WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:05.440 Hudson River Radio dot com. 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:17.480 This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters. 3 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:13.519 In the world. 4 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:22.399 Beautiful headquarters, Good evening, good morning, good afternoon. Depending on 5 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.359 which part of this glorious globe you are on, you 6 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:29.960 are listening to UFO Headquarters on Hudson River Radio. I 7 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:34.280 am Michael Warden and of course with the illustrious one 8 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:35.240 on only the. 9 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:43.399 Zimmer Thank god, there's only one Zimmerman. How are you, Mike. 10 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:46.039 I'm not bad. It's been a little hectic, but you know, 11 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:49.520 it's it's Monday, so it's you know, how much better 12 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.880 can it be? Well? 13 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.719 We had an interesting weekend, didn't we did? 14 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:58.439 We did? Should you? Should you start it? Or should 15 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:00.679 I start that? Well? 16 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:05.640 It was the Pine Bush UFO Fair, and everyone knows 17 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:11.480 I have been a tireless supporter of the fair, the museum. 18 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:14.200 You know, I've put a lot of time into helping 19 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:16.719 the museum, and I've been going to the fair since 20 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:21.760 twenty twelve. It's always been fabulous. Well it wasn't so 21 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:28.959 fabulous this weekend. I for reasons that only the town knows. 22 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:35.200 They did not exercise their rain date for Sunday, which 23 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:39.799 was beautiful, and they had it. It was monsoon season 24 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:43.760 in Pine Bush, apparently on Saturday, and every the forecast 25 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:48.599 called for heavy rain all day and I didn't even 26 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:51.200 you know, I got all the prep. I ordered a 27 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:54.480 lot of books, cases of books, because it's always a 28 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:58.159 great day there. I couldn't set up a table in 29 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.079 the middle of the port, you know, seven hours of 30 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:06.040 pouring rain, so and a lot of vendors didn't set up, 31 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.960 and the ones who did they didn't get customers. And 32 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:14.280 there were a lot of wet, angry people and I 33 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:16.400 was one of them, how about you. 34 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.719 So I went in early, early in the morning to 35 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:25.080 apply some makeups for some of the actors and the 36 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:27.599 lead singer for the band, the guy would always has 37 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:28.400 a blue head. 38 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.360 Yes, who By the way, I really. 39 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:32.919 Want to do something cool with him at some point. 40 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.240 He's got such a great great head shape and everything 41 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.240 to do like cool alien stuff. Like I told him 42 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:41.240 that too. That's a compliment, you know, like. 43 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:43.960 You have such a great alien head. 44 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.639 You know, you make a great alien. But you know, 45 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:49.800 I did two prosthetic makeups and then then I did 46 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.520 his you know, whole head and blue and stuff, and 47 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:56.800 it was a lot of work, and I gave the 48 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.120 same instructions to all of them, don't let their ain 49 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.840 hit you because it's even though I sealed the makeup 50 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:05.360 with sealer, it's like that's a band aid on a 51 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.840 broken artery, and when it's pouring rain like this. So 52 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:10.000 but it was fun doing them. I got to you know, 53 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:12.960 I was like chatting with the talent as you're putting 54 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:16.120 makeup on and making aliens. Who I mean next to zombies. 55 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:19.680 How much more fun can you get? But it was 56 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:22.560 very wet, it was very rainy. I felt bad for 57 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.680 the people that were coming in off the street with 58 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:30.360 their soaking raincoats and clothes, and you know, I got 59 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.759 soaked just walking to the my short distance to my 60 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.039 jeep to put stuff away, Like I was like, this 61 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:37.159 is not happy. 