Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys, Welcome to episode thirteen of A
Speaker 1: Strange Thing Podcast, Big one three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so, just in full disclosure, uh, this is
Speaker 2: our third attempt to do a remote recording session for
Speaker 2: our thirteenth episode. Yeah, so, what's happened to Austin in
Speaker 2: the world that maybe people don't know about that could
Speaker 2: have caused us to social distance with each other?
Speaker 1: Well, the pandemic otherwise known as Corona Corona COVID nineteen.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't keep going. You gotta take a heat.
Speaker 1: Austin's got a you know, you can't go to barbershops,
Speaker 1: so his hair is just getting out of control.
Speaker 2: You kind of looked like, well you used to look
Speaker 2: like Fabio.
Speaker 1: All right, head is gone.
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: That'sotna be funny. When you turn on your computer in there,
Speaker 1: I am it was this Jesus wig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was weird you turn it on here.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna surprise you because I got
Speaker 1: this nice little cool sign back here. I did you
Speaker 1: one better?
Speaker 2: You did? You totally did. Yeah, So we were saying
Speaker 2: that before you had to take your hair off. It
Speaker 2: was awful that This is episode thirteen, and this is
Speaker 2: our third attempt to record episode thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yep, in usual.
Speaker 2: Fashion, we started out with good intentions of talking about
Speaker 2: dreams and we ended up derailed and talked about everything
Speaker 2: better than dreams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we had been a little bit libated.
Speaker 2: I think so. And plus, you know, it's been stressful.
Speaker 2: We haven't been able to actually be in each other's
Speaker 2: presence because of the social is socialis Yeah, we haven't
Speaker 2: been able to be in each other's presence because of
Speaker 2: social isolation.
Speaker 1: That's hard to say straight. Three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't even had that many beers. I've had
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Speaker 1: You see it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 1: But if you get two of them and probably send
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It depends how I package him, and it's expensive to
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Speaker 2: you want a strange thing glass, we have sold a
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if we're going to go big time, if
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Speaker 2: Tell your friends about us, Say like, there are these
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Speaker 2: not too serious. Yeah, we're just like normal guys.
Speaker 1: But we like although I had some crazy hair, yes
Speaker 1: you did, to start with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and which brings us to another point. We are
Speaker 2: using zoom and recording this to a video as well
Speaker 2: as audio. So if you want to see what we
Speaker 2: look like, which I had no idea why you'd want
Speaker 2: to do that, but if you do, you can go
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Speaker 2: It'll be our first episode that we're ever.
Speaker 1: Doing on YouTube, so it'll be kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not streaming live, we're just putting it up there.
Speaker 1: Yep. We might have to edit out our ramblings.
Speaker 2: We do ramble. We apologize for that, but it's just
Speaker 2: what we do. We're bored here in southern Idaho.
Speaker 1: That's how it goes. It is, and we haven't had
Speaker 1: any human contact, that's right.
Speaker 2: It's been it's been weird. It's been very weird. Last
Speaker 2: couple months have been very strange. And you know, speaking
Speaker 2: about the dream topic that we're talking about, because things
Speaker 2: have been so weird, we are actually diverting a little bit.
Speaker 1: We were going to talk about all the eight different
Speaker 1: categories and give examples through history of people who had
Speaker 1: dreams in those eight categories, just as a teaser.
Speaker 2: One of them was Mary Shelley, the author Frankenstein.
Speaker 3: I saw the pale student of unhallowed arts, kneeling beside
Speaker 3: the thing he had put together. I saw the hideous
Speaker 3: phantasm of a man stretched out and then on the
Speaker 3: working of some powerful engine, show signs of life and
Speaker 3: stir with an uneasy, half vital motion. Frightful must it be?
Speaker 3: For supremely frightful would be the effect of any human
Speaker 3: endeavor to mark the stupendous mechanism of the creator of
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: She was inspired to write Frankenstein by a dream. But
Speaker 2: we're not going to go deep to that because we're
Speaker 2: derailing That's what this is. This is a derailment, kind.
Speaker 1: Of like Corona derailed the world all of other plans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are derailing our regular scheduled topic of dreams, and
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about something that's very interesting
Speaker 1: and it is called coronavirus pandemic dreams. It's actually a thing.
Speaker 1: It's being studied by lots of different sleep study people
Speaker 1: all over the world. There are institutes that are studying
Speaker 1: this phenomenon and it's real. And so if you are
Speaker 1: having strange dreams during this time because of whatever reason,
Speaker 1: you're not alone. There's a lot of people doing it,
Speaker 1: and that's what we're going to talk about today. A
Speaker 1: lot of people not being able to sleep as well.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, yeah, and I don't know what I think.
Speaker 2: In our last episode, we talked a little bit about
Speaker 2: how dreams are probably a way that our mind, in
Speaker 2: our subconscious state, tries to figure out and solve problems
Speaker 2: or deals with stressors and that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 2: for the most part, you don't remember them, right, they
Speaker 2: just kind of go away. This episode, we're going to
Speaker 2: try to talk specifically about this strange phenomena called coronavirus pandemic.
Speaker 1: Dreams dreams, and it is the thing. And I've seen
Speaker 1: five or six articles that have just come across on
Speaker 1: mainstream channels about this phenomena.
Speaker 2: It's just happening.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Austin, have you had any strange
Speaker 1: pandemic dreams readers die this version. I've had some weird ones,
Speaker 1: but nothing too crazy. I had a dream about helping
Speaker 1: my cousin, but that didn't really have to do with
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and a lot of like just constantly shifting dreams,
Speaker 1: like you're in one storyline, it seems, and then that
Speaker 1: same storyline a different environment all of a sudden, and
Speaker 1: then you're in a different place and fixing. You know,
Speaker 1: you're in a video game or whatever. I've had a
Speaker 1: lot of weirder dreams lately, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's because I'm thinking about them or because maybe you're
Speaker 1: worried about them. There there, I know which cousin you're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: They are expecting a child soon and you just had
Speaker 2: a child, So there's that common link, and maybe there's
Speaker 2: a little bit of concern that's kind of bubbling through.
Speaker 2: One thing interesting about what they believe that is causing
Speaker 2: these lucid dreams that people are remembering is that stressors
Speaker 2: are usually dealt with at night in your rim state.
Speaker 2: So usually what happens during rimstate you have dreams and
Speaker 2: your subconscious is dealing with all these things, but because
Speaker 2: you are in a deep sleep, you don't ever remember them.
Speaker 2: But because of all the anxiety and stress that's going on,
Speaker 2: people aren't falling as deeply asleep and their sleep is poor,
Speaker 2: so they go into rimstate, and they have this thing
Speaker 2: it's called emotional disinhibition.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a yeah, or words gore, And basically it's
Speaker 1: a state where all these emotions flood your rem stay
Speaker 1: and your dreams, and because you're not sleeping deeply and
Speaker 1: you wake up periodically through the whole.
Speaker 2: Thing, you remember them.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, And you.
Speaker 2: Know, another thing that was really interesting is that, you know,
Speaker 2: I was reading this article about what dreams are, and
Speaker 2: they say dreams are a lot like having a psychedelic trip,
Speaker 2: like if you're on drugs.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same kind of chemical thing that happens
Speaker 2: in your mind and they're very similar. But because you're
Speaker 2: waking up, you're remembering these trips that your brain takes.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and so people are experiencing all kinds of
Speaker 2: these and I kind of like you, you know, I've
Speaker 2: had strange dreams. I'm not sleeping.
Speaker 1: Deeply, I wake up and then I fall back to sleep,
Speaker 1: but they're just really disassociated. There's nothing really creepy about it,
Speaker 1: I think, because I don't know, I'm not really worried
Speaker 1: about the whole COVID thing. Yeah, I know, it's very
Speaker 1: serious for a lot of people, but for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't stress me out.
Speaker 2: Now, what does stress me out is.
