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Speaker 1: The exclaimer to the fair season. Karen's out there, how

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dare you? All guests only show do not reflect the

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to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and grow not

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what we want. If you are looking for an echo chamber,

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you are and listener discretion's as.

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Speaker 2: You talking about extreme I knowledge, we will guilty from

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the super They don't fear the questions, they fear the

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does the dark and this shows what.

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Speaker 3: A Hey, guys, what is happening and what is up?

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Hold out that glass, baby, because we're about to fill

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it up. Welcome to the Prometheus Lins Podcast, the place

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where the conversations are always in the lightning. I'm your

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host Doc Brown. Here we like to use the allegory

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of the Prometheus lens to take a second look at everything. Guys,

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got a really great show for you. This is a

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man that I've seen him on various films and made

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many many plans to go to this side that he runs.

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And I actually I had an interview with the Hailey

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Ramsey and I usually ask people at the end of

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the show, I'm like, hey, if you know anybody that

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would be a good fit for the show. You know,

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kind of helped me out and she's like, hey, are

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you familiar with the America's Stonehenge. I said, oh, yeah,

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I got several DVDs over here that's from La Marzuli

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on the America's Stone Hens. She's like, well, I'm he

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ends with Dennis. I can set you up with Dennis.

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I was like, oh, please, do, please do. So Dennis

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was actually available, he was willing to come on and

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talk to us today. So I'd like to welcome him

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to the show for the first and hopefully the first

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of me anding mister Dennis Stone. Dennis, thank you for

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coming hanging out with us today.

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Speaker 4: Well, hey, dog, thank you so much for having me on.

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And thanks to Henley we made the connection. I'm so

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happy to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. For those maybe that's not familiar with this great

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site that you have been taken care of these past

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what forty years or fifty years? It's been passed kind

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of through the family, hasn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, actually but almost seventy years, so, but who's who's counting, right,

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So my family got involved with us back in eighteen

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fifty five. It was a radio show just like we're

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doing right now. It was my dad, Robert Stone, and

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my dad was interested and always interested in history. He

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was raising a new family, me and my sister was

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on her way that you were. In nineteen fifty five.

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a couple of relatives. And my dad had been in

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the Coast DoD in the early fifties. He had been

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stationed up in Canada, up in Newfoundland right across from

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a lot where the Vikings landed at Lonzo Meadow. And

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if at the time he was aware of that site,

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of course he would have visited it. He just loved

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that kind of thing, but at nineteen early fifties it

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wasn't known. In nineteen sixty they actually proved that the

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Vikings landed there. But after that he get out of

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the Coast Guard. He became an engineer at AT and

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T in Bell Labatories and he did that for the

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next thirty years. But in the evening of in the

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summer of nineteen fifty five, it was a Friday night,

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around seven thirty, there was a show on one of

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the local AM stations. The station is still there today.

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It's one of the biggest stations in New England, and

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his sister is Boston's one of Boston's biggest TV stations,

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you know, so it's a radio and a TV at work.

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But back in fifty five, the show on that evening

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was called Yankee Yarns. Yankee Yon's host was Alton Hall Blackington,

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a native of Maine, and each Friday he would get

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on and tell stories all about doing and all sorts

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of you know, the history, the mystery and all of that,

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and a lot of lore and legends and stuff like that.

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actually listened to it up in Labrador because you could

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things across the country. So that's how he stayed in touch.

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you know, besides letters back and forth, you know, the

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snail mail. But the show that inning was all about

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the site we call America stonehngchs today, and he ever

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heard about it. He was fascinated by the topic. And

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the thing was he only lived up the road seven

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miles from this site and never heard of it growing up,

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so that really got his interest. But talk about Quinn

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and so was just a few days later. Who's at

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a barber shop in that town of Derydey, Hampshire, waiting

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to have his haircut. He's looking at a magazine on

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the table there and as he's flipping through it, he

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sees a whole feature article all about the same site

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and he's like, oh my gosh, and it's pitches now

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we can see what the place looks like, you know,

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and that really blew his mind. He looked up at

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the bob or the owner, Warren Haywood was the owner

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of the barber shop, and he goes, hey, Warren, can

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I borrow this? And Warren says, well, how old is

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that magazine? My dad goes, well, nineteen fifty two. It's

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three years old. He goes, you can have it. So

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that weekend they're at my aunt and uncle's house, my

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mom's sister and her brother in law and about ten people.

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friends at my aunt and uncles. They played cards, they

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drank some beers and a few of them smoked back

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in those days and no cigarettes and all that. I

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was about a year and a half old and my

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first cousin lived there, so there were the two of us.

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he passed it around and like my dad, nobody ever

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heard of us. It was kind of like, what is

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this place that's strange, you know, only down the road

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a few miles, but to get to my uncle r

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and my aunt my mom's sister, and they looked at it. It

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was my uncle Eric goes, wait a minute. We used

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to go there in the nineteen thirties on our bicycles.

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We used to pick it down there. You know. They

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used to ride down about eight or nine miles in

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their bike and go up on the hill and sit

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them up with the ruins, enjoying the ruins, you know,

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just probably fantasizing about what the whole thing was. And

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at that time the site was on private property. It

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always has been really, but it was not open to

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the public, so they were trespassing, of course, having a

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good good time like everybody else did. It was kind

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of a spot where locals came to do this kind

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of thing, and it was a mysterious place, and I'm

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sure a lot of legends were woven at that time.

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as we know, it's not open to the public. There's

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no road signs. They didn't have Google Earth, it wasn't

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on any maps back in those days. You can get

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a mobile map, trip whatever, and it's like nothing, you know.

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So that Sunday, the four of them got together. I

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guess they left my cousin and myself and my grand

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one of my grandparents, you know, my grandmother probably, and

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they took off driving around north Sale, New Hampshire. So

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we're in southern New Hampshire, in the town of North Salem,

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and they rode around for a while. They finally found

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an old dirt road, kind of overgrown going up the hill,

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and they said, I think this could be it. We

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don't know, So they poked the car. They walked about

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half a mile through the woods up the hill and

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again they were trespassing, and finally get to the top

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of the hill and they looked and there's the whole

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site right in front of them, just as it was,

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you know, twenty years before. And at that time there

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was a aiming fence as there is today around what

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we call the main site complex about one acre. The

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channing fence had been put up by the first researcher

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in nineteen thirty seven and he put bob wire on

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top of it. His idea was to protect the site,

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stop people from trespassing, although it didn't really deter everybody,

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and to stop people from stealing things from the site, artifacts,

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you know, souvenirs whatever. So the fence was locked up.

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were signs there so you do not trespass. So they

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my dad climbed on the fence. The rest of them

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didn't climb. It was kind of hard. You get to

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get in the dirt, You're got to go into the

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shop wire and thenath too, you know, and climb underneath.

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I'll get cut by that. And my dad disappeared for

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quite a while, you know, and they're outside wondering what

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he's doing where he is, and they can't really see

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him too well. In those there's a lot of brush there,

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you know, and vegetation. So after quite a while he

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finally re emergence from the site and he gets out

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there and he's so excited. He's talking about their chambers,

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the standing stones, you can walk inside, it structured, all

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the different features and so. But he did bring up

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the fact at some point that he would love to

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get involved with research. He would like to know more

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about it. Maybe he could even get involved with somehow

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opening it up to the public and maybe even buying it.

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At that point, my mom said, you got rocks in

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your head. Because he had a lot on his plate,

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you know, family, and he was going to college Merrimack

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College in Massachusetts, was going to night school too, on

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top of at and t raising us. And he was

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still adding on a breezeway and garage to a house.

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he did have rocks in his head and a I

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think he took it as a compliment rather than either

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way it was supposed to be met, you know. So

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he met the owner, Malcolm Pearson of Massachusetts after that,

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and for the next three years they worked together on

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a lease agreement to lease the property, which is about

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twenty acres at that time, including the main site and

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to open it up to the public. And by nineteen

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fifty seven the papers were signed and I was just

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looking at them it the other day. It was June twentieth,

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nineteen fifty seven. They actually did. They have my dad,

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my uncle, some of the board members and they met

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at a lawyer's office in Manchester, New Hampshire, and the

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lawyer we got all the names and everything and they

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went through the whole thing and it's page after page

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of this lease agreement to open it to the public.

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it as Patty's Caves. That was a family that was

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up there in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds. There were

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five generations of shoemakers actually, and they had a big

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kind of effect on the site, if you will. But

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when they opened it to the public, they were using

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the word They changed it from Patty's Caves to the

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Stone Village, but that quickly changed to the Stone Ruins

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of New Hampshire became the official name of it by

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nineteen fifty eight, and so it's going through a number

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of names over the years. And we actually opened on

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a soft opening on June twentieth nineteen fifty eight, which

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is a summer solstice coincidentally, and they did not know

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we had any astronomical alignments back in the fifties, so

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talk about another coincidence. But on July, I think it

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was eleven to twelve, I got it in my book

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they actually had the hide opening. The Governor in New

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Hampshire came down, you know, and it was a celebration.

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We all pitches and everything, and it was kind of

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neat to be able to open a site that maybe

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people were skeptical that about opening to the public, that

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would have an interest to the public, that would be survivable,

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you know, as a company, you know if you will.

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when we were sixty nine years this year we've been open.

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You know. Sometimes we go through the ups and downs

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like every business, you know. But you know, so I'm

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like the second generation. My son Kelsey. We only have

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one child, Kelsey. He's an engineer like my dad. He's

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working at raytheon but he has his hands in it.

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He just redid all the interior displays over which is

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so cool. And he has a daughter, our five year

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old granddaughter and her name is Julie Juliette and she

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stuff like that. So before generations that it's been open

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and that was nineteen seventy in the fall and there's

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a margaret today. It's in Sale, New Hampshire, and twenty

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in Salem, and as it continues into North Salem kind

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of in that direction, and then rode twenty eight, he

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actually starts in Cape Cord. It goes up to the

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White Mountains of New Hampshire. It's an old eye, I guess,

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thea trail that the Native Americans turned into a footpath

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which became today what it is twenty and a very busy road.

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And that's where our historic Marcker has been since nineteen seventy,

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which is kind of nice. So our state historic site

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privately owned and operated. My dad actually had the fight

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for that, as he did most everything else with our business.

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You know, like a lot of people. You know, it's

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a struggle for everyone, you know, but we're so happy

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that the place is still open to the public. You know,

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we're still caring for it. We still have our visitors

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coming in there, you know, to help support the place,

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and the interest is one of the big things, having

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people interested in our site. But it's not the only

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site like this. It's the most complex when I think,

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the most dense on a certain like one hundred and

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six acre property, but these structures can be found all

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over the Northeast. And even when my dad got involved

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with us in the fifties, he became quite quickly aware

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of other sites in New England, and one of them

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in Hoppington, Massachusetts. That's where the Boston Marathon will be.

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When you hear the Boston Marathon and Hoppington, mass there

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are stone chambers there and they were known about in

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the nineteen thirties. Our first researcher, mister Goodwin, actually visited

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that site before. He was from Hotford, Connecticut. He heard

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about this whole thing from a friend out in Seattle, Washington,

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where he used to live, and said, hey, they knew

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Goodwin was into Vikings and ancient sites. Native American maybe

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other like Irish called the monks coming over from Ireland

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back before the Viking kind of thing, and he told

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them because in your area of New England there are

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stone structures. Should go visit them. So the acting Chamber

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and mass down the streets, the Hoptington Mass again where

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the Boston Marathon will begin. That's coming up very shortly.

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They're appetising on TV already. And then the upting Chamber

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I mentioned to you off the camera, and that Hopkin

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Chamber is a pretty phenomenal chamber. That's about an hour

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and a half from here. And it looks like an igloo.

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This like a gigantic igloo, all built out of stone.

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It's got a kind of a core belled roof dome

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shaped ten feet by ten feet. The entrance facing the equan.

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I think it's the equinox. They always get that one

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mixed up equinox or solstice, and some might will actually

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go through this fourteen foot entrance which is kind of

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like an igloo entrance. But those tabers were known about

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even in the nineteen thirties, and several in New Hampshire

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and others in Connecticut like the Gungey Womp site right

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by the naval base or the Navy base in Groton, Connecticut.

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That site's pretty That site was known about with John

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tension in sixteen thirty sixteen fifty four, three hundred and

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seventy two years ago wrote the John Winthrop the second,

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not the first, but John Winterrop the second from Massachusetts.

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Since said we got a strong fort here, very unusual

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and very unknown. Do we know anything about this? We

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think he's referring to that two hundred and fifty acre

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site called Gungeywomp site. Today gungey Wop is owned by

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it is partly owned by the state today. It was

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on YMCA property for decades and decades. We went there

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in the sixties, probably in the fifties, but that's a

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huge site. But now today we know there's probably about

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eight hundred different locations for these structures. Ours is one

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with one hundred and six acres. Guney Wumps about two

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hundred and fifty acres roughly, and it's two different properties.

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I think it's I think part of it's owned by

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somebody else now in the state of mass Connecticut's taken

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over part of it. And then you'll have like a

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chamber down the street and win the New Hampshire. It's

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this one structure or plaster or dan Doldy Hampshire. But

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you can get it to nowth Stonington, Connecticut. Nos Stonington's

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an interesting town and we really became aware of it

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ten years ago when a book came out called Ceremonial

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Stonework by an author who writes for Yankee Magazine, which

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is a New England publication. He's a freelance photographer writer.

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He writes about New England fishing villages and sixteen he

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put this book together. It took him a little while

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to do it and it came out and we became

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aware of it. Actually went to a meeting and gorought

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in Connecticut. My dad's group before him in nineteen sixty

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four had the spring meeting in there in twenty seventeen,

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and this guy named Mark Starr wrote the book. And

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I'm looking at the book. Before he spoke, I was

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aware of they he was going to speak, because we

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get the wholdest of speakers. It's a three day it's

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a three day meeting. We usually attend one day because

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of the business. We can't get away that lung. So

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he is Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. It's a three day meeting,

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you know. So we got there Saturday and we wanted

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to see him speak. But I saw his book first,

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and I'm like, wow, And I didn't see his name it

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for us, but I'm like, what is this. Well, on

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one of the book tables you can buy books by

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the different authors and that we're going to be speaking

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and stuff. I was blown away. Two hundred and seventy photographs,

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eight thousand structures, eight thousand structures. I'm like, this is

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going to be the whole northeast part of Canada in

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the US. That's a lot of structures. And as I read,

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my wife was next to me too. I was looking

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at it and like, all of a sudden to get

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into it a little bit, and said, twenty five categories

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of structures, different types and everything, which we have at

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our site. But I'm like, twenty five categories of structures.

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And at that point I had found a few walls

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that I believe were serpentee in shape, and I had

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found a couple of these windows I had mentioned before

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the show started, these beautiful lintled windows in the walls.

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We have them in the chambers several both these are

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in the stone walls themselves. And these were all founds.

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Since twenty sixteen, that's a year I retired from flying.

