1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from spring Like Studio a here at proven Winners, 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,480 Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,000 with Stacy Hervella, Me, Rick Weist, and our engineer and 4 00:00:14,039 --> 00:00:19,440 producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, today's show been there killed that 5 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:22,559 would like it back? I think a lot of people 6 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:27,039 can relate to this topic. And my philosophy going in Stacy, 7 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:32,159 is that losing everyone's lost plants. We've all killed plants, 8 00:00:32,679 --> 00:00:38,600 but losing is not the opposite of winning. Losing is 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:45,359 part of winning. We learned valuable lessons along the way, takeaways, 10 00:00:45,799 --> 00:00:48,479 so to speak, and we've done that with plants and 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,359 many facets. I'm sure of our lives and I've always 12 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:55,079 told people, if you haven't killed any plants, you're not 13 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,840 trying hard enough. And I didn't just fall off the 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,320 turnip truck. I have had a lot of experience killing 15 00:01:02,359 --> 00:01:03,280 plants in my life. 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: Stacy oof same. I mean, you know, before when I 17 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:10,000 was younger and just had houseplants, killed a lot of houseplants, 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,840 and then I finally got my dream garden, not quite 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,920 my dream garden, but finally got a house where I 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,359 could actually build a garden, and boy, has my plant 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,599 death teally gone up? 22 00:01:20,599 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Frank Sinatra said it best regrets. I've 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,359 had a few, but then again too few to mention. 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,920 I did what I had to do, and I did 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,159 it my way. So we're just doing it our way. 26 00:01:31,239 --> 00:01:33,879 And along the lines of this topic, And you mentioned 27 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:36,680 houseplants one of the first plants that pops into mind 28 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:39,200 for me. I think for a lot of people it's 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,760 a good example plant and that would be ferns in general. 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,120 So you know, yeaho oh boy. Over the years. Well yeah, 31 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:51,840 and the problem there is that ferns are just like me. 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,200 They love humidity, and they're in the problem. But maiden 33 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,599 hair ferns, like when they come into the greenhouse, they're 34 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,400 so cute, they're adorable, they're beautiful. I want one, I 35 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,239 want to take one home. But whether it's maiden hair 36 00:02:07,359 --> 00:02:11,599 ferns or button ferns or staghorn fern there's a lot 37 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:12,919 of them on the death list. 38 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,039 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I mean you you know, I feel like 39 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,080 that is probably one of people's you know, when they 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,800 first get excited about house plants and they go to 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,199 the garden center, that's probably like their first experience, really, 42 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,759 you know, having a bad experience with plants, and who 43 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,000 can blame them? You know, they're there, so they assume 44 00:02:33,039 --> 00:02:35,280 that they're going to have reasonable Karen structments or you 45 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:36,879 know what I really love when a fern is like 46 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,400 low light requirements. Oh yeah, I got that this is 47 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:43,280 going to be great, and it doesn't say anything about 48 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,520 the humidity requirements, which are considerable. So people just look 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,919 at the light and think everything's going to be hunky dory, 50 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,840 and it is far from honkey dory. And I, as 51 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:56,680 a young adult, for certainly killed my first maiden hair 52 00:02:56,719 --> 00:03:00,439 fern very quickly. And you know, the the other one 53 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:02,719 that they sell that attracts a lot of people and 54 00:03:02,759 --> 00:03:05,199 they pretty much immediately kill it is the Sela Janella 55 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,280 or rainbow loss. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, love those so beautiful, 56 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:11,639 but yeah, good luck keeping that alive in your average 57 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:12,719 household environments. 58 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: So there's lots of example. You know, let me give 59 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:19,759 you a little story example on this topic. Go back 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,680 to twenty ten. My daughter's getting married and we're having 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,159 a backyard wedding. So I'm trying to get the yard 62 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,199 just spectacular. The wedding's the end of June, it is 63 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,199 March and April of that year, we had three consecutive 64 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:39,479 weeks where the temperatures were between sixty and eighty degrees. 65 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,599 Everything flushed out. I still remember the night April ten, 66 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,599 twenty ten, got into the twenties. That night, Oh God, 67 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:53,199 the entire night. Everything fried the hosta, I mean everything 68 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:56,599 just fried. And it was a great lesson for me 69 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,479 as to the resilience of plants or juvenation of plants, 70 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,919 because a lot of these plants leafed out enough in 71 00:04:05,159 --> 00:04:08,599 time for the wedding in late June and looked beautiful, 72 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:11,120 and you would have never known that we had that 73 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,199 hard frost in April. And I take a lesson from 74 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,560 some of my friends in Florida because when they get 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,240 a freeze in Florida, generally we learn a lesson from 76 00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:26,279 them in that they recommend don't prune right away, be patient. 77 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:32,279 Dead foliage protects the live tissue looking to grow, don't 78 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:37,439 push with fertilizer, let nature take its course. And I 79 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,959 think those are good lessons to learn. 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,399 Speaker 2: I think those are great lessons to learn for anybody, 81 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:44,120 but especially our listeners. In warm climates, you are probably 82 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,079 dealing with a whole lot of that right now. Yes, 83 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,560 polar vorte and you know, I get it, like you 84 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:53,759 see all of this like gross black, squishy growth or 85 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:55,319 whatever it is on your plants, and you think I 86 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:57,519 got to remove it. I've got to remove all evidence 87 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:01,000 that this happened. But yeah, it does offer some protection. 88 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:03,120 And you know, even in warm climates like Florida, they're 89 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,879 not out of the woods yet for you know, it's 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,560 not going to be another polar vortex situation, but you 91 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,639 can certainly get a frost. 92 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,399 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I've seen Japanese maples that just look completely fried 93 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,279 and dead and then within a month refoliated. So it's 94 00:05:17,319 --> 00:05:20,600 it's a good lesson to learn, you know. Another plant 95 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:26,399 example for me is blue Atlas cedar. I love that tree. 96 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:29,759 I have a picture of one in my landscape for 97 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,120 our YouTube viewers, but it's a zone six plant. I 98 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:35,480 live in Zone six and when we have a polar 99 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,160 vortex winter like we had this past year, turns brown 100 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,000 and it's it's tough to take. And when I lived 101 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,680 further inland in Michigan, I was unable to grow them, 102 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:51,759 but I love the plant. So Ben there killed that one. 103 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:52,360 Another one. 104 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:54,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just thinking, you know, I know you like 105 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:57,480 to mention old songs. Yes, I'm just thinking in my 106 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,279 head of an old song, don't it make my blue 107 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,040 seater brown? Instead of don't to make my brown eyes blue? 108 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,920 Don't to make my blue seater brown? 