Speaker 1: You know, worrying about my family, worrying about my dad,
Speaker 1: worrying about you guys, making sure you're financially okay, making
Speaker 1: sure that nobody's you know, in trouble, losing their jobs
Speaker 1: financially or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's my concern, and that probably keeps me awake. Your mom,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, she stresses about it. She's a
Speaker 2: rule follower and and so she's very distressed that she
Speaker 2: can't be around all her kids and grandkids, but she
Speaker 2: wants to follow the rules. She's concerned about, like her
Speaker 2: work that she does and doing a good job for them,
Speaker 2: and all of that makes her not sleep deeply. But
Speaker 2: also there's a lot of emotion behind it. So she's
Speaker 2: had dreams of like her mom visiting her, her mom
Speaker 2: that passed, you know, last year, and that she came.
Speaker 2: She doesn't really remember what all happened, and although she
Speaker 2: was there with her, So her dreams are a little
Speaker 2: more poignant than mine. But for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: especially people in like the healthcare industry, they're having very
Speaker 2: specific dreams and it's creepy. It's really weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird that like our consciousness as a whole, like
Speaker 1: a whole society, like the whole world. Really, yeah, we've
Speaker 1: all shifted to worry about the same thing, all at
Speaker 1: the same time, all of a sudden. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: you know, on a normal day, I worry about finances.
Speaker 1: You know, Am I spending too much money on my
Speaker 1: lunch break? Is my son okay at daycare? Is my
Speaker 1: wife having a good day? Do I have enough gas?
Speaker 1: Or my tire is going to make it through the year?
Speaker 1: You know? But now collectively, as a whole, we're all
Speaker 1: worried about the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then it makes you wonder if it's like the like
Speaker 1: the human consciousness that is causing these dreams too, you know,
Speaker 1: like the energy. I don't know, Yeah, like I like
Speaker 1: if there's an you're getting a little esoteric, but uh,
Speaker 1: like if there's like this this energy, negative energy that's
Speaker 1: in the world built up because of everybody, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that negative energy is causing people to dream weird dreams
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, And whether it's like a big woo
Speaker 1: wu thing where there's like this energy mixing with people
Speaker 1: or just everywhere you go, you got Facebook, Instagram, even
Speaker 1: like I went to Duluth Trading Post or trading company
Speaker 1: website and it says because of coronavirus or COVID nineteen,
Speaker 1: we got a blah blah blah blah blah. So you
Speaker 1: can't go anywhere without worrying about this thing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: in your face all the time, and it's interrupting my life,
Speaker 1: like my daily life, like I've been late to work
Speaker 1: more and uh, I left the garage door open a
Speaker 1: few times this week overnight. And yeah, it's just weird.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like infesting.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I keep I keep losing crap. So
Speaker 2: I've lost my keys, I've lost my wallet, I lose
Speaker 2: my belt every stinking day. And how far can it go.
Speaker 2: I'm in the house all stinking day. Where can it go?
Speaker 1: Lost your hair color, lost my hair period. But I
Speaker 1: think it's because, you know, we're kind of all cooped
Speaker 1: up where we're trying to find escapes, and our mind
Speaker 1: isn't quite stimulated like it usually is because of all,
Speaker 1: we're not engaging.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 1: And when you do engage, like at work, now we
Speaker 1: have to put a little thing on our head and
Speaker 1: make sure our temperature, make sure we don't have a fever,
Speaker 1: I know. And so like it seems like you can't
Speaker 1: get away from it, you know, like even when you're
Speaker 1: not at home, you're not in quarantine because I'm an essential.
Speaker 1: I get to work and only thing they talk about
Speaker 1: is are you surviving the apocalypse? Yeah, as your family
Speaker 1: do you need toilet paper?
Speaker 2: And it's like, golly, it doesn't go away. It's like
Speaker 2: there all the time.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense that it would kind of like
Speaker 1: snake its weight down into your dreams, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because it's something new and it's with.
Speaker 1: You all the time. Yeah, I mean you can only imagine,
Speaker 1: like back say it like when the World War two started.
Speaker 1: So it was that December seventh, nineteen forty one, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Pearl Harbor is attacked and we
Speaker 1: launched into the war and from then on for the
Speaker 1: next few years, it was every day. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So right now it's been what a month and a half,
Speaker 2: two months, and we've been dealing with it every day.
Speaker 2: And I can only imagine that back then people were
Speaker 2: doing the same kind of dream things. Oh, I'll bet yeah,
Speaker 2: and like it like in the Civil War and afterwards,
Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln, he was dreaming all kinds of weird dreams.
Speaker 4: I soon began to dream. I heard subdued psalms, as
Speaker 4: if a number of people were weeping. I left my
Speaker 4: bed and walked it downstairs. There I met with a
Speaker 4: sicken surprise before me. It was a catafalque, one which
Speaker 4: rested a corpse wrapped in funeral investments. Around it was
Speaker 4: stationed soldiers who are acting as gods. And there was
Speaker 4: a throng of people gazing mournfully upon the corpse, whose
Speaker 4: face was covered others weeping pitifully. Who was dead in
Speaker 4: the White House? I demanded of one of the soldiers.
Speaker 4: The president was his answer.
Speaker 2: He was killed by an assassin. He dreamed of his
Speaker 2: own assassination. We'll talk about that when we get into
Speaker 2: dream types and people that have had dreams in those types.
Speaker 2: But it's so it's documented that this is what happens
Speaker 2: in times of stress for people. To our listeners, I'm
Speaker 2: imagining they are experiencing that stuff, at least a few
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: And if if it's a good time to just mention it,
Speaker 1: you are having crazy dreams during this corona nonsense, then
Speaker 1: shoot us an email at my story Yeah, my story
Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a Strange Thing dot com.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, we can review them and maybe share
Speaker 1: them if they're good. You better have good dreams. Who knows,
Speaker 1: Maybe you're you sharing your dream will help somebody else
Speaker 1: who's wondering if they're like need to go see a
Speaker 1: psychiatrist or called psychologists.
Speaker 2: Because of their dreams.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if this whole topic, like I often say,
Speaker 2: if this whole topic kind of creeps you out and
Speaker 2: you're tempted to not listen anymore, just take a deep breath,
Speaker 2: keep listening. And if you need to call your psychologist, Cali,
Speaker 2: your therapist, get her on the phone, have her download
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Speaker 2: and tell your friends about us, you know, I think
Speaker 2: that's the best way. Tell your friends about us. Get us,
Speaker 2: get us out there, and hopefully, you know, we won't
Speaker 2: drive people too crazy. Speaking of driving people.
Speaker 1: Crazy, do you dare you see this? Don't you freaking dare?
Speaker 2: I got a cheeto. I brought it just for you.
Speaker 2: Don't oh you even hear? It's so Daryl, it goes
Speaker 2: so well with my beer. Sorry, I had to do that.
Speaker 2: I want to give you nightmares.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm I'm not worried about coronaviruses chewing it. So
Speaker 1: speaking about nightmares, there are positive ways and dreams that
Speaker 1: stressors are dealt with, and those are usually strange lucid dreams.
Speaker 1: Then there are nightmares, and nightmares are another category where
Speaker 1: people who study this believe that your mind is trying
Speaker 1: to tell you something to be aware of, something to
Speaker 1: look out for, something to be wary. So if you're
Speaker 1: having nightmares, you know, you might want to like take
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of ax, yeah x x, or take an inventory of
Speaker 2: what's going on and kind of analyze yourself and maybe
Speaker 2: you could turn that nightmare into a kind of positive thing.
Speaker 1: Like how I was talking about that snake it was
Speaker 1: seeking into the house and eating you in a previous episode, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a few episodes ago, or maybe the last one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was because during that time period, you
Speaker 1: were leaving for long periods of time, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: snake maybe Salt Lake snake, I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: a long long ways away and you were afraid, and
Speaker 1: snakes are symbol of often of what people are afraid of.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I never realized that as
Speaker 1: a kid. But now that I look back, because that
Speaker 1: dream was reoccurring and it stuck with me so much
Speaker 1: and it was a nightmare. As I look back as
Speaker 1: an adult, I'm like, Wow, during that time, I was
Speaker 1: afraid of losing my dad because he was gone all
Speaker 1: the time. You know.
