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Speaker 1: I'm with Dennis Hosburg. So nice to be with you again.

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We met last year out with the Desco Brothers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you're all the way from Sweden. I'm so

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glad you came.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from Sweden, Stockholm. It was a long trip. We

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were in New York two days and then after that

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LA for one day and that up here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very busy. So I got to tell you, well,

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I got to tell the audience here that I when

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the anomaly, the Baltic Sea anomaly first came out, I

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had just started my show. I reached out and someone

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actually replied to is it ocean X, Ocean X Teamy

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Ocean X team someone, I have an email somewhere. I'm

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going to try to you after there was very nice.

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They were very nice and said not now. You know,

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I'm not doing anything now right now, but you know,

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I have to tell you there was a I want

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you to talk today. Did an excellent job, by the way,

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and I was I didn't really pay much attention. You know,

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they had the Malibu thing too under the water later

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and so I just assumed that this was just another

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you know, natural situation that just looked unusual that type

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of thing, but you kind of you kind of changed

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my mind a little bit. So we're going to be

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talking about this, and then you also had another experience.

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We're going to be talking about that as well, and

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hopefully a little later we'll see that Beatrice will be

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joining us here. And so I'm really thrilled because I

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understand that I might be the only one interviewing you,

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or do you have something another interview lined up?

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Speaker 2: Nope, today, but I know lots of people want to

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interview me about the time. We have quite been quite busy.

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But yeah, you're the first one to do with me.

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Speaker 1: That's great. I love it, and the only.

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Speaker 3: One perhaps, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So we have a mutual person. We both know Scott Cassell,

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who has been on this. He was the one to

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remind the listener of the gold Cube that he saw

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in person in the Sea of Cortes, about sixty five

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miles off of the coast of Mexico. And one of

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my most listened to podcasts and downloaded videos was with

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Scott Cassel. And I'm glad to hear that you two

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are connected and you have very similar backgrounds yeah, you

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have a lot of time on the Rebreather as well.

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You were like treasure hunters. I mean I was following.

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I know you did. You found champagne and wine and

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things like that. But that is so exciting. What's that

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like to do something like that.

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Speaker 2: In the Baltic Sea in Sweden where I live. That's

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the gold for us. It's lots of money and it's

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a great value in the wine and cognac and champagne

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and different type of liquor and lots of traffic. And

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went from Sweden to Finland back in the times in

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the First World War and they were ordering from Russia

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at that time. The Russian saw ordered lots of booths

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from France and it's going to rack up to Sweden

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and then with a boat over to Finland and down

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down to Patrick Rodo Sant Petersbury. So we have put

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lots of time and we have found lots of shipwreck

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by the champagne and cognac in different type of booths.

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Speaker 1: Is it preserved well enough?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It is, and so it must be very I don't

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know what we're talking about date date wise, how far

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back do these things go and what type of value

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do they let's just say, the single best bottle of something.

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He brought up.

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Speaker 2: Most of the wreck with the Champagne and Cognac and

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benedictine is sunk in nineteen sixteen before the revolution, and

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they were mean too. There was a present from the

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Russian Saw to his officers. Drink a lot over there,

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so yeah, but preserved. I mean, it's perfect down there.

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It's pitch black and it's forty five degrees celsius down there.

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It's perfect. So you have managed to sell its lots

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of bottles and even tried it.

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Speaker 1: You did try, yeah, of course, and how good when

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it's come to.

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Speaker 2: Wine, not good, it's okay, no, no, when it comes

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to cognac and benedictine.

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Speaker 3: It's a liquor.

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Speaker 1: It's perfect, perfect and that you mind me asking what

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something like that to me is it sounds like it

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would be pretty valuable just to go to auction. What happens?

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How do you sell this christ.

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Speaker 2: Is in London?

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Speaker 3: Most?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Nice?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember the first bottle of cognac was

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sold for forty five thousand dollars beautiful, Yeah, wow, one bottle.

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Speaker 1: You take a thousand dollars sip out of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, so that's pretty in same, but it must be.

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and some caves and things. I really really love it.

