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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Reality Realm with your hosts, Irene Allen

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and Mark Johnson. Good evening everyone, morning, afternoon, whatever time

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zone you're in. Welcome to the Reality Realm with Irene

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Allen and myself, Mark Johnson. Irene, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm fine?

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Speaker 1: More Yeah, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good. Then we're both good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's the end of the show. Thanks everybody. Betraying guy.

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Oh no, no, no, no, we don't get off that easy.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, how.

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Speaker 1: Was your going so far?

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Speaker 2: That's my week? Wet, I'm more wet and it's been

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bloom and wet here.

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Speaker 1: Mark here too. We're giving the remnants of that tropical

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storm that hit Florida coming up the coast.

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Speaker 2: Lots of flooding, Oh you all, But will we getting

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the remnants of I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, another storm that comes around, you know, And

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when our storm passes through, it's going to come around

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over Greenland and Iceland and then drop down on your side.

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That's right.

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Speaker 2: But when it drops down here, apparently we're going to

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get hot weather. If I'm not mistaken. If I'm not mistaken, anyway,

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they'd say that the sun is going to come out

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next week yay. Well, yeah, happy happy times. Rock spicking is.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, cheeky devil. I was talking. I was

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talking about me. Oh you again, frightening.

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Speaker 2: Do you know you've got Roman feet?

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Speaker 1: I have Roman feet, You got Roman feet.

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Speaker 2: I've got Egyptian feet, long and slim. You've got a

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couple of plates to meet there.

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Speaker 1: Darling, they're not that bad.

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Speaker 2: I saw them.

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Speaker 1: Why, but you know I'm only US size ten, US

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size ten.

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Speaker 2: What's that making in the UK?

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Speaker 1: My? Here it's by inches, so it's ten inches ten inches?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ten inches. Speak See isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Like twelve or fourteen? Means? Are big feet? Water ski

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on those? I've done that before. I have barefoot water skied,

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which is unusual, to say the least that I always

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crashed and burned.

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Speaker 2: Did okay? You didn't know? You didn't want?

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Speaker 1: No? Did not have.

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Speaker 2: Speed, did you? Darling?

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Speaker 1: What's that?

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Speaker 2: You didn't get up enough speed?

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Speaker 1: Oh? The boat had enough speed. It's just that if

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you're not in the right position, the next thing you know,

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you're doing a forward face plant straight into the water

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at high speed.

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Speaker 2: Well you're wearing bunchie smugglers. What never mind? Only the

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English would know what that means.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 2: So I can't do anything about this. I have a dog.

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She's twenty years old. She's blind, she's deaf, Pipper. She

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has cancer. But she eats like a pig and still

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finds her way right through the house from here to

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the utility room to get her food twice a day.

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And but she's had a couple of fits lately, and

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I have to have her clothes. So if you hear

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a yapping, oh, it's not yapping, just a single bark

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goes off every now and then, that's her call in me.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm hearing Gurdie in the next room.

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Speaker 2: No, that's not gurdy only it sound like snoring.

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Speaker 1: Now it was like a yap, that's Pepper. Oh, she

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sounds so far away. Sounds like she was in the

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next room instead of in there with you. No she's not.

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Speaker 2: She is in the next room. She's in the snark.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well, Pepper's cute.

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Speaker 2: I like Pepper, and I can't have her too far

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away from me, you see, because well she gets insecure. Now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can imagine when you're blind and deaf and yeah,

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on your last you need constant reassurance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, people would said to me, well, why

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don't you put it down. She's not in pain, all right,

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She's only just started fitting last week for the first time.

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But then again, I think she might be because she overheated.

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Could be we had did have a hot day, a

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hot night, and that's when sheared through the fit. So

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she's blind and she's deaf. There's a lot of other

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blind and deaf people and animals that get on in

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this world without having to be put down.

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Speaker 1: As long as she's not suffering, then when she gets

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lots of love, then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she'll let me know when she's finished, when she's

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when she's ready, when she's had enough, she let me know,

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and that will be it. Then we'll think about doing something.

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And so then not Pepper is Pepper. You know she

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can still sniff. She can sniff out a crisp on

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the floor blind as she is from the next room,

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she can find her ways straight to it. You drop

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something on the floor, she will smell it and she

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can find it. She doesn't have to hunt for it.

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She just goes for it.

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Speaker 1: Well that's it. You know, the dogs with their sense

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of smells. She may be blind in depth, but that

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sense of smells there and we'll stop. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: She's only a little jack Russell, you know, she's she's

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no bother at all. It's just ah, it's just a

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shame that she gets so insecure with her blindness. I

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was going to put something in their hangar coat or

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something on the back of the door, because then she'd

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think it's me standing there. You stare at it for

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the next couple of hours.

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Speaker 1: Well, else you would see it was a hazy outline.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, yeah, I think you could see out of

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one of our eyes slightly out the corner. That's what

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the vet seems to think.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's it. Our eyes, well they're white. Oh anyway, anyway,

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as twenty years of happiness and love, she's had her

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own way.

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Speaker 1: That is what is important.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, okay, So come on in what's today's

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show about?

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Speaker 1: Well, you wanted to talk about folklore, which is fascinating,

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especially since over there in the UK you have lots

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of different local folklore.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, there's folk law all around the world,

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but you put all that around the world into this

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one little country and we're still beat it. By having more.

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I'm sure of it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering why that is, because, yes, there is

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folklore of strange creatures or ghosts or or spirits or whatever,

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you know, in every country in the world, and the

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United States certainly has its fair share, but yes, for

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for Great Britain and Ireland, there's definitely a lot more,

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lot of interesting folk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and strange thing about it, you know, each area

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of these islands have got their own folklore, they've got

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their own legend, they've got their own medical beast or whatever.

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But other places have something simil like the shot a

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black dog, right, mm hmm. There's versions of the black

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dog all over the islands, but they're just known by

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different names.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've heard of the black dog. Now is

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it more like a dog or a wolf?

