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your awakening. Now let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views

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and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the

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of this show, its host, or any of the companies

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they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome Richard Martini,

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who is a researcher of the afterlife, near death experiences,

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divine awakenings, out of body experiences, and trips over to

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the flip side as he calls it, and he does

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a lot of work within contacting the divine counsel of

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your soul. This is a eye opening, just awesome conversation. Guys,

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let's dive in, like to welcome to the show, Richard Bartini.

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How are you doing, Richard?

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Speaker 2: I'm great? Alex, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? My friend? Thank you so much for

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doing this and coming on the show.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say this is such a treat for

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me and I've had so many people reach out to

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me and say, why aren't you on his show? His

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show is the best show. And so when Bob Thurman

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gave me a shout out on your show. I was like,

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people wrote to me and were like, oh my god. Anyway,

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so I'm honored to be here. You've had everybody and

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their brother on their show on your show, and you

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have a huge audience that we should all wish to

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have on our podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I appreciate that very very much. It's been

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a humbling journey, to say the least, doing this show,

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as you can imagine, coming from filmmaking as you have

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as well, you come from the same You and I

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have walked over the same corpses, you know, over the

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same battlefields if we have the shrapnel from working in

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Hollywood for many, many years. From there to the spiritual

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space is a large, large jump, and very very large jump.

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And from a filmmaking podcast to a spiritual podcast without

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having a spiritual awakening, near death experience gone to the

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top of the Himalaya is just truly just curious about

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what we're talking about. It's been a ride, and from

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what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure its about your journey of course, because whenever you people,

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you have so many interesting people on and then they

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talk about themselves. May I say whether it's supposed to

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as supposed to, but I mean in my case, and

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of course, because I do a podcast, Hacking Afterlife, where

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we talk to people you know quite a bit. I

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have publicists reach out to me and they say, can

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I get my client on your show? And I say,

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I'm really sorry, but the only clients we talk to

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our off planet. So when your client is no longer here,

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happy to talk to him or her, Oh my good.

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But I'm curious. I am curious about your journey. And

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I mean, I don't want to go down. I'm not deflecting,

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but I'm curious. Who how did you go from a

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filmmaker to a spiritual guide.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you, I'll give you the one minute, like

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the sixty second talk about that, because I've talked about

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it on the show before, and I've had done other

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interviews that I've gone deep into it. But basically, my

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spiritual guide here on Earth, she's been with me for

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twenty six years, told me I had to do a

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spiritual podcast. And I said, you're insane. Why would I

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do something like that. She's like, no, it's time, you

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need to do it. And I said okay, and she's like,

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you have three weeks to put it all together. I'm like, why,

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because that's Easter and that's gonna be a good time

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for you to launch. So I was like, I get

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you're you're insane. Yeah, it can never happen. And she's like,

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nobody could do that. She's like, absolutely, you're right, no

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one could do that, but you can't. And I said,

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all right. So three weeks later, we had guests, we

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had we had a trademark. I mean, it was all done, website,

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the whole thing. I did it all myself and got

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the ball rolling and that was April of well, Easter

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some kind of a connection with spirituality? And you can

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Speaker 1: I've always been interested in this, Richard, I've always been

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I'm a recovering Catholic, so I've i've you know, I've

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I started down that path didn't really make sense to me,

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with a lot of the dogmine stuff and the fear

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based stuff that I didn't like, but I liked a

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lot of the cool stuff like that Jesus guy seemed cool.

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I was introduced to Yogananda, and then I went I

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started going down more of the Eastern philosophies, Eastern teachings,

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she and she h again. She would give me books

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to read that just you know, had started exploding, and

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books that were ahead of the time that I needed

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to read them. But start planting seeds.

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Speaker 2: So probably you maybe have talked about it, but you know,

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Elvis was a Yogananda fan and it changed his life.

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Speaker 1: And the Beatles as well. George Harrison, George Harrison was

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Speaker 1: Yogananda's on Sergeant Pepper the cover of Sergeant Pepper.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't realize. I live a few a few

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of Sergeant Pepper's on the Sergeant Pepper album we have Yogananda,

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Baba g here In, Mahashai, and Shwa. All four of

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them are on the cover of and and from what

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to put on the cover and those were all George Harrison's.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's very good. Well, I you know, I gotta

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I grew up. I was an alterate boy. Actually learned

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the Mass in Latin and then they'd switch it over

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to English. And I was like, oh, come on, really,

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I have to learn this again. And my uncle was

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seth and you know able go out and populate the world? Arcane? Sorry?

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you know you're asking too many questions. But that section

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of the Bible is metaphor. And I went, oh, oh,

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you mean somebody wrote it to give you an example

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of Oh. And then suddenly in my head everything was metaphor.

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go to church anymore. And they were like, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: They were cool with it. Well, I mean there's that

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whole you know, the Earth. It's only around six thousand

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years old according to the Bible, and and that's it.

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don't like to talk about those, you know.

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and it's been in my Bayluick and I don't know

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if we were going to talk about it, but I

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will just bring it up. Jesus shows up a lot

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in near death experiences.

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Speaker 1: Now I say, I hate I say he's the hardest

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working man in show business. I always say that the people.

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Speaker 2: I was just my friend. Doctor Bruce Grayson wrote a

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book called After, which is really a fantastic, wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, Bruce is on.

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Speaker 2: Sorry and so there you go read Who's you know?

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I have to watch? Anyway, Recently he gave a talk

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at the International Association of Near Death Studies, which I've

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spoken at quite a bit, and he revealed things that

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he left out of the book After and some of

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the details he left out were like eighty five percent

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of the people who have a near death experience report

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meeting Source or God, and that they use the terms

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indescribable joy, unconditional love, or non judgmental acceptance. And it's

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those terms are show up a lot in the flip

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side research. But beyond that, he said that fifteen percent

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of near death experiences people report seeing Jesus, whether they

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believe in him or not. And in the past fifteen

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years of me filming people either under hypnosis, during a

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guided meditation, or with mediums, he's shown up more than that,

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let's just say. And the former head of Paramount Studios,

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David Kirkpatrick, reached out to me and said, you need

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to write a book about these interviews, and so I did.

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And this book the greatest story ever told that painting

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by my great uncle Titiano should it's stories of people

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who report talking to him. And I've filmed people talking

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to him live you like it's a guided meditation. It's

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very simple, and they say I'm seeing Jesus, And then

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I'll say, how do you know it's him? Is he

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wearing a name tag? And then they say, I just

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know it, I feel it. And a lot of times

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they're not Christians and they'll say to me, this is

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I do the podcasting thing that you do, which is

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: And if the answer is yes, then I ask the

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same questions. And it's something doctor Grayson mentions in his

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book After you can get objective dates from subjective experiences

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if you ask the same questions of people who are

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experiencing something identical questions, so I can say based on

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that parameter, Jesus says very often, the Bible is metaphor.

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I thought. That's funny. The Bible is metaphor. He said,

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all religions point to the same garden, which is pretty profound.

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allow me to walk beside you as we walk each

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other home. You've heard that from ram Das. You know,

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we're just so here he is quoting Rob DAWs in

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this weird way, but he says it repeatedly. So I've

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asked him me him, I'm asking somebody who's seeing him.

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I can't see him, but they're saying, I'm seeing him here,

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and yes, he's answering your questions. And I've asked him,

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why are you He gives an alternate story of his life,

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of what happened, of his journey, and it ain't in

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the book, but it is in my book. But he

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gives an alternate story, and I've asked him, why are

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you giving us this alternate story of your life? And

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his answer twice with different people, was Richard, it's not

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alternative if it's true. And I went, oh, my gosh,

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that's so deep. You should be a philosopher, and he

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said I was one once, So Richard, let me.

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Speaker 1: So let's start. Let's start, because there's so much I

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people what drew you to the afterlife, to doing this

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just scientist in Washington, DC. And I always asked the

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same quest, can he change into something more conducive to

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conversation because people when they see him there, they lose

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their breath. Their faces turned beat red. And she said, Okay,

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he's changed into jeans and a T shirt, which is

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what he always changes into, no matter who sees him.

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And I think to myself, does a guy have no

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clothes in his closet? Like, what's going on? But in

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this case, I asked the question, can you see anything

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on his T shirt? I'd never asked that before. Why not?

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grateful dead.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, So he's a funny guy.

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us together, which I love. I think that's fantastic. Is

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that a very dear friend of mine, Lawana Anders, actress

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who had been in over three hundred TV showsen movies.

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Were We met at USC Film School and we've we

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were together for twenty years. She passed away in my

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arms back in nineteen ninety six. She started showing up

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in my dreams at first, and then I could hear

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her voice and then she would appear. I could see

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her clearly as a younger person. And then other members

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of my family saw her. And when they started seeing her,

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I thought, well, that can't be me making that up

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because they're reporting the same things I'm seeing. And so

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I start I thought, well, there's got to be a

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if she can come and visit us, how do we

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go visit her? So she had been a Buddhist, so

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I started studying Buddhism. I thought maybe that's the key.

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and I took his auditors class at Columbia and that

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led to trips to India. I led to a trip

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into Tibet. There's a fun documentary which is on YouTube

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for free, Journey into Tibet with Robert Thurman. I follow

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him around Mount Kylash. But all those things for people

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familiar with Buddhism, they know that, you know, there's not

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a finite supposedly, there's not a finite person. However, my

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experience was different. I was talking to my friend and

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people were seeing the same person. So literally that person

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still exists, not as a wisp of smoke, you see.

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And so I dove into this work and I've ran

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into Michael Newton, who was a hypnotherapist in Los Angeles,

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and for thirty years he had been doing these hypnotherapy

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sessions and gathered all of that into a book called

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Journey of Souls. Subsequently, after talking to Grayson and the

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University of Virginia, who was saying, well, you know, hypnosis

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is not a valid tool of science, I found that

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doctor Helen Wamba also did like three thousand clinical case

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studies where she eliminated bias in her work. You familiar

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with doctor Brian Weiss. He's had four thousand cases. So

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I was able to gather data which reflected what I

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was experiencing, and I began filming people. I asked Michael

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Newton if I could film people under hypnosis to see

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if that process was okay, and at first they said well,

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he said, I'm retired. I don't really do that anymore.

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give you my last interview, which is an odd thing

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to say because he was sixteen years still on the planet.

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But I filmed him for this documentary called Flip Side,

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and it was somewhere during that week when I was

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filming people under hypnosis saying the same things about the

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afterlife that somebody suggested. Paul Orn, the former president of

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that group, said rich why don't you try one? And

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I thought, oh, what a perfect way to prove it

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fake or false. I didn't think there was an afterlife.

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I didn't think I would be under I could do

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hypnosis all misnomers. Listen, if you can talk to the dead. Somebody,

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Philip Noys, the film director, introduced me to somebody, said hey,

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this is Richie. He thinks he talks to the dead.

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I said, no, Philip, I talk to people who talk

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to the dead. So in my case, I'm now filming

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myself and it's in the documentary. I'm filming myself accessing

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previous lifetimes, accessing my friend who is on the flip

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side looking at me, like, what are you doing here?

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How did you get here? She's surprised to see me.

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I try to focus on new information, stuff that I

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couldn't have made up. You know, whether it's something your

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grandmother is wearing, you know, and you see them in

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a dream or a vision. You can revisit that vision

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through guided meditation and take a look at their clothing.