109 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: Very good? I like that. I like that. That's a 110 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:13,759 classic song. Well, you know, and trees in general. It's 111 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:17,040 tough to swallow a loss when it comes to trees, 112 00:06:17,079 --> 00:06:21,879 and we all, you know, learned lessons over the decades, 113 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,879 Dutch elm disease, chestnut blight, and in recent history of course, 114 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,920 eab and green ash, as well as hemlocks, the wooly 115 00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:36,800 adelga and the damage we're seeing here along the lake shore. 116 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,480 And it's hard to move away from trees that you've planted. 117 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,240 I've had to move away from a beautiful ginko tree, 118 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:47,399 which reminds me I need your help, Stacy in finding 119 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:49,040 a skinny fit ginkle. Oh. 120 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: I wish I could help you. Those are going to 121 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,279 be so popular, but you're on my list. As soon 122 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:54,959 as I think as you one, you're going to get one. 123 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,959 Speaker 1: You know. A weeping beach, a weeping larch, a paper bark, 124 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,240 maple of down redwood. I've moved away from them all, 125 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:03,160 and it's hard to do. 126 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: It is hard to do, you know, when you fall 127 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,879 in love with something and you finally have the place 128 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,959 to grow it, they're the first things that you think of. 129 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:12,839 And I actually had a very similar experience, not with 130 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:16,720 a tree, but when I finally got my house, I 131 00:07:16,959 --> 00:07:22,399 had visions of the incredible meadow of gmtriflorum also known 132 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:25,399 as prairie smoke that I had seen at Chanticleer Gardens. 133 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:27,639 And this is such a cool plant. So it's a 134 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,079 native GM. Geum and it blooms in late spring with 135 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,079 these really cool cherry red flowers that look kind of 136 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,839 like Hershey's kisses, and those are really cool to see 137 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:42,480 and have beautiful lacy foliage. And then as that flower fades, 138 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:45,360 it turns into the prairie smoke, which is just this 139 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:47,759 beautiful clematist like and people have heard me talk about 140 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:50,240 how much I love the clematist seedheads, so it's a 141 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,079 little bit like that, but even whispier and so so lovely. 142 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:55,439 And so one of the first plants I bought for 143 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:59,439 my new garden was gmtriflorm prairie smoke, and you know, 144 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,800 didn't really realize that it is not going to make 145 00:08:02,839 --> 00:08:08,000 it in my doney, very dry, very sunny garden, and 146 00:08:08,079 --> 00:08:11,160 that poor thing evaporated faster than you could say GM triflorum, 147 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,439 and that is a pretty short botanical name. And I 148 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,959 tried subsequently because you know, I thought, hey, I've seen 149 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 this thing self so like crazy, this is going to 150 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,519 be so dreamy and yeah, and I would like it back. 151 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:24,240 I wish I had the conditions to grow it. But 152 00:08:25,279 --> 00:08:28,560 I am as guilty as so many other gardeners of 153 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,199 wishful thinking, right, you know. And that's but again, that's 154 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,240 not a failure. That's not a loss. I lost the plant, 155 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,519 but I learned a lot and through all of that 156 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,279 in trial and error, and I've discovered new plants that 157 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:44,240 I might not have ever purchased if I had succeeded 158 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,559 with the prairie smoke in the first place. 159 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:49,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever kills your plant makes you better, Yeah, something 160 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,039 along that line. I'm trying to wax philosophical. Now that works, 161 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:55,559 make you feel better about it. But yeah, so I'm 162 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:58,840 always pushing that type of thing too. Out of zone. 163 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Don't be afraid to kill a few plants. Here's my 164 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:06,159 out of zone limb a rick this week. You need 165 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,559 to cut me some slack for giving tender plants all 166 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,039 whack not hardy in my zone. I really should have 167 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,000 known been there now I want it back. Been there, 168 00:09:17,159 --> 00:09:22,159 killed that in impulsive purchase, fell flat. But this plant 169 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:26,080 is primed for an encore. Welcome back to my yard 170 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,399 for more. I'll roll out the welcome mat. And it's true. 171 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,559 Through the years, I've watched people buy plants like they 172 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,039 buy lottery tickets. They go in thinking this ain't gonna work, 173 00:09:38,039 --> 00:09:39,840 but then they go back for more, and I think 174 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,000 that that's great. I'm encouraging people to do it well. 175 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: It's true, and there are a lot of things that 176 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,720 can change, you know. For example, if you start with 177 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:51,519 a bigger plant, perhaps than your first try, then you 178 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:53,559 can actually be more successful than you would have been 179 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,120 with just the smaller one that you started off with. 180 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,240 So it's almost always worth another try. 181 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,639 Speaker 1: Yeh, Stacy, So what I've always said, You know what 182 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,360 I've said, There's always more room for jello and plants. 183 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,320 That's true, So get out there and take some chances. 184 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:11,159 Let's see how Stacey ties this in with plants on trial. 185 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,480 That's coming up next here on the Gardening Simplified. 186 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:24,159 Speaker 2: Show, Beautify Your Home and community with proven Winner's Color 187 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,120 Choice Shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique 188 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,240 varieties to choose from. There's a flowering shrub or evergreen 189 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:33,039 for every taste and every space. Just look for the 190 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,159 distinctive white container your local garden center or learn more 191 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:41,559 at proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's Gardening friends, 192 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,240 and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show where we're 193 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:47,279 talking about been there, killed that, and want it back, 194 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,200 specifically as it pertains to the plants in our lives, 195 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,799 because yeah, we're all victims of wishful thinking, and when 196 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,679 we come across that plant at the garden center, you know, 197 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,480 we kind of can't help it and we give it 198 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:01,919 a try. But that's how you learn. I mean that 199 00:11:02,039 --> 00:11:04,279 really is what it means to be a gardener is 200 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,960 to you know, get these plants, try them out, and 201 00:11:08,639 --> 00:11:12,159 you know, if something says that it needs moist soil 202 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:15,960 and it ends up shrinking down to just a little 203 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,960 dust speck in your in your landscape, then you kind 204 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,360 of start to know, I don't have moist soil, I 205 00:11:23,399 --> 00:11:25,960 have dry soil. And you may have noticed if you 206 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,120 are joining us on YouTube that Rick and I are 207 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:32,759 happen to be wearing black, as does Adriana, and this 208 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:36,399 coincidence we are chalking up to mourning for all of 209 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,639 the plants that we have killed in our in our past. 210 00:11:40,759 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and full transparency, we do not communicate together. No, 211 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,360 we don't as to what we're going to be wearing. 