Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's going to happen? I think?
Speaker 3: What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I
Speaker 3: got Lisa, a cult reject mad scientist, joining me tonight.
Speaker 3: What is up, Lisa?
Speaker 1: How are you this fine going in to this conversation?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, it's been a while since we've kind of
Speaker 3: really done like a strictly paranormal show and finally got
Speaker 3: someone on that. I've had bookeds for a minute. I've
Speaker 3: been very much looking forward to this, and tonight we
Speaker 3: got Gina Black. Gina, what is up? Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for coming on the Occult Rejects tonight. I guess
Speaker 3: real quick if you don't mind, let everybody know kind
Speaker 3: of like what you're dear is what you do with
Speaker 3: the paranormal and all that and where they can find
Speaker 3: your stuff.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you, Thank you so much for having me. So.
Speaker 2: My name is Gina Black, and I am a paranormal investigator.
Speaker 2: I'm also a photographer, blogger, and I am working on
Speaker 2: a book about cemetery symbolism. I absolutely love learning about
Speaker 2: the history of sculpture and the hidden meetings that our
Speaker 2: ancestors were trying to hide for us to find. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like a fun treasure hunt, and I think
Speaker 2: that it's an interesting thing that I want to bring
Speaker 2: back into the conversation of modern times. So I absolutely
Speaker 2: I love visiting interesting, creepy, spooky places. I travel the
Speaker 2: world and I like to go to haunted locations as
Speaker 2: well as historic cemeteries. So you can find me on
Speaker 2: Instagram and TikTok at Chihans and you can check out
Speaker 2: my blog and my photos there.
Speaker 3: Listen, Thank you very much. You know, one thing I
Speaker 3: did want to ask, like, the cemetery is in graveyards?
Speaker 3: Did you think there was actually like I would assume
Speaker 3: maybe because what you're trying to explain, like to symbolism,
Speaker 3: do you think it's like a cult symbolism.
Speaker 2: It can be, It absolutely can be. There are some
Speaker 2: I would say, hidden symbolisms that could absolutely, you know,
Speaker 2: fall under the occult umbrella. I would say more of
Speaker 2: it that we see in our modern cemeteries is from
Speaker 2: the Victorian era. And during the Victorian era there was
Speaker 2: this really big shift in really focusing on hidden meanings,
Speaker 2: and there's just a wealth of information that is waiting
Speaker 2: to be kind of rediscovered because over time less and
Speaker 2: less people would go to cemeteries. They kind of fell
Speaker 2: out of fashion, you know, even in the United States,
Speaker 2: you knows, as a society, we used to go to
Speaker 2: cemeteries on Sundays after church and you would have a
Speaker 2: picnic with your family and you would sit and reminisce
Speaker 2: about your loved one. And then you know, the public
Speaker 2: parks were really pushed more to the forefront. Public parks
Speaker 2: were created, so people really weren't going to cemeteries anymore,
Speaker 2: and people it just kind of fell out of vogue,
Speaker 2: you know, And nowadays all of that is lost, and
Speaker 2: unless you're talking to an old timer or somebody who
Speaker 2: maybe is giving a cemetery tour, you might not even
Speaker 2: really realize what these hidden meetings are. So for me,
Speaker 2: it's just been a really cool journey to kind of
Speaker 2: decipher all of these little, you know, treasure hunts situations
Speaker 2: around the world. And I absolutely love it. It's a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome. Yeah, No, it definitely looks like it
Speaker 3: from the stuff I've seen your post. I just found
Speaker 3: that interesting. It's like, you know, even like the person's
Speaker 3: like on their way out the door, they're dead, and
Speaker 3: they're still dropping symbolism on their tombstone, like you can't stop.
Speaker 3: It's your final resting place. You still had to leave
Speaker 3: a symbol for something that's funny, and.
Speaker 2: A lot of people plan them out before they do
Speaker 2: the artwork planned out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's to say, like a quote or something.
Speaker 3: Right, a real occult. This is going to make sure
Speaker 3: that gravestone has something on that. Oh yeah, what's some
Speaker 3: of the craziest places that you've you know what? Actually,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll bring this up first and then maybe
Speaker 3: that will kind of lead us into it. I did
Speaker 3: want to pull up some of the photos I did
Speaker 3: see you post on Instagram with some of the graveyards
Speaker 3: and cemeteries you've been to. I'm going to pull those
Speaker 3: up real quick. This one, this place, can you you
Speaker 3: can see it correct?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Do you remember?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, that was in the Pierre la Chase Cemetery
Speaker 2: in Paris. It is most notably, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people might know it because that's the final resting
Speaker 2: place of Jim Morrison. And when I was in Paris
Speaker 2: last summer, I was just you know, I went to
Speaker 2: Paris specifically for this cemetery and for the catacombs, and
Speaker 2: it is just an incredible property filled with amazing sculpture.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Jim morrisons, Yeah, yeah, this is pretty big.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of things like that. What made
Speaker 3: you go to this place was that one of the
Speaker 3: reasons why, like, is it Jim Morrison really.
Speaker 2: Or well someone who's an enthusiast of cemetery sculpture. Parella
Speaker 2: Chase is actually the most visited cemetery in the world.
Speaker 2: And it's an interesting place because there's just so many
Speaker 2: examples of cemetery symbolism. When you look at these monuments
Speaker 2: and you look at these sculptures and you look at
Speaker 2: the headstones, you'll see things like, you know, the wreath
Speaker 2: on the door just below where you were just you know,
Speaker 2: showing the wreath represents eternal life, the idea that life
Speaker 2: and death are kind of a encircling situation. It's just
Speaker 2: the beginning of what's coming next. And you see the
Speaker 2: different flowers, they all have different symbolisms. If you see
Speaker 2: onto the right there where there's the urn, it looks
Speaker 2: like covered in a veil. Basically, the when you see
Speaker 2: fabric draped over areas of a headstone or a mausleum,
Speaker 2: it represents the veil between life and death, and sometimes
Speaker 2: we're just beyond the veil from our loved one, and
Speaker 2: the momentumory of that is, hey, you know, this is
Speaker 2: where I am and so will you be one day.
Speaker 2: So it's a reminder of, you know, live life to
Speaker 2: the fullest. So you get these interesting, interesting motifs throughout
Speaker 2: the cemetery in that property in Paris.
Speaker 3: Something I want to ask, the silly question maybe I
Speaker 3: don't even know if you know the answer to it,
Speaker 3: is this like a predominantly Catholic cemetery.
Speaker 2: I would say so, I would say so, there's mostly
Speaker 2: mostly Catholic graves, but there are others that were Catholic.
Speaker 2: I actually witnessed a few that had There was a
Speaker 2: few that had skulls. There were a few that. Now
Speaker 2: the other thing is the direction of the graves. So
Speaker 2: in a Catholic plot, you are always going to face east. Now,
Speaker 2: if you see a grave or a plot that's facing
Speaker 2: another direction, that typically meant back in the Victorian times
Speaker 2: that you were either exiled from the church, or perhaps
Speaker 2: you were protesting against the church, or you were either
Speaker 2: accused of witchcraft or you were proclaiming you were which
Speaker 2: because people that faced the west were not aligned with
Speaker 2: the church. So that's another thing that's kind of interesting
Speaker 2: about that property. And you do see some of that.
Speaker 3: It's just like even like this stuff here, it's is
Speaker 3: constant things I've only seen. They find it interesting how
Speaker 3: it's always either on some Masonic buildings in Catholic churches,
Speaker 3: same architecture, this thing in the back. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 3: I asked it was Catholic, because I was like.
Speaker 2: If it's in the in the Birth of Venus painting,
Speaker 2: which was a famous painting. You know, I forget who
Speaker 2: the artist was, but you see that kind of iconic
Speaker 2: sculpture behind her. Yes, it's very similar. And you know
Speaker 2: they're mimicking the Romans. They're mimicking the ancient Greeks, and
Speaker 2: you see that a lot in the Victorian cemeteries. Is
Speaker 2: they were really looking at these romantic statues and they
Speaker 2: were taking that inspiration into the cemetery.
Speaker 3: I actually was looking. I don't I don't have a mean,
Speaker 3: I can't find it fast enough, but maybe later. I
Speaker 3: actually that photo that you talk about, I actually use
Speaker 3: that a lot to show how I think it's actually
Speaker 3: silly as it sounds, that painting is depicting the inside of.
Speaker 2: The arrival, inside of your eyeball.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll I'll see if I can try to pull
Speaker 3: it up later, maybe while you're talking, I can try
Speaker 3: to find Yeah, because I have, I can show you
Speaker 3: the comparison. It's yeah. Yeah. When we did it a cult,
Speaker 3: we did a series on occult symbolism it's all inside
Speaker 3: you head or something, and we focused on the eyeballs. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do actually think that painting is, believe it or not,
Speaker 3: from the eyeball.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that and that's exactly why I think this
Speaker 3: art is on Catholic Catholic churches is because I think
Speaker 3: they actually understood the eyeball as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most of the most of these sculptures. Back in
Speaker 1: the time of when they were making all of these sculptures,
Speaker 1: they were closeted anatomists in that they were digging up
Speaker 1: bodies and uh and doing I guess sisections on cadavers.
Speaker 1: They were obsessed with the anagomy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Leonardo da Vinci was actually one of the most prolific,
Speaker 2: uh you know, artists that also did a lot of
Speaker 2: dissections in his notebooks and did a lot of incredible
Speaker 2: work that was very much kind of hidden from time
Speaker 2: for you know, hundreds of years before it was rediscovered.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting.
Speaker 3: This one's wild. Where's this one that is.
Speaker 2: At the same property in Paris? And you're going to
Speaker 2: see that that reef that they're holding up, and that
Speaker 2: means not only does it mean eternity, doesn't mean life
Speaker 2: is a continuation death in life for the same thing,
Speaker 2: but it also in this case it's representing victory because
Speaker 2: they're holding it up. So the way I would interpret
Speaker 2: this culture is that this man who is on the
Speaker 2: top of the pedestal is someone who had you know,
Speaker 2: was victorious in life, made he was a successful businessman,
Speaker 2: maybe he was a successful military person, and he wants
Speaker 2: to be recognized for these accomplishments. The wreath also depending
Speaker 2: on how you look at it, Some people look at
Speaker 2: reads as definitely going back to the Roman in ancient
Speaker 2: Greek times, because they would put a wreath on top
Speaker 2: of your head if you won the Olympics, or if
Speaker 2: you were a military person or royalty in Rome, you
Speaker 2: would wear a wreath on top of your head, So
Speaker 2: that could also play into the symbolism. But what I
Speaker 2: found so impressive about this particular sculpture that when I
Speaker 2: took this photo is this is all bronze. This is
Speaker 2: an absolute incredible sculpture that, in my opinion, is worthy
Speaker 2: of being in a museum somewhere, and you're just going
Speaker 2: to see it in a park like setting, and it's
Speaker 2: just an interesting part of the cultural history that's in
Speaker 2: the background of Paris. Because when you think of Paris,
Speaker 2: you think, oh, I'm going to go to the Eiffel Tower,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the Louver, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go to all these places. But you don't think to
Speaker 2: go to the cemetery unless you're spooky, like you know
Speaker 2: some of us are. But there is a huge, huge
Speaker 2: amount of wealth in this cemetery of all types of artwork,
Speaker 2: and it's, in my opinion, one of the best I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. I'm selling it. I don't work for the
Speaker 2: cemetery guys, because I absolutely I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if a lot of the stuff I got
Speaker 3: is actually from that one spot, because it all those
Speaker 3: kind of look like the same type of this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the next one, Okay, this one is actually from
Speaker 2: New Orleans. Yes, this one was from New Orleans and
Speaker 2: the military Cemetery and this is a lot of people
Speaker 2: think to go just immediately to Lafayette Number one or
Speaker 2: Lafayette number two, which are within the city limits kind
Speaker 2: of the downtown area, very close to the Garden district.