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I was at American Airlines. I was captain there, but

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I found my first separate wall right after retirement. I

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found my first window right after retirement, which was kind

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of a nice way to retire, you know, and from

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one life style on the road all the time, I

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do miss it somewhat today, you know, some of the

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good times, but it's a whole lifestyle change. You know,

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you're on the road for four or five days, and

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then you come home, then you work at the museum,

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fix things at break go back on there. But I

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had a lot more time on my hands, and I

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flew for four two years. But anyway, I started buying

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these So by the time we went to that meeting,

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I was already aware that we had some things that

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looked like snakes, and we had things that were windows.

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And when I flipped through his book, one of the

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categories was a circuit walls, and I'm like, oh my god,

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he's got them here too. I think that's what we

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think we have. I didn't know anybody else had him.

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I was aware of the Great Serpent momb made out

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of earth out in Peebles, Ohio, which we've been to,

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and that's amazing. Thirteen hundred and fifty feet long, but

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ours a stone wall shaped like a serpent head, body

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and tail. And as I'm flipping to the book in

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that section, there's four hundred of them in that one town,

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thirty feet in length up to three hundred. I think

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ninety was the average in length. Some of them are

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linear or straight. Some of them actually look like the

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head like that kind of ninety degrees. Sometimes we'll have

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a tail like that, and others can be s shaped

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and some of them and we found on our site

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coming on and it looked like they're biting the tail.

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And so his is most of them are linear, kind

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of straight, but he does have some that curve, and

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as you get into the reading, he goes, but next

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do on Rhode Island, most of them are curved serpents,

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and they'll have a head and the heads can be

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a boulder, they can be stack stones. They can be

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also stones that are shaped like triangles or diamond shapes.

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And we have those all of those at our at

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our site. And I'm like, he's got four hundred sherpet

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walls there. Some of them come out of the swampy areas.

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Some of the stone walls or serpents are going into

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the swampy in one of ours, a wide mouth appears

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to be heading south right into our swamp. It's right

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there right at of what is our one of our swamps,

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on top of the hill. And then you know, and

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then he got the windows, and its like we have

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those same with a like a lentil shill plate sides.

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They look just like windows. Some of them are near

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the bottom of the walls, somewhere near the top. Many

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of them are by themselves. But we have two groups

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up there with four of them together so far that

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we found he has those two. The function of them

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is not known, the reason for them not known. But

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now we know that they're all over New England. I

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mean they're in New York. These windows are in the

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Berkshires and Massachusetts, and some of them are part of

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the serpent walls. And not to confused to listeners, we

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don't know the correlation yet between the windows and the serpents.

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Some of ours seem to be part of a serpent wall,

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and some of them seem to be in walls that

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do not have a head, body and tail. They're just

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in a wall like you know. And I think that

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that happens in north Stonington, for instance. But some of

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them are part of serpent walls. It's just like now.

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Some of our windows of the thirty six we have

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have stone shutters. The stones there that will fit right

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into the front of the window. You could be used

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to block it. One of them which was found on

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the shutters age and shutters. That was a surprise, and

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that was found in twenty nineteen, a few years after

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I found my first couple of windows, and my son's

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found some. Some of our rail the researchers, our manager

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James has found a couple of these windows. So of

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the thirty six, I found kind of most of them,

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but the other people are finding them too. You know.

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Once there the cat's bag, it's like wow, okay, now

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what will be no looking for one of them out

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I had four. I worked next to it cleaning up

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the brief for a week. We had a force project

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to thin out the entire hill, open up all the

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astronomical alignments better, which we started in nineteen sixty five,

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and to remove the trees near the walls. They wouldn't

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cause damage with uprooting when a tree fell over and

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also falling on the structures around the walls. And so

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we did a two winter, a two year winter thinning

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of the entire project. We had a license for three

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We wrote a thirty page report on the whole thing,

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I guess, which the USDA accepted, and everything that was

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kind of cool. Evasive plants, protection of wildlife, protection of

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the forest, make it healthier. And so they did that,

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and it just really opened up the hill. And they

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left some debris behind in that forest forest so you

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could just leave it there to Rod. It's white be

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taken home for firewood, while I ended up taking most

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of it home for firewood, and I didn't want to

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see another fire up there. We had a fire in

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twenty ten, right after my dad died. It took out

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fifteen acres like that. It was a lot of It

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was an area I never really got to. It was

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a lot of debris and dead stuff there, which is okay,

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but if it catches fire, it's a tinder box. It

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just goes up in it. When it killed a lot

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of really healthy trees because of the heat intensity. So

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he said, well, we're going to do fuel reduction too,

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you know. So I'm working next to this in February,

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like three or four years ago. Next to this wall.

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I knew the wall was there, and I'm picking up

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debris with my either snowmobiling cart or my ATV in

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a cart, and I'm working there over a course for

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a couple of days because there's a lot of junk there,

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and I take it home. I use it for kindling.

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One in my two wigstol. I turned towards the end

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when I was about done in that area. I look

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over and I'm like, oh my god, there's a window

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right there, and it was kind of high in the wall.

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And then I looked next to it and I see

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another window adjacent to it. And then I looked down

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and there's two more windows near the walk, near the ground.

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I'm like, I worked here for a week and never

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noticed that they can actually hide in plain site. If

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you add a little bit of brush there, you don't

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even see him. So he has these windows is one

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of his categories. But finding out later they're not only

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all over New England. But I got a friend from England.

475
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,559
She missed near Stonehem. She lives in near Abury, which

476
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:37,599
we've been to, which is one of the biggest megalithic

477
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:42,240
structures in Europe. Anyway, a Priy it stuck the road

478
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:47,119
from Stonehenge and she does like archaeology. Her dad visited

479
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,400
us in nineteen eighty. She finally came here last year

480
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,720
and did a workshop on our site for two days.

481
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,359
People came from bridgersh She's pretty well known. She's been

482
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,839
on a does podcast, she does TV. She's been on

483
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,960
History Channel. She does Dowsing two in Earth Energies And

484
00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:04,200
during one of the podcasts about fire, I did a

485
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,519
couple with her. She goes then to stay on the

486
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,440
line after we're done, I got to tell you something.

487
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:10,720
And so we are off air, you know, at that point,

488
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,000
and she did from England. I'm over here. It's five

489
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:17,240
hour time zone, and but anyway, she says, I got

490
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:20,440
windows here. Two goes, they're in Dotmore, England, you know,

491
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:22,160
And she goes, I'm going to send you a picture.

492
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,319
And these are megalithic windows, and we call them soul holes.

493
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,440
Sometimes we report them as portals were energy. She goes,

494
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,880
but they're also called soul hooles. It's one idea is

495
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,960
that the souls could pass through these windows. And she

496
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:35,839
sends me the picture. It looks like one of ours,

497
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,000
you know, and she was pretty amazed. That we had

498
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:39,720
these things at our site in the first place, so

499
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:43,359
they do exist on that side of the ocean. Later on,

500
00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:45,960
just I think a year or two ago, she says,

501
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,799
we did another thing, and then she visited us last year.

502
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,119
She was here for several days. She flew over from

503
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,039
England right into Boston right off here with her daughter.

504
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,960
She brought her daughter River up and so she goes,

505
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,119
we have serpent walls here too. I'm like, you do.

506
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,759
She goes, it's in the same area dotmore near the windows.

507
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,480
I said, well, that's that's really interesting. And then she

508
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,160
sends me some pitches of her surfing walls and guys said,

509
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,359
they do believe these are ancient. She goes, yeah, I believe.

510
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,799
We don't have that big question about over here in questions,

511
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,279
all these sites could be here. They're accepted kind up

512
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,079
as ancient, but they do like to get evidence to

513
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,960
support that. Obviously common whatever you can date, you know,

514
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,599
so they're over there too, you know. But this mackham

515
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,039
Star's book was simply amazing, and it's eight thousand instructions.

516
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,799
You've lived there for thirty years at that time. In

517
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,599
twenty sixteen, he was told these were all built by farmers.

518
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:35,960
He goes to the hill landscape. There is very hilly,

519
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,240
very treacherous, very rocky. The soil is very arable for

520
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:44,559
growing crops, and it just full of rocks. Not Stonington

521
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,759
is a good name for the place. It's not far

522
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,319
from Gungey Womp. It's right down the street from Gungey Womp,

523
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,119
the site I mentioned and guns you up. Now. They

524
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,480
have walls that have been out there. They've looked at

525
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,240
them and didn't make much heads or tail out of them,

526
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,160
whether they were old enough. But they're finding some of

527
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,599
them are surfenteen in shape, yet of some sort a

528
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:04,400
body and then a tail, and some of our tails

529
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,839
are perfectly pointed. Some of them end up with a

530
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,079
flat slab. One of the first one I found was

531
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:13,880
twenty seven feet long at a rock, kind of a

532
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,400
rectangular head that looked like it fell from its original position.

533
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,440
It tapered down to this rock that's about four feet long,

534
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,000
and I had rounded corners. It was rectangular with rounded corners,

535
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,720
and as I looked at it, it was in a ridge

536
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,200
of bedrock. Like a lot of the ones in our

537
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,319
Stonington are on origins of bedrock, and that's one of

538
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,920
the things he brings out in his book. I'm like,

539
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,160
that's my first serpent, and I'm like, this thing doesn't

540
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,640
look like a regular stone wall. I was driving through

541
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,920
the woods on my ATV in the direction where my

542
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,440
dad used to live, and I used to go buy

543
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,279
that all the time. You know that particular it's a

544
00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:49,480
snowshoe trail actually, and I was going out there, probably

545
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,680
gathering some wood or whatever. It's clean up. I love

546
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,599
to clean up, take it home and you know, keep

547
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,519
the house warm. I looked over about sixty feet at

548
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:58,759
that wall and I'm like, that looks so strange. Today

549
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,839
there was the woods, the light was coming through striking

550
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:03,799
and I said, that look kind of weird. I've seen

551
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:06,839
that before, but it seems to have a tapered shape.

552
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,960
So walked over to it, got off the ATV. I'm

553
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,079
looking at it, walking around and going, what the heck?

554
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,440
It looks like a snake's, you know, And I'm looking

555
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,519
at the tail. They kind of saying, is that's what's

556
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:20,920
to represent a rattle? I don't know. I had no clue.

557
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,319
I had no reference for that. I only knew about

558
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:27,480
the Great Serpent Mountain, Ohio, and so I started showing

559
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:28,960
that the people and they'll go like you might be

560
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:30,880
onto something here, you know. And that was in the

561
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,640
spring of twenty sixteen. After that, I found a couple others,

562
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,440
including our great big one hundred and forty foot with

563
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:39,279
one hundred and thirty seven feet I guess it is.

564
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,240
It's a big S shaped serpent with a triangular head.

565
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:46,279
It's right on the astronomical trail that we opened up

566
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:50,519
in nineteen seventy. In fact, my dad and I worked

567
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:54,519
on that with a couple of our staff members. Nineteen

568
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:58,119
seventy four, we expanded that trail to take into Somersaults

569
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,359
to Sunset Monolith in a couple other features, and that's

570
00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:05,119
when we went right by that S shaped wall, right

571
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,440
along the whole thing, and never noticed. It was a

572
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,039
big S shape with a triangular head with with a

573
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:15,519
boulder maybe a boulder maybe two feet across. For three

574
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,519
feet across is the tail, and it sits on bedrock.

575
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,519
You can see the bedrock where the tail ends right

576
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,960
there and where the head is bedrock. The whole thing

577
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,039
just sits on bedrock and it looks like a gigantic

578
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,039
ass and it's so obvious today it's like, how could

579
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,720
we not see this thing in nineteen seventy or set

580
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:33,880
seventy went by pot of it and seventy four you

581
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,920
went along the whole thing. It's like, how can we

582
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,319
have not seen that? Well, we weren't looking. And you

583
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,839
have blueberry bushes, you have other types of brush there

584
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,880
just concealing it. You'll see the wall, but all you

585
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,880
see is bits and pieces of it. And took us

586
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,359
all these decades later to actually see that. I believe

587
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:51,599
it is a surfent wall that was like my second one.

588
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,079
Speaker 5: Most days don't look like an emergency. That's why most

589
00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,920
people never think about what they're carrying. We do because

590
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,759
preparedness isn't about looking the party, it's about being ready anyway.

591
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,079
Comfort isn't a luxury. It's what keeps you moving when

592
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:14,119
the day goes longer than planned. That's why every Squatch

593
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,359
Survival pack is made here start to finish. Squatch builds

594
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,039
packs for people who don't assume the day will stay easy.

595
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:27,599
Rugeru mofman built to last your missions and be passed

596
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,960
down when you're done. Squatch survival gear ready for the

597
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,519
next one.

598
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:39,759
Speaker 4: And then we found a couple other ones too, and

599
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:43,680
in that year Skatwald has been doing America on Earth,

600
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,240
you know, starting in two thousand on History Fannel. He

601
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:49,359
was the host of that fill from twenty twelve. I

602
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,960
think he went on the air just at the end

603
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,359
of twelve and it ran for a couple of seasons.

604
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,279
It went off, came back on again, and then they

605
00:30:55,319 --> 00:31:00,519
moved it over to Discovery Network. But from Annie and

606
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,519
Disney and History Channel, they sold I think the rights

607
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,599
to do it on Discovery Network and they put it

608
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,440
on their Travel channel and he did a couple of work.

609
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:11,440
He's doing something on Guy at TV now, but he's

610
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,440
been to our site many times. We had a bunch

611
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,279
of people including Alan what was a gentleman's name. He's

612
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:21,440
from England, Alan trying to think of the gentleman's Alan Butler.

613
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:25,160
Alan Butler is a kind of a expert on a

614
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,400
lot of the megalithics stuff in Europe. And he's been

615
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,920
on History Channel too, and he was with his wife

616
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,759
and they had a nice on for OUs at our

617
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,920
site visiting his good had been their number many times,

618
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,759
you know. But then he did the TV show there

619
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:39,720
and everything, so I filled him a couple of my

620
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,000
fervent walls there when they visited in that spring of

621
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,359
twenty sixteen and they were like, I think you got

622
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,279
faprient walls here, you know, And they didn't mention anything

623
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,160
of any in England at Alan never mentioned that at all.

