Speaker 1: I'm with Dennis Hosburg. So nice to be with you again.
We met last year out with the Desco Brothers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me here.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you're all the way from Sweden. I'm so
glad you came.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from Sweden, Stockholm. It was a long trip. We
were in New York two days and then after that
LA for one day and that up here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very busy. So I got to tell you, well,
I got to tell the audience here that I when
the anomaly, the Baltic Sea anomaly first came out, I
had just started my show. I reached out and someone
actually replied to is it ocean X, Ocean X Teamy
Ocean X team someone, I have an email somewhere. I'm
going to try to you after there was very nice.
They were very nice and said not now. You know,
I'm not doing anything now right now, but you know,
I have to tell you there was a I want
you to talk today. Did an excellent job, by the way,
and I was I didn't really pay much attention. You know,
they had the Malibu thing too under the water later
and so I just assumed that this was just another
you know, natural situation that just looked unusual that type
of thing, but you kind of you kind of changed
my mind a little bit. So we're going to be
talking about this, and then you also had another experience.
We're going to be talking about that as well, and
hopefully a little later we'll see that Beatrice will be
joining us here. And so I'm really thrilled because I
understand that I might be the only one interviewing you,
or do you have something another interview lined up?
Speaker 2: Nope, today, but I know lots of people want to
interview me about the time. We have quite been quite busy.
But yeah, you're the first one to do with me.
Speaker 1: That's great. I love it, and the only.
Speaker 3: One perhaps, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So we have a mutual person. We both know Scott Cassell,
who has been on this. He was the one to
remind the listener of the gold Cube that he saw
in person in the Sea of Cortes, about sixty five
miles off of the coast of Mexico. And one of
my most listened to podcasts and downloaded videos was with
Scott Cassel. And I'm glad to hear that you two
are connected and you have very similar backgrounds yeah, you
have a lot of time on the Rebreather as well.
You were like treasure hunters. I mean I was following.
I know you did. You found champagne and wine and
things like that. But that is so exciting. What's that
like to do something like that.
Speaker 2: In the Baltic Sea in Sweden where I live. That's
the gold for us. It's lots of money and it's
a great value in the wine and cognac and champagne
and different type of liquor and lots of traffic. And
went from Sweden to Finland back in the times in
the First World War and they were ordering from Russia
at that time. The Russian saw ordered lots of booths
from France and it's going to rack up to Sweden
and then with a boat over to Finland and down
down to Patrick Rodo Sant Petersbury. So we have put
lots of time and we have found lots of shipwreck
by the champagne and cognac in different type of booths.
Speaker 1: Is it preserved well enough?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is, and so it must be very I don't
know what we're talking about date date wise, how far
back do these things go and what type of value
do they let's just say, the single best bottle of something.
He brought up.
Speaker 2: Most of the wreck with the Champagne and Cognac and
benedictine is sunk in nineteen sixteen before the revolution, and
they were mean too. There was a present from the
Russian Saw to his officers. Drink a lot over there,
so yeah, but preserved. I mean, it's perfect down there.
It's pitch black and it's forty five degrees celsius down there.
It's perfect. So you have managed to sell its lots
of bottles and even tried it.
Speaker 1: You did try, yeah, of course, and how good when
it's come to.
Speaker 2: Wine, not good, it's okay, no, no, when it comes
to cognac and benedictine.
Speaker 3: It's a liquor.
Speaker 1: It's perfect, perfect and that you mind me asking what
something like that to me is it sounds like it
would be pretty valuable just to go to auction. What happens?
How do you sell this christ.
Speaker 2: Is in London?
Speaker 3: Most?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Nice?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember the first bottle of cognac was
sold for forty five thousand dollars beautiful, Yeah, wow, one bottle.
Speaker 1: You take a thousand dollars sip out of that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, so that's pretty in same, but it must be.
You know, I'm a amateur scuba diver, so you know,
I mean, I've gone on some shipwrecks and things like that,
and some caves and things. I really really love it.
