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adventure this morning, something that's near and dear to so
many people, the mystery of t W A eight hundred,
what happened to that flight some thirty years ago July seventeenth,
nineteen ninety six, Still searching for the truth. But also
we'd like to welcome you to the dog days of summer,
as if you needed a reminder from me, July three
to August eleventh is classified as the dog days of summer.
And you may be wondering why. It's the rising before
the sun of the brightest star in the heavens. The
star is serious, the dog star in the constellation Knus Major.
So hot sultry days of summer obviously are here another
great heat dome coming to the Midwest to affect some
thirty three million people, and all this courtesy of a
super strong El Nino one of course, that not only
here in this particular area of the United States, but
affecting other parts of the world. The Eastern Pacific typhoon
Bobby continues to pound the Marianas Islands. Just wait and
see what's in store. The special show that we put
together with you is about an author named Jack Cashell
and many of his books. One of them will be
talking about t WA eight hundred, the crash, the cover up,
and the conspiracy. And many of you listening to this
in the New York metro area, I'm sure we'll want
to chime in and offer your explanation or your actual
eye witness accounts of that very tragic event hard to
believe some thirty years ago. Who's her guest, It's Jack Casual.
Independent writer and producer Jack Cashell has written a dozen
non fiction books and appeared on Sea SPAN's Book ten
TV ten times. He also produced a score of feature
length documentaries. Jack serves as executive editor of Ingram's Magazine.
He writes regularly for American Thinker, American Spectator, and World
Net Daily, and as all written for The Wall Street Journal, Fortune,
The Washington Post, and The Weekly Standard. Jack is a
PhD from Purdue University and the American Studies and is
taught at a French university on the university that is
under the auspices of the Fulbright program. Here to learn
so much about the mysteries of this thirty years later,
Jack Cashell, welcome to the Doctor Sky Experience. Thank you
for spending time with us. We appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Hey, doctor Skuy, thanks for having me so sore. Like
a homecoming for me since I grew up listening to WABC.
Speaker 3: Absolutely my friend a powerhouse signal as I like to
talk about, and it'll continue on into infinity. I'm sure
many people around the world like yourself. I grew up
in the New York metro area and I had a
little tiny transistor radio maybe five dollars. My parents had
to take the earphone out of my ear here and
say turn that radio off, and I said, no, I
like to listen to this station. So Jack, this is amazing.
Speaker 4: You grew up. We grew up.
Speaker 3: I was born in Jamaica, Queens, and we moved all
over the place Jozone Park, Jackson Heights, and then we
escaped over to New Jersey and now I'm here in Phoenix.
Speaker 4: Because I grew up in York, New Jersey, and in fact,
I wrote a book about that experience. It's called Untenable,
which I'd recommend for people who grew up in that
part of the world. Is because it's a story that
no one else wanted to tell.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jack, again, an honor to have you here. Jack's
website cashual dot com.
Speaker 4: It is c A.
Speaker 3: S hil dot com. And if we do have time, Jack,
in these two hours and this adventure, as we call
it in the theater of the Mind, we'd like to
maybe talk a little bit and give people some summaries
so you're in the know on these subjects and they are,
of course too. Let's start with this event. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Sure. I would just say instead of referring people to
my website, I'd rather you refer to my substat base,
which is where I actively produced. Now I'm published, and
it is just going to substack dot com and look
up Jack Cashall and you'll find.
Speaker 3: It the best of the best technology.
Speaker 4: There you go, sir, you go, yeah, it's a great service.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jack, this is amazing. I had you on a
show that I did literally ten years ago when the
book came out, the first edition, talking about this tragic
event and it was great because the phone line is
lit up here in the New York I mean, sculd
me in the Phoenix area. And I'm sure this will continue.
But Jack, take us back to this particular time. I
rather not read this from things like Wikipedia. You're the
experienced person in the room here in the theater of
your mind. Talk about this and what got you intrigued
in this whole story. I mean, it's so fascinating and
so tragic with no answers to this date.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'll tell you how I got involved because
I didn't get involved right away. And when THEA Flight
eight hundreds occurred, I was living in Kansas City and
I didn't I don't recall having a oh ge moment,
you know where I said, my gosh, this this had
to be something you know, X y Z. But about
four years after the fact, now we're talking about the
year two thousand, I belonged to this club and they
we'd have guest speakers every month. In one month we
had James and Elizabeth Sanders. And James was the first
investigator on this case, and he wrote a book called
The Downing of TWA eight hundred. So I went to
the event. It was at a country club. I got
there late, wasn't expecting anything, and the room was filled,
and that surprised me. Not only was it filled, but
it was filled with angry people who totally signed on
to Jim's theory that the plane had been shot down.
And after a few minutes listening to the questions, I realized,
of course, this is TWA's ancestral home, Kansas City. These
people were all veteran t WA people. So after it
was over, in fact, I went out to dinner with
the Sanders and a bunch of other people, and I
ended up sitting next to Elizabeth Sanders, Jim's wife. They're
really pretty Filipino American, sweet as could be. And when
I heard her story, and when I learned that she
and Jim had been arrested, convicted of conspiracy for Jim's
effort to tell the truth about t W eight hundred,
I said, man, there's a story here that needs to
be told because this even my sister, my mother, could
have been anywhere, and they were both convicted both, you know,
I had convicted a federal court. And so the next
morning I went to breakfast with the Sanders and I
asked them, has there been a documentary done on the subject,
and they said no. And at that time, you know,
I was doing a lot of documentaries, and so we
started talking and that began a you know, between us,
a friendship that lasted until Jim died about five years ago,
and I still in touch with Elizabeth. So once they
told me their story, I said to them, before I
get involved in this, because I don't want to just
go down some rabbit hole and have it be some
well maybe this, maybe that, who knows, who knows. So
I agreed to go. They were living in Fort Lauderdale,
and I said, I'm going to They invited me down.
We spent three days together. But before I got there,
I read the two mainstream books that were out about
t WA Flight eight hundred, one written by the AP
reporter who covered it, Pad Milton, the other by the
CNN reporter who covered the case, Christine m Groni, And
they were both full on board, you know, inexplicable fuel
tank explosion, quite a terrible tragedy. But they're very convincing,
if you know, because I didn't know that much about
the case, I see, And so when I got to
the Sanders, I was skeptical. I said, I'm from Missouri,
I've in Missouri. Now you got to show me right.
And in three days they totally convinced me that they
were right. And that's again, are the beginning of our
adventure together.
Speaker 3: No, that's an incredible story. And I reach out to
the audience and not to ask a dumb question or anything,
but I think in all due respect to those that
passed on that day and all the cover up that
we hear about and searching for answers, just like in
many ways but not directly aligned with the uapuf oo thing,
when are we ever going to get disclosure? This is
totally a different way of trying to get skin the
cat and try to get answers. I'd like to go
out to the audience here, particularly those in the New
York metro area, or maybe anybody around the nation that
may have had an experience where you actually witnessed this
particular episode, a tragedy in American aviation, a tragedy for
the world in one, eight hundred and eight four eight
nine to two two, because I'm sure many of those
people are still actively in pursuit like we are, mister
Cashall on this particular story. So let's talk about the
event itself. The aircraft, the Boeing seven forty seven, one
of the great aircrafts that Mowing's built. Yes, amazing airport.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the workhorse of the sky. I mean they it's
and it's it's going to Paris from JFK. It takes
off at seven nineteen perfectly fine, nice evening, something like
seventy one degrees that had, you know when it took
off right around just before sun set. And it's got
two hundred and thirty people on board. Fifty three of
them are TWA employees. Many of them are dead heading
back to Paris. So for the TWA family, it was
a huge strategy. These are their friends and you know,
their loved ones. And in twelve minutes out of JFK,
they're heading east along the south coast of Long Island.
And what makes this kind of interesting and I'm unusual,
is that you know the south coast of you know,
it's the Hampton's all that stuff. This is sort of
affluent beach communities. At a night, I can miss a
beautiful summer night. Everyone's out, you know, people on the beach,
they're out in their decks, they're out them, you know,
they're rooftop gardens whatever. So there's what happens happens in
pool view of literally thousands of people, some seven hundred
and fifty of them. We'll talk to the FBI, and
at seven point thirty one, I will just I'll just
skip ahead to save the misery. Here about seven thirty people,
many people up and down the coast, at least fifty
six people, according to the NTSB, trace the event from
the horizon. They see rising from the horizon, streak of
light and a gray colored kind of squiggling parking over
approaching the airplane. Explosion, explosion, massive fireball, ball into the sea.
That was at seven point thirty one. The plane was
at about thirteen thousand feet and immediately, you know, people
were calling into the Suffolk County Police, New York City Police, wherever,
and the tragedy was. You know, everyone knew what had happened.
The plane was gone. It was gone from the transponders
at the air traffic controllers. It was gone, period. And
the rest of it was the rest of it. The
real story begins after the plane crashes, after the plane
descends into the sea. The unsavory part of the story begins, then.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right if you're just tuning into the Dutchess
guy experience in our theater of the mind as we
like to call it. Jack Casher an author of many subjects,
but in this particular episode, we're speaking with him and
you too can answer and have maybe some of your
questions answered. Maybe you were a witness to this tragedy.
