Speaker 1: It's nice size. Dan Ray und Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, my theory tonight, which I'd like to hear your
Speaker 2: reaction to, is that today there was a sea change
Speaker 2: in American foreign policy and that the sea change that
Speaker 2: we have felt today is that basically between the Defense
Speaker 2: Secretary Pete heg Seth speaking to NATO allies in Europe
Speaker 2: and President Trump's comments during a couple of events in
Speaker 2: the last day at the White House has made it
Speaker 2: pretty clear that he wants to end the hostilities in
Speaker 2: Ukraine and end them pretty quickly. He made it point.
Speaker 2: He made the point today that Vladimir Putin has been
Speaker 2: very cooperative in the release of Mark Fogel, the teacher
Speaker 2: who was received. I think it's been in prison there
Speaker 2: seven years long time for nothing. He was caught with
Speaker 2: medical marijuana for his own use. Not he wasn't. He was,
Speaker 2: I guess, accused and convicted in a Russian kangaroo court
Speaker 2: of trafficking and was sentenced at believed to fourteen years.
Speaker 2: So comments that the President today made about Vladimir Putin
Speaker 2: that they're going to meet. He intends to go to
Speaker 2: Moscow Putin unspecified dates. They'll meet at a conference in
Speaker 2: the Middle East first sort of neutral territory, and then
Speaker 2: Putin will come to Washington. It's going to be quite
Speaker 2: a spectacle, that is for sure. But at this point
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has stepped both feet onto the international stage,
Speaker 2: not only talking about ending the war at least the
Speaker 2: hostilities some sort of a ceasefire initially in Ukraine and
Speaker 2: in short order, but he also has the threat out
Speaker 2: towards Amas that if they don't release all the Israeli hostages,
Speaker 2: all hell is going to break loose. Now, you can't
Speaker 2: make threats like that without following through on those threats.
Speaker 2: So my argument is that Donald Trump today, after having
Speaker 2: spent the first three weeks of his second term focusing
Speaker 2: on domestic issues, is now out on the international stage,
Speaker 2: is back on the international stage. That's my theory. I'd
Speaker 2: like to have you joined the conversation. I have a
Speaker 2: couple of open lines, one at six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty and one at six one, seven, nine, three,
Speaker 2: one ten thirty. Let me go to Tim and Wilber
Speaker 2: and Tim. Hey, welcome back, Tim. How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good, Dan, how are you doing great?
Speaker 2: I think this is a pretty significant day, at least
Speaker 2: that's my sense. I wonder if you feel the same way.
Speaker 3: Well, I think, right, the whole thing's a big mess.
Speaker 3: It's a mess. You're talking about what Japan will do,
Speaker 3: what China will do, Korea. There's so much going on.
Speaker 3: I'd love to see peace writer than do something, But
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's been so much bloodshed and more
Speaker 3: people are up to more things. Anyhow, I'm very pessimistic
Speaker 3: about the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's funny if you're looking for the end
Speaker 2: of hostilities in Ukraine. I think that Donald Trump, who
Speaker 2: does not have the same relationship with Zelinsky that I
Speaker 2: think Joe Biden had. Joe Biden pretty much gave Zelinsky
Speaker 2: everything he asked for, not necessarily when he asked for it,
Speaker 2: but he gave Zolensky enough to keep Ukraine alive. Many
Speaker 2: people felt that that whole invasion by Russia back in
Speaker 2: February of twenty twenty two was going to maybe take
Speaker 2: three or four days. Well it's now I'm about to
Speaker 2: enter the fourth year. But I don't think it's going
Speaker 2: to be much of a fourth year. I think that
Speaker 2: President Trump has decided that the piece that this war
Speaker 2: has to end uh and it's probably going to end
Speaker 2: on terms that are more satisfactory to Putin than they
Speaker 2: are to Zolensky. Matter of fact, today Trump made the
Speaker 2: comment that Zelensky's poll numbers weren't very good. And I
Speaker 2: have seen that poll as well that the public in
Speaker 2: Ukraine was growing weary of the war.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, people, it's people are funny the whole
Speaker 3: thing right to me, Right, I'm very pessimistic about the
Speaker 3: whole thing. I hope, right, and I pray that they
Speaker 3: can do something to straighten this thing out. This isn't
Speaker 3: going on for so long. The bloodshed has been horrendous,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Tim, I appreciate it. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people see it the way you see it. I really do,
Speaker 2: particularly people here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tomorrow will be careful to our and it's going
Speaker 3: to be bad.
Speaker 2: I won't be driving. I'm sleeping in in the morning
Speaker 2: next him. Good talking you soon, all right, Great talking
Speaker 2: to you as well. Sixty eight nine nine ten thirty.
