WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.799 NFL Draft coverage on the radio program begins right at 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.000 six o'clock when we say good night here on the show, 3 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:09.919 so stay tuned for that. Not a lot of intrigue 4 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:13.839 at the top, even Vegas has overwhelming odds in the 5 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:16.960 direction of cam Ward being the selection from Tennessee. 6 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:18.960 And then we'll see what happens after that. 7 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:21.519 But our next guest knows what this day is like 8 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.760 for these young men waiting to hear their name called. 9 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:25.800 One of the best players that we've ever had in 10 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:29.039 state from the University of Utah entering a sixth season 11 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.640 in the NFL with Cincinnati. Friend of the show Zach Moss, 12 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:35.240 on a draft day Thursday, Zach, Happy Thursday, man. 13 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:37.000 How you doing good? 14 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:38.359 Good man, how are you well? 15 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:39.320 I appreciate your time. 16 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:41.479 I want you to take us back to your draft 17 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:44.119 day and tell us what that was like. What did 18 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:46.479 you do, who were you with, and how did you 19 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:49.039 handle the emotions of a day that change your life. 20 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:49.320 Zach. 21 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:53.359 Yeah, it was a great day, man. Honestly, you know, 22 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:58.520 my year was different doing COVID, so didn't get it 23 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.000 opportunity to do a bigger thing and stuff like that, 24 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:04.879 but still was surrounded by loved ones and things of 25 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:08.719 that nature. But you know, in the day, no matter what, 26 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:11.359 you know, just hearing your name called flash across TV 27 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.519 and things of that nature something you definitely never forget 28 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:14.920 for sure. 29 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:18.480 When did you know that it was going to be Buffalo? 30 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:20.439 When were you told that the bills were taking you 31 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:21.519 in the third round. 32 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:28.519 Of Literally probably two three minutes before you know, came 33 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:30.519 up on a TV and things like that. They called 34 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:32.359 me and let me know that they were going to 35 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.439 select me there in the third round with their pick 36 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:38.079 and stuff like that. It was crazy because I didn't 37 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.319 know where I was going to go. I didn't even 38 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:44.239 really have Buffalo on my radar. Like I said, it 39 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.079 was COVID, so you know, all the top thirty visits 40 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:48.840 and all these different things that you have to go 41 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.840 do as draftees. I didn't get atence to do any 42 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:53.879 of that. So it was literally just up in the 43 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.680 air and seeing who was going to select me. Whenever 44 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.799 they did, Wow. 45 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:01.719 Just a couple of minutes before. So now I've got 46 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.840 to know what the emotions were like when you heard 47 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:07.400 your name, Like we you know, all of us at 48 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.120 some point if you're in the business or if you're 49 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:12.280 listening to sports talk radio. There's a chance that most 50 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:15.159 everybody dreamed of doing what you still do to this 51 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.319 day and having a moment like hearing your name called 52 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:20.479 during the NFL Draft. 53 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:22.800 What was that moment like for you, zach. 54 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:24.479 Uh? 55 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.840 You know it was it was definitely surreal to some degree. 56 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.560 You know, I think I've always worked, you know, pretty 57 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:34.800 hard to put myself in it to give myself an 58 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:38.199 opportunity to be able to hear my name called, So 59 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:40.639 you know when I did hear it called, it was 60 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:43.360 it was definitely surreal, But you know, it felt like 61 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.599 a good moment of validation of all the work I've 62 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.120 done and you know, the things I had to overcome 63 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.840 and all those different type of things. So just hearing 64 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:56.000 my name was like a validation in that moment, Like 65 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.360 I didn't get really emotional and things like that because 66 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:02.080 I moved, still a lot of work to do. Six 67 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.120 years later, I'm still trying to do that work to 68 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.560 you know, do the things I really want to do 69 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:08.800 in life. 70 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:10.439 And you continue to do it. 71 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:12.520 And there was some news that broke a couple of 72 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.360 days ago that you and the Bengals agreed to terms 73 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.199 where you've restructured your deal a little bit, So tell 74 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:21.719 us what that process has been like. And also, most importantly, Zach, 75 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:23.639 I probably buried the lead. You're not supposed to do 76 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:25.719 that in this business. How are you doing. How is 77 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:26.240 your health? 78 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:31.479 I'm doing good, man, Just you know, taking the day 79 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:34.840 by day and you know, just doing the best I 80 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.000 can do to be ready for the end of the 81 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.000 year in the league and things like that. 82 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:43.759 But yeah, restructure the deal to come back to Cincinnati. 