I haven't done anything in a while, but still, I know,
I mean, I can't imagine. I'm also someone that's involved
in antiques, and I love the hunt and searching and
finding it, so it must be just I can't imagine
how exciting it is when you come upon a wreck
that you were looking for, and obviously, I mean, it
just must be amazing.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's amazing. You get happy, and sometimes you get
so sad because you have put so much time and
money in the project just to search for it. And
then when you have found it, you go down to
the cargo room and see it everything is destroyed, and
then you have perhaps put a couple of hundred thousand
dollars into it, and you have to hope that everything
is okay. But all the buttons or the things.
Speaker 3: We are destroyed to today.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that happened couple of times. Yeah, what year
was the submarine and where did what's the details on the.
Speaker 2: Cool thing with that summary. The Summarine. So the Russians
are bought the summarine nineteen oh four from an American
company in Florida, I think Electric Motor I think its
name was, and bought it. And it was in the
war against Japan.
Speaker 1: Japan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talking to English.
Speaker 2: Now there, but anyway, it was there, and then after
that they transported to Petrograds and Petersbury and they did
some changes on it, and then it was they stationed
on the base in the middle of Baltic Sea and
the island called all A Land at that time the
Russian War, you know, friends with US and Europe before
the revolution, so they were stationed that. I have a
navy base at the Wolong and this submarine was out
on the patrol. I don't know really about what it
was out and then it's coming into national Swedish national water.
Should not be there, but he was there with eighteen
souls on board, eighteen crew members.
Speaker 1: So okay, so we're cutting in here, Beatrices joining us,
and we're going to be talking about your you know,
you're you did a beautiful presentation, by the way, and
I've been always fascinated and I was so glad to
have you as a guest. I think it was in
twenty twenty two, I believe, I think so. So anyway,
it's great to have you back. But okay, so we
want to continue on where he was just telling us
about the submarine.
Speaker 3: So we're going out and we're on the way.
Speaker 2: Shipwreck we are we're working with, So we're going to
pass this place, and so I put the side cancela
in the water and after half an hour we find
this cigar on the bottom, like as a go. Usually
when we find summarines they are broken or damage or
you know, in lots of podch In this case was
a summary intact.
Speaker 3: We see it directly. Wow.
Speaker 2: And that position also have no history of any ship
wrecks or nothing at all. It should not be anything there.
I had lots of meeting with the Russian Ambassadory, lots
of meeting every time. Ah, thank you Dennis, great, great,
but state to state we're taking care of that, and
I just wo, we have found it. So twenty twenty one,
coming up to the Russian Ambasaidiary in Stockholm and he's.
Speaker 3: Oh, then as well, come another type of person, and
they said that okay, let's look.
Speaker 2: Forward, I forget about the few what happened, and we
want you to sell us to a summarine.
Speaker 3: When can you do that? And I was one of
the oldest summary.
Speaker 2: In the world in good condition, so I was so happy,
even Peter. So we go home and celebrate and you know,
begin to update our salvage plan and we put lots
of time on that to even do ultrasound men look
at the steal if it's possible to lift it without
breaking it, and everything looks fine. And we had a
couple of meetings back and forth, back and forth. The
last meeting fourth of February twenty twenty two and improvement
all the papers. Ready, I have the right to salvage
one of the oldest summary in the world and bring
it to Sant Pietersburg.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, and lots of money, big contract.
Speaker 2: It is signed by putting right, signed by officers or
people there. So yeah, he proved it, so no problem.
So I was happiest guy in the world at that time.
Lots of money, of course, and the possibility also to
search for Swedish warships in Russian water.
Speaker 3: Wow, that was indeed. Yeah, okay, so yeah.
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. So what can you tell me? You know,
you know briefly about the anomaly, the Baltic Sea anomaly.
I remember when that news broke and I was watching.
I was like, oh my goodness, you know, really excited
about that. And then it kind of you know, there
were some people trying to explain it and saying it
was just a natural, you know, formation. But like I
said earlier, you kind of convinced me there's really something
to this. So let's just hear how that all transpired.