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I haven't done anything in a while, but still, I know,

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I mean, I can't imagine. I'm also someone that's involved

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in antiques, and I love the hunt and searching and

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finding it, so it must be just I can't imagine

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how exciting it is when you come upon a wreck

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that you were looking for, and obviously, I mean, it

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just must be amazing.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's amazing. You get happy, and sometimes you get

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so sad because you have put so much time and

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money in the project just to search for it. And

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then when you have found it, you go down to

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the cargo room and see it everything is destroyed, and

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then you have perhaps put a couple of hundred thousand

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dollars into it, and you have to hope that everything

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is okay. But all the buttons or the things.

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Speaker 3: We are destroyed to today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that happened couple of times. Yeah, what year

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was the submarine and where did what's the details on the.

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Speaker 2: Cool thing with that summary. The Summarine. So the Russians

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are bought the summarine nineteen oh four from an American

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company in Florida, I think Electric Motor I think its

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name was, and bought it. And it was in the

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war against Japan.

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Speaker 1: Japan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, talking to English.

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Speaker 2: Now there, but anyway, it was there, and then after

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that they transported to Petrograds and Petersbury and they did

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some changes on it, and then it was they stationed

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on the base in the middle of Baltic Sea and

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the island called all A Land at that time the

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Russian War, you know, friends with US and Europe before

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the revolution, so they were stationed that. I have a

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navy base at the Wolong and this submarine was out

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on the patrol. I don't know really about what it

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was out and then it's coming into national Swedish national water.

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souls on board, eighteen crew members.

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Speaker 1: So okay, so we're cutting in here, Beatrices joining us,

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and we're going to be talking about your you know,

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you're you did a beautiful presentation, by the way, and

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have you as a guest. I think it was in

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twenty twenty two, I believe, I think so. So anyway,

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it's great to have you back. But okay, so we

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want to continue on where he was just telling us

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about the submarine.

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Speaker 3: So we're going out and we're on the way.

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Speaker 2: Shipwreck we are we're working with, So we're going to

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pass this place, and so I put the side cancela

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in the water and after half an hour we find

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this cigar on the bottom, like as a go. Usually

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when we find summarines they are broken or damage or

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you know, in lots of podch In this case was

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a summary intact.

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Speaker 3: We see it directly. Wow.

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Speaker 2: And that position also have no history of any ship

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wrecks or nothing at all. It should not be anything there.

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I had lots of meeting with the Russian Ambassadory, lots

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of meeting every time. Ah, thank you Dennis, great, great,

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but state to state we're taking care of that, and

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I just wo, we have found it. So twenty twenty one,

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coming up to the Russian Ambasaidiary in Stockholm and he's.

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Speaker 3: Oh, then as well, come another type of person, and

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they said that okay, let's look.

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Speaker 2: Forward, I forget about the few what happened, and we

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want you to sell us to a summarine.

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Speaker 3: When can you do that? And I was one of

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the oldest summary.

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Speaker 2: In the world in good condition, so I was so happy,

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even Peter. So we go home and celebrate and you know,

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begin to update our salvage plan and we put lots

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of time on that to even do ultrasound men look

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at the steal if it's possible to lift it without

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breaking it, and everything looks fine. And we had a

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couple of meetings back and forth, back and forth. The

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last meeting fourth of February twenty twenty two and improvement

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all the papers. Ready, I have the right to salvage

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one of the oldest summary in the world and bring

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it to Sant Pietersburg.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, and lots of money, big contract.

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Speaker 2: It is signed by putting right, signed by officers or

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people there. So yeah, he proved it, so no problem.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that was indeed. Yeah, okay, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. So what can you tell me? You know,

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you know briefly about the anomaly, the Baltic Sea anomaly.

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about that. And then it kind of you know, there

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were some people trying to explain it and saying it

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was just a natural, you know, formation. But like I

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said earlier, you kind of convinced me there's really something

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to this. So let's just hear how that all transpired.

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Speaker 2: Twenty eleven, we found the Baltic Sea anomally. It was

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out in the Meadia and media like folks news in

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this case, there was the first one say that this

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is a rock, and I just want the heck. I mean,

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you have not been there, you don't know the position,

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know that? After that, I try, of course to talk

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to scientists about it, and they, oh.

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Speaker 3: Denni's interesting, but you know, we have read the news.

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It's a rock, it's a natural thing. And I said,

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you know they're wrong. They have never been there, how

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can you know?

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Speaker 2: So the time is taking and I try my best

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way to get people get interesting to it, but it

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was impossible, but I have not given up.

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Speaker 3: I have tried for many, many years.