The book t W eight hundred, The Crash, to Cover
Up and the Conspiracy, one of a number of books
that he's written, and also a documentary on this. But
a little bit back, I just want to go back
to the seven forty seven itself. We talk aviation here.
I'm enamored by this and these are some of the
things that I've been so proud of over the years.
I had a rare interview with Joe Sutter, the Boeing
designer of the seven forty seven. He since passed on.
But the reason I mentioned that Jack, is that this
particular aircraft for those people that are very technical and
interested in the aviation world. The aircraft was manufactured in
July nineteen seventy one. His officially was a Boeing seven
forty seven Dish one thirty one. It's registered N number.
This is for people who don't do deep research on
the airplane itself. N nine thirty one one nine with
a serial number of two zero zero eight three. And
again not to still thunder from your story, because it's
so powerful. It can be sixteen eight hundred and sixty
nine flights in ninety three thousand, three hundred and three
hours of operation, empowered by the very reliable Pratt and
Whitney JT nine D seventy eight turbofan engines. Now what
does that have to do with your story? It goes
to tell you that these are train pilots. These are
people that had thousands one of hours behind the cockpit
knowing what to do with this airplane. So many of
these theories, just to put it in summation, and we're
going to have you explain to us some of the
maybe some of the how ludicrous some of these might be,
and how maybe relative they are to reality. Some of
the theories A bomb on the Lord, a man pad,
shoulder fired missile, a terrorist aircraft hitting the TWA eight hundred,
a mid level of fule tank spark explosion, the CIA version.
And then it gets even more bizarre, But I don't
know a US Navy missile hits the airplane by accident,
trying to hit a terrorist aircraft that flew near the
TWA eight hundred. These are all things we read. But
take us back to reality, give us your of what do.
Speaker 4: You think I just And also, doctor skuy feel free
to add those details because I'm not an aviator, Okay,
I don't profess to you know, know more about the press,
although what I can add. What I can add is this,
in the history of the seven forty seven, no plane
ever self combusted in mid air. No plane before nineteen
ninety six, no plane after nineteen ninety six. And this
was the very very very rare mechanical failure in which
the NTSB or the FBIA grounded the fleet and made
you know, improvements so it wouldn't happen again. They just
kept on plying that includes the air force. One put
that in perspective.
Speaker 3: No, it's amazing, Jack, what you're talking about here. Now
we hear that whole history of the seven forty seven.
Now they've stopped production, that's a whole nother story for
the aviation world. But going back to your story, I mean,
this is amazing. People are witnessing this all over the place.
Give us an account, as you're tell in your book,
and describe it. How many witnesses did indeed the FBI,
you know, interrogate or take their testimony. I mean, this
is interesting story to tell us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the final count was seven hundred and
fifty five. Wow. And the FBI, by the way, was
totally they're in over their heads. That's they're not air
you know, investigators of air craft intimates. They shouldn't even
been on the job. But on day one, hour one
they were designated to take the job over from the
National Transportation Safety Board, the INTSP, who, by law is
designated to control all in any domestic airplane crashes. Now
they maintained that control by law. I mean, it's not
just like a tradition. It's law only if until it's
a crime. And this was never declared a crime, the
destruction to the Great hundred. But the I just bullied
them right out of the way, right immediately, and started
interviewing people up and down the coast of Long Island
and then Connecticut, even in New Jersey, people at you know,
ships at sea, A few aviators who saw it helicopter pilots,
and what the FBI would do is they would interview
someone and fill out what's called the three to zero
two which is just like a handwritten you know, a
document where you would and then it would be at
some point given to a secretary to type up or whatever.
So but they didn't have any GPS, they didn't have
any navigation as they were really blundering through this, which
actually ends up helping the people who wanted these this
incident to go away. So they interviewed about seven hundred
fifty five people. Of those seven fifty five, I think
that the number was two fifty eight who saw a
streak of light heading up towards the aircraft. And I
think the end final NTSP number was fifty six who
were able to trace that streak of light from the
horizon all the way to the aircraft. So many of
these witnesses were just excellent, and a lot of them
were professionals with serious experience and helicopter pilots for instance,
and you know former military people, Fisherman people who were
used to knowing what they were seeing, and also people
it's going to sound a little sort of classes maybe,
but people who live along the coast of the Hamptons
and southern Long Island. Are used to be taken seriously.
They can't easily be brushed off, and so they were
very persistent. And the one short of this witness experience
is that this took place just before the Internet became
a commonplace. Only about twelve percent of the people were online,
and so the witnesses had had no way.
Speaker 3: Your report that the New York Times came online I
think in an internet way back in nineteen ninety six
or thereabouts, right to.
Speaker 4: Continue, that's when they first came online, exactly. And so,
but the witnesses had no way of knowing there were
other witnesses because The New York Times wasn't going to
interview them.
Speaker 3: Interesting, right, but firsthand evidence right from the cockpit of
an aircraft. I'm reading this from your book. No, I'm
not reading it Forbiden executive, No excuse me. We're talking
about David McLean, an East Wind pilot, saw the tw
eight hundred explode right in front of him. And what
better evidence could you have that something's amissed there that
we see the explosion. Describe that a little better than
what I tried to read there because or described because
when you have that first hand information, they're seeing it
right from sitting in the cockpit, like, oh my god,
look at this big airliner. I just saw it explode.
Tell us more about that.
Speaker 4: That's inportant in McClain's case. And you know, it's been
a while since I've reviewed this case, but I they
can't remember it well. What the I would say the
people were, because I'm going to call the conspirators, the
people who wanted this to go away. What they liked
about McClain is that he didn't see the missile approach.
What they didn't like about McClean is that he saw
the plane fall right out of the sky. That's amazing. Now,
why this was a problem is because the CIA, which
had very discreetly taking control of the investigation from the
FBI on day one or day two, at the end
of their way they closed the investigation. Was the CIA
was commissioned this is crazy to create an animation that
would somehow rationalize explain away what the eyewitnesses saw. And
so what they concluded, and doctor Scott, you could probably
speak to this more eloquently than I can. What they
concluded was that there was an on board explosion center
fuel tank, spontaneous unknown origin. They blew the nose off
the plane, and then the noseless plane ascended from that
point another thirty five hundred and four thousand feet, using
people into thinking they saw a missile going up.
Speaker 3: Totally ridiculous, but it was spoon fed to us, and
so many people have known.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: Now, obviously through your research and your books investigative journalism,
people are starting to wake up. But thirty years later,
oh my gosh, I mean, this is still the greatest mystery.
And then it goes deep as we get into this
interview with our very special guest, Jack Cashell. Your questions
and observations at one eight hundred and eight four eight
nine to two to two two. Maybe some of you
even witness this or no people who had or sadly again,
maybe you knew people who actually perished on that particular aircraft.
But I think I have it right, didn't George Stephanopoulos
once say, and I don't know if the quote is right,
Tell the truth, but do it slowly? Is there some
truth to what I just said?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know that he said that, But okay,
I think I don't know that.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought I heard. But that's interesting. So
the main role of the CIA is to deceive. That's
the business that they're in, so obviously true.
Speaker 4: I mean, they gave out medals at the end of
the day, right. I can tell you the guy who
was said, he has a picture in the CIA magazine,
Randolph House. He gets like the President's medal for doing
a good job. And if this has been a foreign
adversary and ye had somehow served our national purpose, I
see yes, But when you're dealing with American people, that's
not your role. In fact, the CIA should never had
been involved. They have no authority at all to meddle
in a domestic airplane.
Speaker 3: You're so right. And if you watch that video, I guess,
unless they've edited it again, it keeps insisting on what center,
fuel tank, fuel tank, fuel tank, It comes going on
and on and on. But you're so right. I'm not
an aviation I'm not an aviation expert by any means,
but I know plenty of pilots that are. But what
I find ludicrous from the science of astronomy and space
and physics, you don't necessarily see the front section of
a seven forty seven deciding to propel itself higher into
the air. And I think in your book you describe
it even better. Season seven forty seven, Bilots said, hell no,
that front section would just drop like a rock because
obviously it defies the laws of physics, which is totally amazing.
This is fascinating.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is a fascinating interview to they talking about
something again near and dear to so many people out there.
But what Jack, I mean simply, never has any real
conclusion been put forth on this. It's still what in
the mind of speculation, but in the do not know,
you do not need to know file right or something
like that, never to tell you.
Speaker 4: It's pretty much there and now you know, thirty years later,
it remains a mystery, right And yeah, it wasn't It's
not a mystery. I think the White House knew within
a couple hours exactly what happened, and I think they
realized that this is an incident they could not have
exposed until at least after November. It was an election
year and the Clintons were coming back from the dead
after the November nineteen ninety four midterms, and they were
afraid of being primaried. Early on but they've climbed back.
They're running against Bob Dole. You and I could be
dol and they summer back in the league, and the
last thing they wanted was to lose that momentum. And
this would have done it. Whether who's a terrorist or
whether it was a naval missfire or even when there's
a bomb, it would have totally distracted from their mission.
And this is the number one news story of nineteen
ninety six. It drove the presidential election off the front
pages for a month, and so it had to go away.
Speaker 3: Jack Cashual as our guest. We continue with him and you,
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Speaker 6: It Joe Sutter, the designer of the Boeing seven forty seven,
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Speaker 3: Some information on the Boeing seven forty sent its first
light back on February ninth, nineteen sixty nine, first commercial
service January twenty second, nineteen seventy and its first launch
customer was pan Am. At that time, twenty five airplanes
were wardered by PanAm for five hundred and twenty five
million dollars. Major innovations, the first use of high bypass
turbofan engines, and the number of seven forty seven models produced.