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Is it something you know? If it's not, where'd the

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clothes come from. You see, if you're making stuff up

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about a loved one, they should look the way they looked.

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But generally most people when they see a loved one

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during hypnosis or guided meditation or even with mediumship that

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when they show up, they usually show up younger and

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healthier and thinner. It's like they've gone through the CGI machine.

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But so in my case, I've I focused on really

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since about fifteen years now, I've focused on. First it

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was hypnotherapists, and I was just filming them, not asking questions,

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and somewhere five or six years doing that and coming

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out with Flipside and these documentaries. I got contacted by

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a medium, Jennifer Shaeffer Manhattan Beach, works with law enforcement.

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I was I didn't know what a medium was, and

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I asked her. I said, so, what is that you do?

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And she explained it to me. She'd work with Bill Bratton,

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a former head of LAPD and NYPD, in solving missing

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person cases. And I thought, oh, well, this is where

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she's like a cell phone to the other side. So

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I started working with her as a cell phone and

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for eight years, every week we spend an hour together

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talking to people off planet. Sometimes our friends of mine,

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close friends. For example, I was said Carl Weathers memorial,

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the Director's gill two days ago, Carl wonderful friend. We

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wrote a screenplay together, and two days after he passed.

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I said to her, I'd like to talk to my

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friend Carl. She only works with the first name, and

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she said, okay, he's here. She didn't recognize it. So

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I'm going to look over on this screen because I

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put it up just in case we talked about Carl.

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I said Carl, and I told this to his family

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at the memorial. I said, Carl, what is it you

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want to say? And he said, I had a magnificent life.

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Jennifer then said was he a director? I said yes,

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he was. I said, I want to ask you about

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rand Randall, his friend Randall, who is Randall Kleaiser, who

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directed Greece. Randall put Carl and his first television show.

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She said, oh, okay, he wants to say thank you.

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And it feels like Ramball put him on the map,

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which was true. And then to get into it, he

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just said that he The most important thing he said

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is that life is like a blink, that it happened

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so fast that people and I asked him specific questions

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about all of his friends, from Jon Favreau to Adam Sandler,

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Arnold Schwartzenegger, each thing, Sly, each thing I used their

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first name and Jennifer for example, with Arnold, she said

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he's saying he could still beat him arm wrestling, which

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was in the movie Predator, which Jennifer didn't know until

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I mentioned Sly's name, and then she went, oh, my gosh,

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it's the boxer. You know. She then saw him clearly.

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Speaker 1: Right back after a word from our sponsor, and now

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back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, My point is this, look, I'm not doing magic.

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This is anybody can do this. I'm just a filmmaker.

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I just happened to stumble upon the idea that people

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have filters on their brain when they're born. Some children

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don't have them until the age of eight, and they

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can remember past lifetimes and see people that others cannot.

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My kids did that. I'm sure you've seen people or

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heard people say that, you know, their kids are like

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telling me about my previous lifetime. But Grayson noted that

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elderly people lose the filters too. In a study in

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the UK, seventy percent of the people hospice care. People

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with dementia patients said their memory spontaneously came back, and

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as Grayson noted, it's like the atrophy brain kills the

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filters and they see people that others cannot see. And

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so I've realized that basically what I'm doing is filming

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people bypassing those filters. Grayson talks about them in his

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book After But there are filters that block information, not

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conducive to survival, that we shouldn't be looking at, paying

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attention to. But sometimes we can, and sometimes we do.

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You know, mediums are people who have got screwy filters,

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filters just don't work properly. Then you have dreams with

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the filters are off and you're seeing people that used

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to exist and hearing. Of course, everything said in a

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dream is telepathic. You're not hearing sound, but you are

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hearing sound. And then you have people who use hallucinogens.

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I'm sure you've heard that. DMPT studies like that right,

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taken off the filters. Like I say, I've been filming

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for people for fifteen years using hypnotherapy or guided meditation,

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and this is where it's really interesting. In the past,

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I don't know, maybe five or six years I had

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a friend reach out to me who had done a

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hypnotherapy session, and she was, you know, she had six hours.

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These are six hour sessions, four to six hours, and

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during her session she had an amazing journey. And the

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reason I noticed because she was a total skeptic, total atheist.

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She only agreed to do the session because her doctor

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said it would be good for her to relax, and

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a film producer, you know, sort of worked out all yeah,

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big personality. But there she was instantly talking to people

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on the other side, meeting guides, talking to an Akashak

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librarian who everybody. Everything that she said was so interesting.

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But so now about eight years later, I'm having lunch

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with her and I said, so do you recall She's like,

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I vaguely recall that stuff. I don't really remember it.

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And I said, well, would you like two and over coffee?

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I just said, well, let's picture yourself in a boat

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on a river and we did the Beatles meditation, as

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I call it, and I asked her guide to come forward.

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And I had met them before, you see, and plus

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I had transcribed the session, so I'm very familiar with

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what they said. And we brought them all back within

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a few seconds, like they were waiting to talk to us.

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So the book divined councilors in the afterlife. And this

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was with her help. She knew about twenty scientists, clergy

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doctors who had all done guided meditation. None of them

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were aware they had guides or counsels or teachers they

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could talk to, but they had all done guided meditation,

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so it was like they had already already bypassed the filters,

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you see. And so I did a zoom session with

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each one Harvard neuroscientists, a kira with a sakira or

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is it akila? I forget, but anyway, he let me

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use his name. He didn't care. He was talking to

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his council, every person in the and I thought it

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would be a percentage, like so many would be able

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to access this, No, all of them. And they all

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met guides, teachers, council members that they didn't know they

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could talk to. And each council member has some quality

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that you've earned in a lifetime. So if you have

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like fifteen council members, you've been around a lot. If

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you have like three or four, maybe not so much.

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But each one has a quality like courage, wisdom, loyalty,

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creativity exactly. And so it's it's a fascinating journey. But

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now here's where the weird weird. So recently I was

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at the Contact in the Desert thing. You know, you've

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heard about that. That's where people talk about aliens and stuff. Oh,

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copy of my book. Oh there's my piano. Sorry, Closing

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Counters of the Flip side kind, all right, on a

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phone home. I was when I was seventh grade. I

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was doing a science project and my nun, speaking of nuns,

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gotta love the nuns, sisters of Saint Casimir. She assigned

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me a friend of hers who was a professor, to

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help me with my science project, which won the state

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fair back in seventh grade. His name was Jay Ellen Heinick.

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Jay Allen Heinick was responsible for writing Project Blue Book

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while he was at Northwestern University. He's the guy who

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invented the term close Encounters of the third kind. And

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so when I saw the movie there he is in

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the movie smoking his pipe, and I went, oh, my god,

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that's my seventh grade science teacher. Well, his son is

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a scientist, teaches at Pepperdine, and he was quite a

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big spokesperson at this contact in the Desert conference. So

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I took the opportunity to not only interview Paul, to

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do a guided meditation with Paul. I left it up

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to him who he wanted to talk to. He wanted

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to talk to his father, who was off the planet.

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We did an hour long conversation where his father said

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the same, said like things about me, called me persnickety,

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weird word because I asked too many questions. Now, I

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took that information to Jennifer Schaeffer on our podcast. You

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can you know, we can dial in his name, search

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his name, you'll find it. And I said, I wanted

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00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,880
to speak to this person. She didn't know who was.

471
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:39,799
I said, uh, you know, I I'm familiar with your

472
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:41,519
son and I would like to talk to you. And

473
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,160
we had an hour long conversation where he called me

474
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,400
persnicketty again, as well as confirmed all the details that

475
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,319
his son had said. You know, the time when he

476
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,720
came to he felt him in the room when he

477
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:57,279
was like playing with a puppy, you know that sort

478
00:27:57,279 --> 00:28:01,480
of thing. So it's it's a anyway. But back to

479
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:04,240
the reason I mentioned this is because people talking to

480
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:10,160
their councils sometimes anywhere from five to fifteen people. There's

481
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,039
people who don't normally incarnate on the planet. Sometimes that

482
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,240
freaks people out. They're going along a line because I

483
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,400
asked them to go along the line left or right?

484
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,880
Who's here? You know? Oh, it's my grandfather, or it's

485
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,920
this wise being, or it's an angel. I mean I

486
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,559
can see you know. They talk about what they can see.

487
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,759
I can't see him, but they can, and then they go, Okay,

488
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,960
this is weird. Somebody not from here. And I ask

489
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:43,359
the same questions, who are you? Are you a tourist,

490
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,160
are you just stopping by this council or have you

491
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,720
been watching over this person's life for many lifetimes? And

492
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,720
sometimes they say, well, this person and I are friends

493
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:56,880
back on my planet, and that's where I know this

494
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,680
person from.

495
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:01,839
Speaker 1: And that's when that's when they're record scribes to a halt.

496
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,599
Speaker 2: That's right. So I know that Michael Newton's Institute, which

497
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,799
has been around and they've had eighty thousand reports that

498
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,480
thirty over thirty five percent of them include memories of

499
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:20,119
lifetimes off planet on other planets. So your friend rich,

500
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,839
who is you know a little bit crazy himself? I

501
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,160
asked the same questions, and so I'll I ask, you know,

502
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:32,559
let's say that I asked this one fella, clearly not

503
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,359
from this universe or realm. I said, have you ever

504
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,440
incarnated as a human? Some people have? And he said,

505
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,000
I wouldn't stoop so low. Now, the person I was

506
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:49,839
talking to as a scientist, and they thought they were

507
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,759
just you know, it was disconcerning to hear that to them.

508
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,240
I don't know why he said that, but you know,

509
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,240
that's what he said. So anyway, I try to focus

510
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,880
on new information. That sentence itself is new information to

511
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,000
most humans who would think really like, isn't this the greatest?

512
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:11,160
You know? But it's a difficult, dense place that has gravitate.

513
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,440
There's constant fighting. If you're a warrior, you can either

514
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,799
the bench or you can be in the scrum. You

515
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:22,440
can get out there and you might like that, and

516
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,880
that might be your choice. And this is the key

517
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:29,839
element of what is that I'm talking about in this

518
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,160
or what I've discovered to myself, which is incarnation is optional.

519
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:40,279
I filmed enough people recalling their life planning process and

520
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,480
you can see them in the movie's Flip Side and

521
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:47,599
Hacking the Afterlife, where people recall the event of talking

522
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,839
to their guides and having the guides pitch them, pitch,

523
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000
you know, pitch them this idea. I think you should

524
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,079
be this guy. And you say, I did that in

525
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:00,519
a Viking era. I don't want to be the drunk

526
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:02,480
uncle again. I don't want to play that role.

527
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:06,839
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

528
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,240
And now back to the show.

529
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,319
Speaker 2: And the people who are asking you say, oh, but

530
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,960
you're so good at it, you would really be please

531
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,200
help me. And yet this relativity thing is that twenty

532
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,880
five years on Earth for people on the flip side,

533
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,319
they report it's like five or ten minutes. So if

534
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,720
you're asking someone to show up for five or ten

535
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,759
minutes to play this role, that's going to teach you

536
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,559
lessons or help you overcome actions or karma that you've

537
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,400
had in previously, and they can help you. You may

538
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,440
say yes, but you can opt out, defer, or say no.