Speaker 2: Twenty eleven, we found the Baltic Sea anomally. It was
out in the Meadia and media like folks news in
this case, there was the first one say that this
is a rock, and I just want the heck. I mean,
you have not been there, you don't know the position,
You have not talked to me, so how do you
know that? After that, I try, of course to talk
to scientists about it, and they, oh.
Speaker 3: Denni's interesting, but you know, we have read the news.
It's a rock, it's a natural thing. And I said,
you know they're wrong. They have never been there, how
can you know?
Speaker 2: So the time is taking and I try my best
way to get people get interesting to it, but it
was impossible, but I have not given up.
Speaker 3: I have tried for many, many years.
Speaker 2: So now we have been out again last year, and
before that it was twenty nineteen with the people from Finland,
neighbor country that we have worked together with. And when
they're coming out and see it, and he was captive,
my friend over in Finland, he said, then.
Speaker 3: This is a natural thing, you know, he's a book.
Speaker 2: And when they're coming out and see it themselves, oh,
this is man man, this is constructed for sure. So
it was good for me. And now we were out
last year. Beatrice I met two years ago.
Speaker 4: I will not step on about.
Speaker 1: Blame you.
Speaker 2: So Beatrice I met two years ago and she had
the connection everything I need. So Beatrice, we decide to
do together the whole thing about the Baltic Sea. Anormally
stay on the ground, but you're doing a lot of things,
other things. But then we were out the last year
to get the scientists from France, Germany, US and Sweden,
and we used Stockholm University's ship with all the equipment,
the best, not my own because that is not the same.
Anyway we go out and of course the scientists were there.
You know that it's interesting come out on the Baltic Sea.
Some when they're out there there was what this is
something interesting? And lots of things happen out there, as
you know every time where you have been out there,
we have electric fail, you have problems and radiation systems
and so on, so on aerobs So I clicked repeatedly.
Speaker 1: I can't believe listening to your lecture, everything you put
down there stops working or something is wrong just connected
or whatever.
Speaker 3: Everything happened now with the university.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you have the best story there with a message.
Speaker 3: That you can take.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, but that's so crazy that anyway, So we
can be on our way out there almost at the
spot and the chaptain, because we have talked on a
way out the Dennis, what the experience do you have?
And I said, stop working, beast stops working, the robe
and so on. So he was curious, of course. And
then we're very we're very close to the object. He
said to me, Dennis, should we start up the should
we start up the motive be into so we can
get the free d image of the object.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course we started up.
Speaker 2: Then we're gonna we go on our way and then
we're coming exactly. The anomally is dogs. Then the gip
bet stops wreaking.
Speaker 1: And the thing that was really convincing to me is
there's a quarter inside of it or something, and then
two holes or did I hear.
Speaker 3: I think there's more holes than that. But yeah, you
know it's ability down there.
Speaker 1: It's bad, really bad. Now, someone asks you a good question,
because it came to my mind, is when are you
going to be able to try to take a sample
from this thing?
Speaker 5: Hopefully this year, I hopefully doesn't explode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not easy. We have tried before. It's
too hard. But if it's possible, we're going to do that.
Of course that's the right.
Speaker 1: And have people tried to find the location, Yeah, of course,
and of course that's top secret for your company.
Speaker 2: But when it's come to the Navy, the Swedish name
and the American and NATO, they know what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course they have been lurking around.
Speaker 1: With that's very very interesting. Well, yeah, I'm fascinated. Now
I'm going to be following this because that's funny because
last year when we met, I'm saying, yeah, I don't
know if I really buy into that. And then I
listened to your presentation. It's like you did change my
mind today to yeah, it really is so Beatrice. Now
I'm going to focus on you and thank you for
the work you've done. And you know a lot of
people may have not seen the show that you were
on before, so I'm going to have to ask you
to go into the whole thing if you wouldn't mind. Beatrice,
you had no interest in UFOs. You never even thought
about UFOs when you started to do your research as
an astronomer in these plates. So let's just take it
from there.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, UFOs was something, and I was considering like
people who see them thoughts. I was marinated in all
these land you know, in the stigma sure, and then
I had that perspective. I was super interested in sea
anomally and because it's something it's very nuts and bolts,
it's something you can test and it was super cool.
