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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We have a very special occasion today.

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Speaker 3: Up in the air. It's a bird, it's a plane.

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Speaker 2: No, it's the most craptastic movie you've ever seen in

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your life.

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Speaker 3: This time, it's personal. It is personal this time. You know.

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For a long time we've said we don't pick losers, right,

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but today we're picking losers.

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Speaker 2: But we are picking the number one losers, the absolute

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best losers of all time.

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Speaker 3: We've got our buddies today. Hey, we've got Jeff and

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Brad from the Film By podcast. Guys, how are you

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doing today?

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Speaker 4: Doing great?

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Speaker 5: Jason and de the dudes of Steel Boy you gotta

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get it?

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Speaker 2: Uh, you stole one of my line.

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Speaker 3: Quotes are coming out early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So everybody who's used to our normal format on

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the podcast, we were doing something completely different today. Number one,

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we have a couple of awesome guests from another podcast

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called a Film Buy. We have done a podcast with

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these guys before. We've got Jeff and Brad together today

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with us, and we previously done a movie of nineteen

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eighty nine, which was also a sequel. We did Ghostbusters too.

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I thought that was one of the best episodes that

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we ever did. I was a little bummed that we

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didn't publish it to our stuff. You guys had you

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had You had a great episode right there. I thought

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that was a really fun one to do, and it

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was great to work with you guys. I'm really excited

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to be hear doing it again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Well, I figured that you guys wanted to do another movie.

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Were Statue of Liberty like leaves Liberty Island And I'm like,

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are we seriously doing another movie where the Statue of

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Liberty moves again?

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Speaker 3: But wow, I didn't even think about that.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the body once what the body wants?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, So today we are covering Superman four. Typically

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our format is to bounce back and forth between the

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two movies that we cover, but we're going to start

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with Superman for the Quest for I don't know what

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they were really looking for, and this was really pretty bad.

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I got a couple of couple of quotes here that

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I feel like is appropriate for this intro. The first

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one is betrayed, betrayed, betrayed, and then you stole my

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the dude to steal you're gonna get it, But I

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think probably the best one is stop, don't do it?

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Speaker 5: The people, Oh my god, passion that it was Shakespeare.

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Speaker 2: So we were going to talk about Superman four first,

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then on our next episode we will be talking about

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Jaws the Revenge. We can't call it Jaws four, right,

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because who knows if they really even consider Jaws three

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a part of the series or not. I don't know,

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But today we are talking Superman four, Cannon produced, Canon ruined,

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and the end of what had begun as a spectacular series. Guys,

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how recently have you seen Superman four?

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Speaker 4: Last night?

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Speaker 5: For me it was it was last night for me

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Speaker 3: Yeah, last night.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, So I can't believe I've never ahead. I

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woke up at two o'clock in the morning. I'm like, well,

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I might as well watch Superman four while I'm not sleeping.

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So I watched it a couple of nights ago. It

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is the first time that I've seen it since I

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saw it in the theater in nineteen eighty seven. Wow. Wow,

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really yeah? And I can wait another thirty four thirty

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five years, so I see it again.

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Speaker 3: Did you guys see this in the theater or what's

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what's your relationship with it?

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Speaker 5: I saw it in the theater?

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Speaker 3: Did you cry or I remember?

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but I did not enjoy this one at all.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know what.

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Speaker 4: I didn't see it in the theater. But what I

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saw was my local like market like gas station, jeff

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of Superman four in comic book form. So actually read

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it before seeing the movie, but I didn't see it

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Speaker 2: Okay. So the question that I had when I watched

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this movie the first time and when I watched it

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thirty five years later the second time, is how did

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this piece of crap get made?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And the answer comes down to money and the lack thereof.

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Dear listener, if you haven't checked out our episode where

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Jason and I and John Reid from the thirty something

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Movie Podcast compare Man of Steel versus Superman one and two.

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Definitely go check those out. The saul Kinds are the

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producers of those movies, the original two movies, and they

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had also done Superman three, which I love, sucked, I

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think Jeff and Joyce I had with it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I took some I took Jason's advice from when

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you guys did the Batman episode where you went and

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you watched like Batman Forever and Batman and Robin doing this.

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I watched Superman three and Superman four like together to

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compare him, to see which one.

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Speaker 5: Was better or worse.

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Speaker 4: And I'm ah, man, this was a hard one. This

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was the harm one because Superman three I watched, tried

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to watch it a couple of nights ago, and I

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had to turn it off.

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Speaker 3: But I pushed through it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had.

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Speaker 3: I pushed through it.

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Speaker 4: The beginning. The beginning is just too comical.

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Speaker 3: The opening scene is ludicrous.

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Speaker 2: It's hilarious.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's not supposed to be hilarious. We're talking

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about Superman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I got two words for both Brad and

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Jason that why this why Superman three is by far

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better than Superman four. And those two words are a

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net o'tool thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: And I say help Mauriel Hemingway.

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Speaker 2: Right, Merria Hemingway is nice to look at, but she

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brought nothing to the table. At least a net O'Toole

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is an accomplished actress, and her exchange with Christopher Reeve

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during the Smallville scenes is absolutely hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Okay, listen, I'm gonna make a comparison and then we

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can move on from Superman three. But Superman three, in

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my book, was like when I watched The Last Jedi

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for the first time. I hopes kicked in the balls, right, Okay,

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massive fall from Superman two, total disappointment. What am I

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looking at? This movie is total crap. So when I

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saw Superman four, it was kind of like the Last Skywalker.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Eh, not that bad, Yeah no, and

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like that for Star Wars with us. I didn't hate

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the third or the second in the sequel series, but

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I absolutely despised the last one and absolutely despised this.

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have a salt kind production that is called Supergirl.

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Speaker 3: I'm spiking the football early on. This is the worst

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DC movie of all time? Super Girl is an abomination.

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Speaker 4: I had since I was a kid. I barely remember it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it came out in eighty four. Yes, it

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on IMDb right now has a rank of four point

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four out of ten, which is pretty bad. Yeah, Superman

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four has three point seven. I don't know that I

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disagree with you. I don't know that Supergirl isn't at

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least as big a piece of crap as Superman four.

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low that people weren't they because they cared right Superman four.

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with Superman three, but there were also a bunch of

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guys like us that absolutely loved it, and so in

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coming into Superman four, that was the we were set

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up for the biggest fall ever after having Superman one, two,

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and three on our books. Okay, but what happened is

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is that the saul Kinds had a disappointment with Superman

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three underwhelming performance on that one, they had an even

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worse performance with Supergirl, and so they were basically out

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of money. And then enter the Cannon Group.

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Speaker 3: So the Cannon group, you got these wheeler dealer guys

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always making moves from Israel, and they wanted to crack

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into the American market. And I watched this documentary called

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Electric Boogoloo. Jeff, did you watch it?

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Speaker 4: Documentary?

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Speaker 3: It's awesome, love it. It made me like instant fans

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of these guys Falls of Steel. And so they would

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get movies made by simply making a poster, finding investors

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by hey, look at this poster. We're working on this

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movie right now. You can be a part of it.

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You just donate your money, and you know you can

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help us with that. Well, the movie they weren't. They

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didn't have a script, they didn't even have really an idea.

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these movies just by being ballsy enough to ask for

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The two names are your Globus and Menehem Goland. Okay, yeah,

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it's just hard. I'm just going to say the Cannon

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, easier that way.

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Speaker 2: So what they would do in addition to these poster

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ideas is that so the con Film Festival would happen

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and they would show up and in the paper. They

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would buy advertisements for every single page in the paper,

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like full page advertisements for their movies. And then, like

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you said, they'd go show posters and they'd try to

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get investors for their movies that they had no script for,

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no actors, no director, nothing except a poster.

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Speaker 3: And it worked, all right, everybody, Let's take a quick

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break and hear from our good friend mister Dayton Johnson

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over at the Docking Base seventy seven podcas Cast.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 7: I'm Dayton Johnson, the host of the docum based seventy

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seven podcast. I love to talk about movies. First of all,

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it was Bradburd's directorial debut Once from the get Go,

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proving that he is one of the best directors in Hollywood.

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There I've said it. It's so much fun, the jokes

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are great, like I said, and you have such a

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great voice. Cast Harry Connick Junior as a beat Nick

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was a stroke of genius to cast him. I mean,

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come on, I love to talk about music. I want

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to talk about the first song on the album Our

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Litster Sealed. As far as I'm concerned, this is a

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perfect pop song. It's catchy, it's fun, it's not quite

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a few minutes long. The vocals are great. It's just

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so much fun and there's nothing there's nothing wrong with it.

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It's just a perfect pop song. And I have a

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lot of friends that like to do so as well.

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Speaker 5: The witches are are you know, as long as there

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the creepy sexy, which is you know, you shouldn't be

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looking like the neck down?

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Speaker 4: Okay, good, but come back to us, d come back

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to us.

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Speaker 8: No, I'm going with the wikis.

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Speaker 2: The witches are definitely much more nightmare fuel, but the

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fact that they look like.

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Speaker 4: The Texas Chansaw centerfolds.

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Speaker 7: We have a lot of fun and we hope you

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will give us a listen. You can find us on Podbean,

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good Pods, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks, and remember,

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when it comes to watching movies and listening to music,

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physical media is better than streaming.

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Speaker 3: And it worked for a while.

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Speaker 2: It works so well that they started calling it the

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Cannon Film Festival. Wow. Well, I mean so it worked,

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so it marked Yeah, So in eighty five or eighty six,

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they're there. The saal Kinds are there. The saal Kinds

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are having money troubles, and these wheeler dealers buy the

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rights to Superman for five million dollars five million dollars.

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Can you imagine buying that franchise for five million dollars

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even in eighties money that seems nuts sturgeat.