Speaker 2: If you're a Trump fan, the last few weeks, the
Speaker 2: first three weeks of his administration have been very good,
Speaker 2: I think for him. Despite the number of judges that
Speaker 2: have have acceded to the request for temporary injunctions. Apparently
Speaker 2: the judge in Boston today now is allowing this resignation,
Speaker 2: this solicitation for REGI resignations to go forward. And I
Speaker 2: think I read somewhere that there's about seventy five thousand
Speaker 2: federal employees who have who are willing to submit their resignations.
Speaker 2: And again that's uh that was held up for a while,
Speaker 2: but apparently late today the judges has looked at it
Speaker 2: more closely. And the judge is a good judge, by
Speaker 2: the way, his name is George O'Toole, a very thoughtful judge.
Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling. Here're going to go next to Rick
Speaker 2: and Bill. Rick, Rick, how are you tonight? Welcome?
Speaker 4: Good, how are you doing. I appreciate what Tim just
Speaker 4: said a moment ago in Wuburn. You know, it has
Speaker 4: to end, and it shouldn't end. But I think it's
Speaker 4: a little unfear that's it seems to be very very
Speaker 4: much on the side of Putin getting everything he wants.
Speaker 4: You know. It seems to me that it would only
Speaker 4: be fair if anything taken from Ukraine is given back
Speaker 4: to Russia and vice versa, except for Crimeia. For Crimea,
Speaker 4: because I was onto Obama and Crimea was taken what
Speaker 4: ten years ago or something like that or.
Speaker 2: More twenty fourteen, eleven years ago.
Speaker 4: Fourteen, okay, eleven years ago. Sorry, that was taken, but
Speaker 4: everything else should be given back. Putin's a bully, but
Speaker 4: I will agree that it should be that they can't
Speaker 4: join NATO because, let's face it, they're at the they're
Speaker 4: at the tail end or the front, or however you
Speaker 4: want to put it, of a massive piece of land
Speaker 4: called Russia. They're not separated. They're together. And so you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's like it's like conjoined twins. One of
Speaker 4: them is trying to get straying or the other.
Speaker 2: You know, let's let's use a different word. That they're
Speaker 2: not together. They're contiguous. And uh, it's it's like the different.
Speaker 4: Countries, but they're they're together on the same piece of land.
Speaker 4: It's not like, you know, some of the other Ukraine
Speaker 4: NATO nations are far away from Russia and separated by that.
Speaker 2: And and and the point you're making is a good one.
Speaker 2: But Putin is afraid. Uh you know, it's it's he
Speaker 2: wants a buffer around Russia. Uh. He looks at mother
Speaker 2: Russia and I mentioned last hour. Then he sees the
Speaker 2: collapse of the Soviet Union as the worst disaster of
Speaker 2: the twentieth century. Now that's his I think he's dead wrong,
Speaker 2: but that's his perspective. And you got to understand when
Speaker 2: you're negotiating with someone where they're coming from. And I
Speaker 2: think President Trump does understand that.
Speaker 4: Sure, but it's still it's still a little unfair. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's the whole NATO thing. Is okay, if they don't
Speaker 4: join NATO, at least give them their land back and
Speaker 4: work with them and stop taking them over.
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, but but how Okay, Look,
Speaker 2: so what you're saying is okay, because I think what
Speaker 2: you're saying is because Russia the next crimea right after
Speaker 2: the Socio Olympics during President Obama's administration. Uh, that land
Speaker 2: is now Russia, is what I heard you say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I did. I did. Okay, they take that.
Speaker 4: But anything that happened from day one February or early
Speaker 4: March three years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what about if you're okay, I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: you in the spot. Now you're negotiating right with Putin,
Speaker 2: and Putin says, no, we took the Dombas region, which
Speaker 2: is part of eastern Ukraine, and it is a Russian
Speaker 2: popular it's a it's an overwhelming, you know, Russian ethnic
Speaker 2: population that is part of Russia, historically part of Russia,
Speaker 2: and we want it. And if we don't get it,
Speaker 2: the war continues. What are you gonna say to him?
Speaker 5: I just.
Speaker 4: All right, let the work. And I don't know how
Speaker 4: big is how big is Tombas, It's.
Speaker 2: It's it's a pretty it's probably ten percent of Ukraine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just think Ukraine should get everything. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I got here.
Speaker 2: You know, if if if Putin said, okay, we'll get
Speaker 2: out of Dombas and and we've lost a million soldiers
Speaker 2: and it was all for not I don't think he's
Speaker 2: gonna say that.
Speaker 4: I really don't know he's not gonna but I'd say
Speaker 4: the war goes on if we don't get all our
Speaker 4: territory back except Crimea, and we'll give you.
Speaker 2: When you say, if we don't get.
Speaker 4: All terry now you know from I'm from the standpoint
Speaker 4: of Ukraine from so now, what.
Speaker 2: About okay, President Zelinsky? What about if President Trump calls
Speaker 2: you up, President Zelinsky and says you better give back
Speaker 2: the Donbass region back. If you don't, the war's going
Speaker 2: to continue, and we are pulling out our support. We're
Speaker 2: pulling the rug out from underneath your President Zelensky.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's just what we're doing. Is we're sort of
Speaker 2: doing a war game here. That's all you and me, okay.