212 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,919 And I thought I'd take the Johnny Cash approach today, 213 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,759 So yeah, and appropriately, so, I guess. 214 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: So, you know, it's okay to mourn for the plants 215 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,279 that you that have passed on that you attempted to grow. 216 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,080 But what's not okay is to dwell on that and 217 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,759 to beat yourself up for it, because you know, we 218 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,440 can only do so much. And whenever we're gardening or 219 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,679 growing houseplants, we're taking a plant out of its native environment, 220 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:14,279 out of all of those factors that really help that 221 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,879 plant thrive, and putting it somewhere else. And really the 222 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,639 success in gardening comes to, you know, a plant's ability 223 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,879 to withstand a wide range of conditions so that as 224 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:27,360 it gets further away from that natural environment, it can 225 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:32,120 adapt or to replicate those exact conditions so precisely that 226 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:32,879 it can still live. 227 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:37,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, Stacy you're outside the norm because 228 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,480 I know that you love succulents and you're very good 229 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:45,000 at growing succulents. But boy, there's a lot of people 230 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,440 over the craze the last ten years or so who 231 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,639 have killed succulents and been frustrated. 232 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, or you know, the other thing that people 233 00:12:53,399 --> 00:12:57,120 get frustrated with suculents is the dulation when the especially 234 00:12:57,159 --> 00:12:59,919 like the echavarias and stuff, when the center starts to 235 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:02,360 get real tall and they think, what's happening. I bought 236 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,919 this cute rose out of a plant, and yeah, that's 237 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,600 that's just what's happening because it's out of its environment. 238 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,679 But as a plant company like proven Winter's Colored Choice Shrubs, 239 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,120 it might not come as a big surprise to you 240 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:17,519 that we don't really like to talk a lot about 241 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,039 our plants dying, you know, and that makes sense, right. 242 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,360 We try and test our plants so that you can 243 00:13:23,399 --> 00:13:26,720 be successful. The plants are living things, and you know, 244 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:29,360 over the many years that I have been here, I 245 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,720 have heard from many many gardeners who have unfortunately killed 246 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:37,799 one of our plants that they purchased. And so, in 247 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,759 the spirit of been there killed that want it back, 248 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,159 I thought that I would talk about our most killed 249 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,879 proven winner's colored choice shrubs. Well, it is interesting because 250 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,600 as I sat down to think about it, this is 251 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,879 going to seem very ironic at first. By far, our 252 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,919 most killed shrubs are some of our best sellers. Oh 253 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,960 and those two plants are panical hydrangeas and lilacs. Really, yes, 254 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,399 and the reason for this so those are very popular. 255 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,120 So of course, on the one hand, if a plant 256 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:16,759 is very popular, that means there are more of them 257 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:19,399 out there, more people trying it, and therefore a greater 258 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,279 chance that someone is going to inadvertently kill their new 259 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:28,519 purchased lilac or panical hydrangea. But that's not entirely it, 260 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:32,879 because they're actually both quite durable plants. But they have 261 00:14:32,919 --> 00:14:37,360 a kryptonite, a weak point, and that is that neither 262 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:42,080 of them can withstand poor drainage or too much water. Oh, 263 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,799 and that is why these plants are These two are, 264 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:48,480 by far, in all my fifteen years of being here 265 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,440 and helping home gardeners with their problems, far and away 266 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,759 the two that are most killed Limelight, which you know, 267 00:14:53,879 --> 00:14:55,960 I'm sure we have so many listeners right now thinking 268 00:14:56,279 --> 00:14:59,759 people are killing limelight, like my Limelight has been through everything. 269 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:02,759 It is a beast. But I can tell you I 270 00:15:02,759 --> 00:15:04,720 have heard from so very many people who have killed 271 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:08,000 Limelight as well as their other panicle hydrangees, because they 272 00:15:08,039 --> 00:15:11,720 get so excited about bringing this home, having it in 273 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:14,600 their garden and they think, I am going to make 274 00:15:14,759 --> 00:15:18,759 the perfect home for this new plant. I'm going to 275 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,840 dig a hole. I'm going to fill it up with 276 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:27,080 some nice fluffy compost top soil, sphagnum, moss, fill in 277 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,240 the blank. It could be any of these things, potting mix, 278 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,360 It goes on and on. Garden soil is one another 279 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,159 thing that they sell. So they dig the hole, they 280 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,919 fill it up with this nice, rich, fluffy mix that 281 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:40,639 they've purchased from the garden center. They put the plant 282 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,919 in there, and they have just created the worst possible 283 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:47,960 conditions for either a panicle hydrangea or a lilac. Because 284 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:52,399 what that does, Yeah, because it's well intentioned. So you know, 285 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:55,360 we've been talking a lot about killing plants kind of 286 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,919 as a wishful thinking, like I wish I could grow this, 287 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,360 and I can't. My conditions aren't right, my zone is right. 288 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:06,279 This is more of a love to death kind of approach. Wow. 289 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,679 Speaker 1: I think Johnny Cash did a song on this. It's 290 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:12,360 called the Walk the Lawn. 291 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,639 Speaker 2: I wish I had to come back for that, but 292 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:23,200 I'm I'm scrambling through my mental you know file of 293 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,799 Johnny Cash songs. I'll get back to you on that one. 294 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:28,759 But okay, So what happens when they do this, especially 295 00:16:28,759 --> 00:16:30,840 if they have clay soil? And it is precisely the 296 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:33,799 people who have clay soil who are most likely to 297 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:36,720 do this because they think, like, oh, the soil is 298 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:38,919 so hard and so difficult to grow, and so I 299 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:42,320 need to make this nice, beautiful, fluffy environment. But when 300 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,720 you do that, what happens is you create literally a bathtub. 