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Speaker 1: Now Here's Doctor Sky.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to your weekend from the powerhouse blow towards signal

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of the universe, New York City to the nation and

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the world. Welcome to another edition of the Doctor Sky Experience.

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If you're a first time listener, a show about the

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many mysteries from the realms of astronomy, space, aviation, weather,

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celebrity guests and stories of American exceptionalism. We love to

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call this show and you tell us you enjoy it

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a theater of the mind, a show where you can

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obviously learn something new each time we bring on very

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special guests. We love it in the form of critical

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hope you do early in and on the conversation at

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theater of the mind, don't forget there are many other

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rooms to explore. And I'm confident, as many others will testify,

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that you'll be spending a lot of time why listening

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to the great commentary and great shows of the incredible

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hosts that are here on this powerhouse signal once again

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adventure this morning, something that's near and dear to so

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many people, the mystery of t W A eight hundred,

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what happened to that flight some thirty years ago July seventeenth,

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nineteen ninety six, Still searching for the truth. But also

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we'd like to welcome you to the dog days of summer,

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as if you needed a reminder from me, July three

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to August eleventh is classified as the dog days of summer.

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And you may be wondering why. It's the rising before

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the sun of the brightest star in the heavens. The

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star is serious, the dog star in the constellation Knus Major.

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So hot sultry days of summer obviously are here another

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great heat dome coming to the Midwest to affect some

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thirty three million people, and all this courtesy of a

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super strong El Nino one of course, that not only

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affecting other parts of the world. The Eastern Pacific typhoon

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Bobby continues to pound the Marianas Islands. Just wait and

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see what's in store. The special show that we put

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together with you is about an author named Jack Cashell

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and many of his books. One of them will be

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talking about t WA eight hundred, the crash, the cover up,

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and the conspiracy. And many of you listening to this

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in the New York metro area, I'm sure we'll want

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to chime in and offer your explanation or your actual

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eye witness accounts of that very tragic event hard to

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believe some thirty years ago. Who's her guest, It's Jack Casual.

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Independent writer and producer Jack Cashell has written a dozen

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non fiction books and appeared on Sea SPAN's Book ten

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TV ten times. He also produced a score of feature

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length documentaries. Jack serves as executive editor of Ingram's Magazine.

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Net Daily, and as all written for The Wall Street Journal, Fortune,

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The Washington Post, and The Weekly Standard. Jack is a

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PhD from Purdue University and the American Studies and is

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taught at a French university on the university that is

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under the auspices of the Fulbright program. Here to learn

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so much about the mysteries of this thirty years later,

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Jack Cashell, welcome to the Doctor Sky Experience. Thank you

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for spending time with us. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Hey, doctor Skuy, thanks for having me so sore. Like

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a homecoming for me since I grew up listening to WABC.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely my friend a powerhouse signal as I like to

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talk about, and it'll continue on into infinity. I'm sure

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many people around the world like yourself. I grew up

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in the New York metro area and I had a

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little tiny transistor radio maybe five dollars. My parents had

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to take the earphone out of my ear here and

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say turn that radio off, and I said, no, I

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like to listen to this station. So Jack, this is amazing.

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Speaker 4: You grew up. We grew up.

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Speaker 3: I was born in Jamaica, Queens, and we moved all

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escaped over to New Jersey and now I'm here in Phoenix.

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Speaker 4: Because I grew up in York, New Jersey, and in fact,

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I wrote a book about that experience. It's called Untenable,

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which I'd recommend for people who grew up in that

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part of the world. Is because it's a story that

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no one else wanted to tell.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jack, again, an honor to have you here. Jack's

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Speaker 3: S hil dot com. And if we do have time, Jack,

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in these two hours and this adventure, as we call

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of course too. Let's start with this event. Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Sure. I would just say instead of referring people to

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my website, I'd rather you refer to my substat base,

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which is where I actively produced. Now I'm published, and

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it is just going to substack dot com and look

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Speaker 3: It the best of the best technology.

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Speaker 4: There you go, sir, you go, yeah, it's a great service.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jack, this is amazing. I had you on a

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show that I did literally ten years ago when the

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book came out, the first edition, talking about this tragic

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event and it was great because the phone line is

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lit up here in the New York I mean, sculd

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me in the Phoenix area. And I'm sure this will continue.

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rather not read this from things like Wikipedia. You're the

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experienced person in the room here in the theater of

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your mind. Talk about this and what got you intrigued

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in this whole story. I mean, it's so fascinating and

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so tragic with no answers to this date.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'll tell you how I got involved because

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to be something you know, X y Z. But about

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year two thousand, I belonged to this club and they

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investigator on this case, and he wrote a book called

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the event. It was at a country club. I got

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it was filled with angry people who totally signed on

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ended up sitting next to Elizabeth Sanders, Jim's wife. They're

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really pretty Filipino American, sweet as could be. And when

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I had convicted a federal court. And so the next

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and I still in touch with Elizabeth. So once they

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get involved in this, because I don't want to just

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go down some rabbit hole and have it be some

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well maybe this, maybe that, who knows, who knows. So

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reporter who covered it, Pad Milton, the other by the

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CNN reporter who covered the case, Christine m Groni, And

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they were both full on board, you know, inexplicable fuel

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tank explosion, quite a terrible tragedy. But they're very convincing,

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if you know, because I didn't know that much about

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the case, I see, And so when I got to

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the Sanders, I was skeptical. I said, I'm from Missouri,

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were right. And that's again, are the beginning of our

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adventure together.

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Speaker 3: No, that's an incredible story. And I reach out to

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the audience and not to ask a dumb question or anything,

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but I think in all due respect to those that

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passed on that day and all the cover up that

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we hear about and searching for answers, just like in

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many ways but not directly aligned with the uapuf oo thing,

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when are we ever going to get disclosure? This is

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totally a different way of trying to get skin the

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cat and try to get answers. I'd like to go

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out to the audience here, particularly those in the New

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may have had an experience where you actually witnessed this

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particular episode, a tragedy in American aviation, a tragedy for

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the world in one, eight hundred and eight four eight

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nine to two two, because I'm sure many of those

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people are still actively in pursuit like we are, mister

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Cashall on this particular story. So let's talk about the

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event itself. The aircraft, the Boeing seven forty seven, one

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of the great aircrafts that Mowing's built. Yes, amazing airport.

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and it's it's going to Paris from JFK. It takes

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off at seven nineteen perfectly fine, nice evening, something like

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seventy one degrees that had, you know when it took

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off right around just before sun set. And it's got

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two hundred and thirty people on board. Fifty three of

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them are TWA employees. Many of them are dead heading

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back to Paris. So for the TWA family, it was

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a huge strategy. These are their friends and you know,

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their loved ones. And in twelve minutes out of JFK,

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it's the Hampton's all that stuff. This is sort of

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affluent beach communities. At a night, I can miss a

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beautiful summer night. Everyone's out, you know, people on the beach,

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they're out in their decks, they're out them, you know,

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they're rooftop gardens whatever. So there's what happens happens in

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pool view of literally thousands of people, some seven hundred

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and fifty of them. We'll talk to the FBI, and

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at seven point thirty one, I will just I'll just

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skip ahead to save the misery. Here about seven thirty people,

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many people up and down the coast, at least fifty

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six people, according to the NTSB, trace the event from

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the horizon. They see rising from the horizon, streak of

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light and a gray colored kind of squiggling parking over

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approaching the airplane. Explosion, explosion, massive fireball, ball into the sea.

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That was at seven point thirty one. The plane was

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at about thirteen thousand feet and immediately, you know, people

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were calling into the Suffolk County Police, New York City Police, wherever,

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and the tragedy was. You know, everyone knew what had happened.

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The plane was gone. It was gone from the transponders

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at the air traffic controllers. It was gone, period. And

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the rest of it was the rest of it. The

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real story begins after the plane crashes, after the plane

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descends into the sea. The unsavory part of the story begins, then.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right if you're just tuning into the Dutchess

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guy experience in our theater of the mind as we

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to the seven forty seven itself. We talk aviation here.

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I'm enamored by this and these are some of the

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things that I've been so proud of over the years.

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I had a rare interview with Joe Sutter, the Boeing

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designer of the seven forty seven. He since passed on.

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particular aircraft for those people that are very technical and

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interested in the aviation world. The aircraft was manufactured in

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July nineteen seventy one. His officially was a Boeing seven

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forty seven Dish one thirty one. It's registered N number.

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the airplane itself. N nine thirty one one nine with

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a serial number of two zero zero eight three. And

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again not to still thunder from your story, because it's

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so powerful. It can be sixteen eight hundred and sixty

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nine flights in ninety three thousand, three hundred and three

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hours of operation, empowered by the very reliable Pratt and

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Whitney JT nine D seventy eight turbofan engines. Now what

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does that have to do with your story? It goes

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to tell you that these are train pilots. These are

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people that had thousands one of hours behind the cockpit

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knowing what to do with this airplane. So many of

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these theories, just to put it in summation, and we're

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going to have you explain to us some of the

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maybe some of the how ludicrous some of these might be,

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and how maybe relative they are to reality. Some of

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the theories A bomb on the Lord, a man pad,

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shoulder fired missile, a terrorist aircraft hitting the TWA eight hundred,

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a mid level of fule tank spark explosion, the CIA version.

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And then it gets even more bizarre, But I don't

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know a US Navy missile hits the airplane by accident,

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trying to hit a terrorist aircraft that flew near the

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TWA eight hundred. These are all things we read. But

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take us back to reality, give us your of what do.

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Speaker 4: You think I just And also, doctor skuy feel free

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to add those details because I'm not an aviator, Okay,

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I don't profess to you know, know more about the press,

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although what I can add. What I can add is this,

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in the history of the seven forty seven, no plane

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ever self combusted in mid air. No plane before nineteen

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ninety six, no plane after nineteen ninety six. And this

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was the very very very rare mechanical failure in which

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the NTSB or the FBIA grounded the fleet and made

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you know, improvements so it wouldn't happen again. They just

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kept on plying that includes the air force. One put

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that in perspective.

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Speaker 3: No, it's amazing, Jack, what you're talking about here. Now

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we hear that whole history of the seven forty seven.

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Now they've stopped production, that's a whole nother story for

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the aviation world. But going back to your story, I mean,

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this is amazing. People are witnessing this all over the place.

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and describe it. How many witnesses did indeed the FBI,

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you know, interrogate or take their testimony. I mean, this

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is interesting story to tell us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the final count was seven hundred and

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fifty five. Wow. And the FBI, by the way, was

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totally they're in over their heads. That's they're not air

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you know, investigators of air craft intimates. They shouldn't even

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been on the job. But on day one, hour one

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they were designated to take the job over from the

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National Transportation Safety Board, the INTSP, who, by law is

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designated to control all in any domestic airplane crashes. Now

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they maintained that control by law. I mean, it's not

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just like a tradition. It's law only if until it's

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a crime. And this was never declared a crime, the

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destruction to the Great hundred. But the I just bullied

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them right out of the way, right immediately, and started

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interviewing people up and down the coast of Long Island

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and then Connecticut, even in New Jersey, people at you know,

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ships at sea, A few aviators who saw it helicopter pilots,

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and what the FBI would do is they would interview

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someone and fill out what's called the three to zero

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two which is just like a handwritten you know, a

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document where you would and then it would be at

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some point given to a secretary to type up or whatever.

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So but they didn't have any GPS, they didn't have

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any navigation as they were really blundering through this, which

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actually ends up helping the people who wanted these this

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incident to go away. So they interviewed about seven hundred

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fifty five people. Of those seven fifty five, I think

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that the number was two fifty eight who saw a

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streak of light heading up towards the aircraft. And I

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think the end final NTSP number was fifty six who

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were able to trace that streak of light from the

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horizon all the way to the aircraft. So many of

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these witnesses were just excellent, and a lot of them

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were professionals with serious experience and helicopter pilots for instance,

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and you know former military people, Fisherman people who were

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used to knowing what they were seeing, and also people

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it's going to sound a little sort of classes maybe,

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but people who live along the coast of the Hamptons

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and southern Long Island. Are used to be taken seriously.

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They can't easily be brushed off, and so they were

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very persistent. And the one short of this witness experience

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is that this took place just before the Internet became

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a commonplace. Only about twelve percent of the people were online,

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and so the witnesses had had no way.

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Speaker 3: Your report that the New York Times came online I

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think in an internet way back in nineteen ninety six

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or thereabouts, right to.

