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Speaker 2: am Michael Warden and of course with the illustrious one
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Speaker 1: Zimmer Thank god, there's only one Zimmerman. How are you, Mike.
Speaker 2: I'm not bad. It's been a little hectic, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's Monday, so it's you know, how much better
Speaker 2: can it be? Well?
Speaker 1: We had an interesting weekend, didn't we did?
Speaker 2: We did? Should you? Should you start it? Or should
Speaker 2: I start that? Well?
Speaker 1: It was the Pine Bush UFO Fair, and everyone knows
Speaker 1: I have been a tireless supporter of the fair, the museum.
Speaker 1: You know, I've put a lot of time into helping
Speaker 1: the museum, and I've been going to the fair since
Speaker 1: twenty twelve. It's always been fabulous. Well it wasn't so
Speaker 1: fabulous this weekend. I for reasons that only the town knows.
Speaker 1: They did not exercise their rain date for Sunday, which
Speaker 1: was beautiful, and they had it. It was monsoon season
Speaker 1: in Pine Bush, apparently on Saturday, and every the forecast
Speaker 1: called for heavy rain all day and I didn't even
Speaker 1: you know, I got all the prep. I ordered a
Speaker 1: lot of books, cases of books, because it's always a
Speaker 1: great day there. I couldn't set up a table in
Speaker 1: the middle of the port, you know, seven hours of
Speaker 1: pouring rain, so and a lot of vendors didn't set up,
Speaker 1: and the ones who did they didn't get customers. And
Speaker 1: there were a lot of wet, angry people and I
Speaker 1: was one of them, how about you.
Speaker 2: So I went in early, early in the morning to
Speaker 2: apply some makeups for some of the actors and the
Speaker 2: lead singer for the band, the guy would always has
Speaker 2: a blue head.
Speaker 1: Yes, who By the way, I really.
Speaker 2: Want to do something cool with him at some point.
Speaker 2: He's got such a great great head shape and everything
Speaker 2: to do like cool alien stuff. Like I told him
Speaker 2: that too. That's a compliment, you know, like.
Speaker 1: You have such a great alien head.
Speaker 2: You know, you make a great alien. But you know,
Speaker 2: I did two prosthetic makeups and then then I did
Speaker 2: his you know, whole head and blue and stuff, and
Speaker 2: it was a lot of work, and I gave the
Speaker 2: same instructions to all of them, don't let their ain
Speaker 2: hit you because it's even though I sealed the makeup
Speaker 2: with sealer, it's like that's a band aid on a
Speaker 2: broken artery, and when it's pouring rain like this. So
Speaker 2: but it was fun doing them. I got to you know,
Speaker 2: I was like chatting with the talent as you're putting
Speaker 2: makeup on and making aliens. Who I mean next to zombies.
Speaker 2: How much more fun can you get? But it was
Speaker 2: very wet, it was very rainy. I felt bad for
Speaker 2: the people that were coming in off the street with
Speaker 2: their soaking raincoats and clothes, and you know, I got
Speaker 2: soaked just walking to the my short distance to my
Speaker 2: jeep to put stuff away, Like I was like, this
Speaker 2: is not happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I did. I did do my lecture and
Speaker 1: there was amazingly a great standing room only crowd, but
Speaker 1: there was hardly anybody on the street. Of course, why
Speaker 1: should they be, and uh it, you know, I really
Speaker 1: enjoy talking to everybody all day getting there. We always
Speaker 1: get so many great witness accounts. So basically I did
Speaker 1: all the work, all of the prep and hardly got
Speaker 1: to speak to anybody and didn't have my to So
Speaker 1: now I have a many cases of books sitting in
Speaker 1: my living room with no events to sell them at.
Speaker 1: And I just feel really bad for the vendors, who,
Speaker 1: you know, you spend a lot of money and effort
Speaker 1: getting everything together to do this fair and then to
Speaker 1: not postpone it for one day when it was beautiful
Speaker 1: and sunny. So somebody made a really bad decision. And
Speaker 1: hopefully they're going to rectify this somehow. I was kind
Speaker 1: of joking, I said they should have called it Alienation
Speaker 1: Day because they've alienated all the visitors and the vendors.
Speaker 1: So I love you, Pine Bush. You did wrong to
Speaker 1: these people, and hopefully you make it right.