There were six the expected life of an average seven
forty seven some fifteen years, with four hundred deliveries, number
of seven forty sevens built to date more than one thousand,
five hundred and forty eight. We continue with a very
special guest. All of our guests are special in the
theater of their mind. But this story which still perplects
as many Flight TWA eight hundred, the crash to cover
up in the conspiracy by our author and guesst Jack Cashell.
This event nearly thirty years ago, ladies and gentlemen, and
still is something that we're concerned about today. Talk a
little bit more. We talked a little bit before, and
we didn't give you a fair chance at this. Maybe
a connection to the Clinton administration without me pointing a finger.
I'm not the one who knows all this, but the
point is, talk up a little bit more about this
whole particular time with the Clintons and this election coming up,
and maybe a good reason to not give us the
truth on this because it might have upset an entire
election cycle. As you described, tell us.
Speaker 4: More tech, right, you know. I break down conspiracy theories,
doctor Sky, into two basic categories. One or is conspiracies,
of which are kind of a dime a dozen. The
others are the conspiracies of execution, which are extremely rare
at this level, almost impossible. So I've become the probably
the doctor know of a nine to eleven inside job.
So I'm so to speak conspiracy theorist. I have a reputation.
And if you write a book with the major publisher
and they have lawyers, so everything has to You can't
just make stuff up. You can't just improvise or speculate.
So this was the conspiracy of concealment. And I think
the concealment began the very night of the crash. The
Clintons were in Washington. We know that. I know because
I've talked to Buzz Patterson and carry the nuclear football
for the president.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had him once as a guest. What an
amazing guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, great guy, and he was as he told me.
The Clinton's never left the family quarters evening, so they
didn't go down to the situation room where George Stephanopplaz
says he was. And that was on Then he inadvertently
said that on nine to eleven when he was, you know,
stilling time on, you know, during the ABC broadcast. Yes, bombing,
but the people in the situation room, we're trying to
assess the information coming in. And what's fascinating about that
night is that even though it was the number one
news story of the year, and even though we almost
went to war with Iran over it.
Speaker 3: Oh, here we go again with Iran, Right, Jack, this
is even back there.
Speaker 4: It's not disproved the hot spot in our forty seven
year Cold War. None of the principles involved wrote about
it in her memoirs. So Clinton writes a nine hundred
page book He dedicates one paragraph to fight a hundred
Hillary and her five hundred pages gives it a half sentence.
Louis free head of the FBI. Not a word, Leon Panetta,
chief of staff, Not a word. Stephanopoulos in the room,
not a word. Dick Morris. He's interesting because in the
chapter he refers to that chapter as the terror of
summer of nineteen ninety six. Not a word, And then
I'm going to say that he just listed as one
of the terror events of that summer. I was on
the radio show with Marris once and I asked him,
I said, Dick, tell us what you know. And I
asked it three times, and three times he made believe
that I wasn't there. He didn't hear it, and just
talked right over me. And then I don't want to
embarrass the hostess. I'm not going anything at end. So
they decided not to talk about it after the fact.
The Senate Intelligence Committee report that year doesn't mention it,
even though the CIA and the FBI were both heavily involved.
So no one wanted to talk about what happened. But
what did happen. What we do know happened that came
out of that evening is that I believe it was
Jamie Grellic, who was the Deputy Attorney General, who assigned
the FBI to take over the investigation from the NTSB
in a legal move, but it was done publicly. I
believe it was probably I can't name names, just be guessing,
but it had to come from the top to instruct
the CIA to oversee the investigation by the FBI, and
that would lead to some interesting dynamics down the road
because the two man missile team for the FBI, who
had one very good, noble truth teller and one potential
scumback on that team, and the CIA liked the scumback
he was playing their game.
Speaker 3: Wow, this is amazing, you know, Jack, Like, we call
this the blowtorch signal of this radio station, and obviously
it is. You're lighting up the phone lines with your
own blowtorch. So let's go to the callers right now.
Let's go to line number two and welcome Mark in Arizona. Mark,
you run with author Jack Cashell on the TWA eight
hundred mystery. How are you this evening?
Speaker 7: Good?
Speaker 8: Thank you, mister Cashell. Ten years ago, Steve Gates had
a show in the Phoenix and I heard you on
the show that night or that day. It was also
the right show and I called in and won your
book that you had written on the twa eight hundred.
Speaker 4: All right and congratulations, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 8: Can you sign it now? Just kid?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 8: On July seventeenth, my wife and I headed to Atlanta
for the Olympics and we hear all this commotion going
on when we landed, and it started all this investigation.
So my question for you, can you tell us that
there was ever a floyer requested by any organization about
the details of what actually happened. And also, my father
in law worked for America Airlines for thirty years out
of Kennedy, and when he retired, he's there for forty years.
He said, it's no way possible for that fuel tank
to explode. No way possible, right, So can you also
tell me you have about vallengaries in their part? I'm sorry,
Oh no.
Speaker 4: That's that's a good because that leads to an interesting segue. Yeah,
you raise a good point. It was the Atlanta Olympics
was started on the nineteen of July, so the military,
the Navy especially was on a high state of alert
because all these hard dignitaries coming in playing to chat
out of the sky. That's struggle. You know, you meant
to sit down in the skies. They the PIS did
a Pierre Salinger part. By the way, I spoke to
the QB's and pressed it, and about two years ago
I think I'm this year going to come to Phoenix
to talk to the QB chapter there.
Speaker 3: Well, we need to sit and have a lunch. If
you'd be so kind, that would be nice to sit
and chat with.
Speaker 4: The Salader. Thing opens the way to a kind of
semi amusing anecdote. I know it's not funny for people
who are family members on this plane. Just sometimes you
just need to break from the solemnity of it. But
in the fall of nineteen ninety six, yeah, fall of
I'm sorry, let me jump forward the fall of twenty sixteen.
Billary Clinton is running for president against Donald Trump. Jim Cawstrom,
who's the FBI head of investigation, is on Fox News
just about nightly as their national security advisor. Remember no,
and Calstrum made very clear is the stays for the Clintons.
And he went, in fact as far as to endorse
Donald Trump, which was kind of unprecedented and unprofessional. But
he did it, And so every time he'd appear, I'd
hear from the family members of the victims, and they
would say, I see when I see him, if he
wants to affect the election, why doesn't he just tell
the truth about twa eight hundred exactly? So that a
good point. So what I did is I sent him.
I have a private eye friend who got his address,
and I sent him a registered letter making that request.
And then to avoid I live in a democratic neighborhood,
by the way, I don't like to be around during elections.
So I went to France for a couple of weeks,
and since it was November, I started to go to
south of France because the weather's nights. So I in
the evening of all about a week before the election,
I'm sitting out of the promenade and nice. I don't
know anyone's been there, but it's right along the Mediterranean.
I'm sitting on a bench looking over the Mediterranean. On
my phone rings and I picked it up and says, kinetic,
right now, I had heard that Calsh from everyone says
this was a totally profane bullye. And I picked up
the phone and he goes, is this Jack Cashall. I said, yeah,
what I mean, he's dropping f bombs on me, like
goes his own personal Dresden. You're just obliterating me. And
then I got him to calm down and and I said,
we're on the same side here. I said, he was
very upset that the family members weren't, you know, buying
what he was selling. And got him to calm down.
We're on the same side in this election. Let's try
to just get over the finish line here. And then
he goes, are you not one of those people who
believed that a terrorist shot down the airplane? Are you right?
He seems so out of it. I said, no, I'm not.
I wish it were that way. You know, when I
first got into it, I was hoping that would be
the outcome because it's more explainable, you know, I said,
but I'm the unfortunate fact. I said, our navy shot
it down. And then he really went off. And here's
the funny part. He goes, you sound like that. I
think Pierre Salinger He held an f press conference on
the Think French Riviera right after in November of.
Speaker 3: Nineteen right, and the Sallengers hypothesis was a navy missile
of course, right, that's it's right.
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting here thinking, thank God, he doesn't know
where I am. I'm on the French Riviera. We'd have
been in war with France in a couple of weeks
if I knew where I was.
Speaker 3: Jack, let me go back to Mark, if you have
a quick follow up here. We're almost up against the
break here, but I appreciate your following up with us
and also following the previous shows that I did. It's
nice to meet somebody after that many years who's followed that.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Mark, before we leave the night, would you
mention your books on Ashley Babbitt and the black educational
system in America?
Speaker 4: What happened to the Blacks? Yeah? My book on Ashley
Babbitt is actually called Ashley The Untold Story of the
Women of January sixth, and I wrote a book on
not so much on black education, as in the collapse
of America cities from my own personal experience. A book
is called Untenable, The True Story of White ethnic flight
from America Cities.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Thank you, Mark in Arizona. Jack, we're going to
come up on a break here in just a moment.
But I just want to remind if your building, if
you're still on the line, and hope you are. Line
three is Alexi. He'll get on. Line four is George
and Westchester, and line five Tom and Long Island. But
what about you, ladies and gentlemen, do you have any
personal feelings about this? Of course you do, and maybe
you are also witnessed to some of this that we're
talking about a tragic day in American history, the destruction
of TWA flight eight hundred. The contact number one eight
hundred eight four eight nine two two two as we
speak with Jack Cashell, give out your substack site, because
if I just give your website, I know you wanted
me to direct people. What is that so people can
hear it again?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the substack is just go to subsack dot com.