624
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,920
But that really kind of kind of made me feel

625
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,400
we were right on the right path, you know. We

626
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,000
weren't imagining this whole thing. So we kept finding a

627
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,039
few more of these serparent walls. But the biggest thing

628
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:08,000
we found so far is the watchhouse. The watchhouse is

629
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,160
the first truck you'll see when you visit. We hope

630
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,839
you come up dock and come on up and when

631
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:14,440
you get there, that's one of the first things you

632
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,799
will see. And if you approach it now we did

633
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,519
that forestry things can actually see the head. It's a

634
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:23,640
big glacial erratic boulder like a lot of they're all

635
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,880
over New England, you know, and at sites like nostonic

636
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,839
and somebody became the head of the Serpent. In Pennsylvania

637
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,759
there's one that's just like that. You know. They're in

638
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,640
New York and the Hutchon Valley, Dutchess County, Putnam, Westchester

639
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,799
that holding. So you can actually see today as you're

640
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:44,119
approaching from our visitors that are heading up a couple

641
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,000
hundred feet straight up on our trail. You can see

642
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,200
the profile of it. You'll see the heads. You can

643
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,079
see the wall in front of it, which is the tail,

644
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,279
the serpent tail. You can see the undulations. The wall

645
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:59,640
goes up, down, up and down several times, heading on

646
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:06,319
its path around counterclockwise, touching every astronomical alignment mocker where

647
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,559
the sun or the moon rise over or set. It's

648
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:11,599
you have to have a backsite and foresight to have

649
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,839
an astronomical like a gun sight. So every one of

650
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,799
these mocerstones for the sun rises through sets, the moon

651
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,960
rises a sets, or even some star alignments. They are

652
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,759
part of the body that go around the entire fifteen acres,

653
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,799
come back one more hump, and then a ninety degree

654
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:32,720
tail right in front of its mouth. And so this

655
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:34,839
is two thousand, five hundred and fifty feet. This is

656
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,200
over about twelve hundred feet longer than the Great Serpent

657
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,599
Mounder in Ohio, which is supposed the biggest, the biggest

658
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:43,519
surf and effigy in the world. And I would say

659
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,559
it's the biggest earthen one. Now if ours is what

660
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:49,480
we believe it is, they have the biggest earthen serpent

661
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,960
in the world, and we may have the biggest surpent effigy,

662
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,599
you know, unless it's one in South America. Will find

663
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,880
that out, you know. I know they have surpents down there,

664
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,079
and some significantly you know, big ones. But I I

665
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,480
think we might have the biggest serpent effigy in the world,

666
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:05,680
at least that's our knowledge at the moment, you know.

667
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,400
So we have a small one which is twenty seven feet,

668
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,079
and then we have one hundred and thirty seven footer,

669
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,840
and then we have various other sized serpents too, So

670
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,360
a total of sixteen at our property that we know

671
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,119
of today. The last one was found two years ago,

672
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:26,719
that recent. And who knows, you know, maybe if we

673
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,639
do another show, you know, in another year or so,

674
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,840
maybe we'll have something on that too, you know, maybe

675
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,440
we'll find another one out there possibly, you know. And

676
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:40,159
the serpent could be uh the ponscel Lay and Draco

677
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,559
is kind of a serpent or dragon safe in the

678
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:47,440
Northern Hemisphere. They say that inspired the builders of the

679
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,280
Great Serpent Mountain, Ohio possibly, and the Great syrp and

680
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,239
mount in Ohio is so cool it is aligned with

681
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,519
a head towards the summer souls of sun set, and

682
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,960
they said it was a sort of an actual formation

683
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,599
called an ester. It's kind of a rise, I think

684
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,280
of some sort of rocky material and they took advantage

685
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,480
of that. And it turns out it's kind of aligned

686
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,639
with the sunset of the summer solstice, and as the

687
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,760
body meanders back and forth at the one in Ohio,

688
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,360
it aligned with the equinox. I believe the sunrise from sunset.

689
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,079
Somebody can correct me. It was a couple of years

690
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:24,679
were out there, two years ago, so I forgot some

691
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,079
of the details. And they have the winter solstice too.

692
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:29,719
But the sap of it, they think being a snake

693
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,440
with an egg in its mouth could represent maybe like

694
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:37,119
a solar eclipse. Maybe the mouth is eating the sun,

695
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,119
kind of like the moon is eating the sun during

696
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,639
a solar eclipse. Kind of. We know that the automist

697
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:44,400
foods had their own little eclipse up there. But anyway,

698
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,880
the sape of it being a snake might be because

699
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,519
that constellation Draco and there there's a great surf a moune.

700
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:57,719
Yeah isn't yeah? Isn't that? And there it is right,

701
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,320
it will.

702
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:02,079
Speaker 3: Show you this I thought, local, give me a whole

703
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,239
new perspective on this. He's native, he's a Native American,

704
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,119
and he said, this is what he thinks that it

705
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,239
originally was. He said, we believe that it was originally

706
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,119
a turtle. Oh really, so it was a snake, yes,

707
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:18,800
snake eating a turtle. He said. It kind of symbolized

708
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,000
the the god quasi kettle in South America. So the

709
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,920
people from South America migrating north and basically they're God

710
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,360
swallowing Turtle Island because they called, you know, North America

711
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,639
Turtle Island. I thought that was turtle. Interesting.

712
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 4: The turtle is a big thing, and that's so cool.

713
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,719
I hadn't seen that one. I do know that with

714
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,159
that turtle is some people suggest it's a nake, and

715
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,199
he may be right, you know, part of his ancient traditions.

716
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,400
They did look at that. There is supposed to be

717
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,480
a monolith there. And when you walk up there and

718
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:54,079
walk along the whole thing, it's beautiful, absolutely beautifully. Have

719
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,000
a visitor center kind of like hours. You know, you

720
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:57,719
go in there and get the t shirt, the book,

721
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,320
really nice restrooms and everything, maybe snack. Uh. Then you

722
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,719
go out and you look at it's like, wow, this

723
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,679
is pretty phenomenal, you know. And you get to the

724
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,440
head with the with the egg of the turtle.

725
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

726
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,599
Speaker 4: You look over the bank and in its year it

727
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,320
just goes straight down and that's where that and that's

728
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,840
where that stone monolith I think rest today. I don't

729
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,760
know what the authority is there, Ohio or whatever, whether

730
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,639
they would consider looking at that monolith which has fallen.

731
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,519
I can't remember why it's over the bank and today

732
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:29,920
I don't know if it was vandalizard or just wearing.

733
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: Caretakers did they got tired of weed eating around it,

734
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,119
so the caretakers just do it over the cliff.

735
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 4: They threw it over the Oh thank you for that.

736
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,480
I I mean, isn't that sad? Like it's in our way?

737
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:45,480
They got. They didn't do that at Stonehems, although a

738
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:48,360
few of missing we've been to Stonehems, you know in

739
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,320
Pot of Bits and Distriby too. I know Haley, we

740
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,400
mentioned Haley. I think she actually went down to the

741
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,159
river and swam at it. So if he was down

742
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:57,800
in that area, we didn't, you know, we didn't wear

743
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,920
at that adventurous. It's you gotta get down there, you know.

744
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:03,440
So and then the trees that are there today, a

745
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,840
lot of them have been planted in the last sixtew

746
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,559
seven years, and I know there was a resistance taking

747
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:10,199
the trees. And I love trees, you know, but we

748
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,000
have to manage the forest. It's healthier for the forest,

749
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:15,320
healthier for the animals. We have more wildlife and our

750
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,360
licensed forest. And we went to University of Hampshire, you know,

751
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,599
for a degree. Because you're gonna have more You're gonna

752
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:22,960
have healthier trees. You're gonna have and you can you

753
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,440
can do this harvest every fifteen to twenty but you're

754
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,599
gonna see more animals than you had before. You could

755
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,599
have a variety, and you have open space. It's just good.

756
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,159
You know. Well, if they would open that up, you

757
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:36,639
could actually watch the summer solstice there. But this we

758
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,239
own our property. We kind of can do what we

759
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,440
want to it. We love it, we respect it, but

760
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:44,239
we can kind of do what we want with the property.

761
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,960
But when you get into like something that's under a

762
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,360
government or a local government kind of thing, sometimes it

763
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,400
takes a while to get things done. Sometimes some people

764
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,119
on the boards and stuff like no, you're not gonna

765
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:57,320
do that, so which you know this could have voices

766
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,320
of descent and stuff, but I would think that a

767
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,840
few of the trees could be thin for the health.

768
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,079
And it is kind of very but it is a

769
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:08,800
very rugged drain. On the side of that, looking towards

770
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,840
the summersos that goes over the rebeat into that really heure, Well,

771
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,760
it just goes right down to which I guess the

772
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,119
river down there. You could see it. But if they

773
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:19,440
opened that up, you could actually watch the summers sunset

774
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,599
over that. That would pretty That's what the ancients were doing,

775
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,079
you know. And it's in I guess the things built

776
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,440
in a meteorite created too. It's made it kind of

777
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:32,559
a special, isn't that cool? Our site, however, has a

778
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:36,760
little different geology. There's a it's all bedrock and we

779
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,679
are the Granite State. That's our nickname. Our hill is

780
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,719
about three hundred and sixty feet above sea level. On

781
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,079
the west side is the Stickett River down in the

782
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:48,559
valley and that runs into the Merrimack. One of the

783
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:52,400
big New England rivers starts up in the up in

784
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,599
New Hampshire and two rivers merge become the Merrimack River

785
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,800
up near Lake just below Lake Winnipesauke above our state capital,

786
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,639
ponk It above that's and the river goes right down

787
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,119
heads kind of south and then it kind of heads

788
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:08,599
east and the Spicott River joins it down in the

789
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,199
town of Lawrence, Massachusetts. So our river is a tributary

790
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,519
of the Picket which goes out to the EA coast

791
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,559
and near newbury Port, mass a beautiful historic town and

792
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:24,599
mass in Amesbury And if you want nice seafood around there,

793
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,480
it's good. And it's right near the ocean. But the

794
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:31,280
river originally went into Boston and geological times that actually

795
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,159
went down into right into the middle of Boston one time,

796
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,119
and that's where the Essex To now was created over

797
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,360
two hundred years ago. On the old east part of

798
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,079
the ancient river bed part of it. They have a

799
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:43,199
museum area. I think it's either I think it's a

800
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:47,079
state historic park. So we're right near a waterway that

801
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,599
was pretty significant and we're on the tributary that on

802
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:52,679
the west. On the east side of us is a

803
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,199
couple other rivers that eventually meander towards the ocean. Two

804
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,440
but the whole hilltop has been split in half by

805
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,199
a we call it an earthquake earthquake fault line, but

806
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,159
most geologists call it a joint to the entire hilltalk

807
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,079
is cracked right in half and it runs east and west.

808
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,639
He goes right through the center of the main site.

809
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,599
You can actually see the crack, and if you go

810
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:17,840
one thousand feet to the west, where a glacial cliff

811
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,440
shelter is overlooking the Sticker River, you can go out

812
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,079
to the cliff and you can see the whole clip

813
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,119
that's split in half too. It's pretty cool. So sometime

814
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:28,800
in the last couple hundred thousand years, I've been told

815
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,840
it's when this took place. It's cracked in a fat

816
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:34,880
pot of the Clinton Newbury fault line that runs from Clinton,

817
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,199
Massachusets the Newbury massa Fusets. It's like a little brand

818
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,800
to that. It's not the main and every time you

819
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,280
have earthquakes, and it's kind of dormant the actual fault,

820
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,199
but every time you have earthquakes here, we have them

821
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,800
all the time. They come up on TV, they'll come

822
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,000
up on the Boston stations. That area there is very

823
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:57,599
sensitive to that, and it's possible the ancient people were

824
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:01,039
tuned into that. I do know that, like Marchia Picio

825
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,559
is built in the fault and they took advantage for

826
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,159
quarrying purposes, but it may have been more even spiritual,

827
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,760
if you have that stresses in the ground and you

828
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,960
have a piece of electric effect or something that can

829
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,639
alter your mind. They say, we've been to Delphi in

830
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Greece and they say there that it's on a fault too,

831
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,559
and if the gases came out in ancient times, they

832
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:24,599
could have had an effect on the oracles, the priestess.

833
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:26,360
We've been, Yeah, we're there in nineteen eighty five and

834
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,320
Delphi that was pretty cool. But also in England there's

835
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,199
like in Wales kind of going into England, there's about

836
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,880
seven or eight hundred stone circles. And Maria, my friend

837
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,760
from England, see, he's really you know, a lot of

838
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,400
knowledge about that. It goes, Yeah, it goes every one

839
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,679
of those and I've read it elsewhere besides her. We

840
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,639
were talking about it though, because yeah, every one of

841
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,559
them are on or next to a fault. Every one

842
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:54,039
of those stone surf, ancient stones, megalithic circles are on

843
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,599
a next to a fault. It does can't be all coincidental,

844
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:58,320
you know, And I'm like, yeah, and we got that

845
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,559
here at our site too. They will be interested in

846
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:02,360
the sea in New England where some of these other

847
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,079
sites are located, if they too are near faults, and

848
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,599
then you have to come up with different theories and ideas.

849
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,599
And it may be something to do with that piez

850
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,199
electric the ball lightning. We just don't know, you know,

851
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,519
but we do know in Delphi the gases may have

852
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,199
emanated and caused we were there, we didn't see any

853
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:20,559
gases with miliony gases, but I guess in a couple

854
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:23,280
thousand years ago that was taking place there, you know.

855
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,559
So the fault line in our hill is just another

856
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:30,719
interesting feature on the site and it kind of parallels

857
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,199
other ancient sites too. But our fite is about almost

858
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,760
one hundred and six acres. There's feats all over it.

859
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,719
My dad got involved. They really focused on the main site,

860
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,559
which is about one acre with that sandling fences. Mister

861
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,760
Goodwin put that fence up, as I mentioned in nineteen

862
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,920
thirty seven. But he also worked on a couple other things,

863
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,239
like the watchhouse, which is a satellite famber. It's about

864
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,079
three or four hundred feet from the main site. He

865
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:58,000
worked he did do work on the watchhouse. He never

866
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:02,320
saw the serpentine, you know, shape of it or anything

867
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,320
like that, and nobody else did for the next eighty years.

868
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,639
We've been sending our visitors by that since nineteen fifty eight,

869
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,519
and nobody saw that. I never saw that. So so

870
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,039
we have been finding a lot of things in the

871
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:24,559
last last ten years or so, including a trapezoidal scape too,

872
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:26,880
and the tapezoidal staate.

873
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: I meant to ask, have any family any artifacts to

874
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,079
show like people actually lived there, Dennis, or was this

875
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,840
like a strictly like ritualistic type place in your guy's opinion.

876
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:43,599
Speaker 4: Well, Doc, that's an excellent question. Yeah, thank you. We

877
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,239
think a site ceremonial. We do not believe it's a

878
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,440
habitat site and for different reasons. The structures, although a

879
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,480
lot of work went into him. He had to quarry

880
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:54,800
the stone off the bedrock, they had to shape and

881
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,159
address it, franceport it. In some cases we find some

882
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,599
flabs still today in Stu the site was never complete.

883
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:05,000
We find thirty We have thirty six flabs all over

884
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,039
the one hundred and six acres that have been detached

885
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,840
from the bedrock, raised with another stone and then they

886
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,559
were doing percussion flaking or dressing the stone, and they

887
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,840
left them there. So the Perkon was found in eighty two,

888
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,920
and the last one was found I would think just

889
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,360
a couple of years ago. We have it in my book.