83 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:46.360 You know, got a lot of good people there and 84 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.120 we got a really good team. So decided to be 85 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:52.560 a part of that process again with those type of people. 86 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:53.840 What do you guys? 87 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.199 Let's talk about the Bengals for a moment, because last 88 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:59.319 year it was just strange. You know, you ended the 89 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:03.680 season on a wild run because there and you know this, 90 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:08.039 there is so much talent in your locker room and 91 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:11.080 so ultimately, when you start out the season, you're not 92 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:12.319 winning football games. 93 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:13.639 And you know, a lot. 94 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.120 Of this it is another defensive side of the ball 95 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:18.439 because you obviously have Burrow, you get those two wide 96 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.319 receivers back, and you've got a great running back room. 97 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:24.040 You know, obviously you among the three backs that will 98 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.800 be running and blocking for the Bengals coming up this year. 99 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.560 But how would you articulate how last year went and 100 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:32.360 what are you guys hoping to accomplish this year. 101 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.839 Yeah, last year it was tough, man. I think us 102 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:38.639 being so young on the deeper side of the ball, 103 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:41.120 it was just one of those years where it felt 104 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:44.439 like no matter what you kind of did right, something 105 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:48.000 always kind of went wrong. And playing in that division 106 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:49.959 AFC north Man, you've got to be ready to go 107 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.680 each and every week. It's a it's a real tough 108 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.560 physical division. I mean you factor in the weather in 109 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.600 those cities and stuff like that as well, and you know, 110 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:01.000 it was it was just a hard year. We got 111 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:02.800 a lot of good quarterbacks in that division as well. 112 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:05.360 But I think it's a good learning curve. I mean, 113 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.759 you saw a lot of guys have you know, great 114 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:13.000 individual years, which was nice and crazy to see. I 115 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.199 mean you got to see I got to see Borough 116 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:16.959 play at the high level, chase at the high level, 117 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.240 and things of that nature. So I think, you know, 118 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:25.199 everyone coming back, uh, you know, and getting another year 119 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:29.199 on our belt with those guys, you know, it's gonna 120 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:32.759 be a lot of interesting things. That's gonna be able 121 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.040 to happen for us this season. That just didn't go 122 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:36.839 out way last year. You know, sometimes you don't get 123 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.519 the ball to spin your way, and you know we 124 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:41.160 we dealt with that a lot last year. But I 125 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:45.079 think the way we competed throughout that year, you know, 126 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.079 there was never gains where we just laid it down, 127 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:51.959 always competitive as a team. So that's that's huge, right 128 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:54.240 when you're thinking about it, you look back at that 129 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:57.399 year and finish it out, finished it out strong. So 130 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:01.360 definitely looking forward to getting that UH cohesion this together 131 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:03.800 this season and you know, give him our best shot again. 132 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:05.759 I'm gonna ask you kind of a little bit of 133 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.319 a fanboy question, which I never do, but I you know, 134 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.480 you hear a lot of people talk about the best 135 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:12.560 wide receivers in the NFL, and there's a lot of 136 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.279 Justin Jefferson. There's a lot of Tyreek when he's healthy. 137 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:17.560 There's a lot of aj Brown. 138 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:19.079 I I I think it's. 139 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.759 I think it's jamar I think it's jamar Ja. I've 140 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.399 got to know what it's like. And look, you're a 141 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:26.879 top man athlete yourself, so I'm sure you never in 142 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.199 awe of any of your peers but he seems to 143 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.319 be a unicorns unicorn. He seems to be one of one. 144 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.959 What's it what's it like to watch him day to 145 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:37.120 day do what he does? 146 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:42.279 Yeah, he's different, man. Honestly, I think you know I was. 147 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:46.680 I was tell people like, he didn't even play during 148 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.560 the preseason, and he didn't do anything in training camp. 149 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.839 He didn't do anything in the offseason program. Right. 150 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:53.240 Uh. 151 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.639 Usually, you know when you see guys go out there 152 00:06:57.639 --> 00:06:59.399 and perform at the love what they do, they've done 153 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.519 a training camp which gets them in tune and with 154 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.600 the playbook, you know, his quarterback and all those different 155 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.079 type of things. I mean, the guy didn't even have 156 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.600 to do any of that to go out there and 157 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:13.079 have the type of season he did. When he thought 158 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:17.120 about the triple crown was it was crazy to see 159 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.759 I played with a lot of really good receivers and 160 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.480 you know, a guy like Diggs our first year in Buffalo, 161 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.279 him having a career year and stuff like that, and 162 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.680 to see what Jamar does, you know, and the way 163 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.199 he does it is so nonchalant, it's not like it's 164 