Speaker 2: So, hey, you know I think these stressors cause well,
Speaker 2: they cause changes in your sleep pattern, right because you're
Speaker 2: stressed about them. You might be sleeping, going to bed
Speaker 2: later or earlier, or you might not be able to
Speaker 2: sleep all the way through, or you're interrupted. Like if
Speaker 2: you're working in the healthcare industry and you're a nurse
Speaker 2: or a doctor and you're breaking long hours and you're
Speaker 2: dealing with people that are in really dire straits, and
Speaker 2: you're dealing with other people that are coming and freaking
Speaker 2: out because there hypochondriacs. You know, it's a it's a cluster.
Speaker 1: It is. There's all kinds of things that stimulate your dreams,
Speaker 1: and right now there's all kinds of things that are
Speaker 1: stimulating you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, stimulation not the good kind.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Doing a little study that I've done, they're saying, what
Speaker 1: is different about pandemic dreams is that pandemic dreams are
Speaker 1: colored by stress, isolation, and changes in sleep pattern, and
Speaker 1: basically there's a scroll of negative emotions that basically set
Speaker 1: them apart from other kinds of dreams. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's really true. I mean there
Speaker 2: is no answers. This is an invisible enemy, right, And
Speaker 2: I think healthcare industry workers have visions that are very
Speaker 2: specific or or dreams that are very specific about what
Speaker 2: they see, which is people.
Speaker 1: Struggling for breath or pneumonia or horrible medical crisis. But
Speaker 1: for the rest of us that don't see those images,
Speaker 1: this is an invisible bug. This is an invisible virus.
Speaker 1: You can't see with your eye. You don't know if
Speaker 1: it's there. It could be on nothing or it could
Speaker 1: be on everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, and so how do you how does
Speaker 2: your mind deal with it? Well, it creates crazy things
Speaker 2: that symbolize that in your dream. So they're usually scary things.
Speaker 1: So, like in one of the articles, people are dreaming
Speaker 1: a lot about like bugs, snakes, zombies. No, that on't
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. Yeah, I love a good zombie dream, right.
Speaker 2: And being chased by an invisible adversary that they can't see.
Speaker 2: Or being locked away or grabbing their family and locking
Speaker 2: them away.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, being isolated, being like kidnapped.
Speaker 2: Or right, or seeing your loved ones kidnapped.
Speaker 1: Yep, so creepy is creepy.
Speaker 2: So we'll probably both have bad dreams tonight. I hope
Speaker 2: it's talking about it.
Speaker 1: I have been thinking about dreams a lot more too,
Speaker 1: so it's hard. I might have a skewed I might
Speaker 1: be like a non placebo study myself on whether or
Speaker 1: not this coronavirus or if it's just me constantly thinking
Speaker 1: about dreams because we're talking about it now, We've talked
Speaker 1: about it three nights in depth on the computer, and
Speaker 1: I'm staying up late by myself and checking the doors
Speaker 1: forty times before I go to bed. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to say something though, Yeah, say it so in my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've left the garage store open a
Speaker 1: few times, and while all these terrible things are happening,
Speaker 1: may not even that terrible for some, probably very terrible.
Speaker 1: But while you're constantly thinking about how you know you
Speaker 1: can't get food at Walmart, you're you're worried about getting
Speaker 1: these germs. Like we've been talking my neighbors next across
Speaker 1: the street, they posted a sign in their yard says,
Speaker 1: if you need anything or you just want some prayer
Speaker 1: or somebody to talk to, you, give us a call
Speaker 1: and put their number on there.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 1: I thought that was super cool. And like I was saying,
Speaker 1: I left my garage door open. But then I walk outside.
Speaker 1: Instead of seeing you know, some old beat up car
Speaker 1: it's sitting in my driveway, I see my neighbors sign.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it felt weird because here I am
Speaker 1: struggling to keep my garage dorus shutting there out here
Speaker 1: promoting their own help. I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder maybe that's maybe you're onto something there.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe part of what causes those dreams. I mean,
Speaker 2: it depends on what you're focusing on. So there's this
Speaker 2: study here. I pulled it up and it's the Lion
Speaker 2: Neuroscience Research Center and it's in France. But they've been
Speaker 2: doing a study and they found that during this pandemic
Speaker 2: there's been a thirty five percent increase in dream recall.
Speaker 2: So usually you don't remember your dreams well because of
Speaker 2: the weirdness of sleep. Right now thirty five percent uptick
Speaker 2: and memorability.
Speaker 1: Right, probably because you're waking up after your dreams, I
Speaker 1: mean you're sleeping well. Yeah, And they've also documented that
Speaker 1: fifteen percent increases in scary or stressful dreams has increased.
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't believe that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're more negative than usual. But I'm wondering maybe
Speaker 2: it has to do with how you're seeing the pandemic.
Speaker 2: Another study that I read, and I can't remember which
Speaker 2: one it was, and I don't have it pulled up,
Speaker 2: but they were talking about that, like in the earthquake
Speaker 2: in California, that people that were near the epicenter had
Speaker 2: a much higher increase of memorable dreams, scary dreams, lucid
Speaker 2: dreams that happened near the epicenter. And then just like
Speaker 2: the actual shock wave, as it dispersed out, the volume
Speaker 2: of lucid dreams actually decreased proportionately to the epicenter of that.
Speaker 1: That's super weird.
Speaker 2: That is weird.
Speaker 1: So what we're finding in like New York or dense
Speaker 1: cities where there's a high volume and concentration of illness
Speaker 1: with this pandemic, lucid dreaming is off the chart. I bet.
Speaker 2: And as you get out into rural areas it tapers
Speaker 2: off dramatically.
Speaker 1: Well, do you think that could have something to do?
Speaker 1: This is me being kind of a skeptic person in general,
Speaker 1: with just the density of people. I think it could
Speaker 1: because the places where these epidemics, is that what it is,
Speaker 1: epidemic or pandemic, pandemic, pandem pandemic.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the difference is. We should look
Speaker 2: at that, and.
Speaker 1: They probably should. But these places where the pandemic is
Speaker 1: getting worse and worse and worse and worse. It's where
Speaker 1: there's apartment complexes, everybody's breathing the same air, everybody's they're
Speaker 1: bumping into each other on the sidewalk. You got homeless
Speaker 1: people grabbing your shoulder for a dollar on the way home.
Speaker 1: That seems to be the case where you know, out
Speaker 1: in the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where there's separation. Yeah, maybe your neighbor will come
Speaker 2: over and say, hey, I think you're onto something there too,
Speaker 2: because you know, think about what you and I see.
Speaker 2: So we hear about all the bad stuff. We see
Speaker 2: the negative stuff that goes on in New York and
Speaker 2: Florida and some of the other places. Italy, right, And
Speaker 2: there's another study in Italy which is crazy the amount
Speaker 2: of terrible nightmare dreams that they're having in Italy right now.
Speaker 2: But what do we see we see because of this pandemic.
Speaker 2: We see families out in the neighborhood walking their goat,
Speaker 2: with their dogs and their go types. They go, well,
Speaker 2: maybe that too, depending where you're at. I see so
Speaker 2: many good things that are going on. I see people
Speaker 2: rallying together for food banks, and I see churches doing
Speaker 2: online services for people and distributing masks. I see families
Speaker 2: getting out together the family unit, which they I haven't
Speaker 2: done forever.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen more people out as a family walking.
Speaker 1: But I live by the kind of by a walkway
Speaker 1: along a canal with ducks and you know, all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff and trees, And every time I drive by there,
Speaker 1: I have to stop pretty much for the crosswalk because
Speaker 1: there's mom and dad and two little kids on scooters
Speaker 1: walking down the trail, you know, and they stop the traffic.
Speaker 1: And it sucks because I have to stop. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, it.
Speaker 2: Makes you feel good.
Speaker 1: It's cool because during all this nonsense, you got this
Speaker 1: family and it's getting closer and closer together. I'm sure
Speaker 1: at home, the dad is like, stop talking, maybe all
Speaker 1: cooped up in the same house, but maybe.