890
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:25,119
You know, we'll probably find more of these. So a

891
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:28,239
lot of work went into these, including dragging some stones

892
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,760
probably a thousand feet up the hill to build some

893
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,320
of the stonework. In other cases the stones were buoyed

894
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,400
right next to the structure, you know, making it a

895
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,880
lot easier for them too. And some of these stones

896
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,599
weighed fourteen punds. Some of the roof flaps that's the

897
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:45,199
biggest one, about twenty eight thousand pounds, and then they're

898
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:48,519
smaller ones two. But a lot of work went into

899
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:51,039
the structures. They don't yield a lot of volume of

900
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,559
space inside of them, Like the oracle tam is pretty big.

901
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:57,159
It's over twenty seven feet long. It's a long, narrow structure.

902
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,400
But on the east side there's a whole branch of

903
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,400
it that goes almost twenty feet to the east, and

904
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,679
that chamber has five closets. It has a stone bench

905
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,000
feet top ninety degrees into the bedrock, into the rock

906
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:13,440
and there's no indication of any metal tool markings whatsoever.

907
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,960
This on that particular seat, or the roof slabs, the walls, slabs,

908
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,519
and a lot of the other structures have no sign

909
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:27,079
of any metal tool markings. But that chamber has two

910
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:31,639
underground drains. These are parallel stone walls, some of them

911
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,440
the forty five feet long. They parallel each other, maybe

912
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,239
a foot and a half tall, and they put stone

913
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,400
caps on top of the entire length of that, creating

914
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,159
an underground chanel for water to run through. And the

915
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:47,119
oracle chamber happens. They have two of these trains. There's

916
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:50,079
about a dozen of these trains on the main site,

917
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:52,480
so the engineered a whole network of trains to keep

918
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:57,800
the site dry. They built all these stone tambers, but

919
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,639
again they don't look like houses. They don't have much

920
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:03,360
space inside of them. But the Oracle tamp is one

921
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,239
that does have. It actually had two windows. One today

922
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,679
is now an exit because it was damaged so much.

923
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,880
This window where the light could go into became a

924
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,960
bigger and bigger opening because people crawling in there over

925
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,280
the last hundred something years, just natural erosion and damage.

926
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:24,280
And it's an exit and one of them is part

927
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,760
of an eight foot funnel or bed that goes into

928
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,119
the wall. And the thought is this site, this site

929
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,840
was ceremonial, but a priest, a priestess or common could

930
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,079
have been on the site during special times of the

931
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:40,480
year because there's a bed. It has the seat with

932
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:44,760
actually three people can sit on today. It had a

933
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,840
it's simney and the ceiling on the north end of

934
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,440
its structure it had originally, and we have the photographs

935
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:52,440
and they were there. It's the nineteen fifty eight when

936
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,480
we opened. In fifty fifty eight, you were still there

937
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,559
two film movers that could be adjusted to adjustify the

938
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,360
flow of smoke going through it, and we photographed them.

939
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,960
And in nineteen fifty nine we think somebody, we don't

940
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,239
know if it was a visitor or somebody after ours,

941
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,159
stole them and we've never seen the stones. A good

942
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,440
miss a good one actually took them down photographed him

943
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,599
in nineteen thirty something, so those things are missing today.

944
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:20,719
It has calvings of a deer, although it really doesn't

945
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,960
look like a deer. It looks like an ibex with

946
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:27,079
the Western European animal inside the oracle chamber. Maybe you're

947
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:28,760
in a vision for us. Somebody could have left that

948
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,559
calving in the wall. It's not far from that window,

949
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,280
and I'm wondering if the window at one time allowed

950
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,679
some like to enter that it illuminated something inside of it,

951
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,440
like the deer coving. When we did the forestry project,

952
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,000
it did not remove enough trees. You'd have to remove

953
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:48,920
on avenue from that window to the south southeast, probably

954
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,480
about six hundred feet of trees. We did fin it,

955
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:53,880
but we didn't get that, like a whole avenue for

956
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,920
that alignment. Maybe that's something in the future we could do.

957
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,519
There's some big old freeze there and everything, and so

958
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,960
we're in any hurry to remove all the tree. It's restore,

959
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:05,760
you know, but that would be interesting. Maybe we could

960
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,199
stimulate that on computer Sunseeker, the different apps do maybe

961
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,719
I hail the actually found one of our illuminations in

962
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,599
twenty nineteen before the fourth project, and we have the

963
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:21,320
most beautiful illumination inside the watchhouse on the equinox sunrise

964
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,000
on a stone that's quartzite, looks like an egg and

965
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:28,000
that illuminates siding at seven point thirty in the morning

966
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,639
and it's a one hour illumination and actually the sun

967
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,599
and the infant sprain the bottom of the stone exactly

968
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:37,840
the same shape because of the shadow and light and

969
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,239
the way to design the entrance. An hour later it

970
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,079
frames of pop stone and then an ura looks like

971
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,360
a hand pointing at that stone in the back wall.

972
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:47,400
It kind of looks like an egg. We think now

973
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,960
it represents the womb we got the fertilization of the

974
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,079
egg with the sun rays going in it. And in

975
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:57,360
twenty nineteen, which he's visited in the spring, we were

976
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:02,239
still ten months to the forestry project beginning it because

977
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,159
I think, what's to clear the trees out? If you

978
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,239
use your sunseeker up, I think you're going to see

979
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,840
an illumination here in the morning around ninus. You know,

980
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,440
one year later it was open. We saw it. He's

981
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:16,280
back in Texas, I think at that point and I said,

982
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,679
look what we got. It was beautiful. About two years

983
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,920
later I'm standing there talking to a woman in front

984
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,880
of the chance to me. Watched us and said, you know,

985
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,159
we still have about a half an hour before that

986
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,639
illumination begins at eight o'clock at eight thirty, and I said,

987
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:34,440
you want to go down in the building to get warm.

988
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:39,880
Now we have an earlier astronomical sunrise than the Equinoxi.

989
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,360
It's part of the main complex with the alignments. It's

990
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,760
about an eight foot monolith that has fallen, and that's

991
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,400
although it's fallen, we just watch the sunrise over it,

992
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,800
and that's like six something in the morning. And then

993
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,559
we have one near the oracle chamber. We have another

994
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,159
monolist standing there, and that one tourish just a little

995
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:00,480
bit later. So we watched the first one, we go

996
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:03,039
to the next one, and then later we go down

997
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,280
to the watchhouse and walk The sun might actually go

998
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,880
into a structure, you know, probably like Chocoal Canyon with

999
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,199
a sun dagger and all of that. So yes, no, yeah,

1000
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,119
I don't know. I said, well, you know, we can.

1001
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,800
We can hang here if you want. And I turned

1002
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,920
around and looked into the chamber behind me, and what

1003
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,119
I saw at seven thirty, because I never was there

1004
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:23,920
at that time, was that same saddle might was on

1005
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,559
the bottom of the stone. Perfect. I'm like, holy cows.

1006
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:29,280
So I got that picture. I sent that off to

1007
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,800
Haley and some friends, and then at eight o'clock it

1008
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,920
went to the top of the stone, and then at

1009
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,719
eight thirty it did a look like a hand with

1010
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,599
an index finger pointing back. And I thought, as it

1011
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:45,400
represents the you know, fertility, its spring and its egg

1012
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,920
has just been fertilized. And so next to it is

1013
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,840
the the head. The boulder head is part of that

1014
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,880
chamber right next to it, and where you stand is

1015
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,880
actually at the end of the tail. That serpent sailed

1016
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,840
was actually one more stone after it. And we found

1017
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,280
out just two years ago. If you stand perfectly on

1018
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,000
that stone, that's where you're supposed to stand, I think

1019
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,039
to watch the hole illuminate. And we used to stand

1020
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:12,000
next to it and around stuff. I stood on that

1021
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,880
stone which is fit at the end of the pointed tail.

1022
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:18,880
And that brings up another thing too. Some of the

1023
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,760
tails seem to have another stone beyond it. Sometimes not

1024
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,039
all of them, but a few of them have like

1025
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:27,320
stones after it. So you have like a tail. What

1026
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,760
we think now is it might represent rattle, because we've

1027
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,400
seen this repeat itself kind of like you know, over

1028
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,440
and over again. At first, I said, why did they

1029
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,440
be that stone there? You know, they've got a beautiful tail.

1030
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:38,400
Then they left like another stone. I would have cleared

1031
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,039
it out of there. The stone might be two feet

1032
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:43,880
across or whatever. It seems like it was there intentionally.

1033
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:47,039
On the other side of the serpent, on the head side,

1034
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,000
in front of the head some of the heads, I

1035
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:53,719
found a couple other stones, including two long ones in

1036
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,280
front of where the mouth and the nose would be, Like,

1037
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,119
why do they be that there? They should have had

1038
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,320
it cleaner, you know, a little cleaner. And we looked

1039
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,960
at it, and then we found a couple more like that.

1040
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:04,320
I said, I think what looking at is the tongue

1041
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,599
Like one of them looks like a fourth tongue of

1042
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:09,800
two stones coming out. Another one is like one tongue

1043
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,239
coming out. I think they were deliberate. I think it

1044
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,440
was something that they did. The other thing we found

1045
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,280
in some of the serpents, both here and in north

1046
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,480
stone antone eunse where the body will get wider near

1047
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:27,320
the middle, and it could be individual stones that were

1048
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,519
stacked to make it wider. In other cases, like at

1049
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,360
our site, when of ours, it looks like it's a wide,

1050
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:37,079
months wide mouthed serpent, and it looks like it's going

1051
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:41,599
into our swamp, and it has a ninety degree boulder tail,

1052
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,400
and it's on the true north south alignment. The two

1053
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,320
north salt axis that goes through our astronomical center, so

1054
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,320
we used to call it the south Wall siding in

1055
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,639
the nineteen seventies when the astronomical work really took off.

1056
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:56,519
And it goes right through the North Stone, a monolith

1057
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,360
that's looking if you looked up you will see today,

1058
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,440
but four thousand years ago the stout du ban If

1059
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,840
dow Band is part of Draco, the constallationan the Surpent,

1060
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,039
So four thousand years ago and earlier, like even the

1061
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:14,320
Egyptians are looking at that and they have a staff

1062
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,559
pointing towards Draco six hundred years ago maybe depending how

1063
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:20,880
old you think the pyramids are, but Draco would have

1064
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,360
been seen by anybody in the northern Hemisphere, and it

1065
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,639
looks like a big dragon or a serpent. And so

1066
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,880
four thousand years ago that line from our surpent through

1067
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,440
the platform where there it's two pounds for richling, until

1068
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,639
mister Goodwin in the nineteen thirties removed them. Unfortunately, we

1069
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,679
have photographs and it goes right through the North Stone,

1070
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,079
which is a beautiful monolith, and above it is you know,

1071
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,400
flowers or dew band. As you go back in time,

1072
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,760
so right in the middle of that that south wall,

1073
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,159
as I mentioned now, we looks like a serpent heading

1074
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:54,719
to the swamp with a big wide mouth. There's a

1075
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,119
big glacial boulder. And what we think after seeing that

1076
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,559
at other sites and at our site in a couple

1077
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:05,000
of the other serpents, is it represents either an egg

1078
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:09,079
or it represents they ate it to prey. And so

1079
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,559
you know, there's a lot of features we keep discovering,

1080
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,480
and one of them in Connecticut, actually, of the four hundred,

1081
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,159
there might be more than one, looks like it's setting

1082
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,400
its skin. You know, serpents they get rid of their

1083
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,840
skin each here there's a name for that. Well, they

1084
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,920
actually looks like the stone work makes it look like

1085
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,280
the skins coming off the wall going through that yearly cycle.

1086
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,000
So they get it in stone to make lipsych How

1087
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,039
more obvious can it be that these aren't farmers walls,

1088
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:44,519
you know? And that's just some people spoke much.

1089
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 3: Built serpentry and dragon stuff with the Phoenicians, you know,

1090
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,840
like on their ships and stuff like that. And I

1091
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,800
know anything against Mary Fayle had had confirmed that stone

1092
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,880
that chins fans. I would like for you to touch

1093
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,519
on that while I got you today, but with that stone.

1094
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:06,079
Did you find any kind of astronomical alignments with May

1095
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:08,480
the first, which is baill Taine, which was, you know,

1096
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,880
a very common celebrated day of the Phoenicians. I was

1097
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,559
just wondering because Fritz Zimmerman had found one of the

1098
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,559
I think it was a new Ark hinge. Was the

1099
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:21,559
opening the doorway was lined up perfectly to the sunrise

1100
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:24,119
on May first, which was Beltane.

1101
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:27,559
Speaker 4: Oh In? Which site? Was Fritz? That was that the Newark,

1102
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,199
Ohio site? Or was it a different one? Oh? We

1103
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,119
been of that with Yeah, okay, cause we did visit

1104
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:37,039
the Newark and I know the golf course is going

1105
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,599
to get removed. They're going to relocate the golf course

1106
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:41,719
and open up that part of it too. While we

1107
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,039
were there. There were just two years ago they were

1108
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:47,599
going to make it a UNESCO World Heritage Site, along

1109
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:49,800
with the Serpent Mound, which is an hour or two

1110
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,880
south of there, in the Chillahaukeee Mounds. You know, we

1111
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:55,679
visited those. In the Site Mound, we visited it too.

1112
00:56:56,679 --> 00:57:00,559
That's exciting about what Fritz mentions there. I can't remember

1113
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:03,119
if I heard him say that before, but he's been

1114
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:04,639
at our site. You know, we spent a lot of

1115
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:05,239
time with Frids.

1116
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just observed it, I think last year, so.

1117
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 4: We wouldn't have known it when I found lasted six

1118
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,960
years ago, so we definitely didn't know that. That's interesting.

1119
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:17,280
But we were at the New Mounds and twenty twenty

1120
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:19,400
did we go there? I think it was either I

1121
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,119
think it was twenty twenty three. We were at the

1122
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:23,599
New York Mounts in the site and we took them

1123
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:25,199
all in. You know, we went to the Edawa Mountains

1124
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:28,719
in Georgia. Yeah, we do have we have the four

1125
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,880
seasons Summer went to spring and fell. We also have

1126
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,320
the cross quarter days and the cross quarter days. One

1127
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,079
of them would be the Bell Taine or the May

1128
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:41,400
Day alignment, and that's still in. There is a almost

1129
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,880
an eight foot triangular monolith that has actually fallen over

1130
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,599
on our site. And I know LA Missouri was quite

1131
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:56,440
interested in having his archaeologists and feelers and Missouri that

1132
00:57:56,599 --> 00:58:01,480
Saint Louis, but probably more towards kind of thing. I

1133
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:05,159
think Springfield, I think Missouri. I think I was because

1134
00:58:05,159 --> 00:58:08,360
I used to overnight down there. I do Saint Louis

1135
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,119
and then with America and we go and do a

1136
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:12,840
fo cop down to Uh you could kind of see

1137
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,880
where Branson was down the road. We were above that,

1138
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:18,960
but uh, he was in that area and he was

1139
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:22,679
really fascinated by the Beltaine and they want to do

1140
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,440
kind of an excavation around it at some point. I'm

1141
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,559
not sure. Elie seemed to put off some of his

1142
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,320
travels more recently. He's probably going to get back into it,

1143
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,280
but he was, Hey, it's paying attention to some other things,

1144
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,840
he told me, rather being on the road in lectures

1145
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,920
and stuff. He does some of them too. Yeah, but

1146
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,199
he wanted to do something, and maybe it was catch

1147
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,599
up stuff at home or something, but he didn't want

1148
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:45,280
to do something in Ireland, but he also wanted to

1149
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,159
come to our site, and the Beltane was one of

1150
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:50,320
the big things that they wanted to do. I mentioned

1151
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,239
possibly whenever that stone fell over, it actually formed kind

1152
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:56,679
of a time past though of the direct below it.