It's a great service, by the way, and I do
it daily calumn. It's like I'm a daily columnist and
you go to subsech dot com and you search Jack
Cashell and I'll take you on my page and then
you can subscribe. You don't have to pay to subscribe either.
You can pay if you like, but you don't have to.
You can I take call coment.
Speaker 3: Well, God bless you, Jack, and we'll even talk later
in our one or even hour two an article that
you've written back in June of this year and subtitled
what John Gottie Knows about TWA Flight eight hundred. We'll
be right back with our special guest, Jack Cashell. The
Doctor Sky Experience, the Theater of the Mind continues, and
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Speaker 9: Hi.
Speaker 5: This is legendary pilot Dick Rutan, who is first to
fly NonStop around the world, and you are listening to
the Doctor Sky Show.
Speaker 3: The most passengers ever carried on A seven forty seven
and now Ale seven forty seven took off with one
thousand and eighty six people on takeoff and landed with
one thousand and eighty eight. Two babies were born in flight.
The reason for the high passenger load evacuation of Ethiopian
Jews from Addis Ababa. We continue with Jack Cashell forty
eight minutes after the hour. Jack amazing stories about not
only the aircraft, but the sad tragedy of how this
happened is We continue with explore. Let's continue with our guests.
They've been patient on the line and the callers, I
should say, line number three, Alexian Queens, you're on with
Jack Cashell. Good morning.
Speaker 10: Yes, I addressed this to your guests, sir. First and foremost,
I'm going to make two points briefly. I will hope
you will appreciate these points. First of all, there was
an excellent film that was made some decades ago, and
the name of the film is No Highway in the Sky.
It features a prominent actor, James Stewart. It is about
an aircraft engineer who he plays who it's insisting that
he knows something about why he's playing, his company's playing,
breaking apartment pieces in the air, and throughout the story
he's not believed until finally the end he is correct.
He proves it as his theory is proven and he
is correct. An amazing story. You must you must watch
the film.
Speaker 3: What's the name of the kind of lexy? I didn't
hear it clearly in the listeners.
Speaker 10: Didn't tell us again, Oh, okay, the name of the
theme is no and all Highway, like a highway you
die about in the sky. It starts James James Stewart,
and it's an excellent movie, excellent about aircraft that are
suddenly breaking it to pieces and such and exploding in
the air.
Speaker 3: Well, Alexi, thank you for that bit of information on
aviation structure and the integrity of aircraft. Jack are a
comment from you if you'd like on that. I think
it's important too.
Speaker 4: No, I mean it's I don't know that movie, but
I'll check it out because it's the subject that interests me.
But you know, it's happened then. I don't know when
that movie was made. But in the era of Jedi fuel,
which is sort of like kerosene, planes have become far
less flammable and far less subject to you know, internal
explosions that are caused by you know, sparks or some
other thing. But so it's and that's why the seven
forty seven said, other than played a hundred have never
experienced that.
Speaker 3: Never Well, you're going to give us even greater information
and our number two, I'm sure about the whole CIA
theory and the video in which many people, of course
like yourself are sitting back going wait a minute, from
all the witness testimony, eyewitness testimony and others. It certainly
can't be as we talk about a cover up. Let's
continue on the phone lines. They're important to us. All
the callers line number four. We welcome George and Westchester.
Good morning. You're on with Jack Cashall.
Speaker 11: How are you doing that, gentlemen, Sherlock Holmes says, nothing
over you guys, tremendous show.
Speaker 4: Let me just say, let me just set this up.
Speaker 6: Two months before flight eight hundred, the plane crash in
the Everglades in.
Speaker 11: Florida that went down, killing over one hundred people on
that plane. And then also a couple of days after
the flight eight hundred, the Olympic bombing took place and
security guard who was a hero, saw the package started
evacuating people, and then they accused.
Speaker 6: Him because he was a white guy. They were accusing
him that he planted it to become like a hero,
which was psychotic.
Speaker 4: The FBI was doing it.
Speaker 6: The media piggyback on it, and eventually the gentleman who
was a great hero, settled for millions of dollars for defamition.
So what happens a couple of days before the Olympics starts,
Fight eight hundred goes down. Like you said before, there's
like seven eight hundred eye witnesses. But we never really
get to even hear any of these witnesses. We never
hear anything about it, and we never really get to
scrutinize even people who were the passages on that plane.
Just to do a full investigation. Now let me fast
forward to two thousand and.
Speaker 4: One, but go ahead. Yeah, but this the people loving this.
Speaker 6: Two thousand and one November, the fight that crashed over
two thousand and one Bell Harber beautiful to day.
Speaker 12: They blamed the pilots for that.
Speaker 6: They said, wake turbulence, they put in control the you know,
the instruments and stuffle the instruments weren't up the paw
and they put because this was right after nine to eleven.
So but to me, I think it was they didn't
want to scan the people before the Olympics that a
terrorist attack occurred. And also right at the nine to
eleven two months, even though we had to speak Obamba
in December two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: Well, you bring good points, George. Not to catch you short,
I'm going to try to get others on the air hair.
But a response back from you, Jack, if you so long,
go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, both excellent observations. The fellow's name was Richard Jewel.
Why do they like Richard Jewels the suspect it's because
that meant it wasn't terrorism, just some sort of you know,
a nutty security card. They made a good movie about
that too. Cline Eastwood did in November. Crash of that
plane as Heed Ford, Dominican Republic November two thousand and one,
was highly suspicious. No one, me included wanted that plane
to be terrorists. You know, it's confirmation biased rule the day.
Speaker 3: Are you refiring, Jack? Excuse me? Are you referring to
the one that crashed along the Jamaica area, I mean
right along they believe Yeah, absolutely, Okay.
Speaker 4: Powell was the one Secretary of State is the one
who who went to the scene. When does that happen?
Speaker 3: No, that's crazy. But one of the theories there again,
not to catch you short, is that the vertical stabilizer
on that plane, which was made out of like a
plexiglass or something, not a regular metal, you know, structure
also helped that aircraft go down. But if I believe
that that is really the truth, I don't know. But
that's an interesting one that we're talking about here, another
sad loss of life. And I always thought that was
the shoe bomber thing, but that's really not the same
aircraft that we're talking.
Speaker 4: About, right, You know, I was suspicious, but I'll just
tell you the psychology of every American and November two
thousand and one is we didn't want it to be terrorism.
Speaker 3: I hear you.
Speaker 4: We didn't want to air our planes, you know, the
air the air plane shut down, the airport shutdown, and
we wanted to get back to our life and the
psychology that era. You'd have to have been there. I mean,
young people don't understand that at all. You know.
Speaker 3: Well, it's great to listen to these stories and the
books that you've written, particularly about this mystery for thirty years.
I mean, look at this, this has never been solved.
Let's try if we can to get another call around
before the top of the hour line number four. George
and Westchester. You've been patient. You're on with Jack Cashall
and we've lost him. But call back if you so desire.
Line five, Tom and Long Island. You're on the air
with Jack Cashall. Good morning to you.
Speaker 5: Give him one, Doctor Scott Sky. I'm sorry. I just
I remember this day, this evening very well. My wife
came out running out of the house telling me that
a plane has just gone down to close just shout
to us. I live in Shirley, and I say, well, unbelievable.
The next day I go to work and I stopped
at the seven to eleven up by the Stressway and
William Floyd Park, right, and this is about maybe sine morning,
quarter to six, and there's six US divers in there
gathering a like bananas stuff like that and rolls and coffee,
and one of them all was getting my corp. I
go wow, I said, you guys had not to Cabresci Airport.
You got something going on. There's not who are you
and divers? He was going out to look for that
wreck that night. And I was like, that is like
really weird to me. So I bought them all coffee
that I thanked it for that patriotm then I went
to work and the foreman, who was a big fisherman,
was out the ninet before in the off the coast
in the dory with him and his buddy flute fishing,
and they said, he told me, I seen that missile
go up. So now that's two things in the same
morning day after this event, and I got my mind
thinking about I don't know. After they started pulling rerecords up,
I got transfer to another job and I met up
with a friend of mine who was working on a
different job of Caviton, the old Grumming grounds where they
were staging all the particles that were from the playing
wrecked going up there, and he had he got a
call to go back in and clean the job out
because they're taking it take it back the building temporarily
because they went in there to replace everything when Grumming left,
to put it back to Navy standards from the nineteen sixties.
If you understand what I'm saying, Okay. So he goes
in there with an instrument camera and the plane is
now somewhat put back together, no wings. He snapped some
pictures the sports side of the futurelage, all the windows
up into a ware about the wing area was were
in line, but the piece that was put back in
that was like missing. It was huge. I would say,
like they would encompass maybe eight windows, maybe a little more.
That they were not in consent. You know, they were
not typical with the rest of the windows you would
see on the plane. They were spaced differently like in
other words, that and the paint master collow wasn't the same.
