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<v Speaker 1>It's nice size. Dan Ray und Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my theory tonight, which I'd like to hear your

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to, is that today there was a sea change

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<v Speaker 2>in American foreign policy and that the sea change that

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<v Speaker 2>we have felt today is that basically between the Defense

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary Pete heg Seth speaking to NATO allies in Europe

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<v Speaker 2>and President Trump's comments during a couple of events in

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<v Speaker 2>the last day at the White House has made it

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear that he wants to end the hostilities in

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine and end them pretty quickly. He made it point.

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<v Speaker 2>He made the point today that Vladimir Putin has been

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<v Speaker 2>very cooperative in the release of Mark Fogel, the teacher

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<v Speaker 2>who was received. I think it's been in prison there

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<v Speaker 2>seven years long time for nothing. He was caught with

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<v Speaker 2>medical marijuana for his own use. Not he wasn't. He was,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, accused and convicted in a Russian kangaroo court

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<v Speaker 2>of trafficking and was sentenced at believed to fourteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>So comments that the President today made about Vladimir Putin

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<v Speaker 2>that they're going to meet. He intends to go to

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<v Speaker 2>Moscow Putin unspecified dates. They'll meet at a conference in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East first sort of neutral territory, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Putin will come to Washington. It's going to be quite

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<v Speaker 2>a spectacle, that is for sure. But at this point

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump has stepped both feet onto the international stage,

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<v Speaker 2>not only talking about ending the war at least the

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<v Speaker 2>hostilities some sort of a ceasefire initially in Ukraine and

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<v Speaker 2>in short order, but he also has the threat out

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<v Speaker 2>towards Amas that if they don't release all the Israeli hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>all hell is going to break loose. Now, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>make threats like that without following through on those threats.

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<v Speaker 2>So my argument is that Donald Trump today, after having

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<v Speaker 2>spent the first three weeks of his second term focusing

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<v Speaker 2>on domestic issues, is now out on the international stage,

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<v Speaker 2>is back on the international stage. That's my theory. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to have you joined the conversation. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of open lines, one at six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty and one at six one, seven, nine, three,

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty. Let me go to Tim and Wilber

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<v Speaker 2>and Tim. Hey, welcome back, Tim. How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good, Dan, how are you doing great?

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a pretty significant day, at least

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<v Speaker 2>that's my sense. I wonder if you feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think, right, the whole thing's a big mess.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a mess. You're talking about what Japan will do,

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<v Speaker 3>what China will do, Korea. There's so much going on.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to see peace writer than do something, But

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. There's been so much bloodshed and more

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<v Speaker 3>people are up to more things. Anyhow, I'm very pessimistic

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<v Speaker 3>about the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, it's funny if you're looking for the end

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<v Speaker 2>of hostilities in Ukraine. I think that Donald Trump, who

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<v Speaker 2>does not have the same relationship with Zelinsky that I

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<v Speaker 2>think Joe Biden had. Joe Biden pretty much gave Zelinsky

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<v Speaker 2>everything he asked for, not necessarily when he asked for it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he gave Zolensky enough to keep Ukraine alive. Many

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<v Speaker 2>people felt that that whole invasion by Russia back in

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<v Speaker 2>February of twenty twenty two was going to maybe take

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<v Speaker 2>three or four days. Well it's now I'm about to

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<v Speaker 2>enter the fourth year. But I don't think it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be much of a fourth year. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump has decided that the piece that this war

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<v Speaker 2>has to end uh and it's probably going to end

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<v Speaker 2>on terms that are more satisfactory to Putin than they

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<v Speaker 2>are to Zolensky. Matter of fact, today Trump made the

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<v Speaker 2>comment that Zelensky's poll numbers weren't very good. And I

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<v Speaker 2>have seen that poll as well that the public in

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine was growing weary of the war.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, well, people, it's people are funny the whole

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<v Speaker 3>thing right to me, Right, I'm very pessimistic about the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing. I hope, right, and I pray that they

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<v Speaker 3>can do something to straighten this thing out. This isn't

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<v Speaker 3>going on for so long. The bloodshed has been horrendous,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Tim, I appreciate it. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people see it the way you see it. I really do,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly people here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, tomorrow will be careful to our and it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't be driving. I'm sleeping in in the morning

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<v Speaker 2>next him. Good talking you soon, all right, Great talking

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<v Speaker 2>to you as well. Sixty eight nine nine ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a Trump fan, the last few weeks, the

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<v Speaker 2>first three weeks of his administration have been very good,

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<v Speaker 2>I think for him. Despite the number of judges that

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<v Speaker 2>have have acceded to the request for temporary injunctions. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>the judge in Boston today now is allowing this resignation,

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<v Speaker 2>this solicitation for REGI resignations to go forward. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think I read somewhere that there's about seventy five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>federal employees who have who are willing to submit their resignations.