Speaker 4: I mean, because it's a good war game. Because I
Speaker 4: can't I have to factor in President Trump and what
Speaker 4: what the United States is willing to give in terms
Speaker 4: of supporting the war. It's just an unfortunate thing. It's like,
Speaker 4: I understand NATO, but just give the land back and
Speaker 4: stop bullying, and and don't go to NA, don't try
Speaker 4: to join NATO. Make that off the table.
Speaker 5: That's what I said.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well that's gonna be a tough one for
Speaker 2: Zelensky to swallow either, because Lensky always thought that we
Speaker 2: you know, do you remember when, uh, when when Joe
Speaker 2: Biden went over there and and got on the train
Speaker 2: and and and and brought rode into Kiev under the
Speaker 2: cover of darkness. I mean, that was that had to
Speaker 2: pump up Zelinsky at that point. I mean literally, President
Speaker 2: Biden takes his I mean at that point, that train
Speaker 2: could have been hit by a missile in a New
Speaker 2: York second, so.
Speaker 4: Of course, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a change of administrations, and it's a
Speaker 2: change of foreign policy, simple as that.
Speaker 4: That is, that is true, and I I appreciate how
Speaker 4: you put it. You're true. That's that's your lawyer and
Speaker 4: you you have you have, you have a nice understanding
Speaker 4: of the greater picture. And I'm just focusing on one side.
Speaker 2: You did a great job, you kidd me. You you're
Speaker 2: you're negotiating in a difficultst of circumstances. That's where Zolenski
Speaker 2: finds himself right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, enjoyed.
Speaker 3: The call is always rich to me.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you keep calling this program. I
Speaker 2: enjoy our conversations.
Speaker 4: Thank you much, thank you, bye bye, a great night.
Speaker 2: But take a quick break coming back on nights side.
Speaker 2: The only line six one seven, two five four ten thirty.
Speaker 2: The others are full six one seven up, six one
Speaker 2: seven two thirty, just filled up. My audience is getting
Speaker 2: into the topic. I love it. That's what this is
Speaker 2: all about. We just we try to stay ahead of
Speaker 2: the curve here on Nightside. Okay, and I think we're
Speaker 2: gonna what we're talking about tonight is what's likely going
Speaker 2: to happen in the next few weeks. This is not
Speaker 2: something that's that that's happening two years from now. It's
Speaker 2: more likely that this whole situation either is going to
Speaker 2: wrap up in two months or it's going to get
Speaker 2: out of control. And my betting is it's going to
Speaker 2: wrap up. We'll be back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to dan Way Window World.
Speaker 5: Nightside Studios on w BZ Blues Radio's good role.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to bo in holding Bo Welcome you
Speaker 2: in Extra Nightside.
Speaker 6: Hello then, and thank you for letting me speak. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna keep it very simple because I heard all the
Speaker 6: other listeners and again I'm listening to your program. I
Speaker 6: love it. There is a thing which nobody is talking about.
Speaker 6: So two days ago, if not yesterday, the president of Romania,
Speaker 6: Klaus Johanni, is resigned. Now this this tells me, and
Speaker 6: I'm pretty familiar with what's happening in there. I just
Speaker 6: came back from Romania in October. I was like four
Speaker 6: and a half months. I'm not gonna say what why,
Speaker 6: So what's happening? This was the last Easter Ropeia leader
Speaker 6: which was backing up the Leasky unconditioned. So Clausiohanni is
Speaker 6: the president of Romania was the last I mean Victor Urban.
Speaker 6: We all know the Hungarian guys hand in hand with
Speaker 6: put In the Polish guys like you know, these are
Speaker 6: countries which are bordering Ukraine. Romania is bordered in Ukraine,
Speaker 6: and Romania has an anti missile shield. And American Romanyia
Speaker 6: is the biggest or the second Eastern European allied of
Speaker 6: the United States in Eastern Europe. And now the president resigned,
Speaker 6: so the last Lensky hist European allies. So this this
Speaker 6: is gonna happen very fast. So I think the war
Speaker 6: is gonna stop in a matter less than a month.
Speaker 6: Let's put it this way.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Thank you, Bo. Have you ever called before
Speaker 2: this your first time?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: I called probably two years ago, okay, and about about
Speaker 6: immigrants coming here. I'm an immigrant here. I came in
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety five, me and my family. I'm an American
Speaker 6: citizen now nationalized for you. Yeah, two years ago I
Speaker 6: called you. And again this is a thing which everybody
Speaker 6: has to look at. The Romanian presidents which actually lost
Speaker 6: the elections in favor of a pro American guy.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: Now they have to, you know, go back to the election.
