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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's going to happen? I think?

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<v Speaker 3>What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I

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<v Speaker 3>got Lisa, a cult reject mad scientist, joining me tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>What is up, Lisa?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you this fine going in to this conversation?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? Yeah, it's been a while since we've kind of

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<v Speaker 3>really done like a strictly paranormal show and finally got

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<v Speaker 3>someone on that. I've had bookeds for a minute. I've

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<v Speaker 3>been very much looking forward to this, and tonight we

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<v Speaker 3>got Gina Black. Gina, what is up? Thank you so

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<v Speaker 3>much for coming on the Occult Rejects tonight. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>real quick if you don't mind, let everybody know kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like what you're dear is what you do with

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<v Speaker 3>the paranormal and all that and where they can find

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<v Speaker 3>your stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, thank you, Thank you so much for having me. So.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Gina Black, and I am a paranormal investigator.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also a photographer, blogger, and I am working on

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<v Speaker 2>a book about cemetery symbolism. I absolutely love learning about

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<v Speaker 2>the history of sculpture and the hidden meetings that our

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<v Speaker 2>ancestors were trying to hide for us to find. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a fun treasure hunt, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's an interesting thing that I want to bring

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<v Speaker 2>back into the conversation of modern times. So I absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>I love visiting interesting, creepy, spooky places. I travel the

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<v Speaker 2>world and I like to go to haunted locations as

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<v Speaker 2>well as historic cemeteries. So you can find me on

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and TikTok at Chihans and you can check out

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<v Speaker 2>my blog and my photos there.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, Thank you very much. You know, one thing I

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<v Speaker 3>did want to ask, like, the cemetery is in graveyards?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you think there was actually like I would assume

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<v Speaker 3>maybe because what you're trying to explain, like to symbolism,

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<v Speaker 3>do you think it's like a cult symbolism.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be, It absolutely can be. There are some

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, hidden symbolisms that could absolutely, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fall under the occult umbrella. I would say more of

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<v Speaker 2>it that we see in our modern cemeteries is from

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<v Speaker 2>the Victorian era. And during the Victorian era there was

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<v Speaker 2>this really big shift in really focusing on hidden meanings,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's just a wealth of information that is waiting

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<v Speaker 2>to be kind of rediscovered because over time less and

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<v Speaker 2>less people would go to cemeteries. They kind of fell

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<v Speaker 2>out of fashion, you know, even in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>you knows, as a society, we used to go to

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<v Speaker 2>cemeteries on Sundays after church and you would have a

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<v Speaker 2>picnic with your family and you would sit and reminisce

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<v Speaker 2>about your loved one. And then you know, the public

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<v Speaker 2>parks were really pushed more to the forefront. Public parks

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<v Speaker 2>were created, so people really weren't going to cemeteries anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>and people it just kind of fell out of vogue,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And nowadays all of that is lost, and

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<v Speaker 2>unless you're talking to an old timer or somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>maybe is giving a cemetery tour, you might not even

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<v Speaker 2>really realize what these hidden meetings are. So for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just been a really cool journey to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>decipher all of these little, you know, treasure hunts situations

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<v Speaker 2>around the world. And I absolutely love it. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's awesome. Yeah, No, it definitely looks like it

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<v Speaker 3>from the stuff I've seen your post. I just found

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<v Speaker 3>that interesting. It's like, you know, even like the person's

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<v Speaker 3>like on their way out the door, they're dead, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're still dropping symbolism on their tombstone, like you can't stop.

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<v Speaker 3>It's your final resting place. You still had to leave

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<v Speaker 3>a symbol for something that's funny, and.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people plan them out before they do

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<v Speaker 2>the artwork planned out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's to say, like a quote or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, a real occult. This is going to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that gravestone has something on that. Oh yeah, what's some

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<v Speaker 3>of the craziest places that you've you know what? Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'll bring this up first and then maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that will kind of lead us into it. I did

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<v Speaker 3>want to pull up some of the photos I did

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<v Speaker 3>see you post on Instagram with some of the graveyards

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<v Speaker 3>and cemeteries you've been to. I'm going to pull those

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<v Speaker 3>up real quick. This one, this place, can you you

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<v Speaker 3>can see it correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Yeah, that was in the Pierre la Chase Cemetery

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<v Speaker 2>in Paris. It is most notably, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people might know it because that's the final resting

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<v Speaker 2>place of Jim Morrison. And when I was in Paris

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<v Speaker 2>last summer, I was just you know, I went to

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<v Speaker 2>Paris specifically for this cemetery and for the catacombs, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is just an incredible property filled with amazing sculpture.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, Jim morrisons, Yeah, yeah, this is pretty big.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a lot of things like that. What made

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<v Speaker 3>you go to this place was that one of the

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<v Speaker 3>reasons why, like, is it Jim Morrison really.

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<v Speaker 2>Or well someone who's an enthusiast of cemetery sculpture. Parella

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<v Speaker 2>Chase is actually the most visited cemetery in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's an interesting place because there's just so many

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<v Speaker 2>examples of cemetery symbolism. When you look at these monuments

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<v Speaker 2>and you look at these sculptures and you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the headstones, you'll see things like, you know, the wreath

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<v Speaker 2>on the door just below where you were just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>showing the wreath represents eternal life, the idea that life

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<v Speaker 2>and death are kind of a encircling situation. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of what's coming next. And you see the

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<v Speaker 2>different flowers, they all have different symbolisms. If you see

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<v Speaker 2>onto the right there where there's the urn, it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like covered in a veil. Basically, the when you see

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<v Speaker 2>fabric draped over areas of a headstone or a mausleum,

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<v Speaker 2>it represents the veil between life and death, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>we're just beyond the veil from our loved one, and

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<v Speaker 2>the momentumory of that is, hey, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>where I am and so will you be one day.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a reminder of, you know, live life to

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<v Speaker 2>the fullest. So you get these interesting, interesting motifs throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the cemetery in that property in Paris.

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<v Speaker 3>Something I want to ask, the silly question maybe I

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<v Speaker 3>don't even know if you know the answer to it,

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<v Speaker 3>is this like a predominantly Catholic cemetery.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say so, I would say so, there's mostly

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<v Speaker 2>mostly Catholic graves, but there are others that were Catholic.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually witnessed a few that had There was a

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<v Speaker 2>few that had skulls. There were a few that. Now

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing is the direction of the graves. So

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<v Speaker 2>in a Catholic plot, you are always going to face east. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you see a grave or a plot that's facing

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<v Speaker 2>another direction, that typically meant back in the Victorian times

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<v Speaker 2>that you were either exiled from the church, or perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>you were protesting against the church, or you were either

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<v Speaker 2>accused of witchcraft or you were proclaiming you were which

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<v Speaker 2>because people that faced the west were not aligned with

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<v Speaker 2>the church. So that's another thing that's kind of interesting

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<v Speaker 2>about that property. And you do see some of that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like even like this stuff here, it's is

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<v Speaker 3>constant things I've only seen. They find it interesting how

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<v Speaker 3>it's always either on some Masonic buildings in Catholic churches,

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<v Speaker 3>same architecture, this thing in the back. Yeah, that's why

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<v Speaker 3>I asked it was Catholic, because I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's in the in the Birth of Venus painting,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a famous painting. You know, I forget who

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<v Speaker 2>the artist was, but you see that kind of iconic

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<v Speaker 2>sculpture behind her. Yes, it's very similar. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>they're mimicking the Romans. They're mimicking the ancient Greeks, and

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<v Speaker 2>you see that a lot in the Victorian cemeteries. Is

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<v Speaker 2>they were really looking at these romantic statues and they

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<v Speaker 2>were taking that inspiration into the cemetery.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually was looking. I don't I don't have a mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't find it fast enough, but maybe later. I

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<v Speaker 3>actually that photo that you talk about, I actually use

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<v Speaker 3>that a lot to show how I think it's actually

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<v Speaker 3>silly as it sounds, that painting is depicting the inside of.

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<v Speaker 2>The arrival, inside of your eyeball.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'll I'll see if I can try to pull

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<v Speaker 3>it up later, maybe while you're talking, I can try

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<v Speaker 3>to find Yeah, because I have, I can show you

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<v Speaker 3>the comparison. It's yeah. Yeah. When we did it a cult,

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<v Speaker 3>we did a series on occult symbolism it's all inside

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<v Speaker 3>you head or something, and we focused on the eyeballs. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I do actually think that painting is, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 3>from the eyeball.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well that and that's exactly why I think this

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<v Speaker 3>art is on Catholic Catholic churches is because I think

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<v Speaker 3>they actually understood the eyeball as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, most of the most of these sculptures. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>the time of when they were making all of these sculptures,

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<v Speaker 1>they were closeted anatomists in that they were digging up

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<v Speaker 1>bodies and uh and doing I guess sisections on cadavers.

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<v Speaker 1>They were obsessed with the anagomy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The Leonardo da Vinci was actually one of the most prolific,

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<v Speaker 2>uh you know, artists that also did a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>dissections in his notebooks and did a lot of incredible

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<v Speaker 2>work that was very much kind of hidden from time

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, hundreds of years before it was rediscovered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>This one's wild. Where's this one that is.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same property in Paris? And you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>see that that reef that they're holding up, and that

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<v Speaker 2>means not only does it mean eternity, doesn't mean life

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<v Speaker 2>is a continuation death in life for the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but it also in this case it's representing victory because

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<v Speaker 2>they're holding it up. So the way I would interpret

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<v Speaker 2>this culture is that this man who is on the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the pedestal is someone who had you know,

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<v Speaker 2>was victorious in life, made he was a successful businessman,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he was a successful military person, and he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to be recognized for these accomplishments. The wreath also depending

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<v Speaker 2>on how you look at it, Some people look at

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<v Speaker 2>reads as definitely going back to the Roman in ancient

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<v Speaker 2>Greek times, because they would put a wreath on top

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<v Speaker 2>of your head if you won the Olympics, or if

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<v Speaker 2>you were a military person or royalty in Rome, you

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<v Speaker 2>would wear a wreath on top of your head, So

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<v Speaker 2>that could also play into the symbolism. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>found so impressive about this particular sculpture that when I

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<v Speaker 2>took this photo is this is all bronze. This is

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute incredible sculpture that, in my opinion, is worthy

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<v Speaker 2>of being in a museum somewhere, and you're just going

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<v Speaker 2>to see it in a park like setting, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just an interesting part of the cultural history that's in

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<v Speaker 2>the background of Paris. Because when you think of Paris,

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<v Speaker 2>you think, oh, I'm going to go to the Eiffel Tower,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go to the Louver, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go to all these places. But you don't think to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the cemetery unless you're spooky, like you know

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<v Speaker 2>some of us are. But there is a huge, huge

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<v Speaker 2>amount of wealth in this cemetery of all types of artwork,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's, in my opinion, one of the best I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen. I'm selling it. I don't work for the

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<v Speaker 2>cemetery guys, because I absolutely I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering if a lot of the stuff I got

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<v Speaker 3>kind of look like the same type of this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the next one, Okay, this one is actually from

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<v Speaker 2>New Orleans. Yes, this one was from New Orleans and

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<v Speaker 2>the military Cemetery and this is a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>think to go just immediately to Lafayette Number one or

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<v Speaker 2>Lafayette number two, which are within the city limits kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the downtown area, very close to the Garden district.

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<v Speaker 2>But this one is just outside of the city proper.

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<v Speaker 2>And this place was recommended to me by a friend

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<v Speaker 2>who lives in the area, and she said, listen, you

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<v Speaker 2>love sculpture, you got to go to this place because

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<v Speaker 2>there are some incredible examples of mausoleums. Because in New

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to see a lot of these beautiful mausoleums.

