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of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome Richard Martini,
who is a researcher of the afterlife, near death experiences,
divine awakenings, out of body experiences, and trips over to
the flip side as he calls it, and he does
a lot of work within contacting the divine counsel of
your soul. This is a eye opening, just awesome conversation. Guys,
let's dive in, like to welcome to the show, Richard Bartini.
How are you doing, Richard?
Speaker 2: I'm great? Alex, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? My friend? Thank you so much for
doing this and coming on the show.
Speaker 2: Can I just say this is such a treat for
me and I've had so many people reach out to
me and say, why aren't you on his show? His
show is the best show. And so when Bob Thurman
gave me a shout out on your show. I was like,
people wrote to me and were like, oh my god. Anyway,
so I'm honored to be here. You've had everybody and
their brother on their show on your show, and you
have a huge audience that we should all wish to
have on our podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I appreciate that very very much. It's been
a humbling journey, to say the least, doing this show,
as you can imagine, coming from filmmaking as you have
as well, you come from the same You and I
have walked over the same corpses, you know, over the
same battlefields if we have the shrapnel from working in
Hollywood for many, many years. From there to the spiritual
space is a large, large jump, and very very large jump.
And from a filmmaking podcast to a spiritual podcast without
having a spiritual awakening, near death experience gone to the
top of the Himalaya is just truly just curious about
what we're talking about. It's been a ride, and from
what I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure its about your journey of course, because whenever you people,
you have so many interesting people on and then they
talk about themselves. May I say whether it's supposed to
as supposed to, but I mean in my case, and
of course, because I do a podcast, Hacking Afterlife, where
we talk to people you know quite a bit. I
have publicists reach out to me and they say, can
I get my client on your show? And I say,
I'm really sorry, but the only clients we talk to
our off planet. So when your client is no longer here,
happy to talk to him or her, Oh my good.
But I'm curious. I am curious about your journey. And
I mean, I don't want to go down. I'm not deflecting,
but I'm curious. Who how did you go from a
filmmaker to a spiritual guide.
Speaker 1: I'll give you, I'll give you the one minute, like
the sixty second talk about that, because I've talked about
it on the show before, and I've had done other
interviews that I've gone deep into it. But basically, my
spiritual guide here on Earth, she's been with me for
twenty six years, told me I had to do a
spiritual podcast. And I said, you're insane. Why would I
do something like that. She's like, no, it's time, you
need to do it. And I said okay, and she's like,
you have three weeks to put it all together. I'm like, why,
because that's Easter and that's gonna be a good time
for you to launch. So I was like, I get
you're you're insane. Yeah, it can never happen. And she's like,
nobody could do that. She's like, absolutely, you're right, no
one could do that, but you can't. And I said,
all right. So three weeks later, we had guests, we
had we had a trademark. I mean, it was all done, website,
the whole thing. I did it all myself and got
the ball rolling and that was April of well, Easter
of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you, Yeah, hold on one sec.
And this is a question I asked my film students,
what was your first conscious thought that you would have
some kind of a connection with spirituality? And you can
go back to when you were a kid. I mean,
it's some point.
Speaker 1: I've always been interested in this, Richard, I've always been
interested in this.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I'm a recovering Catholic, so I've i've you know, I've
I started down that path didn't really make sense to me,
with a lot of the dogmine stuff and the fear
based stuff that I didn't like, but I liked a
lot of the cool stuff like that Jesus guy seemed cool.
He had some cool had some cool stuff to talk about.
But I just found my own path. And uh, then
I was introduced to Yogananda, and then I went I
started going down more of the Eastern philosophies, Eastern teachings,
and they started going deep down that road. Uh and
she and she h again. She would give me books
to read that just you know, had started exploding, and
books that were ahead of the time that I needed
to read them. But start planting seeds.
Speaker 2: So probably you maybe have talked about it, but you know,
Elvis was a Yogananda fan and it changed his life.
Speaker 1: And the Beatles as well. George Harrison, George Harrison was
a big one as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Yogananda's on Sergeant Pepper the cover of Sergeant Pepper.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't realize. I live a few a few
miles from his center that he had here in Los Angeles,
so he had two.
Speaker 1: So just so, just so you know, on the cover
of Sergeant Pepper's on the Sergeant Pepper album we have Yogananda,
Baba g here In, Mahashai, and Shwa. All four of
them are on the cover of and and from what
I understand, they each beadle got to choose four icons
to put on the cover and those were all George Harrison's.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's very good. Well, I you know, I gotta
tell you in my journey, which is similar to yours,
I grew up. I was an alterate boy. Actually learned
the Mass in Latin and then they'd switch it over
to English. And I was like, oh, come on, really,
I have to learn this again. And my uncle was
a priest, but I had this I'll tell you when
I had a question to one of the nuns in
my grade school, Uh, what up with this thing? Where
seth and you know able go out and populate the world? Arcane? Sorry?
And how did that happen? They did have any sisters?
Where did the girls come from? And the nun said, Richard,
you know you're asking too many questions. But that section
of the Bible is metaphor. And I went, oh, oh,
you mean somebody wrote it to give you an example
of Oh. And then suddenly in my head everything was metaphor.
I realized. And at that moment I turned to my parents.
I said, you know, I don't think I have to
go to church anymore. And they were like, well, okay,
they were really, they were really.
Speaker 1: They were cool with it. Well, I mean there's that
whole you know, the Earth. It's only around six thousand
years old according to the Bible, and and that's it.
And I'm like, oh, but those dinosaur bones, well, we
don't like to talk about those, you know.
Speaker 2: But listen, I want to tell you something. It's fascinating
and it's been in my Bayluick and I don't know
if we were going to talk about it, but I
will just bring it up. Jesus shows up a lot
in near death experiences.
Speaker 1: Now I say, I hate I say he's the hardest
working man in show business. I always say that the people.
Speaker 2: I was just my friend. Doctor Bruce Grayson wrote a
book called After, which is really a fantastic, wonderful.
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, Bruce is on.
Speaker 2: Sorry and so there you go read Who's you know?
I have to watch? Anyway, Recently he gave a talk
at the International Association of Near Death Studies, which I've
spoken at quite a bit, and he revealed things that
he left out of the book After and some of
the details he left out were like eighty five percent
of the people who have a near death experience report
meeting Source or God, and that they use the terms
indescribable joy, unconditional love, or non judgmental acceptance. And it's
those terms are show up a lot in the flip
side research. But beyond that, he said that fifteen percent
of near death experiences people report seeing Jesus, whether they
believe in him or not. And in the past fifteen
years of me filming people either under hypnosis, during a
guided meditation, or with mediums, he's shown up more than that,
let's just say. And the former head of Paramount Studios,
David Kirkpatrick, reached out to me and said, you need
to write a book about these interviews, and so I did.
And this book the greatest story ever told that painting
by my great uncle Titiano should it's stories of people
who report talking to him. And I've filmed people talking
to him live you like it's a guided meditation. It's
very simple, and they say I'm seeing Jesus, And then
I'll say, how do you know it's him? Is he
wearing a name tag? And then they say, I just
know it, I feel it. And a lot of times
they're not Christians and they'll say to me, this is
weird because I don't believe in him, but here he is.
And then I go on, I take that next step.
I do the podcasting thing that you do, which is
I say, can I ask you a question?
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and now back to the show.
Speaker 2: And if the answer is yes, then I ask the
same questions. And it's something doctor Grayson mentions in his
book After you can get objective dates from subjective experiences
if you ask the same questions of people who are
experiencing something identical questions, so I can say based on
that parameter, Jesus says very often, the Bible is metaphor.
When he said that, I was like, Oh, that's what
I thought. That's funny. The Bible is metaphor. He said,
all religions point to the same garden, which is pretty profound.
Then he said, you don't have to follow me, but
allow me to walk beside you as we walk each
other home. You've heard that from ram Das. You know,
we're just so here he is quoting Rob DAWs in
this weird way, but he says it repeatedly. So I've
asked him me him, I'm asking somebody who's seeing him.
I can't see him, but they're saying, I'm seeing him here,
and yes, he's answering your questions. And I've asked him,
why are you He gives an alternate story of his life,
of what happened, of his journey, and it ain't in
the book, but it is in my book. But he
gives an alternate story, and I've asked him, why are
you giving us this alternate story of your life? And
his answer twice with different people, was Richard, it's not
alternative if it's true. And I went, oh, my gosh,
that's so deep. You should be a philosopher, and he
said I was one once, So Richard, let me.
Speaker 1: So let's start. Let's start, because there's so much I
would like to talk to you about. Can you tell
people what drew you to the afterlife, to doing this
kind of work coming from a filmmaking background.