Speaker 6: It's gonna leave mayasandu Republic of Moldavia, which is another
Speaker 6: country border in Ukraine. That's the only pro Zelinski country
Speaker 6: left border in Ukraine. So he's gonna.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're agreeing with me that these sars are aligning.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about very quickly because you know this area
Speaker 2: probably part of the world better than I do. Yes,
Speaker 2: Foot will keep Crimea, no question about that.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, he's gonna keep Krima. That was the reason. That's
Speaker 6: a big Russian population populations. Historically, we have to understand Ukraina.
Speaker 6: It's a country which was kind of artificially. Uh. I
Speaker 6: don't know how to explain this because people probably the
Speaker 6: gonna go crazy over this, but it's a it's a
Speaker 6: it's an artificial country which has territory is taken from Romania,
Speaker 6: from Republic of Moldavia, from Russia. So it's really a
Speaker 6: Soviet invention that ukrain gotcha.
Speaker 2: Okay. And and so food will keep the area where
Speaker 2: he initially invaded Dambas, which is.
Speaker 6: And I'm so sure that they're going to reach a
Speaker 6: deal and this was all business. There weapons sold in
Speaker 6: that area by I don't know who, I'm not gonna
Speaker 6: say it, and it was all business, you know, and
Speaker 6: bad business for United States in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Well, well, first of all, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: your call. Please call more often. You obviously have a perspective.
Speaker 2: The capital is.
Speaker 6: Not the war's accent. I hope people understood that.
Speaker 2: You you you speak very You're English. I don't know
Speaker 2: any Romanian capital of Romanian buk arrested. I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 6: You got it right. As usually people think it's good up.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, no, no, I've been to boot I've been
Speaker 2: to Buddha Pesche.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I learned when I was in Buddha Pese that
Speaker 2: Buddha pest is really two cities, Buddha and Pesche on
Speaker 2: each side of the Danielle. I did not know that.
Speaker 6: You know more than a lot of people about that
Speaker 6: part of Europe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but fascinating. We did a tour there back it
Speaker 2: was in two thy nineteen, in the fall of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: It was the Daniel River. Was a fascinating there you go,
Speaker 2: fascinating tour and we did get we got to Slovakia
Speaker 2: but never got never got to Romania. Both pleasure, pleasure
Speaker 2: to take you so much. Hope we talk again soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks pleasure, Thank you so much. Thanks, good night. All right,
Speaker 2: let me get one more in here before the break
Speaker 2: and it will be joe Inne Waltham. Joeanne, you were
Speaker 2: next on night side. Let's hear what you gotta say, Joeanne,
Speaker 2: get you in before the news, go right ahead.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's fascinating what he was just saying.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was unaware of that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's going to
Speaker 7: be over soon now that we have a real president.
Speaker 7: Can you does this man ever sleep? Amazing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 7: And I just have a little fun thing for you.
Speaker 7: I was watching the documentary about Thomas Jefferson when he
Speaker 7: got elected after John Adams. The first thing he did,
Speaker 7: John Adams had put people in jail for disputing what
Speaker 7: he was doing. He had them put in jail. As
Speaker 7: soon as Jefferson got in, he pardoned all of them.
Speaker 7: He stopped all immigration, he fired all unnecessary government workers,
Speaker 7: and he bought the Louisiana purchase against Congress's wishes. What
Speaker 7: does that sound like.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like maybe history would like to repeat itself.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we're going to have the Greenland purchase,
Speaker 2: that's for sure, but I will know. But we're going
Speaker 2: to reclaim some significant interest in the Panama Canal. And
Speaker 2: by the way, that is in the national interest of
Speaker 2: the United States. Would it be nice to have Greenland
Speaker 2: as a US protectorate, Yeah, sure, but it's not nearly
Speaker 2: as important to our interests, our region, national interests.
Speaker 7: Well, he's worried about China taking over Greenland. China is everywhere.
Speaker 2: I don't think China has a footprint in Greenland. China
Speaker 2: has a big footprint all over South America.
Speaker 7: That is oh yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Think that for China to have a footprint in Greenland,
Speaker 2: they would have to traverse this country. And I just
Speaker 2: don't see that that happened. But China does have it
Speaker 2: does have a big interest in South America and in
Speaker 2: the Panama Canal. Yeah, which is the problem.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and they're overcharging us.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the least of the problems. That's the least
Speaker 2: of the problem. The problem is that if China controls
Speaker 2: the Panama Canal and they say to our ships, you're
Speaker 2: not welcome we don't want your money.
Speaker 7: Now, we got a real problem, right right. What do
Speaker 7: you think of the new press secretary Caroline? I think
Speaker 7: she's got to be a good job.
Speaker 2: She's very young, she's done a very she's been done
Speaker 2: a pretty good job. She comes prepared, she does her homework.
