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Speaker 1: Our fearless president needed the week off. So here I

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I have two guests with me. Let me introduce our

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special guests. First, mister Thomas seven seven seven. How are

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Speaker 2: I know you well. Thanks for including me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, couldn't think of anybody better to invite on

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to talk about Clinton. And uh, mister Spader, how are you.

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Speaker 3: Doing doing well?

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all over that, All right? So today is the anniversary

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of anniversary and in quotes of the impeachment charges against

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William Jefferson Clinton being dismissed, and any of us who

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are old enough to remember that, which is me and

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Thomas remembers how much fun that was and how how

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much of a spectacle that was. So I'm gonna just

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just ask Thomas to jump in and say when you

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do you remember when when the these the indictment came down,

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and what did you think?

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Speaker 5: Well, course, you know, I was, I mean I was.

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I was an adult, and I was actively engaged in

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political life, you know, and I but Clinton's administration was

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a disaster of this country. You were still paying for

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it in concrete ways.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: The issue with Clinton that it wasn't something like trunk

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derangement syndrome, where he was just sort of this symbolic

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psychological figurehead that people directed their hostility towards, you know,

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based on kind of a morphous ill will towards the regime.

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He was a He was a genuinely evil person and

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at a critical juncture in the international situation, he completely

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destroyed what the foundation that had been laid for a

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lasting peace with the Russian Federation and you know, stability

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moving forward in Europe and Asia first and foremost the

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impeachment thing.

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Speaker 2: What trouble me about it then? And now?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean First of all, there was this whole

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sy op or people pretended and the the infotainment adult

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buddy politic accepted this, that this idea that Bill Quinton

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was being in keys for for for you know, moral turpitude,

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because the guy's a sex addict and he's carrying on

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in deviant ways in the Oval office and make a mistake,

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there's something really wrong with you. This is a middle

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aged man and he literally can't keep his penis in

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his pants, you know, during during the work day. I

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remember at the time all these crazy boomers, like literally

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mentally ill people saying, well, oh men are like that. Yeah,

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like I just go to work and pull my dick out,

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who's that out of control? I mean, what what else?

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is not some petty misdemeanor. If you can make perjury,

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you go to prison. So do why so does everybody else? Okay,

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it's it's it's a serious matter, okay. I mean, there's

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course of of of of depositions or anywhere sworn testimony

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is taken. It's not just because we want to stand

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on ceremony and and and it's a good idea for

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Speaker 2: It's because lying under oath is a serious crime. Okay.

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Speaker 5: And then the president doesn't it isn't exempt from it

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Speaker 2: So it what it what.

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Speaker 5: It became clear that he quite literally perjured himself in

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the course of issuing sworn testimony.

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Speaker 2: He had to be impeached.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise you're essentially endorsing lawless and as and you're saying

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the president can lie about whatever he wants, and to

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be clear, to Clinton's defenders, they tried to they tried

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to affect a bait and switch and suggest, well, you know,

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the president and his Article two role, he can't always

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be honest. You know what about exigen you know, uh,

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circumstances relating to national security, That's not what we're talking about.

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a lawsuit that had nothing to do with the president's role,

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or anything that touched on concerned policies sensitive or otherwise,

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kind of smarminess, the way the entire regime media apparatus

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approached Clinton and all of his defenders was really disgusting.

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people my age and older, it was jarring because you know,

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like I was shouting out the other day on social media,

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it's not like any had any illusions about you know,

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the previous administrations or something, but these were serious peace people,

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literal clown, this white trash piece of shit, who it

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kind of proudly flaunts the fact he has absolutely no

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ethics whatsoever. He's utilizing the office uh as a sort

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of platform for gross abuses of power and criminality. He's

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such a deviant he literally can't control himself during the

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work day, you know. And when you point this out,

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the refrain was we got to get with the times.

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are the same people today who find it trembling rages

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about Trump violating the dignity of the office. You know,

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it's it's incredible. It's it's like these people, Uh, it's

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like it's like these people have been senile their entire

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Oh no, you no, please do ahead.

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Speaker 3: Well it's interesting too. This is the advent of the

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moral majority this particular period. And yeah, plenty of presidents

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previously have been sex pests or have committed adultery. But

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there was a great deal to which the much of

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the country didn't know about this, or maybe not even

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much of Washington knew about this. The thing that was

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sort of unique about Clinton is that it's just played

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all over the news for everyone to see. You know,

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mothers are being forced to explain these terms long before

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they would want to have to explain to their children,

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these like bizarre gross acts that he's being accused of

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and maybe guilty of. And that's even aside all the

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corruption stuff. There's just this great deal of essentially a

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tabloid president just being blasted across the ether. And yeah,

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the end of the Cold War plays into this as well.

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There's just this great deal of of a loss of

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innocence of this era.

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Speaker 5: Well, the problem too, I mean the issue was also

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the issue wasn't that, oh, the president's engaged in infidelity

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or you know, he's got this kind of steady personal life.

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visiting call girls or something. We're talking about a guy

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who has developed a reputation for not being able to

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keep his hands off of female staffers. He saw out

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of control. He's literally taking his dick out in the

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Oval office and people are walking in and out of

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him engaged in these kinds of behaviors. This guy's a

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fucking animal. He's some kind of out of control monkey.

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I mean that that's the issue, you know, It's it's

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sort of the different from a guy who you know,

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after working hours or whatever. You know, maybe he maybe

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he dolgs a little too much in Scotch or whatever.

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guzzling vodka and shows up the office utterly shiit house

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and screaming at people. I mean, like, this is not

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this is not civilized human behavior. We can't have people

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carrying on like that. I mean said I rememberything else

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about him and trying to pass this off, to pass

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and I think I'm pretty worldly. I mean, admittedly I'm

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pretty discriminating, and who'll associate with. I don't know a

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single middle aged man who, in the middle of the

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work day I pulls his dick out and engages in

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gross sexual activity in the office.

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Speaker 2: Openly. I've never met someone who does that, you know.

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Speaker 5: And like I I was in my twenties when the

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Clinton scandal is going on, and I'd raise the people.

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I don't know any I don't even know any scumbags.

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I know who do that, you know, how this is

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what men do. It's like you want, you want crack.

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paying for the for the crimes of the Clint administration.

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It was a disaster for this country. He was a

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disaster for the world.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: But to be clear too, you know, people have this

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idea as well. I think even today even people who

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don't who don't have a favorable favorable view of the

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of the former president that oh well, this was the

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pretext to impeach Clinton.

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Speaker 2: Again, No, you can't. Perjury is not nothing.

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Speaker 5: The president can't just willing nilly, you know, commit felonies

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because he feels like it.

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Speaker 2: And it's inconvenient to be availed to.

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Speaker 5: Penal jeopardy like the rest of us when he when

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he opts to flavoredly violate the law. And I don't

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know why people can't get their mind around that. And

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it's just also it exhibits contempt for process. I mean

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one of the things, uh, you know, there's that famous

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Nixon sound bite. I mean people pull it out a

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context and try and employ it for punitive reasons to

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demonstrate Nixon's for the hypocrisy or whatever. I mean, that's

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that's obviously ridiculous. But you know, his his above the

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law speech that uh, that sounded like Steven at the

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start of that stupid Steven Sigall movie Above the Law,

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where he's like, you know, no man's above the law,

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no man's below the law. He was saying in the

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context of you know, you don't you don't have a past,

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uh excusing you from from from jeopardy under the law

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just because you're the president, or just because you're you've

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got some kind of tenure in Washington or or something.