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<v Speaker 2>And again that's uh that was held up for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>but apparently late today the judges has looked at it

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<v Speaker 2>more closely. And the judge is a good judge, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, his name is George O'Toole, a very thoughtful judge.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's keep rolling. Here're going to go next to Rick

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<v Speaker 2>and Bill. Rick, Rick, how are you tonight? Welcome?

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<v Speaker 4>Good, how are you doing. I appreciate what Tim just

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<v Speaker 4>said a moment ago in Wuburn. You know, it has

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<v Speaker 4>to end, and it shouldn't end. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a little unfear that's it seems to be very very

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<v Speaker 4>much on the side of Putin getting everything he wants.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. It seems to me that it would only

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<v Speaker 4>be fair if anything taken from Ukraine is given back

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<v Speaker 4>to Russia and vice versa, except for Crimeia. For Crimea,

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<v Speaker 4>because I was onto Obama and Crimea was taken what

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<v Speaker 4>ten years ago or something like that or.

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<v Speaker 2>More twenty fourteen, eleven years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Fourteen, okay, eleven years ago. Sorry, that was taken, but

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<v Speaker 4>everything else should be given back. Putin's a bully, but

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<v Speaker 4>I will agree that it should be that they can't

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<v Speaker 4>join NATO because, let's face it, they're at the they're

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<v Speaker 4>at the tail end or the front, or however you

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<v Speaker 4>want to put it, of a massive piece of land

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<v Speaker 4>called Russia. They're not separated. They're together. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's it's like it's like conjoined twins. One of

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<v Speaker 4>them is trying to get straying or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, let's let's use a different word. That they're

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<v Speaker 2>not together. They're contiguous. And uh, it's it's like the different.

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<v Speaker 4>Countries, but they're they're together on the same piece of land.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not like, you know, some of the other Ukraine

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<v Speaker 4>NATO nations are far away from Russia and separated by that.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and the point you're making is a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>But Putin is afraid. Uh you know, it's it's he

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<v Speaker 2>wants a buffer around Russia. Uh. He looks at mother

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<v Speaker 2>Russia and I mentioned last hour. Then he sees the

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<v Speaker 2>collapse of the Soviet Union as the worst disaster of

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<v Speaker 2>the twentieth century. Now that's his I think he's dead wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's his perspective. And you got to understand when

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<v Speaker 2>you're negotiating with someone where they're coming from. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think President Trump does understand that.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, but it's still it's still a little unfair. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the whole NATO thing. Is okay, if they don't

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<v Speaker 4>join NATO, at least give them their land back and

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<v Speaker 4>work with them and stop taking them over.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I agree with you, but but how Okay, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>so what you're saying is okay, because I think what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying is because Russia the next crimea right after

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<v Speaker 2>the Socio Olympics during President Obama's administration. Uh, that land

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<v Speaker 2>is now Russia, is what I heard you say.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I did. I did. Okay, they take that.

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<v Speaker 4>But anything that happened from day one February or early

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<v Speaker 4>March three years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what about if you're okay, I'm gonna put

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<v Speaker 2>you in the spot. Now you're negotiating right with Putin,

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<v Speaker 2>and Putin says, no, we took the Dombas region, which

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<v Speaker 2>is part of eastern Ukraine, and it is a Russian

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<v Speaker 2>popular it's a it's an overwhelming, you know, Russian ethnic

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<v Speaker 2>population that is part of Russia, historically part of Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>and we want it. And if we don't get it,

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<v Speaker 2>the war continues. What are you gonna say to him?

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<v Speaker 5>I just.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, let the work. And I don't know how

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<v Speaker 4>big is how big is Tombas, It's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a pretty it's probably ten percent of Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I just think Ukraine should get everything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I got here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if if if Putin said, okay, we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>out of Dombas and and we've lost a million soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>and it was all for not I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 4>I really don't know he's not gonna but I'd say

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<v Speaker 4>the war goes on if we don't get all our

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<v Speaker 4>territory back except Crimea, and we'll give you.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say, if we don't get.

