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See website 46 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:06.799 for details. 47 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:19.159 You are now listening to True Murder, The most shocking 48 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:22.280 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 49 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:29.639 written about them Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. Every 50 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:33.360 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 51 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:37.639 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 52 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:41.520 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 53 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:55.439 Good Evening, the author of the true crime classic Lobster Boy, 54 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:59.840 now turns his investigative skills to the chilling true story 55 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:03.840 of Kendel Francois, one of the most bizarre serial sex 56 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:09.759 killers of modern times. In October nineteen ninety six, young, pretty, 57 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:13.120 and petite women began vanishing off the streets of Poughkeepsie, 58 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:17.280 New York. Most were prostitutes and some were attics. By 59 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:20.960 August nineteen ninety eight, the toll had reached eight, when 60 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:23.520 a prostitute told police that she had barely escaped being 61 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.560 strangled by Kendel Francois twenty seven, a six foot four 62 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:31.439 to three hundred pound middle school hall monitor whose slovenly 63 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:36.759 personal hygiene had earned them the nickname Stinky. Inside his house, 64 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:41.960 houses the smell was much worse as investigators discovered a 65 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.680 tangle of rotting flesh and bones eight female corpses, almost 66 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.840 all decomposed. The book that we were featuring this evening 67 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:55.039 is Body Dump with my special guest journalist and author 68 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:58.479 Fred Rosen. Welcome back to the program, and thank you 69 00:03:58.520 --> 00:03:59.639 for agreeing to this interview. 70 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:05.840 Fred Rosen, Hello, Dan, how the heck are you tonight? 71 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:09.240 Very good? Thank you very much Fred for doing this 72 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.400 SCE again. A'm gonna be a great show because this 73 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:19.920 is another you've uncovered or another incredible tale. So let's 74 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.680 talk about we had spoken last night, so we'll let 75 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:26.920 we'll let the audience know that. Oh yeah, sure that 76 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:27.720 everything was set. 77 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.279 Yeah, I just we just have to admit this. We 78 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.879 we spoke last night and the entire conversation was about 79 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:37.759 deflate Gate, and we're working on that, folks. We just 80 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:41.399 want to let everybody know that we're going after Brady. Okay, 81 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.199 just let's let you know this stuff. You know, this 82 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:48.360 is a combined international operations you know, and uh, and 83 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:50.360 we're going after him. So we just go we let 84 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:51.079 you know this stuff. 85 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:57.160 I'm sorry, kind of serious stuff we're now working on you. 86 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.399 Yeah, go after No. I was just going to say, 87 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:05.959 you know what it is. I learned years ago from 88 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:11.199 some cops and then prosecutors dan that when you work 89 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:15.399 murder cases, if you don't kid around, you're gonna go nuts. 90 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.639 You gotta kid around, you know, I mean, you know 91 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:23.279 one of that's one of the hard parts when you're 92 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.480 writing a book is you know the cops are not 93 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.240 going to tell you the jokes they said, you know 94 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.639 what I mean, But because they're just trying to keep alive, 95 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:36.079 and because you know they're affected emotionally by the cases, 96 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:41.040 the good ones, that's when they solve those cases. I 97 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:42.639 don't know. I just put my true cents in on 98 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:42.959 there and. 99 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:47.240 That no, I actually I spoke. There was a particular 100 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:53.240 case again in my hometown, where there was a recorded 101 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:58.000 version or a reported version of a police officer in 102 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:04.399 this little out of context recording was that that he 103 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.360 had no regard for the murder victim and they were 104 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:12.360 for me. Yeah. But as you know, as I've learned 105 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.360 over the years, and it keeps getting reinforced, there's always 106 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.160 two or three different sides to the story. So a 107 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:21.560 police officers that noted that it was posted said, yeah, 108 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.560 but here's the real story. And so the real detailed 109 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.800 story was of a cop saying, yeah this, you know this, 110 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:32.000 what do you call it? Gallows humor? And the reason 111 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.480 why even even there was a gallows there was a 112 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.199 rationale for why that even the joke was even said. 113 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.959 And so an explanation must say, so two different stories. 114 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.879 No, man, that makes a great point, you know. I mean, 115 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:51.519 here we are in a situation, you know, where it 116 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:55.480 doesn't make any difference what the case is as soon 117 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.680 as it breaks and it's about murder. You see it 118 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:04.560 all over the place without having the sources checked out 119 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:09.399 and so forth, and then what happens perception becomes reality, 120 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:13.120 you know, and that makes Man, does that make it difficult? 