Speaker 2: I guess if there was a silver lining to all
Speaker 2: those ringy clouds, so it's We did separately get to
Speaker 2: meet Nick Pope. Yes, one of the speakers at the
Speaker 2: dinner in the evening, I believe. But Nick Pope is
Speaker 2: a journalist, former Ministry of Defense in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 2: I mean just he's on a lot of programs on
Speaker 2: TV and just very smart man, very well spoken, and
Speaker 2: it was great meeting him. I was, like, you know,
Speaker 2: very down to earth. He was very like, yeah, just
Speaker 2: another guy. So I certainly appreciated him taking a few
Speaker 2: minutes to talk. And I wish I had seen his
Speaker 2: his evening presentation, but I was like a wet dog
Speaker 2: at that point and I was just going home and
Speaker 2: changing and that was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Nick did say he would be
Speaker 1: one of be a guest on our show. Oh so
Speaker 1: I will be contacting him, and uh yeah, that'll be fun.
Speaker 1: So why don't we decompress, take a deep breath, and
Speaker 1: we will be back with camp at your Own Risk.
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Speaker 2: To be camping at our own risk this evening.
Speaker 1: Yes, we've will. This is the talk I gave in
Speaker 1: the pouring rain at Pine Bush, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was since summer is supposedly here, even though it's just
Speaker 1: cold and rainy all the time, I thought I would
Speaker 1: pull together some things that happened while camping.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that you're doing this today because I did
Speaker 2: not get to hear you at the Pine Bush Fair.
Speaker 2: I was still knee deep in makeup.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes you were. So. You know I love camping,
Speaker 1: you know, beautiful outdoors, communing with nature. But you know,
Speaker 1: you just have that little thin tent between you and
Speaker 1: whatever's lurking in the forest, and let's just dive in.
Speaker 1: I got this idea for this particular episode because someone
Speaker 1: just recently contacted me with an experience he had forty
Speaker 1: one years ago. He's finally forty one years and he
Speaker 1: finally wants to talk about it. This was July of
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, which was possibly the busiest year in
Speaker 1: the Hudson Valley Wave of the nineteen eighties. Let me
Speaker 1: just put it this way, not a good idea to
Speaker 1: go camping in the summer of eighty four. So we're
Speaker 1: going to Colebrook, Connecticut. It's not in the Hudson Valley,
Speaker 1: but you know it's a it's a UFOs throwaway from
Speaker 1: you know, it's close enough. It's near the it's a
Speaker 1: northern part near the Massachusetts border. And to this day
Speaker 1: you can look up if you Google map it you'll
Speaker 1: see there's like a I think it's like a triangular
Speaker 1: shaped swamp or lake, and there's a bunch of campgrounds
Speaker 1: and one of them is boy scouts? Were you a boy.
Speaker 2: Scout for a brief amount of time, not very long?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you couldn't tie the knots.
Speaker 2: I think I can still do a square knot. No,
Speaker 2: I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: That's fine. And of course I was never a girl scout. Really,
Speaker 1: could you see me as a girl scout? I mean,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, not meant to be. So we'll call them
Speaker 1: Joe and Dave. They're about ten eleven years old, and
Speaker 1: as boy scout camps do. One night, they're having a
Speaker 1: big bonfire and they decide, oh, let's go into the woods,
Speaker 1: because you know, deep dark woods are more exciting than bonfires.
Speaker 1: So they're not far into the woods and they hear
Speaker 1: allowed what he described as a base drop. Now, remember
Speaker 1: the Star Wars, the Star Wars movie, the Star Wars
Speaker 1: movie where they're powering up the Death Star and that
Speaker 1: weapon and it kind of goes boom that sound you
Speaker 1: can you know, you can look it up and they're like,
Speaker 1: what the heck is that? And they look up and
Speaker 1: there's this huge boomerang. He said, it's at least two
Speaker 1: hundred feet long. It's barely above the trees, not more
Speaker 1: than one hundred feet up. So can you imagine a
Speaker 1: two hundred foot craft just one hundred feet over your
Speaker 1: head and they're following it. It's going so slowly, and
Speaker 1: it has blinking red and blue lights, and it moves
Speaker 1: down over the water, over that little swampy lake. And
Speaker 1: how many times do we hear that craft whether they're
Speaker 1: pulling water out, they're doing something. They're interested in the water. Right,
Speaker 1: So it turns to leave. Now we've all seen planes banking,
Speaker 1: They tilt, they take a little while to complete their turn.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a bank in it. No, he said,
Speaker 1: this was like a record on a record player. It
Speaker 1: just pivoted ninety degrees, you know, completely flat, just pivoted
Speaker 1: ninety degrees and started slowly moving off. And they get
Speaker 1: back to the camp, you know, just a few minutes away.
