Speaker 1: Caalaroga, Shock Media.
Speaker 2: Hey there, busy one today, I'm Johnny mag with your
Speaker 2: daily comedy names. Let me do the eight block and
Speaker 2: then I'll tell you what's going on long show today. Shockingly,
Speaker 2: I can't believe this. After Midnight canceled by CBS. It
Speaker 2: seems like it was a mutual decision. Taylor Tomlinson has
Speaker 2: decided to return to stand up. I saw this just
Speaker 2: after I put Thursday's show to bed, and I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I couldn't jump in and make an edit. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I have to do other things, like prep what I
Speaker 2: had to teach at my college class on Thursday. Warning,
Speaker 2: Taylor explains, I'm doing less stand up than I was
Speaker 2: before hosting After Midnight. I was on tour three weekends
Speaker 2: a month for years. So to take this job and
Speaker 2: I'm always gonna have to scale back a little bit,
Speaker 2: was a very difficult decision for me. I wasn't sure
Speaker 2: if it was something I want to do or not,
Speaker 2: because stand up is the most important thing to me.
Speaker 2: It's the most rewarding thing I'll Last month, during a
Speaker 2: panel at south By, Taylor said, I'm doing less stand
Speaker 2: up than I was before hosting After midnight. I was
Speaker 2: on tour three weekends a month for years, so to
Speaker 2: take the job and know that I was gonna have
Speaker 2: to scale back a little bit was very difficult for me.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if it was something I wanted to
Speaker 2: do or not. Because stand up is the most important
Speaker 2: thing to me, It's the most rewarding thing. I was
Speaker 2: very clear about that in the interview process. I was like,
Speaker 2: just so you know, this will never be my first love.
Speaker 2: This show will never be my thing thing. Stand up
Speaker 2: is the most important thing to me, and as long
Speaker 2: as I can do both, I'd love to do both.
Speaker 2: Apparently she meant. In a statement, Taylor Thomlinson thanked Stephen Colbert,
Speaker 2: producer of the show, justa thank thee staff, and cru
Speaker 2: CBS says it will not come up with a new
Speaker 2: twelve thirty show. I don't think that's crazy. I think
Speaker 2: it's a different time, and I was thinking back even
Speaker 2: when Letterman was on, my godmother bought me a VCR
Speaker 2: and it was the greatest thing ever. I never watched
Speaker 2: Letterman live after that. In the early days before the VCR,
Speaker 2: in the summer, I would stay up until one o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning He couldn't even make it to the
Speaker 2: end of a Letterman even though I was a teenager
Speaker 2: during school. Forget it, watch a show twelve thirty, How's
Speaker 2: that gonna happen? And Letterman wasn't even on on Friday.
Speaker 2: They had Friday night videos, so you couldn't even stay
Speaker 2: up late the one day. But I remember the summer
Speaker 2: staying up waiting for Dave to come on at twelve thirty,
Speaker 2: which is how I wound up watching Johnny Carson. It
Speaker 2: was the thing you stared at to kill time until
Speaker 2: twelve thirty. No Internet, we had five channels. Totally different
Speaker 2: time guys. I lived in Queens, New York. Queen's New
Speaker 2: Work wasn't wired for cable until nineteen eighty seven, So yeah,
Speaker 2: he stared at Johnny Carson. Eventually Dave came on. I
Speaker 2: digress CBS not coming up on the new twelve thirty show.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's crazy at all. There's also some
Speaker 2: industry speculation. Now will NBC react in tel Seth Meyers, Hey,
Speaker 2: thanks man Seth. If somebody says SNL, you might want
Speaker 2: to grab that gig. Unfortunately, as many as two hundred
Speaker 2: staffers could be affected by the decision do two hundred
Speaker 2: people work on After Midnight? Now, I get there were writers.
Speaker 2: I get this, a support staff, somebody's paying the bills,
Speaker 2: somebody's building the sets, somebody's booking the guests, somebody's letting
Speaker 2: the crowd in, somebody's editing the tape. I got it.
Speaker 2: Two hundred Yeah, that sounds like a lot. I worked
Speaker 2: on a TV show, Doctor Joy Brown had a syndicated
Speaker 2: talk show. Let's say that was when I got my
Speaker 2: first computer and cell phone Circle ninety five ninety six.
Speaker 2: That was an hour a day, five days a week.
Speaker 2: I could tell you we didn't have two hundred people,
Speaker 2: but it was also a different time. The entire social
Speaker 2: media team was me, but there wasn't much social media
Speaker 2: to be done in nineteen ninety five. It was more
Speaker 2: like going on O, going like AOL chats and stuff,
Speaker 2: trying to promote the show. I digress again. Late nighter,
Speaker 2: watched the end of Colbert's show and at the end,
Speaker 2: Steven said, this is the part of the show where
Speaker 2: I usually say stick around for Taylor Thompson on After Midnight.
Speaker 2: I really enjoy doing that, not just because I'm an
Speaker 2: executive producer on that show, but because she's incredibly funny
Speaker 2: and I really liked that show. Unfortunately, After Midnight is
Speaker 2: going to end in June. I believe the show had
Speaker 2: been picked up for a third season, So this sounds
Speaker 2: like Taylor has changed her mind and wants to go
Speaker 2: back to stand up. That's what Taylor said in her statement.
Speaker 2: Colbert went on to reiterate what he had said in
Speaker 2: his press statement. According to Late Nighter, CBS just gave
Speaker 2: us a pick up for a third season, but Taylor
Speaker 2: has decided to return his stand up full time. And
Speaker 2: as someone who's done this job for twenty years, I
Speaker 2: completely respect her enormously as a comedian, and I'm making
Speaker 2: a very hard decision on how to best use her
Speaker 2: time and talent. Colbert went on to thank CBS for
Speaker 2: their support. I've been doing this a long time, and
Speaker 2: you rarely have partners that good, Meaning CBS, you'd have
Speaker 2: to work on one of these shows like we do
Speaker 2: to understand all the time and effort the amazing staff
Speaker 2: After Midnight put into it, not only launching a new show,
Speaker 2: but also creating a new form of one of these
Speaker 2: shows for a late night time slot. Are we going
Speaker 2: to pretend that Chris Hardwick didn't do this already. Are
Speaker 2: we going to do that? Steven? Come on. It's hard
Speaker 2: to try something new, and it's rare for a network
Speaker 2: to say we'd like more of that. I think this
Speaker 2: is a straight deal. I think Missus Taylor wanted to
Speaker 2: go back to stand up. But I'm not going to
Speaker 2: tell you that. My spidery sense isn't tingling. So if
Speaker 2: I come on here Monday and I'm like, oh, I've
Speaker 2: got an update, don't be shocked. Did you watch John
Speaker 2: Mulaney this week? I haven't. I don't feel the need
Speaker 2: to watch it, which is a shame because I was
Speaker 2: so excited about it as I put together the show.
Speaker 2: No milany related stories are organically coming to me. If
Speaker 2: I type in John Mulaney, still kind of nothing. I
Speaker 2: remember Pete Davidson was the guest and I typed in
Speaker 2: Pete Davidson, which surfaced something about mullaney. So I don't
Speaker 2: think there's any buzz on that show. As I speak
Speaker 2: to you, it is two twenty four pm on Thursday,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to type in Netflix top ten. I
Speaker 2: did this half an hour ago, so I know where
Speaker 2: I'm going here. But I'm gonna do it again quote unquote,
Speaker 2: live to you. So my source here is Netflix. I'm
Speaker 2: on netflix dot com. Top ten shows in the United States.