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Speaker 2: So now we have been out again last year, and

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before that it was twenty nineteen with the people from Finland,

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neighbor country that we have worked together with. And when

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they're coming out and see it, and he was captive,

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my friend over in Finland, he said, then.

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Speaker 3: This is a natural thing, you know, he's a book.

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Speaker 2: And when they're coming out and see it themselves, oh,

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this is man man, this is constructed for sure. So

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it was good for me. And now we were out

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last year. Beatrice I met two years ago.

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Speaker 4: I will not step on about.

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Speaker 1: Blame you.

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Speaker 2: So Beatrice I met two years ago and she had

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the connection everything I need. So Beatrice, we decide to

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do together the whole thing about the Baltic Sea. Anormally

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stay on the ground, but you're doing a lot of things,

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other things. But then we were out the last year

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to get the scientists from France, Germany, US and Sweden,

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and we used Stockholm University's ship with all the equipment,

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the best, not my own because that is not the same.

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something interesting? And lots of things happen out there, as

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Speaker 1: I can't believe listening to your lecture, everything you put

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Speaker 3: That you can take.

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spot and the chaptain, because we have talked on a

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way out the Dennis, what the experience do you have?

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and so on. So he was curious, of course. And

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then we're very we're very close to the object. He

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we start up the motive be into so we can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course we started up.

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we're coming exactly. The anomally is dogs. Then the gip

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bet stops wreaking.

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there's a quarter inside of it or something, and then

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two holes or did I hear.

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know it's ability down there.

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because it came to my mind, is when are you

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from this thing?

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Speaker 5: Hopefully this year, I hopefully doesn't explode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not easy. We have tried before. It's

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too hard. But if it's possible, we're going to do that.

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Speaker 1: And have people tried to find the location, Yeah, of course,

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and of course that's top secret for your company.

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and the American and NATO, they know what it is.

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I'm going to be following this because that's funny because

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last year when we met, I'm saying, yeah, I don't

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know if I really buy into that. And then I

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listened to your presentation. It's like you did change my

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mind today to yeah, it really is so Beatrice. Now

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I'm going to focus on you and thank you for

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the work you've done. And you know a lot of

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people may have not seen the show that you were

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on before, so I'm going to have to ask you

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to go into the whole thing if you wouldn't mind. Beatrice,

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you had no interest in UFOs. You never even thought

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about UFOs when you started to do your research as

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an astronomer in these plates. So let's just take it

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, UFOs was something, and I was considering like

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people who see them thoughts. I was marinated in all

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these land you know, in the stigma sure, and then

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I had that perspective. I was super interested in sea

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anomally and because it's something it's very nuts and bolts,

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it's something you can test and it was super cool.

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news they were having. I was following these fan groups

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as a student. So it opened my mind the kind

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of research I was doing later, because without it maybe

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I would have been still maybe doing some very boring work.

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I beg ga active galactic nucleios. Well, anyway, the thing

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of searching for vanishing stars is what really got me there.

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and it then turned into this obsession to search for

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vanishing stars and vanishing objects. And I wanted to find

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this kind of big, fat star that is there in

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one hundred images and later vanishes into nothingness. And that

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was kind of my dream, and that's how the Vasco

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project was created.

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Speaker 4: We found zero of those.

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Speaker 5: We found all this like it's like starke objects on

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the play like first I thought it was single things.

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Speaker 4: At first I thought there was a single objects.

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Speaker 5: Then we found this cluster of stars that appear and

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vanish with in a plate exposure, not stars, but starlike objects.

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Speaker 4: And I started realizing, oh shit, this is something else.

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realized they had to be in the inner Solar system,

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because otherwise you can't have a group of objects appearing

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and vanishing like nine of them. And it wasn't caused

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by any extinction. It wasn't caused by any I mean

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anything that we could explain, like from an astronomical point

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of view that we were thinking maybe it's some type

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of very rare contamination of the plates. But the problem

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was that it wasn't only one object that had a

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star like brightness profiles. You had groups where they varied

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in intensity. These stars in brightness but still has star

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like brightness profiles. And since we're dealing with photographic plates

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where it's a totally different way of evaluating these open

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extended modern CCDs, that was quite a big deal to

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me because it showed it a very unlikely coincidence. So

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what could create this, I mean these objects? Well, it

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could be either that you have something emitting a light

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or like some light being emitted for half a second

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or a very brief amount of time, or something reflecting

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the sunlight. And we decided to go out and look

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for several of these objects in a line, which would

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be a typical thing of if you have light reflection.