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<v Speaker 2>So this particular one, when I was on the property,

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<v Speaker 2>I walked up to it just wanting to get a

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<v Speaker 2>closer look of this beautiful stained glass window. And lo

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<v Speaker 2>and behold, the doors were open, so we got to

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<v Speaker 3>Did you happen to notice on the glass, like depending

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<v Speaker 3>on which way you angle that, like looked at the light,

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<v Speaker 3>might have seen different etching in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually took a close up of this, which was

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<v Speaker 2>notice anything at the time, but you know, with all art,

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<v Speaker 2>there's room for interpretation, and I certainly think that depending

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<v Speaker 2>on you know, there it is, so you got it, Yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>you can look get this. You know, perhaps as we

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<v Speaker 2>have the top area looks kind of like a sun

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<v Speaker 2>that might represent in a lot of imagery, the sun

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<v Speaker 2>represents Jesus Christ because he's considered the son of God,

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<v Speaker 2>so that could be some symbolism there. There might even

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<v Speaker 2>be some crucifixes in there if you look closely, some flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're looking at art, and there's a lot of flowers,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of Christian images with the flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned actually that there is a flower that it

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<v Speaker 2>Passion flower or the you know, kind of link to

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<v Speaker 2>the passion of Christ, and that particular flower comes up

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<v Speaker 2>a lot within paintings of Bible scenes and it represents

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus and the Holy Trinity, so that could be part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But there are some interesting colors in this

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<v Speaker 2>one which you normally do not find in mausoleum. So

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<v Speaker 2>this one definitely stood out from the crowd. Then, of

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<v Speaker 2>course this was designed for the Mezierri. I might not

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<v Speaker 2>be pronouncing that correctly Mezierri uh. And it's in New

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<v Speaker 2>Orleans either Metri perhaps Metri along those signs. Ooh, this one.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a cool spot that I absolutely loved. So

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<v Speaker 2>I have this funny thing that happens, and I swear

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<v Speaker 2>it's not something I plan. But whenever I travel, I

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<v Speaker 2>always get Airbnbs because a lot of times I might

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<v Speaker 2>be staying for a week to two weeks. And in

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<v Speaker 2>this particular trip, I was in London and I was

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<v Speaker 2>staying in an area, a suburb of London known as Hempstead,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the Hempstead Cemetery. Now it's not considered

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<v Speaker 2>if you've ever heard of the Marvelous Seven, which are

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<v Speaker 2>the seven very famous properties of London, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>considered one. However, it has some incredible sculpture. And what

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was kind of interesting during my research was

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<v Speaker 2>the Hempstead Cemetery was kind of mentioned in some articles

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<v Speaker 2>about the Highgate Cemetery Vampire, which is not far away,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a lot of kind of interesting information

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<v Speaker 2>that was shared in these publications that kind of scared

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<v Speaker 2>the community into thinking that there were vampires in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies. So it was a pretty interesting time. And

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<v Speaker 2>this particular property was about one block from where I

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<v Speaker 2>was staying, and it was it just had some really

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<v Speaker 2>really really cool sculpture in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it looks thinks pretty cool. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was also that same property that I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>before from New Orleans. And you can see just the

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<v Speaker 2>incredible details and the just the scale of how these

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<v Speaker 2>mausoleums are designed is truly truly, truly just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>very inspiring. And you'll see on this one we have

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<v Speaker 2>Gothic elements from Gothic churches. There's also some ancient Greek

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<v Speaker 2>elements with the Corinthian style columns. You'll see those a

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<v Speaker 2>lot in ancient Greece and Rome. And you see just

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<v Speaker 2>these beautiful, beautiful, tiny details that were all hand carved,

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<v Speaker 2>because none of these were cookie cutter in any way.

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<v Speaker 2>The family had to commission an artist to come and

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<v Speaker 2>sculpt these pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>These particular mausoleums, they remind me of a birth canal,

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<v Speaker 1>like almost like you come into this world in a

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. That's really interesting. Me, that's the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of life and day. That's the cycle of life. That's

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting. I really like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in New Orleans. This one, you know, you can

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<v Speaker 2>see that there's you know, we we have the angel

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<v Speaker 2>up top. The angels are always a representation of messengers

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<v Speaker 2>from God, and in some cases, when the angel is

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<v Speaker 2>looking down over that the this these persons plot, this

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<v Speaker 2>might mean that they're being looked after or they're being

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<v Speaker 2>watched over from heaven. And you know, it's just that

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<v Speaker 2>I always personally love to find cemetery angels. It's actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for me, whenever I see one, I always

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<v Speaker 2>have to photograph them, and it's they're just they have

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<v Speaker 2>such a presence, you know, it's just a peaceful watcher

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<v Speaker 2>kind of presence in a cemetery that I always really

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<v Speaker 2>really care for. Oh yeah, yeah, this is This is

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<v Speaker 2>also in New Orleans. I really love this one as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And now a fun fact is the Victorian era was

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<v Speaker 2>very very into the ancient Egyptian artwork. And around that time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, during the eighteen hundreds, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of excavations going on of tombs and we had all

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<v Speaker 2>this information coming out about explorers finding riches and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pyramids and all of this was in the forefront in

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<v Speaker 2>the papers, and it became fascinating for the Victorians. So

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<v Speaker 2>you see a lot of that in cemeteries. You might

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<v Speaker 2>see a sphinx, you might see a pyramid. But this

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<v Speaker 2>one they really went all out. And you have up

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<v Speaker 2>top here with the wings and that circular element that

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<v Speaker 2>represents the sun god raw and I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>female figure on the left is some sort of goddess.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not exactly sure who, but you know, certainly someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's welcoming the spirits into the afterlife, you know, by

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<v Speaker 2>kind of raising that hand, you know, kind of bringing

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<v Speaker 2>them to the afterlife. Is kind of the way I

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<v Speaker 2>read that statue. But absolutely incredible detail.

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<v Speaker 4>Really yeah, I think so, yeah, sorry controm here, That's

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<v Speaker 4>why I'm assuming it's the same one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the same property. I usually do them in

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<v Speaker 2>series in a series, so if I visit a property,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll kind of release them all around the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, this is also New Orleans, and this certainly

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of Catholic imagery on this one, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's I just I absolutely love to see

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<v Speaker 2>when you see these figures draped in cloaks and shrouds.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a beautiful you know, the way that they

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<v Speaker 2>hug the body is a very interesting thing in sculpture

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<v Speaker 2>and it's very hard to do as an artist. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>also a painter and I draw, and when when you're

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<v Speaker 2>drawing fabric like that, I can't even imagine sculpting fabric

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<v Speaker 2>like that. It's so difficult to make it look natural.

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<v Speaker 2>And these it's just a beautiful example of one.

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<v Speaker 3>Was that I show this one earlier?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, yes, that's the one with the eas stained glass. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is one that was taken in the Highgate

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<v Speaker 2>Cemetery in London. Highgate is the very samous famous cemetery,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had mentioned before there was a vampire panic.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was actually the nineteen sixty eight, it

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<v Speaker 2>was nineteen seventies. I think it was nineteen sixty eight

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<v Speaker 2>was the vampire panic. But it happened in this property

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<v Speaker 2>and people actually thought there were vampires sleeping and hiding

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<v Speaker 2>away in this in this cemetery, which is pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, it's local lore goes, it's it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>wild and it was something that the local papers were

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<v Speaker 2>actually publishing and people on talk shows were actually putting

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<v Speaker 2>out there to the public. So it was a big panic.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, and when was that again, I'm gonna I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Just gonna double check here. I want to say it

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<v Speaker 2>was nineteen sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see, that's very recent.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very recent, and people really thought that there

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<v Speaker 2>were vampires.

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<v Speaker 3>Lansdale was behind that. It's quite dead, right. What happened

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<v Speaker 3>I was joking about. There was this guy who worked

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<v Speaker 3>for the CIA. His last name was Lansdale, and he

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<v Speaker 3>went over to the Philippines and actually had people out

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<v Speaker 3>in the woods thinking that there was vampires killing people

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<v Speaker 3>because they were hanging people from the trees and like

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<v Speaker 3>stabbing them in the neck. Oh yeah, they're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>like literally scare people, the Filipino people that they thought

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<v Speaker 3>might have been like horroring communists. So they're like literally

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<v Speaker 3>made people think that there was a vampires out there.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they were flying around in helicopters like sending

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<v Speaker 3>like like messages out sounding it was like ghosts and

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<v Speaker 3>making it sound like the very easy Yeah yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm sorry, So this was actually it's saying

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies. I knew was the end of the It's

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<v Speaker 2>his late sixties, early seventies. So it wasn't that in

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<v Speaker 2>that time, in that time era of the the vampires

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<v Speaker 2>of this property. Sorry, I just wanted to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>I got that close.

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<v Speaker 5>Very recent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was, and it was in occult society.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were hanging out in the cemetery and they

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<v Speaker 2>claimed to see a vampire walking around. And they sat

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<v Speaker 2>down and they were interviewed, and all these people were

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<v Speaker 2>listening to these two guys, and they were saying, oh

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<v Speaker 2>I saw a vampire, and oh I saw it too,

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<v Speaker 2>And they claimed that they were finding animals in the

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<v Speaker 2>cemetery drained of all of their blood. And they wiled up,

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<v Speaker 2>when I tell you, mobs of people, okay, came into

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<v Speaker 2>opening up vaults in their catacomb area where they had caskets,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of like a you know, in a

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<v Speaker 2>in a wall, and they were ripping open these these

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<v Speaker 2>caskets and staking the bodies inside. And this was the

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<v Speaker 2>late sixties, early seventies. They went on and in London,

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<v Speaker 2>of all places, is.

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<v Speaker 1>This a promise for an interview with the Vampire.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not actually, but it's interesting. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of cool because you know, now we have

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<v Speaker 2>nos Faratu and everybody that's back on the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on everyone's radar because they did the remake, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>then we have this story, this local story that really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of riled people up and had people in a panic.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you im want to ask one more question? I apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you happen to know what a Cold Society was?

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<v Speaker 2>It was? I know the guy's name was Sean Manchester

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<v Speaker 2>and I believe the other guy's name was I'll find

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<v Speaker 2>it for you. I can send you can I send?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't send something to the chat. I don't know

421
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<v Speaker 2>if I'm able to do that.

422
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<v Speaker 3>So you might be able to send like a link

423
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<v Speaker 3>in the private jet and I could pick that up.

424
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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

425
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<v Speaker 5>It's so interesting though, and it was so recent.

426
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.799
<v Speaker 2>It was so recent people the name of a British

427
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:18.519
<v Speaker 2>occult society. So the British Occult Society. It was Seawan

428
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<v Speaker 2>ment Chester and David Farrant were the two guys that

429
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.960
<v Speaker 2>were in the British Occult Society. And what happened was

430
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<v Speaker 2>they there was some vandalism the day after Halloween in

431
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<v Speaker 2>the cemetery, right, So what do you think that would

432
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<v Speaker 2>be if you saw if you went to the cemetery

433
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.079
<v Speaker 2>the day after Halloween, what would be your first thought?

434
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<v Speaker 2>Kids maybe hanging out on Halloween?

435
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.039
<v Speaker 3>Right, Like maybe the night before Halloween and Halloween. You

436
00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:47.720
<v Speaker 3>got two days of stuff going on in there.

437
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So instead of you know, kids being kids and

438
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.079
<v Speaker 2>taking it to where it should have been, this occult

439
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:58.920
<v Speaker 2>society starts claiming that they're seeing dark figures walking around

440
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<v Speaker 2>in the cemetery. And they took an interview with the

441
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<v Speaker 2>Hempstead Press, and they took an interview with you know,

442
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:12.160
<v Speaker 2>various other publications. They get on TV. Everybody's putting microphones

443
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:14.799
<v Speaker 2>in their face and they are just telling these tall

444
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:18.880
<v Speaker 2>tales and they're freaking everybody out. So it, you know,

445
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:20.759
<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting thing. And if you go to this

446
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.079
<v Speaker 2>property today, So I took of course, I had to

447
00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:25.400
<v Speaker 2>take the tour because you know, I am who I am,

448
00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.240
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to talk to a guide and you know,

449
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>find out all the hidden information. And what's wild is

450
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:34.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, there are still some areas of the cemetery

451
00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:38.200
<v Speaker 2>to this day that are damaged from that time of

452
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:40.359
<v Speaker 2>all of the riots and the people that came in

453
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 2>and vandalized thinking that they were looking for vampires. So

454
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<v Speaker 2>it's it's pretty crazy.

455
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<v Speaker 3>Uh, real quick if you don't mind. Actually, I'll show

456
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<v Speaker 3>this real little fast just to get this over with.

457
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how easily they I'll see it.

458
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<v Speaker 2>But oh interesting, Yeah.

459
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:03.400
<v Speaker 3>And like even the thing is too like under that

460
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.599
<v Speaker 3>round part like kind of where like the real tip

461
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:08.319
<v Speaker 3>of the eye, I mean that's water as well, and

462
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:10.279
<v Speaker 3>then the back of the eye has like flood so

463
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 3>I mean there's even water on that, you know, even

464
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 3>water the seashell. Do you think it's quite.

465
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Possible that's there's interesting parallels for sure.

466
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Now some of the symbolism and then we'll get

467
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:24.759
<v Speaker 3>into like some of your experiences. But like, isn't there

468
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<v Speaker 3>a I know, there was something you're talking about with

469
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:28.640
<v Speaker 3>the crown on your own Instagram thing. Maybe you want

470
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.279
<v Speaker 3>to get into that, maybe a couple of the things

471
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.759
<v Speaker 3>that you've picked up on on symbolism for graveyards and smeteries.

472
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, So the crown, A lot of people think,

473
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you see a crown on a grave

474
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.680
<v Speaker 2>that it instant means royalty, but a lot of people

475
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:45.079
<v Speaker 2>believe that it is a follower of God, and if

476
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you follow Christianity, it's said that as long as you're

477
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<v Speaker 2>faithful and you believe in God, you will have a

478
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 2>place in heaven. You will be brought into the afterlife,

479
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:57.440
<v Speaker 2>into heaven, and you will receive your place in heaven

480
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.599
<v Speaker 2>when you pass, and therefore you will be part of

481
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.759
<v Speaker 2>that royal afterlife with the crown. So that's pretty interesting,

482
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:06.799
<v Speaker 2>and it kind of also looks if you kind of

483
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.920
<v Speaker 2>dissect it, it means someone who really lived a life

484
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:14.880
<v Speaker 2>without sin, someone who lived in a way that was holy.