121 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.160 You know, when you're investigating something, whether you're a cop 122 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.759 or whether you're you know, a reporter, you know, or 123 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:23.399 maybe one of the avengers, you know. No, no, hey, 124 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:29.600 I got that in there. You go sorry with this book. 125 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:34.040 With this book, Fred, which was interesting is that in 126 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:38.000 our conversation we just touched on something that normally we 127 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:41.360 don't talk about so much, and we really get to 128 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:43.160 the nuts and bolts of the story. And we certainly 129 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:43.959 will to this one. 130 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:45.959 But I want to ask. 131 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.160 The first question is that you want let why don't 132 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.399 you explain how involved you were in this story, what 133 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:54.360 you had to do. You talk about having to move 134 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.639 to this town, tell us why, and you talked about 135 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.959 ask me about how I got some of these interviews 136 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:04.040 or the people I had to speak to, and the 137 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:05.879 idea that they were going to write a book about 138 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.720 an African American serial killer. So tell us a little 139 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:10.560 bit of loot about before we start. 140 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:17.000 Well, let me just say to people that it's wonderful 141 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.040 that you're listening in because Dan and I are able 142 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:23.839 to actually communicate before we go on air, and we're 143 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:26.959 not setting up stick what you do, which I would 144 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:29.879 do with other hosts. What we're doing is is we're 145 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:33.919 actually talking about how we're going to spend your time 146 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.000 and the information we're going to give you. And so 147 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.960 what happened with me was that when this case broke, 148 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:45.120 that is when Kendall france While was captured and he 149 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:47.639 gave a confession which he said he killed these women. 150 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:54.320 And what happened was I happened to be living at 151 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.559 the time about thirty miles away. This is a very 152 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:02.720 very unusual circumstance. It'll never happen again in order do 153 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:05.799 I want it to, because it's nice to keep this stuff, 154 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.799 you know, at at you know, at the arm's length. 155 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:13.200 But what happened was I read this and it said, 156 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:15.679 you know this dude who was captured, who was a 157 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:20.440 serial killer, and blah blah blah. And I said, gee, man, 158 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.519 you're right, true crime. You're supposed to investigate this. So 159 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.120 I went from where I lived to Poughkeepsie, and I 160 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.799 started looking into it, and I did a proposal on 161 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:37.480 the book, and I sent it into the publisher. But 162 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.919 what happened was, at the time it was so horrific 163 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:47.080 Dan I'd never worked on the case, been involved more 164 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:51.639 than one or perhaps two victims. Yeah, two victims. So 165 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:53.759 I said, oh man, this is not my cup of tea. 166 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.879 And simultaneously, the other thing was that I had been 167 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:06.759 told by by off I'm sorry editors at two different 168 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:11.360 publishing houses, major publishing houses I'd worked for, to never 169 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:16.200 touch a case involving an African American. And here I 170 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:19.440 had a guy who was accused of being an African American, 171 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:25.200 a serial killer who was African American. So I said, well, 172 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:30.360 you know what, I don't really care what his races. 173 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:34.600 It's a good story, let's investigate. And I went ahead 174 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.600 with it. And originally I wasn't going to write it. 175 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.440 A home a student of mine was going to write it, 176 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:43.960 but he couldn't do it. And at the last minute 177 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.399 I stepped in and I wrote the book. And in 178 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:55.639 order to write the book, I had a problem, and 179 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.159 that was that it was hard to get people to 180 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:02.200 talk to me about it. So I got a job 181 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.600 teaching at Marist College in Pikeepsie, New York per year 182 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.919 during which time I taught at Marris and I went 183 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.159 out on the street and I took to the people 184 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:14.240 involved in the case. 185 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:15.919 Incredible. 186 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.399 I don't know, well, you know what it was. You know, 187 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:25.639 this was It's fun, you know, it was. It was weird. 188 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:27.759 I don't know what else to tell you. I mean, 189 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.200 you know, it was it was close to me, you 190 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.320 know what I mean. I mean, you know, I mean 191 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.639 we're talking serial killer and here, you know, I'm this 192 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:39.279 you know, true crime author, and this dude is almost 193 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:48.600 in my backyard. And he was a particularly you know, 194 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:54.279 his nickname was Stinky guys. I mean, you know, the 195 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.960 original title of the book was Stinky And I guess 196 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:02.440 thank God, the the editor interested to body them. Yeah, 197 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.159 I think you know, I mean it's I mean, just 198 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.200 think about that, you know, you know, it's it's really 199 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.120 strange and and and the older part actually has a 200 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.159 lot to do with what happens later on. 201 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.960 Sure, well, let's start at the beginning, because we talk 202 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:23.200 about Poughkeepsie, but we also have to talk about Highland 203 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.519 and then it's connection to and then how small is 204 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:30.120 Highland is? Really what does Spoughkeepsie represent, because that's the 205 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:32.840 you know, the crux of our story here is the 206 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:36.240 not the divide, what the contrast, I would say. So 207 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:40.240 let's talk about Highland and it's small population, and then 208 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:44.440 the bridge boy Poughkeepsie and the different the difference. 