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of anniversary and in quotes of the impeachment charges against
William Jefferson Clinton being dismissed, and any of us who
are old enough to remember that, which is me and
Thomas remembers how much fun that was and how how
much of a spectacle that was. So I'm gonna just
just ask Thomas to jump in and say when you
do you remember when when the these the indictment came down,
and what did you think?
Speaker 5: Well, course, you know, I was, I mean I was.
I was an adult, and I was actively engaged in
political life, you know, and I but Clinton's administration was
a disaster of this country. You were still paying for
it in concrete ways.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The issue with Clinton that it wasn't something like trunk
derangement syndrome, where he was just sort of this symbolic
psychological figurehead that people directed their hostility towards, you know,
based on kind of a morphous ill will towards the regime.
He was a He was a genuinely evil person and
at a critical juncture in the international situation, he completely
destroyed what the foundation that had been laid for a
lasting peace with the Russian Federation and you know, stability
moving forward in Europe and Asia first and foremost the
impeachment thing.
Speaker 2: What trouble me about it then? And now?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean First of all, there was this whole
sy op or people pretended and the the infotainment adult
buddy politic accepted this, that this idea that Bill Quinton
was being in keys for for for you know, moral turpitude,
because the guy's a sex addict and he's carrying on
in deviant ways in the Oval office and make a mistake,
there's something really wrong with you. This is a middle
aged man and he literally can't keep his penis in
his pants, you know, during during the work day. I
remember at the time all these crazy boomers, like literally
mentally ill people saying, well, oh men are like that. Yeah,
like I just go to work and pull my dick out,
you know, I mean like that that that's mental illness
is well as as well as obviously, I mean, somebody
who's that out of control? I mean, what what else?
What else is he doing in his in his private life?
You know that that's that that's that, that's that's simian behavior.
But what he was impegd for was perjury. And I
remember at the time, you know, and nothing, however you
feel about Ken Starr, who I mean, he's he's deceased now,
I I I had nothing nice to say about ken
Star that are now and I think the Office of
the Independent Council, just on its own terms was was
not a good thing. I'll get to know what I
mean by that in a minute. But you know, perjury
is not some petty misdemeanor. If you can make perjury,
you go to prison. So do why so does everybody else? Okay,
it's it's it's a serious matter, okay. I mean, there's
a reason why we placed witnesses under roll this, you know,
in in courts of law or you know, in the
course of of of of depositions or anywhere sworn testimony
is taken. It's not just because we want to stand
on ceremony and and and it's a good idea for
people to be honest.
Speaker 2: It's because lying under oath is a serious crime. Okay.
Speaker 5: And then the president doesn't it isn't exempt from it
because he's the president, you know.
Speaker 2: So it what it what.
Speaker 5: It became clear that he quite literally perjured himself in
the course of issuing sworn testimony.
Speaker 2: He had to be impeached.
Speaker 5: Otherwise you're essentially endorsing lawless and as and you're saying
the president can lie about whatever he wants, and to
be clear, to Clinton's defenders, they tried to they tried
to affect a bait and switch and suggest, well, you know,
the president and his Article two role, he can't always
be honest. You know what about exigen you know, uh,
circumstances relating to national security, That's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about perjury and a u you know, in
a lawsuit that had nothing to do with the president's role,
and as as you know, as an article to executive
or anything that touched on concerned policies sensitive or otherwise,
and and and certainly nothing that touched and concerned national security.
So I mean, that was that was that was grotesque.
The way people talked about it, and the entire the
kind of smarminess, the way the entire regime media apparatus
approached Clinton and all of his defenders was really disgusting.
And you know, I remember at the time because for
people my age and older, it was jarring because you know,
like I was shouting out the other day on social media,
it's not like any had any illusions about you know,
the previous administrations or something, but these were serious peace people,
you know, So then just very abruptly, we got this
literal clown, this white trash piece of shit, who it
kind of proudly flaunts the fact he has absolutely no
ethics whatsoever. He's utilizing the office uh as a sort
of platform for gross abuses of power and criminality. He's
such a deviant he literally can't control himself during the
work day, you know. And when you point this out,
the refrain was we got to get with the times.
It was surreal, you know. And and of course these
are the same people today who find it trembling rages
about Trump violating the dignity of the office. You know,
it's it's incredible. It's it's like these people, Uh, it's
like it's like these people have been senile their entire
lives or something.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Oh no, you no, please do ahead.
Speaker 3: Well it's interesting too. This is the advent of the
moral majority this particular period. And yeah, plenty of presidents
previously have been sex pests or have committed adultery. But
there was a great deal to which the much of
the country didn't know about this, or maybe not even
much of Washington knew about this. The thing that was
sort of unique about Clinton is that it's just played
all over the news for everyone to see. You know,
mothers are being forced to explain these terms long before
they would want to have to explain to their children,
these like bizarre gross acts that he's being accused of
and maybe guilty of. And that's even aside all the
corruption stuff. There's just this great deal of essentially a
tabloid president just being blasted across the ether. And yeah,
the end of the Cold War plays into this as well.
There's just this great deal of of a loss of
innocence of this era.
Speaker 5: Well, the problem too, I mean the issue was also
the issue wasn't that, oh, the president's engaged in infidelity
or you know, he's got this kind of steady personal life.
You know, we're not talking about LBJ compulsively, you know,
visiting call girls or something. We're talking about a guy
who has developed a reputation for not being able to
keep his hands off of female staffers. He saw out
of control. He's literally taking his dick out in the
Oval office and people are walking in and out of
him engaged in these kinds of behaviors. This guy's a
fucking animal. He's some kind of out of control monkey.
I mean that that's the issue, you know, It's it's
sort of the different from a guy who you know,
after working hours or whatever. You know, maybe he maybe
he dolgs a little too much in Scotch or whatever.
And a guy who first thing in the morning starts
guzzling vodka and shows up the office utterly shiit house
and screaming at people. I mean, like, this is not
this is not civilized human behavior. We can't have people
carrying on like that. I mean said I rememberything else
about him and trying to pass this off, to pass
off his normal, like, oh, all men are like that.
I don't know a single middle aged man, I mean,
and I think I'm pretty worldly. I mean, admittedly I'm
pretty discriminating, and who'll associate with. I don't know a
single middle aged man who, in the middle of the
work day I pulls his dick out and engages in
gross sexual activity in the office.
Speaker 2: Openly. I've never met someone who does that, you know.
Speaker 5: And like I I was in my twenties when the
Clinton scandal is going on, and I'd raise the people.
I don't know any I don't even know any scumbags.