1153
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,719
It stopped the light and the OSL dating I mentioned

1154
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,159
could be possibly used on that to see at least

1155
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:06,039
when it fell over. You know, that's the stone that

1156
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:08,920
I would look a little earthquake there. That's the stone

1157
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,840
that I actually would like to see possibly excavated. We

1158
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,320
don't want to rebuild the site so much in the

1159
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,280
Old Asi. There's a lot of rebuilding around the world

1160
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,400
of these ancient sites. Say like they do prevent it

1161
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,880
to maintenance, maintenance and stuff like that. But in some cases,

1162
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:26,199
if you know where the stone exactly stood, that's a possibility.

1163
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,199
You know, you're talking among your researchers and everything to say, yeah,

1164
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:31,199
I think we'd like to stand that up. Will document

1165
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,440
it very capfully and now you can see what you know,

1166
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,400
what it looked. You could actually observe the sun rising

1167
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,280
over it, which would be amazing. Again, they did that

1168
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,519
at Stonehengs. You know, I got pictures of frames there

1169
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:41,960
years ago doing Stone Hens.

1170
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: With the price of eggs and bread slowly approaching a

1171
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,840
day's wages, it's more important than ever than to secure

1172
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,280
the value of your dollar. One thing that has remained

1173
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,239
steady is gold and silver throughout the ages. Back in

1174
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,679
Rome and time, a piece of gold would get you

1175
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:06,599
a toga that's the equivalent of three thousand dollars today.

1176
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,440
That still remains true to this day. For a full suit, shoes, tie,

1177
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:16,119
you're looking at about three thousand dollars. Because gold and

1178
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:20,440
silver holds its value. So if you're tired of watching

1179
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,719
the value of your dollar go down every single day.

1180
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,719
It's time to get off your hands and make a move.

1181
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:33,079
I've recently teamed with Cornerstone Asset Metals. Reach out to

1182
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:36,639
those guys for all of your financial needs. It's time

1183
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:41,559
to trade in that forever devaluing dollar into hard assets

1184
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:44,480
that you can hold like gold and silver. Be sure

1185
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,440
and check the link down in the description or the

1186
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:49,880
number on the screen, and hey tell them, Doc Brown said, you.

1187
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,079
Speaker 4: So we do. We have bell T and we have

1188
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:58,480
the sunset for that in the sunrise, and we also

1189
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:01,840
have the bell T stone that's standing up in our

1190
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:04,400
in our visitors center. So when you come up and

1191
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,280
visit us, when you walk in, you'll see my diarragmer

1192
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,639
that I built in college. It's about thirty acres or

1193
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:12,800
one hundred and six acres. It's the ectronomical alignments. We

1194
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,880
added more recently the serpentine walls. We've got some of

1195
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,760
them because some of them are off the thirty acres,

1196
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,000
and we added some of the windows. Some of the

1197
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:21,760
ones that are on the thirty acre are some of

1198
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,159
the ones outside. I can't put them on my diaragm

1199
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,840
or it doesn't cover the whole hilt up. But on

1200
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,519
your left you'll see a standing stone and it's about

1201
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:31,800
seven feet tall. It's got a little cup toulttle on

1202
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,360
top of it, and it's so much like other monoliths

1203
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:39,599
that stand at our site and elsewhere in New England too,

1204
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:43,880
but particularly Vumont has something like eleven hundred monoliths and

1205
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,280
just the state of Themont, plus chambers and all of that,

1206
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:49,960
just it's loaded. But this monolith was actually found in

1207
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,320
seventy five. They're in a time that Barry Fell with

1208
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,360
began investigating our site. Who birth visited us? I think,

1209
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,159
and I'm gon say, may I have it in the

1210
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:01,079
book the actual day he visited us and they came

1211
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:03,719
back with George Potter from Texas A and M University

1212
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:09,280
out of Texas with his wife Alberta, and Barry Fell's

1213
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,880
wife was named Renee, and they lived in Arlington. Math

1214
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:15,280
originally from New Zealand, with the school in Edinburgh in Vertebrae,

1215
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,239
Marine Duallody taught at Hobbed for a couple decades. Toward

1216
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,159
the end of his life he ended up in San Diego,

1217
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,239
but he had written America BC in seventy sixth, which

1218
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,360
I think you mentioned good though he updated that around

1219
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,559
nineteen eighty nine. He talked to me on the phone

1220
01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:32,119
just before he passed away in nineteen ninety four. He

1221
01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:34,039
gave me a call from San Diego, and I think

1222
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:36,559
he just wanted to see if we had any additional

1223
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:39,159
new things. At that point, I didn't have serpent walls

1224
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,840
or windows of trapezolia shape. They'll offer him back then.

1225
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,320
And then he passed away in ninety four right after that,

1226
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:48,800
but he came in coming to our site, and then

1227
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,079
he began of course going all over New England and beyond,

1228
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:54,639
you know, all the way out to the west coast

1229
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:58,400
South America and all of that, because he's doing comparative archaeology,

1230
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:03,880
particularly with the scriptions, you know, and so that's the

1231
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:06,559
that the inscriptions really got involved. But one of that

1232
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,480
that stone I mentioned that was in our museum standing

1233
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:12,039
up today has inscriptions on the side of it that

1234
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:17,199
he identified as around the time of Caesar, I think.

1235
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:22,199
And what he says, it's Roman numerals. Ye, that's probably

1236
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,000
like the original copy too, you know. And then he

1237
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,079
updated to cover up a couple of times. You know,

1238
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:30,239
we fild that in our museum for decades, very controversial,

1239
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:34,239
raised a lot of eyebrows in the academic community, a

1240
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:39,360
lot of pushback by them, and that's another statement of pushback. Uh.

1241
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,960
And even today it is some of that's quite a

1242
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,639
bit of that's still out there. But he got people

1243
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:48,679
thinking about these mockings that I found all over North America,

1244
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,000
South America and at our site. You know. The first

1245
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:57,400
thing was the Deer Coving, actually by Malcolm Pearson, and

1246
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,440
he's the bay. My dad actually ended up buying the

1247
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:03,199
site from eventually when Goodwin owned the site from thirty

1248
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,719
seventh to nineteen fifty and he was very sick in

1249
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,880
the late forties, Goodwin wrote up. He wrote four books,

1250
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:11,320
including The Ruins of Great Island in New England, which

1251
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,920
included our site in sixteen other sites. In nineteen forty

1252
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,800
six they knew of sixteen sites in the northeast and

1253
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,440
again today it's over eight hundred. But then he wrote

1254
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,400
The Truth about Leif Erickson before that and The Lure

1255
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,480
of Gold, and he wrote the fourth book, I always

1256
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:32,320
forget what it was goodwe was a really interesting gentleman.

1257
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:35,480
But at the end of his life Malcolm Pearson helped

1258
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:37,840
him finish the book and Malcolm's the actually the guy

1259
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,920
that told them about our site nineteen thirty six as

1260
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,559
a reward for all of Malcolm's help with Goodwin, and

1261
01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:48,159
he did a lot, particularly during World War two gas

1262
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,719
was ration. They were having a hard time getting around

1263
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,920
you had gas cards and all. But so Malcolm really

1264
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:58,320
really helped out Goodwin's quite a bit, and Goodwin was

1265
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,079
so thankful that he gave him the site as in

1266
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:06,440
his when he passed away nineteen fifties, and Malcolm loved

1267
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,880
the site. He lived in mass ex Musics. Today he

1268
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,480
probably could be where he lived in an hour an

1269
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:14,880
hour and a half away. Back in those days, there

1270
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,880
were no interstates, so it took him out quite a

1271
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,280
while to get up to our property. So he wasn't

1272
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,119
always up here all the time keeping an eye on

1273
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:24,440
it from vandalism from people that actually liked the site

1274
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:26,360
or would be walking all over it, you know. Just

1275
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,880
it wasn't really protected the way he wanted. Even though

1276
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,039
the change fences there, people still fined under it like

1277
01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:37,800
my dad did eventually all around it and everything. And

1278
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,119
so he actually offered it to the State of New

1279
01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:43,000
Hampshire back in the early fifties and we have all

1280
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:46,000
that paperwork. The State of New Hampshire up and Conker.

1281
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,800
They were going back and forth. Eventually, after I guess

1282
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,199
about two years of talking, the state decided they were

1283
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,239
not interested in this site. And he's the guy that

1284
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,239
my dad met in nineteen fifty five after the radio show.

1285
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:03,480
And Malcolm's family at the same time owned the up

1286
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:05,920
in Faber. We've been talked about that igloo shape up

1287
01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:08,519
in Faber that's aligned with the plates and I believe

1288
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:11,199
it's the winter sofis that looks like a big, gigantic igloo.

1289
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,159
His family bought that property and one hundred years ago

1290
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,920
and Malcolm was sixteen and the owner said, young man

1291
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:20,559
is a root seller or a seller out in the

1292
01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:22,880
back have you seen it? And Malcolm w you know,

1293
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,760
And that's what got Malcolm involved with this and he

1294
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,599
died just after my dad. I think Malcolm died in

1295
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:31,719
two thousand and ten at one hundred years old. His

1296
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,679
past and always was his stuff too, and he helps

1297
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,239
out the early Sites foundations in the nineteen sixty four

1298
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,800
a research nonprofit group. That group ran for ten years

1299
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,440
and it dissolved in late sixty three. Some of the

1300
01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:47,320
members passed away a few more from from Dartmouth College,

1301
01:06:48,639 --> 01:06:51,920
Meldenworth Sduffinson. I think the Great Naotic Explorer is one

1302
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,440
of the founding members and in so many other interesting

1303
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,119
people that were part of the original group called Early

1304
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:01,559
Sites Foundation. The RAND ten years dissolved. I guess my

1305
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,360
dad at ac and P he had a really bad

1306
01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:08,480
car accident, was in the hospital for months during that

1307
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:12,119
time when the group, that group folded and my dad

1308
01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:14,800
I think talking to my uncle Oz and other people,

1309
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,800
other people involved with our site. So we need a

1310
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,280
nonprofit organization and that's when they're a New England Antiquities

1311
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,880
Research Association with form and it's still going today. In fact,

1312
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,559
they just had that spring meeting just two weeks ago.

1313
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:32,480
They have a spring and fall meeting. So Malcolm, yeah,

1314
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:34,519
Malcolm was a guy my dad leached the site from

1315
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:37,320
and all of that, but his family owned the Upton

1316
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,039
Chamber up to nineteen seventy and my dad actually leased

1317
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:44,239
the site to sixty five. Well he raised enough capital

1318
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,360
to actually purchase the twenty acres of the site, so

1319
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:51,840
in sixty five Malcolm's family owned the Upton Chamber and

1320
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,239
then he owned the site because of the he was

1321
01:07:55,320 --> 01:08:00,320
willed it by William Goodwin, you know, so it's kind

1322
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,719
of how my dad got involved in how the whole

1323
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,519
property thing was, you know, and today my dad fortunately

1324
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,960
was I'm glad he did it. He actually bought the

1325
01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:12,960
whole hill and actually pot up another hill. And that's

1326
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,760
we're finding so many of these things because way back

1327
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,079
when people say, well it's a sight, the watchhouse, the

1328
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:19,840
the lower well, and a couple other and that's it,

1329
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,600
you know, No, these things are all over the entire hill.

1330
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,000
And if he hadn't done that, we probably have like

1331
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,640
thirty acres and there could be homes sitting up on

1332
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,000
the winter solfice today. So that thought really kind of scary,

1333
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:34,800
you know, because this whole area is developed, and our

1334
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,800
house abuts the property too. Were on the side of

1335
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,920
the hill on a cold des set, and we're next

1336
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,600
to one of the walls that has the windows and

1337
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,079
has one of the monoliths in it. So when I'm

1338
01:08:46,119 --> 01:08:47,479
looking out my back door, I can see one of

1339
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,600
the standing monolists, and that one's about seven and a

1340
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,479
half feet tall. It looks like one of the ones

1341
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,760
in the building we have, like the one in the building.

1342
01:08:53,479 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: Come and that stone that they had found. People was

1343
01:09:01,039 --> 01:09:03,520
kind of inconclusive about what it was. But Barry Fail

1344
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,199
when he looked at it, he said it he thought

1345
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:11,760
it was what was it Phoenician or Indo Phoenician or

1346
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,840
something like that, but he thought that it said basically,

1347
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,479
we the Phoenicians dedicate this site to Bail And I'm

1348
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,439
paraphrasing there, but it was something like that.

1349
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,399
Speaker 4: Is that right? Yeah, that's right, Yeah, that's right. I

1350
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,680
got a little sidetracked in that. And Malcolm was there

1351
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,520
during the Barryfell era too, and so in the sixties

1352
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,119
those stones were found and put on display, and I'm

1353
01:09:34,119 --> 01:09:37,520
building his unknown mockings, you know. Sixty seven one of

1354
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,479
them was found, and then sixty nine two more found,

1355
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,920
including the ballstone that you mentioned, dedicated to ball would

1356
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,600
be half of the Canaanites. But in seventy five, when

1357
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,880
Barry Fell came up, James Whittall, one of our researchers,

1358
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,399
actually brought him to our site. I remember seeing. I

1359
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,199
still have a vision of him being there, and it

1360
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:57,760
was kind of exciting having a hobby professor. It was

1361
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,359
still unusual for our site. You know, we don't have

1362
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,600
anybody from mainstream coming up to our site, and I

1363
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,920
remember them walking by our visitor center and they're taking

1364
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,079
him up to show them the site and also to

1365
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:12,520
show them eventually the stone inscriptions which were in display,

1366
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,159
and so he took them back to Islington, mass excusets

1367
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:19,399
and he made plaster cast. He did a lot of

1368
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,520
the making. He would use like aluminum foil and then

1369
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,239
he would put a late sometimes he used latex to

1370
01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:27,800
the use latex or aluminum and then they would make

1371
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,800
a mold out of that on a plaster of Paris,

1372
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,880
you know. And we have we have them hanging out

1373
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,119
building today. And my parents visited he and his wife,

1374
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:37,920
re An, a doctor, Barry Fell's wife, at their home

1375
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,000
in Islington, Mass excuse it the number of quite a

1376
01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:43,239
three times, you know. And then Barry Fell started finding

1377
01:10:43,319 --> 01:10:46,000
that these the wine is loaded with inscriptions. It has

1378
01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:48,960
probably the most inscriptions of anywhere in the Northeast, you know,

1379
01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:52,840
up in Woodstock, Vermont, Putney, Pultney, the Woodstock townd to one.