539
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,200
And that is as you know, as you know, contrary

540
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,599
to the whole idea of being trapped on a wheel

541
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,279
that we have to get out of because if you're

542
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,440
if it's optional to get off the wheel or to

543
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,319
get on the wheel.

544
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to my understanding. After all of my research

545
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,000
of interviewing so many people in this space and from

546
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,759
all walks of life on the show, I understand that

547
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,160
it isn't that you have to come back, that you

548
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,119
eventually choose to come back to clear up karma, because

549
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,599
it's a debt that you have on you. Whether you

550
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:24,359
want to deal with it now five hundred years, thousand years,

551
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,000
twenty thousand years up to you. There's no real time

552
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,599
on the other side, So you choose, but you eventually

553
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,400
want to choose because you want to go to the

554
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,079
next level. You want to you want to evolve, and

555
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,359
you can't evolve without incarnation. Well, excuse me, let me

556
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,039
phrase that, you can evolve without incarnation, but it's a slower,

557
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,640
slower like this is like a This is completely a

558
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,000
PhD level experience where you're going to learn a lot,

559
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,519
very fast, very intense, where it might take you ten

560
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,640
to twenty times that time on the other side. That's

561
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,200
my general understanding.

562
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,359
Speaker 2: Would you wan, well, let me give you a lovely

563
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,599
quote on that which came from somebody saying the Earth

564
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,759
experience is the show. It's like being in the major leagues.

565
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,759
You can spend five hundred years on some boring planet

566
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:16,079
where nothing happens. But you can learn more from tragedy

567
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:19,880
in one day on Earth spiritually then you can in

568
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,799
five hundred years on some boring planet where nothing happens.

569
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,039
Now you know our experience is like give me the boring. Really,

570
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,960
I just want to chill, like, no more drama. Okay,

571
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,319
that's optional. But all your friends. And this is the

572
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,119
other part, which is when you choose to come on stage,

573
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,559
you aren't by yourself. You have a whole theater of people,

574
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:45,319
actors who are volunteering and saying, I want to play

575
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,000
your grandfather. Really, yeah, I want to play your best friend.

576
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,880
I'm going to play that role that's going to hit

577
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,519
you in the car, that makes you get out of

578
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,240
your journey and does do something else. So can I

579
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:01,119
play that role? Or you cast and you're like yeah,

580
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,359
you and you and you You're great. Anything you want

581
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,119
to do is great with me, Like what do you

582
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,159
want to learn? And your counsel is in front of

583
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,320
you while you're pitching your life. I mean, I have

584
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,039
one guy in Hacking Afterlife. He saw the journey, as

585
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,840
he said, it was like being in the Akashak library

586
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,559
in the microfiche section, and he was scanning through all

587
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,960
of his lifetimes, stopping and going, oh, I screwed that up. Yeah,

588
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,559
I want to learn that karma. I want to fix that. Yeah.

589
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:30,519
And then he went out and pitched, and he said

590
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,719
it was like standing in the Hollywood Bowl and he

591
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,199
was pitching to this front row of counselors who are

592
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,360
all kind of you know, doing doing that thing of like,

593
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,079
I'm not so sure that's you said that the last time,

594
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,760
and then everyone in the auditorium volunteering to participate, and him.

595
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,519
Speaker 1: That is that the sole group though? Or is that.

596
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,039
Speaker 2: The councilors on the front. Yeah, Well, you know, I

597
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,199
try not to use that term. I know Michael Newton

598
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,760
used it a lot. Sole group. Problem with it is

599
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,280
being a musician. Soul is a great word for music

600
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,599
and a great word for food, you know, of the heart.

601
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,400
But I prefer the term conscious energy because we only

602
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,000
bring a portion of who we are to the play.

603
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,159
That the rests what everyone reports that the rest of

604
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,559
us is back home going good job or not that

605
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:23,159
person you know rooting for us, and Chris you wonder

606
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,760
like why are they not here when I really need them?

607
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,000
Or why am I not here? But still, So soul

608
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,920
groups are really like these different I call it a classroom.

609
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:38,079
So for example, you remember going to grade school, you had homeroom,

610
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,320
and everybody took attendance, you know, and I know where

611
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,400
you were in the alphabet, and I know where I

612
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:46,079
was in the alphabet, you know, and you go down

613
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,440
the thing. And now those people in that classroom, some

614
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,280
of them are friends, some are not. And then you

615
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,000
might wind up, you know, being in another class with

616
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,199
them during the day. You might play sports with them,

617
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,119
you might become best friends with them. But they are

618
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,559
just your class room associates. And those guys may all

619
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,360
girls and guys. They may all be signing up to

620
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,360
learn lessons that you're learning as well, and with loyalty

621
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,599
or courage or whatever. And people talk about the themes

622
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,000
of the classroom. But you know, in Michael Newton's terms,

623
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,639
he used the word soul group. But it got people

624
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,440
crazy because they would see like people they hate in

625
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:28,320
their soul group, and they'd see their family like somewhere else,

626
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:31,079
like an affiliated group. But I think of it as

627
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,079
a home room. In the homeroom, you got all these people,

628
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,480
and then and then when you go home, you got

629
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,039
the family and the remote control and you know, playing

630
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:41,199
basketball with your brothers.

631
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,599
Speaker 1: That makes a lot more That's a great analogy. That's

632
00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,000
a great, great analogy. It makes a lot more sense

633
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,000
than that, because, yeah, there's a lot of people who

634
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,519
are like, Okay, I'm gonna be your abusive uncle this year, this,

635
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,920
this lifetime, or I'm gonna I'm going to abandon you

636
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,920
as your mom because you need to learn this lesson.

637
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,719
And it's hard for people to wrap their heads around that.

638
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, especially when it comes to I'll give you an example.

639
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,599
I mean, this is the tough topic. I have a

640
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,599
friend who said I want to do one of these sessions,

641
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,480
and so we drove out to Claremont Scott to Tamble

642
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,159
as a friend of mine he life between lives is

643
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:19,599
his place anyway, and so on the way there, she said, Richard,

644
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,960
you know I never told you this, but I was

645
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,360
molested as a kid. And I was like, what you know?

646
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,440
I knew her family. I was like, wait a minute,

647
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,719
why how come I didn't? She said, well, we're going

648
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,760
to be doing this six hour thing and it might

649
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,400
come up. I went, okay. So she put it on

650
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,519
a list of questions, like she didn't specifically say this.

651
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,519
She just said, what's up with this relationship? And so

652
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,599
now here we are four hours into it, and she

653
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,159
and Scott says, okay, what's up with this relationship? And

654
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:50,840
then she said, oh, oh, I see. I'm a teacher

655
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,480
of a classroom on the other side, and this person

656
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:57,320
is one of my students who came to me and said,

657
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,679
I really need to learn this lesson in negativity. Would

658
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,320
you help me to learn that lesson? And so I

659
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,360
agreed that this would be a way for him to

660
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,239
learn those the trauma that he caused, because you experience

661
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,840
all the trauma that you caused when you're in your

662
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,880
life review and then afterwards you're driving home. And she said,

663
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,440
oh my gosh, I have spent thousands of dollars on

664
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,400
psychotherapy over this. And in the moment that I realized

665
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,079
that I planned that play, it all disappeared. It dissolved.

666
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,440
And so I've heard that so often in the research,

667
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:38,559
which is we're playing a play, a character on a stage.

668
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,320
Nobody can hurt you on stage or in a movie.

669
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,320
A lot of people get shot up in whatever in

670
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,239
a movie, but then they you know, cut get up

671
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:51,000
and they get off the makeup and then they see

672
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,679
the person who shot them and they're like, hey, you

673
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,159
want to go get a beer together? And then they'll say, oh,

674
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,800
you know you overacted on that. I thought that was

675
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,880
really kind of creepy what you did. And you're like,

676
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,280
wait a minute, you asked me to play this role.

677
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:05,800
I mean you're the.

678
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: One that's playing it.

679
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're upset. You know. Romeo doesn't say

680
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,159
to Juliet off stage, like why did you drink the poison?

681
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:19,400
You know? Or Othello or Iago or all those characters,

682
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,199
and that's it does bug people when I say it,

683
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,639
because my wife included, you know, like is this not

684
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,880
just a play? Try not to just say that. It's

685
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,000
like like I.

686
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Say it's I say it's a game. I say it's

687
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,679
a play. I say it's a movie. I mean Yoganandak says,

688
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,239
all I see all the all I see in life

689
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,639
is movies. That's all it is. That's all this life

690
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:42,719
is for me is a movie. Yes, my favorite one

691
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,440
of his favorite, my favorite quotes is like people get

692
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,800
so caught up with what they see in a movie theater,

693
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,639
what they see on the screen. They get emotional, they

694
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,440
get tore up by the action, and the horrors they see,

695
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,880
or the heartbreak or this thing, and they get caught

696
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,199
into it, he goes, But what you need to do

697
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,079
is change the focus from the screen to where the

698
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,920
light is coming from and look at the projector and

699
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:04,960
look that way and see where they are.

700
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: Oh that's brilliant, Yeah, yeah, because what are they? Ones

701
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,480
and zeros? Here we are ones and zeros on a

702
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:15,880
monitor talking about these things. I'll tell you. I went

703
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,480
to see West Side, west Side Story of Revival and Broadway,

704
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,000
and somewhere in the middle of I don't know the

705
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,159
second act, I've found myself crying, you know, tears coming

706
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,800
down my cheeks, and I thought, what am I doing?

707
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,360
I have seen this a million times. I know it's that,

708
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,480
but I realized in that moment I was involved with

709
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:41,039
the human drama and it caught emotions, and then the

710
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:45,280
actors and the writers and all of that is in

711
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,039
that emotion creation. So that we can share that moment

712
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:51,960
of catharsis that we can go through it.

713
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,039
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

714
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:00,960
and now back to the show.

715
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:07,119
Speaker 2: And so you know it, this will apply to you

716
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,519
in a small way, which is when I did my

717
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:11,920
first hypnotherapy session. Like I said, I didn't think I

718
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,320
was going to get anywhere. But here I was talking

719
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,960
to my counsel and so one of the questions I

720
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,280
had asked, in case I got anywhere, why did I

721
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,360
choose me? And suddenly I was saying, oh, they're telling

722
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,239
me that. I said that I thought that I could

723
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:35,360
help people, heal people with film. I said, tears require catharsis,

724
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,079
but they inevitably change the disposition of a person. But

725
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:45,199
you can heal a person faster with comedy because the

726
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:48,639
little change their disposition instantly. And Robin Williams, of course

727
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:50,920
has proven that many many, many times, you know, to

728
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,840
heal people. But I and then I said, I just

729
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,679
wish I had chosen somebody more successful at it. And

730
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,400
the hypnotherrapist left. My council laughed and I could hear

731
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,559
laughter on both sides of the veil after I said that,

732
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:10,440
which was so strange, you know, Thervist laughing and you know,

733
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:13,719
my council laughing. But I now I realize, and that

734
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,679
was about twelve years ago, and now I realize, Oh,

735
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:21,519
it's not about that bottom popular atom. It's not about

736
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:26,920
the vanity of the success it's about focusing your work,

737
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,079
like what you're doing now, like you were born to

738
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:34,480
do this, and before you even got on stage, you went,

739
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,719
now I can do that, Alex, I'm.