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Speaker 4: Continue, that's when they first came online, exactly. And so,

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but the witnesses had no way of knowing there were

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other witnesses because The New York Times wasn't going to

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interview them.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, right, but firsthand evidence right from the cockpit of

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an aircraft. I'm reading this from your book. No, I'm

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not reading it Forbiden executive, No excuse me. We're talking

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about David McLean, an East Wind pilot, saw the tw

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eight hundred explode right in front of him. And what

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better evidence could you have that something's amissed there that

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we see the explosion. Describe that a little better than

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what I tried to read there because or described because

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when you have that first hand information, they're seeing it

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right from sitting in the cockpit, like, oh my god,

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look at this big airliner. I just saw it explode.

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Tell us more about that.

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Speaker 4: That's inportant in McClain's case. And you know, it's been

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a while since I've reviewed this case, but I they

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can't remember it well. What the I would say the

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people were, because I'm going to call the conspirators, the

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people who wanted this to go away. What they liked

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about McClain is that he didn't see the missile approach.

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What they didn't like about McClean is that he saw

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the plane fall right out of the sky. That's amazing. Now,

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why this was a problem is because the CIA, which

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had very discreetly taking control of the investigation from the

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FBI on day one or day two, at the end

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of their way they closed the investigation. Was the CIA

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was commissioned this is crazy to create an animation that

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would somehow rationalize explain away what the eyewitnesses saw. And

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so what they concluded, and doctor Scott, you could probably

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speak to this more eloquently than I can. What they

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concluded was that there was an on board explosion center

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fuel tank, spontaneous unknown origin. They blew the nose off

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the plane, and then the noseless plane ascended from that

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point another thirty five hundred and four thousand feet, using

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people into thinking they saw a missile going up.

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Speaker 3: Totally ridiculous, but it was spoon fed to us, and

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so many people have known.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: Now, obviously through your research and your books investigative journalism,

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people are starting to wake up. But thirty years later,

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oh my gosh, I mean, this is still the greatest mystery.

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And then it goes deep as we get into this

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interview with our very special guest, Jack Cashell. Your questions

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and observations at one eight hundred and eight four eight

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nine to two to two two. Maybe some of you

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even witness this or no people who had or sadly again,

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maybe you knew people who actually perished on that particular aircraft.

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But I think I have it right, didn't George Stephanopoulos

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once say, and I don't know if the quote is right,

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Tell the truth, but do it slowly? Is there some

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truth to what I just said?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't know that he said that, But okay,

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I think I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: That's what I thought I heard. But that's interesting. So

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the main role of the CIA is to deceive. That's

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the business that they're in, so obviously true.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they gave out medals at the end of

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the day, right. I can tell you the guy who

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was said, he has a picture in the CIA magazine,

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Randolph House. He gets like the President's medal for doing

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a good job. And if this has been a foreign

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adversary and ye had somehow served our national purpose, I

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see yes, But when you're dealing with American people, that's

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not your role. In fact, the CIA should never had

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been involved. They have no authority at all to meddle

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in a domestic airplane.

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Speaker 3: You're so right. And if you watch that video, I guess,

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unless they've edited it again, it keeps insisting on what center,

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fuel tank, fuel tank, fuel tank, It comes going on

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and on and on. But you're so right. I'm not

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an aviation I'm not an aviation expert by any means,

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but I know plenty of pilots that are. But what

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I find ludicrous from the science of astronomy and space

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and physics, you don't necessarily see the front section of

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a seven forty seven deciding to propel itself higher into

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the air. And I think in your book you describe

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it even better. Season seven forty seven, Bilots said, hell no,

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that front section would just drop like a rock because

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obviously it defies the laws of physics, which is totally amazing.

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This is fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is a fascinating interview to they talking about

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something again near and dear to so many people out there.

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But what Jack, I mean simply, never has any real

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conclusion been put forth on this. It's still what in

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the mind of speculation, but in the do not know,

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you do not need to know file right or something

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like that, never to tell you.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty much there and now you know, thirty years later,

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it remains a mystery, right And yeah, it wasn't It's

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not a mystery. I think the White House knew within

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a couple hours exactly what happened, and I think they

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realized that this is an incident they could not have

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exposed until at least after November. It was an election

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year and the Clintons were coming back from the dead

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after the November nineteen ninety four midterms, and they were

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afraid of being primaried. Early on but they've climbed back.

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They're running against Bob Dole. You and I could be

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dol and they summer back in the league, and the

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last thing they wanted was to lose that momentum. And

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this would have done it. Whether who's a terrorist or

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whether it was a naval missfire or even when there's

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a bomb, it would have totally distracted from their mission.

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And this is the number one news story of nineteen

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ninety six. It drove the presidential election off the front

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pages for a month, and so it had to go away.

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Speaker 3: Jack Cashual as our guest. We continue with him and you,

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leaders and gentlemen at one eight hundred eight four eight

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nine two two two. The Doctor Sky Experience bringing you,

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I think, an exceptional interview with a journalist that spent

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a lot of time studying this from all different angles.

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Speaker 6: It Joe Sutter, the designer of the Boeing seven forty seven,

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and you're listening to the Doctor Sky show.

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Speaker 3: Some information on the Boeing seven forty sent its first

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light back on February ninth, nineteen sixty nine, first commercial

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service January twenty second, nineteen seventy and its first launch

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customer was pan Am. At that time, twenty five airplanes

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were wardered by PanAm for five hundred and twenty five

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million dollars. Major innovations, the first use of high bypass

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turbofan engines, and the number of seven forty seven models produced.

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There were six the expected life of an average seven

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forty seven some fifteen years, with four hundred deliveries, number

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of seven forty sevens built to date more than one thousand,

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five hundred and forty eight. We continue with a very

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special guest. All of our guests are special in the

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theater of their mind. But this story which still perplects

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as many Flight TWA eight hundred, the crash to cover

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up in the conspiracy by our author and guesst Jack Cashell.

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This event nearly thirty years ago, ladies and gentlemen, and

476
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,960
still is something that we're concerned about today. Talk a

477
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,720
little bit more. We talked a little bit before, and

478
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,000
we didn't give you a fair chance at this. Maybe

479
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,880
a connection to the Clinton administration without me pointing a finger.

480
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,160
I'm not the one who knows all this, but the

481
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,279
point is, talk up a little bit more about this

482
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:42,119
whole particular time with the Clintons and this election coming up,

483
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,599
and maybe a good reason to not give us the

484
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,279
truth on this because it might have upset an entire

485
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,400
election cycle. As you described, tell us.

486
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Speaker 4: More tech, right, you know. I break down conspiracy theories,

487
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,000
doctor Sky, into two basic categories. One or is conspiracies,

488
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:04,279
of which are kind of a dime a dozen. The

489
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,559
others are the conspiracies of execution, which are extremely rare

490
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,240
at this level, almost impossible. So I've become the probably

491
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,640
the doctor know of a nine to eleven inside job.

492
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,559
So I'm so to speak conspiracy theorist. I have a reputation.

493
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,319
And if you write a book with the major publisher

494
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,119
and they have lawyers, so everything has to You can't

495
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,880
just make stuff up. You can't just improvise or speculate.

496
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,920
So this was the conspiracy of concealment. And I think

497
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,160
the concealment began the very night of the crash. The

498
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,000
Clintons were in Washington. We know that. I know because

499
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,039
I've talked to Buzz Patterson and carry the nuclear football

500
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:49,920
for the president.

501
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had him once as a guest. What an

502
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,799
amazing guy.

503
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, great guy, and he was as he told me.

504
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,200
The Clinton's never left the family quarters evening, so they

505
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,000
didn't go down to the situation room where George Stephanopplaz

506
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:09,279
says he was. And that was on Then he inadvertently

507
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:11,799
said that on nine to eleven when he was, you know,

508
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,519
stilling time on, you know, during the ABC broadcast. Yes, bombing,

509
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:24,440
but the people in the situation room, we're trying to

510
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,880
assess the information coming in. And what's fascinating about that

511
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000
night is that even though it was the number one

512
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:35,279
news story of the year, and even though we almost

513
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:37,640
went to war with Iran over it.

514
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: Oh, here we go again with Iran, Right, Jack, this

515
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:43,039
is even back there.

516
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: It's not disproved the hot spot in our forty seven

517
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:52,119
year Cold War. None of the principles involved wrote about

518
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:55,680
it in her memoirs. So Clinton writes a nine hundred

519
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,680
page book He dedicates one paragraph to fight a hundred

520
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,640
Hillary and her five hundred pages gives it a half sentence.

521
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,119
Louis free head of the FBI. Not a word, Leon Panetta,

522
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,359
chief of staff, Not a word. Stephanopoulos in the room,

523
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:16,759
not a word. Dick Morris. He's interesting because in the

524
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,359
chapter he refers to that chapter as the terror of

525
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,079
summer of nineteen ninety six. Not a word, And then

526
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I'm going to say that he just listed as one

527
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,279
of the terror events of that summer. I was on

528
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,799
the radio show with Marris once and I asked him,

529
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I said, Dick, tell us what you know. And I

530
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:38,839
asked it three times, and three times he made believe

531
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that I wasn't there. He didn't hear it, and just

532
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,279
talked right over me. And then I don't want to

533
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:47,440
embarrass the hostess. I'm not going anything at end. So

534
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:50,119
they decided not to talk about it after the fact.

535
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,880
The Senate Intelligence Committee report that year doesn't mention it,

536
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,599
even though the CIA and the FBI were both heavily involved.

537
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,480
So no one wanted to talk about what happened. But

538
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,240
what did happen. What we do know happened that came

539
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,960
out of that evening is that I believe it was

540
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:16,480
Jamie Grellic, who was the Deputy Attorney General, who assigned

541
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:22,160
the FBI to take over the investigation from the NTSB

542
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,440
in a legal move, but it was done publicly. I

543
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,079
believe it was probably I can't name names, just be guessing,

544
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,079
but it had to come from the top to instruct

545
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:41,240
the CIA to oversee the investigation by the FBI, and

546
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,400
that would lead to some interesting dynamics down the road

547
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,400
because the two man missile team for the FBI, who

548
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,960
had one very good, noble truth teller and one potential

549
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:59,799
scumback on that team, and the CIA liked the scumback

550
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:00,960
he was playing their game.

551
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:05,079
Speaker 3: Wow, this is amazing, you know, Jack, Like, we call

552
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,519
this the blowtorch signal of this radio station, and obviously

553
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,720
it is. You're lighting up the phone lines with your

554
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:12,920
own blowtorch. So let's go to the callers right now.

555
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,799
Let's go to line number two and welcome Mark in Arizona. Mark,

556
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,519
you run with author Jack Cashell on the TWA eight

557
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:21,400
hundred mystery. How are you this evening?

558
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Speaker 7: Good?

559
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 8: Thank you, mister Cashell. Ten years ago, Steve Gates had

560
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,240
a show in the Phoenix and I heard you on

561
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,640
the show that night or that day. It was also

562
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,400
the right show and I called in and won your

563
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,519
book that you had written on the twa eight hundred.

564
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,039
Speaker 4: All right and congratulations, Yes, thank you.

565
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 8: Can you sign it now? Just kid?

566
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Speaker 3: No.

567
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 8: On July seventeenth, my wife and I headed to Atlanta

568
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,039
for the Olympics and we hear all this commotion going

569
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on when we landed, and it started all this investigation.

570
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,240
So my question for you, can you tell us that

571
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:03,799
there was ever a floyer requested by any organization about

572
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:07,640
the details of what actually happened. And also, my father

573
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,960
in law worked for America Airlines for thirty years out

574
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,720
of Kennedy, and when he retired, he's there for forty years.

575
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,079
He said, it's no way possible for that fuel tank

576
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:20,279
to explode. No way possible, right, So can you also

577
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,160
tell me you have about vallengaries in their part? I'm sorry,

578
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,400
Oh no.

579
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: That's that's a good because that leads to an interesting segue. Yeah,

580
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,720
you raise a good point. It was the Atlanta Olympics

581
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,119
was started on the nineteen of July, so the military,

582
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,319
the Navy especially was on a high state of alert

583
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,319
because all these hard dignitaries coming in playing to chat

584
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,359
out of the sky. That's struggle. You know, you meant

585
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,000
to sit down in the skies. They the PIS did

586
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,640
a Pierre Salinger part. By the way, I spoke to

587
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,119
the QB's and pressed it, and about two years ago

588
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:00,559
I think I'm this year going to come to Phoenix

589
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:02,839
to talk to the QB chapter there.