1380
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,479
I mean, they the inscriptions are amazing. But what are

1381
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,840
you identified at our site with three types of inscriptions?

1382
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,920
And the one that you mentioned was he pulled me

1383
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:04,479
was Iberian Punic, so was Nistan. The Romans referra to

1384
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,840
the Phoenicians as Punic or Punic I'm probably mispronouncing it.

1385
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,640
The Greeks called them the phinnik Ike. That's the best

1386
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,359
pronounced the eighth and I can say so. The Phoenicians

1387
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:18,119
were well known by the Egyptians. I mean they were

1388
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,119
a maritime power on the east coast of the Mediterranean.

1389
01:11:22,199 --> 01:11:23,960
They think they came out of the Red Sea area,

1390
01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:26,680
perhaps of the Persian Gulf originally, and they became a

1391
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,159
sea coast Nathan about one hundred and twenty miles in length,

1392
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:37,520
and they rooted sidon with some of the other Phoenicians,

1393
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:43,000
very very famous cities. Tyrus, it might pronounce it Tyros,

1394
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:47,880
a little tire here, yes here, you're right, and it

1395
01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:50,039
there's so many and Bli boats have to it was

1396
01:11:50,079 --> 01:11:54,319
when they're called blaeboat. Anyway, they eventually migrate across the Mediterranean.

1397
01:11:54,359 --> 01:11:57,000
They actually went out. They weren't just along the coast anymore.

1398
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,199
They had boats going further, and then ships going across,

1399
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:05,600
setting fifty colonies up, including cottage eventually, and then he

1400
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,560
did the trading cities all around the Mediterranean, you know,

1401
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,840
and they became a huge maritime trading culture. And then

1402
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,479
I think Hanno brought out thirty thousand Pathaginians out to

1403
01:12:17,119 --> 01:12:21,279
the west coast of Africa. They set up seven trading

1404
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:24,159
colonies and I believe as they went up to England

1405
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,600
and they'll bring him back all sorts of different types

1406
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,479
of trade items including UH from England would be UH

1407
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:34,199
from Fawnwall. Here would be the bron the U. So

1408
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:37,640
you need copper and you need to make bronz. You

1409
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,479
eat ten and they think you're bringing fin back from Kunwall.

1410
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,800
I had a guy from Lebanon, he would be in

1411
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,560
fact I who was the guy from Lebanon too. This

1412
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,840
guy was a Christian leban He was a captain at

1413
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,279
a rown, so I didn't really fly with him, but

1414
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:52,800
he was and I talked a little bit about his

1415
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,079
his ancest free and the Phoenicians, and he was interested

1416
01:12:57,159 --> 01:12:59,880
in that, you know. But he moved out of Lebanon.

1417
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,439
In fact, his family was almost prospected because they're Christian

1418
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,199
Liban and when he was one of our captains. But

1419
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,880
I talked to another visitor site it's totally separate person

1420
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,560
that was from there too, and he goes well in

1421
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,520
our language. Britain means the land of tin, you know,

1422
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,760
and that would have been a source. Get tin makes

1423
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,920
it with coffee, you make your bronze age. Bronze Age

1424
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:18,720
was huge, you know.

1425
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 5: So.

1426
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: But in the Iberian Peninsula, the Phoenicians were there.

1427
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:27,239
Speaker 4: One of the cities was called costco Nova, I believe

1428
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:31,479
it was called. They're also in Engage or what is

1429
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,600
called U looks like it is. It's Caddy on the

1430
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,640
west coast and through the school stripped back in seventy three,

1431
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,560
our high school went to Spain and we were right

1432
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,840
down by Gibraltar, right near Caddy. I don't think we

1433
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,640
get into the city of Caddies right there. That was

1434
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,760
a Phenician city. They had several different Tanisian cities there.

1435
01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:53,880
But Barry Felsay is the type of style of Venisian

1436
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,760
that we have is Iberian Phoenician. It came specifically from there.

1437
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,680
And he describes why it's different than if you were

1438
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,159
entire or back in the Phoenician posts, you know why

1439
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:06,159
it's different or any other place around there. And then

1440
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,239
he looked at some of the other mockings we had

1441
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:10,720
and he says, well, you have what we used to

1442
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:15,079
say ogam is olam, which is Celtic olm or ogam.

1443
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,920
He goes, that was also the celt'ar in Fain and

1444
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:23,439
Portugal too. He goes, the style that you have is

1445
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,760
from that region Ciuth. So you have the ogam or oham,

1446
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:30,960
you have the bunick, which he says from there. And

1447
01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:32,840
the other one he said was you have Libyan, and

1448
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,760
we know Libyan's on the northern coast of Africa from Libya,

1449
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:39,000
but they were also in Spain too, So he said

1450
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:44,720
they were multi lingual cultures and he believes they kind

1451
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,920
of assimilated somewhat intermarried and they would be multi lingual

1452
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:52,520
speaking different language. And then there they launched off to

1453
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,720
the New World, whether it was South America or Central

1454
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,800
or North America. And he said Plumpus jumped off that

1455
01:14:57,039 --> 01:14:59,920
same from right there too to head to the New World,

1456
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:03,119
you know, Christopher Clumbus did. So he said that you

1457
01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:06,880
have Benisan living in Celtic mockings at your site, and

1458
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,720
then in America. Bas you'll see that it's not just

1459
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,920
at our site, it's all over New England, it's into

1460
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,119
New York. It goes even up to like a birder

1461
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,279
on the milk. I think it's a milk river Old

1462
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:20,520
Woman's found up there, and the other types are found

1463
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,680
even out to the West coast and in South America,

1464
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:28,000
like the pair of heavestone in Brazil found by slaves

1465
01:15:28,039 --> 01:15:31,159
in eighteen seventy two. They brought it to the attention

1466
01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:35,359
of some people, it was not really followed up until

1467
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,279
I think Cyrus Gordon looked at it in the last

1468
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:41,560
fifty years. I guess I think Cyrus Boydon he was

1469
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,279
one of these tiger Firs. He was familiar with Nearer

1470
01:15:44,399 --> 01:15:47,520
or a member of Nearer too, and he looked at it, said,

1471
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,000
O Benethians Us, you know if I got that correct,

1472
01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:54,239
that story, But that's found in South America, both of

1473
01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:57,199
the it's like three thousand stones with mockings found in

1474
01:15:57,319 --> 01:16:00,279
South America in about three thousand in North America. Could

1475
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:02,840
that do not seem to be Native American or indigenous?

1476
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,159
They seem to be Old World script emetics ven Ethians.

1477
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:09,399
They being kilted that kind of thing. Even in Tennessee,

1478
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,359
the bat the bad Creek, bad thing that that's pretty interesting,

1479
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:14,920
but it's remember all the details. They just read the

1480
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,760
whole thing about two months ago about it. They did

1481
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,039
some commendating so some wood they found it seems to

1482
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:25,000
be Hebrew. I think, I think, I think in the

1483
01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:27,479
Hebrew or as part of the Semitic the Phoenicians were

1484
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,600
intermingled with the Hebrew, you know, the the U with

1485
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,199
the uh. We're trying to say, with the people of

1486
01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:38,760
that whole region. Yeah where yeah, yeah, because they're.

1487
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,520
Speaker 3: Doing DNA testing and showed their migration, you know, from

1488
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,680
the Levant and out into Europe. And then like you said,

1489
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,359
they were such a emmerciant class seafaring people. They were

1490
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,920
constantly traveling, intermingling with other people and trading with other people.

1491
01:16:55,079 --> 01:16:57,319
So they they had to speak the language, you know,

1492
01:16:58,079 --> 01:16:58,399
and they.

1493
01:16:58,359 --> 01:17:01,159
Speaker 4: Spent they spread their alphabet. That's when they said, apparently

1494
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,520
borrowed hieroglyphics from the Egyptians, which there were many. They

1495
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,600
only I think they borrowed twenty two. For the original.

1496
01:17:07,119 --> 01:17:10,560
It was basically without vowels. It was like even the

1497
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,600
Ogam we have did not have vowels, just olgam. Concert

1498
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:18,039
was an earlier version of Ogum or Old Barry Fell says,

1499
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:20,760
and it could be found not only in Ireland, in Scotland,

1500
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,079
but it's found you know, in the western part of

1501
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:25,439
Europe right down into Spain, you know, and it's found

1502
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,000
over here, but it's an earlier version. It's almost like

1503
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:31,760
a proto ogum. It's like without the vowels. Later on

1504
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,479
they brought the vowels in there, I guess. And the

1505
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,359
Phoenician was also just caught. There was no vowels, you know,

1506
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:42,439
with twenty two letters. But yeah, the Phoenician alphabets basically

1507
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,079
the Latin alphabet we have today. The Greeks adapted it

1508
01:17:46,359 --> 01:17:48,960
and they modified it, added things to it, turned some

1509
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:52,399
of the letters. The Hebrews did the same thing. They

1510
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,439
adapted it, they used it, they changed it. But I

1511
01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:01,479
think the grand how their language alphabet is the Phoenique

1512
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,600
and alphabet you know, of everything we used today, you know.

1513
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,239
And uh, they were known as the people of the

1514
01:18:07,319 --> 01:18:10,920
purple cloth too, and that's where the word phoinique, ike

1515
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:13,479
and punda come from. Apparely, they would take those little

1516
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,880
deep those sea fills, the uh, little snails, and they'd

1517
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,319
extract the die and some of the some of the

1518
01:18:22,399 --> 01:18:25,119
merchants became so wealthy because this dye was worth more

1519
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:27,880
than gold. I guess. Some of them had their fails

1520
01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:31,119
in purple, and so it became almost a royal color

1521
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:33,560
because of the expense of it. I mean we're talking

1522
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,560
over two thousand something years ago, you know, and at

1523
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:37,640
Purple today.

1524
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,119
Speaker 3: Found at tire and they would even use that stuff

1525
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:42,119
to make psychedelics with. So I mean it was a

1526
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:43,479
two double edged sword there.

1527
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,239
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I hadn't heard that that that makes sense too, yes,

1528
01:18:48,119 --> 01:18:50,720
but we know they treated you know, the king Solomon's

1529
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:58,039
temple was uh, King King the MOS's name, yeah, hied

1530
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:01,760
King Hiram a few down, hire him a bip and

1531
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:06,479
he became you know, creating the over three thousand years ago,

1532
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:10,000
creating that in Solomon's temple. So they actually brought enough

1533
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:11,840
Venisan to do the work for him, you know, So

1534
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,479
the Phoenicians and then the seed is Elebanon going down

1535
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,239
to Egypt. Big train going on with Egypt too, you know.

1536
01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:21,159
But the question is that they they went outside the

1537
01:19:21,359 --> 01:19:25,680
gates with griperaltar and then they went into Africa. You know,

1538
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,520
let's say they made it into Western Europe too, you know,

1539
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,840
and getting finn and stuff like that. Did they make

1540
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,439
it across to the America's mainstream doesn't like that idea,

1541
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,359
you know, it doesn't fit well with them, and They

1542
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,439
used to say the Vikings never even came here, and

1543
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,960
then in nineteen sixty they found enough evidence at Lonto

1544
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:43,920
Meadow they so yes, they did come over here. Well.

1545
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,640
Samuel Elliott Morrison, the great naval historian who wrote Admiral

1546
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:52,039
to the Europe Admiral of the was it Admiral the

1547
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,560
I don't have it sleeply? He wrote Admiral of the

1548
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,680
Ocean Sea, also the European Discovery of America from Hobby

1549
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,000
Uni Diversity. He had a running battle with good One,

1550
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:04,600
you know, because good One's whole thing was that the

1551
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:10,800
site was it's not historic, it's it's ancient. Is initial

1552
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,520
thought was it was Viking because the friend from from

1553
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:20,520
Seattle or the Franwell was the great ruined export. Well,

1554
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,600
the thing is he saw biking, riding and everything. I

1555
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,680
think he went a little too far. So he got

1556
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,199
himself fought up in that, you know, a lot of criticism.

1557
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,039
But I think some of his work was probably good,

1558
01:20:31,119 --> 01:20:32,800
you know, but he's the one that told good One

1559
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,439
about some of the stone structures like in Hopkins in

1560
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,920
or acting or you know, the Upton Chamber, because you

1561
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,520
got to check him out back home, you know, because

1562
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,399
Goodwin had retired from the insurance business, you know, and

1563
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,479
he made it back to Hartford to live there, and

1564
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,640
so certainly enough to get out there and started seeing

1565
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,199
some of these sites and everything. And Goodwin's thought was, well,

1566
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,960
maybe the Vikings built this and then throwing it. And

1567
01:20:53,039 --> 01:20:54,680
he bought our site in thirty seven, and as he

1568
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,760
did more work, he's like, Vikings did not live in

1569
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,359
stone structors the US stone of course, you know, and

1570
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,159
some of the ruins are on stone and some of

1571
01:21:02,199 --> 01:21:05,479
their monuments. But they had then saw it houses, planets,

1572
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,239
you know, the sund look like a Viking settlement. And

1573
01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:11,359
again he knew of about sixteen. His idea fifted quickly

1574
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:15,000
to the Irish called the monks escaping Viking persecution. And

1575
01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:18,640
there are legends up in Iceland and Greenland that kind

1576
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,000
of thing about before the Vikings got in there, that

1577
01:21:21,079 --> 01:21:24,880
there were robed men with white robes on before and

1578
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,560
when they finally made it over in one of the

1579
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,680
sagas to possibly where Newfoundland is, you know, where the

1580
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,439
Lonzo Meadow is, and maybe a couple other sites, they

1581
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,840
saw white robed men. It's in one of the sagas.

1582
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,239
It's like they were already here you know, so it's

1583
01:21:37,319 --> 01:21:40,079
possible the Irish called the monks who were sea sharing

1584
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:44,000
and they did travel and going back to Saint Brendan

1585
01:21:44,079 --> 01:21:46,840
the navigator in the sixth century, you know, taking off

1586
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,279
that whole legend about Saint Brennan across in the ocean.

1587
01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:51,840
You know, so it's possible the Iris called the monks,

1588
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,640
and that's a good one. Basically thought until his dying day,

1589
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,039
and he wrote The Ruins the Great Island in New England,

1590
01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:01,159
that book on us in forty six, and then he wrote,

1591
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,159
like I say, three other books. But his idea was

1592
01:22:03,279 --> 01:22:05,640
our site was a monastery and it was about a

1593
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,520
thousand years old. It was a place where they lived.