Speaker 2: Number one Adolescents here, that's really good. Number two the Residents,
Speaker 2: the guys at trivia we're talking about that. Three is
Speaker 2: Burt Kreischer's lucky and so let's stop there. You know,
Speaker 2: how do you define top ten? I don't know. Streamer
Speaker 2: math can be a little wonky, and so you'll see
Speaker 2: something like suits being quote unquote number one, but there's
Speaker 2: a lot of suits. Like you could sit down and
Speaker 2: watch sixteen hours of suits, which might increase whatever metric
Speaker 2: they're looking at, total hours viewed whatever. Burt Kreischer it's
Speaker 2: an hour, as is John mulaney. So there's a kind
Speaker 2: of sort of equal. It's at least apples and a
Speaker 2: different type of apple. It's not apples and oranges. So
Speaker 2: I'm comparing an hour of Burt Kreischer and an hour
Speaker 2: of John mullaney. So again, one is adolescents, which again
Speaker 2: you might binge and watch all four the Residents you
Speaker 2: might binge and watch is there eight? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Three is Burt Kreischer. Four is the Saint Patrick's Day
Speaker 2: episode of Raw. Not this week's the March seventeenth one.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Five is Temptation Island Season one, six, Miss
Speaker 2: Rachel Season one, seven, Running Point season one, eight, The
Speaker 2: Walking Dead, Dead City Season one nine, Zero Day Limited series.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. I watched that. Ten Beauty and Black
Speaker 2: season one. What did I not mention? Let me click
Speaker 2: on trending. Maybe it's trending my source here, Netflix dot Com.
Speaker 2: I'm getting from them. Let's see, they have not updated
Speaker 2: their page since March thirteenth. I can't help you, John,
Speaker 2: I've now clicked on what to watch. They want us
Speaker 2: to watch five chilling Stephen King adaptations you can stream
Speaker 2: right now. This page hasn't been updated since March twelfth.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna click on shows. My source Netflix dot Com
Speaker 2: updated yesterday, meaning Wednesday, at eleven eleven am. Million Dollar Secret.
Speaker 2: What to know about the players in their twisty new
Speaker 2: game Popular Now Adolescens, Temptation Island, the residents? What am
Speaker 2: I not mentioning? What word have I not said? That's right, listener, Mullaney,
Speaker 2: I have not said the word mullaney. There's no buzz
Speaker 2: on this thing, even on Netflix's own site. I don't
Speaker 2: know what to make of it. I not here to
Speaker 2: bash John. You'll hear me talk with Jason Ziddaman from
Speaker 2: The New York Times on Sunday's episode. I have some
Speaker 2: thoughts about the show, but it's not working right now,
Speaker 2: all right. Pete Davidson was the guest this week, and
Speaker 2: since it's Pete Davison, you have to ask him about
Speaker 2: his dating history. Lunel was on the cat Shore whatever
Speaker 2: they have on Malleniy's show and says, I want to
Speaker 2: know the mistique. To me, you're just an average guy,
Speaker 2: regular guy, but you continuously pull all these bad B words, right,
Speaker 2: so I don't get it. I want to know the mistique.
Speaker 2: What I think for the researching for women across America
Speaker 2: is you should take me out. Pete said, if that's
Speaker 2: what it takes to stop this, yeah, Mulaniy jumps in,
Speaker 2: We're going to move off Pete's personal life. So I
Speaker 2: wonder if that was disgusted in advance. Lunelle said, I
Speaker 2: just thought I would shoot my shot, you know, because
Speaker 2: people want to know what is the mistike. Pete said,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Lunell, like, you're super fun, You're a
Speaker 2: really good time. Pete seemed too embarrassed to answer the
Speaker 2: question of burrent Lyny mulaney jumps in, he has a
Speaker 2: real mystique. You have a real electricity to you. Mlaniey
Speaker 2: argued that Pete Davidson is a wonderful guy, probably to
Speaker 2: go to bed with. Lunell said, I wasn't tearing him down.
Speaker 2: I just want to know. I want to say right now,
Speaker 2: I don't want to sleep with you, I think, but
Speaker 2: I do want to go out. Pete said, Okay, that
Speaker 2: sounds fair. Maybe I will put eyes on that one now.
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued. An update from yesterday's lead story. Remember I
Speaker 2: tells you that the show was stopped at the Melbourne
Speaker 2: Comedy Fee Festival. Nothing funny here a man died during
Speaker 2: the show. The man was in the back of the theater.
Speaker 2: Other members of the crowd attempted to give him emergency
Speaker 2: care for about ten minutes before paramedics arrived. One audience
Speaker 2: member said it felt wrong to hear laughter from other
Speaker 2: folks in the crowd who were sitting closer to the
Speaker 2: stage and had no idea what was going on in
Speaker 2: the back of the venue of twenty nine hundred people.
Speaker 2: The audience member said people started leaving on their own
Speaker 2: accord by groups in the second act, particularly as CBR
Speaker 2: was going on, which you could see and ambulance was there.
Speaker 2: He could hear defibllerator sounds from across the room. Lighting
Speaker 2: was dark, though still lighting off to see that a
Speaker 2: lady and man were interchanging doing chess compressions.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: One attendee told the Age paramedics had to commence their
Speaker 2: care in the dark using flashlights because the show was
Speaker 2: still going on. It was the most disgraceful, disgusting thing
Speaker 2: I've ever witnessed. I don't think I was the only
Speaker 2: person wondering if we were in some sort of dystopian
Speaker 2: parallel universe where we prioritized the show must go on
Speaker 2: over human life. Others at the show said up to
Speaker 2: three comedians kept doing their five minute sets after the
Speaker 2: man became ill.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: One audience member said it was only after a few
Speaker 2: people were leaving got up and were loudly talking or
Speaker 2: arguing with a staff member for leaning over and shouting
Speaker 2: at the comedian on stage to stop the show. The
Speaker 2: paramedics were there for good fifteen to twenty minutes in
Speaker 2: the dark doing CPR before the show stopped. Someone from
Speaker 2: the dress circle yelled to stop the show. Another guy yelled,
Speaker 2: someone is dying. An audience member says lighting was dark.
Speaker 2: Though some comedians took to social media. Dave Hughes wrote,
Speaker 2: all performers thoughts are worthy, family affected to hear. Big
Speaker 2: Lick added, sad news but correctly handled all round, Well
Speaker 2: done everyone and thoughts with those involved. I was in there.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on there. I also don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on with Nicki Glazer. A couple weird
Speaker 2: headlines from thenews dot co dot uk that's an Australian website.
Speaker 2: The headline Gwyneth Paltrow exposes comedian Nicki Glazer for wanting
Speaker 2: to f her ex Ben Affleck, subheading Gwyneth has called
Speaker 2: out Nicki Glazer for wanting to hook up with Ben.
Speaker 2: I paraphrase that a little bit this happened on the
Speaker 2: Goop podcast on Tuesday. Glazier would apparently find Ben on
Speaker 2: a celebrity dating app? Are there celebrit already dating apps?
Speaker 2: I've never heard that before. As the story goes, when
Speaker 2: I used to be on RAYA or Aya, is this
Speaker 2: a thing? I'm sorry if I'm not up to date
Speaker 2: on celebrity dating apps, and you're like jud everybody knows Raya.
Speaker 2: Raya is a private membership AI Google AI is telling me.
Speaker 2: Raya is a private membership based social network application for
Speaker 2: iOS known for its exclusivity and focusing on connecting individuals
Speaker 2: and creative industries, celebrities, and high profile figures. It has
Speaker 2: a reputation for being harder to get into than the
Speaker 2: Harvard Business School. Really, hmmm, who knew about this? And
Speaker 2: was Nicky Glazer big enough no offense to get into
Speaker 2: the same thing with Ben Affleck five ten years ago?
Speaker 2: I mean maybe now, but really, how did she get
Speaker 2: in no offense? We're that famous until six months ago?
Speaker 1: Nikki?