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Speaker 2: You know, and that's true. It's like nobody can explain

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Speaker 5: You know, it goes out saying that private citizen goes

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to prison if he commits perjury. But well, in Bill

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Clinton's case, you're just picking on him, you know, Like

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so Bill Clinton, he just says carte blanche and cannet

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felonies when he feels like it. You know, I mean,

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and and the the waters are muddied too, because something

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that is a problem in this country. And this even

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precedes Nixon. You know, it really it really started, uh,

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it was it was really a response to the mood

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that uh is always looming the potentiality of this. So

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we've always got to keep the president in check, and

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we've always got to monitor as activities otherwise we're at

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risk of this of this uh, tyrannical overreach that that

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that had a really catastrophic effect on on the constitution

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of government. And that's one of the reasons why there's

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this sort of tyranny of the judiciary that we've been

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settled with, you know, at least since the Warrant Court,

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because nature of boors a vacuum, particularly within power paradigms,

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you know, So the Office Independent Council, I think it

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left a lot of bad taste in a lot of

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people's mouths that, Okay, this office with this, you know,

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with with this, with this cop type in ken Starr,

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and the office simply begins not by investigating wrongdoing or

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investigating crimes or investigating corruption. It just basically monitors the

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president and from the man goes outward looking for wrongdoing.

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not how we do things. You know, you don't if

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if you're gonna look for dirt on somebody, whether he's

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you know, whether he's a street sweeper, whether it's the

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president of United States, or you're gonna find something, and

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that's not that's not you do with that's not what

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you deal with public corruption. And you know the government

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of the United States, our system really does revolve around

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the executive That's the way it's intended to function, not

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just in you know, because the essence of sovereignty is

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is power political decisionism. And that's that's literally coded into

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Article two in expressly deleted authority. But also the president

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obviously is the only nationally elected representative. You know, he

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represents the American people and you know, as in as

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a whole. And you know, it's been it's been very

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very bad, this kind of diminishing of the office and

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this uh, this this kind of exploitation of this of

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this myth of you know, we got we gotta defend

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against executive overreach.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: Plus this never really happened other than by design, you know,

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executive power was really great, you know, whether I'm I'm

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the first person to point out that the war between

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the States could couldn't be rationalized on ethical or or

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pragmatic political grounds.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how could it?

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Speaker 5: You know, you don't kill off half a million of

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your own people to resolve a political crisis and everything

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else aside historical outcomes notwithstanding, but Lincoln wasn't breaking the

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law by suspending habeas corpus during a time of open

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civil warfare. I mean, that's that's well within the parameters

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of article to authority, you know. And there's this idea too,

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the one end, sometimes I think he takes sometimes I

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think he takes a principal stand, although anybody is truly

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principal wouldn't involve himself with the government. But you know,

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he's one of these guys like Ron Paul. He's got

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this fetish for procedures, and he he suggests these asenine

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things such as the president, it's illegal for him to

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act in the expressly delegated commander in chief role unless

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he procures a declaration of war from Congress. I mean,

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this is this is asenine for all kinds of reasons,

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you know, And uh, I think some of that's faded.

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And one of the things I hold against Trump is

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that Trump actually had a tremendous mandate.

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Speaker 2: That he squandered. You know, I don't I don't think

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he has the I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's got the cojones or of the

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intellect to be a real executive at that base.

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Speaker 2: Is a media guy, you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's time that I don't think he's a

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principal individual either, But you know, I don't. I don't

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think he's got the chops for it. But the fact

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of the matter is, like the Trump's mandate that he

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did have and that he subsequently squandered, that came from

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the man himself. I mean, the body politic were you know,

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they weren't voting for a set of policy initiatives. I mean,

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outrage with immigration crisis and other things, but they were

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conferring that mandate on Trump, not on the office.

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Speaker 2: You know. So there is a sort of.

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Speaker 5: Caesarism, a sort of soft Caesarism that has made.

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Speaker 2: Something of a return.

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Speaker 5: And uh, you know, he could have done a lot

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of good in relative terms, you know, with with I

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don't I mean I I in my opinion, I this

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system isn't salvagable.

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Speaker 2: And that's not just going the my own ideological prejudices

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or what have you.

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Speaker 5: It's the structure of the federal regime is obsolete as

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long as the twentieth century. But that's I mean that

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that's only the issue with Clinton, and it's also the

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you know, the uh him destroy him deliberately. I mean,

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Clinton was the first neo coon too. I mean that's

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that's a lot of people forget that or they don't

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understand that fully, you know, him deciding that we're gonna

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pivot to a policy of aiming to destroy the Russian

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Federation as not just as a sovereign polity, but the

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Russians as a people and as a discreete you know,

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cultural form. Historically.

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Speaker 1: Thomas gonna ask you a question, Yeah, when you say

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it's the first neo khon, would that be would there

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be evidence in and you can correct me if my

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numbers are wrong on this. I think before from World

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War Two to nineteen ninety two, the military had been

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deployed by the president eight times. In eight years of Clinton,

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it was deployed forty four different on forty four different

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occasions for policing and all sorts of things he was

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trying to do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that that that, I'm sure that figures correct.

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What's also too, something something really strange happened.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me. In hindsight, this was entirely predictable. But the.

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Speaker 5: You know, the one of the reasons why, well, there

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was this whole Pentagon purge where essentially these holdovers from

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the Cold War, you know, and uh that Kadria general

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officers that were so impressive in the in the Gulf War,

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those guys were those guys were cashered out and they

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were replaced by these bizarre you know, uniform fetishists and

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and and complete chumps and you know, bizarre mediocrates. Because

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it's uh so what you were left with was kind

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of the military equivalent of of of Fauci, you know.

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They it became this massive apparatus in search of a

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raizone detra. So on the one hand, you had the

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hijiacking of policy, you know, by these people who for

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ethno sectarian reasons wanted to annihilate the Russian Federation and

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wage for anti perpetual and perennial war and dar al Islam.

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Speaker 2: But then you.

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Speaker 5: Also you had this massive bloated apparatus that had become

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totally redundant, and they were desperate to uh you know,

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rent seekers and parasites that they are.

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Speaker 2: They were desperate to.

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Speaker 5: Find a mission orientation and that would rationalize this this

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kind of massive.

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Speaker 2: Uh war machine.

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Speaker 5: So it became, oh, well, we're the you know, we're

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our role is doing force the social engineering regime in

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planetary capacities by violence.

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Speaker 2: You know, I remember.

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Speaker 5: One of the most bizarre, sinister people in Living memories,

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Wesley Clark. He was this He was this crazy gew liberal.

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I was, yeah, he's insane. Yeah, it was this insane

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liberal who literally come out and say that it's unacceptable

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for quote ethnically homogenous states to exist in Europe. So

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he was the military essentially to the to uh batter

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people into submission who try and assert a right ethnic homogeneity.

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uh And like I said, in nineteen ninety nine, I

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went to this thing, the NATO Secretary General I think

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is the official title. He was this guy named George Robertson,

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this new labor piece of shit. Guy was like obviously drunk.

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He was like this drunk slob, like Scottish guy with

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visibly rotten teeth and he's like chuckling about how he's like,

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you know, the the night I was going to get well,

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but they it was forever. The fuck is wrong with you?

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You know, the uh, the humors of these people. Uh,

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it was like the erotic giddiness of an arsonist or something.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I I was, I was shocked by it. I mean

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I shouldn't have been, but I was a young man,

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you know. And uh so, yeah, that was I mean,

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that was that was kind of the perfect storm of

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uh of factors on the foreign policy and Warren peace

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side of things, you know. And then of course Clinton

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repealed Glass Stiegel and by executive order he basically people

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blame the Community Reinvestment Act is laying the foundation for

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all these toxic financial instruments that you know, came to

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prop up the uh the you know, the the kind

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of new way of doing business and the financial side.

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And Clinton did utilize these kinds of long dormant statues

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like the Community Reinvestment Act as a rationale. But he

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basically by executive order made this stuff happen, you know.