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We found some examples that are statistically extremely unlikely. We

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have used the skeptic's own statistical methods to assess the probabilities,

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and they are super likely, like one in ten thousand

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is one of the candidates. Now there are even better

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candidates found by our person called Brian Doherty, who's doing

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some independent and also collaborative work with us on the

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transits so we can find these sort of events in

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the data set. The most important was what happened last year.

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So Stephen Brule has been leading our work where he

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has searched for these correlations between our transients and UFOs

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and yukes.

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Speaker 4: And yes, we do see.

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Speaker 5: Like statistical significant correlations in time between these three types

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of events nukes, bows and transcends. And another thing, because

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people always are trying to be skeptic and trying to say, oh,

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could it be something on the plane, some condeminations, an

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atomic bomb, you know, particles or some cosmic rays.

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Speaker 1: That one, Yes, you can't.

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Speaker 4: Even explain anything there.

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Speaker 5: But the thing that totally kills off cosmic RaSE playtifs

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all these Monday things is that there's a defvisit of

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transience in the Earth's.

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Speaker 1: Shadow and you would not. So I think that's a

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really good point considering what you know, a recent thing

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that came out, you know, trying to explain it is

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that And so I'm glad you're saying this just to

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clear that up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there has been so confusions because we had a

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little bit of exchange on his medium post and he

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goes in and changes the medium. So I don't know

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then what version I'm discussing with. But the problem is

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here that if if it would be cosmic craze, there's.

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Speaker 4: No way they're going to be vanishing in the Earth's shadow.

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Speaker 5: At forty two thousand kilometers altitude, And the fist of

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transits in the Earth shadow is of just smoking gun

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of that. These are like reflections, solar reflections, because in

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the Earth shadow, nothing is going to reflect the sunlight.

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And we also have to remember that, yes, at low altitude,

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if you're at Lego or if you have the Earth surface,

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you're going to be in the Earth shadow at night

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all the time. But the observatory is of course, I

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mean they only can see the stars during the night.

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So that's not the Earth shadow we are thinking of.

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thousand kilomedio's altitude, and that's where we see the de

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visit and that's why it's so important. These are no

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cosmic rays, these are no plate defects. These are solid objects,

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solid flat, highly reflected objects at higher altitude orbiting the Earth.

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Speaker 1: Well, you were contacted about the nineteen fifty two I

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think it was July nineteenth through the twenty first, something

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like that. When you were first thrown that idea, did

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you brush it off at first or right away? Did

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you say, wow, this could really be something?

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Speaker 4: Wow? I said. This is my friend Dave Waldman that

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contacted me and said.

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Speaker 5: Hey, do you recognize the dates of this new latest

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candidate and other No.

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Speaker 1: Look it up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's super interesting.

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Speaker 5: And I'm so grateful today that they show this because

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thanks to him, we now have learned. I mean, there's

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a complete paper that comes out based on ispothesis that

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we could cost our only because I talked today and

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because they sent me this information.

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Speaker 4: Without it, we wouldn't have the paper.

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Speaker 1: And you wouldn't be sitting here right now exactly had and.

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Speaker 4: What's the influenced Thank you Dave Altman. Yeah, yeah, so

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that was like super cool.

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Speaker 5: And also these things with solar reflections as to me

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being super important. And then actually there are some independent

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scientists that work without data sets, and of course they

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are if they can get our data set, they replicate

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the results. So and also one also found an unexpected

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correlation or anti correlation with geomagnetic storm activity, which is

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the complete opposite of what you'd expect if you think

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they are cosmic race.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. Now that you look up,

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it's a big sky, and I know you're talking about

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being in the shadow the way you're supposed to. But

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there's still it's endless. But I don't know how deep

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these plates go, how far out there, how many stars

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you have that you can continue because I think I

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saw I heard a number you say, six hundred million.

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Did you say something like that?

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Speaker 5: We have scan six hundred million stars and there's probably

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one billion of objects on these plates, so it's.

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Speaker 4: A huge amount.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 5: We had to go through it to collect two and

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a half years for and Ricky to complete the complete.

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Speaker 1: Now let me ask you this, is there any way

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you can use AI today?