301 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:50,279 So the bathtub is that hard clay soil around the hole, 302 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,120 and then you put the soil in the you know 303 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,240 amendment inside and the plant inside. And then when you water, 304 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:00,639 that fluffy amendment can hold onto so much water so 305 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,359 much more quickly than the surrounding soil, so it infiltrates 306 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,759 into the hole very quickly. But then what happens is 307 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,240 all of those airspaces in that fluffy amendment are holding 308 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,680 onto water directly around the plant roots, and it takes 309 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,160 forever for it to leak out into those tiny, little 310 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,359 dense you know, soil particles that surround that fluffy hole. 311 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,920 And both panicle hydrangeas and lilacs are extremely susceptible to 312 00:17:28,039 --> 00:17:29,799 this condition. In fact, I would say it is the 313 00:17:29,839 --> 00:17:31,279 only thing that can take them down. That's why I 314 00:17:31,279 --> 00:17:33,640 would say it's their kryptonite, because you know, nothing really 315 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,400 takes Superman down except kryptonite. Similarly, nothing will take these 316 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,680 stup plants down because they're both really hardy, easy to grow, 317 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,440 you know, not super finicky like I mean, Lilacs are 318 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,799 a full sun plant. Panicle hydranges can take some shade, 319 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,880 not finicky about pruning or anything like that. Pretty disease resistant, 320 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,400 pest resistant. But yeah, their kryptonite is too much water 321 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,880 and or poor drainage. And people love them to death. 322 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: That's why when I'm helping out people in the garden center, 323 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:05,240 I will always say to them, don't dig a hole, 324 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,400 just mix the existing parent soil fifty to fifty with 325 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:13,319 whatever you're going to amend with. I think your odds 326 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:15,079 are greatly increased if you do that. 327 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And that's the other thing is so 328 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,400 generally we do not recommend amending the soil, because I 329 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,119 think it's too long of a story to accurately tell. 330 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,240 So you know, in the little tiny space that we 331 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:28,680 have on our plant tags, we do not recommend amending 332 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,200 the soil. If you do want to amend the soil, 333 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,039 yes it is possible, but you absolutely positively have to 334 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:38,240 thoroughly incorporate the amendment. And by amendment, I mean the 335 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,640 compost or topsoil or garden soil or whatever it is 336 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:44,119 that you're adding. You have to thoroughly incorporate that with 337 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,559 your parent soil or the soil that you excavated. And 338 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:50,880 you know, again, since we're talking mostly about people who 339 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,359 have clay soil who are doing this, amending that soil 340 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,680 that you dug out is so much easier said than done, 341 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:00,240 because what did you pull out? Like a giant unk 342 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:00,640 of clay. 343 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: It's hard work, not. 344 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,319 Speaker 2: You know, like a nice soil that you can easily 345 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,119 mix in. So you're out there like chopping the thing up, 346 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:09,960 you know, the giant claw to clay and trying to 347 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,400 mix it. And so it's just it doesn't work out 348 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,799 as well in practice as it does in theory. So 349 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,599 the best thing you can do is not to say 350 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,799 that you can't grow these plants. You can, but if 351 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:23,599 you have clay soil and you are growing them, only 352 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,759 plant directly into your native soil and be very careful 353 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,680 about watering. Yeah, a lot of times you'll hear people say, oh, 354 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,680 I planted this new plant, and I'm watering it, you know, 355 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:36,079 every other day or whatever. If you have clay soil, 356 00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:39,559 you may not actually need to water that often because 357 00:19:39,559 --> 00:19:42,799 clay soil is excellent at holding onto water, which is 358 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,000 part of the problem in this specific case. So always 359 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,559 water by feel. Don't water a new plant just by 360 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,920 route or a program or anything like that. 361 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: Schedule, don't do it. 362 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:56,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, actually check out what is going on. Once you 363 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,680 get these plants established, they are going to be much 364 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:04,279 much much more resilient in the face of these challenges. Still, 365 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,759 neither of them will really thrive in a situation where 366 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:08,599 they have, you know, a lot of wet feet for 367 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,519 a prolonged period, but they're going to be much better 368 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:15,359 able to withstand that once they are established. But really 369 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,319 it's that and I'd say this is the case with 370 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,480 anything that I think you or I have killed. It's 371 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,960 really that first year or so that is the really 372 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:27,519 crucial time, and if a plan is going to fail, 373 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:31,920 it's almost always within that brief period, not years down 374 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,799 the line. So you really just need to get it 375 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:37,279 through those first couple of years. And even though I 376 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:40,720 did have a couple of other most killed plants on 377 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:42,759 my list, that's all we really have time for. But 378 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,640 you know, just briefly, we've talked about it before. Rhododendron, 379 00:20:46,039 --> 00:20:48,079 let's touch on it and segment four, all right, let's 380 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,920 do it all right with that, we're going to take 381 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:59,400 a little break, so please stay tuned at proven Winner's 382 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,759 Color Choice Shrub. We know that a better landscape starts 383 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:05,559 with a better shrub. Our team of experts tests and 384 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:08,559 evaluates all of our flowering shrubs and evergreens for eight 385 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,799 to ten years to ensure they outperform what's already on 386 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,960 the market. For easy care, reliable, beautiful shrubs to accentuate 387 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,880 your home and express your personal style, look for Proven 388 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,720 Winner's Shrubs in the distinctive white container at your local 389 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,599 garden center or learn more at proven Winner's Color Choice 390 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,480 dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back to the 391 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:32,799 Gardening Simplified Show, where we're talking all about plants that 392 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,200 we bought killed and wished we could have back. Because 393 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,599 there's also a lot of plants that I have bought 394 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:42,480 and killed in you know, Yeah, I don't really care 395 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:45,000 if it's coming back or not, but there are a 396 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:47,400 lot that you know, I really wish that I could 397 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,559 grow and can't, whether it's a matter of deer or 398 00:21:50,839 --> 00:21:52,720 dry soil, or. 399 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: Or just get past the guilt. Yeah, the guilt of 400 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:56,759 killing it. 401 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel guilty. 402 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel guilty. 403 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: About killing well sometimes you don Redwood. It was the 404 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,079 Don Redwood. 