485
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.079
<v Speaker 2>So you're kind of looking at victory against you know,

486
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:23.039
<v Speaker 2>victory against death, victory against sin, someone who kept a

487
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 2>very straight and narrow So that's typically what the crown represents. Now,

488
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 2>you can find the crown in other ways too. You

489
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.440
<v Speaker 2>might find it on an angel, And of course the

490
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.799
<v Speaker 2>angels are considered messengers from God. They're considered spirit guides

491
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 2>or people, you know, entities that come down to bring

492
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the deceased to heaven. If you see one with a crown,

493
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that might just be that, you know, along the same

494
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 2>lines that they're members of heaven. I've also seen it

495
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 2>the crown with a snake, and in certain Greek cultures

496
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and Roman cultures, snakes are not bad. They're not considered,

497
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, the negative bad guy, and a lot of

498
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 2>ancient texts, snakes were also considered healers. And you know,

499
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.759
<v Speaker 2>so if you might also see if someone's Greek Orthodox

500
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 2>or someone is you know, Roman Catholic, you might see

501
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>a snake with the crown, and that meant just somebody

502
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 2>who was healed by Christ or someone who perhaps was

503
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:25.640
<v Speaker 2>a very holy person and they gave that they kind

504
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>of lived that lifestyle and affected others in a positive way.

505
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, something that's making me think about And I'm

506
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 3>not saying it's necessarily this because this is like taking

507
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 3>into possibly conspiratorial or it could be true. I think

508
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 3>it was recently somebody on my show or is in

509
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:43.440
<v Speaker 3>the chat, was talking about I think it was on

510
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 3>the show, like eagle and snake symbolism and how it's

511
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of like two different bloodlines sometimes of a family.

512
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:52.920
<v Speaker 3>So I'm wondering, like if there is actually snake symbolism

513
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.160
<v Speaker 3>on the stuff where that somehow go along with that,

514
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.400
<v Speaker 3>if that whole idea is even true.

515
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, a lot of you know, people look

516
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 2>at the snake as being part of the underworld or actually,

517
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>in truth be told in the Bible, a lot of

518
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 2>people look at snakes as being the devil, because the

519
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.880
<v Speaker 2>devil took on a form that could enter the garden

520
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.440
<v Speaker 2>of Eden and tempt Eve to eat the apple. It

521
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>was the snake that told her to eat the apple. Therefore,

522
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the snake was the devil, enticing her to commit sin.

523
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of texts in the Bible will look

524
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 2>at the snake in a very negative way, but certain

525
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:33.039
<v Speaker 2>areas of Christianity don't. And it's just interesting. I don't know,

526
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, for me personally, I like snakes. I think

527
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>snakes are pretty interesting. I think they're really cool looking.

528
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I have a friend that has the snake. But you know,

529
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 2>it's everybody feels the way they feel about it. That's,

530
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, their own supposed.

531
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.559
<v Speaker 1>In Latin America, they were revered, I pre pre Columbate,

532
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>pre Columbus or whatever. But most of the indigenous religions

533
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 1>or belief systems revered. They believe that that was it

534
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.720
<v Speaker 1>meant life, it meant you know, connection to you know,

535
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.599
<v Speaker 1>all of the dimensions or whatever, and so I've heard,

536
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and this wasn't on the show that you said, Nick,

537
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.160
<v Speaker 1>but I had heard, but in relation to the eagle,

538
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that the symbolism of the egle and the snake was

539
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Christianity conquering the Indigenous because Christianity was the eagle or

540
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:25.599
<v Speaker 1>the kind of the eagle, and then the serpent was

541
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the feathered serpent of the belief system of the Indigenous.

542
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, it's just things that you hear, right.

543
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't. I've never heard that, but I could

544
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>see it making sense.

545
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.720
<v Speaker 3>What about any other things that like you've come across

546
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 3>that you've noticed, like common common?

547
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.279
<v Speaker 2>So I think one of the most common that I

548
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.680
<v Speaker 2>see a lot of which I absolutely love and I

549
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.039
<v Speaker 2>seek them out. I think they're really beautiful, is the

550
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:58.039
<v Speaker 2>weeping willow. So in a lot of Victorian properties, you're

551
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:00.200
<v Speaker 2>going to see the weeping willow, which is a tree

552
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.480
<v Speaker 2>that if you can picture, it has a very large

553
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.839
<v Speaker 2>trunk and it has just these beautiful kind of hanging

554
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>branches that sway in the wind. You see them a

555
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.599
<v Speaker 2>lot in the South. Now, the weeping willow is an

556
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.759
<v Speaker 2>interesting symbolism. So the willow tree that is a tree

557
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:19.319
<v Speaker 2>that represents eternal life. But the weeping willow really took

558
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>on a symbolism of its own during the Victorian times

559
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.559
<v Speaker 2>because women would wear veils, right, So if someone in

560
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>your family, let's say your husband passed away, you would

561
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.279
<v Speaker 2>be expected to wear a veil in mourning. And these

562
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>women were required to wear that veil in public for

563
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>a very long period of time, and they wanted to

564
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 2>be seen around town as someone who was in mourning.

565
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.960
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of people can kind of compared the

566
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.200
<v Speaker 2>likeness of the veil of the woman in mourning to

567
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:53.599
<v Speaker 2>that of the weeping willows branches. And another kind of

568
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 2>symbolism too, is during funerals. Of course, you know, if

569
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.119
<v Speaker 2>you're exhibiting signs of mourning, you might be crying, and

570
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.759
<v Speaker 2>if you see the tears, you know, streaming down someone's face,

571
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 2>it might look similar to the branches of a willow

572
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and all the tiny little leaves that kind of hang

573
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>from them. So it just became kind of really a

574
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>very popular motif to see on a headstone. And you

575
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.920
<v Speaker 2>also see them in some cases, and I have seen

576
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 2>them a lot in the South on cemetery gates. You'll

577
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>also see them on whether it's a cemetery gate for

578
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 2>the whole property, or a gate around a plot. It's

579
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:33.720
<v Speaker 2>a very common image that you might find.

580
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:34.960
<v Speaker 3>I have the lookout for that.

581
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:35.160
<v Speaker 6>Now.

582
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 3>One never really noticed the leaping role. Interesting, all right,

583
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.240
<v Speaker 3>So what about someone? Now, I guess maybe some of

584
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 3>your experiences. Did you do anything recently did you have

585
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 3>fun with?

586
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So recently I went with my paranormal team. We

587
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.240
<v Speaker 2>met up with another paranormal team. So my team is

588
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:01.119
<v Speaker 2>called Afterlife All Stars, and we're in the Fort Lauderdale,

589
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Miami area in South Florida, and we met up with

590
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>another team from up north known as Panormal five to

591
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:12.119
<v Speaker 2>four and we joined those guys for an investigation of

592
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.599
<v Speaker 2>the Old Hamilton Jail. And the Old Hamilton Jail is

593
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.839
<v Speaker 2>in North Florida. It's basically on the Florida Georgia line

594
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.640
<v Speaker 2>and it is just this really interesting old jail and

595
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>we had just an incredible investigation. It was a really

596
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 2>interesting night. As we got there, it started raining and

597
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>it just rained and rained and rained, and this old

598
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 2>jail just got flooded. And we continued to investigate and

599
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.839
<v Speaker 2>we were kind of like dealing with all of this,

600
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.839
<v Speaker 2>but we had a really great time, and you mentioned

601
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>earlier off before we went on air about the SLS camera,

602
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.359
<v Speaker 2>and the SLS camera is a favorite of mine. It

603
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 2>is a camera that basically you see it a lot

604
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 2>on the ghost hunting shows, and it's that camera if

605
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you picture it. It's on a tablet and it's attached

606
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to a little mechanism very similar to what you see

607
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.440
<v Speaker 2>on an Xbox. And what it's doing is it's mapping movement.

608
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.640
<v Speaker 2>So if you were, let's say, playing Xbox and you

609
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>were doing like a tennis game and you were pretending

610
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 2>to hit the tennis racket to get the ball, it's

611
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>mapping your movement so that it can bring that movement

612
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.280
<v Speaker 2>into the game. So what they noticed when they were

613
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.760
<v Speaker 2>using this technology that it might map things in the

614
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.199
<v Speaker 2>room that aren't supposed to be there, movement in the room,

615
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Speaker 2>figures in the room that aren't necessarily in the room.

616
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>So ghost hunters took this on a tablet and they

617
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.159
<v Speaker 2>started using it out investigations. I don't know who was

618
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the first to use it. I remember seeing it on

619
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 2>shows like Ghost Adventures. But basically now you can get

620
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.199
<v Speaker 2>it at a lot of different ghost hunting stores and

621
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 2>you can have this tablet and you can use it,

622
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't matter if it's a pitch dark room.

623
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 2>You can use it low light. And sometimes it picks

624
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>up figures, so you'll see a full stick and dot

625
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>figure on your camera, and in some cases like mine

626
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 2>at the jail, you can interact with it. And that's

627
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>where it gets interesting because if you start interacting with

628
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>this stick figure, then it kind of feels more tangible

629
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>as something that could be paranormal. So in our case,

630
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 2>we were kind of checking out the upstairs area where

631
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:12.599
<v Speaker 2>they had all the jail cells, and one of my

632
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.519
<v Speaker 2>investigators was inside the jail cell next to a bed,

633
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.159
<v Speaker 2>a bunk bed, and a little figure appeared on the camera.

634
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 2>It appeared like it was crouched inside the bunk. So

635
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.199
<v Speaker 2>she reaches her hand out as if to touch it,

636
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.400
<v Speaker 2>and you see this thing just kind of punching and kicking.

637
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.559
<v Speaker 2>It really didn't want her anywhere near it, and then

638
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>when she backed away, it backed away, and it was

639
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.920
<v Speaker 2>just such an interesting interaction and it went on for

640
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.000
<v Speaker 2>over a minute until all of a sudden it just disappeared.

641
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.679
<v Speaker 2>Now you might say that that's okay, maybe that's paranormal, Gina,

642
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe it is maybe it isn't. But

643
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.360
<v Speaker 2>in addition to my SOLS camera, there was another investigator

644
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.880
<v Speaker 2>with me on another SOLS camera and he picked it

645
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>up too, So we had two different cameras picking up

646
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.760
<v Speaker 2>this figure in a dark jail cell. And it was

647
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>just it was really incredible. It really was.

648
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.360
<v Speaker 3>And so you need to have that, yeah, to like,

649
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.719
<v Speaker 3>like want to verify the other one that is interesting.

650
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was cool. It was really fun.

651
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.159
<v Speaker 3>Even if it's like I would say, at least it

652
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 3>calibrated the same.

653
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Well.

654
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.639
<v Speaker 2>The thing is what it does is if you've ever

655
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 2>if you have you used one of these before, are

656
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.800
<v Speaker 2>you familiar with them? They mapped the whole room, so

657
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:29.320
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna see little blips of like, let's say, if

658
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 2>you put it in your living room, you'll see a

659
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>little blip around the couch, You'll see a little blip

660
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 2>on the chairs. But if you see a full stick

661
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 2>figure moving around, that's not normal. And then sometimes if

662
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you get close to it, it might disappear. Maybe that's nothing.

663
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 2>But if you start interacting with it and you say

664
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.320
<v Speaker 2>something like okay, raise your right arm, and it raises

665
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:51.960
<v Speaker 2>its right arm, Okay, come over and give me a

666
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.199
<v Speaker 2>high five and you get a high five. You know

667
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that's normally. Oh yeah, we interact with it. We'll try

668
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.119
<v Speaker 2>to reach out and see if it touches us, and

669
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:03.440
<v Speaker 2>we'll say, okay, if you're a spirit in the room,

670
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.119
<v Speaker 2>can you can you walk closer to me and the

671
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>spirit might you know, the little stick and dot figure

672
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 2>might move closer. So if you start acting asking questions

673
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.559
<v Speaker 2>and you get these intelligent responses, whether they be you know,

674
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>however on your equipment, it's it's just an interesting thing.

675
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.199
<v Speaker 2>And as far as my research goes, I think the

676
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>SLS camera is worth every penny. And I've been using

677
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.800
<v Speaker 2>it a lot more recently and I just have nothing

678
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:33.679
<v Speaker 2>but nice things to say about it. I think it's

679
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.199
<v Speaker 2>really cool and if you get a chance to try

680
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 2>one in a haunted location, it might really open your

681
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>eyes to what's there.

682
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:42.440
<v Speaker 5>That is fascinating.

683
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.800
<v Speaker 3>No, I do find them very interesting. Yeah. The only

684
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 3>thing that I think there's a reason Whiting. There's a

685
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 3>couple of reasons Whiting get it put. Do they make

686
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 3>them yet to where they actually will record?

687
00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 2>You can?

688
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 3>But the problem is when it shuts off, it doesn't

689
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 3>stay right.

690
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, what it is is it really eats the battery

691
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.519
<v Speaker 2>of the tablet, So we usually just record the screen

692
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>and and that is, as far as I understand, pretty

693
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 2>much a problem across all brands. It's just it's just

694
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:18.639
<v Speaker 2>something with the software and it just really eats through

695
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 2>the battery on the tablet, and if you record, it

696
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:25.639
<v Speaker 2>goes even faster. So we tend to just record on

697
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 2>another device.

698
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.239
<v Speaker 3>All right, I think I was told a different reason why,

699
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 3>But I get that that makes sense. Yeah, can take

700
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.599
<v Speaker 3>up a lot of a lot of battery.

701
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

702
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:42.119
<v Speaker 3>Uh, would you get any other experiences at that same

703
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 3>place besides that?