Speaker 2: I digress again, Nicky had one. I used to be
Speaker 2: on ray A. Affleck would come across. Why is Ben
Speaker 2: Affleck on a dating app? He can't pull jicks? Really,
Speaker 2: I'm totally confused here, Adam my depth. Don't want to
Speaker 2: talk about I'm a loser, fifty five guy hosting a
Speaker 2: podcast his basement. This has nothing to do with me. Well,
Speaker 2: I used to be on Raya and Ben Affleck would
Speaker 2: come across. I would give him a very concentrated check
Speaker 2: mark yes, and like he never got back. Nicki also
Speaker 2: told Gwyneth about Andrew Garfield saying no to her on Raya,
Speaker 2: claiming I know for a fact, yet I've seen my profile.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't match with him if he was interested. Gwyneth
Speaker 2: said that would have been a good one. He's gorgeous
Speaker 2: now he regrets it. Then the conversation went to a
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two interview where Glazier had first mentioned her
Speaker 2: quote unquote kinky thing of having her boyfriend sleep with
Speaker 2: other women. Gwyneth asked her about that and whether her
Speaker 2: boyfriend had ever fooled around with other women. Nicki said
Speaker 2: that he had. Glazier then admitted it was a competition
Speaker 2: thing for her. She likes thinking that he could leave
Speaker 2: and that she has to step up her game to
Speaker 2: keep him. That brings us to Jimmy Fallon, where Nicki
Speaker 2: was on earlier this week. She talked about being on
Speaker 2: a zempic and said the shame is only from thin
Speaker 2: people who want you to stay fat. She said she's
Speaker 2: a fan of both ozempic and plastic surgery. As for
Speaker 2: plastic surgery, there's a stigma around getting worker investing in
Speaker 2: your beauty and doing all these procedures, and there's maybe
Speaker 2: a little sadness to it, but I'm also kind of like, well,
Speaker 2: it makes my life better. People treat you better when
Speaker 2: you're hotter. It's a sad fact of life. And everyone goes,
Speaker 2: that's so sad. What do you love the way you
Speaker 2: were born? It's like, well, why do you go to college?
Speaker 2: Why don't you love the brain you were born with?
Speaker 2: Why did you pay thousands of dollars to that institution.
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated spoke to Jerry Seinfeld about the Mets. Yes
Speaker 2: Baseball season is back. S I mentioned some comedians known
Speaker 2: to like the Mets. Those include John Oliver, Sebastian Maniscalco, Brewer, Cybarell,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel, Kevin James, Hank Azaria, Chris Rock, plenty of
Speaker 2: pictures of Chris Rock and Yank It's just saying, John Stewart,
Speaker 2: Ray Romano, Bill Maher who used to be a part owner,
Speaker 2: and Jerry Seinfeld also Johnny Mack, known Mets fan. S
Speaker 2: I was curious, why so comedians are Mets fans. Jerry
Speaker 2: Seinfeld said, comedians are attracted to well drawn, outsized personalities.
Speaker 2: We don't like people that officially go about their business.
Speaker 2: We like people that entertain you, and hopefully you go
Speaker 2: about their business as well. I became a Mets fan
Speaker 2: when I was just so entertained by the person and
Speaker 2: the color versus the Yankees, you know, orange and blue
Speaker 2: versus the depressing Navy. Jerry said, the Mets had a
Speaker 2: lot of personality last summer. I mean twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, if you're a Mets fan of twenty four,
Speaker 2: your branded for life. That was so much fun, partly
Speaker 2: because of how unexpected it was, especially after the way
Speaker 2: the season began. Oh my, we are awfully long today
Speaker 2: and a lot to get to, all right, So that
Speaker 2: was the A block. I'm going to quickly fly through
Speaker 2: the B block now and I'm going to cut some things.
Speaker 2: This weekend. I want to celebrate the life of Mitch Hedberg,
Speaker 2: who passed away twenty years ago this weekend on Tomorrow's show.
Speaker 2: Jeff Siegel is an Emmy Award winning filmmaker. He's the
Speaker 2: director of an upcoming documentary about Mitch Hedberg. So tomorrow
Speaker 2: is just Jeff and I talking about Mitch Hedburg. Sunday
Speaker 2: Friend of the show, Jason Zenneman from The New York
Speaker 2: Times will stop by. We already recorded this on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: We talked Hedburg for a little bit, and then I
Speaker 2: asked him about some other topics, including Mulaney and Bill Burr.
Speaker 2: We did not get to discuss Taylor Thomlinson, and that
Speaker 2: news dropped after we were done. Today's show has a
Speaker 2: third segment if you're in the Facebook group and feel
Speaker 2: encouraged to join us. By the way, I forget. When
Speaker 2: I was teaching my class on Thursday, I saw somebody
Speaker 2: want to join the Facebook group, and I loved that.
Speaker 2: Whoever it was, I love you for writing this, wrote
Speaker 2: I am a pornbot that immediately got improved. I also
Speaker 2: appreciate anyone who tries to get past my bouncers who
Speaker 2: understands how to answer what is your quest? Anyway, if
Speaker 2: you're in the Facebook group, you've seen Dylan post things.
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to somebody who had actually seen
Speaker 2: Hedburg live. I never saw Hedburg live, but Dylan had
Speaker 2: so In the third section of today's podcast, half an
Speaker 2: hour of Dylan and I talking about Hebburg and some
Speaker 2: other topics of comedy. As I mentioned earlier in the week,
Speaker 2: you know some stuff I've had to pull forward because
Speaker 2: I don't have the weekend to put things where they
Speaker 2: should go, and other things I'm just pushing to next week.
Speaker 2: So let me just fly through here with the stuff
Speaker 2: that can't wait. From TMZ. Comedian Mike Laser got heckled
Speaker 2: by a Trump supporter in the middle of his act.
Speaker 2: The heckler called Mike a Q quotes jew pig, and
Speaker 2: this whole thing is on video. Mike was telling a
Speaker 2: joke about sitting at a corner with his wheed pen.
Speaker 2: He turned his attention to one of the crowd members
Speaker 2: and asked the guy, how can I help you. The
Speaker 2: guy in the crowd said he wasn't going to listen
Speaker 2: to some jew pig Mike Lazer. The comedian clarifies the
Speaker 2: slur of the guy, admits it and keeps heckling. Mike
Speaker 2: asked him to leave. The guy says he's ordering a lyft,
Speaker 2: adding some more comments I don't want to repeat. Mike
Speaker 2: tells the guy to order his lyft outside. The guy responds,
Speaker 2: f you Jew. Then as the guy was leaving, he
Speaker 2: made a comment about supporting a political figure. This all
Speaker 2: happened at Lucky's Born Sioux Falls, South Dakota, a Sue
Speaker 2: Falls comedy group, apologized to Mike, saying the Heckler does
Speaker 2: not represent the comedy community in Sue Falls and was
Speaker 2: a random drunk guy who might not even be from here.
Speaker 2: This weekend in Rhode Island is the Lil Rody Laugh Riots.
Speaker 2: Some good names Kevin Hart, Leslie Jones as he'sin sorry,
Speaker 2: John O'Hurley and Patrick Warburton you know them from Seinfeld.
Speaker 2: Hannah Berner, Christa Stefano, Jonathan Vaness, Des Bishop and Ashley Gavin. Great. Great,
Speaker 2: great lineup guys. Oh wait, there's more. I missed the
Speaker 2: other paragraph. Josh Johnson, Melissa Vias, Senor Tone Bell, Sophie Buttle,
Speaker 2: Alec Flynn and Andy Woodhall. Wow. What a great festival.
Speaker 2: That is the Lil Rody Laugh Riot. That's your b block.
Speaker 2: Let me take one more break and then a full
Speaker 2: half hour with Dylan from the Facebook group talking Hedburg
Speaker 2: and other things comedy. We're now on to the port
Speaker 2: of the weekend where we're going to celebrate the life
Speaker 2: of Mitch Hedburg. I never got to see Mitch live,
Speaker 2: but Dylan from the Facebook group has, so I invited
Speaker 2: him on to talk a little bit comedy. So I
Speaker 2: was never able to actually see Mitch Hedburg. I think
Speaker 2: I might have met him early in the serious days.
Speaker 2: I don't actually remember, because it was one of those
Speaker 2: things where you just assumed the guy would be around forever.
Speaker 2: But I never actually saw him live. But you did,
Speaker 2: which is why I invited you on here today. So
Speaker 2: what was that like? How did you see him? Did
Speaker 2: you know who he was? What was the night like,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 3: I was familiar with him. I've always been a complete
Speaker 3: comedy geek. Just I watch everything. I would watch Comedy
Speaker 3: Central in the early days and all the short attention
Speaker 3: span theater, every single thing I could get my I
Speaker 3: could have a chance to watch.