590
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,519
Speaker 3: Well, we need to sit and have a lunch. If

591
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:06,519
you'd be so kind, that would be nice to sit

592
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:07,079
and chat with.

593
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 4: The Salader. Thing opens the way to a kind of

594
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:20,800
semi amusing anecdote. I know it's not funny for people

595
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,159
who are family members on this plane. Just sometimes you

596
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,639
just need to break from the solemnity of it. But

597
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:33,599
in the fall of nineteen ninety six, yeah, fall of

598
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,719
I'm sorry, let me jump forward the fall of twenty sixteen.

599
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:42,760
Billary Clinton is running for president against Donald Trump. Jim Cawstrom,

600
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,440
who's the FBI head of investigation, is on Fox News

601
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,719
just about nightly as their national security advisor. Remember no,

602
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,880
and Calstrum made very clear is the stays for the Clintons.

603
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,239
And he went, in fact as far as to endorse

604
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,719
Donald Trump, which was kind of unprecedented and unprofessional. But

605
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,239
he did it, And so every time he'd appear, I'd

606
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,760
hear from the family members of the victims, and they

607
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,519
would say, I see when I see him, if he

608
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:17,000
wants to affect the election, why doesn't he just tell

609
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:20,719
the truth about twa eight hundred exactly? So that a

610
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,320
good point. So what I did is I sent him.

611
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,000
I have a private eye friend who got his address,

612
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,840
and I sent him a registered letter making that request.

613
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,840
And then to avoid I live in a democratic neighborhood,

614
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,559
by the way, I don't like to be around during elections.

615
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,199
So I went to France for a couple of weeks,

616
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,880
and since it was November, I started to go to

617
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,519
south of France because the weather's nights. So I in

618
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,559
the evening of all about a week before the election,

619
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,440
I'm sitting out of the promenade and nice. I don't

620
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,360
know anyone's been there, but it's right along the Mediterranean.

621
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,559
I'm sitting on a bench looking over the Mediterranean. On

622
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,159
my phone rings and I picked it up and says, kinetic,

623
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:03,679
right now, I had heard that Calsh from everyone says

624
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:07,559
this was a totally profane bullye. And I picked up

625
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,639
the phone and he goes, is this Jack Cashall. I said, yeah,

626
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:15,440
what I mean, he's dropping f bombs on me, like

627
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:20,719
goes his own personal Dresden. You're just obliterating me. And

628
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,119
then I got him to calm down and and I said,

629
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,159
we're on the same side here. I said, he was

630
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:31,599
very upset that the family members weren't, you know, buying

631
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:34,639
what he was selling. And got him to calm down.

632
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:36,519
We're on the same side in this election. Let's try

633
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,960
to just get over the finish line here. And then

634
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,119
he goes, are you not one of those people who

635
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:45,239
believed that a terrorist shot down the airplane? Are you right?

636
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,719
He seems so out of it. I said, no, I'm not.

637
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,039
I wish it were that way. You know, when I

638
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:52,760
first got into it, I was hoping that would be

639
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,320
the outcome because it's more explainable, you know, I said,

640
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,159
but I'm the unfortunate fact. I said, our navy shot

641
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,159
it down. And then he really went off. And here's

642
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:05,440
the funny part. He goes, you sound like that. I

643
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:09,199
think Pierre Salinger He held an f press conference on

644
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,000
the Think French Riviera right after in November of.

645
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: Nineteen right, and the Sallengers hypothesis was a navy missile

646
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,639
of course, right, that's it's right.

647
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting here thinking, thank God, he doesn't know

648
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,599
where I am. I'm on the French Riviera. We'd have

649
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:28,480
been in war with France in a couple of weeks

650
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,079
if I knew where I was.

651
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,119
Speaker 3: Jack, let me go back to Mark, if you have

652
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:35,280
a quick follow up here. We're almost up against the

653
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,559
break here, but I appreciate your following up with us

654
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,679
and also following the previous shows that I did. It's

655
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,400
nice to meet somebody after that many years who's followed that.

656
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Mark, before we leave the night, would you

657
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,480
mention your books on Ashley Babbitt and the black educational

658
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,239
system in America?

659
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 4: What happened to the Blacks? Yeah? My book on Ashley

660
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,679
Babbitt is actually called Ashley The Untold Story of the

661
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,400
Women of January sixth, and I wrote a book on

662
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,679
not so much on black education, as in the collapse

663
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,880
of America cities from my own personal experience. A book

664
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,159
is called Untenable, The True Story of White ethnic flight

665
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,320
from America Cities.

666
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,639
Speaker 3: Interesting. Thank you, Mark in Arizona. Jack, we're going to

667
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:18,039
come up on a break here in just a moment.

668
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:19,519
But I just want to remind if your building, if

669
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:21,960
you're still on the line, and hope you are. Line

670
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,960
three is Alexi. He'll get on. Line four is George

671
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,159
and Westchester, and line five Tom and Long Island. But

672
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,880
what about you, ladies and gentlemen, do you have any

673
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,039
personal feelings about this? Of course you do, and maybe

674
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,079
you are also witnessed to some of this that we're

675
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,840
talking about a tragic day in American history, the destruction

676
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,800
of TWA flight eight hundred. The contact number one eight

677
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,039
hundred eight four eight nine two two two as we

678
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,519
speak with Jack Cashell, give out your substack site, because

679
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:51,239
if I just give your website, I know you wanted

680
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,159
me to direct people. What is that so people can

681
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:53,760
hear it again?

682
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, the substack is just go to subsack dot com.

683
00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:59,440
It's a great service, by the way, and I do

684
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:03,360
it daily calumn. It's like I'm a daily columnist and

685
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,719
you go to subsech dot com and you search Jack

686
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,079
Cashell and I'll take you on my page and then

687
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:11,880
you can subscribe. You don't have to pay to subscribe either.

688
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,159
You can pay if you like, but you don't have to.

689
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,039
You can I take call coment.

690
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,559
Speaker 3: Well, God bless you, Jack, and we'll even talk later

691
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,360
in our one or even hour two an article that

692
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,000
you've written back in June of this year and subtitled

693
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:29,880
what John Gottie Knows about TWA Flight eight hundred. We'll

694
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be right back with our special guest, Jack Cashell. The

695
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Doctor Sky Experience, the Theater of the Mind continues, and

696
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,840
again we want to thank our helmsman, both Bill and

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Jackson for making sure that you get on the air

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and that we can hear you on this powerhouse blowtorch

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Speaker 3: The most passengers ever carried on A seven forty seven

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and now Ale seven forty seven took off with one

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thousand and eighty six people on takeoff and landed with

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one thousand and eighty eight. Two babies were born in flight.

711
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The reason for the high passenger load evacuation of Ethiopian

712
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,760
Jews from Addis Ababa. We continue with Jack Cashell forty

713
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,920
eight minutes after the hour. Jack amazing stories about not

714
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,840
only the aircraft, but the sad tragedy of how this

715
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,199
happened is We continue with explore. Let's continue with our guests.

716
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,760
They've been patient on the line and the callers, I

717
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,400
should say, line number three, Alexian Queens, you're on with

718
00:40:58,519 --> 00:40:59,639
Jack Cashell. Good morning.

719
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,599
Speaker 10: Yes, I addressed this to your guests, sir. First and foremost,

720
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,079
I'm going to make two points briefly. I will hope

721
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:14,400
you will appreciate these points. First of all, there was

722
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,079
an excellent film that was made some decades ago, and

723
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:26,880
the name of the film is No Highway in the Sky.

724
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:31,679
It features a prominent actor, James Stewart. It is about

725
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:36,199
an aircraft engineer who he plays who it's insisting that

726
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,880
he knows something about why he's playing, his company's playing,

727
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,920
breaking apartment pieces in the air, and throughout the story

728
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,320
he's not believed until finally the end he is correct.

729
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,239
He proves it as his theory is proven and he

730
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,719
is correct. An amazing story. You must you must watch

731
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,199
the film.

732
00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: What's the name of the kind of lexy? I didn't

733
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,559
hear it clearly in the listeners.

734
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:03,159
Speaker 10: Didn't tell us again, Oh, okay, the name of the

735
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:08,159
theme is no and all Highway, like a highway you

736
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:14,119
die about in the sky. It starts James James Stewart,

737
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:17,320
and it's an excellent movie, excellent about aircraft that are

738
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,599
suddenly breaking it to pieces and such and exploding in

739
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:20,880
the air.

740
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,679
Speaker 3: Well, Alexi, thank you for that bit of information on

741
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,119
aviation structure and the integrity of aircraft. Jack are a

742
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:28,960
comment from you if you'd like on that. I think

743
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,760
it's important too.

744
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 4: No, I mean it's I don't know that movie, but

745
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,519
I'll check it out because it's the subject that interests me.

746
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,239
But you know, it's happened then. I don't know when

747
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,199
that movie was made. But in the era of Jedi fuel,

748
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,679
which is sort of like kerosene, planes have become far

749
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,840
less flammable and far less subject to you know, internal

750
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,119
explosions that are caused by you know, sparks or some

751
00:42:56,159 --> 00:43:02,360
other thing. But so it's and that's why the seven

752
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,840
forty seven said, other than played a hundred have never

753
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,639
experienced that.

754
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: Never Well, you're going to give us even greater information

755
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,760
and our number two, I'm sure about the whole CIA

756
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,519
theory and the video in which many people, of course

757
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:18,360
like yourself are sitting back going wait a minute, from

758
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,920
all the witness testimony, eyewitness testimony and others. It certainly

759
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,440
can't be as we talk about a cover up. Let's

760
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,840
continue on the phone lines. They're important to us. All

761
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,039
the callers line number four. We welcome George and Westchester.

762
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,360
Good morning. You're on with Jack Cashall.

763
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 11: How are you doing that, gentlemen, Sherlock Holmes says, nothing

764
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,960
over you guys, tremendous show.

765
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 4: Let me just say, let me just set this up.

766
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 6: Two months before flight eight hundred, the plane crash in

767
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,920
the Everglades in.

768
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 11: Florida that went down, killing over one hundred people on

769
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,480
that plane. And then also a couple of days after

770
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,719
the flight eight hundred, the Olympic bombing took place and

771
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:03,920
security guard who was a hero, saw the package started

772
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,159
evacuating people, and then they accused.

773
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,639
Speaker 6: Him because he was a white guy. They were accusing

774
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,119
him that he planted it to become like a hero,

775
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,519
which was psychotic.

776
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 4: The FBI was doing it.

777
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 6: The media piggyback on it, and eventually the gentleman who

778
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,039
was a great hero, settled for millions of dollars for defamition.

779
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:25,639
So what happens a couple of days before the Olympics starts,

780
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,559
Fight eight hundred goes down. Like you said before, there's

781
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:33,079
like seven eight hundred eye witnesses. But we never really

782
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:38,440
get to even hear any of these witnesses. We never

783
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,039
hear anything about it, and we never really get to

784
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:45,400
scrutinize even people who were the passages on that plane.

785
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:48,760
Just to do a full investigation. Now let me fast

786
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,119
forward to two thousand and.

787
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:55,519
Speaker 4: One, but go ahead. Yeah, but this the people loving this.

788
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 6: Two thousand and one November, the fight that crashed over

789
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,719
two thousand and one Bell Harber beautiful to day.

790
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:04,559
Speaker 12: They blamed the pilots for that.

791
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 6: They said, wake turbulence, they put in control the you know,

792
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,760
the instruments and stuffle the instruments weren't up the paw

793
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,800
and they put because this was right after nine to eleven.

794
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,559
So but to me, I think it was they didn't

795
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:18,159
want to scan the people before the Olympics that a

796
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,400
terrorist attack occurred. And also right at the nine to

797
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,239
eleven two months, even though we had to speak Obamba

798
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,840
in December two thousand and one.

799
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Speaker 3: Well, you bring good points, George. Not to catch you short,

800
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,840
I'm going to try to get others on the air hair.

801
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,119
But a response back from you, Jack, if you so long,

802
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:33,559
go ahead.

803
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, both excellent observations. The fellow's name was Richard Jewel.

804
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,920
Why do they like Richard Jewels the suspect it's because

805
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,360
that meant it wasn't terrorism, just some sort of you know,

806
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,159
a nutty security card. They made a good movie about

807
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:51,519
that too. Cline Eastwood did in November. Crash of that

808
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,320
plane as Heed Ford, Dominican Republic November two thousand and one,

809
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,360
was highly suspicious. No one, me included wanted that plane

810
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,639
to be terrorists. You know, it's confirmation biased rule the day.