I know who do that, you know, how this is
what men do. It's like you want, you want crack.
But that was there, that was their alibi. And you know,
I mean that was just that was just the least
of it. I mean, like I said, uh, we're still
paying for the for the crimes of the Clint administration.
It was a disaster for this country. He was a
disaster for the world.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: But to be clear too, you know, people have this
idea as well. I think even today even people who
don't who don't have a favorable favorable view of the
of the former president that oh well, this was the
pretext to impeach Clinton.
Speaker 2: Again, No, you can't. Perjury is not nothing.
Speaker 5: The president can't just willing nilly, you know, commit felonies
because he feels like it.
Speaker 2: And it's inconvenient to be availed to.
Speaker 5: Penal jeopardy like the rest of us when he when
he opts to flavoredly violate the law. And I don't
know why people can't get their mind around that. And
it's just also it exhibits contempt for process. I mean
one of the things, uh, you know, there's that famous
Nixon sound bite. I mean people pull it out a
context and try and employ it for punitive reasons to
demonstrate Nixon's for the hypocrisy or whatever. I mean, that's
that's obviously ridiculous. But you know, his his above the
law speech that uh, that sounded like Steven at the
start of that stupid Steven Sigall movie Above the Law,
where he's like, you know, no man's above the law,
no man's below the law. He was saying in the
context of you know, you don't you don't have a past,
uh excusing you from from from jeopardy under the law
just because you're the president, or just because you're you've
got some kind of tenure in Washington or or something.
Speaker 2: You know, and that's true. It's like nobody can explain
to me why.
Speaker 5: You know, it goes out saying that private citizen goes
to prison if he commits perjury. But well, in Bill
Clinton's case, you're just picking on him, you know, Like
so Bill Clinton, he just says carte blanche and cannet
felonies when he feels like it. You know, I mean,
I that disturb me. But to be clear, I and
and and the the waters are muddied too, because something
that is a problem in this country. And this even
precedes Nixon. You know, it really it really started, uh,
it was it was really a response to the mood
Deal revolution, this idea that there's a quote imperial executive
that uh is always looming the potentiality of this. So
we've always got to keep the president in check, and
we've always got to monitor as activities otherwise we're at
risk of this of this uh, tyrannical overreach that that
that had a really catastrophic effect on on the constitution
of government. And that's one of the reasons why there's
this sort of tyranny of the judiciary that we've been
settled with, you know, at least since the Warrant Court,
because nature of boors a vacuum, particularly within power paradigms,
you know, So the Office Independent Council, I think it
left a lot of bad taste in a lot of
people's mouths that, Okay, this office with this, you know,
with with this, with this cop type in ken Starr,
and the office simply begins not by investigating wrongdoing or
investigating crimes or investigating corruption. It just basically monitors the
president and from the man goes outward looking for wrongdoing.
That's that's that's a gross abuse of process. And that's
not how we do things. You know, you don't if
if you're gonna look for dirt on somebody, whether he's
you know, whether he's a street sweeper, whether it's the
president of United States, or you're gonna find something, and
that's not that's not you do with that's not what
you deal with public corruption. And you know the government
of the United States, our system really does revolve around
the executive That's the way it's intended to function, not
just in you know, because the essence of sovereignty is
is power political decisionism. And that's that's literally coded into
Article two in expressly deleted authority. But also the president
obviously is the only nationally elected representative. You know, he
represents the American people and you know, as in as
a whole. And you know, it's been it's been very
very bad, this kind of diminishing of the office and
this uh, this this kind of exploitation of this of
this myth of you know, we got we gotta defend
against executive overreach.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Plus this never really happened other than by design, you know,
I mean I and which is uh, exempting the New
Deal revolution, because that those a totally different subject, you know.
I I I agree with John you his book on
executive power was really great, you know, whether I'm I'm
the first person to point out that the war between
the States could couldn't be rationalized on ethical or or
pragmatic political grounds.
Speaker 2: I mean, how could it?
Speaker 5: You know, you don't kill off half a million of
your own people to resolve a political crisis and everything
else aside historical outcomes notwithstanding, but Lincoln wasn't breaking the
law by suspending habeas corpus during a time of open
civil warfare. I mean, that's that's well within the parameters
of article to authority, you know. And there's this idea too,
I mean, one of the reasons why these I mean,
I mean, I've got mixed feelings about Massy because on
the one end, sometimes I think he takes sometimes I
think he takes a principal stand, although anybody is truly
principal wouldn't involve himself with the government. But you know,
he's one of these guys like Ron Paul. He's got
this fetish for procedures, and he he suggests these asenine
things such as the president, it's illegal for him to
act in the expressly delegated commander in chief role unless
he procures a declaration of war from Congress. I mean,
this is this is asenine for all kinds of reasons,
you know, And uh, I think some of that's faded.
And one of the things I hold against Trump is
that Trump actually had a tremendous mandate.
Speaker 2: That he squandered. You know, I don't I don't think
he has the I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's got the cojones or of the
intellect to be a real executive at that base.
Speaker 2: Is a media guy, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean it's time that I don't think he's a
principal individual either, But you know, I don't. I don't
think he's got the chops for it. But the fact
of the matter is, like the Trump's mandate that he
did have and that he subsequently squandered, that came from
the man himself. I mean, the body politic were you know,
they weren't voting for a set of policy initiatives. I mean,
on the one hand, yeah, there was a lot of
outrage with immigration crisis and other things, but they were
conferring that mandate on Trump, not on the office.
Speaker 2: You know. So there is a sort of.
Speaker 5: Caesarism, a sort of soft Caesarism that has made.
Speaker 2: Something of a return.
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, he could have done a lot
of good in relative terms, you know, with with I
don't I mean I I in my opinion, I this
system isn't salvagable.
Speaker 2: And that's not just going the my own ideological prejudices
or what have you.
Speaker 5: It's the structure of the federal regime is obsolete as
long as the twentieth century. But that's I mean that
that's only the issue with Clinton, and it's also the
you know, the uh him destroy him deliberately. I mean,
Clinton was the first neo coon too. I mean that's
that's a lot of people forget that or they don't
understand that fully, you know, him deciding that we're gonna
pivot to a policy of aiming to destroy the Russian
Federation as not just as a sovereign polity, but the
Russians as a people and as a discreete you know,
cultural form. Historically.
Speaker 1: Thomas gonna ask you a question, Yeah, when you say
it's the first neo khon, would that be would there
be evidence in and you can correct me if my
numbers are wrong on this. I think before from World
War Two to nineteen ninety two, the military had been
deployed by the president eight times. In eight years of Clinton,
it was deployed forty four different on forty four different
occasions for policing and all sorts of things he was
trying to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that that that, I'm sure that figures correct.