Speaker 2: But this one is just outside of the city proper.
Speaker 2: And this place was recommended to me by a friend
Speaker 2: who lives in the area, and she said, listen, you
Speaker 2: love sculpture, you got to go to this place because
Speaker 2: there are some incredible examples of mausoleums. Because in New
Speaker 2: Orleans most people are buried above ground because they're below
Speaker 2: sea level, So you're going to see a lot of crips,
Speaker 2: and you're going to see a lot of these beautiful mausoleums.
Speaker 2: So this particular one, when I was on the property,
Speaker 2: I walked up to it just wanting to get a
Speaker 2: closer look of this beautiful stained glass window. And lo
Speaker 2: and behold, the doors were open, so we got to
Speaker 2: step inside and we got to see the glass a
Speaker 2: little closer. It was a really nice experience.
Speaker 3: Did you happen to notice on the glass, like depending
Speaker 3: on which way you angle that, like looked at the light,
Speaker 3: might have seen different etching in there.
Speaker 2: I actually took a close up of this, which was
Speaker 2: the second photo in that series, and I didn't really
Speaker 2: notice anything at the time, but you know, with all art,
Speaker 2: there's room for interpretation, and I certainly think that depending
Speaker 2: on you know, there it is, so you got it, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: you can look get this. You know, perhaps as we
Speaker 2: have the top area looks kind of like a sun
Speaker 2: that might represent in a lot of imagery, the sun
Speaker 2: represents Jesus Christ because he's considered the son of God,
Speaker 2: so that could be some symbolism there. There might even
Speaker 2: be some crucifixes in there if you look closely, some flowers.
Speaker 2: When you're looking at art, and there's a lot of flowers,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of Christian images with the flowers.
Speaker 2: I learned actually that there is a flower that it
Speaker 2: comes up a lot in Christian art known as the
Speaker 2: Passion flower or the you know, kind of link to
Speaker 2: the passion of Christ, and that particular flower comes up
Speaker 2: a lot within paintings of Bible scenes and it represents
Speaker 2: Jesus and the Holy Trinity, so that could be part
Speaker 2: of it. But there are some interesting colors in this
Speaker 2: one which you normally do not find in mausoleum. So
Speaker 2: this one definitely stood out from the crowd. Then, of
Speaker 2: course this was designed for the Mezierri. I might not
Speaker 2: be pronouncing that correctly Mezierri uh. And it's in New
Speaker 2: Orleans either Metri perhaps Metri along those signs. Ooh, this one.
Speaker 2: This is a cool spot that I absolutely loved. So
Speaker 2: I have this funny thing that happens, and I swear
Speaker 2: it's not something I plan. But whenever I travel, I
Speaker 2: always get Airbnbs because a lot of times I might
Speaker 2: be staying for a week to two weeks. And in
Speaker 2: this particular trip, I was in London and I was
Speaker 2: staying in an area, a suburb of London known as Hempstead,
Speaker 2: and this is the Hempstead Cemetery. Now it's not considered
Speaker 2: if you've ever heard of the Marvelous Seven, which are
Speaker 2: the seven very famous properties of London, this is not
Speaker 2: considered one. However, it has some incredible sculpture. And what
Speaker 2: I thought was kind of interesting during my research was
Speaker 2: the Hempstead Cemetery was kind of mentioned in some articles
Speaker 2: about the Highgate Cemetery Vampire, which is not far away,
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of kind of interesting information
Speaker 2: that was shared in these publications that kind of scared
Speaker 2: the community into thinking that there were vampires in the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. So it was a pretty interesting time. And
Speaker 2: this particular property was about one block from where I
Speaker 2: was staying, and it was it just had some really
Speaker 2: really really cool sculpture in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it looks thinks pretty cool. Right.
Speaker 2: So this was also that same property that I mentioned
Speaker 2: before from New Orleans. And you can see just the
Speaker 2: incredible details and the just the scale of how these
Speaker 2: mausoleums are designed is truly truly, truly just you know,
Speaker 2: very inspiring. And you'll see on this one we have
Speaker 2: Gothic elements from Gothic churches. There's also some ancient Greek
Speaker 2: elements with the Corinthian style columns. You'll see those a
Speaker 2: lot in ancient Greece and Rome. And you see just
Speaker 2: these beautiful, beautiful, tiny details that were all hand carved,
Speaker 2: because none of these were cookie cutter in any way.
Speaker 2: The family had to commission an artist to come and
Speaker 2: sculpt these pieces.
Speaker 1: These particular mausoleums, they remind me of a birth canal,
Speaker 1: like almost like you come into this world in a
Speaker 1: birth canal, you exited out.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's really interesting. Me, that's the idea
Speaker 2: of life and day. That's the cycle of life. That's
Speaker 2: very interesting. I really like that.
Speaker 3: And then this one.
Speaker 2: Also in New Orleans. This one, you know, you can
Speaker 2: see that there's you know, we we have the angel
Speaker 2: up top. The angels are always a representation of messengers
Speaker 2: from God, and in some cases, when the angel is
Speaker 2: looking down over that the this these persons plot, this
Speaker 2: might mean that they're being looked after or they're being
Speaker 2: watched over from heaven. And you know, it's just that
Speaker 2: I always personally love to find cemetery angels. It's actually,
Speaker 2: you know, for me, whenever I see one, I always
Speaker 2: have to photograph them, and it's they're just they have
Speaker 2: such a presence, you know, it's just a peaceful watcher
Speaker 2: kind of presence in a cemetery that I always really
Speaker 2: really care for. Oh yeah, yeah, this is This is
Speaker 2: also in New Orleans. I really love this one as well.
Speaker 2: And now a fun fact is the Victorian era was
Speaker 2: very very into the ancient Egyptian artwork. And around that time,
Speaker 2: you know, during the eighteen hundreds, there was a lot
Speaker 2: of excavations going on of tombs and we had all
Speaker 2: this information coming out about explorers finding riches and you know,
Speaker 2: pyramids and all of this was in the forefront in
Speaker 2: the papers, and it became fascinating for the Victorians. So
Speaker 2: you see a lot of that in cemeteries. You might
Speaker 2: see a sphinx, you might see a pyramid. But this
Speaker 2: one they really went all out. And you have up
Speaker 2: top here with the wings and that circular element that
Speaker 2: represents the sun god raw and I think that the
Speaker 2: female figure on the left is some sort of goddess.
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure who, but you know, certainly someone
Speaker 2: who's welcoming the spirits into the afterlife, you know, by
Speaker 2: kind of raising that hand, you know, kind of bringing
Speaker 2: them to the afterlife. Is kind of the way I
Speaker 2: read that statue. But absolutely incredible detail.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, I think so, yeah, sorry controm here, That's
Speaker 4: why I'm assuming it's the same one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same property. I usually do them in
Speaker 2: series in a series, so if I visit a property,
Speaker 2: I'll kind of release them all around the same time.
Speaker 2: But yes, this is also New Orleans, and this certainly
Speaker 2: had a lot of Catholic imagery on this one, and
Speaker 2: you know it's I just I absolutely love to see
Speaker 2: when you see these figures draped in cloaks and shrouds.
Speaker 2: It's just a beautiful you know, the way that they
Speaker 2: hug the body is a very interesting thing in sculpture
Speaker 2: and it's very hard to do as an artist. I'm
Speaker 2: also a painter and I draw, and when when you're
Speaker 2: drawing fabric like that, I can't even imagine sculpting fabric
Speaker 2: like that. It's so difficult to make it look natural.
Speaker 2: And these it's just a beautiful example of one.
Speaker 3: Was that I show this one earlier?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, that's the one with the eas stained glass. Okay,
Speaker 2: so this is one that was taken in the Highgate
Speaker 2: Cemetery in London. Highgate is the very samous famous cemetery,
Speaker 2: and I had mentioned before there was a vampire panic.
Speaker 2: I think it was actually the nineteen sixty eight, it
Speaker 2: was nineteen seventies. I think it was nineteen sixty eight
Speaker 2: was the vampire panic. But it happened in this property
Speaker 2: and people actually thought there were vampires sleeping and hiding
Speaker 2: away in this in this cemetery, which is pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: As you know, it's local lore goes, it's it's pretty
Speaker 2: wild and it was something that the local papers were
Speaker 2: actually publishing and people on talk shows were actually putting
Speaker 2: out there to the public. So it was a big panic.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, and when was that again, I'm gonna I'm.
Speaker 2: Just gonna double check here. I want to say it
Speaker 2: was nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 1: Let me see, that's very recent.
Speaker 2: It was very recent, and people really thought that there
Speaker 2: were vampires.
Speaker 3: Lansdale was behind that. It's quite dead, right. What happened
Speaker 3: I was joking about. There was this guy who worked
Speaker 3: for the CIA. His last name was Lansdale, and he
Speaker 3: went over to the Philippines and actually had people out
Speaker 3: in the woods thinking that there was vampires killing people
Speaker 3: because they were hanging people from the trees and like
Speaker 3: stabbing them in the neck. Oh yeah, they're trying to
Speaker 3: like literally scare people, the Filipino people that they thought
Speaker 3: might have been like horroring communists. So they're like literally
Speaker 3: made people think that there was a vampires out there.
Speaker 3: And then they were flying around in helicopters like sending
Speaker 3: like like messages out sounding it was like ghosts and
Speaker 3: making it sound like the very easy Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 3: the people people started believing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm sorry, So this was actually it's saying
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. I knew was the end of the It's
Speaker 2: his late sixties, early seventies. So it wasn't that in
Speaker 2: that time, in that time era of the the vampires
Speaker 2: of this property. Sorry, I just wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: I got that close.
Speaker 5: Very recent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was, and it was in occult society.
Speaker 2: And they were hanging out in the cemetery and they
Speaker 2: claimed to see a vampire walking around. And they sat
Speaker 2: down and they were interviewed, and all these people were
Speaker 2: listening to these two guys, and they were saying, oh
Speaker 2: I saw a vampire, and oh I saw it too,
Speaker 2: And they claimed that they were finding animals in the
Speaker 2: cemetery drained of all of their blood. And they wiled up,
Speaker 2: when I tell you, mobs of people, okay, came into
Speaker 2: the cemetery and where they were taking graves. They were
Speaker 2: opening up vaults in their catacomb area where they had caskets,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like a you know, in a
Speaker 2: in a wall, and they were ripping open these these
Speaker 2: caskets and staking the bodies inside. And this was the
Speaker 2: late sixties, early seventies. They went on and in London,
Speaker 2: of all places, is.