Speaker 2: Give a little context for that crazy Martini guy who
just told a bizarre story. Oh but one I'll follow
up to that is recently I was talking to a
woman doing a guide of meditation. She said she saw
just scientist in Washington, DC. And I always asked the
same quest, can he change into something more conducive to
conversation because people when they see him there, they lose
their breath. Their faces turned beat red. And she said, Okay,
he's changed into jeans and a T shirt, which is
what he always changes into, no matter who sees him.
And I think to myself, does a guy have no
clothes in his closet? Like, what's going on? But in
this case, I asked the question, can you see anything
on his T shirt? I'd never asked that before. Why not?
She started to chuckle and she said, it says the
grateful dead.
Speaker 1: Sorry, So he's a funny guy.
Speaker 2: My journey, my journey to this unusual topic that brought
us together, which I love. I think that's fantastic. Is
that a very dear friend of mine, Lawana Anders, actress
who had been in over three hundred TV showsen movies.
Were We met at USC Film School and we've we
were together for twenty years. She passed away in my
arms back in nineteen ninety six. She started showing up
in my dreams at first, and then I could hear
her voice and then she would appear. I could see
her clearly as a younger person. And then other members
of my family saw her. And when they started seeing her,
I thought, well, that can't be me making that up
because they're reporting the same things I'm seeing. And so
I start I thought, well, there's got to be a
if she can come and visit us, how do we
go visit her? So she had been a Buddhist, so
I started studying Buddhism. I thought maybe that's the key.
And I ended up, as we mentioned, meeting Robert Thurman,
and I took his auditors class at Columbia and that
led to trips to India. I led to a trip
into Tibet. There's a fun documentary which is on YouTube
for free, Journey into Tibet with Robert Thurman. I follow
him around Mount Kylash. But all those things for people
familiar with Buddhism, they know that, you know, there's not
a finite supposedly, there's not a finite person. However, my
experience was different. I was talking to my friend and
people were seeing the same person. So literally that person
still exists, not as a wisp of smoke, you see.
And so I dove into this work and I've ran
into Michael Newton, who was a hypnotherapist in Los Angeles,
and for thirty years he had been doing these hypnotherapy
sessions and gathered all of that into a book called
Journey of Souls. Subsequently, after talking to Grayson and the
University of Virginia, who was saying, well, you know, hypnosis
is not a valid tool of science, I found that
doctor Helen Wamba also did like three thousand clinical case
studies where she eliminated bias in her work. You familiar
with doctor Brian Weiss. He's had four thousand cases. So
I was able to gather data which reflected what I
was experiencing, and I began filming people. I asked Michael
Newton if I could film people under hypnosis to see
if that process was okay, and at first they said well,
he said, I'm retired. I don't really do that anymore.
And then he met me and he said, okay, I'll
give you my last interview, which is an odd thing
to say because he was sixteen years still on the planet.
But I filmed him for this documentary called Flip Side,
and it was somewhere during that week when I was
filming people under hypnosis saying the same things about the
afterlife that somebody suggested. Paul Orn, the former president of
that group, said rich why don't you try one? And
I thought, oh, what a perfect way to prove it
fake or false. I didn't think there was an afterlife.
I didn't think I would be under I could do
hypnosis all misnomers. Listen, if you can talk to the dead. Somebody,
Philip Noys, the film director, introduced me to somebody, said hey,
this is Richie. He thinks he talks to the dead.
I said, no, Philip, I talk to people who talk
to the dead. So in my case, I'm now filming
myself and it's in the documentary. I'm filming myself accessing
previous lifetimes, accessing my friend who is on the flip
side looking at me, like, what are you doing here?
How did you get here? She's surprised to see me.
I try to focus on new information, stuff that I
couldn't have made up. You know, whether it's something your
grandmother is wearing, you know, and you see them in
a dream or a vision. You can revisit that vision
through guided meditation and take a look at their clothing.
Is it something you know? If it's not, where'd the
clothes come from. You see, if you're making stuff up
about a loved one, they should look the way they looked.
But generally most people when they see a loved one
during hypnosis or guided meditation or even with mediumship that
when they show up, they usually show up younger and
healthier and thinner. It's like they've gone through the CGI machine.
But so in my case, I've I focused on really
since about fifteen years now, I've focused on. First it
was hypnotherapists, and I was just filming them, not asking questions,
and somewhere five or six years doing that and coming
out with Flipside and these documentaries. I got contacted by
a medium, Jennifer Shaeffer Manhattan Beach, works with law enforcement.
I was I didn't know what a medium was, and
I asked her. I said, so, what is that you do?
And she explained it to me. She'd work with Bill Bratton,
a former head of LAPD and NYPD, in solving missing
person cases. And I thought, oh, well, this is where
she's like a cell phone to the other side. So
I started working with her as a cell phone and
for eight years, every week we spend an hour together
talking to people off planet. Sometimes our friends of mine,
close friends. For example, I was said Carl Weathers memorial,
the Director's gill two days ago, Carl wonderful friend. We
wrote a screenplay together, and two days after he passed.
I said to her, I'd like to talk to my
friend Carl. She only works with the first name, and
she said, okay, he's here. She didn't recognize it. So
I'm going to look over on this screen because I
put it up just in case we talked about Carl.
I said Carl, and I told this to his family
at the memorial. I said, Carl, what is it you
want to say? And he said, I had a magnificent life.
Jennifer then said was he a director? I said yes,
he was. I said, I want to ask you about
rand Randall, his friend Randall, who is Randall Kleaiser, who
directed Greece. Randall put Carl and his first television show.
She said, oh, okay, he wants to say thank you.
And it feels like Ramball put him on the map,
which was true. And then to get into it, he
just said that he The most important thing he said
is that life is like a blink, that it happened
so fast that people and I asked him specific questions
about all of his friends, from Jon Favreau to Adam Sandler,
Arnold Schwartzenegger, each thing, Sly, each thing I used their
first name and Jennifer for example, with Arnold, she said
he's saying he could still beat him arm wrestling, which
was in the movie Predator, which Jennifer didn't know until
I mentioned Sly's name, and then she went, oh, my gosh,
it's the boxer. You know. She then saw him clearly.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, My point is this, look, I'm not doing magic.
This is anybody can do this. I'm just a filmmaker.
I just happened to stumble upon the idea that people
have filters on their brain when they're born. Some children
don't have them until the age of eight, and they
can remember past lifetimes and see people that others cannot.
My kids did that. I'm sure you've seen people or
heard people say that, you know, their kids are like
telling me about my previous lifetime. But Grayson noted that
elderly people lose the filters too. In a study in
the UK, seventy percent of the people hospice care. People
with dementia patients said their memory spontaneously came back, and
as Grayson noted, it's like the atrophy brain kills the
filters and they see people that others cannot see. And
so I've realized that basically what I'm doing is filming
people bypassing those filters. Grayson talks about them in his
book After But there are filters that block information, not
conducive to survival, that we shouldn't be looking at, paying
attention to. But sometimes we can, and sometimes we do.
You know, mediums are people who have got screwy filters,
filters just don't work properly. Then you have dreams with
the filters are off and you're seeing people that used
to exist and hearing. Of course, everything said in a
dream is telepathic. You're not hearing sound, but you are
hearing sound. And then you have people who use hallucinogens.
I'm sure you've heard that. DMPT studies like that right,
taken off the filters. Like I say, I've been filming
for people for fifteen years using hypnotherapy or guided meditation,
and this is where it's really interesting. In the past,
I don't know, maybe five or six years I had
a friend reach out to me who had done a
hypnotherapy session, and she was, you know, she had six hours.
These are six hour sessions, four to six hours, and
during her session she had an amazing journey. And the
reason I noticed because she was a total skeptic, total atheist.
She only agreed to do the session because her doctor
said it would be good for her to relax, and
a film producer, you know, sort of worked out all yeah,
big personality. But there she was instantly talking to people
on the other side, meeting guides, talking to an Akashak
librarian who everybody. Everything that she said was so interesting.
But so now about eight years later, I'm having lunch
with her and I said, so do you recall She's like,
I vaguely recall that stuff. I don't really remember it.
And I said, well, would you like two and over coffee?
I just said, well, let's picture yourself in a boat
on a river and we did the Beatles meditation, as
I call it, and I asked her guide to come forward.
And I had met them before, you see, and plus
I had transcribed the session, so I'm very familiar with
what they said. And we brought them all back within
a few seconds, like they were waiting to talk to us.