405 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just I don't know. 406 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:10,519 Speaker 2: Well, you know, again, it's how you learn as a gardener, 407 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:13,759 and more importantly, it's how you evolve your own garden, 408 00:22:13,839 --> 00:22:17,680 because as you discover what is what actually works in 409 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:21,880 your yard, then you know it's much better. In my opinion, 410 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,759 I have become the kind of gardener who is not 411 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,079 like I'm going to do whatever it takes to grow 412 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,200 this plant because I want this specific plant. I have 413 00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:30,079 become the kind of gardener who's like, I don't really 414 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,720 want to work that hard. I want stuff that wants 415 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:33,720 to be here, right. 416 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,799 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I personally believe it's better 417 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:42,440 to learn from other people's mistakes than your mistakes, so 418 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:46,200 be observant in your neighborhood, what works you know in 419 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,960 your region. I think that's important too. 420 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: That is also easier said than done, because as my 421 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:54,799 good friend always says, you can't tell anybody anything. They 422 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,799 have to learn it for themselves. And truer words were 423 00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:01,759 never spoken. That is, you know, we can tell people 424 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:07,000 were all day long, but until you discover it for yourself, 425 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:09,519 like you can say, well, GM tryfluorum sounds pretty great. 426 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,000 I'm going to try GM trifluorum in my yard and 427 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,599 I'm going to show Stacey. And you know, if you 428 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:19,519 don't have dry soil in full sun, you might not 429 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:22,359 be so successful. But you should still try because that again, 430 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,880 we never want to be discouraging and I didn't want 431 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,799 to be discouraging in plants on travel either when I 432 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:29,599 talked about the most killed proven winners colored choice shrubs. 433 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:32,000 But I want people to understand that it's not an 434 00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:37,799 inherent fault in the plants. It's a problem of where you're. 435 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: Putting them exactly. Because cultivars today are amazing compared to 436 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,759 what I used to deal with in the seventies and eighties. 437 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:50,480 The advancements in the last ten to twenty years. Unbelievable. Yeah, 438 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:54,680 the heartiness, drought resistance, heat resistance, it's incredible. 439 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,799 Speaker 2: And plants are more vigorous. You know, we're looking for 440 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:58,680 plants that are more vigorous and that means they're going to, 441 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:03,359 you know, ideally be better able to withstand the challenges. But 442 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:05,720 speaking of challenges, it is the time of the show 443 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:07,960 where it's our pleasure to help you with your garden questions, 444 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,680 quandaries and conundrums and celebrations of course, and we had 445 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,440 a few of those come in, but I was having 446 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,799 trouble with my computer downloading photos. So maybe next time 447 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,319 we will go over some of the great advice in 448 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,960 celebrations that we have received from some of our listeners recently, 449 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:25,680 but just could we not get the computer to download 450 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,119 the pictures this time anyway, So if you have a 451 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,920 question for us, you can always reach us at Gardening 452 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,519 Simplified on air dot com. You just click on the 453 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:35,960 contact us tab. You can write us a note right 454 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,519 there and even send in a picture, which is always 455 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,240 helpful when you're asking a question about a specific plant 456 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:43,359 in your yard or what's going on with something. You 457 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,920 can also leave a comment on the YouTube version of 458 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,759 the show because Adriana reads all of those comments and 459 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,119 passes those questions on to us. So what do we 460 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,200 got in the mailbag this week? 461 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: All right, right off the top, writing to you gardening 462 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:02,960 experts for advice on using composts. I recently started using 463 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,359 an in home composting machine and curing my own compost 464 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:11,160 in the garage. Do I need to test it for 465 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,680 any reason before applying it to plants? Any plants that 466 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:20,759 I shouldn't put it on? So yes, maintain your composture 467 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:24,799 and move forward. You know, I think of the phrase 468 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,279 garbage in garbage out. I was coined in the late 469 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,039 fifties early sixties when IBM was the craze and we 470 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:36,400 thought about computers. You know, it was foreign to us 471 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:38,519 at the time. I was just a little tight. But 472 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,119 compost is the same way garbage in garbage out. 473 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I mean, compost is garbage. 474 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,319 Speaker 1: It's garbage. It's you know, good there's good garbage and 475 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,119 there's bad. 476 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,839 Speaker 2: Garb, right, I mean, but as long as you're composting 477 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,599 vegetable scraps anything like that, I mean, yeah, your carrot 478 00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:57,839 peelings are probably garbage or would go in the garbage, 479 00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:00,240 but they're perfectly acceptable at the repost. So what be 480 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:02,720 a garbage like, what's garbage compost to you? 481 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:08,319 Speaker 1: So certain types of manure. I'm trying to be gentle here. 482 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: Uh right, so that's a little different. I was going 483 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,519 to mention the manure too. You do need to be 484 00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:16,799 careful with manure. And I don't think you're making putting 485 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,960 manure into your home composting machine most likely. 486 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,039 Speaker 1: I understand, but I have seen it, and I have 487 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,160 people ask before, like their pets. 488 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, don't put that in there. So 489 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:31,599 I'm just throwing it out here is a dog owner, 490 00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:33,240 and you should have just seen the face that she 491 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,680 may at the mere thought of composting that. No. But 492 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,640 but okay, so first of all, as far as manures do, no, 493 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,200 it's I was going to mention it because that is 494 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:47,640 the only condition really that I can think of where 495 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,599 uh there might be an issue with putting it on plants, 496 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:54,799 because especially so you generally do not compost the manures 497 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:58,079 of carnivorous animals. Correct, So that's going to include all 498 00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:00,640 of your standard household pets except like a goldfish. 499 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,519 Speaker 1: And let me quick mention to answer your question. Also, 500 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,160 for me, the number one issue would be as far 501 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,920 as garbage in garbage out have an excellent ratio of 502 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,359 green to brown material. 503 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,079 Speaker 2: Well, otherwise you're just not getting compost. You're just getting 504 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,519 rotting stuff. It's not actually turning into the nice brown, 505 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:23,799 crumbly compost. But so normally, I would say from household composts. 506 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:27,000 So we're talking about, you know, like your household trimmings 507 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,559 of vegetables and fruits and that kind of thing, leftover 508 00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:33,319 food scraps, you know, maybe some garden stuff that's going 509 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,279 to be just fine to put on pretty much anything. 