Speaker 1: This a promise for an interview with the Vampire.
Speaker 2: No, it's not actually, but it's interesting. I thought it
Speaker 2: was kind of cool because you know, now we have
Speaker 2: nos Faratu and everybody that's back on the you know,
Speaker 2: on everyone's radar because they did the remake, and you know,
Speaker 2: then we have this story, this local story that really
Speaker 2: kind of riled people up and had people in a panic.
Speaker 1: Do you im want to ask one more question? I apologize.
Speaker 1: Do you happen to know what a Cold Society was?
Speaker 2: It was? I know the guy's name was Sean Manchester
Speaker 2: and I believe the other guy's name was I'll find
Speaker 2: it for you. I can send you can I send?
Speaker 2: I can't send something to the chat. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm able to do that.
Speaker 3: So you might be able to send like a link
Speaker 3: in the private jet and I could pick that up.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: It's so interesting though, and it was so recent.
Speaker 2: It was so recent people the name of a British
Speaker 2: occult society. So the British Occult Society. It was Seawan
Speaker 2: ment Chester and David Farrant were the two guys that
Speaker 2: were in the British Occult Society. And what happened was
Speaker 2: they there was some vandalism the day after Halloween in
Speaker 2: the cemetery, right, So what do you think that would
Speaker 2: be if you saw if you went to the cemetery
Speaker 2: the day after Halloween, what would be your first thought?
Speaker 2: Kids maybe hanging out on Halloween?
Speaker 3: Right, Like maybe the night before Halloween and Halloween. You
Speaker 3: got two days of stuff going on in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So instead of you know, kids being kids and
Speaker 2: taking it to where it should have been, this occult
Speaker 2: society starts claiming that they're seeing dark figures walking around
Speaker 2: in the cemetery. And they took an interview with the
Speaker 2: Hempstead Press, and they took an interview with you know,
Speaker 2: various other publications. They get on TV. Everybody's putting microphones
Speaker 2: in their face and they are just telling these tall
Speaker 2: tales and they're freaking everybody out. So it, you know,
Speaker 2: it's an interesting thing. And if you go to this
Speaker 2: property today, So I took of course, I had to
Speaker 2: take the tour because you know, I am who I am,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to talk to a guide and you know,
Speaker 2: find out all the hidden information. And what's wild is
Speaker 2: you know, there are still some areas of the cemetery
Speaker 2: to this day that are damaged from that time of
Speaker 2: all of the riots and the people that came in
Speaker 2: and vandalized thinking that they were looking for vampires. So
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: Uh, real quick if you don't mind. Actually, I'll show
Speaker 3: this real little fast just to get this over with.
Speaker 3: I don't know how easily they I'll see it.
Speaker 2: But oh interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And like even the thing is too like under that
Speaker 3: round part like kind of where like the real tip
Speaker 3: of the eye, I mean that's water as well, and
Speaker 3: then the back of the eye has like flood so
Speaker 3: I mean there's even water on that, you know, even
Speaker 3: water the seashell. Do you think it's quite.
Speaker 2: Possible that's there's interesting parallels for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now some of the symbolism and then we'll get
Speaker 3: into like some of your experiences. But like, isn't there
Speaker 3: a I know, there was something you're talking about with
Speaker 3: the crown on your own Instagram thing. Maybe you want
Speaker 3: to get into that, maybe a couple of the things
Speaker 3: that you've picked up on on symbolism for graveyards and smeteries.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, So the crown, A lot of people think,
Speaker 2: you know, when you see a crown on a grave
Speaker 2: that it instant means royalty, but a lot of people
Speaker 2: believe that it is a follower of God, and if
Speaker 2: you follow Christianity, it's said that as long as you're
Speaker 2: faithful and you believe in God, you will have a
Speaker 2: place in heaven. You will be brought into the afterlife,
Speaker 2: into heaven, and you will receive your place in heaven
Speaker 2: when you pass, and therefore you will be part of
Speaker 2: that royal afterlife with the crown. So that's pretty interesting,
Speaker 2: and it kind of also looks if you kind of
Speaker 2: dissect it, it means someone who really lived a life
Speaker 2: without sin, someone who lived in a way that was holy.
Speaker 2: So you're kind of looking at victory against you know,
Speaker 2: victory against death, victory against sin, someone who kept a
Speaker 2: very straight and narrow So that's typically what the crown represents. Now,
Speaker 2: you can find the crown in other ways too. You
Speaker 2: might find it on an angel, And of course the
Speaker 2: angels are considered messengers from God. They're considered spirit guides
Speaker 2: or people, you know, entities that come down to bring
Speaker 2: the deceased to heaven. If you see one with a crown,
Speaker 2: that might just be that, you know, along the same
Speaker 2: lines that they're members of heaven. I've also seen it
Speaker 2: the crown with a snake, and in certain Greek cultures
Speaker 2: and Roman cultures, snakes are not bad. They're not considered,
Speaker 2: you know, the negative bad guy, and a lot of
Speaker 2: ancient texts, snakes were also considered healers. And you know,
Speaker 2: so if you might also see if someone's Greek Orthodox
Speaker 2: or someone is you know, Roman Catholic, you might see
Speaker 2: a snake with the crown, and that meant just somebody
Speaker 2: who was healed by Christ or someone who perhaps was
Speaker 2: a very holy person and they gave that they kind
Speaker 2: of lived that lifestyle and affected others in a positive way.
Speaker 3: You know, something that's making me think about And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it's necessarily this because this is like taking
Speaker 3: into possibly conspiratorial or it could be true. I think
Speaker 3: it was recently somebody on my show or is in
Speaker 3: the chat, was talking about I think it was on
Speaker 3: the show, like eagle and snake symbolism and how it's
Speaker 3: kind of like two different bloodlines sometimes of a family.
Speaker 3: So I'm wondering, like if there is actually snake symbolism
Speaker 3: on the stuff where that somehow go along with that,
Speaker 3: if that whole idea is even true.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, a lot of you know, people look
Speaker 2: at the snake as being part of the underworld or actually,
Speaker 2: in truth be told in the Bible, a lot of
Speaker 2: people look at snakes as being the devil, because the
Speaker 2: devil took on a form that could enter the garden
Speaker 2: of Eden and tempt Eve to eat the apple. It
Speaker 2: was the snake that told her to eat the apple. Therefore,
Speaker 2: the snake was the devil, enticing her to commit sin.
Speaker 2: And a lot of texts in the Bible will look
Speaker 2: at the snake in a very negative way, but certain
Speaker 2: areas of Christianity don't. And it's just interesting. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, for me personally, I like snakes. I think
Speaker 2: snakes are pretty interesting. I think they're really cool looking.
Speaker 2: I have a friend that has the snake. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's everybody feels the way they feel about it. That's,
Speaker 2: you know, their own supposed.
Speaker 1: In Latin America, they were revered, I pre pre Columbate,
Speaker 1: pre Columbus or whatever. But most of the indigenous religions
Speaker 1: or belief systems revered. They believe that that was it
Speaker 1: meant life, it meant you know, connection to you know,
Speaker 1: all of the dimensions or whatever, and so I've heard,
Speaker 1: and this wasn't on the show that you said, Nick,
Speaker 1: but I had heard, but in relation to the eagle,
Speaker 1: that the symbolism of the egle and the snake was
Speaker 1: Christianity conquering the Indigenous because Christianity was the eagle or
Speaker 1: the kind of the eagle, and then the serpent was
Speaker 1: the feathered serpent of the belief system of the Indigenous.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's just things that you hear, right.
Speaker 2: And I didn't. I've never heard that, but I could
Speaker 2: see it making sense.
Speaker 3: What about any other things that like you've come across
Speaker 3: that you've noticed, like common common?
Speaker 2: So I think one of the most common that I
Speaker 2: see a lot of which I absolutely love and I
Speaker 2: seek them out. I think they're really beautiful, is the
Speaker 2: weeping willow. So in a lot of Victorian properties, you're
Speaker 2: going to see the weeping willow, which is a tree
Speaker 2: that if you can picture, it has a very large
Speaker 2: trunk and it has just these beautiful kind of hanging
Speaker 2: branches that sway in the wind. You see them a
Speaker 2: lot in the South. Now, the weeping willow is an
Speaker 2: interesting symbolism. So the willow tree that is a tree
Speaker 2: that represents eternal life. But the weeping willow really took
Speaker 2: on a symbolism of its own during the Victorian times
Speaker 2: because women would wear veils, right, So if someone in
Speaker 2: your family, let's say your husband passed away, you would
Speaker 2: be expected to wear a veil in mourning. And these
Speaker 2: women were required to wear that veil in public for
Speaker 2: a very long period of time, and they wanted to
Speaker 2: be seen around town as someone who was in mourning.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people can kind of compared the
Speaker 2: likeness of the veil of the woman in mourning to
Speaker 2: that of the weeping willows branches. And another kind of
Speaker 2: symbolism too, is during funerals. Of course, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're exhibiting signs of mourning, you might be crying, and
Speaker 2: if you see the tears, you know, streaming down someone's face,
Speaker 2: it might look similar to the branches of a willow
Speaker 2: and all the tiny little leaves that kind of hang
Speaker 2: from them. So it just became kind of really a
Speaker 2: very popular motif to see on a headstone. And you
Speaker 2: also see them in some cases, and I have seen
Speaker 2: them a lot in the South on cemetery gates. You'll
Speaker 2: also see them on whether it's a cemetery gate for
Speaker 2: the whole property, or a gate around a plot. It's
Speaker 2: a very common image that you might find.
Speaker 3: I have the lookout for that.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: One never really noticed the leaping role. Interesting, all right,
Speaker 3: So what about someone? Now, I guess maybe some of
Speaker 3: your experiences. Did you do anything recently did you have
Speaker 3: fun with?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So recently I went with my paranormal team. We
Speaker 2: met up with another paranormal team. So my team is
Speaker 2: called Afterlife All Stars, and we're in the Fort Lauderdale,
Speaker 2: Miami area in South Florida, and we met up with
Speaker 2: another team from up north known as Panormal five to
Speaker 2: four and we joined those guys for an investigation of
Speaker 2: the Old Hamilton Jail. And the Old Hamilton Jail is
Speaker 2: in North Florida. It's basically on the Florida Georgia line
Speaker 2: and it is just this really interesting old jail and
Speaker 2: we had just an incredible investigation. It was a really
Speaker 2: interesting night. As we got there, it started raining and
Speaker 2: it just rained and rained and rained, and this old
Speaker 2: jail just got flooded. And we continued to investigate and
Speaker 2: we were kind of like dealing with all of this,
Speaker 2: but we had a really great time, and you mentioned
Speaker 2: earlier off before we went on air about the SLS camera,
Speaker 2: and the SLS camera is a favorite of mine. It
Speaker 2: is a camera that basically you see it a lot
Speaker 2: on the ghost hunting shows, and it's that camera if
Speaker 2: you picture it. It's on a tablet and it's attached
Speaker 2: to a little mechanism very similar to what you see
Speaker 2: on an Xbox. And what it's doing is it's mapping movement.