Speaker 2: That's such a blessing for a lot of families. Now
Speaker 2: that's a different scenario. If you're in a dense city
Speaker 2: like New York and you're an apartment building that's you know,
Speaker 2: ten stories high, and the apartment complexes are you know,
Speaker 2: one bedroom studios and your sandwich side by side, there's
Speaker 2: no escape. You go out, what and you want to
Speaker 2: go out in the in the falcony and stand there
Speaker 2: and look at everybody else that's standing on the balcony.
Speaker 2: You go to the street or the subway, Where do
Speaker 2: you go?
Speaker 1: Even if you want to go to the store and
Speaker 1: grab some idolized toilet paper, you can't get a hold of.
Speaker 1: You got to get to a stairwhell or an elevator,
Speaker 1: and you're going to be stuck with somebody in these
Speaker 1: apartment complexes. And I think that's why it explodes Italy,
Speaker 1: New York. It's really dense population areas and.
Speaker 2: They can't get away.
Speaker 1: There's more people, more touching, more contact. We're talking and
Speaker 1: to tie that into this dreaming topic, that's where these crazy.
Speaker 2: Nightmares and dreams are exploding. It's crazy and you know,
Speaker 2: it tapers off as you get out from the country,
Speaker 2: but you know, some of the dreams are productive that
Speaker 2: people are having some of them also, even though they're
Speaker 2: in this weird area where a lot of crazy craps
Speaker 2: going on. Sometimes the dreams are you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of them, a high percentage are like deceased family members
Speaker 2: coming to them and giving them hope and perspective.
Speaker 1: That's cool, so terrifying.
Speaker 2: As bad as your brain may be throwing nightmare scenarios
Speaker 2: out there as a way to deal with it, it's
Speaker 2: also providing things that offer hope. And you know, it
Speaker 2: would be really interesting to do a study on the
Speaker 2: psychology of people that have good dreams versus bad dreams
Speaker 2: in those dense areas, to see what their difference of
Speaker 2: persona is, what their background is. Maybe some have deep faith,
Speaker 2: or maybe they have good family units, and maybe they
Speaker 2: have a different take on it in their subconscious then
Speaker 2: somebody who is you know, from a dysfunctional family or
Speaker 2: all alone. And I'm sure that all of those scenarios
Speaker 2: play into this pandemic dreaming thing.
Speaker 1: Yep. And I've noticed too, like I said, a lot
Speaker 1: of people have this lack of sleep, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people are dealing with depression, not having
Speaker 1: their jobs, Like a lot of people lost jobs over this,
Speaker 1: and a lot of like small business owners are panicking
Speaker 1: over you know, the uncertain future, and I think that
Speaker 1: causes a lot of depression and obviously anxiety. Yeah, part
Speaker 1: of those two illnesses, depression and anxiety is lack of sleep,
Speaker 1: a hard time sleeping, sleeping too much, you know, and
Speaker 1: then that can cause these crazy dreams as well, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially like you know, everything I've read and I've
Speaker 2: I've probably read ten or fifteen articles over this last
Speaker 2: week about dreams and what they are and how your
Speaker 2: mind is using that time too, everything from shorten the
Speaker 2: synaptic gap, you know, the length that the brain must
Speaker 2: travel to find information to deal with a complex situation
Speaker 2: in your dream state. That actually your brain is shortening
Speaker 2: those things so it's finding shortcuts to the right information
Speaker 2: so that can solve a problem. So it's doing that,
Speaker 2: it's dealing with all these psychological issues and it's trying
Speaker 2: to build bridges and gaps so that you're able to
Speaker 2: deal with stresses.
Speaker 1: In your life process things better in life.
Speaker 2: And you usually don't remember it unless you're not sleeping well,
Speaker 2: which is that I don't remember what. I called it
Speaker 2: emotional disinhibition. Disinhibition interesting and you know, honestly, people don't
Speaker 2: usually remember their dreams, but because of this heightened isolation
Speaker 2: and stress, people are just remembering them more. Do you
Speaker 2: think do you think that it's people are dreaming more
Speaker 2: or you think people are remembering them more. I think
Speaker 2: it's remembering more. You know, it might be more intense
Speaker 2: because the reality of it is a lot more intense.
Speaker 2: The ramifications of it are much more dire. You're going
Speaker 2: to deal with it more because it's a bigger problem, right,
Speaker 2: just like if you lock your keys in the car,
Speaker 2: that's a big problem. If you've left your keys on
Speaker 2: the counter, but you know where it is, it's still
Speaker 2: a problem.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know it's not in your car.
Speaker 2: A virus. You don't know, you don't know where it's at.
Speaker 2: You know what is Just look around when you go
Speaker 2: shopping shopping this evening and got some groceries, maybe sixty
Speaker 2: percent were wearing masks overhaf crazy.
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen that many people wearing masks, but it
Speaker 1: was the first.
Speaker 2: Time I had seen that many. And then you know,
Speaker 2: there's this like fear factor. When you put your masks on,
Speaker 2: you lose so much of your ability to read expressions.
Speaker 2: You mean, portray expression, no read them. So like you
Speaker 2: go out, you can't tell if somebody's smiling at you
Speaker 2: or if they're angry.
Speaker 1: All you do is you see half you see their eyes.
Speaker 1: The people with masks on are hard.
Speaker 2: Or you too. So you could go up and totally
Speaker 2: be kidding somebody and say something, but they can't see
Speaker 2: her this part of your face.
Speaker 1: Don't put your face.
Speaker 2: So they don't know they you know, they can't read it.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, they can't tell you're smiling or
Speaker 2: you know, blowing a kiss at him. They have no idea,
Speaker 2: which is fun. So I wore my mask when to
Speaker 2: Fred Myers went to all the eighties and blue kisses
Speaker 2: at him. They had no idea. I didn't really do that,
Speaker 2: but that'd be fun. I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: How do you know they're cute if they got masks on,
Speaker 1: we'll see there you go, they got wispy with wispy eyes.
Speaker 1: But then but then they take their mask off and
Speaker 1: they're I guess.
Speaker 2: They're really gritting their teeth. It's such a strange phenomenon.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know really how to deal with it.
Speaker 2: Every day I wake up and I sometimes wonder if
Speaker 2: I'm in dream right.
Speaker 1: It feels like that sometimes, doesn't it, Because so much
Speaker 1: has changed in such a short period of time, it
Speaker 1: really has. It's been like a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so stupid. It's just gonna
Speaker 1: blow over. You know, there's gonna be three hundred soccer
Speaker 1: moms lined up at Walgreens to get their free coronavirus shot,
Speaker 1: and then everybody's going to be like back to normal
Speaker 1: and the next thing, you know, I don't know the
Speaker 1: whole thing I've got. I've got isico propyl alcohol in
Speaker 1: my hand in my theme. I'm wiping my hands down.
Speaker 1: My hands are cracking, you know, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's going to get back to normal. I
Speaker 1: mean maybe maybe years down the road. But you know,
Speaker 1: how long does it take to form a habit? I
Speaker 1: mean today, I think they say two weeks is how
Speaker 1: long it takes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to what eight six eight weeks
Speaker 2: of this kind of thing, and it's starting to feel
Speaker 2: a little bit more normal When I wake up I've
Speaker 2: dealt with it for six weeks, and so it's art
Speaker 2: to not feel as shocking as it did in week
Speaker 2: one and week two. And so like today, we had
Speaker 2: a guy come and work on our house and put
Speaker 2: some tile on a backsplash that we were supposed to
Speaker 2: have done way before this ever hit and everything got
Speaker 2: slowed down. But today the title guide came and he
Speaker 2: came to the door and a nice looking guy alway's friendly,
Speaker 2: wasn't wearing a mask or anything, and I kind of
Speaker 2: forgot for a moment, and I reached out and go, Hi,
Speaker 2: I'm Mike, and I shook his hand and he shook
Speaker 2: my hand, and then like while we were holding hands,
Speaker 2: which was kind of awkward for a half a second,
Speaker 2: we both.
Speaker 1: Realized what we were doing, and we both like jerked
Speaker 1: back hands, like oh crap man.
Speaker 2: And then we like bunked elbos.