What's also too, something something really strange happened.
Speaker 2: Excuse me. In hindsight, this was entirely predictable. But the.
Speaker 5: You know, the one of the reasons why, well, there
was this whole Pentagon purge where essentially these holdovers from
the Cold War, you know, and uh that Kadria general
officers that were so impressive in the in the Gulf War,
those guys were those guys were cashered out and they
were replaced by these bizarre you know, uniform fetishists and
and and complete chumps and you know, bizarre mediocrates. Because
I mean, the Dependagon put itself out of business, you know,
it's uh so what you were left with was kind
of the military equivalent of of of Fauci, you know.
They it became this massive apparatus in search of a
raizone detra. So on the one hand, you had the
hijiacking of policy, you know, by these people who for
ethno sectarian reasons wanted to annihilate the Russian Federation and
wage for anti perpetual and perennial war and dar al Islam.
Speaker 2: But then you.
Speaker 5: Also you had this massive bloated apparatus that had become
totally redundant, and they were desperate to uh you know,
rent seekers and parasites that they are.
Speaker 2: They were desperate to.
Speaker 5: Find a mission orientation and that would rationalize this this
kind of massive.
Speaker 2: Uh war machine.
Speaker 5: So it became, oh, well, we're the you know, we're
our role is doing force the social engineering regime in
planetary capacities by violence.
Speaker 2: You know, I remember.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: One of the most bizarre, sinister people in Living memories,
Wesley Clark. He was this He was this crazy gew liberal.
I was, yeah, he's insane. Yeah, it was this insane
liberal who literally come out and say that it's unacceptable
for quote ethnically homogenous states to exist in Europe. So
he was the military essentially to the to uh batter
people into submission who try and assert a right ethnic homogeneity.
I mean, this is this is insane, you know, the
uh And like I said, in nineteen ninety nine, I
went to this thing, the NATO Secretary General I think
is the official title. He was this guy named George Robertson,
this new labor piece of shit. Guy was like obviously drunk.
He was like this drunk slob, like Scottish guy with
visibly rotten teeth and he's like chuckling about how he's like,
you know, the the night I was going to get well,
but they it was forever. The fuck is wrong with you?
You know, the uh, the humors of these people. Uh,
it was like the erotic giddiness of an arsonist or something.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I I was, I was shocked by it. I mean
I shouldn't have been, but I was a young man,
you know. And uh so, yeah, that was I mean,
that was that was kind of the perfect storm of
uh of factors on the foreign policy and Warren peace
side of things, you know. And then of course Clinton
repealed Glass Stiegel and by executive order he basically people
blame the Community Reinvestment Act is laying the foundation for
all these toxic financial instruments that you know, came to
prop up the uh the you know, the the kind
of new way of doing business and the financial side.
And Clinton did utilize these kinds of long dormant statues
like the Community Reinvestment Act as a rationale. But he
basically by executive order made this stuff happen, you know.
And that's that's when that's when uh what this is
alsough too, When when when the American left kind of
ceased to exist. You know, people talk a lot about how,
you know, oh, the Republicans sold out.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the point all the.
Speaker 5: Time, there there was no right wing after ninety forty
five and even previously. I mean, like we talked about
the other day, like Pete and I did you know
really in in in in America, the right wing went
down in ancient sixty five. But there was a constellation
of resistance elements who who came to contitute the old
right as it were. But they they they were a
diverse lot. But you know, the the the the the
appearance of of of partisan diversity just evaporated. It was
abolished in any real sense, you know, because the because
the Democrats, they abandoned any pretext of representing organized labor
you know, Clinton was go, go go on NAFTA, implementing
NAFTA on the w t O, on Gatt and everything else,
you know, And and he married the he married the
the d n C to Wall Street, you know. And
if the if if the Democrats platform isn't married big labor,
like what like what is it?
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: It uh, yeah, there's if I may a little bit,
it's worth it's worth pointing out that both Carter and
Reagan are really outsiders. They don't appeared this way so
much to us now, but we're really outsiders to the
existing political like party apparatus as it exists. They're both
populists of a sort. And Reagan's victory, really it is
a shock to the system in a way that even
Carter's victory isn't. And Reagan's coalition is extremely successful. And
the reason that Bill Clinton is ultimately successful is that
he's able to take the components of the Reagan coalition,
specifically the the deregulation right the it's not you know,
Reagan himself is not exactly super hostile to organize labor,
although he's certainly not as friendly to it as others
of the time. But to take this much more like
market oriented, We're gonna cut taxes, We're gonna make America
you know, less bloated, that sort of thing, you know,
slash and all that. That's the thing that Bill Clinton
is actually able to take away from the Reagan coalition
and specifically from Bush. From Bush Bush forty one h
he promises, yeah, he promises no new taxes, and then
when he's forced to raise taxes in spite of his promise,
this is something that Clinton hammers him on. And yeah,
as maybe trite as it seems like, this is pretty
significant in terms of what swings the ninety two election
in Clinton's favor. And so by by the time Clinton
is president, he has this unique ability like he's running
essentially on a partial Reagan coalition. He's just shaved off
the offensive parts, all the you know, the Pat Buchannan
types and the cold warriors, they're all gone.
Speaker 5: But he also, yeah, people forget too, Bill Clinton. He
presided over the execution of more men than any other
governor of Arkansas history. And he'd swagger. He'd see he's
swagger about that, and he'd be like, you know, yeah,
I've I've like executed more men than you know, doing
the cute or something like he was mister law and order,
I'm tough on crime. You know, I'm mister tough on crime.
The blue Dog Democrat as he used to be called. Yeah,
I you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 5: So it's predictable, but plus two to be fair, boys
forty one he never really seemed comfortable in the campaign
seat as it were.
Speaker 2: And obviously in eighty eight he you know, he.
Speaker 5: Docucus wasn't just a poluka like it was a fake candidacy,
you know, like nobody it was. It was cafe. It
was bullshit, you know. So he hadn't really had the
campaign before. He wasn't comfortable in the role. Clinton was
on a permanent campaign, that's all he did. In contrast,
you had the entire media apparatus working for him, you know,
on behalf of his candidacy.
Speaker 2: And I mean, Ross Perro is a huge spoiler.
Speaker 5: I know some people claim otherwise, but they don't know
what the fuck they're talking about.
Speaker 2: Pro is a spoiler. An order of wall is arguably
even more so.