Speaker 2: So if you were, let's say, playing Xbox and you
Speaker 2: were doing like a tennis game and you were pretending
Speaker 2: to hit the tennis racket to get the ball, it's
Speaker 2: mapping your movement so that it can bring that movement
Speaker 2: into the game. So what they noticed when they were
Speaker 2: using this technology that it might map things in the
Speaker 2: room that aren't supposed to be there, movement in the room,
Speaker 2: figures in the room that aren't necessarily in the room.
Speaker 2: So ghost hunters took this on a tablet and they
Speaker 2: started using it out investigations. I don't know who was
Speaker 2: the first to use it. I remember seeing it on
Speaker 2: shows like Ghost Adventures. But basically now you can get
Speaker 2: it at a lot of different ghost hunting stores and
Speaker 2: you can have this tablet and you can use it,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter if it's a pitch dark room.
Speaker 2: You can use it low light. And sometimes it picks
Speaker 2: up figures, so you'll see a full stick and dot
Speaker 2: figure on your camera, and in some cases like mine
Speaker 2: at the jail, you can interact with it. And that's
Speaker 2: where it gets interesting because if you start interacting with
Speaker 2: this stick figure, then it kind of feels more tangible
Speaker 2: as something that could be paranormal. So in our case,
Speaker 2: we were kind of checking out the upstairs area where
Speaker 2: they had all the jail cells, and one of my
Speaker 2: investigators was inside the jail cell next to a bed,
Speaker 2: a bunk bed, and a little figure appeared on the camera.
Speaker 2: It appeared like it was crouched inside the bunk. So
Speaker 2: she reaches her hand out as if to touch it,
Speaker 2: and you see this thing just kind of punching and kicking.
Speaker 2: It really didn't want her anywhere near it, and then
Speaker 2: when she backed away, it backed away, and it was
Speaker 2: just such an interesting interaction and it went on for
Speaker 2: over a minute until all of a sudden it just disappeared.
Speaker 2: Now you might say that that's okay, maybe that's paranormal, Gina,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it is maybe it isn't. But
Speaker 2: in addition to my SOLS camera, there was another investigator
Speaker 2: with me on another SOLS camera and he picked it
Speaker 2: up too, So we had two different cameras picking up
Speaker 2: this figure in a dark jail cell. And it was
Speaker 2: just it was really incredible. It really was.
Speaker 3: And so you need to have that, yeah, to like,
Speaker 3: like want to verify the other one that is interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool. It was really fun.
Speaker 3: Even if it's like I would say, at least it
Speaker 3: calibrated the same.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: The thing is what it does is if you've ever
Speaker 2: if you have you used one of these before, are
Speaker 2: you familiar with them? They mapped the whole room, so
Speaker 2: you're gonna see little blips of like, let's say, if
Speaker 2: you put it in your living room, you'll see a
Speaker 2: little blip around the couch, You'll see a little blip
Speaker 2: on the chairs. But if you see a full stick
Speaker 2: figure moving around, that's not normal. And then sometimes if
Speaker 2: you get close to it, it might disappear. Maybe that's nothing.
Speaker 2: But if you start interacting with it and you say
Speaker 2: something like okay, raise your right arm, and it raises
Speaker 2: its right arm, Okay, come over and give me a
Speaker 2: high five and you get a high five. You know
Speaker 2: that's normally. Oh yeah, we interact with it. We'll try
Speaker 2: to reach out and see if it touches us, and
Speaker 2: we'll say, okay, if you're a spirit in the room,
Speaker 2: can you can you walk closer to me and the
Speaker 2: spirit might you know, the little stick and dot figure
Speaker 2: might move closer. So if you start acting asking questions
Speaker 2: and you get these intelligent responses, whether they be you know,
Speaker 2: however on your equipment, it's it's just an interesting thing.
Speaker 2: And as far as my research goes, I think the
Speaker 2: SLS camera is worth every penny. And I've been using
Speaker 2: it a lot more recently and I just have nothing
Speaker 2: but nice things to say about it. I think it's
Speaker 2: really cool and if you get a chance to try
Speaker 2: one in a haunted location, it might really open your
Speaker 2: eyes to what's there.
Speaker 5: That is fascinating.
Speaker 3: No, I do find them very interesting. Yeah. The only
Speaker 3: thing that I think there's a reason Whiting. There's a
Speaker 3: couple of reasons Whiting get it put. Do they make
Speaker 3: them yet to where they actually will record?
Speaker 2: You can?
Speaker 3: But the problem is when it shuts off, it doesn't
Speaker 3: stay right.
Speaker 2: Well, what it is is it really eats the battery
Speaker 2: of the tablet, So we usually just record the screen
Speaker 2: and and that is, as far as I understand, pretty
Speaker 2: much a problem across all brands. It's just it's just
Speaker 2: something with the software and it just really eats through
Speaker 2: the battery on the tablet, and if you record, it
Speaker 2: goes even faster. So we tend to just record on
Speaker 2: another device.
Speaker 3: All right, I think I was told a different reason why,
Speaker 3: But I get that that makes sense. Yeah, can take
Speaker 3: up a lot of a lot of battery.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, would you get any other experiences at that same
Speaker 3: place besides that?
Speaker 2: So I had an interesting experience in the solitary confinement.
Speaker 2: And so what happened was we had, you know, a
Speaker 2: bunch of investigators and they were in the main jail area.
Speaker 2: So we were kind of we kind of took over
Speaker 2: the kitchen space as our kind of like centers. We
Speaker 2: had our equipment, you know, there was some you know,
Speaker 2: camera set up and other things, and the solitary was
Speaker 2: in another building. So what I did was I brought
Speaker 2: my recorder, I went into solitary and I just stood there.
Speaker 2: I didn't ask any questions, I didn't move, I just
Speaker 2: stood still. And when I tell you, the only sound
Speaker 2: that you can hear was just the rain falling outside.
Speaker 2: There was no nothing. When you're in the middle of
Speaker 2: nowhere in Jasper, it's just, you know, rural. And so
Speaker 2: I was in there for I would say about maybe
Speaker 2: ten fifteen minutes. And now I am very honest on
Speaker 2: my investigations. I don't get scared very easily. I do not.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm one of those people. I freeze. I don't run,
Speaker 2: I freeze. So in this situation, my heart was beating
Speaker 2: out of my chest. I'm just I just felt like
Speaker 2: there was something negative around me. I kept looking over
Speaker 2: my shoulder because I kept feeling like there was something
Speaker 2: in the room. And as soon as my time was up,
Speaker 2: I bolted right. So I bring my reporter back to
Speaker 2: our nerve center and we listened to it and there
Speaker 2: was just some very inaudible growling sounds going on and
Speaker 2: kind of like grunting. And this was, as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: otherwise silent other than rain drops outside. So it was
Speaker 2: it was a very controlled space, no extra noise, nobody
Speaker 2: else in the room, and it certainly wasn't me, and
Speaker 2: that truly kind of freaked me out because I knew
Speaker 2: that there was no sounds in there, but I was
Speaker 2: feeling I felt as if my body the antenna was
Speaker 2: noticing like a pulse in the air, as if I
Speaker 2: wasn't alone, and that intuition that somebody's behind you. I
Speaker 2: kept getting it, So that was pretty interesting. And then
Speaker 2: the last thing that we did that was really wild
Speaker 2: was before we ended the night, because you know, the
Speaker 2: rain was just getting bad. It was really flooding in
Speaker 2: this jail. But before we left, we did what's known
Speaker 2: as an STA session, and in an s TO session,
Speaker 2: an investigator wears noise canceling headphones a blindfold. You can't
Speaker 2: see anybody in the room. This is essentially sensory.
Speaker 3: Deprivation, just like the God mask, but like a different
Speaker 3: version of it. It's like the God helmet. I think
Speaker 3: they call it the God helmet. I've seen other people
Speaker 3: do where it's like you basically like cunting, like cutting
Speaker 3: off all of your senses.
Speaker 2: So there's another experiment called the Gansfeld experiment. Maybe you
Speaker 2: might be thinking, that's what the what the what the
Speaker 2: red lights?
Speaker 3: Did you see?
Speaker 2: Hellia, No, I haven't.
Speaker 3: It was the thing they use it in that. I
Speaker 3: think maybe ghost of Benches might have used the ones.
Speaker 2: I think they do, but a lot of investigators, it's
Speaker 2: very popular, use the estest method, which is you have
Speaker 2: headphones on the headphones that are going to be plugged
Speaker 2: into a spirit box. You can't hear anything but the
Speaker 2: spirit box, and you're wearing a blindfold. The idea is,
Speaker 2: you speak if you're in this, if you're the one
Speaker 2: in the in the test subject, you speak what you
Speaker 2: hear through the spirit box. Right. Everyone else in the
Speaker 2: room quietly asks questions, and essentially the spirits speak through
Speaker 2: the spirit box through you. So in this situation, I'm
Speaker 2: in the jail cell. I'm in the same jail cell,
Speaker 2: by the way, as I was earlier talking about or
Speaker 2: we caught a figure kind of kicking and punching. I'm
Speaker 2: sitting on that bed. I'm sitting with another investigator to
Speaker 2: my side, and they were asking questions. I can't hear them.
Speaker 2: I'm just speaking what I hear through the spearitbox. But
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what freaked me out and what made
Speaker 2: me end that session was through the white noise of
Speaker 2: this spirit box. Okay, I heard my maiden name. Now,
Speaker 2: my maiden name is a name. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say it, but it is very Italian and it's very uncommon.
Speaker 2: I've only I mean, in my lifetime, I maybe had
Speaker 2: two or three people say it correctly without me having
Speaker 2: to explain the pronunciation. And I heard my name clear
Speaker 2: as day spoken through the spirit box. And when I
Speaker 2: heard that, I took off the headphones and I said, sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: but I'm done because that was too much for me.
Speaker 2: And I've never experienced anything like that in my life.
Speaker 2: Oh my, it was very freaky. It was very, very,
Speaker 2: very freaky, and I used a lot of stage before
Speaker 2: I left that out properly. Outside of that, I was
Speaker 2: just outside, just with the sage, just you know, dancing
Speaker 2: in the smoke, because I did not want to bring
Speaker 2: any of that home with me.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think the rain may have
Speaker 1: enhanced some of the ability to pick up on spirit?
Speaker 1: Can you how they say that water is a condo,
Speaker 1: is a good element or a good conduit.