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Speaker 5: Not as ridiculously low for a property like Superman. Absolutely

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Speaker 2: And just to give some perspective to that, they paid

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Christopher Reeve six million dollars just for his part, just

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for his one part. So can you imagine that the

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rights being bought for less than you pay one actor

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in the movie. It's it's crazy, it's crazy. But because

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they've got this choice piece of property, they're thinking, Okay,

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we're going to sink all of our funds into this,

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and they get together a budget of thirty six million dollars.

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Thirty six million dollars in nineteen eighty six, you're going

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to make a good movie, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you this then I just throw this in.

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You know what the biggest budget movie of nineteen eighty

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seven was at thirty million dollars Caause of Revenge. Wow,

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that's thirty million, So thirty seven would have been the high.

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Speaker 2: Been bigger, yeah, except that once it was time for

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actual production, the Cannon Group had put out so many

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atrocious movies that they were also out of money, and

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they slash the budget from thirty six million to seventeen million,

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cut it more than in half. Yeah, at the last minute,

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at the last minute.

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Speaker 3: So the Cannon Group they did breaking They did Break

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into Electric Boogloo. Both great movies they did over the top.

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I just watched a movie my good friend Jeff Johnson

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maybe watched the other day called Invaders from Mars. Oh, yeah,

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they did Masters of the Universe. I mean, these guys

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wheeled and deal their way into major Hollywood movies.

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Speaker 2: There were several decently made movies in there, literally hundreds

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of movies or a handful that they were a successful with.

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But it only takes a handful and then you got

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some money to go buy up Superman, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean in their formula was you know, guns, boobs

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and you know, you know, shoot them up stuff, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they had a pretty good thing to

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one with Charles Bronson and Chuck Norris when you think

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about it, lots of good I mean quality entertainment. You know,

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if you're like you said, if you want the guns

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and the boobs and the explosion, you're watching a cannon movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So when they get a script, the question was

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which Chuck, Yeah, Chuck Norris to give it to Chuck Brownson.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know, we could do a whole other episode

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just on the fact that they beat Rambo to the

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box office by fast tracking the Chuck Norris movies Missing

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in Action.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was that's a great story too, because

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they filmed Part one and Part two at the same time,

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and then and they watched them and they're like, wow,

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part two is way better than Part one, which came

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out with good with the bad movie first. So they

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literally they released Part two first and then made Part

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one a prequel.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy, because isn't it a Missing in Action two?

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The beginning is like the title of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was like the Return of Braddock

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or something like that.

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Speaker 5: I think that was ERD.

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Speaker 4: That's three okay, Raddick one is I don't even remember

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Missing an Action, but Missing in Action two. You don't

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need any need to see the others. It's just a

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good movie itself.

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Speaker 2: It's a fun movie.

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Speaker 3: It was on HBO about every third movie all the time.

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Speaker 5: But again it goes back to their just the hustlers

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that these guys were missing in action too. The beginning

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comes out, it blows the doors off of everyone's expectations,

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and then all of a sudden, you're like, wait, where's

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where's the first one? Did I miss it?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: And then they bring that out and you're and you're.

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Speaker 3: Like, uh huh, I think I just rewatched two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Have you guys seen Life Force?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I love Life Force.

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Speaker 4: Actually have a copy. Jeff made me buy it. Oh

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my god, Jeff gave me a no hurl guarantee. On

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the director's cut of Life Force.

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Speaker 5: I did a screen factory put out a gorgeous, like

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two K resolution steel book with a ton of extras.

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This was one of those movies Brad and I saw

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back when we were seventeen and Friday night we were

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hitting Blockbuster and it was just like randomly like, hey,

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let's check this out. You know, we had a couple

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other uh, there were a couple of girls that we

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that we hung out with, and Brad wasn't one of

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them that that chose Life Force, and kind of inner

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induced us to it, and we're like space.

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Speaker 4: Would have been, and they probably regretted it. About five

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minutes into it is Untilda May is naked. You know,

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thirty percent of the.

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Speaker 3: Movie naked space vampires.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, would you like to have the director's cut exactly?

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Speaker 4: I think you can say that the Cannon guys kind

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of did the exploitation films of the eighties. They knew

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the video market. They knew the turnaround to get into

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you didn't need a long run in the theater. You

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knew that the video markets would pick it up. I mean,

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there wasn't just your big video chain. Gas stations were

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renting videos. There was a video place everywhere. They knew

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their market.

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately they had no money. When they decided to

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make Supermen for right.

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Speaker 3: They slashed the budget from thirty six to seventeen million dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. So the other part that Christopher Reeve demanded,

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other than the six million dollars salary and writing power

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in the movie, is that they would fund his pet project,

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which is called Street Smart. Have you guys seen that

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I have?

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Speaker 5: You're talking without Morgan Freeman.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it was like Morgan Freeman's breakout role. I

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think he was nominated, mate, did he win the Oscar?

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I can't remember. He was at least nominated from him.

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Speaker 5: He was nominated that if you haven't seen it, it

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is definitely worth watching. Really, okay, see seeing these two

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guys way out of their element.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: And I don't want to give away a bunch stuff

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about the movie, but yeah, I would, just I would.

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I would recommend it seeing Christopher Reeve. Anytime you see

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Christopher Reeve not playing Clark Kent Superman is always to

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me it's fun.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: We talked about death Trap recently and how incredible he

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is in that film Street Smart. Same thing, like, you know,

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get if you want a totally different take on what

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Christopher ee can do, check that one out.

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Speaker 3: Think about this for a second. Richard Donner does Lethal Weapon.

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Chris Reeve is on the short list to play Martin Riggs. Real, wow,

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how how different is that series? You know?

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Speaker 5: I don't even know if I can. I can't even

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see it in my head. I really can't.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's mel Gibson was so awesome in that. I mean,

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he is Riggs.

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Speaker 4: But how different the whole Superman series would have been

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If the Salcons wouldn't have fired him off of Superman two,

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we could have had three to four Richard Donner Superman

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no Lethal Weapon, Maybe.

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Speaker 5: I would sacrifice a Richard Donner or Superman three and

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four in order to get a leath the weapon one

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and two.

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Speaker 2: I'll trade. I'll make that trade me too, good call.

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So they get a director. This guy's name Sidney J. Feur.

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I hadn't heard of him, because here's why I think

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we've maybe even talked about this before. I still haven't

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seen Iron Eagle. Oh there you go. Top Gun was

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the fighter pilot movie for me of nineteen eighty six,

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and that was all I needed. I didn't need to

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go see Iron Eagle, but that was his one success,

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if you want to call it that. Now, if you

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look at IMDb rankings and you like put it on

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a grading scale, he's got fifty seven directorial credits. You

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are going to be hard pressed to find any that

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are better than a failing grade. Like, there's just none

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that are above a six point zho hardly at all,

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even Iron Eagles at a five point four D.

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Speaker 5: Can I give it? Can I throw one more of

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his credits just to give him a little more, just

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just to defend him, if you will. Yeah, I don't

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know where it ranks. It might it's probably be at

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a six or above. But let's not forget nineteen eighty two.

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He gave us the entity with.

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Speaker 4: Barbara Hershey's and that's to this day, that's still is

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one of the scary movies.

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Speaker 5: I think I've seen.

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Speaker 3: Resounding success at A six point seven. Hey, right, right,

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h Hey. I'll tell you two guys that they offered

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the director chair two number one. They offered it to

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Richard Lester done part two and part three yep. And

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then they also offered it to Wes Craven and also

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offered it to Richard Donner. Well, I know, right, Wes

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Craven though, hot off of Nightmare in El Street, Hey,

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we want to make Superman. That's interesting. And then they

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go back to Richard Donner and they say, hey, Man

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come back. Yeah, And he actually thought about it and

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actually been doing Leath the Weapon, right, he was busy

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doing Leath the Weapon. Yeah, Okay, I mean you think

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about it Superman one. When you go back and Rewatch,

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You're like, man, this is really good. He had that

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word that he abided by the very similitude, like we

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live in Superman's universe. Everything that happens in this movie

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has to be real and it has to be accepted

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as factual. In this superhero world we live in, you

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don't have the don't walk and walk sign fighting each other.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, that is one of the That is one

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of the ugly marks against Superman three.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that, Thank you. I don't disagree

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with that. Yeah, I roll the weather with the computer.

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Speaker 3: And play an atari against Superman.

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Speaker 2: But but to be to be fair, to be fair.

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Even in super Man one, you had a bit of

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ridiculous reach. Whenever he discovers where the kryptonite is, he

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slides the ladder over to a book in his bookcase

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and is like, oh, there was a meteor found in

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South America. Well let's go down there. It's all of

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a sudden he's got kryptonite. I mean, there are holes

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that happen even in the best of the Superman movies.

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I think it is now time for us to jump

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into the massive bag of craft that a Superman for

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and talk about what they got wrong.

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Speaker 3: Should we start with what they get right? Or we

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want to go straight?

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Speaker 2: What's going to be a short list? We can do that.

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Speaker 5: Do you know what I can do with a single

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strand up Superman's here.

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Speaker 4: If you make it you pay them flies.

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Speaker 5: It would be a short, very short list for what

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they got right.

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Speaker 2: I will say this, the story idea is one that

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could have been good.

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Speaker 6: Dude, this worldwide nuclear war for your own personal financial gain.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants war. I just want to keep the threat lush. Yes,

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that you when the idea of having a villain that

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has the same powers, which I mean admittedly they had

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that in Superman too, but if you've got one that

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is controlled by Lex Luthor, his biggest nemesis, that lends

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itself to some good possibilities. I don't think you need

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the nuclear war stuff. I don't think you.

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Speaker 3: Wait, we're not talking about bad stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. I got much too

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much to say about that. But just story idea wise,

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the idea of creating another super creature is actually a

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good idea, and it will work. We've seen it work.

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The movie is called Mega Mind.