Speaker 2: She were in for Congress, you know, up in Newton,
Speaker 2: she's in New Hampshire Native uh and she lost. She won,
Speaker 2: she won the Republican nomination and she lost. A Congressman
Speaker 2: Pampus was a Democrat up there. But she handles herself
Speaker 2: very well, and she seems to be very fast and
Speaker 2: very quick on her feet.
Speaker 7: And she tells it like it is. She doesn't hem
Speaker 7: and haw and you know, well, you know, we're not sure,
Speaker 7: you know, she comes right out and tells them what
Speaker 7: She much.
Speaker 2: Much better than the early press secretaries of the Trump
Speaker 2: Trump's first administration. And she also controls the one thing
Speaker 2: that's interesting was she controls the press room there. She
Speaker 2: she calls on people. No one's jumping and screaming and yelling.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of that during the first year
Speaker 2: of the first term of the Trump administration, which did
Speaker 2: not work in the interest of Donald Trump. I mean,
Speaker 2: it became almost like watching a WWE wrestling match, and
Speaker 2: that's not what a press conference is supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Joey and I got you in before the break, but
Speaker 2: I'm up against it. Very good, Thanks so much for calling.
Speaker 2: Call morelfing.
Speaker 7: Okay, thanks goodness, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the news. We're going to take a break
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the er. My name is Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: This is night Side. The only lines that are open.
Speaker 2: I'm going to save you some problems. Dial six one
Speaker 2: seven two five four ten thirty six one seven, two
Speaker 2: five four ten thirty. Is peace about to break out
Speaker 2: in the Ukraine? I think we're talking a time frame
Speaker 2: here of a couple of months at the outside. I
Speaker 2: don't see it going any other way, but we will
Speaker 2: see your point of view. Very welcome, joined the conversation.
Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, back to the call as we go. Let
Speaker 2: me go to Jim in Kansas City. Jim U next one,
Speaker 2: night Side. Welcome Dan.
Speaker 8: I I got to take you off speakerphone, hold on sections.
Speaker 2: Yeah, never keep us on speakerphone. Go ahead, Jim. If not,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna move. If you're not ready now.
Speaker 8: It's usually a lot easier than that, but my phone
Speaker 8: locked me out because Watkins was yelling too loud. Hey, look,
Speaker 8: if Trump hasn't done it already, he's probably going to
Speaker 8: tell Zelensky, Look, you've been playing with house money for
Speaker 8: the last two years, and we're cutting you off. So
Speaker 8: either you let me negotiate a reasonable deal for you,
Speaker 8: or Russia is going to take your whole country away
Speaker 8: from you in about six weeks. So make a decision
Speaker 8: right now. That's well, he may it may be that blunt.
Speaker 2: I think what he will say is that that we
Speaker 2: are going to cut back or eliminate military aid. And
Speaker 2: without the military aid from the US, I think at
Speaker 2: that point Ukraine is defenseless. I mean, Ukraine could probably
Speaker 2: hold on if they wanted to, you know dye, you know,
Speaker 2: a slow destruction, but without our military aid. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if we have the ability to either pull
Speaker 2: back military aid that we have sent and given them
Speaker 2: or to basically deactivate, say if we've provided them some planes,
Speaker 2: if we're able to basically make those planes so they
Speaker 2: can't fly. I have no idea what the capacity is,
Speaker 2: but I think he will use whatever Tulle has in
Speaker 2: the toolbox to get this thing over with.
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, because I mean, here's you gotta hope that
Speaker 8: Russia doesn't get the idea that we're going to pull
Speaker 8: the rugoff from unders ALASKI because if Russia gets the
Speaker 8: feeling that we're going to pull the rugoff from unders
Speaker 8: Alaska unconditionally, then Russia won't give a reasonable deal.
Speaker 2: Well I know that, but I think at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's going to be up to us
Speaker 2: to say to Zelenski and when people have to member
Speaker 2: is the impeachment. One of the impeachments of Donald Trump
Speaker 2: came out of a phone call that he had made
Speaker 2: to then President Zelensky shortly after Zelinsky had been elected.
Speaker 2: So I don't think there's much love lost between Donald
Speaker 2: Trump and UH and Voldemir Zelensky.
Speaker 8: No, he's been saying all along, every time the guy
Speaker 8: comes here, he leaves a sixty million dollars. So I
Speaker 8: think he's gonna you know, I I think that they
Speaker 8: gotta be careful that Russia doesn't. But I mean, Russia
Speaker 8: is not stupid. They got to know that the United
Speaker 8: States is getting sick of of of running, you know,
Speaker 8: paying for that war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think I think again. Then it's
Speaker 2: pretty clear that the release of this hostage, I'm sure
Speaker 2: it was not a quid pro quo, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's sort of uh created or seated the atmosphere somewhat,
Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to say. That it's helped the
Speaker 2: relationship here between Putin and Trumps, simple as that, Jim,
Speaker 2: thank you much. All right, don't you soon? Okay, I
Speaker 2: just gonna keep roll here. I got Theodore in Baltimore. Theodore,
Speaker 2: thanks for calling in. You're next a night side.