740
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: Going to do that. I mean, I'll tell you what, Richard,

741
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,880
it's so fun talking to another filmmaker because both of

742
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,639
you and again like we've walked on similar paths. Is

743
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:50,719
that as a filmmaker, you know, I always wondered why

744
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,920
I got so close. I was in the room multiple times,

745
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,559
I was talking to the biggest movie stars in the world,

746
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,239
the projects were going to go, and I kept going,

747
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,519
why did this take always fall short? Like why? I mean,

748
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,280
I had chances to direct big things, big TV shows,

749
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,639
big things, and I'm like it just always fell through.

750
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:09,800
I'm like, I have more than enough talent, I have

751
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,480
more than enough experience to do this. And I'm not

752
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:14,199
being cocky, I'm just being realistic.

753
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: I'm being Oh, I know what you're talking about, you

754
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:16,760
know what I mean?

755
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,679
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why is that SMO getting it?

756
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: You know? Or like?

757
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: And the worst is because I had a post company,

758
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,039
so I would have you know, a twenty three year

759
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,280
old filmmaker who that got three million bucks to make

760
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,519
their first film, and I'm fixing it for them in

761
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:31,280
posts because they had no idea what the hell they

762
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,400
were doing. So frustrating, and I always wondered, I'm like,

763
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,159
why would the universe or God give me this want, this,

764
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,639
this urge to do this stuff, this love to do

765
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:45,400
this because it's a love. I mean, it's something that's

766
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,280
you're infected with when you were when I first saw Ets,

767
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,719
when I got it, and that was the first time

768
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,800
I was able to like, oh, I need to be

769
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,239
a filmmaker. I want to be a filmmaker. I want

770
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,320
to tell stories all that stuff. Why would they give

771
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,480
it to me and get me so close so many

772
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,960
God times, and not give it to me? What's the

773
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,599
purpose is? It's just a life of abuse, because, as

774
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:08,480
you know, as a filmmaker, we're one of the most

775
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,599
abused creatives out there.

776
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,599
Speaker 2: Well, I can I can say it's this. I've had,

777
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:16,159
of course, the same experience. I mean, I was fortunate

778
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,199
enough to direct, write, and direct about nine feature films,

779
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:23,280
all of which you've never heard of, but some of

780
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,880
them some had like that moment that window of like

781
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,960
oh my gosh, it's going to go here and it's

782
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,360
going to be this it's gonna okay. And I had

783
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,320
the same thought many times, which was like, okay, this

784
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,079
is strange. Plus I mean there were films that I

785
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:39,559
made that went on a shelf because somebody forgot to

786
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,000
sign the contract. Oh yes, you know, and so you

787
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:46,119
kind of go through that. But listen, once you step

788
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,960
off the stage, once you get into the balcony, and

789
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,400
when you can do it through hypnotherapy, and you can

790
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,519
do it through guided meditation, but once you get on

791
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,840
the balcony and look at the actor you're as you

792
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:02,360
on stage going through that stuff, you realize that your guides,

793
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,599
your teachers, and yourself who had a hand in saying listen,

794
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,920
I want you to learn these things. I want you

795
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,960
to have the ability to tell a story in this way.

796
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,280
But I need you to focus on this because it's

797
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,599
going to change the planet. It's going to change consciousness,

798
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:26,360
it's going to heal people. So I applaud you for

799
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:26,719
doing it.

800
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,079
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. But then looking back,

801
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,079
and that only happens when you have been on the

802
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,280
planet a few years, but you can look back and

803
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,679
just look at it all. And being in the film

804
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,280
industry for close to thirty years at this point, and

805
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,159
then becoming a podcaster in that space, I'm like, wait

806
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,719
a minute, my podcast would have never been My filmmaking

807
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,239
podcasts and screenwriting podcasts would have never been successful if

808
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,280
I hadn't gone through all of that, because I was

809
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,639
talking like a veteran who's got trap nol and I

810
00:45:56,639 --> 00:46:00,719
could talk to anybody Oscar winners big because we all

811
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,239
do the same thing. I don't care how big you are.

812
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:05,000
There's a camera, there's an actor, there's a script. We

813
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:06,760
all go through the same problems it's about. I don't

814
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,480
care if it's two hundred million dollars, two dollars. It's

815
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:14,119
all the same without that, right sover, So, all of

816
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:18,960
that that prepped me for that show, and then based

817
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,960
on those seven hundred and fifty episodes or eight hundred

818
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,760
episodes I did, our thousand episodes I did of those

819
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,960
shows prepped me for this. And then now as I'm

820
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,400
moving forward, you know, going down, because I wouldn't have

821
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,159
been able to do this show without that show. It

822
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,239
just would So now all of that starts to make

823
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,119
more sense than you're like, oh, but I also kind

824
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:42,440
of needed the background of a post guy of a

825
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,719
director of media understanding all that because that's where we're

826
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,719
all going. And without that information and that knowledge, I

827
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,840
wouldn't have been able to do start the show in

828
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,800
three weeks, without the technical ology I picked up along

829
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,159
the line, so that it all seems so when I

830
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,960
look back at it, I go, oh, this was all

831
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,960
perfectly orchestrated. I might have not been happy with the

832
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,800
way it turned out, But if at twenty six I

833
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,480
would have gotten that big job that was a twenty

834
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,000
million dollar movie working.

835
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: With we wouldn't be talking.

836
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: We wouldn't have been talking. I would have self destructed.

837
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,400
There's no question twenty six year old me would have

838
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:21,519
never been able to handle the success of Like that's

839
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:23,599
why I'm in awe of sometimes when you see these

840
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:27,039
young directors who have these monster hits, I'm like, how

841
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:31,280
do they handle it? Like it's so much energy? But anyway,

842
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:33,960
that's that's the way. It's all perfectly structured that way,

843
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:37,559
So an understanding. Now, obviously, having all these conversations over

844
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,079
the years with people on the show explaining to me

845
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,239
the other side, explaining to me the Divine Council, the

846
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,280
sole blueprint why we're here, all that kind of stuff.

847
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,119
It all starts to make perfect.

848
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,039
Speaker 2: So let me ask you if if and I'm the

849
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:54,440
same way, of course, you know I have projects that

850
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,159
are still out there, still knocking on doors. You now

851
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,719
ten they offer you a picture which now puts you

852
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,440
and would you just walk away from all of this work?

853
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: No, because there's a different thing now, because I don't

854
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,760
need that anymore in the way that I needed it before.

855
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,840
So in other words, it's tomorrow someone Hollywood knocks on

856
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,960
my door and goes, hey, I have one hundred million

857
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,400
dollar project. You could do whatever you want. You have

858
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,320
car you're Chris Nolan. You're Chris Nolan right now, You've

859
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,840
got a blank check and you make a movie about Oppenheimer,

860
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:36,239
which makes no sense whatsoever. That that's you know, but

861
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,480
that's that's the genius of Chris Nolan. But if they

862
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:43,119
gave me that, I know from my experience that that

863
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,719
isn't what I'm gonna get. You know, there's gonna be

864
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,920
strings of changes, you know, there's gonna be people on top,

865
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:49,920
but there's one hundred million dollars and you don't have

866
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,960
the juice or the clout that a Chris Nolan does,

867
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,320
you know, And everybody, no matter how big you are,

868
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,960
unless you're James Cameron, maybe do whatever. Who could.

869
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 2: So let's talk about those two guys for a second.

870
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,280
Which is one is Interstellar, which of course is based

871
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:13,280
on science, as you know very much so and you

872
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,880
know the whole thing of the Tesseract and coming back,

873
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,519
and you know it requires you to realize that he

874
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:25,679
was the angel, the ghost that his daughter was seeing.

875
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,119
And so once you allow that that's possible, then that

876
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:33,480
takes you over to Jim Cameron, which is if I

877
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,400
know people will work with him. And I've heard it

878
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,920
many times. You know, Terminator was a dream that he had.

879
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:42,440
He saw all the aspects, but the avatar in the

880
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,119
world of the Nabby is all part of something that

881
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:51,159
he's aware of. That he said, multiple dreams where they've

882
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:54,840
taken him to other dimensions to show him this material.

883
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,840
Now I'll just give you one unusual. So I was like,

884
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,679
Jennifer Shaffer reached out to me this medium who works

885
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:08,159
in Manhattan Beach Jennifer Shaeffer dot com. She we were talking.

886
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,000
She calls me up and I say, well, what is

887
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:12,719
a medium? And I didn't know what that is? And

888
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,039
she said, oh, I help find missing people. And I went,

889
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:16,639
wait a minute, do you want to work on the

890
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,719
most famous missing person case and history? And she went,

891
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,960
I'm in. Didn't even ask me what it was. So

892
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:25,159
I took my camera over to her office. I thought, oh,

893
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,280
it's a great way to prove whether she's accurate or not.

894
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,320
And for three hours I talked to Emilia Earhart, who

895
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,000
I had spent thirty years working on her story.

896
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

897
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,159
and now back to the show.

898
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: She was telling me things, not only that I knew

899
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,760
that no one knew. I had just come back from Saipan,

900
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:57,840
where she had been incarcerated those details. She told me

901
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,840
things I couldn't know. For example, I, so, how did

902
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,199
you die, Amelia, and Jennifer said, she says dysentery and

903
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,639
I said, oh, okay. And then she said, without me asking,

904
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:14,039
those two gis who dug me up only found an arm.

905
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:17,239
Now I knew that there was an obscure book in

906
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,360
nineteen sixty three by Fred Gerner which said these twogis

907
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,400
had dug her up in Sipan during World War Two

908
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:28,440
at the request of their COEO. Nobody really knows that

909
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:32,800
it's just not common knowledge. But I said, what wait

910
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,320
a second, they only found an arm. I get off

911
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,079
this meeting. I'm driving away from our office. My head

912
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,719
is swimming. Did I just talk to Melia for three hours?

913
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:46,280
Phone rings as an NTSB investigator from Seattle who says, Rich,

914
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,360
I just spent five hours with this top secret material.

915
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,920
Everything you've told me about Earhart is accurate. It's in there,

916
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:55,559
he said, except when they dug her up, they only

917
00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:00,760
found an arm, which is literally what I had just

918
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,239
heard from Amelia herself. And about six months later I

919
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,679
found an article in the Chicago Tribune nineteen seventy seven.

920
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,400
These two guys said, you know, when we dug her up,

921
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,119
we only found a parchful ribcage and an arm. Anyway,

922
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:17,440
my point is you can hear new information from people

923
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:22,639
off planet if you ask the questions, if you focus

924
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:24,519
on that material.

925
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,039
Speaker 1: So one thing I wanted to so we were talking

926
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,639
about James Cameron, who's one of my favorite filmmakers of

927
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:34,760
all time. And I always tell people like, there's when

928
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Avatar was created, and it's going to go into what

929
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,360
we were talking about. On the other side of a second,

930
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:42,119
when he created Avatar and he walked into the studio

931
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:44,199
and said, Hey, I need three hundred million, four hundred

932
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:48,400
million to build this, to take this risk on building

933
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,599
this new technology, all this stuff. I go, there's no

934
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:54,920
other human being on the planet. Literally, no one, not Spielberg,

935
00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,280
not Nolan, not Peter Jackson, not George Lucas, nobody who

936
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,719
could have gotten that deal. There's just nobody, nobody on

937
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,760
the planet who could have been given a blank check

938
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,000
essentially to develop, develop a new ip, to develop all

939
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,039
this stuff, to do what he was supposed to do.