811
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:05,639
Speaker 3: Are you refiring, Jack? Excuse me? Are you referring to

812
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:07,920
the one that crashed along the Jamaica area, I mean

813
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:16,039
right along they believe Yeah, absolutely, Okay.

814
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 4: Powell was the one Secretary of State is the one

815
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,559
who who went to the scene. When does that happen?

816
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: No, that's crazy. But one of the theories there again,

817
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,400
not to catch you short, is that the vertical stabilizer

818
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,119
on that plane, which was made out of like a

819
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,760
plexiglass or something, not a regular metal, you know, structure

820
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,079
also helped that aircraft go down. But if I believe

821
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:36,440
that that is really the truth, I don't know. But

822
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,840
that's an interesting one that we're talking about here, another

823
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,320
sad loss of life. And I always thought that was

824
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,639
the shoe bomber thing, but that's really not the same

825
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:45,320
aircraft that we're talking.

826
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,159
Speaker 4: About, right, You know, I was suspicious, but I'll just

827
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,400
tell you the psychology of every American and November two

828
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,480
thousand and one is we didn't want it to be terrorism.

829
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:56,079
Speaker 3: I hear you.

830
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,119
Speaker 4: We didn't want to air our planes, you know, the

831
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:03,440
air the air plane shut down, the airport shutdown, and

832
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:05,360
we wanted to get back to our life and the

833
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,360
psychology that era. You'd have to have been there. I mean,

834
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,679
young people don't understand that at all. You know.

835
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 3: Well, it's great to listen to these stories and the

836
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,960
books that you've written, particularly about this mystery for thirty years.

837
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,960
I mean, look at this, this has never been solved.

838
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,360
Let's try if we can to get another call around

839
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,440
before the top of the hour line number four. George

840
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,440
and Westchester. You've been patient. You're on with Jack Cashall

841
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,440
and we've lost him. But call back if you so desire.

842
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,000
Line five, Tom and Long Island. You're on the air

843
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,719
with Jack Cashall. Good morning to you.

844
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 5: Give him one, Doctor Scott Sky. I'm sorry. I just

845
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,719
I remember this day, this evening very well. My wife

846
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,639
came out running out of the house telling me that

847
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,119
a plane has just gone down to close just shout

848
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:55,760
to us. I live in Shirley, and I say, well, unbelievable.

849
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,000
The next day I go to work and I stopped

850
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,599
at the seven to eleven up by the Stressway and

851
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:06,679
William Floyd Park, right, and this is about maybe sine morning,

852
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:12,039
quarter to six, and there's six US divers in there

853
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,639
gathering a like bananas stuff like that and rolls and coffee,

854
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,480
and one of them all was getting my corp. I

855
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,440
go wow, I said, you guys had not to Cabresci Airport.

856
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,119
You got something going on. There's not who are you

857
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:28,760
and divers? He was going out to look for that

858
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:34,599
wreck that night. And I was like, that is like

859
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,559
really weird to me. So I bought them all coffee

860
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,400
that I thanked it for that patriotm then I went

861
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,920
to work and the foreman, who was a big fisherman,

862
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:48,639
was out the ninet before in the off the coast

863
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,960
in the dory with him and his buddy flute fishing,

864
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,599
and they said, he told me, I seen that missile

865
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:58,199
go up. So now that's two things in the same

866
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,320
morning day after this event, and I got my mind

867
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,719
thinking about I don't know. After they started pulling rerecords up,

868
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,719
I got transfer to another job and I met up

869
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,880
with a friend of mine who was working on a

870
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,360
different job of Caviton, the old Grumming grounds where they

871
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,039
were staging all the particles that were from the playing

872
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:23,239
wrecked going up there, and he had he got a

873
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,000
call to go back in and clean the job out

874
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,760
because they're taking it take it back the building temporarily

875
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:32,400
because they went in there to replace everything when Grumming left,

876
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,840
to put it back to Navy standards from the nineteen sixties.

877
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:42,320
If you understand what I'm saying, Okay. So he goes

878
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,119
in there with an instrument camera and the plane is

879
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,480
now somewhat put back together, no wings. He snapped some

880
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:55,840
pictures the sports side of the futurelage, all the windows

881
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:59,679
up into a ware about the wing area was were

882
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,079
in line, but the piece that was put back in

883
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:07,159
that was like missing. It was huge. I would say,

884
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:12,280
like they would encompass maybe eight windows, maybe a little more.

885
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:16,199
That they were not in consent. You know, they were

886
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:18,239
not typical with the rest of the windows you would

887
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,159
see on the plane. They were spaced differently like in

888
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,760
other words, that and the paint master collow wasn't the same.

889
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,159
And he says, you know what, I think the Navy

890
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,920
shot this plane down about a week A week before

891
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,639
I was watching an old movie on TMC. It was

892
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,519
called The Bedford him Soon.

893
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

894
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,079
Speaker 5: It was Sidney Poetry, Sydney Potrier, Richard Witmark and the

895
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,199
kid who used to play Dan o Ony five. Oh,

896
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,679
and they're talking at the end and chasing this Russian

897
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,800
sub at the Arctic, and it was like he had

898
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,039
this crew under immense practice and practice and practice, and

899
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,679
I drove fire viizations and.

900
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,119
Speaker 3: Oh, don't tell us the end. You'll ruin it. No,

901
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:05,800
you'll ruin it.

902
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,599
Speaker 4: Tom.

903
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 3: I'm holding Tom. You got to hear this. And we're

904
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,599
out of time here in just a minute with Jack

905
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:14,360
Fis and we'll do our number two. Your story, Tom

906
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,760
is fascinating. You got to be kidding me, folks. I'm

907
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,880
holding a copy of the DVD in my hand. The

908
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,920
Bedford Incident, Richard Woodmark and Cindy portigeg. That's amazing. But

909
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,199
don't tell us the end of the movie though. Tom,

910
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,960
there you go. But no, thank you for testifying about something.

911
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,719
You're right. So many strange Tom's that happened, that's amazing.

912
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,199
Speaker 4: To Tom's point, the reconstruction that plane was not done

913
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,119
honestly at all. What they did is they they hammered

914
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:46,280
it into place to support the conclusion that the explosion

915
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,519
came from the interior plane. That's the exterior, amazing. So

916
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,199
they had a band metal to make that to create

917
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,679
that illusion and sustain it. It was I mean, it

918
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,039
is really talking a handful of people you on this.

919
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,760
It's not everyone. Most people there thought you were doing

920
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,400
a good job and doing hard work.

921
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,199
Speaker 3: The number one ends. Sorry to cut everybody short, but

922
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,039
Tom in Long Island, thank you for testifying. Continue, ladies

923
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:11,800
and gentlemen, and if Dave would like to hold on

924
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,559
in Pennsylvania, we'll get to you an hour. Number two

925
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:17,320
one eight hundred eighty four eight nine two two, two

926
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,800
thirty years later the mystery of TWA eight hundred, the crash,

927
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,400
the cover up and the conspiracy in the opinion in

928
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,719
a book or two from our author Jack Cashall. We'll

929
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,039
see you on the other side of these announcements as

930
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:31,119
the Doctor Sky Experience in the Theater of the Mind

931
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:34,440
continues in just a few moments.

932
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,800
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933
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934
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935
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936
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get in on the conversation and we encourage you to

946
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do that. At one eight hundred eight four eight nine

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two two two and again proud to say it. While

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you're at it, why not download the WABC app from

949
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,639
our Theater of the Mind. There are many other rooms

950
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,440
that you can go into with great information and I'm

951
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,679
sure you will find useful for your day and your night.

952
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We continue with special guests. All guests are special Jack Cashaal,

953
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author of so many books. We'll get into some of

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the others, but the primary focus is the thirty year

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tragedy of TWA eight hundred, behind the cover up and

956
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conspiracy with author Jack Cashall. Jack, welcome back. Let's go

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to the callers and do respect for those that didn't

958
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get in and our number one here say good morning

959
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,920
to Dave online two in Pennsylvania. You've been patient, Good morning,

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your comment or question?

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Speaker 12: Hello, doctor Stuy. First of all, do you have any

962
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books out? I would like to read at least one

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book of yours. And what is your pen name? And

964
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now I'll get to the get.

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Speaker 3: No, well, I don't at the point, and that's something

966
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I'd like to work on. But I'd like to focus.

967
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 9: On the too, But I really I can't.

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Speaker 12: I want to write a book on short stories, with

969
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,800
short stories on all kinds of different environmental and ecological

970
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,639
matters to get to the truth. If one leaves another

971
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one to some form of truth, and the one after

972
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:07,360
that combonds the to make more truth out of tropical rainforest,

973
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d forest stay, symplastic pollution.

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Speaker 3: All right, but hey, I gotta slow you down. I

975
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:16,400
gotta put the brakes on the asbestos pads there. But

976
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I want you, Dave. I appreciate you asking me about

977
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a book. Yes, that's in my goal plant and I'll

978
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be talking about that some other time. But in due

979
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,239
respect to the guest, do you have a question regarding

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00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,320
t w A eight hundred as we move forward?

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Speaker 12: Go ahead, t w A Okay, now this is sort

982
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of related. Drones and tw A drones were attempted to

983
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:45,719
shoot the president? Was that right what I heard on

984
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the news? Right?

985
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Speaker 4: For sure? Let me take this answer.

986
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, because we got to move forward. Dave, I

987
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,559
appreciate your concerns, but we got to stay on measure here.

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Go ahead.

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Speaker 9: John Jones.

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Speaker 4: Jones play a part in this in this story and

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the PIK debate understood because it seems altogether likely that

992
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the there was a missile test going on at that

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night with drones as the target we know. I have

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saw the video of a missile test off the south

995
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coast of Long Island five days earlier, in which, from

996
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all appearances, is an amateur video set off a brook

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on rooftop. It appears that the a missile comes up

998
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out of the sea, destroys the drone, and then the

999
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drone you flutters back to the to the water, and

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the missile, you know, tracks exactly like a missile attract

1001
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It was five days before July twelfth. On July seventh,

1002
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multiple people recorded seeing a drone missile exercise in that

1003
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same basic body of water. So drones do play a part.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jack, I thank you for that, and I appreciate

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your generality there, Dave. Let's move on to line number four. Ed,

1006
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he's been patient in Long Island. You're on with Jack

1007
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cashall and I just asked the audience and due respect

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to your guest, we try to stay on.

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Speaker 9: I'm not patient. I'm happy to listen. I wish the

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show was three hours. Wouly you you you oh. It's

1011
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always good, even than John John's show on on Sunday mornings.

1012
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When you get out, it's always good to hear you.

1013
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I'm want to tell you that I had a coworker

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coming to work the next day after flight a hundred

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uh happened and she said she was on the south

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shore of Long Island, on the beach and here we

1017
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used to have the Groucci fireworks factory, the Grucci company

1018
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that had.

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Speaker 3: No so they well known, you've heard of them, absolutely

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world famous.

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Speaker 9: She said that she saw what she thought was a

1022
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report a skyrocket go up and she said, oh, there

1023
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must be there must be fireworks tonight. She why did

1024
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go up? And she watched it hit a plane going

1025
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over and the plane exploded. This is what she told

1026
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me with a white just the blood drawn from.

1027
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Speaker 4: You know her.

1028
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Speaker 9: I'm feeling say feeling right now from her face. And

1029
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you know, we know the tragedy that happened. And I

1030
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have to ask your guests about fuel tanks. So this

1031
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,880
plane took off and it had it has full fuel tanks.

1032
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,159
So when fuel tanks begin empty, maybe there's some oxygen

1033
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in them, or what is in them? What what goes

1034
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,199
in them? And what would cause an explosion a static

1035
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,639
electric effect with with the jet fuel or what's the

1036
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mechanical engineering? Uh, you know on this.

1037
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Speaker 4: You know what happened is that for? You know, for

1038
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four years the National Transportation Safety Board tried to simulate

1039
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some combination of sparks and and they couldn't do it.

1040
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So what they had to do was, yeah, and they

1041
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had they had a jack with the forma. They had

1042
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to put gasoline in the in the center fuel tank

1043
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to mayl explode. Uh. Yeah. When my book came out,

1044
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doctor guy, the angriest letters I got, and I must

1045
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have gotten fifty of them or from maybe maybe not fifty,

1046
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:30,480
it was probably twenty is more realistic from people who

1047
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:34,159
had worked on fuel tanks and airplanes. They said, no way,

1048
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:38,119
nohow could not have happened. And they said the spark,

1049
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:42,760
it is generated by this one element. He said, imagine

1050
00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:50,360
three fireflies hied together and jed a fuel. By the way,

1051
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,920
is you could drop a match into it without exploding it.