Speaker 5: And uh that that the reel the Bush forty one
campaign also were rid a bona fide recession, you know,
and people don't. That's a fascinating subject there because there
aren't real recessions anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 5: And that doesn't mean that the American's immune to financial
crisis moving forward to structural crisis. But UH something you know,
something like the crash of eighty seven. It is no
longer possible the UH you know, it's been information awareness
to the UH up in real time, the ability to
manage aggregate data at truly global scale. That's precluded a
lot of UH that's basically rubberized the the financial system
against what traditionally are there our uncertainties that breed genuine crises,
but not. Going into the ninety two election, there was
like a bona fide recession underway and a lot a
lot of people were out of work. I mean, don't
get me wrong. A lot of people struggle these days,
believe me, I know that. And inflation is a real problem.
But there's not there's not. There's there's not it's some
like absurd amount of of there's not an absurd percentage
of working age people who can't find work and can't
access money today. This is not happening, Okay, but yeah,
I you know, it's but that's.
Speaker 2: That's when I mean.
Speaker 5: On the one hand, I I take exception when people
overstate the fact that well, well, you know, America became
a one party system after ninety two, because after ninety
forty five there there you know again like there wasn't
there wasn't an American right anymore after ninety forty five.
But at the same time, there was a partisan divide.
There was a real cleft between between mobilized interest, particularly
you know, labor and capital, but also relating a power
political affairs, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and yeah, you got what the New Dealers are like,
that coalition kind of splinters and the Southern populists, who
represent a pretty critical component of the New Deal they
they're kind of shoved out. And that's that's what Wallace
hails from. I mean, in many ways Wallace is the
consonant New Dealer. It just doesn't appear to us that
way because of some of the racial politics and the
way that he's remembered. And Carter, you know, does this
a little bit as well, though not to the same degree.
Speaker 5: Well, the well it's also too, I mean, the there
was the new politics, so I mean reg Nixon was
from California, so was Reagan, Carter and Clinton obviously you
know from the Carter from the Deep South. Clinton was
from Arkansas. You know that there was big agrib business, aerospace,
nasant and then not so nascent computing and information tech.
There was this revolt against uh, the East Coast establishments.
That's one of the ways I can tell, Like Clinton's
wife slash mommy, you know, Hillary is a fucking retard,
Like what was this stupid cunt dude, Like she's like
she she moved to New York because she's basically like
a wanna be social registered type. Because he's like this
dumb ass. Totally, I have to touch a boomer. It's like, Lady,
that guy you followed to wash it and got elected
because he's not some wanna be East Coast UH power broker.
Like the whole country revolted against that bullshit, you know.
I mean, plus two, there's this economic realities you know,
like I I talked to my dad about.
Speaker 2: This not long ago.
Speaker 5: You know, the DEGA, which power was truly concentrated on
the East Coast really until the seventies, like ninety sixties.
Really that like they can't they can't be overstated. You know,
even even Los Angeles, uh, or like Chicago, Zenith, you know,
it was like we had nothing compared to I mean,
Daily was a king maker and stuff, you know, and
you had uh Hollywood and real power you know, even
in uh even in the.
Speaker 2: Old studios system days.
Speaker 5: But like if you if you're talking about who decides
who rules America, I mean that that emanated from New York, man,
you know, New York and the New England, and that's
that's all that all changed.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean part of that is.
Speaker 5: For the reasons you said, But yeah, I I uh,
well it's also too I mean, I what I was
gonna say a mim ago that I kind of lost
my train of thought.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I there wasn't a real right in America after ninety
forty five, but there were there was a real there
was a real cleft between entrenched interests that were jockeying
the control of the executive like really all you I mean,
first of all, it makes no sense that, like in
twenty twenty six, that the Democrats call themselves the Democrats
and the Republicans brand themsels that way.
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, in.
Speaker 5: America, they aren't parties, and it's goofy people act like
there are like there is no Democrat party. What it
would be accurate as if the Democrats called themselves. I
mean that they're the ruling coalition and the Republicans, like
the people who run on the Republican ticket, they're the
official opposition, you know, and the official opposition is to
capture the White House periodically. But beyond that, their their
role is to is to be the is to be
the minority faction.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because Republicans are actually fairly good at
winning elections. Since nineteen forty five, they've won quite a
few of them. But the thing that sort of comes
doe that you realize is that every time a Republican
wins an election, with limited exceptions, they don't actually govern,
like the victory is actually winning the election, whereas when
the Democrat Party wins an election, they actually come in
and start governing the country. You know, it depends on
who it is or what factions it is. They're pushing
in a particular direction, they have priorities, whatever. But the
point being, like the architectures of the two parties totally different.
It's not to say Republicans don't win elections. They do,
but they they don't govern the country.
Speaker 5: I mean, because that's not your role as the official opposition,
you know, yeah, yeah, exactly. But it's also goovy too.
I mean, this isn't just a social media thing. I
hear people in real space talk this way, like not
to talk in Chicago because Chicago's kind of its own reality.
But uh like, especially on the road, you know, you'll
find these like Fox News types. They'll literally talk and
denerous about a cool Democrat Party, like there's some sort
of cadre party structure, uh you know, like uh like
shin Fein or something, or like the old Labor Party
of people who call themselves the Democrat Party and Pete
Dues or something and are are committed to this ideological program.
It's it's it's like what you're smoking crack like this.
I mean, I mean, obviously, like that's particularly stupid and
enfltainment coded. But the whole, the whole American system is
uh structured so to preclude parties. You know, everything's from
single member districts. You know, uh winner take all electoral
uh process. You know, you don't even if there was
a more open system. Uh, you wouldn't you wouldn't have
you wouldn't have parties in America like you do in Europe.
You know, like that that's just not the way the
country structure. There's not anything to work here.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: And uh, like I tell you all the time, I mean,
obviously I'd never run for office like I because that'd
be ridiculous and I never you know what I mean, Like, uh,
but uh, if I was going to I'd run as
a Democrat just because where I live. Like if I
if I ran on a Democrat ticket, where when I
suddenly become some like gay liberal or something like, you know,
like being a Democrat needs you register to run as
a Democrat and then that's what it says on the ballot,
what you know, beside your name, you know, like like
it's it's it's meaningless.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: That's One of the one of the only people in
my lifetime I've ever respected in Washington was James Webb.
You know, he wrote a really great book too, Fields
of Fire, about the Vietnam War from a grunts perspective.
But uh, you know he uh and he wrote an
interesting book too on on the Ulster Scotts in America,
which was a kind of pop history. But I appreciated
him shouting out the ulster trude. But he, I mean,
he he you know he was he ran as a Democrat.
