Speaker 1: Hey, everybody walking back to Challenge podcasts, all about the
Challenge as always. I am Brian sitting at his home
letting his children run amok in the other room since
it's spring break, sitting in Minnesota letting her dog run
a monk because it's always spring break when you're a.
Speaker 2: Dog, carlon San Diego, and.
Speaker 1: Sitting at work, not able to go on spring break?
What what Zae is always working? Hey, everybody at her
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Speaker 3: We have a long off season coming up. It'll get
you something.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I'm talking it's not over promise.
Speaker 2: Over promise, underperform the challenged way.
Speaker 3: We'll volunteer Carlin to make you all stand in glass.
Speaker 1: People are able to buy records yet, so.
Speaker 4: I was actually gonna ask you about that. I'm actually
just looked our records I ordered us are four records.
They shipped out March thirty first. I was hoping to
get them today, But you know, guys, I'll send you
guys a pick when I get them. I'll maybe next
the day or two. I'm sure I don't know how
to get these able to be ordered. I tried to,
like I thought there was a way on Patreon to
like sell something. I don't think there is unless I'm
missing it. So I think I'm just gonna have to
go old school. If you want one of these LPs,
send us a message on Patreon. Remember I used to
do this for stickers and stuff. Send us a message
on Patreon, and we'll just have to do it the
hard way of PayPal something or other. I'm really guessing
like five people are gonna want these things, so I
don't think it'll be that big of a deal. So
just send us a message via Patreon and we'll sort
it out.
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out eventually.
Speaker 2: I feel like we need to figure out something with
the with the four that come in for us, like
maybe the signed versions and you get like a special note.
We'll do that as something so.
Speaker 4: Well, even even I want everybody to sign it. So Carlyn,
you're gonna be the hard one to figure out. Be caves.
We're gonna have to shippingm to you and then you're
to ship them back. But yeah, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: We'll figure out something.
Speaker 3: No, it might be fun because I think I'll be
the only one going to challenge me is. But I'd
order a fifth one like personal money, and just give
as many challenges as I can to sign and then
we could like auction it off for the podcast.
Speaker 4: That would be cool. Yeah, they're only like thirty bucks. Yeah,
I'll put the link up. Anybody could order them. If
if you want to just order it directly, you can.
They're like thirty it's like thirty one bucks or something.
Or if you want to order it from us, then
we'll sign them, you know, we'll like figure that out.
Speaker 1: Sign it sweet tea, or put his phone number.
Speaker 2: And social Security number. Maybe most of those things. If
you go back through the the Annals of Time, you
can find them on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Three or nine, three six seven.
Speaker 2: The huge difference between men and women. There's no way
in fucking hell. I was putting my ship out there
like that.
Speaker 3: Everyone college's number is four or five one.
Speaker 1: Uh. I was going through my uh spare room the
other day. I still have an envelope full of old
challenge stickers. What nice because Tim put the like season
that we were doing on the first set of stickers
then ordered like a billion of them, so we couldn't
really use them after that. But if you want, if
you want, uh, stickers from Challenge when we covered Invasion
of the Champs.
Speaker 4: Included with the record holy shit, eight year old stickers
all they're not even sticky anymore now they're just errs.
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty funny. Cindy Saw was just like,
what is this like that that?
Speaker 4: Oh, Carlin's got an old one.
Speaker 1: Got a couple like my pro abortion sticker, but a
couple of those, but they're like the round ones that
specifically say challenge and then gotcha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those the sticker that I have, the rectangular one
with all of the different things. Mind, I like that
one a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the round one was for that event
that you were at Zachi, the one up, the one
that the first one will feed the bowling one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I might have a one of one, which is yeah,
I mean, I guess you have a bunch of stickers.
I have the the one in the metal holder for
winning the trivia.
Speaker 4: That does it say I'm a challenged person?
Speaker 3: I think it says that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was our joke for season one.
Speaker 1: All right. I don't know who's got notes?
Speaker 2: So who won him?
Speaker 4: No, Colin's got him. No, I got him. I got him.
You know I got him. This one's episode ten. Last
time you didn't, Actually you were the one that didn't
have the notes last time. If we're if we're going there, Karling,
you pulled, you pulled the I typed them, but they disappeared.
Speaker 2: No, I still still had the notes. They shouldn't show
up the last time that someone forgot entirely? Was you
thinking that I was going to do them and you didn't?
I didn't? It was your week?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but still yeah, but still shanadad on. They give
the intro, who cares?
Speaker 1: I feel like we need a boom roasted sticker.
Speaker 4: And a yeah it's still yeah, I still boom roasted
from a Last Man on Earth. But it's it's a
hilarious one.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: This episode starts off with the house barbecue, which I
kind of like these. I don't know, a little casual
house barbecue. Sam's working the grill. What's yeah?
Speaker 1: I want to house barbecue.
Speaker 4: This looks like a fun little activity. This is way
more fun than the club nights.
Speaker 1: I just want to do stuff, and nobody ever wants
to do anything like memorial.
Speaker 3: There's maybe if we bring food over to Tim's housewife,
we can do a barbecue.
Speaker 4: No, I don't want to. I don't want to host anything.
I would go to something. That's the I think that's
the problem. Nobody wants to host it. They just want
to go to it.
Speaker 1: We should just take some charcoal down to Bradley Park
and use one of those outdoor girls there.
Speaker 4: Leave all the trash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: And you're good. We already seen Nicole and Melissa flirting.
That's a recurring theme this episode.
Speaker 2: Recurring theme every time they're on the screen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how would you guys feel if you're if you're
the girlfriend at home? Nicoles thrilled. Yeah, I must. They
must have a I don't know. They must have a
weird understanding.
Speaker 3: Either that or they're no longer together. Once the season
started to.
Speaker 4: Air, Oh do you know ezact, do you have social media?
Speaker 3: I'm at all but all right, I'll have to look
into that if I can see it.
Speaker 4: All right, And then we get Frank, Adam, Melissa and Nicole.
They're sort of all speculating as to what happens next.
Is there like, is the final right around the corner.
What happens to the non star holders sort of a
lot of people just sort of speculating about what's next
in the game. None of it means anything though, because a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people thinking that they're at the final already,
and unfortunately Adam being the voice of reason here being like,
it's not the final, Well, it sort of should be.
Speaker 4: If you're going by this gold Stars thing, because there's
five teams left and four Stars, it's like, if you're
going to cut somebody, this is when you would do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, again, we've done we went over this last week.
They don't do that shit. The last time that happened
was in the Island. They haven't done it since. Like, yeah,
that shit's not going to happen. As much as we
want it to happen, it's never gonna happen like that totally.
Speaker 4: We'll get into more about why the Stars are a
completely stupid mechanism this season as we as the episode
goes on. Yeah, Davon talking to her daughter, it's cute.
I like these parent things. I know I'm stand alone
on this, but I thought it was cute.
Speaker 2: I did actually like this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was difficult.
Speaker 2: I think it's because her daughter was older and like
actually able to interact. And it's the first time that
we've seen her. There was something about this one that
I like a little bit more.
Speaker 4: It humanized Davon more to me, just like see her daughter.
Speaker 2: And yeah, do you know that. I think, I really
do think it's because her daughter was a little bit
older and like able to actually interact, because almost every
other one of them, the kids are like toddlers a baby,
and I have no interest in this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And this also, Davon is also starting to talk
about her and Shane's sort of tumultuous partnership, and we
see some flashbacks to Shane not speaking so kindly to
Davon and a warning sign of things to come this episode.