62 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:41.800 Yeah, yeah I did. I did do my lecture and 63 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:47.960 there was amazingly a great standing room only crowd, but 64 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:51.319 there was hardly anybody on the street. Of course, why 65 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:56.120 should they be, and uh it, you know, I really 66 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:00.560 enjoy talking to everybody all day getting there. We always 67 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:06.400 get so many great witness accounts. So basically I did 68 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.639 all the work, all of the prep and hardly got 69 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:12.960 to speak to anybody and didn't have my to So 70 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:16.000 now I have a many cases of books sitting in 71 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:20.759 my living room with no events to sell them at. 72 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.120 And I just feel really bad for the vendors, who, 73 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.600 you know, you spend a lot of money and effort 74 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:32.759 getting everything together to do this fair and then to 75 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:37.680 not postpone it for one day when it was beautiful 76 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:42.000 and sunny. So somebody made a really bad decision. And 77 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:47.040 hopefully they're going to rectify this somehow. I was kind 78 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.160 of joking, I said they should have called it Alienation 79 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:55.920 Day because they've alienated all the visitors and the vendors. 80 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.920 So I love you, Pine Bush. You did wrong to 81 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.360 these people, and hopefully you make it right. 82 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:06.120 I guess if there was a silver lining to all 83 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.800 those ringy clouds, so it's We did separately get to 84 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:14.079 meet Nick Pope. Yes, one of the speakers at the 85 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:17.639 dinner in the evening, I believe. But Nick Pope is 86 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:22.439 a journalist, former Ministry of Defense in the United Kingdom. 87 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:26.560 I mean just he's on a lot of programs on 88 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:31.839 TV and just very smart man, very well spoken, and 89 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:33.600 it was great meeting him. I was, like, you know, 90 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.079 very down to earth. He was very like, yeah, just 91 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:40.439 another guy. So I certainly appreciated him taking a few 92 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:44.439 minutes to talk. And I wish I had seen his 93 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.439 his evening presentation, but I was like a wet dog 94 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:51.199 at that point and I was just going home and 95 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:52.600 changing and that was it. 96 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:57.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Nick did say he would be 97 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.480 one of be a guest on our show. Oh so 98 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:06.879 I will be contacting him, and uh yeah, that'll be fun. 99 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:11.959 So why don't we decompress, take a deep breath, and 100 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.279 we will be back with camp at your Own Risk. 101 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:25.319 Hudson River Radio dot com Hudson River Radio dot com, 102 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:30.040 subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment LLC, blasting the competition in New 103 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:31.399 York's Hudson Valley. 104 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:39.639 To be camping at our own risk this evening. 105 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.000 Yes, we've will. This is the talk I gave in 106 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:48.279 the pouring rain at Pine Bush, and I thought it 107 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:53.879 was since summer is supposedly here, even though it's just 108 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.639 cold and rainy all the time, I thought I would 109 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.959 pull together some things that happened while camping. 110 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:05.160 I appreciate that you're doing this today because I did 111 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.439 not get to hear you at the Pine Bush Fair. 112 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:09.399 I was still knee deep in makeup. 113 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:14.720 Yes, yes you were. So. You know I love camping, 114 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:18.720 you know, beautiful outdoors, communing with nature. But you know, 115 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:22.279 you just have that little thin tent between you and 116 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:28.600 whatever's lurking in the forest, and let's just dive in. 117 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:35.079 I got this idea for this particular episode because someone 118 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:40.120 just recently contacted me with an experience he had forty 119 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.920 one years ago. He's finally forty one years and he 120 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.639 finally wants to talk about it. This was July of 121 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:53.959 nineteen eighty four, which was possibly the busiest year in 122 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.439 the Hudson Valley Wave of the nineteen eighties. Let me 123 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.160 just put it this way, not a good idea to 124 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:05.759 go camping in the summer of eighty four. So we're 125 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:12.240 going to Colebrook, Connecticut. It's not in the Hudson Valley, 126 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:16.000 but you know it's a it's a UFOs throwaway from 127 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.759 you know, it's close enough. It's near the it's a 128 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.879 northern part near the Massachusetts border. And to this day 129 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:25.560 you can look up if you Google map it you'll 130 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:28.759 see there's like a I think it's like a triangular 131 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:34.519 shaped swamp or lake, and there's a bunch of campgrounds 132 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.320 and one of them is boy scouts? Were you a boy. 133 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.399 Scout for a brief amount of time, not very long? 134 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:45.120 Yeah? Yeah, you couldn't tie the knots. 