And I was following that thing all the time, every
news they were having. I was following these fan groups
as a student. So it opened my mind the kind
of research I was doing later, because without it maybe
I would have been still maybe doing some very boring work.
I beg ga active galactic nucleios. Well, anyway, the thing
of searching for vanishing stars is what really got me there.
I got this crazy idea while I was writing a fable,
and it then turned into this obsession to search for
vanishing stars and vanishing objects. And I wanted to find
this kind of big, fat star that is there in
one hundred images and later vanishes into nothingness. And that
was kind of my dream, and that's how the Vasco
project was created.
Speaker 4: We found zero of those.
Speaker 5: We found all this like it's like starke objects on
the play like first I thought it was single things.
Speaker 4: At first I thought there was a single objects.
Speaker 5: Then we found this cluster of stars that appear and
vanish with in a plate exposure, not stars, but starlike objects.
Speaker 4: And I started realizing, oh shit, this is something else.
Speaker 5: We calculated like the distance to these objects, and we
realized they had to be in the inner Solar system,
because otherwise you can't have a group of objects appearing
and vanishing like nine of them. And it wasn't caused
by any extinction. It wasn't caused by any I mean
anything that we could explain, like from an astronomical point
of view that we were thinking maybe it's some type
of very rare contamination of the plates. But the problem
was that it wasn't only one object that had a
star like brightness profiles. You had groups where they varied
in intensity. These stars in brightness but still has star
like brightness profiles. And since we're dealing with photographic plates
where it's a totally different way of evaluating these open
extended modern CCDs, that was quite a big deal to
me because it showed it a very unlikely coincidence. So
what could create this, I mean these objects? Well, it
could be either that you have something emitting a light
or like some light being emitted for half a second
or a very brief amount of time, or something reflecting
the sunlight. And we decided to go out and look
for several of these objects in a line, which would
be a typical thing of if you have light reflection.
We found some examples that are statistically extremely unlikely. We
have used the skeptic's own statistical methods to assess the probabilities,
and they are super likely, like one in ten thousand
is one of the candidates. Now there are even better
candidates found by our person called Brian Doherty, who's doing
some independent and also collaborative work with us on the
transits so we can find these sort of events in
the data set. The most important was what happened last year.
So Stephen Brule has been leading our work where he
has searched for these correlations between our transients and UFOs
and yukes.
Speaker 4: And yes, we do see.
Speaker 5: Like statistical significant correlations in time between these three types
of events nukes, bows and transcends. And another thing, because
people always are trying to be skeptic and trying to say, oh,
could it be something on the plane, some condeminations, an
atomic bomb, you know, particles or some cosmic rays.
Speaker 1: That one, Yes, you can't.
Speaker 4: Even explain anything there.
Speaker 5: But the thing that totally kills off cosmic RaSE playtifs
all these Monday things is that there's a defvisit of
transience in the Earth's.
Speaker 1: Shadow and you would not. So I think that's a
really good point considering what you know, a recent thing
that came out, you know, trying to explain it is
that And so I'm glad you're saying this just to
clear that up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there has been so confusions because we had a
little bit of exchange on his medium post and he
goes in and changes the medium. So I don't know
then what version I'm discussing with. But the problem is
here that if if it would be cosmic craze, there's.
Speaker 4: No way they're going to be vanishing in the Earth's shadow.
Speaker 5: At forty two thousand kilometers altitude, And the fist of
transits in the Earth shadow is of just smoking gun
of that. These are like reflections, solar reflections, because in
the Earth shadow, nothing is going to reflect the sunlight.
And we also have to remember that, yes, at low altitude,
if you're at Lego or if you have the Earth surface,
you're going to be in the Earth shadow at night
all the time. But the observatory is of course, I
mean they only can see the stars during the night.
So that's not the Earth shadow we are thinking of.
We are thinking of the Earth shadow at forty two
thousand kilomedio's altitude, and that's where we see the de
visit and that's why it's so important. These are no
cosmic rays, these are no plate defects. These are solid objects,
solid flat, highly reflected objects at higher altitude orbiting the Earth.