Did they suddenly transform into some like big liberal like
I And like he made that point because Goofy is like,
you're you're, you're you know, you're basically consorting with the
enemy's think we were talking about like what what what
what What's a democrat? You know, Like he's, uh, he's like,
he's like a RAN's a Democrat precisely because I'm trying
to break people of this perception that you know, uh,
there there's some meaning to these signifiers, you know. And
I mean also beyond that, I mean, to your point,
he was trying to uh run something of an insurgent,
something of an insurgency campaign and get a white Southern
pocketist cadre into the ruling coalition. People didn't seem to
be really ready for that yet. I mean, Web was
an unusual guy, but he's another figure. He's not much
talked about. I think sort of laid the foundation in
psychological terms for Trump's ascendency.
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, yeah, he gets uh, he gets slaughtered
on the stage in twenty sixteen in the Democrat primary
when they all get asked like do black lives matter?
Or do all lives matter? And of course, you know,
all of them repeat the slogan ad nauseum and he goes, well,
you know, of course all lives matter, and it's like
that right answer. Yeah, yeah, it was one of those
just like it was so bizarre too, because you think
about a figure like Hillary Clinton, right, it's like, oh, yeah,
Hillary Clinton is a big believer in black lives matter,
given the the presidency of her husband and her own
political career, Like it's just ridiculous. But it's these sort
of like ad nauseum, you know, you got to repeat
the dogma of the parties, and that's that's sort of
like the interest groups in the Democrat Party that are
able to extract that from these candidates regardless in some
sense generally they get some good policy wins, but somewhat
regardless of the policy wins, there's this like you have
to repeat back to us the correct answer.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean it's uh yeah, because they're again
they're they're the ruling coalition and a.
Speaker 2: Lot of this is driven.
Speaker 5: Legacy media is part of that apparatus obviously, I mean,
I mean they are like in structural terms, you know,
and that's so these narratives are confabulated and devised within that,
uh with within uh the you know, legacy media space.
So conforming to that is uh a litmus test of
a sort web. But yeah, Web didn't wasn't really comfortable
in media space. He because he wasn't a media guy.
And uh, there's not to say that that's fatal to
uh a candidate. There's plenty of guys who can actually
lean into that oddest the examlike seem like like Andy
Warhol of Fantasy was kind of he actually was like
kind of a weird intro averb even though he had
all these like sexy girls around him and like famous
people and stuff wanted to chill with him. But he
one of the reasons he became this sort of scholar
and analyst of media is because like there was always
a camera being shoved in his face and he didn't
feel comfortable with that at all. But he leaned into
being uncomfortable with that, and like so he came off
as cool, like you can't do that, you know, uh,
you can make that work for you like, I think
this is fucked up and I creepy. I don't like this.
But hey, by the way, you know, Hillary Clinton's a
stupid content. She doesn't really think black lives matter. You know,
in fact, actually called like she called black man super predators.
You know, you can like you can like flip the
script easily if you actually you know, orly take the
gloves off, and and and and and go with it,
you know. I but obviously Web wasn't the man to
do that. But uh, but yeah, I uh it's but
again too, I mean, yeah, the only I don't want
to spend this off in a discussion uh conceptual and
symbolic psychology and media conditioning and things. But the degree
to which like people wouldn't even have any concept of
the ideological narrative of something like BLM, which itself is
a contrivant, it wasn't there inful team. And quite literally,
the entire way that they structure these moral paradigms that
supposed to be so invested in it comes from legacy media.
And it'd be like becoming emotionally invested in a video
game and then extrapolating that to you know, the way
you pattern your life and things.
Speaker 2: It's totally bizarre.
Speaker 5: You know, we've got to we've got to pretend to
care about these things that our growth mischaracterized on their
own terms, and that I have no experience of outside of,
you know, passively observing a stage managed and curated narrative
surrounding this thing. And then if this candidate doesn't correctly abide,
you know, his role within that narrative, you know, it
triggers its anger response in me, and then we all
partake in this sort of collective condemnation. It's really strange,
it's really primitive, you know. But that's that's one of
the reasons why. I mean, it's not the fact the
only way to win is to adopt a vanguardist posture
and having on strategic terms. I I continue to be
amazed at people who have like a big tense sensibility.
It's like you, it's like you really want to posh
the sensible center, and it's like, if you've fucking seen
what these people are about, or let's know what they say,
they're they're they're they're like legitimately insane, you know, and
they they they they can't be selfished. I mean, not
that Americans are particularly bad. I mean, maybe they are,
maybe they aren't. Depends where you fall and depends what
the criteria are. But I mean that's the way it
always is. You know, this idea that the body politic
is educable and in like broad stroke terms doesn't doesn't
make any sense.
Speaker 3: Well, it's what makes it so funny when you had
all these legacy and this I think Trump kind of
kicked this off in a couple certainly, the neuroticism of it,
of all these legacy media figures who want to, you know,
put on airs about how much the body politic. You know,
democracy dies in darkness.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, the.
Speaker 3: People are being hoodwinked, They're they're being led astray. We
used to have an honorable media, and now it's like terrible,
And it's like when you really dig into it the
way that like streamers are now, like I'm sure our
audience has maybe heard of some of the funny travails
of certain streamers in the last few weeks, it's like
that's actually much closer to the way it's kind of
always been. Like the media journalists, it's just that that's
how they are. But there's this sort of they want
to put on this show about like no, we're we're
above it all, but they're not. It's just it's been
like this, Well they're also there.
Speaker 2: These are like the worst people you can positively evage.
I mean, what'd he say?
Speaker 5: These the same These are the same people the claim
that you know Nixon was evil. We need you know,
we we we because demography dies in darkness. We need,
we need, we need, we need a bunch of secret
police type from the FBI, Washington bagman pimps. And it's
like this constellation of other like you know, totally immoral
career is to protect us from evil Nixon. It's like it, yeah,
I I need to I need to wopoh, like a
bunch of crazy zion Is billionaires who have contented for
human life, you know, some some bizarre fairy like Anderson Cooper,
who's uh, you know, living out this kind of synecure
because uh, that's all the Vanderbilt name as anymore. I
need these people to protect me from myself, I guess
you know. It's uh. I it's incredible people.
Speaker 3: Think like George Stephanopolis to tie this back into Clinton.