Speaker 1: So I was familiar with him.
Speaker 3: I saw him under probably just about the worst circumstances
Speaker 3: you could see a comic, because you're in the football
Speaker 3: stadium with eighty thousand other people.
Speaker 1: It's basically their Florida University of.
Speaker 3: Florida's homecoming weekend called Gator Grau, and they would bring
Speaker 3: in two or three very big name comedians, and for
Speaker 3: this one it was Mitch Edburgh, John Pinnett.
Speaker 1: And D. L. Hugley Beard Mix.
Speaker 3: And the following year they had Tosh and Hotel and
Speaker 3: Jim Brewer and and then the last year I was
Speaker 3: in Florida, it was Harlan Williams and Bill Cosby. They
Speaker 3: would have some pretty pretty crazy lineups. But I was
Speaker 3: a member of the media at the time, so I
Speaker 3: had VIP seats so I could see it pretty clearly.
Speaker 3: But you would get thrown off in the stadium because
Speaker 3: the sound would go to the upper deck of the stadium,
Speaker 3: so you would hear them laughing like two seconds after
Speaker 3: the joke was told. There was like a reverberation back,
Speaker 3: so it would it definitely made the experience a stranger
Speaker 3: than typical comedy. Said, I think that's the only time
Speaker 3: I've ever seen a comedian in a football stadium.
Speaker 1: Heedburg destroyed. He was tremendous.
Speaker 3: The joke I remembered is an escalator can never break,
Speaker 3: it can only become stairs, which obviously I do it
Speaker 3: terribly in the retelling, but that was the one that
Speaker 3: had me giggling days later and repeating it. Here we
Speaker 3: are twenty five years later, and that's the one that
Speaker 3: I still remember.
Speaker 1: So he was great.
Speaker 3: He was so different from everybody else that you see
Speaker 3: people compare him to Steven Wright, and then you see
Speaker 3: other people coming up who have a Hedburg vibe to him.
Speaker 3: But he was just such a one of a kind
Speaker 3: comic that you just generally don't see these days.
Speaker 2: I'm having trouble imagining him in an eighty thousand seed arena,
Speaker 2: just because of so much of his act was about
Speaker 2: pacing and vibe, and I'm imagining drunks yelling out and
Speaker 2: it's just not working. But you're saying he crushed.
Speaker 1: He crushed.
Speaker 3: As far as I was concerned, I was sitting close
Speaker 3: so I could actually absorb it the people in the back,
Speaker 3: and I sat in the back when Cosby was there,
Speaker 3: and it's different.
Speaker 1: I mean, he came up, did his thing.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like And it's funny because you listen to
Speaker 3: podcasts and people will talk about I know, Dank Harvey
Speaker 3: played Gator Grawl in like two thousand and nine, and
Speaker 3: he was saying that it was the toughest atmosphere he
Speaker 3: ever played. It's just because it's so big, and like
Speaker 3: you said, people are screaming out random crap throughout the time,
Speaker 3: so it's it would be very easy to throw someone off.
Speaker 3: I remember Dial Hugley was thrown off considerably when he
Speaker 3: went up there. He seemed in a rush to get
Speaker 3: off as quickly as possible. But Panett and Hedberg were
Speaker 3: quite good in that particular setting.
Speaker 2: I remember Brewery talking about gator grawl, but at that
Speaker 2: time his closer was his ACDC bit, which is him
Speaker 2: singing ACDC with a band behind him. So you do
Speaker 2: that in an eighty thousand seed arena, Yeah, that's really
Speaker 2: gonna work well as opposed to just Mitch doing one
Speaker 2: liners and waiting for the laughs. Just what a tough
Speaker 2: room for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I'd had the chance to see him
Speaker 3: in a club. I don't even know if he was
Speaker 3: doing theaters at the time that he died. I saw
Speaker 3: something recently on him where Chad Daniels was talking about
Speaker 3: opening for him early in his career. Daniels has a
Speaker 3: great story about one of the jokes that he used
Speaker 3: was something that Daniels had said to him in a diner,
Speaker 3: you know what I like mashed potatoes, and he goes,
Speaker 3: you didn't even a chance to guess, or something something
Speaker 3: along those lines, a joke that obviously Hedburg and Crush
Speaker 3: when told the way he would do the jokes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel fortunate that I saw him. There's
Speaker 3: so many other greats that I either never saw live
Speaker 3: or I only saw them in situations like the Seller
Speaker 3: where they're doing fifteen minutes of practice or just working
Speaker 3: stuff out, because I saw Patrice and Giraldo that way,
Speaker 3: but I never saw them in a real setting where
Speaker 3: they're actually doing an hour or anything like that. So
Speaker 3: I feel fortunate that I was able to see Heberg
Speaker 3: at all, but I would have done anything to have
Speaker 3: been able to see him in a club.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about him a lot lately, especially in
Speaker 2: the adjacent say it. I'm trying to avoid the word
Speaker 2: shadow of Stephen Wright, and I think as I compare
Speaker 2: the two, and clearly there are similarities. Steven is presenting
Speaker 2: to the audience, whereas I feel Mitch was in it
Speaker 2: with the audience and we're all laughing at these jokes together,
Speaker 2: where Steven is just going, here's a thought, you laugh, now,
Speaker 2: here's a thought you laugh. Now, Mitch is like riding
Speaker 2: the surfboard and they'll do a bust a joke and
Speaker 2: get halfway through and be like, ah, that didn't work,
Speaker 2: and it's just it's funny.
Speaker 3: As weird as Heedburgh was. I think people could relate
Speaker 3: to him a lot more than they could relate to
Speaker 3: Stephen Wright. And I love Stephen Wright.
Speaker 1: I think he's a genius.
Speaker 3: But Heedberg reminds people of somebody they know just where
Speaker 3: you know, the stone guy who lived in your dorm
Speaker 3: or something along those lines.
Speaker 1: Obviously not as funny as Hedberg was.
Speaker 3: But I think people could relate to him a little
Speaker 3: better than some of the others who he's compared to.
Speaker 2: And I do wonder twenty years on what would Mitch
Speaker 2: Hedberg in twenty twenty five be. Is he still doing
Speaker 2: the stoner act one liners? Is he twenty years older
Speaker 2: and doing longer chunks? Like the stylized comedians tend to
Speaker 2: be shooting stars and the brick wall comedians are the
Speaker 2: ones that tend to have the longer careers. I just
Speaker 2: wonder if he might have been Oh yeah, that guy
Speaker 2: from ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Now, when was the last time Stephen Wright did anything?
Speaker 3: It's and again I'm not saying he's not still capable,
Speaker 3: but I've honestly never if he's touring. I've missed it
Speaker 3: over the last twenty years because I would see him
Speaker 3: in a heartbeat if he came anywhere anywhere close to
Speaker 3: where I live. But I'll hear him on He'll show
Speaker 3: up on certain podcasts. I think he's done Greg Fitzimmons'
Speaker 3: podcast a couple times, and there are a few other
Speaker 3: guys who he I think he did Jay Moore's podcast
Speaker 3: several years ago, but you generally don't hear much from
Speaker 3: the guy at all. Like you said, it's the twenty
Speaker 3: years later, it's hard to imagine he would have been able.
Speaker 1: To sustain that for that period of time.
Speaker 3: But I wish we would have had the chance to
Speaker 3: find out, just because you hate to see somebody be
Speaker 3: taken away from us who is very much in his
Speaker 3: prime at the time.