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Speaker 4: We're doing it today.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 5: So the plan is also to we have actually used

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machine learning to even more rule out the plate defect

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and cosmic ray hypothesis, because we can see with machine

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learning is that the cleaner your data set is, the

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stronger are all these correlations like the deficit in the

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Earth shadow gets much bigger.

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Speaker 4: The correlation with nukes and the transitions also gets much

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bigger and simpler.

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Speaker 5: The cleaner the data set. Thanks to machine learning, the

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stronger it gets. So by that I mean we already

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can say what it's not.

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Speaker 1: And can you also talk about the proposed telescopes that

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could do some really interesting research.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So originally these telescopes where we were planning to

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put at least two telescopes or MU three watching the

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same spot of the sky in the Earth's shadow to

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look for luminous objects because that could be interesting a

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UFO that the shiny and has its own light and

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getting the spectrum of it. Now that we know that

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a lot of these objects are there but they are reflecting,

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that means we have to change a research plans. So

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what we've been doing lately is that we have actually

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I can't give the full details yet, but we have

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done a study where we have a retree like estimated

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the sizes, the shapes, the altitudes of these objects where

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they are located. We learn a lot both from the

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data and from modeling. We have our really really smart

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person helping us to do these simulations.

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Speaker 4: So we learned a lot of things about this object.

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Speaker 5: But also some peculiarities that only can be seen in

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the VASCO data and that are highly indicative of intelligence.

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So what we will do is to search for these

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unique signatures in the modern sky nice and we want

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to do it with these telescopes, so we already know

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where to look at which altitudes.

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Speaker 4: We need still to purchase a second telescope.

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Speaker 5: We have one telescope already running and taking data that

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is being analyzed, but we also need a second telescope.

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And once you have the parallax, you estimate the distances

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that we can study this unique signature that is indicative

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of intelligence and better understand what objects we are dealing with.

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Speaker 4: So that's something I really look forward to.

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Speaker 5: I hope we will be able to publish the paper

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where we've been looking at all these properties in.

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Speaker 4: A couple of weeks or so, hope.

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Speaker 1: So, but then we.

479
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 5: Should also submit for peer review and go through the

480
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,160
whole pain again with all the stigma and all the

481
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,559
referees that get scared when you write non human artifacts.

482
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's a little I have to say,

483
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:04,480
the stigmas is a lot less these days than it

484
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:08,079
used to be, so it's probably a little bit easier

485
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,759
for you. Because before twenty seventeen, anyone I ever talked

486
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:16,240
to astrophysicists or any scientists. They didn't want anything to

487
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,240
do with this topic because of the stigma and that

488
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,640
there was no funding. You know, those were the two things.

489
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:25,680
When there's no end result possible, we can't get funding.

490
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,519
That's what they used to tell me. So, but this

491
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,200
is really interesting. Now I'm going to ask you, so,

492
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,519
now that you've had this revelation and all the work

493
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:38,559
that you've done, are you looking around to see the

494
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,319
UFO world, Like, what are people talking about? The tic TAC,

495
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,599
the situation or any of the other ones are like

496
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:49,480
you really, yeah, it's I definitely.

497
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: Am doing that.

498
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,559
Speaker 5: I hope to have a chance to see Skywatcher doing

499
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,119
their work in practice. They're doing super cool stuff, the

500
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:56,920
Skywatcher guys.

501
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yes, I'm yeah.

502
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 5: So that's something I hope to do get the opportunity

503
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,200
because you know, I never seen an UFO, so this

504
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:07,000
might be my watch. Well.

505
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,599
Speaker 1: I know that you were recently with the Tedesco brothers

506
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,720
and I was out there last year. So amazing are

507
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,759
they It's so great skilled and they have all that

508
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,519
wonderful equipment and it's really, you know, quite amazing. And

509
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,400
I was telling Dennis that I think it was right

510
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,039
after we I didn't tell you this, but I think

511
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,119
it was. Didn't they see something after our left? Or

512
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,000
was it the next day?

513
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

514
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: I think that's all the day after all the day

515
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,960
in there, and I don't know.

516
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: I remember some over film some pictures to me and

517
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,319
said that it was something. That is something yeah.

518
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's kind of like fishing, you know

519
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,119
when you go to fish, when you put the string

520
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,680
in the water and you're waiting and waiting and wait,

521
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,880
and it's kind of like, you know, they have such patience.