Speaker 1: Well, you were contacted about the nineteen fifty two I
think it was July nineteenth through the twenty first, something
like that. When you were first thrown that idea, did
you brush it off at first or right away? Did
you say, wow, this could really be something?
Speaker 4: Wow? I said. This is my friend Dave Waldman that
contacted me and said.
Speaker 5: Hey, do you recognize the dates of this new latest
candidate and other No.
Speaker 1: Look it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's super interesting.
Speaker 5: And I'm so grateful today that they show this because
thanks to him, we now have learned. I mean, there's
a complete paper that comes out based on ispothesis that
we could cost our only because I talked today and
because they sent me this information.
Speaker 4: Without it, we wouldn't have the paper.
Speaker 1: And you wouldn't be sitting here right now exactly had and.
Speaker 4: What's the influenced Thank you Dave Altman. Yeah, yeah, so
that was like super cool.
Speaker 5: And also these things with solar reflections as to me
being super important. And then actually there are some independent
scientists that work without data sets, and of course they
are if they can get our data set, they replicate
the results. So and also one also found an unexpected
correlation or anti correlation with geomagnetic storm activity, which is
the complete opposite of what you'd expect if you think
they are cosmic race.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. Now that you look up,
it's a big sky, and I know you're talking about
being in the shadow the way you're supposed to. But
there's still it's endless. But I don't know how deep
these plates go, how far out there, how many stars
you have that you can continue because I think I
saw I heard a number you say, six hundred million.
Did you say something like that?
Speaker 5: We have scan six hundred million stars and there's probably
one billion of objects on these plates, so it's.
Speaker 4: A huge amount.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: We had to go through it to collect two and
a half years for and Ricky to complete the complete.
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you this, is there any way
you can use AI today?
Speaker 4: We're doing it today.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 5: So the plan is also to we have actually used
machine learning to even more rule out the plate defect
and cosmic ray hypothesis, because we can see with machine
learning is that the cleaner your data set is, the
stronger are all these correlations like the deficit in the
Earth shadow gets much bigger.
Speaker 4: The correlation with nukes and the transitions also gets much
bigger and simpler.
Speaker 5: The cleaner the data set. Thanks to machine learning, the
stronger it gets. So by that I mean we already
can say what it's not.
Speaker 1: And can you also talk about the proposed telescopes that
could do some really interesting research.
Speaker 5: Yes, So originally these telescopes where we were planning to
put at least two telescopes or MU three watching the
same spot of the sky in the Earth's shadow to
look for luminous objects because that could be interesting a
UFO that the shiny and has its own light and
getting the spectrum of it. Now that we know that
a lot of these objects are there but they are reflecting,
that means we have to change a research plans. So
what we've been doing lately is that we have actually
I can't give the full details yet, but we have
done a study where we have a retree like estimated
the sizes, the shapes, the altitudes of these objects where
they are located. We learn a lot both from the
data and from modeling. We have our really really smart
person helping us to do these simulations.
Speaker 4: So we learned a lot of things about this object.
Speaker 5: But also some peculiarities that only can be seen in
the VASCO data and that are highly indicative of intelligence.
So what we will do is to search for these
unique signatures in the modern sky nice and we want
to do it with these telescopes, so we already know
where to look at which altitudes.
Speaker 4: We need still to purchase a second telescope.
Speaker 5: We have one telescope already running and taking data that
is being analyzed, but we also need a second telescope.
And once you have the parallax, you estimate the distances
that we can study this unique signature that is indicative
of intelligence and better understand what objects we are dealing with.
Speaker 4: So that's something I really look forward to.
Speaker 5: I hope we will be able to publish the paper
where we've been looking at all these properties in.
Speaker 4: A couple of weeks or so, hope.
Speaker 1: So, but then we.