Speaker 2: I think that absolutely it can be. And you're right,
Speaker 2: that is a common theory that water energizes spirit energy,
Speaker 2: and that's why a lot of times you hear of
Speaker 2: hauntings around bodies of water, and it's just something to
Speaker 2: do with the energy of the water kind of playing
Speaker 2: off the energy of the spirits and somehow maybe one
Speaker 2: energizes the other. Who knows, but I have heard that
Speaker 2: and absolutely it could have been the case. But it
Speaker 2: was just, you know, it was a very very strange night.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that we were talking with our
Speaker 2: friends that we were investigating with at ptern normal five
Speaker 2: to four is I guess normally a lot of guys investigate,
Speaker 2: but where my team is mostly women, and the people
Speaker 2: that were on this trip were all female, so we
Speaker 2: are not sure if maybe having a bunch of females
Speaker 2: in a prison might have had something to do with
Speaker 2: the actual aggressive activity. So maybe that had something to
Speaker 2: do with it too. I don't know, but it was.
Speaker 2: It was pretty wild.
Speaker 5: I'm just very fascinating.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And when you get when you talk about white noise,
Speaker 1: do you know what frequency it's at?
Speaker 2: So what I do? There's different ways that you can
Speaker 2: set a I don't know the exact frequency, but on
Speaker 2: a spirit box you can adjust either FM or AM,
Speaker 2: and you can adjust how fast the switching of channels is,
Speaker 2: so you can adjust forward or backward. So I usually
Speaker 2: do FM forward in a slower space something like between
Speaker 2: like one hundred and one fifty and sometimes I do
Speaker 2: am backward and I'll do that maybe around two hundred.
Speaker 2: But I know what you're saying, and there's some there
Speaker 2: are certainly some theories that say that certain frequencies are
Speaker 2: better for spirits to speak through. And actually one of
Speaker 2: my my the co founder of my paranormal team, his
Speaker 2: name is Tim Arnline. He's actually an investigator that's very
Speaker 2: interested in frequencies and he's been doing a lot of
Speaker 2: research on the side to experiment with different frequencies and
Speaker 2: how maybe some are amplified spirit activity over others. So
Speaker 2: currently we're kind of work shopping some experiments where we
Speaker 2: can test to see certain frequencies and how they might
Speaker 2: affect paranormal activity. But we really don't have it's just we,
Speaker 2: you know, we just started doing the experiments, so we
Speaker 2: don't really have too much to report as of right now.
Speaker 2: But it's very cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. I think I think he's
Speaker 1: onto something. Y'all are onto something with the frequency as well.
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely key. It's almost like a better
Speaker 1: like we talked about water being a good medium. I
Speaker 1: think different frequencies have different better conductivity, like somebody sense.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent one hundred percent, and that's the thing
Speaker 2: we might not be able to tap fully into the
Speaker 2: spirit world because we're not on the same frequency. And
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of research to kind of
Speaker 2: look into what frequencies mean, how they're traveling through time,
Speaker 2: you know, and there it's just an untapped realm really,
Speaker 2: and we don't know the answers yet, which makes it
Speaker 2: so exciting. And I'm definitely just really excited to be
Speaker 2: part of a team where we have so many interesting
Speaker 2: minds working together to try new experiments, because you know,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we're trying to do
Speaker 2: research to find answers to prove the paranormal and it's
Speaker 2: just it's a really interesting field to be a part of.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, It's kind of like we talked about in
Speaker 1: the I series that when you look at the entire
Speaker 1: electromagnetic spectrum given off by the Sun, we only see
Speaker 1: point zero zero three percent of the entire spectrum. And
Speaker 1: so I wonder if that is even the case with audible,
Speaker 1: you know, hearing, like do we only hear a certain
Speaker 1: amount for the entire range that exists, or even perception
Speaker 1: like what we feel right, like in person, like how
Speaker 1: we feel like you said, you've felt somebody staring at
Speaker 1: you from behind or whatever like that. I mean, does
Speaker 1: that also have a range that we only feel a
Speaker 1: certain percentage of the entire range? So that's like with
Speaker 1: these frequencies, I mean you literally could be like, you know,
Speaker 1: not tapping into the full the full capacity of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very, very fascinating.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's what I find fascinating is we
Speaker 2: have so many people and I'm sure there are plenty
Speaker 2: of the legit people out there that claim to be
Speaker 2: you know, psychic or clairvoand all, you know, different sensitivities.
Speaker 2: And I do believe that many people are I think
Speaker 2: there are a lot of frauds, but I think that
Speaker 2: there are many people that naturally have a gift. And
Speaker 2: you hear it a lot. You know, certain psychics will
Speaker 2: be able to find people in the woods, or they'll
Speaker 2: be able to find a missing child or you know,
Speaker 2: recover a body. There's all kinds of interesting information that
Speaker 2: we're getting from these these psychics. And where are they
Speaker 2: getting their information from? Now? The thing is, you know,
Speaker 2: they say we use less than ten percent of our brains,
Speaker 2: so somehow these people are able to tap into a
Speaker 2: part of their brain that we probably have potential to use,
Speaker 2: but we can't, for whatever reason, access it. Now, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying in any way that I am sensitive. I
Speaker 2: don't believe that I am. However, by putting myself in
Speaker 2: these situations by having to listen, by going into a
Speaker 2: location and sitting quietly for hours waiting for a response
Speaker 2: on a spirit box or a recorder, I now am
Speaker 2: putting myself in a position in these places where I
Speaker 2: am listening, I am stopping what I'm doing. I have
Speaker 2: slowed the room down, and I am reading the room.
Speaker 2: So you become more in tune with yourself, and you
Speaker 2: come in more in tune with your environment. Now, on
Speaker 2: a regular day, we're going to be hearing all sorts
Speaker 2: of stimula. We're going to hear cars, running, cars, beeping,
Speaker 2: people talking, kids laughing, dogs barking, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But at night, when you're alone or you're in a
Speaker 2: small group and everyone's silent, you start to pick up
Speaker 2: on more things that you normally might not pick up on.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's interesting because you I think
Speaker 2: that I've become more in tune with that Over the years,
Speaker 2: and I think it's always been there and I think
Speaker 2: it's possible for anyone to pick up on that, but
Speaker 2: you just have to kind of put yourself in the
Speaker 2: headspace and that could be that could be the case
Speaker 2: with these people that have these gifts, these these psychic
Speaker 2: abilities to hear things or see things or get messages.
Speaker 2: And maybe it has something to do with frequencies. Maybe
Speaker 2: the people like you were mentioning earlier that have schizophrenia,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe there's some of those voices are not actually,
Speaker 2: you know, in their brain being made up. Maybe they're
Speaker 2: tuning in to some other etherol realm. Who knows, But
Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting thing to research. And I
Speaker 2: think that the more we research and the more we
Speaker 2: we listen, and the more we kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: have an open mind, maybe there'll be more answers eventually.
Speaker 2: And I just I just find that to be so fascinating.
Speaker 1: Too. I think you're right, you're training yourself. It's like
Speaker 1: somebody going through the process of learning what it sounds like,
Speaker 1: what it feels like, and whatever. And then the more
Speaker 1: time you spend with it, the more fine tune you're
Speaker 1: getting in the picking it up. That's very fascinating the
Speaker 1: way you look at it, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like one thing a lot of people say,
Speaker 2: and I've noticed this because we run investigations publicly. You know,
Speaker 2: we have people come to our local museum and we
Speaker 2: do fundraisers for the museum. We you know, host investigations,
Speaker 2: and one of the most common things that people will
Speaker 2: say when they are on an investigation is, oh, it
Speaker 2: feels heavy in here. Oh, I feel you know, this
Speaker 2: room feels a little different than that room. You're picking
Speaker 2: up on something in the air that you can't see.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying all the time, but a lot
Speaker 2: of the times they feel that way in certain areas
Speaker 2: that are hotspots, and that person's never been to that location.
Speaker 2: So how did they walk into that room and say
Speaker 2: to me, I feel heavy in this room. This room
Speaker 2: has a heaviness to it without me telling them anything
Speaker 2: about it. So it's it's just an interesting thing that
Speaker 2: I think some people are more in tune with, and
Speaker 2: I think it's a possibility for everybody to really turn
Speaker 2: on if they're willing to.
Speaker 3: One thing I did want to ask because it's making
Speaker 3: me think about the the other mask that I've seen. Basically,
Speaker 3: like they kind of blindfold themselves and then they play
Speaker 3: I think white noise, and then if they start hearing things,
Speaker 3: they kind of like repeated or whatever, or people ask
Speaker 3: them questions and if they happen there's something they think
Speaker 3: they're hearing something, they'll repeat it. Because of the white
Speaker 3: noise and from other things I seen in the past,
Speaker 3: like the Gateway Project that is a you know, it
Speaker 3: was like a series of tapes that was made that
Speaker 3: supposedly helped people have out of by the experiences. You know,
Speaker 3: I guess it was interesting enough for the government to
Speaker 3: put people into into the place to try the stuff
Speaker 3: out and see what happens, and you know a lot
Speaker 3: of it, the white noise and all that stuff. The
Speaker 3: way it works is that it starts like Homi sinking
Speaker 3: your brain, and I'll put you into like kind of
Speaker 3: like me, possibly a different state to start doing other things.
Speaker 3: Long story short, the reason why I'm getting into all
Speaker 3: this stuff is that I do believe in a sense
Speaker 3: this is just me. I think sometimes with paranormal activity
Speaker 3: it can be actually done by your person and it's
Speaker 3: maybe not actually a haunting. But now what I'm getting
Speaker 3: at is like if that's possible, if you're using these
Speaker 3: toys when you're trying to do a paranoral you know,
Speaker 3: trying to look for paranormal activity. Could you be producing
Speaker 3: it yourself.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. And there's actually an experiment I
Speaker 2: believe that came out of Canada and in the I
Speaker 2: think it's called the Philip experiment. And the idea was
Speaker 2: that they were they created an entity and they gave
Speaker 2: it a name, and they all started asking questions and experimenting,
Speaker 2: and all these investigators kind of came together under the
Speaker 2: idea that they were speaking to an entity called Philip,
Speaker 2: and you know, all of these things started happening and
Speaker 2: there was never a ghost. It was all made up.
Speaker 2: And certainly there is something to be said with if
Speaker 2: you put your mind to something, maybe your mind, can
Speaker 2: you know the power of suggestion? I absolutely believe in that.
Speaker 2: I think that that is absolutely something that could exist
Speaker 2: in something that could happen. But the thing is, when
Speaker 2: you're on an investigation, you're there's going to be things
Speaker 2: that happen. There might be like you mentioned earlier, when
Speaker 2: you had your EMF reader and you were getting readings,
Speaker 2: you know that could be paranormal. It might not be paranormal,
Speaker 2: but it was when things start happening in a succession.
Speaker 2: So now your EMF reader goes off, there's no electronic devices.
Speaker 2: Everyone has their cell phones on airplane mode. And then
Speaker 2: you get a spike on on your rempod, which is
Speaker 2: measuring the readings in the room. You're getting a spike
Speaker 2: on that. Then you see your spirit box start saying
Speaker 2: intelligent responses. Now, someone in the chat earlier asked about
Speaker 2: spirit boxes, and a lot of times they're just spinning
Speaker 2: out nonsense. They are ninety percent of the time it's nonsense.