Speaker 1: They thought at most they were gone twenty minutes. But
Speaker 1: when they get back to the camp, the bonfire has
Speaker 1: completely died down, and now all the kids are going
Speaker 1: to bed. Bonfire should have lasted hours, It probably did.
Speaker 1: But where were they they were? He said, they were
Speaker 1: both kind of in shock and dazed, and they go
Speaker 1: to bed, and he said that night, Joe said, he
Speaker 1: dreamt of being on a big ship and there were
Speaker 1: he said, human scientists, men in blue jumpsuits with patches,
Speaker 1: like military looking. He just gribed very vividly. There was
Speaker 1: like a gangplank that he had to walk across this
Speaker 1: elevated walkway, and below he said, there were all these
Speaker 1: technicians and there was some kind of reactor spinning, and
Speaker 1: he said he heard that same bass drop. Uh, Brian,
Speaker 1: without putting you on the spot, could you possibly find
Speaker 1: that death star powering up sound? You know that one
Speaker 1: that goes woo okay, if you can. If you can't,
Speaker 1: everybody can. It's on YouTube. Can look it up. But
Speaker 1: so anow that they hear the same He hears that same
Speaker 1: sound he heard in the woods. So the next morning
Speaker 1: he wakes up, he's going to go find his friend
Speaker 1: Dave and tell him all about his dream that night,
Speaker 1: but Dave's brother stops him and says, wait before you
Speaker 1: tell tell me, you know, basically tell me what you dreamt,
Speaker 1: because his brother had told Dave had told his brother
Speaker 1: all about the same dream, and it's the same exact dream.
Speaker 1: So both boys had what a coincidence that they both
Speaker 1: had the same exact dream of being on this ship
Speaker 1: men in jumpsuits. This very interestingness reactor sound.
Speaker 2: We can try it.
Speaker 1: Let's see, okay, let's see if Brian has gotten that's it.
Speaker 1: That was it? Good job boom?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Is that technically called a bass drop or I see
Speaker 1: when you say bass drop, I start thinking drum beats?
Speaker 1: But oh, okay, well that's what he called it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's descriptive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's it. Okay, So everybody can
Speaker 1: go look that up and play. So it's not the
Speaker 1: type of thing you want to hear over your head
Speaker 1: in the woods at night, accompanied by a large craft.
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, the craft was beaming a
Speaker 1: bright light. They were bathed in light. You never want
Speaker 1: to be bathed in light from me from an unknown craft. Sorry,
Speaker 1: never a good idea. So let's fast forward nine years
Speaker 1: and about two thousand miles away to the bad Lands
Speaker 1: of South Dakota. Either of you ever been to the
Speaker 1: bad Lands? No, I haven't. I mean just the name
Speaker 1: doesn't sound too inviting, does it. But so Joe and
Speaker 1: now his brother are camping in the bad lands. Joe
Speaker 1: doesn't remember anything because during this whole experience, that one
Speaker 1: night he just sat there in a daze while his
Speaker 1: brother is I guess somewhat flipping out because a huge
Speaker 1: boomerang moved over them, and his brother described that same
Speaker 1: bass drop sound. So it sounds like the same craft
Speaker 1: from nine years earlier in Connecticut. Was Now that's that's
Speaker 1: really disconcerting. It's scary enough to have this happen, but
Speaker 1: nine years later, the same craft probably or one just
Speaker 1: like it, finds you camping in South Dakota.
Speaker 2: Well, isn't that one of the common threads we see,
Speaker 2: especially a lot in the Hudson Valley cases, where it's
Speaker 2: it's sometimes generational, but they follow these individuals throughout their
Speaker 2: life and it's not surprising. I mean, it's it is surprising,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, knowing so much we do
Speaker 2: about the Hudson Valley and how people have encountered and
Speaker 2: experienced this, it's almost like it's not unexpected for them
Speaker 2: to have this encounter again and makes me wonder, what
Speaker 2: about the in betweens, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 1: Remembering, yes, and why this time does Joe not remember
Speaker 1: it at all?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, so I'm hoping I'm hoping to speak to
Speaker 1: that friend who Dave, who was you know, at the
Speaker 1: boy Scout camp, and hopefully we'll get more information from
Speaker 1: Joe's brother, because not that I doubt the story in
Speaker 1: the least, but everyone has a little different perspective and
Speaker 1: often has just one little speck of information different or
Speaker 1: in addition to and plus the one in South Dakota
Speaker 1: photo doesn't even remember. So I'd like to get more
Speaker 1: and also see Joe's brother what else happened, because you know,
Speaker 1: when you're interviewing witnesses, no, no, that was well, but
Speaker 1: wait now that you mention it, you know when I
Speaker 1: was fifteen or this happened to my sister, So hopefully,
Speaker 1: well we will get more information on that. But uh,
Speaker 1: I love what I mean.