209 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.600 You know something, I have to tell you something, Dann. 210 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:50.559 I knew that we were going. Obviously we can be 211 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.120 doing this interview, and it happens. I still live in 212 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.679 the area, and I have to go down from where 213 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.039 I lived to New York City to take a TV 214 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:08.240 show for Investigation Discovery, right, and I went through Highland, 215 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.039 you know, and I've been down that road. It's it's 216 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:15.759 you know, for a long time, it's not in w 217 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.480 and New York State and the thing is, Highland is 218 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:27.320 a very small, very small town, you know, withs a 219 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:32.559 main trag basically sure, uh do people still say that 220 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:42.960 main track? And uh May Highway, May Highway. And there 221 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:48.279 is a string of hotels there still there. I looked, 222 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.480 I looked the other day, and these hotels are catered 223 00:13:52.480 --> 00:14:03.120 to prostitutes. Still the same, you know. And across that, 224 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.720 and then what happens is when you go a little 225 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:11.320 bit further south, you get to the Poughkeepsie Bridge, which 226 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:17.279 then goes across the Hudson River to the city of Poughkeepsie, 227 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.759 which is on the east bank of the of the 228 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.720 of the river in what's called the Hudson Valley. Now 229 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:29.200 that city is not quite a city. That's where he 230 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:33.200 gets confusing. There's the city of Poughkeepsie and the town 231 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:37.080 of Poughkeepsie. Then these guys must be up all night 232 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.039 and this stuff. You know, how do you figure this 233 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:42.440 stuff out? Okay? In other words, now you got yourself 234 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:46.960 three different police forces in the same place. You got county, 235 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:52.200 you got city, and you got town. And that helps 236 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:55.360 when you're a bad guy like Kembell Francois who's moving 237 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:57.919 from one to the other and when I say one 238 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.799 to the other folks, I'm talking one city block. Okay, 239 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:07.399 So so you're seeing. What we're saying here is that 240 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:13.200 you have a serial killer who was able to operate 241 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:22.399 partly because of geography and because of you know whatever 242 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:26.559 these arbitrary you know, boundaries that have been made for 243 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:31.080 tax burs you know, so you know, this is this 244 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.879 is the place that he was working in. And I 245 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.279 would I was teaching at the school, and I'd go 246 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:43.080 out and I you know, after I teach, and in 247 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.919 the afternoon, and I sort of you know, right around, 248 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:48.679 and I would do you know, I started to do 249 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:56.320 my interviews with Bill Seacrest, who is the lieutenant in 250 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.159 charge of the investigation, who's really responsible for bringing the 251 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:05.919 serial killer injustice. And what what happened is he and 252 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:10.120 I would go down to the Hudson River. I think 253 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.399 any river it could be the same, Lawrence, I don't 254 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:18.200 care what it is, and you know, could be the Mississippi, 255 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:21.039 could be the Ohio. And we go down and we'd look, 256 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.600 you know, he'd get a you know, the right down Delia. 257 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.919 So we get some really good, you know, uh sandwiches. 258 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:33.759 And I talked to him and he would tell me 259 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:38.080 about the Kendall, France wack case. And he told me 260 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:42.519 all about how you know, he started getting into it 261 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:46.000 and so forth, and this took about a year to 262 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:46.960 get him to trust me. 263 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:59.559 Now you start off introducing, of course the victims as 264 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:04.359 an then portraying what information you find out about these 265 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:07.920 poor souls that end up first usually a drug addiction 266 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:12.319 and then this low track prostitution. And you first talk 267 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:16.319 in the first chapter, you talk about Wendy Myers and 268 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.839 so she has to she gets a ride over this 269 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.160 Hudson River. Here into Bokeepsie tell us a little bit 270 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:28.559 about Wendy Myers and her a little bit about her background. 271 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:31.240 She ends up where she. 272 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:36.200 Is, well, I mean, like a lot of the One 273 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:43.119 of the commonalities that I found when I did my 274 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:48.720 research into the backgrounds of the victims who were prostitutes 275 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:55.519 with that they all have problems and eventually those problems 276 00:17:55.599 --> 00:18:02.599 led them to drugs in the street. And the part 277 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:08.640 that I really found interesting was the fact that in 278 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:17.200 most instances, please will look at prostitutes excuse me, as 279 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:24.400 second class citizens. So they're not all that interested, you 280 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:29.200 know what I mean. They don't have regular jobs, they 281 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:34.400 don't pay taxes. They're not looked at as being a 282 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:42.160 regular person. And it takes a unique personality like a 283 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:44.799 Bill Siegrist and a Jimmy Ailing or two of the 284 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.839 cops in the story to look at these people as 285 