1594
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,399
And again you brought up a living thing. We don't

1595
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,199
think the site was a living thing. I mean, somebody

1596
01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:16,279
could spend some time near during solfice and equinoxes, maybe

1597
01:22:16,359 --> 01:22:18,800
other special events, maybe May Day, that kind of the

1598
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,119
cross border day thing, maybe other celebrations that we have

1599
01:22:22,279 --> 01:22:25,119
no clue that they celebrated, or even weddings or deaths

1600
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:27,239
or something like that. Other than that, I think the

1601
01:22:27,319 --> 01:22:30,279
site was probably like a church. It was kept clean,

1602
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,840
pretty pristine. One of the Megalythics sites in Europe too.

1603
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,239
Almost every one of the more Tune's temples and monuments,

1604
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,720
to the best of our knowledge, but they weren't where

1605
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,800
people lived. You'd find their refuge, even if a lot

1606
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,159
of it would decompose anything organic. But if you had stone, fools,

1607
01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:51,319
you had pottery, you know, ceramics, you can still find

1608
01:22:51,359 --> 01:22:54,159
the quantity at these megalythics sites, and that makes it

1609
01:22:54,319 --> 01:22:57,279
very frustrating for archaeologists. You have a site, you don't

1610
01:22:57,359 --> 01:23:00,119
have all the refuge, you don't find the midden for

1611
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:02,880
the tract is. We like that, you know, the archaeologist

1612
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,880
love that stuff. It tells a whole story, and when

1613
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,079
it's not there, it's like, where do they live? We

1614
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:08,640
want to find where they lived. Then we can find

1615
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,000
some of the tools, utensils, weapons, you know, maybe we

1616
01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:13,279
can find where the house once stood, even if it's

1617
01:23:13,319 --> 01:23:15,000
just the post molds and know all that kind of thing.

1618
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:19,239
So the fifty thousand megalithic sites in Western Europe roughly,

1619
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:23,800
I think Scare Bray up in New York is one

1620
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,479
of the habitat sites that survived today. And the reason

1621
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,000
they built it out of stone up there, they just

1622
01:23:28,079 --> 01:23:30,079
didn't have the wood up there it's a very barren era.

1623
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,960
And Fara Bray is amazing. I think it was uncovered

1624
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,319
in the eighteen hundreds by a storm, and it had

1625
01:23:35,399 --> 01:23:38,399
originally been covered over by a storm thousands of years

1626
01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:40,399
ago and it kept as a time capital. When you

1627
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,239
look at Scara Bray, you'll see, oh, I'll look like

1628
01:23:42,279 --> 01:23:44,199
America's stone Hens, you know, we have that. I haven't

1629
01:23:44,199 --> 01:23:45,880
been to Scarabray. I've been to Scotland, but I've never

1630
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,479
been to that any but the piltrees it looked a

1631
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,039
little bit like our site. But it's really a living site,

1632
01:23:51,399 --> 01:23:54,000
you know. It is a Habitat Meije, how which is

1633
01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:57,880
down the street a little ways, was actually the ceremonial burial,

1634
01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:01,520
you know, the monument kind of thing. But Maye, how

1635
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:07,720
interestingly enough, has some of the best Viking ruins, they say,

1636
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,279
anywhere in the world. The Viking through there over a

1637
01:24:10,319 --> 01:24:13,239
thousand years. The thing was already a couple three. The

1638
01:24:13,319 --> 01:24:15,760
thing is, it was already over three thousand years old

1639
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,760
when the Vikings got there. It's over four thousand years old.

1640
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,920
I think Stara Bray's close to five thousand years old.

1641
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,960
When the Bikings visited over a thousand years ago. It

1642
01:24:24,079 --> 01:24:26,720
was already seem the ancients they were, and they put

1643
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,239
graffiti all over the walls and the ruins, so it

1644
01:24:29,359 --> 01:24:32,840
has yeah, you know, modern graffiti a thousand years old,

1645
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:35,880
and so that's kind of interesting too. That's kind of cool.

1646
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,000
The Vikings were like wow, you know. But Stara Bray

1647
01:24:39,039 --> 01:24:42,560
and I think one other site in the UK, it's

1648
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,760
called Stanley I think it's called Stanleydale. It was another

1649
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,920
habitat site. And that's only two habitat sites that are

1650
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,079
megalithic that I'm aware of that you can visit. And

1651
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:57,359
near Stoneheng just starting to use wide ground penetration radar.

1652
01:24:57,399 --> 01:24:59,199
They've been doing it for a while and it's starting

1653
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:02,880
to find the commun where they lived. They decomposed so

1654
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,079
much that they get hidden under the earth. But with

1655
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:08,439
all this modern equipment they're starting to find out. And

1656
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,680
then they can do some shovel test bits for testing

1657
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,199
and to see if there's what's below the surface, you know,

1658
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,479
and they can actually because archeology is kind of invasive,

1659
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,439
so you want to try to do the least invasive

1660
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:21,239
thing you can, but sometimes you have to actually go

1661
01:25:21,319 --> 01:25:23,239
and do the excavations, you know, like they did it

1662
01:25:23,279 --> 01:25:25,800
go Beckley Techi and everything, you know, get in there

1663
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,199
and do that and at our fight that's the same problem.

1664
01:25:29,279 --> 01:25:31,640
Where did the people live? And our archaeologists that just

1665
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,239
retired three years ago. He's in the front cover of

1666
01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:37,560
my book. Her name was Pat Hume. She has joined

1667
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,159
us in nineteen eighty nine. She was a president in

1668
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:42,399
the Hypshire Archeological Study, which my dad had been a

1669
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,520
long term member, and my dad's cousin uncle laws recall him.

1670
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,399
He was a vice president of that back in the

1671
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,640
sixties and seventies. But see I was mainstream and he

1672
01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:54,079
was brought in. I'm not sure if it was reluctantly

1673
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:55,720
or not, but she joined us in eighty nine and

1674
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,760
once he got this, it goes, this is not some

1675
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,039
crazy farmer building this site, you know, And she started

1676
01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:05,159
doing several test pits all over the hilltop soiled depth measuring,

1677
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,760
looking for artifacts. He did a repair on the north

1678
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,000
Stone starting in nineteen eighty nineteen eighty nine, it was

1679
01:26:12,039 --> 01:26:14,960
starting to fall over, so they did an excavation around

1680
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,520
the stone. Found a fire pit above the base of it.

1681
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,840
Haven't dated it, and the date was thirteen hundred years

1682
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,640
old and somebody had built a fire in front of

1683
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,600
the north zone and used it as a backstop. And

1684
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,640
that's like that's pre historic date. That's you know, that's

1685
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,640
thirteen hundred years ago. Somebody built a fire there. The

1686
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,760
stone could have been standing there for centuries before. There

1687
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,960
are one thousands years but that's the stone of lines

1688
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,199
with the polstone, so that really hooked her. He did

1689
01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:45,199
another several testpit just the way, just a little short

1690
01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:48,199
distance away from that. It wasn't next to the wall

1691
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,720
or the North Stone, so it didn't date the future.

1692
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,800
But that date came back five thousand BC. What it

1693
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,000
looked like was a fire pit. It looked like somebody

1694
01:26:57,119 --> 01:27:00,560
was on top of the hill five thousand over five

1695
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,920
thousand years ago, Middle Woodland period and actually that would

1696
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,239
be the Archaic period, excuse me, Middle Archaic period, and

1697
01:27:08,399 --> 01:27:14,159
they were building a fire possibly, so somebody either transiting

1698
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:18,199
the area, hunting or doing something out there maybe, And

1699
01:27:18,279 --> 01:27:20,319
this is before the site was built, So we have

1700
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,800
some human activity going back over about fifty two hundred

1701
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,199
years ago we think, and that was a fire pit,

1702
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,960
but it was so small the remains of it, and

1703
01:27:30,079 --> 01:27:31,960
it was one of these questions we're not one hundred

1704
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,920
percent here. It could have been something natural, but still

1705
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,119
everything calls us this was actually a fire pit made

1706
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:41,039
by mand not something natural. You know. They still had

1707
01:27:41,039 --> 01:27:42,840
a little bit of question to it. But that was

1708
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,239
right next to the thirteen hundred year old fire pit,

1709
01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:47,279
that was right up against the base of the stone.

1710
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,600
But they dug right down to the bedrock. They found

1711
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,560
the stone was sitting in a crevice in the bedrock.

1712
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,520
Stones piled around at little cobbles to stabilize it. And

1713
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,640
on either side or part of the wall, that's the

1714
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,239
serpent body of the twenty five fifty foot serpent. Part

1715
01:28:01,279 --> 01:28:05,600
of the whole thing, you know. So we're talking about

1716
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,199
the living house, you know, it's the Phoenicians could have

1717
01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:12,880
been here, uh as part of it they you know,

1718
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,960
that's that could be further investigated, I think by modern

1719
01:28:17,239 --> 01:28:19,439
people that do the pigger feet that kind of thing,

1720
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,720
you know. But I'm glad you brought that up. Sometimes

1721
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,119
we sometimes we forget a little bit about how much

1722
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:29,399
Barrypeld did at the site. He was there on the

1723
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,600
site not quite twenty years, you know, but he hadn't

1724
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,960
been involved with us since the days of being in

1725
01:28:35,039 --> 01:28:38,840
the University of Edinburgh because when there he's starting from Gaelic.

1726
01:28:39,039 --> 01:28:41,560
You got into some of the ancient you know, culture,

1727
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:43,800
and that's what really even though he was going to

1728
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,720
be a vertebrae marine and zoologist, and he's studying animals

1729
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,880
and marine life all around the world. And currents, air currents,

1730
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:54,119
Oakin Currens, primarily Osin Currens, and we got into that,

1731
01:28:54,199 --> 01:28:57,680
he says, saying, oh, yeah, people people traveled on these currents.

1732
01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 3: Either a paddle or sale. This the currents took him

1733
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,239
straight to New England. That's great, you know.

1734
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he started getting into that, and then

1735
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,880
languages and stuff. I think he could read like fifteen

1736
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,079
ancient languages. You could speak seven. I think modern languages.

1737
01:29:15,159 --> 01:29:19,560
You know, just want to spend well, yeah, really, I

1738
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,600
know I have a hot time in English. I don't know,

1739
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,199
you know, he could do like six other languages. And

1740
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,880
it's pretty pretty amazing guy. If people have a chance

1741
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,800
to read his book, you know, I read it with

1742
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,439
an open mind. I'm sure since fifty years or it

1743
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,560
came out over fifty years ago, there's been a lot

1744
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,800
more just in the and Sipson's never mind the surfent

1745
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,960
walls and all the other things. We've been talking about today.

1746
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,800
One other thing is the standard Union of measure at

1747
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:48,239
our site. You know, Roscoe Whitney was put in guide

1748
01:29:48,279 --> 01:29:51,000
to the site in nineteen thirty seven. He was from Leminster,

1749
01:29:51,159 --> 01:29:53,119
mass It's about an hour and a half west of here.

1750
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:58,119
He was an MIT graduate infinear and he did a

1751
01:29:58,199 --> 01:30:01,640
great job on He had a plane table. We have

1752
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,000
pictures of him standing at his playing table in different

1753
01:30:04,039 --> 01:30:05,760
parts of the site with a pith helmet on. It

1754
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:10,359
looked like he was in Africa and exactly boring cross

1755
01:30:10,399 --> 01:30:13,800
sex and profile and plan views of the entire complex.

1756
01:30:14,199 --> 01:30:15,720
So if anybody says, well, what do we know what

1757
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:17,680
it looked like, you know before good one, Well, we

1758
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,239
know what it looks like before good ones. We have

1759
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:21,920
photographs going back to nineteen hundred nineteen twenty. We have

1760
01:30:22,039 --> 01:30:24,760
four of them, and I have I believe two of

1761
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,239
the nineteen twenty in my book. And we have the

1762
01:30:28,279 --> 01:30:31,359
newspapers doing stories on us, like the Hable Gazette with

1763
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,960
pictures of a guy named Reverend Ward standing on our

1764
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,800
site with the whole site in the background in nineteen

1765
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:40,600
thirty four, nineteen thirty five, but Boston, different Boston papers,

1766
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,840
the Globe, the Boston Globe, maybe the Herald Gazette. I

1767
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,800
had the Boston Herald, I should say, other papers did

1768
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,439
site stories about our site. And that's before good One

1769
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,399
never heard of it in thirty six, and then he

1770
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,479
visits in thirty six, buys the property in thirty seven,

1771
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,920
twenty acres from Fred Dustin. He was part of the

1772
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,840
Patty family, believe it or not, Saint Patty family that

1773
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:05,199
was there for over two hundred years. But he made

1774
01:31:05,319 --> 01:31:07,920
really great We have all that data today, all the

1775
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,000
things that he drew out in the late thirties about

1776
01:31:11,039 --> 01:31:15,520
the site, all of these diagrams and everything. But he said,

1777
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,479
you know, we were built a site. Either didn't give

1778
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,079
a damn or know about many of measurements because I

1779
01:31:21,119 --> 01:31:23,760
looked at the heights, width and depth of destructors and

1780
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,439
I can't find Imperial measurements, and I can't find in

1781
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,840
metric or anything else. He didn't know what they used

1782
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,279
for a measuring stick to build this thing with. And

1783
01:31:32,399 --> 01:31:34,439
you're going to use something when you build something, whether

1784
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,479
it's a car, plane or a building or stone wall,

1785
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,840
you're going to measure it right. And years later in

1786
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,720
the seventies, before I when I was building my diarragm

1787
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,199
or around seventy six seventy seven. I was in college

1788
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:47,920
they built that Diarrham but you will see when you

1789
01:31:48,039 --> 01:31:50,640
visit us. I went up and did some measurement with

1790
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,000
a couple of other people that worked there at the time,

1791
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,279
and we thought we were already aware of a thing

1792
01:31:56,319 --> 01:31:59,680
called the megalistic yard, which is thirty two inches point

1793
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,920
six before. It's the unit of measure found in some

1794
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,600
of the megalytics sites in Europe. I'm already aware of that,

1795
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,439
you know. So we started doing some measuring and we

1796
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,520
looked at that too and said, oh, there seems to

1797
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:14,920
be something to that, and uh, we made note of that.

1798
01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:17,199
We didn't really follow up too much of those fools.

1799
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:23,000
It could be the megalith Yah is very very important.

1800
01:32:23,239 --> 01:32:27,359
It's two point seven three feet. It was found by

1801
01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:31,319
doctor Alexander Tom of Scotland, and he's considered the father

1802
01:32:31,359 --> 01:32:33,279
of aki astronomy too, as he looked at the way

1803
01:32:33,359 --> 01:32:35,720
the sites were light up and set up with the

1804
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,319
heavens for the sun, moon and stars. And so my

1805
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:45,199
father eventually got in contact with doctor l Alexander Tomb,

1806
01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:49,159
actually his son, doctor Archibald Tom in the late seventies

1807
01:32:49,279 --> 01:32:52,880
and the early eighties. Doctor Alexander Tom was fuite old

1808
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,960
and in starting to have some physical problems. And we

1809
01:32:57,119 --> 01:32:59,600
traveled to Scotland in eighty two and we went to well,

1810
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,079
I went to England. We took to playing Scotsman up.