Speaker 2: Starry interrupt. Brian will agree. As police officers interviewing every
Speaker 2: witness possible on a big case, that's so important because,
Speaker 2: like you said, some people perceive things different, they see
Speaker 2: things different. Someone might have heard something someone else didn't,
Speaker 2: or seen it from a different point of view or
Speaker 2: an angle. So the more witnesses to an incident that
Speaker 2: we can get to a sighting or to an encounter,
Speaker 2: the better, because like you said, someone might have a
Speaker 2: little bit different information. Remember it just slightly different where
Speaker 2: it helps piece that puzzle together. That's why these eyewitnesses
Speaker 2: are so important to talk to now, why they still
Speaker 2: remember these stories and are willing to talk about him
Speaker 2: or hopefully willing to talk.
Speaker 1: About him, right right, Yeah, so I love Joe finished
Speaker 1: up his interview saying that the nineteen eighty four incident
Speaker 1: at the campground, when you know, when he was a kid.
Speaker 1: He said, it's a memory I can't shake for forty years.
Speaker 1: So that's the impact these cases have on people. And
Speaker 1: again forty one years later, he finally wants to talk
Speaker 1: to somebody about it, to tell his story. So it's remarkable,
Speaker 1: you know, even.
Speaker 2: Though you know, Connecticut might not necessarily be in the
Speaker 2: Hudson Valleys, if you look at it from a very
Speaker 2: big perspective, if you are indeed coming from another planet,
Speaker 2: say on a spaceship, really everything could be whatever you
Speaker 2: want it to be. You know, the Hudson Valley is much
Speaker 2: bigger to them than what we would consider the Hudson Valley.
Speaker 2: And again, that life that life changing event. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: said the same thing. I couldn't forget change me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've given whole lectures on how during the eighties,
Speaker 1: these mass sightings would either start in Connecticut and end
Speaker 1: in New York, or start New York and end in Connecticut.
Speaker 1: So I mean they're you know, we are connected, and
Speaker 1: you know, they don't say, oh, we can't cross state
Speaker 1: lines there, you know. So all right, so hopefully I
Speaker 1: may may be getting more information on that. But you
Speaker 1: know what it reminded me of. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we covered it on this show, but the Allagash incident
Speaker 1: in August of seventy six, the four guys are in
Speaker 1: the Allegash Region region of Maine, which is way out
Speaker 1: in the wilderness there, and they built a big fire
Speaker 1: on the shore because they were going to go out
Speaker 1: and do some night fishing and it's so pitch black
Speaker 1: out there you kind of need to find your camp
Speaker 1: so you're not sleeping in the boat at night. So
Speaker 1: they had this signal fire that, you know, so they
Speaker 1: knew where to go back, and long story short, this
Speaker 1: craft comes out. It's almost they feel like it's chasing them.
Speaker 1: They're growing like mad to get back to shore, and
Speaker 1: the next thing they know, they're on shore in a daze,
Speaker 1: and the fires burned down and all kinds of things
Speaker 1: happened to them. After that, you know, they got new
Speaker 1: We see this a lot. People who have no artistic
Speaker 1: ability to artistic ability suddenly you know, are artistic or
Speaker 1: they have I think one of them got like crazy
Speaker 1: math skills after this. Suddenly, and you know, you things change,
Speaker 1: and that's maybe that's something we have to do a
Speaker 1: whole story on. But you know, camping at your own risk.
Speaker 1: So let's go to Let's go to the Hudson Valley, Palinville,
Speaker 1: New York, North South Lake. Are you familiar with it
Speaker 1: at all? No, it's supposed to be. Everybody says it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful area. And this woman, Marge, it's about an
Speaker 1: hour north of Pine Bush. And this woman, Marge, is
Speaker 1: going camping with a group of twenty people on horseback.
Speaker 1: They're going up this steep, narrow trail up the mountain
Speaker 1: and they get to the top and they camp on
Speaker 1: this ledge. She said, the views up there are just spectacular.
Speaker 1: Marge was a little older than the rest. She was married,
Speaker 1: she had a daughter. She said everyone else was young
Speaker 1: and single and got drunk that night everybody else's party.