1052
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Speaker 9: Now the like, sorry, yeah, it's more like a heater.

1053
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:01,840
Well it's it's a person.

1054
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, lower flammability, I gather is the way they do it.

1055
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But I'm not an expert. However, fuel area, but there

1056
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you go.

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Speaker 4: One to vaporized by like an exterior explosion. Then and

1058
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then all that's are off and it becomes very.

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Speaker 3: Vunerable ed in Long Island. Thank you so much for

1060
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:21,719
your kind comments about the show and even more important

1061
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:23,719
being part of this show, as we call it, a

1062
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,599
theater of the mind. I wish you a great weekend

1063
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:28,559
and hope you'll be a continuance here on the Doctor

1064
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:31,920
Scott Experience. We go now to line number five, Robert

1065
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:36,360
in Philadelphia. He's a regular caller and obviously brings insightful commentary.

1066
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:38,400
You're on with Jack Cashall. Thanks for your.

1067
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 7: Patience, Hi, Doctor Stay, as always, is great to talk

1068
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to you, and I appreciate your wonderful guest.

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01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 7: I'm looking at it just logic, logically, and we know

1071
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,599
that there was one of them ages styled naval ships

1072
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,880
in there, whether they were doing tests or not. And

1073
01:00:55,559 --> 01:01:00,960
we know that only a president could get the CIA

1074
01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:04,199
to take over something that rightful belongs to the FBI

1075
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:09,519
and the NTSB. So who else would be responsible if

1076
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:13,039
it wasn't an accident? Why would they cover up just

1077
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:18,159
an accident? And is there anybody associated with not just

1078
01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:21,880
to cleanse but the entire administration on the passenger lift?

1079
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,079
And I'll hang up and listen to your thought and

1080
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:27,280
listen to your answer. Really appreciate you guys. Thank you

1081
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:27,840
very much.

1082
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 3: Thank you, Robert. I always appreciate your questions.

1083
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know the last question. First, there was no

1084
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,760
one on that plane who deserves is our own missile.

1085
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,199
So people say, have you chanced the passenger you know

1086
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,880
is yeah, but that's not the case. That's not like

1087
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:45,679
you don't take out a seven forty seven to kill

1088
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,679
one person. You could kill on the terminal. As to

1089
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:54,400
the the other part of the question, who authorizes the idea?

1090
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:57,280
You're right, that had to company to talk and it's

1091
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:02,320
so the problem was we should have this should have

1092
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,760
been busted immediately. But the New York Times was the

1093
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,599
only agency, the only news operation to which the FBI

1094
01:02:11,639 --> 01:02:14,480
would speak, and they were so jealous of that connection

1095
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:17,840
that they chose to do what the FBI told them

1096
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,719
to do, which meant they did not interview one single

1097
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:28,239
eye witness to the anyone who thought they saw a

1098
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,320
missile was off limits to The New York Times zero

1099
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:37,239
and so they never mentioned the CIA involvement up until

1100
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:41,320
the very end when CIA produces the stilly animation. So

1101
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,599
the failure of the New York Times would tell the

1102
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:46,639
truth about the story doom the story they could have

1103
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:49,440
busted in a week. They had chosen to.

1104
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 3: Let's do a deep dive on something here in the book,

1105
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,639
and I hope I have the name right, Terry Stacey.

1106
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:58,280
Apparently see residue here, and this is something when it

1107
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,719
goes back to some kind of an explosion of detonation,

1108
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,199
you know, outside the aircraft to bring it down. Not

1109
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:06,400
to be a scholar and explosives, but the point is

1110
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:12,199
RDX p ETN explosive residue these components of semtech or

1111
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,199
otherwise simply known as plastic explosives. But the difference is

1112
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:18,119
semtech and C four are not the same thing because

1113
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:21,440
C four does not contain PETN. Why do I know this?

1114
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,119
I'll tell the audience another time on that. But this

1115
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:27,199
is interesting. What's the story with this Terry Stacey? Was

1116
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:31,159
there indeed material that she actually got from a seatback?

1117
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,039
Or am I just a off measure.

1118
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,039
Speaker 4: On this one? In fact, that's where James Sanders got

1119
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:40,880
involved in Terry Staces Terry Stacey. You know, James Sanders'

1120
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,800
wife Elizabeth was the trainer for here Dua. She knew

1121
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,719
had to fight attendance on board and it was very

1122
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:50,639
They went to one memorial after another. At one of them,

1123
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,679
Elizabeth introduces Terry to her husband, Jim, who was an

1124
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:59,079
investigative reporter. And the first thing that Terry says to

1125
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:03,159
Jim is there's there's a cover up going on, and

1126
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:08,400
Terry's working inside the investigation, so he's feeding information to Jim.

1127
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,000
And then Terry says, there is a residue streak across

1128
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:17,639
like three aisles, just those three aisles, a reddish residuce

1129
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:22,159
strike against the seatbacks. So Jim says, you know, scrape

1130
01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:25,559
them off and I'll have it tested in an independent

1131
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:30,599
lab because the FBI was concealing the results the testing

1132
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:35,119
of what this was. And so Terry does to scrape

1133
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:37,920
it off, and he can't. He doesn't scrape, So it

1134
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:40,719
just takes a couple of chunks of foam rubber, I mean,

1135
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:46,360
little timmy chunks evidence Sanders yea, and Sanders hasn't tested

1136
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,119
and they've proved consistent with rocket field residue. And now

1137
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,000
here's the kicker, is that what they got him on.

1138
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:57,639
You refer to Earler to that that crash in the Everglades.

1139
01:04:57,679 --> 01:05:01,719
A couple of months prior after that crash, they passed

1140
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:04,599
a law saying if you're a if you're a scavenger

1141
01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:09,480
an airplane site, you can be arrested. Well, they arrested

1142
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:14,039
the Sanders and Stacy for stealing airplane parts, meaning these

1143
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:18,320
little pinches of foam rubber, and the fact that Jim

1144
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,639
was an investigative reporter was not allowed into evidence. So

1145
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:27,480
they went to trial and convicted them. And so that's

1146
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:30,599
that's how bad, how desperate they were to conceal the

1147
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:36,039
truth of this. Yeah, Jim took a piece of chunk

1148
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:40,480
to the IAS contact at CBS, who was Young Christine Emergency.

1149
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,960
They're getting it the truth, and they turned her down. Absolutely.

1150
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:46,239
Not only they turned her down, they called into the

1151
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,920
ci FBI and had Tom confiscate the trunk of phone number.

1152
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing. So the NTSB starts the investigation and the

1153
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:56,360
clamps come down. FBI gets it, and then it moves

1154
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,920
on to the CIA with bigger clamps. Right, and then

1155
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,440
we see a video that shows an ascending part the

1156
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:04,519
front nose, a big bulgy part. If you're not a

1157
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:06,960
seven forty seven, since this is theater of the mind,

1158
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,559
you'll have to check it out and look at a picture.

1159
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,800
If you've never seen one of these aircraft, and that's

1160
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,519
what we're supposed to believe. A center fuel tank ignition

1161
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,199
right outside fifteen thousand feet above the ocean, very close

1162
01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:21,000
to the shore, on its way across the ocean. An

1163
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,920
amazing story the video if you keep watching it, I

1164
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,639
keep repeating this because it's I think good for effect.

1165
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:29,920
The announcer of that keeps talking about center fuel tank,

1166
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,320
center fuel tank, center fuel tank. No airplane. Look, if

1167
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,639
you look at physics, obviously the nose of a seven

1168
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:39,920
forty seven, that piece breaks off. It doesn't have retro

1169
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,719
rockets to keep it going up in the sky, not

1170
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,440
at all. I got to bring this up in the

1171
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,159
limited time we have, and I just want to remind

1172
01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:48,519
everybody if you want to join us in this theater

1173
01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:50,840
of the mind, the Doctor Sky Experience one eight hundred

1174
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:53,320
eight four eight nine two to two two still time,

1175
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:56,519
and we hope that you'll be part of our excursion. Here,

1176
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,440
our adventure. Here's the story. I'd like you to talk

1177
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:02,239
more about it. It's interesting an article that you've written

1178
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back in June. What John Gotti knows about twa flight

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01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:08,639
eight hundred Wow, what a headline. Talk about it for

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a minute.

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01:07:09,719 --> 01:07:14,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. This is an interesting moment of my life.

1182
01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:19,239
I had gotten an email from the arts and entertainment

1183
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,960
producers who were wanted to do a documentary, and I

1184
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:25,320
neglected to look at the title of the documentary they

1185
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:30,280
were working on, right, So I they said, we'll call

1186
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,119
you if someone call you on your Thursday or whatever.

1187
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And I said sure. So they call on time. Call

1188
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,079
comes in and I said, Jack Cashle here just like

1189
01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:41,920
you know, casually. And the voice on the other end says,

1190
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this is John Gotti.

1191
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: And so I would have said, yeah, really, and I

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01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:50,119
try another.

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01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 4: Name and I and I said to myself and I

1194
01:07:54,440 --> 01:08:00,920
actually I thought, ay, John Gotti, you know. And I said, hey, John,

1195
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,440
tell me a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Good way to go, Jack, There you go.

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Speaker 4: And then he explains that he is the son of

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the Dapper Dawn John Gotti, and we have a point

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of common interest. And I think, what, I'm not going

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to name the guy in question. I don't get you know, Well,

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01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,119
let's just say that we'll call him Agent X. Okay

1202
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:29,880
at the Agent Agent X. He believes God. He believes

1203
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:32,760
was after a God. He gets out of prison in

1204
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,640
ninety nine, he asked if his father, if it's okay

1205
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,840
if he gets out of the family business, and the

1206
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,720
father says yeah. Father dies a few years later and

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John goes back to just trying to make a living

1208
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:47,319
as a suburban Long Island father. He got a family

1209
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,199
who's you know, they deserve a father is not in prison.

1210
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,319
And then about fifteen or so years later, Agent X

1211
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:59,560
decides to bring a Gotti back into court on a

1212
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,039
charge like a racketeering charger about twenty years old. In fact,

1213
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:06,039
this story is told in the movie Gotti. The stars

1214
01:09:06,119 --> 01:09:09,399
John Travolta Scotti if anyone wants to check that out,

1215
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:13,680
And so it turns out that he believes that Agent

1216
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:22,319
X was the same guy who falsified the second FBI

1217
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,039
three too two. One the very best eye witness I

1218
01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:29,079
Witness seventy three. And let me just introduce this. As

1219
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:32,600
I opened my book talking about Witness seventy three and

1220
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,600
about I think it was two thousand and nine, we're

1221
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,840
talking thirteen years after the crash. She calls me in

1222
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,119
my office and says, Jack, this is Witness seventy three.

1223
01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:45,479
Do you know who I am? I said, yeah, upside

1224
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,600
down Nike swoosh, and she goes, you're right. And because

1225
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,760
she had the best perspective of anyone. She was an

1226
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,479
aviation professional. She saw both the missile, she saw the plane.

1227
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,760
She saw the missile hit the plane perfectly broke out.

1228
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,760
The deconstruction of the airplane before the debris field confirmed

1229
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,279
what you saw. And I said, but tell me about

1230
01:10:07,279 --> 01:10:13,039
the second interview seventy three, because in that second interview,

1231
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,319
you know, you'd say that you were drinking Long Island

1232
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,159
iced teas, that you know, you maybe didn't see what

1233
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,319
you thought you saw, and that they wrote you off.

1234
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:25,119
She goes, well, let me start by telling you I

1235
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:28,359
don't know what a Long Island iced tea is, right,

1236
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,960
And I said, but I said, well, could it have

1237
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,840
been another drink? And she said no, because I don't

1238
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,119
drink at all. And then she said there's something you

1239
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:41,720
want to know. I said, what's that? She goes, there

1240
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,000
was no second interview, And then I said to her,

1241
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,640
you know you are one of at least four key

1242
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:54,479
eyewitnesses for whom either the FBI or the CIA manufactured

1243
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,760
a second interview to discredit your first interview.

1244
01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:59,199
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

1245
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:04,239
Speaker 4: Now, the name on the three O two it was

1246
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:10,439
dropped into her file is Agent X. And uh, and

1247
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,479
I know that Agent X was on the missile team

1248
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,880
and he was the one fighting to sustain the CIA's interpretation.