Speaker 5: I'm listening to the conversation, and I'm disgusted by the
Speaker 5: whole thing. The reason I'm disgusted, first of all, in
Speaker 5: part I listen to your callers. It's like they worship
Speaker 5: Donald Trump number one numbers.
Speaker 2: Well, that's not true. That there are callers tonight, Rick
Speaker 2: from Bill Ricker was very different. There are other other callers.
Speaker 2: We yeah, and you're and you're you're not a Trump guy,
Speaker 2: which is which I'm glad you're calling to h to
Speaker 2: balance it off a little bit. But everyone has their
Speaker 2: point of view. Theodore, you know that, come on, that's true.
Speaker 5: But saying I'm not a Trump guy. It goes beyond that.
Speaker 2: Uh one, I'm trying to be kind, Theodore, Theodore, give
Speaker 2: me a break, Give me a break. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be kind. I I could say, Look, I know that
Speaker 2: you detest Ronald I'm not trying Donald Trump here, I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be nice to every caller. Give you
Speaker 2: simply a chance to say what your point is. I
Speaker 2: don't want you to spend part of your time going
Speaker 2: after my other calls.
Speaker 5: Because the point of view, that's just a small outivation.
Speaker 5: But I don't detest I'm sure Trump is less than
Speaker 5: fair in anything. To me, He's a liar, and yet
Speaker 5: people choose to listen to him. And I detest. I
Speaker 5: detest lies and untruth and that's his whole program. Now
Speaker 5: he just turned his back on Zerenski. How are you
Speaker 5: going to have a negotiation if there's three parties, If
Speaker 5: two of the parties are one of the parties, is
Speaker 5: not a negotiation. And Trump got his calling, got his
Speaker 5: instructions from Putin the first time. Trump's not a really
Speaker 5: smart guy. He has people work for him. Trump got
Speaker 5: all his instructions from Putin. As I told you before,
Speaker 5: when in twenty seventeen, he talked to Putin without an
Speaker 5: American interpren speaks Russian, and it's going to be a
Speaker 5: Domino's thing. Dan, put does not going to stop at Ukraine.
Speaker 5: The Chinese are going to invade Taiwan. And on one basis,
Speaker 5: with you, uh making a comment about the government, it's
Speaker 5: a sad thing when people laugh at people getting the
Speaker 5: jobs destroyed, losing their homes because of the mortgage. And
Speaker 5: I'm not a profit.
Speaker 2: We've gone from We've gone from your analysis internationally here,
Speaker 2: which may or may not be right, by the way, Okay,
Speaker 2: I mean I remember when do you remember when President
Speaker 2: Obama had a conversation, a private conversation with Medvedev when uh,
Speaker 2: the mike mike was hot and President Obama said to Medvedev, look,
Speaker 2: you know, tell Putin, there's not much I can do
Speaker 2: before the election here, but once the election is over,
Speaker 2: everything will be okay.
Speaker 5: Remember that, we remember that exactly. But I will say this.
Speaker 5: I will say this. I will say this on two
Speaker 5: points number one. And you might think it's hyperbole. The
Speaker 5: United States as we know it, Dan is basically over
Speaker 5: the United States. Is I know it as I know
Speaker 5: what these are unqualified people.
Speaker 2: He's look, let's have look. I don't know. Look, normally
Speaker 2: we can have kind of a conversation here. The point
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make is I think that when President
Speaker 2: Obama was talking to Medvedev in that you know, low
Speaker 2: voice and microphone picked it up. I don't think there
Speaker 2: was anything evil afoot there. I think that President Obama
Speaker 2: was basically expressing to Medvedev a reality that you know,
Speaker 2: he's standing for re election. He wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: that that the reelection was was taken care of, that
Speaker 2: he got re elected. So I didn't I didn't imply
Speaker 2: to him, Oh he's in the bag for Putin's he's
Speaker 2: whispering things here. Bottom line is this how long? How
Speaker 2: long do you think that this slaughter between Russia and
Speaker 2: Ukraine can go on? It's easy for us because we're
Speaker 2: not impacted by it directly.
Speaker 5: I understand that it's a war.
Speaker 2: It's a war that has been going on for three years,
Speaker 2: and it's a proxy war. Would you not agree with
Speaker 2: me it's a proxy war?
Speaker 5: That I understand that. But one of the signal things
Speaker 5: I hear on radio stations across the country that they
Speaker 5: never leave the armed forces. They never leave a man behind. Dan,
Speaker 5: do you value value loyalty? Do you value loyalty?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 5: And well, if you value loyalty, if you're going to
Speaker 5: stand with the man, if you're gonna stand with the man,
Speaker 5: you stand with the man. You don't betray him. And
Speaker 5: look at look at you're talking about international issues. Look
Speaker 5: at Taiwan, and now he's about to disengage from Nay two.