Speaker 1: Yea friend of the show.
Speaker 4: Oh means in a way this season, right, love you Shane,
But come on, buddy, get it together.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: Well that's it for the intro. We are already onto
the challenge. If you can believe it or not.
Speaker 2: Oh that was real quiet, yep, super quiet.
Speaker 4: CT is gotta yell. This challenge is called pressure Sandwich. Carlin,
what do you do? How do you play this game?
Speaker 2: Uh? Honestly, I don't even remember. How do you play
this game? Oh? Yeah? This is the thing where they
had to hold toilet paper rolls in between each other. Essentially,
each team was given basically four giant rolls. It looked
kind of like toilet paper rolls if you talked to
Adam and they are not actually connected. You have to
sandwich them between yourself and your partner with just the
pressure of the two of you leaning into it. And
then throughout the course you have to pick up six
more pieces, so you have a total of ten, and
then you have to take those ten to the end
of the of the course and stack them all on
a pole in a specific order to form a There
there's a snake pattern on the outside, so it's a
puzzle at the end. And if you drop them outside
of the zones where you can pick the pieces up,
you have to go back to the previous spot and
run back and forth and all that.
Speaker 4: Generally, I think this was a fun challenge. This is
one that sort of anybody could win, but there is endurance,
there's some strategy. I'm kind of into this challenge.
Speaker 2: I did actually really like this challenge.
Speaker 4: Zach will any thoughts on it?
Speaker 1: I felt like this is one of those it's probably
fun to do and not fun to watch.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 1: There was some complications people yelling at each other, but
then you have like.
Speaker 2: Frank and Sam, who Yeah, Frank and Sam's don't any
You just.
Speaker 1: Don't do anything, So then like that's not interesting at all.
Speaker 2: I guess honestly, I kind of wish that they'd shown
Frank and Sam a little bit more, because they didn't
drop any of their pieces. It would have been interesting
to kind of see them actually, like really working together.
I don't know, and I fast forwarded through a lot
of the bullsh a lot of the drama on this
episode because I felt like it was a lot of
the same thing, of like people just screaming each other
for the exact same thing over and over again. I
just I didn't want to deal with it. And this
is where it kind of started with Davon and Shane.
Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah. Shane says he is a good emotor, both
of them are, which he describes as a good thing,
but he says it's when he feels anxious he makes
those around him also feel anxious. I think that's actually
a very negative trait and one that you shouldn't be
bragging about or like leaning into but I felt Shane's
frantic energy. I would not have done well working with
him here.
Speaker 2: I felt Shane's frantic energy through the TV screen as.
Speaker 4: Well, Like, yeah, dude, his eyes were intense, even in
the confessionals, even like those crazy Brad eyes. I'm just like,
what's going on? What's happening behind those eyes, dude, Something's
going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just seems to not be able to communicate
very well with Davon.
Speaker 1: Chris said, I was a bit quiet, so I moved
my mic a lot closer to my face. I don't
know if this is any better or not. Yeah it is, yes,
perfetputer everybody. So I'm still still adjusting stuff.
Speaker 4: Kiss that mic, make you out with the mic.
Speaker 2: If you're on Patreon, you can see it. Deep throat
in the mic.
Speaker 4: Pulling a put on Donald Trump on that mic.
Speaker 1: It's got a big head on it, That's what she said.
Speaker 2: It feels liberated today.
Speaker 4: Who me, Oh, Carl, you know you didn't even notice. Uh.
Frank is as surprised as anybody that they're winning. Uh,
he's genuinely surprised. Sam is like, I don't mean to
say this in a Negati way. But she's sort of
like the anchor. She's she's like she's guiding this this post.
She's being a good partner. I mean, it's they they
just kind of rocket.
Speaker 2: Everybody else struggles, right, I thought you meant she's the
anchor in a negative way. She is the anchor in
a positive way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely episode.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, in in other episodes she has been the
anchor in a negative way. So it's fun to see
her be a positive anchor in this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just don't know how to describe it. But
she even says like she just sort of guides him,
like she just has to sort of push him in
the right direction, and you know. And so yeah, they
don't struggle, they they they they never drop their pieces
from what they said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they just fly through this thing too, like
they're going slow and study but not as slow and
study is like Nanni and Turbo. Yeah, so they seem
to like they seem to truly understand how to move
through this thing. It was pretty impressive.
Speaker 4: And Nannie Truood did pretty well too, but dropped it
a couple of times. And yeah, still were quite a
quite a ways behind Franken say him but ultimately they
do all get to the puzzle. They're all sort of
working out at the same time, except for Melissa Nicole,
who are who? Who the fuck knows where they are?
But Frank and Sam Win.
Speaker 2: Yep, did anyone else know that? Notice that Frank put
the top piece on upside down? No, so it was
supposed to be From the looks of that top piece,
it looked like it was supposed to be a snake
and the top piece because they kept saying, like a
few different times, people said that it was the head,
so it looked like a snakehead, and when he put
it on there, the snakehead was upside down. Pretty sure
it was supposed to be the other way, but they
gave it to him anyway, and they.
Speaker 1: May even fix it, but they're like, well, we don't.
We don't need to have that on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they also didn't really show just how far
behind any other team was, so it may not have
mattered in any way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, gave him the Jenny treatment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jenny did a similar Jenny. Yeah, I didn't finish
one of the it was last season.
Speaker 2: She had her pieces were switched. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, at the end of the Challenge. They're all standing
out those you know, those tiered systems or whatever where
DJ is award in the winner and stuff. And I
didn't see what happens. I don't know if you guys did.
Speaker 2: So it looked like so the tears are like the
second box looks like it's about three feet off the
ground and as so, Adam is standing up there already
on one side like with the space in between him
and Davon, and the space is where Shane is stepping
up into and it looks like Shane may have just
been really exhausted and stepped up and kind of like
wobbled a little bit. And so from from what because
I went back and rewatched that piece like two or
three times, it looks like Adam like puts his hand
out to like hold on to him, to catch him,
and Shane is just not in a mood to be
touched by anyone. And Shane like he he was frantic
all over the place about everything and tells Adam and
a not so nice boys, don't don't grab me like
that or what was it, don't pull on me. Yeah,
And it really did look like Adam was just trying
to like help steady him.
Speaker 3: That's why I thought as well, Shane's.
Speaker 2: Reaction was definitely over the top. Adam's reaction back to
him was even more over the top. Like like a
few episodes ago, Zach, you said that Adam is not
super dramatic. This is the kind of thing where Adam
is dramatic.
Speaker 4: Adam is absolutely dramatic.
Speaker 2: Where if someone like Shane is already upset, he's been
screaming for an hour, Adam knows this. Adam has commented
about this, and instead of just like brushing off what
Shane says to him and being like Okay, dude, sorry,
he screams back at him and it's like dude, yeah,
you're all about peace and positivity, like fucking douche.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Adam I hate annoyed.
Speaker 2: Me, especially this episode, because he has so many fucking
confessionals every episode.
Speaker 4: This guy is just so inauthentic. I just don't like
this guy.
Speaker 3: I have thoughts on Adam both that for later.
Speaker 1: All right, see how I did fantasy.
Speaker 4: Oh, brace yourself, we'll be somebody. Somebody pulled ahead of
you will feed. Oh somebody's not in last somebody's not
in last place.
Speaker 2: We'll look at it later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we went very poorly all around. Shane threw a
ten potentrum. He storms off, and TJ just presses on
and says, all right, we're gonna ward the winners without Shane,
and the winners are Sam and Frank. Yep, let's see
anything else that we're missing here, I don't think so.
All right, Well, hey, we're on a club night, that's right,
all right, we see Nanny. She is talking to Frank,
and as we know, Nanni and Turbot want to be
the House vote. But I think she's talking to Frank
a sort of a backup saying, hey, if we're not
the House of will you send us in? Will you
make us your vote?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: And I think Frank is totally open to that because
he still wants the strong teams, right, So you've got
to assume if the House isn't gonna vote for Nanny
and Turbo, Frank probably will. So yeah, probably smart of
Nan need to do this.
Speaker 2: I was Frank had a confessional I think it was
here where he was saying, you know, I do still
want to do this like it is still you know,
to the benefit of my game, but I also kind
of want to be real fucking Petty and send in
Shane and Damon and oh god, that would have just
been so fucking funny. Yeah, I loved that he said that.
Speaker 4: Frank is an asshole. He is great TV, but he's
such a prick and I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not denying that. He doesn't even deny that. He
said no first came.
Speaker 4: In, Yeah, and we're I mean, as he throws in
Steven Adam later, that's his big prick move.
Speaker 1: But I love it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, way, I'm like, I'm I'm rooting for Frank.
I don't give a ship. H. We get the Book
of Turboisms, you know this Turbo Zachi some up this
turboism for us.
Speaker 3: Uh. Turbo is a big fan of fish, because a
fish does not try to be a lion, it doesn't
try to be a wolf. A fish realizes it's a fish,
and you can trust it because you know, it never
tries to be something that's not, whereas people, you know
you can't trust because they might think they're wolves, but
really they're just pussy chickens.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: Humans can look like humans, but they can act like snakes. Yes, yeah,
he's deep, This motherfucker's deep. We get the super awkward
conversation about the fucking star from All Stars four. Who
in the fuck gives a ship about this fucking star exactly.
Speaker 2: The most insane is that Adam still doesn't fucking understand
that Steve stole his star because Adam was an asshole
all season. Yeah, like he did that because you were
a dick. And I'm pretty sure he stole a start,
Like he did it because you were a dick. He doesn't.
You don't deserve an apology at all of anything. If anything,
you should be apologizing to him. I was so annoyed
by this. He's so annoyed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm annoyed too. I'm annoyed too.
Speaker 2: Now, this is fucking jackass.
Speaker 4: This is super obnoxious that Adam, he and Shane are
complaining about it. So then he confronts Steve and it's
just like, Hey, I don't know if you wanted to,
like maybe apologize, I don't know. Maybe I would have
apologized for that I did.
Speaker 2: I could say I commend Steve for his reaction to it.
His reaction is like, I'm not gonna tell him I'm
sorry because I'm not. Yeah, because he fucking deserved it.
But I need to figure out a way to say
essentially I'm sorry without actually saying I'm sorry, but in
a way that makes him feel okay enough with whatever
I say. He did a really good job of like
beating around the bush like uh uh, well, like I
did what I had to do. Yeah, I didn't want
to necessarily do it to you, but I did what
I had to do.
Speaker 4: Like Steve handled this is as well as well as
anybody could have I think, And yes, that was exactly
a strategy. Carl, a weaker man would have just been like, oh, Adam,
I'm so sorry, like I shouldn't have done that to you.
I do like that. Steve is sort of like I'm
not gonna fucking play that game. Expect this.
Speaker 2: No, because he did not deserve an apology in any way,
shape or form. He's a fucking moron for thinking that
he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just David said, listen to another pod, and
they went back and rewatched the episode from Oh where
Steve took Adam Starr, and their conclusion was that Steve
did not betray Adham as he claims.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't like.
Speaker 1: No Adam or yeah, Adam threw Steven multiple times.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it was. Yeah, it wasn't that he
stole a story so that he threw him in multiple
times that season. Someone he claimed who was a good
he was good friends with threw him in multiple times
and then was so fucking but hurt by the time
he actually got a star Soul one.
Speaker 1: He sucks.
Speaker 2: Yes, he does. Avery, you are on Moron for dating.
Speaker 4: Now listen, I want to preface this by saying, I
like Davon on this Davon and Shane fight. I'm on
Davon's side entirely. That being said, Davon was sort of
shitty here when she's talking to Frank and saying, like
with Shane, super passive aggressive, right, Oh, my partner thinks
it's cool to go on TV and blah blah blah. Oh,
Davon like, this is not this is not the way
to do this.
Speaker 2: What this is what you think this is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is not great. This is the one
time I'm not on Davon's side on the episode. What
do you guys think Shane handled it exactly how I
would have stormed off and threaten to quit.
Speaker 1: Because I literally have had conversations with my EXE shit
like that where yeah, she's just complaining about something and
I'm like, well, I can fix that for you. I'll
just not do whatever. So that is Shane literally just
being like, hey, I'll fucking go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was like, you know, I never like when
people threaten to quit the show and stuff, but I
do like this is the time. I was like, Shane,
I get it, dude, Like this would piss me off too,
Like that's really disrespectful and fucking rude. But anyway, so
he does threaten to leave, he talks to producers and stuff.
Gets like one of these weird dramatic moments. I don't
anything to say about it for you guys.
Speaker 1: Well we do have since we live in the future,
we do know that. The next day when they have
their talk and she's like, you really did pack up
your suitcase, he's like, yeah, it makes for good TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that was partially a makes for a TV
and partially like, let me see if I can play
this off type of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Shane seems clearly that going he's going or something like, Yeah,
he seems genuinely frantic and little manic, and he's he's
crying in the confession, like clearly crying. The confessionals like
there's something happening with that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this game seems to be affecting him a lot
more than any game that we've seen him play in years.
And yeah, it doesn't make a whole it does feel
like something is going on in behind the scenes because
like his relationship with Veronica is the fact that he's
paired with Devon, Like these things wouldn't normally get him
the way that all of this shit is getting him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe he's worried what the producer's going to
show with the whole Cory situation.
Speaker 2: I still beve I don't know. I I don't know
if that whole situation is even true. So I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. We can get to that in
the social media stuff, because I'm sure you have some stuff.
They've been fighting pretty openly Frank and Shaw on social media.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, has Corey weighed in on this whole thing
at all?
Speaker 4: Oh, Zach, you got it, you got information on the
Cory side.
Speaker 3: I think there was like early in the season. I
think Corey spoke up and I am exactly what you said.
But I think I think his stance is basically like
I'm not going to get too deep into it, but yes,
something did occur.
Speaker 2: Okay, if Corey has weighed in on it, then whatever
he goes with. I like, if however he feels in it,
then we'll go with that. But if it is literally
just Frank and Shane going at each other with this middleman,
then I think it's all bullshit because it's just it
just sounds like like bitches being bitches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they've been going at it this week,
but I mean it's not been anything a substance. It's
basically like you suck, no, you suck.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, Also that's also a T shirt being bitches?
Speaker 4: What about you suck? No you suck?
Speaker 2: All right, isn't it be bitch? And wasn't that your
potential podcast?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I always found that entertaining.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: So the next next day they're waking up alcoholists out
of their system, so Shane and Davon talk a little
more reasonably and rationally. Shane talks to Davon and he says,
word for word, I typed this out because I thought
it was an interesting way to put it. He said,
I lack the skills to effectively communicate through a challenge
with you you can tell you like practice that before
he approached Davon.
Speaker 2: Probally a good idea that he practiced it.
Speaker 4: Hey, I did that all the time all married, So yeah,
it's the thing you gotta do. This conversation seems like
it went well, like they're you know, it's cut it's
obviously cut up, but they're like laughing through parts of it.
It does seem like they're genuinely making amends here. Do
you guys buy this too?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean sort of. I did love that, you know, Kevi.
Near the end of it, we see like Shane being
like all I've ever wanted was to be Davon's friend,
and then Davon's like, I don't know if we'll be
friends after this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I really got the impression Davon is squashing it
for this show. She's willing to put this behind us
for the show, but really kind of wants nothing to
do with Shane after this season is over. Is kind
of my impression from her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that's how most of these relationships
in this house go, very.
Speaker 1: Much A best John.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and who knows, because you know, people always say
it and then they back down, but Davon has been
vocal on social media this season that this is her
last time on reality television and then she's done. So
if that's the case, I wouldn't be shocked if she
like cuts a lot of connections with reality TV people.
Speaker 2: You would be shocked, or you wouldn't be shocked.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be because would be one thing, like if
she was playing to come back, I could see her
being more open to like being friends with Shane and
other people, but she might just kind of be like,
you know, I'm not in that world anymore. Why do
I need to maintain a relationship with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I never believe it. And people
say they're retiring because they always they always come like
Wes Is retired several times, Lee Roy just retired and
then played three more seasons. Big retired and played two
more right after. I kind of I don't buy this
retiring shit. I never believe people.
Speaker 1: Chris sas Shane was always the most athletic gay. I
think he did not understand what his identity should be
with Frank and it constantly threw him off.
Speaker 2: That could be true.
Speaker 4: I do feel like there's something about Frank that's that's
triggering Shane, Like there's just something weird there between those two.
I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of all the former gays we had,
do we think Shane was the most athletic.
Speaker 2: I think Tyler was the most athletic. But it's been
a long time since we've seen him, Evelyn. Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: We're just comparing men to men. Yeah, it's been so
long I came there. But like, in my mind, I
think Dan Rensey was athletic, but I could be making
that up.
Speaker 4: Is the athletic, I can't. I mean, he was in
Battle of Sexes, but that wasn't like a physical one,
you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, say all those games were usually Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: In shape, and in shape doesn't always mean outlet Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I think of the of the gay
guys that we've had on the show, I think Tyler
would probably have been number one, and I think Corey
Lay comes in at number two. Shane may come in
like as part of the older crew. Shane definitely qualifies
in that top three. But yeah, I could see I
could see Frank really throwing him, and I don't know
that we've seen Shane and Frank on the same season
together and they are they according to this season, they're
two bitchy gays. Like it may just be that they
like their personalities don't mesh very well. And I don't
know if they've been around each other much, so it
could be him that's throwing him off. But it also
feels like there's something outside of the house that might
be doing something, because yeah, he is super manic this season. Yeah,
very strange or very frank not even manic, just very
frantic this whole season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Shane's different than we've seen him. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: I hope that whatever it is has been figured out.
I hope that he's good now. But yeah, this season it's.
Speaker 3: Just one if it's just as simple as like, you know,
he lost Ashley early, he lost Sylvia early, like all
of his people went home.
Speaker 4: Maybe he just true that's what I was gonna advert alone.
And he just lost Veronica too. Yeah, that he just
keeps losing the people that he that he needs to
be around, and the people that are left don't like it,
like Davon and Frank. You know, he doesn't have this support.
Speaker 2: And he came in like the Lavender Ladies alliance was
almost complete when he came in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so David says, it's it's the conflict of the
infrared helmet versus the porn.
Speaker 4: All right, So now we get Nicole, Melissa, and Nichole's
girlfriend Kim via phone. You see him.
Speaker 2: Cuddling or like kind of great performative.
Speaker 4: Doing some weird shit in the gym with the yoga
ball between them and stuff, and then the video call.
I don't know, what do you guys think about this whole
thing As a whole, I felt.
Speaker 1: Like talking about wanting a family and all that shit,
and I just said that going Nicole, you do not
need to be responsible for a child whatsoever. Yeah, in
your life.
Speaker 2: She does not. And also it just to me, it
felt very performative. It felt like, here, let me show
you and everyone else that I have a girlfriend that
I'm on good terms with.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's like interspersed with her
flirting super openly with Melissa, and even in the confessional
says like, Hey, yeah, I'm flirting with Melissa, but it's
no big deal. And you know, is this do you
think Nicole is being honest that this is They've carved
this out in the relationship, and Kim is gonna be
okay when Nicole gets.
Speaker 2: Home, I wouldn't be okay.
Speaker 4: That looked pretty intimate to me, those moments between Melissa
and Nichole and the obviously security footage, Like there's no
other people in the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's looking that. You know, this may not
actually make it to air. Yeah, it was very strange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been looking while we've been doing the podcast.
I don't see anything online about the update status of
their relationship, so I don't know if they're still together
or not.
Speaker 4: But okay, well they wouldn't have a baby, so there
doesn't always mean they're gonna get a baby, but they're
talking about it, Nicole and Kim. I can't see Nicole
as a family lady. But what do I know? All Right,
with that, we'reund of the house vote, t J opens
it up to just whoever wants to talk and talk
and Nonnie and tur will make their case. They say, please,
we want to go in. Everyone just says, okay, no problem,
and that's it. They're going in.
Speaker 1: This was a pointless segment.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last week Nicole and Melissa said we want to
go in, and that was the end. Like they didn't
even vote yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like they were trying to do the
same ship that they did with the Shane and Davon
a few weeks ago, or Davon, well, well what if
we don't don't agree? It's like everybody like if everybody
agrees and just fucking do it real quick and then
move on to other things, because.
Speaker 4: Well, let me let me throw this hypothetical, guys. I
think David posed this earlier in the chat, that this
was the one nomination where the stars might have mattered,
right frank, Like the house, the house could have said, sorry,
noni interval, You're just not gonna get one. So we're
gonna put two star holders together. But then the question is, well,
what happens to the star do in tur but just
get it? Or you know what I mean? Like, these
are the questions we don't know, and so of course
the Challengers take the easy way.
Speaker 2: I also, I don't.
Speaker 3: I think I think we get a three team final,
then I think two teams go home.
Speaker 4: Really you think so?
Speaker 3: I think so?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 4: You think if the players played it right, we could
have gone. We could have had a two team final.
Speaker 2: That would have been awesome.
Speaker 4: It would have been an interesting way to I mean,
it would have made the gold Stars make sense, because otherwise,
every time they played the gold Stars, it never ends
up making sense. And I wonder if it's because the
players sort of pussy out at this point and they
just don't want to pull the trigger because they don't
know what's gonna happen with that other Star. I don't know,
it just it just is weird to me that it's
never fucking mattered. It's never once mattered these stars.
Speaker 3: I think we could get it down to three. I
don't know if we could do a two team finale
because I think the way the Stars went back into rotation,
the most you could do is limited to three.
Speaker 4: Okay, this would be the so this would be the
one chance they have to get rid of a star. Yes,
otherwise it'd be back at the next challenge. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I hadn't put too much
thought into it, but yeah, it would have been pretty
awesome if if Frank and Sam had decided to put
in a star like put in a different star holder.
And the only downside is that, like for the House vote,
you have to get all of the other teams to
figure out which of the Star holders you're going to
put in.
Speaker 4: And yeah, Star Wars don't want it.
Speaker 2: Nanny and Turbo was the easy, the easy pick because
then there's no blood on anybody's hands, and it's Frank
and Sam enough to make that decision.
Speaker 4: Yep. But it also removes the power of what the
star should be in the game. Otherwise, what are we doing?
Why was the star ever a fucking thing anyway?
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Well, with that, the nominations are essentially over. Nanny and Turbo.
They have a quick talk. They're just essentially trying to
get each other hyped up for the thing. I don't know,
not very interesting, and then we get like Steve saying, yeah,
we were promised that we weren't going to be thrown in,
but I gotta strap up, I gotta be ready, and
Sam also says, yeah, we promised Steve and Adam we
can't throw them, and so we're trying to decide what
to do.
Speaker 2: The fact that Adam thought that this was even a
real promise is insane to me.
Speaker 4: Yep. But we do get a flashback of the promise
where Frank says, if I win, I won't throw you it.
Like he does say that fucking word for a word
Frank and then shakes his hand like absolutely, says.
Speaker 2: It totally fine. Still can't believe that he actually believed it, Like, no,
I know, he's a moron for actually believing it.
Speaker 4: I do too, all right, And with that we're on
elimination Nonny Turbo. They walk down to the floor. TJ
says Frank, Sam who you're thrown in? Frank says, yeah,
it's it's Steven Allam, like, of course it is, and
uh And then his confessional Frank is like, yeah, I
know I said that to him, but I'm trying to
get rid of the strong players. I've said that since
the beginning. That's always been my goal this whole time.
Of course, that's what I'm gonna do. And they'd be
stupid if they believed me. Love it, Love this, I
fucking love this line from Frank to you guys. Is
that universally loved.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I know that you hate Frank Wilfe,
but I love Frank, at least to us. I mean,
I know that Andy back up and actually finish a sentence.
I love that. Since the beginning of this game to
us in the confessionals, he has said, I will lie cheat,
backstep whatever to make it to this final, and I
love that he has not once faltered at any chance
to do that. I think it is absolutely fantastic. It
is the first time that we have seen a player
come in say it outright, I'm going to be a
complete dickhead, and then do it the entire season and
still get people on his.
Speaker 4: Side and never apologize, never to apologize.
Speaker 2: For hi, that's very true, never apologize for it, but
still get people on his side, still make alliances who
are willing to ride with him the entire season.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I love that this is the first time.
Speaker 2: It's not a super sustainable thing to do, which is
probably good reason why he said that this is going
to be a one and done.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he can come back and
do this again. But this was the first time I
think we've seen that somebody successfully rallied weaker teams to
gang up on the stronger teams. And that has been
We've seen it all season, and I like.
Speaker 2: That so many times. This is the first time that
it's like, really truly worked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some shade here. Frank did well. Wes spent
his entire career trying to do and failing.
Speaker 4: Out absolutely totally. Zach, absolutely, did I not just say that?
Speaker 3: Did you say?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I literally just said, this is what Wes has
always tried to do. Frank was finally able to.
Speaker 1: We were listening.
Speaker 4: I'm a woman, I know I listen to me, only
listen to men.
Speaker 3: I was just a comment in the chats.
Speaker 2: Gotcha?
Speaker 1: Sydney literally had that happened to where they work?
Speaker 2: Did she really? No? Good?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But that's exactly That's exactly it, Zach and Kahn, You're
both Right's right?
Speaker 3: She gets the credit?
Speaker 4: All right? So this game is a little weird. Dom
is the right word. I don't I didn't even write
down the name of it. It doesn't matter. There's there's a
weird guessing game, like you had to guess if there's
a star or not real stupid ReBs.
Speaker 2: This game was so fucking dumb.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the guessing part in particular was was dumb.
Speaker 3: That's I don't know if it's the best elmination, Chelsea's
I love this elimination?
Speaker 2: What wrong with you?
Speaker 3: Zach? I was with you guys when they first explained it.
When they first explained it, I was like, Oh, this
is basically like banana in the box. I love Banana
in the box.
Speaker 2: Banana in the box.
Speaker 3: It's like a British game show where it's basically like
one person has a banana in the box and they
look and they have to convince the other person whether
or not to trade them boxes. But I was like,
I love this, but it's gonna be stupid as an elimination.
Speaker 2: It was stupid as an elimination.
Speaker 3: No, I think Steven Adam made it fun. And I
said earlier I was gonna talk about Adam later. I
refell in love with Adham during this elimination.
Speaker 4: I hated him. This is where I hated him the most.
Speaker 3: I hated him all of a sudd until this point.
I'm like, oh my gosh, Adam is fun again. Okay,
why why.
Speaker 2: Do you like this? Oh he's not fun, Zach?
Speaker 4: Is it defend defend, defend your stance? Why what is
fun about him here?
Speaker 3: Just because I feel like this could have very easily
been just staying there with like poker faces, extremely boring,
and Adam and Steve made it fun and not even
had a confessional. But like, I'm so mad that they're
making this fun because I can't concentrate.
Speaker 4: I think, Carl, can you why why didn't you like
ste Adam during this part?
Speaker 2: I just I just didn't like this entire game. I
hated this entire game. I fast forwarded through most of
it because I couldn't.
Speaker 4: Deal with nothing about Adam particularly well.
Speaker 2: I really dislike how over the top he is with
fucking everything.
Speaker 4: That's everything, because it comes across as very inauthentic and
annoying authentic. When he guessed that they had a star
and he didn't or whatever the fuck and he's like
jumping around like shit baboo who It's like, fucking you
guessed he had fifty to fifty shot, dude, it was
a coin flip, Like, get calm down. I don't know.
Everything he does seems inauthentic. It seems like he's playing
it out for the cameras. I just don't like that guy.
I just don't like him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree this this did seem fake and an inauthentic,
But we got confessional early on of them saying we
don't have good poker faith. The only way we can
win this is to be over the top, fake and inauthentic.
That's our strategy.
Speaker 2: I don't care it'd annoyed the fuck out of me.
Speaker 4: Same. I didn't like it. I didn't like it doing.
Speaker 1: This elimination was dumb. I checked out almost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, at the end of it because they won
this stupid star guessing thing, they had one less yoga
ball to transfer with these big long sticks, and ultimately
Steven Adam win it. Non Ay, Turbo, Yeah, they do, Okay,
they try their best, but.
Speaker 2: It was also why the fuck do you have? Why
are these two things so so drastically different. We're gonna
have you answer stupid questions about whether there's a star
in a box, and then we're gonna have you transfer
yoga balls like you couldn't there wasn't like something.
Speaker 4: That was The challenge has not yet figured out how
to make these eliminations both fair and interesting, you know,
because they don't want to make them too physical, you know,
for these all stars ones. But then it's shit like this,
which is just like not interesting to watch. Yeah, and
that's about it. The only note that I have here
is that Turbo is also very dramatic. He goes to
one of his confessionals and the guy that she's just
looking down. He's like, we just we cannot win He's
just so defeated because they're like two yoga balls behind
a fucking throwing yoga balls in the big fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit?
Speaker 4: So weird. And then that's it, Nonny Turbo. They go home,
they lose, Steven Adam, they win, and TJ tells them
everybody is going to the final, which of course they do.
There's only four teams left, so mm hmmm hm and
the end.
Speaker 1: So as I was watching it and we see who's
gonna be in the final, I honestly just sat and thought,
I'm like, oh, I don't give a shit who wins.
There's not one team I really care about.
Speaker 4: That's what you gotta lean on your fantasy teams. It's
like just who's gonna give you the most points, that's
who you want to win. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I
don't care either.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's uh that these are maybe my least favorite people.
I'm not rooting for anybody. I don't care about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am not thrilled. Uh.
Speaker 1: Part of me would like Shane to win just so that, yeah,
I can rub it in Frank's face.
Speaker 4: Shane's first Shane's first Final is pretty sweet. Let me
throw this one out. You though, Guys, what if Sam
plays this game twice and wins it twice? What if
Sam comes out of two time fucking champion. That would
be kind of right, that'd be kind of fucking cool. Actually,
so I'm kind of rooting for that.
Speaker 2: I just she'd have a pretty fucking stellar record, the
fact that she's made the final both of her seasons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is Shane's first final ever for US and
Sam twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah for a fluff player two for two one finals, Like, yeah,
where'd you go?
Speaker 3: Girl?
Speaker 1: Not bad?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm maybe I'm rooting for her just because
the weird statistic that she would represent there.
Speaker 2: But I mean, she's definitely she's one of those players
who would never have made it to a final if
she didn't have the team or partner that she has.
So yeah, it's still insane to me that this is
Shane's first final ever.
Speaker 1: Due it says Shane's first final ever brought to you
by the Infrared Helmet.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I am interested to see Shane in the final.
I wish this was a like a real final, like
a because I'm you know, it's gonna be an All
Stars once It's not gonna be as good. But I
would like to see Shane in a good one because
I think he's athletic. He's good at a lot of
this stuff. We'll see how this goes.
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Speaker 1: Uh okay. Over on Spotify, we did get a couple
comments on some episodes. Nicole asked on the episode ring
around the Rival, I agree on all points you mentioned. Also,
when did y'all get a goat on the pod? I
don't know if someone was eating, but it sounded like
a goat eating corn flakes at the end.
Speaker 2: L O l okay. So I went back and listened.
This was for last week's episode. I went back and
listened to try and fare out with the goat. Thing
was Zach because he's like he's delayed when we're listening
to him. He like cuts in and out, and there
were a few times where like he's starting to say something.
It also was because I was so stuffy last week.
It was me either blowing my nose or like trying
to not blow my nose into the mic at the
same time that he was doing that. So it did
sound a little funky at the end.
Speaker 4: Those internal snot snot sucker upper things, those things you do. No,
that's what I do.
Speaker 1: That's interesting story of Carl. But that is in fact wrong.
This comment was from a month ago an the Rival.
Speaker 4: Oh did you listen to it?
Speaker 3: What was the I do remember there was an episode
probably about a month ago where I was eating had
very many eggs, and you guys called me out, being like, Zach,
what are you eating?
Speaker 2: That's probably what it was.
Speaker 1: I thought it might have been the episode where I
up board and just went and got some chips and.
Speaker 2: It well, but you you meaned for most of that.
Speaker 1: I was from last season, so that's when I was
really over the show.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's true. Was that hammer was that? I'm
pretty sure six years ago it was.
Speaker 4: You know that that was Wolf because Amanda was there
bitching at him, crunching chips right into the microphone.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. When that happened, I was very happy
she was pitching you, because uh, I just set my
whole body on edge.
Speaker 4: Yep, it was great.
Speaker 1: It's great. That's even said Wolf is going to listen
to an episode. Lucky you get him. The host of
the recording it's true. Nicole also left a message one
day ago on the last episode, the episode you were
talking about, and it says, I don't think the Zoom
contact list for the players get paid. Everybody knows what
baby talk means between couples, and then showing Casey gives
me the ick. Uh lol, Miss san Diego wins, Tim.
Speaker 2: I didn't get that, Carl and san Diego, I just
got that.
Speaker 4: No, I get that too, wins. What though, you win?
Speaker 2: The art wins the argument that we were having between
about the baby talk thing.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I.
Speaker 1: Well that's just what she thinks, the Zoom people getting
paid or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We also got a comment the other day, someone
yelling at Tim saying, Tim, keep your cat inside.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not going well, guys, it's not going well.
Speaker 2: Keep your fucking cat inside.
Speaker 4: I can't. I can't do it. No, I can't do it. No,
that cat does what it wants.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you have is the cat waiting at the
door when you like let him in in the morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you need to get a.
Speaker 2: Fucking cat door or like put a box out there
for him, you know, something, so that he can be
protected from the element.
Speaker 4: I'll think about it. I'll think about it, I'll think.
Speaker 2: About Okay, so we're gonna go onto the the Fantasy
Leagues Host League. Oh, I'm still winning, still surprising.
Speaker 3: Even more, I believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm at thirteen twenty four, Zachu Manana is
at twelve twenty one, wolf He's at ten fourteen, and
Big Uncle Sweet Tea's at seven point eighty. I am
down to Oh great, I'm down to just Jane and
Davon uh stellar going into this. I'm in the film miserably.
Speaker 1: Win though.
Speaker 3: You got this on lock true.
Speaker 2: Zach has Adam, Steve and Nicole. Wolfie has Frank and Melissa.
Speaker 4: I got Sam, You've got Sam. I got Sam, only Sam.
Come on, Sam, let's go Sam.
Speaker 2: I mean if Frank and Sam take it, then it
could be good.
Speaker 4: I'm still not gonna I can't win because Frank, because
who got who? Has Frank give you some some like?
I don't think I can even get third place. It's
it's kind of remarkable that I've been in fourth place
every game, every time, like every week. I've never I
don't think I've ever been third. It's weird. How is
it possible?
Speaker 3: I feel like it's crazy. I feel like you guys
usually like do we need the host league or do
we just see the group like we need the host
like for this exact reason, we need to see Kim,
like finally get at least third place.
Speaker 4: At least at least third place for one fucking week.
Speaker 2: Jesus to not be a complete asshole when you're picking
your team.
Speaker 4: Listen, my teams on my teams on paper are never bad, Carl,
and your team is the worst.
Speaker 2: Last season was awful.
Speaker 4: I don't remember last season.
Speaker 2: This season and you let you let who was a
stove pick half of your members, like, doesn't even try.
Speaker 4: I did do that, but this time I FESSI and
Turbo I did. I had strong teams, but this was
this was this, This was the season. This strong tams
went out fast. Well, we all have a couple of
weak people on our teams, but.
Speaker 2: I definitely I had I had a weak team. I
don't know how to my team is still around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had you had like the worst if you
look at it on paper, it's the worst ever.
Speaker 2: Run as Shane and Davon. I don't know how. I
don't know how I survived this ship.
Speaker 4: When you when you guess. At the start of the season,
I swar to Christ this is it's almost pure luck.
It has to be, and I just have the worst
fucking luck.
Speaker 2: I truly don't know how my team has made it
so well. It makes no sense to me at all.
All Right, so publicly, the one that everybody actually cares
about first place, we have take the stars and run.
Second place is Kiki one more time, and oh I'm
in third?
Speaker 1: Cool running away with it this season? What was that
You're running away with it this season?
Speaker 2: Last year? Last season, I was running away with it.
This season, I'm trying real hard to get back up
to the top. That that week that I got like
negative whatever. However, many points just fucked me royally and
dropped me way down. The challenge pod hosts, we are
sitting in fifth. We came up to spots this episode.
Zachie Bananas went down one. He's in seventh. Let's see,
we've got big Uncle sweet. He came up three places here, yes,
three places in beating beating.
Speaker 4: Wolfy suck it, Wolfy, suck it. Suck it boys.
Speaker 1: It's it's exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So we've got what two episodes left?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Is it two?
Speaker 4: Episode final, we're guessing, right, there's nothing. Do you think
they're gonna purge? You think it's gonna end up being
three at the in the last episode.
Speaker 1: I think the next episode there's a there's an elimination
of some sort.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it looks like Frank is crying in it, so.
Speaker 1: Because he's a little bit.
Speaker 4: It's easy to look at him crying and think, well,
they've got to be the ones eliminated because he says
something like it's just not.
Speaker 2: Fair that I don't know that I took it as
there and this is spoilers for everybody that it doesn't
like the next week on Uh, I don't know if it.
To me, it wasn't like a, oh, this is unfair,
like we're having to go home early because of this.
To me, it felt more like we have been doing
so well for the last few episodes and like maybe
they got some bonus, but then like Shane and Davon
overtook them on a run and are now like sitting
in front of them, and he's just exhausted and pissed.
Speaker 4: It seemed like, knowing what I know of Frank, they're
going to start losing for and it's gonna be Sam's
fault and he's gonna not not take that. Well, that's
kind of what I suspecting. Is that happened most possible?
Speaker 3: I mean, did you guys see that there's a clip
for next week where it looked like they're going up
a bit of a sand dune. Yeah, Frank pulling Sam?
Speaker 4: Oh no, And well it's better than pushing, right, he
learned a lesson. Don't push her up, pull her pull
her up. It's very different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's I think she's gonna have a real rough
time in the next two episodes. We might actually see
old Frank come back, like full old Frank come back.
Speaker 3: Ok.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well All Stars are typically less running, but there
is cardioc endurance is a is a part of it,
and Sam is the least equipped. Yeah, so yes, I
think it's gonna be We're gonna see some issues.
Speaker 1: Maybe Old Frank will come back and Nights will reach
down from the heavens. Zach, do you want to read
some uh social media stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So Mark Long has pulled up. So for All Star
six casting spoiler here, Then, assuming they get picked up
for season six, we can see Mallory from Paris oh Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see Tea's season.
Speaker 4: Yes, and she did. She did one episode of The
Challenge right like a billion years ago.
Speaker 3: I think she I think she had one season right
after her Real World season, then never came back.
Speaker 4: She was super hot. She's a model, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: She was from like fifteen minutes away from where I
was living. She was from this plane and I.
Speaker 4: Was looking, Oh, no shit.
Speaker 1: I was like, she's probably right down the street right now.
Speaker 2: I have a chance.
Speaker 4: So wait, Mallory is supposed to be a big, a
big All Star six.
Speaker 3: Draw apparently, so yeah. Mark said, as long as they
get picked up for season six, Mallory seems on board
to be part of it.
Speaker 4: That's a desperate, desperate plea from Mark, because nobody gives
a fucking shit about Mallory. I guarantee that I don't even.
Speaker 2: Know who that is.
Speaker 3: Maybe the next one, maybe the next one'll gets you
more interested. He didn't guarantee it for All Stars, but
he did announce that he has a meeting later this
week with EV.
Speaker 2: That's bullshit. I've heard I have a meeting with EV,
but there's no way in fucking hell that woman is
coming back to the show.
Speaker 4: Well, but Coral did a little brief video for Mark
that seemed like maybe Coral might be open to this yup.
Speaker 3: And also, you know, I don't know if it's All
Stars delayed, but from Mark's original season, he did hang
out with Kit this week for the first time in
like twenty years.
Speaker 2: In all honesty, like I could see these people like
doing a promo video for him to try and get
hype for the show, and then with like with the
understanding like here, I'm gonna do this promo video for you,
I'm gonna get paid X amount of money and there's
no way in hell I'm showing up.
Speaker 3: Like totally cal I mean, maybe Karl's just trying to
bamboos foozle us all, but she basically every video said
you know, like in comm if you want to see
me back, if there's enough demand, im there.
Speaker 4: What it seems to me. And I say this with
with much respect and love for Mark Long, I think
All Stars on the Chopping Block. I think Mark Loong
is getting desperate. He's also begging people to watch this
season on MTV and the season is doing very poorly
in ratings. But he said, like, you know, the future
of the show relies on you streaming this show, which
is fucking impossible to find yes and stream. So it's like,
that's not this is not looking great.
Speaker 2: And I saw a post from him, I think this
was in the last day or so, saying like, if
you really won all start six, you guys all have
to watch tonight's episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem like it is on the chopping box.
Speaker 2: If MTV didn't make it so fucking hard to watch
it this season, then you might actually have more people
to watch. But I mean, this is why word, this
is what Tim is stealing it because it's so fucking
hard to get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not that hard. I just purchased the whole season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean if you don't want to pay
for it, yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh. In other social media news, uh, there's a new
reality show coming to Netflix called Pop the Balloon. It
is a dating show with reality stars and has been
confirmed Johnny Bananas will be one of the daters on it.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, who cares.
Speaker 3: Zachi Bananas? That's who cares?
Speaker 1: Zach?
Speaker 4: I love you know, I love you. I love Johnny
Bananas as much as a man should. That dude's had
some work done. His face looks super puffy in those
promos for that, like, oh Man's getting He's got that,
He's got that pumpkin face going on.
Speaker 3: Far Abraham's the other name they announced for anyone that's
a Teen Mom fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she also has had a lot of work done.
That woman does not look anything like herself.
Speaker 1: She looks like a skeleton.
Speaker 4: They gotta show that, call that show pumpkin faces too
much classic surgery.
Speaker 3: You know, it is crazy because she is definitely a
hot mess. But I saw like a compilation the other
day going through No, it's going through all the kids
of like the original Teen Moms, and it really does
seem like Fair's daughter turned out the best of all
those kids. So somehow she actually seemed to raise a
decent child.
Speaker 1: She probably wasn't around, That's probably why.
Speaker 3: That could be.
Speaker 2: I never watched those shows, had never any want to
watch those shows. Still have no want to watch those shows.
Speaker 4: I stayed there.
Speaker 1: I just sort of know of her through pop culture stuff.
Speaker 3: She was on some hipop culture you mean her private videos.
Speaker 2: Yes, everybody knows all that she was on a.
Speaker 1: Couple's therapy reality show. Yes, And it was very obvious
right away that she just signed up because it was
a reality show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was on a celebrity Big Brother UK as well.
Speaker 4: Wasn't Amanda big into teen mom or something she used
to watch?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I casually watched it back in the day night
tunned in again a little bit when Corey got on it.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right. Yeah. I never got on a Team
Mommy either. Yeah. MTV like they didn't hit me with
any of their reality shows other than The Challenge and
like they're shitty ones like Next was that that one? Next?
Speaker 2: The dating show where they get off the bus?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I always liked it when somebody would get
off the bus and then not even say anything and
the person just be like next. It's like just basically
saying like you're ugly.
Speaker 2: It was tender in real life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like we only had three options, like
three people on the bus, that's it.
Speaker 3: I really liked Parental Control. That was my favorite of
those dating shows.
Speaker 4: I was about to say Room Raiders. Yep, Rental Controllers.
Speaker 2: Room Raiders was peak dating show.
Speaker 4: Robin Robin from the Challenge did an episode of Room Raiders.
I remember she was the raider, you know, like because yeah,
that was like the prize you got to get on
a date with Robin if she picked your room? What
was the parental control, Zach? Was that that the parents
picked the dates for the kids? Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yep? And then there's also date my mom.
Speaker 4: Oh I don't remember that one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Guys would go out on dates with the
girl's moms and then have to pick which girl he
wants to date without ever seen or just based on
how cold their mom was.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, is as good as Milf Manner, which is
on R.
Speaker 3: I have not watched that yet. I want to watch Milner.
Speaker 1: I haven't. But so they have all these all these
older women come in and a bunch of young dudes. Uh.
The weird thing is there was one season. I don't
know if they did this for all of them, but
there was one season where all the old women brought
their young sons onto the show and they would hook
up with other women. One of them was Lisa Wilcox,
who was Alice from The Nightmare on Elm Street Movies.
Speaker 4: Holy shit, she's a milk How old is she now?
Speaker 1: She gotta be like.
Speaker 4: She gotta be old. She's gonna be like sixty.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, yuess. She brought her son with her, so
he hooked up with some old women and she looked
up with some young.
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, Now, what if there was a Zaddie derivative
where it's this dude took up with young chicks.
Speaker 3: Maybe. I think that was the first season a little wolf,
And I don't think they necessarily brought their kids because
I know in the first season they didn't realize their
kids were the young men, and the men young men
didn't realize the moms were their moms until they got there,
and it was like a surprise reveal.
Speaker 1: Carlo's eyes are popping out.
Speaker 2: It's all is just so unappealing.
Speaker 1: I just think it's hilarious that this is a real
reality show where it was like fifteen years ago thirty
Rock made a joke about a show called millf Islands.
Speaker 2: Basically, what's funny is Bravo is about to do I
think it's called Love Hotel. They're doing four of the Housewives,
like the notoriously single housewives are going to a basically
a hotel with a bunch of single dudes and I
don't know, spending a week there or something like that.
Speaker 3: Dumb way back in the day, did you guys ever
watch was that one. There's something about Miriam.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I'm not a big fight. Ever since
Room Raiders, I don't care about any of the dating shows.
Speaker 4: I don't either. You didn't watch like the VH one ones, Carlin,
I love Money, I love New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying, like in in that era the
Room Raiders, the I love that what was it Rock
of Love and Flavor of Love like those ever since
those shows where it was like peak ridiculous dating show,
ever since then, I don't care about any of them,
especially the Bachelor and Bachelorette. That ship's so incredibly staged.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never watched the Bachelorette ship that I loves.
I loved I love Money, but yeah, I love New York,
Rock of Love and Daisy of Love. I never watched
any of that stuff. Mean, millionaire Megan, he's a millionaire?
That was that transcend that transcended day. Megan wants a
millionaire was fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't know that, No know, I watched that one.
Speaker 3: That's a good one.
Speaker 1: Megan from one of the Rock of Love, Yeah, got.
Speaker 3: Real chance of love.
Speaker 1: And then the guy that wanted the one Megan wants
a Millionaire turned out to the killer, right.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say, is that the show where
the girl where the woman was killed because of the
guy or by the guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I feel like there have been two or
three unrelated to the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, after that guy went on I Love Money
for and then killed the girl and.
Speaker 4: One I think the rumor is he won I Love
Money three.
Speaker 3: I thought it was four, but yeah, he won it.
But then because the maritone, they just had to like
throw the whole season away and never air it.
Speaker 4: Yes, and there's never been an episode of that. And
Megan wentz A Millionaire was canceled halfway through, so you
can't even see the whole thing of that. It was.
It was it was canceled like halfway through because the
dude killed the woman, like while this show is airing. Yeah,
very fucked up. That that's kind of what killed all
of those, right, the reality, the whole VH one reality stuff.
I think that was it. It's done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they were.
Speaker 2: They weren't very good at vetting their their contestants.
Speaker 1: They do you like those hip hop Atlanta and.
Speaker 4: Whatever else, love and hip hop, love and hip hop.
Speaker 1: That's what it was.
Speaker 3: Well if he did you watch uh the I Love
New York with David o'tunguea ont Nope.
Speaker 1: I thought all those shows were ridiculous. I only watched
Rock of Love, and honestly, those were the most ridiculous,
and I hated that I watched them.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed all of them, but I definitely thought going
back and rewatching I Love New York once David o'toga
made his name in wrestling was even funnier. Yeah, like,
once you realize now he's made to Jennifer Hudson, He's like, oh,
he's went from New York to Jay hud.
Speaker 1: Now divorced.
Speaker 3: Oh are they? I didn't know that. Well, maybe maybe
he can Love New York again.
Speaker 1: Then maybe should do a reunion. Everybody's older.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's she's just in that Villains show she was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's pretty consistently around on the stuff.
Speaker 3: Her name's been rumored for the next season of Traders.
Speaker 1: Yep, uh, David said, did see WW wrestler is going
to be one of the newbies on Challenge season forty one?
I saw someone had WW by their name. I didn't
recognize him.
Speaker 2: They must be Yeah, there was a rumor that there
were going to be some broad people from some of
the younger shows showing up on forty one. I look
through that entire cast, not a single person is for Bravo. Yeah,
whoever has lied.
Speaker 3: They're very liberal with the name WW Superstar. Because there
was just a girl who was on the last season
Deal or No Deal Island who said she was a
former WW wrestler and she was at the performance center,
but she never even like had a televised match. Yeah,
she just trained and then never made it.
Speaker 1: As I can see, everybody's enthralled by this conversation, so
let's uh wrap this episode up. Two more episodes left.
Speaker 2: We're still figuring out what we're doing in the off season,
but we will definitely be taking some time off.
Speaker 1: Yes, there will be a short break after that. We're
gonna sort of see where the status of season forty
one is and then decide if we're going to do
an old season or what we're going to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you guys have old seasons you really
really really want us to do, maybe throw them in.
Speaker 1: The Maybe we could set up a poll on Patreon
and people could vote.
Speaker 2: Oo, there we go, So yeah, throw them into the
comments on the on this episode on the Facebook page,
and then we will put together a poll in Patreon.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, Chris said, polarizing. Okay, I don't know what
that means. Hey, uh, everybody head overy Challenge, but dot
dot com join the Facebook group, also join our patreon.
As we mentioned, you might be able to get to
vote in our Uh. That's it for this episode of Challenge.
Speaker 2: It's Brian Carlin, San Diego, Zachie Bananas.
Speaker 1: And as Cerbo said, for one last time on this episode,
pussy Chicken.
Speaker 4: Got Charlie ch
Speaker 2: Sure,