704
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 2>So I had an interesting experience in the solitary confinement.

705
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 2>And so what happened was we had, you know, a

706
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 2>bunch of investigators and they were in the main jail area.

707
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 2>So we were kind of we kind of took over

708
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the kitchen space as our kind of like centers. We

709
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.239
<v Speaker 2>had our equipment, you know, there was some you know,

710
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 2>camera set up and other things, and the solitary was

711
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 2>in another building. So what I did was I brought

712
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.440
<v Speaker 2>my recorder, I went into solitary and I just stood there.

713
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I didn't ask any questions, I didn't move, I just

714
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:20.320
<v Speaker 2>stood still. And when I tell you, the only sound

715
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 2>that you can hear was just the rain falling outside.

716
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>There was no nothing. When you're in the middle of

717
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 2>nowhere in Jasper, it's just, you know, rural. And so

718
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I was in there for I would say about maybe

719
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:34.880
<v Speaker 2>ten fifteen minutes. And now I am very honest on

720
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.199
<v Speaker 2>my investigations. I don't get scared very easily. I do not.

721
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm one of those people. I freeze. I don't run,

722
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:45.480
<v Speaker 2>I freeze. So in this situation, my heart was beating

723
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.000
<v Speaker 2>out of my chest. I'm just I just felt like

724
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.920
<v Speaker 2>there was something negative around me. I kept looking over

725
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>my shoulder because I kept feeling like there was something

726
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.880
<v Speaker 2>in the room. And as soon as my time was up,

727
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.199
<v Speaker 2>I bolted right. So I bring my reporter back to

728
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 2>our nerve center and we listened to it and there

729
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 2>was just some very inaudible growling sounds going on and

730
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of like grunting. And this was, as I mentioned,

731
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.400
<v Speaker 2>otherwise silent other than rain drops outside. So it was

732
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:20.400
<v Speaker 2>it was a very controlled space, no extra noise, nobody

733
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.840
<v Speaker 2>else in the room, and it certainly wasn't me, and

734
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.559
<v Speaker 2>that truly kind of freaked me out because I knew

735
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:29.199
<v Speaker 2>that there was no sounds in there, but I was

736
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.880
<v Speaker 2>feeling I felt as if my body the antenna was

737
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:36.079
<v Speaker 2>noticing like a pulse in the air, as if I

738
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 2>wasn't alone, and that intuition that somebody's behind you. I

739
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.519
<v Speaker 2>kept getting it, So that was pretty interesting. And then

740
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.360
<v Speaker 2>the last thing that we did that was really wild

741
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 2>was before we ended the night, because you know, the

742
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.239
<v Speaker 2>rain was just getting bad. It was really flooding in

743
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.639
<v Speaker 2>this jail. But before we left, we did what's known

744
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:56.360
<v Speaker 2>as an STA session, and in an s TO session,

745
00:40:56.440 --> 00:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>an investigator wears noise canceling headphones a blindfold. You can't

746
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 2>see anybody in the room. This is essentially sensory.

747
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Deprivation, just like the God mask, but like a different

748
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 3>version of it. It's like the God helmet. I think

749
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:09.760
<v Speaker 3>they call it the God helmet. I've seen other people

750
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 3>do where it's like you basically like cunting, like cutting

751
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:13.519
<v Speaker 3>off all of your senses.

752
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>So there's another experiment called the Gansfeld experiment. Maybe you

753
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 2>might be thinking, that's what the what the what the

754
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>red lights?

755
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Did you see?

756
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Hellia, No, I haven't.

757
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 3>It was the thing they use it in that. I

758
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 3>think maybe ghost of Benches might have used the ones.

759
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I think they do, but a lot of investigators, it's

760
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 2>very popular, use the estest method, which is you have

761
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.719
<v Speaker 2>headphones on the headphones that are going to be plugged

762
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 2>into a spirit box. You can't hear anything but the

763
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 2>spirit box, and you're wearing a blindfold. The idea is,

764
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>you speak if you're in this, if you're the one

765
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 2>in the in the test subject, you speak what you

766
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.440
<v Speaker 2>hear through the spirit box. Right. Everyone else in the

767
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:53.320
<v Speaker 2>room quietly asks questions, and essentially the spirits speak through

768
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:56.360
<v Speaker 2>the spirit box through you. So in this situation, I'm

769
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:58.199
<v Speaker 2>in the jail cell. I'm in the same jail cell,

770
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.159
<v Speaker 2>by the way, as I was earlier talking about or

771
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:03.239
<v Speaker 2>we caught a figure kind of kicking and punching. I'm

772
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>sitting on that bed. I'm sitting with another investigator to

773
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 2>my side, and they were asking questions. I can't hear them.

774
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm just speaking what I hear through the spearitbox. But

775
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what freaked me out and what made

776
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.159
<v Speaker 2>me end that session was through the white noise of

777
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:21.039
<v Speaker 2>this spirit box. Okay, I heard my maiden name. Now,

778
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.559
<v Speaker 2>my maiden name is a name. I'm not going to

779
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>say it, but it is very Italian and it's very uncommon.

780
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.159
<v Speaker 2>I've only I mean, in my lifetime, I maybe had

781
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.400
<v Speaker 2>two or three people say it correctly without me having

782
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:39.039
<v Speaker 2>to explain the pronunciation. And I heard my name clear

783
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.840
<v Speaker 2>as day spoken through the spirit box. And when I

784
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 2>heard that, I took off the headphones and I said, sorry, guys,

785
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>but I'm done because that was too much for me.

786
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>And I've never experienced anything like that in my life.

787
00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my, it was very freaky. It was very, very,

788
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.760
<v Speaker 2>very freaky, and I used a lot of stage before

789
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.079
<v Speaker 2>I left that out properly. Outside of that, I was

790
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.079
<v Speaker 2>just outside, just with the sage, just you know, dancing

791
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 2>in the smoke, because I did not want to bring

792
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:15.199
<v Speaker 2>any of that home with me.

793
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Do you think do you think the rain may have

794
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 1>enhanced some of the ability to pick up on spirit?

795
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Can you how they say that water is a condo,

796
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:28.440
<v Speaker 1>is a good element or a good conduit.

797
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 2>I think that absolutely it can be. And you're right,

798
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 2>that is a common theory that water energizes spirit energy,

799
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and that's why a lot of times you hear of

800
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>hauntings around bodies of water, and it's just something to

801
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.440
<v Speaker 2>do with the energy of the water kind of playing

802
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>off the energy of the spirits and somehow maybe one

803
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 2>energizes the other. Who knows, but I have heard that

804
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>and absolutely it could have been the case. But it

805
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 2>was just, you know, it was a very very strange night.

806
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.480
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that we were talking with our

807
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 2>friends that we were investigating with at ptern normal five

808
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 2>to four is I guess normally a lot of guys investigate,

809
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>but where my team is mostly women, and the people

810
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that were on this trip were all female, so we

811
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.320
<v Speaker 2>are not sure if maybe having a bunch of females

812
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>in a prison might have had something to do with

813
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the actual aggressive activity. So maybe that had something to

814
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:23.639
<v Speaker 2>do with it too. I don't know, but it was.

815
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:25.280
<v Speaker 2>It was pretty wild.

816
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:28.159
<v Speaker 5>I'm just very fascinating.

817
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

818
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:34.239
<v Speaker 1>And when you get when you talk about white noise,

819
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 1>do you know what frequency it's at?

820
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 2>So what I do? There's different ways that you can

821
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 2>set a I don't know the exact frequency, but on

822
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 2>a spirit box you can adjust either FM or AM,

823
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.719
<v Speaker 2>and you can adjust how fast the switching of channels is,

824
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.480
<v Speaker 2>so you can adjust forward or backward. So I usually

825
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:59.960
<v Speaker 2>do FM forward in a slower space something like between

826
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.199
<v Speaker 2>like one hundred and one fifty and sometimes I do

827
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.360
<v Speaker 2>am backward and I'll do that maybe around two hundred.

828
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>But I know what you're saying, and there's some there

829
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:12.559
<v Speaker 2>are certainly some theories that say that certain frequencies are

830
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.800
<v Speaker 2>better for spirits to speak through. And actually one of

831
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.199
<v Speaker 2>my my the co founder of my paranormal team, his

832
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.440
<v Speaker 2>name is Tim Arnline. He's actually an investigator that's very

833
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.800
<v Speaker 2>interested in frequencies and he's been doing a lot of

834
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.559
<v Speaker 2>research on the side to experiment with different frequencies and

835
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 2>how maybe some are amplified spirit activity over others. So

836
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 2>currently we're kind of work shopping some experiments where we

837
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 2>can test to see certain frequencies and how they might

838
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 2>affect paranormal activity. But we really don't have it's just we,

839
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:43.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, we just started doing the experiments, so we

840
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 2>don't really have too much to report as of right now.

841
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:46.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's very cool.

842
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so too. I think I think he's

843
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.599
<v Speaker 1>onto something. Y'all are onto something with the frequency as well.

844
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I think that's definitely key. It's almost like a better

845
00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.800
<v Speaker 1>like we talked about water being a good medium. I

846
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>think different frequencies have different better conductivity, like somebody sense.

847
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.079
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent one hundred percent, and that's the thing

848
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.960
<v Speaker 2>we might not be able to tap fully into the

849
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:14.440
<v Speaker 2>spirit world because we're not on the same frequency. And

850
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a lot of research to kind of

851
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:21.599
<v Speaker 2>look into what frequencies mean, how they're traveling through time,

852
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, and there it's just an untapped realm really,

853
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.039
<v Speaker 2>and we don't know the answers yet, which makes it

854
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 2>so exciting. And I'm definitely just really excited to be

855
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.280
<v Speaker 2>part of a team where we have so many interesting

856
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.000
<v Speaker 2>minds working together to try new experiments, because you know,

857
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:37.599
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, we're trying to do

858
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.440
<v Speaker 2>research to find answers to prove the paranormal and it's

859
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:43.639
<v Speaker 2>just it's a really interesting field to be a part of.

860
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.239
<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely, It's kind of like we talked about in

861
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the I series that when you look at the entire

862
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic spectrum given off by the Sun, we only see

863
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:58.239
<v Speaker 1>point zero zero three percent of the entire spectrum. And

864
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 1>so I wonder if that is even the case with audible,

865
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:03.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, hearing, like do we only hear a certain

866
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 1>amount for the entire range that exists, or even perception

867
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.960
<v Speaker 1>like what we feel right, like in person, like how

868
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 1>we feel like you said, you've felt somebody staring at

869
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 1>you from behind or whatever like that. I mean, does

870
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.280
<v Speaker 1>that also have a range that we only feel a

871
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 1>certain percentage of the entire range? So that's like with

872
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.079
<v Speaker 1>these frequencies, I mean you literally could be like, you know,

873
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:33.440
<v Speaker 1>not tapping into the full the full capacity of it. Yeah,

874
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that's very, very fascinating.

875
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.360
<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's what I find fascinating is we

876
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 2>have so many people and I'm sure there are plenty

877
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.119
<v Speaker 2>of the legit people out there that claim to be

878
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, psychic or clairvoand all, you know, different sensitivities.

879
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 2>And I do believe that many people are I think

880
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of frauds, but I think that

881
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.480
<v Speaker 2>there are many people that naturally have a gift. And

882
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:56.559
<v Speaker 2>you hear it a lot. You know, certain psychics will

883
00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:59.519
<v Speaker 2>be able to find people in the woods, or they'll

884
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:01.800
<v Speaker 2>be able to find a missing child or you know,

885
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.119
<v Speaker 2>recover a body. There's all kinds of interesting information that

886
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.119
<v Speaker 2>we're getting from these these psychics. And where are they

887
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:11.760
<v Speaker 2>getting their information from? Now? The thing is, you know,

888
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:13.920
<v Speaker 2>they say we use less than ten percent of our brains,

889
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.679
<v Speaker 2>so somehow these people are able to tap into a

890
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 2>part of their brain that we probably have potential to use,

891
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>but we can't, for whatever reason, access it. Now, I'm

892
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 2>not saying in any way that I am sensitive. I

893
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 2>don't believe that I am. However, by putting myself in

894
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.199
<v Speaker 2>these situations by having to listen, by going into a

895
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:39.440
<v Speaker 2>location and sitting quietly for hours waiting for a response

896
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.119
<v Speaker 2>on a spirit box or a recorder, I now am

897
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 2>putting myself in a position in these places where I

898
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.800
<v Speaker 2>am listening, I am stopping what I'm doing. I have

899
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 2>slowed the room down, and I am reading the room.

900
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>So you become more in tune with yourself, and you

901
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.760
<v Speaker 2>come in more in tune with your environment. Now, on

902
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a regular day, we're going to be hearing all sorts

903
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.960
<v Speaker 2>of stimula. We're going to hear cars, running, cars, beeping,

904
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 2>people talking, kids laughing, dogs barking, all that kind of stuff.

905
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.320
<v Speaker 2>But at night, when you're alone or you're in a

906
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.440
<v Speaker 2>small group and everyone's silent, you start to pick up

907
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.880
<v Speaker 2>on more things that you normally might not pick up on.