522
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 5: They're patient, they're incredibly skilled, they're open minded, and that's

523
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,200
why to see things. No amount of funding is going

524
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,359
to help a project where people are scared of losing

525
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:04,240
incredibility in front of their colleagues, because once you have

526
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:06,720
that mindset, you won't see anything because it will be

527
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:09,240
filtering away all the animalists. It will be a lot

528
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,319
of false negatives. So that the Brothers are is so

529
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,759
beautiful important work.

530
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: And you know, fear is the reason we've been held

531
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,839
back in science so many times, go all the way

532
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,200
back to Galileo, you know what I mean, there was

533
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,880
always these things fear based. No, this can't be right.

534
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:28,440
So yeah, I think it's we're in really interesting times.

535
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,519
Speaker 5: Leading the way and I really would love to join

536
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,599
them again and actually spend several hours in the night

537
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,720
and see all these works.

538
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is like this. Also, when you

539
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,079
have seen some of you cannot let it go. Yes,

540
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,079
it's impossible.

541
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:44,599
Speaker 1: That's why I'm here. Yeah, you know, I had a

542
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,079
UFO setting in two thousand and seven, and you know,

543
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:50,599
I'm in the antiques and arts and all that stuff,

544
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,279
and that was my focus. And I have a friend

545
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:55,319
who I don't know if you ever heard of the

546
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,000
show over here in England called the Antiques Roadshow? Have

547
00:28:58,039 --> 00:29:00,720
you ever heard of that? Now? It's where things people

548
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,839
bring these things in. Well, he's on TV and we

549
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,640
have share an office together, and he tells me about

550
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,160
an unbelievable sighting he had where the thing actually shot

551
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,759
up and a jet chased it and then it burst

552
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:18,119
into lights. I mean, it's an incredible story. So I said,

553
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,839
didn't that change your life? Because I could care less.

554
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:25,240
So there are people everyone handles it differently, but myself,

555
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:27,400
it changed totally changed my life. You know.

556
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 5: I spent since it was this small looking up at

557
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:32,039
the sky and hoping to see a spaceship coming.

558
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 1: But I never said, well, I want to ask you.

559
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,400
We have a little bit of time left here. You

560
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,599
have quite a background. I read your background and it's unbelievable.

561
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,839
So when you were a little girl, did you want

562
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:46,119
to be an astronomer? I mean, right away, want to.

563
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: Be a musician?

564
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:48,039
Speaker 1: Was right?

565
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,119
Speaker 5: Yeah. I liked music and I liked writing a lot. Well,

566
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,079
I actually liked astronomy a lot in the space in

567
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:55,519
the universe. But then as a teenager, I fell in

568
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:59,400
love with biotechnology, well like your biology and all these things,

569
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,960
and I actually started it until fourth year at university

570
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:08,000
when I found it dead boarding. I had overexposed myself

571
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,279
too early, and I reached an oversaturation where I couldn't

572
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:16,160
hear about the central dogma anymore, and I just like

573
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,119
I couldn't.

574
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 4: I just reached a saturation limit.

575
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 5: And then I started discovering quasars and the whole story

576
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,119
with Halton Arp, and I took more and more astronomy

577
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,079
courses and I became an astronomer. And I have that

578
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,559
unfinished biotech degree somewhere there.

579
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:35,799
Speaker 1: But you know, it happened exactly the way it was

580
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,440
supposed to. Really I mean, you were supposed to be

581
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,759
a look look what you've done, and so I would

582
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:46,519
imagine that you feel it was a gift.

583
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 4: I think so.

584
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 5: I think it's it's been a gift to this journey.

585
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,599
It's been a lot of unpleasant things as well at

586
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,920
the same time. But you can't have the beautiful thing

587
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:59,000
without having to deal with the dark side of humans.

588
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:02,400
Because you have something very good, there are others who

589
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,519
are upset on unique having it.

590
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: It's always going to be like that.

591
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:13,079
Speaker 1: So are you optimistic about the possibility of getting funding

592
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,200
to look more into what you want to do research

593
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,319
on I am.

594
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 5: Optimistic because I believe people recognize the importance of the

595
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:24,079
work both that we are doing but also that has

596
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:28,079
to be done because there is a huge territorium that

597
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:31,920
hasn't been explored by civilians. So far, it has been

598
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,079
explored by militaries, but now it's time also for civilians

599
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:39,960
to try to catch up and share this knowledge. Share

600
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:42,839
what has been known by others for seventy years. It's

601
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,799
our due to not to try to be a bridge

602
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,279
with a transience. I'm sure that this has been known.