Speaker 2: So on Steven, I've been hosting the weekly comedy thing
Speaker 2: on Live one for ten years now. Somewhere in that
Speaker 2: ten year run he did release a second album. He
Speaker 2: has two, and I did see him in person. It's
Speaker 2: got to be twenty years ago now, maybe fifteen. And
Speaker 2: as much as I love Stephen Wright, his pacing, my
Speaker 2: brain was getting numb after an hour, like I needed
Speaker 2: the show to end. I couldn't take it anymore. I
Speaker 2: think Steven Wright's material works better in eight minute doses
Speaker 2: than an hour. As for Mitch, part of what we
Speaker 2: didn't get to see was he was very much in
Speaker 2: ascendency and we were starting to get into rock star Mitch,
Speaker 2: meaning that crowds were just rabbit about him. And Lynn
Speaker 2: Shawcroft had talked to me about how he had to
Speaker 2: speed up his act at the end and it was
Speaker 2: throwing off the timing. So it'd be curious to see
Speaker 2: what peak Mitch would have been like and how the
Speaker 2: act would have morphed during that period.
Speaker 3: It's like, obviously they're not similar comics, but the guys
Speaker 3: who rely on the quick, one liner, quick hits kind
Speaker 3: jessel Nick, And obviously I know jessel Nick is not
Speaker 3: a similar comic to Stephen Wright or Hedbird, but it's
Speaker 3: kind of the line, punchline, quick hit stuff that's a
Speaker 3: lot harder to sustain than the storytelling that I think
Speaker 3: Kreischer and Sigura and so many of the others are
Speaker 3: doing these days. I saw Shane Gillis a couple weeks ago,
Speaker 3: and his was very story based. I would think, while
Speaker 3: it's not unthinkable to imagine that somebody would be able
Speaker 3: to do that for an additional twenty years. I think
Speaker 3: it would be a lot harder than just saying, oh, hey,
Speaker 3: this happened to me last year, and here's the comic
Speaker 3: version of it.
Speaker 2: I'm doing the mental exercise of Mitch having to feed
Speaker 2: the modern social media beast. And I could argue it
Speaker 2: either way. On the one hand, I don't think of
Speaker 2: him as a crowd work comedian. But on the other hand,
Speaker 2: if you've got the crowd behind you, he could just
Speaker 2: and I'm going to just do an innocent slam of
Speaker 2: you here. He could be like, of course, because you're
Speaker 2: wearing a baseball cap, and if the crowd's behind you,
Speaker 2: as stupid as my baseball cap line is, if the
Speaker 2: crowds line you and that gets a laugh, the room
Speaker 2: is hey yeah baseball cap guy. Yeah, like we got him. Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There are people like that who, like you see the
Speaker 3: ones who do the crowd work really well. I don't
Speaker 3: see Hegberg obviously getting to the level where he is,
Speaker 3: because guys aren't doing crowd work in theaters and you
Speaker 3: would like to at least think that he's not doing
Speaker 3: the tiny clubs and if it can still come up
Speaker 3: with the one liners that he did from twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: then he might have been able to sustain it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it would be really interesting to have somebody who was
Speaker 3: like that to have the longevity that only the top
Speaker 3: guys really truly do, at least from a standpoint of
Speaker 3: not going from stadiums to theaters, to arenas to.
Speaker 1: The chuckle hut. Yeah, it would have been interesting to
Speaker 1: see what would have happened with that.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got you. Let's talk about some other things.
Speaker 2: You're one of the moderators of the Facebook group, which
Speaker 2: is Daily Comedy News podcast group. Thank you for keeping
Speaker 2: the porn bots away and for starting conversations regularly. I
Speaker 2: appreciate that at this point you absolutely watch more comedy
Speaker 2: specials than I do. There was a point, I think
Speaker 2: it was last week or the week before, where some
Speaker 2: thing relatively major came out and it was like nine am,
Speaker 2: and you hadn't commented on it yet, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I hope he's okay. Usually he would have watched this, but.
Speaker 3: I was visiting my kid in college two weeks ago,
Speaker 3: so I didn't see Bill Burr until like a week
Speaker 3: after it came out. For me, I've already Chelsea Handler
Speaker 3: came out at two am. This morning and I've already
Speaker 3: watched it. I that's my background where it's like I'm working,
Speaker 3: I have it on.
Speaker 1: I love specials, even bad ones. I'll trudge through.
Speaker 3: I do listen at one and a half time speed
Speaker 3: to be able to do something in forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: Rather than an hour.
Speaker 3: I know you have the issue of getting through. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's like you're ten minutes in and be like, okay,
Speaker 3: I feel nothing. I felt the same way you did
Speaker 3: about the Burr special, where twenty minutes in I was like,
Speaker 3: this sucks, and then after watching the whole thing, I
Speaker 3: was like, it wasn't horrific, but it was clearly as
Speaker 3: probably as worst special as he's put out. Granted that's
Speaker 3: a high bar, but yet I've always been thankfully. My
Speaker 3: wife is a as a trooper. I drag her to
Speaker 3: comedy shows constantly, where sometimes it's gonna be like, all right,
Speaker 3: you're going to this one, and then there are a
Speaker 3: couple other words, Yeah, this one's a little probably dirtier
Speaker 3: than you would care for.
Speaker 1: But she's a trooper with that.
Speaker 3: We don't get great shows around here, but we have
Speaker 3: been pretty lucky up in Green Bay, getting Gatsy and
Speaker 3: Sebastian and Mark Norman is coming here in a couple months,
Speaker 3: and we've seen Gillis twice in the last year. We've
Speaker 3: been pretty lucky as far as that goes. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I love the Facebook group. I love the site, and
Speaker 3: it feels the need that I hadn't found elsewhere. I
Speaker 3: had been looking for something where they're constant updates. I
Speaker 3: listened to the podcast first thing every morning, so it's
Speaker 3: the perfect way to start today. So I really appreciate
Speaker 3: what you do.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks so much. A couple things you mentioned made
Speaker 2: me think of Jason Zinneman and getting to know Jason
Speaker 2: from The New York Times a little bit. Has it
Speaker 2: really helped me in some ways because one a lot
Speaker 2: of the issues where we talked about where I'll get
Speaker 2: ten minutes in with special and bail, that's on me,
Speaker 2: that's not on the performer. As I analyze this, I
Speaker 2: can understand comedians can go up and crush for a crowd.
Speaker 2: But I'm admittedly a comedy snob because I've spent so
Speaker 2: much time listening to so much of it, and especially
Speaker 2: the years programming the radio stations, you know, listening to
Speaker 2: everybody's a material and the version of their a material
Speaker 2: that they chose to release on a comedy album. It
Speaker 2: fried my brains. So now if I get ten to
Speaker 2: eleven minutes into something and I'm not feeling it, there's
Speaker 2: ten trillion things to do. When I grew up reasons
Speaker 2: I love baseball, there were five channels and the Mets
Speaker 2: were on every night, So I watch the Mets every night.
Speaker 2: Now I've got infinite media. If I get bored, there's
Speaker 2: eight hundred hours of Star Trek I can watch. So
Speaker 2: if your comedy special is not crushing it, I'm just
Speaker 2: out and do I profile specials. Of course I do.
Speaker 2: There's not enough times talking to Jason and hearing him
Speaker 2: having also what I call Emperor of Rome syndrome, where
Speaker 2: you just sit there and go, oh that's very funny,
Speaker 2: great callback, Yes that is hilarious. Oh what a whitecrafted bit,
Speaker 2: but not laughing. That has been helpful to me. And
Speaker 2: then also for imposter syndrome. I was listening to Marin
Speaker 2: last night, both the Nick Fune and the it was
Speaker 2: the other one whatever, and they're all name dropping comedians
Speaker 2: and their clubs and talking about when they're hanging out
Speaker 2: in Malaney twenty years ago and I'm like a fraud.
Speaker 2: But then Jason reminds me I'm not a comedian. I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to be a comedian. I'm just like a fan,
Speaker 2: just like you are. I just chose to pick up
Speaker 2: the microphone and start talking about it. Chris Fleming, that
Speaker 2: was the other one. And it's more me than the performers.
Speaker 2: The performers are getting up, they've sold tickets, they have
Speaker 2: to crush here. But when I'm watching a Netflix special,
Speaker 2: I could just really quickly be like, what else is
Speaker 2: there to do?