And he says, you know what, I think the Navy
shot this plane down about a week A week before
I was watching an old movie on TMC. It was
called The Bedford him Soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5: It was Sidney Poetry, Sydney Potrier, Richard Witmark and the
kid who used to play Dan o Ony five. Oh,
and they're talking at the end and chasing this Russian
sub at the Arctic, and it was like he had
this crew under immense practice and practice and practice, and
I drove fire viizations and.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't tell us the end. You'll ruin it. No,
you'll ruin it.
Speaker 4: Tom.
Speaker 3: I'm holding Tom. You got to hear this. And we're
out of time here in just a minute with Jack
Fis and we'll do our number two. Your story, Tom
is fascinating. You got to be kidding me, folks. I'm
holding a copy of the DVD in my hand. The
Bedford Incident, Richard Woodmark and Cindy portigeg. That's amazing. But
don't tell us the end of the movie though. Tom,
there you go. But no, thank you for testifying about something.
You're right. So many strange Tom's that happened, that's amazing.
Speaker 4: To Tom's point, the reconstruction that plane was not done
honestly at all. What they did is they they hammered
it into place to support the conclusion that the explosion
came from the interior plane. That's the exterior, amazing. So
they had a band metal to make that to create
that illusion and sustain it. It was I mean, it
is really talking a handful of people you on this.
It's not everyone. Most people there thought you were doing
a good job and doing hard work.
Speaker 3: The number one ends. Sorry to cut everybody short, but
Tom in Long Island, thank you for testifying. Continue, ladies
and gentlemen, and if Dave would like to hold on
in Pennsylvania, we'll get to you an hour. Number two
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We continue with special guests. All guests are special Jack Cashaal,
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the others, but the primary focus is the thirty year
tragedy of TWA eight hundred, behind the cover up and
conspiracy with author Jack Cashall. Jack, welcome back. Let's go
to the callers and do respect for those that didn't
get in and our number one here say good morning
to Dave online two in Pennsylvania. You've been patient, Good morning,
your comment or question?
Speaker 12: Hello, doctor Stuy. First of all, do you have any
books out? I would like to read at least one
book of yours. And what is your pen name? And
now I'll get to the get.
Speaker 3: No, well, I don't at the point, and that's something
I'd like to work on. But I'd like to focus.
Speaker 9: On the too, But I really I can't.
Speaker 12: I want to write a book on short stories, with
short stories on all kinds of different environmental and ecological
matters to get to the truth. If one leaves another
one to some form of truth, and the one after
that combonds the to make more truth out of tropical rainforest,
d forest stay, symplastic pollution.
Speaker 3: All right, but hey, I gotta slow you down. I
gotta put the brakes on the asbestos pads there. But
I want you, Dave. I appreciate you asking me about
a book. Yes, that's in my goal plant and I'll
be talking about that some other time. But in due
respect to the guest, do you have a question regarding
t w A eight hundred as we move forward?
Speaker 12: Go ahead, t w A Okay, now this is sort
of related. Drones and tw A drones were attempted to
shoot the president? Was that right what I heard on
the news? Right?
Speaker 4: For sure? Let me take this answer.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, because we got to move forward. Dave, I
appreciate your concerns, but we got to stay on measure here.
Go ahead.
Speaker 9: John Jones.
Speaker 4: Jones play a part in this in this story and
the PIK debate understood because it seems altogether likely that
the there was a missile test going on at that
night with drones as the target we know. I have
saw the video of a missile test off the south
coast of Long Island five days earlier, in which, from
all appearances, is an amateur video set off a brook
on rooftop. It appears that the a missile comes up
out of the sea, destroys the drone, and then the
drone you flutters back to the to the water, and
the missile, you know, tracks exactly like a missile attract
It was five days before July twelfth. On July seventh,
multiple people recorded seeing a drone missile exercise in that
same basic body of water. So drones do play a part.
Speaker 3: Well, Jack, I thank you for that, and I appreciate
your generality there, Dave. Let's move on to line number four. Ed,
he's been patient in Long Island. You're on with Jack
cashall and I just asked the audience and due respect
to your guest, we try to stay on.
Speaker 9: I'm not patient. I'm happy to listen. I wish the
show was three hours. Wouly you you you oh. It's
always good, even than John John's show on on Sunday mornings.
When you get out, it's always good to hear you.
I'm want to tell you that I had a coworker
coming to work the next day after flight a hundred
uh happened and she said she was on the south
shore of Long Island, on the beach and here we
used to have the Groucci fireworks factory, the Grucci company
that had.
Speaker 3: No so they well known, you've heard of them, absolutely
world famous.
Speaker 9: She said that she saw what she thought was a
report a skyrocket go up and she said, oh, there
must be there must be fireworks tonight. She why did
go up? And she watched it hit a plane going
over and the plane exploded. This is what she told
me with a white just the blood drawn from.
Speaker 4: You know her.
Speaker 9: I'm feeling say feeling right now from her face. And
you know, we know the tragedy that happened. And I
have to ask your guests about fuel tanks. So this
plane took off and it had it has full fuel tanks.
So when fuel tanks begin empty, maybe there's some oxygen
in them, or what is in them? What what goes
in them? And what would cause an explosion a static
electric effect with with the jet fuel or what's the
mechanical engineering? Uh, you know on this.
Speaker 4: You know what happened is that for? You know, for
four years the National Transportation Safety Board tried to simulate
some combination of sparks and and they couldn't do it.
So what they had to do was, yeah, and they
had they had a jack with the forma. They had
to put gasoline in the in the center fuel tank
to mayl explode. Uh. Yeah. When my book came out,
doctor guy, the angriest letters I got, and I must
have gotten fifty of them or from maybe maybe not fifty,
it was probably twenty is more realistic from people who
had worked on fuel tanks and airplanes. They said, no way,
nohow could not have happened. And they said the spark,
it is generated by this one element. He said, imagine
three fireflies hied together and jed a fuel. By the way,
is you could drop a match into it without exploding it.
Speaker 9: Now the like, sorry, yeah, it's more like a heater.
Well it's it's a person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lower flammability, I gather is the way they do it.
But I'm not an expert. However, fuel area, but there
you go.
Speaker 4: One to vaporized by like an exterior explosion. Then and
then all that's are off and it becomes very.
Speaker 3: Vunerable ed in Long Island. Thank you so much for
your kind comments about the show and even more important
being part of this show, as we call it, a
theater of the mind. I wish you a great weekend
and hope you'll be a continuance here on the Doctor
Scott Experience. We go now to line number five, Robert
in Philadelphia. He's a regular caller and obviously brings insightful commentary.
You're on with Jack Cashall. Thanks for your.
Speaker 7: Patience, Hi, Doctor Stay, as always, is great to talk
to you, and I appreciate your wonderful guest.
Speaker 4: Jack.
Speaker 7: I'm looking at it just logic, logically, and we know
that there was one of them ages styled naval ships
in there, whether they were doing tests or not. And
we know that only a president could get the CIA
to take over something that rightful belongs to the FBI
and the NTSB. So who else would be responsible if
it wasn't an accident? Why would they cover up just
an accident? And is there anybody associated with not just
to cleanse but the entire administration on the passenger lift?
And I'll hang up and listen to your thought and
listen to your answer. Really appreciate you guys. Thank you
very much.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Robert. I always appreciate your questions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know the last question. First, there was no
one on that plane who deserves is our own missile.
So people say, have you chanced the passenger you know
is yeah, but that's not the case. That's not like
you don't take out a seven forty seven to kill
one person. You could kill on the terminal. As to
the the other part of the question, who authorizes the idea?
You're right, that had to company to talk and it's
so the problem was we should have this should have
been busted immediately. But the New York Times was the
only agency, the only news operation to which the FBI
would speak, and they were so jealous of that connection
that they chose to do what the FBI told them
to do, which meant they did not interview one single
eye witness to the anyone who thought they saw a
missile was off limits to The New York Times zero
and so they never mentioned the CIA involvement up until
the very end when CIA produces the stilly animation. So
the failure of the New York Times would tell the
truth about the story doom the story they could have
busted in a week. They had chosen to.
Speaker 3: Let's do a deep dive on something here in the book,
and I hope I have the name right, Terry Stacey.
Apparently see residue here, and this is something when it
goes back to some kind of an explosion of detonation,
you know, outside the aircraft to bring it down. Not
to be a scholar and explosives, but the point is
RDX p ETN explosive residue these components of semtech or
otherwise simply known as plastic explosives. But the difference is
semtech and C four are not the same thing because
C four does not contain PETN. Why do I know this?
I'll tell the audience another time on that. But this
is interesting. What's the story with this Terry Stacey? Was
there indeed material that she actually got from a seatback?
Or am I just a off measure.
Speaker 4: On this one? In fact, that's where James Sanders got
involved in Terry Staces Terry Stacey. You know, James Sanders'
wife Elizabeth was the trainer for here Dua. She knew
had to fight attendance on board and it was very
They went to one memorial after another. At one of them,
Elizabeth introduces Terry to her husband, Jim, who was an
investigative reporter. And the first thing that Terry says to
Jim is there's there's a cover up going on, and
Terry's working inside the investigation, so he's feeding information to Jim.
And then Terry says, there is a residue streak across
like three aisles, just those three aisles, a reddish residuce
strike against the seatbacks. So Jim says, you know, scrape
them off and I'll have it tested in an independent
lab because the FBI was concealing the results the testing
of what this was. And so Terry does to scrape
it off, and he can't. He doesn't scrape, So it
just takes a couple of chunks of foam rubber, I mean,
little timmy chunks evidence Sanders yea, and Sanders hasn't tested
and they've proved consistent with rocket field residue. And now
here's the kicker, is that what they got him on.