908
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:18.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's interesting because you I think

909
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 2>that I've become more in tune with that Over the years,

910
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.920
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's always been there and I think

911
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 2>it's possible for anyone to pick up on that, but

912
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.039
<v Speaker 2>you just have to kind of put yourself in the

913
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.639
<v Speaker 2>headspace and that could be that could be the case

914
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 2>with these people that have these gifts, these these psychic

915
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 2>abilities to hear things or see things or get messages.

916
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:41.440
<v Speaker 2>And maybe it has something to do with frequencies. Maybe

917
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:43.840
<v Speaker 2>the people like you were mentioning earlier that have schizophrenia,

918
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:46.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe there's some of those voices are not actually,

919
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, in their brain being made up. Maybe they're

920
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 2>tuning in to some other etherol realm. Who knows, But

921
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's an interesting thing to research. And I

922
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.800
<v Speaker 2>think that the more we research and the more we

923
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.639
<v Speaker 2>we listen, and the more we kind of, you know,

924
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:07.440
<v Speaker 2>have an open mind, maybe there'll be more answers eventually.

925
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.440
<v Speaker 2>And I just I just find that to be so fascinating.

926
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Too. I think you're right, you're training yourself. It's like

927
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:17.039
<v Speaker 1>somebody going through the process of learning what it sounds like,

928
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:18.920
<v Speaker 1>what it feels like, and whatever. And then the more

929
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.000
<v Speaker 1>time you spend with it, the more fine tune you're

930
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.719
<v Speaker 1>getting in the picking it up. That's very fascinating the

931
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:26.480
<v Speaker 1>way you look at it, like.

932
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like one thing a lot of people say,

933
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and I've noticed this because we run investigations publicly. You know,

934
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.800
<v Speaker 2>we have people come to our local museum and we

935
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 2>do fundraisers for the museum. We you know, host investigations,

936
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.280
<v Speaker 2>and one of the most common things that people will

937
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.599
<v Speaker 2>say when they are on an investigation is, oh, it

938
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.440
<v Speaker 2>feels heavy in here. Oh, I feel you know, this

939
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.840
<v Speaker 2>room feels a little different than that room. You're picking

940
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 2>up on something in the air that you can't see.

941
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.079
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying all the time, but a lot

942
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.719
<v Speaker 2>of the times they feel that way in certain areas

943
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.800
<v Speaker 2>that are hotspots, and that person's never been to that location.

944
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:03.840
<v Speaker 2>So how did they walk into that room and say

945
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.239
<v Speaker 2>to me, I feel heavy in this room. This room

946
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 2>has a heaviness to it without me telling them anything

947
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.239
<v Speaker 2>about it. So it's it's just an interesting thing that

948
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 2>I think some people are more in tune with, and

949
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a possibility for everybody to really turn

950
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:19.800
<v Speaker 2>on if they're willing to.

951
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:28.119
<v Speaker 3>One thing I did want to ask because it's making

952
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 3>me think about the the other mask that I've seen. Basically,

953
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:35.360
<v Speaker 3>like they kind of blindfold themselves and then they play

954
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I think white noise, and then if they start hearing things,

955
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:41.599
<v Speaker 3>they kind of like repeated or whatever, or people ask

956
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:44.280
<v Speaker 3>them questions and if they happen there's something they think

957
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 3>they're hearing something, they'll repeat it. Because of the white

958
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 3>noise and from other things I seen in the past,

959
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.440
<v Speaker 3>like the Gateway Project that is a you know, it

960
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.079
<v Speaker 3>was like a series of tapes that was made that

961
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:02.000
<v Speaker 3>supposedly helped people have out of by the experiences. You know,

962
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 3>I guess it was interesting enough for the government to

963
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:08.199
<v Speaker 3>put people into into the place to try the stuff

964
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 3>out and see what happens, and you know a lot

965
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:13.880
<v Speaker 3>of it, the white noise and all that stuff. The

966
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.079
<v Speaker 3>way it works is that it starts like Homi sinking

967
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:19.360
<v Speaker 3>your brain, and I'll put you into like kind of

968
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:22.239
<v Speaker 3>like me, possibly a different state to start doing other things.

969
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Long story short, the reason why I'm getting into all

970
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.880
<v Speaker 3>this stuff is that I do believe in a sense

971
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:33.039
<v Speaker 3>this is just me. I think sometimes with paranormal activity

972
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.400
<v Speaker 3>it can be actually done by your person and it's

973
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.199
<v Speaker 3>maybe not actually a haunting. But now what I'm getting

974
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.000
<v Speaker 3>at is like if that's possible, if you're using these

975
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:46.079
<v Speaker 3>toys when you're trying to do a paranoral you know,

976
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:49.519
<v Speaker 3>trying to look for paranormal activity. Could you be producing

977
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:50.199
<v Speaker 3>it yourself.

978
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.519
<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. And there's actually an experiment I

979
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.400
<v Speaker 2>believe that came out of Canada and in the I

980
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.480
<v Speaker 2>think it's called the Philip experiment. And the idea was

981
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:05.800
<v Speaker 2>that they were they created an entity and they gave

982
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.639
<v Speaker 2>it a name, and they all started asking questions and experimenting,

983
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:14.039
<v Speaker 2>and all these investigators kind of came together under the

984
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.400
<v Speaker 2>idea that they were speaking to an entity called Philip,

985
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.199
<v Speaker 2>and you know, all of these things started happening and

986
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:21.920
<v Speaker 2>there was never a ghost. It was all made up.

987
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.599
<v Speaker 2>And certainly there is something to be said with if

988
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:27.400
<v Speaker 2>you put your mind to something, maybe your mind, can

989
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:31.400
<v Speaker 2>you know the power of suggestion? I absolutely believe in that.

990
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that that is absolutely something that could exist

991
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:38.159
<v Speaker 2>in something that could happen. But the thing is, when

992
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.079
<v Speaker 2>you're on an investigation, you're there's going to be things

993
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 2>that happen. There might be like you mentioned earlier, when

994
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.000
<v Speaker 2>you had your EMF reader and you were getting readings,

995
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:48.840
<v Speaker 2>you know that could be paranormal. It might not be paranormal,

996
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.440
<v Speaker 2>but it was when things start happening in a succession.

997
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So now your EMF reader goes off, there's no electronic devices.

998
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Everyone has their cell phones on airplane mode. And then

999
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:01.519
<v Speaker 2>you get a spike on on your rempod, which is

1000
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.920
<v Speaker 2>measuring the readings in the room. You're getting a spike

1001
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.679
<v Speaker 2>on that. Then you see your spirit box start saying

1002
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:13.239
<v Speaker 2>intelligent responses. Now, someone in the chat earlier asked about

1003
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:16.320
<v Speaker 2>spirit boxes, and a lot of times they're just spinning

1004
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.920
<v Speaker 2>out nonsense. They are ninety percent of the time it's nonsense.

1005
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 2>But when you start getting intelligent words coming through or phrases,

1006
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:29.079
<v Speaker 2>and you're getting these other things happening as well, perhaps

1007
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.960
<v Speaker 2>if you look at it in that sense, you're experiencing

1008
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:36.519
<v Speaker 2>a multifaceted experience. You know, I don't want to just

1009
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:38.400
<v Speaker 2>see an EMF reader go off and say, oh, it's

1010
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:41.599
<v Speaker 2>a ghost. But if the em reader, you have, EMF,

1011
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:45.199
<v Speaker 2>the rampod, my recorder, the spear box are all happening

1012
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:50.679
<v Speaker 2>in tandem, maybe there's something there, and that's when my

1013
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.719
<v Speaker 2>interest will be piqued to continue to ask questions in

1014
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.599
<v Speaker 2>that moment and maybe ask the right questions, maybe ask

1015
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:02.000
<v Speaker 2>a few a series of questions that is more concentrated

1016
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 2>in that space. So I found that when you start

1017
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 2>collecting all of those things together that the experience becomes

1018
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:17.159
<v Speaker 2>more tangible for me. So I do think that in

1019
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 2>certain cases, it's absolutely possible for an investigator to maybe

1020
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.199
<v Speaker 2>read something the wrong way. There might be a false positive.

1021
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:29.480
<v Speaker 2>It's something you really want. So when you get something,

1022
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.199
<v Speaker 2>you think that's what it is, but it's you know,

1023
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:33.880
<v Speaker 2>you have to keep an open mind, and you do

1024
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 2>have to keep some healthy skepticism about you. But sometimes

1025
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:42.840
<v Speaker 2>not all the time you will have that perfect moment

1026
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 2>where everything starts coming together. Now, I would say on average,

1027
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:49.719
<v Speaker 2>because I only post those thirty seconds. If I'm on

1028
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.000
<v Speaker 2>my Instagram and i want to show you my investigation

1029
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.360
<v Speaker 2>of the jail, I'm just going to post that one

1030
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.320
<v Speaker 2>minute video. I'm just going to post the thirty seconds

1031
00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:59.559
<v Speaker 2>that I caught on the recorder. But what you don't

1032
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.119
<v Speaker 2>see is the eight hours that I spent there and

1033
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.639
<v Speaker 2>nothing was happening. And that's what happens on these investigations.

1034
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.480
<v Speaker 2>That that's the reality. And you know, there are certain

1035
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:13.840
<v Speaker 2>shows that were canceled because they're honest and they show

1036
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.519
<v Speaker 2>it's not all blinking lights. It's not all ghosts coming

1037
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.800
<v Speaker 2>out of the woodwork and running after you. It's mostly

1038
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.840
<v Speaker 2>silent and once in a while you get a little

1039
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.320
<v Speaker 2>blip of activity. But when all of those things are

1040
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:30.039
<v Speaker 2>considered together and there's some intelligence involved, that's when it's

1041
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.840
<v Speaker 2>really interesting. Sorry, it was maybe a really round about

1042
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:33.679
<v Speaker 2>answer to that, but.

1043
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:38.800
<v Speaker 3>That's good. Uh, all right, Yeah, I was just I

1044
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.639
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to know about that because I I don't know,

1045
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 3>I've some of the reasons why I even got the

1046
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.280
<v Speaker 3>paranormal equipment is because at one point, I do think

1047
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.280
<v Speaker 3>it could be possible to show like somebody like having

1048
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:55.639
<v Speaker 3>magical experiences with that stuff. So I do just wonder like,

1049
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:59.599
<v Speaker 3>if you know, we could sometimes create some of the

1050
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:03.920
<v Speaker 3>owner of it, you know who when I go into

1051
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you got another story too, another place.

1052
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely story, But I mean, you know, my my favorite

1053
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.800
<v Speaker 2>story I'd like to share is just a wholesome one.

1054
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:21.679
<v Speaker 2>So I went to a couple of years ago the

1055
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Currel Whaed House in Savannah, and if anybody out there

1056
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.840
<v Speaker 2>is familiar with that, there's a couple of uh there's

1057
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:31.400
<v Speaker 2>a couple of things that were filmed there. Most famously,

1058
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:34.719
<v Speaker 2>if you've seen Forrest Gump and there's that scene where

1059
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:36.679
<v Speaker 2>he's sitting in the park and there's a feather that's

1060
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>dropped from the top of a house. That was the

1061
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:42.519
<v Speaker 2>Currel Wheat House. But when it comes to the spooky

1062
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:45.440
<v Speaker 2>legends of that place, it was covered on a bunch

1063
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:48.039
<v Speaker 2>of TV shows. I know it was on Ghost Adventures

1064
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.760
<v Speaker 2>and Ghost Hunters. But the long story short of it,

1065
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.199
<v Speaker 2>it was a really creepy home and it started out

1066
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.119
<v Speaker 2>as a war barracks and then they built a mansion

1067
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.559
<v Speaker 2>on top of old war barracks and the family that

1068
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 2>landed up there was the Surrell family, and the man

1069
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:11.519
<v Speaker 2>in the house was having a affair, probably not you know,

1070
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.960
<v Speaker 2>something that the woman who he was having an affair with wanted.

1071
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.239
<v Speaker 2>It was a woman that was enslaved, and so he was,

1072
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, messing around with her, and his wife taught them.

1073
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:23.840
<v Speaker 2>His wife walked up to the top of the roof,

1074
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:26.840
<v Speaker 2>the very roof where they dropped that feather from, you know,

1075
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the Forest Gump scene, and she took her life. The

1076
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:34.800
<v Speaker 2>very next day, the woman, the enslaved woman who the

1077
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.599
<v Speaker 2>husband was having an affair with, probably against her will,

1078
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:43.599
<v Speaker 2>was found hanging in her quarters. So it is very dark.

1079
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a very dark property. People goestun there all the time.

1080
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:50.480
<v Speaker 2>The place actually hosts paranormal investigations which I took took

1081
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:54.960
<v Speaker 2>part of, and so basically they let you, you know,

1082
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.960
<v Speaker 2>you investigate in various areas of the house. And my

1083
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 2>husband and I were with another couple and we went

1084
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 2>around the entire property. No activity, nothing. We were in

1085
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:08.840
<v Speaker 2>the basement where there were supposedly medical experiments done, you

1086
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Speaker 2>know by the father. No activity upstairs in the parlor,

1087
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:16.000
<v Speaker 2>nothing nothing. We go up to the carriage house, which

1088
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:20.320
<v Speaker 2>was the living quarters for the enslaved people, and this

1089
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:24.280
<v Speaker 2>was our last stop of the night. And the caretaker,

1090
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>the woman who was you know, hosting the event, she

1091
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 2>as she was bringing us up there, she said, hey, guys,

1092
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:33.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, this space is not a dark one. Even

1093
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:36.280
<v Speaker 2>though some people died here, this space was their happiest space.