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<v Speaker 4>All terry now you know from I'm from the standpoint

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<v Speaker 4>of Ukraine from so now, what.

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<v Speaker 2>About okay, President Zelinsky? What about if President Trump calls

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<v Speaker 2>you up, President Zelinsky and says you better give back

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<v Speaker 2>the Donbass region back. If you don't, the war's going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue, and we are pulling out our support. We're

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<v Speaker 2>pulling the rug out from underneath your President Zelensky.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's just what we're doing. Is we're sort of

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<v Speaker 2>doing a war game here. That's all you and me, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, because it's a good war game. Because I

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<v Speaker 4>can't I have to factor in President Trump and what

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<v Speaker 4>what the United States is willing to give in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of supporting the war. It's just an unfortunate thing. It's like,

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<v Speaker 4>I understand NATO, but just give the land back and

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<v Speaker 4>stop bullying, and and don't go to NA, don't try

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<v Speaker 4>to join NATO. Make that off the table.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what I said.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Well that's gonna be a tough one for

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<v Speaker 2>Zelensky to swallow either, because Lensky always thought that we

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do you remember when, uh, when when Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden went over there and and got on the train

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<v Speaker 2>and and and and brought rode into Kiev under the

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<v Speaker 2>cover of darkness. I mean, that was that had to

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<v Speaker 2>pump up Zelinsky at that point. I mean literally, President

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<v Speaker 2>Biden takes his I mean at that point, that train

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<v Speaker 2>could have been hit by a missile in a New

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<v Speaker 2>York second, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's a change of administrations, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>change of foreign policy, simple as that.

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<v Speaker 4>That is, that is true, and I I appreciate how

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<v Speaker 4>you put it. You're true. That's that's your lawyer and

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<v Speaker 4>you you have you have, you have a nice understanding

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<v Speaker 4>of the greater picture. And I'm just focusing on one side.

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<v Speaker 2>You did a great job, you kidd me. You you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're negotiating in a difficultst of circumstances. That's where Zolenski

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<v Speaker 2>finds himself right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 3>The call is always rich to me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, you keep calling this program. I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy our conversations.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you much, thank you, bye bye, a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>But take a quick break coming back on nights side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to dan Way Window World.

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<v Speaker 5>Nightside Studios on w BZ Blues Radio's good role.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go to bo in holding Bo Welcome you

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<v Speaker 6>Hello then, and thank you for letting me speak. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>other listeners and again I'm listening to your program. I

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<v Speaker 6>love it. There is a thing which nobody is talking about.

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<v Speaker 6>So two days ago, if not yesterday, the president of Romania,

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<v Speaker 6>Klaus Johanni, is resigned. Now this this tells me, and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm pretty familiar with what's happening in there. I just

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<v Speaker 6>and a half months. I'm not gonna say what why,

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<v Speaker 6>So what's happening? This was the last Easter Ropeia leader

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<v Speaker 6>the president of Romania was the last I mean Victor Urban.

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<v Speaker 6>We all know the Hungarian guys hand in hand with

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<v Speaker 6>countries which are bordering Ukraine. Romania is bordered in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 6>and Romania has an anti missile shield. And American Romanyia

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<v Speaker 6>is the biggest or the second Eastern European allied of

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<v Speaker 6>the United States in Eastern Europe. And now the president resigned,

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<v Speaker 6>so the last Lensky hist European allies. So this this

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<v Speaker 6>is gonna happen very fast. So I think the war

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<v Speaker 6>is gonna stop in a matter less than a month.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's put it this way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting, Thank you, Bo. Have you ever called before

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 6>I called probably two years ago, okay, and about about

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<v Speaker 6>immigrants coming here. I'm an immigrant here. I came in

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen ninety five, me and my family. I'm an American

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<v Speaker 6>citizen now nationalized for you. Yeah, two years ago I

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<v Speaker 6>called you. And again this is a thing which everybody

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<v Speaker 6>has to look at. The Romanian presidents which actually lost

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<v Speaker 6>Now they have to, you know, go back to the election.