603
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,319
Whatever objects are there is known by others by governments

604
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:53,799
that are highly leed.

605
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't say we have discovered anything.

606
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 5: I would say we are confirming findings that already have

607
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,920
been claimed by others and been in in order or

608
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,079
wiped under the carpets. So that's my point of view.

609
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,559
There are no Nobal prices here to get. There's a

610
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,400
confirmation we can do for humanity, our work we have

611
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:13,839
to do for.

612
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: Humanity right right? And is do you compliment each other

613
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,440
in any type of work? How does how does that?

614
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,279
How do you two work together and help each other

615
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,799
with everything else?

616
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: Everything?

617
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: I must say we have the same interest. In my case,

618
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:31,880
you have not seen it.

619
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,359
Speaker 2: I have seen it that changed my life also back

620
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,960
in time. And after that, I understand we are we

621
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,240
have something. I don't know really what it is. I

622
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:43,200
saw something that changed my life.

623
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:45,799
Speaker 1: Can we talk about we have a few minutes comming

624
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,160
to that in a few minute versions. Okay, let's hear it.

625
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,319
Speaker 2: I can do a short one. Yes, nineteen ninety six

626
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,079
is back in time. Then I lived it outside of Stockholm,

627
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:01,039
not far from Stockholm Cite, very close to military installation.

628
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,599
I have two teenagers boys and a wife laying and

629
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,519
my and my wife are laying in the bed and

630
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:12,279
three thirty three or something, three thirty early in the

631
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,920
morning in the spring, the sun is on his way up.

632
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,720
As it is in Scandinavia, the sun is going up

633
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:23,119
very early. And for some reason, even today thinking about it,

634
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440
why do I wake up so early? Usually at that

635
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,480
time I use my time to sleep because I'm working

636
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,079
a lot.

637
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: I wake up.

638
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,079
Speaker 2: I laying in my bed for ten minutes, and then

639
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,599
I decided to go up to the kitchen or drink water.

640
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: So I was sitting in my bed.

641
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: And front of me, I have a big window, and

642
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,119
outside of my window, I have this military installation called.

643
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 4: Fuba the Swedish research.

644
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: The sun was on his way up, and I looked

645
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,039
there and I see something hovering over the installation. And

646
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,559
it takes me a couple of seconds before my brain

647
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,279
is connecting me because I have something outside of my house.

648
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: I have never ever seen it.

649
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: Before, and so I begin to use the F word

650
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,240
to get my wife's attention, you know, please come up

651
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,400
and look out the window with something very strange.

652
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 3: And she turned around and I turn around.

653
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 2: We look at each other, and she was scared because

654
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,000
that is not Dennis.

655
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 3: I usually sleep and.

656
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: Don't do like that in the morning, and I turn

657
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,360
around again and I see it still there, and then

658
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,440
I decide to go up standing in front of the

659
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,599
window and look at it. And then happens that the

660
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,760
thing that you know, almost my heart stops and I

661
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,840
see it in this angle.

662
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: I don't see it's round or something. It looks like

663
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,280
a cigar and doing like this.

664
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:44,679
Speaker 2: And then I see it's round and the sunlight is

665
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,039
not going it's dark under it now. And then it's

666
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:52,880
flying on my house like you're throwing a frisbee. And

667
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,880
I'm running over my wife to the other seat side

668
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,679
of the apartment, and she was scared because she did

669
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,800
not understand really what's hap running over her coming to

670
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,679
the battle and on the other side standing there and

671
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,360
she's coming Dennis, Dennis, I don't know. I have seen

672
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,840
something very strange. And then after thirty seconds, my other

673
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,519
to my two sons.

674
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: Has come, Papa, Papa, that's wrong. So that was an

675
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,559
interesting morning, but that changed my life. Talk to you.

676
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: So before that I did not think about Ufo or UAPs.

677
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,400
I had seen Star wars eed and inside of people

678
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,239
have done.

679
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,679
Speaker 3: But that morning that changed my life.

680
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Well I want to thank you both so much.

681
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,840
It's been a real pleasure, so nice. Well we met before, Dennis,

682
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,039
but so nice to meet you in person. It's been

683
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,239
really great, really great, and I'm glad you're having wonderful

684
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,599
times this beautiful spot here.

685
00:35:48,239 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, thank you, thank you for having us