You know, George Stefanopolis is one of these uh kind
of like Clinton bagman, and after after Clinton is no
longer president, he gets this like prestige TV role where
he gets like a pointed a arbiter of fairness and
democracy in Washington. It's like this guy is just basically
a criminal in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred and I yeah, nobody can explained to
me why. Uh, like even if it was true, I mean,
even if even if people like myself, I mean, like
us were really evil people. And uh, even if you're
kind of even eve when you're kind of normy centric
and you don't you look a scance at outlaws and
you're some kind of believer in the system. It's like,
so your notion is that, like people like Hillary Clinton
are protecting us from bad people, and yeah, your pointing
these uh some pieces of it, like George Stephanopoliz, you know,
he he's got to be the gatekeeper otherwise he might
be led astray. It's like, it's like, what the hell's
wrong with you? I mean, like if anybody who thinks
that way is demented in the clinical sense. But I
think that that's uh, I mean one of the positive
Like I mean I've been saying from jump, you know, Trump.
The guy isn't important. It's what he represents and the
disruption that you know, the the Trump coalition or the
Populace swell represents, and you know, uh, Washington culture and
legacy media culture has become a punchline. Everybody's got contempt
for these people, and nobody looks at them as.
Speaker 2: People look at them the way.
Speaker 5: The you know, the the people in the Soviet Union
looked at apparatchiks and in the final years, you know that.
I mean, and be clear, I'm not I'm not saying
America is eminently gonna collapse in formal terms, but it
is coming to an end. I mean, this is gonna
be a long process. But you know, nobody these people
have no they have no moral credibility, and they're increasingly
just these out of touch they just out of touch
gr intocracy that or or yesterday's men. But yeah, that's uh,
I I gotta I got a long dat tomorrow. I'm
gonna bounce in a minute. But before I do, Uh,
is there anything else specifically you guys want to do
address with me?
Speaker 3: Should we go ahead? Sarpy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got we got a couple of super chats here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll stick around as long as possible for those.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, okay, cool, all right?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh three dollars says did I beat solid Snake? Also,
is Hillary a good wife for not divorcing slick Willie?
Speaker 5: No, because what she is is despite what people think,
these these pussy owning sex addicts are actually male lake
Like every every guy who actually Clinton does it base,
he's like something like he's a punk, you know. So
so piggy Clinton is a piggy. Clinton married his mommy,
you know, and her role is to be his mammy.
Like that's that's what it is. She doesn't care what
he does, she doesn't care what he puts his dick
because she's not as she's not his wife, she's his mammy.
Speaker 2: And that's fucking grows empathetic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I was thinking though, considering all
the stuff that Clinton did when he was in Arkansas,
the whole mena scandal, running the coke and everything. It
always seems like whenever they get somebody to get insinuated
in that, it's always a sex pest, a pervert, a scumbag,
a Jeffrey Epps seeing a Hunter Biden, that kind of
person it's almost like that that's the kind of person
they need to do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it is. That's why.
Speaker 5: You know in Uh, it's not a good film overall,
but there are there are aspects of it they are good.
You know, in The Good Shepherd, when the damon character
he's being cultivated by by m I five or whatever,
and there's that very gay like old school, uh, Intelligence
service guy and he realizes he's like he tells him like,
you know, right before, like immediately after the Vermacht assaults
poland he tells them in so many words like I
know they're gonna whack me because they know they can't
trust me because I'm queer basically, and then sure enough,
you know they do. And traditionally the intelligence game it
was a deal breaker if you had sexual problem. It's
not because everybody in the intelligence game with some puritanical homophobe.
It's because somebody can be compromised through sex. Whatever their
preference is is is a huge liability because they're a
little better passions. And if you subjugate reason to passion,
I mean, not only can you be bought, but your
entire in her life orbits around this corporeal compultent need compulsion,
you know, so that yeah, it's not accidental, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Don Browning. I think the one woman who watches
this show, she sends a fifty dollars Australian Okay, no,
we love doing here, supersticker and anthropomorphic video game controller
that throws a punch, does a kick and puts up
a V for victory fingers with super effective written around him. Yeah,
when you just look at it, it's really not that complicated,
but that does definitely describe it. Yeah, X Runner fifty
five says, fight all the super chat says, I remember
when the Democrats, the Party of Feminists and Believe all women,
were collectively calling Monica Lewinsky an opportunistic core.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, that's their whole that's their whole jive.
And these people, actually somebody made the point one of
the it wasn't It might have been Gorvit Dell, who
I actually, even as I age, I developed more respect
for Gorvett Dell. Frankly, buddy, Uh, give me the point
that he was speaking in terms of these like nineteen
sixties and seventies sexual liberationist types. Give the point that
these people are actually Puritans who hate sex. That's why
they've got this gross and clinical view of it. And
they don't understand modesty and things because they don't actually
understand sex and such as they do, they they've got
contempt for it. That's that that that was full on
full display with these freaks who love Clinton. It's like, okay,
so it's like your guy is literally a rapo and
uh and and and a deviant with the the sexual
sensibilities of a monkey. But if anyone dare criticize them,
you know, it's that whorror, that scarlet woman. You know,
how how how dare you criticize you know, the great
Piggy Clinton. It's uh like kya dissonance doesn't exist to
these people because they don't they they've got they've got
totally warped ideas about sex anyway, So it doesn't com
cute that that comes off as not just type of critical,
but naked lean coherent.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're right, mh.
Speaker 1: I know you remember this the news like CNN and
different news outlets, we're saying that, well, Monica Lewinsky was
stalking him. I'm like some Jewish broad is stalking the
president of the United States. What the fuck are you
talking about her?
Speaker 5: Well, the whole thing too, I mean was uh. I mean,
I'm not saying uh, I mean minicael Lewinsky was a
was a grown woman, a majority and you know, she
made her own decisions. I'm not saying she was a victim,
but I mean, frankly, she was just she was just
she was this homely.
Speaker 2: Fat girl.
Speaker 5: With uh you know who was got a who was
an intern, you know, fetching coffee. The fact, the I mean,
the fact she was even in contact with the president
was improper. But obviously she got cornered by this piggy
guy who is you know, basically was like whipping his
dick out.
Speaker 2: Is like, yes, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 5: I mean that if anybody's I mean, if anybody, if
you should feelquel easy about anything, I mean it's the
fact that obviously this this guy who was exploiting a
kind of simple minded person with not much going on,
and you know that that's pretty fucked up.
Speaker 2: Frankly.
Speaker 5: I mean, like, I'm not saying he forced to do stuff,
but you know what I mean, I mean there that
that's not something that should be going on, and any
in any work environment, let alone in the quarters A
real power.
Speaker 1: John Marmaduke with a seven seven seven seven dollars and
seventy seven cents. Superchat says, good evening, with a salute
for Americans, real Americans.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your mean thank.
