oh,

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I'm gonna say, we're only gonna do two verses. So

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there's a verse in the chorus, a verse and the chorus,

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and then you get the idea and that's enough, all right,

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so we don't have to do the whole thing, all right.

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Here we go on.

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Speaker 10: Where he's hot.

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Speaker 11: A few songs of.

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Speaker 9: And talk about this.

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Speaker 11: That's the inspirer on the page on when it's a answer.

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Speaker 9: All arrived from.

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Speaker 6: The jolly.

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Speaker 9: Boy spit on.

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Speaker 11: No longer be huge, Ill lane you my name and

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inspire you to boot. And besides, I'll instruct you like

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me too.

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Speaker 19: In fine they in us when a bacasas line and

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SI shot you like me to in finetic.

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Speaker 23: News to.

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Speaker 11: Passing media.

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Speaker 21: If when a fonder preturn to agave himself pays, These

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mortols are sofer the team to pursue the time.

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Speaker 11: God, this will stay hardt. But already they cry, and

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transports of joy all way to the sons of anacron

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will fly under that. We've got a puddles weln to

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in wine. That's a lot as coss whine.

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Speaker 2: I think we all had the urge to raise our

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01:23:26,279 --> 01:23:32,720
drinks and sway back and forth right, absolutely a drinking song. Right,

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So there we go. That's our anthem right there.

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Speaker 8: So what did they think of it when they changed

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it or was vastly different.

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01:23:43,359 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 2: It didn't become our national anthem till the nineteen thirties.

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01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 8: Oh okay, so officially anybody around for that version had

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no clue.

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Speaker 2: They've heard so many versions of it because it was

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such a popular melody that I don't think anybody cared.

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Speaker 8: I would guess, yeah, I mean it's just funny because

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it's too completely different, uh.

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01:24:10,279 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 13: Huh and drinking and bombs, yeah, the whole concept of everything.

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Speaker 8: So who decided to change it to the national anthem?

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Like knowing the history of.

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Speaker 2: It, I don't know. I don't actually know, you know what,

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01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,079
that would have been a good thing to look into.

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Speaker 13: I guess you were so be funneled by what you

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did find out that it distracted you from further investigation.

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Speaker 2: It's the kind of thing, you know, papers are written on.

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And how long can I make you sit there and

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01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:46,159
listen to.

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Speaker 17: Complicated and colorful.

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01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:54,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know, we have to find that

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01:24:54,199 --> 01:24:57,239
right balance of entertainment and facts, so.

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Speaker 12: We'll have.

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Speaker 2: I think so well, now, you know, right next time

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01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:06,600
you hear it, you're gonna start giggling and no one

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else is gonna know why.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely every day, I'm just impressed, As I said off air,

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I'm just impressed. The one guy hit that high note,

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and that is not easy, trust me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was those tight pantaloons they will.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hoist up your breeches.

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01:25:30,199 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 12: Yeah.

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01:25:31,159 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 13: And also in those days, they didn't have a right

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01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,800
or a left shoe. They just had one a shoe

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01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,920
and yeah, those must have hurt. So that would really

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01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,279
help you hit those high notes.

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01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,199
Speaker 14: Pantaloons and tight shoes.

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01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 2: All right, that's all I've got for tonight.

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01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:53,199
Speaker 4: You know you're leaving you're leaving out a very important,

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01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,399
very important fact here, but I don't think you even

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01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:56,760
know that.

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01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,159
Speaker 2: All right, what's that?

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01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 4: Okay? The topic for today was what Okay, now, the

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star Spangled banner is what the American flag? What is

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01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:16,399
another nickname for the American flag?

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Speaker 2: Oh, the grand old flag, Old Glory, Old Glory.

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Speaker 4: You completely glossed over that, and I'm like waiting for it,

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01:26:25,119 --> 01:26:27,439
and I'm like, I have to, I have to point

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01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,840
this out to you, old Glory.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:26:34,239 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 14: Yeah, you totally nailed the topic.

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01:26:38,399 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: All right. Cool, So that means it's the perfect time

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to pull the plug.

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Speaker 8: And you get all the points.

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01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 14: Kick off those big buckled shoes.

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01:26:51,239 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 2: Sit back, loosen your breeches. All right, Yeah, it's time

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to go. Definitely time to everybody, holds your drink up

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and we're gonna we're gonna make our our classy exit.

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Here we go, all right. Thank you Mercedes for a

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good topic, excellent choice as always, Crambones, awesome selections across

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the board, and thank you all for joining us here

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another brand new episode. Until then, start singing drinking songs

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and wave your drink in the air and have some

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fun and we'll see you next week. Peace out, everybody.

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Speaker 4: Bottom Okay, bye bye.

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