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<v Speaker 6>It's gonna leave mayasandu Republic of Moldavia, which is another

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<v Speaker 6>left border in Ukraine. So he's gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you're agreeing with me that these sars are aligning.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about very quickly because you know this area

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<v Speaker 2>probably part of the world better than I do. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Foot will keep Crimea, no question about that.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, he's gonna keep Krima. That was the reason. That's

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<v Speaker 6>a big Russian population populations. Historically, we have to understand Ukraina.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a country which was kind of artificially. Uh. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know how to explain this because people probably the

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<v Speaker 6>gonna go crazy over this, but it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 6>it's an artificial country which has territory is taken from Romania,

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<v Speaker 6>from Republic of Moldavia, from Russia. So it's really a

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. And and so food will keep the area where

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<v Speaker 2>he initially invaded Dambas, which is.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm so sure that they're going to reach a

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<v Speaker 6>deal and this was all business. There weapons sold in

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<v Speaker 6>that area by I don't know who, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 6>say it, and it was all business, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, first of all, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>your call. Please call more often. You obviously have a perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>The capital is.

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<v Speaker 6>Not the war's accent. I hope people understood that.

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<v Speaker 2>You you you speak very You're English. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>any Romanian capital of Romanian buk arrested. I'm not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 6>You got it right. As usually people think it's good up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, No, no, no, I've been to boot I've been

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<v Speaker 2>And I learned when I was in Buddha Pese that

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<v Speaker 2>Buddha pest is really two cities, Buddha and Pesche on

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<v Speaker 2>each side of the Danielle. I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 6>You know more than a lot of people about that

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but fascinating. We did a tour there back it

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<v Speaker 2>was in two thy nineteen, in the fall of twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the Daniel River. Was a fascinating there you go,

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating tour and we did get we got to Slovakia

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<v Speaker 2>but never got never got to Romania. Both pleasure, pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>to take you so much. Hope we talk again soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks pleasure, Thank you so much. Thanks, good night. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will be joe Inne Waltham. Joeanne, you were

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<v Speaker 2>next on night side. Let's hear what you gotta say, Joeanne,

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<v Speaker 2>get you in before the news, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think that's fascinating what he was just saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was unaware of that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 7>be over soon now that we have a real president.

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<v Speaker 7>Can you does this man ever sleep? Amazing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 7>And I just have a little fun thing for you.

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<v Speaker 7>I was watching the documentary about Thomas Jefferson when he

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<v Speaker 7>got elected after John Adams. The first thing he did,

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<v Speaker 7>He stopped all immigration, he fired all unnecessary government workers,

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<v Speaker 7>and he bought the Louisiana purchase against Congress's wishes. What

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<v Speaker 7>does that sound like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it sounds like maybe history would like to repeat itself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that we're going to have the Greenland purchase,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure, but I will know. But we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to reclaim some significant interest in the Panama Canal. And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, that is in the national interest of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. Would it be nice to have Greenland

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<v Speaker 2>as a US protectorate, Yeah, sure, but it's not nearly

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<v Speaker 2>as important to our interests, our region, national interests.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, he's worried about China taking over Greenland. China is everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think China has a footprint in Greenland. China

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<v Speaker 2>Think that for China to have a footprint in Greenland,

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<v Speaker 2>they would have to traverse this country. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't see that that happened. But China does have it

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<v Speaker 2>does have a big interest in South America and in

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<v Speaker 2>the Panama Canal. Yeah, which is the problem.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, and they're overcharging us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the least of the problems. That's the least

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<v Speaker 2>of the problem. The problem is that if China controls

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<v Speaker 7>Now, we got a real problem, right right. What do

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<v Speaker 7>you think of the new press secretary Caroline? I think

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<v Speaker 7>she's got to be a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very young, she's done a very she's been done

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good job. She comes prepared, she does her homework.

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<v Speaker 2>She were in for Congress, you know, up in Newton,

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<v Speaker 2>she's in New Hampshire Native uh and she lost. She won,

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<v Speaker 2>she won the Republican nomination and she lost. A Congressman

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<v Speaker 2>Pampus was a Democrat up there. But she handles herself

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<v Speaker 2>very well, and she seems to be very fast and

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<v Speaker 7>And she tells it like it is. She doesn't hem

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<v Speaker 7>you know, she comes right out and tells them what

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<v Speaker 7>She much.

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<v Speaker 2>Much better than the early press secretaries of the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's first administration. And she also controls the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting was she controls the press room there. She

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<v Speaker 2>she calls on people. No one's jumping and screaming and yelling.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of that during the first year

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<v Speaker 2>of the first term of the Trump administration, which did

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<v Speaker 2>not work in the interest of Donald Trump. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it became almost like watching a WWE wrestling match, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what a press conference is supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Joey and I got you in before the break, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm up against it. Very good, Thanks so much for calling.