1094
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:38.360
<v Speaker 2>This was when they had a long day at work

1095
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and they you know, had a rough time. They would

1096
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:41.840
<v Speaker 2>come back to their living quarters and they would sing,

1097
00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:44.280
<v Speaker 2>they would make dinner, they would have a nice time

1098
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:46.599
<v Speaker 2>with one another. So please, you know, keep it light

1099
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.119
<v Speaker 2>in here, right, she said, just keep it light. So

1100
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, I thought it might be a fun idea

1101
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 2>since you know, she had mentioned that they liked to

1102
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.719
<v Speaker 2>sing and they like to, you know, do music up there.

1103
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:00.840
<v Speaker 2>My husband's a musician, so I said, hey, maybe would

1104
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.360
<v Speaker 2>you like to sing something? Maybe they might like it,

1105
01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it might you know, be a trigger to get

1106
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 2>some conversation. So my husband, of course, I put him

1107
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:10.360
<v Speaker 2>on the spot and recording him and I have a

1108
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 2>spirit box and I asked him, I said, you don't

1109
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.320
<v Speaker 2>why don't you sing? Because it's always my request, Why

1110
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:16.840
<v Speaker 2>don't you sing blue Swede shoes? Right, it's my favorite

1111
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.280
<v Speaker 2>song in these things. So he sang blue Swede Shoes

1112
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:25.119
<v Speaker 2>and almost immediately you hear a female voice come through

1113
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:28.079
<v Speaker 2>the spirit box, and it sweeped over several stations. It

1114
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:32.440
<v Speaker 2>was just as if somebody was singing along with him.

1115
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:35.840
<v Speaker 2>And then there was a gruff old man that kind

1116
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 2>of came through and it says, I don't trust him.

1117
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:40.320
<v Speaker 2>And then in a younger spirit maybe a young kid,

1118
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:42.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if it was boy or girl said

1119
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:46.239
<v Speaker 2>he's okay, and then we heard the humming again. Now,

1120
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:51.519
<v Speaker 2>for me, this was such a cool experience because we

1121
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:55.880
<v Speaker 2>were doing something that kind of brought maybe these spirits together.

1122
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they enjoyed singing in their lifetime and that was

1123
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.320
<v Speaker 2>something that you know, is a good part of their day,

1124
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and we interacted with them in that sense. Now I've

1125
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.599
<v Speaker 2>never had that ever happen again on any other investigation,

1126
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 2>but it was a really profound moment, and I think

1127
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.760
<v Speaker 2>that we did interact with the people that formerly lived there,

1128
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.039
<v Speaker 2>and I do think that there are some spirits still

1129
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:18.239
<v Speaker 2>hanging around. So it was really nice.

1130
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:23.320
<v Speaker 3>Nice. Is that Is that your favorite one overall?

1131
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a favorite. I really it's hard, but

1132
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I just I love that location just because you know,

1133
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:35.199
<v Speaker 2>it's it wasn't a scary interaction. You know, I've been

1134
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.239
<v Speaker 2>I've had all kinds of scary interactions, but that one

1135
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 2>was sweet. It was kind of pleasant, you know, and

1136
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:43.519
<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was interesting that we caught it

1137
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:48.039
<v Speaker 2>all and you know, it wasn't a negative thing at all.

1138
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:51.960
<v Speaker 2>But I've had some really scary moments on investigations.

1139
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:53.840
<v Speaker 3>But I was going to ask you about that if

1140
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:55.519
<v Speaker 3>you want to go into maybe one of those, like

1141
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:59.440
<v Speaker 3>what was the most scariest one of them?

1142
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:08.000
<v Speaker 2>So one of the scariest was I had I had

1143
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:11.400
<v Speaker 2>something follow me home once that was pretty scary.

1144
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I was just going to ask if you had ever

1145
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.880
<v Speaker 1>had anything follow you home, but I was like, no,

1146
01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:16.880
<v Speaker 1>don't ask.

1147
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was not yet.

1148
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:21.599
<v Speaker 3>And the next week one does you'd feel so bad?

1149
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:28.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. I was like, I like spoke it, but

1150
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:30.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1151
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:33.199
<v Speaker 2>I just I think that when it happened to me,

1152
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a negative thing. I think it was just accidental.

1153
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the person meant to do it. I

1154
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.480
<v Speaker 2>think they just didn't know where they were. But basically,

1155
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:42.760
<v Speaker 2>long story short, I was investigating a property that I

1156
01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:47.239
<v Speaker 2>always investigate that I've been maybe a hundred times, and

1157
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:50.920
<v Speaker 2>there was a new exhibit on display in the museum.

1158
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.440
<v Speaker 2>And this exhibit was for the local railroad, so there

1159
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:58.960
<v Speaker 2>was all kinds of artifacts and information that was on display.

1160
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:03.199
<v Speaker 2>And when my team went in there, we were doing

1161
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:06.480
<v Speaker 2>some investigating, I started feeling a vibration on my stomach. Now,

1162
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.159
<v Speaker 2>the best way I could describe it is if you

1163
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:10.079
<v Speaker 2>had your phone kind of tucked in your jeens and

1164
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.159
<v Speaker 2>it was vibrating a little bit. It kind of felt

1165
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:15.360
<v Speaker 2>like that, and I thought at first that my phone

1166
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.599
<v Speaker 2>was in my waistband, but it wasn't, so I thought Oh,

1167
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:20.119
<v Speaker 2>it's such a little strange, you know. And then I

1168
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:22.840
<v Speaker 2>would say, maybe twenty minutes later, one of the other

1169
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:24.920
<v Speaker 2>investigators was saying, oh, that's weird. I felt like I

1170
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:27.239
<v Speaker 2>had a vibrating on my arm, and I'm like, oh,

1171
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:29.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just I felt that on my stomach.

1172
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Just now, that's kind of interesting, you know. And we

1173
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:35.000
<v Speaker 2>both picked up on that, and for that whole night,

1174
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:36.800
<v Speaker 2>we kind of felt like we were getting a lot

1175
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:40.000
<v Speaker 2>of interactions from a male voice. There was male voices

1176
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.800
<v Speaker 2>coming through our portal device, there was male voices coming

1177
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:44.719
<v Speaker 2>through the spirit box. There was a male voice caught

1178
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:48.960
<v Speaker 2>on the recorder, and it was just uncharacteristic for that location.

1179
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:53.079
<v Speaker 2>But I digress. Now. At the end of the night,

1180
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I left, I went home, and my husband and I

1181
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.480
<v Speaker 2>went to bed. At some point in the middle of

1182
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.199
<v Speaker 2>the night, I had a dream and in my dream,

1183
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I woke up in my room and I felt like

1184
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:08.760
<v Speaker 2>there was someone in the room. And it was very vivid,

1185
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, a very lucid dream. And I'm looking around

1186
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:13.519
<v Speaker 2>the room and I'm going, there's someone here, there's someone here.

1187
01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I look over at my husband, he's sleeping. I get

1188
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:17.960
<v Speaker 2>out of the bed and I look right on the

1189
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:20.280
<v Speaker 2>floor next to my husband's side of the bed, and

1190
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I see a man crouch down, like he's on all

1191
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:25.679
<v Speaker 2>fours and he's crouched. He's looking up at me. He's

1192
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.800
<v Speaker 2>got a bald head, I would say, like late forties,

1193
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:32.920
<v Speaker 2>early fifties. He was covered in sweat, and his clothing

1194
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:36.119
<v Speaker 2>looked like as if somebody worked on the railroad, possibly

1195
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:39.159
<v Speaker 2>white or light colored clothing, but covered in dirt. And

1196
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:42.000
<v Speaker 2>he was sweating, and he just looked really freaked out.

1197
01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:45.039
<v Speaker 2>And in this dream, I couldn't get the words out,

1198
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:46.719
<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to say, get out, you know, but

1199
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.400
<v Speaker 2>in your dream maybe sometimes you can't get those things out.

1200
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:51.719
<v Speaker 2>And I woke up in real life. So I wake

1201
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.119
<v Speaker 2>up in my bed. Of course I look over at

1202
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:59.280
<v Speaker 2>my husband. He's sleeping, and this aroma comes over me

1203
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.360
<v Speaker 2>right smell what smells like body odor? Okay, it's kind

1204
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.920
<v Speaker 2>of gross. And of course I don't think it's me

1205
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:07.199
<v Speaker 2>because I showered before bed. My husband showered before a bed.

1206
01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:09.519
<v Speaker 2>But I checked my pits. I had reached over and I,

1207
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, checked him out to see him smell bad.

1208
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.119
<v Speaker 2>It's not us. We don't keep our laundry in our bedroom. Either,

1209
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.880
<v Speaker 2>so I didn't think that was the source of it.

1210
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:20.239
<v Speaker 2>But almost as immediately as I smelled it, it was gone.

1211
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Now I have to get up and investigate, because now

1212
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.400
<v Speaker 2>my heart's beating like crazy. I have this sense that

1213
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.199
<v Speaker 2>there's somebody in my house. I'm freaking out. I searched

1214
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.039
<v Speaker 2>my whole house. I don't find any reason for it,

1215
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and I can't find any source of the smell. But

1216
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I had smelled body odor and then it was gone.

1217
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:41.039
<v Speaker 2>And in some cases with paranormal stuff, you might catch

1218
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:45.840
<v Speaker 2>what they call phantom smells or phantom fragrances, and it

1219
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:48.559
<v Speaker 2>would match up with the dream that I just had,

1220
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:51.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, because I saw a man and he was

1221
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:55.719
<v Speaker 2>profusely sweating and he looked dirty. So I'm not sure.

1222
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.400
<v Speaker 2>But the next day, you know, in the morning, when

1223
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:01.840
<v Speaker 2>we're up and you know, everything was cool, I did

1224
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:04.400
<v Speaker 2>stage my whole house and I opened every window and door,

1225
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:06.400
<v Speaker 2>and I, you know, basically said, hey, sorry if I

1226
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:08.159
<v Speaker 2>took you home, but I don't want to keep you here.

1227
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:10.639
<v Speaker 2>And I've never had a problem since. But it was

1228
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.480
<v Speaker 2>really freaky, and I don't know if it was just

1229
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:17.519
<v Speaker 2>a dream. It seemed really odd to just be a dream.

1230
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:20.119
<v Speaker 2>With that strange smell that was there one second and

1231
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:23.920
<v Speaker 2>gone the next. So I don't know, but it certainly

1232
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:24.559
<v Speaker 2>freaked me out.

1233
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Gina. Have you I mean it sounds like you do

1234
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:36.519
<v Speaker 1>mainly like houses, you know, like actual establishments. Do you

1235
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.000
<v Speaker 1>ever do objects?

1236
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I have? I have. I have done some objects. I've

1237
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:51.199
<v Speaker 2>I started collecting all the all sorts of old things, dolls, jewelry, photos,

1238
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:56.639
<v Speaker 2>and I have had some interesting interactions with some of them,

1239
01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and I got some interesting responses on my equipment when

1240
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I viewed some of these these objects, and I would say,

1241
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, objects, A lot of objects are in certain places,

1242
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.480
<v Speaker 2>so that's kind of a hard one I've done. I've

1243
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:18.719
<v Speaker 2>investigated Robert the Doll in Key West, which is in

1244
01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:19.199
<v Speaker 2>a museum.

1245
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:22.159
<v Speaker 1>You yeah, you went down there.

1246
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, that's a crazy story. And I don't know

1247
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:28.480
<v Speaker 2>if people are going to like what I have to

1248
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:30.599
<v Speaker 2>say about it, because when I talked about it on

1249
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:33.039
<v Speaker 2>my Instagram, a lot of people went went a little crazy.

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01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:35.800
<v Speaker 2>But the have you heard of the story?

1251
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:36.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1252
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:39.159
<v Speaker 1>I went to such him. I lived in the in

1253
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:40.119
<v Speaker 1>the Keys for a while.

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01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:42.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh you did, Okay, so you probably heard this. The

1255
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:47.639
<v Speaker 2>that the museum asks people to take to ask permission

1256
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:52.840
<v Speaker 2>before you take a photo. You've heard that they recently

1257
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:57.159
<v Speaker 2>changed the policy. They don't want anyone to ask permission anymore.

1258
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:01.159
<v Speaker 2>And that broke the internet because everyone wanted to come

1259
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:03.559
<v Speaker 2>out and fight with me about it. And I was

1260
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:08.320
<v Speaker 2>there in November and I was on the tour. I

1261
01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:10.519
<v Speaker 2>took the tour and then afterwards they give you free

1262
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:15.599
<v Speaker 2>time to explore and investigate. And the person who is

1263
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:17.840
<v Speaker 2>running the tour that worked for the museum said, listen.

1264
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:22.000
<v Speaker 2>As of recently, the owner of the museum, I don't

1265
01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:24.840
<v Speaker 2>know if he consulted with someone or I'm not sure,

1266
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:29.359
<v Speaker 2>but there was talk of the fact that by asking permission,

1267
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:33.680
<v Speaker 2>you are in a way giving permission to a spirit

1268
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:38.520
<v Speaker 2>to do negative things. You're almost inviting it to you

1269
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:40.680
<v Speaker 2>by asking permission, by giving it power.