You refer to Earler to that that crash in the Everglades.
A couple of months prior after that crash, they passed
a law saying if you're a if you're a scavenger
an airplane site, you can be arrested. Well, they arrested
the Sanders and Stacy for stealing airplane parts, meaning these
little pinches of foam rubber, and the fact that Jim
was an investigative reporter was not allowed into evidence. So
they went to trial and convicted them. And so that's
that's how bad, how desperate they were to conceal the
truth of this. Yeah, Jim took a piece of chunk
to the IAS contact at CBS, who was Young Christine Emergency.
They're getting it the truth, and they turned her down. Absolutely.
Not only they turned her down, they called into the
ci FBI and had Tom confiscate the trunk of phone number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing. So the NTSB starts the investigation and the
clamps come down. FBI gets it, and then it moves
on to the CIA with bigger clamps. Right, and then
we see a video that shows an ascending part the
front nose, a big bulgy part. If you're not a
seven forty seven, since this is theater of the mind,
you'll have to check it out and look at a picture.
If you've never seen one of these aircraft, and that's
what we're supposed to believe. A center fuel tank ignition
right outside fifteen thousand feet above the ocean, very close
to the shore, on its way across the ocean. An
amazing story the video if you keep watching it, I
keep repeating this because it's I think good for effect.
The announcer of that keeps talking about center fuel tank,
center fuel tank, center fuel tank. No airplane. Look, if
you look at physics, obviously the nose of a seven
forty seven, that piece breaks off. It doesn't have retro
rockets to keep it going up in the sky, not
at all. I got to bring this up in the
limited time we have, and I just want to remind
everybody if you want to join us in this theater
of the mind, the Doctor Sky Experience one eight hundred
eight four eight nine two to two two still time,
and we hope that you'll be part of our excursion. Here,
our adventure. Here's the story. I'd like you to talk
more about it. It's interesting an article that you've written
back in June. What John Gotti knows about twa flight
eight hundred Wow, what a headline. Talk about it for
a minute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. This is an interesting moment of my life.
I had gotten an email from the arts and entertainment
producers who were wanted to do a documentary, and I
neglected to look at the title of the documentary they
were working on, right, So I they said, we'll call
you if someone call you on your Thursday or whatever.
And I said sure. So they call on time. Call
comes in and I said, Jack Cashle here just like
you know, casually. And the voice on the other end says,
this is John Gotti.
Speaker 3: And so I would have said, yeah, really, and I
try another.
Speaker 4: Name and I and I said to myself and I
actually I thought, ay, John Gotti, you know. And I said, hey, John,
tell me a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 3: Good way to go, Jack, There you go.
Speaker 4: And then he explains that he is the son of
the Dapper Dawn John Gotti, and we have a point
of common interest. And I think, what, I'm not going
to name the guy in question. I don't get you know, Well,
let's just say that we'll call him Agent X. Okay
at the Agent Agent X. He believes God. He believes
was after a God. He gets out of prison in
ninety nine, he asked if his father, if it's okay
if he gets out of the family business, and the
father says yeah. Father dies a few years later and
John goes back to just trying to make a living
as a suburban Long Island father. He got a family
who's you know, they deserve a father is not in prison.
And then about fifteen or so years later, Agent X
decides to bring a Gotti back into court on a
charge like a racketeering charger about twenty years old. In fact,
this story is told in the movie Gotti. The stars
John Travolta Scotti if anyone wants to check that out,
And so it turns out that he believes that Agent
X was the same guy who falsified the second FBI
three too two. One the very best eye witness I
Witness seventy three. And let me just introduce this. As
I opened my book talking about Witness seventy three and
about I think it was two thousand and nine, we're
talking thirteen years after the crash. She calls me in
my office and says, Jack, this is Witness seventy three.
Do you know who I am? I said, yeah, upside
down Nike swoosh, and she goes, you're right. And because
she had the best perspective of anyone. She was an
aviation professional. She saw both the missile, she saw the plane.
She saw the missile hit the plane perfectly broke out.
The deconstruction of the airplane before the debris field confirmed
what you saw. And I said, but tell me about
the second interview seventy three, because in that second interview,
you know, you'd say that you were drinking Long Island
iced teas, that you know, you maybe didn't see what
you thought you saw, and that they wrote you off.
She goes, well, let me start by telling you I
don't know what a Long Island iced tea is, right,
And I said, but I said, well, could it have
been another drink? And she said no, because I don't
drink at all. And then she said there's something you
want to know. I said, what's that? She goes, there
was no second interview, And then I said to her,
you know you are one of at least four key
eyewitnesses for whom either the FBI or the CIA manufactured
a second interview to discredit your first interview.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: Now, the name on the three O two it was
dropped into her file is Agent X. And uh, and
I know that Agent X was on the missile team
and he was the one fighting to sustain the CIA's interpretation.
John Gotti believes that Agent X was manufacturing evidence against
him as well to bring him back to court four trials.
Agent X pushed through four miss trials and finally the
judges said stop this. You know you're you're trying to
convict an honest man here and so but you know,
God obviously been thinking about that, and so we talked
about a half hour. I was impressed by how much
he knew about t W A eight.
Speaker 3: Hundred amazing story. That is incredible, you know, And again
I know who Agent X is, and obviously for the sensitivity,
we're not going to reveal that. And I don't blame
you because it is rather the to just who knows.
I mean, that goes deeper, sure than we want to
go to right now. And I respect that anonymity on
your part. But this is interesting what I look at
before we go to the break here in just a
couple of moments again in the heartbreak, one of the
best after reading your book and checking this out again,
and I appreciate this. Mike Wire, the bridge worker, Yeah,
he seems to be one, am I right in this check.
He seems to be, in my opinion, one of the
most credible of all the witnesses because of where he was,
what he saw. Talk about Mike Wire for a moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, First of all, Mike and I have become great
friends over the years because we've worked on this stuff together.
In fact, I'll see him next week when I'm going
down the Jersey Shore.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 4: He lives in Bucks County. Yeah, he was working on
a bridge in West Hampton that night and he feels
the bridge shake from what sounds like an exposure. He
looks up, he captures everything, He sees everything, and you know,
the plane comes up. He catches it come up from
behind the houses on the other side of the canal there,
and he watches an arc over the same you know,
first boom, boom, boom, third explosion, plane falls out of
the sky. Perfect eye witness. And he's an army that,
you know, no nonsense guy, mechanically inclined. I mean, so
he's not prone to fancy. And so the FNI interviews him,
he says what he saw, and then the CIA intervenes
aunt and this when they see and this is all
in the documents that I have. The CIA is explaining
now to the NTSP why Mike Weier wasn't a credible
eye witness. He was CIA witness number one. He was
that important. He goes, well, you know, you know, he
tells us the first time he thought he saw come
up from behind the houses, but when we talked him
the second time, he said that it was about twenty
degrees above the horizon where he first saw the you know,
the missile. But that's exactly where quite one hundred was
at the time, So what he saw really was not
an ascending missile, but rather the noseless airplane arcing up.
Speaker 3: And Michael, Wow, what a distortion of right.
Speaker 4: And then when and here's where they went wrong. When
the FBI was redacting the names off the three oh two's,
they missed wire. The person redacting it read it as
like a regular word, the w ir right, and so
the people at Accuracy and ME were able to trace
Mike down. And then once they did, then they realized
there was no second you know, the guy, the CIA
guy seemed to have improvised it on the spot. Trying
to explain to the NTSB because unlike with witness seventy three.
They never put a second three oh two into Mike's file.
There was only one as.
Speaker 3: The first one a mission of the CIA. What deceive
And obviously this person's true testimony is either never secondarily interviewed,
he's not second early interviewed, or totally distorted from the fact.
But here we go Witness six forty nine, Joseph del Goddam.
He sees something. He's credible according to your reports. You
see Witness Tarl forty four and de Cairo at the
Carlo sees a missile like object hit the airplane. How
much more credible can that be? But ladies and gentlemen,
we're going to have to take that momentary pause that
refreshes and as we go to this hard break at
the bottom of the hour, what would you do, Jack
in the theater of the mind. You'd go to the
snack bar right and hopefully enjoy just a few moments
while we have an intermission. But seriously, folks, join us
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Speaker 3: Number of miles flown for the seven forty seven fleet
to day approximately fifty seven billion miles space travel equivalent
one hundred and thirty seven thousand round trips to the Moon,
and the total estimated number of passages flown to date
five point nine billion souls, almost eighty percent of the
current world population. We continue with our special guests. All
guests are special here on the Doctor Sky Experience in
what we call the Theater of the Mind. Jack Cashell,
author of many books, We concentrate on the tragedy thirty
years later, no real answers to twa eight hundred, the crash,
the cover up, and the conspiracy jack amazing and would
like to excuse me, have you back in the future
on this subject as more information comes to the forefront.
Let's talk about some of these theories and you can dispel.
You dispel them as we get them. Sure, bomb on board,
no real credible evidence. Excuse me for anything in that regard, right,
that's been discounted.