135 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:49.960 I think I can still do a square knot. No, 136 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:51.360 I just couldn't do it. 137 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:56.840 That's fine. And of course I was never a girl scout. Really, 138 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.840 could you see me as a girl scout? I mean, 139 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:05.360 oh yeah, not meant to be. So we'll call them 140 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.840 Joe and Dave. They're about ten eleven years old, and 141 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.960 as boy scout camps do. One night, they're having a 142 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.519 big bonfire and they decide, oh, let's go into the woods, 143 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.320 because you know, deep dark woods are more exciting than bonfires. 144 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:24.440 So they're not far into the woods and they hear 145 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:31.080 allowed what he described as a base drop. Now, remember 146 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:38.080 the Star Wars, the Star Wars movie, the Star Wars 147 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:44.000 movie where they're powering up the Death Star and that 148 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:47.879 weapon and it kind of goes boom that sound you 149 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:51.559 can you know, you can look it up and they're like, 150 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.480 what the heck is that? And they look up and 151 00:09:54.559 --> 00:10:00.360 there's this huge boomerang. He said, it's at least two 152 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:05.679 hundred feet long. It's barely above the trees, not more 153 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:07.559 than one hundred feet up. So can you imagine a 154 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.440 two hundred foot craft just one hundred feet over your 155 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:19.000 head and they're following it. It's going so slowly, and 156 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:23.879 it has blinking red and blue lights, and it moves 157 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.840 down over the water, over that little swampy lake. And 158 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:32.799 how many times do we hear that craft whether they're 159 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:36.559 pulling water out, they're doing something. They're interested in the water. Right, 160 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:44.320 So it turns to leave. Now we've all seen planes banking, 161 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:49.919 They tilt, they take a little while to complete their turn. 162 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:53.440 You know, there's a bank in it. No, he said, 163 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.639 this was like a record on a record player. It 164 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:02.080 just pivoted ninety degrees, you know, completely flat, just pivoted 165 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:07.840 ninety degrees and started slowly moving off. And they get 166 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.600 back to the camp, you know, just a few minutes away. 167 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:15.720 They thought at most they were gone twenty minutes. But 168 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:19.159 when they get back to the camp, the bonfire has 169 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:23.159 completely died down, and now all the kids are going 170 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:30.480 to bed. Bonfire should have lasted hours, It probably did. 171 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:37.000 But where were they they were? He said, they were 172 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:42.120 both kind of in shock and dazed, and they go 173 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:46.080 to bed, and he said that night, Joe said, he 174 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:50.679 dreamt of being on a big ship and there were 175 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:56.679 he said, human scientists, men in blue jumpsuits with patches, 176 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.679 like military looking. He just gribed very vividly. There was 177 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.840 like a gangplank that he had to walk across this 178 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:10.039 elevated walkway, and below he said, there were all these 179 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:16.440 technicians and there was some kind of reactor spinning, and 180 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:21.320 he said he heard that same bass drop. Uh, Brian, 181 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:24.639 without putting you on the spot, could you possibly find 182 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.159 that death star powering up sound? You know that one 183 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:33.159 that goes woo okay, if you can. If you can't, 184 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.480 everybody can. It's on YouTube. Can look it up. But 185 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.000 so anow that they hear the same He hears that same 186 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:45.080 sound he heard in the woods. So the next morning 187 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:47.759 he wakes up, he's going to go find his friend 188 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:53.159 Dave and tell him all about his dream that night, 189 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:59.200 but Dave's brother stops him and says, wait before you 190 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:03.519 tell tell me, you know, basically tell me what you dreamt, 191 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:08.480 because his brother had told Dave had told his brother 192 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:14.600 all about the same dream, and it's the same exact dream. 193 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:21.759 So both boys had what a coincidence that they both 194 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.480 had the same exact dream of being on this ship 195 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:31.120 men in jumpsuits. This very interestingness reactor sound. 196 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:31.919 We can try it. 197 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:42.799 Let's see, okay, let's see if Brian has gotten that's it. 198 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:46.720 That was it? Good job boom? 199 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:48.080 Right? 200 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:54.480 Is that technically called a bass drop or I see 201 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:56.679 when you say bass drop, I start thinking drum beats? 202 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:59.440 But oh, okay, well that's what he called it. 203 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:01.960 Yeah, I mean it's descriptive. 204 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:07.