Speaker 1: She was the only sober one. So she said that
Speaker 1: the horses kept making sounds of agitation, and she would
Speaker 1: she would get up and check on them. She's wearing
Speaker 1: because they're camp near a ledge. If God forbid, one
Speaker 1: of the horses got loose, you know, go over the edge.
Speaker 1: But she said, uh three point thirty am, everything went
Speaker 1: quiet and you could hear a pin drop. Uh oh,
Speaker 1: And suddenly the tent is lit up again, bathed in light. Words,
Speaker 1: we don't want to hear. She has the courage to
Speaker 1: lift up the flap, and she said, there are six
Speaker 1: or seven big bright white lights hovering over the edge
Speaker 1: of the ledge. These were not above the ground, they
Speaker 1: were off the ledge, so hovering in mid air. And
Speaker 1: she said, absolutely no sound. She tries to wake up
Speaker 1: her drunk tent mate, who takes one look and then
Speaker 1: like freaks out and buries her head in her sleeping bag.
Speaker 1: And that was it. But she said, Marge said, the
Speaker 1: next thing she knew it was morning. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what happened to all? You know? This incident happened at
Speaker 1: three point thirty and all of a sudden, it's daylight
Speaker 1: and morning. She has no idea what happened, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so another place for a potential stakeout. Even though that
Speaker 1: was oh did I mention that was a summer of
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what a coincidence.
Speaker 2: I think you made one mistake though you said nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty four was forty one years ago. There's no way
Speaker 2: it does not feel like forty one years ago.
Speaker 1: Isn't that scared? Yeah, yeah somewhere, Yeah, my mistake. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry it was. I meant twenty eighteen, that was all.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Why don't we take our second break and come back
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Speaker 2: Nothing good happens in the woods, Linda after and I
Speaker 2: guess over the break, I did come to grips with
Speaker 2: the fact that nineteen eighty four was indeed forty one
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's getting easier.
Speaker 2: Where did all that time go?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, Well, we're going back even further.
Speaker 1: This one takes place in nineteen seventy five. And if
Speaker 1: you grew up in Rockland County and where a girl scout,
Speaker 1: you no doubt remember Camp Henry Kaufman. People came from
Speaker 1: all you know, Scouts came from all over but it
Speaker 1: was a very popular campground in the Orangeburg Pearl River area.
Speaker 1: She was at it would call her Beth. It was
Speaker 1: an equestrian farm camp. Half the day you rode horses
Speaker 1: and half the day you did farming. So for about
Speaker 1: a two week period and she went to camp all
Speaker 1: the time. So she was, you know, used to camp,
Speaker 1: not skittish about. And there was four girls per tent,
Speaker 1: and they were platform tents, so it wasn't tents on
Speaker 1: the ground. They were, you know, these wooden platforms. And
Speaker 1: she said, for about two weeks, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, there'd be these bright lights in her tent,
Speaker 1: she'd see the flap go up, and she said she
Speaker 1: would just be paralyzed. She couldn't move. And she said
Speaker 1: she heard in her head, don't open your eyes because
Speaker 1: you won't like what you see. Holy crap. Go yeah,
Speaker 1: thought of that, yes, and she felt, you know, she
Speaker 1: could she didn't open eye, but she could hear somebody
Speaker 1: was in the tent. And then on several mornings one
Speaker 1: of the girls would wake up under the platform. You
Speaker 1: could say, well they were, you know, sleepwalking or something.
Speaker 1: So of course they told the counselors who were flipping
Speaker 1: out because this is not good for business, and they
Speaker 1: would check on them, but they they never found anything.
Speaker 1: So she wrote to her mother, who immediately came to
Speaker 1: pick her up. And Beth thought, oh, no, I'm my
Speaker 1: mother must be mad at me. You know, I must
Speaker 1: have done something wrong. She's coming to take me away
Speaker 1: from camp. But it was years later Beth's mother finally
Speaker 1: admitted she had had similar experiences. As a little girl.
Speaker 1: She had been had these abduction experiences. So you might
Speaker 1: not want to send your daughter to camp if you
Speaker 1: had these things, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's that intergenerational experiences again. It just it's
Speaker 2: so amazing how similar. So much of this is spread out,
Speaker 2: of course over so many years. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I was having these experiences, if I'd let
Speaker 2: my kids go to the camp.
Speaker 1: Go out in the woods kids, what could go wrong?