510 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,480 You might want to be more sparing around plants that 511 00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,519 need good drainage, like a butterfly bush or something like that, 512 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,559 because it can hold quite a lot of moisture. Compost 513 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,519 is very rich. It's not soil, but it is an 514 00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:51,519 organic amendment. But yeah, if you are purchasing or composting 515 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:55,559 your own animal manure, so chicken, horse, cow, that kind 516 00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:58,720 of thing, goat, you do need to be very careful 517 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,920 because those can be very high in salts, and so 518 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,200 there's a lot of plants that are very sensitive to salt. Now, 519 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,960 salt is held in the ionic bond to the soil 520 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:12,000 particles very weakly, so that makes it very easy for 521 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:15,039 it to flush out through rain and irrigation and that 522 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,319 kind of thing, but some plants are naturally very susceptible 523 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:21,359 to that. Also, whether you're using home compost or animal compost, 524 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,599 make sure it's not hot. Definitely you can burn plants 525 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,720 that way. But for the most part, you know, compost 526 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,559 is just an organic amendment that is going to be 527 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,000 adding nitrogen and adding a moisture retaining kind of sponge 528 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:39,160 to the soil. So once you know that that what 529 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,839 it's actually doing is adding nitrogen and moisture retention, that 530 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,640 can kind of help you. You know, there's really no 531 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,839 plant that's like, whoa, I've got too much nitrogen, please stop. 532 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,839 There's some succulents that if they get excessive nitrogen their 533 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,720 leaves can kind of burst. But for the most part, 534 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,279 most plants are going to be like, I'll take all 535 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,759 the nitrogen you got, Like that's great, I'm gonna be green, 536 00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:02,599 I'm going to be healthy. There's some exceptions out there, 537 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,119 of course, and like I said, plants that need good 538 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,279 drainage you might want to avoid. But other than that, 539 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,000 I think that you're going to be just fine. I 540 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,480 don't think you need to worry about testing it or 541 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,640 anything like that. So yeah, just make sure you're putting 542 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:20,680 in genuinely compostable materials and you know, using it sparingly, 543 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,680 because you got to make that stuff stretch over a 544 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,400 lot of plants. For most of us, no one can 545 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,839 ever really have enough gombos. 546 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,599 Speaker 1: Oh, you're right, Hey, Stacy, we got a question from 547 00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,480 a YouTube viewer if you can, can you cover some 548 00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:35,640 transplanting tips and ways to harden off the plants so 549 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,359 they won't be shocked once they go into the garden. 550 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,960 Any rules of thumb. And I want to quickly say 551 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:46,440 I want to pile on. As far as your comment 552 00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,799 is concerned digging the hole to put the plant in, 553 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:53,200 I think that that's going to be the key issue 554 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:57,000 because what I see people do is surface water, and 555 00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,799 what you're going to want initially is good deep watering, 556 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:05,119 because when the plant goes outside, suddenly it's subjected to wind, 557 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,440 sun and transpiration takes place. And if you're just surface 558 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,799 watering or haven't properly prepared the soil as you described 559 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,920 in the previous segment, then you're going to have problems. 560 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,519 So I really believe that's a key to transplant. 561 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And you know, as far as hardening off goes, 562 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,680 that's also really important because when plants are going from 563 00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:32,160 the very protected environment of your home, even if you 564 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,440 put a fan on them like I do from my seedlings, 565 00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:36,839 even if you have light like I do for my seedlings, 566 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,400 the difference between that very protected environment and the outdoors 567 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,720 is substantial. So you really do want to introduce them 568 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,440 to those conditions gradually, because plants make different types of 569 00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:49,839 chlorophyll based on the light that they are getting, So 570 00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:53,759 once they start getting outdoors with that full unobstructed sun, 571 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:55,880 they're going to start making a different chlorophyll and they 572 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,960 need to do that slowly. They can't just be like whoa, 573 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,039 you know, shifting gears here. So I think it's very 574 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,519 important to harden off. And I would do that simply 575 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,039 by you know, trying to put them outside. Usually I'll 576 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,000 start on a weekend because you know, I've got a job, 577 00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:11,920 and just put them out for like a few hours 578 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,119 on Saturday morning, a few hours on Sunday morning, bring 579 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,240 them in, and then you know, Monday, after I get 580 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,039 home from work, put them out for a few more hours. Really, 581 00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,079 I don't think it tastes much more than a week, 582 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,319 but you definitely do want to introduce them gradually. And 583 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:28,119 as far as actually transplanting handling the plants, I've got 584 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:31,720 one very crucial tip. It does not get said enough. 585 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:37,559 Do not handle seedlings by this stem. If you break 586 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:40,319 the stem, there goes your plants. Like you have no 587 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,960 you no longer have that seedling. It's not going to 588 00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:46,799 rebranch or restart from the ground, So handle it from 589 00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,759 the foliage. It feels funny, you know, it feels a 590 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:52,160 little bit strange to try to do this, But either 591 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,880 handle it with like some sort of you know, butter 592 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,039 knife or spoon or something that supports the whole plant. 593 00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,599 Do not, as tempting as it is, pick it up. 594 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,720 That extremely delicates done because if you lose that, there 595 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,079 goes your seedlings. So just a couple of quick, little tips, 596 00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,480 but very important tips that if you follow, you will 597 00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:11,839 be successful. And I know it's seed starting season, or 598 00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:15,559 at least almost so for us here in Michigan, So 599 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,240 you keep that in mind if you are a transplanter 600 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,680 of seed. We're going to take a little break when 601 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,279 we come back. We are continuing our conversation on plans 602 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,039 that we have killed in which you could have beck. 603 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:33,960 So please stay tuned. Thanks for listening to the Gardening 604 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,559 Simplified Podcast, brought to you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. 