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Speaker 4: There you go, right, I mean, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean Brad's new Father here, but we've all seen that movie, right.

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I mean they take the DNA of the departed superhero

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and they create what they are thinking is going to

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be another superhero but turns out to be a super villain.

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They could have totally done that with this movie and

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had a great movie. You know, maybe Superman's ready to

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retire and so somebody finds a way to duplicate him

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and then that guy ends up being evil. That becomes

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a good movie that way.

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Speaker 5: One thing that definitely works for me is his address

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to the un I think aside and I'm not talking

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like the production of it, because it definitely looks cheap

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the way he walks in, but his dialogue there and

477
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,799
Christopher Reeve's performance in that moment I think is one

478
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,200
of the better moments of this movie. It's very heartfelt.

479
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,519
You can tell Superman truly wants to do something for

480
00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:03,039
humanity that we can't do for ourselves. And I love

481
00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:03,960
that moment in the film.

482
00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 8: And there will be peace.

483
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,759
Speaker 6: There will be peace when the people of the world

484
00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:10,200
want it so badly that their governments will have no

485
00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:15,000
choice but to give it to them. I just wish

486
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:16,240
you could all see the earth the way that I

487
00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:19,640
see it, because when you really look at it, it's

488
00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:20,359
just one worm.

489
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,759
Speaker 2: Just the backstory on that. In order to get Christopher

490
00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:26,319
Reeve to come back as Superman, they had to offer

491
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,240
him an obscene amount of money, which they did, and

492
00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:32,119
then they had to offer him some writing power in

493
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,640
the script and that was his key piece that he

494
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,079
wanted in the script, is that he wanted to address

495
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,519
the nuclear arms conflict that was going on and how

496
00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:43,839
Superman was going to deal with that. And so, yeah,

497
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,920
I agree with you. I think in that moment we

498
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:49,839
get the Superman of Superman one where he is he's

499
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,359
all about you know, truth, justice in the American way.

500
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 4: Actually, I'm gonna flip your guys's review because I think

501
00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:01,759
the nuclear war thing works better than the Nuclear Man thing.

502
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,079
I think the first half of the film up unto

503
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,240
the like the un speech, is actually not bad. The

504
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:12,839
actual intent of yeah, what would you do if there

505
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,400
really was a Superman? You probably want to get rid

506
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,480
of all the nuclear warheads, It's like, and there's a

507
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,039
few key scenes where Christopher Reeve is really struggling being

508
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,319
like what do I do?

509
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 3: What do I do?

510
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,279
Speaker 4: And when he does that little thing with like when

511
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,559
Lois comes and visits him and he just takes her

512
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:31,680
off the balcony and flies there, you can just tell

513
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,119
he he has no one to talk to and when

514
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,799
he bad stuff already, this is good stuff, No this

515
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,200
is good stuff. When he tells her that thing of

516
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:44,519
never put any one thing above the rest, you know

517
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,240
of what Krypton had told you know is leaders of

518
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,880
Krypton had told him to do. I think works up

519
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,799
until the un speech. The movie is not that awful.

520
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,440
I think some of that works. The intent of Superman

521
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,000
for was I think heartfelt, and then it just goes

522
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,880
off the rails.

523
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: This is my nephew, Lenny. He worships me, the dude

524
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,519
to steal.

525
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,559
Speaker 3: Where are you gonna get it? So you're cool with

526
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:15,079
right up until the point the Superman becomes like a

527
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,519
maniacal tyrant at that point, Yeah, basically.

528
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: For life. Yeah, the storyline of the guy taking over

529
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,559
the paper is straight out of the comic books and

530
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,279
Morgan Edge. He's the Morgan Edge character, which wow, we get.

531
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,960
Of course when we do Superman and Lois, we get

532
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,680
a great version of that. Like you recognize it now right.

533
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,559
Speaker 3: Check out our other podcast, the podcast Full of Kryptonite,

534
00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:42,000
where we go through the CW show Superman and lows.

535
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are not afraid to plug anything. But you've

536
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,319
got that and even the storyline with Jeremy and you know,

537
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,519
Superman should be the one that cures the nuclear weapon

538
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:56,000
problem that we have. That I think it was a

539
00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:57,839
storyline in the comics as well.

540
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: It's just you just said the word Jeremy and shifting

541
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,480
to bad stuff.

542
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: I just I'm just saying good, bad, or indifferent. They

543
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,039
were a part of the original comic book. I mean yeah,

544
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:09,759
they were a part of comic book storylines.

545
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,519
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to say something. Get this off my chest. Really,

546
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,279
the one thing that works for me is the cast.

547
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,359
You have Christopher Reeveback. You have Gene Hackman, you have

548
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,960
Margo Kidder. You've got maryel Hemingway, who is a babe

549
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,720
in nineteen eighty seven. You have John Cryer, who his

550
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,160
character is kind of stupid, but he's he's a legit

551
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,519
actor and he's done some good stuff since then.

552
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 6: Plenty of my loud mouth nephew gets his energy from

553
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,759
the sun without it, he's like you at night.

554
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,519
Speaker 3: So the cast since then, yeah, I mean, you know,

555
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:44,279
at the time, not so much. Okay. You have Mark Pillow.

556
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: Hold up his arms look great.

557
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,839
Speaker 3: His did look very good. You have the teacher in

558
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,079
the school is actually the the lady in kindergarten cop

559
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,799
who is getting beat up by her husband that Schwarzenegger

560
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:05,559
steps in and helps her out with thank you film deabus.

561
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:09,720
I believe Christopher Reeve, Gene Hackman, Margo Kidder. That just

562
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,079
stopped right there. We're headed in the right direction. We've

563
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,000
got something to build on. We're ready to go.

564
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,279
Speaker 2: And then at d Rails.

565
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: One more thing about the cast, and I can't remember

566
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:20,839
the guy's name.

567
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 5: You guys have to help me o this.

568
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,279
Speaker 3: The dude who plays Porkins in Star.

569
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,319
Speaker 5: Wars, William William Hookins.

570
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:33,839
Speaker 4: Yes, Dirty coppin Batman, Yes, Lieutenant Eckhart at cart Yeah,

571
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,359
think about the future.

572
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 3: Yes.

573
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 4: And if you look to the left or right of him,

574
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,680
the not the guy that's the mad Russian. The other

575
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,640
guy that is Oscar winner Jim Broadband.

576
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,279
Speaker 5: I was blown away when I saw this recently.

577
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 4: This movie has two Oscar winning actors in it.

578
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,519
Speaker 2: It's impressive that the two. I mean, they're so campy,

579
00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:58,359
those guys. But you've got You've got William s Houtkins.

580
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,079
Speaker 3: He's Porkins in Star Wars, he's at Art in Batman.

581
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 5: Let's not forget Major Eaton and Raiders.

582
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: Yep, top Man, Top Men Men, Yes, he's Munson and

583
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,720
Flash Gordon right, and to tie the other guy in.

584
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,160
You've got your Oscar winning British actor who's been in

585
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,279
I mean, too many things to mention, let's just say

586
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,839
Harry Potter throw that out there, right.

587
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: And you've got William A. Hootkins.

588
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: The Russian guy was the doctor who was in Flash

589
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,640
Gordon as well. Which doctor the doctor When they've got

590
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,480
him tied to the table and they're about to like

591
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:32,599
do whatever the mind meld thing is that they wait.

592
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 4: Not the ball worms, the balls.

593
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,559
Speaker 2: You got it? That's him?

594
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 5: Oh wow, Yeah, Okay, hey, I'll just say this, you know,

595
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,160
because it ties to the cast. Also one more, one

596
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,039
more thing that works for this movie and maybe the

597
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,200
heart of the movie because they've been in all the others.

598
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,440
Jackie Cooper and mart McClure playing Harry White, Jimmy Olsen. Yes,

599
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,000
those guys. Their performance in this movie is just as

600
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,920
good as it was in Superman the movie Superman two.

601
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,440
Granted they don't have a whole lot they have to

602
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,960
do for us, but I appreciate their performances.

603
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,039
Speaker 2: I can just see Jackie Cooper saying, Okay, I'm gonna

604
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,480
play this part, but I want to be able to

605
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:13,079
leave right after the beginning of the movie and come

606
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,759
back right before the end. That's all I'm gonna be there.

607
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: And the thing is his speech at the end on

608
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:20,839
how he got the company back. It's actually a pretty

609
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:21,359
good scene.

610
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:21,599
Speaker 6: You know.

611
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: He's like, yes, right, I left, and he's like, I've

612
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,960
done enough stories on corporate takeovers where I've been doing

613
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,079
my research, and I got you. I got my investors

614
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:33,440
to buy you out. It's not a bad scene.

615
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: It was a little bit quick. I was like, wait,

616
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:40,480
what just happened? Yeah, yeah, planted just a few scenes. Yeah.

617
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,319
Speaker 4: I got a little annoyed with Mark McClure in this movie,

618
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:45,759
actually all of them. Yeah, I'm not a big Superman.

619
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: Jimmy Olsen, how you?

620
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,799
Speaker 3: Oh what a scoop?

621
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: Hey?

622
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,079
Speaker 3: He was in one, two, three, Supergirl, and four and

623
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,400
he was also in Justice League.

624
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: Oh right, a man of steel if I remember, right? Anything?

625
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: Is there anything else good? We can say?

626
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: I can't think of anything. I mean, there may be

627
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:07,799
something that comes up along the way.

628
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: But yeah, it might come up. It might come up

629
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:09,960
along the way.

630
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:13,799
Speaker 2: Craptastic, craptastic and then a little more past. Okay, so

631
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,680
let's begin with the opening scene of the Russians in

632
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:22,079
space and a random piece of spacecraft just happens to

633
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,519
go and hit one of these guys.

634
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: And nails him out of nowhere.