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.560 not even really trying. And to see him shred up 165 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:39.160 so many defenses and like I said, playing in that division, 166 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.160 you kind of almost respect it even more just because 167 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.680 you're going against top defenses weekend and week out. And 168 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:48.560 we had a really good schedule this season when it 169 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.959 comes to the terms of who we played and the 170 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:52.519 guys that he had to line up in front of 171 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:55.720 and things like that. So I mean, like you said, 172 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:58.279 he's a unicorns in the corn when you think about 173 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:00.680 just the fact that Demand didn't even do training camp 174 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.519 and just went out there and just ball, which is 175 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:04.439 crazy to see. 176 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.600 Additionally, a lot of debates about who the best quarterback 177 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.399 is in pro football, and of course fifteen in Kansas 178 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.439 City probably continues to hold that moniker, But I don't 179 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.120 know where you put Joe, But there aren't a lot 180 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:22.000 of quarterbacks i'd want ahead of Joe Burrow. And look, Zach, 181 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:24.079 as you know, in this game at any level, but 182 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.120 especially in pro football, if you don't have one of 183 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.240 the laite dudes under center, you might as well not 184 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.439 even kick off. But having Joe Burrow under center, that's 185 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:34.519 got to give you the belief in that organization that 186 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:38.440 you have a shot to do anything possible as special 187 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:40.679 as any other team in this year this year with 188 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:42.919 him under center, is that Is that accurate to say? 189 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.639 Yeah? Absolutely. I mean you're talking about one of the 190 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:49.039 best receivers in the league. I mean quarterbacks in the 191 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:53.639 league could be stepped in and this season come up 192 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.559 of a risk injury and leading the league in yards 193 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:02.039 and touchdowns is crazy. You know, it's throwing risks at 194 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:03.720 that and to be able to come back from that 195 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.519 and look as seemless as he did. That was really 196 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.000 special to see that from him. But uh, you know, 197 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.759 I think you have a guy like that, Like you said, 198 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:14.399 if you don't have one of those top guys in 199 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.480 this league, which he is, it's gonna be really really 200 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.480 hard to win a lot of games. And fortunate I've 201 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.960 been able to play with, you know, two guys that 202 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:27.200 are really really good at what they do. So that's 203 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:29.399 that's been just a blessing, just being able to play 204 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:31.480 with guys who play the game at a high lovel 205 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:33.000 future Hall of famers. 206 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:35.600 So you were at the Forever twenty two game. 207 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.679 It was fun to see you hanging out with Devin 208 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.279 and Mackay and a bunch and Britain Covey in town 209 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.720 as well. How connected do you stay to the program, 210 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:45.320 Zach And what was it like to be up there 211 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:46.720 for the spring game last Saturday. 212 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.320 Yeah, I'm always around, man. I think I try to, 213 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.080 you know, be in tune with those guys as much 214 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:56.879 as I can be. And you know, finally being back 215 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.120 because I was only able to be back last year 216 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:01.480 one time for all home game, which I hadn't been 217 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:04.639 too long since I left, you know, so that was 218 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.759 really cool than being out there this past weekend. That 219 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.639 was also cool just to see, you know, the football 220 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:12.720 and being in the stadium the game and stuff like that, 221 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:15.960 and seeing the coaches do what they do best. But I, 222 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.879 I say, interlock with the school as much as I can. 223 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:21.480 And I live here now, so you know, I think 224 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.720 anytime I'm able just to be around the game for 225 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:27.919 one and then be around you know, people with familiar 226 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.480 faces that I know in the program that has helped 227 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:32.720 me tremendously. I think it's always a good thing for sure. 228 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:36.200 Last year was a year that nobody was expecting, certainly 229 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.720 nobody in the media and I know nobody in the 230 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.519 locker room. I know the standards up there are very, 231 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:43.519 very high and have been for quite some time. 232 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.440 What would you say to youth fans tuning in today? 233 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.840 Your belief that a bounce back year two in the 234 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:49.960 Big Twelve as possible. 235 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.399 Yeah, I mean they've They've done it right within the 236 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.000 sense of you know, I think the quarterbacks are going 237 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.840 to be really really good. You add a dual threat 238 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:02.120 quarterback like that, it's gonna make it real hard and 239 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:06.360 it helps to the running game tremendously, which is gonna 240 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:09.399 beautiful for the new running back also that they have, 241 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:14.200 so that's nice. And the solid defense that that we 242 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.840 play over there at Utah, you know, with coach Scalley 243 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.320 and Coach Wayde leading the way over that side. When 244 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.279 you add a dual threat quarterback, a really good running 245 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.720 back as well, that's come in as well, you're gonna 246 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:26.480 be able to control the ball and play the style 247 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.320 that they want to. And I think, you know, like 248 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.600 I said, I think the quarterbacks gonna be really just 249 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.919 I've seen what he was able to do. I think 250 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:39.120 it's at New Mexico State, so excited to see what 251 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:41.919 he can do with these guys and the coaching staff. 