605 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,519 Our award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and 606 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:43,720 tested by experts with your success in mind. Learn more 607 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:47,440 at Proven Winners color Choice dot com. 608 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:50,799 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Ben, there killed 609 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:53,200 that want it back? I've got a great little story 610 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,799 to share a moment with you. A number of years ago, 611 00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:59,599 in a community that I live in here in West 612 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:06,359 mishis a landscaper inadvertently cut down a tree that he 613 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,279 was not supposed to remove. Now, the reason he wasn't 614 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,160 supposed to remove the tree was because it was a 615 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:19,039 moon tree. On Apollo fourteen, Stuart Russo, one of the pilots, 616 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,799 he was the command module pilot, had taken a bunch 617 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:25,400 of seeds into space when he returned as part of 618 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,319 the nineteen seventy six bi centennial. These seeds were dispersed 619 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,200 to various communities and trees were planted. And this was 620 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,680 a beautiful tree. They cut it down. Oh no, so 621 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:40,079 I was involved with the community and the police department 622 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,440 there to come up with a direct descendant from this tree, 623 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:49,880 replant the tree and get it back. And to this day, 624 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,400 as a matter of fact, we have a picture for 625 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,839 our YouTube viewers of me by the tree. The tree 626 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,799 was put in the ground and regrown with lots of 627 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,960 circumstance and ceremony and that sort of thing. It's just 628 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,160 a sycamore tree, but a great story how we got 629 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:07,519 it back. 630 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:09,519 Speaker 2: Did you all have a big toast with. 631 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: Tang, Yes, yes we did. It was a great party. 632 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,199 I'll tell you what. It was fantastic. So you know 633 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,920 that was an experience for me. But we mentioned it 634 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,519 in the first segment Stacey, and that is along the 635 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:27,559 lines of this topic. I guess a lot of people 636 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,719 would relate to houseplants with Ben there killed that and 637 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,920 would like it back that emotion. I think about Kaalathia's 638 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:43,199 gardenias indoors but again a plant that loves humidity, ferns, diefenbakia, 639 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,559 succulents indoors orchids, all of those types of plants. And 640 00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,519 then for me where I live, similar to you, Stacy, 641 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,880 sandy soil here along the lake shore of Lake Michigan. 642 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,679 So plants like a stillby, I keep going back for more, 643 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,599 but I struggle with it. Ligularia like bottle rocket or 644 00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:10,840 tractor set, Jacob's ladder, Japanese iris or Siberian iris, ferns, 645 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,519 and a plant that you have touted, Stacey, and I 646 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,159 want it so bad, but I think I'm going to 647 00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:19,360 struggle with it. And that is a sugar shack button 648 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:19,760 boo oh. 649 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I tried that. Killed that. Yeah, but you know, 650 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,400 again that was too little water. And very often, you know, 651 00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:29,159 you start looking into how a plant where it grows naturally. 652 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,440 You know, button bush is a plant that grows directly 653 00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:35,920 into the banks of riversides and ponds and that kind 654 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,239 of thing, so it very often has its actual feet 655 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,000 in water. And once you learn that, then you can say, well, gee, 656 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:46,239 you know, my garden definitely does not have that much water. 657 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,639 But there are some plants that can adapt, you know, 658 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,480 red twig dogwood is a great example, also grows along 659 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:55,440 those river sides with its feet mostly in water. But 660 00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:57,599 it's a plant that, you know, once is established, is 661 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,280 actually quite drop tolerant and very very durable. So it's 662 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,400 not always a sure thing, you know, we try to 663 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,440 you know, with our plant tags, and I speak for 664 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,280 the entire horticulture industry when I say this, we try 665 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,119 to give you the best information that we can. But yeah, 666 00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:16,519 I mean sometimes you know, our reality is different than 667 00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:20,079 our imaginations, and and we want to try something or 668 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,880 think that you know, it will be okay, and it won't. 669 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,159 You know. The perennial that I have basically had to 670 00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:28,440 give up on is hugra as well as all the 671 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,559 ones that you just listed. Yeah, Oka Hugra is definitely 672 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:36,199 like my hugra attempting days are over. I've done it 673 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,239 long enough and it's just it's just not gonna happen 674 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,159 my garden. It's just too darn dry. But interestingly, there 675 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,199 are a number of ferns that I can grow quite successfully, okay, 676 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,760 and another plant that I haven't killed, so not quite 677 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,000 this exact storyline, but that I am surprised. And this 678 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,280 is why it's always worth trying. If you love a 679 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,320 plant is variegated Solomon seal. Oh. Yeah, that is a 680 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,320 plant that has seems to you know, if you had 681 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,760 just said, like, hey, do you think that you can 682 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,880 grow this in your very dry garden, I would say 683 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,119 probably not. But it just thrives and multiplies in my 684 00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,000 garden and is so so beautiful. You know, by the 685 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:14,880 end of the summer, if it's been a very dry summer, 686 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,760 it's definitely looking a little tired and brown. But that 687 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,159 just means it goes dormant and you know, yeah, I've 688 00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:22,599 got nothing for the last of the season, but comes 689 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:24,880 back next spring like it didn't miss a beat. So 690 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,440 that's why it's always worth trying. You never know. 691 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,079 Speaker 1: So there's a good lesson to be learned here, in 692 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,480 my opinion, and that is take a look at the 693 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,719 root system of the plant, because it's going to tell 694 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,440 you a lot. For example, I could take a day lily, 695 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,519 dig it up, throw it on the ground, and come 696 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,880 back a couple months later and plant it, and odds 697 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,880 are it's going to grow. Whereas if you look at 698 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,639 the example you mentioned earlier in the show and let's 699 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:54,320 touch on it rhododendrons, the root system is small proportionately 700 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,920 to the top of the plant, so you don't have 701 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,159 a lot of margin for error if you mess up 702 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:01,519 the foundation of the plant. 703 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,519 Speaker 2: That's true, and you know, I think that one thing 704 00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:05,719 that happens with people, the reason that they often kill 705 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,039 rhododendrons is very similar to what I also said earlier 706 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,480 in the show about ferns, which is that you know, 707 00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:13,599 when someone's purchasing it, all they see is that it's 708 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,320 shade tolerant, low light tolerant, and they think, we'll shoot. 