Speaker 1: So when Beth grew up and had a child, her
Speaker 1: sixteen year old daughter came to her and said, there's
Speaker 1: this three foot man who keeps coming into my room. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now that's three generations of the same family. And
Speaker 1: this is the weirdest part. I'm just going to say
Speaker 1: what she told me that Beth lost three pregnancies. She said,
Speaker 1: these were confirmed pregnancies anywhere from seven weeks to seven months,
Speaker 1: and she said she was pregnant and then they were
Speaker 1: just gone. She didn't have a physical miscarriage, she said.
Speaker 1: And I have heard this so many times from so
Speaker 1: many people. You can take away whatever you want from that,
Speaker 1: but I can't tell you how many times I've heard
Speaker 1: it from women where they said they were just gone.
Speaker 2: Right right, No, no physical miscarriage, nothing biological, just.
Speaker 1: Not pregnant, right right. So, wow, we probably could have
Speaker 1: done a whole episode on this thing. So three generations
Speaker 1: of women in this family. Who knows what went on
Speaker 1: that they don't remember. But just like you said, targeting intergenerate,
Speaker 1: the same the same family. That's like Gary's family, you know,
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 2: Like how you know they tracked these long term studies
Speaker 2: where they medical studies like the you know, Framingham heart studies,
Speaker 2: and almost as if they're studying a family over generation
Speaker 2: for a reason, or or at least that's what it
Speaker 2: seems like. Like we're going to follow this and you
Speaker 2: wonder how much further back.
Speaker 1: It goes, well, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Mom's mom or et cetera. And it seems like it's
Speaker 2: on the female lineage unless the men just have never
Speaker 2: reported it in the family. But just very odd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I used to be a research scientist,
Speaker 1: and if you're studying a drug or a chemical or something,
Speaker 1: you study generations of the same line of mice or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. That's the best way you know to
Speaker 1: study things. So again, whatever, however you want to look
Speaker 1: at this, but not good. So all right, let's stay
Speaker 1: back in the seventies. Austining, New York, August of nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four. Austining's a very busy town now, but there
Speaker 1: is the Tee Town Lake area kind of a wilderness
Speaker 1: area still there. And three teen girls decide, let's go
Speaker 1: camping out in the woods by ourselves, because again, what
Speaker 1: could go wrong?
Speaker 2: That's the plot of how many horror movies.
Speaker 1: Now, that's right, that's right. This wasn't even cabin in
Speaker 1: the woods. It's sleeping bags in the way. They didn't
Speaker 1: even bring a tent. It was the ground was a
Speaker 1: little moist, so they threw down a tarp and they
Speaker 1: just put their sleeping bags down. So there were these
Speaker 1: three girls, I'll just name them one, two, and three,
Speaker 1: and witness number one who I, you know, spoke with.
Speaker 1: She said it was slightly misty that night, but there
Speaker 1: was still some ambient light so you could see things.
Speaker 1: And she's lying there and she's like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 1: There's a group of animals coming close. Oh they're coming
Speaker 1: right for us. And as this group of animals approached
Speaker 1: and got close, this is how she described them. It
Speaker 1: was eight to ten grays, three to four feet tall,
Speaker 1: large heads, very large insect like eyes, small mouth slits,
Speaker 1: and long fingers. And she specifically said they were flow walking.
Speaker 1: Well what does that mean? Flow walk? She didn't see
Speaker 1: legs moving, They just kind of flowed along, which is
Speaker 1: very interesting. She said, I was petrified. I thought I
Speaker 1: would die of fear, especially when one reached down to
Speaker 1: touch her. She said another one of them moved his
Speaker 1: arm to block that one from touching her. And then
Speaker 1: at that point, she said, they backwalked floated away. So
Speaker 1: again they floated forward and then they floated back away.
Speaker 1: So she's like frozen for a little bit, and finally
Speaker 1: she was able to, you know, ask their friends, are
Speaker 1: you guys okay? So Witness number three claims to have
Speaker 1: no recollection of anything. I'm not talking about it never
Speaker 1: said anything, okay. Witness number two said, I just don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it, okay, So clearly something happened
Speaker 1: to her didn't want to talk about it. Four years later,
Speaker 1: she finally says to her friend, all right, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what happened to me. I mean, they're so traumatized.
Speaker 1: Took four years to tell your best friend what happened.
Speaker 1: She said, whole mess of creatures eight or more moved
Speaker 1: rapidly like insects. She drew me a picture of a
Speaker 1: kind of a gray and she wrote, from the waist down,
Speaker 1: she wrote, she wrote in the word nebulous because it
Speaker 1: was kind of hazy. She said, they were nebulous from
Speaker 1: the waist down again, that bizarre flow. Something was going
Speaker 1: on the way they were moving. She was paralyzed with fear.
