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your support. So what if there was a government shutdown
and nobody seemed to care? What are? What are we
in day forty two? I think of the shutdown? Is
that where we are? I feel like we I don't
even know. I don't even know. They did another vote yesterday.
Let me pull out the the Reuter's piece here, Yes, okay?
US President Donald Trump's administration froze twenty six billion dollars
for Democrat leaning states, following through on a threat to
use the government shutdown to target Democrats' priorities. And by
the way, everybody knew this was going to happen. Not
only did Donald Trump like tweet about it or truth
about or social what do they call them? Truth? Social?
He said it, He was like, yeah, we'll start shutting
down stuff in these in these blue states. And then
of course democrats and media, but I repeat myself, they
were like, oh my gosh, he's weaponizing this shutdown. Okay, well,
you guys shut it down and spare me the arguments
about this being a Republican shutdown because they controlled both
the House and Senate and the presidency. Yeah, you need
sixty votes in the Senate. People, that's not a Republican shutdown.
They may have a majority, they do not have a
sixty vote majority, so they need some Democrats to go along.
And when no Democrats go along, they control the outcome.
They have the power to shut down the government. And
this was the standard, by the way, that was always
in play when the Republicans were the ones shutting down
the government. So anyway, you've got the you got the
president out there saying well, yeah, of course we're gonna,
you know, make it hurt you guys because you're the
ones doing it. We're going to you know, put you
guys into this vice grip between your base and your constituents.
And then at some point, like you'll have to figure
out who you value more. Right, But of course we
also knew that there was going to be the headlines
and the reporting, because once you start seeing the legacy
media outlets, as you know, the comms shop for the
Democrat Party, a lot of the reporting and the narrative
crafting makes a lot more sense. And so they were
of course going to use these headlines. Of course they
were going to say this. And the Republicans don't care
anymore like Donald Trump does not care. Republicans do not
care about the way the media is framing this any longer.
Let me jump over before I go back to the
Reuter's story. This is John Hendraker over at the power
Line blog. Trump says he will take advantage of the
shutdown to enact a reduction in force or a RIFF,
if you will, an RIF laying off large but unspecified
numbers of government workers. This is on top of the
one hundred thousand workers who have just taken advantage of
the administration's deferred resignation program. He says, I also think
most voters have seen enough shut down drama to understand
that it is much ado about very little, and the
goals that the Democrats are trying to achieve, you know,
another trillion dollars and spending are unpopular with most voters.
Ed Morrissey agreed over at hot air dot Com, saying,
I also don't think most voters care. This is inside
the Beltway drama for now, and it only matters to
the extremely online and the deeply invested partisans. He goes
on to say, it looks like the Democrats forgot how
shutdowns work. They just enabled doge on steroids. The director
of the Office of Management and Budget, the OMB office,
Russ Vote, who, by the way, former Congressman Dan Bishop
works for OMB. Now he works for Russ Vote. Ed
Morrissey says, this is Russ Vote's fantasy life and it
will only get worse from here. Right, You've just empowered
the guy who wants to fire a whole bunch of
federal workers. You just shut down the government, put everybody
on furlough, and now we're going to know who's essential
and who's not. And if you're a non essential employee,
then I don't think you probably are coming back. Thank
you Democrats for that. Morrissey goes on to say, expect
to see a lot of the journal list. Remember that
the journ o list for people who don't remember This
was exposed back in the early days, those wild West
days of the interweb, when there were list serves. People
would sign up, and I mean really it was like
a mass distribution and interaction platform before the rise of
social media and the group chats and stuff like that.
And there was a list serve that was created by
some reporters in the DC, well probably the essella quarter
from d C up to New York and Boston, right
the elites at the major publications and such, and they
had this list. They called it the journal List. Get
a journalist, journal list, and they coordinated coverage like you
could you because somebody got on, somebody got access into
the journalist and then they published him. I think it
was the Daily Caller that published a whole mess of
the of the messages. And you see these reporters literally
coordinating and then even bullying other reporters into covering things
through a certain lens, which we all knew was happening,
but now this was confirmed like this, they literally are
coordinating the coverage. So Morrissey says, expect to see a
lot of journalist narratives about vengeance, nastiness, partisanship, and so on.