709 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,519 I got some really low light in the north facing 710 00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:21,840 side of my house. This sounds like a perfect plant, 711 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,719 But what you don't know necessarily is that road dedendrons 712 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,639 absolutely need a moist, acidic, well drained soil. They cannot 713 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,639 tolerate drought, and they can't tolerate wet soil either. Correct 714 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,280 and there, yeah, there's plenty of situations where that already 715 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:43,280 exists where rhododendrons absolutely thrive, or there are also opportunities 716 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,400 to change your environment so that they do thrive. But 717 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,000 you are the one who really needs to kind of 718 00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:51,679 make that decision. And if you find that a rhododendron 719 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,440 did not do well for you in front of your 720 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,480 house or whatever that situation was, well, then that kind 721 00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,880 of makes you start to gives you more information to 722 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,800 a better decision for its replacement. You probably should not 723 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,039 just replace it with another rhododendron. 724 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: Very true, So we've learned a lesson. We're about to 725 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:17,000 enter into hanging basket season, and the hanging baskets that 726 00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,880 are purchased in May, like for Mother's Day. You know, 727 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,239 they've been carefully nurtured in a greenhouse. They're not root 728 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,559 bound yet. But then you put that ten inch plastic 729 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,920 basket out in the wind and the sun, and decline starts, 730 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,679 and by the fourth of July, the thing is a 731 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,840 distant memory. And so my whole point is I like 732 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,239 to view those ten inch hanging baskets, those plastic baskets 733 00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:47,199 simply as a delivery container, simply to the like the 734 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,880 bags that you get at the grocery store to move 735 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,599 the product home or to be able to give those 736 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:56,800 flowers to Mom on Mother's Day. But I'm big into 737 00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:01,679 upsizing hanging baskets, moving them into moss baskets, or if 738 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,039 it's a ten inch basket, move it to a twelve 739 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:07,800 inch container. Same thing in the landscape. I love using 740 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,880 containers in the landscape because you create this almost micro climate, 741 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,119 that is, even if the container is sunk into the landscape, 742 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,480 a micro climate that's kind of separate of the existing conditions, 743 00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:24,920 whether it's dry soil, clay, soil, wet soil, whatever it 744 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,519 may be. So again, I want to make that pointer 745 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:31,440 on hanging baskets. Love hanging baskets, So many great plants 746 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,199 to put in hanging baskets. I embrace it, but think 747 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,039 about it because if you kill it, you're going to 748 00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:41,199 want it back and maybe you can give it better 749 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,280 odds going into the summer season. 750 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:45,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true. And the other thing you have 751 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,440 to remember, and this is true with all plants that 752 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,079 you're purchasing new. They're coming from an environment where it 753 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,760 was literally someone's job to keep them moist, and that 754 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,440 is no longer the case. For it is now your responsibility. 755 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,320 You are not getting paid for it like the other 756 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,920 person was prior to purchasing it. And so yeah, like 757 00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:06,280 it doesn't mean you need to keep up that same 758 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,159 level of watering, but you definitely need to know that 759 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,559 you're going to have to help with this transition, just 760 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:14,880 like we were talking about with hardening off seedlings. 761 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,159 Speaker 1: Sure, and not only that, is there an individual to 762 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,400 keep an eye on them, but they have an automatic 763 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,159 irrigation system where it's simply dripping and feeding that plant 764 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,280 as it grows and it is happy and it's content, 765 00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:29,320 and you can get. 766 00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 2: A drip system for your hanging basket. So if you 767 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,679 are the kind of person who always buys your mom 768 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,199 a hanging basket for Mother's Day, maybe consider mixing it 769 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,280 up this year, helping her install a drip system for 770 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,960 hanging baskets and giving her a future full of hanging 771 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,920 baskets that she doesn't have to water. Because I've had 772 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,960 a drip system before. Ultimate and luxury, I tell you 773 00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:50,639 better than a fancy watch. 774 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: So along the lines a good point, say, I like 775 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,239 that idea. So along the lines have been there, killed it, 776 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,400 want it back. I'm on pins and needles. I know 777 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,639 a number of our viewers and listeners are too, because 778 00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:11,360 we've talked about Peruvian lily or Alstromeria and this past 779 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,320 year mine just gave incredible cut flowers throughout the summer 780 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:20,280 into fall. It was gorgeous. Now I want it back, 781 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,960 and it's supposed to come back, or at least be hearty, 782 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:28,239 and I'm thinking, after this polar vortex, I'm questioning, so 783 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,079 will I buy more? Absolutely, I'll buy more, but I'd 784 00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:33,119 like to see it come back. 785 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 2: You know, I would like to see it come back 786 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,039 to you. I'll be very interested to see what happens. 787 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,199 But I would also say that is a great case 788 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,280 for trying it again, because in this case, it was 789 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,360 not that you didn't have the right conditions. It's that 790 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,719 we had an exceptionally unusual winter for us here in 791 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,000 West Michigan, as well as I know for much of 792 00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,559 the country. So that would be another situation because like 793 00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:56,119 we said, it's really those first two years that where 794 00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:58,760 a plant can fail. So if you had an unusual 795 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,360 weather event that first season, you know, give it another 796 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,679 try another year and see if you can get it established, 797 00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,119 because once it's established, all bets are off. 798 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: Losing is not the opposite of winning exactly. It is 799 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,840 a part of winning. So let's get out there and 800 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,480 take some chances, folks. Thanks Stacey, Thanks Rick, Thanks Adriana, 801 00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,119 and thanks to you for watching us on YouTube, listening 802 00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:28,079 to our radio show, or downloading our podcast. Wherever you 803 00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:32,960 get your favorite podcasts, just look for the Gardening Simplified Show. 804 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:33,960 Have a great week.