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And that's that's when that's when uh what this is

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alsough too, When when when the American left kind of

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ceased to exist. You know, people talk a lot about how,

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you know, oh, the Republicans sold out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the point all the.

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Speaker 5: Time, there there was no right wing after ninety forty

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five and even previously. I mean, like we talked about

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the other day, like Pete and I did you know

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really in in in in America, the right wing went

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down in ancient sixty five. But there was a constellation

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of resistance elements who who came to contitute the old

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right as it were. But they they they were a

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diverse lot. But you know, the the the the the

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appearance of of of partisan diversity just evaporated. It was

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abolished in any real sense, you know, because the because

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the Democrats, they abandoned any pretext of representing organized labor

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you know, Clinton was go, go go on NAFTA, implementing

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NAFTA on the w t O, on Gatt and everything else,

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you know, And and he married the he married the

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the d n C to Wall Street, you know. And

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if the if if the Democrats platform isn't married big labor,

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like what like what is it?

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Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: It uh, yeah, there's if I may a little bit,

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it's worth it's worth pointing out that both Carter and

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Reagan are really outsiders. They don't appeared this way so

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much to us now, but we're really outsiders to the

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existing political like party apparatus as it exists. They're both

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populists of a sort. And Reagan's victory, really it is

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a shock to the system in a way that even

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Carter's victory isn't. And Reagan's coalition is extremely successful. And

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the reason that Bill Clinton is ultimately successful is that

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he's able to take the components of the Reagan coalition,

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specifically the the deregulation right the it's not you know,

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Reagan himself is not exactly super hostile to organize labor,

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although he's certainly not as friendly to it as others

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of the time. But to take this much more like

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market oriented, We're gonna cut taxes, We're gonna make America

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you know, less bloated, that sort of thing, you know,

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slash and all that. That's the thing that Bill Clinton

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is actually able to take away from the Reagan coalition

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and specifically from Bush. From Bush Bush forty one h

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he promises, yeah, he promises no new taxes, and then

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when he's forced to raise taxes in spite of his promise,

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this is something that Clinton hammers him on. And yeah,

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as maybe trite as it seems like, this is pretty

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significant in terms of what swings the ninety two election

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in Clinton's favor. And so by by the time Clinton

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is president, he has this unique ability like he's running

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essentially on a partial Reagan coalition. He's just shaved off

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the offensive parts, all the you know, the Pat Buchannan

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types and the cold warriors, they're all gone.

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Speaker 5: But he also, yeah, people forget too, Bill Clinton. He

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presided over the execution of more men than any other

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governor of Arkansas history. And he'd swagger. He'd see he's

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swagger about that, and he'd be like, you know, yeah,

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I've I've like executed more men than you know, doing

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the cute or something like he was mister law and order,

474
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,440
I'm tough on crime. You know, I'm mister tough on crime.

475
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,480
The blue Dog Democrat as he used to be called. Yeah,

476
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,039
I you know.

477
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,319
Speaker 2: What I mean.

478
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,599
Speaker 5: So it's predictable, but plus two to be fair, boys

479
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,079
forty one he never really seemed comfortable in the campaign

480
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,000
seat as it were.

481
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:24,759
Speaker 2: And obviously in eighty eight he you know, he.

482
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 5: Docucus wasn't just a poluka like it was a fake candidacy,

483
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,319
you know, like nobody it was. It was cafe. It

484
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:35,839
was bullshit, you know. So he hadn't really had the

485
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,400
campaign before. He wasn't comfortable in the role. Clinton was

486
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,079
on a permanent campaign, that's all he did. In contrast,

487
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,440
you had the entire media apparatus working for him, you know,

488
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,039
on behalf of his candidacy.

489
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: And I mean, Ross Perro is a huge spoiler.

490
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 5: I know some people claim otherwise, but they don't know

491
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,200
what the fuck they're talking about.

492
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: Pro is a spoiler. An order of wall is arguably

493
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,559
even more so.

494
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,039
Speaker 5: And uh that that the reel the Bush forty one

495
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:12,440
campaign also were rid a bona fide recession, you know,

496
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,599
and people don't. That's a fascinating subject there because there

497
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:18,079
aren't real recessions anymore.

498
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong.

499
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,079
Speaker 5: And that doesn't mean that the American's immune to financial

500
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:28,319
crisis moving forward to structural crisis. But UH something you know,

501
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:30,359
something like the crash of eighty seven. It is no

502
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:38,000
longer possible the UH you know, it's been information awareness

503
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,599
to the UH up in real time, the ability to

504
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:48,720
manage aggregate data at truly global scale. That's precluded a

505
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:54,480
lot of UH that's basically rubberized the the financial system

506
00:32:54,759 --> 00:33:02,920
against what traditionally are there our uncertainties that breed genuine crises,

507
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,720
but not. Going into the ninety two election, there was

508
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,160
like a bona fide recession underway and a lot a

509
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,000
lot of people were out of work. I mean, don't

510
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,079
get me wrong. A lot of people struggle these days,

511
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,000
believe me, I know that. And inflation is a real problem.

512
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,920
But there's not there's not. There's there's not it's some

513
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:25,960
like absurd amount of of there's not an absurd percentage

514
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,559
of working age people who can't find work and can't

515
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:33,240
access money today. This is not happening, Okay, but yeah,

516
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,359
I you know, it's but that's.

517
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,119
Speaker 2: That's when I mean.

518
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 5: On the one hand, I I take exception when people

519
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,039
overstate the fact that well, well, you know, America became

520
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:52,240
a one party system after ninety two, because after ninety

521
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,480
forty five there there you know again like there wasn't

522
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,240
there wasn't an American right anymore after ninety forty five.

523
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,599
But at the same time, there was a partisan divide.

524
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:12,239
There was a real cleft between between mobilized interest, particularly

525
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,199
you know, labor and capital, but also relating a power

526
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,440
political affairs, you.

527
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: Know, and yeah, you got what the New Dealers are like,

528
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,440
that coalition kind of splinters and the Southern populists, who

529
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,880
represent a pretty critical component of the New Deal they

530
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:33,079
they're kind of shoved out. And that's that's what Wallace

531
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,920
hails from. I mean, in many ways Wallace is the

532
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,719
consonant New Dealer. It just doesn't appear to us that

533
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,760
way because of some of the racial politics and the

534
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,239
way that he's remembered. And Carter, you know, does this

535
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,239
a little bit as well, though not to the same degree.

536
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,519
Speaker 5: Well, the well it's also too, I mean, the there

537
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:56,480
was the new politics, so I mean reg Nixon was

538
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,880
from California, so was Reagan, Carter and Clinton obviously you

539
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,559
know from the Carter from the Deep South. Clinton was

540
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:09,559
from Arkansas. You know that there was big agrib business, aerospace,

541
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,039
nasant and then not so nascent computing and information tech.

542
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,800
There was this revolt against uh, the East Coast establishments.

543
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:22,800
That's one of the ways I can tell, Like Clinton's

544
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,480
wife slash mommy, you know, Hillary is a fucking retard,

545
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,519
Like what was this stupid cunt dude, Like she's like

546
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,679
she she moved to New York because she's basically like

547
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,960
a wanna be social registered type. Because he's like this

548
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:37,559
dumb ass. Totally, I have to touch a boomer. It's like, Lady,

549
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,559
that guy you followed to wash it and got elected

550
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:45,159
because he's not some wanna be East Coast UH power broker.

551
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,679
Like the whole country revolted against that bullshit, you know.

552
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,239
I mean, plus two, there's this economic realities you know,

553
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,000
like I I talked to my dad about.

554
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: This not long ago.

555
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,079
Speaker 5: You know, the DEGA, which power was truly concentrated on

556
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:05,400
the East Coast really until the seventies, like ninety sixties.