So the book divined councilors in the afterlife. And this
was with her help. She knew about twenty scientists, clergy
doctors who had all done guided meditation. None of them
were aware they had guides or counsels or teachers they
could talk to, but they had all done guided meditation,
so it was like they had already already bypassed the filters,
you see. And so I did a zoom session with
each one Harvard neuroscientists, a kira with a sakira or
is it akila? I forget, but anyway, he let me
use his name. He didn't care. He was talking to
his council, every person in the and I thought it
would be a percentage, like so many would be able
to access this, No, all of them. And they all
met guides, teachers, council members that they didn't know they
could talk to. And each council member has some quality
that you've earned in a lifetime. So if you have
like fifteen council members, you've been around a lot. If
you have like three or four, maybe not so much.
But each one has a quality like courage, wisdom, loyalty,
creativity exactly. And so it's it's a fascinating journey. But
now here's where the weird weird. So recently I was
at the Contact in the Desert thing. You know, you've
heard about that. That's where people talk about aliens and stuff. Oh,
copy of my book. Oh there's my piano. Sorry, Closing
Counters of the Flip side kind, all right, on a
phone home. I was when I was seventh grade. I
was doing a science project and my nun, speaking of nuns,
gotta love the nuns, sisters of Saint Casimir. She assigned
me a friend of hers who was a professor, to
help me with my science project, which won the state
fair back in seventh grade. His name was Jay Ellen Heinick.
Jay Allen Heinick was responsible for writing Project Blue Book
while he was at Northwestern University. He's the guy who
invented the term close Encounters of the third kind. And
so when I saw the movie there he is in
the movie smoking his pipe, and I went, oh, my god,
that's my seventh grade science teacher. Well, his son is
a scientist, teaches at Pepperdine, and he was quite a
big spokesperson at this contact in the Desert conference. So
I took the opportunity to not only interview Paul, to
do a guided meditation with Paul. I left it up
to him who he wanted to talk to. He wanted
to talk to his father, who was off the planet.
We did an hour long conversation where his father said
the same, said like things about me, called me persnickety,
weird word because I asked too many questions. Now, I
took that information to Jennifer Schaeffer on our podcast. You
can you know, we can dial in his name, search
his name, you'll find it. And I said, I wanted
to speak to this person. She didn't know who was.
I said, uh, you know, I I'm familiar with your
son and I would like to talk to you. And
we had an hour long conversation where he called me
persnicketty again, as well as confirmed all the details that
his son had said. You know, the time when he
came to he felt him in the room when he
was like playing with a puppy, you know that sort
of thing. So it's it's a anyway. But back to
the reason I mentioned this is because people talking to
their councils sometimes anywhere from five to fifteen people. There's
people who don't normally incarnate on the planet. Sometimes that
freaks people out. They're going along a line because I
asked them to go along the line left or right?
Who's here? You know? Oh, it's my grandfather, or it's
this wise being, or it's an angel. I mean I
can see you know. They talk about what they can see.
I can't see him, but they can, and then they go, Okay,
this is weird. Somebody not from here. And I ask
the same questions, who are you? Are you a tourist,
are you just stopping by this council or have you
been watching over this person's life for many lifetimes? And
sometimes they say, well, this person and I are friends
back on my planet, and that's where I know this
person from.
Speaker 1: And that's when that's when they're record scribes to a halt.
Speaker 2: That's right. So I know that Michael Newton's Institute, which
has been around and they've had eighty thousand reports that
thirty over thirty five percent of them include memories of
lifetimes off planet on other planets. So your friend rich,
who is you know a little bit crazy himself? I
asked the same questions, and so I'll I ask, you know,
let's say that I asked this one fella, clearly not
from this universe or realm. I said, have you ever
incarnated as a human? Some people have? And he said,
I wouldn't stoop so low. Now, the person I was
talking to as a scientist, and they thought they were
just you know, it was disconcerning to hear that to them.
I don't know why he said that, but you know,
that's what he said. So anyway, I try to focus
on new information. That sentence itself is new information to
most humans who would think really like, isn't this the greatest?
You know? But it's a difficult, dense place that has gravitate.
There's constant fighting. If you're a warrior, you can either
the bench or you can be in the scrum. You
can get out there and you might like that, and
that might be your choice. And this is the key
element of what is that I'm talking about in this
or what I've discovered to myself, which is incarnation is optional.
I filmed enough people recalling their life planning process and
you can see them in the movie's Flip Side and
Hacking the Afterlife, where people recall the event of talking
to their guides and having the guides pitch them, pitch,
you know, pitch them this idea. I think you should
be this guy. And you say, I did that in
a Viking era. I don't want to be the drunk
uncle again. I don't want to play that role.
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Speaker 2: And the people who are asking you say, oh, but
you're so good at it, you would really be please
help me. And yet this relativity thing is that twenty
five years on Earth for people on the flip side,
they report it's like five or ten minutes. So if
you're asking someone to show up for five or ten
minutes to play this role, that's going to teach you
lessons or help you overcome actions or karma that you've
had in previously, and they can help you. You may
say yes, but you can opt out, defer, or say no.
And that is as you know, as you know, contrary
to the whole idea of being trapped on a wheel
that we have to get out of because if you're
if it's optional to get off the wheel or to
get on the wheel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to my understanding. After all of my research
of interviewing so many people in this space and from
all walks of life on the show, I understand that
it isn't that you have to come back, that you
eventually choose to come back to clear up karma, because
it's a debt that you have on you. Whether you
want to deal with it now five hundred years, thousand years,
twenty thousand years up to you. There's no real time
on the other side, So you choose, but you eventually
want to choose because you want to go to the
next level. You want to you want to evolve, and
you can't evolve without incarnation. Well, excuse me, let me
phrase that, you can evolve without incarnation, but it's a slower,
slower like this is like a This is completely a
PhD level experience where you're going to learn a lot,
very fast, very intense, where it might take you ten
to twenty times that time on the other side. That's
my general understanding.
Speaker 2: Would you wan, well, let me give you a lovely
quote on that which came from somebody saying the Earth
experience is the show. It's like being in the major leagues.
You can spend five hundred years on some boring planet
where nothing happens. But you can learn more from tragedy
in one day on Earth spiritually then you can in
five hundred years on some boring planet where nothing happens.
Now you know our experience is like give me the boring. Really,
I just want to chill, like, no more drama. Okay,
that's optional. But all your friends. And this is the
other part, which is when you choose to come on stage,
you aren't by yourself. You have a whole theater of people,
actors who are volunteering and saying, I want to play
your grandfather. Really, yeah, I want to play your best friend.
I'm going to play that role that's going to hit
you in the car, that makes you get out of
your journey and does do something else. So can I
play that role? Or you cast and you're like yeah,
you and you and you You're great. Anything you want
to do is great with me, Like what do you
want to learn? And your counsel is in front of
you while you're pitching your life. I mean, I have
one guy in Hacking Afterlife. He saw the journey, as
he said, it was like being in the Akashak library
in the microfiche section, and he was scanning through all
of his lifetimes, stopping and going, oh, I screwed that up. Yeah,
I want to learn that karma. I want to fix that. Yeah.
And then he went out and pitched, and he said
it was like standing in the Hollywood Bowl and he
was pitching to this front row of counselors who are
all kind of you know, doing doing that thing of like,
I'm not so sure that's you said that the last time,
and then everyone in the auditorium volunteering to participate, and him.
Speaker 1: That is that the sole group though? Or is that.
Speaker 2: The councilors on the front. Yeah, Well, you know, I
try not to use that term. I know Michael Newton
used it a lot. Sole group. Problem with it is
being a musician. Soul is a great word for music
and a great word for food, you know, of the heart.
But I prefer the term conscious energy because we only
bring a portion of who we are to the play.
That the rests what everyone reports that the rest of
us is back home going good job or not that
person you know rooting for us, and Chris you wonder
like why are they not here when I really need them?
Or why am I not here? But still, So soul
groups are really like these different I call it a classroom.
So for example, you remember going to grade school, you had homeroom,
and everybody took attendance, you know, and I know where
you were in the alphabet, and I know where I
was in the alphabet, you know, and you go down
the thing. And now those people in that classroom, some
of them are friends, some are not. And then you
might wind up, you know, being in another class with
them during the day. You might play sports with them,
you might become best friends with them. But they are
just your class room associates. And those guys may all
girls and guys. They may all be signing up to
learn lessons that you're learning as well, and with loyalty
or courage or whatever. And people talk about the themes
of the classroom. But you know, in Michael Newton's terms,
he used the word soul group. But it got people
crazy because they would see like people they hate in
their soul group, and they'd see their family like somewhere else,
like an affiliated group. But I think of it as
a home room. In the homeroom, you got all these people,
and then and then when you go home, you got
the family and the remote control and you know, playing
basketball with your brothers.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot more That's a great analogy. That's
a great, great analogy. It makes a lot more sense
than that, because, yeah, there's a lot of people who
are like, Okay, I'm gonna be your abusive uncle this year, this,
this lifetime, or I'm gonna I'm going to abandon you
as your mom because you need to learn this lesson.