635
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: It doesn't kill him, despite the fact that traveling close

636
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:33,119
to the speeded light and good news, Superman just happens

637
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,359
to be flying in space at that moment, and we

638
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,680
get this scene where we're looking at Superman coming at

639
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,440
the camera. If you will pay attention when you watch

640
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:46,319
this movie, you get the identical cut in every single

641
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,359
moment that we see Superman flying. They give us the

642
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:51,880
exact I mean, like he cape flies the same way.

643
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,759
And if I'll just throw it out there, you're gonna

644
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,240
remember the part where he's flying through the subway. M h.

645
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,599
It's the same scene, Like he does the exact same

646
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,039
back in fourth I mean, I just thought, could you

647
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,720
not have filmed two takes and maybe just switched it

648
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,519
up a little bit. I think there's probably seven or

649
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,720
eight different times that you see the exact same Superman

650
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:11,880
flying at the camera.

651
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,799
Speaker 5: And poorly done too. It's it's almost like rotoscoped.

652
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't believe a man can fly, No.

653
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 5: I believe a man can cut and paste an image,

654
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:20,960
is what.

655
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: I maybe thinking that Alfonso Koran was watching the beginning

656
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,079
of this movie was like, I'm gonna make a whole

657
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:29,400
movie about this. So maybe we got gravity because of

658
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,640
the beginning of Superman for but probably not. What doesn't

659
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:39,680
work a nuclear Man destroy Superman. First, I have fun Man,

660
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:44,200
nuclear Man, nuclear Man, that scream, and then he gets this,

661
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,359
like later on in the film, he gets this after scream.

662
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:53,920
This like this extra like almost like raptor scream. Scream

663
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:58,279
was driving me crazy. It just it went from I

664
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:02,400
feel like a political kind of drama type of thing

665
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,799
that you maybe you would see in like an episode

666
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,519
of Smallville too, just a we don't know, just keep going,

667
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:10,960
just finish the movie somehow, and and I feel like

668
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,759
that's what they did. Even the battle sequences, they're barely moving.

669
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:20,039
He gives me that weak punch in the back and like, yeah,

670
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,240
even in Superman two, so I mean, let's see Superman

671
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:26,480
two was what nineteen eighty eighty one. Even the fight seques,

672
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:28,039
but these ones.

673
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:28,519
Speaker 3: Were so bad.

674
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: I felt like there were like two teenagers that have

675
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:33,880
never fought before being like, Oh, come on, I'm gonna

676
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,519
hit you.

677
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: You hit me?

678
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,279
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I'm gonna hit you. It was very

679
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:40,920
weak as far as the fighting stuff, and everything is

680
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:44,640
slow mode. They were going so slow. The subway crash

681
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,559
or the subway thing there is, yeah, there's that shot,

682
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,079
that repeating shot. There is never a scene where he

683
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,000
is touching the subway. They cut it to where he's

684
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:59,000
just like, I'm gonna stop it, and then the thing

685
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,039
stops and then he has to say, oh, just let

686
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:03,480
everyone know. Even though the sky passed out and almost

687
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:05,599
killed all of you, it is still the safest way

688
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,480
to head, you know, transportation, like, no, it's not. It

689
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:10,799
is not if your drivers are passing out.

690
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: They were trying to go for the first showing of

691
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,720
Superman and Superman one whenever he rescues her from the

692
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,799
helicopter crash and still flying, it's the safest form of travel,

693
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:23,319
and they were going for that, and they missed it

694
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:26,079
so badly. But you've made a great point is that

695
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:30,119
they obviously they'd cut their budget in half. Special effects

696
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,880
are obviously significantly gone. But I think this is the

697
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,160
key kind of conundrum for me on these two movies

698
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,599
is that in Superman four, it's terrible because they don't

699
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:42,160
show you any special effects.

700
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,799
Speaker 3: And in Jaws, the revenge. It's terrible because they show

701
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,720
you some really awful special effects, so you can go

702
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,799
too far in either direction. You got to show us

703
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,880
a little bit. I mean, at the very least show

704
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,400
me his hand touching the front of the subway. Just

705
00:33:57,599 --> 00:33:59,680
I mean, it doesn't even have to be fast, you know,

706
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,799
just speed up the camera or whatever you like. But

707
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:06,440
but nothing, you show me nothing at all. That's just

708
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,119
bad editing. But was there just in case?

709
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah?

710
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,679
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is too soon, But I

711
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,199
didn't know that Marriel Hemingway could breathe in space.

712
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 3: Well there, Okay, you're making my list of most ludicrous

713
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,559
moments right there.

714
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 4: I didn't want to forget about it. But and the

715
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,559
thing is, I knew it was coming. I knew it

716
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:29,559
was coming, and I was trying to talk myself into it, saying,

717
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:33,000
maybe it's not as bad as you remember. Maybe they're

718
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,320
just really high up in the air and it's dark

719
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,480
outside and they're not really in space. And it got

720
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,159
that way till she looks down and the Earth is

721
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,119
like tiny, like so far, and she was just like,

722
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,599
oh no, the Earth is all the way down there,

723
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,000
and I'm like, how did this get past anybody who

724
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:56,360
saw this part and said we should keep this in

725
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,119
the film, because this was There was a two hour

726
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,840
version of this film, and they cut out a half hour,

727
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,440
but they said, no, I'm sticking to my guns. We're

728
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:05,920
keeping the scene where Merrill Hemingway can breathe in space.

729
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: Breathing space, and then Bradley still affects her even she's

730
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,000
one hundred of miles above the stort or.

731
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: You know the fact that it might be freezing cold

732
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:13,559
up there.

733
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: I mean before obviously that happens. We have a reintroduction

734
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,159
of another thing from the earlier Superman Superman two, the

735
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:22,519
super Kiss Clark.

736
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 7: You've gotta go with your gut.

737
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: Superman's frustrated because Little Jeremy has called him out for

738
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,320
not doing anything about nuclear war. They print in their

739
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,719
tabloid new tabloid version of The Daily Planet that Superman says,

740
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,400
drop dead.

741
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 6: Kid.

742
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: Wait, that is a throwback of a real historical event,

743
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,599
Gerald Ford in the seventies. The state of New York

744
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,360
was asking for help and for a federal aid, and

745
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:53,559
jeroff Ford said no, And the paper said New York

746
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,119
City can drop dead was how they phrased it. So

747
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,800
he's got this internal struggle going on and dealing with that,

748
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,360
and so to help him through that situation, he decides

749
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,239
to show Lewis Lane who he really is again, and

750
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,519
then he takes her on an around the world flying

751
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:15,719
journey where she's absolutely terrified but can also fly a

752
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,840
little bit herself. There's one point I took a picture

753
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,000
and I shared it with Jason. I may have shared

754
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:23,519
it with you too, Jeffy. Yep, when he throws her

755
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:26,719
like she's still kind of flying but obviously freaked out.

756
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,599
This is again right out of Mega mind, right. I

757
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:30,519
can see the guys in Mega mind going, oh, we

758
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,079
got to have a part where he like throws her

759
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:33,639
and lets her fall so he can save her and

760
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,239
be the ero. So but there's that point and as

761
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,760
he's catching her, you can see his foot go down

762
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,079
in front of her and stand on invisible air.

763
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: I think I was just thinking, I'm like, man, Superman's

764
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,679
got a six months. They hear me. He's like, hey,

765
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,079
there you go, and he just lets her go because

766
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,440
she starts to go down. She's still flying, but she's

767
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,840
going down. I'm like that is terrifying, you know, and

768
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,199
it's like, you go, I'll.

769
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,519
Speaker 3: Tell you my fourteen year older like, oh gosh, this

770
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:05,719
will scare the crap out of her.

771
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what's terrifying is I now have to

772
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,679
question how often does Superman do this to Loisy? You know,

773
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,840
because he's probably saving a fortune in therapy, you know,

774
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,159
because anytime he's got something bugging him, he just goes

775
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:20,639
and lays one on Lois and Hey, I'm Superman and

776
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,719
here's here's what's happening. And why does he have to

777
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,360
reveal the secret Doe? I? I don't you know, couldn't

778
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,599
Superman just fly down to Lewis's apartment and say, Hey,

779
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:29,440
I'm having some trouble.

780
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: What do you think? Can we talk about the escape

781
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,960
from jail for Lex? Yeah, that's the most ridiculous jail

782
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,480
break in movie history. Somebody pulls up and says, listen,

783
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:44,199
check out my stereo. Right, Lenny's car is absurd.

784
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,039
Speaker 4: What's more absurd Lenny's car or Lex Luther's nineteen twenties

785
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,320
bomber outfit towards the end of the film and thinking

786
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,599
we're gonna lay low for a while and they're in

787
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,559
like a ridiculously glad car and he's dressed like, how

788
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,079
are you gonna lay load dressed like that.

789
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 3: He looks like Snoopy dressed as the red bearing.

790
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

791
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:10,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, look here's what I'll go ahead and ask the question.

792
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,960
Because Lex is clearly on the work farm that John

793
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:18,679
Rambo is on exactly busting rock without doubt. How do

794
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,679
you just roll up past security and your outlandish the

795
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,440
lineamobile as I call it, his name's all over it.

796
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: How do you just roll up?

797
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 5: And then and the cops are like, hey, check this out.

798
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely we can climb and they draw on their guns.

799
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,559
Speaker 2: And so once once again you have a special effect

800
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,320
that should be there that's not there, and then this

801
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,719
one is there. It's guilty on both because it shows

802
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,039
you the special effect which it should never have shown you.

803
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:48,519
So they he remote controls of the car. It goes

804
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:52,000
flying off of the cliff. When you see it fly

805
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,800
off the cliff, you can see the bottom of the

806
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,800
hot wheels car. Yeah, it is a black flat matt

807
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,400
bottomed the car, which is just absurd.

808
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:05,199
Speaker 3: And then you should see an explosion.