1270
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:41.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1271
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much I believe in that, but

1272
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:46.399
<v Speaker 2>that was how the owners feel, and that is why

1273
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:49.479
<v Speaker 2>the owners changed the policy. So we were told, do

1274
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:54.920
<v Speaker 2>not ask permission, take pictures, and be cool. By being cool,

1275
01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:57.720
<v Speaker 2>he suggested, do not be rude, do not make fun

1276
01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:00.199
<v Speaker 2>of the doll, do not rant at the doll, say

1277
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:03.319
<v Speaker 2>anything negative to the doll. Because all this that and

1278
01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:06.119
<v Speaker 2>the other is going to happen. I was respectful. I

1279
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:08.560
<v Speaker 2>took lots of pictures, I took lots of videos. Nothing

1280
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:11.439
<v Speaker 2>that happened to me. But I did not ask permission,

1281
01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:14.039
<v Speaker 2>and nothing that happened to me. And everybody said, oh,

1282
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:16.800
<v Speaker 2>your camera's gonna go crazy and all these bad things

1283
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 2>are gonna happen to you, and you know what, nothing

1284
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:22.279
<v Speaker 2>did because I was respectful and I did with the

1285
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:26.760
<v Speaker 2>museum asked and I did get some activity with Robert,

1286
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.920
<v Speaker 2>which was cool. I didn't get a ton of activity.

1287
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say it was, you know, enough

1288
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to fill a YouTube video, but basically on an ovuloist

1289
01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:39.479
<v Speaker 2>device if you've ever heard of one, it's a little

1290
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:43.680
<v Speaker 2>digital word bank, and I got something that said secret,

1291
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:47.560
<v Speaker 2>reveal Robert. Okay, all those words came up at the

1292
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:49.079
<v Speaker 2>same time, and I took a photo of it, so

1293
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:51.359
<v Speaker 2>I have that evidence. And then when I was in

1294
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:53.720
<v Speaker 2>the room with Robert, it was just my husband who

1295
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:57.359
<v Speaker 2>was filming me and the doll, and I had a

1296
01:09:57.399 --> 01:09:59.880
<v Speaker 2>device that's called a portal, and the portal is something

1297
01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:03.119
<v Speaker 2>that works with the spirit box that simply stretches out

1298
01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the words a little bit longer using reverb so that

1299
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:07.920
<v Speaker 2>you can hear it a little bit more clearly, and

1300
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:09.720
<v Speaker 2>it cleans up some of that white noise so that

1301
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:14.079
<v Speaker 2>it's less, you know, it's a little cleaner. So I

1302
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:17.560
<v Speaker 2>during this time, I wasn't getting any responses, so I was,

1303
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:19.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, getting ready to wrap up, and I say, hey, Robert,

1304
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:22.319
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I think you're a pretty cool guy.

1305
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:25.560
<v Speaker 2>And you hear a little giggle, you know. I said,

1306
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:27.000
<v Speaker 2>all right, I'm getting ready to leave, but I just

1307
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:28.479
<v Speaker 2>want to let you know, man, I think you're a

1308
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:31.079
<v Speaker 2>cool guy. And I got what sounded like a childlike

1309
01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:33.880
<v Speaker 2>giggle through the spear box, you know, through my portal,

1310
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:38.159
<v Speaker 2>and it was it was pretty interesting. And you know,

1311
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:41.079
<v Speaker 2>does that mean anything? I don't know. It sounded kind

1312
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:43.199
<v Speaker 2>of cheeky. I was being a little cheeky too, you know.

1313
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of, you know, being lighthearted about it.

1314
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:49.399
<v Speaker 2>But you know, that is one of the most famous

1315
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:53.800
<v Speaker 2>haunted objects. And I did not feel negative at all

1316
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.479
<v Speaker 2>around it. A lot of people say, oh, it's you know,

1317
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.319
<v Speaker 2>you feel this negative, crazy energy around it. I didn't.

1318
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I personally did not feel that. But I also went

1319
01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:08.279
<v Speaker 2>there with an open mind and I went there very

1320
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:10.840
<v Speaker 2>much respectful I didn't say anything to taunt it. I

1321
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:13.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't say anything to you know, push its buttons.

1322
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:17.239
<v Speaker 1>So if if you go, if you go back, you

1323
01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:18.760
<v Speaker 1>should do. I don't know if you did this the

1324
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:21.000
<v Speaker 1>haunted ghost tour there in Key West.

1325
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I've done it earlier. Yeah before.

1326
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:27.239
<v Speaker 1>There's so much freaky things down there. Girl, I know.

1327
01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:29.640
<v Speaker 2>And uh, it's his name, the doctor.

1328
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:34.239
<v Speaker 1>The I was just going to bring that up her.

1329
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:38.199
<v Speaker 1>He like preserved his wife for something and like.

1330
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Girlfriends, not even she wouldn't marry him. She it was

1331
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:46.159
<v Speaker 2>he was he was a tuberculosis doctor and she was

1332
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:49.560
<v Speaker 2>dying of tuberculosis. But she was still married technically, but

1333
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:51.880
<v Speaker 2>she wasn't with her husband, but she wouldn't marry him.

1334
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:55.319
<v Speaker 2>And when she died, he took her body and preserved

1335
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:58.119
<v Speaker 2>it for years and consummated it.

1336
01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:02.800
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, and well the thing is that when they

1337
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:06.159
<v Speaker 6>found what is it? When they I think they found her,

1338
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:08.840
<v Speaker 6>she hadn't did for years years.

1339
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:11.039
<v Speaker 2>So what he had done essentially was he made her

1340
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.159
<v Speaker 2>into a doll. So what he was doing was he

1341
01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:19.800
<v Speaker 2>mummified her. He put wax and other preservatives around her

1342
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:24.840
<v Speaker 2>face and you know other areas, and he what he

1343
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.359
<v Speaker 2>essentially made her into a mummy. And what he would

1344
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:31.239
<v Speaker 2>do what was suspicious was he would always bring home

1345
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:33.960
<v Speaker 2>flowers and he would bring home lots of perfume. So

1346
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:36.880
<v Speaker 2>some people were getting suspicious of why is he doing

1347
01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:40.920
<v Speaker 2>this because they knew he didn't have a lady friend,

1348
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:44.840
<v Speaker 2>you know his head to the smell. Yeah, but some

1349
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:47.800
<v Speaker 2>people actually claim to have like towards the end when

1350
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:50.399
<v Speaker 2>he got caught. I don't know if his children in

1351
01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the area or if it was neighbors, but somebody saw

1352
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.720
<v Speaker 2>him dancing with the body like he was, oh, you know,

1353
01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:59.720
<v Speaker 2>dancing around his living room with this thing, and someone

1354
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:04.000
<v Speaker 2>saw it and they reported him. And yeah, yeah, it

1355
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:06.520
<v Speaker 2>was dark. It's real dark. It's really really dark. But

1356
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:09.399
<v Speaker 2>in that museum by the way, with Robert, they have

1357
01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:15.159
<v Speaker 2>the headstones. So when when after he did all this,

1358
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.760
<v Speaker 2>he dug her up from her grave and took her home.

1359
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:20.640
<v Speaker 2>So her family did not want to rebury her and

1360
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:23.039
<v Speaker 2>with a marked grave because they were concerned that he

1361
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:26.800
<v Speaker 2>was going to find her again, so they kind of

1362
01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:31.359
<v Speaker 2>put her all over the island supposedly, and the head markers.

1363
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:35.760
<v Speaker 2>There's some head markers in the museum. Now, it's pretty interesting.

1364
01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was trying to look up his name. I

1365
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:43.760
<v Speaker 1>think it was Caral something I can't remember, but yeah,

1366
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:46.840
<v Speaker 1>it was such a weird story. I remember that. And

1367
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:48.720
<v Speaker 1>then they took us to the house where Robert the

1368
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:52.880
<v Speaker 1>doll he lived with the boy right, and I think

1369
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:55.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't the mom try to get rid of the doll

1370
01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.079
<v Speaker 1>like several times and then the doll would just show

1371
01:13:58.199 --> 01:13:59.439
<v Speaker 1>up again.

1372
01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember, so, oh, it's Carl Tandler by the way,

1373
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to look up the name. So with Robert,

1374
01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:09.640
<v Speaker 2>basically the mom she didn't get rid of him, and

1375
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:12.319
<v Speaker 2>he came back, she would put him away in the attic,

1376
01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:16.520
<v Speaker 2>and it was basically the son developed a very unhealthy,

1377
01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:23.960
<v Speaker 2>unhealthy relationship with Robert, and you know, eventually somehow they

1378
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:26.600
<v Speaker 2>got him away from the doll. But then when the

1379
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:29.479
<v Speaker 2>parents passed away, he inherited the family home and he

1380
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:32.159
<v Speaker 2>came back to the keys with his wife, and then

1381
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:34.680
<v Speaker 2>he started back up with the doll. And it was

1382
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:39.560
<v Speaker 2>a very unhealthy attachment to the doll. And you know,

1383
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.399
<v Speaker 2>some people claim that they saw the doll running around.

1384
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Some people claim that they saw the doll peeking out

1385
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:47.560
<v Speaker 2>of the windows of the house. But ultimately the doll

1386
01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:50.239
<v Speaker 2>landed up in the hands of another woman who kept

1387
01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:54.279
<v Speaker 2>him for many years until finally donating him to the museum.

1388
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:57.159
<v Speaker 2>But she claimed, this is just what the museum said,

1389
01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:01.239
<v Speaker 2>that the doll locked her in a closet once. I mean,

1390
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:05.279
<v Speaker 2>it sounds absolutely insane, but that's what she claimed, and

1391
01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:08.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, they gave she gave the doll to the museum.

1392
01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.520
<v Speaker 2>And one thing I found really interesting about the doll

1393
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:13.600
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't know because I've listened to so many

1394
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:15.720
<v Speaker 2>podcasts and I've seen so many shows about him, and

1395
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:20.199
<v Speaker 2>I consider myself, you know, a Robert the Doll enthusiast.

1396
01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:22.920
<v Speaker 2>But one thing I found out from the museum was

1397
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Ozzy Osbourne had an attachment curse from Robert the Dall.

1398
01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Did you know that Ozzy Osbourne visited Robert the Dall

1399
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:36.039
<v Speaker 2>And this is per his son. So this is Jack

1400
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Osborne telling this story to the docent and apparent because

1401
01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Jack Osborne now has you know, had a show on

1402
01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:45.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, Portals to Health is the show about paranormal

1403
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:47.560
<v Speaker 2>so he's into that now. But he claims, this is

1404
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:50.720
<v Speaker 2>what he said to the docent of the museum, that

1405
01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Ozzie visited the doll and was taunting it, and he's like, yeah,

1406
01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:57.760
<v Speaker 2>you're not. You know, you're not really haunted. It's a

1407
01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:02.039
<v Speaker 2>munch bs whatever he said. And right around that time

1408
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:07.439
<v Speaker 2>he had some accidents his his Parkinson's really picked up.

1409
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:10.640
<v Speaker 2>There were numerous things in his life that were kind

1410
01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:13.479
<v Speaker 2>of happening all at the same time. And he considers

1411
01:16:14.119 --> 01:16:17.119
<v Speaker 2>himself cursed from that doll. That's what he That's what

1412
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:19.199
<v Speaker 2>he claims. So I thought that was pretty interesting because

1413
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I'd never heard of this.

1414
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:24.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, somebody else on the show claims that they got

1415
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:26.159
<v Speaker 3>cursed from the doll, and I think they sent the letter.

1416
01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of people send letters. And the guy

1417
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:33.079
<v Speaker 2>was telling me that there were some teenagers that were

1418
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:34.960
<v Speaker 2>recently there. I don't know how many months before I

1419
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:37.159
<v Speaker 2>had been there, but recently, and the kids, you know,

1420
01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:39.520
<v Speaker 2>kids are being kids, and they probably said things that

1421
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:43.119
<v Speaker 2>they shouldn't And apparently they were out the next day

1422
01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:47.960
<v Speaker 2>on their family's boat and the boat sunk and they

1423
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:50.800
<v Speaker 2>had to be rescued by the coast guard and the

1424
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:53.279
<v Speaker 2>parents made the kids march back to the museum and

1425
01:16:53.319 --> 01:17:00.560
<v Speaker 2>apologize to the doll. Oh gosh, yeah, that's crazy. I know,

1426
01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:02.479
<v Speaker 2>it's wild. I just I don't know, I just don't

1427
01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:05.880
<v Speaker 2>think that a doll is capable of that. But I

1428
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:08.359
<v Speaker 2>also think that the power of if you think that

1429
01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:11.159
<v Speaker 2>that's going to happen, it's the power of suggestion. But

1430
01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I still do approach everything with caution just in case.

1431
01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:17.880
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, it's at all, it's just at all.

1432
01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:19.399
<v Speaker 2>I know.

1433
01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:23.359
<v Speaker 3>All right, Uh, you got anything that's coming up, like

1434
01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:27.319
<v Speaker 3>any investigations that you got booked that you're looking forward

1435
01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:27.960
<v Speaker 3>to or anything.