And it's hard for people to wrap their heads around that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, especially when it comes to I'll give you an example.
I mean, this is the tough topic. I have a
friend who said I want to do one of these sessions,
and so we drove out to Claremont Scott to Tamble
as a friend of mine he life between lives is
his place anyway, and so on the way there, she said, Richard,
you know I never told you this, but I was
molested as a kid. And I was like, what you know?
I knew her family. I was like, wait a minute,
why how come I didn't? She said, well, we're going
to be doing this six hour thing and it might
come up. I went, okay. So she put it on
a list of questions, like she didn't specifically say this.
She just said, what's up with this relationship? And so
now here we are four hours into it, and she
and Scott says, okay, what's up with this relationship? And
then she said, oh, oh, I see. I'm a teacher
of a classroom on the other side, and this person
is one of my students who came to me and said,
I really need to learn this lesson in negativity. Would
you help me to learn that lesson? And so I
agreed that this would be a way for him to
learn those the trauma that he caused, because you experience
all the trauma that you caused when you're in your
life review and then afterwards you're driving home. And she said,
oh my gosh, I have spent thousands of dollars on
psychotherapy over this. And in the moment that I realized
that I planned that play, it all disappeared. It dissolved.
And so I've heard that so often in the research,
which is we're playing a play, a character on a stage.
Nobody can hurt you on stage or in a movie.
A lot of people get shot up in whatever in
a movie, but then they you know, cut get up
and they get off the makeup and then they see
the person who shot them and they're like, hey, you
want to go get a beer together? And then they'll say, oh,
you know you overacted on that. I thought that was
really kind of creepy what you did. And you're like,
wait a minute, you asked me to play this role.
I mean you're the.
Speaker 1: One that's playing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're upset. You know. Romeo doesn't say
to Juliet off stage, like why did you drink the poison?
You know? Or Othello or Iago or all those characters,
and that's it does bug people when I say it,
because my wife included, you know, like is this not
just a play? Try not to just say that. It's
like like I.
Speaker 1: Say it's I say it's a game. I say it's
a play. I say it's a movie. I mean Yoganandak says,
all I see all the all I see in life
is movies. That's all it is. That's all this life
is for me is a movie. Yes, my favorite one
of his favorite, my favorite quotes is like people get
so caught up with what they see in a movie theater,
what they see on the screen. They get emotional, they
get tore up by the action, and the horrors they see,
or the heartbreak or this thing, and they get caught
into it, he goes, But what you need to do
is change the focus from the screen to where the
light is coming from and look at the projector and
look that way and see where they are.
Speaker 2: Oh that's brilliant, Yeah, yeah, because what are they? Ones
and zeros? Here we are ones and zeros on a
monitor talking about these things. I'll tell you. I went
to see West Side, west Side Story of Revival and Broadway,
and somewhere in the middle of I don't know the
second act, I've found myself crying, you know, tears coming
down my cheeks, and I thought, what am I doing?
I have seen this a million times. I know it's that,
but I realized in that moment I was involved with
the human drama and it caught emotions, and then the
actors and the writers and all of that is in
that emotion creation. So that we can share that moment
of catharsis that we can go through it.
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Speaker 2: And so you know it, this will apply to you
in a small way, which is when I did my
first hypnotherapy session. Like I said, I didn't think I
was going to get anywhere. But here I was talking
to my counsel and so one of the questions I
had asked, in case I got anywhere, why did I
choose me? And suddenly I was saying, oh, they're telling
me that. I said that I thought that I could
help people, heal people with film. I said, tears require catharsis,
but they inevitably change the disposition of a person. But
you can heal a person faster with comedy because the
little change their disposition instantly. And Robin Williams, of course
has proven that many many, many times, you know, to
heal people. But I and then I said, I just
wish I had chosen somebody more successful at it. And
the hypnotherrapist left. My council laughed and I could hear
laughter on both sides of the veil after I said that,
which was so strange, you know, Thervist laughing and you know,
my council laughing. But I now I realize, and that
was about twelve years ago, and now I realize, Oh,
it's not about that bottom popular atom. It's not about
the vanity of the success it's about focusing your work,
like what you're doing now, like you were born to
do this, and before you even got on stage, you went,
now I can do that, Alex, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to do that. I mean, I'll tell you what, Richard,
it's so fun talking to another filmmaker because both of
you and again like we've walked on similar paths. Is
that as a filmmaker, you know, I always wondered why
I got so close. I was in the room multiple times,
I was talking to the biggest movie stars in the world,
the projects were going to go, and I kept going,
why did this take always fall short? Like why? I mean,
I had chances to direct big things, big TV shows,
big things, and I'm like it just always fell through.
I'm like, I have more than enough talent, I have
more than enough experience to do this. And I'm not
being cocky, I'm just being realistic.
Speaker 2: I'm being Oh, I know what you're talking about, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why is that SMO getting it?
Speaker 2: You know? Or like?
Speaker 1: And the worst is because I had a post company,
so I would have you know, a twenty three year
old filmmaker who that got three million bucks to make
their first film, and I'm fixing it for them in
posts because they had no idea what the hell they
were doing. So frustrating, and I always wondered, I'm like,
why would the universe or God give me this want, this,
this urge to do this stuff, this love to do
this because it's a love. I mean, it's something that's
you're infected with when you were when I first saw Ets,
when I got it, and that was the first time
I was able to like, oh, I need to be
a filmmaker. I want to be a filmmaker. I want
to tell stories all that stuff. Why would they give
it to me and get me so close so many
God times, and not give it to me? What's the
purpose is? It's just a life of abuse, because, as
you know, as a filmmaker, we're one of the most
abused creatives out there.
Speaker 2: Well, I can I can say it's this. I've had,
of course, the same experience. I mean, I was fortunate
enough to direct, write, and direct about nine feature films,
all of which you've never heard of, but some of
them some had like that moment that window of like
oh my gosh, it's going to go here and it's
going to be this it's gonna okay. And I had
the same thought many times, which was like, okay, this
is strange. Plus I mean there were films that I
made that went on a shelf because somebody forgot to
sign the contract. Oh yes, you know, and so you
kind of go through that. But listen, once you step
off the stage, once you get into the balcony, and
when you can do it through hypnotherapy, and you can
do it through guided meditation, but once you get on
the balcony and look at the actor you're as you
on stage going through that stuff, you realize that your guides,
your teachers, and yourself who had a hand in saying listen,
I want you to learn these things. I want you
to have the ability to tell a story in this way.
But I need you to focus on this because it's
going to change the planet. It's going to change consciousness,
it's going to heal people. So I applaud you for
doing it.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. But then looking back,
and that only happens when you have been on the
planet a few years, but you can look back and
just look at it all. And being in the film
industry for close to thirty years at this point, and
then becoming a podcaster in that space, I'm like, wait
a minute, my podcast would have never been My filmmaking
podcasts and screenwriting podcasts would have never been successful if
I hadn't gone through all of that, because I was
talking like a veteran who's got trap nol and I
could talk to anybody Oscar winners big because we all
do the same thing. I don't care how big you are.
There's a camera, there's an actor, there's a script. We
all go through the same problems it's about. I don't
care if it's two hundred million dollars, two dollars. It's
all the same without that, right sover, So, all of
that that prepped me for that show, and then based
on those seven hundred and fifty episodes or eight hundred
episodes I did, our thousand episodes I did of those
shows prepped me for this. And then now as I'm
moving forward, you know, going down, because I wouldn't have
been able to do this show without that show. It
just would So now all of that starts to make
more sense than you're like, oh, but I also kind
of needed the background of a post guy of a
director of media understanding all that because that's where we're
all going. And without that information and that knowledge, I
wouldn't have been able to do start the show in
three weeks, without the technical ology I picked up along
the line, so that it all seems so when I
look back at it, I go, oh, this was all
perfectly orchestrated. I might have not been happy with the
way it turned out, But if at twenty six I
would have gotten that big job that was a twenty
million dollar movie working.
Speaker 2: With we wouldn't be talking.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't have been talking. I would have self destructed.