557
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,360
Really that like they can't they can't be overstated. You know,

558
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:15,199
even even Los Angeles, uh, or like Chicago, Zenith, you know,

559
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:20,840
it was like we had nothing compared to I mean,

560
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,880
Daily was a king maker and stuff, you know, and

561
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,480
you had uh Hollywood and real power you know, even

562
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,199
in uh even in the.

563
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:31,519
Speaker 2: Old studios system days.

564
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,079
Speaker 5: But like if you if you're talking about who decides

565
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,679
who rules America, I mean that that emanated from New York, man,

566
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,800
you know, New York and the New England, and that's

567
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,320
that's all that all changed.

568
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean part of that is.

569
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:53,079
Speaker 5: For the reasons you said, But yeah, I I uh,

570
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,159
well it's also too I mean, I what I was

571
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:57,880
gonna say a mim ago that I kind of lost

572
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,519
my train of thought.

573
00:36:59,639 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: You know.

574
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 5: I there wasn't a real right in America after ninety

575
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,159
forty five, but there were there was a real there

576
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,320
was a real cleft between entrenched interests that were jockeying

577
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,559
the control of the executive like really all you I mean,

578
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:17,440
first of all, it makes no sense that, like in

579
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,239
twenty twenty six, that the Democrats call themselves the Democrats

580
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,320
and the Republicans brand themsels that way.

581
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, in.

582
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 5: America, they aren't parties, and it's goofy people act like

583
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,599
there are like there is no Democrat party. What it

584
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,039
would be accurate as if the Democrats called themselves. I

585
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,159
mean that they're the ruling coalition and the Republicans, like

586
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:43,000
the people who run on the Republican ticket, they're the

587
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:46,679
official opposition, you know, and the official opposition is to

588
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:52,360
capture the White House periodically. But beyond that, their their

589
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,239
role is to is to be the is to be

590
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,360
the minority faction.

591
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:58,559
Speaker 2: You know.

592
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because Republicans are actually fairly good at

593
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,199
winning elections. Since nineteen forty five, they've won quite a

594
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,559
few of them. But the thing that sort of comes

595
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:15,159
doe that you realize is that every time a Republican

596
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:20,239
wins an election, with limited exceptions, they don't actually govern,

597
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,159
like the victory is actually winning the election, whereas when

598
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:27,480
the Democrat Party wins an election, they actually come in

599
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:29,800
and start governing the country. You know, it depends on

600
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,320
who it is or what factions it is. They're pushing

601
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,599
in a particular direction, they have priorities, whatever. But the

602
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,920
point being, like the architectures of the two parties totally different.

603
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,440
It's not to say Republicans don't win elections. They do,

604
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,639
but they they don't govern the country.

605
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 5: I mean, because that's not your role as the official opposition,

606
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:52,639
you know, yeah, yeah, exactly. But it's also goovy too.

607
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,159
I mean, this isn't just a social media thing. I

608
00:38:55,159 --> 00:39:00,320
hear people in real space talk this way, like not

609
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,559
to talk in Chicago because Chicago's kind of its own reality.

610
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:08,039
But uh like, especially on the road, you know, you'll

611
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:10,880
find these like Fox News types. They'll literally talk and

612
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,039
denerous about a cool Democrat Party, like there's some sort

613
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:18,760
of cadre party structure, uh you know, like uh like

614
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,559
shin Fein or something, or like the old Labor Party

615
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,079
of people who call themselves the Democrat Party and Pete

616
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:30,199
Dues or something and are are committed to this ideological program.

617
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,840
It's it's it's like what you're smoking crack like this.

618
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,480
I mean, I mean, obviously, like that's particularly stupid and

619
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:43,960
enfltainment coded. But the whole, the whole American system is

620
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:49,159
uh structured so to preclude parties. You know, everything's from

621
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:56,239
single member districts. You know, uh winner take all electoral

622
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:02,480
uh process. You know, you don't even if there was

623
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:06,679
a more open system. Uh, you wouldn't you wouldn't have

624
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,519
you wouldn't have parties in America like you do in Europe.

625
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,559
You know, like that that's just not the way the

626
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,679
country structure. There's not anything to work here.

627
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: You know.

628
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 5: And uh, like I tell you all the time, I mean,

629
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,639
obviously I'd never run for office like I because that'd

630
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:25,039
be ridiculous and I never you know what I mean, Like, uh,

631
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,440
but uh, if I was going to I'd run as

632
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,440
a Democrat just because where I live. Like if I

633
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,159
if I ran on a Democrat ticket, where when I

634
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,719
suddenly become some like gay liberal or something like, you know,

635
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,960
like being a Democrat needs you register to run as

636
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,039
a Democrat and then that's what it says on the ballot,

637
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:47,400
what you know, beside your name, you know, like like

638
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:48,840
it's it's it's meaningless.

639
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:49,559
Speaker 2: You know.

640
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,639
Speaker 5: That's One of the one of the only people in

641
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:58,000
my lifetime I've ever respected in Washington was James Webb.

642
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,559
You know, he wrote a really great book too, Fields

643
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:07,079
of Fire, about the Vietnam War from a grunts perspective.

644
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,079
But uh, you know he uh and he wrote an

645
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,280
interesting book too on on the Ulster Scotts in America,

646
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,480
which was a kind of pop history. But I appreciated

647
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:23,719
him shouting out the ulster trude. But he, I mean,

648
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,719
he he you know he was he ran as a Democrat.

649
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Did they suddenly transform into some like big liberal like

650
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:33,400
I And like he made that point because Goofy is like,

651
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:36,639
you're you're, you're you know, you're basically consorting with the

652
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,159
enemy's think we were talking about like what what what

653
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,679
what What's a democrat? You know, Like he's, uh, he's like,

654
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,280
he's like a RAN's a Democrat precisely because I'm trying

655
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,480
to break people of this perception that you know, uh,

656
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:58,760
there there's some meaning to these signifiers, you know. And

657
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,239
I mean also beyond that, I mean, to your point,

658
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,559
he was trying to uh run something of an insurgent,

659
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:09,679
something of an insurgency campaign and get a white Southern

660
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:17,079
pocketist cadre into the ruling coalition. People didn't seem to

661
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:19,280
be really ready for that yet. I mean, Web was

662
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,880
an unusual guy, but he's another figure. He's not much

663
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:29,960
talked about. I think sort of laid the foundation in

664
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,719
psychological terms for Trump's ascendency.

665
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,039
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, yeah, he gets uh, he gets slaughtered

666
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,440
on the stage in twenty sixteen in the Democrat primary

667
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:44,000
when they all get asked like do black lives matter?

668
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,199
Or do all lives matter? And of course, you know,

669
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,480
all of them repeat the slogan ad nauseum and he goes, well,

670
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,480
you know, of course all lives matter, and it's like

671
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:57,039
that right answer. Yeah, yeah, it was one of those

672
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,079
just like it was so bizarre too, because you think

673
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,039
about a figure like Hillary Clinton, right, it's like, oh, yeah,

674
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:08,119
Hillary Clinton is a big believer in black lives matter,

675
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:13,320
given the the presidency of her husband and her own

676
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,199
political career, Like it's just ridiculous. But it's these sort

677
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,679
of like ad nauseum, you know, you got to repeat

678
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,719
the dogma of the parties, and that's that's sort of

679
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,360
like the interest groups in the Democrat Party that are

680
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,760
able to extract that from these candidates regardless in some

681
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,760
sense generally they get some good policy wins, but somewhat

682
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,559
regardless of the policy wins, there's this like you have

683
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,760
to repeat back to us the correct answer.

684
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,039
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean it's uh yeah, because they're again

685
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:48,159
they're they're the ruling coalition and a.

686
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: Lot of this is driven.