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<v Speaker 2>Call morelfing.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, thanks goodness, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here's the news. We're going to take a break

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the er. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>This is night Side. The only lines that are open.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to save you some problems. Dial six one

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<v Speaker 2>seven two five four ten thirty six one seven, two

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<v Speaker 2>five four ten thirty. Is peace about to break out

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<v Speaker 2>in the Ukraine? I think we're talking a time frame

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<v Speaker 2>here of a couple of months at the outside. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see it going any other way, but we will

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<v Speaker 2>see your point of view. Very welcome, joined the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, back to the call as we go. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me go to Jim in Kansas City. Jim U next one,

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<v Speaker 2>night Side. Welcome Dan.

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<v Speaker 8>I I got to take you off speakerphone, hold on sections.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, never keep us on speakerphone. Go ahead, Jim. If not,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna move. If you're not ready now.

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<v Speaker 8>It's usually a lot easier than that, but my phone

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<v Speaker 8>locked me out because Watkins was yelling too loud. Hey, look,

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<v Speaker 8>if Trump hasn't done it already, he's probably going to

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<v Speaker 8>tell Zelensky, Look, you've been playing with house money for

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<v Speaker 8>the last two years, and we're cutting you off. So

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<v Speaker 8>either you let me negotiate a reasonable deal for you,

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<v Speaker 8>or Russia is going to take your whole country away

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<v Speaker 8>from you in about six weeks. So make a decision

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<v Speaker 8>right now. That's well, he may it may be that blunt.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what he will say is that that we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to cut back or eliminate military aid. And

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<v Speaker 2>without the military aid from the US, I think at

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<v Speaker 2>that point Ukraine is defenseless. I mean, Ukraine could probably

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<v Speaker 2>a slow destruction, but without our military aid. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if we have the ability to either pull

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<v Speaker 2>back military aid that we have sent and given them

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<v Speaker 2>or to basically deactivate, say if we've provided them some planes,

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<v Speaker 2>can't fly. I have no idea what the capacity is,

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<v Speaker 8>Well, yeah, because I mean, here's you gotta hope that

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<v Speaker 8>Russia doesn't get the idea that we're going to pull

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<v Speaker 8>the rugoff from unders ALASKI because if Russia gets the

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<v Speaker 2>Well I know that, but I think at the end

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<v Speaker 2>to say to Zelenski and when people have to member

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<v Speaker 2>is the impeachment. One of the impeachments of Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>came out of a phone call that he had made

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<v Speaker 2>to then President Zelensky shortly after Zelinsky had been elected.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think there's much love lost between Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and UH and Voldemir Zelensky.

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<v Speaker 8>No, he's been saying all along, every time the guy

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<v Speaker 8>comes here, he leaves a sixty million dollars. So I

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<v Speaker 8>think he's gonna you know, I I think that they

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<v Speaker 8>gotta be careful that Russia doesn't. But I mean, Russia

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<v Speaker 8>is not stupid. They got to know that the United

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<v Speaker 8>States is getting sick of of of running, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>paying for that war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and I think I think again. Then it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear that the release of this hostage, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>it was not a quid pro quo, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of uh created or seated the atmosphere somewhat,

436
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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm trying to say. That it's helped the

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<v Speaker 2>relationship here between Putin and Trumps, simple as that, Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you much. All right, don't you soon? Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna keep roll here. I got Theodore in Baltimore. Theodore,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for calling in. You're next a night side.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm listening to the conversation, and I'm disgusted by the

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<v Speaker 5>whole thing. The reason I'm disgusted, first of all, in

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<v Speaker 5>part I listen to your callers. It's like they worship

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump number one numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's not true. That there are callers tonight, Rick

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<v Speaker 2>from Bill Ricker was very different. There are other other callers.

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<v Speaker 2>We yeah, and you're and you're you're not a Trump guy,

448
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<v Speaker 2>which is which I'm glad you're calling to h to

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<v Speaker 2>balance it off a little bit. But everyone has their

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<v Speaker 2>point of view. Theodore, you know that, come on, that's true.

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<v Speaker 5>But saying I'm not a Trump guy. It goes beyond that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh one, I'm trying to be kind, Theodore, Theodore, give

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<v Speaker 2>me a break, Give me a break. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be kind. I I could say, Look, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you detest Ronald I'm not trying Donald Trump here, I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to be nice to every caller. Give you

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<v Speaker 2>simply a chance to say what your point is. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want you to spend part of your time going

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<v Speaker 2>after my other calls.