Speaker 1: And she said she got the sense that one of
Speaker 1: them was like a teacher. And she heard in her head,
Speaker 1: don't touch them, they're human, you'll scare them. Okay. So
Speaker 1: that was witness number two's experience. So both girls independently corroborate.
Speaker 1: One said eight to t the other one said eight
Speaker 1: or more, this strange motion very much describing the same
Speaker 1: physical characteristics. And as the one girl somebody reached to
Speaker 1: touch them, you know, and somebody blocked them, and then
Speaker 1: the other girl heard, don't touch them, they're human, you'll
Speaker 1: scare them. So I want to go camping, Mike.
Speaker 2: It sounds like an alien school field trip.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, but when you described witness number ones description
Speaker 2: of the fear when they when she saw this and
Speaker 2: when they're reaching out, I mean that was just guttural
Speaker 2: the way she just I can't imagine experiencing fear like that. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: and it's got to change you. I mean, obviously the
Speaker 2: other girl wouldn't even talk about it for four years.
Speaker 1: Right, and then the third girl would never still to
Speaker 1: this day, fifty years later, has not talked about it.
Speaker 1: So that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love the way you described it as a like
Speaker 1: a school trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, they're humans. Don't touch them, you'll scare them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of cases where people
Speaker 1: see a bunch of these and and they're in the
Speaker 1: woods or in a field and it looks like they're
Speaker 1: taking soil samples, like they're digging up something. We've covered
Speaker 1: that on a on a bunch of cases. So yeah,
Speaker 1: don't touch the wildlife. While you're out on your little
Speaker 1: school trip there. So yeah, that's and I wish we
Speaker 1: could show you the picture. It's in my it's in
Speaker 1: my book. But you know the fact that she did
Speaker 1: the head, the upper torso, the arms, but then from
Speaker 1: the waist down. She just described it as nebulous. So
Speaker 1: something bizarre was going on the way they were way
Speaker 1: they were moving. So if we haven't completely scared you
Speaker 1: away from ever going out in the woods again, I
Speaker 1: have one more left, another another campground of a bunch
Speaker 1: of kids all together. We're going to Brookfield, Connecticut. Mike
Speaker 1: gave me this story. It was either July of eighty
Speaker 1: four or eighty five. I'm probably leaning towards eighty four
Speaker 1: because that's when two other of these cases that was
Speaker 1: That was a quite the banner year for sightings and
Speaker 1: bad things happening in the woods. So it's about nine
Speaker 1: to ten pm. And guess what, they're having a bonfire,
Speaker 1: because when you have a whole bunch of kids in
Speaker 1: the woods, you need a bat signal to the aliens.
Speaker 1: Here we are.
Speaker 2: Here's a bunch of defense.
Speaker 1: Yep, bunch of defenseless children in the woods. And it's
Speaker 1: hilly area and from over the hill. He said. It
Speaker 1: was a craft, a dit. This one was a disc.
Speaker 1: And even though a lot of triangles and boomerangs were
Speaker 1: seen in the eighties, there's still were a lot of
Speaker 1: what we would call the classic flying saucer. So there's
Speaker 1: this hundred you know, size of football field disc only
Speaker 1: one hundred feet up that had to take up a
Speaker 1: good chunk of the sky at that altitude, I mean,
Speaker 1: one hundred feet is not very high. So it stopped.
Speaker 1: Guess what the craft where? This craft stopped over the pond.
Speaker 1: It was stopped low over the pond. And this is
Speaker 1: like a carbon copy of the other one, except different
Speaker 1: shaped craft. This one, this is interesting. It was silent,
Speaker 1: he said. It was a bright lime green craft, which
Speaker 1: is very unusual, he said, but it was a darker
Speaker 1: green in the center, so something was going on there.
Speaker 1: There were round lights around the edge that were white,
Speaker 1: yellowish red blue, and I just loved this detail. He said.
Speaker 1: Never was the same color light in an adjacent light.
Speaker 1: There were never two lights next to each other of
Speaker 1: the same color. And what an amazing detail, because you know,
Speaker 1: when you interview people, if they're making up a story,
Speaker 1: this is not a detail someone making up a story
Speaker 1: is going to tell right. Yeah, to the average person,
Speaker 1: it'd be okay, big deal. To me, that was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this guy paid attention. He you know, it's an amazing detail.