687
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 5: Legacy media is part of that apparatus obviously, I mean,

688
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,880
I mean they are like in structural terms, you know,

689
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:08,880
and that's so these narratives are confabulated and devised within that,

690
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:14,039
uh with within uh the you know, legacy media space.

691
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:20,920
So conforming to that is uh a litmus test of

692
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:27,480
a sort web. But yeah, Web didn't wasn't really comfortable

693
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:31,440
in media space. He because he wasn't a media guy.

694
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:36,440
And uh, there's not to say that that's fatal to

695
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,440
uh a candidate. There's plenty of guys who can actually

696
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,800
lean into that oddest the examlike seem like like Andy

697
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,840
Warhol of Fantasy was kind of he actually was like

698
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,559
kind of a weird intro averb even though he had

699
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:50,800
all these like sexy girls around him and like famous

700
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,760
people and stuff wanted to chill with him. But he

701
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,440
one of the reasons he became this sort of scholar

702
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:00,480
and analyst of media is because like there was always

703
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:02,280
a camera being shoved in his face and he didn't

704
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,519
feel comfortable with that at all. But he leaned into

705
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:08,039
being uncomfortable with that, and like so he came off

706
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,559
as cool, like you can't do that, you know, uh,

707
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,679
you can make that work for you like, I think

708
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:15,960
this is fucked up and I creepy. I don't like this.

709
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,480
But hey, by the way, you know, Hillary Clinton's a

710
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:23,519
stupid content. She doesn't really think black lives matter. You know,

711
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:27,079
in fact, actually called like she called black man super predators.

712
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,519
You know, you can like you can like flip the

713
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:33,519
script easily if you actually you know, orly take the

714
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:37,960
gloves off, and and and and and go with it,

715
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,559
you know. I but obviously Web wasn't the man to

716
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:49,960
do that. But uh, but yeah, I uh it's but

717
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:53,000
again too, I mean, yeah, the only I don't want

718
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,239
to spend this off in a discussion uh conceptual and

719
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:02,719
symbolic psychology and media conditioning and things. But the degree

720
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,119
to which like people wouldn't even have any concept of

721
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,719
the ideological narrative of something like BLM, which itself is

722
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,639
a contrivant, it wasn't there inful team. And quite literally,

723
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,639
the entire way that they structure these moral paradigms that

724
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:23,559
supposed to be so invested in it comes from legacy media.

725
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,239
And it'd be like becoming emotionally invested in a video

726
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,239
game and then extrapolating that to you know, the way

727
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,519
you pattern your life and things.

728
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:33,639
Speaker 2: It's totally bizarre.

729
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 5: You know, we've got to we've got to pretend to

730
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,079
care about these things that our growth mischaracterized on their

731
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:46,159
own terms, and that I have no experience of outside of,

732
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,639
you know, passively observing a stage managed and curated narrative

733
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,280
surrounding this thing. And then if this candidate doesn't correctly abide,

734
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,639
you know, his role within that narrative, you know, it

735
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,119
triggers its anger response in me, and then we all

736
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,199
partake in this sort of collective condemnation. It's really strange,

737
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,519
it's really primitive, you know. But that's that's one of

738
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:13,079
the reasons why. I mean, it's not the fact the

739
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,639
only way to win is to adopt a vanguardist posture

740
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:20,079
and having on strategic terms. I I continue to be

741
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,599
amazed at people who have like a big tense sensibility.

742
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,800
It's like you, it's like you really want to posh

743
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,159
the sensible center, and it's like, if you've fucking seen

744
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:29,079
what these people are about, or let's know what they say,

745
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,920
they're they're they're they're like legitimately insane, you know, and

746
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:39,440
they they they they can't be selfished. I mean, not

747
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,360
that Americans are particularly bad. I mean, maybe they are,

748
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,119
maybe they aren't. Depends where you fall and depends what

749
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,760
the criteria are. But I mean that's the way it

750
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,559
always is. You know, this idea that the body politic

751
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:55,119
is educable and in like broad stroke terms doesn't doesn't

752
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:55,840
make any sense.

753
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: Well, it's what makes it so funny when you had

754
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,239
all these legacy and this I think Trump kind of

755
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,920
kicked this off in a couple certainly, the neuroticism of it,

756
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,039
of all these legacy media figures who want to, you know,

757
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:14,360
put on airs about how much the body politic. You know,

758
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,559
democracy dies in darkness.

759
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, the.

760
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,599
Speaker 3: People are being hoodwinked, They're they're being led astray. We

761
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,760
used to have an honorable media, and now it's like terrible,

762
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,000
And it's like when you really dig into it the

763
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:32,000
way that like streamers are now, like I'm sure our

764
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:35,639
audience has maybe heard of some of the funny travails

765
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,079
of certain streamers in the last few weeks, it's like

766
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,719
that's actually much closer to the way it's kind of

767
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,480
always been. Like the media journalists, it's just that that's

768
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,719
how they are. But there's this sort of they want

769
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,440
to put on this show about like no, we're we're

770
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,760
above it all, but they're not. It's just it's been

771
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,280
like this, Well they're also there.

772
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: These are like the worst people you can positively evage.

773
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,320
I mean, what'd he say?

774
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 5: These the same These are the same people the claim

775
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,159
that you know Nixon was evil. We need you know,

776
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,840
we we we because demography dies in darkness. We need,

777
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,400
we need, we need, we need a bunch of secret

778
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,400
police type from the FBI, Washington bagman pimps. And it's

779
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,199
like this constellation of other like you know, totally immoral

780
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:29,119
career is to protect us from evil Nixon. It's like it, yeah,

781
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,760
I I need to I need to wopoh, like a

782
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,840
bunch of crazy zion Is billionaires who have contented for

783
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:40,559
human life, you know, some some bizarre fairy like Anderson Cooper,

784
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,519
who's uh, you know, living out this kind of synecure

785
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,639
because uh, that's all the Vanderbilt name as anymore. I

786
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:52,280
need these people to protect me from myself, I guess

787
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:59,000
you know. It's uh. I it's incredible people.

788
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: Think like George Stephanopolis to tie this back into Clinton.

789
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,280
You know, George Stefanopolis is one of these uh kind

790
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,960
of like Clinton bagman, and after after Clinton is no

791
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:15,480
longer president, he gets this like prestige TV role where

792
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:18,800
he gets like a pointed a arbiter of fairness and

793
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,400
democracy in Washington. It's like this guy is just basically

794
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,199
a criminal in a lot of ways.

795
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred and I yeah, nobody can explained to

796
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,440
me why. Uh, like even if it was true, I mean,

797
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,800
even if even if people like myself, I mean, like

798
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,840
us were really evil people. And uh, even if you're

799
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,800
kind of even eve when you're kind of normy centric

800
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,639
and you don't you look a scance at outlaws and

801
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:51,000
you're some kind of believer in the system. It's like,

802
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:54,599
so your notion is that, like people like Hillary Clinton

803
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,320
are protecting us from bad people, and yeah, your pointing

804
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:02,239
these uh some pieces of it, like George Stephanopoliz, you know,

805
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,679
he he's got to be the gatekeeper otherwise he might

806
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,239
be led astray. It's like, it's like, what the hell's

807
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,800
wrong with you? I mean, like if anybody who thinks

808
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:15,119
that way is demented in the clinical sense. But I

809
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,840
think that that's uh, I mean one of the positive

810
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:21,599
Like I mean I've been saying from jump, you know, Trump.

811
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:26,639
The guy isn't important. It's what he represents and the

812
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:34,639
disruption that you know, the the Trump coalition or the

813
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:44,039
Populace swell represents, and you know, uh, Washington culture and

814
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:47,639
legacy media culture has become a punchline. Everybody's got contempt

815
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,119
for these people, and nobody looks at them as.