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Speaker 2: Or let me give you a couple of a couple

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of different stories. All right, Okay, okay, one moment, I've

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just got I wrote it down, so I've got to

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have a look because I'll forget their names. There's so

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many different names. H can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Right?

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Speaker 2: The bar guest right now, that's a phantom black dog

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and it prays on lone travelers Okay, it's also an

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omen of death and if anybody notable passes on the bar,

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guess can peer followed by all the dogs of the area,

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barking and howling as if they're in a funeral procession procession.

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So that's above, guest, right.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me ask. Let me ask a question

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on that. Dive into a little bit of these as

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we go down the road. It says, praise on people. Yeah,

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in what way? I mean, have people been attacked?

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Speaker 2: Appears more to lone travelers, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, so it appears to but it's not like it's

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actually attacked anybody.

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Speaker 2: Well not well, I don't know. I've not seen one yet. Uh,

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this is another one I wrote down, and there was

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another one. Can't find it now.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love your organizational ability.

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Speaker 2: These I'm absolutely hopeless.

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Speaker 1: All I'm always having to find things for you.

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Speaker 2: I know on my computer as well. Oh I've lost it,

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but you've got You've got the shock as well that

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that can be seen often around cemeteries crossroads and they

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say that it gods maybe a hidden treasure mm hmm

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there or another you know, So there's a shock.

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Speaker 1: There is a version in the US. But I'll bring

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it up later because it's a whole nother topic in

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and of itself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that? Then? I know you're going to bring

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up later, but now I want to know.

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Speaker 1: No, let's talk about other stuff first, uk first, then

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we'll deal with Americans.

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Speaker 2: This one. I found it the gay trash, right, the

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gay trash, which is another black dog. Okay, Well, it's

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more a shag far a shag. Don't get me wrong here,

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I'm not being rude right now. It's nothing to do

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with shagging or shag. Is that all getting myself in deep?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 2: Are shag shagging.

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Speaker 1: The British audiences. Well, we'll take it that way. Americans

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have no clue.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good God, that's good. You know I'm tidy, scruffy,

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scruffy looking things. It's a black dog and it shape shifts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, shape shifts into white to.

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Speaker 2: Other animals, other animals, and again it plays on travelers

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and leads them into danger. Huh that, But once in

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a while it can, if it likes the person, put

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them back on the right road to where they're traveling.

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And this thing has blood and red eyes. Mass things

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over here got red eyes. I don't know why they've

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got red eyes, but they have got red eyes. This

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one's got red eyes like burning coals.

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Speaker 1: Is the gar trash, you know, And let's let's go

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into that a little bit too. So with these types

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of creatures that people see, either it's a version of

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an animal we already know, but there's something strange about it, Like.

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Speaker 2: The guide trash, it will transform into other animals like holes,

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the goat of cat, things like that. But it always

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does try to lead people astray. They lost people, people

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that have lost their way, just gets some deeper into

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it and into danger, you know what I mean. Notice

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about all of these things, Mark, it's all about lost people.

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I'm leading them into danger.

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Speaker 1: Well, that will lead me into something else that's very

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famous over in the UK. That's missing. What's the will

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of the wisp?

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Speaker 2: Well, the wisp it's also known as fairy fire. I've

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seen in marshes and bogs like that. Some call it cosey. Yeah, yeah,

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that's what that's what it is. Some people call them

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call candles and everything. They're eerie lights. And of course

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travelers that see them, they follow them, don't they You're gonna,

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aren't you if you're if you're brave of course you're

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gonna follow. You see a weird light, you're gonna go

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and have a look to see what it's about. And

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that sometimes brings them into the book where it results

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in death for them.

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Speaker 1: There's a connection with all of these. There's a lot

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of a lot of the different folklore have this connection.

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And the one thing that strikes me the most is

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how it all seems to be related to the the

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as Barry Fitzgerald used to call the shay or the

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fairy lore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, with some people, right, they pull them ghost

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or fairies, sprites, elemental land spirits of some court sort

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or another. But what gets me is, like I said,

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they always pick on a loan travelers or lead them

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into an area of danger. Okay, but occasionally you will

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get one one of these dogs or whatever they are,

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lead the person, if they like the person, lead them

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back onto the correct road. I stop it too, I'm

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sorry about this. Okay, we're going into a bundle here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, get there.

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Speaker 2: Right, And occasionally, if they like you, they will put

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you back on the right vote. See, bring you luck

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in some way, you know, show you where very treasure

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is or something like that.

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Speaker 1: But see, that's exactly like what's related to the fairy

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lore is just and it goes into a lot of

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these different types of elemental entity, spirits, whatever you want

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to call them, which have They're not good or evil,

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they just are and some can be very mischievous in

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a negative way. Some can be very helpful. Yeah. So

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when it says it takes a liking to you, Oh,

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you know, are we dealing with you know, just like humans,

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there's more than one and some are better than others. Yeah,

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a full summer summer swat so I mean, but it's

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interesting how Yeah, and when they when they target people,

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people who are alone, of course those are the easy targets.

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It's hard to manifest. I think for these things in

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front of a group. It's easier to go one on

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one with someone because of course, a they're easier to

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manipulate and they have no protection. They don't have the

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backing of a group with them.

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Speaker 2: That's true. But let me tell you this one, this

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one I love, the apple tree Man.

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Speaker 1: It's called I've never heard of that one.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's the he's given this name, the apple tree

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Man because he is the spirit of the old, oldest

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apple tree in the orchard. Okay, this truth and this

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oldest apple tree is the uh is in charge or

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this this this apple tree man is in charge or

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the fertility of the whole of the orchard, so Richard survives.

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And the this is found in Devon and corn Moore

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places like that where they make cider, and the way

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they even I don't know. I'm almost certain maybe today

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they still follow the tradition of going into the orchard

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and why sailing.