Speaker 1: That's funny. I did that the other day. I gave
Speaker 1: away a mattress. You're actually over here helped me with
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I remember that. And the guy showed up
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, I'm Austin. Stuck my hand out
Speaker 1: and he reached over and then I like pulled my
Speaker 1: hand away oh, and then I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm supposed to do. This is what they say, But.
Speaker 2: I mean I witnessed that. Yeah, that was austular. That
Speaker 2: was very awkward.
Speaker 1: I think that guy was high. I think so stressful
Speaker 1: times lead to drastic making.
Speaker 2: Whatever you got to do to keep yourself saying right.
Speaker 2: All that to say, it could take a while before
Speaker 2: things come back to what we now consider as normal.
Speaker 2: The new word is new normal, and I hate that crap.
Speaker 2: I hate these words and the psychoanalyzation that goes along
Speaker 2: with them. But I mean maybe that's really what we're experiences.
Speaker 2: We're going to shift. It's going to take a while
Speaker 2: before people feel comfortable reaching out and taking your hand.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to just like go around hugging people,
Speaker 1: just kidding.
Speaker 2: For all the you know, the the what do they
Speaker 2: call him? Not the millennials?
Speaker 1: What was before the millennials?
Speaker 2: What's my generation called?
Speaker 1: Old? No?
Speaker 2: Not Gen X or before that? Maybe boomer baby boomer,
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm right in between something neither. But all
Speaker 2: the baby boomers, you know, they go up and hugging
Speaker 2: like my dad, who is the what do they call that?
Speaker 2: The Great Generation? He hugs people. He goes up and
Speaker 2: he's hanging on him and stuff.
Speaker 1: Not me, you know, not me, not me. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: never really hug the people you love, just these strangers.
Speaker 2: But you know, we're afraid that he'll go out when
Speaker 2: he goes out and go up and hug people or
Speaker 2: touch him and stuff, because he's so he's like Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: You know, he cops a field everywhere he can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we're afraid to let him out. You know,
Speaker 1: we got to keep him caged up because he's gonna
Speaker 1: go out and get beat up because he's touching people,
Speaker 1: or he's gonna he's gonna get the corona. Fortunately for me,
Speaker 1: I don't typically enjoy people's presence. You know, if I'm
Speaker 1: at a restaurant and somebody walks through the door, I
Speaker 1: have this bit of like, get out of here, this
Speaker 1: is my restaurant now. Yeah. People, So this whole this
Speaker 1: whole thing hasn't really changed a lot for me. I
Speaker 1: still had to go to work. I did get a
Speaker 1: little bit sick and I had to go get tested
Speaker 1: and stuff or evaluated. But I had to stay home
Speaker 1: for a while. I was a little bit weird, but
Speaker 1: for the most part. I don't really like being around people,
Speaker 1: so it hasn't changed a whole lot for me.
Speaker 2: Well here's something like that. So here, you are sick,
Speaker 2: and I've kind of been sick, and I've had family
Speaker 2: members that are sick, and it's like, no, it's not
Speaker 2: the Corona. Some of them got tested. Oh no, no,
Speaker 2: not the Corona virus are And then then you find
Speaker 2: out that like up to forty percent of all tests
Speaker 2: are like false negatives, like it like in New York
Speaker 2: right now, they I read an article up to one
Speaker 2: out of every seven people either have it or have
Speaker 2: had it. So I mean that's over that's over twelve
Speaker 2: percent of the population of New York that's already got
Speaker 2: it or had it. And then you think about all
Speaker 2: the people here, Like so my sister, she's a nurse,
Speaker 2: she got tested, came back negative. But then I have
Speaker 2: a niece that got tested, came back negative, got sick
Speaker 2: a little bit, had pneumonia, went back tested again, came
Speaker 2: back negative, gave her antibiotics, got her through it, and
Speaker 2: then they went back and said, you know what, you
Speaker 2: had Corona. It tested negative twice. But there's like this
Speaker 2: percentage that came back positive. But so we couldn't really tell.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you the antibodies are there, so yeah, you
Speaker 2: had corona. Meantime, she's galivant around giving it to everybody
Speaker 2: she comes in contact with in the house she stayed at.
Speaker 2: So they've had corona.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't. It wasn't it wasn't a severe symptoms,
Speaker 2: so nobody knew.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that is weird. It's weird because when I
Speaker 1: got sick, they called my father in law told him
Speaker 1: to come down because he was sick as well. They
Speaker 1: told him that they were going to test him. So
Speaker 1: he got there and they're like, you know, have Corona
Speaker 1: be out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do it.
Speaker 1: He's like, well you called me, so he had to
Speaker 1: go home, and then I went in because you know,
Speaker 1: if he's getting tested and I'm sick and we have
Speaker 1: similar symptoms, then maybe I should go get tested too
Speaker 1: and just make sure that I'm not gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: go see some old lady and killer by accident. So
Speaker 1: I go to get tested. They don't even test me.
Speaker 1: They just say, yeah, if your fever goes away for
Speaker 1: a couple of days, go back to work. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is silly. Yeah, well I don't even I don't
Speaker 1: even know, which actually probably kind of bothered me more
Speaker 1: because it made me feel like even the people who
Speaker 1: are supposed to know what to do and supposed to
Speaker 1: do things don't know what to do. So that's the
Speaker 1: kind of information or crap that makes me want to information. Well, Anonymous, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean it's information, but it's kind of almost bad information
Speaker 2: disinformation because it doesn't help you. It gives you nothing actionable,
Speaker 2: and that's the kind of stuff that makes you go
Speaker 2: home and have bad sleep habits, which is probably gonna
Speaker 2: end up with you having some kind of terrible nightmare
Speaker 2: about some invisible enemy that's chasing you and your family
Speaker 2: into a dark room and trying to stab you to
Speaker 2: death knives.
Speaker 1: It was weird when when I went back to work
Speaker 1: after I stayed home for eight days, they said three.
Speaker 1: I ended up staying home for eight almost after my
Speaker 1: fever went away, So I think I did my due
Speaker 1: diligence in terms of what I was told. I did
Speaker 1: that plus more than double. When I got back to work,
Speaker 1: people were a little weird about around me, and one
Speaker 1: guy came and kind of chewed me out, like, I
Speaker 1: hope you get coronavirus. But there's a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got cancer, and then there's this lady, she's got
Speaker 1: lung problems. And then there's this guy. He just had
Speaker 1: a heart transplant, and I mean, that's not an easy
Speaker 1: thing for your body to recover.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, that's the scary part of this virus for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I kind of felt like I was there
Speaker 1: at me when I was at work because I got
Speaker 1: chewed out, I got sent home. And then I feel like,
Speaker 1: what if, for some weird reason, even though I was
Speaker 1: okay to go back to work according to.
Speaker 2: Medical professionals, you passed on that, And God, what if
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 1: This guy sick? You know, nobody's been sick yet so well.
Speaker 2: And that's like your mom, you know, her concern it
Speaker 2: and being a role follower really has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with her own self preservation. She thinks about her grandkids
Speaker 2: or kids or her friends that are have illnesses or
Speaker 2: some kind of underlying condition that's going to get them trouble.
Speaker 1: Or like my dad, who who was older, I mean
Speaker 1: asthmatic a little bit. I have mild asthma. Tiffany, our niece,
Speaker 1: who has worse asthma. You know, she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: get them sick, so she she sleeps terribly. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: according to the literature I've been reading that she doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot more weird, strange lucid dreams because she
Speaker 1: sleeps like crap. Your mom wakes up every morning, oh,
Speaker 1: I know, four am and plays on her phone for
Speaker 1: an hour, then goes back to sleep for an hour.
Speaker 1: Half of it's her snoring. I think, Yeah, she does
Speaker 1: snore like you. Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Lot. You guys are like a snore symphony when you
Speaker 2: get together and fall asleep on the couch.
Speaker 1: Austin snored, bass.
Speaker 2: Snored ye and then our dog snort soprano.
Speaker 1: Yeh. Panny and Chailey joined in right with them.
Speaker 2: Yep. Geez.