816
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,119
Speaker 2: People look at them the way.

817
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,159
Speaker 5: The you know, the the people in the Soviet Union

818
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:02,400
looked at apparatchiks and in the final years, you know that.

819
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:04,320
I mean, and be clear, I'm not I'm not saying

820
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:09,519
America is eminently gonna collapse in formal terms, but it

821
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:11,199
is coming to an end. I mean, this is gonna

822
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:16,679
be a long process. But you know, nobody these people

823
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,440
have no they have no moral credibility, and they're increasingly

824
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,679
just these out of touch they just out of touch

825
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:33,480
gr intocracy that or or yesterday's men. But yeah, that's uh,

826
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,559
I I gotta I got a long dat tomorrow. I'm

827
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:41,639
gonna bounce in a minute. But before I do, Uh,

828
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,639
is there anything else specifically you guys want to do

829
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:44,360
address with me?

830
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 3: Should we go ahead? Sarpy?

831
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got we got a couple of super chats here.

832
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll stick around as long as possible for those.

833
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, okay, cool, all right?

834
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh three dollars says did I beat solid Snake? Also,

835
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,880
is Hillary a good wife for not divorcing slick Willie?

836
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:12,119
Speaker 5: No, because what she is is despite what people think,

837
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,719
these these pussy owning sex addicts are actually male lake

838
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,320
Like every every guy who actually Clinton does it base,

839
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,760
he's like something like he's a punk, you know. So

840
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,960
so piggy Clinton is a piggy. Clinton married his mommy,

841
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,320
you know, and her role is to be his mammy.

842
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,280
Like that's that's what it is. She doesn't care what

843
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,800
he does, she doesn't care what he puts his dick

844
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,639
because she's not as she's not his wife, she's his mammy.

845
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: And that's fucking grows empathetic.

846
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I was thinking though, considering all

847
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,280
the stuff that Clinton did when he was in Arkansas,

848
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:49,719
the whole mena scandal, running the coke and everything. It

849
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,679
always seems like whenever they get somebody to get insinuated

850
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,880
in that, it's always a sex pest, a pervert, a scumbag,

851
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:02,440
a Jeffrey Epps seeing a Hunter Biden, that kind of

852
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,960
person it's almost like that that's the kind of person

853
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,719
they need to do that kind of stuff.

854
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: Well, no, it is. That's why.

855
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,679
Speaker 5: You know in Uh, it's not a good film overall,

856
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,880
but there are there are aspects of it they are good.

857
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:22,599
You know, in The Good Shepherd, when the damon character

858
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,639
he's being cultivated by by m I five or whatever,

859
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,719
and there's that very gay like old school, uh, Intelligence

860
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,320
service guy and he realizes he's like he tells him like,

861
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:43,000
you know, right before, like immediately after the Vermacht assaults

862
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,480
poland he tells them in so many words like I

863
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,199
know they're gonna whack me because they know they can't

864
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:50,079
trust me because I'm queer basically, and then sure enough,

865
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:56,880
you know they do. And traditionally the intelligence game it

866
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:02,360
was a deal breaker if you had sexual problem. It's

867
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,480
not because everybody in the intelligence game with some puritanical homophobe.

868
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:10,639
It's because somebody can be compromised through sex. Whatever their

869
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:15,159
preference is is is a huge liability because they're a

870
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:18,159
little better passions. And if you subjugate reason to passion,

871
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:23,119
I mean, not only can you be bought, but your

872
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:33,280
entire in her life orbits around this corporeal compultent need compulsion,

873
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,840
you know, so that yeah, it's not accidental, all.

874
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:43,079
Speaker 1: Right, Don Browning. I think the one woman who watches

875
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:51,039
this show, she sends a fifty dollars Australian Okay, no,

876
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:56,119
we love doing here, supersticker and anthropomorphic video game controller

877
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:58,440
that throws a punch, does a kick and puts up

878
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:06,360
a V for victory fingers with super effective written around him. Yeah,

879
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,760
when you just look at it, it's really not that complicated,

880
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:15,920
but that does definitely describe it. Yeah, X Runner fifty

881
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,440
five says, fight all the super chat says, I remember

882
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,800
when the Democrats, the Party of Feminists and Believe all women,

883
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:26,199
were collectively calling Monica Lewinsky an opportunistic core.

884
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, that's their whole that's their whole jive.

885
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:39,320
And these people, actually somebody made the point one of

886
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,599
the it wasn't It might have been Gorvit Dell, who

887
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:47,360
I actually, even as I age, I developed more respect

888
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,119
for Gorvett Dell. Frankly, buddy, Uh, give me the point

889
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:53,760
that he was speaking in terms of these like nineteen

890
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:59,320
sixties and seventies sexual liberationist types. Give the point that

891
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,960
these people are actually Puritans who hate sex. That's why

892
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,519
they've got this gross and clinical view of it. And

893
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,760
they don't understand modesty and things because they don't actually

894
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,480
understand sex and such as they do, they they've got

895
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:16,599
contempt for it. That's that that that was full on

896
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:20,559
full display with these freaks who love Clinton. It's like, okay,

897
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:23,639
so it's like your guy is literally a rapo and

898
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:29,280
uh and and and a deviant with the the sexual

899
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,159
sensibilities of a monkey. But if anyone dare criticize them,

900
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,159
you know, it's that whorror, that scarlet woman. You know,

901
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,320
how how how dare you criticize you know, the great

902
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,400
Piggy Clinton. It's uh like kya dissonance doesn't exist to

903
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,000
these people because they don't they they've got they've got

904
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:49,880
totally warped ideas about sex anyway, So it doesn't com

905
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,960
cute that that comes off as not just type of critical,

906
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:55,679
but naked lean coherent.

907
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're right, mh.

908
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,559
Speaker 1: I know you remember this the news like CNN and

909
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,239
different news outlets, we're saying that, well, Monica Lewinsky was

910
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,079
stalking him. I'm like some Jewish broad is stalking the

911
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:14,880
president of the United States. What the fuck are you

912
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:15,559
talking about her?

913
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,039
Speaker 5: Well, the whole thing too, I mean was uh. I mean,

914
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:23,239
I'm not saying uh, I mean minicael Lewinsky was a

915
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,239
was a grown woman, a majority and you know, she

916
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,199
made her own decisions. I'm not saying she was a victim,

917
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,119
but I mean, frankly, she was just she was just

918
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:33,760
she was this homely.

919
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: Fat girl.

920
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:39,079
Speaker 5: With uh you know who was got a who was

921
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,920
an intern, you know, fetching coffee. The fact, the I mean,

922
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,079
the fact she was even in contact with the president

923
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:48,679
was improper. But obviously she got cornered by this piggy

924
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:52,800
guy who is you know, basically was like whipping his

925
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:53,199
dick out.

926
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: Is like, yes, this is what we're gonna do.

927
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:59,239
Speaker 5: I mean that if anybody's I mean, if anybody, if

928
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:01,280
you should feelquel easy about anything, I mean it's the

929
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,599
fact that obviously this this guy who was exploiting a

930
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,960
kind of simple minded person with not much going on,

931
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:11,800
and you know that that's pretty fucked up.

932
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:12,199
Speaker 2: Frankly.

933
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 5: I mean, like, I'm not saying he forced to do stuff,

934
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,840
but you know what I mean, I mean there that

935
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,800
that's not something that should be going on, and any

936
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,280
in any work environment, let alone in the quarters A

937
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:24,880
real power.

938
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: John Marmaduke with a seven seven seven seven dollars and

939
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seventy seven cents. Superchat says, good evening, with a salute

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for Americans, real Americans.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your mean thank.

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Speaker 1: You balero three nine three five dollars, super Chat says, LBJ,

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Jimmy Carter and Billy Clinton were all horrific scaloags.