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Speaker 1: Oh, by sailing, they go in the orchard and do

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what what sailing? I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: You don't know what a sailing is? No, okay, It's

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where they go into an orchard and they recite incantations

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to the apple tree man, or they sing him songs,

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and they take a glass asideer or a bottle side

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of something and pour it on the roots of the

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oldest sapple tree I have. The apple tree man is

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happy with this, all right, he can you will get

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a super bumper booster a crop of apples. One man

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about one hundred years ago he actually honored the apple

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tree man by was sailing on his own to him,

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and the apple tree man rewarded him by revealing to

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him the location of hidden treasure. So I'm going on

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was sailing man. Huh, I'm going, and when you come

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over next, we're both go was sailing okayil together, we'll.

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Speaker 1: Go hopefully we find some treasure.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully the apple tree man. I've got an apple tree

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down the garden. I wonder if I got an apple

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tree man in that, I'll have to go? What's sailing

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to it? When't I?

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Speaker 1: Well, look at the similarities with leading you to treasure. Okay,

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isn't that this very similar to leprechauns. If you catch

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a leprechaun, it's forced to take you to its hidden gold.

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Speaker 2: Now I've got to get to the end of the

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rainbow before you get the gold.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well I've been there before, and trust me, yep,

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I've been to the end of the rainbow. Yep. It's uh.

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After a big rainstorm one time and I the sun

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had just come out and I was driving and there

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was this beautiful rainbow. But what happened is when it

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came down to the ground because the ground was all wet,

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the rainbow literally ran along the ground up to my car.

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And because you know, it's all about reflection of light

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with the moisture in the atmosphere causing the rainbows. It

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stayed with my car and paced me for a couple

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of miles. And uh, I was literally at the end

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of the rainbow in my crappy, little beat up yellow truck.

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And that's about as close to the gold color as

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you can to get.

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Speaker 2: You didn't find the pot of gold?

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess maybe it's a metaphor, because certainly there

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was no pot of gold there. I go, A pile

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of something maybe, but not a pot of gold.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So bogguts a book us. Yeah, I think I

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got a bugger in this house because the kids call

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it nobl in the goblin. Yes, yeah, you've heard a

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nobl in the goblin in my house, aren't you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have, although I have to admit as an

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uneducated American thatans yeah I do, yes. But the bogert

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is I'd never heard of that until like the Harry

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Potter book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, a bogget usually lives around farms, okay, And

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they can be naughty by pinching the farmer's tools or

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turning the milk of the animal's sour and things like that. Okay,

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And if a family wants to move out of that farm,

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and go and live somewhere else that bogget will follow them.

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Speaker 1: Hmm.

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Speaker 2: And that's maybe why I got my bugget here, because

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there's a farm at the back. And what they do

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is they live in or around farms.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, you know you're you're on that valley

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with that huge pasture and the cows and everything, so

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your property backs right up to that farm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and nobbling the goblin can be a pain. He

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can actually be a pain, you know the things he's

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done in this house. Anyway, there it's famous bogget who

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actually not all of them live around farms and houses

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and things. There was a famous boggot lives in a

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cave and some live in marshes. And these are more

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dangerous bogets. They like to kidnap people or be violence.

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So whereas the ones around the houses and the farm

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stairs and everything are more mischievous, the ones in the

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caves are more out in the remote areas like the

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marshes and swamps and things like that, they can be

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right vindictive little twats.

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Speaker 1: Again, it still mirrors a lot of what I've heard

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about the fairy lore, because you know, most Americans think

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they've been Walt disnified as I call them. You know,

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they think of fairies like tinker Bell, little tiny magical

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creatures with wings flying around, and that's not at all

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their traditional the description of fairies, which are more like short,

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troll like creatures that could be very nasty. Some can

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be nice to you, others are mischievous, or they can

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be outright hostile and they leave people astray. They have

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what's called fairy traps. Yeah, and or there's like these

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mounds or areas fairy raths.

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Speaker 2: That's that I get. Yeah, you know, like in this

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place you get you get ring of mushrooms, or you

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get ring of daisies. The case straight away. Don't step

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on that about the fairies a living.

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Speaker 3: You know, mm hmm, it's no, no, it's just it's

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just when we start talking about folklore, and a lot

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of these always.

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Speaker 2: Were meant to take babies, one name, put a placement

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in their place.

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Speaker 1: That was the old superstition. Yes, like people were afraid

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if their baby started acting different than they were used

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to or whatnot, they'd be afraid that the fairies came

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and replaced their baby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a feel like that over here, right

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Knockers knockers are like a goblin two. They're in Cornwall

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and Devon and they live in the tin mines and

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they're very helpful if the miners give them a bite,

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the last bite of their pasty. If you don't know

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what a pasty is, is something that was made by

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the wives. I think originated from the wives trying to

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make a wholesome meal for their husbands and things, and

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were down all day for hours and hours in the

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tin mine. They were going to keep them full, so

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they you know, they used meat and potatoes and pastry

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and everything they make this massive, great, big pasty. Well,

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the last bite of the past is should be given

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to the knocker. Okay, now, if that's the case, they

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can be very nice, and they were. The knocking comes

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when they when there is any chance of danger or

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a collapse of a mine, the knockers will knock on

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the walls to warn the miners to get out. But

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if if they don't give them the last bite of

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their pasty, then their tools could go missing, other mischievous

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things start happening. So that's the knockers, and that's the

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story of the knockers in Cornwall and Devon.

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Speaker 1: Right well, the Knockers is also known as Tommy Knockers too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the same thing to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well a lot of people over here have heard

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of Tommy Knockers. And you know that was very big also,

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and well sch mythology. Yeah, with the Welsh miners. And

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then when a lot of them came over here and

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started working in the mines, they stopped they talked about

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the Tommy Knockers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this one's a horrible one. This is one. You

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reminded me of this one when you said about children. Okay,

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I'm going missing and things. It's black Annis and this

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a nice anis a n n I s she's a hag. Yeah,

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she's a hag. And she lives in a cave in

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Leicestershire in the Dane Hills. And that's that the cave.

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She's got a big old oak tree that's growing right

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at the entrance to the cave and where she lives.

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And with this oak tree she turns the skins of

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young children that she kills. At night, she ventures out

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looking for more children to harvest, right, and she would

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reach her inside windows and smatched small children and babies.