809
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: Right now you don't, and just much funny high high

810
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,039
off of the cliff and there is fire at least

811
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:16,039
coming out. They just crawl over the edge unscathed. I

812
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,119
think that they should have been the super villains because

813
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:19,679
they have obvious superpowers.

814
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,679
Speaker 5: The super villain here is the second unit director who

815
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,039
took seventeen million dollars and told his kid, take that

816
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:27,159
hot wheel, throw it in the sky, that he's going

817
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,239
to just film it.

818
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: It's awful. When I watched those guys climb out basically unscathed.

819
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,199
I think about the very similitude of Richard Donner. This

820
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,840
is how far we've fallen. That scene alone is so bad.

821
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,599
It's just it's just unacceptable.

822
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: And then we have what I still think is like

823
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:49,079
the good idea of taking Superman's DNA to make another

824
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:50,480
Did you guys know that they're supposed to be two

825
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:51,960
nuclear men like the film?

826
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I read that. Yeah.

827
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: The first guy that was supposed to be a yeah,

828
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,320
supposed to be more of a Bizarro kind of character

829
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,440
who worked even less well then the second one, which

830
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,639
is hard to imagine. But anyway, you've got the good

831
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,760
idea of let's take a strand of Superman's hair. I

832
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,639
even like the idea that they have the hair in

833
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,039
the Superman Museum so that you get the idea of

834
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,599
how strong it is. But then but.

835
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:17,039
Speaker 3: Then ls Luther walks right up and just like clips

836
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:17,599
it takes it.

837
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: He daytime going on with these wire cutters that he

838
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,599
bought at home depot. Superman's hair is not going to

839
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:28,599
be cut with wire cutters. It's crazy.

840
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,639
Speaker 3: Do you see the thousand pounds weight cut it? But

841
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,280
he just snip snips and takes it away. And then

842
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:38,039
we see him in the lab making some sort of

843
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:41,719
go and then somehow all it takes is to sneak

844
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,800
into a nuclear launching pad. Is that you just got

845
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,039
to step in line and wear a uniform yep. Yeah.

846
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:52,679
Speaker 4: And there that little concoction that he puts in there,

847
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:57,119
which almost is like a baby chicken or what looks

848
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:01,280
like the ginger that comes on there your with like sushi.

849
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,079
Speaker 2: What is that thing? It's just it just.

850
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: Oh man, can we talk about Nuclear Man go for

851
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,920
the ridiculousness of him.

852
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

853
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,599
Speaker 2: So the spawn of Nuclear Man is that the missile,

854
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,320
like the all the other missiles that Superman has thrown

855
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,880
into the sun with his giant net. Wherever that might

856
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,719
have come from.

857
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: He got it from the same place they Yeah, so

858
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,400
Lex Luthor knows that Superman's throwing all the nukes they're

859
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,960
shooting up into the sky, into the sun.

860
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why the military is still shooting these

861
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,599
things up, but he knows it's happening. And so the

862
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,159
key catalyst for the Superman while Sabbi ginger sauce that

863
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,800
he's made, is that it has to be thrown into

864
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,480
the sun. And so I'll just send it to Superman

865
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:48,360
and he'll do my dirty work for me. And then

866
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,440
when the thing goes into the sun, a fetus comes out.

867
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,199
Speaker 6: A car.

868
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: I can't go on from there.

869
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:01,679
Speaker 4: I just it's so funny that you said that, because

870
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,920
as it was watching this last night, I was watching

871
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,559
it on HBO Max and my internet slowed down and

872
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:14,320
the movie pauses right at the fetus last night for

873
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,239
what felt like thirty seconds or a minute, and I'm like,

874
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,199
am I gonna.

875
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: Have to this?

876
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:23,679
Speaker 4: It's just stuck on my screen, this fetus. So it

877
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,800
was just like finally it kicked back on, but I'm like,

878
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,239
I'm just sitting there staring at the fetus. Felt like

879
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,000
an eternity.

880
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,039
Speaker 3: Your WiFi was going what in there?

881
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 4: It was, It's like I think my WiFi was like

882
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,639
why are you watching this?

883
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: Why are you wasting?

884
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: Why are you wasting.

885
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that brings up thank you guys for making the

886
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,239
sacrifice to watch these two movies. I went for it.

887
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,119
Speaker 4: I went. I watched Jaws three, Jaws four, Superman three,

888
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,840
Superman four. I've had so much junk of movie watching

889
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,000
in the last couple of nights.

890
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: So let me I get a question. This is personal

891
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,400
question for you. Were you holding your newborn son during

892
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,639
any of these watching.

893
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: Some of them?

894
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:05,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them?

895
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually yes, you may need to expose him to

896
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,159
a lot more good stuff. So that stuff.

897
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:13,079
Speaker 4: I was explaining it to him. I was like, this

898
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:15,800
is there's a purpose in all this, son, I promise

899
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,519
you I will explain later.

900
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,559
Speaker 3: Hey, you know what we we glazed over. We talked,

901
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,239
we brought it up, but we just kind of glazed

902
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,320
it over. But nuclear Jeremy standing up in front of

903
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,960
his class, I'll tell you what work. We gotta get

904
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,360
Superman to get the nukes.

905
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 8: I tell you I'd write a letter too, that would

906
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:32,800
do some good.

907
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,159
Speaker 3: Santa Claus, no Superman.

908
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: I was like, shut the up, Jeremy, you're saying Jeremy

909
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:48,119
spoke in class. Basically, Pearl Jam's Jeremy is actually about Superman.

910
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,440
For the quest for peace.

911
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 3: I am dead now. Oh god, hilarious. I want somebody

912
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,360
to make that video I met Jeremy will be I

913
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,119
will play it in this right. Oh gosh.

914
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, Let's talk about Jeremy for a second, because even

915
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:06,880
if you couldn't get a better actor, because that kid's awful.

916
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,400
Just his delivery. First off, he's looking out the window,

917
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,960
he's not paying attention. He kind of gives some attitude

918
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,360
to the teacher, and every time you see him, he's

919
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,840
just like, yeah, Superman. There is not one likable thing

920
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,039
about this kid, not one.

921
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And they're watching the news in social

922
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,719
studies class or what I mean, what's going on there?

923
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,239
Such cheap, yeah, question, so cheap. Jeremy needed to be

924
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,079
sent to attention immediately and then swats you know?

925
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: So so nuclear man is a fetus and then a

926
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,639
man and then a completely clothed man somehow.

927
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,159
Speaker 3: By the way, I'd love to give you a hard

928
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:46,000
time about you keep saying nuclear but they but Gene

929
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:47,719
Hackman does it the entire movie too.

930
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:48,679
Speaker 2: He does.

931
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 5: If Hackman can do it, that's exactly I got the pronunciation.

932
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: You know what the sun is, it's nothing more than

933
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:01,639
a huge nuclear bomb.

934
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 5: Quoting Jae's four, Brad just says, my gear crept out rebooting. Now, hey,

935
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:18,599
hey my gear old crap. I pay Spectrum top dollars,

936
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:23,559
so I'm always on. That's gold Man. Oh good lord,

937
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,199
you guys are bringing the game today.

938
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,199
Speaker 2: I think you need to leave that in.

939
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,519
Speaker 4: See, as soon as I started talking about the Internet

940
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:39,320
screwed up, it's actually been fat hopefully it does. It

941
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,960
hurt me talking about and it said, yeah, that's right.

942
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,679
You watch that bad movie last week.

943
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,639
Speaker 2: We thought that Brad had been eaten by a shark

944
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,440
and taking down to the bottom of the ocean. It

945
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:49,159
turns back.

946
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: He's He's okay, he is alive and no problems.

947
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 5: The breath on that thing.

948
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: Yes, so nuclear Man not only spawns in three seconds

949
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,440
from his fetus, he spawns fully clothed with costume and

950
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:09,159
with some really messed up fingernails. What is that about? Why?

951
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 5: Okay, So, when him and Lenny are doing this mister

952
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,840
Wizard thing with their their beakers and the bubbling stuff,

953
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,719
Luther takes a scrap of of like a garment and

954
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,760
he's going to add that to the mix with the DNA.

955
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,000
And because Lenny, I remember Lenny's like, uh, that's not

956
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:29,079
enough to clothe him, and Gene Hackman's explanation that I

957
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,719
don't even remember what it is because it's just so

958
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,920
stupefying him with him. Yeah, he's like, oh, that's right.

959
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,559
The computer inside will do something for us. I'm like,

960
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,159
the computer and the fabric, the computer? What computer? Because

961
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,199
are we talking nanotechnology? Because I don't get it.

962
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: Hey, I missed that line completely. I must have completely

963
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,079
toned out. I think I got hungry for Chinese.

964
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,519
Speaker 5: But well, speaking speaking of getting hungry, I'll tell you

965
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:59,280
right now, and I know I don't mean to jump

966
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,840
back to the again, but talk about taking a good

967
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,360
idea and totally ruining it. The opening title sequence with

968
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,480
the names flying in. I love that in Superman. I

969
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,159
love it in Superman two. Did you guys notice how

970
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:13,559
I'll tell you right now. If you blink you missed

971
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,400
four names. If you got up to go to the

972
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,360
get your Chinese food or the bathroom, that seems over,

973
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:21,000
I mean they fly by. I don't know if that's

974
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,639
just people going. I know people have to I know

975
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:24,880
my name has to be on this, but I don't

976
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,239
want people to see it. If you could just speed

977
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,000
the camera, you know, times ten.

978
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,599
Speaker 3: The opening credits, they're they're terrible, awful, maybe the last

979
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:36,840
thing added or something like that. You know, they we

980
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,360
still had twelve dollars. Okay, give me the best you got, you.

981
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, d Why does Nuclear Man have saber tooth

982
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:44,880
foring youernails?

983
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: Well, the answer is because it's a plot point that

984
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,000
they could have to use later later on.

985
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 3: Is it Is it really a plot point?