Trump won't care, and neither will vote. Republicans in Congress
may get some pressure on the margins, but the onus
will be on the people who enabled this strategy from
Trump and Vote right, Trump and Vote are taking advantage
of the strategy you employed, Chuck Schumer, like this was
their idea. They wanted to do this. Remember the vote
to pass the Continuing Resolution, which I am not a
fan of, by the way, Like I would, I want budgets.
I want regular order restored to Congress. We have not
had a budget in Congress in I don't even know
how long, fifteen years. We just get this constant brinksmanship.
We gotta, oh, we gotta lift the debt ceiling by tomorrow.
Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, we're gonna default on
the debt. And everybody's like, ah, running around, pants on fire,
hair on fire. I should say, well, both probably, and
I think we've been through this so many times, like yeah,
we don't care until like it actually starts hurting. So
there's that. There's also this idea that, oh my god,
Donald Trump is hurting his political enemies. I'm old enough
to remember when Barack Obama's administration in the first shutdown
of my lifetime that I remember when this thing first
started up. It was I believe the Tea partiers who
tried to force a restraint in spending with a budget
vote in a cr The Obama administration closed national parks
and went further. Remember they closed sidewalks to prevent World
War II veterans from laying eyes on the memorial that
was just finished for them. And it was basically a sidewalk, right,
It's an open air concrete plaza kind of a thing.
And they put up barriers around it, and you had
hero flights that were flying in bringing these veterans to
see their memorial. And spoiler alert, you know, if the
Nazis on the beach at Normandy couldn't stop these guys,
your little class, the barriers didn't stand a chance, right,
They just pushed those things aside and they rolled in
in their wheelchairs. They did not care. Okay. You also
had the Obama administration blocking off the side of the road,
the shoulder on a road so you could not pull
over and take a picture of Mount Rushmore. They put
up a barrier around Old Faithful, the guyser. You know,
they put a barrier around so you couldn't get close
to the you couldn't take a picture, so don't tell
me that. Now you're like, oh my gosh, political enemies.
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has called it. Hello George, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Hi Pete. Thank you. When you talked about let's have
a budget, I just added dial up. I'm sorry, man,
we need that so bad, and I want to applaud
you for speaking those forbidden words in public. Get that budget, people,
That's why we sent you to Congress.
Speaker 1: Now, I will say, in Congress's defense, I think because
there's twelve appropriations bills and I want to say they did,
I think they've done more than half of them. So
that's progress.
Speaker 2: Ye, right, it is progress. It is progress. But here,
in my opinion, Peete, most of the things that are
conservatives in particular want to see done would be accomplished
if we simply made the balance the budget balance, because
there wouldn't be money for this stupid stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if that's I don't know if
I think they would find ways to do things they
you know, that they want to do. They would have
all sorts of budget tricks and gimmicks and stuff like that,
you know, because the federal budget they do like these
ten year projections, and so they're like, we're going to
do this now and it'll get paid for in ten
years from now. It's like, and then of course it
never gets paid for. So exactly, but I think it would.
I think it would restrain it to some degree. I
think you are right exactly. It would restrain the growth
versus what we have seen with this budgeting by brinksmanship.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And just one last thing. So I'm a Pat
Harrigan supporter voter, A campaigned for him last year, and
when he came back to Ardeau County last spring, I
was in a meeting with him and I confronted him
and I said, how could you vote for that budget
that rejected seven trillion in expenditures on five trillion in revenue.
And his answer, after he kind of you know, swallowed
hard and regained his composure, his answer was President Trump
didn't run on balancing the budget. And I thought, oh
my god, Pat, you know, have we lost you already?
So the corruption in DC is terminal. I'm not sure
what we're going to do to fix it. But yeah, well,
good people to d C and in six months their
their toast.
Speaker 1: So the Republican Party has not done a good job
of balancing budgets since Clinton was president, right, So like there,
so that it's on brand, right, I mean, the only
difference between the Democrats and the Republicans on this matter
is that, you know, Democrats don't promise to balance a
budget and Republicans have. And that has been a difference
with Donald Trump, who I always point out was a
lifelong Democrat before he became a Republican right a couple
of years back. So so this, the fiscal discipline has
never been part of Trump's pitch, and so Harrigan is correct. Now,
the fiscal discipline was the pitch of the Republicans, but
then they just never followed through on it. So I
guess at least now they're more honest about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need your voice, s feet, God bless you
stay healthy.
Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate that, George. Take care. Yeah, I
mean it's disappointing, but I've you know, this is why, Look,
I tell people this all the time, never fall in
love with a politician, okay, because they're going to break
your heart. They always do. So you're you need to
view these relationships as transactional because that's what they are. Like,
I want you to go do this thing, and you
will disappoint me because you're going to disagree with me
on something. Because nobody agrees with me on everything. I know.
There are a lot of people with the wrong opinion
about a lot of things. I don't understand it. But
we're gonna you know, they're not going to vote the
way I want them to vote on everything on But
so you have to look at it like on balance,
what are they saying? What are they doing? And I've
known for years, I don't know how long now, ten years,
fifteen years, Republican pay the lip service to fiscal discipline,
but they never deliver. And at least they made some
progress this year towards some appropriations bills being done. But
I'll believe it when I see it, you know, I'll
believe this idea that they will get that done, they'll
return to regular order. I'll believe it when I see it.
Because there are too many incentives for continuing the way
we are continuing with the brinksmanship, because it gives you
all these different levers to pull and ways to put
money in and put everybody on a deadline. Look, anybody
in sales knows this. With a you apply pressure. When
you're trying to make the sale right, you apply pressure.
And you could do that in a bunch of different ways.
One of them is to create the sense of urgency.
And so you're creating a sense of urgency by saying
we have to do it by this day, by this time,
and if we don't get it done, everything stops and
oh my gosh, end of the world. So both parties
know how this works. Well, I thought both parties knew.
Democrats apparently forgot. And here's the problem with these shutdowns,
which by the way, I'm not opposed to, right because
the only thing that to me is scarier than a
shutdown is when government is actually still functioning, Like that's
I don't I am totally fine with gridlock. I'm totally
fine with them not getting anything done. I'm totally fine
with them not like just stop doing what you're doing,
you know. So I'm okay with a shutdown. The people
who are not getting paid they will then get their
salt or their paychecks when government reopens. But the problem
with the shutdown, which people should have learned by now
because there have been what a dozen of them or so,
is that there's no off ramp for the party that
shuts it down to try to, you know, draw a
line in the sands someplace, like what's the off ramp
for you guys here? You're like, we're not going to
vote for this continuing resolution unless we get a trillion
dollars in new spending. That's what the Democrats are saying.
So if you don't get the trillion dollars, you can
never vote for that unless you then cave. And that
doesn't look good. So what are you gonna do? Where's
your row ramp? Here? You're holding out hope that they'll
give you half of that loaf of bread and then
you'll come back and fight for the other half. You're
dealing with Trump and Russ vote. They don't want the
government operating at the full employee headcount that you wanted to.
They don't want to fund these things, so you shutting
down the government. It doesn't matter to them. Russ votes happy.
He's fixing to draw up the list of all the
positions and programs and grants and stuff to stop funding.
They're working on it. They've already announced some of them.
Eighteen billion for transit projects in New York, another eight
billion for green energy projects. And sixteen Democrat run states.
There's your twenty six billion dollars that blue states now
are losing thanks to Democrats. Don't throw us in that
briar bratch.
Speaker 3: So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's,
and before he died, my mom and my dad took
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and family. But things are different today because of the
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Western Carolina. It's a great organization with awesome people with
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walk with me?
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This is why we walk.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, So back to the Reuter's story here on the
government shutdown, the Shuma shutdown. This is Reuter's. Keep in mind,
the moves made clear that Trump would carry out his
threat to take advantage of the shutdown to punish his
political opponents. Everything is cast through this prism and extend
his control over the seven trillion dollar federal budget established
by the US Constitution as the domain of Congress. Oh
so wait, okay, so now now, now we're wanting Congress
to do a budget Reuters. Congress passed a clean cr
and Democrats voted it down. Democrats refused to support it.
And so when there is no CR, there's no approved budget.
Executive is going to be managing the budget. Now, if
you don't like it, then go ahead and past the CR.
That's the off ramp. But you can't take it for
political reasons, internal Democrat political reasons. I'll get to that
some seven hundred and fifty thousand federal workers were ordered
not to work. Well, isn't that just like I don't
know every day that I kid I kid the federal workers.
Others such as American troops Border patrol agents, they are
working without pay, but again they will be paid after
the government reopened. The Department of Veterans' Affairs said it
would provide burials at national cemeteries, but would not put
up the headstones or mow the grass in the interim. JD.