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<v Speaker 5>Because the point of view, that's just a small outivation.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't detest I'm sure Trump is less than

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<v Speaker 5>fair in anything. To me, He's a liar, and yet

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<v Speaker 5>people choose to listen to him. And I detest. I

464
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<v Speaker 5>detest lies and untruth and that's his whole program. Now

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<v Speaker 5>he just turned his back on Zerenski. How are you

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<v Speaker 5>going to have a negotiation if there's three parties, If

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<v Speaker 5>two of the parties are one of the parties, is

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<v Speaker 5>not a negotiation. And Trump got his calling, got his

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<v Speaker 5>instructions from Putin the first time. Trump's not a really

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<v Speaker 5>smart guy. He has people work for him. Trump got

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<v Speaker 5>all his instructions from Putin. As I told you before,

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<v Speaker 5>when in twenty seventeen, he talked to Putin without an

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<v Speaker 5>American interpren speaks Russian, and it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 5>Domino's thing. Dan, put does not going to stop at Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 5>The Chinese are going to invade Taiwan. And on one basis,

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<v Speaker 5>with you, uh making a comment about the government, it's

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<v Speaker 5>a sad thing when people laugh at people getting the

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<v Speaker 5>jobs destroyed, losing their homes because of the mortgage. And

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not a profit.

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<v Speaker 2>We've gone from We've gone from your analysis internationally here,

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<v Speaker 2>which may or may not be right, by the way, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I remember when do you remember when President

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<v Speaker 2>Obama had a conversation, a private conversation with Medvedev when uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the mike mike was hot and President Obama said to Medvedev, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tell Putin, there's not much I can do

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<v Speaker 2>before the election here, but once the election is over,

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<v Speaker 2>everything will be okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember that, we remember that exactly. But I will say this.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say this. I will say this on two

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<v Speaker 5>points number one. And you might think it's hyperbole. The

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<v Speaker 5>United States as we know it, Dan is basically over

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<v Speaker 5>the United States. Is I know it as I know

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<v Speaker 5>what these are unqualified people.

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<v Speaker 2>He's look, let's have look. I don't know. Look, normally

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<v Speaker 2>we can have kind of a conversation here. The point

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to make is I think that when President

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<v Speaker 2>Obama was talking to Medvedev in that you know, low

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<v Speaker 2>voice and microphone picked it up. I don't think there

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<v Speaker 2>was anything evil afoot there. I think that President Obama

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<v Speaker 2>was basically expressing to Medvedev a reality that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's standing for re election. He wanted to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that that the reelection was was taken care of, that

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<v Speaker 2>he got re elected. So I didn't I didn't imply

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<v Speaker 2>to him, Oh he's in the bag for Putin's he's

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<v Speaker 2>whispering things here. Bottom line is this how long? How

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<v Speaker 2>long do you think that this slaughter between Russia and

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine can go on? It's easy for us because we're

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<v Speaker 2>not impacted by it directly.

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<v Speaker 5>I understand that it's a war.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a war that has been going on for three years,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a proxy war. Would you not agree with

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<v Speaker 2>me it's a proxy war?

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<v Speaker 5>That I understand that. But one of the signal things

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<v Speaker 5>I hear on radio stations across the country that they

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<v Speaker 5>never leave the armed forces. They never leave a man behind. Dan,

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<v Speaker 5>do you value value loyalty? Do you value loyalty?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course?

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<v Speaker 5>And well, if you value loyalty, if you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>stand with the man, if you're gonna stand with the man,

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<v Speaker 5>you stand with the man. You don't betray him. And

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<v Speaker 5>look at look at you're talking about international issues. Look

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<v Speaker 5>at Taiwan, and now he's about to disengage from Nay two.

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<v Speaker 5>Who was with us in every war that this country fought,

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<v Speaker 5>even when the turret did nine one one, they supported us,

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<v Speaker 5>they opened it on to us. But he's turning against

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<v Speaker 5>this guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We saved all of those NATO countries, you know as

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<v Speaker 2>well as I do theatre, because you're a good historian.

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<v Speaker 2>We saved all of those NATO countries would World War two,

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<v Speaker 2>all of those countries who rolled over and who were

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<v Speaker 2>rolled over by Hitler. Eventually, the only guy that stood

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<v Speaker 2>between Hitler and the world was Churchill. Churchill saved Western civilization.

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<v Speaker 5>You know that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally, with reluctance and isolationists, the United States

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<v Speaker 2>decided to get into the war and only won World

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<v Speaker 2>War Two. So you know, anyway, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want you to have a heart attack on my show.