There's no question twenty six year old me would have
never been able to handle the success of Like that's
why I'm in awe of sometimes when you see these
young directors who have these monster hits, I'm like, how
do they handle it? Like it's so much energy? But anyway,
that's that's the way. It's all perfectly structured that way,
So an understanding. Now, obviously, having all these conversations over
the years with people on the show explaining to me
the other side, explaining to me the Divine Council, the
sole blueprint why we're here, all that kind of stuff.
It all starts to make perfect.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you if if and I'm the
same way, of course, you know I have projects that
are still out there, still knocking on doors. You now
ten they offer you a picture which now puts you
and would you just walk away from all of this work?
Speaker 1: No, because there's a different thing now, because I don't
need that anymore in the way that I needed it before.
So in other words, it's tomorrow someone Hollywood knocks on
my door and goes, hey, I have one hundred million
dollar project. You could do whatever you want. You have
car you're Chris Nolan. You're Chris Nolan right now, You've
got a blank check and you make a movie about Oppenheimer,
which makes no sense whatsoever. That that's you know, but
that's that's the genius of Chris Nolan. But if they
gave me that, I know from my experience that that
isn't what I'm gonna get. You know, there's gonna be
strings of changes, you know, there's gonna be people on top,
but there's one hundred million dollars and you don't have
the juice or the clout that a Chris Nolan does,
you know, And everybody, no matter how big you are,
unless you're James Cameron, maybe do whatever. Who could.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about those two guys for a second.
Which is one is Interstellar, which of course is based
on science, as you know very much so and you
know the whole thing of the Tesseract and coming back,
and you know it requires you to realize that he
was the angel, the ghost that his daughter was seeing.
And so once you allow that that's possible, then that
takes you over to Jim Cameron, which is if I
know people will work with him. And I've heard it
many times. You know, Terminator was a dream that he had.
He saw all the aspects, but the avatar in the
world of the Nabby is all part of something that
he's aware of. That he said, multiple dreams where they've
taken him to other dimensions to show him this material.
Now I'll just give you one unusual. So I was like,
Jennifer Shaffer reached out to me this medium who works
in Manhattan Beach Jennifer Shaeffer dot com. She we were talking.
She calls me up and I say, well, what is
a medium? And I didn't know what that is? And
she said, oh, I help find missing people. And I went,
wait a minute, do you want to work on the
most famous missing person case and history? And she went,
I'm in. Didn't even ask me what it was. So
I took my camera over to her office. I thought, oh,
it's a great way to prove whether she's accurate or not.
And for three hours I talked to Emilia Earhart, who
I had spent thirty years working on her story.
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Speaker 2: She was telling me things, not only that I knew
that no one knew. I had just come back from Saipan,
where she had been incarcerated those details. She told me
things I couldn't know. For example, I, so, how did
you die, Amelia, and Jennifer said, she says dysentery and
I said, oh, okay. And then she said, without me asking,
those two gis who dug me up only found an arm.
Now I knew that there was an obscure book in
nineteen sixty three by Fred Gerner which said these twogis
had dug her up in Sipan during World War Two
at the request of their COEO. Nobody really knows that
it's just not common knowledge. But I said, what wait
a second, they only found an arm. I get off
this meeting. I'm driving away from our office. My head
is swimming. Did I just talk to Melia for three hours?
Phone rings as an NTSB investigator from Seattle who says, Rich,
I just spent five hours with this top secret material.
Everything you've told me about Earhart is accurate. It's in there,
he said, except when they dug her up, they only
found an arm, which is literally what I had just
heard from Amelia herself. And about six months later I
found an article in the Chicago Tribune nineteen seventy seven.
These two guys said, you know, when we dug her up,
we only found a parchful ribcage and an arm. Anyway,
my point is you can hear new information from people
off planet if you ask the questions, if you focus
on that material.
Speaker 1: So one thing I wanted to so we were talking
about James Cameron, who's one of my favorite filmmakers of
all time. And I always tell people like, there's when
Avatar was created, and it's going to go into what
we were talking about. On the other side of a second,
when he created Avatar and he walked into the studio
and said, Hey, I need three hundred million, four hundred
million to build this, to take this risk on building
this new technology, all this stuff. I go, there's no
other human being on the planet. Literally, no one, not Spielberg,
not Nolan, not Peter Jackson, not George Lucas, nobody who
could have gotten that deal. There's just nobody, nobody on
the planet who could have been given a blank check
essentially to develop, develop a new ip, to develop all
this stuff, to do what he was supposed to do.
And I would and I would say that there's no
other human being that could bring that story to the
world the way he has brought it because there's nobody
else who has the wealth of technical knowledge and heart
and writing capability, all the things that his counsel probably
has to create that. So that idea was given to
him and brought to him because he was no there's
literally you always tell people are like, yeah, could Martin
Scorsese have made Avatar? He would have made a pretty
interesting one. Could Spielberg made an Avatar, he'd probably make
a play.
Speaker 2: You know that story of how Jim got the film Titanic.
He brought a forty foot model into the board room
and he said, Romeo and Juliet on that ship, and
that was the pitch, That's all it was. And they
went for it based on that. But they saw the
thing well. I was going to mention this saying about Jim,
which is he was good friends with my friend Bill Paxson.
And Billy and I knew each other when our careers
began and his rocketed off and mine whatever, but we
stayed friends. And at some point while I was filming
Jennifer talking to Amelia Earhart, she said, somebody's here named Bill,
and he wants to talk to you. He had passed
away a few days earlier. My head was spinning, but
I asked him about twenty questions only he could answer,
Where did we meet? What were you doing when we met?
He was doing aliens? You know, what's it like over there?
And she said this, he's showing me. He's in a
bathosphere and we're traveling down in the ocean and we're going.
She didn't know who he was. We're going somewhere and
I'm seeing a ship, you know. And Bill took that
trip with Jim down to the oat bottom of the
ocean many many times to go see The Titanic. I mean,
of course he filmed it once at one point, but
so I took that and I had two other mediums,
and one time I wasn't even there. I just had
them ask the same questions. I wasn't in the room
asking Bill the same things. And so there's a movie
called Talking to Bill Packsad. It's on Amazon, and it's
unfortunately shot in cafes and restaurants and wherever I was,
because I ran into these people and they go, your
friend Bill is here, and I'd be like, oh, wait
a minutelet me turn on my camera. What does he
want to say? Can I ask him some questions? So,
you know, it's interesting because Jim and Bill were very close.
And initially when Bill came through, he was saying to me,
you know, you need to reach out to Jim. You
need to talk to him. There's a project that he
wants to do, and I want to tell him he
needs to folk you know, blah blah blah. He had
all these things for him, and I'd be like, dude,
I am, I have no idea how to reach him.
So who knows, Maybe he's a fan of your podcast.
So all they got to do is watch talking to
Bill Paxson on Amazon and you'll hear what Billy had
to say.
Speaker 1: You know, Richard, I'll tell you something I've had. I've
had people reach out to me or tell me that
they're fans of the show. That my mouth dropped at
the floor, like I can't believe that person watches me.
Speaker 2: And that.
Speaker 1: Happened in the filmmaking space, for sure, I would have
filmmakers who would reach out to me. I like, I've
been watching you for years now. I'm like, are you
at what?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you what you're watching me? Mind blowing, mind blowing stuff.
But on this show, I have friends of mine who
are like, oh yeah, I was just talking to this
person and this person she was telling me that she
saw me on your show. I'm like, what, I grew
up with her? Are you kidding me? Like?
Speaker 2: What is?
Speaker 1: It happens all the time, So there's I doubt there's no.
I completely have the belief that Jim or his wife
or someone would watch this. Steven's people will watch it.
One day, someone will watch these shows and reach out.
I think that will happen.
Speaker 2: But I hope she is saying it's insane because I'm
as I found um saying with Jennifer, because you know,
my audience is a lot smaller than your audience. But
I try to say to Jennifer, we're working for one
hundred years from now, So one hundred years from now,
people will dig up our podcasts and go, oh my gosh,
these people had it right. You can talk to people
off camera, off stage, and you can ask them questions
and learn new information from scientists who have now a
perspective of how to heal the planet that they didn't
have when they were on the planet. That's what makes
this worth doing.
Speaker 1: Bill Richard, let me ask you. I want to dig
into the Divine Council a little bit, because the Divine
Council is something that I've talked about a lot on
the show because of the near death experiences. We talk
about them. But I'm familiar with the Divine Council. I'm
familiar with the Life Review all anything in near death.