Speaker 1: Well, gosh, you know, I just think this whole pandemic
Speaker 1: dream thing is it was very inter resting, and I
Speaker 1: also think it was a little bit providential because we
Speaker 1: were in this topic of dreams before COVID nineteen was
Speaker 1: a condition, and before coronavirus caused the condition. Similar to
Speaker 1: how we we we were like, let's do cattle mutilation,
Speaker 1: and then it seemed like even now I hear everyone's
Speaker 1: in a long story. And maybe it's because I'm more aware,
Speaker 1: but I feel like as soon as we started talking
Speaker 1: about it, it's still going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's weird, so it disappears until we decided
Speaker 2: to bring it up. So you know, we got to
Speaker 2: be careful to topics we choose because as soon as
Speaker 2: we choose me, it's like big things happen.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about for our next episode, Father and Son
Speaker 1: Podcast duos when lotteries.
Speaker 2: I was going to say the exact same thing, or
Speaker 2: when sponsorship for dual Sport Motorcycles across the.
Speaker 1: World and Father and Son Podcast Duo sponsored by BMW
Speaker 1: and KTM and Honda and multimainion dollar lottery winner at
Speaker 1: the same time, whilst also being the first person to
Speaker 1: get jacked in Columbia And what oh, that wouldn't be first.
Speaker 1: I think we have sake got hijacked and held for ransom.
Speaker 1: I mean like jacked overnight. Oh you mean like muscular Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a Spider Man situation where I can wake up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, why did I rip the door knob
Speaker 1: off the door and I'm just freaking ripped all of
Speaker 1: a sudden.
Speaker 2: You know, it's really sad, So like My age right
Speaker 2: now is that when they say that, like guys start
Speaker 2: losing muscle mass and stuff like that, and it's like
Speaker 2: kind of totally makes me not want to even work out.
Speaker 2: It's like, just let it go.
Speaker 1: There's in the last forty years of your life.
Speaker 2: Maybe I know it's like genetically, I mean, I'm a
Speaker 2: fine specimen man. Why what if it's all downhill from here?
Speaker 2: WI fight it?
Speaker 1: Just enjoy the ride.
Speaker 2: Role I do notice, like, so your mom and I
Speaker 2: are going to go out and try to camp a
Speaker 2: little bit this weekend self isolate away from our house
Speaker 2: and just to get out because we've been in here
Speaker 2: forever and driving us crazy. And so I was loading
Speaker 2: up the trailer and you know, I have a little
Speaker 2: generator and I have some other things and I was
Speaker 2: lifting them up. It's like they were heavier than I
Speaker 2: remember them.
Speaker 1: Pain. It's like that's funny, and all my muscles are
Speaker 1: like like aching.
Speaker 2: It's like, what in the heck is going on?
Speaker 1: I've noticed I have like dad's strength now that oh, becauseeah,
Speaker 1: like I can get things will happen. I'll you know,
Speaker 1: at work, I'll pick something up and it's no longer
Speaker 1: like I wonder if I can lift that, it's like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick that up, put it on the table,
Speaker 1: and it's just like wow. And then afterwards I'm like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: my shoulder, my back, Yeah, I've got I've got pain.
Speaker 2: In this stupid finger right here. And it's not my
Speaker 2: flip off bird.
Speaker 1: Finger or is it. No, it's one over from that
Speaker 1: on my left hand, your finger. But when I noticed
Speaker 1: I reach over to No, it is.
Speaker 2: My bird finger on my left hand. Maybe that's something.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I reach over and try to pick something
Speaker 2: up with it and grab with that finger. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: it hurts. And then I hurt my heel. I got
Speaker 2: plantar faciitis from like standing too long at a convention.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I worked it for like four days and stood for
Speaker 2: four days straight. And now my heel stillores, and my
Speaker 2: elbow on my right side for some reason, I slept
Speaker 2: on it wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm like everything I'm doing is like heart's all, It's
Speaker 1: like what the heck.
Speaker 2: And I'm afraid to take ibuprofen because they say that
Speaker 2: can trigger if you have COVID, it can make it worse.
Speaker 2: So I'm not taking ibuprofen for I'm just wondering all
Speaker 2: of these things that I'm experiencing right now, fingers, aches
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. So I haven't been having pandemic dreams,
Speaker 2: but because of the impact on my sleep, I am
Speaker 2: wondering if, very soon, if I'm going to experience pandemic
Speaker 2: dreaming because of all the crazy stupid aches I have
Speaker 2: because of age, or possibly they say you get aggs
Speaker 2: when you get this coronavirus. Maybe I've had the coronavirus
Speaker 2: for the last couple of weeks because my I've been
Speaker 2: aching everywhere.
Speaker 1: I think you could also get aches and more pains
Speaker 1: from lack of sleep because your body's not compensating with
Speaker 1: the injury.
Speaker 6: Well so yeah, Or you could have diabetes, or you
Speaker 6: can have AIDS. I mean, you just pick your topic.
Speaker 6: You can have all kinds of symptoms. Drive you crazy,
Speaker 6: it doesn't let you sleep. I'm gonna have crazy dreams.
Speaker 1: I've had this headache right here. It feels like somebody's
Speaker 1: gotten like a sword goes in right here, comes out
Speaker 1: right here.
Speaker 2: So does it make you have weird dreams?
Speaker 1: I think I can. I definitely have had weirder dreams,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to keep like a dream journal, but
Speaker 1: I haven't been, but I have definitely had way more dreams,
Speaker 1: and they've all been more up gloomy or apocalyptic maybe.
Speaker 1: So on top of all these other things, I keep
Speaker 1: hearing stories about people getting robbed, stuff stolen out of
Speaker 1: their house, their doorstep, you know, like weird, terrible things.
Speaker 1: People are just being bad to each other now and
Speaker 1: I kind of been fearing people more too. I actually
Speaker 1: bought a gun yesterday.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you almost don't know what they you know,
Speaker 2: you can't. It's like, what are they going to do?
Speaker 2: Because they're desperate, because you feel desperate and you know
Speaker 2: they are too, but you feel like you have like
Speaker 2: a solid background, a bedrock that you stand on, but
Speaker 2: you don't know what kind of bedrock they standing on.
Speaker 2: They could be like weird people already go off the
Speaker 2: handle and like steal you for a can of beans.
Speaker 1: They're gonna steal me and then trade me for a
Speaker 1: canna beans.
Speaker 2: I meant to say, kill you for a canna beans? Okay,
Speaker 2: yeah I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I'll trade you this two hundred and forty five pounds
Speaker 1: seventy twenty seven year old for that Cannabians or they're
Speaker 1: gonna steal you put you in a bunker so that
Speaker 1: you can procreate and replenish the earth after we come
Speaker 1: out of the doomsday cellar. Not a bad gig. If
Speaker 1: you haven't seen the chicks, they got their corona masks on,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Yeah, that's hilarious. Anyway. What are you
Speaker 1: drinking tonight.
Speaker 2: Father, Irish staff? How about you?
Speaker 1: The old standby?
Speaker 2: I'm drinking little thing, I pay.
Speaker 1: Hazy little thing. Kind of a word play deal going on.
Speaker 2: I bought a couple bottles of Dragon's milk to take
Speaker 2: with me camping.
Speaker 1: Typical. Oh hey, one thing, one thing I wanted to
Speaker 1: say for me, too far down this channel. So there
Speaker 1: was some research done by a Finnish group in Finland.
Speaker 1: That's what finished people are. Okay, they're not just done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not like finished carpenters. They are Finnish people
Speaker 2: in Finlanders and they did a big study and what
Speaker 2: they discovered is kind of the thing that we talked about,
Speaker 2: which is that peace of mind lends to a positive
Speaker 2: dream effect. Oh yeah, whereas in contrast anxiety, crazy thing
Speaker 2: stressors and anxiety they relate to a negative dream effect.
Speaker 2: And the data shows that dreams that are frightening or
Speaker 2: otherwise upsetting are usually experienced by those that are having
Speaker 2: a negative dream effect caused by anxiety.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what we just said that this is
Speaker 2: a study, So that means we're really smart.