Speaker 5: Who was with us in every war that this country fought,
Speaker 5: even when the turret did nine one one, they supported us,
Speaker 5: they opened it on to us. But he's turning against
Speaker 5: this guys.
Speaker 2: We saved all of those NATO countries, you know as
Speaker 2: well as I do theatre, because you're a good historian.
Speaker 2: We saved all of those NATO countries would World War two,
Speaker 2: all of those countries who rolled over and who were
Speaker 2: rolled over by Hitler. Eventually, the only guy that stood
Speaker 2: between Hitler and the world was Churchill. Churchill saved Western civilization.
Speaker 5: You know that.
Speaker 2: And then finally, with reluctance and isolationists, the United States
Speaker 2: decided to get into the war and only won World
Speaker 2: War Two. So you know, anyway, you know what, I
Speaker 2: don't want you to have a heart attack on my show.
Speaker 2: I want. I love your passion, I really do. But hey,
Speaker 2: let me ask you this. If let's assume I was
Speaker 2: a professional boxer and you were my manager, all right,
Speaker 2: and some night I'm in the ring with some guy
Speaker 2: who is just nailing me. At some point, even though
Speaker 2: you're my manager, you might throw the towel in. You're not.
Speaker 2: You're not. You're basically saying, okay, no, Moss and I
Speaker 2: think we've I think arguably, how long do we allow
Speaker 2: Russia to pound Ukraine? I mean we may have reached
Speaker 2: a point in time where it's time to to settle
Speaker 2: that down. I mean, you can make that argument. You don't.
Speaker 2: Maybe Joe Biden should have made that argument a year
Speaker 2: ago and it would have been more palatable, palatable to you.
Speaker 5: Well, well, I just that's a very good analogy. At
Speaker 5: the same time, I say this, if you're going to
Speaker 5: help someone, don't turn your back on them. Do your best.
Speaker 5: Now they're throwing a towel. There's a good analogy. But
Speaker 5: on an ending note of a dan without getting into religion,
Speaker 5: I want to suggest, in reference to this, on the
Speaker 5: long term rings, get Some Get a book by David Jerramah.
Speaker 5: He's a pastor that you know, and maybe another source
Speaker 5: about the end times because when I speak, when people
Speaker 5: speak about the United States, they got Gog and Magog.
Speaker 5: That's Russia and China. Other nations are listed in there.
Speaker 5: People ask where does the United States? The United States
Speaker 5: is not in that last end time? Profitsy in the
Speaker 5: book of relations. Maybe I don't think there'll be nothing
Speaker 5: because looking at how this situation is going, and you
Speaker 5: can take this from their mouth, play no good non
Speaker 5: working for former federal employees who's retired, as the Republicans
Speaker 5: look at people like me, it's going to be a
Speaker 5: lot of people who are going to rule the day
Speaker 5: that Donald Trump got elected and they're supporting him, and
Speaker 5: so the other thing is.
Speaker 2: It's the other thing to Theodore and I got to
Speaker 2: end the conversation as always, you've gone you very long
Speaker 2: because you're a good caller. Basically, the Trump administration believes,
Speaker 2: whether they're right or wrong, that we have too many
Speaker 2: federal employees. That's their opinion, whether it's right or wrong,
Speaker 2: and they're giving people an option to resign. Okay, there
Speaker 2: is that point in time in many people's careers, including yours.
Speaker 2: In mind, where if an employer said to you, look,
Speaker 2: things aren't working out. I'm going to keep you if
Speaker 2: you want to stay, but I'll also be willing to
Speaker 2: offer you a buyout. Companies do that all the time theater,
Speaker 2: so it's not unprecedented. And to the best of my knowledge,
Speaker 2: of these so called seventy five thousand people who have
Speaker 2: said they're willing to take the buyout, none of them
Speaker 2: had a gun to their head. It's better to do
Speaker 2: that than just lay people off of fire people.
Speaker 5: Then you're always talking about retails or Richard, do some research.
Speaker 5: You'll find that the buyout and the money he's promising them,
Speaker 5: it's not settled. There's some congressional accent has to be done.
Speaker 5: So I hope they do get their buyouts.
Speaker 2: Yep. Okay to Theodore, I hate to do this year.
Speaker 2: I'm way past my break and I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: end up getting hired here.
Speaker 5: First commercials, well, well, this is a point at which
Speaker 5: I am breathing a little bit better, and I'm gonna
Speaker 5: go to sleep about knowing that I upset you to
Speaker 5: the point where you didn't really want to hear me.
Speaker 2: But thank you, you didn't upset me. You didn't upset me.
Speaker 2: You gave me a good battle. That's all. Thanks Theodo
Speaker 2: talking all right, good you too, good night. Well take
Speaker 2: a break, coming right back on nights that I will
Speaker 2: get Paul and Tom in. I guarantee it. And if
Speaker 2: you want to call, I'll try to get you in
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: They we're gonna get both Tom and Paul in. Tom.