Speaker 3: It's one of those where it's yeah, and I think
Speaker 3: I threw this out there in the group. It was like,
Speaker 3: what was the lastly truly great special? And I'm talking,
Speaker 3: you know, like because when people like, what are the
Speaker 3: best ones of all time?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, there are a couple of Carlins that
Speaker 1: I could list.
Speaker 3: Delirious obviously some I'm a prior's prior probably has three
Speaker 3: that Chappelle's killing them. Softly is when people are saying, oh,
Speaker 3: that Chappelle's best special of any of the ones that
Speaker 3: have come out in the last five years, and you're
Speaker 3: not even close just where So.
Speaker 1: It's like I feel very much like a snob as well.
Speaker 3: When the stuff is put up there, it's I haven't
Speaker 3: seen anything that's on the line of bigger and blacker
Speaker 3: or killing them softly or what am I doing in
Speaker 3: New Jersey or a here and now, anything along those lines.
Speaker 3: The one that I remember where I was like texting
Speaker 3: my friends saying, you have to see this was gillis
Speaker 3: Is Live in Austin.
Speaker 1: Just because that one absolutely destroyed me. I was laughing
Speaker 1: so hard.
Speaker 3: And even then, do I put that on the level
Speaker 3: of Bigger and Blacker or Chappelle's best?
Speaker 1: No? Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: As much as I loved Ronnie Chang last year, as
Speaker 3: much as I enjoyed I know you didn't like Schultz
Speaker 3: as much as I did. Even like the Ari Shafir
Speaker 3: won from this year. I thoroughly enjoyed roy Wood.
Speaker 1: Same thing. Are they all time greats? No, they're not.
Speaker 1: They're good. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I want to see something that blows me away,
Speaker 3: and I haven't seen anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think only four or five years.
Speaker 2: I think we're all chasing the drug that is the
Speaker 2: laugh that like really good belly laughed chuckle. And I've
Speaker 2: talked about this on the show and in the group,
Speaker 2: and I'm not getting any pushback. I think people are
Speaker 2: nodding an agreement that right now we're getting the same
Speaker 2: face as doing the same specials. So yeah, we know
Speaker 2: what Bil Burr is gonna do. We know what Bert
Speaker 2: Krascher and I like Burt's special. We know what Birt's
Speaker 2: gonna do if Sigora drops, we know what Sigora is
Speaker 2: going to do. When you mentioned the last great special,
Speaker 2: what came to my mind was Natalie Palomides Nate, which
Speaker 2: was just different and out there. And I tend to
Speaker 2: like the alty stuff a little bit, but that one
Speaker 2: was one where I watched it I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: that was different, and I evangelized for it.
Speaker 1: I haven't even seen that one. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: check that out right away.
Speaker 3: I fully respect your opinion on it, and yeah, I
Speaker 3: love ones that are interesting because it's all go searching
Speaker 3: for stuff where it's okay, this isn't I'm not the
Speaker 3: target audience here, but I still want to see Hannah
Speaker 3: Einbinder's One woman Show would have been one of my
Speaker 3: favorite things that I saw last year. I would have
Speaker 3: told you were crazy, but that was one that I
Speaker 3: couldn't get out of my head after watching it. So
Speaker 3: it's I'll go watch stuff even intentionally be like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna hate this, but I don't like criticizing
Speaker 3: something unless I've seen it where it's like uh oh.
Speaker 3: Earlier this year I watched that was at Chelsea. There
Speaker 3: was some redneck special. It's the one I have Lois rated.
Speaker 3: I actually gave it an f was like Pontoon something.
Speaker 3: It was like, okay, it was just too painful for
Speaker 3: anybody to sit through. And this Stefano, who I generally like,
Speaker 3: his special was horrific. I mean that thing that was
Speaker 3: an embarrassment. Did you ever watch Gringo Poppy by Brendan
Speaker 3: shab and they bring it up on Rogan or Tim
Speaker 3: Dillon brings it up a lot on his podcast. Is
Speaker 3: probably like one of the worst comedy specials actually put
Speaker 3: out on a I think it was a show.
Speaker 1: I don't know if a Showtime or.
Speaker 3: Amazon Prime or something like that, but it's one of
Speaker 3: those ones you watch and you're just like Hugh and
Speaker 3: I think the Stefano's was probably worse. Yeah, that's when
Speaker 3: you're I can't even believe Hulu put this out, but
Speaker 3: occasionally you see stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So what's your top specials of the year so far?
Speaker 3: I have schult Swan roy Wood, I think I have second,
Speaker 3: Ari Shaffir third, and then I have Kelsey Cook fourth
Speaker 3: and Bert fifth. I was thrilled that you liked the
Speaker 3: Burt one because I'm biased. I sat next to Bert
Speaker 3: on an airplane like twenty years ago when he was
Speaker 3: early in his career, and we talked like we were
Speaker 3: best for three hours, and so I always feel like
Speaker 3: I'm biased. But I'm never gonna sit here and say, oh,
Speaker 3: He's the greatest comic of all time. But he brings
Speaker 3: out the giggle factor with me, which is not easy
Speaker 3: to do and just where you're like okay, and I
Speaker 3: don't consider him like the lowest common denominator comic, but
Speaker 3: I will laugh at stuff and I'm like, oh mad,
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm laughing at this.
Speaker 1: He just does it for me, and I think it's
Speaker 1: very genuine with him, and I love the stories about it.
Speaker 3: My kids are similar ages to his kids, so I
Speaker 3: can relate to a little bit of that. Even though
Speaker 3: he has daughters, I have sons. But I just genuinely
Speaker 3: like the guy. I was thrilled that his latest special
Speaker 3: is getting I think people are basically saying it's probably
Speaker 3: his best special, which I think it probably is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just found it fun now. It definitely spoke
Speaker 2: to me also, a fifty something married dad, So I
Speaker 2: have that connectivity there, and I think, again the Emperor
Speaker 2: of Rome, I can break down comedy and I can
Speaker 2: see the matrix and what Burke did there was thing
Speaker 2: that actually happened, exaggerated for effect it step two you
Speaker 2: really ramp it up and go over the top, and
Speaker 2: then maybe the tag is something that didn't actually happen.
Speaker 2: But the basic premise there, you know, as a married
Speaker 2: man in the fifties, got what he was talking about,
Speaker 2: even if he told an exaggerated version of it, right,
Speaker 2: it was colorful, even if some of the details weren't real.
Speaker 2: The basic premise spoke to me. And I think that's
Speaker 2: why I connected with that special and found it very,
Speaker 2: very entertaining.
Speaker 3: I find him genuine and like you said, obviously I'm
Speaker 3: not going to sit here and say, Okay, this.
Speaker 1: Is exactly how it happened. I'm not that naive.
Speaker 3: But there are other ones where you watch and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's no way in how that happened.
Speaker 1: And with Bert, I.
Speaker 3: Have no problem with something being exaggerated for comic effect.
Speaker 3: I have no problem with people making up stories. But
Speaker 3: I know there's that fine line the has simonaj line.
Speaker 3: And I like Hassan, but I thought the criticism of
Speaker 3: him was over the top a few years ago. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I don't know, I get it
Speaker 3: on some level, But yeah, I love Bert. I took
Speaker 3: my whole family to see him a couple of years
Speaker 3: ago and they all walked out of there. That was
Speaker 3: a fun show. Where again, nobody's gonna say he's the
Speaker 3: greatest comic of our era, but that was a fun,
Speaker 3: fun show.
Speaker 1: So sometimes that's all you can realistically hope for.
Speaker 2: I'll ask you one more than I'll let you go.
Speaker 2: If I had a golden ticket, I can get you
Speaker 2: a seventh throw center for any living comedian. Who do
Speaker 2: you want to go see?
Speaker 1: Mullany? No question?
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I've seen most of them, even at granted
Speaker 3: I only saw at the Cellar. Actually I've never seen Rock,
Speaker 3: but I would rather see Malani right now than Rock.
Speaker 1: Trying to think of the other big ones who I
Speaker 1: haven't seen.