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's it. Okay, So everybody can 205 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.639 go look that up and play. So it's not the 206 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:12.600 type of thing you want to hear over your head 207 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:17.159 in the woods at night, accompanied by a large craft. 208 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:20.159 Oh and by the way, the craft was beaming a 209 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.279 bright light. They were bathed in light. You never want 210 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:30.320 to be bathed in light from me from an unknown craft. Sorry, 211 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:36.360 never a good idea. So let's fast forward nine years 212 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.720 and about two thousand miles away to the bad Lands 213 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:44.159 of South Dakota. Either of you ever been to the 214 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:47.919 bad Lands? No, I haven't. I mean just the name 215 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:54.360 doesn't sound too inviting, does it. But so Joe and 216 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.960 now his brother are camping in the bad lands. Joe 217 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:04.519 doesn't remember anything because during this whole experience, that one 218 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:08.679 night he just sat there in a daze while his 219 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:12.759 brother is I guess somewhat flipping out because a huge 220 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:18.919 boomerang moved over them, and his brother described that same 221 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:24.200 bass drop sound. So it sounds like the same craft 222 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:30.120 from nine years earlier in Connecticut. Was Now that's that's 223 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:34.960 really disconcerting. It's scary enough to have this happen, but 224 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:40.200 nine years later, the same craft probably or one just 225 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:44.320 like it, finds you camping in South Dakota. 226 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:47.720 Well, isn't that one of the common threads we see, 227 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.960 especially a lot in the Hudson Valley cases, where it's 228 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:56.519 it's sometimes generational, but they follow these individuals throughout their 229 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:01.320 life and it's not surprising. I mean, it's it is surprising, 230 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.480 but at the same time, knowing so much we do 231 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.759 about the Hudson Valley and how people have encountered and 232 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:10.759 experienced this, it's almost like it's not unexpected for them 233 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.399 to have this encounter again and makes me wonder, what 234 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.559 about the in betweens, Yeah, you're. 235 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:22.600 Remembering, yes, and why this time does Joe not remember 236 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:23.919 it at all? 237 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:25.159 Right? 238 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:31.759 So, yeah, so I'm hoping I'm hoping to speak to 239 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:36.519 that friend who Dave, who was you know, at the 240 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:40.679 boy Scout camp, and hopefully we'll get more information from 241 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:45.559 Joe's brother, because not that I doubt the story in 242 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:50.320 the least, but everyone has a little different perspective and 243 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:56.559 often has just one little speck of information different or 244 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.759 in addition to and plus the one in South Dakota 245 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.080 photo doesn't even remember. So I'd like to get more 246 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:08.319 and also see Joe's brother what else happened, because you know, 247 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.440 when you're interviewing witnesses, no, no, that was well, but 248 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.920 wait now that you mention it, you know when I 249 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:20.240 was fifteen or this happened to my sister, So hopefully, 250 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:23.359 well we will get more information on that. But uh, 251 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:25.279 I love what I mean. 252 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:30.200 Starry interrupt. Brian will agree. As police officers interviewing every 253 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.559 witness possible on a big case, that's so important because, 254 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.319 like you said, some people perceive things different, they see 255 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.079 things different. Someone might have heard something someone else didn't, 256 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:42.519 or seen it from a different point of view or 257 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:46.920 an angle. So the more witnesses to an incident that 258 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:50.119 we can get to a sighting or to an encounter, 259 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:53.000 the better, because like you said, someone might have a 260 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.559 little bit different information. Remember it just slightly different where 261 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.920 it helps piece that puzzle together. That's why these eyewitnesses 262 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.839 are so important to talk to now, why they still 263 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.279 remember these stories and are willing to talk about him 264 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:08.440 or hopefully willing to talk. 265 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:14.599 About him, right right, Yeah, so I love Joe finished 266 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:19.000 up his interview saying that the nineteen eighty four incident 267 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.759 at the campground, when you know, when he was a kid. 268 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:27.880 He said, it's a memory I can't shake for forty years. 