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And now because of that, it's said that the cottages

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in the area are purposely built with smaller windows to

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keep her out, and they use herbs around the windows,

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or used herbs around the windows and animal skins to

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keep her out so she couldn't reach in. But when

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she grounds, she grinds her teeth and hows and that

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sound can be heard for miles. She knew WICKI bitch,

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that's one bitch man.

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Speaker 1: Well what does she do with the tan skins?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think anyone's hung around to

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find out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the funny thing about folk glor is

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because when you start to look at it, yeah, try

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to put some logic to it in terms of why

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something does what it does. I mean again, we're dealing

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with either a folklore just you know, stories that took

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on life of their own over time, scary ghost storage

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change changes, or like with the fairy lore, what I

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feel are real elemental type of entities. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you look at the churches in the UK and everything,

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and look up in the you see all these grow

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test faces and things, you know, even in Notre Dame

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Cathedral high up this grotesque the gargoyles, the gargoyles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're meant to scare away demons or evil spirits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this very thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I wish it would have scared away a

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couple of my exes. I should have had some gargoyles around.

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Speaker 2: My I thought they were one night.

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Speaker 1: Well they turned out to be. Yeah, but you know,

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I know what I.

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Speaker 2: Saw them as well. I've got one living next door.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was more of a troll.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it is a troll. It's definitely a troll. Anyway,

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let's get into a ghost one now, should I White ladies?

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White lady or white ladies.

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Speaker 1: Very popular even over here, very very popular.

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Speaker 2: And they are always shrouded in tragedy, you know, either

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accidental dead, broken heart where lovers lost and left them,

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a murder or suicide something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes the white dress that they wear is

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considered like a wedding gown some woman who killed herself

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on her wedding night or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're often seen. It's usually around the area

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where they died, but they can be seen on lonely roads,

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in forests, castles and towers, cemetery cemeteries too. Yeah. It's

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one of the most common ghosts in England and the

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most commonest of the lot is am Boleyn Henry the

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Eight's wife, and she gets about in quite a few places.

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She haunts, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, or they what they say is Amberley in Amberlin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well this is that there's so many of them,

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you know. But apparently Amberley's halls here, there and everywhere.

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You know, I know about ten places she's meant to,

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but that you know, others people people just don't know

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the stories behind the other ones that they see. They're

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all lost to history. Their names and the reasons why

469
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,799
they die. They get lost to history, which is a shame.

470
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,880
Amberley she's famous, and you know, you see a white

471
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,519
lady half the time. People are going to put it

472
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,640
down to amberleyon because she's the star of the show

473
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,160
and she.

474
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: Always has to be somebody famous.

475
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: It's when I see a property up darling, you know,

476
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,480
if I was to say, oh, I got Amberlin halting there,

477
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,960
she stayed here in year short all yeah, you know,

478
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:14,119
and that's she stayed here, and she's slept in that

479
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:17,759
bed upstairs that goes the press of my house.

480
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:23,759
Speaker 1: There you go other than your your your butt post.

481
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Normal ghost and it goes down, doesn't it? If there

482
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:27,480
are nothing.

483
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like your butt poking ghost.

484
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Oh god, well I think that's nobbling, the goblin that

485
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:35,119
keeps poking the butt.

486
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got mine when I was brushing my tears.

487
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:48,079
Speaker 2: Have mine the other day. Just yes, Nobling the goblin

488
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:56,079
is a butt post. But but poker. Oh well then

489
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,680
that doesn't sound too good, does it when we say

490
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,680
it like that. Yeah, they apologize for anybody that takes

491
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,160
that is being rude. I'm sorry. It should be mine,

492
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,640
isn't it. It's not mine?

493
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:18,799
Speaker 1: Oh lordy, lordy. Well there's other more famous ones, like

494
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,680
you know you have Banshee.

495
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:28,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got uh it's red caps. What's the

496
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:33,559
other one? Oh god, isn't it Jack sprint Dole. What's

497
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:35,759
his name, springheel Jack.

498
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,319
Speaker 1: Spring heel Jack. Yes, I've heard of spring wheel Jack Jack.

499
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:45,279
Speaker 2: He's a phantom from the Victorian London. He used to

500
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,759
He's tall and he's thin, and he's got clawed hands,

501
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,039
eyes of red, balls of fire and where's the black cloak.

502
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,839
Speaker 1: There's those red eyes again.

503
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very energetic. It'd be great in the Olympics

504
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:02,000
if it's just around today anyway. Here they say he

505
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:04,920
could breathe out blue and white flames. So he does that,

506
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:11,559
I don't know. Yeah, he'd love to terrify people on

507
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:15,599
the streets of London, especially coachmen, so that they would

508
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:21,199
crash their coaches. And he would literally follow and scare

509
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,719
young women in the dark streets of the city.

510
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

511
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: And it flee it, flee the scene, little devil. He

512
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,559
would flee the scene, laughing as he jumped over the

513
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,800
walls and run over rooftops. No one ever found Jack,

514
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,480
which is strange really, because you know, it's like another Jack,

515
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:44,800
isn't it. Then I found either Jack the Ripper. Yeah,

516
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:50,320
in times I wonder if there's any link there.

517
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: Well, no, Well, the problem is Jack the Ripper was

518
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:59,960
at least a real serial killer, and then spring hilled

519
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:01,519
Jack is more folklore.

520
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's folklore. Now, but where does folklore stop?

521
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:12,559
Speaker 1: Well again, it all depends. I mean I sometimes a

522
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:18,679
place will get a reputation that's completely unfounded, and then

523
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,320
people keep adding to the stories and stories which I've investigated.

524
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,880
There's one place here in New Jersey that they made

525
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,400
a big deal about called Clinton Road, which is this

526
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:40,119
kind of stretch of desolate road. Mark you're Morris County, Uh,

527
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,679
and it goes over the state border and drops down

528
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,400
into Upper Greenwood Lake and getting in towards New York,

529
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,320
didn't you. Yeah, I made a little documentary on it

530
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,679
many years ago, and you know, with interviewing locals who

531
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,280
live there, I debunked the whole thing as just being

532
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,159
stories made up or past events that were misinterpreted, like

533
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,599
they said there was supposed to be KK members or

534
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,119
all satan Is out in the woods these people in

535
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:15,840
white robes.