Vance said at a White House briefing that the administration
would be forced to resort to layoffs if the shutout
shutdown rather lasts more than a few days, adding to
the three hundred thousand who will be pushed out by
the end of the year. Previous shutdowns have not resulted
in permanent layoffs because the Democrat presidents didn't want to
do that. The US Patent and Trademark Office said it
would layoff one percent of its fourteen thousand employees. See,
this is one of the things that never happens in
gov co. In the private sector, you do a reduction
in force when you achieve efficiencies. Now sometimes obviously you're expanding,
your business is growing, so you need to add more people.
But even when you do that, you're always looking for efficiencies.
And when new technology becomes available, or you know, you've
got higher profits and so now you can implement new
equipment or something that now you don't need six people
to do the job, now you need five people. So
private businesses are always doing this sort of this brush
clearing the undergrowth, right, because the larger an organization gets,
the more of that you get. It's just sort of
the natural tendency of large organizations, and the government is
a very very very large one. But the people who
would be making those decisions have an incentive to not
fire workers because those workers get to vote on whether
the ones doing the firing get back into their jobs too.
So it's like a mutually assured destruction kind of a scenario.
There so there's an incentive for elected officials not to
do this. Republican Senate leader On Thune dismissed concerns that
the spending freeze amounted to hostage taking, which is what
Democrats are saying now. And so for the record, in
case you are confused by this term now being applied
to the Republicans when they're not the ones that are
blocking the passage, here's the rule. When the Republicans block
a continuing resolution and shut the government down, that is
called hostage taking. Taking the American public hostage right. When
the GOP does the shutdown, it's a hostage taking. When
the Democrats block a continuing resolution forcing a shut down,
the Republicans are also doing the hostage taking. Okay, so
that was unclear before. That's the rule. In other words,
the Republicans are the only ones that know how to
do the hostage taking. Apparently Thune said, well, vote to
open up the government and that issue goes away, right,
I mean, it's pretty straightforward. Indeed, US Republicans hold a
fifty three to forty seven Senate majority, but they need
the support of at least seven Democrats to meet the
Chambers sixty vote threshold for the spending bills. Democrats say
Republicans are responsible for the disruption because they control the House,
the Senate, and the White House. But again, they don't
have a veto proof. They don't or not veto birth.
They can't get past the filibuster, which is sixty vote threshold.
They need sixty votes and so they need seven Democrats,
and seven Democrats have not agreed. They had three, so
they need four more. Republicans say Democrats were surrendering to
partisan pressures to oppose Donald Trump, even though they have
routinely backed spending bills in the past. They also repeated
a false claim. This is what Reuters calls a false
claim that the Democrat proposal would extend health coverage to
people who are in the country illegally. Not a false claim,
actually true, Reuters. It's actually true. According to the nonpartisan CBO,
the Democrat plan would only restore coverage to certain categories
of immigrants who are in the country legally, like asylum
seekers and people on work visas. I'm gonna explain why
this is problematic here, because what Republicans are saying is
true that you are giving it to illegal immigrants. But
what Democrats are doing is using parolees. They're saying it's
parolees which were admitted n mass under the previous administration illegally,
So that was supposed to be done on a case
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From the WBT text line, Joey says, Pete, I heard
somebody say once, and it's true. The only perfect politician
to a person is themselves. Otherwise there's always something Yep,
that's true. This is from Joey, who says, oh no,
this is a nine to eight zero number. What chaps
my behind. I'll say about the shutdown is that the
politicians who have no problems shutting things down still get
their check. I did see doctor Greg Murphy, congressman from
North Carolina down east. He said he is he has
told the payroll office or whatever he's like, don't give
me any pay so he's not taking a check. He's
not taken a salary while the government is shut down.
An anti Israel troll says it's time for Democrat states
like California, Illinois, and New York to escrow all federal
tax payments until the punitive leadership stops. California alone could
bankrupt the United States. Dude, we are like forty trillion
dollars in dead already, we are already bankrupt. So good
luck with that. Give it a shot. Yes, but you
want escalation. See, this is what democrats, this is what
they want when they're not in power, is the constant escalation.
This is what the authors of the Fourth Turning predicted
with this nullification fight, where you have a state versus
the Feds and they just keep ramping up against one
another and there's no off ramp for either of them,
and then you end up with nullification crisis. And then
you end up with a crisis, and that can be
very bad. And every time you end up in this cycle,
this fourth turning, each turning lasts about twenty years. We're
due for one. And every time you end up with
this kind of a turning in this winter season, if
you will, it's very bloody. A lot of violence, a
lot of people die, and there are a lot of
people who want that to happen in America. It's unfortunate.