I've done like one hundred and ten near death interviews,
so wow, I've done plenty. But with the Divine Council,
we really haven't dug into them really deeply, like you know,
wise figures or light beings or something can you dig
in a little bit on I mean, we have talked
a little bit about the purpose of them and where
they come from. But what other insights can you give
us on the Divine Council in a soul's in a
soul's journey here, what they do specifically, and the other characters,
by the way, we'd love to talk about the spirit.
What's the difference between a spirit kid and a Divine
Council member? What is the difference between angels angels and
then just other souls that hang out?
Speaker 2: All right, well, let me just give you a really
quick like what did you say a one minute.
Speaker 1: Over sixty second six second?
Speaker 2: So people come into existence somewhere off this universe. That's
what people say. Like one guide described it as two
photons come together and then we watch over them a
little bit like the movie Pixar the Soul. The Soul
O great movie and and watch Over the Souls. But
which of the way? But by the way was inspired
by Joe Rant who had passed away. It picks our
founder and he's told us on our podcast that he
was instrumental in that film. But so and so now
you go through those classes. We talked about him where
you go through your university and you incarnate and you
learn things and you overcome, and eventually you graduate. And
I asked a guide, so what is that about? And
he said, well, I went through all of my lifetimes
and when I graduated, I was given a graduation gift
of a new soul, and that was you, Richard. So
my guide referred to me as his graduation gift. And
now he watches over all of my lifetimes and I
can ask him to join and show up and again,
because time is so different over there, it's not like
a big deal. Remember twenty five years, it's like five
or ten minutes. So we can talk about all of
my journeys, let's say, and then you graduate from being
a journeyman to being perhaps a guide or a teacher
or a council member. And now remember each guy, teacher,
council member has their own guide, They have their own teachers,
they have their own counsel. So it goes on and
on and on and up. Councils have counsels. It's very strange,
but you can ask these questions to council overs. So
when I saw that in Michael Newton's work, he talked
about these wisdom makers. And then they started showing up
as they have in your work, and I thought, well,
why don't we ask them questions? And so I sort
of honed it down, and in the book Divine Councils
in the Afterlife, I give a very simple guided meditation
where I ask a guide is it okay to talk
to the council? And then I ask are we inside
or outside? That's the next question. And people will sometimes
say I'm in a grove, or I'm in a cathedral,
or I'm on an outer space, but it's like a place.
And then I'll say how many people are here? And
the average is between five and fifteen. If somebody says
there's like a thousand people here, I'll say, okay, well
can we talk to your counsel. Your guide knows what
I'm talking talking about? What is it okay for you
to talk to your gut to your council. Sometimes, rarely
people will say they're telling me, no, it's not information
I'm supposed to know.
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Speaker 2: But like I said in the book Divine Councils, they
after everybody and then I say, okay, let's start with
the hummin here here, and they'll say, oh, there. So
many are sitting in chairs. Sometimes they're in a circle,
sometimes they're sitting on different rocks whatever, by a tree.
I'll say, go to the person on your far left,
let's ask them now, is that a male? A female?
A light? Sometimes I'll see a light and then I'll say, okay,
it's hard to talk to a light. So I'll say,
can you manifest as a person or some kind of
avatar so we can have a conversation, and they do,
And then I can say, so, what's an name you
can I can use for you? Or a letter, because
sometimes they'll say my name is too hard for you
to comprehend, So a letter, okay, X, my name is X.
And then I can refer to them. And now we
go down the row and each person, each council member,
I say, how did you earn this role on this
person's council, because that's how they got there. Each one
represents a different quality, like the seven muses. Each one
represents a different quality of your journey, not everybody's journey.
Speaker 3: But then I kind of ask, kind of like in
set out, well, those are stage experiences right as opposed
to like courage.
Speaker 2: But let's say, so, let's say the first person I
talked to is courage. I represent courage, and then I
can ask, so, how did you earn that role? Did
this person have a courageous lifetime? And They'll say yeah,
as a matter of fact, And then I'll say, can
you show it to them? And now the guide or
the council member is showing them a lifetime back in
the fifteenth century when they like went over the cliff
and you know, save the whatever, and the person gets
to see that and experience that, and then I go,
let's go to the person on your left. Now, listen,
some count people have retained a certain amount of their ego.
So some council members find this inappropriate to hear me
rich come up and ask these goofy questions. So I
always start with can I ask you a question? And
then the answer lets me know what kind of questions asked?
You know? Really, I'm busy. Do you really have to
ask me a question? You know? And then the next
person goes and I kid you not. I always ask
are you familiar with me or my work? And most
often they say yes. Richard we are, and I go,
how do you know about me? Because this person I'm
talking to has never heard of me, never read any
of my books? How do you know? And they go,
and I go, is it like around the cooler? You know,
the council cooler? Are they talking about? And I've heard
this more than once, which is we've heard that you
go around and asking a lot of questions. We're talking
about it. And sometimes on a council somebody will say, Richard,
I talked to you a year ago. You know, in
your world, I talked to you before when you were
talking to somebody else. I'm the same person, but on
a different council, you see. And so the other thing
is council members can so let's say they represent courage.
I'll ask, do you represent courage on other councils. Sometimes
they say yes, a few. Sometimes they say you know, five,
ten twenty, Sometimes they say ten thousands, Sometimes they say
more than you can imagine.
Speaker 1: So these so they moonlight on other councils, That's what
you're saying.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they moonlight. And sometimes they don't represent the same
thing on other councils. They just show up and they're
like really wise people. So look when how you see
a council, Well, anybody can see their counsel today. Now
if they want to general process is before you, before
you incren it. They go, so tell us what's it
gonna be, how's it going to work? What are you
going to accomplish? And you swear that you're going to
accomplish what you were set up to do. And now
for them, it's fifteen twenty minutes later. For you, it's
seventy five years on earth. And now you go back.
So you beat him before you show up, and you
beat them when you leave, and they go, so how'd
you do? And you now go, oh, my gosh, I
was so great. I donated money to people. One guy said.
They asked me, like, who did I help? And I said, oh,
I gave per percentage of my bank account to like
charity and they said no, no, no, who did you help?
And he was like, I don't know what you're asking
And they showed him. He was on a bus and
a woman was crying and suicidal and he put his
arm around her and said everything's going to be okay.
And that moment changed her life, changed her family, changed
her trajectory. So you don't really get to see the
good that you do until they show it to you.
David Bennett terrific book Voyage of Purpose about his near
death experience. University of Virginia studied him, he probably had
him on the show, and he talks in Hacking the
Afterlife that journey. But if you remember in his whatever
after life review, his life review, he had two experiences.
One was a really happy one where this cranky lady
constantly was bugging him and he really determined, I'm going
to make her laugh and I'm going to make her smile,
and he did that, and they showed him how that
changed her family and their children. So that reflective like
almost like a wave that went out. But they also
showed him when he got in a our fight in
Texas with some guy who had come on to him
and he said to the bartender, like you let these guys,
and that caused a terrible fight, and he had the
experience of, you know, a first person of being the
guy beaten up and experience of that humiliation and that trauma,
which is what people report in their near debt and
their life review. So if you've been a rotten person,
you're going to see that in your life review, but
and a feeling at firsthand. So think about how difficult.
Like Kenneth Ring, Doctor Kenneth Ring talks about a guy
who saw himself in one of those accidents where the
guy got out of his car and started beating the
heck out of somebody. But in the life review, he
was the guy being beaten, and he could see himself
looking down. You know, he could taste the blood and
the humiliation and the broken teeth and that trauma. It's
not like people get off Scott free. People all do
go home, but you will experience all the negativity that
you've caused. So no time like the present to go hey,
let me fix that, right.
Speaker 1: So then with guys like you know, Genghis Khan or
Alexander the Great these, I mean, what is that life
of you?
Speaker 2: Now? Why would you mention Genghis Khan.
Speaker 1: Because he's one of the greatest mass murderers of all time.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I get to the Hitler question quite a bit.
I'm sure you do too, What about I'm sure so
I always say, Look, I wouldn't want to talk to
him in life. Why would I want to spend five
minutes interviewing on the flip side so during one of
our podcasts and you can search for it hacking the
Afterlife Genghis Khan. Jennifer said, Genghis Khan is here. I'm like,
do you know who that is? She's like no, But
he introduced himself and I said, okay, I know. I said,
what are you doing here? And he came to tell
us about the process. He said that. I said, you know,
so why did you Why were you so nutty? He
said he had a mental illness and the last seven
years of his life he didn't sleep, so he was
so paranoid constantly of being attacked that he just murdered
everybody that came near him. And I said, so, what
was your life review like? And he said it was awful.