536
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,679
Speaker 2: Turned out they were always in the woods around the cemeteries.

537
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:24,199
Speaker 1: Well, it turned out that there used to be a

538
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,079
nudist camp up there, and people would park their cars

539
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:29,639
and they couldn't walk up nudes, so they wore their

540
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,719
white robes going up into the camp.

541
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: That's interesting. They may have put the room around and

542
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,880
stop people doing a bit of voyeurism.

543
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: Well what happened is we have a magazine called Weird

544
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,760
New Jersey here that posts all these weird things about

545
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,679
New Jersey, and they've done so many articles on that

546
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,480
road and it just keeps building the folklore when there's

547
00:36:55,519 --> 00:37:01,719
nothing there. Now. Other people talk about supply phantom cars

548
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,920
that come out of nowhere and chase you and chase

549
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,400
you out of the area. Well, what it is, it's

550
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:11,719
locals who are either getting a thrill or they're trying

551
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,079
to get all the lookie lose to get the hell

552
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:16,760
out of there because they, you know, they're tired of

553
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,599
all the people coming up and and ghost hunting or

554
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,679
trying to look for stuff.

555
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would get on the nerves.

556
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:32,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm going to talk about a couple of

557
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:34,679
things we have over here that are very similar. When

558
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:38,760
you're talking about the I can't even pronounce the name

559
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,599
with the phantom dogs or the shape changing dogs. There

560
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:52,400
is a old Native American legend that unfortunately has just

561
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:59,039
blown up in pop culture right now that there's a

562
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:04,039
million TikTok videos on it right now called skin walkers.

563
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:10,599
Oh yeah, Now, for those who don't know, I mean

564
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,239
a skinwalker originally.

565
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: A fairly new legends, aren't they.

566
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: No, they're a few well define yeah, they go back, well,

567
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,760
they can go back hundreds of years, but a lot

568
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:31,360
of them, you know, are still happening today among and

569
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,760
they're very much believed among Native American tribes, especially in

570
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,360
the Southwest. The Navajo and the Hope and the Utes,

571
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:46,519
they all had they all had versions of skinwalkers, which

572
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:52,360
basically a skin walker is supposed to be an evil

573
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:59,559
sorcerer or like a medicine man that is evil, goes

574
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:03,920
to the dark side, performs black magic, makes people sick.

575
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:08,039
I mean, in Navajo culture, you don't even mention them,

576
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,599
you don't talk about them, and they certainly don't talk

577
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,880
about to outsiders about them because even talking about it

578
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,800
could like attract one to you, and they cause illness

579
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:25,000
and death. And but that's the thing is the skinwalker

580
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:28,400
name comes from the fact that they can supposedly shape

581
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:36,440
shift into different animals, most famously coyote or deer, something

582
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,239
along those lines. But now it's taken on this mythology

583
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,159
that people are out all looking for skinwalkers, you know everywhere.

584
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, there's even a thing on the television

585
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,639
over here, the Hunt the skin Walkers something like that.

586
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: Well, that's the Skinwalker Ranch in Utah, and they only

587
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,119
call it that because of supposedly a legend with the

588
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,920
Utes and the Navajo were disputing owning that territory, and

589
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,280
they went to war several times, and supposedly the Navajo

590
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:19,559
cursed this area of land and people supposedly they said

591
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:24,519
there's skin walkers there. But there's a contradiction because now

592
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:29,000
people think, oh, we skinwalkers, this mythical being, shape shifting being,

593
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,639
not realizing it's based on a human being, a human

594
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,760
who's who's getting into dark powers and dark magic. Now

595
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,800
it's now it's this mythical creature that people seem to

596
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,360
think they can find anywhere, and they call it a

597
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,800
skin walker. It's like, see how things folklore can take

598
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,800
on a life of its own and morph into something

599
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:59,960
completely different than the original stories. And that's that's where

600
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:04,679
I look at in the UK and the fairy lore,

601
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:11,000
that there's versions of that, like you said, all around

602
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:16,559
the world, icelandic elves. Elves are the big thing in Iceland, Norway,

603
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:21,840
the trolls. Trolls are the big thing in the Middle

604
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:29,360
East Muslim countries. It's the gin. They're all elemental types

605
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:37,480
of creatures or beings that can be mischievous, dangerous, or

606
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,880
helpful depending on what you're encountering.

607
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:42,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

608
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:48,119
Speaker 1: Now, as for the Tommy Knockers, here's what I find

609
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:53,360
fascinating because I did an investigation once in an old

610
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,920
cave system on.

611
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and.

612
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: That was very good because, yeah, the evidence that I

613
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,239
caught there made no sense to me because there's no

614
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,079
record of anybody dying in that cave. I mean it

615
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,400
goes way back. I was back about one thousand feet

616
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,199
or more in this cave system. It's a it's a

617
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,519
tourist spot in Colorado outside of Colorado Springs Manitou Springs,

618
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,159
and you could take tours and they have it lit

619
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:34,239
and with walkways and whatnot. But there there is a

620
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,199
spot getting towards the very back of the cave, at

621
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,639
least the part that's open to the public. Yeah, you

622
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,960
have to kind of stoop down at one point to

623
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,079
get through this little tube tunnel to get out, and

624
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:52,840
it opens up into a larger chamber. Yeah, and that

625
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,519
is where most of the activity was said to be.

626
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,920
You know, we we got the cave privately for an

627
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,599
to do an investigation. Nobody else was there except our

628
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:11,639
one guide handler who worked for the museum, and again,

629
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:18,079
nobody's ever died there. And yet we caught not only

630
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:26,400
EVPs galore, one very menacing, one saying get out, but

631
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:31,400
we also heard voices, we heard like screams in the distance,

632
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:38,039
We felt things, and on video I caught light anomalies

633
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,280
and it's very much like what you were talking about.