252 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:45.519 And I think obviously bringing on his officer coordinator from 253 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:49.039 his last school as well, keeps that familiarity there. It 254 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:53.080 should be a pretty seamless uh transition for him. Hopefully 255 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:56.759 you know, these guys can uh put it together and 256 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.399 you know, injured a part of the game. Just hopefully 257 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:01.600 that you know, they don't get hit with that buzz 258 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:02.399 again for sure. 259 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.120 So you've gone on to have a really good pro 260 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.440 football career, and of course we'll all cheer for you 261 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.840 to play as long as you possibly can. And so 262 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:12.840 somebody like you, when you look, when you look at 263 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.120 nil and transfer portal, it probably doesn't sting as much 264 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.720 because you've achieved success. I mean, I'm sure you would 265 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.679 have liked to make money when you're in college, as 266 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:21.799 all of us would have liked. 267 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.039 I'm not alluding to anything other than that. 268 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.000 But as somebody who was an athlete, very good athlete, 269 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.639 good football player prior to NIL and the transfer portal 270 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:35.039 and follows the sport and follows the program, how do 271 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.919 you think those two those two things have changed the 272 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:39.080 sport the most? 273 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.480 Okay, man, I think that's the biggest thing is like, 274 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.879 you know, he used to not saying that it's not there, 275 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.519 but it's definitely fading away a bit in the sense of, 276 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.120 you know, he used to want to care about you know, 277 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:57.360 the logo on the side of your helmet, you know, 278 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:00.000 and putting on for your school and things of that nature, 279 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.039 and wanting to be a all the you know, being 280 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.399 alumni at school and things like that when you graduate. 281 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:08.000 I think now, which you can't fault the kids to 282 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:10.559 some degree, uh, you know when you talk about the 283 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:12.960 money and setting yourself up for the future, you know, 284 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:15.879 because there's only so many guys that can go to 285 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:19.120 the NFL for one coming out of college. You know, 286 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.159 if I broke down the numbers on that, it's just 287 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.960 obviously a lot of people, know it's crazy on how 288 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.759 many people play college football, college sports period and aren't 289 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.080 able to make it to that pro level. Even if 290 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:32.480 you are able to make it to that pro level, 291 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:36.360 the chances of you, you know, having a full career 292 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:40.639 and things of that nature, it's already hard when you 293 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.879 think about that type of stuff. So you know, obviously 294 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:47.840 them taking advantage of NIL is a good thing. I 295 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:51.279 think hopefully, you know, we can they can just get 296 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.240 a cap on it and you know, really control it 297 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.200 the best that they can so that they get you 298 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.440 know that the schools don't lose as much and you know, 299 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.320 the people would the biggest pocketbooks don't just throw money 300 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:05.559 at these kids, and you know, they just jump school 301 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:08.039 to school and don't really build that brotherhood that they 302 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:12.279 are going to you know, really love and depend on 303 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:16.080 at some point. So I think that's the biggest thing. 304 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:18.480 Do you pay attention at all to any of the 305 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:21.799 back and forth between Utah and bu Yu fans complaining 306 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:23.799 about the other teams poaching their players? 307 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:25.000 Do you pay attention at. 308 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.639 At all that? I don't pay attention to it. It 309 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.399 does pop up on my social media here and there, 310 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:33.799 just like because I'm just so into them, you know, 311 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:36.600 with the school and different accounts and things like that. 312 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.600 But it's crazy, for sure, but it is, you know, 313 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:46.000 a big part of it, which you can't really, like 314 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:49.480 I said, be upset at these kids for wanting to 315 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:52.759 take advantage of that. But it does destroy the loyalty 316 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.759 part of it, where you can just jump schools and 317 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:59.480 go different places and do different things and it's not 318 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:00.799 much a thing about behind it. 319 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:04.759 Yeah, and like you said, you can't blame the players, 320 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.639 and look, Zach, the bottom line here, love it or hated, 321 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.480 college football has become very transactional, right, and so the 322 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.720 