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Speaker 4: Who are the next? I was? Was Jimmy Carter? Really is?

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I mean?

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Speaker 2: No, Carter.

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Speaker 5: Carter was a very decent guy and he he uh,

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he deserves a prop for a lot of things, from

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the fact that he's he took up for William Cally

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when nobody else would. Nixon did to be fair, and

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so did Wallace. But you know what I mean, uh

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presidential Directive fifty eight and fifty nine him uh standing

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up to the tribe. Yeah, no Carter. Uh. I don't

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think Carter was a good executive in absolute terms, obviously,

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but you know he was, Uh, he was a decent

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guy man, and yet he had balls or he counted.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do I do I do forget? Was that

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go ahead?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 5: I I don't see I I obviously with the Carter

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perspective on a lot of matters. But I mean, the guy,

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the guy's a lathe. The guy was a lay preacher,

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you know what you want. I don't think he ever

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should have been in the ole office, Okay, but he

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wasn't some millon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people forget how much of a rebuke to these

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establishment Jimmy Carter was and just how much that was.

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That was a conscious choice on behalf of voters. Like

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he really is the consummate outsider, and even a lot

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of the stuff that he wants to get passed in

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Congress and it doesn't pass is because he's an outsider

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and because, you know, frankly from I think you can

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debate why. But he antagonizes these like you know, old

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political you know, sort of like bloodsuckers, because he's just

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that kind of a guy. He actually believes this stuff,

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and so he says what he thinks about this stuff,

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and that obviously steps on a lot of toes in Washington.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, But also obviously I'm I'm probably narrowly

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focused on strategic matters in analyzing the history here, but

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I mean Carter really did he realized that Strategic Air

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Command having effectively divested the civilian executive of article to

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authority to render decision on warren peace questions, and then

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to manage the role of commander in chief if and

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when God forbid nuclear war arrived. He realized that couldn't stand,

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and the strategic air commanded incredible power. I don't think

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people realize that, you know, And that took real balls

987
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and survivability a government, that entire program, that entire infrastructure

988
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that wasn't really fully realized until probably eighty seven, eighty six,

989
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eighty seven. That was all Carter, the Rima, the Reagan

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build up, and the revolution of military affairs era that

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was initiated by Carter. Frankly and uh, I mean, I live.

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The list goes on, but yeah, I will. I will

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die on that perbial Hill.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let me finish his super chat. Oh.

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Speaker 1: He also mentioned LBJ H. There are some stories about LBJ.

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The one I'll forgive him for is like apparently he

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would take he'd be taking a crap in the Oval

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office while he was talking to the press. He'd have

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the door open, and I mean, that's what the press deserve.

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So you know, I'll give a pass on that one.

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Speaker 5: No, Johnson was a bad guy. I mean it goes

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out saying and he Johnson is lung. The real question

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I would have asked, uh, I mean it was a

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lady bird, a good wife considering her husband. He was

1005
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even in Washington circles he was notorious for stepping out

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on her.

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Speaker 2: But that's the whole thing, you know, Uh, crude as.

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Speaker 5: LBJ was, Uh, and and kind of gross and a

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moral as he was. You know, you never would have

1010
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caught LBG like whipping his dick out in the during

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the day the old office and lestening some interurn like

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then there would have happened because nobody does that, you know.

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And I think that's that that warrant mentioned when Clintonian

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apologists now they claim like all men do that or well,

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01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,920
in Washington, you know, all presidents cheat on their wives.

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01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,679
We're not talking about cheating on your wife, which you

1017
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:32,039
shouldn't be doing anyway, but we're talking about something totally different.

1018
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Speaker 1: Fritz Imperio with a three dollars super chat, just wanted

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to say God bless you guys.

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Speaker 4: Remember we're on the side of the righteous.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely Amen, ex comber ten dollars super chat.

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Speaker 4: A salute three Americans.

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Speaker 1: Christopher Burke's four fifty eight five dollars super Chat don't

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think I'm gonna tip my congressman this year, Americans. Super

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Chat of the Night ske bum. No, well, let's see

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,840
Don Browning gave matching up with Don Browning here ski

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bum two twenty fifty dollars. Super Chat says we are

1028
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,960
going to win. Salute the OGC.

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01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,559
Speaker 2: Boy. Howdy Americans.

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Speaker 1: Imagine my lack of shekels one of the best names

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we have where city Break We're a city breakdancer man

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missing him. Imagine my lack of shekel It's for ten dollars.

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I was younger when this all went down, but even

1034
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then I thought it was interesting.

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Speaker 4: Lewinsky didn't wash that dress. That was some good planning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was well.

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Speaker 5: I think she that that bizarre and grotesque will to

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be slended strip. Who uh is this? What a vile creature?

1039
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And she looked like she what John Goodman and dre

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or something. But the real I mean, she was a

1041
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:10,360
totally irrelevant personage. But the tapes of low Monica Lewinsky

1042
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talking to Linda Tripp, she was genuinely afraid for her safety,

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I believe, and I think when it Yeah, I mean

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it's weird on the one hand, but kind of putting

1045
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together Emmett Terrell back when the spectator actually had some credibility.

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His take on it was that she was genuinely afraid

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for her physical safety and what the Clinton organization was

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01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:45,519
gonna do to her when this broke, and uh, she

1049
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:55,320
decided to preserve the evidence of the encounter. Yeah, basically

1050
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as as a security mechanism. You know, like, hey, you know,

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if I get disappeared or if I get Vince fostered,

1052
01:07:06,199 --> 01:07:12,440
you know, I've got the President's DNA on my clothing,

1053
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,840
you know, and that's gonna come out, you know, so

1054
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:24,719
tread lightly in how you deal with me and trying

1055
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:31,800
to enforce my silence. I think that's probably true. Was

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01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,239
that her original intent? I mean maybe it was. I mean,

1057
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:42,239
maybe it was some creepy a desire to retain a souvenirs.

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It's pretty gross, but yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Seasider with a ten dollars super chat. He has a

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salute with three sevens in it. That's very nice. Pete

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Budapest for five dollars super chat. Talk a bit more

1062
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,719
about Hillary going to New York to run for Senate.

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01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,800
Is there literally nothing more to that than Hillary being

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just a weirdo.

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Speaker 5: She's a stupid cut and she's just like she's like

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01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:19,039
this trashy striver, you know. So it's all.

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01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: The important people are in Manhantan.

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01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 5: You know, and she's just like she's like this like dumpy,

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01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,039
stupid cunt and.

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01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,159
Speaker 2: She's brain dead. So instead of.

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Speaker 5: You know, her whole her whole career trajectory, like she's

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not even smart, you know, like she's a dummy. She's

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01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:39,680
like ugly, she's immoral, she's like got no manners, she's stupid,

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01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:43,600
totally like worthless human being. You know, she's fucking chump.

1075
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:47,439
But uh, you know, her whole like basically her whole

1076
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,399
career path is like marrying this rapo who wanted a

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,039
mommy and then following him around for the next fifty years. So,

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I mean, she's got no sense for anything. And plus

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she she was literally j Hillary Clinton is the most

1080
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,760
hated political figure of the last century other than probably OBJ,

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you know, and uh so one of the so admittedly,

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uh New York is one of the only places where

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01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:20,199
she could find uh some kind of funny constituency. I mean,

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01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,039
now that that matters, you know, like it's not like

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01:09:22,039 --> 01:09:25,319
there's real elections in this country, and you've got you've

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01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:29,279
got like a lot of these congress parasites who who

1087
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:33,880
it's impossible to unsee, have literally like single digit approval rating.

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But uh, you know, she she doesn't know what the

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fuck she's doing.

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Speaker 2: So instead of.