Speaker 2: But when you start getting intelligent words coming through or phrases,
Speaker 2: and you're getting these other things happening as well, perhaps
Speaker 2: if you look at it in that sense, you're experiencing
Speaker 2: a multifaceted experience. You know, I don't want to just
Speaker 2: see an EMF reader go off and say, oh, it's
Speaker 2: a ghost. But if the em reader, you have, EMF,
Speaker 2: the rampod, my recorder, the spear box are all happening
Speaker 2: in tandem, maybe there's something there, and that's when my
Speaker 2: interest will be piqued to continue to ask questions in
Speaker 2: that moment and maybe ask the right questions, maybe ask
Speaker 2: a few a series of questions that is more concentrated
Speaker 2: in that space. So I found that when you start
Speaker 2: collecting all of those things together that the experience becomes
Speaker 2: more tangible for me. So I do think that in
Speaker 2: certain cases, it's absolutely possible for an investigator to maybe
Speaker 2: read something the wrong way. There might be a false positive.
Speaker 2: It's something you really want. So when you get something,
Speaker 2: you think that's what it is, but it's you know,
Speaker 2: you have to keep an open mind, and you do
Speaker 2: have to keep some healthy skepticism about you. But sometimes
Speaker 2: not all the time you will have that perfect moment
Speaker 2: where everything starts coming together. Now, I would say on average,
Speaker 2: because I only post those thirty seconds. If I'm on
Speaker 2: my Instagram and i want to show you my investigation
Speaker 2: of the jail, I'm just going to post that one
Speaker 2: minute video. I'm just going to post the thirty seconds
Speaker 2: that I caught on the recorder. But what you don't
Speaker 2: see is the eight hours that I spent there and
Speaker 2: nothing was happening. And that's what happens on these investigations.
Speaker 2: That that's the reality. And you know, there are certain
Speaker 2: shows that were canceled because they're honest and they show
Speaker 2: it's not all blinking lights. It's not all ghosts coming
Speaker 2: out of the woodwork and running after you. It's mostly
Speaker 2: silent and once in a while you get a little
Speaker 2: blip of activity. But when all of those things are
Speaker 2: considered together and there's some intelligence involved, that's when it's
Speaker 2: really interesting. Sorry, it was maybe a really round about
Speaker 2: answer to that, but.
Speaker 3: That's good. Uh, all right, Yeah, I was just I
Speaker 3: just wanted to know about that because I I don't know,
Speaker 3: I've some of the reasons why I even got the
Speaker 3: paranormal equipment is because at one point, I do think
Speaker 3: it could be possible to show like somebody like having
Speaker 3: magical experiences with that stuff. So I do just wonder like,
Speaker 3: if you know, we could sometimes create some of the
Speaker 3: owner of it, you know who when I go into
Speaker 3: I'm sure you got another story too, another place.
Speaker 2: Absolutely story, But I mean, you know, my my favorite
Speaker 2: story I'd like to share is just a wholesome one.
Speaker 2: So I went to a couple of years ago the
Speaker 2: Currel Whaed House in Savannah, and if anybody out there
Speaker 2: is familiar with that, there's a couple of uh there's
Speaker 2: a couple of things that were filmed there. Most famously,
Speaker 2: if you've seen Forrest Gump and there's that scene where
Speaker 2: he's sitting in the park and there's a feather that's
Speaker 2: dropped from the top of a house. That was the
Speaker 2: Currel Wheat House. But when it comes to the spooky
Speaker 2: legends of that place, it was covered on a bunch
Speaker 2: of TV shows. I know it was on Ghost Adventures
Speaker 2: and Ghost Hunters. But the long story short of it,
Speaker 2: it was a really creepy home and it started out
Speaker 2: as a war barracks and then they built a mansion
Speaker 2: on top of old war barracks and the family that
Speaker 2: landed up there was the Surrell family, and the man
Speaker 2: in the house was having a affair, probably not you know,
Speaker 2: something that the woman who he was having an affair with wanted.
Speaker 2: It was a woman that was enslaved, and so he was,
Speaker 2: you know, messing around with her, and his wife taught them.
Speaker 2: His wife walked up to the top of the roof,
Speaker 2: the very roof where they dropped that feather from, you know,
Speaker 2: the Forest Gump scene, and she took her life. The
Speaker 2: very next day, the woman, the enslaved woman who the
Speaker 2: husband was having an affair with, probably against her will,
Speaker 2: was found hanging in her quarters. So it is very dark.
Speaker 2: It's a very dark property. People goestun there all the time.
Speaker 2: The place actually hosts paranormal investigations which I took took
Speaker 2: part of, and so basically they let you, you know,
Speaker 2: you investigate in various areas of the house. And my
Speaker 2: husband and I were with another couple and we went
Speaker 2: around the entire property. No activity, nothing. We were in
Speaker 2: the basement where there were supposedly medical experiments done, you
Speaker 2: know by the father. No activity upstairs in the parlor,
Speaker 2: nothing nothing. We go up to the carriage house, which
Speaker 2: was the living quarters for the enslaved people, and this
Speaker 2: was our last stop of the night. And the caretaker,
Speaker 2: the woman who was you know, hosting the event, she
Speaker 2: as she was bringing us up there, she said, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: you know, this space is not a dark one. Even
Speaker 2: though some people died here, this space was their happiest space.
Speaker 2: This was when they had a long day at work
Speaker 2: and they you know, had a rough time. They would
Speaker 2: come back to their living quarters and they would sing,
Speaker 2: they would make dinner, they would have a nice time
Speaker 2: with one another. So please, you know, keep it light
Speaker 2: in here, right, she said, just keep it light. So
Speaker 2: you know, I thought it might be a fun idea
Speaker 2: since you know, she had mentioned that they liked to
Speaker 2: sing and they like to, you know, do music up there.
Speaker 2: My husband's a musician, so I said, hey, maybe would
Speaker 2: you like to sing something? Maybe they might like it,
Speaker 2: Maybe it might you know, be a trigger to get
Speaker 2: some conversation. So my husband, of course, I put him
Speaker 2: on the spot and recording him and I have a
Speaker 2: spirit box and I asked him, I said, you don't
Speaker 2: why don't you sing? Because it's always my request, Why
Speaker 2: don't you sing blue Swede shoes? Right, it's my favorite
Speaker 2: song in these things. So he sang blue Swede Shoes
Speaker 2: and almost immediately you hear a female voice come through
Speaker 2: the spirit box, and it sweeped over several stations. It
Speaker 2: was just as if somebody was singing along with him.
Speaker 2: And then there was a gruff old man that kind
Speaker 2: of came through and it says, I don't trust him.
Speaker 2: And then in a younger spirit maybe a young kid,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it was boy or girl said
Speaker 2: he's okay, and then we heard the humming again. Now,
Speaker 2: for me, this was such a cool experience because we
Speaker 2: were doing something that kind of brought maybe these spirits together.
Speaker 2: Maybe they enjoyed singing in their lifetime and that was
Speaker 2: something that you know, is a good part of their day,
Speaker 2: and we interacted with them in that sense. Now I've
Speaker 2: never had that ever happen again on any other investigation,
Speaker 2: but it was a really profound moment, and I think
Speaker 2: that we did interact with the people that formerly lived there,
Speaker 2: and I do think that there are some spirits still
Speaker 2: hanging around. So it was really nice.
Speaker 3: Nice. Is that Is that your favorite one overall?
Speaker 2: I don't have a favorite. I really it's hard, but
Speaker 2: I just I love that location just because you know,
Speaker 2: it's it wasn't a scary interaction. You know, I've been
Speaker 2: I've had all kinds of scary interactions, but that one
Speaker 2: was sweet. It was kind of pleasant, you know, and
Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting that we caught it
Speaker 2: all and you know, it wasn't a negative thing at all.
Speaker 2: But I've had some really scary moments on investigations.
Speaker 3: But I was going to ask you about that if
Speaker 3: you want to go into maybe one of those, like
Speaker 3: what was the most scariest one of them?
Speaker 2: So one of the scariest was I had I had
Speaker 2: something follow me home once that was pretty scary.
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask if you had ever
Speaker 1: had anything follow you home, but I was like, no,
Speaker 1: don't ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not yet.
Speaker 3: And the next week one does you'd feel so bad?
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I was like, I like spoke it, but
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I think that when it happened to me,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a negative thing. I think it was just accidental.
Speaker 2: I don't think the person meant to do it. I
Speaker 2: think they just didn't know where they were. But basically,
Speaker 2: long story short, I was investigating a property that I
Speaker 2: always investigate that I've been maybe a hundred times, and
Speaker 2: there was a new exhibit on display in the museum.
Speaker 2: And this exhibit was for the local railroad, so there
Speaker 2: was all kinds of artifacts and information that was on display.
Speaker 2: And when my team went in there, we were doing
Speaker 2: some investigating, I started feeling a vibration on my stomach. Now,
Speaker 2: the best way I could describe it is if you
Speaker 2: had your phone kind of tucked in your jeens and
Speaker 2: it was vibrating a little bit. It kind of felt
Speaker 2: like that, and I thought at first that my phone
Speaker 2: was in my waistband, but it wasn't, so I thought Oh,
Speaker 2: it's such a little strange, you know. And then I
Speaker 2: would say, maybe twenty minutes later, one of the other
Speaker 2: investigators was saying, oh, that's weird. I felt like I
Speaker 2: had a vibrating on my arm, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I just I felt that on my stomach.
Speaker 2: Just now, that's kind of interesting, you know. And we
Speaker 2: both picked up on that, and for that whole night,
Speaker 2: we kind of felt like we were getting a lot
Speaker 2: of interactions from a male voice. There was male voices
Speaker 2: coming through our portal device, there was male voices coming
Speaker 2: through the spirit box. There was a male voice caught
Speaker 2: on the recorder, and it was just uncharacteristic for that location.
Speaker 2: But I digress. Now. At the end of the night,
Speaker 2: I left, I went home, and my husband and I
Speaker 2: went to bed. At some point in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night, I had a dream and in my dream,
Speaker 2: I woke up in my room and I felt like
Speaker 2: there was someone in the room. And it was very vivid,
Speaker 2: you know, a very lucid dream. And I'm looking around
Speaker 2: the room and I'm going, there's someone here, there's someone here.
Speaker 2: I look over at my husband, he's sleeping. I get
Speaker 2: out of the bed and I look right on the
Speaker 2: floor next to my husband's side of the bed, and
Speaker 2: I see a man crouch down, like he's on all
Speaker 2: fours and he's crouched. He's looking up at me. He's
Speaker 2: got a bald head, I would say, like late forties,
Speaker 2: early fifties. He was covered in sweat, and his clothing
Speaker 2: looked like as if somebody worked on the railroad, possibly
Speaker 2: white or light colored clothing, but covered in dirt. And
Speaker 2: he was sweating, and he just looked really freaked out.