1249
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:23,960
John Gotti believes that Agent X was manufacturing evidence against

1250
01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:28,039
him as well to bring him back to court four trials.

1251
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,399
Agent X pushed through four miss trials and finally the

1252
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,840
judges said stop this. You know you're you're trying to

1253
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,000
convict an honest man here and so but you know,

1254
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:44,279
God obviously been thinking about that, and so we talked

1255
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:47,600
about a half hour. I was impressed by how much

1256
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,199
he knew about t W A eight.

1257
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:54,239
Speaker 3: Hundred amazing story. That is incredible, you know, And again

1258
01:11:54,279 --> 01:11:56,880
I know who Agent X is, and obviously for the sensitivity,

1259
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,760
we're not going to reveal that. And I don't blame

1260
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,039
you because it is rather the to just who knows.

1261
01:12:02,079 --> 01:12:04,079
I mean, that goes deeper, sure than we want to

1262
01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:06,319
go to right now. And I respect that anonymity on

1263
01:12:06,399 --> 01:12:08,880
your part. But this is interesting what I look at

1264
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,319
before we go to the break here in just a

1265
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:12,760
couple of moments again in the heartbreak, one of the

1266
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,279
best after reading your book and checking this out again,

1267
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:18,840
and I appreciate this. Mike Wire, the bridge worker, Yeah,

1268
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,920
he seems to be one, am I right in this check.

1269
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,600
He seems to be, in my opinion, one of the

1270
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,840
most credible of all the witnesses because of where he was,

1271
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,359
what he saw. Talk about Mike Wire for a moment.

1272
01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, First of all, Mike and I have become great

1273
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,399
friends over the years because we've worked on this stuff together.

1274
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,399
In fact, I'll see him next week when I'm going

1275
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:36,319
down the Jersey Shore.

1276
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:38,319
Speaker 3: There you go.

1277
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 4: He lives in Bucks County. Yeah, he was working on

1278
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,920
a bridge in West Hampton that night and he feels

1279
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,960
the bridge shake from what sounds like an exposure. He

1280
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:56,640
looks up, he captures everything, He sees everything, and you know,

1281
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,079
the plane comes up. He catches it come up from

1282
01:12:59,079 --> 01:13:02,319
behind the houses on the other side of the canal there,

1283
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,359
and he watches an arc over the same you know,

1284
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,640
first boom, boom, boom, third explosion, plane falls out of

1285
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,239
the sky. Perfect eye witness. And he's an army that,

1286
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,319
you know, no nonsense guy, mechanically inclined. I mean, so

1287
01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:25,079
he's not prone to fancy. And so the FNI interviews him,

1288
01:13:25,079 --> 01:13:29,399
he says what he saw, and then the CIA intervenes

1289
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,319
aunt and this when they see and this is all

1290
01:13:33,319 --> 01:13:36,720
in the documents that I have. The CIA is explaining

1291
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:41,399
now to the NTSP why Mike Weier wasn't a credible

1292
01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:45,199
eye witness. He was CIA witness number one. He was

1293
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:48,760
that important. He goes, well, you know, you know, he

1294
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,800
tells us the first time he thought he saw come

1295
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,399
up from behind the houses, but when we talked him

1296
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:58,119
the second time, he said that it was about twenty

1297
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:01,880
degrees above the horizon where he first saw the you know,

1298
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,000
the missile. But that's exactly where quite one hundred was

1299
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:07,840
at the time, So what he saw really was not

1300
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:12,399
an ascending missile, but rather the noseless airplane arcing up.

1301
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:16,159
Speaker 3: And Michael, Wow, what a distortion of right.

1302
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 4: And then when and here's where they went wrong. When

1303
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:24,840
the FBI was redacting the names off the three oh two's,

1304
01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:30,760
they missed wire. The person redacting it read it as

1305
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,159
like a regular word, the w ir right, and so

1306
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:36,960
the people at Accuracy and ME were able to trace

1307
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:41,279
Mike down. And then once they did, then they realized

1308
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:46,359
there was no second you know, the guy, the CIA

1309
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,439
guy seemed to have improvised it on the spot. Trying

1310
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,960
to explain to the NTSB because unlike with witness seventy three.

1311
01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:56,239
They never put a second three oh two into Mike's file.

1312
01:14:56,319 --> 01:14:57,560
There was only one as.

1313
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 3: The first one a mission of the CIA. What deceive

1314
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,119
And obviously this person's true testimony is either never secondarily interviewed,

1315
01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:08,840
he's not second early interviewed, or totally distorted from the fact.

1316
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:12,159
But here we go Witness six forty nine, Joseph del Goddam.

1317
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:15,279
He sees something. He's credible according to your reports. You

1318
01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:18,159
see Witness Tarl forty four and de Cairo at the

1319
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:21,359
Carlo sees a missile like object hit the airplane. How

1320
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,520
much more credible can that be? But ladies and gentlemen,

1321
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,800
we're going to have to take that momentary pause that

1322
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,399
refreshes and as we go to this hard break at

1323
01:15:29,399 --> 01:15:31,079
the bottom of the hour, what would you do, Jack

1324
01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:32,479
in the theater of the mind. You'd go to the

1325
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,479
snack bar right and hopefully enjoy just a few moments

1326
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,720
while we have an intermission. But seriously, folks, join us

1327
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,840
here on the Doctor Sky experience great guests as you

1328
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,079
tell us. If you'd like to email me, it's simply

1329
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:48,960
this Drsky at WABC radio dot com. And many thanks

1330
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,760
to owner and operator John katzimatitis. Forgive me the privileged

1331
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,239
honor of sitting behind this microphone and from the executive

1332
01:15:55,239 --> 01:15:58,920
staff Chad Lopez, obviously a radio station in the know

1333
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,600
and on the growth. Will continue with your questions and

1334
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,159
comments and much more here on the mystery of tw

1335
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:08,039
eight hundred, the crash, to cover up and the conspiracy

1336
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:11,880
our special guest, Jack Cashaw. We will be right back.

1337
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Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience entertaining and informative.

1338
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,079
Speaker 1: On the Red Apple Podcast Network.

1339
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience is on the air seventy seven WABC.

1340
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,920
Now here's Doctor Sky.

1341
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:40,239
Speaker 13: Hi, this is Wayne new and you are listening to

1342
01:16:40,279 --> 01:16:45,960
the Doctor Sky Show. Always remember your eyes to the sky,

1343
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:47,039
bless you.

1344
01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 3: Number of miles flown for the seven forty seven fleet

1345
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:56,520
to day approximately fifty seven billion miles space travel equivalent

1346
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,479
one hundred and thirty seven thousand round trips to the Moon,

1347
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:02,760
and the total estimated number of passages flown to date

1348
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:07,199
five point nine billion souls, almost eighty percent of the

1349
01:17:07,279 --> 01:17:10,960
current world population. We continue with our special guests. All

1350
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,920
guests are special here on the Doctor Sky Experience in

1351
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,960
what we call the Theater of the Mind. Jack Cashell,

1352
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:19,479
author of many books, We concentrate on the tragedy thirty

1353
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,479
years later, no real answers to twa eight hundred, the crash,

1354
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,760
the cover up, and the conspiracy jack amazing and would

1355
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,560
like to excuse me, have you back in the future

1356
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,520
on this subject as more information comes to the forefront.

1357
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,279
Let's talk about some of these theories and you can dispel.

1358
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:39,039
You dispel them as we get them. Sure, bomb on board,

1359
01:17:39,159 --> 01:17:43,640
no real credible evidence. Excuse me for anything in that regard, right,

1360
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:44,600
that's been discounted.

1361
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 4: It was a big theory. However, you know what's interesting

1362
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,079
is that for the first month of the investigation, the

1363
01:17:51,159 --> 01:17:54,239
FBI steered the New York Times into believing there was

1364
01:17:54,279 --> 01:17:57,560
a bomb. So on August twenty third, now we're five

1365
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,359
weeks in the headline above a poll New York Times

1366
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:06,479
Prime Evidence found that explosive device on board Desroy's airplane.

1367
01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:11,960
Next to it was like Clinton signs welfare reform though,

1368
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:14,600
so one of those headlines that ago, and it was

1369
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:19,720
the bomb one. But the bomb was less scary than missile,

1370
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:22,920
and you could control for a bomb, you know, it

1371
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,920
could do better screening or whatever. But then they switched.

1372
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,640
They realized that they improvised this whole thing. Then they

1373
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,359
realized didn't even need a bomb. They could just call

1374
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:33,760
it a mechanical failure, which they did about a month later,

1375
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,720
and then they went with mechanical failure thereafter.

1376
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,039
Speaker 3: Amazing, What about this the man pad shoulder fired missile

1377
01:18:41,039 --> 01:18:44,439
allegedly out on the ocean somewhere, terrorist boat, terrorist missile

1378
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,760
to this as far as something hitting.

1379
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,159
Speaker 4: Not in terms of the missile taking out the airplane. However,

1380
01:18:52,199 --> 01:18:54,319
you know, I was on a show yesterday with Al Francis,

1381
01:18:54,319 --> 01:18:57,600
a twury captain. He believe, and it's not a far

1382
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:02,399
fetched theory at all, that the missile that that the

1383
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,319
Navy fired was fired at not at a drone, but

1384
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:11,560
at either a a missile fire from a boat in

1385
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:16,800
the in the Atlantic there or at it, you know,

1386
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:23,199
or at a a explosive lade in aircraft designed to

1387
01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:28,600
take out seven forty seven you know. And so in

1388
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,239
other words, he's saying that the Navy did not miss fire,

1389
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,359
they fired at this other object, and there are the

1390
01:19:35,399 --> 01:19:37,600
aging systems are designed to do that to take out

1391
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:42,600
the other missiles. Sure, but that you know it tracked

1392
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,279
onto t to grade hundred and blew it up. That's

1393
01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:47,920
not out of the question at all, But we both

1394
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,880
agree on al Francis and I were no one else

1395
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,560
follows it more closely than we had agreed. There was

1396
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,199
a naval missile that took out T grade hundred.

1397
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 3: Well, just to set the record straight here again RPG seven's,

1398
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,920
which are obviously rocket propelled grenades, that's a different story,

1399
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:06,319
much lower obviously ability to shoot in distance. But even

1400
01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:09,479
these man pads like they have today even more advanced

1401
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,640
than then. So are you're saying, I mean, am I

1402
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,479
hearing it clear that it's more than likely that it's

1403
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,520
not something that they would fire shoulder fired from a

1404
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,680
boat off the ocean. It more than likely has to

1405
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,439
be a much more powerful rocket because from what I'm eating,

1406
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,279
man pads don't necessarily run. And again, this is back

1407
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:26,840
in nineteen ninety six, all the way up to fifteen

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01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,520
thousand feet or maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, I would say.

1409
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 4: I know you're right. I mean it's hard to be.

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I mean, maybe under the right flooky circumstances they could

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01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,119
do it. It's actually a thirteen five or whatever. But

1412
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,640
you know, I do believe. And this is kind of

1413
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:46,800
interesting because it goes back to the Iran factor. He

1414
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,680
believes that I think, as I interpret him right, that

1415
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,600
it was a state sponsored terrorist act on a more

1416
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,039
powerful missile than a manpad that is, you know, is

1417
01:20:59,039 --> 01:21:04,520
probably a stable boat launched missile. And you have to

1418
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:09,359
remember that eight years earlier, we accidentally blew a a

1419
01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:13,079
Iranian air bus out of the sky and killed three hundred.

1420
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,239
Speaker 3: I remember the day. It sounded like it was yesterday.

1421
01:21:15,359 --> 01:21:16,159
That's a sad thing.

1422
01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:20,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean they had their reasons. I suppose

1423
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,319
two days before the Olympics. You know, I know it's face.

1424
01:21:23,359 --> 01:21:25,479
We've been at war with Iran for forty seven years.

1425
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,560
People who want to make believe that's not true are

1426
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,119
denying the evidence. Here's what we also know is that

1427
01:21:33,399 --> 01:21:35,840
thinking it was a terrorist attack, the people in the

1428
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:40,199
situation room, before they got all the information, were contemplating

1429
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:43,840
what they called the Eisenhower option, which was a massive

1430
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:48,279
missile attack on Iran. They believed that Iran was the

1431
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:49,079
culprit A.