1811
01:33:02,119 --> 01:33:04,800
We went to Edinburgh's Glasgow and we took I think

1812
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,560
it was a bus over to Dunlop and we visited

1813
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,720
doctor Alexander Tom. His son Archibald, who was also a

1814
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,760
doctor of engineering, met us at the bus stop, brought

1815
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:17,479
us to the family's compound and we had turkey that

1816
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,800
evening with the whole family, and it was our Thanksgiving.

1817
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:22,399
They didn't even know that. We said thank you so

1818
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:24,920
much for a thankgiving, you know, with my dad and

1819
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:27,880
I good memories of that, and I didn't appreciate. I

1820
01:33:28,119 --> 01:33:30,079
appreciated going there meeting the guy because I heard so

1821
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:32,560
much about him. But it's more even more meaningful fifty

1822
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:36,119
years well, forty forty whatever it is, forty three years later,

1823
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:39,239
it's more meaningful. But doctor Tom here eight Tom, you

1824
01:33:39,319 --> 01:33:41,520
look him up. What an amazing guy. And his son,

1825
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,600
I understand, his grandson who we probably met. I can't remember.

1826
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:47,840
You know that the detail of that. Maybe in some

1827
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,079
pictures will see it. I think the grandson may be

1828
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:52,319
carrying out to work because Tom died in eighty five,

1829
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,279
few years about few years out, twenty a half years

1830
01:33:55,279 --> 01:33:57,720
after he visited him, and then the Sun died in

1831
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,720
ninety five, just ten years later. In the sunsets a

1832
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:06,079
lot of time in Ohio, including the Ohio the Newark

1833
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:09,920
Mounds and the Chilipoffee mom and how they're astronomically aligned.

1834
01:34:10,279 --> 01:34:13,319
So doctor Archibald Tom actually spent quite a bit of

1835
01:34:13,359 --> 01:34:16,159
time in I always say the early seventies, and he

1836
01:34:16,279 --> 01:34:19,920
wanted to visit us. But as we communicated during the

1837
01:34:20,119 --> 01:34:22,760
eighties into the nineties, he was starting to have some

1838
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,119
physical issues and travel and you know, and then he

1839
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:29,319
passed away in ninety five. So in the seventies I

1840
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:31,359
was aware of that and we started taking I wonder

1841
01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:34,079
if we have a make alftic yard here, and you know,

1842
01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:37,079
Rashka Whitney also mentioned that he can't find eybe ninety

1843
01:34:37,079 --> 01:34:39,439
degree corners on a lot of the stone work, and

1844
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:41,760
I'm wondering if that had to just because some of

1845
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,479
the stuff with three it's through stone work, you know,

1846
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:46,720
you know what I mean? It's not nice ninety degree

1847
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,399
cornered phones like an Egypt of blocks. But I'm also

1848
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,039
wondering if you're referring to the fact that we have

1849
01:34:51,119 --> 01:34:53,720
a trapezoidal state, because the corners, they're not going to

1850
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,600
be ninety degrees if you have a tropizoid, you know.

1851
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,479
And that's what we found on for the structors and

1852
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,880
the sack of pickl table fiving the groove on top,

1853
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,600
you know, it's trappersoidal shape. So we looked at that

1854
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,479
more fostly, more recently, and we're finding what looks like

1855
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,279
the megalithic yard may have been used at our site,

1856
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:13,760
and then nearer that group, my dad's dot it has

1857
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:17,880
found other instances where they have taken casful measurements. And

1858
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,560
what we've been doing is using handheld lighter. It can

1859
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,359
see to a centimeter. And they did the sixteen acres

1860
01:35:25,039 --> 01:35:28,199
just outside the astronomical prail. They did sixteen acres in

1861
01:35:28,279 --> 01:35:31,079
twenty twenty and now one perabyte of data and you

1862
01:35:31,159 --> 01:35:33,239
can actually see the trappizoidal FIP, but you can also

1863
01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:37,000
get measurements pretty accurately, and it seems like the megalithic

1864
01:35:37,119 --> 01:35:41,720
yard may have been used. But a megalithic yard is

1865
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,760
not just two point seventeen CE. Doctor Tom found that.

1866
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,399
He called it a megalithic rod. It's two and a

1867
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:52,600
half megalithic yards in nice. That's got to get around it.

1868
01:35:53,079 --> 01:35:56,359
And one hundreds of that is the megaalithic inch. Is

1869
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,840
also a megalithic fathom, which is a half a megolythic yard.

1870
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:05,079
There's a John Clock from BYU that is written about

1871
01:36:05,119 --> 01:36:09,479
his study of measurements in South America, Mexico and in

1872
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,560
the southern US, some of the mountain complexes like Poverty Point,

1873
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:14,399
which we got to fear. I think it was two

1874
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,199
years ago, and he said one of the measurements for

1875
01:36:17,279 --> 01:36:20,000
a couple one of them was eighty three centimeters. And

1876
01:36:20,119 --> 01:36:22,439
my buddy from West Virginia near the Great Creek Mountains

1877
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,960
US from my publishers, he sent me a thing from

1878
01:36:25,039 --> 01:36:27,399
John Clock several pages. You know, he sends me stuff

1879
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:29,600
a lot. I said, did you convert that to infest?

1880
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,159
Did you convert that to feet? And he goes no,

1881
01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:32,840
I didn't, I says, I just did. And it comes

1882
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,600
out it's the thirty two point sixty four inches. That's

1883
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,640
a megalithic yard. Eighty three centimeters. He's been talking about

1884
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:43,279
being found in the US Mexico as a measuring system,

1885
01:36:43,359 --> 01:36:45,680
and there was another measuring system length to whom he

1886
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:48,760
put in there. I can't recall with that. So he's

1887
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,640
finding a megalithic yard, you know, two point seven three

1888
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,039
feet here. I'm like, there's got to be a connection there,

1889
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:57,159
you know. Somebody said look at it more to verify

1890
01:36:57,239 --> 01:37:00,640
it to a second, you know, the gangs in, and

1891
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,680
maybe a third, but we safely have it at our site.

1892
01:37:04,359 --> 01:37:06,520
So the sum is an important thing too, because if

1893
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,439
the Patty family were building this whole entire complex, it's

1894
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,640
some stept they think. You think they'd be using probably

1895
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:15,560
seek imperial measurements. I don't think they'd be using metric necessarily,

1896
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,279
and that was something of what around the French revolutionary

1897
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:20,880
time when that came out, or some other measuring system,

1898
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,640
you know. But the Spanish bearrah is another measurement that's

1899
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:29,359
actually thirty two point sixty eight inches. Some people suggest

1900
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,680
that the megalistic gods started in Spain. It was thirty

1901
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,199
two sixty eight. They could have had a wooden yard

1902
01:37:35,279 --> 01:37:38,560
stick they ride it to. This is just don't take

1903
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:40,079
me don't sit. This is what happened.

1904
01:37:40,079 --> 01:37:43,039
Speaker 3: It's just somebody in that state got wound down and

1905
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:47,279
they kept copying each other kind of or all that would.

1906
01:37:47,319 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 4: Ride in it shrank, right, I mean, it's just it's

1907
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,680
an interesting thought, you know, you consider it. We have

1908
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,199
no evidence spot out, but it's like, oh, maybe it

1909
01:37:54,279 --> 01:37:58,319
started in Spain. But there's also an Indian from India

1910
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:02,359
a sacred measure per few or whatever, and that is

1911
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:04,760
like just under thirty three anches. It's like the same

1912
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,079
almost the same length, you know, very very cool. That

1913
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:10,560
could be investigated a little bit more too, to see

1914
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,119
if there's anything to that, you know. Yeah, and any

1915
01:38:13,319 --> 01:38:17,800
anything else, you know, any questions you have. That's perfect.

1916
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:20,800
I know, we covered a lot of different stuff today.

1917
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:26,920
Our investigation will continue. We're still we're still doing investigation here.

1918
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:30,279
Unfortunately at other sites, dating methods are using. We using

1919
01:38:30,319 --> 01:38:33,399
ground penetration radar. We've done the whole entire hill with

1920
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,479
light R. The latest light R we've just done last

1921
01:38:37,359 --> 01:38:40,039
last fall. So we just did that about four months

1922
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:43,680
ago with a gentleman from VPI, which is from Maine

1923
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:45,800
to Place. It's an engineering company from Maine to So

1924
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,399
we got all that We have all that data, but

1925
01:38:50,199 --> 01:38:53,079
if people are interesting, they can check out website. It's

1926
01:38:53,159 --> 01:38:56,479
stonehe INUSA dot com. We've had a website since I

1927
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,720
think nineteen ninety five. There's a lot of links in there.

1928
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,119
But the cool thing about that, if you go in there,

1929
01:39:02,199 --> 01:39:06,479
you can actually pull down our eleven minute theater video.

1930
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,920
It has doctor David Stuart Smith, myself and other investigators.

1931
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,760
It's about eleven minutes long. You can watch that. There's

1932
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:16,079
also a free mobile app you can download if with

1933
01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:19,079
an Apple or Android, and if you put it on

1934
01:39:19,159 --> 01:39:21,399
your phone it's free. You can do a complete virtual

1935
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,800
cour starting at the visitor center and you can take

1936
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,880
the entire tour for free from your account or a

1937
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,039
lazy boy of our flight. So don't hand you USI

1938
01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:32,359
dot com. And once you get in it to stop looking,

1939
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,039
you know, and you will see both the video, you'll

1940
01:39:35,079 --> 01:39:37,600
see the free mobile app download. There's a lot of

1941
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:40,279
pictures in there. There's a different We just redid the

1942
01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:43,399
whole website and there's areas of investigation and some reports

1943
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:45,640
in there, so people can dig a little deeper if

1944
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,800
they're interested in information. But we're open every day of

1945
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,560
the year except Christmas and Thanksgiving and we have the

1946
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:56,920
next event coming up will be deltain Ax. Really, I

1947
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,279
believe we're going to be open for the sun the

1948
01:39:59,319 --> 01:40:02,279
sunrise and said on that, I think the next big

1949
01:40:02,319 --> 01:40:04,279
one really will be the summer sold because you know

1950
01:40:04,399 --> 01:40:05,800
in June, so that'll be the next one. You have

1951
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,079
like drumming circles. We have people up there doing yoga

1952
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:13,880
on the site, you know, reyki and other types of activities,

1953
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:18,119
and we do VIP tour those especial they're like a

1954
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:21,079
two or three hour tour with our with our manager James.

1955
01:40:21,159 --> 01:40:23,479
I've done many of them. Right now, I'm not doing anything.

1956
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,319
I got I got a hip issue right now. I

1957
01:40:25,359 --> 01:40:28,840
can't really walk that cull. So yeah, if anybody's interesting,

1958
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,079
they can also call us. Our phone number. Email is

1959
01:40:31,159 --> 01:40:33,399
on that website too. You know, emails are really cool.

1960
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,399
To send us an email, we'll try to get right

1961
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:38,439
back to you, you know, and you know, we hope

1962
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:40,039
some of you can visit the site, but if not,

1963
01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:42,119
that app is really good to check it out and

1964
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:44,640
see if you're interested in seeing the site at some point.

1965
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,039
Speaker 3: That's awesome. I'm definitely gonna take advantage of that, but

1966
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:51,319
I want to come up and get a tour and

1967
01:40:51,359 --> 01:40:54,119
see it myself. But Dannis Man, thank you so much

1968
01:40:54,279 --> 01:40:56,720
man for coming on and laying all this stuff out.

1969
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,439
I'd love to have you back. I know, I said

1970
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:00,640
begin the show. I hope it's the first many because

1971
01:41:01,279 --> 01:41:03,760
you are a wealth of knowledge and we've only just

1972
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:07,319
kind of scratched the surface here, and but I want

1973
01:41:07,359 --> 01:41:08,399
you to appreciate it.

1974
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Speaker 4: Man.

1975
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:10,520
Speaker 3: I hope you do come back sometime with us.

1976
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. We've got a lot to talk about.

1977
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:16,079
And when you come up there, I'll try to throw

1978
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:18,800
you around. And you know, we could even do a

1979
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,960
live podcast. I mean that's a possibility. We've got a

1980
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,720
few of those sometimes it works out nice, you know.

1981
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,760
Just something to think about too. You could do something

1982
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:29,199
up there, you know, near the recorder or whatever, and

1983
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,479
then you can play it litter. I think people would

1984
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,119
enjoy that having you up there, hands on, seeing the place,

1985
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:36,680
you know, and say hi to our out package are

1986
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:40,000
part of our site too. People don't realize el packers

1987
01:41:40,119 --> 01:41:42,920
or ancests. There are North American animals. The camel I

1988
01:41:43,079 --> 01:41:45,800
was at one of the mounds in Alabama. I'm looking

1989
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,560
at a skull. It was a lama skull. It actually

1990
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:51,479
had died there, and it had died there thousands of

1991
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,840
years ago, as before the mound was built. And I

1992
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:57,439
had known that the our ol package were domesticated in

1993
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,960
South America, but the ancestors were the lamber in the camp.

1994
01:42:00,359 --> 01:42:02,119
And there it is, right at one of the ancient moms.

1995
01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:06,359
There's one of the ancestors of our l packers right there.

1996
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:08,520
And it's like, that is so cool because I drew

1997
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:11,520
up thinking camels for from Asia and Africa or whatever,

1998
01:42:12,039 --> 01:42:14,800
and linemans are from suff They're actually from here. They're

1999
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,359
actually so you come up, this is them too. They'll skid.

2000
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,960
We've had a couple of them since we started getting

2001
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,119
him in twenty two thousand and two we started getting

2002
01:42:22,119 --> 01:42:24,319
al packers. But they're up there to greet you.

2003
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 3: Nice. Well, guys, I hope you enjoyed that. Be sure

2004
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,760
to check out his website, and I want to make

2005
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:33,880
sure to get those links from him and have those

2006
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:37,199
down in the description below, because especially that that whole

2007
01:42:37,279 --> 01:42:39,840
digital thing. Man, you can just check everything out from

2008
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,520
the comfort of your catch. You can't beat that. But guys,

2009
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:43,399
be sure check you out.

2010
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Speaker 4: Man.

2011
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,600
Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys. Hey, just remember the difference between the

2012
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:50,600
known and the unknown. That is the journey, my friends,

2013
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:59,279
so good journey. Guys, all right, Just.

2014
01:42:59,359 --> 01:43:05,159
Speaker 2: See smoking heroes and called beast by name, they say.

2015
01:43:05,359 --> 01:43:12,000
The friends will costume friends, confide, be somebody agent, the same,

2016
01:43:12,319 --> 01:43:17,159
real has a softer face, swim fires, let us be