Speaker 5: Should also submit for peer review and go through the
whole pain again with all the stigma and all the
referees that get scared when you write non human artifacts.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's a little I have to say,
the stigmas is a lot less these days than it
used to be, so it's probably a little bit easier
for you. Because before twenty seventeen, anyone I ever talked
to astrophysicists or any scientists. They didn't want anything to
do with this topic because of the stigma and that
there was no funding. You know, those were the two things.
When there's no end result possible, we can't get funding.
That's what they used to tell me. So, but this
is really interesting. Now I'm going to ask you, so,
now that you've had this revelation and all the work
that you've done, are you looking around to see the
UFO world, Like, what are people talking about? The tic TAC,
the situation or any of the other ones are like
you really, yeah, it's I definitely.
Speaker 4: Am doing that.
Speaker 5: I hope to have a chance to see Skywatcher doing
their work in practice. They're doing super cool stuff, the
Skywatcher guys.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yes, I'm yeah.
Speaker 5: So that's something I hope to do get the opportunity
because you know, I never seen an UFO, so this
might be my watch. Well.
Speaker 1: I know that you were recently with the Tedesco brothers
and I was out there last year. So amazing are
they It's so great skilled and they have all that
wonderful equipment and it's really, you know, quite amazing. And
I was telling Dennis that I think it was right
after we I didn't tell you this, but I think
it was. Didn't they see something after our left? Or
was it the next day?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think that's all the day after all the day
in there, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: I remember some over film some pictures to me and
said that it was something. That is something yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's kind of like fishing, you know
when you go to fish, when you put the string
in the water and you're waiting and waiting and wait,
and it's kind of like, you know, they have such patience.
Speaker 5: They're patient, they're incredibly skilled, they're open minded, and that's
why to see things. No amount of funding is going
to help a project where people are scared of losing
incredibility in front of their colleagues, because once you have
that mindset, you won't see anything because it will be
filtering away all the animalists. It will be a lot
of false negatives. So that the Brothers are is so
beautiful important work.
Speaker 1: And you know, fear is the reason we've been held
back in science so many times, go all the way
back to Galileo, you know what I mean, there was
always these things fear based. No, this can't be right.
So yeah, I think it's we're in really interesting times.
Speaker 5: Leading the way and I really would love to join
them again and actually spend several hours in the night
and see all these works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is like this. Also, when you
have seen some of you cannot let it go. Yes,
it's impossible.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm here. Yeah, you know, I had a
UFO setting in two thousand and seven, and you know,
I'm in the antiques and arts and all that stuff,
and that was my focus. And I have a friend
who I don't know if you ever heard of the
show over here in England called the Antiques Roadshow? Have
you ever heard of that? Now? It's where things people
bring these things in. Well, he's on TV and we
have share an office together, and he tells me about
an unbelievable sighting he had where the thing actually shot
up and a jet chased it and then it burst
into lights. I mean, it's an incredible story. So I said,
didn't that change your life? Because I could care less.
So there are people everyone handles it differently, but myself,
it changed totally changed my life. You know.
Speaker 5: I spent since it was this small looking up at
the sky and hoping to see a spaceship coming.
Speaker 1: But I never said, well, I want to ask you.
We have a little bit of time left here. You
have quite a background. I read your background and it's unbelievable.
So when you were a little girl, did you want
to be an astronomer? I mean, right away, want to.
Speaker 4: Be a musician?
Speaker 1: Was right?
Speaker 5: Yeah. I liked music and I liked writing a lot. Well,
I actually liked astronomy a lot in the space in
the universe. But then as a teenager, I fell in
love with biotechnology, well like your biology and all these things,
and I actually started it until fourth year at university
when I found it dead boarding. I had overexposed myself
too early, and I reached an oversaturation where I couldn't
hear about the central dogma anymore, and I just like
I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I just reached a saturation limit.
Speaker 5: And then I started discovering quasars and the whole story
with Halton Arp, and I took more and more astronomy
courses and I became an astronomer. And I have that
unfinished biotech degree somewhere there.
Speaker 1: But you know, it happened exactly the way it was
supposed to. Really I mean, you were supposed to be
a look look what you've done, and so I would
imagine that you feel it was a gift.
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's been a gift to this journey.