940
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,360
And I would and I would say that there's no

941
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,559
other human being that could bring that story to the

942
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:23,400
world the way he has brought it because there's nobody

943
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,519
else who has the wealth of technical knowledge and heart

944
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,199
and writing capability, all the things that his counsel probably

945
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,199
has to create that. So that idea was given to

946
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,519
him and brought to him because he was no there's

947
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,760
literally you always tell people are like, yeah, could Martin

948
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,000
Scorsese have made Avatar? He would have made a pretty

949
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,440
interesting one. Could Spielberg made an Avatar, he'd probably make

950
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:46,800
a play.

951
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: You know that story of how Jim got the film Titanic.

952
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,840
He brought a forty foot model into the board room

953
00:53:56,159 --> 00:54:00,239
and he said, Romeo and Juliet on that ship, and

954
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,559
that was the pitch, That's all it was. And they

955
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,840
went for it based on that. But they saw the

956
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,559
thing well. I was going to mention this saying about Jim,

957
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,159
which is he was good friends with my friend Bill Paxson.

958
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,679
And Billy and I knew each other when our careers

959
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:18,079
began and his rocketed off and mine whatever, but we

960
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:21,199
stayed friends. And at some point while I was filming

961
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,119
Jennifer talking to Amelia Earhart, she said, somebody's here named Bill,

962
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,039
and he wants to talk to you. He had passed

963
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,719
away a few days earlier. My head was spinning, but

964
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,599
I asked him about twenty questions only he could answer,

965
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,880
Where did we meet? What were you doing when we met?

966
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:40,639
He was doing aliens? You know, what's it like over there?

967
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:44,559
And she said this, he's showing me. He's in a

968
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:48,840
bathosphere and we're traveling down in the ocean and we're going.

969
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,800
She didn't know who he was. We're going somewhere and

970
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,480
I'm seeing a ship, you know. And Bill took that

971
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:56,920
trip with Jim down to the oat bottom of the

972
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,480
ocean many many times to go see The Titanic. I mean,

973
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:03,159
of course he filmed it once at one point, but

974
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:07,199
so I took that and I had two other mediums,

975
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,360
and one time I wasn't even there. I just had

976
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,920
them ask the same questions. I wasn't in the room

977
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,119
asking Bill the same things. And so there's a movie

978
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:19,480
called Talking to Bill Packsad. It's on Amazon, and it's

979
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:23,320
unfortunately shot in cafes and restaurants and wherever I was,

980
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,760
because I ran into these people and they go, your

981
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,280
friend Bill is here, and I'd be like, oh, wait

982
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,440
a minutelet me turn on my camera. What does he

983
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,320
want to say? Can I ask him some questions? So,

984
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,159
you know, it's interesting because Jim and Bill were very close.

985
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,719
And initially when Bill came through, he was saying to me,

986
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,159
you know, you need to reach out to Jim. You

987
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,360
need to talk to him. There's a project that he

988
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,360
wants to do, and I want to tell him he

989
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,039
needs to folk you know, blah blah blah. He had

990
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:51,320
all these things for him, and I'd be like, dude,

991
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,159
I am, I have no idea how to reach him.

992
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,480
So who knows, Maybe he's a fan of your podcast.

993
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,880
So all they got to do is watch talking to

994
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:03,639
Bill Paxson on Amazon and you'll hear what Billy had

995
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:04,000
to say.

996
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: You know, Richard, I'll tell you something I've had. I've

997
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,880
had people reach out to me or tell me that

998
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,639
they're fans of the show. That my mouth dropped at

999
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:16,119
the floor, like I can't believe that person watches me.

1000
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:16,599
Speaker 2: And that.

1001
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:20,559
Speaker 1: Happened in the filmmaking space, for sure, I would have

1002
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,519
filmmakers who would reach out to me. I like, I've

1003
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,119
been watching you for years now. I'm like, are you

1004
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:24,760
at what?

1005
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:25,519
Speaker 2: Like?

1006
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: Are you what you're watching me? Mind blowing, mind blowing stuff.

1007
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,480
But on this show, I have friends of mine who

1008
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,960
are like, oh yeah, I was just talking to this

1009
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,320
person and this person she was telling me that she

1010
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,199
saw me on your show. I'm like, what, I grew

1011
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,159
up with her? Are you kidding me? Like?

1012
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:41,679
Speaker 2: What is?

1013
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: It happens all the time, So there's I doubt there's no.

1014
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,920
I completely have the belief that Jim or his wife

1015
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,880
or someone would watch this. Steven's people will watch it.

1016
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,280
One day, someone will watch these shows and reach out.

1017
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,360
I think that will happen.

1018
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: But I hope she is saying it's insane because I'm

1019
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:03,320
as I found um saying with Jennifer, because you know,

1020
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,440
my audience is a lot smaller than your audience. But

1021
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:11,320
I try to say to Jennifer, we're working for one

1022
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,719
hundred years from now, So one hundred years from now,

1023
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,199
people will dig up our podcasts and go, oh my gosh,

1024
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:19,199
these people had it right. You can talk to people

1025
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:23,880
off camera, off stage, and you can ask them questions

1026
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:29,159
and learn new information from scientists who have now a

1027
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:32,280
perspective of how to heal the planet that they didn't

1028
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,159
have when they were on the planet. That's what makes

1029
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:36,960
this worth doing.

1030
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:39,639
Speaker 1: Bill Richard, let me ask you. I want to dig

1031
00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:41,800
into the Divine Council a little bit, because the Divine

1032
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,679
Council is something that I've talked about a lot on

1033
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,360
the show because of the near death experiences. We talk

1034
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,119
about them. But I'm familiar with the Divine Council. I'm

1035
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,400
familiar with the Life Review all anything in near death.

1036
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,519
I've done like one hundred and ten near death interviews,

1037
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:57,440
so wow, I've done plenty. But with the Divine Council,

1038
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,000
we really haven't dug into them really deeply, like you know,

1039
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:05,519
wise figures or light beings or something can you dig

1040
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:08,599
in a little bit on I mean, we have talked

1041
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,719
a little bit about the purpose of them and where

1042
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:13,360
they come from. But what other insights can you give

1043
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,880
us on the Divine Council in a soul's in a

1044
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:22,199
soul's journey here, what they do specifically, and the other characters,

1045
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:24,000
by the way, we'd love to talk about the spirit.

1046
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,840
What's the difference between a spirit kid and a Divine

1047
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,280
Council member? What is the difference between angels angels and

1048
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,800
then just other souls that hang out?

1049
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,559
Speaker 2: All right, well, let me just give you a really

1050
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:35,000
quick like what did you say a one minute.

1051
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,519
Speaker 1: Over sixty second six second?

1052
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: So people come into existence somewhere off this universe. That's

1053
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,159
what people say. Like one guide described it as two

1054
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:50,519
photons come together and then we watch over them a

1055
00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:53,519
little bit like the movie Pixar the Soul. The Soul

1056
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:57,559
O great movie and and watch Over the Souls. But

1057
00:58:57,639 --> 00:58:59,920
which of the way? But by the way was inspired

1058
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:02,360
by Joe Rant who had passed away. It picks our

1059
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,400
founder and he's told us on our podcast that he

1060
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:09,159
was instrumental in that film. But so and so now

1061
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,480
you go through those classes. We talked about him where

1062
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,000
you go through your university and you incarnate and you

1063
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:17,599
learn things and you overcome, and eventually you graduate. And

1064
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:19,639
I asked a guide, so what is that about? And

1065
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:22,440
he said, well, I went through all of my lifetimes

1066
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,159
and when I graduated, I was given a graduation gift

1067
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:29,639
of a new soul, and that was you, Richard. So

1068
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:33,000
my guide referred to me as his graduation gift. And

1069
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,920
now he watches over all of my lifetimes and I

1070
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,519
can ask him to join and show up and again,

1071
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,599
because time is so different over there, it's not like

1072
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:44,079
a big deal. Remember twenty five years, it's like five

1073
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:46,480
or ten minutes. So we can talk about all of

1074
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,679
my journeys, let's say, and then you graduate from being

1075
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:55,599
a journeyman to being perhaps a guide or a teacher

1076
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,559
or a council member. And now remember each guy, teacher,

1077
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,559
council member has their own guide, They have their own teachers,

1078
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,199
they have their own counsel. So it goes on and

1079
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:11,599
on and on and up. Councils have counsels. It's very strange,

1080
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,239
but you can ask these questions to council overs. So

1081
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,239
when I saw that in Michael Newton's work, he talked

1082
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:20,559
about these wisdom makers. And then they started showing up

1083
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,639
as they have in your work, and I thought, well,

1084
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,199
why don't we ask them questions? And so I sort

1085
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:28,800
of honed it down, and in the book Divine Councils

1086
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,280
in the Afterlife, I give a very simple guided meditation

1087
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,800
where I ask a guide is it okay to talk

1088
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,639
to the council? And then I ask are we inside

1089
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:39,400
or outside? That's the next question. And people will sometimes

1090
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,119
say I'm in a grove, or I'm in a cathedral,

1091
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:47,559
or I'm on an outer space, but it's like a place.

1092
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:50,280
And then I'll say how many people are here? And

1093
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,800
the average is between five and fifteen. If somebody says

1094
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,320
there's like a thousand people here, I'll say, okay, well

1095
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,639
can we talk to your counsel. Your guide knows what

1096
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:02,960
I'm talking talking about? What is it okay for you

1097
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,400
to talk to your gut to your council. Sometimes, rarely

1098
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:10,039
people will say they're telling me, no, it's not information

1099
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:10,760
I'm supposed to know.

1100
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: Rarely, we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1101
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,840
and now back to the show.

1102
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,519
Speaker 2: But like I said in the book Divine Councils, they

1103
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:29,239
after everybody and then I say, okay, let's start with

1104
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,880
the hummin here here, and they'll say, oh, there. So

1105
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,960
many are sitting in chairs. Sometimes they're in a circle,

1106
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:39,920
sometimes they're sitting on different rocks whatever, by a tree.

1107
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,159
I'll say, go to the person on your far left,

1108
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,280
let's ask them now, is that a male? A female?

1109
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:49,400
A light? Sometimes I'll see a light and then I'll say, okay,

1110
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,480
it's hard to talk to a light. So I'll say,

1111
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,599
can you manifest as a person or some kind of

1112
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:57,000
avatar so we can have a conversation, and they do,

1113
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:00,559
And then I can say, so, what's an name you

1114
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:04,079
can I can use for you? Or a letter, because

1115
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,159
sometimes they'll say my name is too hard for you

1116
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:11,000
to comprehend, So a letter, okay, X, my name is X.

1117
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:13,280
And then I can refer to them. And now we

1118
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,320
go down the row and each person, each council member,

1119
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,719
I say, how did you earn this role on this

1120
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,239
person's council, because that's how they got there. Each one

1121
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,360
represents a different quality, like the seven muses. Each one

1122
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,960
represents a different quality of your journey, not everybody's journey.

1123
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 3: But then I kind of ask, kind of like in

1124
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:42,199
set out, well, those are stage experiences right as opposed

1125
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:44,039
to like courage.