269 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:33.400 So that's the impact these cases have on people. And 270 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:38.680 again forty one years later, he finally wants to talk 271 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:43.720 to somebody about it, to tell his story. So it's remarkable, 272 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:45.599 you know, even. 273 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.720 Though you know, Connecticut might not necessarily be in the 274 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:51.480 Hudson Valleys, if you look at it from a very 275 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:55.599 big perspective, if you are indeed coming from another planet, 276 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:59.640 say on a spaceship, really everything could be whatever you 277 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.079 want it to be. You know, the Hudson Valley is much 278 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.640 bigger to them than what we would consider the Hudson Valley. 279 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:09.559 And again, that life that life changing event. Yeah, I've 280 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.480 said the same thing. I couldn't forget change me. 281 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:18.559 Yeah, And I've given whole lectures on how during the eighties, 282 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:23.799 these mass sightings would either start in Connecticut and end 283 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.200 in New York, or start New York and end in Connecticut. 284 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:32.279 So I mean they're you know, we are connected, and 285 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:34.960 you know, they don't say, oh, we can't cross state 286 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:40.799 lines there, you know. So all right, so hopefully I 287 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:43.519 may may be getting more information on that. But you 288 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:45.519 know what it reminded me of. I don't know if 289 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.279 we covered it on this show, but the Allagash incident 290 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.359 in August of seventy six, the four guys are in 291 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:55.720 the Allegash Region region of Maine, which is way out 292 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:59.440 in the wilderness there, and they built a big fire 293 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.079 on the shore because they were going to go out 294 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.039 and do some night fishing and it's so pitch black 295 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:08.119 out there you kind of need to find your camp 296 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:11.079 so you're not sleeping in the boat at night. So 297 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:14.160 they had this signal fire that, you know, so they 298 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:19.519 knew where to go back, and long story short, this 299 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:23.039 craft comes out. It's almost they feel like it's chasing them. 300 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.720 They're growing like mad to get back to shore, and 301 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:29.759 the next thing they know, they're on shore in a daze, 302 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:33.920 and the fires burned down and all kinds of things 303 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.480 happened to them. After that, you know, they got new 304 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:41.279 We see this a lot. People who have no artistic 305 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:48.839 ability to artistic ability suddenly you know, are artistic or 306 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:52.440 they have I think one of them got like crazy 307 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:57.319 math skills after this. Suddenly, and you know, you things change, 308 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.200 and that's maybe that's something we have to do a 309 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:04.160 whole story on. But you know, camping at your own risk. 310 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.759 So let's go to Let's go to the Hudson Valley, Palinville, 311 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:12.359 New York, North South Lake. Are you familiar with it 312 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:16.519 at all? No, it's supposed to be. Everybody says it's 313 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:20.559 a beautiful area. And this woman, Marge, it's about an 314 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:25.079 hour north of Pine Bush. And this woman, Marge, is 315 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:29.599 going camping with a group of twenty people on horseback. 316 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:34.000 They're going up this steep, narrow trail up the mountain 317 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:37.720 and they get to the top and they camp on 318 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.079 this ledge. She said, the views up there are just spectacular. 319 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:46.519 Marge was a little older than the rest. She was married, 320 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:49.960 she had a daughter. She said everyone else was young 321 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:54.119 and single and got drunk that night everybody else's party. 322 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:59.759 She was the only sober one. So she said that 323 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:06.599 the horses kept making sounds of agitation, and she would 324 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:08.519 she would get up and check on them. She's wearing 325 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.680 because they're camp near a ledge. If God forbid, one 326 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:15.119 of the horses got loose, you know, go over the edge. 327 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:20.000 But she said, uh three point thirty am, everything went 328 00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:24.039 quiet and you could hear a pin drop. Uh oh, 329 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:31.000 And suddenly the tent is lit up again, bathed in light. Words, 330 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.960 we don't want to hear. She has the courage to 331 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:37.079 lift up the flap, and she said, there are six 332 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:43.279 or seven big bright white lights hovering over the edge 333 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:47.319 of the ledge. These were not above the ground, they 334 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:52.440 were off the ledge, so hovering in mid air. And 