Speaker 2: We start with you, Tom, go and Tom and Dorchester.
Speaker 3: Hi, Jan, how are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great.
Speaker 3: Free. In the eighteen forties eighteen Party two, Turkey was
Speaker 3: a belligerent, so Russia went down and sank all their ships,
Speaker 3: their warships. France and England joined with Turkey and they
Speaker 3: fought on Crimea, called the Crimean War of the eighteenth Parties. Finally,
Speaker 3: after three and a half years, France, England and Turkey
Speaker 3: left because of the bloodshed. It was like a civil
Speaker 3: war when you if you got wounded in the leg,
Speaker 3: they cut your leg off. It was a bloodbath. So
Speaker 3: the Russia had Crimea and Ukraine was part of Russia.
Speaker 3: Part of Russia. Now in the nineteen fifties. Nikita Khrushchev
Speaker 3: made Ukraine an autonomous region, and that's what and they're
Speaker 3: not gonna Russia is not going to give up by
Speaker 3: Crimea because no, I.
Speaker 2: Agree with you. I appreciate the history. I appreciate the history.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why kruse Chef would have given
Speaker 2: that a. Krushchev was a dictator. What prompted Khrushchef to
Speaker 2: give up Crimea because that was that was a way
Speaker 2: in which Russia had access to a warm water port.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised Khruschef would have given that up voluntarily.
Speaker 3: Nikita Khrushchev was born there. That's why he was born.
Speaker 3: He is from the Ukraine area. He was born there.
Speaker 3: That's why he gave them autonomy. That was, yes, good place, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously it's been from from the point of view
Speaker 2: of Mother Russia or the point of view of the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union at the time that they they decided in
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen they wanted it back, and they took it
Speaker 2: back while President Obama was in office. Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: appreciate the appreciate the history. Thanks Tom, great night, good night. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was quick. Interesting. Let me go to Paul in Plymouth. Paul,
Speaker 2: you may wrap the show for us tonight. I co right,
Speaker 2: hit Paul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, I'll tell you what I think the president is. Uh,
Speaker 3: he's trying to fulfill his foreign policy agenda of the
Speaker 3: first administration where he said, wouldn't it be nice if Putin,
Speaker 3: if we could be friends. So I think that's his
Speaker 3: long term goal. I don't think he had a chance
Speaker 3: to do that, you know, with COVID and them, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, kicking him around the whole time. And so
Speaker 3: I think what he realizes that you don't want to
Speaker 3: go back to someone like Brezhnev for you know, the
Speaker 3: hardline communists that are in there. He could probably work
Speaker 3: with Putin, And I don't think he's he's giving in
Speaker 3: to him at all. I think, you know, Ben Putin
Speaker 3: probably realizes Trumps back here, he's the big dog on
Speaker 3: the block, and we're gonna have to work with this
Speaker 3: guy and uh, come to an end of this war.
Speaker 2: So that's what well, you know, the thing that's that's
Speaker 2: funny about this, Paul, historically is that historically it was
Speaker 2: always the Republicans who really were suspicious of the Russians
Speaker 2: and the Soviets. So whether it was Richard Nixon who
Speaker 2: had made you know, his bones as an anti communist,
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan who was tried and true anti communist, George
Speaker 2: Bush form ahead of the CIA. Now Trump comes along,
Speaker 2: and Trump's a Republican, not always was a Republican, once
Speaker 2: was a Democrat many and it's been an independent. And
Speaker 2: he's basically looking forward to, as you say, have better
Speaker 2: relations with Putin. And Biden was the guy the Democrats
Speaker 2: back in the day, you know, Ted Kennedy and a
Speaker 2: lot of the Democrats, they were willing to reach out
Speaker 2: to Russian to Soviet dictators. Like the world has switched.
Speaker 3: Interesting, right, Well, I'll tell you what I think. You know,
Speaker 3: as far as as far as Trump goes, he's you know,
Speaker 3: he comes from a different, different line I suppose of
Speaker 3: a republic.
Speaker 2: Here's a different breed. He's a different breed of cat.
Speaker 2: He's a businessman. Let's make a deal. If I can
Speaker 2: build a building and you know I can make money
Speaker 2: on it, he's yeah, he's, he's he's he's a businessman.
Speaker 2: For better or worse. He's Joe Biden never had a
Speaker 2: job in private sector. You know, a lot of the
Speaker 2: other presidents have have been people who were just politicians.
Speaker 2: These the he's the and uh anti politician, I guess
Speaker 2: would be the way to describe it.
Speaker 1: Oh, no problem.
Speaker 3: He goes and talks to the head man.
Speaker 2: Which yeah, there's no doubt about Hey. Thanks, thanks for
Speaker 2: the final call, Paul. You played us out. Thanks man,
Speaker 2: talk to you soon. Good night. Back to our night.
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