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Speaker 3: Month back then, I mean, tensions were tight. I mean,

1433
01:21:52,319 --> 01:21:54,359
obviously we can go back into history and look at

1434
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:57,279
the capture of our Americans over there with the original

1435
01:21:57,359 --> 01:21:58,880
called a month earlier.

1436
01:21:59,279 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 4: We do know that Iran was responsible for the bombing

1437
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:06,319
of the Cobar Towers, an American base in Saudi Arabia,

1438
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:11,399
killing killing nineteen Americans. So it was about two weeks

1439
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,359
after the incident, Clinton did interview of this historian named

1440
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,920
Taylor Branch in which he told him at that time

1441
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:21,880
and Branch would promise not to publish any of this

1442
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,960
for ten years that it was he believed it was

1443
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:27,720
an Iranian missile that took out the plane.

1444
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 3: Totally amazing. Let's continue with the callers. We appreciate their patience.

1445
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,319
Let's now go to line four Walt Iran and Yunkers

1446
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:36,680
with Jack Cashell.

1447
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 14: Good morning to you, evenings or good morning gentlemen.

1448
01:22:40,039 --> 01:22:43,359
Speaker 15: I somehow have a minor connection with both TWA eight

1449
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,840
hundred and nine to eleven. As a naval reservist with

1450
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,760
dual membership in the State Naval Militia, I was got

1451
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,319
active duty call up to go to a furtherheadlong aland

1452
01:22:55,399 --> 01:22:59,319
at the National Guard Armory where the Naval Militia had

1453
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:04,880
responsibil basically taking charge of the debris as it was

1454
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:09,199
brought on board from the US Navy. And we had

1455
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:13,000
a briefing by Colonel Intenni, who was the commander at

1456
01:23:13,039 --> 01:23:17,079
the Armory and basically told us that whatever speculation ideas

1457
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,079
you might have is just keep your mouth shut. But

1458
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,359
I do remember on the night that the plane got

1459
01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:24,520
shot down, there was always many reports of a missile

1460
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:30,840
going up. So fast forward that to September eleventh, and

1461
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,720
I was teaching in one of the suburbs and the

1462
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,840
security guard comes in and tells me, hey, Walt planets

1463
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,520
hit the World Trade Center, And without even thinking, I

1464
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,680
said f Ford in front of my class.

1465
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:44,520
Speaker 4: Bin Laden.

1466
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,199
Speaker 15: Turns out that we had some neighbors across the street

1467
01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:50,479
from where I live who were of shall we say,

1468
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,880
Middle Eastern descent. They suddenly left the house that they

1469
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:59,439
were renting on September the tenth, and of course we

1470
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:06,119
made wherever they went to. And it turns out that

1471
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:10,800
I've called a local police person I know, and I

1472
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,319
got home from school and state police, local police, FBI

1473
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,239
checked that house out and according to a neighbor over

1474
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:24,039
discussing the investigators there saying that they had found plans

1475
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:28,479
in that rental house to blow up George Washington Bridge.

1476
01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:33,119
So my speculation is that bin Laden or Iranians or

1477
01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:36,399
somebody said, look, we blow up their plane. The Americans

1478
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,960
do nothing. We blow up their embassy with the Americans

1479
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:40,439
do nothing.

1480
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 4: What do we have to do to.

1481
01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 15: Get their attention? Let's blow up World Trade Center?

1482
01:24:46,319 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 3: You know something, Well, you bring up really first. Thanks

1483
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,079
for your service, but in limited time here. It also

1484
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:55,039
reminds me, right, Jack, of Operation Bojinka use airplanes as

1485
01:24:55,079 --> 01:24:59,159
weapons of destruction. All brings up some conversational points. Go ahead, Jack,

1486
01:24:59,319 --> 01:25:00,000
I'm sorry to cut you.

1487
01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. In Operation Bojinka, which was KSM. Ramsey Usepa operation,

1488
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,079
was busted in Manila, I think in ninety five. They

1489
01:25:10,119 --> 01:25:14,279
had plans to do two things. One the most ambitious

1490
01:25:14,319 --> 01:25:17,720
one was the plant bombs on like a dozen airliners

1491
01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:20,359
going across the Pacific and they were all going to

1492
01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:23,359
Bowl at the same time. The other one, a little

1493
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:26,720
more practical, was to charter a plane, take a charter

1494
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,520
plane and stuff it with explosives and attack an American

1495
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,760
target like I don't know which. The targets weren't designated, but.

1496
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 3: They could like a pre nine to eleven, right with

1497
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:39,119
commercial airlines.

1498
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,279
Speaker 4: That's right. Or they could have just tried to do

1499
01:25:41,319 --> 01:25:43,920
it to take out of a commercial airline like I said,

1500
01:25:44,079 --> 01:25:49,000
forty seven. So, but Bojinka was real Ramsey u Sef

1501
01:25:49,079 --> 01:25:53,479
was imprisoned at the Metropolitan Communication a correction Center in

1502
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:59,279
Manhattan at that time. And khoalie Chik Muhammad, you know

1503
01:25:59,359 --> 01:26:03,239
the I know other mastermind was deeply involved in that

1504
01:26:03,319 --> 01:26:06,359
as well. So they all had bad actors out there.

1505
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,199
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I gather Ramsey Yusef. I think something he said,

1506
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:11,640
I guess and tell me if I'm right on this.

1507
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,000
I think I read it somewhere in the back of

1508
01:26:13,039 --> 01:26:15,880
my mind. I remember the first World Trade Center bombing.

1509
01:26:16,279 --> 01:26:18,600
They get him, and then all of a sudden he says, yeah,

1510
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,720
he said, we didn't take the buildings down this time,

1511
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:22,479
but we will.

1512
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,520
Speaker 4: Fact You're actually right, because what they did is the

1513
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,399
in the ninety three World Trades in aer bombing, in

1514
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,319
which I think about a half dozen people were killed.

1515
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:36,479
But their goal was to have one building topple over

1516
01:26:37,039 --> 01:26:42,640
into the other, right, And they made some mistakes. For

1517
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,880
one thing, they rented the car and gave their real

1518
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,800
IDs when they rented the van, right, and they were

1519
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,560
able to bust them quickly. But the other thing is

1520
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,760
that the place they parked the car, I parked their van,

1521
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:02,359
but DI supposes was parked in the more strategic place

1522
01:27:02,399 --> 01:27:05,159
they might have even succeeded in what they were hoping

1523
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:07,680
to do. They were totally disappointed at the outcome.

1524
01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:12,039
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and using aircraft as weapons of war is certainly

1525
01:27:12,079 --> 01:27:14,479
something our government knew about for quite a long time,

1526
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,039
and not to be able to stick a dart on

1527
01:27:17,079 --> 01:27:20,640
somebody in any administration. I think the Clinton administration knew

1528
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,119
about this, even if they didn't act. Yes, the Bush

1529
01:27:23,159 --> 01:27:25,359
administration in their daily briefing.

1530
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 4: I know from Buzz Patterson because he carried the documents

1531
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,279
around that Clinton had seen the Bojinka plans and signed

1532
01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:37,279
off on him. And personally, I think that's what Sandy

1533
01:27:37,279 --> 01:27:40,239
Berger was looking for when he risked his career in

1534
01:27:40,319 --> 01:27:44,560
his very freedom to pill for documents from the National Archives.

1535
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 3: Well, it goes deeper than that, I guess, and I'm

1536
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,039
just remembering this. Sandy Berger. Of course, allegedly you or

1537
01:27:50,079 --> 01:27:54,159
factually steals government documents, maybe on this particular episode of

1538
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:56,680
t W eight hundred and let me get specific, in

1539
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,680
his underwear and socks. Is that a fair assessment? Oh

1540
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:00,319
my god, out our.

1541
01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:04,159
Speaker 4: House, stuck him down there, stuck him down there, took

1542
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:06,239
him back, took them back in a minutely took him

1543
01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:11,000
back through the department and shredded them and cover up

1544
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:17,800
cover up a regional state secret original documents. The do

1545
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:23,239
OJ nominally under George Bushman, being run by Democratic lifers.

1546
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,359
I recommend a ten thousand dollars fine for that act.

1547
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 3: That's crazy, Jack. We're up against the break. I hate

1548
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,880
to cut people short, but you know, in the cay,

1549
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,600
in the in the space time continuum, the clock rules.

1550
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,560
We'll be right back more with Jack Cashell and Line who,

1551
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,520
Eduardo and Tampa. Stay there if you can, because we'll

1552
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,239
get you on the air, and Kevin in Long Island,

1553
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:45,479
anybody else will try to get you into the top

1554
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,600
of the hour. Will conclude with what we really think

1555
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,720
from the author's perspective, Jack Cashell, what really happened on

1556
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,760
that date back in nineteen ninety six here on the

1557
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,079
Doctor Sky Experience. We'll be right back.

1558
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience entertaining and informative.

1559
01:29:03,399 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: On the Red Apple Podcast Network.

1560
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience is on the air seventy seven WABC.

1561
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:21,720
Now Here's Doctor Sky.

1562
01:29:26,039 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 13: You don't know who this is.

1563
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 16: This is Ada Lewis, better known as Grandpa Munster and

1564
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,920
whenever I'm in that lovely City Phoenix you know what

1565
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,159
I do. I listen to doctor Sky. You know why,

1566
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:56,600
because I want to keep my head above the clouds.

1567
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: In memory of al Lewis, a good friend of mine

1568
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,359
and many of you. Forty eight minutes after the hour,

1569
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,520
we continue with Jack Cashall equally important are the people

1570
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,920
who are Let's go to line number two, ed waterdo

1571
01:30:02,039 --> 01:30:04,279
and Tampa. You're on with Jack Cashell.

1572
01:30:04,399 --> 01:30:08,119
Speaker 14: Good morning, yeah, Doctor Sky and Jacob thank you for

1573
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:09,680
sake of my car. A couple of things here. I

1574
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:13,800
don't know if you think these are realistic points. First,

1575
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,199
regarding nine to eleven, I think some of these people

1576
01:30:17,239 --> 01:30:19,439
that were in Florida they didn't want to learn how

1577
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,800
to land planes. And how really stick is it to

1578
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,560
have lasers on all these planes? Your environment is a

1579
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:33,199
new medical company that was doing I just saw this

1580
01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:37,840
on sixteen minutes testing on drones, and I've seen lasers

1581
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,119
shot out of the ships, the Navy ships. So why

1582
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,840
in twenty twenty six we don't have lasers on airplanes?

1583
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 3: Interesting? There you go.

1584
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 4: No, that's a good question. I can't answer that. But

1585
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:53,479
by the way, my grandchildren live in Tampa. Love this city.

1586
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:59,119
I get there eight times a year. Probably beautiful Okay, yeah, no,

1587
01:30:59,359 --> 01:31:01,800
I don't I can't answer that intelligently, Edward, right, I

1588
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:02,239
don't know.

1589
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,560
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Edward. I always appreciate you. On the

1590
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,159
Doctor's Guy Experience. Let's go to line number five, Kevin'sman

1591
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:10,479
patient in Long Island. You're on with Jack Cashel.

1592
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,199
Speaker 4: Good morning to you, Good morning, great show. I love you.

1593
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 17: On Sunday with doctor Casaman Titis. I live on Long Island.

1594
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,000
I've talked to enough people. That was definitely a missile.

1595
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,640
Was it a shoulder fired? Was it on purpose? Was

1596
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,239
it an accident? But more importantly, sir, I do request

1597
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:32,920
your scientific explanation. How is the plane possible a TWA

1598
01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:35,600
seven forty seven to go more than five hundred miles

1599
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:40,119
an hour at a ground level? Where was the plane

1600
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:43,960
the Pentagon hitting the Pentagon? Where are the engines? Where

1601
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,199
is your scientific explanations for nine to eleven?

1602
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:46,520
Speaker 4: Please?

1603
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,119
Speaker 9: I know this is a sensitive subject, but how is

1604
01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:51,760
it possible that in Pennsylvania you don't see the plane?

1605
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:57,600
Where was the passengers in the luggage in the Pentagon?

1606
01:31:58,079 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 4: Show us the.

1607
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,319
Speaker 9: Plane, forget about the Allian planes. Show us the plane going.

1608
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 3: Across that lawn.

1609
01:32:04,359 --> 01:32:07,079
Speaker 9: Believe that a plane hit the Pentagon. Where's the evidence?

1610
01:32:07,159 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 4: The evidence?