Speaker 2: And in this dream, I couldn't get the words out,
Speaker 2: but I wanted to say, get out, you know, but
Speaker 2: in your dream maybe sometimes you can't get those things out.
Speaker 2: And I woke up in real life. So I wake
Speaker 2: up in my bed. Of course I look over at
Speaker 2: my husband. He's sleeping, and this aroma comes over me
Speaker 2: right smell what smells like body odor? Okay, it's kind
Speaker 2: of gross. And of course I don't think it's me
Speaker 2: because I showered before bed. My husband showered before a bed.
Speaker 2: But I checked my pits. I had reached over and I,
Speaker 2: you know, checked him out to see him smell bad.
Speaker 2: It's not us. We don't keep our laundry in our bedroom. Either,
Speaker 2: so I didn't think that was the source of it.
Speaker 2: But almost as immediately as I smelled it, it was gone.
Speaker 2: Now I have to get up and investigate, because now
Speaker 2: my heart's beating like crazy. I have this sense that
Speaker 2: there's somebody in my house. I'm freaking out. I searched
Speaker 2: my whole house. I don't find any reason for it,
Speaker 2: and I can't find any source of the smell. But
Speaker 2: I had smelled body odor and then it was gone.
Speaker 2: And in some cases with paranormal stuff, you might catch
Speaker 2: what they call phantom smells or phantom fragrances, and it
Speaker 2: would match up with the dream that I just had,
Speaker 2: you know, because I saw a man and he was
Speaker 2: profusely sweating and he looked dirty. So I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: But the next day, you know, in the morning, when
Speaker 2: we're up and you know, everything was cool, I did
Speaker 2: stage my whole house and I opened every window and door,
Speaker 2: and I, you know, basically said, hey, sorry if I
Speaker 2: took you home, but I don't want to keep you here.
Speaker 2: And I've never had a problem since. But it was
Speaker 2: really freaky, and I don't know if it was just
Speaker 2: a dream. It seemed really odd to just be a dream.
Speaker 2: With that strange smell that was there one second and
Speaker 2: gone the next. So I don't know, but it certainly
Speaker 2: freaked me out.
Speaker 1: Gina. Have you I mean it sounds like you do
Speaker 1: mainly like houses, you know, like actual establishments. Do you
Speaker 1: ever do objects?
Speaker 2: I have? I have. I have done some objects. I've
Speaker 2: I started collecting all the all sorts of old things, dolls, jewelry, photos,
Speaker 2: and I have had some interesting interactions with some of them,
Speaker 2: and I got some interesting responses on my equipment when
Speaker 2: I viewed some of these these objects, and I would say,
Speaker 2: you know, objects, A lot of objects are in certain places,
Speaker 2: so that's kind of a hard one I've done. I've
Speaker 2: investigated Robert the Doll in Key West, which is in
Speaker 2: a museum.
Speaker 1: You yeah, you went down there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's a crazy story. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if people are going to like what I have to
Speaker 2: say about it, because when I talked about it on
Speaker 2: my Instagram, a lot of people went went a little crazy.
Speaker 2: But the have you heard of the story?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I went to such him. I lived in the in
Speaker 1: the Keys for a while.
Speaker 2: Oh you did, Okay, so you probably heard this. The
Speaker 2: that the museum asks people to take to ask permission
Speaker 2: before you take a photo. You've heard that they recently
Speaker 2: changed the policy. They don't want anyone to ask permission anymore.
Speaker 2: And that broke the internet because everyone wanted to come
Speaker 2: out and fight with me about it. And I was
Speaker 2: there in November and I was on the tour. I
Speaker 2: took the tour and then afterwards they give you free
Speaker 2: time to explore and investigate. And the person who is
Speaker 2: running the tour that worked for the museum said, listen.
Speaker 2: As of recently, the owner of the museum, I don't
Speaker 2: know if he consulted with someone or I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but there was talk of the fact that by asking permission,
Speaker 2: you are in a way giving permission to a spirit
Speaker 2: to do negative things. You're almost inviting it to you
Speaker 2: by asking permission, by giving it power.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much I believe in that, but
Speaker 2: that was how the owners feel, and that is why
Speaker 2: the owners changed the policy. So we were told, do
Speaker 2: not ask permission, take pictures, and be cool. By being cool,
Speaker 2: he suggested, do not be rude, do not make fun
Speaker 2: of the doll, do not rant at the doll, say
Speaker 2: anything negative to the doll. Because all this that and
Speaker 2: the other is going to happen. I was respectful. I
Speaker 2: took lots of pictures, I took lots of videos. Nothing
Speaker 2: that happened to me. But I did not ask permission,
Speaker 2: and nothing that happened to me. And everybody said, oh,
Speaker 2: your camera's gonna go crazy and all these bad things
Speaker 2: are gonna happen to you, and you know what, nothing
Speaker 2: did because I was respectful and I did with the
Speaker 2: museum asked and I did get some activity with Robert,
Speaker 2: which was cool. I didn't get a ton of activity.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it was, you know, enough
Speaker 2: to fill a YouTube video, but basically on an ovuloist
Speaker 2: device if you've ever heard of one, it's a little
Speaker 2: digital word bank, and I got something that said secret,
Speaker 2: reveal Robert. Okay, all those words came up at the
Speaker 2: same time, and I took a photo of it, so
Speaker 2: I have that evidence. And then when I was in
Speaker 2: the room with Robert, it was just my husband who
Speaker 2: was filming me and the doll, and I had a
Speaker 2: device that's called a portal, and the portal is something
Speaker 2: that works with the spirit box that simply stretches out
Speaker 2: the words a little bit longer using reverb so that
Speaker 2: you can hear it a little bit more clearly, and
Speaker 2: it cleans up some of that white noise so that
Speaker 2: it's less, you know, it's a little cleaner. So I
Speaker 2: during this time, I wasn't getting any responses, so I was,
Speaker 2: you know, getting ready to wrap up, and I say, hey, Robert,
Speaker 2: you know what, I think you're a pretty cool guy.
Speaker 2: And you hear a little giggle, you know. I said,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm getting ready to leave, but I just
Speaker 2: want to let you know, man, I think you're a
Speaker 2: cool guy. And I got what sounded like a childlike
Speaker 2: giggle through the spear box, you know, through my portal,
Speaker 2: and it was it was pretty interesting. And you know,
Speaker 2: does that mean anything? I don't know. It sounded kind
Speaker 2: of cheeky. I was being a little cheeky too, you know.
Speaker 2: I was kind of, you know, being lighthearted about it.
Speaker 2: But you know, that is one of the most famous
Speaker 2: haunted objects. And I did not feel negative at all
Speaker 2: around it. A lot of people say, oh, it's you know,
Speaker 2: you feel this negative, crazy energy around it. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I personally did not feel that. But I also went
Speaker 2: there with an open mind and I went there very
Speaker 2: much respectful I didn't say anything to taunt it. I
Speaker 2: didn't say anything to you know, push its buttons.
Speaker 1: So if if you go, if you go back, you
Speaker 1: should do. I don't know if you did this the
Speaker 1: haunted ghost tour there in Key West.
Speaker 2: I've done it earlier. Yeah before.
Speaker 1: There's so much freaky things down there. Girl, I know.
Speaker 2: And uh, it's his name, the doctor.
Speaker 1: The I was just going to bring that up her.
Speaker 1: He like preserved his wife for something and like.
Speaker 2: Girlfriends, not even she wouldn't marry him. She it was
Speaker 2: he was he was a tuberculosis doctor and she was
Speaker 2: dying of tuberculosis. But she was still married technically, but
Speaker 2: she wasn't with her husband, but she wouldn't marry him.
Speaker 2: And when she died, he took her body and preserved
Speaker 2: it for years and consummated it.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and well the thing is that when they
Speaker 6: found what is it? When they I think they found her,
Speaker 6: she hadn't did for years years.
Speaker 2: So what he had done essentially was he made her
Speaker 2: into a doll. So what he was doing was he
Speaker 2: mummified her. He put wax and other preservatives around her
Speaker 2: face and you know other areas, and he what he
Speaker 2: essentially made her into a mummy. And what he would
Speaker 2: do what was suspicious was he would always bring home
Speaker 2: flowers and he would bring home lots of perfume. So
Speaker 2: some people were getting suspicious of why is he doing
Speaker 2: this because they knew he didn't have a lady friend,
Speaker 2: you know his head to the smell. Yeah, but some
Speaker 2: people actually claim to have like towards the end when
Speaker 2: he got caught. I don't know if his children in
Speaker 2: the area or if it was neighbors, but somebody saw
Speaker 2: him dancing with the body like he was, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: dancing around his living room with this thing, and someone
Speaker 2: saw it and they reported him. And yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was dark. It's real dark. It's really really dark. But
Speaker 2: in that museum by the way, with Robert, they have
Speaker 2: the headstones. So when when after he did all this,
Speaker 2: he dug her up from her grave and took her home.
Speaker 2: So her family did not want to rebury her and
Speaker 2: with a marked grave because they were concerned that he
Speaker 2: was going to find her again, so they kind of
Speaker 2: put her all over the island supposedly, and the head markers.
Speaker 2: There's some head markers in the museum. Now, it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to look up his name. I
Speaker 1: think it was Caral something I can't remember, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was such a weird story. I remember that. And
Speaker 1: then they took us to the house where Robert the
Speaker 1: doll he lived with the boy right, and I think
Speaker 1: didn't the mom try to get rid of the doll
Speaker 1: like several times and then the doll would just show
Speaker 1: up again.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, so, oh, it's Carl Tandler by the way,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to look up the name. So with Robert,
Speaker 2: basically the mom she didn't get rid of him, and
Speaker 2: he came back, she would put him away in the attic,
Speaker 2: and it was basically the son developed a very unhealthy,
Speaker 2: unhealthy relationship with Robert, and you know, eventually somehow they
Speaker 2: got him away from the doll. But then when the
Speaker 2: parents passed away, he inherited the family home and he
Speaker 2: came back to the keys with his wife, and then
Speaker 2: he started back up with the doll. And it was
Speaker 2: a very unhealthy attachment to the doll. And you know,
Speaker 2: some people claim that they saw the doll running around.
Speaker 2: Some people claim that they saw the doll peeking out
Speaker 2: of the windows of the house. But ultimately the doll
Speaker 2: landed up in the hands of another woman who kept
Speaker 2: him for many years until finally donating him to the museum.
Speaker 2: But she claimed, this is just what the museum said,
Speaker 2: that the doll locked her in a closet once. I mean,
Speaker 2: it sounds absolutely insane, but that's what she claimed, and
Speaker 2: you know, they gave she gave the doll to the museum.
Speaker 2: And one thing I found really interesting about the doll
Speaker 2: that I didn't know because I've listened to so many
Speaker 2: podcasts and I've seen so many shows about him, and
Speaker 2: I consider myself, you know, a Robert the Doll enthusiast.
Speaker 2: But one thing I found out from the museum was
Speaker 2: Ozzy Osbourne had an attachment curse from Robert the Dall.