I disagree with that. I think these people are ridiculously naive.
They think it's not going to affect them. They think
this is how we win, and you are so incorrect.
Everybody just loses. This is from Jim who says the
federal government shut down just two weeks to flatten the curve.
There you go, Let me give you the politics of this.
This actually, I mean, it's being called the Schumer shutdown,
and I understand why. Yes, but it might also be
called the AOC shutdown. Here's why, David stromatotair dot com.
Republicans are correct to label this the Schumer shutdown. It
is indeed Chuck Schumer who is the Senate minority leader,
and he's making the decisions. Obviously, Democrats hope that picking
this fight with the president will redown to their benefit,
about which they may be very mistaken, but time will tell. See.
This is also what Democrat voters are demanding. The base
is demanding Democrats take a bullet. That's what like they
they When you look at the polling, I've covered this
over the last six months or so, like they're angry
at the Democrat Party because the party is not doing
enough to fight Trump. That's why they're cursing all the time.
That's why they're picking fights, and that's why they're doing this.
They're trying to send a message to their base that
they are tough, that I'm gonna fight the orange hitler,
like that's what they're trying to do. So for Schumer,
this is a more personal thing, though, because he is
almost certainly facing a primary challenge from AOC who has
made no secret that she wants credit for the shutdown.
She has been inviting senators to her office to negotiate
a solution to the standoff. She's being portrayed as a
powerbroker in the Democrat Party, and the current griontocracy is
not at all pleased by this. The socialist wing of
the Democrat Party hold the influence cards right now. The
capitulation to an avowed socialist, The word democrat is silent
on that one. By the way, the first rung on
the it's the first rung on the ladder to communism,
and it should alarm Americans today. The Democrats are being
led by perky demagogues whose guiding principle is not fairness
or consistency but raw ideology. Okay, And so the real
threat to Schumer is coming from his left right. He's
going to get the center left, the moderates you know
in the Democrat Party. He's going to get them in
the general election, no problem. The problem for him is
does he get to the general election. He can't be
sure he's ever going to get a shot at the
general to get those moderate, you know, lean left Democrats.
If he can't dispatch of AOC, his fate is in
the hands of people who think AOC is the moral
leader of the party. Schumer, you may recall, has said
that shutting down the government is much worse than passing
a continuing resolution. He did that couple what was it
a year or so ago, and remember the blowback he got.
That's when the Democrat base turned on Schumer when he
caved to Trump. So what changed AOC. He's afraid of AOC.
So the Democrats are basically holding the country hostage, largely
because Schumer is scared of a socialist bartender who is
drunk on her own power. As David Strom at hot
air Dot com and he's right, by the way, he
is correct regarding the oh this was from Eric Erickson.
Democrats have declared Trump to be Hitler. But if he
makes permanent the temporary healthcare subsidies from COVID that cover
illegal aliens and restores funding for progressive television and radio stations,
he can go back to Hitler, ring to his heart's content.
That's like, yeah, that's the position now of the Democrat
Party is a curiosity of incompetence, says Ericson right. This
is about codifying stuff that was rolled back, you know,
bringing back and codifying things that were rolled back in
the One Big Beautiful Bill, which was the medicaid for
illegal aliens. That's part of this package. And Democrats have
said that ro Kana has admitted it. Maxine Waters has
admitted it. And the first step, Rob Henderson points out
the believers at the Manhattan Institute remember the steps right,
number one, first step and by the way, this applies
to a great many things. I noted this pattern back
when we were going over the voter ID law in
North Carolina Lo those many years ago. Right. Step one
is it's not really happening. You guys are lying it's
not happening at all. Step two is okay, yes, it's happening.
This is not a big deal. There's like no fraud.
It is so small it's not even worth pursuing. Then
step three is Okay, it's happening, and it's actually it's
a good thing. It's a good thing that it's happening.
And then step four is the people who are freaking
out that it is happening. You guys are actually the problem.
Those are the steps. It's not happening. Okay, it's happening,
but it's not a big deal. Actually it is happening,
and it's a good thing it's happening. And finally, you
guys who are objecting to it's happening, you're the problem.
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