1611
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 3: You're right? Physics, Kevin, You're so right. I've watched this

1612
01:32:11,119 --> 01:32:13,159
and how many times have we seen an alleged video

1613
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:16,319
of the flight that hits the Pentagon? You're right? I

1614
01:32:16,359 --> 01:32:18,680
mean you see the cold that it made. Where's the aluminum?

1615
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,560
Where where's the engines? As you describe? But Jack, your

1616
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,199
thoughts on that, because they are these great mysteries. I mean,

1617
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,680
it's incredible. Tell us more, Jack, if.

1618
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 4: You well, I'm gonna I'm going to disappoint people here

1619
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,840
because I'm so speak conspiracy theorists. But the one guy

1620
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,720
I trust, the guy named General Ben Parton. He was

1621
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:39,039
the dissenting voice in Oklahoma City, Okay. He risked his

1622
01:32:39,119 --> 01:32:41,960
career to say a truck bomb did not cause all

1623
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:47,159
this damage. He, however, was at the Pentagon that day

1624
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,079
and he said, I had body parts in my hand.

1625
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:54,640
I had uniforms in my hand. Anyone who tells me

1626
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,239
the plane did not hit this building doesn't know what

1627
01:32:57,279 --> 01:33:00,520
they're talking about. And now I trust him and pardon

1628
01:33:01,039 --> 01:33:06,520
over someone else's opinion, because I know he's capable of

1629
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,119
going out an edge to tell the truth.

1630
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:11,520
Speaker 3: I know it's so sad because the flight that did

1631
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,560
hit the Pentagon as we're talking about here, Obviously there

1632
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,279
is some speculation out there where are all the parts?

1633
01:33:18,319 --> 01:33:20,680
But I guess when you're traveling that fast and you

1634
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,680
hit something solid like that, there's probably not much left

1635
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,319
at all. As you see the damage from the aerial

1636
01:33:26,359 --> 01:33:29,439
photography of that. It's crazy. But Kevin, thank you. We

1637
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,119
bring up all kinds of different opinions, and we certainly

1638
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:34,760
respect everybody as long as we talk about it right

1639
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,479
and what we consider to be critical thinking in dialogue.

1640
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:39,600
But let me ask you this before the clock runs out.

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Your theory as we get to the end of the show,

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what did happen in Jack Cashall's opinion here with CWA

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01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,880
eight hundred. What's the latest information that you could tell

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01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,239
this audience and what caused this at least at this.

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01:33:51,239 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: Point in time.

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01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 4: Well, I would say the smoking gun for me is

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01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,119
the t of the PS three. How it is the

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P three Rather, it was flying directly overhead flight orion,

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01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:08,760
and it was functioning as kind of an a wax

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that it was this coordinating information among the members of

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this battle group, which included both submarines and cruisers. So

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01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:20,279
you know, they would communicate to the P three, send

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01:34:20,319 --> 01:34:23,800
the signal back down to the other entities. It was

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01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:30,840
right there. It wasn't there for a terrorist, you know.

1655
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,840
And back after the event, immediately after the event, it

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01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,560
flew down the South New Jersey to do a routine

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01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,159
sub hunt. You know, does that No, it was there

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01:34:42,199 --> 01:34:46,640
for the sake of coordinating a missile test. This the

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01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:49,760
really sharpest guy, and this is the guy who's led

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01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,800
the suit Quick versus raytheon, a physicist named Tom Stalkup

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01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,680
who's been working this case for thirty years. He and

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01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,960
I come to the exact same conclusion from different avenues,

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01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:07,119
technical skills meet from deducing information from all the various

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01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:08,520
variables involved.

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Speaker 3: So in summary, it's one of ours, a missile with

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01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:15,279
a misguided situation. There looked at this aircraft or somehow

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01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,920
it was you know, I did, and somehow they didn't

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01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:23,159
recognize it was a commercial airliner. And for whatever who knows.

1669
01:35:23,159 --> 01:35:25,960
Beyond that you've given us your opinion. Let's try to

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go to one more caller before we go ahead and

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01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:29,920
close out the show line Number two step in New Jersey.

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01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:31,399
You'll have to be brief, but you're on the air

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01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:32,520
with Jack Cashall's boyead.

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01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 18: Yeah, hello, doctor scuy And here's my comment for the guests.

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01:35:37,319 --> 01:35:40,840
Pierre Salinger. As a result of this right and his theory,

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01:35:41,039 --> 01:35:44,920
he went from being the press secretary for the great

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01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,199
JFK and overnight when he came forward with his theory

1678
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:53,520
that it was an iron missile, they savaged him, media

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01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,840
and the Clinton administration. He was never the same after that.

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01:35:57,119 --> 01:35:57,960
What do you think about that?

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01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, they ruined his career. In November of

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01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:06,720
nineteen ninety six, before anyone had settled on the final

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01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:09,680
theory of what happened, the New York Times ran four

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01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:15,159
articles mocking Pierre Sallenger and with headlines like, Hey, Pierre,

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01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:17,800
is that a Masonic flag on the moon. That's a

1686
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,560
real headline. And before that, you're right, he was the

1687
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,720
legendary press secretary for JFK. He had been a secretary,

1688
01:36:27,279 --> 01:36:31,560
I mean, a senator from California, and he was a

1689
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:37,279
widely respected international public relasions consultant. After that, he was

1690
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:39,520
put out the pastors.

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01:36:40,199 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 3: Well, Steve, thank you for your commentary. You're spot on

1692
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,199
on that. And even more important than anything I could

1693
01:36:45,239 --> 01:36:47,720
ever say is the tributed memorial to the two hundred

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01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,920
and thirty souls that perished on that night some thirty

1695
01:36:51,039 --> 01:36:55,199
years ago, and that the families relatives that still live

1696
01:36:55,279 --> 01:36:58,720
with this in their mind. Again, Jack, I really appreciate

1697
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,039
you twa eighth under it, behind the cover up and conspiracy.

1698
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,479
I'd like to do this in the future with you.

1699
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:07,279
You're such a broad based author. One book if you

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01:37:07,359 --> 01:37:08,920
describe it, and I know it's not fair if we

1701
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,920
have them in it or so, Ashley, the Untold Story

1702
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,000
of the Women of January sixth, just give us a

1703
01:37:14,039 --> 01:37:16,279
quick look see and we'll have you on as long

1704
01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:18,760
as you would agree to talk more about these books

1705
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,800
about American exceptionalism and the mysteries that we need to

1706
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:22,319
hear about.

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01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:25,600
Speaker 4: Well, you know, in that book, I covered ten women

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01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,439
who went to Washington. I to coover why they went,

1709
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,560
what the day was like, what they experienced just in

1710
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,079
quick summer, and I just chose them almost at random. Amazingly,

1711
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:39,199
all ten agree. I can't say that all the eight

1712
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:43,239
of the ten who lived agreed to cooperate with me,

1713
01:37:43,319 --> 01:37:46,079
I said Ashley aboub Ittt's mother. Two of those women

1714
01:37:46,119 --> 01:37:50,560
were killed by the queas and the other eight of

1715
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:54,800
the other eight, all of them were incarcerated and the

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01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,239
worst crime any of them committed was to break a window,

1717
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,479
and that woman got born is in prison. The other

1718
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:06,159
eight all just wandered around inside the capital Saint prayers

1719
01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:11,359
or taking snab selfies and they all were incarcerated.

1720
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,399
Speaker 3: Wow. Other than and other words that those that perished.

1721
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, some of them were still in prison when

1722
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,399
the Trump took over and part in it. But two

1723
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:29,640
of the women who were killed Roseanne Boil when asked Ababbo,

1724
01:38:30,279 --> 01:38:33,960
and the other eight all went to prison. And when

1725
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,279
you look at the nature of their crime and the

1726
01:38:36,359 --> 01:38:38,920
time they had to serve, you see that there was

1727
01:38:39,279 --> 01:38:42,760
one of the is the greatest mass injustice on American

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01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:44,960
soil since Japanese internment.

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01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 3: Wow, powerful Jack will have to have you back. But

1730
01:38:49,039 --> 01:38:50,560
I'm going to get a yes or no from you.

1731
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:52,720
Was that fine by you that we can do this again?

1732
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:54,319
Speaker 4: I hope it is a young Yeah, I mean it's

1733
01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:56,840
I have to do it at night where I can

1734
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,279
forward to stay up till two am.

1735
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:02,079
Speaker 3: Appreciate it unless you fly to Hawaii and spend the

1736
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:03,239
time doing the interview for you.

1737
01:39:03,319 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, all right, can't I live in Kansas City.

1738
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:05,960
When I'm back in Kansas City.

1739
01:39:06,079 --> 01:39:09,079
Speaker 3: Is only one am will work it out, but I

1740
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:11,399
do thank you Jack Cashell. Tell us again in substack

1741
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:12,479
how do they get in touch with you?

1742
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 4: And hopefully substack dot com the best way to do it.

1743
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,600
I subspect dot com and just look for Jack Cashell.

1744
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,920
I would say this, if you have very special information

1745
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,920
about eight hundred, you can go to my website cashal

1746
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,119
dot com and they'll say you how to contact me.

1747
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,199
Speaker 3: I think that's great and I'm sure you'll get a

1748
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:33,960
lot of response because the mystery still continues here and

1749
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,439
we're reriligient honored to have you as a guest right here.

1750
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,279
So thank you. Blessings to you and everyone else who's

1751
01:39:39,319 --> 01:39:42,000
called the Doctor Sky Experience as we talk about these

1752
01:39:42,039 --> 01:39:44,239
great subjects that you tell us ladies and gentlemen that

1753
01:39:44,279 --> 01:39:47,680
you're of interest, the subjects of astronomy, space, aviation, weather,

1754
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,239
celebrity guests, stories of American exceptionalism, and what about the

1755
01:39:51,239 --> 01:39:54,640
great mysteries fitting in with TWA eight hundred, the crash,

1756
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,359
the cover up, and the conspiracy. Thank you so much,

1757
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,079
Jack Cashell. We'll do it again, and blessings to you

1758
01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:01,680
in your family. Thanks for being one boy.

1759
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 4: Well thanks for having me.

1760
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:06,279
Speaker 3: Boy's a pleasure. Ladies and gentlemen, don't forget as immediately

1761
01:40:06,319 --> 01:40:09,000
after this show, stay tuned to the talk radio seventy

1762
01:40:09,039 --> 01:40:12,640
seven w ABC for another side of Midnight with Lionel

1763
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,560
as he takes you into the early morning hours, just

1764
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,680
at the time that the sun is popping up. And

1765
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:20,039
don't forget we're in the dog days of summer. What

1766
01:40:20,079 --> 01:40:23,119
the heck is that again? July three to August eleventh.

1767
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:25,640
Where do we get the name from. It's the rising

1768
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,159
of the brightest star in the heavens, called Sirius the

1769
01:40:28,199 --> 01:40:32,399
dog Star. The ancient Egyptians use this and monitored that

1770
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,399
is their agricultural cycles. They call it the heli goal

1771
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:40,039
rising of serious hot, sultry days of summer. As you

1772
01:40:40,039 --> 01:40:43,439
would expect, it has an astronomical connection. And we do

1773
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:48,000
appreciate our helmsman, both Bill and Jackson, for making sure

1774
01:40:48,039 --> 01:40:50,359
that you get on the air that everybody can be

1775
01:40:50,399 --> 01:40:54,520
heard clearly in the critical thinking and dialogue mannerisms of

1776
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,319
which we do the show, a show that we call

1777
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:01,479
the Doctor Sky Experience. Tomorrow we'll be talking with someone

1778
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:04,720
about the subject of consciousness, the Book of Heaven. An

1779
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,920
interesting woman Ashley. She's going to be on our radio

1780
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:10,119
show and in hour number two we're going to go

1781
01:41:10,199 --> 01:41:13,439
aviation again and talk with an aviation legend, the great

1782
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:17,439
book author like Jack Cashell, this one Bill Jennie, talking

1783
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:20,319
all about some of the mysteries of this new Air

1784
01:41:20,319 --> 01:41:23,119
Force one and what happened when President Trump boarded the

1785
01:41:23,159 --> 01:41:26,159
older one and not the new one. And also about

1786
01:41:26,319 --> 01:41:30,479
American railroads, the history of great American exceptionalism. Stories you

1787
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,800
might want to know and didn't know. On the Doctor

1788
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,039
Sky Experiments, Clear Sky is good Health. We'll seek you

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01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:37,239
en Listen the twenty.

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Speaker 4: Four months.

1791
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:46,199
Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience entertaining and informative

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