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<v Speaker 2>I want. I love your passion, I really do. But hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let me ask you this. If let's assume I was

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<v Speaker 2>a professional boxer and you were my manager, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>and some night I'm in the ring with some guy

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<v Speaker 2>who is just nailing me. At some point, even though

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<v Speaker 2>you're my manager, you might throw the towel in. You're not.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not. You're basically saying, okay, no, Moss and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we've I think arguably, how long do we allow

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<v Speaker 2>Russia to pound Ukraine? I mean we may have reached

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<v Speaker 2>a point in time where it's time to to settle

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<v Speaker 2>that down. I mean, you can make that argument. You don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Joe Biden should have made that argument a year

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<v Speaker 2>ago and it would have been more palatable, palatable to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, well, I just that's a very good analogy. At

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<v Speaker 5>the same time, I say this, if you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>help someone, don't turn your back on them. Do your best.

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<v Speaker 5>Now they're throwing a towel. There's a good analogy. But

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<v Speaker 5>on an ending note of a dan without getting into religion,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to suggest, in reference to this, on the

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<v Speaker 5>long term rings, get Some Get a book by David Jerramah.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a pastor that you know, and maybe another source

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<v Speaker 5>about the end times because when I speak, when people

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<v Speaker 5>speak about the United States, they got Gog and Magog.

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<v Speaker 5>That's Russia and China. Other nations are listed in there.

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<v Speaker 5>People ask where does the United States? The United States

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<v Speaker 5>is not in that last end time? Profitsy in the

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<v Speaker 5>book of relations. Maybe I don't think there'll be nothing

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<v Speaker 5>because looking at how this situation is going, and you

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<v Speaker 5>can take this from their mouth, play no good non

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<v Speaker 5>working for former federal employees who's retired, as the Republicans

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<v Speaker 5>look at people like me, it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of people who are going to rule the day

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<v Speaker 5>that Donald Trump got elected and they're supporting him, and

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<v Speaker 5>so the other thing is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the other thing to Theodore and I got to

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<v Speaker 2>end the conversation as always, you've gone you very long

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<v Speaker 2>because you're a good caller. Basically, the Trump administration believes,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they're right or wrong, that we have too many

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<v Speaker 2>federal employees. That's their opinion, whether it's right or wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're giving people an option to resign. Okay, there

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<v Speaker 2>is that point in time in many people's careers, including yours.

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<v Speaker 2>In mind, where if an employer said to you, look,

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<v Speaker 2>things aren't working out. I'm going to keep you if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to stay, but I'll also be willing to

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<v Speaker 2>offer you a buyout. Companies do that all the time theater,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not unprecedented. And to the best of my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>of these so called seventy five thousand people who have

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<v Speaker 2>said they're willing to take the buyout, none of them

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<v Speaker 2>had a gun to their head. It's better to do

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<v Speaker 2>that than just lay people off of fire people.

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<v Speaker 5>Then you're always talking about retails or Richard, do some research.

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<v Speaker 5>You'll find that the buyout and the money he's promising them,

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<v Speaker 5>it's not settled. There's some congressional accent has to be done.

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<v Speaker 5>So I hope they do get their buyouts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Okay to Theodore, I hate to do this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm way past my break and I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>end up getting hired here.

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<v Speaker 5>First commercials, well, well, this is a point at which

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<v Speaker 5>I am breathing a little bit better, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 5>go to sleep about knowing that I upset you to

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<v Speaker 5>the point where you didn't really want to hear me.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you, you didn't upset me. You didn't upset me.

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<v Speaker 2>You gave me a good battle. That's all. Thanks Theodo

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<v Speaker 2>talking all right, good you too, good night. Well take

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<v Speaker 2>a break, coming right back on nights that I will

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<v Speaker 2>get Paul and Tom in. I guarantee it. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to call, I'll try to get you in

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>They we're gonna get both Tom and Paul in. Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>We start with you, Tom, go and Tom and Dorchester.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Jan, how are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 3>Free. In the eighteen forties eighteen Party two, Turkey was

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<v Speaker 3>a belligerent, so Russia went down and sank all their ships,

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<v Speaker 3>their warships. France and England joined with Turkey and they

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<v Speaker 3>fought on Crimea, called the Crimean War of the eighteenth Parties. Finally,

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<v Speaker 3>after three and a half years, France, England and Turkey

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<v Speaker 3>left because of the bloodshed. It was like a civil