And then I've had many lifetimes since trying to recover
from it. He said, I even tried to be a
monk in one life that didn't work, and then he
had other lifetimes. And I've heard this from another person
who caused a lot of mayhem, that he wound up
in a Japanese prisoner of war camp in World War Two,
and all the terrible things that he had done to
other people happened to him. So that doesn't mitigate that
he killed forty million people in Asia in twelve seventy seven.
But what's fascinating about this tale is that I asked
him where he was buried. People don't know, and he
told us, he said, I'm not They cut off my
head and threw it in a lake, and they buried
my body in the sand so that no one could
find him. And it is a mystery, like where's Genghis
Khan Berry? You know, it's just one of those goofy
things according to him, you know, from the source I listen,
it was a mind bending thing. I knew enough about
him to ask those questions about his journey and his life.
And you know that one fifth of Asians are blood related. Yeah,
and he said, well, let's hope they have the good
qualities of mine as opposed to the bad ones. That
was his joke.
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Speaker 2: So even Genghis can tell jokes on the flip side.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you something, Richard, from your point
of view, because you have so much, you have such
a depth in this space. I've been told multiple times
about this concept that took me a while to figure it,
to wrap my head around that there is no past
life or future life, that all lives are happening at
the exact same time.
Speaker 2: And I know I've heard that too.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 1: It's not linear. It's kind of like a plate system
records going up and down.
Speaker 2: Well, let me clarify that, because I've asked the question
many times, including to people who said that while they
were on the planet, and to say, okay, is that
your experience? And doctor Grayson points out that even people
who have near death experience who say everything was simultaneous,
there is no time they had sequential events that happened
like at first I saw my mother, and then I
saw my father, and then my pets came to see me.
Things happen in sequence. So I asked the guy to
explain it to me. He said, well, think of a
string in front of you, and on that string are
all your lifetimes and they go from left to right.
Because otherwise you wouldn't learn anything. It would be like
groundhog Day. You wouldn't learn anything. It would just continue
go over and over. But they're in sequence and they
are linear. However, when you turn the string to your eye,
it looks like they're all simultaneously and it's like a
three D chess game where you see, oh, in that
lifetime in Genghis Khan land that influence to who I
am now, or these acts influence these other lifetimes. So
the real thing is is that people experience as if
there's no time. And what they're really saying is I
had this experience where it felt like time doesn't exist.
I've heard it many, many times for many different people.
This idea, this rubric of twenty five years on Earth
is five or ten minutes to them. Because I was
talking about somebody who had died one hundred and sixty
years ago and they had come forth and said, you know,
I think people should investigate this. And I was saying, why,
you know, it's ancient history, and they said, you know,
to you, it's ancient history. To us, it happened last week,
and we don't feel, as they put it, truth sets
people free on both sides of the veil. So but
the time element, I know, that's what people say. All
I can say is it's consistent in the data, in
the research. In people who you can talk to and
say does time exist? And they'll say, well, it does exist,
but so relatively different from what your experience is it's
impossible to explain it. As one person said, you step
off stage and suddenly you're traveling in a frequency that's
let's say, a thousand times different than where we're at.
And if you want to communicate with someone, it's almost
like slowing your supersonic jet down to talk to somebody
in a VW van that has the windows rolled up
on a bumpy road. You're trying to impart something usual,
maybe a word, but for you on the other side,
it's slowing it way way, way, way, way way down.
My wife had a dream where she saw Luana Andrews,
the actress I'm a while ago, who came to hear
in a dream, and my wife said, you died twenty
years ago. How can you do that? And she said,
think of eleven eleven. I slow my frequency down from
where I'm at to one side of a fence that's
one eleven, and you, because you're asleep, are speeding your
frequency up so that you can communicate with me, and
we meet over the decimals. We like the fence that's
in between us. That's where we meet and can have
a conversation. That's why people the filters are off when
you're sleeping, when you're taking hallucinogens, when you're doing hypnotherapy,
you're elevating your frequency so that you can communicate with
people on the other side, and they listen. For centuries
people tried to communicate, and we've been saying, no, we can't.
You're dead. I can't talk to you. Even when you're
having a dream. If you say something like but you're dead,
they'll disappear. It's because you're the frequency is not matching theirs.
So that's the key, is to allow that it's possible.
And I'll give you one quote from Harry Dean Stanton,
remember him, the great actor, great skeptic. I knew Harry
very well. When he passed. I had a session with
him at Jennifer Schaeffer and I said, so, Harry, what
was it like as an atheist to realize life goes on?
He said, tell people that life continues. And I said, Harry,
no one's going to believe that I talked to you.
All your friends are atheists and skeptics. It's going to
his memorial. So he gave me three private messages, health
related issues and he had me go and tell these
people stuff that only Harry could know, so they were flabbergasted.
He also described his death scene, how many people were there,
and how he was greeted by a child that he
was supposed to have in the sixties but didn't, and
the child showed him unconditional love. When I'm at his memorial,
I said, how did Harry die? And this woman said, well,
there were five women in the room, which he had
said And I said, did he say anything weird? She said, yeah,
he looked at me and said, hand me the baby,
but there was no baby in the room. But what
Harry told me to tell people, and I'm repeating it now,
believe in the possibility of an afterlife, so then you
won't waste your energy arguing about it like I did.
It's great advice. But anyway, that thing about time, I listen.
I know it's a conundrum. I know people say time
doesn't exist. If you wanted to reincarnate and go back
and go back to the fifteen hundreds, you'd have to
ask everybody involved, your guides, your teachers, your council members,
your classmates, to take a page out of your life
to go back and redo it, and all of them
are like, oh, well, imagine hurting all those cats. I
know you always asked to go back here. But you
can go visit. You can go visit your previous life.
You can go visit that era. You can actually go
and see step into it. You can do that and
guided meditation just walk right back into that era. But
you can't alter things. However, this is the kind of
usual conundrum. You're altering your reality by visiting your past,
because when you visit the past, you see how things
are not that important that you're worried about now. So
visiting the past alters your present, and by altering your present,
you change your future because you're no longer worried about death,
You're no longer worried about anything. In terms of the
props on stage, because when we leave the stage, we
drop the props and costumes and go back home. That
percentage of your conscious energy that you bring to the stage,
it's between twenty and forty percent. Generally, you pack it
up in your suitcase and take it home.
Speaker 1: Richard, what about the concept of the ascended masters, that
Jesus is the Buddhas the yoganandas the saint Germain's what
are there? Have you spoken to any of them other
than Jesus, let's say, because I'm gonna have you. I'm
gonna have you back to talk about Jesus in a
whole episode because that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's I just wanted to squeeze him in
there because he's a funny guy.
Speaker 1: But generally the ascendant masters, I mean, from my understanding,
they all have the same thing we do. They're just
souls that are and look to hear what you think
that they've broken the cycle, let's say, or they decided
I've learned everything I've learned at this university. I don't
need to come back anymore. If I don't want to,
I can go to the next place above this, or
I love it so much here that I'm gonna come
back and help, like the Jesus is, like the Buddhas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, well the Bodhisa for val as you know,
I will return. However, Yes, have I talked to the avatars.
I've talked to so many. I mean, it sounds silly
to say, but yes, we've talked to quite a few.
And sometimes there are avatars I didn't even know there
were an avatar. We were in an astrophysics class on
the flip side. Jennifer Shaffer's father, who had passed away,
was saying, you know, I'm taking this class, and I said, oh,
show it to us. And we go to the class
and there's a teacher there and he says, now, don't
be to his daughter. Don't be freaked out by the teacher.
And so now we get up to the teacher and
I'm the gadfly. I ask questions, who are you? What's
your story? As she reveals herself takes off her cape,
you realize she's telling me she's got eight arms, and
I'm like, oh, you have eight arms? How do people
refer to you? And she said, they call me Ma?
And so now I take that research back to my
Hindu philosophy people and I say, who's an eight armed
teacher named Ma? Well, that's Mot Durga. So now I
go back to Jennifer, who doesn't know what I'm researching,
and I said, now can I have your whole name?
And Jennifer says, her name is mot Durga. That's what
people refer to her as. Now, are you referring to
somebody who lived on the earth with eight arms or
are you referring to a teacher that you've met on
the flip side who has eight arms? You see? So
I've met Krishna. I've met people who say, oh, there's
this blue person standing in front of me, and I go,
what's the name he goes by? He's saying Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Yogananda. I.