634
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,760
The fairy lights, willow wisp the balls of light that

635
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,639
people can see out in the woods, and they follow them,

636
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,320
and no matter how much you follow them, you can't

637
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,880
get to them. They keep moving farther away and leading,

638
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,639
almost like they're leading you. And yet I filmed lights,

639
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:03,800
and these weren't just orbs, although I caught some orbs

640
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,679
that I know were not dust. The air was clean

641
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,880
down there. There was no dust, It was pure rock.

642
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:11,920
And there's no insects down there.

643
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,519
Speaker 2: I saw, I saw the film that you've done.

644
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a sterile part of the cave, so there's

645
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:20,440
no insects. So in the cracks of the rocks, all

646
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,079
of a sudden, these bright lights would appear for several

647
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:28,880
seconds and then disappear, and then appear and reappear in

648
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:35,199
different areas. Yeah, heard a loud like a growl or grunt.

649
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,280
So it makes me again, my logical brain is trying

650
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,440
to figure out nobody died there. There's no human spirits.

651
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,199
The Native Americans in the area did not go into

652
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,880
the cave, and they sure didn't go that deep. And

653
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:59,039
what could be there? What is really there? And I

654
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:06,360
go back to the folklore of the Tommy Knockers or

655
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,519
these elemental types of spirits. There's a lot of stories

656
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,320
of caves and old minds having all this kind of activity.

657
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:22,159
So what if there is something that lives underground, something

658
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:26,559
we consider paranormal because most times we can't see it

659
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:29,880
with our eyes. It does things that defy you know,

660
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:34,239
science and reality, and yet we're able to record it.

661
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:41,239
We're able to record audio, sometimes video, and these things exist.

662
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:45,000
There is this guy I follow on YouTube. He has

663
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,639
a channel called Exploring Abandoned Minds and he's just a

664
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:55,480
pure splunker. He just goes into old California Nevada mines

665
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:59,559
and explores them and films them. And he's not a

666
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:03,440
paranormal guy in anyway. And yet in about two or

667
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,800
three of these minds, he went into this one especially,

668
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,119
he was way back in and all of a sudden,

669
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,559
these whispered voices were all around him, and then they

670
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:17,760
got louder. It was like three or four people having

671
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,079
a hushed conversation right next to him. And he finally said, oh,

672
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,280
that's it, I'm out of here, and he caught out.

673
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:31,599
And so what is that about? It's fascinating to me.

674
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,519
I really find it fascinating. And I think a lot

675
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,440
of these stories and myths and legends have to deal

676
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:45,960
with these very real types of elemental entities, creatures whatever

677
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,639
you want to call them, that interact with people, and

678
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:53,440
of course everyone has a different version of it, but

679
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,440
they're all related in some way.

680
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, very true. Well, you remember that dre

681
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,599
in my head? I told you about where I was

682
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:10,559
in an underground cave system and there was I was

683
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:16,079
watching from behind this. Uh, I don't know what I wanted.

684
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,440
I'd say it was like a wall ducting, you know,

685
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:24,280
I was. I was watching these like troll like beans

686
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:31,239
eating people. And I had that dream what futy odd

687
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,079
years ago, and I can still remember it now as

688
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,320
clear as a day. It was absolutely just you know,

689
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:43,400
I can still remember what they looked like, people hanging

690
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,719
up and you know I was only a keep when

691
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,760
I dreamt at.

692
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:53,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when you remember a dream that clearly

693
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,360
for years.

694
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: After, especially me because I remote few.

695
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: Well, because it's not a dream, because we all dream,

696
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,119
and we all either can't remember it when we wake up,

697
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,320
or we remember it for a few minutes and then

698
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,239
it's gone unless you write it down immediately. But then

699
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,320
there are those dreams that are so vivid and they

700
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,039
stick with you your entire life. I've had dreams going

701
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:23,599
all the way back childhood and in my teens, very

702
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,519
vivid memories. At least one of them I thought was

703
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:30,960
a past life memory, and it still sticks with me today.

704
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:36,199
Every little detail sticks with me, or even like having

705
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:41,480
a vision. I had a very symbolic dream in high

706
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:45,760
school that has stuck with me. I'm sixty years old

707
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,519
now and I still remember that dream in vivid detail.

708
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:56,159
But it was a symbolic dream about my path moving

709
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:59,960
forward in the future, pulling away from old belief systems

710
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:06,079
and moving towards on a new path. And it's fascinating.

711
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,159
I mean, it's what the human mind does, what other

712
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:16,760
forces are doing, and what you saw in that dream,

713
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:21,920
it coincides with There's a lot of these. Uh. There's

714
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,159
a few authors out there that pretty much read there.

715
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,920
They write books and they regurgitate stories about people who

716
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,280
go missing. David polides and is missing for one one

717
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:42,519
books Steph Young, who's kind of a copycat. Uh, we

718
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:47,519
had her on the show. Well, I've read her books

719
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:52,280
and yeah, she's she's like in fact, even David Polid's

720
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:52,960
and her had a.

721
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's between them all.

722
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: Well, in any case, there were a lot of stories

723
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,440
that they talk about where people are in these caves

724
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,719
or they get lured in these caves and they see

725
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,400
these beings. There's one story I remember where somebody was

726
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,880
like on a on a ledge there was a little chasm,

727
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:17,960
and I'm.

728
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, but I can't see how anyone can have copyright

729
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:22,920
on that because that's happening all over the world and

730
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,480
it has been happening in foundreds of years, I know,

731
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:27,079
and that's a lot of the fun floor.