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:54.559 human beings, and then by doing that they're able to 286 00:18:54.920 --> 00:19:01.039 eclipse their similar background. Again, it's going to the drugs, 287 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:07.640 you know, and reading to prostitution and take it to 288 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:09.799 the next step, which is to find the dude who 289 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:14.759 did it. And that's what I found really nice, which 290 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:16.920 was that you had people that would do this. 291 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:25.599 The we will for the sake of going through all 292 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.440 the stories of all the victims and not to you know, 293 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.400 just brush over their their lives and their deaths in 294 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:39.880 this in this story, but this talk about Kendall Francois, 295 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:42.519 who this guy you talked, You said, he's a stinky guy. 296 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:44.960 He's a huge man. But you go back into the 297 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:48.200 book and talk about his earlier life, even at the 298 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:52.559 time he's living with his parents. So you would talk 299 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:54.559 about his early life and tell us a little bit 300 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.319 about Kendell Francois. 301 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:02.640 Well. One of the problems, the first thing is that 302 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:10.480 one of the problems in particular cases that the perpetrator's 303 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:19.240 family has not made any public states regarding him, and 304 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:22.960 so therefore, you know, you go with whatever the record is. 305 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:32.079 So what we know for sure is that he grew 306 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:40.880 up in with his parents and his sister, and this 307 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:48.079 is to keep seeing New York, and so we know 308 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:54.519 that they were that what he did with the bodies 309 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:58.640 was to dispose of them in the house. And I 310 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:02.880 get into that obviously in the book. And of course 311 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:08.160 the real question then comes in. Okay, you're taking seven 312 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.519 bodies because the eighth was never discovered, and you're putting 313 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:16.799 him in a house in the middle of this town. Okay, okay, 314 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:21.599 people next door and other you know, the other people 315 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:27.160 smelled something, but yet the family never made any statement 316 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:29.960 about you see what I'm saying about smelling anything. Now, 317 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:35.839 I'm not implying anything whatsoever. I'm just stating what we 318 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:47.960 know as public records. So good excuse me. So what 319 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.920 we have here is a situation where this guy is 320 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:57.319 growing up. We don't have much and we don't have 321 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:01.119 much in the way of background. We just don't, which 322 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:05.839 is a shame, you know, but we just don't. What 323 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:10.480 we do know is that he winds up going and 324 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:16.240 becoming a middle school monitor. We're not talking about you know, 325 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:22.519 you know, some guy from Deliverance. We're talking about guy's 326 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.799 got a brain, but for some reason he has a 327 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:28.039 problem with hygiene. 328 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:36.720 And there's no incidence that, like you're saying, this guy. 329 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:40.839 Also he's an intelligent guy, so we're not with this 330 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:44.519 this he's got disappearance. He's a huge man, like I say, 331 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.079 six flow war three hundred pounds, but he's he's got 332 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:50.920 an incredible hygiene problem. And this is a long standing 333 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.519 hygiene problem and continues through his entire life to the 334 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.759 end of the story here. Yeah, yeah, you do talk 335 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.160 about him being taunted for being fat in overweight, so 336 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.759 he he certainly wasn't He didn't have an idyllic life 337 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:06.880 growing up. But he's like you say, he doesn't mount 338 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.319 to something and and there's no real incident in contact 339 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.079 with police in terms of him being this sometimes creepy 340 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:15.119 hall monitor type guy. 341 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:20.200 Yeah, Dan, that's a very very oh my god, I'm wow, 342 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:29.279 that's an incredible point. Uh, Folks. Our host just pointed 343 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:32.279 out that there's no there's no evidence whatsoever that the 344 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:37.519 serial filler ever was a personal molested a human being. 345 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:41.839 This is and you know, I hadn't even thought about that, 346 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:46.599 But that's excellent, and that's true. There's nothing beer, however, 347 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:54.440 there isn't however, however, which is that? Oh boy? When 348 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:59.759 I when I was researching this story the dude round 349 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:06.319 up in Hawaii in the nineteen nineties in the Army, 350 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:14.720 I you know, in my fantasy Dan comment, at any 351 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:20.000 point I was ready to call Steve mcgarrett at Hawaii five. 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You can almost go often 390 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:35.519 about one hundred pages on you know, how many cases 391 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:39.079 hinged on that, how many police officers take that as 392 00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.480 gospel and eliminate a witness And there's scores of books 393 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:44.359 where that would be the case. Wow, my god, he 394 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.640 passed a polygraph of flying colors. And well, so we'll 395 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:53.119 talk about that. Let's first talk about them, because again, 396 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.519 when somebody is looking at crimes in Honolu later, if 397 00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:58.960 the mo O is not similar, then that's going to 398 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.440 be something that's going to live that as a possibility. 399 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.359 So let's talk about Stinky's mo O and what was 400 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:09.440 he interested in life when he was a predator? 401 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:14.680