1126
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,119
Speaker 2: But let's say, so, let's say the first person I

1127
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:50,199
talked to is courage. I represent courage, and then I

1128
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:52,679
can ask, so, how did you earn that role? Did

1129
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:56,199
this person have a courageous lifetime? And They'll say yeah,

1130
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,400
as a matter of fact, And then I'll say, can

1131
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,920
you show it to them? And now the guide or

1132
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,679
the council member is showing them a lifetime back in

1133
01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:07,039
the fifteenth century when they like went over the cliff

1134
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,519
and you know, save the whatever, and the person gets

1135
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,679
to see that and experience that, and then I go,

1136
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,239
let's go to the person on your left. Now, listen,

1137
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,559
some count people have retained a certain amount of their ego.

1138
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:24,760
So some council members find this inappropriate to hear me

1139
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:27,880
rich come up and ask these goofy questions. So I

1140
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,760
always start with can I ask you a question? And

1141
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,519
then the answer lets me know what kind of questions asked?

1142
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:36,320
You know? Really, I'm busy. Do you really have to

1143
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,960
ask me a question? You know? And then the next

1144
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,199
person goes and I kid you not. I always ask

1145
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,960
are you familiar with me or my work? And most

1146
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:48,440
often they say yes. Richard we are, and I go,

1147
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:51,039
how do you know about me? Because this person I'm

1148
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:53,320
talking to has never heard of me, never read any

1149
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,960
of my books? How do you know? And they go,

1150
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,039
and I go, is it like around the cooler? You know,

1151
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:04,280
the council cooler? Are they talking about? And I've heard

1152
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,760
this more than once, which is we've heard that you

1153
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,440
go around and asking a lot of questions. We're talking

1154
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:15,559
about it. And sometimes on a council somebody will say, Richard,

1155
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,519
I talked to you a year ago. You know, in

1156
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,360
your world, I talked to you before when you were

1157
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,079
talking to somebody else. I'm the same person, but on

1158
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:27,519
a different council, you see. And so the other thing

1159
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,679
is council members can so let's say they represent courage.

1160
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,880
I'll ask, do you represent courage on other councils. Sometimes

1161
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,360
they say yes, a few. Sometimes they say you know, five,

1162
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:43,119
ten twenty, Sometimes they say ten thousands, Sometimes they say

1163
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:44,519
more than you can imagine.

1164
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:48,639
Speaker 1: So these so they moonlight on other councils, That's what

1165
01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:48,920
you're saying.

1166
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they moonlight. And sometimes they don't represent the same

1167
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,800
thing on other councils. They just show up and they're

1168
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,480
like really wise people. So look when how you see

1169
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:04,159
a council, Well, anybody can see their counsel today. Now

1170
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:09,679
if they want to general process is before you, before

1171
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:12,880
you incren it. They go, so tell us what's it

1172
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,360
gonna be, how's it going to work? What are you

1173
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,039
going to accomplish? And you swear that you're going to

1174
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:21,559
accomplish what you were set up to do. And now

1175
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:25,480
for them, it's fifteen twenty minutes later. For you, it's

1176
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:28,440
seventy five years on earth. And now you go back.

1177
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:32,440
So you beat him before you show up, and you

1178
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:34,639
beat them when you leave, and they go, so how'd

1179
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:38,000
you do? And you now go, oh, my gosh, I

1180
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:41,599
was so great. I donated money to people. One guy said.

1181
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:44,639
They asked me, like, who did I help? And I said, oh,

1182
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:47,599
I gave per percentage of my bank account to like

1183
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,320
charity and they said no, no, no, who did you help?

1184
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,960
And he was like, I don't know what you're asking

1185
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,119
And they showed him. He was on a bus and

1186
01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:00,679
a woman was crying and suicidal and he put his

1187
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,719
arm around her and said everything's going to be okay.

1188
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:09,719
And that moment changed her life, changed her family, changed

1189
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:14,079
her trajectory. So you don't really get to see the

1190
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:16,760
good that you do until they show it to you.

1191
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,000
David Bennett terrific book Voyage of Purpose about his near

1192
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:23,840
death experience. University of Virginia studied him, he probably had

1193
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,320
him on the show, and he talks in Hacking the

1194
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:32,719
Afterlife that journey. But if you remember in his whatever

1195
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,000
after life review, his life review, he had two experiences.

1196
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:41,800
One was a really happy one where this cranky lady

1197
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,960
constantly was bugging him and he really determined, I'm going

1198
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:48,119
to make her laugh and I'm going to make her smile,

1199
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,400
and he did that, and they showed him how that

1200
01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:56,599
changed her family and their children. So that reflective like

1201
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:59,039
almost like a wave that went out. But they also

1202
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:00,599
showed him when he got in a our fight in

1203
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:03,719
Texas with some guy who had come on to him

1204
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,199
and he said to the bartender, like you let these guys,

1205
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:10,800
and that caused a terrible fight, and he had the

1206
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,840
experience of, you know, a first person of being the

1207
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:19,280
guy beaten up and experience of that humiliation and that trauma,

1208
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,960
which is what people report in their near debt and

1209
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,480
their life review. So if you've been a rotten person,

1210
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:28,159
you're going to see that in your life review, but

1211
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:32,400
and a feeling at firsthand. So think about how difficult.

1212
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:36,159
Like Kenneth Ring, Doctor Kenneth Ring talks about a guy

1213
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:41,199
who saw himself in one of those accidents where the

1214
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:43,480
guy got out of his car and started beating the

1215
01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:46,880
heck out of somebody. But in the life review, he

1216
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:49,719
was the guy being beaten, and he could see himself

1217
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,719
looking down. You know, he could taste the blood and

1218
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:57,360
the humiliation and the broken teeth and that trauma. It's

1219
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,760
not like people get off Scott free. People all do

1220
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:03,599
go home, but you will experience all the negativity that

1221
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:07,159
you've caused. So no time like the present to go hey,

1222
01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:08,760
let me fix that, right.

1223
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: So then with guys like you know, Genghis Khan or

1224
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,840
Alexander the Great these, I mean, what is that life

1225
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:15,039
of you?

1226
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,039
Speaker 2: Now? Why would you mention Genghis Khan.

1227
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: Because he's one of the greatest mass murderers of all time.

1228
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:24,239
Speaker 2: Okay, so I get to the Hitler question quite a bit.

1229
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:26,840
I'm sure you do too, What about I'm sure so

1230
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,359
I always say, Look, I wouldn't want to talk to

1231
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,239
him in life. Why would I want to spend five

1232
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:34,159
minutes interviewing on the flip side so during one of

1233
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:37,119
our podcasts and you can search for it hacking the

1234
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:42,079
Afterlife Genghis Khan. Jennifer said, Genghis Khan is here. I'm like,

1235
01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:43,800
do you know who that is? She's like no, But

1236
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:48,319
he introduced himself and I said, okay, I know. I said,

1237
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,399
what are you doing here? And he came to tell

1238
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,119
us about the process. He said that. I said, you know,

1239
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:56,760
so why did you Why were you so nutty? He

1240
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,319
said he had a mental illness and the last seven

1241
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:03,000
years of his life he didn't sleep, so he was

1242
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:06,680
so paranoid constantly of being attacked that he just murdered

1243
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,159
everybody that came near him. And I said, so, what

1244
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:13,359
was your life review like? And he said it was awful.

1245
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,159
And then I've had many lifetimes since trying to recover

1246
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:18,880
from it. He said, I even tried to be a

1247
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,239
monk in one life that didn't work, and then he

1248
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:25,640
had other lifetimes. And I've heard this from another person

1249
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,279
who caused a lot of mayhem, that he wound up

1250
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,560
in a Japanese prisoner of war camp in World War Two,

1251
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,119
and all the terrible things that he had done to

1252
01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:37,479
other people happened to him. So that doesn't mitigate that

1253
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:42,520
he killed forty million people in Asia in twelve seventy seven.

1254
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,119
But what's fascinating about this tale is that I asked

1255
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:50,399
him where he was buried. People don't know, and he

1256
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,239
told us, he said, I'm not They cut off my

1257
01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:56,760
head and threw it in a lake, and they buried

1258
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,479
my body in the sand so that no one could

1259
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,159
find him. And it is a mystery, like where's Genghis

1260
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,600
Khan Berry? You know, it's just one of those goofy

1261
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,560
things according to him, you know, from the source I listen,

1262
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,960
it was a mind bending thing. I knew enough about

1263
01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:15,920
him to ask those questions about his journey and his life.

1264
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:22,319
And you know that one fifth of Asians are blood related. Yeah,

1265
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:24,119
and he said, well, let's hope they have the good

1266
01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:27,279
qualities of mine as opposed to the bad ones. That

1267
01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:27,920
was his joke.

1268
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,119
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1269
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,000
and now back to the show.

1270
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:42,239
Speaker 2: So even Genghis can tell jokes on the flip side.

1271
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,079
Speaker 1: I want to ask you something, Richard, from your point

1272
01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:47,520
of view, because you have so much, you have such

1273
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:53,079
a depth in this space. I've been told multiple times

1274
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,640
about this concept that took me a while to figure it,

1275
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,199
to wrap my head around that there is no past

1276
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,600
life or future life, that all lives are happening at

1277
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:02,520
the exact same time.

1278
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:04,279
Speaker 2: And I know I've heard that too.

1279
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:05,199
Speaker 3: Me.

1280
01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: It's not linear. It's kind of like a plate system

1281
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,359
records going up and down.

1282
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: Well, let me clarify that, because I've asked the question

1283
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,479
many times, including to people who said that while they

1284
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,279
were on the planet, and to say, okay, is that

1285
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:28,159
your experience? And doctor Grayson points out that even people

1286
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:32,119
who have near death experience who say everything was simultaneous,

1287
01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:36,439
there is no time they had sequential events that happened

1288
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,079
like at first I saw my mother, and then I

1289
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:40,319
saw my father, and then my pets came to see me.

1290
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,800
Things happen in sequence. So I asked the guy to

1291
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,319
explain it to me. He said, well, think of a

1292
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:49,520
string in front of you, and on that string are

1293
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,399
all your lifetimes and they go from left to right.

1294
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,359
Because otherwise you wouldn't learn anything. It would be like

1295
01:11:56,399 --> 01:12:00,000
groundhog Day. You wouldn't learn anything. It would just continue

1296
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:02,880
go over and over. But they're in sequence and they

1297
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,760
are linear. However, when you turn the string to your eye,

1298
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:10,760
it looks like they're all simultaneously and it's like a

1299
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,359
three D chess game where you see, oh, in that

1300
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,000
lifetime in Genghis Khan land that influence to who I

1301
01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:21,399
am now, or these acts influence these other lifetimes. So

1302
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:26,239
the real thing is is that people experience as if

1303
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,840
there's no time. And what they're really saying is I

1304
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,960
had this experience where it felt like time doesn't exist.

1305
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,000
I've heard it many, many times for many different people.

1306
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,680
This idea, this rubric of twenty five years on Earth

1307
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,439
is five or ten minutes to them. Because I was

1308
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,640
talking about somebody who had died one hundred and sixty

1309
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,239
years ago and they had come forth and said, you know,

1310
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:54,479
I think people should investigate this. And I was saying, why,

1311
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,079
you know, it's ancient history, and they said, you know,

1312
01:12:57,159 --> 01:13:00,199
to you, it's ancient history. To us, it happened last week,

1313
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,960
and we don't feel, as they put it, truth sets

1314
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,520
people free on both sides of the veil. So but

1315
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,479
the time element, I know, that's what people say. All

1316
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,199
I can say is it's consistent in the data, in

1317
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:18,680
the research. In people who you can talk to and

1318
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,680
say does time exist? And they'll say, well, it does exist,

1319
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,439
but so relatively different from what your experience is it's

1320
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,439
impossible to explain it. As one person said, you step

1321
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,399
off stage and suddenly you're traveling in a frequency that's

1322
01:13:33,239 --> 01:13:36,279
let's say, a thousand times different than where we're at.

1323
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,960
And if you want to communicate with someone, it's almost

1324
01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:43,199
like slowing your supersonic jet down to talk to somebody

1325
01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:45,800
in a VW van that has the windows rolled up

1326
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:50,319
on a bumpy road. You're trying to impart something usual,

1327
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,479
maybe a word, but for you on the other side,

1328
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,000
it's slowing it way way, way, way, way way down.

1329
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,079
My wife had a dream where she saw Luana Andrews,

1330
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:02,439
the actress I'm a while ago, who came to hear

1331
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,960
in a dream, and my wife said, you died twenty

1332
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:07,119
years ago. How can you do that? And she said,

1333
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:11,399
think of eleven eleven. I slow my frequency down from

1334
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,039
where I'm at to one side of a fence that's

1335
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:18,760
one eleven, and you, because you're asleep, are speeding your

1336
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,880
frequency up so that you can communicate with me, and

1337
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:26,920
we meet over the decimals. We like the fence that's

1338
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,920
in between us. That's where we meet and can have

1339
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,600
a conversation. That's why people the filters are off when

1340
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:37,399
you're sleeping, when you're taking hallucinogens, when you're doing hypnotherapy,

1341
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,560
you're elevating your frequency so that you can communicate with

1342
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,279
people on the other side, and they listen. For centuries

1343
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:51,960
people tried to communicate, and we've been saying, no, we can't.

1344
01:14:52,119 --> 01:14:54,520
You're dead. I can't talk to you. Even when you're

1345
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,800
having a dream. If you say something like but you're dead,

1346
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,960
they'll disappear. It's because you're the frequency is not matching theirs.

1347
01:15:02,279 --> 01:15:05,560
So that's the key, is to allow that it's possible.

1348
01:15:06,199 --> 01:15:09,159
And I'll give you one quote from Harry Dean Stanton,

1349
01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:13,479
remember him, the great actor, great skeptic. I knew Harry

1350
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,239
very well. When he passed. I had a session with

1351
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:18,720
him at Jennifer Schaeffer and I said, so, Harry, what

1352
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,680
was it like as an atheist to realize life goes on?

1353
01:15:22,319 --> 01:15:26,960
He said, tell people that life continues. And I said, Harry,

1354
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:28,880
no one's going to believe that I talked to you.

1355
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,439
All your friends are atheists and skeptics. It's going to

1356
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:35,079
his memorial. So he gave me three private messages, health

1357
01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:38,479
related issues and he had me go and tell these

1358
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,680
people stuff that only Harry could know, so they were flabbergasted.

1359
01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:46,159
He also described his death scene, how many people were there,

1360
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,119
and how he was greeted by a child that he

1361
01:15:49,159 --> 01:15:51,720
was supposed to have in the sixties but didn't, and

1362
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,119
the child showed him unconditional love. When I'm at his memorial,

1363
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:58,159
I said, how did Harry die? And this woman said, well,

1364
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:01,039
there were five women in the room, which he had

1365
01:16:01,079 --> 01:16:04,159
said And I said, did he say anything weird? She said, yeah,

1366
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:06,000
he looked at me and said, hand me the baby,

1367
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,039
but there was no baby in the room. But what

1368
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:13,159
Harry told me to tell people, and I'm repeating it now,

1369
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,600
believe in the possibility of an afterlife, so then you

1370
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,000
won't waste your energy arguing about it like I did.

1371
01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:26,079
It's great advice. But anyway, that thing about time, I listen.

1372
01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:28,199
I know it's a conundrum. I know people say time

1373
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:32,199
doesn't exist. If you wanted to reincarnate and go back

1374
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,720
and go back to the fifteen hundreds, you'd have to

1375
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:39,000
ask everybody involved, your guides, your teachers, your council members,

1376
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:43,279
your classmates, to take a page out of your life

1377
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:46,079
to go back and redo it, and all of them

1378
01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:51,079
are like, oh, well, imagine hurting all those cats. I

1379
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:54,880
know you always asked to go back here. But you

1380
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,479
can go visit. You can go visit your previous life.

1381
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,640
You can go visit that era. You can actually go

1382
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,760
and see step into it. You can do that and

1383
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,640
guided meditation just walk right back into that era. But

1384
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,800
you can't alter things. However, this is the kind of

1385
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:15,399
usual conundrum. You're altering your reality by visiting your past,

1386
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,880
because when you visit the past, you see how things

1387
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,079
are not that important that you're worried about now. So

1388
01:17:22,279 --> 01:17:26,960
visiting the past alters your present, and by altering your present,

1389
01:17:27,039 --> 01:17:30,600
you change your future because you're no longer worried about death,

1390
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,399
You're no longer worried about anything. In terms of the

1391
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,880
props on stage, because when we leave the stage, we

1392
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,199
drop the props and costumes and go back home. That

1393
01:17:44,279 --> 01:17:46,920
percentage of your conscious energy that you bring to the stage,

1394
01:17:47,319 --> 01:17:51,600
it's between twenty and forty percent. Generally, you pack it

1395
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,319
up in your suitcase and take it home.

1396
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: Richard, what about the concept of the ascended masters, that

1397
01:17:57,079 --> 01:18:02,239
Jesus is the Buddhas the yoganandas the saint Germain's what

1398
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:05,800
are there? Have you spoken to any of them other

1399
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,560
than Jesus, let's say, because I'm gonna have you. I'm

1400
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,119
gonna have you back to talk about Jesus in a

1401
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:11,520
whole episode because that's gonna be fun.

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01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's I just wanted to squeeze him in

1403
01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:15,680
there because he's a funny guy.

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01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: But generally the ascendant masters, I mean, from my understanding,

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01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,039
they all have the same thing we do. They're just

1406
01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:25,319
souls that are and look to hear what you think

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01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:28,840
that they've broken the cycle, let's say, or they decided

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01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:32,279
I've learned everything I've learned at this university. I don't

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01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:34,000
need to come back anymore. If I don't want to,

1410
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,560
I can go to the next place above this, or

1411
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,279
I love it so much here that I'm gonna come

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01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:41,840
back and help, like the Jesus is, like the Buddhas.

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01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, well the Bodhisa for val as you know,

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01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:48,479
I will return. However, Yes, have I talked to the avatars.

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01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,079
I've talked to so many. I mean, it sounds silly

1416
01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:52,920
to say, but yes, we've talked to quite a few.

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01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:55,560
And sometimes there are avatars I didn't even know there

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01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,760
were an avatar. We were in an astrophysics class on

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01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,760
the flip side. Jennifer Shaffer's father, who had passed away,

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01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,159
was saying, you know, I'm taking this class, and I said, oh,

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01:19:05,159 --> 01:19:06,920
show it to us. And we go to the class

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01:19:07,359 --> 01:19:09,439
and there's a teacher there and he says, now, don't

1423
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,119
be to his daughter. Don't be freaked out by the teacher.

1424
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,399
And so now we get up to the teacher and

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01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,239
I'm the gadfly. I ask questions, who are you? What's

1426
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:22,000
your story? As she reveals herself takes off her cape,

1427
01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:28,000
you realize she's telling me she's got eight arms, and

1428
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,680
I'm like, oh, you have eight arms? How do people

1429
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,319
refer to you? And she said, they call me Ma?

1430
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:36,640
And so now I take that research back to my

1431
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,399
Hindu philosophy people and I say, who's an eight armed

1432
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,319
teacher named Ma? Well, that's Mot Durga. So now I

1433
01:19:43,399 --> 01:19:47,680
go back to Jennifer, who doesn't know what I'm researching,

1434
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,640
and I said, now can I have your whole name?

1435
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,680
And Jennifer says, her name is mot Durga. That's what

1436
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,800
people refer to her as. Now, are you referring to

1437
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,560
somebody who lived on the earth with eight arms or

1438
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,479
are you referring to a teacher that you've met on

1439
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,239
the flip side who has eight arms? You see? So

1440
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,039
I've met Krishna. I've met people who say, oh, there's

1441
01:20:09,039 --> 01:20:12,079
this blue person standing in front of me, and I go,

1442
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:19,960
what's the name he goes by? He's saying Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Yogananda. I.

1443
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,640
You know, Jennifer didn't know Yogananda, but I wanted to

1444
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,039
ask him questions about his autobiography, like how did he

1445
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:29,720
manifest his teacher when he went in back to his

1446
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,680
hotel in Mumbai and saw his teacher sitting there in

1447
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,840
his bed, Like what happened? And he described it in

1448
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:36,600
great detail.

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01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1450
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:45,800
and now back to the show.

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01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: We've interviewed song Kappa, who was the Tibetan who's considered

1452
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,640
a Buddha in Tibetan Buddhism. We've interviewed the thirteenth Dalai Lama,

1453
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:03,479
mainly because I've I've traveled extensively in Lasa and Tibet,

1454
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,039
and I'm very familiar with Charles Bell, who was the

1455
01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:09,479
guy who befriended the thirteenth Ali Lama so I wanted

1456
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,439
to interview Charles Bell, and during that interview, I said,

1457
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,520
can we interview the thirteenth because you see, we only

1458
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,039
bring a portion of your conscious energy here. So if

1459
01:21:18,039 --> 01:21:21,119
you can access the time frame or the floppy disc

1460
01:21:21,159 --> 01:21:25,000
as Stephen Hawking called it, of when I existed, all

1461
01:21:25,039 --> 01:21:27,880
the information is in that disc, all the ones and darros,

1462
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,399
all the math, so you can access that conscious energy.

1463
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,600
So same goes with anyone who's ever been on the planet.

1464
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:39,359
So why are avatars different. Well, the first time that

1465
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:44,199
we interviewed Jesus, I was saying I'd never asked him

1466
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:46,399
a question before, and this was the third medium I

1467
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,319
was talking to. Said, you know, he's in the room,

1468
01:21:48,399 --> 01:21:51,359
and she was crying and couldn't breathe, and so I

1469
01:21:51,399 --> 01:21:53,800
just I thought, well, this is strange. I don't sense him,

1470
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,359
I don't see him. I said, can he come closer

1471
01:21:56,359 --> 01:21:58,880
to you? And she was like gasping for breath, And

1472
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,720
I said, I ask him a question, and she said,

1473
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,880
he says yes, And I said, dude, what's the matter

1474
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,199
with you? Why are you causing this reaction of people?

1475
01:22:07,239 --> 01:22:10,359
They can't breathe, their faces turned red, they start crying.

1476
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,479
Now I asked it that way to challenge, like, is

1477
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,920
this a belief that they're tossing at me or what

1478
01:22:18,079 --> 01:22:23,079
is it? And his answer was, I brought more of

1479
01:22:23,279 --> 01:22:26,840
Source with me to this lifetime, and when people are

1480
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:31,399
close to me, they feel that unconditional love of Source,

1481
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,800
which is a non denominational answer if I've ever heard one.

1482
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,479
He didn't use any of that language, you see, and

1483
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,520
since then he's repeated so. But you know, when he

1484
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,399
said that, I said, not so much with the Romans,

1485
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,640
and he laughed, and Jennifer said, oh my gosh, I

1486
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,560
don't know what that means. Not so much to the Roman,

1487
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:56,800
but he's laughing. My mind was blown. I not only

1488
01:22:57,039 --> 01:22:59,560
was able to ask him a question but also to

1489
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,640
get him to laugh. And so since then, and this

1490
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,880
is true, I just want to say it all avatars,

1491
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,159
they're not that serious of people. They know who they are.

1492
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:09,359
Speaker 1: Are.

1493
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh no, you know, Buddha was probably with

1494
01:23:13,359 --> 01:23:17,039
the one who was the most unusual interview. And we

1495
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,840
did an interview with both Buddha and Jesus in the

1496
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,520
same podcast, and that's in the book The Greatest Story

1497
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,560
Never Told is Told by Jesus Knows. It's called Buddha

1498
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,520
and Jesus walk into a bar, and the idea is

1499
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:33,680
you can ask questions to anybody that's been on the planet,

1500
01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:36,960
and you try to set aside all of the dogma

1501
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,680
and all of what you've been told about who you

1502
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,399
can ask and what you can ask. Yoga Nanda over

1503
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,800
your shoulder. I'm sure he's been to visit you, and

1504
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,640
if you do a guide meditation, we can ask him

1505
01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:51,840
what's up? And what are the lottery numbers for this Friday?

1506
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:56,079
Speaker 1: Well without the lottery numbers. I actually I think you

1507
01:23:56,119 --> 01:23:59,359
and I have been doing similar work, but I use channels,

1508
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:03,359
so channels channel. I've had had Buddha on the show.

1509
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:05,760
I've had Jesus multiple times. I've yog on the show.

1510
01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:09,439
I've had Baba G show up, which was my mind

1511
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,319
blowing when I had Baba G show up the energy

1512
01:24:12,359 --> 01:24:16,039
and that you could feel the room change. When certainly

1513
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:18,880
I've had Saint Germaine on the show multiple and I

1514
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,560
asked them quite just like you, I go, Man, wasn't

1515
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,000
it tough walking around twenty five hundred years ago? Buddha

1516
01:24:26,079 --> 01:24:28,560
and you're trying to talk to people who just don't

1517
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,319
even understand what one plus one is two and you're

1518
01:24:31,319 --> 01:24:34,680
trying to teach them about these higher level teachings and

1519
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,479
they're just like this is ridiculous. Same thing for Jesus,

1520
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,439
and they'll go, yeah, it was tough. It wasn't easy

1521
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:42,880
like it. It was a rough It was a rough

1522
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:43,359
go of it.

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01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,399
Speaker 2: You know, it's really you know, and I think it's

1524
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,000
fascinating to ask the question. We asked Padmas and Baba

1525
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:49,600
what it was like for him to go to Tibet,

1526
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:53,960
and he said it was wild. So you know, and

1527
01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:56,039
I know what he's talking about because I've been to

1528
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:58,159
like the caves that you know, he went to visit,

1529
01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:00,760
and you think, oh man, that much. You know, the

1530
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,319
year whatever, it was eight hundred when he was there,

1531
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,399
six hundred, I don't know anyway, just mind bending stuff.

1532
01:25:08,399 --> 01:25:11,159
But the good news is the really cool thing is

1533
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,920
that there's no one that we can't communicate with. I mean,

1534
01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:17,680
you know, if there are people who don't want to

1535
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:22,800
talk right, they're busy, or they find this level of

1536
01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:25,960
conversation like you know, like a sandbox, like kids in

1537
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,840
a sandbox asking questions like enough, already, stop bothering me. However,

1538
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,880
those ones that like you mentioned, are who care about

1539
01:25:35,079 --> 01:25:38,039
humanity and care about the planet or or whatever. Care

1540
01:25:38,079 --> 01:25:41,840
about answering questions. I've found. I mean, I really have

1541
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:46,279
never had somebody say I won't answer a question. They

1542
01:25:46,319 --> 01:25:49,000
may they'll say, I if I answer that question, you

1543
01:25:49,039 --> 01:25:52,199
won't understand the answer. I'll tell you. The best question

1544
01:25:52,279 --> 01:25:56,960
that I've heard was my friend. The skeptics asked, She said,

1545
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,199
I don't believe any of this stuff. I said, okay,

1546
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:00,960
well you're going to a hit. The therapy session asked

1547
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,359
a question. She said, all right, what or who is God?

1548
01:26:04,039 --> 01:26:06,760
I thought, oh, that's a good question. So she got

1549
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,680
to a point she was talking to a guide, and

1550
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:12,079
the guide said, look, God is beyond the capacity of

1551
01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:16,880
the human brain to comprehend. It's not physically possible for

1552
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,399
the brain, for the human brain to understand too many levels,

1553
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:25,960
too many dimensions. He said, however, you can experience God

1554
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:31,399
by opening your heart to everyone, into all things. And

1555
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:36,399
I realized that was a oceanic experienced comment, like a

1556
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:42,680
mathematical formula. It's almost impossible to comprehend. How do you

1557
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:47,760
open your heart empathy, compassion to everyone. But he also

1558
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,039
didn't say just everyone, He said all things? And why

1559
01:26:51,119 --> 01:26:55,880
would he include things. It's because everything is a construction

1560
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:59,960
of consciousness. So if you open your heart to everything

1561
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:06,119
thing you see, that's when you can experience that oceanic epiphany,

1562
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:07,039
et cetera.

1563
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,520
Speaker 1: Richard, We're definitely going to talk again in the future.

1564
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,159
That I that I can see already. But I'm gonna

1565
01:27:13,159 --> 01:27:14,439
ask you if you I love. I'm going to ask

1566
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,159
a few questions, ask by guest, kind of like a

1567
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:19,720
rapid fire. Please, a few questions. What is your what

1568
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,960
is your definition of living a fulfilled.

1569
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,079
Speaker 2: Life, living a fulfilled life doing what you said you

1570
01:27:25,159 --> 01:27:25,840
came here to do.

1571
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,319
Speaker 1: If you had a chance to go back in time

1572
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:33,560
and speak to little Richard, not little Richard, but little Richard, Yeah,

1573
01:27:34,039 --> 01:27:36,600
what would what would you tell him? What advice would

1574
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:36,880
you give me?

1575
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 2: Would I tell little Richard I would say, oh my god,

1576
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:43,680
he played with the Beatles and Billy Preston, Little Richard,

1577
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:48,720
I would say, uh, you know. I of course, now

1578
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,159
in retrospect, I see all of the things that happened

1579
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:56,880
to little Richard are totally related directly to this right

1580
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:03,840
now where we are. Yeah, okay, but yes, I understand

1581
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,600
the question. But little Richard, it would be you know,

1582
01:28:07,239 --> 01:28:09,119
love is all there is. I mean, that's when I've

1583
01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:11,119
heard so many to you've heard, and I'm sure you

1584
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:14,039
know it is true. It is that's the engine of

1585
01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:17,840
the fricking planet. So if that's love, then whatever, what

1586
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:18,760
more do you need to know?

1587
01:28:19,039 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: How did you find God or source energy?

1588
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,399
Speaker 2: That's the best definition I got, And I'm glad I

1589
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:28,800
was able to say it. Open your heart to everyone

1590
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,079
and all things. Now, we have talked to Robin Williams

1591
01:28:33,079 --> 01:28:35,760
a number of times. I had met him in life,

1592
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,680
I had dinner with him, and so I was finishing

1593
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,319
the book Hackney Afterlife, and I cut out the chapter

1594
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,960
about him because it was all about me meeting him

1595
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,359
and me and Robin, Me and Robin. And I met

1596
01:28:47,359 --> 01:28:50,319
with Jennifer the next day and she said Robin Williams

1597
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:53,279
is here. I was like, oh, really, like where? And

1598
01:28:53,319 --> 01:28:55,479
she said, he's here because he wants you to put

1599
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,319
his chapter back in your book. I had not told anyone,

1600
01:28:59,359 --> 01:29:03,079
I'd pushed the lead. He was there in the restaurant

1601
01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:06,159
telling her to tell me to put his chapter back

1602
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:09,000
in my book. So I did. And now when the

1603
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,399
book was finished, I said, well, let's ask Robin for

1604
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,560
a blurb for the cover. You know, a sentence like,

1605
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,439
you know, hey, I love this booty anyway. And what

1606
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:24,319
did he say? He said two words love, love, meaning

1607
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,680
love yourself, love, What love is, love who you are.

1608
01:29:28,199 --> 01:29:31,119
Love is the only reason to be on the planet.

1609
01:29:31,279 --> 01:29:34,880
The love love. It was so brilliant love. Love.

1610
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,079
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

1611
01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:40,159
Speaker 2: Robin Williams, I'll give him that last say, which is

1612
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,199
to love, love, to find love, to give love, to

1613
01:29:44,319 --> 01:29:50,239
understand what love is. It's interconnectivity, it's openness, it's empathy.

1614
01:29:51,239 --> 01:29:55,479
You know. We people describe an incredible afterlife of creating

1615
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,920
any object that you can imagine, traveling to other universes,

1616
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:05,600
any food, any taste, any imaginable CGI avatar experience. You

1617
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,039
can do that on your own. We had Carl Lemley

1618
01:30:08,079 --> 01:30:11,239
show up and tell us that, and I said, so

1619
01:30:11,359 --> 01:30:13,239
why do you why do you come back? Why do

1620
01:30:13,319 --> 01:30:16,319
people come back? He said, Eh, when you when you're bored,

1621
01:30:16,359 --> 01:30:19,840
that's when you decide to come back. So when you're

1622
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,840
bored with creating everything on the flip side, we come

1623
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:27,600
back here to do what to give, love, to share, love,

1624
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:28,640
to be loved.

1625
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: And Richard, where can people find out more about you

1626
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:31,840
and the work that you're doing in the.

1627
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 2: World, Richmartini dot com. Our podcast is Hacking the Afterlife.

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01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:38,920
If we could just get a fraction of your viewers

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to come over. It's on YouTube as Martini Zone or

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and you know, I've got twelve books out there bestseller

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and their kindle categories, but you can find them all.

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And the movies are flip side Hacking the Afterlife and

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talking to Bill.

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Speaker 1: Backs beautiful, beautiful and do you have a party, any party?

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Message for the audience.

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Speaker 2: What a what a treat and what a delight to

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have someone like Alex be awake in his lifetime to

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find the way to do this. And if forout for

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people out there struggling and having a hard time and

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trying to figure it out, just try to be open.

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Because Alex found his way to doing the thing that

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he was born to do, and you too can find

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the thing that you were born to be.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't have said it better myself, my friend, Thank

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you so much for coming on the show, Richard. It

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has been such a pleasure talking to you. I look

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forward to our next conversation, my friend. Thank you for

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helping awaken the planet, my friend, Thank you. I like

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to thank Richard so much for coming on the show

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and sharing his findings with all of us. If you

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want to get links to anything we spoke about in

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this episode, head over to the show notes at next

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so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey.

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It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.