Speaker 3: I saw Chappelle when he was working out, killing him softly,
Speaker 3: so I've not seen him recently. I've seen Sigura, I've
Speaker 3: seen Burt multiple times. I've seen Gillis multiple times. Mulaney
Speaker 3: was here three years ago, like right after COVID, and
Speaker 3: I don't there was a reason why we couldn't go.
Speaker 3: But I've been kicking myself since then, especially since he's
Speaker 3: only blown up. This is the one that he was
Speaker 3: like straight out of rehab, and I loved his last special,
Speaker 3: especially like when he I've not seen his TV show yet.
Speaker 3: I watched almost other than sports, I watch nothing live.
Speaker 3: I'll go back and watch. I've heard it's not very good.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was just from listening to
Speaker 3: your podcast. Yeah, I know other people who are huge
Speaker 3: Mulleney fans who are like, just doesn't do it for me.
Speaker 3: I think I would like to see him in a
Speaker 3: regular late night structure. I would love to see him
Speaker 3: take over for Kimmel retires or any of these guys
Speaker 3: walk away. Like to see him even if it's in
Speaker 3: a standard network format.
Speaker 1: I think he could play to that.
Speaker 3: But it honestly blows my mind that, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: the best current touring comic couldn't even get on air
Speaker 3: it on SML during his time there, because he was
Speaker 3: by far the best writer they had. Yeah, he's the
Speaker 3: one who I would do anything to see at this point,
Speaker 3: because not so much that there aren't others that are great.
Speaker 3: But I've seen Seinfeld, I've seen Burr, I've seen Jim Jefferies,
Speaker 3: I've seen Jim Norton.
Speaker 1: All of the ones who.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying are currently great have been great at
Speaker 3: some point. And Mulanie's the one who I've not seen.
Speaker 2: You're smart about Mulaney. In my career, thirty years in
Speaker 2: a media now thirty five maybe something like that. When
Speaker 2: in doubt, you put a format on something, when something's
Speaker 2: not working, you put a structure on it. You put
Speaker 2: a gimmick, you go, okay, we're going to do five
Speaker 2: questions with Dylan and you just that way. There's a
Speaker 2: structure to it. If you analyze even my Dopey show,
Speaker 2: there's a structure to it. I usually put the eight
Speaker 2: comedians in the front and as we get back towards
Speaker 2: the end, Now I'm talking about something happened at a
Speaker 2: Mumbai comedy club. That's not going to lead. There's a
Speaker 2: structure to it, and I think you're right that if
Speaker 2: Mulany were actually put in a box, it would be stronger.
Speaker 2: I think they've leaned a little too much into the chaos.
Speaker 2: You've heard me talk with Mike Chisen about Letterman that
Speaker 2: as uncontrolled as it seemed, it was controlled, and David
Speaker 2: didn't like surprises. He just presented it as chaos. I
Speaker 2: think what we're seeing with Mulaney, especially in those caller segments,
Speaker 2: which absolutely have to go, it's actually chaos and not
Speaker 2: working well.
Speaker 3: You don't want a radio show type thing. It's television.
Speaker 3: You're watching it. Even as someone who listened to Stern
Speaker 3: for twenty five years, as soon as you would go
Speaker 3: to the phones, I'd be like.
Speaker 1: All right, what else is on?
Speaker 3: Just where I don't need to have some idiot call
Speaker 3: up and ask Artie why he's so fat or something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, seeing.
Speaker 3: Him in Okay, you're gonna come out, you're gonna do
Speaker 3: a monologue, You're gonna do this. And I wonder if
Speaker 3: Mulaney would find that to be too boring. But it
Speaker 3: worked at the Daily Show, It worked at every place.
Speaker 3: That's done it, and he's a better comic than any
Speaker 3: of the ones who are doing late night right now,
Speaker 3: and I like quite a few of them, but there's
Speaker 3: nobody out there now who.
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to watch every night.
Speaker 3: I do make a point of listening to the podcast
Speaker 3: version of The Daily Show, especially when Stewart's doing it
Speaker 3: on Monday night, because I do still think he's probably
Speaker 3: the best out.
Speaker 1: There now that Conan's not doing it anymore.
Speaker 3: Kimmel lost me a couple of years ago, and I
Speaker 3: was the biggest Kimmel fan for ages and it's not
Speaker 3: a politics thing.
Speaker 1: I could really.
Speaker 3: Cares to any of these people's support, but it's just
Speaker 3: not as funny anymore. And like Seth Meyers, his Corrections
Speaker 3: podcast is my favorite thing that he does. It just
Speaker 3: absolutely kills me. I listen to that every week. That's fantastic.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would love to see what Melanie could
Speaker 3: do in a Kimmel type format.
Speaker 2: He nailed it with Howard, even Pete Howard, there was
Speaker 2: a structure. Six o'clock hour was the Hey, what everybody
Speaker 2: do last night? Just yes and maybe talk about office politics.
Speaker 2: Seven o'clock get the extended family in here, make fun
Speaker 2: of the interns, make fun of the boss. Eight o'clock
Speaker 2: was the guest. Nine o'clock was the news. There was
Speaker 2: a format, same thing every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it was funny because I grew up in California.
Speaker 3: One of my high school friends, his brother was going
Speaker 3: to school in NYU, and he would mail back audio.
Speaker 1: Cassettes of Stern each week. You got to hear this
Speaker 1: guy and my friends.
Speaker 3: That was funny, and I'm like, yeah, give me the tape.
Speaker 3: So he'd give me the tape. I had my dual
Speaker 3: cassette recorder. I would record my own copy and I
Speaker 3: would listen to it over and over again until the
Speaker 3: next tape came. I was hooked on that until the
Speaker 3: show started to suck. I listened to Anthony a lot.
Speaker 3: I never really got into some of the other stuff.
Speaker 3: But yet, like Opie and Anthony, I thought showcased comics
Speaker 3: better than Stern ever did. Sure, and there really weren't
Speaker 3: that many comics that or I should say big comics
Speaker 3: that were showcased or became big because they.
Speaker 1: Were on Stern.
Speaker 3: I know Dapala was on a lot and Kennison was
Speaker 3: on a lot early on, but I don't think it's
Speaker 3: accurate to say that they became famous from being on Stern.
Speaker 1: While there's a long list of comics that you could say,
Speaker 1: but they went next level because of going on Opie
Speaker 1: and Anthony the same way a lot of these comics
Speaker 1: have gone to the next level by going on Rogan
Speaker 1: these days where where I mean.
Speaker 3: Like Ari was the one who I always thought he'll
Speaker 3: never graduate to theaters because he's too controversial.
Speaker 1: Even he's gotten to that level. You see where Gillis was.
Speaker 3: Two years ago and where he is now, and I
Speaker 3: think a lot of that is due to one, he's fantastic.
Speaker 3: Two going on Rogan almost once a month definitely helps him.
Speaker 1: Doing the protect our Parks has shot him to the
Speaker 1: next level.
Speaker 3: Mark Norman, who is pretty dirty for to go to
Speaker 3: the theater level, I'm seeing him in the theater in
Speaker 3: two months. I think he's a genius too. It just
Speaker 3: absolutely destroys me. I think he's another one who I
Speaker 3: think is one of the best working. Simmarill is another
Speaker 3: one who I have not seen who I would really
Speaker 3: love to see but haven't.
Speaker 1: Had a chance yet.
Speaker 3: If he comes to Wisconsin, he only goes to Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: If he came up here, I would go see him
Speaker 3: in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: I think all the guys you mentioned we're just seeing
Speaker 2: the pushback, not even about Cancel culture PC culture. I
Speaker 2: just think everybody has taken a step back towards.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: We're all friends, and we make fun of each other.
Speaker 2: And if you and I hung out every day, I've
Speaker 2: got quirks, You've got your quirks with bunch each other's
Speaker 2: chops about it. That's what's friends do. And I think
Speaker 2: that's coming across in a lot of the comedians you
Speaker 2: just mentioned that it's dude, we're just out having a
Speaker 2: good time. Don't analyze every sentence that said. And sometimes
Speaker 2: a joke is just a joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really unfortunate that.