986
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,159
Speaker 2: It absolutely is.

987
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: I mean, so he scratches him one time and makes

988
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:55,480
him sick.

989
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,599
Speaker 2: I know, but I mean that you won't know that

990
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:01,280
that's what's going on unless you see those absurdly long fingernails, right,

991
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,599
and so yes, that brings us to Brad's point earlier

992
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:08,960
that this was literally the worst fight choreography in the

993
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,239
history of fights. They look like they were trying to

994
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,519
hug each other and then smack each other with their palms.

995
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:17,079
Speaker 3: I mean, it was.

996
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 2: It was terrible. Let's not forget that Nuclear Man somehow

997
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,920
knows to come to Lex Luthor's place. That must be

998
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,280
part of that nanotechnology you're talking about. And then what

999
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,599
is his weakness. It's the shade he melts like the

1000
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:35,679
witch off of Wizard of Oz as soon as he

1001
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,480
walks into the shade. I mean it's not even like

1002
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,239
completely closed off. It's like you're not directly in the sunlight.

1003
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,559
All your battery power is immediately eliminated and you crumple

1004
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,199
like a bag of class. Yeah.

1005
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: Sure, and the fact that you know, Lex Luthor, supposed

1006
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,599
to be the greatest criminal mind of all time, didn't

1007
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:04,000
think that soon Superman might figure this little tidbit out.

1008
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,440
That's a pretty big vulnerability.

1009
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:07,679
Speaker 2: I could beat this guy.

1010
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yourself in a basement.

1011
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: I can beat this guy.

1012
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, lock yourself in a basement. He's never gonna get in.

1013
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: That's it.

1014
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 5: Wait, wait till nine o'clock at night, we all beat him.

1015
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 3: Hey, well, on that point, Superman actually does the like

1016
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,719
the world's greatest defeat of nuclear Man. I'm going to

1017
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,199
take him to the dark side of the moon. He'll

1018
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,360
be permanently in the shade. Nobody can ever get to him.

1019
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,079
It's totally fine, he can stay there forever. We're all good.

1020
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,400
Everybody got to take care. Oh wait, the sun rises.

1021
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I literally when that part happened on that's

1022
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,440
an actual smart move. You're taking him to a spot

1023
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,880
where literally the sun never shines right, literally never shines.

1024
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,440
Next scene, the sun is coming up on the moon.

1025
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:59,519
Speaker 5: You're already up there. Why not, you know, you give

1026
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:03,039
that big a toss of all the nuclear weapons. Why

1027
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,639
not just toss him into like another galaxy. We know

1028
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,360
there's other galaxies because he tells the un there's other galaxies.

1029
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,400
You're tell me that you couldn't just send him to

1030
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,599
some void area of space where there is no sun.

1031
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,039
Speaker 3: He shouldn't have to. He's on the dark side of

1032
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:16,400
the moon.

1033
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:23,199
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure one of your guys's favorite scenes and

1034
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,840
definitely necessary for a movie that had to be cut

1035
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,400
down by thirty minutes, was the double date scene that

1036
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,079
we for some reason needed just for giggles, I guess,

1037
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:38,119
But just what a waste of time.

1038
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: I have pointed out on multiple occasions in this podcast

1039
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:43,239
that a movie has to have some comedy in, it

1040
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,679
has to be funny. Yes, But at that particular scene,

1041
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,960
I started looking at the Wikipedia page for Superman four

1042
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,079
and then going and getting some Chinese food, Like I

1043
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:56,239
was like, Okay, this is useless, so I'm gonna go

1044
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,880
do something else right now. This was I mean, it

1045
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,760
was so bad, It was so not funny in an

1046
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,599
horrible attempt to be funny, and it was just boring.

1047
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, all it needed was a laugh track, and it

1048
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,199
would have played perfectly as any sitcom from the nineteen eighties.

1049
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,199
Oh yeah, that's how I look at it.

1050
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: John Ritter as Superman.

1051
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, perfect, right, there you go.

1052
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,119
Speaker 2: By the way, the TV show, they do absolutely no

1053
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,840
explanation as to why Superman and Clark Kent are doing

1054
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,440
a double date together, why they would ever agree to that.

1055
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:31,199
Speaker 6: That.

1056
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, that's one of the twenty five percent of

1057
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,360
the movie that they cut out. Just introed right into it,

1058
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,639
well we've got a double date. It's with Clark and Superman.

1059
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:40,400
I'm like, okay, here's the thing.

1060
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: Superman could take both those girls and say, look, hey guys, listen,

1061
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,039
I can't really do this.

1062
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:45,679
Speaker 2: This is dumb.

1063
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,199
Speaker 3: I'm Superman. And they'd be like what and he gets

1064
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,400
super kissed both of them, and you know why, Sure,

1065
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,679
the problems very true even with that.

1066
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,639
Speaker 2: I just I remember this, She says, I've known the

1067
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:00,800
whole time. When he's talking to her, and she's, you know, hinting.

1068
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,760
Lois Lane is hinting that she knows who he is,

1069
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:06,280
and he's like, have you do you know you do

1070
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,199
you remember, like the super kiss didn't work, And she's like,

1071
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:16,400
I've note the whole time. I'm like so confused work yeah.

1072
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, oh you don't even know my name.

1073
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:22,039
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, remember Superman too, I know everything. You lost

1074
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:23,039
your powers.

1075
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't kiss enough. Apparently it needs to grab

1076
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,920
her butt too, you know.

1077
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, second base is the memory.

1078
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: That's where they you know, you don't want to put

1079
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,159
her in the hospital, you know, like odomizer or whatever.

1080
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 5: But again, abuse of power, and let's talk let's get briefly,

1081
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,440
let's talk about powers, because I understand you have to

1082
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,280
sometimes do something in a movie that they that's not

1083
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,519
canon to the comic book. It's not cannon to the character.

1084
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,320
The memory wiping kiss being a great example.

1085
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: The ramat Bess keep going.

1086
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 5: Okay, so he has X ray vision, he has heat vision,

1087
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:03,559
and in this movie he has rebuild the Great Wall

1088
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:09,400
of China. Nuclear Man destroys the Great Wall of China.

1089
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Superman looks at it hard and it puts itself back together.

1090
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,440
That's not how it goes.

1091
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:18,599
Speaker 4: Also, he can make things disappear too, Yeah, and makes

1092
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:21,119
his ship disappeared, but just like looks at it and

1093
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:22,079
it just disappears.

1094
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 5: Give me just draw two red lines coming out of

1095
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,280
his eyes, so I know he melted it. He destroyed it, right,

1096
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:29,159
Brad's right, disappearing vision.

1097
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,679
Speaker 4: I feel like he has one more magic trick that

1098
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:33,440
we're forgetting.

1099
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: It's the hitting the baseball into space.

1100
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 4: No, that's just super strength.

1101
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,679
Speaker 3: But I feel like he has one more but the

1102
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,280
baseball and would.

1103
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: Have been destroyed.

1104
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that thing would have been a thousand toothpicks in

1105
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,400
his hand.

1106
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, no, that's that's absurd. But the other is

1107
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,960
I mean, he's got that green stick. He's had it

1108
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,519
from the whole time. He gets the super scratch, he

1109
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:59,360
turns into the supercrypt keeper with the gray hair, and

1110
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,039
that's so all of a sudden he's like, oh yeah,

1111
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,440
I've got the green stick. And he holds the green

1112
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:12,519
stick and cut two. He's completely noise and a good

1113
00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:15,119
news because it was right at the time that the

1114
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,400
nuclear man. The nuclear man looks at the paper and

1115
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,360
decides he wants to have mural Hemingway as his own.

1116
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:23,360
Where is the woman?

1117
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,199
Speaker 6: Give it up?

1118
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: He'll never find it. If you will not tell me,

1119
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:31,440
I will hurt a Paul.

1120
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 5: Don't do it.

1121
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,679
Speaker 4: The paper and how does he know that he knows

1122
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,679
right right away is never going to get to her.

1123
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,679
How do you know that nuclear man was just looking

1124
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:45,000
at the paper and he's like her, that's the one

1125
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:47,880
that I want. He just knows you're never gonna find her.

1126
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,440
When was there a scene where you two were discussing,

1127
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,719
I'm gonna go after this girl.

1128
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,519
Speaker 3: He's like, bring me the woman. He's like, uh, her

1129
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:01,440
a you you've got him.

1130
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,679
Speaker 2: At that moment, just before that moment that he's the

1131
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,800
nuclear man is standing in the street and with his

1132
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:11,639
you know, the force, uses the force and crush the taxi.

1133
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,199
And I took a picture of this and I was

1134
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,000
going to send it and I forgot and then Jason

1135
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:18,760
sent the same picture that somebody else had taken. You

1136
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,519
don't see the wires when the car gets crushed, but

1137
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:24,800
then when they zoom into it after it's already been crushed,

1138
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:27,719
then you can see the wires. I'm like, all you

1139
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,159
had to do is say, dude, go take those off.

1140
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,199
We don't need them anymore, we don't need them in

1141
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:35,400
this shot, and yet there they are.

1142
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: When you told me that you could see wires in

1143
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,480
this movie, I'm like, I don't really pay attention to

1144
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:42,239
the details of it. No, they are so blatant. I

1145
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,519
couldn't believe it. You can see the wrinkles and the

1146
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:46,559
curtain in the backdrop when they're on the moon.

1147
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: And the thing is, if you would have told me, oh, yeah,

1148
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:51,679
you see a few wires in like the seventy eight

1149
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,039
version or sometime, it was like, come on, technology is

1150
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:59,360
progressing throughout the years, but the effects get worse, obviously

1151
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,159
because of money, but still it's just oh man.

1152
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 3: When Nuclear Man is even going up Florida, Florida floor,

1153
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:10,639
you can see the wires from Florida ceiling. He's righting

1154
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:11,719
those wires right up.

1155
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 2: The talk after this movie was the Superman that Christopher

1156
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,559
Reeve had gotten heavier. It wasn't that he had gotten heavier,

1157
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:21,400
it's that they had the belt around him, and because

1158
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,400
it was a low budget, cannon made movie, the belt

1159
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,079
made him look probably ten pounds heavier than he really was.

1160
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 5: His harness. He's not Superman anymore. He's SpongeBob SquarePants. His physique, he.

1161
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 4: Lost a lot of stuff of his physique.

1162
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's not and that's not fair to Christopher Reeve.

1163
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,639
It's just it's how they had him hooked up in

1164
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:40,639
the harness, right. He looked he looked like he was

1165
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:41,159
out of shape.

1166
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 3: We have forgotten one of the other major sins committed

1167
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,480
by Superman in this movie, the fact that he moved

1168
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:50,840
the moon to block out the Sun in order to

1169
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,360
defeat Nuclear Man. And what's that going to do to

1170
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,159
the tides and all that stuff. Well, but here's the thing.

1171
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 2: If you fly around the Earth and make the Earth

1172
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,800
go backward, that's true. It will not reverse time. It

1173
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,239
will send Earth flying out into the galaxy. It will.

1174
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:10,880
But the difference is I have bought in by the

1175
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,280
time we reached that point in Superman one. This movie, Yeah,

1176
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,840
it's just another cherry on top of the who Sunday

1177
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that we got.

1178
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 4: And I think that they said, myself, will what worked

1179
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,519
in Superman two. There's a fight on the moon in

1180
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:30,320
Superman two. Yep, so they'll throw that in. There's a

1181
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,760
fight in Metropolis going through a few buildings, and there's

1182
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,559
of course, don't do it the people that they just

1183
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:43,320
said recreate some of those scenes. True, not very well,

1184
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,679
but scene on the moon, seene in Metropolis of fighting,

1185
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,039
and I yeah, I just felt like they were being like, oh,

1186
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,239
I mean, it worked once, Let's try it again.

1187
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 5: My problem with the moon move is he takes three

1188
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:02,719
years to arrive in his rocket ship from Kryptony and

1189
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,119
he clearly you can clearly hear Jarrell instructed him on

1190
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:11,119
Einstein's theory of relativity. You know better, don't move the moon.

1191
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,840
Just yeah, everything's destroyed if he does this. And I

1192
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,599
hate that. I hate that I'm old enough to pick

1193
00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:21,719
at it like that because as a kid, I probably

1194
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:23,159
would have been like, oh, yeah, just move the moon,

1195
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,239
you'll beat him. But does it play for me now?

1196
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:27,679
And it never will play?

1197
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,199
Speaker 4: Yes, it was. Guess My question is is what did

1198
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:33,280
the cast and crew think of this film after it

1199
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:33,679
was done.

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00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:36,679
Speaker 5: I know Christopher Reeve think or what he thought, because

1201
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:39,400
even in his book he I think there's one sense

1202
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,599
he's like, the less we say about Superman four, the better,

1203
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,119
and that's in his that's in his autobiography.

1204
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, but you know what, So like, I heard

1205
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,480
John Cryer talking about this and we're kind of moving

1206
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:55,360
towards wrap up. But John Cryer said when they released this,

1207
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,920
it's not a complete movie, and he's right. There should

1208
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,480
have been better effects, you know, things that make the

1209
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:06,719
story more cohesive that you know, maybe he wasn't involved

1210
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:08,440
in it, so they just put out kind of an

1211
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,639
incomplete project.

1212
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,679
Speaker 2: And he's right asked this, Do you guys think they

1213
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,599
could re edit the footage that we have from this movie?

1214
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,639
Do you think that they could re edit it and

1215
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:18,599
make it a good movie?

1216
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:22,159
Speaker 3: They could make it as good as Superman too, Okay,

1217
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:23,360
I don't know.

1218
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 4: I mean the first half maybe. I think if it

1219
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:32,400
would have turned into because they started very realistic with

1220
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:34,519
the film of like, all right, let's do some real

1221
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,400
world stuff and throw it in the Superman universe. And

1222
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,639
if you actually did that, of saying we're going to

1223
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:44,360
rid the world of nuclear weapons, so many countries would

1224
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,119
have a major issue with that, and I think that

1225
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,880
included the US. Yeah, playing with that a little bit

1226
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:56,440
of the conspiracy and world leaders kind of maybe joining

1227
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,480
with Lex a little bit more besides just the three.

1228
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,360
It would have made it a little bit more interesting

1229
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,000
in somewhat way. But yeah, it just I don't know

1230
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:07,440
if you could edit it to make it better.

1231
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:08,599
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1232
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 5: I think you if you clean up the effects, maybe

1233
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:15,760
give nuclear Man, not Jeene Hatman's voice, give him anyone's voice.

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01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,119
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1235
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 4: Make him a mute. Make him a mute.

1236
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:21,159
Speaker 5: I think if you did enough work, it would probably

1237
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:23,400
be as good as three. That's where I would leave it.

1238
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,199
Speaker 3: I wanted to mention this, guys. At the end of

1239
01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:29,000
Superman Quest for Peace, you have a shot of Superman

1240
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,880
sort of like back in the neighborhood. Guys, how you

1241
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,800
doing good to see everybody? That was plucked straight out

1242
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,239
of Superman one? Yeah, which it looks great, right, Well,

1243
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,880
the reason it looks great is because it's from Superman one.

1244
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1245
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the same clip from all four films.

1246
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 3: I think its whole.

1247
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,679
Speaker 5: They do a fourth that that break the fourth wall,

1248
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:49,039
smile at the audience.

1249
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:54,679
Speaker 3: Everything was good. Well, Jaws the Revenge pulls the same tactic,

1250
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,679
and we'll talk about that next week. Does it does?

1251
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: Watching it after the credits started rolling, so I don't,

1252
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:03,559
I don't know what.

1253
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:06,119
Speaker 3: It's the same. It's the it's the explosion.

1254
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,079
Speaker 5: Oh, I was waiting for Bruce to smile at us.

1255
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: I forgot. I have one shining moment here that I

1256
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,920
forgot to mention when I said, good stuff all right,

1257
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,039
and that is the composer. Composer for this movie is different.

1258
01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:24,519
It was different than Superman one, different than Superman two.

1259
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:28,239
We know that in Superman two that John Williams met

1260
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,800
with met with Dick Lester, and when they went to

1261
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,760
the bathroom and came back, He's like, I cannot work

1262
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,000
with this man and left, and so somebody else had

1263
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,320
to take his music and do something with it. And

1264
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:41,519
basically we had the same type of thing with this movie.

1265
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,440
But the guy that they got to do it is

1266
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,760
a composer named Alexander Kurage. And as it turns out,

1267
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,079
Alexander Courage had actually worked with John Williams extensively. He

1268
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,920
was his orchestrator. He would orchestra. He would take John

1269
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,079
Williams music and would make the full orchestration out of it.

1270
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:00,559
And he did the same thing with Jerry Golds and

1271
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:02,719
so he literally was in the right spot to just

1272
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,400
take I mean they even say it at the beginning

1273
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,760
in those super Fast credits, based on, you know, the themes

1274
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:10,519
of John Williams, right. So he he took this music

1275
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:13,199
and did the right things with it. Quick story. He's

1276
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,599
mostly an orchestrator, but he was the composer of a

1277
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,639
very famous score. He composed the original music for Star Trek,

1278
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:28,159
the TV series from the sixties. Wow what Yeah, so

1279
01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:32,400
not bad. Here's the rest of that story. Gene Roddenberry

1280
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:36,719
decided to write some lyrics for that song the O. No,

1281
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,760
not that like literally like like lyrics were. There are

1282
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,559
words to be sung, It's just that nobody's ever actually

1283
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:46,039
heard those. But he wrote them, which means that he

1284
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:49,639
got half of the royalties from all of the times

1285
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:52,360
that they've used that score. Geen Rodenberry got half the roles.

1286
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:56,679
So I think Alexander courage was felt a bit screwed

1287
01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:59,320
over in that circumstance. But I just thought that was

1288
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,559
an interesting story.

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01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: All Right, everybody, We've got mister deaf Dave back to

1290
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,960
do a shurly showcase. This time, he's going to go

1291
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:07,880
back all the way to season one, where we did

1292
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,639
a match up Bill and Ted's excellent Adventure versus Bill

1293
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:13,440
and Ted's bogus journey versus Bill and Ted face the Music.

1294
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:14,719
Let's hear what Dave has to say.

1295
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 8: Greetings, royal ugly dudes, This is Deaf Dave Esquire and

1296
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,199
I have traveled through time just to give you this

1297
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,280
Bill and Ted review in order to unite all podcast

1298
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,920
listeners and save reality as we know it. Recently, I

1299
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:31,280
noticed that strange things were afoot on Amazon Prime. So

1300
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,119
after watching Bill and Ted Face the Music, I wanted

1301
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:37,119
to send you this most non heinous Shirley showcase, but

1302
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,760
I couldn't think of anything to say. At first, I

1303
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,880
was like, lyrics, sit up some lyrics, dude, But then

1304
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,360
I decided to go to the future and get this

1305
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,599
review from future Dave since he had plenty of time

1306
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,280
to write it. At first he was like, get away

1307
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,360
from me, you COVID pandemic dip weed, but then I said,

1308
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:58,760
this is a film review, Future Dave, not a medical review.

1309
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,559
But since the clock is all I was ticking in

1310
01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:02,840
San Dimas, I'll skip the rest of that story and

1311
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,960
get straight to it. I saw Excellent Adventure in theaters

1312
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,920
my senior year of high school, and it was an

1313
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,639
instant classic for me. Any movie that can get away

1314
01:04:10,679 --> 01:04:12,760
with soakrates and mister the kid playing catch for the

1315
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,000
nerve football is my kind of movie. Gingas Con Twirling

1316
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:17,840
is aluminum bat like he wants a second shot at

1317
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,840
Riggs and McClean the fruit dude really enjoying his corn

1318
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,000
dog at the food court. Historical Babes and short dead dudes.

1319
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,559
They're all so funny. But what makes it work is

1320
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:29,519
the genuine friendship between Bill and Ted. In a world

1321
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,039
that certainly must seem too complicated for them, they have

1322
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:34,719
found each other, and their dim wittedness allows them to

1323
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:37,599
take all the absurdity of time travel in stride, because

1324
01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:40,760
how was that any more difficult to understand than algebra class?

1325
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,719
And the idea that these two lovable, sweet losers would

1326
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,960
one day make the music that would align the planets

1327
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,320
and unite the world is just hilarious. This movie earns

1328
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:54,039
my highest recommendation to all my cinematically inclined comrades. Listen

1329
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:56,960
to nineteen eighty nine Deaf Dave. That dude knows what

1330
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,760
he's talking about, even though I'll probably never watch it

1331
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,880
again because I've seen it sixty nine times. I also

1332
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,440
saw Bogus Journey in theaters a couple of years later,

1333
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:07,320
and I was disappointed in it. It just got a

1334
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,880
little too weird for me. Words like Station and Melvin

1335
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,239
just made no sense, and it was basically a big

1336
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,880
miss for me. There were highlights, of course, Death is hilarious.

1337
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,880
Death was easily the best part of that movie. I

1338
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,199
think he's a great addition, and he was awesome, and

1339
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:22,119
there were some important continuity bits at the end with

1340
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:24,559
the future history of the Wild Stallions. But I do

1341
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:27,239
not watch this movie very often. It's a thumbs down

1342
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,880
for me. Put it in the Iron Maiden, and now

1343
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,320
that brings me to Bill and Ted face the music. Now, look,

1344
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:38,079
you can't have a totally triumphant sequel without Eddie van

1345
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,840
Halen on guitar. And you can't have Eddie van Halen

1346
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,000
on guitar because he's dead, dude. But otherwise he's doing

1347
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,800
okay now right away, this movie made me mad with

1348
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,719
the Bill and Ted Daughters. Since this franchise is always

1349
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:54,119
gleefully dismissed any worry about time travel paradoxes, then so

1350
01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:56,840
do I write like any plot hole created by time travel,

1351
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,199
you just kind of shrug your shoulders, play some air guitar,

1352
01:05:59,239 --> 01:06:01,679
and get over it. But the franchise does respect its

1353
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:03,840
own continuity for the most part, which is why the

1354
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,280
Daughters annoyed me. Bill and Ted had sons at the

1355
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,599
end of Bogus Journey. So either the sons are thirty

1356
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:11,039
years old and this movie just ignores their existence, or

1357
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,840
were supposed to accept that they really had daughters and

1358
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,000
they're still only teenagers. Either way, I don't like it,

1359
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:19,440
and it doesn't help that the two actresses playing the

1360
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:22,519
daughters have zero of the chemistry that Alex Winner and

1361
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,159
Keanu Reeves have. As far as Bill and Ted themselves,

1362
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:27,119
it was great to see them again. All the bits

1363
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:29,280
where they run into their future us as are great,

1364
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,000
and so their scenes almost work. They almost capture that magic.

1365
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,480
But the only thing that was missing was punchline. It's

1366
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:37,760
the plotline of the Daughters that comes the closest to

1367
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,280
recapturing the magic of the first movie. The idea of

1368
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,719
traveling through time to assemble the best band in history

1369
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,519
is a winning idea. Seeing Jimmy Hendrix and Louis Armstrong

1370
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:48,320
casually hanging out in the background of scenes really channels

1371
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,559
the tone of the first movie. It really felt like

1372
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:52,639
the Bill and Ted story that I wanted but never

1373
01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:54,840
got in Bogus Journey. The only problem was that Bill

1374
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,840
and Ted were not in these scenes. This should have

1375
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,440
been the movie. This should have been Bill and Ted's story,

1376
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,639
but instead is given to the two daughters and they

1377
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:04,719
just drain it of all energy. Also, this movie would

1378
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,800
apparently have us believe that the only white guy to

1379
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,519
make a historically significant contribution to music is Mozart, and

1380
01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:12,960
I'm just not ready for that level of disrespect for

1381
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,199
King ad Rock. I had just about made up my

1382
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:17,960
mind that this new movie was a disappointment when Death

1383
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,800
and the Killer Robot from the Future Dennis Calea McCoy

1384
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:24,679
start taking over the movie and suddenly I'm laughing a lot.

1385
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:27,800
That pure Bill and Ted brand of absurdity is captured

1386
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,639
and now I'm having fun. And then I gotta say,

1387
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,360
the ending blew me away. It was never about the

1388
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,159
song itself. It was about all of us singing together.

1389
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,000
What an incredible message. It just kind of snuck up

1390
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:40,800
on me and punched me in the face. Now, and

1391
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,800
the music itself had me fired up, like it gave

1392
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,360
me goosebumps. It was an awesome movie moment like this

1393
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,000
is a great ending to this.

1394
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:47,239
Speaker 6: Now.

1395
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,079
Speaker 8: I don't think the movie had done enough to establish

1396
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:51,840
the daughters as these cool DJ producer types, so that

1397
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,639
part seemed a little unearned. But hats off, because this

1398
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,199
movie absolutely delivered on the ending. We actually do get

1399
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:00,559
to see wild Stallion's music unite the world world and

1400
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:03,519
align the planets, something that was teasing the first movie

1401
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:06,000
we never expected to actually see, but we get it.

1402
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:08,199
And what a perfect ending to the bill and head story.

1403
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,000
So for me, the ending of Faced the Music totally

1404
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,920
delivered and with the help of Death and Dennis Caleb McCoy,

1405
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:16,279
managed to save the whole movie For me. There are

1406
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:18,079
things about it that still annoy me, but it's a

1407
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,720
net positive, so it's a thumbs up from me. So

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here's how I rank them in last place, of course,

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at number four, Bogus Journey at number three, we have

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Faced the Music. Then at number two it's excellent adventure,

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and then San Demus Football number one. Huh, well, that's

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gonna do it for me. Guys, I've got this creepy

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01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:37,680
guy staring at me like he wants to play a

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game of battleship.

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Speaker 3: I love your show.

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Speaker 8: Keep it up. I'm gonna get out here, but I'm

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01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,079
leaving you with these most bodacious words of wisdom. Be

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01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:47,279
excellent to each other. And oh I almost forgot future.

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Dave wanted me to give you a message. He says,

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congratulations on your fight Club versus six Cents episode. It

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was most triumphant party on dudes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Dave, great job as always, super created, super insightful.

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Love the movie quotes hilarious. I gotta disagree with you

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01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,079
on Bill and Ted's bogus Journey. I think that was

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01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:10,319
a lot of fun, but for the most part, I

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01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:13,199
think you nailed it. Thanks again. If you aren't familiar

1427
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with Deaf Dave, go back to our season two matchup

1428
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:21,159
of Beastie Boys License to Ill versus Run DMC's Raising Hell.

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01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:24,479
Dave is a superstar when it comes to discussing eighties

1430
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hip hop. He's also a very successful writer. Go check

1431
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:29,880
out some of his books. I myself just picked up

1432
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,000
The Gideon Kine Demon Hunter, which is a collection of

1433
01:09:33,039 --> 01:09:36,279
short stories including our pal Van Allen, Plexico and mister

1434
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Deaf Dave himself. I can't wait to dive into that.

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And I gotta say I love the message from Future

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Deaf Dave about the matchup between six Cents and Fight Club.

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That's a mammoth matchup from nineteen ninety nine. We'll see

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what we can do, Future Dave. By the way Station,

1439
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:56,920
This movie was nominated for two Golden Raspberry Awards. Just two,

1440
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,279
just two, worst of the worst. Right, we've picked the best,

1441
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:03,079
worst movies of all time. So the first one was

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worst Supporting Actress for Mariel Hemingway. She lost to Daryl Hannah.

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Speaker 2: For Wall Street.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: The second was for worst visual Effects, lost to.

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Speaker 6: You.

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01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:21,319
Speaker 2: Got it really up for our next podcast, So guys,

1448
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:24,199
be sure on whatever podcast that you are listening to,

1449
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,760
hit that follow button, hit that subscribe button, Go check

1450
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,479
us out at Shirley Podcast on Twitter, at Shirley Podcast

1451
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,640
on Facebook. You can check out the film by guys

1452
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:39,000
at a film buy on Twitter, same on Facebook. Correct, yes,

1453
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:40,960
all right, why don't you guys tell us what your

1454
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:43,119
next episode is going to be so that people can

1455
01:10:43,119 --> 01:10:43,760
tune in for that.

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Speaker 5: Well, today Brad and I went back to Summer School.

1457
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,439
We talked about a film by Carl Reiner, The Mark

1458
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:56,520
Harmon Classic Summer School. So that is available right now

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01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,560
on your favorite streaming platform.

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Speaker 2: So everybody, thank you for two in. Be sure and

1461
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:04,159
check out our next episode where we dive in and

1462
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:06,640
tear apart just the revenge.

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01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,359
Speaker 3: You guys coming back for that right, We will see

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01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:09,239
you next week.

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01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:10,520
Speaker 5: We will definitely be.

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01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: Back to this time is personal. When the Canes Film

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Festival would happen can the Cane Yeah, sorry, the Cane

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01:11:22,199 --> 01:11:28,560
Film Fest Cane Can Can Can con Con Can Can Can.

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Speaker 3: I was here at Can. What do you think.

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Speaker 4: Brad would be? Yeah, I've always called Can. I know

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that the winner gets the palm dure gone.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go con