335 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.880 she said, absolutely no sound. She tries to wake up 336 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:01.000 her drunk tent mate, who takes one look and then 337 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.640 like freaks out and buries her head in her sleeping bag. 338 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:07.640 And that was it. But she said, Marge said, the 339 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.799 next thing she knew it was morning. Wait a minute, 340 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:16.200 what happened to all? You know? This incident happened at 341 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:19.920 three point thirty and all of a sudden, it's daylight 342 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:28.279 and morning. She has no idea what happened, but yeah, 343 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:33.599 so another place for a potential stakeout. Even though that 344 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.079 was oh did I mention that was a summer of 345 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:45.720 nineteen eighty four. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what a coincidence. 346 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.119 I think you made one mistake though you said nineteen 347 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:50.799 eighty four was forty one years ago. There's no way 348 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:55.839 it does not feel like forty one years ago. 349 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:02.880 Isn't that scared? Yeah, yeah somewhere, Yeah, my mistake. I'm 350 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.680 sorry it was. I meant twenty eighteen, that was all. 351 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:11.079 Right? 352 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.480 Why don't we take our second break and come back 353 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.759 for more bad things that happened in the woods. This 354 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:23.039 is Hudson River Radio dot Com, your local Rockland County station. 355 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:34.680 This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. 356 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:40.000 Nothing good happens in the woods, Linda after and I 357 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.440 guess over the break, I did come to grips with 358 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:44.799 the fact that nineteen eighty four was indeed forty one 359 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:45.240 years ago. 360 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:51.279 Yeah, it's getting easier. 361 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.000 Where did all that time go? 362 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:58.000 I know, I know, Well, we're going back even further. 363 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:03.000 This one takes place in nineteen seventy five. And if 364 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:06.319 you grew up in Rockland County and where a girl scout, 365 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.000 you no doubt remember Camp Henry Kaufman. People came from 366 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.680 all you know, Scouts came from all over but it 367 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:19.079 was a very popular campground in the Orangeburg Pearl River area. 368 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.000 She was at it would call her Beth. It was 369 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:29.359 an equestrian farm camp. Half the day you rode horses 370 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:34.839 and half the day you did farming. So for about 371 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.680 a two week period and she went to camp all 372 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.000 the time. So she was, you know, used to camp, 373 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.240 not skittish about. And there was four girls per tent, 374 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.519 and they were platform tents, so it wasn't tents on 375 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.519 the ground. They were, you know, these wooden platforms. And 376 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.880 she said, for about two weeks, in the middle of 377 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.799 the night, there'd be these bright lights in her tent, 378 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:03.799 she'd see the flap go up, and she said she 379 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:08.160 would just be paralyzed. She couldn't move. And she said 380 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:13.240 she heard in her head, don't open your eyes because 381 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:20.640 you won't like what you see. Holy crap. Go yeah, 382 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:26.079 thought of that, yes, and she felt, you know, she 383 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.759 could she didn't open eye, but she could hear somebody 384 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:35.519 was in the tent. And then on several mornings one 385 00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:41.279 of the girls would wake up under the platform. You 386 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:46.559 could say, well they were, you know, sleepwalking or something. 387 00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:49.920 So of course they told the counselors who were flipping 388 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:55.839 out because this is not good for business, and they 389 00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:59.279 would check on them, but they they never found anything. 390 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:04.799 So she wrote to her mother, who immediately came to 391 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:08.559 pick her up. And Beth thought, oh, no, I'm my 392 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.400 mother must be mad at me. You know, I must 393 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.079 have done something wrong. She's coming to take me away 394 00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:20.079 from camp. But it was years later Beth's mother finally 395 00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:25.880 admitted she had had similar experiences. As a little girl. 396 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:33.160 She had been had these abduction experiences. So you might 397 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.839 not want to send your daughter to camp if you 398 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:39.000 had these things, right. 399 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:46.640 Yeah, but there's that intergenerational experiences again. It just it's 400 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:51.200 so amazing how similar. So much of this is spread out, 401 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.519