Speaker 1: You balero three nine three five dollars, super Chat says, LBJ,
Jimmy Carter and Billy Clinton were all horrific scaloags.
Speaker 4: Who are the next? I was? Was Jimmy Carter? Really is?
I mean?
Speaker 2: No, Carter.
Speaker 5: Carter was a very decent guy and he he uh,
he deserves a prop for a lot of things, from
the fact that he's he took up for William Cally
when nobody else would. Nixon did to be fair, and
so did Wallace. But you know what I mean, uh
presidential Directive fifty eight and fifty nine him uh standing
up to the tribe. Yeah, no Carter. Uh. I don't
think Carter was a good executive in absolute terms, obviously,
but you know he was, Uh, he was a decent
guy man, and yet he had balls or he counted.
Speaker 2: I mean, do I do I do forget? Was that
go ahead?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: I I don't see I I obviously with the Carter
perspective on a lot of matters. But I mean, the guy,
the guy's a lathe. The guy was a lay preacher,
you know what you want. I don't think he ever
should have been in the ole office, Okay, but he
wasn't some millon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people forget how much of a rebuke to these
establishment Jimmy Carter was and just how much that was.
That was a conscious choice on behalf of voters. Like
he really is the consummate outsider, and even a lot
of the stuff that he wants to get passed in
Congress and it doesn't pass is because he's an outsider
and because, you know, frankly from I think you can
debate why. But he antagonizes these like you know, old
political you know, sort of like bloodsuckers, because he's just
that kind of a guy. He actually believes this stuff,
and so he says what he thinks about this stuff,
and that obviously steps on a lot of toes in Washington.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, But also obviously I'm I'm probably narrowly
focused on strategic matters in analyzing the history here, but
I mean Carter really did he realized that Strategic Air
Command having effectively divested the civilian executive of article to
authority to render decision on warren peace questions, and then
to manage the role of commander in chief if and
when God forbid nuclear war arrived. He realized that couldn't stand,
and the strategic air commanded incredible power. I don't think
people realize that, you know, And that took real balls
and survivability a government, that entire program, that entire infrastructure
that wasn't really fully realized until probably eighty seven, eighty six,
eighty seven. That was all Carter, the Rima, the Reagan
build up, and the revolution of military affairs era that
was initiated by Carter. Frankly and uh, I mean, I live.
The list goes on, but yeah, I will. I will
die on that perbial Hill.
Speaker 4: Okay, let me finish his super chat. Oh.
Speaker 1: He also mentioned LBJ H. There are some stories about LBJ.
The one I'll forgive him for is like apparently he
would take he'd be taking a crap in the Oval
office while he was talking to the press. He'd have
the door open, and I mean, that's what the press deserve.
So you know, I'll give a pass on that one.
Speaker 5: No, Johnson was a bad guy. I mean it goes
out saying and he Johnson is lung. The real question
I would have asked, uh, I mean it was a
lady bird, a good wife considering her husband. He was
even in Washington circles he was notorious for stepping out
on her.
Speaker 2: But that's the whole thing, you know, Uh, crude as.
Speaker 5: LBJ was, Uh, and and kind of gross and a
moral as he was. You know, you never would have
caught LBG like whipping his dick out in the during
the day the old office and lestening some interurn like
then there would have happened because nobody does that, you know.
And I think that's that that warrant mentioned when Clintonian
apologists now they claim like all men do that or well,
in Washington, you know, all presidents cheat on their wives.
We're not talking about cheating on your wife, which you
shouldn't be doing anyway, but we're talking about something totally different.
Speaker 1: Fritz Imperio with a three dollars super chat, just wanted
to say God bless you guys.
Speaker 4: Remember we're on the side of the righteous.
Speaker 1: Absolutely Amen, ex comber ten dollars super chat.
Speaker 4: A salute three Americans.
Speaker 1: Christopher Burke's four fifty eight five dollars super Chat don't
think I'm gonna tip my congressman this year, Americans. Super
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bum two twenty fifty dollars. Super Chat says we are
going to win. Salute the OGC.
Speaker 2: Boy. Howdy Americans.
Speaker 1: Imagine my lack of shekels one of the best names
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missing him. Imagine my lack of shekel It's for ten dollars.
I was younger when this all went down, but even
then I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 4: Lewinsky didn't wash that dress. That was some good planning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was well.
Speaker 5: I think she that that bizarre and grotesque will to
be slended strip. Who uh is this? What a vile creature?
And she looked like she what John Goodman and dre
or something. But the real I mean, she was a
totally irrelevant personage. But the tapes of low Monica Lewinsky
talking to Linda Tripp, she was genuinely afraid for her safety,
I believe, and I think when it Yeah, I mean
it's weird on the one hand, but kind of putting
together Emmett Terrell back when the spectator actually had some credibility.
His take on it was that she was genuinely afraid
for her physical safety and what the Clinton organization was
gonna do to her when this broke, and uh, she
decided to preserve the evidence of the encounter. Yeah, basically
as as a security mechanism. You know, like, hey, you know,
if I get disappeared or if I get Vince fostered,
you know, I've got the President's DNA on my clothing,
you know, and that's gonna come out, you know, so
tread lightly in how you deal with me and trying
to enforce my silence. I think that's probably true. Was
that her original intent? I mean maybe it was. I mean,
maybe it was some creepy a desire to retain a souvenirs.
It's pretty gross, but yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Seasider with a ten dollars super chat. He has a
salute with three sevens in it. That's very nice. Pete
Budapest for five dollars super chat. Talk a bit more
about Hillary going to New York to run for Senate.
Is there literally nothing more to that than Hillary being
just a weirdo.
Speaker 5: She's a stupid cut and she's just like she's like
this trashy striver, you know. So it's all.
Speaker 2: The important people are in Manhantan.
Speaker 5: You know, and she's just like she's like this like dumpy,
stupid cunt and.
Speaker 2: She's brain dead. So instead of.
Speaker 5: You know, her whole her whole career trajectory, like she's
not even smart, you know, like she's a dummy. She's
like ugly, she's immoral, she's like got no manners, she's stupid,
totally like worthless human being. You know, she's fucking chump.
But uh, you know, her whole like basically her whole
career path is like marrying this rapo who wanted a
mommy and then following him around for the next fifty years. So,
I mean, she's got no sense for anything. And plus
she she was literally j Hillary Clinton is the most
hated political figure of the last century other than probably OBJ,
you know, and uh so one of the so admittedly,
uh New York is one of the only places where
she could find uh some kind of funny constituency. I mean,
now that that matters, you know, like it's not like
there's real elections in this country, and you've got you've
got like a lot of these congress parasites who who
it's impossible to unsee, have literally like single digit approval rating.