It's been a lot of unpleasant things as well at
the same time. But you can't have the beautiful thing
without having to deal with the dark side of humans.
Because you have something very good, there are others who
are upset on unique having it.
Speaker 4: It's always going to be like that.
Speaker 1: So are you optimistic about the possibility of getting funding
to look more into what you want to do research
on I am.
Speaker 5: Optimistic because I believe people recognize the importance of the
work both that we are doing but also that has
to be done because there is a huge territorium that
hasn't been explored by civilians. So far, it has been
explored by militaries, but now it's time also for civilians
to try to catch up and share this knowledge. Share
what has been known by others for seventy years. It's
our due to not to try to be a bridge
with a transience. I'm sure that this has been known.
Whatever objects are there is known by others by governments
that are highly leed.
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't say we have discovered anything.
Speaker 5: I would say we are confirming findings that already have
been claimed by others and been in in order or
wiped under the carpets. So that's my point of view.
There are no Nobal prices here to get. There's a
confirmation we can do for humanity, our work we have
to do for.
Speaker 1: Humanity right right? And is do you compliment each other
in any type of work? How does how does that?
How do you two work together and help each other
with everything else?
Speaker 4: Everything?
Speaker 3: I must say we have the same interest. In my case,
you have not seen it.
Speaker 2: I have seen it that changed my life also back
in time. And after that, I understand we are we
have something. I don't know really what it is. I
saw something that changed my life.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about we have a few minutes comming
to that in a few minute versions. Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker 2: I can do a short one. Yes, nineteen ninety six
is back in time. Then I lived it outside of Stockholm,
not far from Stockholm Cite, very close to military installation.
I have two teenagers boys and a wife laying and
my and my wife are laying in the bed and
three thirty three or something, three thirty early in the
morning in the spring, the sun is on his way up.
As it is in Scandinavia, the sun is going up
very early. And for some reason, even today thinking about it,
why do I wake up so early? Usually at that
time I use my time to sleep because I'm working
a lot.
Speaker 3: I wake up.
Speaker 2: I laying in my bed for ten minutes, and then
I decided to go up to the kitchen or drink water.
Speaker 3: So I was sitting in my bed.
Speaker 2: And front of me, I have a big window, and
outside of my window, I have this military installation called.
Speaker 4: Fuba the Swedish research.
Speaker 2: The sun was on his way up, and I looked
there and I see something hovering over the installation. And
it takes me a couple of seconds before my brain
is connecting me because I have something outside of my house.
Speaker 3: I have never ever seen it.
Speaker 2: Before, and so I begin to use the F word
to get my wife's attention, you know, please come up
and look out the window with something very strange.
Speaker 3: And she turned around and I turn around.
Speaker 2: We look at each other, and she was scared because
that is not Dennis.
Speaker 3: I usually sleep and.
Speaker 2: Don't do like that in the morning, and I turn
around again and I see it still there, and then
I decide to go up standing in front of the
window and look at it. And then happens that the
thing that you know, almost my heart stops and I
see it in this angle.
Speaker 3: I don't see it's round or something. It looks like
a cigar and doing like this.
Speaker 2: And then I see it's round and the sunlight is
not going it's dark under it now. And then it's
flying on my house like you're throwing a frisbee. And
I'm running over my wife to the other seat side
of the apartment, and she was scared because she did
not understand really what's hap running over her coming to
the battle and on the other side standing there and
she's coming Dennis, Dennis, I don't know. I have seen
something very strange. And then after thirty seconds, my other
to my two sons.
Speaker 3: Has come, Papa, Papa, that's wrong. So that was an
interesting morning, but that changed my life. Talk to you.
Speaker 2: So before that I did not think about Ufo or UAPs.
I had seen Star wars eed and inside of people
have done.
Speaker 3: But that morning that changed my life.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Well I want to thank you both so much.
It's been a real pleasure, so nice. Well we met before, Dennis,
but so nice to meet you in person. It's been
really great, really great, and I'm glad you're having wonderful
times this beautiful spot here.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, thank you, thank you for having us