Speaker 2: Did you know that Ozzy Osbourne visited Robert the Dall
Speaker 2: And this is per his son. So this is Jack
Speaker 2: Osborne telling this story to the docent and apparent because
Speaker 2: Jack Osborne now has you know, had a show on
Speaker 2: you know, Portals to Health is the show about paranormal
Speaker 2: so he's into that now. But he claims, this is
Speaker 2: what he said to the docent of the museum, that
Speaker 2: Ozzie visited the doll and was taunting it, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're not. You know, you're not really haunted. It's a
Speaker 2: munch bs whatever he said. And right around that time
Speaker 2: he had some accidents his his Parkinson's really picked up.
Speaker 2: There were numerous things in his life that were kind
Speaker 2: of happening all at the same time. And he considers
Speaker 2: himself cursed from that doll. That's what he That's what
Speaker 2: he claims. So I thought that was pretty interesting because
Speaker 2: I'd never heard of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody else on the show claims that they got
Speaker 3: cursed from the doll, and I think they sent the letter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people send letters. And the guy
Speaker 2: was telling me that there were some teenagers that were
Speaker 2: recently there. I don't know how many months before I
Speaker 2: had been there, but recently, and the kids, you know,
Speaker 2: kids are being kids, and they probably said things that
Speaker 2: they shouldn't And apparently they were out the next day
Speaker 2: on their family's boat and the boat sunk and they
Speaker 2: had to be rescued by the coast guard and the
Speaker 2: parents made the kids march back to the museum and
Speaker 2: apologize to the doll. Oh gosh, yeah, that's crazy. I know,
Speaker 2: it's wild. I just I don't know, I just don't
Speaker 2: think that a doll is capable of that. But I
Speaker 2: also think that the power of if you think that
Speaker 2: that's going to happen, it's the power of suggestion. But
Speaker 2: I still do approach everything with caution just in case.
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's at all, it's just at all.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: All right, Uh, you got anything that's coming up, like
Speaker 3: any investigations that you got booked that you're looking forward
Speaker 3: to or anything.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am really excited. So I have one place
Speaker 2: that's in the works, which I can't announce exactly the
Speaker 2: location right now, but it's coming up and it's going
Speaker 2: to be really cool if anybody's in the Miami area.
Speaker 2: We have a historic location that has reached out to
Speaker 2: my paranormal team that is interested in hosting events. So
Speaker 2: we are doing a preliminary with them so we can
Speaker 2: kind of feel out the building and kind of catch
Speaker 2: the hot spot. So we might have a new location
Speaker 2: coming up. And I also one thing that's coming up
Speaker 2: for me is my team is joining this really cool
Speaker 2: parirent normal team from the West coast of Florida. They're
Speaker 2: they're beyond on the Border's paranormal and beyond the Boundaries
Speaker 2: Paranormal and they are bringing us to the Herd Opera
Speaker 2: House and so we're really excited to check that out.
Speaker 2: And I also have a book in the works that
Speaker 2: hopefully will be finished by this summer. And my book
Speaker 2: is all about the cemetery symbolism we were talking about before,
Speaker 2: So I'm super stoked to finally get that out because
Speaker 2: writing a book, if you've ever done it, is one
Speaker 2: of the hardest things ever. And I am just excited
Speaker 2: to finally have all my ideas out there and share
Speaker 2: it with everybody.
Speaker 3: Awesome, good for you. Nice good luck on the book.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me know when it's When it's out, you
Speaker 3: come back on and promote it and talk a little
Speaker 3: bit more.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 3: Well, awesome, I good luck, good luck with the future stuff. Uh,
Speaker 3: definitely keep checking out your Instagram, Lisa. Is there anything
Speaker 3: that you wanted to ask or get into.
Speaker 1: No, just I think this is very enlightening because you
Speaker 1: hear you watch it on TV and you kind of
Speaker 1: look at it on YouTube videos, but actually you get
Speaker 1: to ask somebody you know like about it over the
Speaker 1: back backstories and stuff like that. So, Gina, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I really, really enjoyed it. There's so many
Speaker 1: haunted places all over the world, and the fact that
Speaker 1: you've even taken it to the next level and gone
Speaker 1: to Europe and explored over there as well as take
Speaker 1: photographs and all that other stuff that I love that
Speaker 1: because it's like boots on the ground doing your own
Speaker 1: research and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So I really really really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, but thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then also the one question, have you ever gone
Speaker 1: to places where like an incident has happened, like a
Speaker 1: bad incident has happened.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have. I actually have a few times. I've
Speaker 2: investigated a site that was used by a serial killer
Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies, and I've had I've had some
Speaker 2: really really interesting, interesting things happened from that. I would
Speaker 2: say that it's important research to do because you know,
Speaker 2: we have evidence that we think that there might still
Speaker 2: be some some people lingering in that area, both you know,
Speaker 2: both negative and positive people there. But what happened to
Speaker 2: me that was really interesting is I actually I think
Speaker 2: that I had an interesting interaction with the site. There's
Speaker 2: a tree and I was leaning up against the tree,
Speaker 2: and you know, wearing a shirt just like I'm wearing
Speaker 2: right now, and my whole back was all where I'd
Speaker 2: leaned up against the tree was all burned, like as
Speaker 2: if I got sun burned and I was in the
Speaker 2: woods and I was wearing clothing. It wasn't, you know,
Speaker 2: And it very mysteriously was gone the very next day.
Speaker 2: I didn't have, you know. And I think that in
Speaker 2: some areas, especially, you know, where something horrific has happened,
Speaker 2: it just kind of leaves imprints, and you know, you
Speaker 2: might kind of interact with some of those. And I
Speaker 2: think many of it is residual. But I do think
Speaker 2: evil can stain certain locations, and evil acts and evil
Speaker 2: situations can absolutely leave a mark on a place.
Speaker 5: That's a very interesting way to say it, very very cool.
Speaker 2: I mean not cool, but I mean it's interesting, really fascinating,
Speaker 2: you know, from a research standpoint, you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: fascinating to be able to to document that. And I
Speaker 2: think what I experienced was residual. I think that it
Speaker 2: was just negative energy that was just lingering. I don't
Speaker 2: think it was anything really intelligent about it, but it's
Speaker 2: still it's nonetheless, it's still something too, something to take
Speaker 2: into consideration and something to document.
Speaker 3: Mhm. You w into Ghost Adventures, you watched that show.
Speaker 2: I have a love relationship with that show, you know,
Speaker 2: but Zach is a little ridiculous. I mean, as much
Speaker 2: as he drives me nuts, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I want the entertainment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did you hear what happened to Aaron?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, come on, tried to kill him.
Speaker 3: I don't know how did she try to kill him?
Speaker 3: I didn't even I saw the article and I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't, I can't. I was like, I can't believe
Speaker 3: this right now.
Speaker 2: Contacted someone in prison, a hitman, and paid him. I
Speaker 2: want to say it was eleven thousand dollars to murder
Speaker 2: Aaron Goodwin, her husband of two years I think, or
Speaker 2: around two years, and there he tried to do it
Speaker 2: while he was filming, so he was filming the show,
Speaker 2: and she sent this guy to murder her husband, and
Speaker 2: she got caught and they have enough evidence to indict
Speaker 2: her for still listening a hit man and something. There's
Speaker 2: two charges. I don't remember what they both were, but
Speaker 2: there are keeping charged with two different things and she's
Speaker 2: being held for like one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Joh, imagine they popped off Zack by accident.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Well, I mean he's a pretty big guy.
Speaker 3: Actually confused.
Speaker 2: He's such a nice guy. I just want to give
Speaker 2: him a hug.
Speaker 3: It seems like if any I guess, if anybody in
Speaker 3: the crew, this would happen to him though, right, because
Speaker 3: he always had the shittiest luck, or at least they
Speaker 3: play it off like that on the show, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I just think that, you know, sometimes, but this
Speaker 2: is my opinion on it. I think sometimes really nice
Speaker 2: will happen to fall into that category of getting with
Speaker 2: a partner that takes advantage of that. And I don't
Speaker 2: know them as a couple, but I think that sometimes
Speaker 2: when people are very just you know, not the alpha
Speaker 2: is a good way to describe it. You know, they're
Speaker 2: kind of understanding there, they go with the flow. They're
Speaker 2: just kind of very chill, and you have someone who's
Speaker 2: opposite from that, sometimes they become a little bit of
Speaker 2: a doormat. And I could see that. I could see
Speaker 2: that being the case here, and I absolutely think it
Speaker 2: was financially motivated. You know, he makes money in in
Speaker 2: you know, in that show, and he probably has other dealings,
Speaker 2: and she didn't want a divorce because she wanted the money,
Speaker 2: she wanted the life insurance. So you know, it's a
Speaker 2: tales all as time, and what an idiot for even
Speaker 2: thinking she can get away with that. And I hope
Speaker 2: she I hope if it is true, and it sounds
Speaker 2: like it is, because I think they have a lot
Speaker 2: of evidence against her, so I can't really like convict
Speaker 2: her before she's even been to court. But if it
Speaker 2: is true, I hope she she gets the maximum time
Speaker 2: in prison for that. So wow, because see you later bye, I.
Speaker 3: Know it's we're funny with up man. Uh. Thanks again, Lisa,
Speaker 3: thank you again for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely great, very interesting.
Speaker 3: Of course of course. Uh Gina again, would you like
Speaker 3: to let everybody know where they can find you and
Speaker 3: all your work?
Speaker 2: So you can find me on Instagram and TikTok at
Speaker 2: She Hunts, and I have a blog. I am a
Speaker 2: writer and a photographer as well as a paranormal investigator,
Speaker 2: so you can follow along with me on my hont
Speaker 2: end investigations and you can join me in the graveyard.
Speaker 3: Awesome, and you have a link tree correct, yes, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that's already in the YouTube now for everybody,
Speaker 3: So if you want to go check out his stuff,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I already put the link tree in there.
Speaker 3: Thank you, of course, of course, thank you very very
Speaker 3: much for coming on, and thank you everybody who jumped
Speaker 3: in on the chat. That's what's up. I saw I
Speaker 3: think a few new names in that might have actually
Speaker 3: maybe been from you. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I saw my friend Matt was in the chat earlier.
Speaker 2: He Matt is from a show called Dark Echoes Paranormal
Speaker 2: and he's he's the host and the producer and they're
Speaker 2: doing their thing all the way up the East Coast.
Speaker 2: They're on Amazon and all kinds of paraflex and other
Speaker 2: fun outlets. So yeah, i'd like I'd like to see
Speaker 2: some some familiar faces in there.
Speaker 3: Thank you of course, of course. No again, thank you
Speaker 3: for coming on. And again, seriously, when you when you're
Speaker 3: ready to drop that book, please let me know you
Speaker 3: can come on. Yeah, we'll let you talk about it.
Speaker 3: You could promote it.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for having me, of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again everybody in the chat, thank you very
Speaker 3: much for coming and joining us tonight. That's what's up.
Speaker 3: That's why I go live and uh, until the next one.
Speaker 3: Everybody be well later.