You know, Jennifer didn't know Yogananda, but I wanted to
ask him questions about his autobiography, like how did he
manifest his teacher when he went in back to his
hotel in Mumbai and saw his teacher sitting there in
his bed, Like what happened? And he described it in
great detail.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2: We've interviewed song Kappa, who was the Tibetan who's considered
a Buddha in Tibetan Buddhism. We've interviewed the thirteenth Dalai Lama,
mainly because I've I've traveled extensively in Lasa and Tibet,
and I'm very familiar with Charles Bell, who was the
guy who befriended the thirteenth Ali Lama so I wanted
to interview Charles Bell, and during that interview, I said,
can we interview the thirteenth because you see, we only
bring a portion of your conscious energy here. So if
you can access the time frame or the floppy disc
as Stephen Hawking called it, of when I existed, all
the information is in that disc, all the ones and darros,
all the math, so you can access that conscious energy.
So same goes with anyone who's ever been on the planet.
So why are avatars different. Well, the first time that
we interviewed Jesus, I was saying I'd never asked him
a question before, and this was the third medium I
was talking to. Said, you know, he's in the room,
and she was crying and couldn't breathe, and so I
just I thought, well, this is strange. I don't sense him,
I don't see him. I said, can he come closer
to you? And she was like gasping for breath, And
I said, I ask him a question, and she said,
he says yes, And I said, dude, what's the matter
with you? Why are you causing this reaction of people?
They can't breathe, their faces turned red, they start crying.
Now I asked it that way to challenge, like, is
this a belief that they're tossing at me or what
is it? And his answer was, I brought more of
Source with me to this lifetime, and when people are
close to me, they feel that unconditional love of Source,
which is a non denominational answer if I've ever heard one.
He didn't use any of that language, you see, and
since then he's repeated so. But you know, when he
said that, I said, not so much with the Romans,
and he laughed, and Jennifer said, oh my gosh, I
don't know what that means. Not so much to the Roman,
but he's laughing. My mind was blown. I not only
was able to ask him a question but also to
get him to laugh. And so since then, and this
is true, I just want to say it all avatars,
they're not that serious of people. They know who they are.
Speaker 1: Are.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh no, you know, Buddha was probably with
the one who was the most unusual interview. And we
did an interview with both Buddha and Jesus in the
same podcast, and that's in the book The Greatest Story
Never Told is Told by Jesus Knows. It's called Buddha
and Jesus walk into a bar, and the idea is
you can ask questions to anybody that's been on the planet,
and you try to set aside all of the dogma
and all of what you've been told about who you
can ask and what you can ask. Yoga Nanda over
your shoulder. I'm sure he's been to visit you, and
if you do a guide meditation, we can ask him
what's up? And what are the lottery numbers for this Friday?
Speaker 1: Well without the lottery numbers. I actually I think you
and I have been doing similar work, but I use channels,
so channels channel. I've had had Buddha on the show.
I've had Jesus multiple times. I've yog on the show.
I've had Baba G show up, which was my mind
blowing when I had Baba G show up the energy
and that you could feel the room change. When certainly
I've had Saint Germaine on the show multiple and I
asked them quite just like you, I go, Man, wasn't
it tough walking around twenty five hundred years ago? Buddha
and you're trying to talk to people who just don't
even understand what one plus one is two and you're
trying to teach them about these higher level teachings and
they're just like this is ridiculous. Same thing for Jesus,
and they'll go, yeah, it was tough. It wasn't easy
like it. It was a rough It was a rough
go of it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's really you know, and I think it's
fascinating to ask the question. We asked Padmas and Baba
what it was like for him to go to Tibet,
and he said it was wild. So you know, and
I know what he's talking about because I've been to
like the caves that you know, he went to visit,
and you think, oh man, that much. You know, the
year whatever, it was eight hundred when he was there,
six hundred, I don't know anyway, just mind bending stuff.
But the good news is the really cool thing is
that there's no one that we can't communicate with. I mean,
you know, if there are people who don't want to
talk right, they're busy, or they find this level of
conversation like you know, like a sandbox, like kids in
a sandbox asking questions like enough, already, stop bothering me. However,
those ones that like you mentioned, are who care about
humanity and care about the planet or or whatever. Care
about answering questions. I've found. I mean, I really have
never had somebody say I won't answer a question. They
may they'll say, I if I answer that question, you
won't understand the answer. I'll tell you. The best question
that I've heard was my friend. The skeptics asked, She said,
I don't believe any of this stuff. I said, okay,
well you're going to a hit. The therapy session asked
a question. She said, all right, what or who is God?
I thought, oh, that's a good question. So she got
to a point she was talking to a guide, and
the guide said, look, God is beyond the capacity of
the human brain to comprehend. It's not physically possible for
the brain, for the human brain to understand too many levels,
too many dimensions. He said, however, you can experience God
by opening your heart to everyone, into all things. And
I realized that was a oceanic experienced comment, like a
mathematical formula. It's almost impossible to comprehend. How do you
open your heart empathy, compassion to everyone. But he also
didn't say just everyone, He said all things? And why
would he include things. It's because everything is a construction
of consciousness. So if you open your heart to everything
thing you see, that's when you can experience that oceanic epiphany,
et cetera.
Speaker 1: Richard, We're definitely going to talk again in the future.
That I that I can see already. But I'm gonna
ask you if you I love. I'm going to ask
a few questions, ask by guest, kind of like a
rapid fire. Please, a few questions. What is your what
is your definition of living a fulfilled.
Speaker 2: Life, living a fulfilled life doing what you said you
came here to do.
Speaker 1: If you had a chance to go back in time
and speak to little Richard, not little Richard, but little Richard, Yeah,
what would what would you tell him? What advice would
you give me?
Speaker 2: Would I tell little Richard I would say, oh my god,
he played with the Beatles and Billy Preston, Little Richard,
I would say, uh, you know. I of course, now
in retrospect, I see all of the things that happened
to little Richard are totally related directly to this right
now where we are. Yeah, okay, but yes, I understand
the question. But little Richard, it would be you know,
love is all there is. I mean, that's when I've
heard so many to you've heard, and I'm sure you
know it is true. It is that's the engine of
the fricking planet. So if that's love, then whatever, what
more do you need to know?
Speaker 1: How did you find God or source energy?
Speaker 2: That's the best definition I got, And I'm glad I
was able to say it. Open your heart to everyone
and all things. Now, we have talked to Robin Williams
a number of times. I had met him in life,
I had dinner with him, and so I was finishing
the book Hackney Afterlife, and I cut out the chapter
about him because it was all about me meeting him
and me and Robin, Me and Robin. And I met
with Jennifer the next day and she said Robin Williams
is here. I was like, oh, really, like where? And
she said, he's here because he wants you to put
his chapter back in your book. I had not told anyone,
I'd pushed the lead. He was there in the restaurant
telling her to tell me to put his chapter back
in my book. So I did. And now when the
book was finished, I said, well, let's ask Robin for
a blurb for the cover. You know, a sentence like,
you know, hey, I love this booty anyway. And what
did he say? He said two words love, love, meaning
love yourself, love, What love is, love who you are.
Love is the only reason to be on the planet.
The love love. It was so brilliant love. Love.
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: Robin Williams, I'll give him that last say, which is
to love, love, to find love, to give love, to
understand what love is. It's interconnectivity, it's openness, it's empathy.
You know. We people describe an incredible afterlife of creating
any object that you can imagine, traveling to other universes,
any food, any taste, any imaginable CGI avatar experience. You
can do that on your own. We had Carl Lemley
show up and tell us that, and I said, so
why do you why do you come back? Why do
people come back? He said, Eh, when you when you're bored,
that's when you decide to come back. So when you're
bored with creating everything on the flip side, we come
back here to do what to give, love, to share, love,
to be loved.
Speaker 1: And Richard, where can people find out more about you
and the work that you're doing in the.
Speaker 2: World, Richmartini dot com. Our podcast is Hacking the Afterlife.
If we could just get a fraction of your viewers
to come over. It's on YouTube as Martini Zone or
and you know, I've got twelve books out there bestseller
and their kindle categories, but you can find them all.
And the movies are flip side Hacking the Afterlife and
talking to Bill.
Speaker 1: Backs beautiful, beautiful and do you have a party, any party?
Message for the audience.
Speaker 2: What a what a treat and what a delight to
have someone like Alex be awake in his lifetime to
find the way to do this. And if forout for
people out there struggling and having a hard time and
trying to figure it out, just try to be open.
Because Alex found his way to doing the thing that
he was born to do, and you too can find
the thing that you were born to be.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have said it better myself, my friend, Thank
you so much for coming on the show, Richard. It
has been such a pleasure talking to you. I look
forward to our next conversation, my friend. Thank you for
helping awaken the planet, my friend, Thank you. I like
to thank Richard so much for coming on the show
and sharing his findings with all of us. If you
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