Speaker 1: So after fifteen minutes of these fifty plus kids standing
Speaker 1: there freaking out, Mike runs back to the office to
Speaker 1: get the camp director. You can picture, you know, some
Speaker 1: kid running into the kih there's a big UFO. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ha ha. But Mike was so insistent, all right, I'll
Speaker 1: go out and look at the UFO. And he looks
Speaker 1: up and oh blank. You know, he realizes this is
Speaker 1: not good. So he goes back to with the group.
Speaker 1: So there's at least fifty kids. There's the staff, so
Speaker 1: you'd figure what there has to be what ten other
Speaker 1: people on staff at least whatever, So you've probably got
Speaker 1: sixty sixty people and for a full twenty minutes, this
Speaker 1: craft is just sitting there. So Mike decidh he was brave.
Speaker 1: He grabs a flashlight. He wants to signal the craft. Well,
Speaker 1: the only Morse code he knows is sos so three dots,
Speaker 1: three dashes, So he's signaling sos at this craft and
Speaker 1: some other boy flips out says, stop doing that, you'll
Speaker 1: piss them off. I don't know why he thought maybe
Speaker 1: the craft was starting to react. I mean, we did
Speaker 1: a whole show on be careful what you ask for,
Speaker 1: because signaling craft doesn't always end well. But then it
Speaker 1: slowly started to move off towards Candlewood Lake, which had
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of sightings in the eighties, particularly eighty four.
Speaker 1: We covered the case where the police chief and half
Speaker 1: of his department had sightings. You know, they had been
Speaker 1: so when people were calling the police in that area
Speaker 1: with their sightings, they'd say, ooh, did you see a
Speaker 1: pink elephant too? You know they were They were not
Speaker 1: the nicest to UFO witnesses. And then suddenly, well I
Speaker 1: don't care what anybody saw, it says, we saw UFO,
Speaker 1: you know, once they had their sightings. So one last
Speaker 1: thing on Mike. He went on to be an engineer
Speaker 1: with multiple master's degrees. He attended a military academy, was
Speaker 1: extremely became extremely familiar with all forms of aircraft, so
Speaker 1: a very technical, knowledgeable guy. And he summed up that
Speaker 1: that experience and just said a lot of things. I
Speaker 1: can explain this, I can't explain not embellishing, not speculating.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I know a lot of things now, and
Speaker 1: this is something beyond what I can explain. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So and then there is that Winding Hills Park, which
Speaker 1: is right next to Pine Bush. So I still hope
Speaker 1: if it ever stops raining this summer, we can, uh,
Speaker 1: we can get a little SkyWatch camping tripman Brian do
Speaker 1: a live show from Winding Hills. We can do that,
Speaker 1: all right. So I have to check.
Speaker 2: Search lights and anti aircraft artillery artillery.
Speaker 1: No, hopefully you guys will be packing you you police officers,
Speaker 1: and I'll bring the bear spray and uh yeah, but
Speaker 1: I will be bringing a very bright, very high candle
Speaker 1: powered light to signal anything. I'm sorry, I have to
Speaker 1: do it. I have, even even though I warned people
Speaker 1: not to do it. I would. If something came by,
Speaker 1: I'd signal it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we have to as part of experiment.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I love to hear other people's camping experiences. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's the perfect opportunity. You're putting yourself in a very
Speaker 1: vulnerable position out in the woods alone, defenseless, and things happen.
Speaker 1: So there we have it.
Speaker 2: Any other comments, No, I'm just never going to go
Speaker 2: camping in a tent again to begin with. But if
Speaker 2: I had any residents any thoughts about doing it again,
Speaker 2: I've just completely eased them out of my mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would. I would sleep in our van.
Speaker 1: You know, the idea of a little thin layer of
Speaker 1: nylon between you and whatever is out there.
Speaker 2: If I either have a little thin layer of aluminum
Speaker 2: in an RV or something, yes or whatever. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just not doing it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of cases of you know,
Speaker 1: you could do a whole book. Maybe somebody has I
Speaker 1: don't know of bad things that happen while camping, and
Speaker 1: which reminds me, Brian, maybe we should do on our
Speaker 1: murder in the Hudson Valley podcast, people who get murdered
Speaker 1: while camping. That's a whole other Oh geez, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: might have a more immediate effect on people that you're
Speaker 1: not going to camp. Yeah, that's a whole other cam
Speaker 1: of can of homicidal worms. But so that's it. Bring
Speaker 1: us out in your own inimitable style.
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