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of funny. I'm reading a well,
Speaker 1: listening to a book series that you recommended to me,
Speaker 1: the Harry Bosh Yeah, hroneus.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And who's the author, Michael Connolly Connolly yep. And he
Speaker 1: has he's going through a really hard time in this
Speaker 1: in this particular book, it's The Last Coyote or something
Speaker 1: like that. And in this this book, he's he's kind
Speaker 1: of dealing. He has to see a counsel or he's
Speaker 1: he's a detective and he's on leave because he got
Speaker 1: in a fight. You know, that's kind of weird stuff.
Speaker 1: And he's going through a hard time. He's afraid he's
Speaker 1: going to lose his job. His house just got hit
Speaker 1: by an earthquake and he's rebuilding it, but he's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be leaving living there because it's condemned. So
Speaker 1: he's got all these stressors in his life. And on
Speaker 1: his way home one night, he's he sees a coyote
Speaker 1: pacing its way across the street in a foggy night,
Speaker 1: and it kind of makes a weird, ominous, you know,
Speaker 1: creepy scene for him. And he goes home and has
Speaker 1: a dream that night about that coyote and it's funny
Speaker 1: and I don't know, kind of metaphoric for him in
Speaker 1: his life. Yeah, And he's talking about how this guy's
Speaker 1: going through a hard time and he has a dream
Speaker 1: that's like kind of intertwining itself with his things that
Speaker 1: he's the experience, and he kind of I think he
Speaker 1: kind of considers himself that last coyote, the last the
Speaker 1: last old school detective guy.
Speaker 2: There is a professor of psychology at I think at
Speaker 2: Harvard University name is Barrett Something but anyway something Barrick, Yes,
Speaker 2: something Barrett. They started doing surveys of people and their dreams,
Speaker 2: specifically pandemic dreams Corona pandemic dreams, and what they discovered
Speaker 2: is there's like this divide, there's one set and these
Speaker 2: are people that are health professionals that work in hospitals,
Speaker 2: and their dreams are very specific, kind of like your coyote.
Speaker 2: These dreams are about what they see, which are people
Speaker 2: dying on respirators, people struggling for breath, people not making it,
Speaker 2: and their struggle to bring them back to life or
Speaker 2: to save them. That's one category. Then you have the
Speaker 2: general population who is not seeing that medical stuff, but
Speaker 2: they're hearing all the terrifying things on the news, and
Speaker 2: those are manifesting and different kinds of things like bugs
Speaker 2: and zombies and natural disasters and shadowy figures. And it
Speaker 2: makes you wonder about the existence of shadow Man, which
Speaker 2: we talked about in our spooky Things and strange locations.
Speaker 2: I have a thought maybe those are dreams inspired because
Speaker 2: of their fears of anxiety and their life. But so anyway,
Speaker 2: I'll let you go, but I want to just finish
Speaker 2: this off. Other things are natural disasters, monsters, or mass shootings.
Speaker 2: So people because of this coronavirus pandemic are having an
Speaker 2: uptick of dreams that feature these kind of crazy, out
Speaker 2: of control things where they place a metaphor a visual
Speaker 2: metaphor of what maybe this virus is, whether it's a
Speaker 2: mass shooter, bud bugs, shadowy people, whatever it is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those become the metaphor of what the pandemic is for
Speaker 2: them in their life. It's pretty creepy.
Speaker 1: It is just creepy. You know a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the bugs that stuff, but mass shootings things
Speaker 1: like that. I don't think I've ever heard, well, maybe
Speaker 1: I have, but people are now like just news obsessed,
Speaker 1: and it's like people are blaming Donald Trump for coronavirus,
Speaker 1: blaming the Liberals, blaming the Democrats, blaming Republicans, blaming the President,
Speaker 1: blaming Nancy Pelosi. It's like, what so that intertwines mass shootings, politics,
Speaker 1: just everything's kind of like conspiracy related. And half the
Speaker 1: people out there, maybe not half a lot of people
Speaker 1: out there, are like, well, this isn't a real deal.
Speaker 1: The government's trying to manipulate me. The government's trying to
Speaker 1: push me into a corner and take away my rights,
Speaker 1: which adds a whole nother element of suppression. So even
Speaker 1: if they're not having dreams about the suppression caused by
Speaker 1: this creepy crawley robot that reproduces in your body and
Speaker 1: causes you to get pneumonia, maybe they're thinking about the
Speaker 1: government that's trying to push them down and trying to
Speaker 1: trying to keep them in one little corner and not
Speaker 1: let them be a free American.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it's weird. It's convoluted, isn't it. It's
Speaker 2: like you know that you have the virus bug in
Speaker 2: your body. You have the conspiracy bugs of what you think,
Speaker 2: maybe government or whatever. Or Bill Gates, he's a popular
Speaker 2: one right now, and he's already he's got the copyright
Speaker 2: or the patent.
Speaker 1: For the virus, and he's already got the you know,
Speaker 1: he's using it to slip in track our information and
Speaker 1: little chips that are going to bed your hand so
Speaker 1: that he can value from Microsoft to give you a virus. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and it should be Apple, right because they're the
Speaker 2: forbidden fruit. Just look at their logo. And why Bill Gates?
Speaker 2: You know it was Steve Jobs. Everybody knows that.
Speaker 1: But he's dead. Well, as far as you know, you're
Speaker 1: trying to blame a dead guy.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not.
Speaker 1: Maybe he reproduced or women ornated as a Him and
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley are living in an underground home.
Speaker 2: In Las Vegas, Nevada. Wow, I'm pretty sure that's happening.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a weird time to be live, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of crazy things going on, and we're seeing this
Speaker 1: uptick in dreams, but those same stressors.
Speaker 2: That we're experiencing now and the volume of lucid dreaming.
Speaker 2: I wonder sometimes, you know, in dreams in general before
Speaker 2: this time, are they the same things that cause lucid
Speaker 2: dreams in the eight categories we talked about in Part
Speaker 2: two of Strange Dreams, Are they any different? There might
Speaker 2: be more of them now, but are they the same causes?
Speaker 2: Can you categorize them in the same ways? I kind
Speaker 2: of think you can.
Speaker 1: You probably can.
Speaker 2: Maybe the person that's going to find the cure to
Speaker 2: the pandemic, maybe he'll discover that in the dream, like
Speaker 2: Albert Einstein did for the theory of relativity, which is
Speaker 2: another thing we'll talk about in our next podcast, but
Speaker 2: hopefully we can do that one together. There is something
Speaker 2: about being able to see you across the room and
Speaker 2: talk with you when you're in the room that's different
Speaker 2: than what we're doing right now.
Speaker 1: I feel like it keeps us on track. We don't
Speaker 1: rabbit traills much well.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because we're there for a specific purpose here,
Speaker 2: we're in our rooms that we're in during the day,
Speaker 2: and now it's suddenly an offsite studio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've got all these distractions, Like my phone.
Speaker 1: I keep it right here just in case my you know,
Speaker 1: showing it something upstairs. I can hear if the kids
Speaker 1: get up. I can hear the dogs when they bark,
Speaker 1: you know, noises behind me in the window. That freaks
Speaker 1: me out.
Speaker 2: So, you know, and not in confidence because we're doing
Speaker 2: this publicly, But isn't it weird to kind of watch
Speaker 2: I keep looking at myself while I'm talking.
Speaker 1: Yea, because I'm sure my eyes are just bouncing back
Speaker 1: and forth because I'm not used to seeing myself and
Speaker 1: I talk, and it makes me feel a little bit
Speaker 1: self conscious. Oh yeah, big time.
Speaker 2: It was like I gotta pimple my forehead or you
Speaker 2: know how I can't see my teeth.
Speaker 1: Or my beers.
Speaker 2: You're scruffy, you know, whatever it is, it's bad.
Speaker 1: You're thinking a lot about yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a distraction.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a bad dream now.
Speaker 2: I do think I'm thankful for this technology that we
Speaker 2: can do this, because otherwise, who knows how long it'll
Speaker 2: be before we can do an episode. And I have
Speaker 2: to apologize to our listeners that it's taken us this long.