Speaker 4: It was a big theory. However, you know what's interesting
is that for the first month of the investigation, the
FBI steered the New York Times into believing there was
a bomb. So on August twenty third, now we're five
weeks in the headline above a poll New York Times
Prime Evidence found that explosive device on board Desroy's airplane.
Next to it was like Clinton signs welfare reform though,
so one of those headlines that ago, and it was
the bomb one. But the bomb was less scary than missile,
and you could control for a bomb, you know, it
could do better screening or whatever. But then they switched.
They realized that they improvised this whole thing. Then they
realized didn't even need a bomb. They could just call
it a mechanical failure, which they did about a month later,
and then they went with mechanical failure thereafter.
Speaker 3: Amazing, What about this the man pad shoulder fired missile
allegedly out on the ocean somewhere, terrorist boat, terrorist missile
to this as far as something hitting.
Speaker 4: Not in terms of the missile taking out the airplane. However,
you know, I was on a show yesterday with Al Francis,
a twury captain. He believe, and it's not a far
fetched theory at all, that the missile that that the
Navy fired was fired at not at a drone, but
at either a a missile fire from a boat in
the in the Atlantic there or at it, you know,
or at a a explosive lade in aircraft designed to
take out seven forty seven you know. And so in
other words, he's saying that the Navy did not miss fire,
they fired at this other object, and there are the
aging systems are designed to do that to take out
the other missiles. Sure, but that you know it tracked
onto t to grade hundred and blew it up. That's
not out of the question at all, But we both
agree on al Francis and I were no one else
follows it more closely than we had agreed. There was
a naval missile that took out T grade hundred.
Speaker 3: Well, just to set the record straight here again RPG seven's,
which are obviously rocket propelled grenades, that's a different story,
much lower obviously ability to shoot in distance. But even
these man pads like they have today even more advanced
than then. So are you're saying, I mean, am I
hearing it clear that it's more than likely that it's
not something that they would fire shoulder fired from a
boat off the ocean. It more than likely has to
be a much more powerful rocket because from what I'm eating,
man pads don't necessarily run. And again, this is back
in nineteen ninety six, all the way up to fifteen
thousand feet or maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, I would say.
Speaker 4: I know you're right. I mean it's hard to be.
I mean, maybe under the right flooky circumstances they could
do it. It's actually a thirteen five or whatever. But
you know, I do believe. And this is kind of
interesting because it goes back to the Iran factor. He
believes that I think, as I interpret him right, that
it was a state sponsored terrorist act on a more
powerful missile than a manpad that is, you know, is
probably a stable boat launched missile. And you have to
remember that eight years earlier, we accidentally blew a a
Iranian air bus out of the sky and killed three hundred.
Speaker 3: I remember the day. It sounded like it was yesterday.
That's a sad thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean they had their reasons. I suppose
two days before the Olympics. You know, I know it's face.
We've been at war with Iran for forty seven years.
People who want to make believe that's not true are
denying the evidence. Here's what we also know is that
thinking it was a terrorist attack, the people in the
situation room, before they got all the information, were contemplating
what they called the Eisenhower option, which was a massive
missile attack on Iran. They believed that Iran was the
culprit A.
Speaker 3: Month back then, I mean, tensions were tight. I mean,
obviously we can go back into history and look at
the capture of our Americans over there with the original
called a month earlier.
Speaker 4: We do know that Iran was responsible for the bombing
of the Cobar Towers, an American base in Saudi Arabia,
killing killing nineteen Americans. So it was about two weeks
after the incident, Clinton did interview of this historian named
Taylor Branch in which he told him at that time
and Branch would promise not to publish any of this
for ten years that it was he believed it was
an Iranian missile that took out the plane.
Speaker 3: Totally amazing. Let's continue with the callers. We appreciate their patience.
Let's now go to line four Walt Iran and Yunkers
with Jack Cashell.
Speaker 14: Good morning to you, evenings or good morning gentlemen.
Speaker 15: I somehow have a minor connection with both TWA eight
hundred and nine to eleven. As a naval reservist with
dual membership in the State Naval Militia, I was got
active duty call up to go to a furtherheadlong aland
at the National Guard Armory where the Naval Militia had
responsibil basically taking charge of the debris as it was
brought on board from the US Navy. And we had
a briefing by Colonel Intenni, who was the commander at
the Armory and basically told us that whatever speculation ideas
you might have is just keep your mouth shut. But
I do remember on the night that the plane got
shot down, there was always many reports of a missile
going up. So fast forward that to September eleventh, and
I was teaching in one of the suburbs and the
security guard comes in and tells me, hey, Walt planets
hit the World Trade Center, And without even thinking, I
said f Ford in front of my class.
Speaker 4: Bin Laden.
Speaker 15: Turns out that we had some neighbors across the street
from where I live who were of shall we say,
Middle Eastern descent. They suddenly left the house that they
were renting on September the tenth, and of course we
made wherever they went to. And it turns out that
I've called a local police person I know, and I
got home from school and state police, local police, FBI
checked that house out and according to a neighbor over
discussing the investigators there saying that they had found plans
in that rental house to blow up George Washington Bridge.
So my speculation is that bin Laden or Iranians or
somebody said, look, we blow up their plane. The Americans
do nothing. We blow up their embassy with the Americans
do nothing.
Speaker 4: What do we have to do to.
Speaker 15: Get their attention? Let's blow up World Trade Center?
Speaker 3: You know something, Well, you bring up really first. Thanks
for your service, but in limited time here. It also
reminds me, right, Jack, of Operation Bojinka use airplanes as
weapons of destruction. All brings up some conversational points. Go ahead, Jack,
I'm sorry to cut you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. In Operation Bojinka, which was KSM. Ramsey Usepa operation,
was busted in Manila, I think in ninety five. They
had plans to do two things. One the most ambitious
one was the plant bombs on like a dozen airliners
going across the Pacific and they were all going to
Bowl at the same time. The other one, a little
more practical, was to charter a plane, take a charter
plane and stuff it with explosives and attack an American
target like I don't know which. The targets weren't designated, but.
Speaker 3: They could like a pre nine to eleven, right with
commercial airlines.
Speaker 4: That's right. Or they could have just tried to do
it to take out of a commercial airline like I said,
forty seven. So, but Bojinka was real Ramsey u Sef
was imprisoned at the Metropolitan Communication a correction Center in
Manhattan at that time. And khoalie Chik Muhammad, you know
the I know other mastermind was deeply involved in that
as well. So they all had bad actors out there.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I gather Ramsey Yusef. I think something he said,
I guess and tell me if I'm right on this.
I think I read it somewhere in the back of
my mind. I remember the first World Trade Center bombing.
They get him, and then all of a sudden he says, yeah,
he said, we didn't take the buildings down this time,
but we will.
Speaker 4: Fact You're actually right, because what they did is the
in the ninety three World Trades in aer bombing, in
which I think about a half dozen people were killed.
But their goal was to have one building topple over
into the other, right, And they made some mistakes. For
one thing, they rented the car and gave their real
IDs when they rented the van, right, and they were
able to bust them quickly. But the other thing is
that the place they parked the car, I parked their van,
but DI supposes was parked in the more strategic place
they might have even succeeded in what they were hoping
to do. They were totally disappointed at the outcome.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and using aircraft as weapons of war is certainly
something our government knew about for quite a long time,
and not to be able to stick a dart on
somebody in any administration. I think the Clinton administration knew
about this, even if they didn't act. Yes, the Bush
administration in their daily briefing.
Speaker 4: I know from Buzz Patterson because he carried the documents
around that Clinton had seen the Bojinka plans and signed
off on him. And personally, I think that's what Sandy
Berger was looking for when he risked his career in
his very freedom to pill for documents from the National Archives.
Speaker 3: Well, it goes deeper than that, I guess, and I'm
just remembering this. Sandy Berger. Of course, allegedly you or
factually steals government documents, maybe on this particular episode of
t W eight hundred and let me get specific, in
his underwear and socks. Is that a fair assessment? Oh
my god, out our.
Speaker 4: House, stuck him down there, stuck him down there, took
him back, took them back in a minutely took him
back through the department and shredded them and cover up
cover up a regional state secret original documents. The do
OJ nominally under George Bushman, being run by Democratic lifers.
I recommend a ten thousand dollars fine for that act.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, Jack. We're up against the break. I hate
to cut people short, but you know, in the cay,
in the in the space time continuum, the clock rules.
We'll be right back more with Jack Cashell and Line who,
Eduardo and Tampa. Stay there if you can, because we'll
get you on the air, and Kevin in Long Island,
anybody else will try to get you into the top
of the hour. Will conclude with what we really think
from the author's perspective, Jack Cashell, what really happened on
that date back in nineteen ninety six here on the
Doctor Sky Experience. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 16: This is Ada Lewis, better known as Grandpa Munster and
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Speaker 3: In memory of al Lewis, a good friend of mine
and many of you. Forty eight minutes after the hour,
we continue with Jack Cashall equally important are the people
who are Let's go to line number two, ed waterdo
and Tampa. You're on with Jack Cashell.
Speaker 14: Good morning, yeah, Doctor Sky and Jacob thank you for
sake of my car. A couple of things here. I
don't know if you think these are realistic points. First,
regarding nine to eleven, I think some of these people
that were in Florida they didn't want to learn how
to land planes. And how really stick is it to
have lasers on all these planes? Your environment is a
new medical company that was doing I just saw this
on sixteen minutes testing on drones, and I've seen lasers
shot out of the ships, the Navy ships. So why
in twenty twenty six we don't have lasers on airplanes?