But uh, you know, she she doesn't know what the
fuck she's doing.
Speaker 2: So instead of.
Speaker 5: Instead of uh, you know, trying to conquer some up
and coming jurisdiction in the Southwest or whatever, she decided
to go to New York to pretend to be one
of the like the important people, you know, because she's
a retard.
Speaker 2: I think it's that simple.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she really, she really does have this
bizarre like wanting to ape the Eastern establishment that completely
doesn't exist by this era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Seawan's feed and snead twenty dollars, super chat, Thomas, any
plans coming back to Philly.
Speaker 4: I was out of town when you came through.
Speaker 2: Now Philly was dope, man.
Speaker 5: And like I said, I when you disembarked the Greyhound,
you they literally stop right by that World War One
memorial and are just like, get the fuck out. So
I this is like eight in the morning, so I
mean even way to Fishtown and because the bars there
a bunch of guys who, uh, you know, work overnight.
You know they're getting off work at like seven in
the morning. So the bars open like brighton, so under
this bar and I got some delicious eggs and bacon
and stuff. And then I just like chilled there and
like I shouted out where I was at, so like
the fishtown Uh Cadre like showed up and we got
kind of shit faced.
Speaker 2: But it was a It was a blast. Philly is
a great town, man. I had a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: I'm not eminently returning to Philly, but I do, uh,
I do want to. I do over the East Coast
and visit, including New York City, and I think New
York City is awesome.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: Like I just to be clear, because I didn't know
what I want to think, I was like throwing shade
on their local. I love New York man, but no,
I'll I'll sometime sometime in the next year and yeah,
I'll shout it out.
Speaker 1: Blerro three nine three and other super chat fight dollars
excellent commentary on my previous super chat. Thank you for
thinking it through. Johnson and Clinton sucked balls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I agree.
Speaker 1: People would have passed fight out of super chat. Did
the Clinton team essentially create Putin and the modern Russia
regime with their combination of maliciousness and incompetence.
Speaker 5: I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah. The first color revolution
was what was it was the Yelson Revolution. The thing
one of the one of the illiterate things about the
way people talk about Vlamir Putin traditionally KGB and to olegity,
gree g r U, they were fairly apolitical, you know,
as and that's that's an interesting phenomenon, you know, but
that's that's one of the reasons they were so effective
because I believe they didn't have blinders on, you know,
and I I and drop off as the most effective
man that system produced other than Stalin, and you know,
he he came up through KGB. So I think regardless, uh,
there would have been some there were have been some
element from the security app from the Soviet security apparatus
that would have taken the reins, you know.
Speaker 2: And interestingly in Romania, in Romania is an.
Speaker 5: Incredibly troubled country in society, which which is a tragedy
because Romanians are a great people and a great nation.
But it wasn't a bunch of it wasn't a bunch
of sorrows incorporated pro democracy protesters who whacked c. Sescu
and his and his wife. It was the Securitate and
they they took over the country, and they've been anything
but a corrective patriotic element, unfortunately. But that that was
a tendency in East Bloc states. There was that was
that was a repository of real power in a way
it's not in America. You know, like if things uh,
if there was some sort of caris drapic structural crisis
in America, the FBI wouldn't take over. That's ridiculous, you know.
But uh so I think that even uh, even if
the Bush Baker Gorgo concord head endured, I think they're
probably there would have been an outside role played by
people like Putin and and some of these uh and
drop of proteges. But yeah, I you know, to be
clear too, there people aren't gonna like who replaces lander Putin.
The guy's a moderate liberal and he's basically the only
reason why there's not whether why there hasn't been a.
Speaker 3: A h.
Speaker 2: A truly hostile element in the Kremlin.
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's bizarre and it goes to show
you how Zion is always overreach, you know they I mean,
it's the same thing with that ran too, Like though,
like the Iranian government right now was this secular liberal government.
Speaker 2: Then what are designs do? They shrieked that it's a
bunch of molas. They're gonna kill us.
Speaker 5: You know, and then you get like Putin is, like
you know, in the Russian situation, he's essentially got an
endless tolerance for provocation. So people declare that he's an
evil man man for responding when NATO deploys tuned to
kilometers from Moscow.
Speaker 2: You know, like it.
Speaker 5: These people are are positively delusible. So yeah, that was
probably a bit rambly, but yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Got a couple of super chats here that run right
into each other. And Rico Palazzo for twenty dollars says
the lie can't last forever. I've heard that somewhere before
the I'm sorry, Ben Balero three ninety three says, with
a super chat for five dollars says, don't sell that's
Jay Burden.
Speaker 2: Beva geys the.
Speaker 1: Voles persona. What may be the funniest super chat of
the night. Five dollars. Thanks for the cigar stream, gents,
oh Man and the final super chat of the evening,
Pete Budapest, says Jodah Goldberg's mom was instrumental in the
Clinton sting. VEA Linda Tripp just throwing that out there.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure you're right. If you know,
that wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, I think I think we're done.
Make this a little shorter than normal. Give Thomas a
chance to do your plugs, got Thomas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can find me on you can find me
on my website. It's Thomas seven seven seven dot com
number seven seven seven seven dot com.
Speaker 2: I'm on substack.
Speaker 5: That's for a lot of the magic happens and what
I do, as it were, it's for my I got
a couple of pods going there and all kinds of
other happy fun stuff. It's real Thomas seven seven seven
dot substack dot com and from there you can pretty
much find everything I do. I didn't mean to fuck
with the program man and make this shorter than it's.
Speaker 2: Supposed to be.
Speaker 4: No, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a one subject show, so it's
going to go as long as it.
Speaker 5: Goes okay, cool, Yeah, yeah, I want to make sure
that we answered all the super chance too. Just like
I said, I got a long as day tomorrow and
like forgive me for being a forgive me for being
an old fagot, but like I my energy levels have
been great lately.
Speaker 1: So but no problem. Let's let's let them. Let's let
Spader do his, uh do his, and we'll get out
of here. You got anything to plug, mister Spader, I'll.
Speaker 3: Just say, check out the Old Glory Clubs substack. That's
where I am doing any of the writing or podcasting
that I still do. And even when it's not me,
which it typically is not, the OGC substack has a
lot of great content for you to check out.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, well, I will sign off for our president Redhawk,
and hopefully he'll be back next week, and if not,
I'll be right back here trying to hold it down.
Thank you everybody for stopping by, and well, I can't
last forever. When I pass on my good jeens to
my sons, they're going to join the Old Glory Club