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<v Speaker 3>war when you if you got wounded in the leg,

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<v Speaker 3>they cut your leg off. It was a bloodbath. So

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<v Speaker 3>the Russia had Crimea and Ukraine was part of Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of Russia. Now in the nineteen fifties. Nikita Khrushchev

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<v Speaker 3>made Ukraine an autonomous region, and that's what and they're

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna Russia is not going to give up by

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<v Speaker 3>Crimea because no, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree with you. I appreciate the history. I appreciate the history.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why kruse Chef would have given

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<v Speaker 2>that a. Krushchev was a dictator. What prompted Khrushchef to

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<v Speaker 2>give up Crimea because that was that was a way

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<v Speaker 2>in which Russia had access to a warm water port.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised Khruschef would have given that up voluntarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Nikita Khrushchev was born there. That's why he was born.

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<v Speaker 3>He is from the Ukraine area. He was born there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why he gave them autonomy. That was, yes, good place, right, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, obviously it's been from from the point of view

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<v Speaker 2>of Mother Russia or the point of view of the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union at the time that they they decided in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen they wanted it back, and they took it

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<v Speaker 2>back while President Obama was in office. Yeah, yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate the appreciate the history. Thanks Tom, great night, good night. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that was quick. Interesting. Let me go to Paul in Plymouth. Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>you may wrap the show for us tonight. I co right,

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<v Speaker 2>hit Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Dan, I'll tell you what I think the president is. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>he's trying to fulfill his foreign policy agenda of the

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<v Speaker 3>first administration where he said, wouldn't it be nice if Putin,

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<v Speaker 3>if we could be friends. So I think that's his

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<v Speaker 3>long term goal. I don't think he had a chance

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<v Speaker 3>to do that, you know, with COVID and them, Uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, kicking him around the whole time. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I think what he realizes that you don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>go back to someone like Brezhnev for you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>hardline communists that are in there. He could probably work

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<v Speaker 3>with Putin, And I don't think he's he's giving in

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<v Speaker 3>to him at all. I think, you know, Ben Putin

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<v Speaker 3>probably realizes Trumps back here, he's the big dog on

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<v Speaker 3>the block, and we're gonna have to work with this

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<v Speaker 3>guy and uh, come to an end of this war.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what well, you know, the thing that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>funny about this, Paul, historically is that historically it was

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<v Speaker 2>always the Republicans who really were suspicious of the Russians

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<v Speaker 2>and the Soviets. So whether it was Richard Nixon who

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<v Speaker 2>had made you know, his bones as an anti communist,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan who was tried and true anti communist, George

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<v Speaker 2>Bush form ahead of the CIA. Now Trump comes along,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump's a Republican, not always was a Republican, once

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<v Speaker 2>was a Democrat many and it's been an independent. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's basically looking forward to, as you say, have better

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<v Speaker 2>relations with Putin. And Biden was the guy the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, you know, Ted Kennedy and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the Democrats, they were willing to reach out

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<v Speaker 2>to Russian to Soviet dictators. Like the world has switched.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, right, Well, I'll tell you what I think. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>as far as as far as Trump goes, he's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he comes from a different, different line I suppose of

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<v Speaker 3>a republic.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a different breed. He's a different breed of cat.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a businessman. Let's make a deal. If I can

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<v Speaker 2>build a building and you know I can make money

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<v Speaker 2>on it, he's yeah, he's, he's he's he's a businessman.

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<v Speaker 2>For better or worse. He's Joe Biden never had a

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<v Speaker 2>job in private sector. You know, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>other presidents have have been people who were just politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>These the he's the and uh anti politician, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>would be the way to describe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no problem.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes and talks to the head man.

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<v Speaker 2>Which yeah, there's no doubt about Hey. Thanks, thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>the final call, Paul. You played us out. Thanks man,

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you soon. Good night. Back to our night.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Misselbeck will join us as CPA answering all your

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<v Speaker 2>tax questions beginning at nine oh five, Rob Brooks, great

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<v Speaker 2>job tonight, Marita, Thank you very much. Back tomorrow night

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<v Speaker 2>at eight oh five. I'll land as always, all dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>all cats, pets go to heaven. That's what my pale

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago this very month.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where all your pets are who had passed. They

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<v Speaker 2>loved you and you love them. I do believe you'll

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<v Speaker 2>see them again, hope see again tomorrow night or nights.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be on Facebook nice side with Dan Ray

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of minutes. I'll see you there. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>very much. I have a great Thursday everyone,