732
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,559
Speaker 1: Well I know that, but you know, yeah, I've had

733
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:33,320
my own run in with David, so you know it's

734
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:39,880
I don't care what I'll say, what I think, But anyway,

735
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:46,119
the you know, there's a story of somebody who had

736
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:49,199
gone into a cave or whatnot, and then they saw

737
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,599
on the other side of this little chasm there was

738
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:55,280
a ledge and there was several of these tall white

739
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,400
beings that were standing there and they seemed to be

740
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,159
beckoning for that person to come, and the person just

741
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,039
felt extreme dread and got out of there. And there

742
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:12,880
are the stories of people supposedly being disappearing and maybe

743
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,079
that's what happens to him. They're being eaten or who

744
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:22,559
knows what. But your dream goes right along with what

745
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,280
some people have reported or experienced.

746
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very uch, not six years ago, maybe more.

747
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:41,119
Speaker 1: I mean again, there's so much folklore though that revolves

748
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:48,039
around people being led astray, Yeah, being killed or eaten trolls.

749
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: Like, there's so gory. Isn't it absolutely gory? The other one, well,

750
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,480
I suppose if it wasn't gory, then you know no

751
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:57,519
one had taken in notice, really would they?

752
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: It's like Stun telling him fire stories. The scarier the better,

753
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,000
and people will.

754
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,519
Speaker 2: But can I tell you what about red Caps? Yes,

755
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,679
I didn't know these little devils even existed until today.

756
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:23,599
Red caps right now? They live along the English Scottish border, okay,

757
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,840
and they're like a little evil goblin and they inhabit

758
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,599
ruined castles and towers. And thank god they're up there

759
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:34,039
and not down there, because it's got a hell of

760
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,440
a lot of ruined castles down in Wales. Just we've

761
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,119
got our own goblins in them as well. But they've

762
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:47,639
literally got a history of foul deeds and murder. M

763
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:51,280
they do like to murder. They lay it away. They

764
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:56,880
lay away for lone traveler. You know, they can't get

765
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,880
the words out now. They lay waiting for loans to

766
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:06,719
walk along the ball or come in the actual borderlands themselves.

767
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: Similar to the dogs. Now, are you saying cat like

768
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,639
feline or no?

769
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:17,039
Speaker 2: These are goblins, okay, evil goblins, red red caps. They're

770
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:22,000
called capsa caps because of their hats red.

771
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,159
Speaker 1: Oh okay, got it, got it, got it.

772
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:27,639
Speaker 2: Go right now. They got razor sharp teeth and fingernails

773
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:32,920
like eagles, tonnels. They got fiery red eyes, and they

774
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,559
wear iron boots for some reason. You know, this is

775
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,559
another thing, iron boots. They said, if you want to

776
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:42,000
keep the evil fairies and things outside your house, make

777
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:45,039
sure you put an iron nail or an iron cross

778
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:48,599
on the door. They don't like iron, but these little

779
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:53,280
devils they wear iron boots. They got dirty, long tangled

780
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,039
hair that hangs down their backs, all right, and they

781
00:53:57,079 --> 00:53:59,880
carry a pike staff. You know what pike staff?

782
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: Ah? Yes, yes, yeah, yes.

783
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: Anyway, they attacked the victims with that, and then they

784
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,960
dipped their hats in the blood of their victims. And

785
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:14,960
that's why they called red caps.

786
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: Hm.

787
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: The horrible levels. Yeah, and talking about things in castles

788
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,679
like God brings this that and the other can be

789
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,599
that photograph I took Glenn Stephen Castle.

790
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah with your son and the wind. Well,

791
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,800
there was the one with your son in the window

792
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,719
and it looks like there is this woman superimposed over

793
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:46,199
him standing there. And then but yeah, when the the

794
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,599
picture of the outside of the castle and you could

795
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,400
see the high window up there, and there was something

796
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,280
in that window and there's no floor up there, so

797
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:01,039
nobody can yeah yeah, and it was looking out and

798
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,320
it had I mean when I zoomed in on it

799
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,639
and cropped it, you could see this weird creature with

800
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,000
a tail, yeah, sitting there looking out the window at you.

801
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like.

802
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,199
Speaker 1: When we went to what's that castle? We went to

803
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,800
oh kid, welly.

804
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 2: Sorry I got chocolate in my mouth castle.

805
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: And you're not sharing with the group?

806
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,639
Speaker 2: Wait chocola don Yeah?

807
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: So kid Willy Castle. The remember when you you stood outside,

808
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,800
you looked in that turret window and then you just

809
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,119
you couldn't even speak. You just motioned to me like

810
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:50,719
there's something in there. And that's when I pointed the

811
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,079
camera in there and caught that shadow moving all across

812
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:58,360
the wall and there's nothing in there, nobody, nothing that

813
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,480
could have caused that shadow. Yeah, oh god, I want

814
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:04,840
to come back. I want to go so bad, come back.

815
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,119
Speaker 2: And explore the legends of the United Kingdom.

816
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I definitely would love to do that, like to

817
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,840
get out out of Wales a little bit more and

818
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:18,000
get out to some of these areas and explore. Love

819
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:18,880
to go to Scotland.

820
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,519
Speaker 2: I got a hell of a lot up there. Yeah,

821
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,440
so yeah, that's what you want to do when we come.

822
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,000
Come over at some point and we'll go what could

823
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:34,079
you call them? Not gobbling hunting?

824
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: Well, monster hunting.

825
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:47,079
Speaker 2: They're not really monsters are they investigating?

826
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: You know, just look into they go.

827
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: I don't say fairy hunting either.

828
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: There's week there's one more famous folks or from Britain

829
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:07,039
we haven't discussed yet. Okay. The big black cats, oh yeah,

830
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:08,679
almost like panthers.

831
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: Were they seen all over the place, you know, there

832
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,519
was one in Wyre I think it's Wales, which was

833
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,320
seen by a policeman early hours of the morning.

834
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: Ah.

835
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: They've been seen down on the moors, our dart Moor

836
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:26,360
and places like that. And someone was telling me years

837
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:31,760
ago that he was tucked by he kept peaks and

838
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,000
something pulled one of his big balls over the wall.

839
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:39,840
It had to be something big and strong to pull

840
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,440
it over the wall and kill it. Yeah, take it

841
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:47,960
off like it was a rabbit. It's yeah.