only way to handle these ebbs and flows is to 323 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.519 remove your emotion, but as you know, it's hard to 324 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.679 ask fans to remove their emotions, you know. 325 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:23.600 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's the human element to all 326 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:27.679 of it. So yeah, it's gonna be hard, absolutely, but 327 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:30.679 like I said, hopefully, you know it's they can figure 328 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.960 out a way to make it more, you know, even 329 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.799 around all the schools that way, you know, it doesn't 330 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:40.639 love you don't love the integrity of the college support game, 331 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:43.440 which I think is you know, has been so great 332 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:47.320 for so long for a reason, and it's definitely time 333 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.799 for the athletes to get paid. But there's always better 334 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:51.519 ways to do a lot of different things in life. 335 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.200 Yeah, well said one more thing in this space, and 336 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:57.320 then ironically enough, I get to ask you about a 337 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.679 former teammate of yours at Utah who's going through the process. 338 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.279 So we'll get there in the moment. Like I said, 339 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:05.960 you've gone onto the NFL. You know, you've had a 340 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:09.399 really good career and you'll continue to. But I wonder 341 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:13.080 through conversations that you have with with ex teammates at 342 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:16.080 Utah who didn't have an opportunity to go make money 343 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:19.679 playing pro football, do you feel like there's resentment? 344 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:21.080 Do you feel like there's bitterness. 345 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:23.360 Do you feel like there's anger that they were not 346 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:26.639 able to play and benefit off of their name, image 347 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.120 and likeness while they were playing at college college football? 348 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:30.519 Utah. 349 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:35.840 Uh. You know, I think you definitely are going to 350 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:38.440 have those emotions to some degree. And I think that's 351 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:40.879 fair when you think about putting your body on the 352 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:43.639 line the way you do, and you know, and all 353 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.960 that type of stuff. So I think that's fair to 354 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:49.600 have those emotions. And I'm sure some guys do. I 355 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:51.799 know I've had them even though I've been able to 356 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.399 go in the NFL and uh do some things in 357 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:57.000 that in that realm and things like that as well. Uh, 358 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.799 But you know, I think long lasting wise, I don't 359 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:02.679 think so. But you know, it's like I said, it's 360 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.920 fair to have that because it is something that would 361 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.200 have been great to a lot of guys. Because it's 362 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:11.920 just like I said, it sets you up at a 363 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.160 certain age twenty one, twenty two years old with an 364 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:18.200 X amount of dollars right you do it correctly and 365 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:22.440 things like that. It's a big blessing financially to take 366 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.920 care of yourself and even people you love depending on 367 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.160 you know, however much you made or whatever, but it 368 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.519 is what it is. You know, it just wasn't the 369 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:38.319 timing didn't didn't work out, and that's you know, obviously 370 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:41.279 that's fair in the sense of, you know, you just 371 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.319 were born a little too early and that's when they 372 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:47.480 decided to do it. But but yeah. 373 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.480 Now it's a good perspective, all right. 374 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:53.400 The twenty nineteen Utah football team, in my estimation, is 375 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.519 as talented, was as talented, is as talented as any 376 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:58.480 team that we've ever. 377 00:17:58.319 --> 00:17:59.000 Had in the state. 378 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:01.559 I believe that that includes two thousand and four, in 379 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:05.480 two thousand and eight, the undefeated teams, and you played 380 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.920 with Brant Keithy and Brand Keithy. Of course, prior to 381 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:11.839 Dalton King, Kid was thought to be the better NFL 382 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.440 tight end prospect because back before Brand had his injury issues, 383 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:19.000 he was really dynamic. Uh, he's going through the process 384 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.759 and I don't know that he'll be drafted and hopefully 385 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:23.640 he can just get healthy and somebody gives him a look. 386 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:25.440 But what sort of NFL player do you think Bran 387 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:26.240 Keithy could make. 388 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:31.480 You know, like you said, he's very dynamic when he 389 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:35.279 was healthy. I think that's the main thing is getting 390 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.599 into the NFL for one, and being able to stay healthy. 391 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:40.319 He's a guy who can do a lot of different things, 392 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:44.200 and you know, in NFL is about you know, sticking around. 393 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:46.480 You know, it's really hard to stick around that lead. 394 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.519 So you know, him being an athlete that he is 395 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:53.519 at especially at that position, I think, you know, you 396 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:56.160 don't always just have to catch passes. Is the more 397 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:59.200 you can do in NFL, it's what allows you to 398 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.240 have a really good career. They have the longevity you 399 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.000 might want, so you know, I think going in with 400 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:08.720 an open mind, maybe it's not fifty catches you know, 401 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:11.720