1436
01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I am really excited. So I have one place

1437
01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:34.439
<v Speaker 2>that's in the works, which I can't announce exactly the

1438
01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:36.319
<v Speaker 2>location right now, but it's coming up and it's going

1439
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:38.520
<v Speaker 2>to be really cool if anybody's in the Miami area.

1440
01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:42.239
<v Speaker 2>We have a historic location that has reached out to

1441
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:45.640
<v Speaker 2>my paranormal team that is interested in hosting events. So

1442
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:47.840
<v Speaker 2>we are doing a preliminary with them so we can

1443
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:49.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of feel out the building and kind of catch

1444
01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the hot spot. So we might have a new location

1445
01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:55.960
<v Speaker 2>coming up. And I also one thing that's coming up

1446
01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:59.680
<v Speaker 2>for me is my team is joining this really cool

1447
01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:02.560
<v Speaker 2>parirent normal team from the West coast of Florida. They're

1448
01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:07.039
<v Speaker 2>they're beyond on the Border's paranormal and beyond the Boundaries

1449
01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Paranormal and they are bringing us to the Herd Opera

1450
01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:13.479
<v Speaker 2>House and so we're really excited to check that out.

1451
01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:16.399
<v Speaker 2>And I also have a book in the works that

1452
01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:19.319
<v Speaker 2>hopefully will be finished by this summer. And my book

1453
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.199
<v Speaker 2>is all about the cemetery symbolism we were talking about before,

1454
01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:26.119
<v Speaker 2>So I'm super stoked to finally get that out because

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01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:29.079
<v Speaker 2>writing a book, if you've ever done it, is one

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01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:31.279
<v Speaker 2>of the hardest things ever. And I am just excited

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01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:34.039
<v Speaker 2>to finally have all my ideas out there and share

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01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:34.800
<v Speaker 2>it with everybody.

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01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Awesome, good for you. Nice good luck on the book.

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01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:43.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let me know when it's When it's out, you

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01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:44.920
<v Speaker 3>come back on and promote it and talk a little

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01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:45.119
<v Speaker 3>bit more.

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<v Speaker 5>Ye.

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01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:51.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, awesome, I good luck, good luck with the future stuff. Uh,

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01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:55.880
<v Speaker 3>definitely keep checking out your Instagram, Lisa. Is there anything

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01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:58.800
<v Speaker 3>that you wanted to ask or get into.

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01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:01.600
<v Speaker 1>No, just I think this is very enlightening because you

1469
01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:04.600
<v Speaker 1>hear you watch it on TV and you kind of

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01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:06.520
<v Speaker 1>look at it on YouTube videos, but actually you get

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01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to ask somebody you know like about it over the

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01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.479
<v Speaker 1>back backstories and stuff like that. So, Gina, thank you

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01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:15.000
<v Speaker 1>so much. I really, really enjoyed it. There's so many

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01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:18.039
<v Speaker 1>haunted places all over the world, and the fact that

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01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:20.560
<v Speaker 1>you've even taken it to the next level and gone

1476
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:23.840
<v Speaker 1>to Europe and explored over there as well as take

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01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:26.199
<v Speaker 1>photographs and all that other stuff that I love that

1478
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:28.720
<v Speaker 1>because it's like boots on the ground doing your own

1479
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:29.960
<v Speaker 1>research and stuff like that.

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01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:31.800
<v Speaker 5>So I really really really enjoyed that.

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01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, but thank you.

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01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:35.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And then also the one question, have you ever gone

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01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:46.319
<v Speaker 1>to places where like an incident has happened, like a

1485
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:48.239
<v Speaker 1>bad incident has happened.

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01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have. I actually have a few times. I've

1487
01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:56.880
<v Speaker 2>investigated a site that was used by a serial killer

1488
01:19:56.880 --> 01:20:00.359
<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen seventies, and I've had I've had some

1489
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:05.560
<v Speaker 2>really really interesting, interesting things happened from that. I would

1490
01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:09.880
<v Speaker 2>say that it's important research to do because you know,

1491
01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:12.119
<v Speaker 2>we have evidence that we think that there might still

1492
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.960
<v Speaker 2>be some some people lingering in that area, both you know,

1493
01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:20.920
<v Speaker 2>both negative and positive people there. But what happened to

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01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:24.760
<v Speaker 2>me that was really interesting is I actually I think

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01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:28.560
<v Speaker 2>that I had an interesting interaction with the site. There's

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01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:32.119
<v Speaker 2>a tree and I was leaning up against the tree,

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01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and you know, wearing a shirt just like I'm wearing

1498
01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:38.119
<v Speaker 2>right now, and my whole back was all where I'd

1499
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.039
<v Speaker 2>leaned up against the tree was all burned, like as

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01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:43.800
<v Speaker 2>if I got sun burned and I was in the

1501
01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:46.079
<v Speaker 2>woods and I was wearing clothing. It wasn't, you know,

1502
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:48.720
<v Speaker 2>And it very mysteriously was gone the very next day.

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01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have, you know. And I think that in

1504
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.399
<v Speaker 2>some areas, especially, you know, where something horrific has happened,

1505
01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:59.199
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of leaves imprints, and you know, you

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01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:02.359
<v Speaker 2>might kind of interact with some of those. And I

1507
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:06.000
<v Speaker 2>think many of it is residual. But I do think

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01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:12.039
<v Speaker 2>evil can stain certain locations, and evil acts and evil

1509
01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:15.079
<v Speaker 2>situations can absolutely leave a mark on a place.

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01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:21.720
<v Speaker 5>That's a very interesting way to say it, very very cool.

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01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:25.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean not cool, but I mean it's interesting, really fascinating,

1512
01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:29.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, from a research standpoint, you know, it's it's

1513
01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:34.479
<v Speaker 2>fascinating to be able to to document that. And I

1514
01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:36.760
<v Speaker 2>think what I experienced was residual. I think that it

1515
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:39.720
<v Speaker 2>was just negative energy that was just lingering. I don't

1516
01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:43.199
<v Speaker 2>think it was anything really intelligent about it, but it's

1517
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:47.039
<v Speaker 2>still it's nonetheless, it's still something too, something to take

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01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:49.239
<v Speaker 2>into consideration and something to document.

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01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:56.279
<v Speaker 3>Mhm. You w into Ghost Adventures, you watched that show.

1520
01:21:57.439 --> 01:22:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I have a love relationship with that show, you know,

1521
01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:06.439
<v Speaker 2>but Zach is a little ridiculous. I mean, as much

1522
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:07.800
<v Speaker 2>as he drives me nuts, you.

1523
01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:09.159
<v Speaker 3>Know, I want the entertainment.

1524
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you did you hear what happened to Aaron?

1525
01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:12.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

1526
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:19.640
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yo, come on, tried to kill him.

1527
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:21.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how did she try to kill him?

1528
01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:23.520
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even I saw the article and I was like,

1529
01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:25.479
<v Speaker 3>I can't, I can't. I was like, I can't believe

1530
01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:25.960
<v Speaker 3>this right now.

1531
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Contacted someone in prison, a hitman, and paid him. I

1532
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:37.680
<v Speaker 2>want to say it was eleven thousand dollars to murder

1533
01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:41.479
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Goodwin, her husband of two years I think, or

1534
01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:45.840
<v Speaker 2>around two years, and there he tried to do it

1535
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:48.920
<v Speaker 2>while he was filming, so he was filming the show,

1536
01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:54.680
<v Speaker 2>and she sent this guy to murder her husband, and

1537
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.800
<v Speaker 2>she got caught and they have enough evidence to indict

1538
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:04.720
<v Speaker 2>her for still listening a hit man and something. There's

1539
01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:06.920
<v Speaker 2>two charges. I don't remember what they both were, but

1540
01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:10.439
<v Speaker 2>there are keeping charged with two different things and she's

1541
01:23:10.479 --> 01:23:13.159
<v Speaker 2>being held for like one hundred thousand dollars.

1542
01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Joh, imagine they popped off Zack by accident.

1543
01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Well, I mean he's a pretty big guy.

1544
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Actually confused.

1545
01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:27.119
<v Speaker 2>He's such a nice guy. I just want to give

1546
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:27.600
<v Speaker 2>him a hug.

1547
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.279
<v Speaker 3>It seems like if any I guess, if anybody in

1548
01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:32.119
<v Speaker 3>the crew, this would happen to him though, right, because

1549
01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:33.800
<v Speaker 3>he always had the shittiest luck, or at least they

1550
01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:35.319
<v Speaker 3>play it off like that on the show, right.

1551
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:35.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1552
01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:38.720
<v Speaker 2>And I just think that, you know, sometimes, but this

1553
01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:43.079
<v Speaker 2>is my opinion on it. I think sometimes really nice

1554
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:47.239
<v Speaker 2>will happen to fall into that category of getting with

1555
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:49.840
<v Speaker 2>a partner that takes advantage of that. And I don't

1556
01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:52.720
<v Speaker 2>know them as a couple, but I think that sometimes

1557
01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:57.439
<v Speaker 2>when people are very just you know, not the alpha

1558
01:23:57.640 --> 01:23:59.840
<v Speaker 2>is a good way to describe it. You know, they're

1559
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:02.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of understanding there, they go with the flow. They're

1560
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:06.640
<v Speaker 2>just kind of very chill, and you have someone who's

1561
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:09.439
<v Speaker 2>opposite from that, sometimes they become a little bit of

1562
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:11.800
<v Speaker 2>a doormat. And I could see that. I could see

1563
01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:14.520
<v Speaker 2>that being the case here, and I absolutely think it

1564
01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:18.079
<v Speaker 2>was financially motivated. You know, he makes money in in

1565
01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:21.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, in that show, and he probably has other dealings,

1566
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:25.119
<v Speaker 2>and she didn't want a divorce because she wanted the money,

1567
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:28.039
<v Speaker 2>she wanted the life insurance. So you know, it's a

1568
01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:32.039
<v Speaker 2>tales all as time, and what an idiot for even

1569
01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:34.800
<v Speaker 2>thinking she can get away with that. And I hope

1570
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:37.239
<v Speaker 2>she I hope if it is true, and it sounds

1571
01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:38.520
<v Speaker 2>like it is, because I think they have a lot

1572
01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:40.800
<v Speaker 2>of evidence against her, so I can't really like convict

1573
01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:43.399
<v Speaker 2>her before she's even been to court. But if it

1574
01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:47.399
<v Speaker 2>is true, I hope she she gets the maximum time

1575
01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:57.439
<v Speaker 2>in prison for that. So wow, because see you later bye, I.

1576
01:24:57.479 --> 01:25:03.399
<v Speaker 3>Know it's we're funny with up man. Uh. Thanks again, Lisa,

1577
01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.800
<v Speaker 3>thank you again for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it.

1578
01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely great, very interesting.

1579
01:25:09.199 --> 01:25:12.640
<v Speaker 3>Of course of course. Uh Gina again, would you like

1580
01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:14.920
<v Speaker 3>to let everybody know where they can find you and

1581
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:15.560
<v Speaker 3>all your work?

1582
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:21.199
<v Speaker 2>So you can find me on Instagram and TikTok at

1583
01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:26.319
<v Speaker 2>She Hunts, and I have a blog. I am a

1584
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:30.640
<v Speaker 2>writer and a photographer as well as a paranormal investigator,

1585
01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:32.199
<v Speaker 2>so you can follow along with me on my hont

1586
01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:36.279
<v Speaker 2>end investigations and you can join me in the graveyard.

1587
01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Awesome, and you have a link tree correct, yes, all right,

1588
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:43.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure that's already in the YouTube now for everybody,

1589
01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:45.239
<v Speaker 3>So if you want to go check out his stuff,

1590
01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure I already put the link tree in there.

1591
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:50.159
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, of course, of course, thank you very very

1592
01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:52.520
<v Speaker 3>much for coming on, and thank you everybody who jumped

1593
01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:54.319
<v Speaker 3>in on the chat. That's what's up. I saw I

1594
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:56.319
<v Speaker 3>think a few new names in that might have actually

1595
01:25:56.399 --> 01:25:58.359
<v Speaker 3>maybe been from you. I don't know.

1596
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I saw my friend Matt was in the chat earlier.

1597
01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:04.479
<v Speaker 2>He Matt is from a show called Dark Echoes Paranormal

1598
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:09.520
<v Speaker 2>and he's he's the host and the producer and they're

1599
01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>doing their thing all the way up the East Coast.

1600
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:15.119
<v Speaker 2>They're on Amazon and all kinds of paraflex and other

1601
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:17.960
<v Speaker 2>fun outlets. So yeah, i'd like I'd like to see

1602
01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:19.880
<v Speaker 2>some some familiar faces in there.

1603
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:23.159
<v Speaker 3>Thank you of course, of course. No again, thank you

1604
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:25.960
<v Speaker 3>for coming on. And again, seriously, when you when you're

1605
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:27.760
<v Speaker 3>ready to drop that book, please let me know you

1606
01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.359
<v Speaker 3>can come on. Yeah, we'll let you talk about it.

1607
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:31.039
<v Speaker 3>You could promote it.

1608
01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys for having me, of course.

1609
01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and again everybody in the chat, thank you very

1610
01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:40.800
<v Speaker 3>much for coming and joining us tonight. That's what's up.

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01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:44.159
<v Speaker 3>That's why I go live and uh, until the next one.

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01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Everybody be well later.