842
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:52,719
Speaker 1: But those sightings are all over the UK. And here's

843
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,119
what's funny is now we have panthers or mountain lions

844
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:04,159
here in the US game. They're they're everywhere, and they're brown.

845
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: But then natural, aren't they. It's not the reason why

846
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,400
we've got them over here is because back in the

847
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,920
seventies it was the thing to have your own tiger

848
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:19,840
or your own crocodile and things like that. In fact,

849
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,880
I had a boyfriend who had a crocodile in the bar.

850
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,199
He kept it in the bath until it got too big,

851
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,599
and then he had to give it to the zoo.

852
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:33,119
But then in the seventies they brought out licensing, and

853
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:36,880
it was very expensive to license these exotic creatures that

854
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,119
people kept as pets, so they let them go.

855
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,079
Speaker 1: So you think a lot of these these stories of

856
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:47,360
the black panther could be like released. Somebody had a

857
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,519
panther cub or or whatever.

858
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: A couple of panthers and they've bred and you.

859
00:58:53,719 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: Know, black panthers, not black leopards, but there's there's no

860
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,440
black panthers. No. The reason I was telling that story

861
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:09,320
is because they're not supposed to exist, and I've seen

862
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,880
not one, but two at the same time. When I

863
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,199
was a kid, I was twelve years old, I think

864
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:23,719
maybe even younger than that. My family we lived in California.

865
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:30,039
We did a vacation in Death Valley one year, which

866
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:33,920
is beautiful but desolate, and you definitely don't want to

867
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,880
be there in the summer because it can gets up

868
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,880
to one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty degrees.

869
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,199
But we were hiking and we were going through. We

870
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:47,239
were in this canyon, so there was these steep walls

871
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,400
on either side, and then at one point we saw

872
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:55,320
way up the canyon wall, I would say, about one

873
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,719
hundred feet above us, on a ledge. There were two

874
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,199
panthers walking around on this ledge. You could see the tails,

875
01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:09,519
you could see they were big, and they weren't laying there.

876
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:13,440
They were actually kind of walking around and moving. And

877
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,800
as a kid, I'm looking at this and I'm fascinated

878
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,880
by it. And of course, you know, the parents nobody

879
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,199
ever believed us, but I normally saw it, but my

880
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,239
cousins saw it as well. And yet they're not supposed

881
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,119
to exist. And in Death Valley there's hardly any wildlife.

882
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:38,000
There's certainly not much there that could sustain a large

883
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:41,320
animal like a like a panther or a cat. But

884
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,960
these are pure black. Yeah.

885
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: I don't know whether there's a black panthers, black leopards

886
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,679
or black or what they are. You know, some of

887
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:54,719
them are even tanned color. But they're just called big

888
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,280
cats over here. Yeah, because they're not natural. They're not

889
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,000
natural to this country. No, But then are you know

890
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:07,039
in Russia and places like that. Yeah, yeah, much have

891
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:08,719
I made their way across I don't know.

892
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,239
Speaker 1: Could be people brought them or somehow. You know, sometimes

893
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,320
there are creatures that are in areas where they're not

894
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,519
supposed to be and they show up there, and a

895
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:26,000
lot of it like down in down on the Florida Everglades.

896
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:31,719
They're having issues now where they're getting these big anacondas,

897
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:35,760
the big snakes.

898
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: I don't like, Yeah, but like them supposed to.

899
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,519
Speaker 1: They're you know, they're mostly down in South America or

900
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:48,800
in Asia. But what happened was people had them as

901
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,000
pets and when they got too big, would release them

902
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,360
into the wild while they started thriving in the wild.

903
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,760
So now they have them there. Even the old, the

904
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,880
old folklore mythology here in New York City, they talked

905
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,760
about alligators in the sewer because people used to get

906
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,760
baby alligators, Like you said, these these exotic animals, and

907
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,880
when they started getting too big and dangerous, they they

908
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,840
let them go in the sewers. I mean, I think

909
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:22,079
they even made a movie about that once, of alligators

910
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:29,039
in the sewers. So who knows. Uh, It's it's funny

911
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:32,239
how folklore real life things can take on a life

912
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,480
of their own. Some are never proven, but you know,

913
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,079
the mythology is strong and can last for hundreds of years.

914
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:42,119
Speaker 2: True.

915
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we could do we could do another

916
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:48,239
episode talking about more of these creatures, because we just

917
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,880
barely scratched the surface. We just we mostly talked about

918
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,079
the UK, but uh, everywhere here in the US and

919
01:02:56,159 --> 01:03:00,920
South America and the islands and every where there are

920
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:05,880
these these creatures. So but anyway, we'll have to save

921
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,920
that for the next show because we have run out

922
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:08,280
of time.

923
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,119
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, I can go and see to Pepper.

924
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: Time lies when you're having fun.

925
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:19,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it does, doesn't it.

926
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:26,119
Speaker 1: Well, until next time. I have a subject I'm already

927
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:28,360
have in mind I want to talk about next time.

928
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,039
Speaker 2: Let no, no, no no, Let people look forward to

929
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:35,199
the subject.

930
01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about interdimensional stuff, different realities,

931
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:45,400
alternate realities, all these types of things. So we we've

932
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:47,760
touched on before. But yeah, we'll do a whole show

933
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,599
on it. So that's what I want to talk about

934
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,800
next time, so people can look forward to that. So

935
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:59,280
in the meantime, thank you everyone for tuning into another

936
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,400
episode of The Reality Realm here on the Paranormal UK

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Radio Network. We forgot to say that in the beginning,

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and uh you.

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Speaker 2: You did because you made a boo boo. I did

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you always say you know I used to make a booboo?

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This used to make a boo boo.

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Speaker 1: I'm human, I know you will you on the other hand, well.

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Speaker 2: Let's still under zabate darling.

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Speaker 1: Well and where can people find us?

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Speaker 2: Everywhere?

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Speaker 1: People everywhere, wherever podcasts can be found. So everyone, thanks

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for tuning in. We will see you all next week.

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Be good humans and have a good one by bye.