Speaker 3: Interesting? There you go.
Speaker 4: No, that's a good question. I can't answer that. But
by the way, my grandchildren live in Tampa. Love this city.
I get there eight times a year. Probably beautiful Okay, yeah, no,
I don't I can't answer that intelligently, Edward, right, I
don't know.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Edward. I always appreciate you. On the
Doctor's Guy Experience. Let's go to line number five, Kevin'sman
patient in Long Island. You're on with Jack Cashel.
Speaker 4: Good morning to you, Good morning, great show. I love you.
Speaker 17: On Sunday with doctor Casaman Titis. I live on Long Island.
I've talked to enough people. That was definitely a missile.
Was it a shoulder fired? Was it on purpose? Was
it an accident? But more importantly, sir, I do request
your scientific explanation. How is the plane possible a TWA
seven forty seven to go more than five hundred miles
an hour at a ground level? Where was the plane
the Pentagon hitting the Pentagon? Where are the engines? Where
is your scientific explanations for nine to eleven?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 9: I know this is a sensitive subject, but how is
it possible that in Pennsylvania you don't see the plane?
Where was the passengers in the luggage in the Pentagon?
Speaker 4: Show us the.
Speaker 9: Plane, forget about the Allian planes. Show us the plane going.
Speaker 3: Across that lawn.
Speaker 9: Believe that a plane hit the Pentagon. Where's the evidence?
Speaker 4: The evidence?
Speaker 3: You're right? Physics, Kevin, You're so right. I've watched this
and how many times have we seen an alleged video
of the flight that hits the Pentagon? You're right? I
mean you see the cold that it made. Where's the aluminum?
Where where's the engines? As you describe? But Jack, your
thoughts on that, because they are these great mysteries. I mean,
it's incredible. Tell us more, Jack, if.
Speaker 4: You well, I'm gonna I'm going to disappoint people here
because I'm so speak conspiracy theorists. But the one guy
I trust, the guy named General Ben Parton. He was
the dissenting voice in Oklahoma City, Okay. He risked his
career to say a truck bomb did not cause all
this damage. He, however, was at the Pentagon that day
and he said, I had body parts in my hand.
I had uniforms in my hand. Anyone who tells me
the plane did not hit this building doesn't know what
they're talking about. And now I trust him and pardon
over someone else's opinion, because I know he's capable of
going out an edge to tell the truth.
Speaker 3: I know it's so sad because the flight that did
hit the Pentagon as we're talking about here, Obviously there
is some speculation out there where are all the parts?
But I guess when you're traveling that fast and you
hit something solid like that, there's probably not much left
at all. As you see the damage from the aerial
photography of that. It's crazy. But Kevin, thank you. We
bring up all kinds of different opinions, and we certainly
respect everybody as long as we talk about it right
and what we consider to be critical thinking in dialogue.
But let me ask you this before the clock runs out.
Your theory as we get to the end of the show,
what did happen in Jack Cashall's opinion here with CWA
eight hundred. What's the latest information that you could tell
this audience and what caused this at least at this.
Speaker 1: Point in time.
Speaker 4: Well, I would say the smoking gun for me is
the t of the PS three. How it is the
P three Rather, it was flying directly overhead flight orion,
and it was functioning as kind of an a wax
that it was this coordinating information among the members of
this battle group, which included both submarines and cruisers. So
you know, they would communicate to the P three, send
the signal back down to the other entities. It was
right there. It wasn't there for a terrorist, you know.
And back after the event, immediately after the event, it
flew down the South New Jersey to do a routine
sub hunt. You know, does that No, it was there
for the sake of coordinating a missile test. This the
really sharpest guy, and this is the guy who's led
the suit Quick versus raytheon, a physicist named Tom Stalkup
who's been working this case for thirty years. He and
I come to the exact same conclusion from different avenues,
technical skills meet from deducing information from all the various
variables involved.
Speaker 3: So in summary, it's one of ours, a missile with
a misguided situation. There looked at this aircraft or somehow
it was you know, I did, and somehow they didn't
recognize it was a commercial airliner. And for whatever who knows.
Beyond that you've given us your opinion. Let's try to
go to one more caller before we go ahead and
close out the show line Number two step in New Jersey.
You'll have to be brief, but you're on the air
with Jack Cashall's boyead.
Speaker 18: Yeah, hello, doctor scuy And here's my comment for the guests.
Pierre Salinger. As a result of this right and his theory,
he went from being the press secretary for the great
JFK and overnight when he came forward with his theory
that it was an iron missile, they savaged him, media
and the Clinton administration. He was never the same after that.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, they ruined his career. In November of
nineteen ninety six, before anyone had settled on the final
theory of what happened, the New York Times ran four
articles mocking Pierre Sallenger and with headlines like, Hey, Pierre,
is that a Masonic flag on the moon. That's a
real headline. And before that, you're right, he was the
legendary press secretary for JFK. He had been a secretary,
I mean, a senator from California, and he was a
widely respected international public relasions consultant. After that, he was
put out the pastors.
Speaker 3: Well, Steve, thank you for your commentary. You're spot on
on that. And even more important than anything I could
ever say is the tributed memorial to the two hundred
and thirty souls that perished on that night some thirty
years ago, and that the families relatives that still live
with this in their mind. Again, Jack, I really appreciate
you twa eighth under it, behind the cover up and conspiracy.
I'd like to do this in the future with you.
You're such a broad based author. One book if you
describe it, and I know it's not fair if we
have them in it or so, Ashley, the Untold Story
of the Women of January sixth, just give us a
quick look see and we'll have you on as long
as you would agree to talk more about these books
about American exceptionalism and the mysteries that we need to
hear about.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, in that book, I covered ten women
who went to Washington. I to coover why they went,
what the day was like, what they experienced just in
quick summer, and I just chose them almost at random. Amazingly,
all ten agree. I can't say that all the eight
of the ten who lived agreed to cooperate with me,
I said Ashley aboub Ittt's mother. Two of those women
were killed by the queas and the other eight of
the other eight, all of them were incarcerated and the
worst crime any of them committed was to break a window,
and that woman got born is in prison. The other
eight all just wandered around inside the capital Saint prayers
or taking snab selfies and they all were incarcerated.
Speaker 3: Wow. Other than and other words that those that perished.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, some of them were still in prison when
the Trump took over and part in it. But two
of the women who were killed Roseanne Boil when asked Ababbo,
and the other eight all went to prison. And when
you look at the nature of their crime and the
time they had to serve, you see that there was
one of the is the greatest mass injustice on American
soil since Japanese internment.
Speaker 3: Wow, powerful Jack will have to have you back. But
I'm going to get a yes or no from you.
Was that fine by you that we can do this again?
Speaker 4: I hope it is a young Yeah, I mean it's
I have to do it at night where I can
forward to stay up till two am.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it unless you fly to Hawaii and spend the
time doing the interview for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, all right, can't I live in Kansas City.
When I'm back in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: Is only one am will work it out, but I
do thank you Jack Cashell. Tell us again in substack
how do they get in touch with you?
Speaker 4: And hopefully substack dot com the best way to do it.
I subspect dot com and just look for Jack Cashell.
I would say this, if you have very special information
about eight hundred, you can go to my website cashal
dot com and they'll say you how to contact me.
Speaker 3: I think that's great and I'm sure you'll get a
lot of response because the mystery still continues here and
we're reriligient honored to have you as a guest right here.
So thank you. Blessings to you and everyone else who's
called the Doctor Sky Experience as we talk about these
great subjects that you tell us ladies and gentlemen that
you're of interest, the subjects of astronomy, space, aviation, weather,
celebrity guests, stories of American exceptionalism, and what about the
great mysteries fitting in with TWA eight hundred, the crash,
the cover up, and the conspiracy. Thank you so much,
Jack Cashell. We'll do it again, and blessings to you
in your family. Thanks for being one boy.
Speaker 4: Well thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Boy's a pleasure. Ladies and gentlemen, don't forget as immediately
after this show, stay tuned to the talk radio seventy
seven w ABC for another side of Midnight with Lionel
as he takes you into the early morning hours, just
at the time that the sun is popping up. And
don't forget we're in the dog days of summer. What
the heck is that again? July three to August eleventh.
Where do we get the name from. It's the rising
of the brightest star in the heavens, called Sirius the
dog Star. The ancient Egyptians use this and monitored that
is their agricultural cycles. They call it the heli goal
rising of serious hot, sultry days of summer. As you
would expect, it has an astronomical connection. And we do
appreciate our helmsman, both Bill and Jackson, for making sure
that you get on the air that everybody can be
heard clearly in the critical thinking and dialogue mannerisms of
which we do the show, a show that we call
the Doctor Sky Experience. Tomorrow we'll be talking with someone
about the subject of consciousness, the Book of Heaven. An
interesting woman Ashley. She's going to be on our radio
show and in hour number two we're going to go
aviation again and talk with an aviation legend, the great
book author like Jack Cashell, this one Bill Jennie, talking
all about some of the mysteries of this new Air
Force one and what happened when President Trump boarded the
older one and not the new one. And also about
American railroads, the history of great American exceptionalism. Stories you
might want to know and didn't know. On the Doctor
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