Speaker 1: But it's been a weird time. I feel like they're understanding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they better be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing you know we should talk about on you
Speaker 1: a little bit, because you know, we talked about it
Speaker 1: in one of our or maybe both of our last
Speaker 1: attempts of doing this, and we're gonna use this this
Speaker 1: one no.
Speaker 2: Matter what, because three strikes were out right, But what
Speaker 2: did we do recently? We ended up picking up up another.
Speaker 1: What before you get there? Okay, what I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: cause you're talking about these dreams? Yeah and and uh
Speaker 1: and then you like went into shadow people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It made me think about something because there's this like
Speaker 1: kind of myth of sand Man.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so.
Speaker 1: Weird you say that because I've got I went online,
Speaker 1: I entered The Sandman by Metallica. Nice.
Speaker 2: I got that sound clip because I wanted.
Speaker 5: To use that in this way right now.
Speaker 1: Our last name is Oric, and the drummer for Metaca's
Speaker 1: stands but he only has one one. No, that's Death Leppard.
Speaker 1: Come on, well his name's Ulric too. No, No it's not,
Speaker 1: isn't it. No, I don't know the drummer for Maybe
Speaker 1: it is, but I feel like I would know that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like lyrics are cool drummers, whether they have
Speaker 1: one like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, his tongues out always out. You gotta be
Speaker 2: carefully gonna bite it off. But anyway, sorry I interrupted you.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I was wondering if maybe that myth of sandband,
Speaker 1: this guy that appears to you and leaves sand in
Speaker 1: your eyes and causes you to dream. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if that's the exact that was.
Speaker 2: I remember my grandma telling me that story. You go
Speaker 2: to sleep, you know, you get sleepers in your eyes.
Speaker 2: That's because the Sandman comes and puts them in here.
Speaker 1: It's like dropping dream dreams in your eye, which is
Speaker 1: terrifying if you think about you tell that to little kids,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with people? But maybe that comes from like
Speaker 1: hat Man, Like maybe people are waking up seeing these
Speaker 1: shadow people and they're like making this leap into this.
Speaker 1: This guy was in my room and he was filling
Speaker 1: my head with these dreams.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I couldn't move and okay, wait, so you're saying that
Speaker 1: Sandman and hat Man are the same man. Maybe mister dreams,
Speaker 1: maybe mister Dreammaster wears different hats and one of them
Speaker 1: is made of sand and one's a foedora.
Speaker 2: Yep, strangely like Clint Eastwood in The Good, the Bad,
Speaker 2: and the Ugly, like a.
Speaker 7: What are they called mestizo nostisio no uh uh l
Speaker 7: two Picabra repisado and Ole.
Speaker 2: Dricaz, Gonzalifi, Jose Cuervo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gaucho gaucho.
Speaker 2: Strangely like a gaucho.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, before we close out, we should talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about our plans for future episodes. We're going
Speaker 2: to do at least one more episode on dreams, where
Speaker 2: we're going to march through all eight dream categories that
Speaker 2: we talked about in part two, and we're gonna like
Speaker 2: try to tie those in with like famous dreams that
Speaker 2: people have had, because there are quite a few. It's
Speaker 2: very very interesting.
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna go on to some other stuff
Speaker 1: and I don't know what all that stuff is, but
Speaker 1: we do have a big one coming here in a
Speaker 1: couple months. We'll be at squatch Con in Boise, Idaho, Yes,
Speaker 1: on June thirteenth, So if we have any listeners in
Speaker 1: Boise or somewhere close by that you want to come
Speaker 1: and check out Squatch on in Boise.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun thing.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a series on all kinds of things
Speaker 1: big and hairy. Yeah you know what I'm and yeah,
Speaker 1: so so that's cool.
Speaker 2: That's coming up. And we also to go along with that,
Speaker 2: we bought tell me a motorcycle.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, we need dual sport motorcycles to go out
Speaker 1: in the wilders and investigate strange things.
Speaker 2: So we got a second one. We had one, now
Speaker 2: we got two, and we're gonna make it a point
Speaker 2: at least once or twice or three or five or
Speaker 2: twenty times this summer to go out and ride these
Speaker 2: motorcycles and investigate strange things all over the state of Idaho.
Speaker 1: Maybe in the Nevada, Nevada, Montana. Yo.
Speaker 2: Mean it's all Uah, Washington, Washington. A lot of strange
Speaker 2: things in Utah, but we don't want to go there yet.
Speaker 1: Oh and if you're in Utah, we love Utah, but
Speaker 1: love Utah.
Speaker 2: We live there. We live there for a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why we can say little. You know, it's like,
Speaker 1: why is it windy in southern Idaho? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because Utah sucks and Montana blows blush.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had to do a regional joke there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, that's good.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Awstome, why don't you take us towards
Speaker 2: the finish line and wrap up. We'll let everybody go.
Speaker 2: And we are very appreciative.
Speaker 1: That people kind of hang with us during this new
Speaker 1: technology time. We're doing this remotely and practicing safe self distancing.
Speaker 1: And it's good to see your face, even though it's
Speaker 1: small and on a screen and fuzzy. Hearless. Well, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm my beard is killing back. Nice.
Speaker 2: I like your beard better. Yeah, you don't look like
Speaker 2: you're twelve, even though right now you're kind of like
Speaker 2: maybe fourteen.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you're getting there.
Speaker 2: But anyway, but anyway, and if you're playing a drinking game,
Speaker 2: we just gave you four drinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't drive home.
Speaker 2: No, thank you again for listening in. Share your stories,
Speaker 2: your dreams, especially right now.
Speaker 1: If you're having dreams, you can write them down and
Speaker 1: send them to my story at a strange thing dot com.
Speaker 1: Or if you're a creative type, read into your microphone
Speaker 1: and record it.
Speaker 2: You can send us a short recording.
Speaker 1: If you've got a cool voice, like a like an accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do it, do it? Like those guys. Your favorite accent.
Speaker 8: Not what you talk all the time, and you're saying
Speaker 8: stuff like I was need eating whileshes and angry ies.
Speaker 8: Woke up in the morning, try to sit myself down
Speaker 8: and talk. It couldn't sit down for us. I have
Speaker 8: had to go downstairs cood find enough. Just a little
Speaker 8: bit of a dream about nothing, and my neighbor's coming
Speaker 8: over to my house.
Speaker 1: And next thing you know, I'm sitting on Or you.
Speaker 2: Could talk like, yeah, dude, come on over.
Speaker 1: You know you gotta act like overly prissy, like yes.
Speaker 1: So I fell asleep one night really woke up like gip,
Speaker 1: I had one of my shardonnaye dreams.
Speaker 2: Or we could do a southern accent like y'all come
Speaker 2: on over, rock.
Speaker 1: Why are you having everybody over your house for having dream?
Speaker 2: I know, y'all y'all. Or you could be like from
Speaker 2: the Bronx or New York.
Speaker 1: You talk kind of good will, can be like an
Speaker 1: Idaho fella.
Speaker 2: You come over here, I'll cut off your head. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that is. I I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: not a very good ventriloquist.
Speaker 1: All right, ventrillick wist, what do you call impressionist.
Speaker 2: I suck at those things.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can talk about Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go over the vets. I will go up in
Speaker 2: the middle lot and they say, you know, I have
Speaker 2: to sleep there. We go.
Speaker 1: Not even make a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Or what's the girl from Ridiculousness.
Speaker 1: Chanelle West Coast? I don't even know how she laughs.
Speaker 1: It's annoying. Anyway, we're digressing again, like us on whatever
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Speaker 2: To tell your friends about us?
Speaker 1: Yep, tell your friends. Go to Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Google,
Speaker 1: tweet face. All of those guys keep checking out our
Speaker 1: online store to buy stuff that maybe isn't even able
Speaker 1: to buy yet. But anyway you can check it out.
Speaker 1: We'll figure that out. So join us next time for
Speaker 1: some hopefully some good dream stories. Yeah, some cold drinks
Speaker 1: and some strange conversations.
Speaker 2: Absolutely have good dreams. Man, sleep well, daters, daters U