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Speaker 5: Instead of uh, you know, trying to conquer some up

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and coming jurisdiction in the Southwest or whatever, she decided

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to go to New York to pretend to be one

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of the like the important people, you know, because she's

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a retard.

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Speaker 2: I think it's that simple.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she really, she really does have this

1098
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bizarre like wanting to ape the Eastern establishment that completely

1099
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doesn't exist by this era.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: Seawan's feed and snead twenty dollars, super chat, Thomas, any

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plans coming back to Philly.

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01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,520
Speaker 4: I was out of town when you came through.

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01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:21,520
Speaker 2: Now Philly was dope, man.

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01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:26,199
Speaker 5: And like I said, I when you disembarked the Greyhound,

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01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:29,520
you they literally stop right by that World War One

1107
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,600
memorial and are just like, get the fuck out. So

1108
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I this is like eight in the morning, so I

1109
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:41,640
mean even way to Fishtown and because the bars there

1110
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,159
a bunch of guys who, uh, you know, work overnight.

1111
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:48,520
You know they're getting off work at like seven in

1112
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the morning. So the bars open like brighton, so under

1113
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,520
this bar and I got some delicious eggs and bacon

1114
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,640
and stuff. And then I just like chilled there and

1115
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,039
like I shouted out where I was at, so like

1116
01:10:59,119 --> 01:11:02,680
the fishtown Uh Cadre like showed up and we got

1117
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:03,840
kind of shit faced.

1118
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,359
Speaker 2: But it was a It was a blast. Philly is

1119
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:09,359
a great town, man. I had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: I'm not eminently returning to Philly, but I do, uh,

1121
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:17,760
I do want to. I do over the East Coast

1122
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,039
and visit, including New York City, and I think New

1123
01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:20,960
York City is awesome.

1124
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:21,199
Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 5: Like I just to be clear, because I didn't know

1126
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:25,960
what I want to think, I was like throwing shade

1127
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,680
on their local. I love New York man, but no,

1128
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:37,640
I'll I'll sometime sometime in the next year and yeah,

1129
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,000
I'll shout it out.

1130
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Speaker 1: Blerro three nine three and other super chat fight dollars

1131
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,640
excellent commentary on my previous super chat. Thank you for

1132
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,840
thinking it through. Johnson and Clinton sucked balls.

1133
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I agree.

1134
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 1: People would have passed fight out of super chat. Did

1135
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,000
the Clinton team essentially create Putin and the modern Russia

1136
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:05,319
regime with their combination of maliciousness and incompetence.

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Speaker 5: I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah. The first color revolution

1138
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was what was it was the Yelson Revolution. The thing

1139
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one of the one of the illiterate things about the

1140
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way people talk about Vlamir Putin traditionally KGB and to olegity,

1141
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:30,159
gree g r U, they were fairly apolitical, you know,

1142
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:35,840
as and that's that's an interesting phenomenon, you know, but

1143
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,800
that's that's one of the reasons they were so effective

1144
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,039
because I believe they didn't have blinders on, you know,

1145
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and I I and drop off as the most effective

1146
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:50,159
man that system produced other than Stalin, and you know,

1147
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he he came up through KGB. So I think regardless, uh,

1148
01:12:57,319 --> 01:13:00,520
there would have been some there were have been some

1149
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:07,439
element from the security app from the Soviet security apparatus

1150
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,760
that would have taken the reins, you know.

1151
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 2: And interestingly in Romania, in Romania is an.

1152
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,520
Speaker 5: Incredibly troubled country in society, which which is a tragedy

1153
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,079
because Romanians are a great people and a great nation.

1154
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,199
But it wasn't a bunch of it wasn't a bunch

1155
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:32,800
of sorrows incorporated pro democracy protesters who whacked c. Sescu

1156
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,640
and his and his wife. It was the Securitate and

1157
01:13:37,119 --> 01:13:41,479
they they took over the country, and they've been anything

1158
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:47,479
but a corrective patriotic element, unfortunately. But that that was

1159
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:52,439
a tendency in East Bloc states. There was that was

1160
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,199
that was a repository of real power in a way

1161
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:59,000
it's not in America. You know, like if things uh,

1162
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:01,680
if there was some sort of caris drapic structural crisis

1163
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,600
in America, the FBI wouldn't take over. That's ridiculous, you know.

1164
01:14:07,159 --> 01:14:12,760
But uh so I think that even uh, even if

1165
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:18,359
the Bush Baker Gorgo concord head endured, I think they're

1166
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:23,039
probably there would have been an outside role played by

1167
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:26,920
people like Putin and and some of these uh and

1168
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:32,159
drop of proteges. But yeah, I you know, to be

1169
01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:36,199
clear too, there people aren't gonna like who replaces lander Putin.

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The guy's a moderate liberal and he's basically the only

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reason why there's not whether why there hasn't been a.

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Speaker 3: A h.

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Speaker 2: A truly hostile element in the Kremlin.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's it's bizarre and it goes to show

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you how Zion is always overreach, you know they I mean,

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it's the same thing with that ran too, Like though,

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like the Iranian government right now was this secular liberal government.

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Speaker 2: Then what are designs do? They shrieked that it's a

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bunch of molas. They're gonna kill us.

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Speaker 5: You know, and then you get like Putin is, like

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you know, in the Russian situation, he's essentially got an

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endless tolerance for provocation. So people declare that he's an

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evil man man for responding when NATO deploys tuned to

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kilometers from Moscow.

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Speaker 2: You know, like it.

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Speaker 5: These people are are positively delusible. So yeah, that was

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probably a bit rambly, but yes, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Got a couple of super chats here that run right

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into each other. And Rico Palazzo for twenty dollars says

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the lie can't last forever. I've heard that somewhere before

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the I'm sorry, Ben Balero three ninety three says, with

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a super chat for five dollars says, don't sell that's

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Jay Burden.

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Speaker 2: Beva geys the.

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Speaker 1: Voles persona. What may be the funniest super chat of

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the night. Five dollars. Thanks for the cigar stream, gents,

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oh Man and the final super chat of the evening,

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Pete Budapest, says Jodah Goldberg's mom was instrumental in the

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Clinton sting. VEA Linda Tripp just throwing that out there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure you're right. If you know,

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that wouldn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, I think I think we're done.

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Make this a little shorter than normal. Give Thomas a

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chance to do your plugs, got Thomas.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can find me on you can find me

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on my website. It's Thomas seven seven seven dot com

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number seven seven seven seven dot com.

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Speaker 2: I'm on substack.

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Speaker 5: That's for a lot of the magic happens and what

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I do, as it were, it's for my I got

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a couple of pods going there and all kinds of

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other happy fun stuff. It's real Thomas seven seven seven

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dot substack dot com and from there you can pretty

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much find everything I do. I didn't mean to fuck

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with the program man and make this shorter than it's.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to be.

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Speaker 4: No, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a one subject show, so it's

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going to go as long as it.

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Speaker 5: Goes okay, cool, Yeah, yeah, I want to make sure

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that we answered all the super chance too. Just like

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I said, I got a long as day tomorrow and

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like forgive me for being a forgive me for being

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an old fagot, but like I my energy levels have

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been great lately.

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Speaker 1: So but no problem. Let's let's let them. Let's let

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Spader do his, uh do his, and we'll get out

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of here. You got anything to plug, mister Spader, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Just say, check out the Old Glory Clubs substack. That's

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where I am doing any of the writing or podcasting

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that I still do. And even when it's not me,

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which it typically is not, the OGC substack has a

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lot of great content for you to check out.

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Speaker 1: Alrighty, well, I will sign off for our president Redhawk,

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and hopefully he'll be back next week, and if not,

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I'll be right back here trying to hold it down.

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Thank you everybody for stopping by, and well, I can't

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last forever. When I pass on my good jeens to

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my sons, they're going to join the Old Glory Club