Speaker 3: It's one thing when somebody comes out and says something
Speaker 3: really stupid and then they apologize for it a day
Speaker 3: later or something like that. It's another thing when you're
Speaker 3: pulling stuff from twenty thirty years ago and saying, oh
Speaker 3: my god, Jimmy Kimmel did blackface, but Jimmy Fallon did. Okay,
Speaker 3: if you want to say, hey, I regret doing this
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, fine, I get it. But even some
Speaker 3: of the comics who consider themselves woke these days. And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I don't mean this as like a knock,
Speaker 3: but Sarah Silverman or pat Oswalter, some of these people,
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, if you listen to my stuff from
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five years ago, I use all the words
Speaker 3: that we're not allowed to say anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like everything changes.
Speaker 3: But I think we're seeing less and less of that
Speaker 3: considering the show I just saw where it was because
Speaker 3: I saw Gillis when I was in Colorado and Big
Speaker 3: Jay was there.
Speaker 1: Although Big Jay, who I generally loved, was horrible. He
Speaker 1: was just clearly up there basically like sleepwalking through it.
Speaker 3: But Dan Soder was tremendous and the other guy, and
Speaker 3: they were talking about cancel culture where they're saying, this
Speaker 3: word's coming back, this word we probably won't hear again.
Speaker 1: You can imagine which one that one was.
Speaker 3: But you're basically saying this word's coming back, this word's
Speaker 3: coming back, and it's yeah, it's like just because of
Speaker 3: the way it's And again I'm not saying it's okay
Speaker 3: to use. I try to avoid using the same words
Speaker 3: in my when my daily life obviously, but I don't
Speaker 3: cancel culture on any level because it's Look, if.
Speaker 1: You don't think something's funny, don't watch it. The same
Speaker 1: thing that is the same criticism with Stern.
Speaker 3: Hey, if you don't, if you're offended by what he says,
Speaker 3: change the channel. I changed the channel on Stern because
Speaker 3: I thought I didn't like.
Speaker 1: The direction he was going.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and say should be
Speaker 3: taken off the air, because if he still has an audience,
Speaker 3: then he should be allowed to address that audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've written on my substack about it. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to sit here and say that I didn't laugh
Speaker 2: at a lot of things Stern did in the nineties
Speaker 2: that Stern himself has distanced himself from guilty is charged.
Speaker 2: Laughed at the most a different time.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that I hate that he has two
Speaker 3: channels that are fully dedicated to his stuff, and all
Speaker 3: of his best stuff is gone. He doesn't even play
Speaker 3: the nine to eleven show anymore, which blows my mind
Speaker 3: because that was something that I felt so connected to
Speaker 3: because like on the day that happened, I sat in
Speaker 3: my car and listened to it because everybody else went
Speaker 3: the news and Stern stayed on the air, and I
Speaker 3: just sat there and listened to it NonStop, and then
Speaker 3: I listened to it again that night when they replayed it,
Speaker 3: and it was so brilliant.
Speaker 1: And he's even distancing himself from that.
Speaker 3: So I find that to be sad, because as somebody
Speaker 3: who loved him for so long, and again, I don't
Speaker 3: expect the sixty five year old to do bout bongo fiesta.
Speaker 3: Like I understand people evolving, When people who had been
Speaker 3: guests on his show for twenty years, he just randomly
Speaker 3: just basically shuts the door on them, We're not having
Speaker 3: them anymore. I thought it was very sad that Gilbert
Speaker 3: wasn't on during his final days. The whole thing with
Speaker 3: Arty was basically what closed my door on Stern, just
Speaker 3: like I absolutely loved Artie and thought he brought the
Speaker 3: show to another level, but so many of these comics
Speaker 3: and people who he had on.
Speaker 1: That he just basically ditched. That never sat well with me.
Speaker 2: Poor I already worked with him a few times. Great
Speaker 2: guy in real life. But I remember we were at
Speaker 2: one of the comedy festivals and I'm going back a bit,
Speaker 2: maybe it was the Vegas one, and I said to Mark,
Speaker 2: my serious host while watching Already Live, Igo, if we
Speaker 2: wake up tomorrow and he's dead, not going to be shocked.
Speaker 2: He was just out of control. He's got demon's good guy,
Speaker 2: good soul, but boy, the demon's got him.
Speaker 3: I saw him on one of the Stern showcases, and
Speaker 3: it was a painful show because you're sitting there watching
Speaker 3: Richard and sal doing something that masquerades a comedy.
Speaker 1: And I think Yuko the Clown.
Speaker 3: Might have been there where I'm sitting there going oh God,
Speaker 3: like if Artie wasn't coming up, I think it literally
Speaker 3: went like stuttering John d' pallo and then Arty, so
Speaker 3: it was like, Okay, I just got to get through
Speaker 3: stuttering John. I generally like stuttering John, but as long
Speaker 3: as I can get through stuttering John, I'll be fine.
Speaker 3: Through to Pollo and Arti and Da Paolo is a genius.
Speaker 3: And then Arti came out, and there are comparisons to Chreischer,
Speaker 3: although Kreischer obviously isn't as completely messed up as Arty is,
Speaker 3: but the same thing where he came out and did
Speaker 3: all his shtick, but the crowd just loved him. And
Speaker 3: but like you said, if I'd woken up the next day,
Speaker 3: and they said he already didn't wake up. I would
Speaker 3: have been like no, shock there. It's not like Hedberg
Speaker 3: where you're like no, although I did not know that,
Speaker 3: and I'll be curious to hear you. I'll be curious
Speaker 3: to know if it was close to them, knew how
Speaker 3: bad his drug habit was. I get the sense that
Speaker 3: they did the same thing with Giraldo, And obviously nobody
Speaker 3: was stunned when Patrice died, but I still didn't make
Speaker 3: it any less sad, just because you always hate seeing
Speaker 3: these comic geniuses taken from us too soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it happens to so many. All Right, ten
Speaker 2: minutes ago, I asked you one last question, So I'm
Speaker 2: going to let you go. You won't have to listen
Speaker 2: to this episode because you already know what we said.
Speaker 2: But I appreciate you. Thank you for taking care of
Speaker 2: the Facebook group as one of the moderators. Appreciate you
Speaker 2: coming on. I think we'll have you back. Just I
Speaker 2: like talking to comedy and talking about comedy with people,
Speaker 2: and it's fun to just drop one of these in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate everything you do. I'd been looking for
Speaker 3: something like it for a long time. When I stumbled
Speaker 3: on it, I was like, this is exactly what I want.
Speaker 3: You do an amazing job. And I listened to a
Speaker 3: ton of podcasts, so it's like, when I start my
Speaker 3: day with yours, that's.
Speaker 1: A pretty big compliment.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Also, tonally try to do it as a morning show.
Speaker 2: I'm not a yellers screamer, so I think it's easy
Speaker 2: on the years at seven thirty in the morning. It
Speaker 2: is one of the pro designs of it.
Speaker 3: It drops at the perfect time and it's the perfect
Speaker 3: length for like first thing in the morning. Be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I got and I listened to double speed, so I
Speaker 3: got seven and a half minutes for a perfect way.
Speaker 1: To start the day.
Speaker 2: But I really do go to the National Donuts chain
Speaker 2: every morning. It just it tends to magically work out
Speaker 2: that my drive to coffee hits. Usually I hit the
Speaker 2: parking lot right as the show gets to the commercial break,
Speaker 2: and then I listen to the rest on the way home.
Speaker 2: But I do listen, not that I'm a narcissist. I
Speaker 2: listened to see if I made a production error, because
Speaker 2: every now and then I make a production error and
Speaker 2: then I try and catch it before everybody else does.
Speaker 3: No, I get it, and yeah, one of many shows
Speaker 3: that I listen to, but it's definitely in my daily routine.
Speaker 2: That's a long episode of Daily Comedy News Tomorrow. Jeff Siegel, documentarian,
Speaker 2: We talk about his Mitch Hedberg documentary and celebrate the
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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow.